Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Haven123;1883823]FANTASTIC!

. I should have hit MiXX 2 nights earlier...totally my kind of place. Error on my part...my bad. But, now I know where to go...thanks to you. MIXX is hot, MIXX rocks and MiXX is a keeper for the future. :-)[/QUOTE]I am so happy you had fun at Mixx. I was a little worried that it may be a little too pro for your tastes, so I pushed Sugar over it initially. But I guess there are enough girls there that are less hardened.

And it was a Sunday night. Which is usually the slowest of the week for most clubs. So I think it may be even better on other nights.

Unlike Ibar (the world champion 555! , it may be better to be more proactive about finding a girl for the night in the 1 AM to 3 AM zone.

Great tip on the Karaoke place. Looks like a good place to score FLs after hours. Those prices they quoted were pretty good if the girls really were Coyotes. I will be looking for it next time I am in BKK and up at that hour.

I'll miss your daily reports and observation, my friend.

Godspeed and happy trials!

You. V.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883812]I find that what you wrote is mostly true, but not all or at least not completely. Let me clarify that my Thai experience of many years and many hundreds of thousands baht is only related to disco free-lancers, as I never visit go-go's and much less talk to Coyotes there (although I've been to some Coyote clubs, of the type where Thai guys go), however I still think there is much common behavior between the two when it come to chose a customer, as I will explain later.
[/QUOTE]Your views on freelancers at those venues are noted, and may be accurate. I cannot argue without experience.

I think its a bit like chalk and cheese. I am experienced mainly with hookers at gogos and the glorified ones, so called "Coyotes" but not really like Coyotes at the Thai clubs at all. Most are crappy dancers for example.

Sure some girls are looking for hot young handsome man. I did get knocked back by a girl on occasion preferring a young man, or sometimes preferring a Japanese. Sometimes the knock back could be purely that they have a regular customer possibly available. They aren't going to give the exact reasons.

And my early years at Thermae, the freelancers were sometimes very picky about the guy. They would not take just anyone. Perhaps they wanted money and some fun. Some girls were refusing plenty of guys and even leaving at closing time without a guy. I felt good because I was not getting the knockbacks. I was aged 35 at that time, but average looking I guess.

However I do see plenty of gogo girls liking very old fat guys that look far worse than me. I do see so called gogo club Coyotes very happy to go with an old guy of 60, if the guy is nice, accommodating and providing the money. She may not want to fuck him. That is another issue. One of the Coyotes at Mercury (an exceptional dancer against the trend) Noo Naa (also called Anna) fucked me okay She was a sex bomb and seemed to love fucking and had a lot of stamina. A somewhat crazy type of girl but very cute. Rumoured to have a Tomboy girlfriend but still loves fucking dick.

I think it is two totally different scenes, most likely.

I recognise my experience in bars is greatly biased by the fact that girls that don't want my type will obviously avoid me. Occasionally I have been hot for a girl but she is not interested at all. It happens rarely though. It's usually the other way round even though I am old and not so handsome. Coyotes are different. They come to me largely for drinks. Doesn't mean they want to fuck me. I have only ever fucked 2 or three "Coyotes" so the experience is very limited.

However lets just say that sure, that a lot of gogo girls are into older nice guys, not too stingy. It's the best way for them to make money not too stressed, and some old guys can fuck just fine, whether the girl is horny or not at all. Sometimes they don't care if the old guys can perform well or not, quite obviously.

In the end, the girl's statement that she wanted a good guy, and bad body was acceptable, does make sense, even if she deludes herself slightly about her money motives.

I get to go with a very hot bargirl Donut several times, prettier than most Cowboy Coyotes. Barfine in the normal range so no need for more expensive Coyote. She can have any guy she wants in the bar except for those requiring big tits, just about. She is happy to take me and even seems to enjoy the sex or is extremely good actress. She does say she likes sex. She is much preferring a "nice" guy, sometimes with a bad body. She was very happy with a fat middle aged guy, who was a doctor, that has 3 kids but whose wife was deceased, she told me. Very nice guys are appreciated. Her primary objective is not to search for young arrogant hunks. She has to make money to finance her Uni degree and also younger sister's school fees.

