Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1660365]Grownman,



Doing the big aggressive group will have limitations as you travel the DR.

When I was very young, me and my boys would be hanging out and I learned then that if I hang back from the group I could pull girls easier as most girls were scared of the group. My boys were so caught up with being macho that they never figured out my strategy. Later they would pull me aside and ask why I always seem to get girls easy and I would just say that I'm lucky. Same strategy applies in the DR grasshopper.[/QUOTE]I agree it was my group. Though we are not the Sosua for a week group. When you have people with a lot of things going on and they rideout with you- plans change to accommodate them. That's why I called those particular mongers to Nagua. They all expressed interest in Nagua to me. Except for GhostFaceKiller aka Mr E. He is subject to just be in the area. Parkinson and I were ideal. He was so hype he went hunting there without me MF. I envy his ass riding solo only having to deal with himself. I am kicking my regulars roaddogs to the curb this round because if I tell them - 3 more are going to want to come. I will Try to be solo or perferably a wingman that understand the basics. Nagua is no Sosua or BC and that why I going. I have connections in ST, LR, LV and Las T that I haven't got to because I have been riding with a group. I put the blame mostly on me because I like to see people having a good time. I watch my peeps back like a G so its easy to hang.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1660480]Grownman you should just cut out the middleman and head straight into Haiti!! LOL.[/QUOTE]Shit that place is depressing and I like my Spanish twist in the mix!

I am not looking for a wife and they know it. So the most I expect is friendly understanding. This can happen if you play your cards right. If meet a girl who is cool let her know you like her and be.

Sincere.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1660557]Guys use to say the samething to me. It must be me, when the same bullshit happens to my wingmen. This is why alot of guys stay with a select few chicks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1659793]A lot of girls will walk up like they are your long lost lover when you only asked them where the bathroom was. I had one cute young thing who looked like she was carrying a little one and was still on the stroll. I had bought her a beer on my last trip. She tried to latch on me like I was a life boat.[/QUOTE]There's even competition for the tour guides. Hard to get rid of them too.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1660365]Grownman,

I love your search of new places for adventure.

Also when you roll solo or with a wingman make it about enjoying the culture and the pussy will find you. Pussy is as easy as crossing the street in the DR.


Doing the big aggressive group will have limitations as you travel the DR.


.[/QUOTE]All good words for the guy's traveling through the DR.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1660785]All good words for the guy's traveling through the DR.[/QUOTE]Grownman,

Is a smart dude, I've enjoyed his growth on this board. Merry Christmas to all my ISG brothers, may you have safe travels in 2015.

I am coming to the DR with 3 friends. This may be a mistake as I usually prefer the lone wolf roll. One of my boys is a new widow and has never been on the ground at Sosua. He is a big fan of tenderronnies. The other guys have been in country buy are still newbies. I refus3 e to baby sit. Having friends along is a two edge sword. It can be fun hanging out but having a posse can limit your options.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1660785]All good words for the guy's traveling through the DR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1660822]I am coming to the DR with 3 friends. One of my boys is a new widow and has never been on the ground at Sosua. The other guys have been in country buy are still newbies. I refus3 e to baby sit.[/QUOTE]And yet you are coming with 3 newbies. Sounds like the beginning of my trip report. How can you not end up babysitting!

I tend to be gracious but on vacation it is more about me. I will not let showing them a good time deter me from my enjoyment. I am spending to much time and money for a half ass time.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1660849]And yet you are coming with 3 newbies. Sounds like the beginning of my trip report. How can you not end up babysitting![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1660822]I am coming to the DR with 3 friends. This may be a mistake as I usually prefer the lone wolf roll. One of my boys is a new widow and has never been on the ground at Sosua. He is a big fan of tenderronnies. The other guys have been in country buy are still newbies. I refus3 e to baby sit. Having friends along is a two edge sword. It can be fun hanging out but having a posse can limit your options.[/QUOTE]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? I know its a stupid question because I can assume that most guys on this board goes mongering alone. Anytime I left the country I always had a WingMan, I don't think I can ever travel alone.

I think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is alot of downtime. Also maybe I'm somewhat of a quiet anti social personal, and it takes me a while to open up to new people.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1660849]And yet you are coming with 3 newbies. Sounds like the beginning of my trip report. How can you not end up babysitting![/QUOTE]Grownman I told you about a buddy of mine who I go to strip clubs with. He thinks nothing of spending multiple $30 per song for lap dances to chase and eventually bang the strippers, for up to $300 in the VIP room (mostly blonde chicks with plastic tits at so-called gentlemen's clubs). All the while I've been telling him about a place in the hood where I got good pussy for $50.

I gave him a brief trip report last week. Now he wants to do DR with me. I'm thinking, biattch, you won't even drive the 10 miles into the hood with me, how are we going to be on the same page 1400 miles away in a foreign country? Some people you just got to leave at home.

Oh, and then there's a dude whose parents are actually Dominicans (he's American-born). I gave him a lot of Intel before he went on his trip with his other friend. He hardly used any of it. Despite speaking the language and all, he was so chicken shit about driving in the DR, afraid of getting robbed, afraid of this and that he just planted his ass at the all-inclusive resort. I told him afterwards you must be afraid of pussy.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1661241]Grownman I told you about a buddy of mine who I go to strip clubs with. He thinks nothing of spending multiple $30 per song for lap dances to chase and eventually bang the strippers, for up to $300 in the VIP room (mostly blonde chicks with plastic tits at so-called gentlemen's clubs). All the while I've been telling him about a place in the hood where I got good pussy for $50.

I gave him a brief trip report last week. Now he wants to do DR with me. I'm thinking, biattch, you won't even drive the 10 miles into the hood with me, how are we going to be on the same page 1400 miles away in a foreign country? Some people you just got to leave at home.

Oh, and then there's a dude whose parents are actually Dominicans (he's American-born). I gave him a lot of Intel before he went on his trip with his other friend. He hardly used any of it. Despite speaking the language and all, he was so chicken shit about driving in the DR, afraid of getting robbed, afraid of this and that he just planted his ass at the all-inclusive resort. I told him afterwards you must be afraid of pussy.[/QUOTE]There is no hope for guys like your friend who can not appreciate good pussy for $50 in USA and realize what a bargain it is. But everybody is different. I always appreciate good service and very happy to give a good tip at the end. I am always ready to get good pussy and service anytime anywhere.

I love being on my own. Not having to answer to anyone else. I don; t look over my shoulder to much. I have never been bored in the DR. I have so many things to do. I rarely have time to rest.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? I know its a stupid question because I can assume that most guys on this board goes mongering alone. Anytime I left the country I always had a WingMan, I don't think I can ever travel alone.

I Think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is alot of downtime. Also maybe I'm somewhat of a quiet anti social personal, and it takes me a while to open up to new people.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Sosua next month for the first time and was wondering how you guys deal with chicas who start kicking up a fuss over money, time and refusing to leave etc. Is it wise to get the hotel staff or police involved or do you just pay up to get them out? Even if it was more than what you had agreed to?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1661268]I love being on my own. Not having to answer to anyone else. I don; t look over my shoulder to much. I have never been bored in the DR. I have so many things to do. I rarely have time to rest.[/QUOTE]I agree and have traveled to several countries including the DR solo. Just takes some research and a sense of adventure to have a great vacation. Some wingmen tend to slow me down and like to complain about too many things, some of my most enjoyable and productive trips have been solo.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? I know its a stupid question because I can assume that most guys on this board goes mongering alone. Anytime I left the country I always had a WingMan, I don't think I can ever travel alone.

I Think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is alot of downtime. Also maybe I'm somewhat of a quiet anti social personal, and it takes me a while to open up to new people.[/QUOTE]Some people prefer to have a wingman, some prefer large groups, and some prefer to go alone. When it comes to mongering, I prefer alone. If I have a wingman, it may require some coordination with certain things such as taking a girl back to the room etc. And during the daytime perhaps he might want to do something else other than going to the beach or look for chicas in the daytime. I always feel more comfortable mongering alone, but I definitely don't mind meeting up with a fellow mongerer and checking out the scene. It usually leads to good conversation, it also leads to knowing info that one may not have been aware of previously. The only time I ever feel a little "strange" is when arriving at the airport and immigration seeing all my DR stamps. However, they usually don't say anything and if they do they simply ask why am I visiting DR (work or pleasure). Traveling alone gives you more privacy, can give you more control of the overall trip, and you can feel a little more at ease. With that said, if you are traveling alone to a country you have never been to. It can be a little nerve-wracking the first time. Always best to read up on recent trip reports, find out any info on security issues, and take necessary precautions. And enjoy the trip.

The very first time I traveled to DR, I had a wingman. While it was still a good initial trip, all my trips after that where I've been alone have been much better.

[QUOTE=Patnut;1661270]Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Sosua next month for the first time and was wondering how you guys deal with chicas who start kicking up a fuss over money, time and refusing to leave etc. Is it wise to get the hotel staff or police involved or do you just pay up to get them out? Even if it was more than what you had agreed to?[/QUOTE]For someone who is not good when it comes to problems that occurs after sex and the chica does a 180 on you here's what I suggest. Prior to you entering your room pull out your phone and record agreement with the chica before you enter your room on video. The front lobby is a good place. Take that video secure it in your safe before you have sex with her. Then if any problems and the police comes pull out your video and show the agreed amount and time. If she shorts you your time you short her money and stay strong do not give in. Please do not pull out your video until the police arrived you might have a Maoli who will swing on you or try to break the phone. A lot of chicas are your best friends until you get them in your room and the whole attitude change. Your best defense is prior to her coming in your room so take advantage.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1661241]Grownman I told you about a buddy of mine who I go to strip clubs with. He thinks nothing of spending multiple $30 per song for lap dances to chase and eventually bang the strippers, for up to $300 in the VIP room (mostly blonde chicks with plastic tits at so-called gentlemen's clubs). All the while I've been telling him about a place in the hood where I got good pussy for $50.

I gave him a brief trip report last week. Now he wants to do DR with me. I'm thinking, biattch, you won't even drive the 10 miles into the hood with me, how are we going to be on the same page 1400 miles away in a foreign country? Some people you just got to leave at home.

Oh, and then there's a dude whose parents are actually Dominicans (he's American-born). I gave him a lot of Intel before he went on his trip with his other friend. He hardly used any of it. Despite speaking the language and all, he was so chicken shit about driving in the DR, afraid of getting robbed, afraid of this and that he just planted his ass at the all-inclusive resort. I told him afterwards you must be afraid of pussy.[/QUOTE]I have an excellent idea. Why don't you have your 2 friends took up with Olkool. The Lone Wolf is rolling with a pack of hyenas. Some on their first hunt. Two more newbies shouldn't cause a problem. LOL Olkool I can't wait to read about this adventure.

[QUOTE=Patnut;1661270]Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Sosua next month for the first time and was wondering how you guys deal with chicas who start kicking up a fuss over money, time and refusing to leave etc. Is it wise to get the hotel staff or police involved or do you just pay up to get them out? Even if it was more than what you had agreed to?[/QUOTE]Unless you are in the secret service, you should throw her out All joking aside, the girls check-in at the front desk with their I. The. At most hotels and therefore if you have any trouble just call the front desk. That said, Sosua is pretty well oiled machine so if you discuss / settle on pricing before getting to your room, there shouldn't be any trouble.

Regards,

[QUOTE=Patnut;1661270]Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Sosua next month for the first time and was wondering how you guys deal with chicas who start kicking up a fuss over money, time and refusing to leave etc. Is it wise to get the hotel staff or police involved or do you just pay up to get them out? Even if it was more than what you had agreed to?[/QUOTE]If you are in Sosua you may consider spending the extra 600 pesos to go to Dulce Secreto or 400 pesos to go to Bar Central Hotel. Dulce Secreto will require a moto or other vehicle to get to because it is in the Playa Chikita area of Sosua but it has much nicer accommodations than Bar Central Hotel which is a dump. Bar Central is on the strip and in walking distance of Rumbas and Classicos. Short time hotels (cabanas) are good testing areas for chicas because if there is a problem it is easier to walk out of a cabana than deal with a trouble chica in your hotel room. After the second or 3rd time you can bring them to your room. I realize this is a pain in the ass but it is an option that is available. Another point if you have a bad vibe from a chica it is a good idea not to take her and move on to the next but that reality is there is no fool proof method because chicas in Sosua are often like chameleons.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1661268]I love being on my own. Not having to answer to anyone else. I don; t look over my shoulder to much. I have never been bored in the DR. I have so many things to do. I rarely have time to rest.[/QUOTE]I am with OldKool I generally fly solo therefore I can glide with the wind.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? [/QUOTE]Can't beat it.

I have several good friends but I cannot think of one of them travelling with whom would enhance my trip. Great to be free to chop and change your plans as and when you like without having to consult anyone else.

If you are an active member of the "working girl boards" you can always find guys to hang with for as long or short-time as you wish, then move off alone, or more likely with a new chica on your arm, without giving offence or letting anyone down. And I know all my friends feel the same.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]
I think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is a lot of downtime.
[/QUOTE]Dr Johnson said, "Sir, when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life. " Quite true, but equally true of Sosua, Medellin, Mombasa, Pattaya, etc. , and the pussy is a lot cheaper in those places than in London. (Though maybe not in Dr Johnson's time, when you could get a pox-raddled working girl and a bottle of gin for a groat and still have a penny left to buy a prime seat at a public hanging).

If someone is bored in Sosua there is something wrong with him. It means he has no internal resources. If you are tired of fucking, eating and drinking, gossiping with other mongers, swimming or other sporting pursuits, you can start learning or improving your Spanish or Haitian Kreyol, or help out with the many charitable efforts doing good work. Another seven lifetimes would not suffice for me to do all the things I want to do. I know what depression and frustration are, but not boredom.

Why should there ever be "downtime"? Every day mongers start out with a list of things to do and chicas to do, and go to bed only having achieved half of them. Your vacation here costs a lot of money. Why would you want to waste money on downtime? "Rest time" is good and necessary to enjoy your trip, and only you know the amount of rest you need, but not "downtime".

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1661320]Unless you are in the secret service, you should throw her out All joking aside, the girls check-in at the front desk with their I. The. At most hotels and therefore if you have any trouble just call the front desk. That said, Sosua is pretty well oiled machine so if you discuss / settle on pricing before getting to your room, there shouldn't be any trouble.

Regards,[/QUOTE]LOL yeah right.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1661321]If you are in Sosua you may consider spending the extra 600 pesos to go to Dulce Secreto or 400 pesos to go to Bar Central Hotel. Dulce Secreto will require a moto or other vehicle to get to because it is in the Playa Chikita area of Sosua but it has much nicer accommodations than Bar Central Hotel which is a dump. Bar Central is on the strip and in walking distance of Rumbas and Classicos. Short time hotels (cabanas) are good testing areas for chicas because if there is a problem it is easier to walk out of a cabana than deal with a trouble chica in your hotel room. After the second or 3rd time you can bring them to your room. I realize this is a pain in the ass but it is an option that is available. Another point if you have a bad vibe from a chica it is a good idea not to take her and move on to the next but that reality is there is no fool proof method because chicas in Sosua are often like chameleons.[/QUOTE]Unless I am very far away from my hotel; I do not see the need for buying another room. Even after I buy the $40 motel room and I don't do the major upgrades like some others. I average 10 to 20 chica everytime I go to the DR. About half of them are new and that will mean about 4000 to 6000 pesos extra. I will admit I am cheap and watching my pesos. I understand the extra money saves a lot of headaches but I rather take my chances on my initial interviews.

[QUOTE=Patnut;1661270]Hi guys,

I will be travelling to Sosua next month for the first time and was wondering how you guys deal with chicas who start kicking up a fuss over money, time and refusing to leave etc. Is it wise to get the hotel staff or police involved or do you just pay up to get them out? Even if it was more than what you had agreed to?[/QUOTE]You have been given some great info so far Sir. I know you must be excited and scared at the same time but that's normal. I'm going to give you some pointers but understand that if you don't later give you brothers a trip report they will know you failed in Sosua and had to fall back to FOD.

1). Never tell a Chica it's your virgin visit, they will think they hit the lottery.

2). Take a two hour intro walk around Sosua so that you will have the feel of the place and not that lost newbie look.

3). Understand the "newbie network " is already looking for you with a bounty for any girl that gets you to pay over 5000 p.

4). Take a iPod loaded with music so you can ignore all the street hustles spouting bullshit.

5). Make sure the change guy shows you on his calculator the breakdown of the deal.

6). Keep you big bills in one front pocket and your little bills in the other front pocket. Never go in the big bill pocket unless you are alone. Leave the big wallet in the safe and put the photocopy of your passport in your back pocket. Also have a backup photocopy.

7). Don't be scared to say no.

8). Don't buy girls a drink until you are ready to fuck and doing the final interview.

9). Don't prepay. If she asks for this end negotiating because she has no respect for you.

Looking for your report Sir.

Well said Charles.

If one gets lonely in Sosua (or most other mongering locales), there are plenty of fellow mongers around to hang with.

To your list of activities in Sosua, I'd add Kite- and Wind Surfing. Reputed to be some of the best in the World. And if you don't have energy for something that demanding, you can always sit on the beach and read a book.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1661268]I love being on my own. Not having to answer to anyone else. I don; t look over my shoulder to much. I have never been bored in the DR. I have so many things to do. I rarely have time to rest.[/QUOTE]I agree with Old Kool here. I travel alone all the time and I have a ball especially when I'm traveling for mongering purposes. When I'm on a monger trip I either want to do it alone or with someone who I know is a legit monger. Someone who I know can do their own thing at any given time or even for the whole trip. In most of the com one mongering locations it's not hard to meet fellow brethren if you ever just want to hang out, kick back, and talk shit with a like minded individual.

[QUOTE=Sexmetv;1661320]That said, Sosua is pretty well oiled machine so if you discuss / settle on pricing before getting to your room, there shouldn't be any trouble.[/QUOTE]Which Sosua have you been to? I think you are in the wrong thread.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? I know its a stupid question because I can assume that most guys on this board goes mongering alone. Anytime I left the country I always had a WingMan, I don't think I can ever travel alone.

I Think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is alot of downtime. Also maybe I'm somewhat of a quiet anti social personal, and it takes me a while to open up to new people.[/QUOTE]I couldn't imagine traveling on a monger adventure with friends.

I see these guys at NG or VH in crews of a dozen and more and I don't get it. I know its fun to hang with your buddies and shit but when I am hunting for 21 year old pussy I am like a puma and not a wolf in a pack. I'm not saying one way is better than the other but how do you guys focus when you are surrounded by the whole frat?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1661353]I couldn't imagine traveling on a monger adventure with friends.

I see these guys at NG or VH in crews of a dozen and more and I don't get it. I know its fun to hang with your buddies and shit but when I am hunting for 21 year old pussy I am like a puma and not a wolf in a pack. I'm not saying one way is better than the other but how do you guys focus when you are surrounded by the whole frat?[/QUOTE]Every time I go to Sosua it's by myself but I've spoken to some of those groups and it's a different dynamic all together they run trains watch each other then take turns on them like say you would in a real frat. I sometimes join those groups when I'm out in rumba not really interested in looking for company and fill like interacting its not that hard really. Like a puma?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1661311]For someone who is not good when it comes to problems that occurs after sex and the chica does a 180 on you here's what I suggest. Prior to you entering your room pull out your phone and record agreement with the chica before you enter your room on video. The front lobby is a good place. Take that video secure it in your safe before you have sex with her. Then if any problems and the police comes pull out your video and show the agreed amount and time. If she shorts you your time you short her money and stay strong do not give in. Please do not pull out your video until the police arrived you might have a Maoli who will swing on you or try to break the phone. A lot of chicas are your best friends until you get them in your room and the whole attitude change. Your best defense is prior to her coming in your room so take advantage.[/QUOTE]In addition you could have the Chica sign a contract with list of services to be performed before entering the room. You could have a checklist with little boxes for services to be performed such as BBBJ, BBBJCIM, ANAL, including time allotments to be allowed for each activity.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1661424]In addition you could have the Chica sign a contract with list of services to be performed before entering the room. You could have a checklist with little boxes for services to be performed such as BBBJ, BBBJCIM, ANAL, including time allotments to be allowed for each activity.[/QUOTE]Excellent idea, but make sure it is in triplicate with a legally certified translation into Spanish, and that the chica's signature is witnessed by two independent Dominican citizens.

I have been to the DR over 12 times and I still pick a bad apple every now and then. My suggestion is just say fuck it so what if you get A loon. It may cost you a 1000 pesos more. No big deal. One piece of advice. If the girl is the aggressor you may be the prey. Most of the girls in Sosua are very decent. Most will ask for moto money when they leave but if they did their part why not. In closing you pick the girls and feel them out Never be puhed to take any chica. If she has to push you to bang her you did not want here.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1661432]Excellent idea, but make sure it is in triplicate with a legally certified translation into Spanish, and that the chica's signature is witnessed by two independent Dominican citizens.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1661432]Excellent idea, but make sure it is in triplicate with a legally certified translation into Spanish, and that the chica's signature is witnessed by two independent Dominican citizens.[/QUOTE]Yeah then make her write her mother's maiden name, her last place of employment, a fingerprint, get a DNA sample and get her panties for collateral. I can see it right now - excuse me ma'am can you witness me and this puta agreement to suck my cock and let me jam her in the ass. too bad you can't get Judge Judy or Mathis.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1660816]Grownman,

Is a smart dude, I've enjoyed his growth on this board. Merry Christmas to all my ISG brothers, may you have safe travels in 2015.[/QUOTE]Yes I also enjoy reading his post.

When traveling through the DR it is best to keep a low profile and not be to loud. The campo people are afraid of most new people and when you are in large groups it makes this worse. I have had some of the best times of my life traveling through the DR and have found some of the best pussy I have ever had in these little camp's.

Respect these people and most will respect you. A good rule of thumb is to act right and behave yourself and all should be good with all the people.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? I know its a stupid question because I can assume that most guys on this board goes mongering alone. Anytime I left the country I always had a WingMan, I don't think I can ever travel alone.

I Think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is alot of downtime. Also maybe I'm somewhat of a quiet anti social personal, and it takes me a while to open up to new people.[/QUOTE]It has moreso to do with your personality than anything. I am one of those people who can entertain myself. Whereas my brother is one of those folks who cannot go 2 minutes without being in the company of someone.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1661034]I also wanted to ask? How does it feel to travel to another country alone? I know its a stupid question because I can assume that most guys on this board goes mongering alone. Anytime I left the country I always had a WingMan, I don't think I can ever travel alone.

I think I would feel alone and bored especially when there is alot of downtime. Also maybe I'm somewhat of a quiet anti social personal, and it takes me a while to open up to new people.[/QUOTE]You have also posted before that you lived in an apartment in Sosua for about year (was this with a wingperson to hold your hand, then?) and that you have traveled to many countries like Philippines, Brazil, Columbia, presumably with a chaperone or parent.

In another post you say you are 29 years old, and in another you said "I have been mongering for over 25+ years and the first rule of mongering is to never believe anything working girl / prostitute tells you. It amazes me how many gringos will believe everything. ".

