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I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:

1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.

2. Outcall escort agency.

3. G Club lady.

4. Freelancer from a high end bar.

5. Sideline girl from website.

6. Coyote from Go go bar.

7. High end massage lady.

Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1898706]I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:

1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.

2. Outcall escort agency.

[b]3. G Club lady.[/b]

4. Freelancer from a high end bar.

5. Sideline girl from website.

6. Coyote from Go go bar.

7. High end massage lady.

Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.[/QUOTE]G Club lady. Assuming they let a farang in and she wants to go with you.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1897763]Excellent analysis and I could not agree more. Sadly so many punters just take what they get from the gals, even if it was far less than promised, and they still pay the agreed upon rate. Whether it is fear or pity it really harms the scene. Honestly, is there any other service you purchase where people would find this acceptable? I really think not. But again, when it involves the penis, thought tends to go out the window. Most punters are very uncomfortable expressing their displeasure to a P4 P gal.[/QUOTE]Agree on customers not willing to express dissatisfaction with service. That said there are customers who take advantage and girls who do not deliver as promised. Hard to say which is more prevalent or how frequent either happens. Providers not meeting expectations is quite often down to a lack of communication between parties not agreeing in some detail what boxes she is willing to tick. For obvious reasons younger girls are significantly more likely to disappoint both in skill set and attitude making it all the more important to have a conversation with management about what service you expect and whether she is willing to provide it.

Talking to owners and managers over the years it was relatively rare that customers did not pay as agreed but it's true to say this is an increasing phenomenon driven in part by the increasing number of South Asian customers. Is this the reason for the trend to upfront payment or is there an ulterior motive involving the ladies not wanting to work so hard on providing what the customer expects?. I suspect it is more the former.

Upfront payments which were always the norm at soapies, is increasingly the norm at oilies and is starting to creep in at go go's. The effect of this change on service / performance is difficult to quantify. Some will say the lady is more at ease knowing there will be no issues about payment and so delivers a better experience while other contend being paid she cares little about satisfying her customer. I am of the opinion that P4P ladies develop a set routine over a period and that upfront versus pay later has little effect on their performance. More important is her mood on the day, hygiene and the illusive oft cited chemistry alongside the attitude of owner / management. If you are not asked on the way out "how was it" chances are neither really cares.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1898741]G Club lady. Assuming they let a farang in and she wants to go with you.[/QUOTE]I have been to many G clubs in Bangkok. There is never an issue getting it but not easy to get past the I only drink with customers and never go outside. 50% say they never go outside, even for 10-20 K. Thanks for your advice, this is my 3rd choice but will move up if more members suggest it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1898622]Actually, Syz, my position and what I am pretty sure Goatscrot was agreeing with here (in fact, I see that he says it outright in his previous post) is not what you stated at all. If you re-examine my posts on the issue as closely as a bargirl's nose, I think you will see that my position is that I suspect guys not paying girls who DID what the customer asked of them, did not bullshit him in the bar and then stiff him in the room or did not suddenly go Jeykll & Hyde on him, bargirls who are essentially "honest" bargirls is rare. If guys stiffing the scammers who make a living saying "yes" to many things in the bar that they fully intend to say "no" to in the room after Lady Drinks and barfines have been paid or girls whose attitudes and interest in participation falls dramatically during that short walk or taxi ride from bar to hotel is becoming less and less rare, then I would be delighted to hear that. That's the way it should be and it would be much better for the honest bargirls, the venues and the customers.

To be more blunt, if guys not paying is becoming less and less rare, I think that speaks volumes about what the modern crop of bargirls considers worthy of payment and they might want to reassess their work habits..[/QUOTE]I was there several times in April / May and this gogo bar is the worst ripoff bar I have ever visited. The management there directs the women to entice lady drinks from the customers and leave ASAP after gulping down the lady drink. The gogo girls did it time after time w / me and a few times I refused to pay for the LD. On another occasion the waitress picked up my beer to see how much was left. (they do this in aggressive sucker bars BKK).