I have been to some discos like Insomnia, Bed Supper Club, Spicy (a horrible club), Shock something (even more horrible), have been to Bangkok Beat, etc., Nana Hotel disco, the one under Ambassador long ago. I probably need to try more up market clubs, since those I did not find that many girls that would have really interested me. Bangkok Beat talent was nothing special, didn't see any great bodies there. The disco under Ambassador was the only one I could say I had a really good time, the music no doubt better suited to my age. Too many years ago, now.

Maybe some girls were above average for pretty face. I generally do not like the music at the discos. It is not the songs of yesteryear. It's just noise and thumping. I am going to try some latin music venues, better suited to my age.

I am more a daytime or early evening monger. I rarely fuck after midnight.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1883835]I think it is two totally different scenes, most likely.[/QUOTE]I agree. The good thing is that one could play both games well, being smart and properly "mannered" is a global asset. Thanks for your insight!

Finally convinced the missus for a two day stop over in Bangkok for shopping before heading over to Samui.

Might have managed to convince her for a menage-e-trois with a lady also one night. Any leads or pointers to get things right and not mess up this opportunity.

Where to find pretty girls who'd be into couples and give us a great experience?

Cheers and thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883812]I find that what you wrote is mostly true, but not all or at least not completely. Let me clarify that my Thai experience of many years and many hundreds of thousands baht is limited to disco free-lancers, as I never visit go-go's and much less talk to Coyotes there (although I've been to some Coyote clubs, of the type where Thai guys go), however I still think there is much common behavior between the two when it come to chose a customer, as I will explain later.

First of all, with top young FLs (and even not so top sometime), [B]it's absolutely false that they will place a guy's attitude or money before age[/B]. The typical top FL will NOT give a guy past 40 yrs a chance to even come close (while of course the Coyote will be glad to extract a lady drink from pretty much anyone). This refusal is expressed in the usual ways, the first, of course, is never crossing looks. Be reassured they have seen you right away, the only time where a FL doesn't look much at men is when she has a customer already. The second, which happens if you insist looking or smiling to her, is resorting to a friend's help, they will quickly both glance at you pointing as needed (signal for you that a decision is coming), tell something to each other covering their mouths, then making bland faces or waving the hand a little to decline. Depending on the woman attitude and education it can be much worse than that, like disgusted faces, signs for you to move around etc. If she's alone she will put on a quick half-smile and start looking at her phone, or drink. All that within 10 seconds, she will not even know if you're drunk, smell bad, from which country etc. She made her decision already based on the guy age, and very distant second factor, looks. The other thing that they do when they want to be helpful is point to another friend, invariably the older, fatter or uglier one in the party. Now, for some it may be difficult to accept a refusal (come on, I came there with the best intention of the world, not having ever wronged any hooker, full of money, and this 100 dollars biatch turns me down? That is ridiculous!). But in fact it's the best news one could receive, as it's just saying "I'll spare you from wasting your money in a pitiful sexual experience". So I think one should appreciate that clear and honest message, my reaction however is not to smile or wai but just laugh it off and move on. I've seen men that are unable to accept this fact and usually it ends with a small scene, if you know what I mean.

That much for the 1st approach issue to a top / young FL, which of course isn't a problem with a beautiful Coyote, even if I've read that is not completely unusual to receive unfriendly treatment from them too. Now, of course you can convince or pay well enough a top Coyote, and even in some occasion a top / young FL, and from there we go to the 2nd part, which I think applies independently from your age or looks.

Then for the "good guy" and "I don't care if you old or ugly" part. [B]That you will be treated good if you are "good" (a very subjective definition), is largely a cliche'[/B]. The more real fact is that for a normal Thai hooker a "good guy" is simply someone that in short pays well and makes her work quick and easy, which defined as no complain or issue with any of the following: Empty stupid talking. Pre-coital smoking. Separate showers with her lasting 20 minutes. Towel roll parade and immediate slipping between bedsheets. Turn on TV. No kissing. Short, hand-aided BJ. "jep jep" to avoid deep pumping. And of course, quickly going for panties after the 1st shot "Oh no I never do LT", phone calls "friend have no keys". "you tip me more for taxi na?" Now, these are common defects of even very plain looking Thai women, of course top girls are not different, actually they can get away with that even more easily.

