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Hello Fellow Mongers.
I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.
How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?
Looking fwd for your inputs.
TIA.
-JizzyB.
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However, rather than asking the girl about it upfront, I generally don't bring it up. In many cases the girl never says a word about it and we proceed with BBFS. In other cases when she does ask for a condom, after getting more turned on and comfortable with me, including reassurances that I will pull out and don't have any STDs, I find they generally say it's okay without. The advantage to this approach is that I often get BBFS when it's possible the girl wouldn't have agreed to it upfront. Also, in a gogo environment (I know you avoid them) if the first girl rejects the proposal and then sees me barfine a second girl she could spread rumors about that girl not using protection. Given social dynamics among the girls, and fear of losing face, I could easily see a scenario where word spreads and I end up getting pseudo cockblocked. Of course, the downside of not discussing upfront is that there are obviously cases when the girl doesn't agree to BBFS in the end and I'm stuck with a condom. A fail.
[/QUOTE]This subject is one of the more interesting shop talks on here and I think it warrants a good deal of discussion. Like many things with a human element, it really is an Art more than a Science, so STEM career mongers or otherwise analytical types will miss a bit of the picture because there is so much that is interpretative and in the moment. The negotiation can be a kind of dance based on intuition and emotional intelligence.
The "go with the flow" is a valid technique, and actually it's one I do use occasionally- but only if the ST rate discussed is on the low side (1000 baht). Many girls on this end of the price curve are usually more receptive in general because they perceive their value as lower, and also if things go sideways, I'm not going to feel too bad about being out of 1000 baht.
Anything higher than this I will secure some sort of commitment, but the negotiation is often a dance around it, using the possibility as a bargaining chip, but also leaving it largely implied. If she says "you can do anything but finish in my mouth" I will take this as permission for CIP even though it is not explicit.
I wonder if you are worrying a bit much about the GoGo girl gossip gallery- they might keep track a little but about what another girl does what, but mostly they keep tabs on each other is who gets barfined the most, who gets barfined for the highest rate, and who gets barfined by hotter guys. I don't think condom / no condom is part of their intramural status score board.
[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2702045]
I'm curious to know your hit rate in Pattaya when negotiating BBFS upfront, that is, how often do girls agree, disagree, or only agree for extra $? And does this change substantially across environments (ex gentlemens clubs, bars, ThaiFriendly, etc.)? *As a side note, I've never used ThaiFriendly, but do agree that negotiating upfront makes sense in that context.
As an extension of this question, I'm also curious how often negotiating CIP is the blocker for you? In other words, how often do girls agree to BBFS but not CIP?
[/QUOTE]This is a good question but hard to answer definitively. I think the first thing you need to do is adopt an abundance mentality- that BBFSCIP is out there, and you are not lucky to get it. If a girl declines, there will be plenty more that do not decline. I feel the same way about my physical preferences and will filter specifically for petite, slim girls under 26 or so. A summary glance at my Thaifriendly to Line pipeline and it looks like ⅓ flat out reject no condom, ⅓ will but for an additional fee, and ⅓ are open to it or implied that anything is on the table. I think most of the time if you can't get BBFS, you should be able to at least get a BBBJ with CIM.
My feeling is that the girls that are most open to BBFS are either low volume girls who use TF intermittently or high volume girls who have just stopped caring. In the middle are girls who have realized it's a possible bargaining tool, and girls who simply will not because they are hot enough to get business without compromising.
From the perspective of the girl, a condom is just as much of a barrier to pleasure as for a man and if pleasure is her objective, she is more likely to allow it. That being said- most of these girls are in it for the money with a bit of pleasure on the side.
[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2702045]
Also, when discussing CIP do you ask if they're on birth control or do you assume if they agree to it they're using something?. I always pull out for fear of pregnancy so have never broached this subject, but in my experience when the girl doesn't say anything about needing to use a condom, she also doesn't say anything about needing to pull out, which I find sort of amazing. I've always assumed most Pattaya working girls are not using birth control, but perhaps I'm wrong and most do. I'm curious what you've encountered on this front.
[/QUOTE]I assume that if a girl allows CIP she is on the pill or has an estrogen implant or IUD. Personally I have been taking TRT for many years and my body no longer produces sperm as a result of this. It's not the same amount of testosterone that body builders (who are completely sterile) take, but it's enough to halt endogenous production, and a sample of my semen reveals no sperm swimming around. Supposedly this is reversible and if you discontinue therapy they come back in 3 months- but for the moment it's an effective male birth control mechanism.
From a female perspective, there are many risks to the profession, and as often happens once the risks are internalized, they are then accepted and forgotten. It's the same theory as people who live in dangerous fire prone or landslide prone areas who are usually less worried about catastrophe as people who live slightly out of these areas. If you opinion poll South Koreans, they are much less alarmed about impending doom from North Korean missile strikes than the rest of us, they have come to live with the risk. If a girl is constantly paralyzed by the fear of all the things could go wrong in what is truly a dangerous and hazardous profession, she simply would not be able to function- so much of it is just blocked out to get on with it- consequences to be dealt with down the road.