I have mongered for a decade or so, and the first rule of mongering is "don't believe anything a monger says. It amazes me how many gringos will believe anything. ".

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1661424]In addition you could have the Chica sign a contract with list of services to be performed before entering the room. You could have a checklist with little boxes for services to be performed such as BBBJ, BBBJCIM, ANAL, including time allotments to be allowed for each activity.[/QUOTE]I remember a CubaDave™ video where he suggested the very same thing. I think that was one of his main tips a couple of years ago.

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1661395]Every time I go to Sosua it's by myself but I've spoken to some of those groups and it's a different dynamic all together they run trains watch each other then take turns on them like say you would in a real frat. I sometimes join those groups when I'm out in rumba not really interested in looking for company and fill like interacting its not that hard really. Like a puma?[/QUOTE]OK, LOL. What other animal hunts solo? An owl? No. A FALCON. I'll go with falcon.

No, but seriously though. I was wondering how much privacy was to be had in a villa filled with ya' boys from back home. I guess if it is about the "group activities" then right on. To each his own.

Like I said one way isn't better than the other IMHO.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1661672]
In another post you say you are 29 years old, and in another you said "I have been mongering for over 25+ years ... "

[/QUOTE]Horny little lad, wasn't he?

Always know that what you do on one street can be known on another street with a quickness whether it be good or bad. Just like in most other countries even the poorest people have cell phones. This be true on the highest mountain or the lowest camp. Always know what you do will be probably be known by someone and if it is bad you will pay up the road or if it is good you will be met with smiles and greetings of welcome.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1661424]In addition you could have the Chica sign a contract with list of services to be performed before entering the room. You could have a checklist with little boxes for services to be performed such as BBBJ, BBBJCIM, ANAL, including time allotments to be allowed for each activity.[/QUOTE]For me this is just too much of a hastle. I go to Sosua to f. And relax. Of all my trips to Sosua the percentage of chicas from whom I get bad service is about 50%. In all other countries the overall average is about 10%. For example, Colombia 5%, Argentina 0%, Brazil 0%, Germany 20%, Mexico 10%, South East Asia 5%, India about 60% etc. In my next trip to Sosua my plan is this: bring a timing clock which I will start, with her knowledge, at the beginning of the session. I will let her know that it will sound the alarm at the end of one hour. I will also tell her that if she aborts the session before the hour her recompense will be similarly deducted. And that will be that. Any chica who goes beyond the hour will be tipped.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1661424]In addition you could have the Chica sign a contract with list of services to be performed before entering the room. You could have a checklist with little boxes for services to be performed such as BBBJ, BBBJCIM, ANAL, including time allotments to be allowed for each activity.[/QUOTE]Dammit Surfer!

Some actually believe that you were serious when you poster this.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1662004]For me this is just too much of a hastle. I go to Sosua to f. And relax. Of all my trips to Sosua the percentage of chicas from whom I get bad service is about 50%. In all other countries the overall average is about 10%. For example, Colombia 5%, Argentina 0%, Brazil 0%, Germany 20%, Mexico 10%, South East Asia 5%, India about 60% etc. In my next trip to Sosua my plan is this: bring a timing clock which I will start, with her knowledge, at the beginning of the session. I will let her know that it will sound the alarm at the end of one hour. I will also tell her that if she aborts the session before the hour her recompense will be similarly deducted. And that will be that. Any chica who goes beyond the hour will be tipped.[/QUOTE]An alarm clock, especially set to an arbitrary absolute time length such as one hour, may not be fair. Sometimes I don't last that long. (ok almost never.) I'd prefer one of those chess clocks with the dual faces. After I thrust 10 seconds, then it's the girl's turn to ride her 10 seconds. I pump another 15, she counters with 15. I go down on her for 30, she does the same on me. This way we achieve parity. Or, you can pre-arrange (on the service menu checklist) that her time on the chess clock has to double yours, or triple, in order to earn a propina.

BTW, why is the bad service rate 60% in India, even higher than the DR? A lot of people equate Dominican laziness as a cause for bad service. I thought the Indians are highly industrious? I'll have to read up on your Indian reports.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1662004]For me this is just too much of a hastle. I go to Sosua to f. And relax. Of all my trips to Sosua the percentage of chicas from whom I get bad service is about 50%. In all other countries the overall average is about 10%. For example, Colombia 5%, Argentina 0%, Brazil 0%, Germany 20%, Mexico 10%, South East Asia 5%, India about 60% etc. In my next trip to Sosua my plan is this: bring a timing clock which I will start, with her knowledge, at the beginning of the session. I will let her know that it will sound the alarm at the end of one hour. I will also tell her that if she aborts the session before the hour her recompense will be similarly deducted. And that will be that. Any chica who goes beyond the hour will be tipped.[/QUOTE]Bad service from chicas in Sosua hhmmm. I think its cyclical, on my May trip I would of agreed with you, I was here for two weeks and about 50% of my sessions were disappointments, I was seriously contemplating not returning to Sosua. I don't know if its because its the season of giving or not but on this Christmas trip only about 5% to maybe 10% have been disappointments, over all I've had some great sex on this trip and I still have three more weeks to go (I guess I was good this year, Santa gave me five weeks in the DR). Over the past three years I've come for a five day get away over the Thanksgiving holiday and for another five day getaway over the MLK holiday. Looking back on it I've generally gotten better service better prices and more abundance over the Tday trips then I did over the MLK trips, may be because Tday is just a month out from Christmas and the chicas are starting to think about presents for their ninos and MLK is getting close to Super bowl weekend when the rookies show up and the chicas think they can start charging higher prices and giving substandard service.

Any way I'm going to be around for a few more weeks if anyone else is on the island let me know.

P.S.: made a couple great videos on youtube if your interested.

Chris

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1662038]Dammit Surfer!

Some actually believe that you were serious when you poster this.[/QUOTE]Somebody posted in the Boca Chica thread a while ago that they were doing exactly that, I can't remember which member it was.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1662004]For me this is just too much of a hastle. I go to Sosua to f. And relax. Of all my trips to Sosua the percentage of chicas from whom I get bad service is about 50%. In all other countries the overall average is about 10%. For example, Colombia 5%, Argentina 0%, Brazil 0%, Germany 20%, Mexico 10%, South East Asia 5%, India about 60% etc. In my next trip to Sosua my plan is this: bring a timing clock which I will start, with her knowledge, at the beginning of the session. I will let her know that it will sound the alarm at the end of one hour. I will also tell her that if she aborts the session before the hour her recompense will be similarly deducted. And that will be that. Any chica who goes beyond the hour will be tipped.[/QUOTE]The Reason why there a high chance you will get a whack nut in DR is because, Dominicans have a "Think about only today" mentally. They do not think about tomorrow. Now when you go to Brazil, the Sex is always good because Brazilian women are hoping if they give.

You good sex, They is a high chance that you will want to repeat and they hope they will get continued business. In Dominican Republic its all about trying to screw you and get the most money today, They don't care about doing good business. If your trying to get a good.

Nut in DR, I would suggest trying to get a Non-Pro, or a chick that has not been harden. But still in my experience having sex with a DR chica is like a Job to them, When I go to Brazil they treat me and have sex with me like I'm there boyfriend. My worst nut in Brazil.

Or Columbia is still 100 x Times better then my Best nut in DR. I have seen the light which is why I only go to Sosua maybe 1 x Time a year, I use to go 5 x Times a year, but to me its whack and played out now.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1662100]Bad service from chicas in Sosua hhmmm. I think its cyclical, on my May trip I would of agreed with you, I was here for two weeks and about 50% of my sessions were disappointments, I was seriously contemplating not returning to Sosua. I don't know if its because its the season of giving or not but on this Christmas trip only about 5% to maybe 10% have been disappointments, over all I've had some great sex on this trip and I still have three more weeks to go (I guess I was good this year, Santa gave me five weeks in the DR). Over the past three years I've come for a five day get away over the Thanksgiving holiday and for another five day getaway over the MLK holiday. Looking back on it I've generally gotten better service better prices and more abundance over the Tday trips then I did over the MLK trips, may be because Tday is just a month out from Christmas and the chicas are starting to think about presents for their ninos and MLK is getting close to Super bowl weekend when the rookies show up and the chicas think they can start charging higher prices and giving substandard service.

Any way I'm going to be around for a few more weeks if anyone else is on the island let me know.

P.S.: made a couple great videos on youtube if your interested.

Chris[/QUOTE]Great vids as usual, Chris. You made some great pulls. Didn't you have a few more videos up? Looking forward to seeing some more whenever you get a chance.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1662004]For me this is just too much of a hastle. I go to Sosua to f. And relax. Of all my trips to Sosua the percentage of chicas from whom I get bad service is about 50%. In all other countries the overall average is about 10%. For example, Colombia 5%, Argentina 0%, Brazil 0%, Germany 20%, Mexico 10%, South East Asia 5%, India about 60% etc. In my next trip to Sosua my plan is this: bring a timing clock which I will start, with her knowledge, at the beginning of the session. I will let her know that it will sound the alarm at the end of one hour. I will also tell her that if she aborts the session before the hour her recompense will be similarly deducted. And that will be that. Any chica who goes beyond the hour will be tipped.[/QUOTE]Just got back from a one day bombing run to Tijuana and in catching up with the Sosua posts, and yours in particular, I can't believe that you actually think or at least thought that I was serious about having a Chica sign a contract before entering the room.

I am perplexed why you would even consider returning to Sosua if you feel your getting bad service 50% of the time from the Chicas; when your getting such good service from the Chicas in the other countries you listed.

Parkinsons wrote some good reports a few pages back and I told him I would respond once I got my thought together. Now I'm reading about some guys having bad performances in Sosua, and this ties into what I've been thinking. I've been at this game for a little while, so as I look back I'm trying to figure out my development and what is best for me as I'm a candidate for early retirement in a couple years. How did I get here?, What did I learn?, Is there a future for me in this sport?

Cycle 1 (Fantasy island):

I've just been introduced to fantasy island (2007) and my life is about to be changed forever. Sosua was a big playground and anything goes, money was no object. I spent big and everyone loved me, I was a star. I tipped the waitresses good, paid the girls well and brought gifts for my friends I wasn't fucking. I had girls in Puerto Plata, la Union, and Montellano whose family and especially the moms loved me. I would take guys from this board (Kutha, Sabor, Bbl) to their homes and we would party with the family as the neighborhood girls would come to see the gringos. I always took up a collection from the guys at the end to slide mom (usually about 50 usd) to show our gratitude. Sex with my favorita was condom less and never any problems. Sex had passion but something was still missing. I always returned to the airport to leave with no pesos.

I had a girlfriend at every bar in Sosua. I would have to sneak past bars and play the outer bars just to be left alone. Here is one of my first reports:[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3144-Mr-Gogo-in-the-Dominican-Republic&p=1057435&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1057435.

And here is part two:[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3144-Mr-Gogo-in-the-Dominican-Republic&p=1059120&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1059120.

My cycle then included sending my favorite two girls 100 usd, twice by Western union. My eyes were eventually opened up when one of my favoritas tried to run the dentist scam and another one tried the hospital scam. I was also discovering Colombia and other spots therefore hardening me to the game. Plus Sosua was changing. I had money to spend and with that came contacts and fun, life was good.

Cycle two (the awakening):

After becoming popular I now craved my privacy. A quiet bar with just me to people watch was my favorite spot even though I would still do a walk by of my old spots. My spending nature stopped as I was more distrustful of everyone. I had fun and hung out but I had become a sport fucker. I no longer took girls for meals (why double my expenses), I no longer let girls spend the night. I stopped visiting girls homes and refused to meet family. It became a game of getting a deal. Sex became mechanical, as the girls in Sosua and Gogo changed. Sex in the cycle was always condom even when I went back with one of my regulars. I'm getting older and don't want to be played for a sucker. I now had red thousand peso notes when I returned America. As I stopped spending money so freely, my contacts had also vanished.

Cycle 3 (now);.

I'm getting older, retirement is coming, what are you going to do? Something is missing. I had just done Thailand with Mr E and Bbl and had a ball but that was too far away. Costa Rica and Colombia had me still searching. SD was at the top of my retirement list with Medellin a close second but I would soon discover that I was about to be turned onto something that I never put into the equation.

Two years ago I went to Cuba and had a ball. It was like going back in time and I would soon realize the magic of the island and the people. My first trip the girls reminded me of my early years in Sosua, they had fun and made love with passion. They wanted you to go a second round to make sure you were pleased. They put tongues in your ears and made the most incredible sounds. They were clean and smart. With so many restrictions from the government maybe sex is the only free expression that they have. With no internet and porn, they only know how to make love the original way with real feelings.

My second trip the casa owners niece came to visit her sister (casa owners wife). The four of us went for dinner (I paid) and then for a walk among the historical sites in Havana. At dinner the niece (lets call her Anna) didn't even know how to cut her meat with a knife, I had to help her. See she was from a little country town outside of Havana. We stopped and got some liquor (I paid) and went to the casa. We partied till 2 am and had a great time. The casa owner kept talking to me and I finally just walked into the room where Anna was (The liquor had me feeling bold). She was standing in front of a mirror re-touching her makeup. She smiled as I walked in. I walked up on her from behind but she went to close the door and locked it. She came back to the mirror and I kissed her neck from behind, she almost feinted. I turned her around and kissed her and she melted into me. She asked if I had a condom and I said yeah. I stepped back, took off my shirt and pants but kept the condom in my hand. I then laid on the bed as I watched her strip. I'm bone hard as she plays with her pussy in a zone in front of the mirror. She comes to the bed and plays with her pussy having two orgasms. I'm stunned at the sexual zone she is in and I'm enjoying the show (is it real? During sex she wouldn't stop coming and yelling. During doggy I could feel the heat coming off her pussy as I slammed her hard. She was amazing but I was just going through the motions. I woke up at 7 am and she reached right over at my dick and we finished the night. I had checked into a hotel the previous day to have an escape place to chill out at so I went there. I spent the day alone with my thoughts and realized that I had cheated the girl. She was in her sexual zone and I was just there. I wasn't really apart of it because I didn't let myself go, the guy from the free country was used to restrictions. I didn't go back to the casa because I wanted to freelance in Havana plus I only had two days left in my trip.

Back in America I couldn't get that girl out of my mind. My third trip I had a new private casa all by myself. I went by the old casa owners house and he had a new girl staying there. The casa owner said he had no contact with his ex or her family. I had Annas grandmothers number and called her and Anna answered and came to me on the bus for three hours. Now we could play house as I had my own place. I was in my zone as she was. Sex was non-stop and condom less. Anna would act like I was killing her, No Gogo Nooo as her pussy would be squirting. She would slap her own ass to let me know what she wanted. She would pull her hair and slap her face till I caught on. Anna was totally submissive and wanted to be dominated. I was now in my sexual zone with no restrictions. We spent my whole trip together.

Anna called me before Thanksgiving asking for 120 dollars and I stopped taking her calls refusing her request. I haven't talked to her until last week when I got soft and called to wish her Merry Christmas. She was so excited she screamed and then cried. I was thinking that I almost lost the best sex partner I've ever had over 120 lousy dollars. Parkinsons report made me evaluate the situation. I'm approaching middle age and good sex might not be available as I'm getting older, do I stick with the hour fucks with a condom in Sosua or do I make an investment in this good pussy? I'm headed back to Cuba soon and realize I have to spend money to maintain my contacts and good pussy, but will I do it?

[QUOTE=Lou32;1662122]Great vids as usual, Chris. You made some great pulls. Didn't you have a few more videos up? Looking forward to seeing some more whenever you get a chance.[/QUOTE]Post the link.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1662152]Just got back from a one day bombing run to Tijuana and in catching up with the Sosua posts, and yours in particular, I can't believe that you actually think or at least thought that I was serious about having a Chica sign a contract before entering the room.

I am perplexed why you would even consider returning to Sosua if you feel your getting bad service 50% of the time from the Chicas; when your getting such good service from the Chicas in the other countries you listed.[/QUOTE]Yell T what up with that! I don't think I could keep deal with a 50% that's terrible. If I was a newbie you would have me crossing out India and Sosua. What are the airfares for Venezula.

Bad service is a part of sport fucking. Great sex does not always happen when you are with a stranger. Both people have to be comfortable with one another. Then there are scamming chicas. Scamming chicas are not that hard to avoid. They are often pushy and anxious. Avoiding these girls will save much head ache. Some of the best chicas are the ones who travel solo. They are happy when they find a buyer and show their appreciation when they are treated with respect and affection.

I treat the girls with respect until they show they are not worthy. You have to stay on guard as most girls will treat you like a ATM machine if you let them. I would advise repeating with girls who are good performers. Often the second time is even better. I like Sosua for the variety. You can have any kind of women you want. I find that every day I am in he mood for something different. At this stage of the game fucking 20 year old girls is awesome therapy for me.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1662163]Yell T what up with that! I don't think I could keep deal with a 50% that's terrible. If I was a newbie you would have me crossing out India and Sosua. What are the airfares for Venezula.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1662183]Bad service is a part of sport fucking. Great sex does not always happen when you are with a stranger.[/QUOTE]It does when you are in Brazil. When I tell you what this chick did to me for $30 last week! [url]http://www.amantesecia.com.br/orientvip/anuncio.php?id=3464[/url] I ended up giving her a $7 tip, which confused the shit out of her. Guess they aren't used to receiving tips in that establishment. But I was so damn happy I couldn't help myself.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1662100]Bad service from chicas in Sosua hhmmm. I think its cyclical, on my May trip I would of agreed with you, I was here for two weeks and about 50% of my sessions were disappointments, I was seriously contemplating not returning to Sosua. I don't know if its because its the season of giving or not but on this Christmas trip only about 5% to maybe 10% have been disappointments, over all I've had some great sex on this trip and I still have three more weeks to go (I guess I was good this year, Santa gave me five weeks in the DR). Over the past three years I've come for a five day get away over the Thanksgiving holiday and for another five day getaway over the MLK holiday. Looking back on it I've generally gotten better service better prices and more abundance over the Tday trips then I did over the MLK trips, may be because Tday is just a month out from Christmas and the chicas are starting to think about presents for their ninos and MLK is getting close to Super bowl weekend when the rookies show up and the chicas think they can start charging higher prices and giving substandard service.

Any way I'm going to be around for a few more weeks if anyone else is on the island let me know.

P.S.: made a couple great videos on youtube if your interested.

Chris[/QUOTE]The same thing happened to me. I got about 50% bad service in my trip to Sosua in May and well under 50% bad service in my last trip in November. Actually my November trip was my best ever in all my trips to Sosua, service wise. I will always return to Sosua for the ambience and the beaches in addition to the sub par hobbying which is better than none at all. Some one asked about India. Indian people are very hard working but they will try to rip you off at the earliest opportunity especially if you are a foreigner, more so than any other nationality I know. I have been there only for work.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1662152]Just got back from a one day bombing run to Tijuana and in catching up with the Sosua posts, and yours in particular, I can't believe that you actually think or at least thought that I was serious about having a Chica sign a contract before entering the room.

I am perplexed why you would even consider returning to Sosua if you feel your getting bad service 50% of the time from the Chicas; when your getting such good service from the Chicas in the other countries you listed.[/QUOTE]Hey, lighten up, I was joking about the alarm clock. I love Sosua and will always return.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1662155]
I'm approaching middle age and good sex might not be available as I'm getting older, do I stick with the hour fucks with a condom in Sosua or do I make an investment in this good pussy? I'm headed back to Cuba soon and realize I have to spend money to maintain my contacts and good pussy, but will I do it?[/QUOTE]Good post Gogo. It looks like you found Sosua just a year before I did. My official trip to the DR was December 2008 to Blackbeards in Puerto Plata in which I hooked up with two other guys staying there who invited me to ride with them to Sosua. We took a taxi right up to a club someone had told them about called "Classicos"...

I think I am in Cycle Two / Cycle Three of what you have described. Like I mentioned in another post (in another forum) I kinda got bored with sport fucking on my Thanksgiving trip back to Medellin. I have a handful of chicas that are just generally cool to hang with, and next trip I plan to develop those contacts rather than knocking down 20+ chicas again.

Like I admitted to you on the back channel I have developed that Sosua bug again (haven't been back there since May 2012), but honestly I am glad I just pulled the trigger on another ticket to Medellin instead. Sosua is starting to get complaints like San Jose gets complaints (mechanical chicas, rush jobs, bait and switching, etc). And it's a shame because the DR has some very sexy women. Once the chicas start demanding and receiving money up front before they do the deed, then you know it's game over.

You may see me there sometime this year, but it'll only be a very quick pass through. If I could do SD like I can do Medellin, then it would probably be years before I went back to Colombia. But the general vibe I get from the DR is that everyone is trying to out-hustle the next person (especially in SD. Just look at how an SD Super-Vet like BoriquaOnline had a taxi driver try to hustle him recently).

I'm surprised to hear this 50% bad service reports in Sosua, haven't been in a couple years but am thinking 10-20% were not so great on previous trips. Discouraging to think only half the women might be a good time, are things really getting that bad?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1662155]
.I'm approaching middle age and good sex might not be available as I'm getting older, do I stick with the hour fucks with a condom in Sosua or do I make an investment in this good pussy? I'm headed back to Cuba soon and realize I have to spend money to maintain my contacts and good pussy, but will I do it?[/QUOTE]I read your post and have found somewhat of a balance in Sosua. I don't know how old you are but if your in your forties and in good shape you should easily be able to have good sex into your 60's and on, at least I am. I have to been to Sosua about 6 times in the last year and a half and have spent the money to maintain contacts with girls that take good care of me. I love the beaches and all the water activities in and around Sosua that I can partake in. I've been all over Colombia and Costa Rica and have yet to find a location in either of those countries with a combination of a large variety of girls and beautiful beaches combined. If it wasn't for the beautiful beaches in and around Sosua I wouldn't return there. I also like the option in Sosua of being able to do some sport fucking when I have a craving for something different besides one of my regulars. Everybody rolls different but if you can afford to maintain contacts I would suggest you do so, and when you get tired of one of them you can always hit the Strip and grab a nasty "skank" for an hour!

I am not sure what it was like when I was 18 but 3 days in Sosus I am just about done. No juice left in the body. I was hanging with some other guys close to my age and all us were dry. I am still trying to learn how to pace myself, but when I see the hot young things my brain shuts off.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1662389]I read your post and have found somewhat of a balance in Sosua. I don't know how old you are but if your in your forties and in good shape you should easily be able to have good sex into your 60's and on, at least I am. I have to been to Sosua about 6 times in the last year and a half and have spent the money to maintain contacts with girls that take good care of me. I love the beaches and all the water activities in and around Sosua that I can partake in. I've been all over Colombia and Costa Rica and have yet to find a location in either of those countries with a combination of a large variety of girls and beautiful beaches combined. If it wasn't for the beautiful beaches in and around Sosua I wouldn't return there. I also like the option in Sosua of being able to do some sport fucking when I have a craving for something different besides one of my regulars. Everybody rolls different but if you can afford to maintain contacts I would suggest you do so, and when you get tired of one of them you can always hit the Strip and grab a nasty "skank" for an hour![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ElMonoCalvo;1662351]I'm surprised to hear this 50% bad service reports in Sosua, haven't been in a couple years but am thinking 10-20% were not so great on previous trips. Discouraging to think only half the women might be a good time, are things really getting that bad?[/QUOTE]Do not be put off by reports of 50% bad service. A couple years ago I was getting 50% when you were getting 10-20%. I tend to be a little demanding hence the chicas wanting to short time me. Not everyone has the same experience. You may have a great time with my bad service chica. Depend on your own experience not what another guy says. As the game show host says "Come on down".