Now, again on challenges that an older guy has in finding a decent partner, one would think, hey, there must be plenty of great looking older women to chose from! Especially considering that with Asian women is difficult to tell their age, and they age nicely (another cliche') well, is not so. [B]There are many more hot or attractive young women available for sex than older ones of the same level[/B]. The reason is simple, the young ones are doing their best money in total freedom at the peak of their energies. But as they grow older they realize that working the disco or club every night is, after all, fatiguing. That the continuous drinking makes them fat. That changing men every night made them indifferent to sex and relationship. Some realize that in time, or just in time, marry or settle with a single provider or two in rotation, and are out of the main market. The ones that grasp to the nightlife are there for you to see them degrading night after night. Note I'm talking here about the top 5%, for all the others that aren't so lucky life is just what is and what they can make of it.

The result is that you see tons of older foreigners (and some young one too) towing women (or vice-versa) that I wouldn't do for free. Is it that bad? Yes at times it is and even before looking at the money side of it. But, if you work the large numbers, are good at screening, you may get lucky sometime. [B]But don't stress that you have to be "good" all the time. Be yourself and more specifically be the yourself that you want to be in Thailand[/B].

I have been lucky sometime, sometime it didn't lasted at all, sometime it did and went well beyond a paid relationship; doing this entertains myself, that's why I keep coming back and have no problem with anything of the above. These are part of the game, accept or stay home and jack-off.[/QUOTE]Very accurate description of what the BKK FL scene has turned into. Yes, that is what it is now, but that was not the way it was when I moved here in 99. Far from it. One of the reasons Thailand was my choice was seeing the older 60 year old dudes with some of the hottest gals. And yes, that was true, even in the discos. In fact, many of the better looking FLs would flock to the older guys as they had the most money to spend, being most were on fat expat packages or were retired with some money to spend. That all changed as the economy improved and there were more younger guys traveling. In 99 at 35 years old I was among the youngest dudes in the bars of the discos. Now the population of young urban douchebags has exploded in Bangkok, and has effected the FL P4 P scene greatly. In my mind making it far less desirable, especially for a 50 year old like myself.

I do disagree with your point on the age of FLs. I think the overall age has increased in the discos. A lot of 30 and early 40 something gals who think they are still just as hot at their age as they were at 25. I see a lot of younger dudes with the early 30's set. Amazing because I knew some of them when they were in their early 20's so they are not interesting to me. But the new guys on the block seem to have lower standards overall. I do see them with gals I would not touch with a ten foot pole.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1883844]I think the overall age has increased in the discos. A lot of 30 and early 40 something gals who think they are still just as hot at their age as they were at 25.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I was saying, at least here in Pattaya it's rare to see a late 30's early 40 gal which is objectively hot, only that. Of plain and straight ugly ones there is an industrial amount.

[quote]But the new guys on the block seem to have lower standards overall. I do see them with gals I would not touch with a ten foot pole.[/quote]
So true. Some justice served, hahaha!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1883844]But the new guys on the block seem to have lower standards overall. I do see them with gals I would not touch with a ten foot pole.[/QUOTE]I amazed by standards of bar customers too. They with let the ugliest girls with bad bodies sit on their lap. If a girl cats raunchy, suddenly she is considered hot, no matter how awful she looks to me.

Really young girls can look well below average as well. I am not blaming age. I know some 35 year olds that still look great, with and without babies. Unfortunate some girls are totally wrecked from child birth.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1883835]Your views on freelancers at those venues are noted, and may be accurate. I cannot argue without experience.

Sure some girls are looking for hot young handsome man. I did get knocked back by a girl on occasion preferring a young man, or sometimes preferring a Japanese. Sometimes the knock back could be purely that they have a regular customer possibly available. They aren't going to give the exact reasons.

And my early years at Thermae, the freelancers were sometimes very picky about the guy. They would not take just anyone. Perhaps they wanted money and some fun. Some girls were refusing plenty of guys and even leaving at closing time without a guy. I felt good because I was not getting the knockbacks. [/QUOTE]In March I had my mind set on a FL disco chick. We exchanged information. She was supposed to come over the next day but did not answer my messages. The next time that I saw her in the club she said that we would leave at 4:30. I waited and waited til the wee hours, and turns out she bullshitted me around. But she would always send me a message at 7 am saying she went home alone. I never saw her with any guys. Had me wondering if she was FL afterall.