This is a great subject and I appreciate all the good faith views on it. I think I remember reading some great posts on it by senior member EihTooms (or some similar spelling). In the bad-faith column, cue all the pro-condom naysayers chipping in with the affected outrage NPC copy and paste and self-satisfied moral superiority- but I just let performative hysterics from the pantywringers slide off my back. As another poster has said- a stud does what he wants.
RS.
[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702285]Hello Fellow Mongers,
I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.
How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?
Looking fwd for your inputs.
TIA.
-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]Impossible to say, you need to read the forum and you might want to subscribe and read Pattaya Addicts too.
Do you want to stay in a cheap guesthouse, mid range hotel or fancy place?
Do you want to eat local food, mid priced farang food or go to expensive restaurants?
Are you a big drinker and like to buy girls overpriced lady drinks?
Would you be happy with a beach road girl, Soi 6, freelancer or only the prettiest go go girls?
Your budget could range from cheap Charlie to two week millionaire.
These are rhetorical questions BTW you need to research.
[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702285]Hello Fellow Mongers.
I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.
How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?
Looking fwd for your inputs.[/QUOTE]Looks like you are looking for someone else to plan a trip for you. Nobody here knows you or your likes or dislikes. This is ISG, not Ask Jeeves. You research, then come back and ask questions about specific things if you have any. You don't just come and say tell me where to go, when to go, what to do, and how much money to bring.
[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2701634]First time in Pattaya and dealing with local girls but was very inspired by the detailed reviews of RakSopheni.
Landed at BKK airport and took taxi to Pattaya which was 1 k for a nice comfortable ride. Online quotes were all 1500, so I feel like I got a decent deal.
Checked in to the hotel and activated premium on thaifriendly. Messaged 4 girls, told them what I want, 2 replied right away, one had bad attitude, one was very polite. Picked her and asked her to come to my hotel. She seems to know what she is doing, says she will come straight to my room and knows how to deal with the reception ID thing.
I like petite young girls just like RakSopheni and boy oh boy I wasn't disappointed. She had done a boob job which was the only drawback I saw on her. Anime face, slim skinny body and perfect smile. Walks in, takes a shower and jumps on me and starts making out, clothes go off and she gives me a pretty decent sloppy BBJ which was a bit toothy (I am spoiled by the perfect blowjobs from Brazil, so, nothing else gets close). Jumps on bed, rides me for 20 minutes, switched positions a few times every 5 minutes (her own routine, I just went with it), I am guessing she thought she can finish me off. Finally she starts panting and I said, let me get on top. Call me old school, nothing beats missionary (prone-bone is a close second for me) and we went at both of them until I was emptied. She stayed on bed and asked me about me, I told her I am new to Pattaya and she tells me a bunch of things I already know from reading the forum but I am glad she tried to help. Mentioned where to go for food, how to find girls, how to avoid trouble and the whole 9 yards. We cuddle and chit chat for a bit and she leaves.
I was impressed by how efficient even the hookers are in Pattaya. I've taken sim cards before in BKK and know that they get everything done in under a minute, but I started talking to this girl on thaifriendly and within 30 minutes from my first message, she is in my room making out with me. Someone tell the south American girls how it is done!
Question to the Seniors: Anyone tried any soapy massage places? I look on google and it says all the famous ones are all closed. Anyone's got any recent experiences they can share?[/QUOTE]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.
[QUOTE=JayJames;2702359]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.[/QUOTE]It's not so much about the activity per se. It s the chemistry between you and the girl you choose that makes the difference.
[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2702291]This subject is one of the more interesting shop talks on here and I think it warrants a good deal of discussion. Like many things with a human element, it really is an Art more than a Science, so STEM career mongers or otherwise analytical types will miss a bit of the picture because there is so much that is interpretative and in the moment. The negotiation can be a kind of dance based on intuition and emotional intelligence.
The "go with the flow" is a valid technique, and actually it's one I do use occasionally- but only if the ST rate discussed is on the low side (1000 baht). Many girls on this end of the price curve are usually more receptive in general because they perceive their value as lower, and also if things go sideways, I'm not going to feel too bad about being out of 1000 baht.
RS.[/QUOTE]Awesome reports by Daru and RS. Very helpful and encouraging on the Pattaya monger situation. Looking forward to getting out there in a few months. I'm personally the loner type and therefore don't like going to bars or gogos, as I don't drink either. So for me finding girls during the day or just when I am out and about and online is what works best for me.
As far as day time activities and things to do, there is a lot to do in Pattaya.
My typical daily routine is to workout in the morning and then go for a walk at the beach or at one of the malls and have coffee and lunch. I rarely eat breakfast, good way to keep weight off. Mid afternoon when it is blazing hot I stay in my room and prep for my session. I'm lightweight, I only session once a day. I top my evening / night off with dinner and watching Netflix. I also sneak in a massage most days as well, you can't beat a one hour massage for less than $10 including tip.