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1662389]I read your post and have found somewhat of a balance in Sosua. I don't know how old you are but if your in your forties and in good shape you should easily be able to have good sex into your 60's and on, at least I am. I have to been to Sosua about 6 times in the last year and a half and have spent the money to maintain contacts with girls that take good care of me. I love the beaches and all the water activities in and around Sosua that I can partake in. I've been all over Colombia and Costa Rica and have yet to find a location in either of those countries with a combination of a large variety of girls and beautiful beaches combined. If it wasn't for the beautiful beaches in and around Sosua I wouldn't return there. I also like the option in Sosua of being able to do some sport fucking when I have a craving for something different besides one of my regulars. Everybody rolls different but if you can afford to maintain contacts I would suggest you do so, and when you get tired of one of them you can always hit the Strip and grab a nasty "skank" for an hour![/QUOTE]As much as I love Colombia I enjoy the beach too much to live there 12 months a year so this year I decided to split my time up between the DR and Colombia. I live in Puerto Plata as I have no use for the strip in Sosua but I love hitting up Sosua beach a few times a week, I just love having a beer or two, take a dip in the ocean then have a good lunch on the beach then another swim and a couple more beers and then jump in a publico and head back to Puerto Plata, that's a good day for me and I can't do that in Colombia, you can come close in Cartagena but I won't swim in that water, nasty, plus it's always oppressively hot there. I hate the real hot weather so come April or whenever it starts getting real hot I'll be heading back to the mountains of Colombia.

Boots on the ground report.

No one else seems to be here so I thought I would give a current field report from the front lines. This is the start of my third week here in the pussy capital of the Caribbean. Have not paid more than 1000 to 1500 a few were rewarded with 2000 for going above and beyond the call of duty. One little kitten convinced me to give her 2000 and I even accepted a CBJ from her (picture below). I never open negotiations until we are in front of my place and before the door is opened if they are unwilling to accept 1500 max plus give DATY and BBBJ, I smile turn to walk back towards the strip and say possibly mais tarde mi amor EVERY one has been willing to accept 1500 when they realize its a take or leave it proposition with a smile. Over all the sex has been pretty good had an even fifty girls as of today out of the fifty, three I regret being with because they gave me bad sex, One I think was high on something I finely just gave up gave her the money and told her to leave, the other was pretty good but would not let me get in my finishing position so I couldn't complete the mission and the third one was trying hard she just wasn't any dam good at screwing. But apart from that the rest have been good to great on this trip.

The week leading up to Christmas was filled with many hot new girls coming in to make some holiday money. Christmas eve and Christmas day was a little slow but still enough girls around, a few Dominican chicas but mostly Haitian girls. Things slowly picked up Saturday night. Still plenty of girls around still plenty of attractive girls around but a little slower than it was the week leading up to Christmas. The hotties seem to congregate more towards Rumbas and the entrance to Classicos. Been inside Classicos a few times, a few people inside a few hotties inside but have not seen it packed like the old days. Really seems no reason to pay the cover and go inside as the same chicas will rotate from the downstairs front entrance to inside the club to back over to Rumbas. In the old days as I recall every time you went into Classicos you had to pay a cover but was given a drink coupon. Now every time I go in they give me a wrist band that allows me to come and go as much as I want the Haitian girls seem to congregate mostly around bar central and the German restaurant.

The clientele seems to be mostly older European men and older French Canadians from Montreal.

Had one incident a couple days before Christmas when I picked up a Haitian girl I knew from the past. We were walking past Rumbas when she stopped dead in her tracks and froze, at first I thought she was afraid of the police on the corner but then a very angry European or French Canadian guy came up and ripped her purse off her shoulder started angrily rummaging through it grabbed her wallet took out the only 500 p she had inside of it started storming back and forth in front of Rumbas shouting in what I believe was French, grabbed her condoms from her purse and throw them in the air grabbed her cedula ripping it in half and throwing it on the ground. Meanwhile she is just standing there with this deer in the headlights pissed off look on her face and not resisting at all. I am thinking she must of been with this guy earlier in the day and stole something from him. I try asking the guy in a polite voice in Spanish and English if she stole something from him if he spoke English if she was his novia. The guy pays zero attention to me never even looks in my direction just continues storming back and forth yelling, he goes up and confronts the chica and the two of them start arguing in what I believe was French. Stupidly am still standing there trying to ask the guy comely if she stole something from him or if she is his girlfriend. I feel somewhat obligated to stay there as I know this girl from the past have been with her a few times and always found her to be a fun great girl to session with and never had any incidents with her. The guy continues to pay no attention to me as he is angrily confronting and yelling at the girl, at one point he puts his hand around my wrist and I politely pull away and politely say no toca mi, thirty seconds later he does the same thing and I politely pull away and politely say don't touch me. He does it a third time and I angrily pull my arm away shove him and in a loud voice say no toca mi. At this point there are people starting to stand on the steps in front of Rumbas watching the whole thing and I see these three European looking guys come running over who I believe are this guys friends. For a split second I'm thinking I fucked up I'm here by myself and don't know anyone the only people I know are the chicas I've been sleeping with and there certainly not going to run to my rescue. I'm thinking these guys are going to grab me or start pushing me around for pushing their friend. But fortunately for me they just grabbed their friend and tried coming him down and didn't say or do anything to me. I found out a couple days later this guy had been her benefactor had been sending her money while she had been telling him she doesn't work any more and never goes to the strip.

Lesson here is no matter what these girls say you should never send them money. No matter how much you send them, no matter how much they tell you they love you, no matter how many times they tell you they've given up that life style, they will still be out turning tricks on Pedro Clisante.

Lesson for me, never get into a confrontation or tumble over one of these chicas, they wouldn't do it for you.

Well almost eight O clock time to find a seat in front of Premium disco and see what the talent level is like on the strip tonight.

Cheers.

Your friend,

Chris

Forgot to post some pictures. I am here for three more weeks If I get any grief from the chicas about these pictures being up here I will never ever post pictures again. Only an asshole with a tiny dick who feels the need to compensate for his impotent unable to get a hard on quarter inch dick will show them to the chicas. What happens here stays here, this board is FUBU.

Chriss

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1662206]It does when you are in Brazil. When I tell you what this chick did to me for $30 last week! [url]http://www.amantesecia.com.br/orientvip/anuncio.php?id=3464[/url] I ended up giving her a $7 tip, which confused the shit out of her. Guess they aren't used to receiving tips in that establishment. But I was so damn happy I couldn't help myself.[/QUOTE]Whoa. Dude.

Are you saying that a body like that can be had in Brazil for only $30 USD??

[QUOTE=Turgid;1662300]The same thing happened to me. I got about 50% bad service in my trip to Sosua in May and well under 50% bad service in my last trip in November. Actually my November trip was my best ever in all my trips to Sosua, service wise. I will always return to Sosua for the ambience and the beaches in addition to the sub par hobbying which is better than none at all. Some one asked about India. Indian people are very hard working but they will try to rip you off at the earliest opportunity especially if you are a foreigner, more so than any other nationality I know. I have been there only for work.[/QUOTE]I have to say about 50% of my encounters in the DR were terrible. Straight up "Leche Papi" after 3 minutes type chicas. Another 40% were just average, nothing to write home about. And the final 10% were good. Not even one super star or amazing session in all the girls I had on my last trip.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1662515]I have to say about 50% of my encounters in the DR were terrible. Straight up "Leche Papi" after 3 minutes type chicas. Another 40% were just average, nothing to write home about. And the final 10% were good. Not even one super star or amazing session in all the girls I had on my last trip.[/QUOTE]Where are you finding all these dud chicas? Are they dominicanas or haitianas?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1662517]Where are you finding all these dud chicas? Are they dominicanas or haitianas?[/QUOTE]I like everyone else who has spent much time in Sosua have had some "dud" Chicas, however the "dud" Chicas I have have been with have all been Dominican. I honestly can't remember having a "dud" Haitian. When I say "dud", I mean no effort, leche rapido papi, etc.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1662517]Where are you finding all these dud chicas? Are they dominicanas or haitianas?[/QUOTE]I went to Sosua 7 times this year and just started going last year it used to be that Haitians didn't want any problems so they were submissive and you could pay them less and even they aren't as sweet as they once were. I would say that in great post from at MrGogo I'm also in cycle 2 the only difference for me being I came here a sport fucker and now that ideal bores me to tears and I look for the campo experience dancing drinking have real fun not this going to Classcio crap and just picking the most doll up chica who can't fuck. What made me realize this is that I'm younger than most mid twenties so still very much capable of the sport fucking for 10 days but I'm just not in to it.

Hi,

I will be arriving to STI and need to get a bus to Sosua I understand that a cab from the airport to the bus station is 1000 do I just ask any taxi driver outside the airport to take me and give him 1000?

I've also heard you can get a cab for 250 to bus station outside airport is this worth looking into?

Check this video from [URL]http://dominicanrepublic.adultsearch.com/sosua/[/URL] some info is outdated (Passion and CMP still opened) but still I think it has some useful information and will give you guys great memories. It covers Sosua, Puerto Plata, Cabarette, Santiago, Babaro, la Romana, Juan Dolio, Boca chica, etc. Hope you enjoy the video as I did.

Cerebro

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1662155]I've been at this game for a little while, so as I look back I'm trying to figure out my development and what is best for me as I'm a candidate for early retirement in a couple years. How did I get here?, What did I learn?, Is there a future for me in this sport?[/QUOTE]Great post Sir. Both thoughtful and reflective. Made me wish I could visit Cuba. For a last hurrah!

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1662498]Boots on the ground report.
Lesson for me, never get into a confrontation or tumble over one of these chicas, they wouldn't do it for you.
Chris[/QUOTE]Nice report and yes you want to stay away from any confrontation with these Chicas. One night I saw two Chicas get into fight over something in front of Bar Central. One of them took a beer bottle and broke the end off of it and went after the other one until some locals stepped in somehow and broke it up.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1662712]Check this video ... Hope you enjoy the video as I did.

Cerebro[/QUOTE]Thanks, I learned a few things and did enjoy the beautiful women.

As far as the 50% discussion- even the most experienced of us can make bad choices but if only half my pulls were consistently "good" I'd be looking hard at my technique. There's always variables involved like alcohol and lust to cloud our judgement. Of course speaking the language is a must to conduct a proper interview. I gravitate towards the sweet, fun personalities and have pretty good success but it can still be a crap shoot at times. The worst of my career was a crazy puta in Boca Chica that tried to double the price after the session, took a swing at me and started throwing stuff around the room. Fun times!

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1662712]Check this video from [URL]http://dominicanrepublic.adultsearch.com/sosua/[/URL] some info is outdated (Passion and CMP still opened) but still I think it has some useful information and will give you guys great memories. It covers Sosua, Puerto Plata, Cabarette, Santiago, Babaro, la Romana, Juan Dolio, Boca chica, etc. Hope you enjoy the video as I did.

Cerebro[/QUOTE]Thanks for this, see. I watched the whole thing. I was going to go to DR first time in January but now have to cancel due to an aging dog. Geez now I know what I m going to be missing. But I will go there in the future.

[QUOTE=DCups;1662757]Thanks for this, see. I watched the whole thing. I was going to go to DR first time in January but now have to cancel due to an aging dog. Geez now I know what I m going to be missing. But I will go there in the future.[/QUOTE]For a starter, go to and stay in Sosua. Take a flight to Puerto Plata airport and you will be in Sosua in 10 minute from the airport. Another option is a flight to Santiago, but you will have to take a taxi to the Santiago city and a metro bus nice less than $10 dollars and cheap will get you to the center of Sosua in 1 1/2 hour. Don't flight to SD capital if you are going to Sosua. It is too far from Sosua.

[QUOTE=DCups;1662757]I was going to go to DR first time in January but now have to cancel due to an aging dog.[/QUOTE]Yes, there are plenty of ageing dogs on Pedro Clisante, but no reason to cancel your trip.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1662500]Forgot to post some pictures. I am here for three more weeks If I get any grief from the chicas about these pictures being up here I will never ever post pictures again. Only an asshole with a tiny dick who feels the need to compensate for his impotent unable to get a hard on quarter inch dick will show them to the chicas. What happens here stays here, this board is FUBU.

Chriss[/QUOTE]Starting with the first chica. 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 7, 8, and 8 just my opinion. Thats a damn good line up CL. I would have had a few chocolates in the mix but I like your style.

[QUOTE=ChrisLong;1662500]Forgot to post some pictures. I am here for three more weeks If I get any grief from the chicas about these pictures being up here I will never ever post pictures again. Only an asshole with a tiny dick who feels the need to compensate for his impotent unable to get a hard on quarter inch dick will show them to the chicas. What happens here stays here, this board is FUBU.

Chriss[/QUOTE]You have good taste my man! Makes me want to rethink my long-held position that The DR is not a mongering destination for me. Haven't had time to read your report yet, but I will. And I know based on your informative Tijuana reports that if I ever do decide to go to The DR, then your reports on that scene will be just the resource that I need to go and do it right! Keep up the good work my man!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1662881]Starting with the first chica. 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 7, 8, and 8 just my opinion. Thats a damn good line up CL. I would have had a few chocolates in the mix but I like your style.[/QUOTE]What's up with you Grownman, none of those darllngs had a big phat ass on them. Are you leaning towards the more flaca Chicas these days?

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1662712]Check this video from [URL]http://dominicanrepublic.adultsearch.com/sosua/[/URL] some info is outdated (Passion and CMP still opened) but still I think it has some useful information and will give you guys great memories. It covers Sosua, Puerto Plata, Cabarette, Santiago, Babaro, la Romana, Juan Dolio, Boca chica, etc. Hope you enjoy the video as I did.

Cerebro[/QUOTE]I was actually somewhat disappointed in that video. I was looking to return to the DR this year, but nothing in that video would have drawn me there (well, maybe one or two). I know that there are some hot women in the DR, but that video did not do them any justice.

I guess Colombia has me spoiled, LOL.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1662161]Post the link.[/QUOTE]Great report Mr. GoGo;.

IMHO $120 is nothing compared to passion and quite frankly if you don't want her I'll take her off your hands and will joyously handle her with care. Its a no-brainer.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1662932]I was actually somewhat disappointed in that video. I was looking to return to the DR this year, but nothing in that video would have drawn me there (well, maybe one or two). I know that there are some hot women in the DR, but that video did not do them any justice.

I guess Colombia has me spoiled, LOL.[/QUOTE]Savepros321,

A lot of comparisons and a big debate could start here of which are the best, the Dominican women or the Colombianas. In beauty, the girls in Medellin top the Dominicans. For sweetness and GFE experience, the Dominicans top the Colombianas. The DR video has a good portray of the girls's quality around the country. There is another video from Medellin and in that video you could also see many Colombian fatties and ugly girls in the low class establishments, bars, brothels. I like women from both the DR and Colombia. You might like the Medellin video better since Colombia has spoiled you:

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bravo;1662515]I have to say about 50% of my encounters in the DR were terrible. Straight up "Leche Papi" after 3 minutes type chicas. Another 40% were just average, nothing to write home about. And the final 10% were good. Not even one super star or amazing session in all the girls I had on my last trip.[/QUOTE]If you want enthusiastic chicas who would f. K your brains out with porn star sex do not go to Sosua, go to other countries like Brazil and Argentina. If you want to be in a pleasant environment where you can walk around in shorts, chat with blokes with similar interests, relax at the beach and indulge in sea side activities and when you get the urge grab a chica and release the tension, if it does'nt work the first time then go out and grab another, then Sosua is your place.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1662908]What's up with you Grownman, none of those darllngs had a big phat ass on them. Are you leaning towards the more flaca Chicas these days?[/QUOTE]It's not the big butts that I like it's the phat firm asses with slender waist. Athletically built or TrackStar bodies. Hey Chris draw a mustache and or beard on you chicas and watch surfer go crazy.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1663099]
For sweetness and GFE experience, the Dominicans top the Colombianas. [/QUOTE]That is definitely not the sentiment if you read the last page and a half in the forum. Mostly everyone is saying the exact opposite. You even have guys suggesting to others that they need to go as far as Brazil and Argentina for better service (either destination doesn't sound like a bad idea either).

In my observation it seems that the further you get away from the USA/USA Tourists en mass, the better attitude the women will have.

Sosua: Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.

San Jose (Costa Rica): Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.

The places that are too far to have a large USA Tourists presence don't have as many complaints as the two places listed above. Sure, there will be a handful of p4 p women who will turn out to be duds, but I haven't seen it as prevalent as the DR or CR.

As far as Dominicanas vs. Colombianas when it comes to GFE: I can only speak for myself, but I consistently get the "wife experience" (new wife, lol) while I am there. I would not go there so often otherwise.

I have decided to visit Rio de Janeiro for the first time in 2015, so I'll eventually be able to add another dimension to the discussion about chicas/countries/service levels.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663112]That is definitely not the sentiment if you read the last page and a half in the forum. Mostly everyone is saying the exact opposite. You even have guys suggesting to others that they need to go as far as Brazil and Argentina for better service (either destination doesn't sound like a bad idea either).

In my observation it seems that the further you get away from the USA / USA Tourists en mass, the better attitude the women will have.

Sosua: Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor / rushed service.

San Jose (Costa Rica): Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor / rushed service.

The places that are too far to have a large USA Tourists presence don't have as many complaints as the two places listed above. Sure, there will be a handful of p4 p women who will turn out to be duds, but I haven't seen it as prevalent as the DR or CR.

As far as Dominicanas vs. Colombianas when it comes to GFE: I can only speak for myself, but I consistently get the "wife experience" (new wife, lol) while I am there. I would not go there so often otherwise.[/QUOTE]Savepros321,

Your observations are interesting. I guess the experience vary from person to person. In my case, I tend to encounter more GFE in the DR in a first encounter with a girl than in Colombia. Also, I speak Spanish and am Dominican born too. Maybe that is the reason. After a GFE experience with a DR girl, I have often been asked if I want a girlfriend or to be their boyfriend and I always end up saying sorry that I am not looking for a long term relationship or girlfriend. During a first encounter with a girl in Colombia, that GFE experience has not happened to me that often.

Giving these girls gifts is good but guys when giving these girls dildo's please quit giving them these big ass ball bats. The women love them but it is making there stuff to stretched out for most of us regular size people. It is cool to give them one just bring the smaller version

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1662155]

Anna called me before Thanksgiving asking for 120 dollars and I stopped taking her calls refusing her request. I haven't talked to her until last week when I got soft and called to wish her Merry Christmas. She was so excited she screamed and then cried. I was thinking that I almost lost the best sex partner I've ever had over 120 lousy dollars. Parkinsons report made me evaluate the situation. I'm approaching middle age and good sex might not be available as I'm getting older, do I stick with the hour fucks with a condom in Sosua or do I make an investment in this good pussy? I'm headed back to Cuba soon and realize I have to spend money to maintain my contacts and good pussy, but will I do it?[/QUOTE]With all due respect Sir you are a recovering westing union attic and you are trying to rationalize the possibility of you relapsing. $120 is nothing but we're not talking about the money we talking about the principal. You know damn well from your own experience that it won't be a one time thing. I'm surprised Tom, Ghostface or Save Pro have not got onto your ass. You Joe Fraziered her your second round and now you about to get rope a doped. Time has made you respect your money more of course you going to lose friends. Fake ones. You said it yourself you didn't send her the money however you talk to her and she wasn't mad at you for not sending it. Some chicas are pressured by relatives, friends, boyfriends to ask there gringo friends for money. Some chicas it's just the MO of the game. They say an older man does with money what a younger man does with love. But since we are talking about our hobby in which we all pay. A wise monger pays less and get more with less headaches. You are too wise to relegate my brother. I'm wondering why no season vet has commented on this post.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1663131]Giving these girls gifts is good but guys when giving these girls dildo's please quit giving them these big ass ball bats. The women love them but it is making there stuff to stretched out for most of us regular size people. It is cool to give them one just bring the smaller version[/QUOTE]Really? I thought it was the sheer number of bambinos they were popping out, LOL!

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1663122]Savepros321,

Your observations are interesting. I guess the experience vary from person to person. In my case, I tend to encounter more GFE in the DR in a first encounter with a girl than in Colombia. Also, I speak Spanish and am Dominican born too. Maybe that is the reason. After a GFE experience with a DR girl, I have often been asked if I want a girlfriend or to be their boyfriend and I always end up saying sorry that I am not looking for a long term relationship or girlfriend. During a first encounter with a girl in Colombia, that GFE experience has not happened to me that often.[/QUOTE]I lived some years in Colombia and I can confirm that Colombian chicas can be very hot in bed and also very sweet.

But for a man in the forties or fifties ist not so easy to have a GFE with a young girl like in the DR. In this respect, Colombia has changed a lot in the last ten years. 10 or 15 years ago Colombia had a so bad reputation that only a few Americans and Europeans traveled to Colombia. At these times as a foreigner you easily could have a lot of girls even without paying. Nowadays Colombian girls are no longer so naive, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1663131]Giving these girls gifts is good but guys when giving these girls dildo's please quit giving them these big ass ball bats. The women love them but it is making there stuff to stretched out for most of us regular size people. It is cool to give them one just bring the smaller version[/QUOTE]LOL I remember seeing a chica who had her photo on Whatsapp with a dildo about the size of my arm in the background. She lost my potential business. You big size mongers stop showing off or I'm going to show chicas pictures you posted of them on this forum again. LOL.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663137]I'm surprised Tom, Ghostface or Save Pro have not got onto your ass. You Joe Fraziered her your second round and now you about to get rope a doped. Time has made you respect your money more of course you going to lose friends. Fake ones. You said it yourself you didn't send her the money however you talk to her and she wasn't mad at you for not sending it. Some chicas are pressured by relatives, friends, boyfriends to ask there gringo friends for money. Some chicas it's just the MO of the game. They say an older man does with money what a younger man does with love. But since we are talking about our hobby in which we all pay. A wise monger pays less and get more with less headaches. You are too wise to relegate my brother. I'm wondering why no season vet has commented on this post.[/QUOTE]I cannot comment because we have two entirely different dynamics. When I read his post (about trying to lock down good pussy at his age because it may be drying up due to him getting older) it's something that I cannot relate to because I am not yet at that age / stage in my life. But who knows? It will eventually be a reality a lot of us young bucks will have to face in the future. His post holds more weight to me (than some newbie who's been in Sosua two minutes and has decided he's found his future wife) because Gogo has been in this longer and more frequently than most of us combined. I would ask you to take note of his post because it could be seen as a rare glimpse into your future when it comes to aging and still trying to lock in GFE.