Well since I left Thailand we would talk on Line sometimes. She told me that when I got back she would meet me at my room. This time true to her word, within 15 minutes of me getting to my place Saturday night she was there. She helped me clean and set my room up. And to top that off, she gave me one of the best sessions ever. She was happy for the 1200 baht the next day when I dropped her off. Now she will undoubtedly come whenever I call, but what her deal was a couple months ago I will never know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1883883]The next time that I saw her in the club she said that we would leave at 4:30. I waited and waited til the wee hours, and turns out she bullshitted me around. But she would always send me a message at 7 am saying she went home alone. I never saw her with any guys.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, I think she was jerking you around precisely because she sensed that you would allow it. These girls have a very keen sense guys are soft, their livelihood literally depends on it. Sometimes, they just jerk us around for an ego boost, just like women often do in the west.

If you're paying for it, you should be the one setting the terms, but that's easy to say and occasionally (when bedazzled by a girl) more difficult to do.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1883930]With all due respect, I think she was jerking you around precisely because she sensed that you would allow it. These girls have a very keen sense guys are soft, their livelihood literally depends on it. Sometimes, they just jerk us around for an ego boost, just like women often do in the west.

If you're paying for it, you should be the one setting the terms, but that's easy to say and occasionally (when bedazzled by a girl) more difficult to do.[/QUOTE]I think you haven't read much of the Pattaya forum to not know about Mr. E. attitude to Thai ladies (laugh). Not sure what it takes to bedazzle or give him the run-around but skin-contact drugs come to mind. So, your predicament may be right, but the recipient is wrong.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1883844]Very accurate description of what the BKK FL scene has turned into. Yes, that is what it is now, but that was not the way it was when I moved here in 99. Far from it. One of the reasons Thailand was my choice was seeing the older 60 year old dudes with some of the hottest gals. And yes, that was true, even in the discos. In fact, many of the better looking FLs would flock to the older guys as they had the most money to spend, being most were on fat expat packages or were retired with some money to spend. That all changed as the economy improved and there were more younger guys traveling. In 99 at 35 years old I was among the youngest dudes in the bars of the discos. Now the population of young urban douchebags has exploded in Bangkok, and has effected the FL P4 P scene greatly. In my mind making it far less desirable, especially for a 50 year old like myself.
[/QUOTE]Goatscrot hits all the right points. I remember coming to Bangkok in my late 20's and thinking there's no major advantage to being a young Farang in terms of girls. It was common to see so many couples with the old and decrepit Farang guy and a hot (or at least reasonably fresh looking) Thai woman in her 20's. It was a heart-warming sight and I thought I could surely count on being that guy in my 60's.

Unfortunately, times have changed, most reasonable looking FLs these days are those who worked the scene 10 years ago and didn't quit in time. Needless to say, their looks didn't improve, but worse yet, the price went up and attitude down. The scene is still limping on, but I shudder to think what it'll be like in 2025 if current trends continue.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1883883]In March I had my mind set on a FL disco chick. We exchanged information. She was supposed to come over the next day but did not answer my messages. The next time that I saw her in the club she said that we would leave at 4:30. I waited and waited til the wee hours, and turns out she bullshitted me around. But she would always send me a message at 7 am saying she went home alone. I never saw her with any guys. Had me wondering if she was FL afterall.

Well since I left Thailand we would talk on Line sometimes. She told me that when I got back she would meet me at my room. This time true to her word, within 15 minutes of me getting to my place Saturday night she was there. She helped me clean and set my room up. And to top that off, she gave me one of the best sessions ever. She was happy for the 1200 baht the next day when I dropped her off. Now she will undoubtedly come whenever I call, but what her deal was a couple months ago I will never know.[/QUOTE]Great report Mr E!

I am glad you got your girl.

Patience, persistence and smarts are rewarded in the end. We can all (especially yours truly) learn from this.

The guy who said she had you "wrapped around her finger" does not know who the hell he is talking to. 555.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1883812]These are part of the game, accept or stay home and jack-off.[/QUOTE]Words to live by. It is a game after all, don't take it seriously, enjoy it for what its worth. You repeat with a girl a few times and she points out that her necklace is broken or points to her finger and asks for a gold ring or starts complaining that your fucking her too much, time to change rides is all.

Yesterday was in 3 bars in Nana Plaza. Billboard was checked again as advised to by another poster a few weeks back.

