Moscow

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Moscow is very different from Kiev. Before of all, there is no [b]professional[/b] prostitutes...[/QUOTE]

I agree, they are no professional at all, they are totally GFE in most of cases :D

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]C'mon Acon. That's ridiculous.

99% of the salons are cheating and dangerous? More like 99% are completely safe.
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I wholehandedly agree with the good doctor. Maybe I don't have a GREAT time during every visit to a salon, but 95% of the time, it's good. That's assuming you do your research and go to a reputable place. Same goes for CF/BH/HD. Be super clear with the girl about your expectations (time, number of pops, services and so on), and you'll rarely be disappointed. I'm not saying it won't happen (especially at NF, which is notorious for girls who underdeliver), but it should be the exception rather than the rule.

As for Kiev vs Moscow, my general feeling is that p4p options are a bit different between the two, but more-or-less equivalent in price/performance. That said, Kiev beats Moscow in terms of freebie action, even though things have improved here in Moscow during the [i]kreesis[/i]. Dyevs in Kiev just seem so... [b]desperate[/b]. I love it!

[QUOTE=Flexxx Yap]I saw Julia on these sites :

[url]http://www.girl-directory.com/russia-escort.php?ID=16570[/url] and
[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url]

Several months ago and after several letters decided to invite her to my hotel when I am in Moscow. The price was too much and I aksed for a small discount, she immediately agreed.

When the woman went into my room it seemed to me that her face was strained and tired, looked like she had had several customers before me. Her hair smelled not fresh as well, under the eyes there were bruises- I could imagine that shehad been working intensely.

She stopped being more or less friendly after she got her 250 euro. Also on the telephone I didn't feel that so much, but she had terrible accent that was hard to understand, so after some short time I just stopped trying to make some kind of conversation and decided to get to the process. She was not against, immediately went to the bathroom.

Before tried to torture me with the question if I had a shower or not, but so far she was one hour late I explained it to her several times that I had enough time to get cleaned. When she went to the bathroom I wondered why she was so persistent about my going to the bathroom, may be to steal something and leave. It could be like this as the continuation was just even worse. The beginning was just frustrating, but I decided to go on, just wondered how far these girls can go.

So when she came from the bathroom and I put a way the towel she was holding, I discovered that she has not tits at all! Where are the tits, I was thinking trying to get my Brother act or move, also she was fat, the ass looked miserable. I lied down thinking that after such a fake as her site and the photos on the site she could at least be more active to work out the money she took from me. She began to perform something that could be oral in a rubber, without initiative and nearly dyeing. I understood that there will be no use in all these and decided to finish with the meeting, took her from behind and tried from the back helping my brother with the hand, She was absolutely dry and squeezed my legs with hers in the way for me not to be able to go deep. I was on the edge of throwing her out of my room exactly at this moment but kept myself from doing it, try not to be rude with women whoever they are.

After unsuccessful attempts of getting what I have paid for, I asked her for message. She tried to show that she is performing a kind of message, that was in fact pinching me with her cold hands. I asked to stop, she looking unsatisfied and lied down as though waiting when I let her go home. Also want to add that the telephone was ringing all the time until I asked her to switch it off. I was again as angry as I wanted to throw her out of my room and in fact that was what I did.

I took her bag and threw it to the door demanding to return 150 euro, explaining that instead of a young happy escort girl from the photos I got an old tired street prostitute that can hardly speak English and is not able to perform anything for the money that took from me. I saw that it made some effect, at least she understood, she looked frightened, took the bag and disappeared in the bathroom. I confirmed my intention to take my money back telling her that I could ask for a guards of the hotel (that I would never do) and tell him that she stole some things from me. I was so angry that was ready for this!

Looked like she also didn't want a scandal as was a frequent visitor of the hotel. She came out of the bathroom, put 150 euro on the table and silently went away.

I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.

The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.

[url]http://www.escort24h.net/escorts/gallery/Julia2.html[/url]

[url]http://www.sexyindependentescorts.com/list/listing-independent-552.html[/url][/QUOTE]Found several more photos of this fake provider!

Hey Harlei,

I applaud you on your ability to reclaim most of your money from this tramp, but this is your third post already on the same girl/episode. I understand that this forum's format isn't ideal and posts often get ignored/overlooked after a week or so, but no sense in beating a dead horse (or wh0re in this case :) ).