Also, he is talking about a chick in Cuba. From what I understand the place is still largely unspoiled by American Gringos, unlike the DR. A Dominican chica you meet on DC has no shame in asking you to send her money five minutes after messaging with her. I don't know what that is like with Cuban women because I've never been to Cuba or have any insight as to their Modus Operandi. The young buck in me says "all women are the same". But as my young ass starts to age, I might also be singing a different tune, hahaha. You never know bro.

He's gotten a lot of mentoring from Bq Ribs: a guy in the position Gogo is trying to get to (retired and living in the DR full time). Bq would know better than any of us, but he does not post on the forum anymore.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663137]With all due respect Sir you are a recovering westing union attic and you are trying to rationalize the possibility of you relapsing. $120 is nothing but we're not talking about the money we talking about the principal. You know damn well from your own experience that it won't be a one time thing. I'm surprised Tom, Ghostface or Save Pro have not got onto your ass. You Joe Fraziered her your second round and now you about to get rope a doped. Time has made you respect your money more of course you going to lose friends. Fake ones. You said it yourself you didn't send her the money however you talk to her and she wasn't mad at you for not sending it. Some chicas are pressured by relatives, friends, boyfriends to ask there gringo friends for money. Some chicas it's just the MO of the game. They say an older man does with money what a younger man does with love. But since we are talking about our hobby in which we all pay. A wise monger pays less and get more with less headaches. You are too wise to relegate my brother. I'm wondering why no season vet has commented on this post.[/QUOTE]Advice appreciated brother. As we get older we don't really care about principal as much as we care about finding our happiness. Principal can be based on how you want other people to perceive you. Your friend Fresh is kicking out about 13 k a year to find his happiness, and I respect that, but 120 a few times a year for great sex is respectable for me. This coming from a chica who never asks for money when I'm there.

We will have many years together in this game brother and I can see in the near future you emailing me telling you found"The one" and I'm going to ride you hard at first, but once I see you are serious I'm going to roll with any choice you make. Its a growth process bro and the clock is ticking so we have to appreciate the special things that come our way. If we keep passing on good things we could possibly have a life of regret. I've fucked up good things so much in my life that I'm an expert now at not fucking up a good thing. I'm never getting married so don't think it will go that far, but a nice, little, sexy honey that serves it up like I like it and gets me to bust powerful nuts could be coming soon.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663137]With all due respect Sir you are a recovering westing union attic and you are trying to rationalize the possibility of you relapsing. $120 is nothing but we're not talking about the money we talking about the principal. You know damn well from your own experience that it won't be a one time thing. I'm surprised Tom, Ghostface or Save Pro have not got onto your ass. You Joe Fraziered her your second round and now you about to get rope a doped. Time has made you respect your money more of course you going to lose friends. Fake ones. You said it yourself you didn't send her the money however you talk to her and she wasn't mad at you for not sending it. Some chicas are pressured by relatives, friends, boyfriends to ask there gringo friends for money. Some chicas it's just the MO of the game. They say an older man does with money what a younger man does with love. But since we are talking about our hobby in which we all pay. A wise monger pays less and get more with less headaches. You are too wise to relegate my brother. I'm wondering why no season vet has commented on this post.[/QUOTE]I commented on his post and my advice was contrary to yours. Yes, we all pay, and some have more money than others. Sometimes a lot of guys on this board disdain the WU guys on this board, but you have to keep things in perspective. I at times send "chump change" to two of my regulars in the DR like at Christmas. I was never asked by them to send them money, it was something I did without asking. This is far different than the guy who gets roped into sending money every month to a Chica. You said"a wise monger pays less and gets more with less headaches". I say a wise monger pays a little more and get's a lot with no headaches.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1663101]If you want enthusiastic chicas who would f. K your brains out with porn star sex do not go to Sosua, go to other countries like Brazil and Argentina. If you want to be in a pleasant environment where you can walk around in shorts, chat with blokes with similar interests, relax at the beach and indulge in sea side activities and when you get the urge grab a chica and release the tension, if it does'nt work the first time then go out and grab another, then Sosua is your place.[/QUOTE]About the Brazilian women fucking your brains out that all depends on the woman. I was married to a Brazilian woman. She had an amazing body and a superb bubble ass, but she was the most frustrating to have because she was stuck up as hell and selfish and fuck only when she wanted to. I was frustrated sexually most of the time. After I divorce the witch I became a monger.

I speak to BQ regularly and our relationship in the past has kind of been the same as me and Grownman now. I always told him to be a playa but he had two favoritas that he rotated his time with in SD. He cooked meals for them and took them to movies and I thought he was weak for this. He would get in my ass about fucking Sosua skanks. He knew that his happiness was found in one or two good ones and not in the heard. He has a penthouse on the malecon that's awesome. He has schooled me on my mistakes and I wouldn't listen before. Now that I've grown I'm seeing what he was showing me even though I wasn't listening then.

Happy New Year fellas.

Remember Elliott Spitzer paid 4 figures for p4 p per pop. Money is a personal thing. What we pay is what we think the service is worth. I am not a wealthy guy so I manage my affairs so I get the best bang for my buck. Quality of service is very important to me. I take the time create the best enviroment We all now Brazil is great but it costs times what the DR is. I can not swing it on my budget. So I maximize my efforts in the DR and get the best it has to offer which for me aint bad.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663158]I commented on his post and my advice was contrary to yours. Yes, we all pay, and some have more money than others. Sometimes a lot of guys on this board disdain the WU guys on this board, but you have to keep things in perspective. I at times send "chump change" to two of my regulars in the DR like at Christmas. I was never asked by them to send them money, it was something I did without asking. This is far different than the guy who gets roped into sending money every month to a Chica. You said"a wise monger pays less and gets more with less headaches". I say a wise monger pays a little more and get's a lot with no headaches.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663147]I cannot comment because we have two entirely different dynamics. When I read his post (about trying to lock down good pussy at his age because it may be drying up due to him getting older) it's something that I cannot relate to because I am not yet at that age / stage in my life. But who knows? [/QUOTE]Mr G has more insights to give us and I am looking forward to it. However, you can't lock down no pussy in a foreign country. ReRead Chris report. If you are a good customer the chica will clear her calendar for your return. Sending money to a requesting chica is no insurance on any but a request for more money soon after. Mr G told us of his pass ex chicas violating his generosity. He no longer goes this route but he has been there and has matured. The WU Novia route did not work for him. He is in recovery. It does works for some so I am told. I will admit I am on the out side looking in.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663193]Mr G has more insights to give us and I am looking forward to it. However, you can't lock down no pussy in a foreign country. ReRead Chris report. If you are a good customer the chica will clear her calendar for your return. Sending money to a requesting chica is no insurance on any but a request for more money soon after. Mr G told us of his pass ex chicas violating his generosity. He no longer goes this route but he has been there and has matured. The WU Novia route did not work for him. He is in recovery. It does works for some so I am told. I will admit I am on the out side looking in.[/QUOTE]I was thinking would be the board over all opinion on such thing and the effect it has on the relationship / transaction.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663158]I commented on his post and my advice was contrary to yours. Yes, we all pay, and some have more money than others. Sometimes a lot of guys on this board disdain the WU guys on this board, but you have to keep things in perspective. I at times send "chump change" to two of my regulars in the DR like at Christmas. I was never asked by them to send them money, it was something I did without asking. This is far different than the guy who gets roped into sending money every month to a Chica. You said"a wise monger pays less and gets more with less headaches". I say a wise monger pays a little more and get's a lot with no headaches.[/QUOTE]Surfer I (Mr cheap dress buyer) will be the last person to say you shouldn't send give gifts or money to you girlfriends. When a chica lets her performance do the talking I usually reward more. I. though cheap have no problem rewarding and I love surprising a special chica that has my respect. I don't think every monger should be like me. I am still young in the game. I remember one monger saying his chicas threw a surprise birthday party for him. I can definitely see me surprising her on her birthday to go pick up a couple of dollars from Western Union. Wait a minute can you send a couple of dollars. Well anyway. I was referring to these putas requests for money. I have heard it one too many times you get weak and grant their requests. Then they press harder until you give up and either stop talking to them or grant their request again and again. Once again I am on the outside looking in. Newbies I cannot tell you the benefits of sending money at a chicas request. I cannot tell you the benefits of smoking crack only what I've seen and read about. It's not a good ending.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663158]I commented on his post and my advice was contrary to yours. Yes, we all pay, and some have more money than others. Sometimes a lot of guys on this board disdain the WU guys on this board, but you have to keep things in perspective. I at times send "chump change" to two of my regulars in the DR like at Christmas. I was never asked by them to send them money, it was something I did without asking. This is far different than the guy who gets roped into sending money every month to a Chica. You said"a wise monger pays less and gets more with less headaches". I say a wise monger pays a little more and get's a lot with no headaches.[/QUOTE]Although we are all on team monger, each man here has a specific philosophy and strategy that he is employing. I do not send remittances to chicas, but I have met normal upstanding guys who do. Who am I to tell them that they are wrong? I believe in "no string attached" with these girls, but I know many guys who maintain an overseas girlfriend. How can I tell them that it is a bad idea?

On the other hand, I definitely believe that it pays not to be too cheap. It's possible to be too generous, and it's also possible to be too cheap. I blow a lot of money each year on this hobby, and it's a luxury good for me. I do it for the total package of the experience, the camaraderie, the exotic locations, the extreme liberty, etc. At the end of the day, an extra few dollars isn't that important. If I want to save money, then I should stay home.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663106]It's not the big butts that I like it's the phat firm asses with slender waist. Athletically built or TrackStar bodies. Hey Chris draw a mustache and or beard on you chicas and watch surfer go crazy.[/QUOTE]I like me some volleyball asses:

I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.

I want to keep it simple, but. What comes to my mind?

1) People usually appreciate things they earn or work for. And take for granted things they get with no effort.

2) If anything you give has any hint of expecting something in return, then be prepared to be disappointed if your gesture fails to gratify your ego or the recipient is not as GENUINELY appreciative as you had hoped. Or your gesture does not buy you the consideration you had hoped.

Application: If one sends a girl some money, but is doing so for the following reasons: Dude feels his days of enjoying good sex with a hot babe are numbered, rationalizes that it's not a lot of money, is using the money to maintain good relations or lines of communications, these are all emotion based reasons. Responses. Where oh where did the principle of mongering go? Sticking to principle is one of the pillars of monger code, am I right?. Similarly to how pimps succeed in their trade, by sticking to the goal of making money and not falling for the con games, tricks would pull on their pimps. Any sign of weakness contributes to a loss of control, and eventually loss of respect and revenue. The impression you make and your motivation for giving has some impact on how you are perceived.

3) Are the women we want to let our guards down with, are they having sex with other men when we retreat back to our regular lives? Or are their pussies in a holding pattern waiting only for us to get back there to take care of their needs? As one ponders this, what's more important here, satisfying ones emotions or sticking to the principle?

4) What ever happened to paying only when services are rendered? What is sending money WU going to buy you? That you can't get if you didn't send it. Again, just ponder this for a minute.

5) If you didn't send this money, will we find her dead carcass somewhere because you didn't send money? Since when did you become responsible for someones problems when you were never required to or expected to before? Doesn't a yellow or red flag give cause for concern for how you might be perceived as a Mark? Being perceived as someone who can afford to give away money. Personally, I don't want nobody coming to me for money mainly because they think I don't really need it or because I have an abundance of it. And especially since they arent exhausting other options 1st, or willing to do without. Thats principle rearing it's ugly head again.

6) Will honoring an initial request potentially set a dude up for future requests? Mongering experience has the answer to that question?

7) How many other men are being asked to give the same amount of money? Point being, if other men are being asked along with you, one might want to know where their contribution ranks amongst the other guys turn?

8) It's easier for many to succumb to satisfying their egos / emotions, than denying that and doing the work it takes in sticking to a worthwhile principle where the rewards seem non existent. But far more gratifying in the long run. The esotoric few, know this and practice this.

9) If a dude insists on sending money, he is under no obligation to pay twice when he comes to town. But be mindful, paying in advance almost always has one coming up short in terns of returns on ones investment. Like a contractor given 90% for an uncompleted job. It's human nature to lose interest in prioritizing someone when the job was paid but not completed.

10) One of the better assurances of getting what you pay for on a personal level, is to tap into what one is motivated by. But it is better to reward when there is commensurate reciprocation, in the moment. Women are like cats, kids, or relatives who borrow money. They don't always associate behavior in one moment with behavior in another moment. They respond more to what happens in the moment, and forget anything that happens other occasions. You could easily kill a womans motivation for giving you future comfort by paying for her approval of you. Thats exactly what that money may represent to the woman, paid approval. Not a good place for a man to be in, monger or not.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663302]I want to keep it simple, but. What comes to my mind?

10) . Women are like cats, kids, or relatives who borrow money. They don't always associate behavior in one moment with behavior in another moment. They respond more to what happens in the moment, and forget anything that happens other occasions. You could easily kill a womans motivation for giving you future comfort by paying for her approval of you. Thats exactly what that money may represent to the woman, paid approval. Not a good place for a man to be in, monger or not.[/QUOTE]11) WRX2004 AKA Sigmund Freud.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1663219]Although we are all on team monger, each man here has a specific philosophy and strategy that he is employing. I do not send remittances to chicas, but I have met normal upstanding guys who do. Who am I to tell them that they are wrong? I believe in "no string attached" with these girls, but I know many guys who maintain an overseas girlfriend. How can I tell them that it is a bad idea?

On the other hand, I definitely believe that it pays not to be too cheap. It's possible to be too generous, and it's also possible to be too cheap. I blow a lot of money each year on this hobby, and it's a luxury good for me. I do it for the total package of the experience, the camaraderie, the exotic locations, the extreme liberty, etc. At the end of the day, an extra few dollars isn't that important. If I want to save money, then I should stay home.[/QUOTE]What have I started here? Its all good because its a thought inspiring conversation. Everyone's opinion counts because someone is going to get something out of it. Your last two sentences sums up my feelings perfectly.

I never understand why dudes send girls Western Union. I'm a Gringo but I was never a stupid Gringo. One thing I know about girls is that if they really love you don't need to send her any money. Or like the Old Timers, if you want too keep Fake People around you always, Act Broke!

People generally would be impressed or appreciative of someone who helped them, moreso when that person sacrificed to do so. One who shares their last. But how appreciative would a recipient be towards someone who appears rich compared to themselves? In other words, if one with significantly less than you asks you for money, do they regard your compliance as someone who sacrificed to do so? Or would your compliance be looked at as you got it like that, and therefore aint losing anything. Resulting in the recipient not really appreciating the offering? And your offering considered insignificant. Oh they may perform to make the right impression, and many are quick to be impressed by acting and doing subtle things, but do they really appreciate the unearned reward that was bestowed upon them?

It seems we as mongers are more impressed by simple stuff done for us from those who have less, than those having less being impressed by what we do for them. Something to think about. Want to be appreciated? Want your gifts to matter? Don't give more (especially unearned), give wisely.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663328] Your compliance be looked at as you got it like that, and therefore aint losing anything. Resulting in the recipient not really appreciating the offering? And your offering considered insignificant. Oh they may perform to make the right impression, and many are quick to be impressed by acting and doing subtle things, but do they really appreciate the unearned reward that was bestowed upon them?

It seems we as mongers are more impressed by simple stuff done for us from those who have less, than those having less being impressed by what we do for them. Something to think about. Want to be appreciated? Want your gifts to matter? Don't give more (especially unearned), give wisely.[/QUOTE]1) I think this is the mentality of the most of the people that deal with tourist in the DR.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1663153].
We will have many years together in this game brother and I can see in the near future you emailing me telling you found"The one" [/QUOTE]I had a girlfriend that asked me if she can give me everything I need in a woman will I have the need to cheat on her. I responded hell no I don't have to go and find another Chick you will be searching and bringing the new bitches home. She did say give me everything I need in a woman.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1663174]I speak to BQ regularly and our relationship in the past has kind of been the same as me and Grownman now. I always told him to be a playa but he had two favoritas that he rotated his time with in SD. He cooked meals for them and took them to movies and I thought he was weak for this. He would get in my ass about fucking Sosua skanks. He knew that his happiness was found in one or two good ones and not in the heard. He has a penthouse on the malecon that's awesome. He has schooled me on my mistakes and I wouldn't listen before. Now that I've grown I'm seeing what he was showing me even though I wasn't listening then.

Happy New Year fellas.[/QUOTE]So that is that light at the end of the tunnel; I will be 10 years older than Charles P by the time I get there.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663328]People generally would be impressed or appreciative of someone who helped them, moreso when that person sacrificed to do so. One who shares their last. But how appreciative would a recipient be towards someone who appears rich compared to themselves? In other words, if one with significantly less than you asks you for money, do they regard your compliance as someone who sacrificed to do so? Or would your compliance be looked at as you got it like that, and therefore aint losing anything. Resulting in the recipient not really appreciating the offering? And your offering considered insignificant. Oh they may perform to make the right impression, and many are quick to be impressed by acting and doing subtle things, but do they really appreciate the unearned reward that was bestowed upon them?

It seems we as mongers are more impressed by simple stuff done for us from those who have less, than those having less being impressed by what we do for them. Something to think about. Want to be appreciated? Want your gifts to matter? Don't give more (especially unearned), give wisely.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to step into this debate. I respect your ability to size up different situations from different angles and come to a logical conclusion but my approach is more basic. I never think about if the girl thinks about my generosity being appreciated because I give freely. I can always no. If she comes when I call her and acts as if she wants to be there and shows me the time of my life, why would I care if she appreciates my hard earned money that I gave freely? Its basic to me, do what I want, how I want, and I will be generous, its not complicated why make it so? Its seems some of us put ourselves on a pedestal and wave the money around asking for things because they are poor. I know you are going to eat that up as being contradictory, but let me explain. I don't look at it as if I'm doing them a favor because they are poor. I look at it as I'm paying them to fulfill my fantasy, nothing more. The benefit about travel for this fantasy is that I'm able to disconnect and go back to my regular life at any time. In America its not that easy to disconnect and live in America without repercussions. Maybe she makes problems in your household or on your job etc. With that said, eventually you will come across one that might be worth more of an investment. Her feelings about how hard I work for my money don't matter to me because its peanuts to me because she is making me happy. Isn't that all that matters? WRX you are right about some things, for instance her tells should be analyzed. Does she spend to much time on the phone? Does she appear uncomfortable with you? Does she rush during sex? Does she make everything, about my happiness at that moment? But does she appreciate how hard I worked for this money is none of her business.

If I'm a trust fund baby or a sanitation worker doesn't play into this as long as she fulfills my fantasy. We tend to want to size up the girl beyond the basics. Its as if we are looking for something to use to our advantage to keep this poor girl in check. For me its not about that because that takes it away from why I travel for this fantasy.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663342]I had a girlfriend that asked me if she can give me everything I need in a woman will I have the need to cheat on her. I responded hell no I don't have to go and find another Chick you will be searching and bringing the new bitches home. She did say give me everything I need in a woman.[/QUOTE]Your not leaning yet grasshopper! New pussy will play out when you discover real pussy. Right now you are just going through the motions trying to get a high count but quality will win out over quantity eventually. In boxing terms; you are just in the preliminary rounds the championship rounds will come. Its levels to this shit!

[QUOTE=Jtdbusiness;1663282]I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.[/QUOTE]I enjoyed the tourist sites in the Capitol and experiencing what BC offered, but Sosua definitely has more women and was much more fun.

[QUOTE=Jtdbusiness;1663282]I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.[/QUOTE]Sosua, hands down. One you are on the ground there and surrounded by all those chicas you will forget about those online contacts, LOL. Trust me. I've tried it many times, but pussy "here and now" always beats "maybe pussy", AKA "A bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush".

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663112]That is definitely not the sentiment if you read the last page and a half in the forum. Mostly everyone is saying the exact opposite. You even have guys suggesting to others that they need to go as far as Brazil and Argentina for better service (either destination doesn't sound like a bad idea either).

In my observation it seems that the further you get away from the USA/USA Tourists en mass, the better attitude the women will have.

Sosua: Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.

San Jose (Costa Rica): Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.

The places that are too far to have a large USA Tourists presence don't have as many complaints as the two places listed above. Sure, there will be a handful of p4 p women who will turn out to be duds, but I haven't seen it as prevalent as the DR or CR.

[/QUOTE]Totally on the money. It may very well be not the DR women themselves but their corruption by American men that is causing their bad performance. Tens of thousands of American men visit the DR on a regular basis due to its close proximity. I am not too enamoured of the service I get in Tijuana as well. I would imagine that a Dominicana who has not yet encountered an American should be good GFE. I have not yet been to Cuba but I have to get there before the influx.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1663324]Or like the Old Timers, If you want too keep Fake People around you always.

Act Broke![/QUOTE]You fucked up the saying, LOL. It's "if you want to keep fake people from being around you, act broke. ".

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1663166]About the Brazilian women fucking your brains out that all depends on the woman. I was married to a Brazilian woman. She had an amazing body and a superb bubble ass, but she was the most frustrating to have because she was stuck up as hell and selfish and fuck only when she wanted to. I was frustrated sexually most of the time. After I divorce the witch I became a monger.[/QUOTE]I've never had a relationship with a Brazilian woman. My first encounter with a Brazilian provider was in NYC in the early 70's. She gave me the best sex I had in my life up to that time. I had wondered then if all Brazilian women were like that. Years later I visited Rio and discovered that what I had experienced was the norm for Brazilian providers. Of all the countries in which I have hobbied I have had the best experiences in Brazil. What I like about female cariocas is that they truly enjoy what they do unlike many providers from the DR, Mexico, Costa Rica etc. Marriage seems to bring out the worst in some women. My neighbor broke up with his American GF some years ago and took up with a Dominican immigrant with whom he now lives and they seem to be quite happy together, I recently noticed that she is pregnant. Relationships is a more interpersonal thing and is different from mongering.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663495]You fucked up the saying, LOL. It's "if you want to keep fake people from being around you, act broke. ".[/QUOTE]If you want to keep ALL people from being around you act broke.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663158]I commented on his post and my advice was contrary to yours. Yes, we all pay, and some have more money than others. Sometimes a lot of guys on this board disdain the WU guys on this board, but you have to keep things in perspective. I at times send "chump change" to two of my regulars in the DR like at Christmas. I was never asked by them to send them money, it was something I did without asking. This is far different than the guy who gets roped into sending money every month to a Chica. You said"a wise monger pays less and gets more with less headaches". I say a wise monger pays a little more and get's a lot with no headaches.[/QUOTE]I think I understand where you are coming from. And I relate to that. In my previous post, I talked about one sending money without expectations. Giving a chica friend a Christmas gift without having expectations that that money is buying you some future reward, now that makes sense. In this instance, you may not be concerned about whether they appreciate it or not. But you may figure the gesture will be received in a positive light. Likely no harm, no foul.