BTW I don't drink slow, I drink them faster than most others yet the management has the idiot waitresses constantly roaming the bar picking up SMLs. So there is 1/4 of my beer left, she says, you need another beer, I say I'm still drinking that one. A minute later she is hassling the guy next to me to buy a drink and suddenly knocks my beer on my lap (crotch). She says sorry, now do you want another SML? I exploded on her, I was so angry at this point. I then told her to bring me a free one, which she did.

The Crazy House has the hottest gogo dancers, yes they do. These gogo dancers do what they're told to do and that is rip off as many suckers as they can and they do. The CH management does not have a high opinion of it's customers plain and simple. The odds of you getting screwed there are high, the odds of you having a good time fucking a CH dancer are low.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1898508]Their job is to try to extract as much money from you as possible Syz. This includes playing to your emotions and trying to convince you that you are one of the "good guys. " It's a game to them. Many punters believe that they are in the know and are immune from being gamed. We are all prey if we choose to be. I would imagine that very few gals get stiffed by punters unless they are not delivering what they agreed upon.[/QUOTE]Yeh yeh. Imagine. Even famous Tulip superstars reported getting stiffed despite the super level of service provided by them. Some guys just wanted a free fuck and they took it. Was also common at Soapies where thai customers did not pay, especially if they were friends of the boss they thought they could take advantage.

If you can't imagine that happening, good for you.

I don't assume girls always make up stories
unless I can see a good reason for it. When I am already a regular customer there is little purpose to bullshiiting me. Even I undertsand their job can be shit at times doesn't change anything.

Increases my respect for bargirls who have a much greater ability to refuse customers when they don't like the customer. The really stunning girls have it easy. There maybe 3 or 4 possible customers. The girl can make a beeline for her regular customer that she likes OK and not risk the more arrogant aggresive or undesirable customer for whatever reason.

Sure I ynderstand a guy's desire not to pay till he gets the agreed service. I have sent girls packing without fucking them on a rare occasion and for sure I did not pay too. However I am not pre negotiating all the services down to the last detail.

My biggest source of disappoint is always the dick scared
girls which is too hard to predict in advance. 2nd most frequent problem is lack of kissing or weak kissing. However I don't believe i have the right to withhold payment simply because of crap kissing.

3rd problem, less common, is just that girl is a starfish type. Can't negotiate away from this issue.

Sometimes you just feel that the girl and yourself don't go together right. This could be related to dick scared. Some girls make it so easy to fuck them and some do not. Can I decide not to pay because girl wasn't the easiest to fuck? I think not.

Many girls are not negotiating an amount before I take them. Even the most stunning girl from Crazy House when I first met her. I am sure a friend told her I am OK. It is assumed I pay fairly being a regular. I don't have to pay in advance as am trusted.

Those who are not trusted may have to pay in advance. So I do have the power to pay less to a bargirl if she was really crap. I exercise the power carefully. I do pay different anounts for different girls and different sessions depending on her levels and how hard she had to work and her overall quality and taking into account if I want to repeat or not.

Its only Soapies and some Oilies where I have had to pay in advance, since years ago. I got used to it. I am not paying in advance in bars. So far I have not missed out due to this?

It was Thais failing to pay in Soapies that first started the change to pay in advance, I am sure.

In my first soapy, I had no clue how much should pay the girl for sex and could not speak the language with her at all. Had only small cash with me at the time and no credit cards with me as arrived there unexpectly during an exercise walk. That was 32 years ago. I did not even know in advance what the service was and that she would be naked. Got a full expert Thai massage after the bath. It was torture. Much better idea to make sex.

Let's make this simple and easy to underside. The golden rule to mongering is never ever ever pay in advance unless you want to get screwed out of the time you negotiated. You may have a good session, but she will bolt 100% after you finish. Don't expect LT, even if it was promised. She will come up with an excuse she has to go. Room mate forgot her key, sick mother, emergency at home, or even a fake period. The only place I agree to pay upfront is Sephan Kwai since it's so reasonable, there is no LT service, plus it's mandatory. However, the ladies know if they mess around I will go right back to the bar and get their share of the money back. It gets deducted from their salary. Only one time this happened to me and this was the result. I'm also a good tipper for good service so the ladies know they will lose. In all farang establishments there is no need to pay upfront and in all my years of mongering in China, Thailand, and the Philipines, I have never been asked to pay upfront other than a bar fine, in a farang bar. By the way, Sephan Kwai has no bar fine and there are some real stunners. Freelancers who ask for money upfront will not only bolt early on a LT session, but may also bolt even before you finish with the same excuses.