The main thing to remember here is... if you arrange for выезд (out-call), and the girl isn't to your liking or expectations, have the good sense to SEND HER AWAY IMMEDIATELY. Same with a salon or apartment -- if you were expecting slim, perky-titted, model-faced teen "Masha" and find only fat, weathered and/or ugly goblins in her place, don't hesitate for a second to turn on your heels and head back to the podyezd. Really - there's no reason to feel guilty about it. If these girls are stupid enough to misrepresent themselves, then they have it coming. That said, I'm always a polite gentleman when doing it - which is more than they likely deserve.

[QUOTE=Harlei]
Looked like she also didn't want a scandal as was a frequent visitor of the hotel. She came out of the bathroom, put 150 euro on the table and silently went away.

I have never had such a disgusting escort experience as that! Instead of a girl from the photo I had a cheap shabby bold *****, who is in her late 30ies.

The photos resemble her, but in reality she is fatter with no bust much older and more simple.
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Hi, Guys.

Here are links to some inexpensive and girl-friendly hotels near Moscow center.

Maxima Panorama - metro Avtozavodskaya, rooms from 2100rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/maxima_panorama.html[/url]

Ulanskaya - metro Chistye Prudy, Turgenevskaya, rooms from 5850rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/ulanskaya.html[/url]

Medea - metro Paveletskaya, Novokuznetskaya, rooms from 6500rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/medea.html[/url]

Mandarin - metro Krasnoselskaya, a bit ourside Garden Ring, but rooms from 3500rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/the_mandarin.html[/url]

Ibis - metro Paveletskaya, rooms from 3500rub [url]http://vmoskvy.ru/hotel/ibis.html[/url] .

Also on this site they write about secial offers sometimes, so this can be useful to ask.

Thanks for the list and links Helena!

How's business by the way?

In the last messages, people wrote everything and the opposite of everything.

If you like Moscow, OK Moscow is for your tastes!

About professional prostitutes, Harlei has just reported an (bad) experience about that. The question is: how many customers had bad experiences and couldn't talk about those?

About danger in brothels, you need just to think in an adult way (not as children looking for the marmalade). If a foreigner goes alone to a brothel and he finds three or more prostitutes (and sometimes there is a real bodyguard escorting from/to the door), what can he do if a prostitute (often) cheats him for a lot of money (crisis? where?)? Can he complain??? He has just lost his money, and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard. Moreover he risks to be stolen of everything. And he can't phone police because police is corrupted. Therefore it is wise to invite prostitutes in our hotel or flat. This is just a hint to avoid a lot of troubles. And I never had troubles with hotels. If necessary, negotiate and bribe for the hotel staff.

About GFE, there is a real GFE when you get everything, and everything is everything, from karoleski miniet (Russian pronounce) to vaginal fisting by a young and beautiful woman. For a plain pussy fucking, there is no sense to go abroad.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]what can he do if a prostitute (often) cheats him for a lot of money (crisis? where?)? Can he complain??? He has just lost his money, and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard. Moreover he risks to be stolen of everything. And he can't phone police because police is corrupted.[/QUOTE]Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your heart it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid...

Oh yes, yes: that is real life, and when that happens, there is no solution for the trouble, and that happens periodically. This is an informational forum, and not a self-erotic chit chat.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Paranoia strikes deep,

Into your heart it will creep.

It starts when you're always afraid...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]...and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard....[/QUOTE]

Well by prostitutes it seems a bit difficult :D

Bodyguard has no reasons at all to beat a customer that behave well and honestly never had the feeling of no safety in private apts in Moscow....imho.

Never tried three angry prostitutes with their one-inch finger-nails in your eyes?

And you forgot, with prostitutes, honesty is a pure philosophical abstraction.

[QUOTE=Lukasek]Well by prostitutes it seems a bit difficult :D

Bodyguard has no reasons at all to beat a customer that behave well and honestly never had the feeling of no safety in private apts in Moscow....imho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Never tried three angry prostitutes with their one-inch finger-nails in your eyes?[/QUOTE]Aco,

I think your paranoia needs to be refuted, because this [b]is[/b] an informational board and there are a lot of guys out there who come here for advice and I don't want them to think that anything like what you are describing has ever happened in Moscow.