In my previous post, I was talking about how a guy can get caught up thinking he is going to lose some chicas interest or attention if he doesn't comply with a request. Especially a request of him when he isn't there with the woman. The emphasis isn't on whether or not the female appreciates the man complying. The emphasis is on the mans motivation for complying. Is it out of concern of losing the womans interest / superior sexual performance? If so, that's not a good position for a man to be in. I will try to elaborate later, when I attempt to address Mr G's post.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1663353]Your not leaning yet grasshopper! New pussy will play out when you discover real pussy. Right now you are just going through the motions trying to get a high count but quality will win out over quantity eventually. In boxing terms; you are just in the preliminary rounds the championship rounds will come. Its levels to this shit![/QUOTE]LOL so says the man who refuse to get married. My brother I am past the quantity itself game but I still love nu nu. That's why I can only give Sosua a couple of days. I have yet to have a happy hour even though I've been proposition many of times. I don't think there's any quality in that route. I don't like mixing Chardonnay with Merlot just to say I drunk a lot of wine. There are a lot of young women here in my small town waiting for me to slip and settle. However they don't understand the quality I get in the DR minus the bullshit. Last night I put one in the air, read some trip reports, and went to sleep as the new year came in- fuck going out. I will wait until I'm in my quality zone where women are extremely young. My pockets can compensate the age difference and my understanding of this sport can avoid headaches. Guys like you, Ghostface, Olkool, Charles, BQK, DeepImpact, TomJ, Savepro, Sigmund Freud, BoricuaOnline, Camero, and Fannie (yes you too Willona. Good times get it. Of course not) have fast tracked me and a lot us in cycles 1 & 2. If you plan on being with a good chica I can respect the need for a slight investment for future hope. They do it in the church all the time, Fresh is happy. However when it comes to a chicas RFM, if your philosophical value does not have practical purposes aligned with her you lose big. Not just the chump change but the principles of the practical value along with your heart.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1663500]If you want to keep ALL people from being around you act broke.[/QUOTE]AAin't that the damn truth. in Boca Chica I asked the bums for money before they asked me. I always remind them I gave last time now it's your turn. If you can't return the favor don't talk to me no more you are useless. They avoid you like to plague when you remind them they owe you something.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1663500]If you want to keep ALL people from being around you act broke.[/QUOTE]LOL no kidding! When I go to work dressed for success the panhandlers always want to hit me up for money. But if I have on some sweat pants and a hoodie they leave me alone LOL!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1663348]I'm willing to step into this debate. I respect your ability to size up different situations from different angles and come to a logical conclusion but my approach is more basic. I never think about if the girl thinks about my generosity being appreciated because I give freely. I can always no. If she comes when I call her and acts as if she wants to be there and shows me the time of my life, why would I care if she appreciates my hard earned money that I gave freely? Its basic to me, do what I want, how I want, and I will be generous, its not complicated why make it so? Its seems some of us put ourselves on a pedestal and wave the money around asking for things because they are poor. I know you are going to eat that up as being contradictory, but let me explain. I don't look at it as if I'm doing them a favor because they are poor. I look at it as I'm paying them to fulfill my fantasy, nothing more. The benefit about travel for this fantasy is that I'm able to disconnect and go back to my regular life at any time. In America its not that easy to disconnect and live in America without repercussions. Maybe she makes problems in your household or on your job etc. With that said, eventually you will come across one that might be worth more of an investment. Her feelings about how hard I work for my money don't matter to me because its peanuts to me because she is making me happy. Isn't that all that matters? WRX you are right about some things, for instance her tells should be analyzed. Does she spend to much time on the phone? Does she appear uncomfortable with you? Does she rush during sex? Does she make everything, about my happiness at that moment? But does she appreciate how hard I worked for this money is none of her business.

If I'm a trust fund baby or a sanitation worker doesn't play into this as long as she fulfills my fantasy. We tend to want to size up the girl beyond the basics. Its as if we are looking for something to use to our advantage to keep this poor girl in check. For me its not about that because that takes it away from why I travel for this fantasy.[/QUOTE]I apologize for the fact that you probably submitted a comprehensive trip report in the Cuba section, and the answers to my inquiries are probably there. But I'm curious. Aside from you paying for dinner and liquor for everybody, did you give Anna any money or compensation for all of that time she spent with you? I mean before you left Cuba to go home? If not, I can see how she might feel she has to make up for not getting compensated for her time.

Had you worked out any arrangement or discussed anything about compensating her? Probably not! Throughout your time with Anna, even if she never point blank asked you for money, did she ever discuss with you areas where she needs things or money? Not asking directly, but telling you some of her life problems and needs? Moreover, You haven't been with this women for months or years. How likely would it be that eventually you were going to learn as much as she wanted you to know about her shortcomings in life, and where one could help if they wanted to?

What is interesting to me, is that even though she didn't ask for anything while you were together, she didn't waste any time getting around to being direct after you left. A question arises from that; is her not asking for anything when you were together as impressive to you now, since she finally came out and asked directly? For me, I would regard my 1st impression as just me not knowing the girl was playing the waiting game. Not that she really didn't want anything from me. She did want something from me all along. She was just fulfilling my fantasy and not destroying the vibe. Maybe she was hoping for compensation before you left without having to ask. Many young women expect that from dudes older than them.

Are we taking an analytical approach of dealing with Cuba chica as if they are Dr chica. In fac aren't these two chica oranges and apples. The Cuban chica prostitution is not legal. The society is communist. There are many restrictions on their citizens. They really don't deal with American foreigners. Education is free and endorse by the government. They are poor and proud people. They have very little Western influence for years. their country alone is considered the Virgin of the Caribbean. A large percentage of the population is employed by the government. The Cuban people embraces all aspects of their heritage as a sense of pride.
The Dr chica prostitution is legal and big business for a lot of unemployed girls. They have a lot more liberal society. Education falls short for the average citizen. They are majorly influenced by our Western ways. Many are poor and proud but not too proud to beg. In Sosua a lot of girls learn English from the streets. The chicas learn to be hustlers at a young age as a means to provide. A large percentage of the population is unemployed. There is a systematic program already in place for them to cater, hustle, and/or manipulate tourist. The Dominican chica do not embrace their African or Native Dominican heritage only their Spanish. They have no pride in their reflection.
Mr G you may say its pussy but I think it's more that you found a young lady that was educated, culturally aware, sexy, freaky, a squirter clean, and enjoyed pleasing you. It was not all business it was more like - let me show you what I like when you're f****** me daddy. Who the hell wouldn't want to keep a hold of her. Gas6459 is this the reason why you called it a no-brainer and was so quick to take her off Mr G hands. You normally stay quiet in the woods however you jumped out head first on this
Mr G you have had the honors of going to Cuba a place monger rarely go to. One day soon we will have an opportunity to see things through our eyes.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663509]I apologize for the fact that you probably submitted a comprehensive trip report in the Cuba section, and the answers to my inquiries are probably there. But I'm curious. Aside from you paying for dinner and liquor for everybody, did you give Anna any money or compensation for all of that time she spent with you? I mean before you left Cuba to go home? If not, I can see how she might feel she has to make up for not getting compensated for her time.

Had you worked out any arrangement or discussed anything about compensating her? Probably not! Throughout your time with Anna, even if she never point blank asked you for money, did she ever discuss with you areas where she needs things or money? Not asking directly, but telling you some of her life problems and needs? Moreover, You haven't been with this women for months or years. How likely would it be that eventually you were going to learn as much as she wanted you to know about her shortcomings in life, and where one could help if they wanted to?

What is interesting to me, is that even though she didn't ask for anything while you were together, she didn't waste any time getting around to being direct after you left. A question arises from that; is her not asking for anything when you were together as impressive to you now, since she finally came out and asked directly? For me, I would regard my 1st impression as just me not knowing the girl was playing the waiting game. Not that she really didn't want anything from me. She did want something from me all along. She was just fulfilling my fantasy and not destroying the vibe. Maybe she was hoping for compensation before you left without having to ask. Many young women expect that from dudes older than them.[/QUOTE]My first time with Anna she never asked for anything and I never offered, I ditched her for the rest of that trip. The second time she never asked but I slid 30 cuc (about 35 usd) into her purse before she left. What I think happened is that some family members got to her after she probably bragged about her new boyfriend and the family applied the pressure. Interesting though is that she didn't resort to Dominican tactics when I turned her request down. I've had Dominicanas say"I will have to fuck another guy if you don't help me", and "My family says your no good if you don't help me", these tactics kill any vibe we might have had and is my reason to split.

These Cuban women don't beg and use the sob stories like the DR girls do. Understand its a military state where they are told what to do and how to act. A tout can get a year and a day for talking to a tourist. They are strong people who are accustomed to doing without and overcoming all odds against them I have never met more determined people. I took a girl in Cuba an old digital camera that didn't work. She would email me every week saying it was almost fixed and that she was still figuring it out. She said Cubans find a way. Ill be damned if she didn't fix that old as broke phone. Education is free and there are no jobs, so instead of fixing shit some stay in school. The only relationship they have had with foreigners are the Russian and euro guys from the past, they haven't gotten used to hustling Americans on the regular. Damn a report just popped up by GM saying everything I wrote. But WRX you need to go to Cuba soon.

All that is about to change now.

Mr G's key points, I will respond to:

[QUOTE]I don't look at it as if I'm doing them a favor because they are poor. I look at it as I'm paying them to fulfill my fantasy, nothing more. The benefit about travel for this fantasy is that I'm able to disconnect and go back to my regular life at any time. In America its not that easy to disconnect and live in America without repercussions. Maybe she makes problems in your household or on your job etc. With that said, eventually you will come across one that might be worth more of an investment. Her feelings about how hard I work for my money don't matter to me because its peanuts to me because she is making me happy. Isn't that all that matters?

We tend to want to size up the girl beyond the basics. Its as if we are looking for something to use to our advantage to keep this poor girl in check. For me its not about that because that takes it away from why I travel for this fantasy.

As we get older we don't really care about principal as much as we care about finding our happiness. Principal can be based on how you want other people to perceive you. Your friend Fresh is kicking out about 13 k a year to find his happiness, and I respect that, but 120 a few times a year for great sex is respectable for me. This coming from a chica who never asks for money when I'm there.

The four of us went for dinner (I paid) and then for a walk among the historical sites in Havana. At dinner the niece (lets call her Anna) didn't even know how to cut her meat with a knife, I had to help her. See she was from a little country town outside of Havana. We stopped and got some liquor (I paid) and went to the casa. We partied till 2 am and had a great time.

Anna called me before Thanksgiving asking for 120 dollars and I stopped taking her calls refusing her request. I haven't talked to her until last week when I got soft and called to wish her Merry Christmas. She was so excited she screamed and then cried. I was thinking that I almost lost the best sex partner I've ever had over 120 lousy dollars. Parkinsons report made me evaluate the situation. I'm approaching middle age and good sex might not be available as I'm getting older, do I stick with the hour fucks with a condom in Sosua or do I make an investment in this good pussy? I'm headed back to Cuba soon and realize I have to spend money to maintain my contacts and good pussy, but will I do it?[/QUOTE]All of those parts that you wrote gave me cause to reflect on. I was thinking about how you said you are paying for a fantasy, not doing them a favor because they are poor. Now when Anna asked for the $120 and you refused, it appears that sending money was not part of your fantasy. But somehow you made a connection that not sending her the money could potentially mean you losing the best sex partner you ever had, over not sending $120. What did you mean by that?

Now if you meant losing her because you stopped taking her calls, that's one thing. But if you mean you think you would have lost her because you didn't comply with a request for $120, that's a totally different perspective. IMHO, that goes totally against monger logic. Because there is nothing wrong with paying for services or fantasies when they are rendered. Paying forward for services unearned does not guarantee future consideration or performance. After all the performance you got came without giving her $120, correct? If Anna was to stop dealing with you just because you didn't send money, that should be a red flag about what she is really about.

It seems like you are applying both perspectives. You stopped taking her calls, and you refused her request. My concern here is, you are approaching a milestone, but since when does fulfilling ones happiness outshine the principle of an issue, for any man? I always thought as we get older, we are supposed to apply principles more due to increased wisdom and discipline. Perhaps by the time one becomes handicapped and totally dependent on others, then we find ourselves being more selfish and less principled. You are far from that category.

Going back to my original focus: How is she or was she making you happy or fulfilling your fantasy once you returned to your home base? As you said, once you are home you've disconnected. She is in Cuba and you are in the US. You are not living a fantasy with her anymore. If you gave her no money (after all you enjoyed with her) before you left for the states, then you sending her money makes sense. It allows you to compensate her for her time. The man / woman transaction is complete. And it affords you some consideration once you return. But if you gave no compensation when you were together, and refused to send money, she could write you off as a freeloading dude who thinks buying dinners and liquor will get him some free juice. Or at the very least put you on the low priority list when you return. However if she has no other options, and you bring life to her emptiness, then you don't really need to send $120. What she benefits with you being there is probably enough. BTW, your fantasy was fulfilled through her while you were together, and you didn't give her money, correct? Why should that be any different when you return? Is it because you dont think of her as any different than most women who expect to be compensated by a man for their time? No finance?, no romance?

Last point. I'm sure you read me write one of my sayings before. We can only think in one head. Applying it here. What we think in our heads, does not mean the woman is responding or reciprocating accordingly. In other words, a man paying a woman $120 when he isn't with her for maintaining his fantasy, does not mean she is receiving the money and applying it the way he sees it in his head. She may have a totally different idea in her head of what the money means to her, than what it means to you, in your head.

Potentially resulting in you not necessarily getting what you think you are paying for when you return, or in the long run. Somewhere down the road, there may be diminishing returns on that investment. It's just a matter of time to see it unfold. All in all, you know the situation and the woman better than anybody here, and are in a much better position to evaluate what's working from what isn't.

Other than that, we all have the right to enjoy our fantasies and deal with our own fallacies in judgement of others, and at the same time deal with any backlash or consequences. When we are done, we can wake up and get back on track when we feel like it. So enjoy it for what it is worth to you, and for as long as it lasts!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663509]Aside from you paying for dinner and liquor for everybody, did you give Anna any money or compensation for all of that time she spent with you? I mean before you left Cuba to go home? If not, I can see how she might feel she has to make up for not getting compensated for her time.

Had you worked out any arrangement or discussed anything about compensating her? Probably not! Throughout your time with Anna, even if she never point blank asked you for money, did she ever discuss with you areas where she needs things or money? Not asking directly, but telling you some of her life problems and needs? Moreover, You haven't been with this women for months or years. How likely would it be that eventually you were going to learn as much as she wanted you to know about her shortcomings in life, and where one could help if they wanted to?

What is interesting to me, is that even though she didn't ask for anything while you were together, she didn't waste any time getting around to being direct after you left. A question arises from that; is her not asking for anything when you were together as impressive to you now, since she finally came out and asked directly? For me, I would regard my 1st impression as just me not knowing the girl was playing the waiting game. Not that she really didn't want anything from me. She did want something from me all along. She was just fulfilling my fantasy and not destroying the vibe. Maybe she was hoping for compensation before you left without having to ask. Many young women expect that from dudes older than them.[/QUOTE]I'm stealing this and posting it in the Opinions American Women forum! You have just supported ForceSteeler's position (I think he was the one that said it) that all women are just undercover pros. Also supports my theory in that relationships and marriage is a waste of time.

However, Mr. Gogo was not dealing with a prostitute in Cuba, but your post about him "compensating her for her time" makes her sound just like one, hahaha. This also backs up Mr. E's argument about turning "non-pros" into pros. If you have a quote unquote "non-pro", yet still give her money because you figure she expects to be compensated for the time she spent with you, haven't you just turned your non-pro into a full-fledged pro?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663112]In my observation it seems that the further you get away from the USA/USA Tourists en mass, the better attitude the women will have.

Sosua: Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.San Jose (Costa Rica): Lots of American tourists in one location. Chicas with shitty attitudes and poor/rushed service.The places that are too far to have a large USA Tourists presence don't have as many complaints as the two places listed above. Sure, there will be a handful of p4 p women who will turn out to be duds, but I haven't seen it as prevalent as the DR or CR.[/QUOTE]Having worked in Thailand, Phils and primarily "over there" on the other side of the world, I can DEFINITELY say you will get GFE OVER THERE. I felt safer in recently bombed Nairobi, Kenya than in Sousua. GFE from the most bootyful women you will ever meet, and there are millions in Nairobi. Pinays are the sweetest women in the world by nature. Just look at how they pose so willingly for pics while bare assed and being shagged in that forum. I got a very bad taste for Sousua. I bought one biatch a beer and she thought she owned me. I only monger in this hemisphere when I'm stuck in the states for an extended period.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663518]Are we taking an analytical approach of dealing with Cuba chica as if they are Dr chica. In fac aren't these two chica oranges and apples. The Cuban chica prostitution is not legal. The society is communist. There are many restrictions on their citizens. They really don't deal with American foreigners. Education is free and endorse by the government. They are poor and proud people. They have very little Western influence for years. their country alone is considered the Virgin of the Caribbean. A large percentage of the population is employed by the government. The Cuban people embraces all aspects of their heritage as a sense of pride.
The Dr chica prostitution is legal and big business for a lot of unemployed girls. They have a lot more liberal society. Education falls short for the average citizen. They are majorly influenced by our Western ways. Many are poor and proud but not too proud to beg. In Sosua a lot of girls learn English from the streets. The chicas learn to be hustlers at a young age as a means to provide. A large percentage of the population is unemployed. There is a systematic program already in place for them to cater, hustle, and/or manipulate tourist. The Dominican chica do not embrace their African or Native Dominican heritage only their Spanish.
Mr G you may say its pussy but I think it's more that you found a young lady that was educated, culturally aware, sexy, freaky, a squirter clean, and enjoyed pleasing you. It was not all business it was more like - let me show you what I like when you're f****** me daddy. Who the hell wouldn't want to keep a hold of her. Gas6459 is this the reason why you called it a no-brainer and was so quick to take her off Mr G hands. You normally stay quiet in the woods however you jumped out head first on this
Mr G you have had the honors of going to Cuba a place we rarely go to. One day soon we will have an opportunity to see things through our eyes.[/QUOTE]Prostitution seems to be engrained in the psychy of many women even if prostitution is not legal where they come from. In civilized terms, in order not to offend women, we often refrain from calling it prostitution, we call it a woman desiring security from a man. But no matter what you call it, if a woman thinks or feels a man should compensate her for her time (sex or no sex) the basic premise of paying to play is being manifested on some level. Ever hear women talk about their expenses of beautifying themselves? They try to say they did all of that for our benefit. What you do to prepare for them, don't mean jack. What you sacrifice to be with them, don't mean jack to them.

For women that are poor or have significantly less than some foreigner visiting their country, it's a no brainer. He is GENERALLY expected to pay or compensate a woman for her time. There are exceptions of course. But the majority likely expect a man to take the lead when it comes to providing resources. We all know the easiest test with a woman. Don't give her any money or use your resources in her regard, and see how long she'll stick around. Women universally classify men as being cheap, when those men don't meet their expectation $.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663502]
In my previous post, I was talking about how a guy can get caught up thinking he is going to lose some chicas interest or attention if he doesn't comply with a request. Especially a request of him when he isn't there with the woman. The emphasis isn't on whether or not the female appreciates the man complying. The emphasis is on the mans motivation for complying. Is it out of concern of losing the womans interest / superior sexual performance? If so, that's not a good position for a man to be in. I will try to elaborate later, when I attempt to address Mr G's post.[/QUOTE]Prior to my Thanksgiving trip to Medellin I had a regular that I bang a least once per trip (so like 8 times now) ask me for money via Whatsapp. I lied and told her that I didn't have the money because I was caring for a family member that had cancer.

I will admit that the thought of her not wanting to see me next trip because I did not send her any money did cross my mind, but two facts overruled my thinking:

1) There are way too many chicas that give good "Juice" (the term you like to use often) to be concerned with just one. Last trip I knocked down 20 chicas and still had about 5 I couldn't get around to because of time constraints.

2) I would feel like a sucker if I sent her the money (it was a nominal amount: $50 USD) and then when I got there she gave me excuses why she couldn't visit me or turned her phone off.

In the end I did not send her any money and still banged her back out when I got into town.

But these are examples of my dealings with Pros. Which is why I told GrownMan I could not speak on Mr. Gogo's post much because he was not dealing with a hooker. I have pros with some fine ass friends and family members on FB. Some of them are not in the game. I asked my one amigas if she would introduce me to her cousin and she told me: "Amor, ella es una chica muy seria. Tiene un novio y ella no sale con nadie." Translated, her cousin is not a pro, has a boyfriend, and would not be interested in p4p. But man her cousin is hella fyne! If I were tapping that ass as her boyfriend and she asked me to send her $120, that request might be hard to turn down my friend, hahaha.

I am loving this conversation and the different points of view. The topic of money and how we spend it is a very subjective issue. Recently I was in Santiago with a chica without a job who was reportedly a student, in my experience that is often an open door for a semi pro. At no time did we discuss money and there were only subtle hints about sex. We did a TLN on our second date and when we woke up in the morning I was still not sure about how to handle the money so I put 2 k in my pocket before I walked her outside to get a cab. I paid the taxi and nothing was said about money. We have whatsapped a few times and money has not come up.

Generally under the aforementioned circumstances a "regalo de dinero" would be expected but we have to be careful not to turn civilian, non pros into semi-pros. One of the disadvantages to being a monger is often equating sex to money more often than not it is but it felt good to experience the difference. Going forward I am going to be very sensitive as to whether money is appropriate and how much.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663530]I'm stealing this and posting it in the Opinions American Women forum! You have just supported ForceSteeler's position (I think he was the one that said it) that all women are just undercover pros. Also supports my theory in that relationships and marriage is a waste of time.

However, Mr. Gogo was not dealing with a prostitute in Cuba, but your post about him "compensating her for her time" makes her sound just like one, hahaha. This also backs up Mr. E's argument about turning "non-pros" into pros. If you have a quote unquote "non-pro", yet still give her money because you figure she expects to be compensated for the time she spent with you, haven't you just turned your non-pro into a full-fledged pro?[/QUOTE]My post may have given that impression. But Mr G's own words add up to making it sound that way. When he said he was paying her for his fantasy, not because he thinks she may be poor. That right there tells what he feels he can do to faciliate getting what he is looking for.

So you see, even Mr G seems to allude to the woman being compensated in order to fulfill his fantasy. We don't have to call it anything. It is what it is? One person wants something from another, and is willing to pay (compensate) someone who is providing it. If it isn't about compensation, p4 p, or prostitution, why would any man need to do anything more than simply return there and do exactly what he did the 1st time? Which is simply enjoy the woman. Why would any man feel he might miss out on the best sex partner he ever had, over not sending money? So SP, I'm merely an inquirer because there are many parts of that situation I don't know. I'm not really trying to make full judgment on so little information. But what was provided does give reason to wonder.