I don't really understand the sometimes heated conversation about paying upfront. There are reasons why from the girl's perspective it's considered necessary and also good reasons why from the customer's perspective it has inherent problems. . It is was it is but there is choice. If one doesn't want to pay in advance there are lots of situations where you don't have to. Stick to those and after being reasonable if you don't get what you were promised don't pay. End of story. No need to cast all girls as being scam artists which after over 15 years experience here I can tell you they are not.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1898944]I don't really understand the sometimes heated conversation about paying upfront. There are reasons why from the girl's perspective it's considered necessary and also good reasons why from the customer's perspective it has inherent problems. . It is was it is but there is choice. If one doesn't want to pay in advance there are lots of situations where you don't have to. Stick to those and after being reasonable if you don't get what you were promised don't pay. End of story. No need to cast all girls as being scam artists which after over 15 years experience here I can tell you they are not.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. There is no standard rule. Rather there are situations where it is normal to pay at the end, in which case if a girl asks for the money at the beginning of the session there may be trouble. But there are other situations where it is normal, whether we would prefer it or not, to pay at the beginning. One of my best sessions was with a girl at a Patpong bar where as a matter of course they required payment in advance. Sure, I could have been burned, but I wasn't. The best advice is where it is normal to pay at the end, pay at the end. Where for whatever reason it is required that one pay in advance, consider paying in advance if all the other signals from the girl are positive. Of course, in the latter situation there are no guarantees, but there really never are.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1898858]Let's make this simple and easy to underside. The golden rule to mongering is never ever ever pay in advance unless you want to get screwed out of the time you negotiated. You may have a good session, but she will bolt 100% after you finish. Don't expect LT, even if it was promised. She will come up with an excuse she has to go. Room mate forgot her key, sick mother, emergency at home, or even a fake period. The only place I agree to pay upfront is Sephan Kwai since it's so reasonable, there is no LT service, plus it's mandatory. However, the ladies know if they mess around I will go right back to the bar and get their share of the money back. It gets deducted from their salary. Only one time this happened to me and this was the result. I'm also a good tipper for good service so the ladies know they will lose. In all farang establishments there is no need to pay upfront and in all my years of mongering in China, Thailand, and the Philipines, I have never been asked to pay upfront other than a bar fine, in a farang bar. By the way, Sephan Kwai has no bar fine and there are some real stunners. Freelancers who ask for money upfront will not only bolt early on a LT session, but may also bolt even before you finish with the same excuses.[/QUOTE]This is a very good advice especially for newbies, not necessary for those who is new to monger, but also for those experienced guy who just arrived a new country, town or even a new spot. Each place may have its own rules, habits, routines. It is nice to know the routine when you arrive at a new place.

Thank you so much for the info.

Jb.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1898706]

1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.

2. Outcall escort agency.

3. G Club lady.

4. Freelancer from a high end bar.

5. Sideline girl from website.

6. Coyote from Go go bar.

7. High end massage lady.

Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.[/QUOTE]Here's an option you might try: The Four Seasons (now the Anantara Siam), or some other high end hotel that is off the beaten path, and find someone in their lounge areas. I was walking past Ratchadamri BTS one night a couple of years ago and saw the most stunning woman ever. Very pale skin, long straight, perfect hair, slim legs, early twenties, super model-like face, dressed in a one-piece blue dress (very classy, not slutty at all). She was a few feet ahead of me, and I enjoyed those few minutes of the walk very much. She walked into the Four Seasons, and I assumed she was a high end escort. But I walked in after her, just curious to see what the hotel was like, and she walked into a bar / lounge area and sat down and ordered a drink. There were 4-5 other women like her (not quite as stunning, mind you), and a couple of elderly, obviously very well-off gentlemen. It seems the 1% have their own little playgrounds.