First up Suckers, just to visit Oom, ex No. 91 from Crazy House. My assessment is this is a really shit bar, including many ladyboys and many silicone jobs, and a few nose jobs. Oom was best girl easily. Very small number 54 had good body but face not quite pretty enough. Girls are often too lazy to dance.

Very late went to Mercury. Got a chance to chat to super pretty Coyote Palm before closing time. She is very special looking. She showed me her picks of a fashion show doing some runway modelling. Always in high demand by the customers. For gogo girls, Noi has great body and one or two others are acceptable, but mostly fatties. Other Coyotes Naam and Faai also look good. Music is good at Mercury. That helps to have fun.

Arrived Billboard about midnight. I was surprised. Billboard had been a pretty dead bar last time visited possibly as much as 2 years ago. Now was pretty vibrant. Circulating stage with a lot of Coyotes and just a few Gogo girls. Quite a number of customers but certainly not packed out. Some customers dancing a bit having a good time. Also the "Ap Naam" soapy bathing area, with maybe 10 girls in the suds topless. Some of those girls have very nice tits (I only saw one bad silicone job). Maybe two or three have faces moderately pretty. I feel sorry for these "soapy" girls. They seem to have to stay there for very long times, unless some guy calls them out. I did not see any actually get called out of there. May have happened earlier.

For the Coyotes and gogos section, I thought several girls had really great bodies (without being able to check the covered tits properly). As for face beauty, that was much tougher to find, due to rather dim lighting in the place. Most girls with the stunning body did not have the stunning face as well. Overall standard for prettiness was a bit weak. Really pretty Coyotes should still be there at midnight, given barfines are higher (I assume). Pretty gogo girls would have been BFed already by midnight and same goes for the soap suds girls. I really need to come back and assess the line up at 9 PM on a Friday or Saturday. However overall impression was that this may well be the best bar in Nana Plaza, without having checked all the others very recently. Its a time since visited Angel Witch and Spankies and all the Rainbows. I can say it was most appealing bar I have seen in Nana. I did not like Bangkok Bunnies, nor Suckers, and Mandarin bars recently were really dreary.

I did not find the really pretty girl at Billboard, but you have to be damn lucky after midnight. Also I was not hanging out at the young girl soap suds area. I probably would not get one of the pretty ones at Crazy House either at that time. However Billboard is worth followup and has possibilities. I could take a stunning body and compromise on the face.

Overall Billboard had very few fatties, if any, only noticed one bad silicone job, probably not so many nose jobs (hard to tell in dim lighting), no ladyboys (I guess). Some staff there known from Crazy House. The fat cheating mamasan that was fired from Crazy House, was probably also fired from Mercury due to money issues, and now is at Billboard unfortunately. I would need to stay well clear of her. Another gay man type mamasan at Billboard came from CH. He (dark skin and chubby) is quite acceptable to me (no problems with him at CH). The odd gogo girl I also recognised as ex CH.

The Billboard Coyotes are not as pretty as the best Coyotes at Mercury. Coyotes can't dance like proper Coyotes anyway, for the most part. Was one exception previously at Mercury but she moved on now. So when we say Nana Plaza (and Cowboy) has Coyotes, we generally mean girls dressed in Coyote like outfits, being the multi layer hard or padded bra, and the cutoff short shorts. There are hardly any that can dance Coyote style, and many are too lazy to, as well.

I am a bored by Crazy House now, except days when my special girls are there. I can get bored by any of these bars if there is no special girl to pull me there. The bar itself matters very little, unless music is really bad or staff are really irritating.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1884163] So when we say Nana Plaza (and Cowboy) has Coyotes, we generally mean girls dressed in Coyote like outfits, being the multi layer hard or padded bra, and the cutoff short shorts. There are hardly any that can dance Coyote style, and many are too lazy to, as well.[/QUOTE]Nice report (as usual)! Very informative, thansk for posting.

The Coyote thing is such a crock! Ruining the gogo scene. And I hate the god damn movie that inspired. Fucking feminist propaganda in disguise.

I am always curious about Rainbow as they have a good track record for lookers. But the girls there can be unenthusiastic. But, as far as I remember, at least they don't use Coyotes. I hope this hasn't changed. It's been over a year since I last checked the place.