I am not sure what you guys are doing, I feel safer in Sosua then in most US cities. There are a couple hundred girls willing to have sex for less then $40. How you guys manage to find the few that are scam artist blows my mind. A blind squirrel can find a nut in Sosua. Filing to Africa is 5 times the price of going to the DR. I know you are not getting the concentration of women in one place.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1663534]Having worked in Thailand, Phils and primarily "over there" on the other side of the world, I can DEFINITELY say you will get GFE OVER THERE. I felt safer in recently bombed Nairobi, Kenya than in Sousua. GFE from the most bootyful women you will ever meet, and there are millions in Nairobi. Pinays are the sweetest women in the world by nature. Just look at how they pose so willingly for pics while bare assed and being shagged in that forum. I got a very bad taste for Sousua. I bought one biatch a beer and she thought she owned me. I only monger in this hemisphere when I'm stuck in the states for an extended period.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663503]LOL so says the man who refuse to get married. My brother I am past the quantity itself game but I still love nu nu. That's why I can only give Sosua a couple of days. I have yet to have a happy hour even though I've been proposition many of times. I don't think there's any quality in that route. I don't like mixing Chardonnay with Merlot just to say I drunk a lot of wine. There are a lot of young women here in my small town waiting for me to slip and settle. However they don't understand the quality I get in the DR minus the bullshit. Last night I put one in the air, read some trip reports, and went to sleep as the new year came in- fuck going out. I will wait until I'm in my quality zone where women are extremely young. My pockets can compensate the age difference and my understanding of this sport can avoid headaches. Guys like you, Ghostface, Olkool, Charles, BQK, DeepImpact, TomJ, Savepro, Sigmund Freud, BoricuaOnline, Camero, and Fannie (yes you too Willona. Good times get it. Of course not) have fast tracked me and a lot us in cycles 1 & 2. If you plan on being with a good chica I can respect the need for a slight investment for future hope. They do it in the church all the time, Fresh is happy. However when it comes to a chicas RFM, if your philosophical value does not have practical purposes aligned with her you lose big. Not just the chump change but the principles of the practical value along with your heart.[/QUOTE]I'm lost here with all your jargon, fast tracking in cycles 1 & 2 ?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663539]


If I were tapping that ass as her boyfriend and she asked me to send her $120, that request might be hard to turn down my friend, hahaha.[/QUOTE]Me too Pro Pimpin. It's the snowball effect after granting the first request I am scared of. I had a cousin that was going through financial difficulties about 3 months ago. She needed $500 and came to me. I granted her request because I know for sure she was getting at least 6000 in December. We agreed she will give me my money when she received her check. She has hit cash 3 at least three times before the month of December however, she didn't give me one dime toward the money she owe me. Not not her fault I took the risk. December came and she gave me my money. She didn't give it to me on the day she received her 6000 but a week afterwards. That was a risky thing but I'm a sucker for friends and family members. I saw her in the mall yesterday buying some stuff at the last minute for New Years. She stopped me and told me she might need to borrow a 1000 from me for her car and she will pay me back income tax time. She just had well over six thousand dollars three weeks ago. I hate the snowball effect of being generous. I dislike the idea of people basing paying me when they receive their income taxes. Like that's some guaranteed money.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663560]Me too Pro Pimpin. It's the snowball effect after granting the first request I am scared of. I had a cousin that was going through financial difficulties about 3 months ago. She needed $500 and came to me. I granted her request because I know for sure she was getting at least 6000 in December. We agreed she will give me my money when she received her check. She has hit cash 3 at least three times before the month of December however, she didn't give me one dime toward the money she owe me. Not not her fault I took the risk. December came and she gave me my money. She didn't give it to me on the day she received her 6000 but a week afterwards. That was a risky thing but I'm a sucker for friends and family members. I saw her in the mall yesterday buying some stuff at the last minute for New Years. She stopped me and told me she might need to borrow a 1000 from me for her car and she will pay me back income tax time. She just had well over six thousand dollars three weeks ago. I hate the snowball effect of being generous. I dislike the idea of people basing paying me when they receive their income taxes. Like that's some guaranteed money.[/QUOTE]Like the saying goes: "Family will be the first to fuck you over", LOL.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663539]Prior to my Thanksgiving trip to Medellin I had a regular that I bang a least once per trip (so like 8 times now) ask me for money via Whatsapp. I lied and told her that I didn't have the money because I was caring for a family member that had cancer.

I will admit that the thought of her not wanting to see me next trip because I did not send her any money did cross my mind, but two facts overruled my thinking:

1) There are way too many chicas that give good "Juice" (the term you like to use often) to be concerned with just one. Last trip I knocked down 20 chicas and still had about 5 I couldn't get around to because of time constraints.

2) I would feel like a sucker if I sent her the money (it was a nominal amount: $50 USD) and then when I got there she gave me excuses why she couldn't visit me or turned her phone off.

In the end I did not send her any money and still banged her back out when I got into town.

But these are examples of my dealings with Pros. Which is why I told GrownMan I could not speak on Mr. Gogo's post much because he was not dealing with a hooker. I have pros with some fine ass friends and family members on FB. Some of them are not in the game. I asked my one amigas if she would introduce me to her cousin and she told me: "Amor, ella es una chica muy seria. Tiene un novio y ella no sale con nadie." Translated, her cousin is not a pro, has a boyfriend, and would not be interested in p4p. But man her cousin is hella fyne! If I were tapping that ass as her boyfriend and she asked me to send her $120, that request might be hard to turn down my friend, hahaha.[/QUOTE]Thats what I thought was a concern for Mr G, that the chica would not want to see him again because he didn't send his friend the money. However two things happened in their exchange. One is he stopped taking her calls, and Two, refused to send money. His loss could easily be attributed to how he handled the matter, not because he didn't send money. But his focus appears to be on the $120 when I think his focus should be on how he blocked communication.

The things that overruled your thinking may be different for Mr G, since his experience with Cuban women is still developing. By the time Mr G returns, he'll have the opportunity to see how the woman responds to him. He may find that she has not changed one bit. That the money was never a priority? And perhaps the issue is really Mr G is evolving from something he is used to with women, and going into somewhat unfamiliar territory with Cuban women (or just that Cuban woman)?

Like you, I think Mr G will be right where he left off with that young lady when he returns (even without sending money). Banging her to his hearts content, and living his fantasy. But it's true. Many guys don't want to push the envelope, testing a womans loyalty / interest. That could destroy the fantasy we created of the woman. Nor do we want to be regarded as cheap or insensitive, when we know they know we can afford to give almost indiscriminately.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663551]I'm lost here with all your jargon, fast tracking in cycles 1 & 2 ?[/QUOTE]Surfer go to Mr G's forum and read His post. He talks about cycles 1, 2 and 3.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1663542]I am loving this conversation and the different points of view. The topic of money and how we spend it is a very subjective issue. Recently I was in Santiago with a chica without a job who was reportedly a student, in my experience that is often an open door for a semi pro. At no time did we discuss money and there were only subtle hints about sex. We did a TLN on our second date and when we woke up in the morning I was still not sure about how to handle the money so I put 2 k in my pocket before I walked her outside to get a cab. I paid the taxi and nothing was said about money. We have whatsapped a few times and money has not come up.

Generally under the aforementioned circumstances a "regalo de dinero" would be expected but we have to be careful not to turn civilian, non pros into semi-pros. One of the disadvantages to being a monger is often equating sex to money more often than not it is but it felt good to experience the difference. Going forward I am going to be very sensitive as to whether money is appropriate and how much.[/QUOTE]The one reason trying to have a relationship with "non-pro" in another country is difficult if you do not live there full time is because, just like a woman in the USA, women like to ask for money and expect you to give them money. Otherwise you are labeled as a "broke-ass ninja" (even if you've got loot) and she moves on to the next guy who will spend freely on her.

If you are only in the DR once every 3 months or so, she has 90 days to hit you up for money request multiple times during that time frame. If you have this girl as your "main chick", you will feel pressured to comply because you are basing your next time in country on being only with her, but she could decide to bail if you don't give into her demands. That's the Juju Magic non-pros hold over guys that decide to go that route. Plus, if you do send her money, you are locking yourself into only going back to that destination (I. E. The DR) to see her in order to recoup some of your investment. Meaning, you cannot just up and decide to go to Brazil or Thailand without taking a loss on your DR chica if you've sent her $300 or so.

If your main chica is educated and has a job, then that's a plus because there is a chance she may not hit you up for money (but don't be surprised if she does; even your girlfriend or wife in the USA who has a good paying job would still hit you up for money). But the ideal situation is if you are able to be there permanently, or at least every one to two months for at least 2 weeks.

The idea of "less used" pussy fascinates all of us, but it is not without its headaches.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663575]The one reason trying to have a relationship with "non-pro" in another country is difficult if you do not live there full time is because, just like a woman in the USA, women like to ask for money and expect you to give them money. But the ideal situation is if you are able to be there permanently, or at least every one to two months for at least 2 weeks.

The idea of "less used" pussy fascinates all of us, but it is not without its headaches.[/QUOTE]I plan to be doing 2-3 month stints starting next month therefore I have to find another rhythm other than paying 2 k a hit. There has got to be a better way!

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1663542]I am loving this conversation and the different points of view. The topic of money and how we spend it is a very subjective issue. Recently I was in Santiago with a chica without a job who was reportedly a student, in my experience that is often an open door for a semi pro. At no time did we discuss money and there were only subtle hints about sex. We did a TLN on our second date and when we woke up in the morning I was still not sure about how to handle the money so I put 2 k in my pocket before I walked her outside to get a cab. I paid the taxi and nothing was said about money. We have whatsapped a few times and money has not come up.

Generally under the aforementioned circumstances a "regalo de dinero" would be expected but we have to be careful not to turn civilian, non pros into semi-pros. One of the disadvantages to being a monger is often equating sex to money more often than not it is but it felt good to experience the difference. Going forward I am going to be very sensitive as to whether money is appropriate and how much.[/QUOTE]I too have had similar experiences with some women. No money being discussed. No talk about her being compensated. For me it's kneejerk to be impressed so easily and quickly when some women do that. Especially in the beginning. But what is interesting about those assessments is that they all were made over a short period of time. Very often only from our 1st encounter.

Months down the road, after consistent interaction I learned more about them. By then, they did expect help, compensation. By then I forgot all about how things were in the beginning. Internally I justified it. That their current interest in my $input $ is about, that was then, this is now. In other words, it inevitably comes out much later that the woman expects something from the man. Inspite of my kneejerk reaction of being impressed always in the beginning, I'd be more impressed if me or other dudes report the same woman never asking or (taking money from a man) after, lets say 6 months of fucking his brains out. Now that would be truly impressive. My overall point is, a woman not asking for money, or talking about money is really nothing to be impressed by.

Just like women shouldn't necessarily be overly impressed by a man who doesn't work towards getting the juice as soon as he can from a woman. Women and men alike are both capable of playing the waiting game. Moreover, we usually are much older than many of the women we deal with. Some women may be afraid to ask for money or compensation, because their biggest fear is being perceived as a puta. And that may be the main reason a young lady may not hint about money or compensation. It's not unreasonable to consider the possibility that some women hope the guy offers, and does it smoothly so she doesn't look like a puta.

Another strategy is a woman can discuss her problems with a guy. She won't ask, but she may hope that his awareness of her needs kicks in. If she regards him as her novio, then it's likely she will expect him to offer help. Eventually! The question isnt only about does she want compensation/help, the important consideration is when?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663570]Surfer go to Mr G's forum and read His post. He talks about cycles 1, 2 and 3.[/QUOTE]WRX makes good points. Maybe cycle 3 is cycle 1 in a new place with new dynamics. Sorry guys I'm on delay and when the board moves fast my posts get buried. I knew the risk when I did my original post and I accept every good and bad comment that comes with it. There are some boring guys on this board who are scared of having a conversation and putting themselves out there, they just stay in the woods (Grownmans words). I'm glad the real dudes stepped up for this 2015 roll call and joined in the conversation and offer their opinions.

We better get back to pussy hunting before the hounds come out the woods on us LOL.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1663579] It's not unreasonable to consider the possibility that some women hope the guy offers, and does it smoothly so she doesn't look like a puta.

Another strategy is a woman can discuss her problems with a guy. She won't ask, but she may hope that his awareness of her needs kicks in. If she regards him as her novio, then it's likely she will expect him to offer help. Eventually! The question isnt only about does she want compensation/help, the important consideration is when?[/QUOTE]I know she probably has a long game but I was still impressed because I have been dealing with too many PFP chicas and internet chicas that immediately ask for money. It was refreshing to get "the juice" after only paying for dinner and drinks like the old days before I started mongering. I just have to find my groove because dealing with civilian non pros is a lot more tricky than straight PFP.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1663575]The one reason trying to have a relationship with "non-pro" in another country is difficult if you do not live there full time is because, just like a woman in the USA, women like to ask for money and expect you to give them money. Otherwise you are labeled as a "broke-ass ninja" (even if you've got loot) and she moves on to the next guy who will spend freely on her.

If you are only in the DR once every 3 months or so, she has 90 days to hit you up for money request multiple times during that time frame. If you have this girl as your "main chick", you will feel pressured to comply because you are basing your next time in country on being only with her, but she could decide to bail if you don't give into her demands. That's the Juju Magic non-pros hold over guys that decide to go that route. Plus, if you do send her money, you are locking yourself into only going back to that destination (I. E. The DR) to see her in order to recoup some of your investment. Meaning, you cannot just up and decide to go to Brazil or Thailand without taking a loss on your DR chica if you've sent her $300 or so.

If your main chica is educated and has a job, then that's a plus because there is a chance she may not hit you up for money (but don't be surprised if she does; even your girlfriend or wife in the USA who has a good paying job would still hit you up for money). But the ideal situation is if you are able to be there permanently, or at least every one to two months for at least 2 weeks.

The idea of "less used" pussy fascinates all of us, but it is not without its headaches.[/QUOTE]Thats why I was asking; what fantasy or performance is a dude paying for if he is not there with the woman? And, what is a guy losing or sacrificing by not complying with a monetary request? Is the loss real or imagined?

You are correct. If a dude sends money to a woman, with the expectation that the money is going towards some future benefit, he could be setting himself up for a headache. And signaling to the woman to continue to dangle the juice carrot in the mans face. "Baby, now I need money for school" When that happens, the man feels "Now I got to get back there and get compensated for what I put out. " Like the contractor, there isn't much incentive for her to complete the transaction. She's already fully paid. It's much better for her to be on the incentive side of the equation, where she performs 1st to be rewarded afterwards. It could be something small like simply showing her a good time. To paying her rent or something significant.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1663583]I know she probably has a long game but I was still impressed because I have been dealing with too many PFP chicas and internet chicas that immediately ask for money. It was refreshing to get "the juice" after only paying for dinner and drinks like the old days before I started mongering. I just have to find my groove because dealing with civilian non pros is a lot more tricky than straight PFP.[/QUOTE]I hear you. I too enjoy the high for the moment, of being impressed by stuff like that.

Dealing with too many PFP and internet chicas is why it may be a little harder for us to know the appropriate response for each non-pro chica we encounter. Thats nothing for us to feel bad or awkward about in those moments. Thats just the way it is. Dealing more with non pros gives us the opportunity to develop more skills and awareness with those types of women. However, like I said before. Time is the important element here. Sooner or later it's going to come out, what a womans other motivations are with us. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with us sitting back and letting the game come to us. She'll let us know if she eventually expects something from us. I haven't met a woman yet who had a problem getting to the point when they finally want something from me. And I surely won't underestimate the capabilities of non pros eventually seeking what they want as well.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1663576]I plan to be doing 2-3 month stints starting next month therefore I have to find another rhythm other than paying 2 k a hit. There has got to be a better way![/QUOTE]Going without for awhile is one option. As you know, I was in the DR for 5 months. I didn't have a woman every day, sometimes no woman for 5 days. Quite often I used my time off to rebuild my reserves (leche), and save money. Secondly, over the years I always developed having regulars that I rotated every few days. That gave me the variety I liked, and I took a lessor hit from chicas that would accept less for TLN. Plus I still checked out fresh faces that came on the scene from time to time.

None of these chicas were novias, so that still leaves me free to do exactly what you want to do. Explore outside Sosua. Having regulars is cool, so that if a dude isn't fulfilled while on expedition, he always has his regulars available to take care of his needs. Now if a dude finds a chica where he doesn't have to spend money per encounter, that may suit him just fine. Until he finds something about that situation that isn't quite appealing. Like a major demand of his time. One shouldn't devalue those 2 k hits with no strings. They may still have a place in the grand scheme of things.

Or another option? We could jerk off more, and then fantasize about the girl we want to be with, and save all of that money we would have spent for a nice expedition. Boy what would life be like without a sex drive?

[QUOTE=Jtdbusiness;1663282]I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.[/QUOTE]Unless you are flying into Santiago or PP, I say you should stick to the area that you are familiar with. Boca Chica is no Sosua however you have hookups in Boca and you are familiar with the area. Unless you speak understandable Spanish traveling solo to Sosua from Santo Domingo I do not suggest. One of the best things about Boca Chica is its proximity to the airport it's simple for one to take baby steps. Is the best place on the south coast for p4 p. Read up a little in the Boca Chica threat because there are a lot of pitfalls in that small town. If you need contact set up hit me up I have a few friends there at the moment.

[QUOTE=Jtdbusiness;1663282]I've never been to Sosua, and just drove through Boca Chica. I'm in the USA and have tomorrow (Thursday) through Sunday available. Should I take a first trip to Sosua or go to Boca Chica / Santo Domingo. I've been online today and have a half dozen specific women interested in meeting me in BC / SD, but no established contacts in POP / Sosua. Which location should I go to? I'm traveling solo.[/QUOTE]You don't need any contacts in Sosua which is very user friendly. Skip Boca Chica as it is the armpit of the DR.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1663629]You don't need any contacts in Sosua which is very user friendly. Skip Boca Chica as it is the armpit of the DR.[/QUOTE]I agree but he only has three days.

[QUOTE=NakedGunz;1663534]Having worked in Thailand, Phils and primarily "over there" on the other side of the world, I can DEFINITELY say you will get GFE OVER THERE. I felt safer in recently bombed Nairobi, Kenya than in Sousua. GFE from the most bootyful women you will ever meet, and there are millions in Nairobi. Pinays are the sweetest women in the world by nature. Just look at how they pose so willingly for pics while bare assed and being shagged in that forum. I got a very bad taste for Sousua. I bought one biatch a beer and she thought she owned me. I only monger in this hemisphere when I'm stuck in the states for an extended period.[/QUOTE]I used to follow that one German dude who sold the VCDs of his adventures and I have to say. Those Kenyan women were incredible! How do they compare in bed with the Sosua chicas?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663506]AAin't that the damn truth. in Boca Chica I asked the bums for money before they asked me. I always remind them I gave last time now it's your turn. If you can't return the favor don't talk to me no more you are useless. They avoid you like to plague when you remind them they owe you something.[/QUOTE]That is one to remember. LOL.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1663656]That is one to remember. LOL.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind though that Grownman looks like a bum and can blend right in with the Boca Chica beggars and hustlers.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1663576]I plan to be doing 2-3 month stints starting next month therefore I have to find another rhythm other than paying 2 k a hit. There has got to be a better way![/QUOTE]If you are going to be down there on a regular basis or for a long term residence, just keep in mind that sex is a commodity, and just like with food, transportation, and accommodation, and it pays off big time to get properly organized.

You can get tired of renting a different car every day, changing hotel rooms every week, or running out to a fast food joint at 2. 00 am looking for something to eat. Same with women.

Judging from what you post here, I'm sure you'll have no difficulty in finding a good economical and convenient arrangement for all your needs down there.

DR is that kind of place.

Good luck! And keep the reports coming.

Cam find someone you enjoy being with but let them no that you have someone else in another town. Let her think she is the other women. She will be pleasant and work hard to be number one. Having a regular girl has some great benefits. They will cook clean and and keep your johnson busy. Dominican women are great in relationships. Popi is boss and gets all the benefits.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1663921]If you are going to be down there on a regular basis or for a long term residence, just keep in mind that sex is a commodity, and just like with food, transportation, and accommodation, and it pays off big time to get properly organized.

You can get tired of renting a different car every day, changing hotel rooms every week, or running out to a fast food joint at 2. 00 am looking for something to eat. Same with women.

Judging from what you post here, I'm sure you'll have no difficulty in finding a good economical and convenient arrangement for all your needs down there.

DR is that kind of place.

Good luck! And keep the reports coming.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for your encouragement. I am in the process of setting up some mutually beneficial relationships as a type. I am enjoying the journey but our previous conversations about "ayuda" and "Western Union" is being tested. What Wrx2005 said about chicas intentions being delayed is so true. I am starting to see the character of a few chicas I have been working for a while. Sometimes it takes a while to tell the difference between a rock and a turtle.

Another interesting phenomenon I am seeing is sometimes there is no request for money but instead request for gifts. The request can range from a bikini to an Iphone6. I am developing a strategy that includes giving gifts but nothing that exceeds my "toto budget" in the same way we set caps on what we pay our PFP chicas. I know we all differ in what we pay and are willing to give but for me I am discovering the best path to take for civilian non pros is to give but to stop short of everything that she wants. I realize I will have to pay one way or the other but I think it is important to maintain my leverage in order to make this an enjoyable dance for everybody at the party.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1663949]Cam find someone you enjoy being with but let them no that you have someone else in another town. Let her think she is the other women. She will be pleasant and work hard to be number one. Having a regular girl has some great benefits. They will cook clean and and keep your johnson busy. Dominican women are great in relationships. Popi is boss and gets all the benefits.[/QUOTE]Its funny how the mind works. I told a young lady that I have an older Puerto Rican mujer that owns a woman clothing store and takes care of me but she despises Dominican. I told her she gives me money and I give the money to you. You should have seen the devilish grin on the young chica's face. She made a motion and reference to the Puerto Rican lady sorta like giving her the finger. She really enjoyed the ideal that she was getting over. Her position was to satisfied me just and she liked it.

Does anyone know what the going rate is on the streets of Sosua?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Patnut;1664034]Does anyone know what the going rate is on the streets of Sosua?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Depending where you go from 43 to 44.

$44.07 at Caribe express in Cabarete.