I have personally been in more than a few salons, massage parlors and private apartments in Moscow and I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles the kind of belligerent behavior that you are describing. I think that my experience is typical. I imagine that most of the guys here, who have experience in Moscow, would confirm that. This is your own personal perspective on the world and you do not speak for anyone else.

From your posts, it seems that you are a belligerent kind of person, in general. You approach the world with a combative frame of mind. So, it is no wonder that if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. But your experience is unique to yourself and it does not necessarily represent what anyone else may find in Moscow, or anywhere else.

Stravinsky, you forgot:

- you speak Russian (very well, don't you?), and Russians can identify you as one of theirs;

- when people talk about prostitutes (women asking presents, money or anything else), people talk about a business only: nobody can be successful in a business with a naive approach. And further: no men can be successful in any relationship with a woman with a naive approach.

I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.

And that is not paranoia, instead that is cold statistics. In my first time in Moscow, I met 40 prostitutes selected from Internet sites, brothels and night clubs. I found just one only advertisement with real pictures, nice girl but not young, I fucked her anally (all, all indeed, women like that in the ass!), but sex was in general without passion and quite expensive (like any other thing in central Moscow). I went to a lot of brothels in central Moscow, and with my disappointment, prostitutes doubled prices when they understood I am a foreigner, I fucked one only young and sweet girl in a brothel, but before payment she said "yes, yes, yes" and after payment she said "no, no, no", I complained with her and her colleague, but they put me on the door, and many other stories, about your "famous" night clubs too.

As I am an experienced monger, I can report "Moscow doesn't deserve an (expensive) travel for sex" with no doubts.

How to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Aco,

I think your paranoia needs to be refuted, because this [b]is[/b] an informational board and there are a lot of guys out there who come here for advice and I don't want them to think that anything like what you are describing has ever happened in Moscow.

I have personally been in more than a few salons, massage parlors and private apartments in Moscow and I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles the kind of belligerent behavior that you are describing. I think that my experience is typical. I imagine that most of the guys here, who have experience in Moscow, would confirm that. This is your own personal perspective on the world and you do not speak for anyone else.

From your posts, it seems that you are a belligerent kind of person, in general. You approach the world with a combative frame of mind. So, it is no wonder that if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. But your experience is unique to yourself and it does not necessarily represent what anyone else may find in Moscow, or anywhere else.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, couldn't resist not inserting myself into this little spat.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]
you speak Russian (very well, don't you?), and Russians can identify you as one of theirs
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Haha! I don't think [i]anyone[/i] in Moscow would mistake Stravinsky for Russian! Hope you don't take offense to that, Strav, but it's the Gods-honest truth.

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I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.
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Modest, too. I'm impressed.

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[i]General bitching about the Moscow p4p scene redacted.[/i]

As I am an experienced monger, I can report "Moscow doesn't deserve an (expensive) travel for sex" with no doubts.

How to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?[/QUOTE]

Herein lies the key to your disappointment, friend-o. You're expecting that young, attractive pros will accommodate your fetishes (swallow BJs and fisting) at bargain rates. NFW. Not in Moscow, and most likely, not anywhere - at least anywhere I've engaged in p4p: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, Philippians, US, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany, Greece...

First off, with rare exception, salons (at least in Moscow) are CBJ only. Tolerate it, despise it, avoid it like the plague... that's just the way it is. As for swallowing - well, I can't say that I've had a single pro here do it. Ironically, offers of BBFS seem to be more common. That said, almost [b]all[/b] my freebie girls have swallowed without my even asking. Might be an avenue for you to consider. Second, girls able to take a guy's fist are usually... how to so it nicely... a bit [i]older[/i]. Finding a beautiful, young, big-titted dyev able to take a guy's fist [i]at any price[/i] will prove to be a challenge. That said, I have found one. Read my posts carefully, and you'll discover who, and where you can find her.

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]C'mon Acon. That's ridiculous.

99% of the salons are cheating and dangerous? More like 99% are completely safe.

Kiev vs. Moscow is another story, the cities are less alike than one might think, both with their positive and negative sides.[/QUOTE]

I was once often going to a salon at the end of Arbat, not far from the ministry. After some time the owner/manager was even chit chatting with me and the girls were doing their best services… including anal and BBBJ, it is not in their interest to be too stupid.

The Gotika thing is really strange I was reading the report today… I never went out for such things…

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