I find the days go by fast in Pattaya. Just walking around the town is enjoyable.
I haven't been to Pattaya since early 2019 and hope to spend more time doing activities in Pattaya this time as there are lots of little amusement parks and zoos to frequent. I prefer doing these types of activities with a girl. But the majority of the time I am riding solo in Thailand and love it.
Some comments on Pattaya:
I walked by the market west of Tukcom recently, and it was closed.
Soapies in Pattaya are closed, but I have seen signs that they will open soon, maybe June 1.
A personal note: my mamasan bargirlfriend sold her bar, and is now in the agency business, supplying ladies for whoever needs them. Yeah, it would be a good trick if I could convince her to let me try out the new girls to see if they are any good. But, it also means that I get daily updates on the management side of the bars.
Fly into to Bangkok and take bus to Pattaya. Stay at windmill motel in Pattaya in nakula. Spend a week in Pattaya, spending 8000 baht a day on women. This should get you a short time or two and an overnighter. Budgett another 1000 baht for misc.
Then go to Phuket. Plan a month there. Get a motel on soi tai died (sp). Budget 3000 baht for hotel for month and 3500 baht for Muay Thai training. Maybe 3000 baht a week for women. 200 baht a day for food, $75 US for motorbike for a month. Then head back to Pattaya for a week. Then bus to bkk then home.
Hope this helped. .
[QUOTE=JizzyB;2702285]Hello Fellow Mongers.
I'm planning on a trip to Thailand (BKK, Pattaya) hence looking for suggestions / recommendations on stay / food / night life and most importantly mongering.
How much damages should I expect? How many days to spend in each location? What places to visit?
Looking fwd for your inputs.
TIA.
-JizzyB.[/QUOTE]
RakSopheni.
Your ISG tag name is very clever. You mind if I translate for newer members?
[QUOTE=LoverBoy#2;2702578]RakSopheni.
Your ISG tag name is very clever. You mind if I translate for newer members?[/QUOTE]Haha. I knew somebody would get it. Yes, please enlighten them.
[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2702342]Impossible to say, you need to read the forum and you might want to subscribe and read Pattaya Addicts too.
Do you want to stay in a cheap guesthouse, mid range hotel or fancy place?
Do you want to eat local food, mid priced farang food or go to expensive restaurants?
Are you a big drinker and like to buy girls overpriced lady drinks?
Would you be happy with a beach road girl, Soi 6, freelancer or only the prettiest go go girls?
Your budget could range from cheap Charlie to two week millionaire.
These are rhetorical questions BTW you need to research.[/QUOTE]My future trips will be shorter. Soi 6 quality has nosedived so I will be weekend millionaire future trips and hit gogo. I was surprised how old the girls were in LK Metro. Some had nice bodies though.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2702556]Some comments on Pattaya:
I walked by the market west of Tukcom recently, and it was closed.
Soapies in Pattaya are closed, but I have seen signs that they will open soon, maybe June 1.
A personal note: my mamasan bargirlfriend sold her bar, and is now in the agency business, supplying ladies for whoever needs them. Yeah, it would be a good trick if I could convince her to let me try out the new girls to see if they are any good. But, it also means that I get daily updates on the management side of the bars.[/QUOTE]If your reference is to the market at the very end of Soi Buakhao / Pattaya Tai basically across from Tukcom the corner is a motorbike dealer. If we are talking about the same location it isn't closed!
A bit of history! This market used to operate on Tues and Fridays only there were a few along the road that did each day! The market was always a mess whenever it rained across was an area that basically sold second-hand stuff in the past worth taking a look next to that was an empty lot for motorbikes and cars to park while shopping for a charge. Several months ago the original market closed everything was moved across to where the bikes and cars were parked. I thought the old market the land had sold and something was going up but what happened the owner of the land fixed it up paved the lot with cement and put up a better covering it is today a much better market that is open 7 days a week!
There used to be a smaller market down near or across from the Temple that has been closed for some time mainly due to W. S.
As of last night, I went down Soi Honey and noticed if I'm correct Honey 1 is open, Songthaew parked with a bunch of Indians standing around lights were on at the entrance.
On Soi 21-22 just off Soi Baukhao forgot the name now that was still closed.
[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2702276]I'm always partial to the Wednesday / Thursday night block in any mongering city. The scene is up and running, the girls are there, but without the weekend crowd.[/QUOTE]Is it worth taking a day trip only from BKK? Specifically looking for young thin BBFSCIP daytime action with little to no interest in bars or clubs.
[QUOTE=JayJames;2702359]Well my suggestion don't try soapy in pattaya, thay are pricy and mechanical. However, soapy in Bangkok is awesome, kissbangkok group is amazing.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I had a few locals try and push me to places which generally have horrible reviews. My flight back is from BKK. I guess I can go a bit early and enjoy a soapy before I leave. I checked KissBangkok, prices are amazing compared to the closed Pattaya places like Honey 2 and Sabai Dee.