We practice this hobby because where we live 20 year old pussy is no longer on the menu. Women here act like they are doing you a favor when they speak to you. Cam the non pro ladies in the DR treat their men very different. My non pro ladies in the DR make an effort to satisfy me. The pussy always seems to be wet and ready. They value having a man in ways American women have forgotten. Most guys who go to the DR never interact with the non puta women of the DR. You have a chance to have a different experience. You may no longer need to monger or maybe not LOL.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1663981]Its funny how the mind works. I told a young lady that I have an older Puerto Rican mujer that owns a woman clothing store and takes care of me but she despises Dominican. I told her she gives me money and I give the money to you. You should have seen the devilish grin on the young chica's face. She made a motion and reference to the Puerto Rican lady sorta like giving her the finger. She really enjoyed the ideal that she was getting over. Her position was to satisfied me just and she liked it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1664062]Women here act like they are doing you a favor when they speak to you. Cam the non pro ladies in the DR treat their men very different. My non pro ladies in the DR make an effort to satisfy me. The pussy always seems to be wet and ready. They value having a man in ways American women have forgotten. Most guys who go to the DR never interact with the non puta women of the DR. You have a chance to have a different experience. [b]You may no longer need to monger or maybe not LOL.[/b][/QUOTE]The (GOOD) difference between the USA and the DR is that if your "non-pro" does not give up the booty on the first date, or if a chica you are trying to bed thinks she has "Chocha de Oro (pussy of gold)", you can always call up your pro contacts or go to a casa to satisfy your sexual needs. This allows you to play the waiting game much longer with the added bonus of not having to worry about being arrested.

Imagine what the dating scene in the USA would be like if we had that option as well? But that would be giving men too much power and deprive American Women of the "Pussy Made of Gold" aurora they hold over us. The Feminazi's and their Beta Bucks male counterparts will have none of that!

Keep that monger card as your trump card always, lol!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1664062]We practice this hobby because where we live 20 year old pussy is no longer on the menu. Women here act like they are doing you a favor when they speak to you...You have a chance to have a different experience. You may no longer need to monger or maybe not[/QUOTE]I suppose you mean by "here", the US or the Western countries in general. I think we all agree on that. However, you take it a bit too far when you say one may no longer need to monger. Did you forget about the pleasure of variety, and the excitement of tasting a new pussy?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1664062]We practice this hobby because where we live 20 year old pussy is no longer on the menu. Women here act like they are doing you a favor when they speak to you. Cam the non pro ladies in the DR treat their men very different. My non pro ladies in the DR make an effort to satisfy me. The pussy always seems to be wet and ready. They value having a man in ways American women have forgotten. Most guys who go to the DR never interact with the non puta women of the DR. You have a chance to have a different experience. You may no longer need to monger or maybe not LOL.[/QUOTE]I know what you is saying is true, what I am finding difficult is making the change. It is natural for me to default to the PFP mindset but I am developing a sense for what is appropriate with each chica based on how she responds to me. PFP eventually will be on the back burner for me as I enjoy the GFE but it is good to have options.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1664116]I know what you is saying is true, what I am finding difficult is making the change. It is natural for me to default to the PFP mindset but I am developing a sense for what is appropriate with each chica based on how she responds to me. PFP eventually will be on the back burner for me as I enjoy the GFE but it is good to have options.[/QUOTE]Come on over to the light. This is what I have been saying for years while everyone was calling me crazy and telling me that every woman in DR is expecting you to give them money. It's natural for me to default that the woman is not a hooker unless I meet her in a P4 P venue. I enjoy GFE with regular women and have always kept the P4 P on the back burner or as an "in case of emergency. ".

20 year old women are physically attracted to 20 something men it is natural law. These same women are economically attracted to our wealth. Trust me E the ladies you and me did not fuck us because we were so good looking. Nope. Like Cam says some take a little time but they all see pie in our wallets. Real talk. It is not the dick it is them dead presidents.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1664129]Come on over to the light. This is what I have been saying for years while everyone was calling me crazy and telling me that every woman in DR is expecting you to give them money. It's natural for me to default that the woman is not a hooker unless I meet her in a P4 P venue. I enjoy GFE with regular women and have always kept the P4 P on the back burner or as an "in case of emergency. ".[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=OldKool;1664169]20 year old women are physically attracted to 20 something men it is natural law. These same women are economically attracted to our wealth. Trust me E the ladies you and me did not fuck us because we were so good looking. Nope. Like Cam says some take a little time but they all see pie in our wallets. Real talk. It is not the dick it is them dead presidents.

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.[/QUOTE]You're right to a certain extent. OTOH females just aren't as turned on by appearance. Everybody is attracted to beauty but men are much more sexually attracted by looks alone. Females care much more about who the guy is. Status matters to them. Money influences status. So does confidence, reputation, dress, especially power. High status men (whatever that means in a given situation) tend to be physically sexually attractive to women. High status women aren't especially attractive to men. To a certain extent guys with money actually ARE physically attractive to women. Beyond the promise of gain. Beyond that, some young women have a daddy fetish. They really are turned on by older guys more than guys their own age. Not saying that a lot of it isn't just p4 p but it's simply not true that young women are never genuinely physically attracted to much older guys. Cultural differences that would be true for guys their own age can be an even bigger deal breaker though.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1664075]The (GOOD) difference between the USA and the DR is that if your "non-pro" does not give up the booty on the first date, or if a chica you are trying to bed thinks she has "Chocha de Oro (pussy of gold)", you can always call up your pro contacts or go to a casa to satisfy your sexual needs. This allows you to play the waiting game much longer with the added bonus of not having to worry about being arrested.

Imagine what the dating scene in the USA would be like if we had that option as well? But that would be giving men too much power and deprive American Women of the "Pussy Made of Gold" aurora they hold over us. The Feminazi's and their Beta Bucks male counterparts will have none of that!

Keep that monger card as your trump card always, lol![/QUOTE]Yeah if Prostitution was legal in the USA. The Value of Pussy would drop tomorrow. But the Feminist Movement and Corporate America would not like that. Corporate need pussy whipped men because they need men to buy material garbage in order to impress women.

And girlfriend and wives can't use pussy as a weapon because all a man has to go is go to a Local Legal brothel or Casa and get a 18 year old Fresh pussy if his wife is acting up.

I'll be landing at POP in the afternoon. Do I have to pre-book a taxi to take me to Sosa, or will there be plenty lined up?

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1664362]I'll be landing at POP in the afternoon. Do I have to pre-book a taxi to take me to Sosa, or will there be plenty lined up?[/QUOTE]There will be many eager for your custom. There is a notice board with fixed charges.

In general it is not a good idea to book or reserve anything on the North Coast, whether taxis, hotel rooms, restaurant tables, or chicas, etc. Real time negotiating will achieve better results, plus Dominicans are more than capable of fucking up your advance reservations or ignoring them if someone makes a better offer or offers spot cash, or they can't be bothered to get out of bed. Finally there can be many genuine reasons why they do not honor an agreement. Daily life here is peppered with incidents to throw your plans off course. Traffic accidents, power outages, plumbing disasters, flooding, strikes and demonstrations, etc.

Keep your schedule flexible so that you can go with the flow. I am currently baby-sitting a first-time visitor from the UK and I have saved him a lot of money and holiday time by ignoring his pleas to pre-book and plan every move.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664250]Yeah if Prostitution was legal in the USA. The Value of Pussy would drop tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. Prostitution is legal in the UK and most European countries but the position and rights of women in society is not much different in the more "advanced" countries. A bit different in the southern and eastern European countries but for other long-standing cultural reasons, nothing to do with prostitution.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1664374]Not necessarily. Prostitution is legal in the UK and most European countries but the position and rights of women in society is not much different in the more "advanced" countries. A bit different in the southern and eastern European countries but for other long-standing cultural reasons, nothing to do with prostitution.[/QUOTE]Sir Charles, this is actually the highlight of the reason we said prostitution would never become legal in the US:

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664250]
girlfriend and wives can't use pussy as a weapon because all a man has to go is go to a Local Legal brothel or Casa and get a 18 year old Fresh pussy if his wife is acting up.[/QUOTE]It's fine if women in the UK and Europe have "position" and "rights" the same as more advanced countries. The difference is that they can't hold that stuff over the head of the men there since prositution is legal and the males there have alternatives. I'm really surprised that Angela Merkel hadn't tried to shut down prostitution in Germany. Hillary Clinton surely would if she were in charge there.

If I could make the same income in Europe as I currently do then I would be there tomorrow.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1664374]Not necessarily. Prostitution is legal in the UK and most European countries but the position and rights of women in society is not much different in the more "advanced" countries. A bit different in the southern and eastern European countries but for other long-standing cultural reasons, nothing to do with prostitution.[/QUOTE]The same applies in Argentina. Prostitution is not legal but it is very user friendly and no one goes to jail for using brothels.

Despite that, Argentine non pro women are extremely hard to get and the value of the pussy did not diminish anything in relation to the simplicity of getting paid sex.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1664405]The difference is that they can't hold that stuff over the head of the men there ...[/QUOTE]You think?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1664443]You think?[/QUOTE]Let them dream mannnnn.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1664405]If I could make the same income in Europe as I currently do then I would be there tomorrow.[/QUOTE]At 50% taxes would you really do that?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1664453]At 50% taxes would you really do that?[/QUOTE]Well, I guess I should have added "make the same income after taxes", LOL. Which is the same reason I don't live in Commiefornia, New York, Jersey, Illinois, etc. In those instances I'd rather live in Europe because if you are going to get rap3d (on taxes) then you might as well enjoy it (ability to pay for pros and not face persecution vs. letting Jerry Brown or Andrew Cuomo empty your pockets and tell you "you can't pay for hookers, but you can smoke as much weed as you like!").

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1664129]Come on over to the light. This is what I have been saying for years while everyone was calling me crazy and telling me that every woman in DR is expecting you to give them money. It's natural for me to default that the woman is not a hooker unless I meet her in a P4 P venue. I enjoy GFE with regular women and have always kept the P4 P on the back burner or as an "in case of emergency. ".[/QUOTE]If a person spends all his time chasing hookers, that's all he is going to know.

Most of the guys on this board are lucky if they get one trip a year. So cultivating non pros is not practical. Good p4 p is what they are looking for and the DR has it.

[QUOTE=Troubleman69;1664504]If a person spends all his time chasing hookers, that's all he is going to know.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1664546]Most of the guys on this board are lucky if they get one trip a year. So cultivating non pros is not practical. Good p4 p is what they are looking for and the DR has it.[/QUOTE]I agree, and I'm not knocking how anyone spends their time on their vacation. I was just agreeing with what Mr E posted. Of course P4 P is readily available in the DR, but it's also true that not every woman is looking for some cash when they hook up with you.

Last time I was in Sosua was in March 2014, and had a great time then. Place was lively, safe and there were plenty of decent looking women around. I'm planning on coming back in February, was just wondering what has changed there if anything since then? I've read back loads of pages but can't seem to work out out much from that. Is the'Latins still open? That was definitely the bar where all the life was in March last year! If it's closed, has anywhere decent replaced it as the focal point of nightlife? What about the police controls on the ladies and the general atmosphere, has that changed? When I was there, the atmosphere was pretty relaxed and easy going. Any advice would be really appreciated!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1664546]Most of the guys on this board are lucky if they get one trip a year. So cultivating non pros is not practical. Good p4 p is what they are looking for and the DR has it.[/QUOTE]Never seen what's the big deal with Non-Pros. If you guys wanted non-pro Spanish girls there are plenty in the United States. Why pay the airfare and hotel fees to go all the way to Dominican Republic?

I assume we monger and fly to all these different countries because we are trying to fuck a lot of girls for the cheapest price. Anything other than that is a waste of time. If your whole goal is to get Non-Pros and court them and not spend money on pussy, then you can do it in your backyard. You can always hit up a club or a lounge in the USA. There's plenty of Dominican, Brazilian women non-pros in the USA. Also never understand guys that send Western Union, again there are plenty of Spanish girls looking.

For a sugar daddy, especially these days, where all you have to due is buy them some Jordan's or designer bag. You can take that Western Union money and trick it on a local Spanish girl looking to make rent. At least you will get the pussy a few times a week.

Then too trick it on a girl 3,000 miles away and you won't see her for another 3-6 months. When your flying to these countries it should be Pay for Play only.

If your looking for a non-pro or serious relationship, You can find tons of girls that are looking for a so called sponsor!

FS, I think your assumption is way off. I doubt that many people here have their main reason to travel as so they can fuck the most chicks at the lowest price. If that was the case then they missed the mark with the DR. They should try Nicaragua or Ecuador for the $6 chicas.

There is a section in ISG called American Women. You think when women come from other countries to the USA that they stay the same? Seasoned mongers know that you don't bring the foreign woman to your home soil for a permanent stay. Eddie Murphy even told you that in Raw back in 1988. There is a reason for that. So you definitely don't want one who is from or has been a long time resident of your country.

I think you are also assuming that guys are only going for the women because of their ethnic look. If that was the case then as my cousin told me years ago, she said that I don't need any other girls beside a Black one, because there are Black American chicks that look White, Latina, Asian, and everything else in between.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664576]Never seen what's the big deal with Non-Pros. If you guys wanted Non-pros Spanish girls there are plenty in the United States. Why pay the airfare and hotel fees to go all the way to Dominican Republic?

I assume wemonger and fly to all these different countries because we are trying to fuck alot of girls for the cheapest price. Anything other than that is a waste of time. If your whole goal is to get Non-Pros and Court them and not spend money on pussy.

Then you can do it in your backyard. You can always hit up a club or a lounge in the USA. There's plenty of Dominican, Brazilian women Non-Pros in the USA. Also never understand guys that send western union, again there are plenty of Spanish girls looking.

For a sugar daddy, especially these days, where all you have to due is buy them some Jordan's or designer bag. You can take that Western Union money and trick it on a local Spanish girl looking to make rent. At least you will get the pussy a few times a week.

Then too trick it on a girl 3,000 miles away and you won't see her for another 3-6 months. When your flying to these countries it should be Pay for Play only.

If your looking for a Non-Pro or serious relationship, You can find tons of girls that are looking for a so called sponsor![/QUOTE]My situation is different from most in that I will be living in the DR in the near future and non-pros provide more of the total experience I desire in a woman than ST PFP. Recently I mixed my PFP with non pros and semi pros for variety and to taste different fruit. In addition there is a different skill set necessary for non pro civilians because it's not all about money, therefore your language skills and personality need to be on point which provides a challenge that I enjoy. In short mongering looks different for different mongers.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1664623]My situation is different from most in that I will be living in the DR in the near future and non-pros provide more of the total experience I desire in a woman than ST PFP. Recently I mixed my PFP with non pros and semi pros for variety and to taste different fruit. In addition there is a different skill set necessary for non pro civilians because it's not all about money, therefore your language skills and personality need to be on point which provides a challenge that I enjoy. In short mongering looks different for different mongers.

Seasoned mongers know that you don't bring the foreign woman to your home soil for a permanent stay. Eddie Murphy even told you that in Raw back in 1988. There is a reason for that. So you definitely don't want one who is from or has been a long time resident of your country.[/QUOTE]Well If your going to live in DR or stay in DR for a long period of time months on end, then its OK to want a normal women (non-pro) relationship. I'm talking about the guys that only go to DR maybe 1 or 2 times a year. I think its pretty much pointless to have any real.

Serious relationship. I know a couple of guys that so call have a girlfriend in DR, and they send $200-$300 dollars a month via Western union and they only go to DR once per year. I think its pretty stupid because do you honestly think your so call girl is not cheating?

You think is going to wait a whole year while your in the USA? Remember women like sex just like men. Also the difference between a Dominican girl in the USA or a Dominican girl in DR is the same to me, There both materialistic, and my point is if your going to.

Throw money in the garbage by sending Western Union. I would rather trick it on a local Dominican girl from the USA. There are plenty of 18-19 year old Dominican girls that are always looking for a sponsor or a sugar daddy.

My whole point is if your looking for a Non-Pro Action. You don't have to waste thousands of dollars on Airfare and Hotel fees. There are plenty of Non-Pro Dominican girls in the USA.

They should only be 2 times of guys that travel to Sousa DR. Guys that have wives and want there dick wet without messing up home, Or guys that like to sport fuck (guys that want to fuck alot of women in the cheapest way, or just don't have time to waste).

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664576]Never seen what's the big deal with Non-Pros. If you guys wanted Non-pros Spanish girls there are plenty in the United States. Why pay the airfare and hotel fees to go all the way to Dominican Republic?[/QUOTE]Why do you assume everybody here is living in the United States?

What are your experiences with Haitian chicas, compared to Dominican chicas? Are Haitians generally more trouble once you get them to the room?

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1664673]Why do you assume everybody here is living in the United States?[/QUOTE]You obviously haven't had many dealings with Americans. (Clue: The "World Series").

My pet peeve is ordering something from an American internet site. I go all through the process of selecting, registering, bank card details, check my shopping cart, delivery details, etc, then when I press the "confirm" button I get the message "only available in the USA". Why the fuck don't they say that on the first page, not the last?

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1664794]What are your experiences with Haitian chicas, compared to Dominican chicas? Are Haitians generally more trouble once you get them to the room?[/QUOTE]
Less trouble. Haitians of either sex are more reluctant to get into a confrontation because they know that local people and police are unlikely to take their side, whether they are in the right or not. The opposite is the case with Dominicans. And many Haitians are illegal immigrants so like to maintain a low profile

Many of us prefer haitianas. We are in the minority, but it is significant that the percentage rises sharply when you count only ex-pats and frequent visitors, in other words, the preference for haitianas over dominicanas increases with greater experience.

If you speak any French, this is a big advantage with haitianas. Most of them speak a little French, a few speak a lot, but even with those who speak no French (that is to say, never had any schooling above infant level) it helps with communication as the vocabulary of their own language (Haitian Kreyol) is 95% French-based.

Also, appreciation of haitianas is relatively greater among non-US citizens such as Canadians, French, Italian, German and Brits (though not Spanish). (I leave you to work out why that may be).

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1664829]You obviously haven't had many dealings with Americans. (Clue: The "World Series").

My pet peeve is ordering something from an American internet site. I go all through the process of selecting, registering, bank card details, check my shopping cart, delivery details, etc, then when I press the "confirm" button I get the message "only available in the USA". Why the fuck don't they say that on the first page, not the last?[/QUOTE]It may be hidden somewhere but generally hard to find it and some of them may assume only Americans would buy from this site since it is American site!

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664662]Well If your going to live in DR or stay in DR for a long period of time months on end, then its OK to want a normal women (non-pro) relationship. I'm talking about the guys that only go to DR maybe 1 or 2 times a year. I think its pretty much pointless to have any real.

Serious relationship. I know a couple of guys that so call have a girlfriend in DR, and they send $200-$300 dollars a month via Western union and they only go to DR once per year. I think its pretty stupid because do you honestly think your so call girl is not cheating?

You think is going to wait a whole year while your in the USA? Remember women like sex just like men. Also the difference between a Dominican girl in the USA or a Dominican girl in DR is the same to me, There both materialistic, and my point is if your going to.

Throw money in the garbage by sending Western Union. I would rather trick it on a local Dominican girl from the USA. There are plenty of 18-19 year old Dominican girls that are always looking for a sponsor or a sugar daddy.

My whole point is if your looking for a Non-Pro Action. You don't have to waste thousands of dollars on Airfare and Hotel fees. There are plenty of Non-Pro Dominican girls in the USA.

They should only be 2 times of guys that travel to Sousa DR. Guys that have wives and want there dick wet without messing up home, Or guys that like to sport fuck (guys that want to fuck alot of women in the cheapest way, or just don't have time to waste).[/QUOTE]I live in Florida and I met one Dominican woman so far. She asked $150 per meeting and I agreed. Things started to change after 2-3 meetings and became leche papi type relation. So I stopped seeing her. We are all different and what we are looking for different. I am like Camaro1257. I only deal with none pros and semi pros. It takes longer and requires some patience. But I love interaction. I speak very little Spanish and use google translator. I really try to communicate and understand the woman and I enjoy it. I get complete satisfaction when GFE, hugging, cuddling and good sex is part of the experience and this is why I am here. It does not cost much to come here from Florida and quality is more important than quantity when one starts to get old.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664662]Well If your going to live in DR or stay in DR for a long period of time months on end, then its OK to want a normal women (non-pro) relationship. I'm talking about the guys that only go to DR maybe 1 or 2 times a year. I think its pretty much pointless to have any real.

Serious relationship. I know a couple of guys that so call have a girlfriend in DR, and they send $200-$300 dollars a month via Western union and they only go to DR once per year. I think its pretty stupid because do you honestly think your so call girl is not cheating?


They should only be 2 times of guys that travel to Sousa DR. Guys that have wives and want there dick wet without messing up home, Or guys that like to sport fuck (guys that want to fuck alot of women in the cheapest way, or just don't have time to waste).[/QUOTE]Or guys that want to trade the Winter weather for the beach and while doing so, have access to pussy.

I do agree that a serious relationship w a non-pro isn't feasible unless you're on the ground for a while.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1664834]

Also, appreciation of haitianas is relatively greater among non-US citizens such as Canadians, French, Italian, German and Brits (though not Spanish). (I leave you to work out why that may be).[/QUOTE]Mr. Pooter, curious as to why you made the statement that non-US citizens have a greater appreciation for Haitians.

My observations have been that more non-US citizens go with the Haitians, however, the US citizens I have met and know in Sosua appreciate / prefer the Haitians over the Dominicans. Did you mean to say what I have observed?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1664990]... the US citizens I have met and know in Sosua appreciate / prefer the Haitians over the Dominicans. [/QUOTE]Then you are hanging with the right crowd. Congratulations!

I posted a survey once on another board. Preference was 4 to 1 in favor of dominicanas on quite a large sample (about sixty replies if I remember correctly). Did not inquire the nationality of the respondents but they would have been, as here, mostly Americans.

On the other hand, lots of lurkers replied and they probably included many who had never been to the DR and wouldn't know a haitiana if she squatted on their faces, so not very scientific.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664250]Yeah if Prostitution was legal in the USA. The Value of Pussy would drop tomorrow.
[/QUOTE]I think the men of the USA are ready for this to happen.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1665000]I think the men of the USA are ready for this to happen.[/QUOTE]You will find the pussy is never free!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1664597]FS, I think your assumption is way off. I doubt that many people here have their main reason to travel as so they can fuck the most chicks at the lowest price. If that was the case then they missed the mark with the DR. They should try Nicaragua or Ecuador for the $6 chicas.



[/QUOTE]Tell us more.

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1664794]What are your experiences with Haitian chicas, compared to Dominican chicas? Are Haitians generally more trouble once you get them to the room?[/QUOTE]Yes, the Haitian Chicas can be trouble in the room. Some of them will rip you apart if your not careful.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1665007]Tell us more.[/QUOTE]There's a street in Guayaquil Ecuador, I forget the name, where you can get fucked for $ 6 including the room. I've been there and can attest to what MR. E stated in his post.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1664829]You obviously haven't had many dealings with Americans. (Clue: The "World Series").

My pet peeve is ordering something from an American internet site. I go all through the process of selecting, registering, bank card details, check my shopping cart, delivery details, etc, then when I press the "confirm" button I get the message "only available in the USA". Why the fuck don't they say that on the first page, not the last?[/QUOTE]If you open a (free) account at BM Cargo in Puerto Plata, or Encargo Group in Sosua, then they will give you an account number and a mailing address in Miami near the airport where they will forward your items to you and you can register this as the shipping address with the vendor. The cost is per pound, so it works well for lighter items like clothes or electronics, or indeed mail. It might cost you less than $10 to send an iPad, though items are duty free if less than $200, which rules out an iPad. However you could actually send a TV if it was one of the smaller ones. Using this route to buy something like a laptop computer would save a huge amount over the cost of buying one in the DR. You could get one twice as good for half the price. If you want something like a kitchen blender with a heavy glass jar, it would be more economical to buy at La Sirena than to ship, however something like this would be economical to make batidas. [URL]http://www.amazon.com/Ninja-NJ110GR-Express-Chop/dp/B00HL3TBDQ/ref=sr_1_21?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1420427705&sr=1-21&keywords=food[/URL]+chopper.