But if it were really me, I would take my 10,000 baht and go to Mixx or some place like that and just spend time looking very carefully at exactly the woman I want. Especially at Mixx, there are some real stunners, and you can see them quite well in there. I would scope them out, make sure they are not with a guy already, and once I made my decision, I would make a move for them, and knowing that I had 10,000 baht in my pocket, I would be certain that I would land whoever I want.

And I personally would avoid the coyote girl from a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=JudeBright;1898950]This is a very good advice especially for newbies, not necessary for those who is new to monger, but also for those experienced guy who just arrived a new country, town or even a new spot. Each place may have its own rules, habits, routines. It is nice to know the routine when you arrive at a new place.

Thank you so much for the info.

Jb.[/QUOTE]You always pay upfront at Soapies. But I have been short changed at 2. One was in Patpong and she was in such a hurry that she used cold water and suggest that the heater device was in need of repair. She just kept talking and going thru the motions. The whole event was not more than 1/2 hour. When she was finished she asked for a tip and escorted me to a stair and door that led to the street and not the lobby. Wham bam thank you farang, Patpong has always and will continue to be the biggest ripoff in BKK.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1899014]You always pay upfront at Soapies. But I have been short changed at 2. One was in Patpong and she was in such a hurry that she used cold water and suggest that the heater device was in need of repair. She just kept talking and going thru the motions. The whole event was not more than 1/2 hour. When she was finished she asked for a tip and escorted me to a stair and door that led to the street and not the lobby. Wham bam thank you farang, Patpong has always and will continue to be the biggest ripoff in BKK.
[/QUOTE]Sheesh, sorry to hear about that. Patpong sucks. The very first time I came to LOS, back in the early 1990's, I fell for the old upstairs-drink scam at a Patpong Ffffucking show place. The fucking show was ok, but then the drinks tab came to 2300 baht. It was me and two of my friends, and we all had soft drinks that night. It got a little rough, actually, and the touts forcibly frisked us for all our money. Luckily, as things were about to get dicey, I recognized the issue, and somehow managed to move all my cash (the entirety of my 5000 baht mongering budget, actually) into my sock. We ended up paying 300 baht (more than we should have), but we also got out with most of our money. Since then, I avoid Patpong like the plague. And so I am not surprised one bit by this story.

Your larger point is well taken though. At massage places and soapies, you do pay ahead of time and take a little bit of a risk. But you have a place to go if the service is that bad. You can always go back to the front desk and complain. Not sure anything would happen, but you do have recourse. I think the real concern is with FL girls, as well as gogo bars. To go back to a gogo bar when a girl does not perform is a pain in the ass, and unlikely to happen that very night, so it makes pre-paying particularly bad.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1898706]I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:
[/QUOTE]Couple of options:

Side-liners at the bigger Soapies -- many are models and have the magazine spread to prove it. I had one at Long Beach years back and she was 9/10, fair skinned, even GFE for the 90 minutes, 1 shot only, making money to build her dream house in Chiang Mai. Cost was B6 K, sure same type much higher these days.

Backpage is another -- once you make contact, ask for real not just stock photos. Personally I rather view in person and select, YMMV.

Third is local friend who has contact with private university type girls...my local GM referred me to one, again some years back. $6K also, 8/10, spoken english and very young....

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1898706]I am looking for the opinion of some of you regarding this. If you wanted to spend 10,000 Baht for an encounter with a white skinned model type of provider, where would you source from or who would you choose? Some options I'm thinking of are the following:

1. Model Freelancer from We Chat or other chat app.

2. Outcall escort agency.

3. G Club lady.

4. Freelancer from a high end bar.

5. Sideline girl from website.

6. Coyote from Go go bar.

7. High end massage lady.

Please let me know which option you feel would be the best or if another option is available. P.S. Please don't comment if you are going to refer to being too expensive and so on. I'm looking for a high end model encounter only. This thread is no place for cheap Charlie's so please refrain from commenting if you fall into this category. No offence intended.[/QUOTE]A refreshing discussion amidst all the conspiracy theories and scam artists and customers who stiff working girls and managers begging for digits.

Personally I would pick #4. Simply because I like the hunt. I also agree with Kumbu about the lounge bars inside top end hotels.

And like Kumbu, I would never pick a coyote from a GoGo bar.