If you spend more than $35 at Amazon, you can get the free shipping to Miami and just pay for the last part.

Some e-Bay shippers will ship overseas, but most not.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1664662]Serious relationship. I know a couple of guys that so call have a girlfriend in DR, and they send $200-$300 dollars a month via Western union and they only go to DR once per year. I think its pretty stupid because do you honestly think your so call girl is not cheating?[/QUOTE]Agreed that this makes no sense. Yes, I would imagine the girl would be cheating, but perhaps the guys you know are not bothered about this. Why don't you ask them?

[QUOTE]I would rather trick it on a local Dominican girl from the USA. There are plenty of 18-19 year old Dominican girls that are always looking for a sponsor or a sugar daddy.[/QUOTE]This might be the case in the New York and Miami areas where there are concentrated populations of Dominicans, but not so much elsewhere.

[QUOTE]My whole point is if your looking for a Non-Pro Action. You don't have to waste thousands of dollars on Airfare and Hotel fees. There are plenty of Non-Pro Dominican girls in the USA.[/QUOTE]Yes, but if they are looking for "sponsors" or sugar daddies, then they are not really non-pros.

[QUOTE]They should only be 2 times of guys that travel to Sousa DR. Guys that have wives and want there dick wet without messing up home, Or guys that like to sport fuck (guys that want to fuck a lot of women in the cheapest way, or just don't have time to waste).[/QUOTE]So which category do you fall into? If you are getting your "dick wet" are you not taking a chance on catching something, and how is it cheap if you have to spend "thousands of dollars on Airfare and Hotel fees"?

How about adding another category of men who want to have no strings sex with attractive much younger women while taking a short and relaxing vacation where they will not stand out like a sore thumb as a single man alone, which they probably would if they went to Crater Lake or the Grand Canyon or Key West, and without any risk of breaking any prostitution laws or getting involved with the local Dominican underworld in their home city in the US or giving their phone number to some chick who may turn out to be a psycho?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1665038]Yes, but if they are looking for "sponsors" or sugar daddies, then they are not really non-pros.[/QUOTE]Non-Pros in my dictionary to me is a girl that does not sell her ass for a living. But in my experience most women are undercover hookers anyways. They may not walk the streets to sell there ass. But if a guy pulls up in a Ferrari, or just signed a Multi-Million dollar NBA.

Contract, there willing to give up some ass in a heart beat no questions ask if they know its a chance for guaranteed security. Like Child Support Payments and Alimony Payments.

My whole point is that I see some guys try to put down mongers because they P4P and they.

So call get Non-Pros which makes them feel kinda superior. I'm just saying why fly 3,000 miles for so call Non-Pros when you can just hit up Miami or NewYork Club Scene. At Least when I hit on and charm a Non-Pro in the United States and she is feeling me, I would.

More trust a Non-Pro in the USA, then a so call Non-Pro in the Dominican Republic because you do not know her true intentions are. She might just want a green card, or she might change once she comes to the USA. I would admit that the Dominican Girls in the USA.

Are spoiled and rotten but when you do catch one and you start dating her and she is feeling you, At least you know there is no hidden agenda, like a typical 3rd World Girl.

Just my 2 Cents.

Mongering is only one aspect of DR life. It happens to be a shared interest amongst us hobbyists here, but be wary of assuming mongering experiences can be applied to DR life in general.

There are lots of DR women who are being supported by, and even married to, foreign men who don't reside in the DR. There are chicos with generous French Canadian mommas, not to mention long distance gay relationships. We are talking condos, SUVs, motorbikes here. You won't generally meet them in Sosua, or BC.

These are not street hookers, but are often employed in businesses controlled by investors, and these guys can be very demanding and exercise control not only through money, but through family, friends and other employees, They demand exclusivity for their money, and the myth that there are lots of Sosua putas with multiple Western Union boyfriends is no more accurate than the portrayal of prostitution in "Pretty Woman". A regular WU remittance can be hard to come by, and even harder to maintain. There are no secrets in Sosua.

As to "cheating", if the foreign gringo can demand a weeks service 24/7 at a moments notice, seems to me the local boyfriend should be the one worried about cheating.

And does a guy like Hugh Hefner really go to bed worrying about his stable of playboy bunnies "cheating", because some of them have boyfriends back home?

These are some of the things to be aware of when contemplating long term residency, or long term GF relationships.

In the interests of full disclosure, I have a long term DR "GF". And a lot of what I post here, is from her experiences and observations.

You will be surprised how many want to keep a GF by sending support every month. They are not really buying fidelity. They want a smiling girl meet them at the airport and keep them company. I know of some who keep two or three in different parts of the world.

Some buy cars, condos for the girls to stay. I had fun with some of these girls in Thailand, Philippines and China. I do not think sugar daddies have expectations that their girlfriends do not open their legs when they are not in town.

If they think like that they are delusional.

I personally have supported some girls in Thailand, Philippines and China mainly for studies. Yes, paid the rent for the apartment. Gave gifts and took them shopping. In return they gave me good service. No need to go look for a girl and throw a dice to see if we have a good time. No scams to deal with. Of course after some time I have stopped the support and looked for new girls. For me it works very well if I show up once in every two months. I was doing that travelling many times a year for business. Have taken many beautiful girls as travelling companion all over. It is definitely worth it rather than being a monger every day looking for compatibility. Advantages are moment you land at the airport your sexual needs are taken care of and companionship is guaranteed by the girl you know. Disadvantages are you do not get to taste other apples in the same area.

After having done that nowadays I am strictly a monger looking for dating site girls and occasionally working girls. Experiences vary on a scale from excellent to bad.

To each his own. There are some who do not think twice about dropping thousands of dollars for a girl while others want to spend as less as possible. There is no reason to debate this behavior of supporting girls.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1665233]

After having done that nowadays I am strictly a monger looking for dating site girls and occasionally working girls. Experiences vary on a scale from excellent to bad.

To each his own. There are some who do not think twice about dropping thousands of dollars for a girl while others want to spend as less as possible. There is no reason to debate this behavior of supporting girls.[/QUOTE]I always say if you feel its an even swap; it aint no swindle.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1665233]You will be surprised how many want to keep a GF by sending support every month. They are not really buying fidelity. They want a smiling girl meet them at the airport and keep them company. I know of some who keep two or three in different parts of the world.

I am strictly a monger looking for dating site girls and occasionally working girls. Experiences vary on a scale from excellent to bad.

To each his own. There are some who do not think twice about dropping thousands of dollars for a girl while others want to spend as less as possible. There is no reason to debate this behavior of supporting girls.[/QUOTE]I fall right into this category with a GF in Mexico and one in the DR (however looking for more as always). You are right on the money in my opinion with what you have said.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1665060] I'm just saying why fly 3,000 miles for so call Non-Pros when you can just hit up Miami or NewYork Club Scene. [/QUOTE]Last time I checked hotels, airport transfers, taxis, and restaurants were pretty expensive in New York and Miami Beach compared to the DR, whereas in Sosua you have everything close by, hotel rooms with an excellent breakfast for well under $100 per night, (actually under $50 a night if you want to economize a bit), a good dinner for $10 to $12, a beach nearby and at Cabarete, cheap barbershops, massages, manicures, windsurfing, etc.

Of course the DR cannot match the old-fashioned welcome and general courtesy that a visitor will receive in New York.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1665258]Last time I checked hotels, airport transfers, taxis, and restaurants were pretty expensive in New York and Miami Beach compared to the DR.[/QUOTE]The problem is that many on this board would not know or have seen anything beyond NYC or other large cities in the US. To that extent, it would be hard for them to have any understanding of a non-US perspective. US and ideally NYC is the be all and end all of their universe. In addition, this group, expect "loyalty" of the women in exchange for money, without realizing that the senders have indeed an agenda that this group cannot conceive of, much less comprehend.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1665258]Last time I checked hotels, airport transfers, taxis, and restaurants were pretty expensive in New York and Miami Beach compared to the DR, whereas in Sosua you have everything close by, hotel rooms with an excellent breakfast for well under $100 per night, (actually under $50 a night if you want to economize a bit), a good dinner for $10 to $12, a beach nearby and at Cabarete, cheap barbershops, massages, manicures, windsurfing, etc.

Of course the DR cannot match the old-fashioned welcome and general courtesy that a visitor will receive in New York.[/QUOTE]Good point.

From where I am (an hour away by plane), an all in week in NYC would cost me close to 3000 Canadian, and I wouldn't know where to begin trying to laid. At my age, I don't think I'd blend in with the "club scene".

The same all inclusive week in Sosua, (3 1/2 hours away) can be had for 650 Canadian, and all the local cheap pussy you could want, not to mention the sun and the beach.

No brainer for this monger.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1665625]Good point.

From where I am (an hour away by plane), an all in week in NYC would cost me close to 3000 Canadian, and I wouldn't know where to begin trying to laid. At my age, I don't think I'd blend in with the "club scene".

The same all inclusive week in Sosua, (3 1/2 hours away) can be had for 650 Canadian, and all the local cheap pussy you could want, not to mention the sun and the beach.

No brainer for this monger.[/QUOTE]Who knows in NYC you may spend another 3000 Canadian to get lucky!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1665625]The same all inclusive week in Sosua, (3 1/2 hours away) can be had for 650 Canadian, and all the local cheap pussy you could want, not to mention the sun and the beach.[/QUOTE]Sorry bro, 650 CAD for an all inclusive (I presume you mean food and lodging) week, women included? Where?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1665842]Sorry bro, 650 CAD for an all inclusive (I presume you mean food and lodging) week, women included? [/QUOTE]Clearly women not included. If they were, it would be irrelevant whether they were "cheap" or not.

Pull yourself together, Tempoecorto. I don't want to have to fail you on Reading Comprehension.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1665863]Pull yourself together, Tempoecorto. I don't want to have to fail you on Reading Comprehension.[/QUOTE]Touche'! Well merited rebuke. LOL! Nonetheless an all inclusive week for 650 CAD still sounds fantastical. I thought those places, even though I have never frequented one, were fairly pricey.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1665863]Clearly women not included. If they were, it would be irrelevant whether they were "cheap" or not.

Pull yourself together, Tempoecorto. I don't want to have to fail you on Reading Comprehension.[/QUOTE]

You are being a little tough on one of our EFL students. The all-inclusives that include hands-on personal care services as well as food and drink do tend to be quite a bit more expensive. It is more practical to get an expensive room and a cheap woman than the other way round.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1665892]Touche'! Well merited rebuke. LOL! Nonetheless an all inclusive week for 650 CAD still sounds fantastical. I thought those places, even though I have never frequented one, were fairly pricey.[/QUOTE]Here ya go!

Nolitours, Jan 9, Toronto to PP via CanJet, $593 (US) - Double Room, Single Occupancy, All inclusive, Casa Marina Beach. 7 nights, 8 days.

(Not to be confused with ALL inclusive, LOL)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1666213]Here ya go!

Nolitours, Jan 9, Toronto to PP via CanJet, $593 (US) - Double Room, Single Occupancy, All inclusive, Casa Marina Beach. 7 nights, 8 days.

(Not to be confused with ALL inclusive, LOL)[/QUOTE]Whoa. Flight, food and lodging? That too direct to PP? From Boston, PP is frightfully expensive as a flight option (and so I go to STI), not to speak of food and lodging etc. You lucky dog! I hope you took advantage of the offer and flying down on the 9th. And I will have fun, vicariously, through you.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1666282]Whoa. Flight, food and lodging? That too direct to PP? From Boston, PP is frightfully expensive as a flight option (and so I go to STI), not to speak of food and lodging etc. You lucky dog! I hope you took advantage of the offer and flying down on the 9th. And I will have fun, vicariously, through you.[/QUOTE]We just happen to be lucky.

Air Canada, WestJet, CanJet, SunWing all fly direct from Toronto. Convenient times too. In some cases the package can be cheaper than the air fare alone (WTF?

Which is why I often finish up at the Casa Marina by default, even if I don't intend to stay there much. There was one week I stayed there last year when I didn't have one drink at the hotel although booze is free. That must be a record. But I only drink beer, and their beer always comes in plastic cups. I prefer that icy bottle dressed up like a penguin, so I usually drink off site.

For a little extra I can check in my GF, she loves it and brings in the Charamicos kids on the weekend. They enjoy the pool, buffet restaurant, organized kids games. The GF makes this great deal with reception (cousins), the youngest ones get in for free.

These kids are so polite, appreciative and well behaved, compared to NA kids, I get a real kick out of seeing them have fun. It's been 6 years for some of them and it's interesting watching them grow up.

I have such a good time down there, sometimes I forget what I'm really there for, LOL.

I posted this on a different site putting it up here too.

For my first trip to Dr and mongering in general I had a blast. Unfortunately I had to go solo because my boys flaked but that didn't take anything away. I flew direct from JFK to POP short 3 HR flight. I stayed at New gardens new side and for the first couple days I was the only one there which was good because I had the pool to myself and a lot of privacy. When I was checking in I met a Haitian dude who showed me around. He brought me my first chica Jissel she wanted 3000 pesos and me being impatient gave it to her. She is a midget sex machine she rode and fucked like an expert with a condom BJ. Walked her back to rumbas and took a nap. Woke up and chi chi (Haitian kid) went to cCassicos at around 11 30 once again being impatient I got the first chica with a fat ass I saw paid 2000 for an st.

Thursday.

Got breakfast at new garden took a swim bought some shitty brown weed from chi chi by this time I was getting tired of him hanging around. I gave him 500 pesos for helping out the previous day and his entrance into Classicos. I got a mani pedi from Wendy and a chica offered me 1000 for a BJ I said fuck it she gave me a message and one of the best BBjs I've ever had I accidentally busted in her eye funny sight she wasn't expecting it gave her an extra 500 for it. Afterward got lunch at Rockys and met another chica we agreed to 1500 and off to new garden only thing now supposedly her baby father supposedly works there and she doesn't want to see him. The side I was in was deserted and no guard was around. (Mistake) after our session she didn't want to leave and then wanted 500 more pesos. I paid her the extra just to leave.

Friday.

The ng breakfast is really good. I decided to hit the beach and regretted my decision I was swarmed by people trying to sell me shit I wasn't interested in the vendors are very aggressive and can get very annoying. Chilled out for a little and got lunch on the way back I ran into a chica we agreed to 2000. She was a good fuck but then started talking about she needs money for school and shit wtf. She asked if she could come back tomorrow morning and I just shrugged (mistake). Took a nap and hit Classicos this time I waited and I realized I was fucking 6's and 7's where the 9's and tens were here the whole time. A dark skinned chica witha fat ass and obviously fake breast approached me by this time I was drunk as fuck we agreed to 2500st. We had a great session the chicks are like professional sex machines. We got high and then she asked me to walk her to Classicos as We were walking we saw a old crackhead looking chica (that moltisanti wants to fuck for 500 pesos) my chica warned me that she was mafia and to stay away from her. Sure enough walking back the crackhead approached and started rubbing on me and I felt her reach into my pocket for my phone I grabbed her wrist twisted it and shoved her walked away.

Saturday.

Sure enough the chica from the beach showed up in the morning. We got breakfast at NG and had a session. Afterward she was just hanging around she started talking about her school fees and her broken cell phone and yea I wanted her to leave she could tell and asked me if I wanted her to leave I said yes and she started crying. I gave her 3000 pesos (felt a little bad). I took a swim and went to the bank to withdraw some money I withdrew 15,000 and walked back to the room. That's when I realized my wallet was missing I must've dropped it or got pick pocketed. I was sick I had 6000 pesos left I called my bro back in the states and asked him to send me some cash through western union. He came through but it wasn't what I would've had with my wallet and bank card. I went to rumbas to watch football. I saw a nice looking brown skinned chica we agreed to 2000 peso and went off to NG. She was a trooper after 3 days of constant fucking it took me some time to nut. I took a swim smoked watched more football and took a nap. Woke up and hit Classicos this time on a mission I was getting a 10. I talked one chica who quoted me 5000 I got her down to 4000 (I would've paid that but I was low on peso because of wallet fiasco). Saw a sexy light skinned chica with beautiful eyes named Giselle she's in the candy shop already. She quoted me 3000 we took off and she had a car she drove us to the hotel but then claimed her friend was sick in the hospital. She dropped me off and I walked my ass to after one. Guess who I find on some dudes lap Gisselle LOL these hoes ain't loyal. I found a 9 named Erica she was exactly what I like big ass big titties sexy eyes. She was the best fuck of my whole trip.

Sunday.

Woke up in the morning and had another session then she went right back to sleep didn't wake up until 2 pm. It was cool I took a swim stocked up on condoms bought more shitty weed and woke her up. We went to NG for lunch and this ordered a thousand peso worth of food (wtf). She wanted to change her clothes so we took a moto concho to her apt where there were 3 scantily clad woman just lounging around giving me hungry looks. Spent time talked and flirted in my extremely limited Spanish. We went back to the room for another session even though I liked this chica I had to cut her loose my pesos want long enough. I called it a day after getting a late dinner.

Monday.

I was tapped out my dick had been working overtime and I just needed rest. I went back to the beach ignored the vendors tried to get something from big DS but it was closed. I bought a presidente and some fish relaxed. I took a swim in the pool and just walked around getting numbers and getting a feel for the town. I was followed by a bunch of little beggar kids gave one of them a dollar and five joined him. Smoked and waited for my jets to play the bears went to rumbas and just chilled at the bar. There was a short chica average ass average breast but she was cool we talked brought her a beer and watched the game. Took her back for 2000 peso she was great like the rest of these professional fuckers I didn't think I had any more Leche but I busted twice. She wanted to spend the night but I wanted the bed to myself.

Tuesday.

My last full day. Had the excellent ng breakfast saw all the chicas doing the walk of Shame or getting breakfast. I swam and chilled. I communicated through watsapp telling chicas I was leaving in the morning and I wanted to see them but I had no more pesos LOL. Two of them bit the line the dark skinned chica from Classicos came we had a session she took a nap but only wanted 100 peso for moto. I packed and spoke to Mignella at NG because checkout was 12 but my flight was at 6 she said I could use the room till 3 which was good enough for me. There was a big tits blonde chica hanging around NG I wanted a cheap nut so I hit her with 1000 and she took it. Average session busted my nut on her cheek (always wanted to bust on a chick face the NY girls not with it LOL).

Weds.

Departure day I had my second free session with Jissel my first Sosua chick was also my last for this trip. Gave her moto money. I packed and took my flight back to the concrete jungle. Sosua was everything you guys said it was. Being a young attractive dude helped with pricing I believe especially with the free sessions. These chicas are hip to websites like this and Facebook they don't want their pics taken I was able to take a few though.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1666431]We just happen to be lucky.

Air Canada, WestJet, CanJet, SunWing all fly direct from Toronto. Convenient times too. In some cases the package can be cheaper than the air fare alone (WTF?

Which is why I often finish up at the Casa Marina by default, even if I don't intend to stay there much. There was one week I stayed there last year when I didn't have one drink at the hotel although booze is free. That must be a record. But I only drink beer, and their beer always comes in plastic cups. I prefer that icy bottle dressed up like a penguin, so I usually drink off site.

For a little extra I can check in my GF, she loves it and brings in the Charamicos kids on the weekend. They enjoy the pool, buffet restaurant, organized kids games. The GF makes this great deal with reception (cousins), the youngest ones get in for free.

These kids are so polite, appreciative and well behaved, compared to NA kids, I get a real kick out of seeing them have fun. It's been 6 years for some of them and it's interesting watching them grow up.

I have such a good time down there, sometimes I forget what I'm really there for, LOL.[/QUOTE]I have a wingman that flies in from Toronto and he usually pays less for an all inclusive package than I do just for a flight. Usually WestJet staying at Casa Marina, he then rents a condo because Casa Marina is such a dump according to him, I've never been there.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1666431]I have such a good time down there, sometimes I forget what I'm really there for, LOL.[/QUOTE]That is very kind and nice of you as well!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1666431]We just happen to be lucky.






For a little extra I can check in my GF, she loves it and brings in the Charamicos kids on the weekend. They enjoy the pool, buffet restaurant, organized kids games. The GF makes this great deal with reception (cousins), the youngest ones get in for free.


.[/QUOTE]It is nice that you think of someone besides yourself.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1665060]I would admit that the Dominican Girls in the USA.

Are spoiled and rotten but when you do catch one and you start dating her and she is feeling you, At least you know there is no hidden agenda, like a typical 3rd World Girl.

Just my 2 Cents.[/QUOTE]This is what happens to those broads when they touch the shores of America (see attached photo), LOL!

Do they have chicas there during the day like New Garden did before Lorenzo's wife put a stop to it. In the past enjoyed the talent at NG but no more.

Ok fellas, need some advice. Was planning a trip in February, but my #1 spot is booked all month. Yes, I know February is the middle of high season. When this happened in the past, I'd just move my dates around, but I'm pretty locked into some dates this time.

I always planned that if this happened, that my backup spot would be Europa. Only problem is, I don't know how they work. Do they do reservations? Or is better to just walk in? If they do reservations, do they actually honor them?

I know some dudes like E and Grownman who just walk up and grab a room, but I won't be driving. So. Any and all advice is appreciated.

[QUOTE=Mose;1666725]Do they have chicas there during the day like New Garden did before Lorenzo's wife put a stop to it. [/QUOTE]24/7 just like 7/11!

[QUOTE=Mose;1666725]Do they have chicas there during the day like New Garden did before Lorenzo's wife put a stop to it. In the past enjoyed the talent at NG but no more.[/QUOTE]Not really. Approximately 4 months ago I think Wifried kind of kicked them out as they would always being hanging out on the couches in the reception area. Now they sometimes hangout in front, but a lot of girls make the rounds kind of like packs of wolves, walking by looking for guys in and around the entrance to the hotel. Sometimes when they come by I tell them to go to New Garden!

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1666751]Ok fellas, need some advice. Was planning a trip in February, but my #1 spot is booked all month. Yes, I know February is the middle of high season. When this happened in the past, I'd just move my dates around, but I'm pretty locked into some dates this time.

I always planned that if this happened, that my backup spot would be Europa. Only problem is, I don't know how they work. Do they do reservations? Or is better to just walk in? If they do reservations, do they actually honor them?

I know some dudes like E and Grownman who just walk up and grab a room, but I won't be driving. So. Any and all advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]And besides that, I emailed Europa yesterday because me and my dad are coming down on Feb 6 and now they want a deposit:

NOTE: In order to confirm your reservation, we request an advance payment of 30% of the total balance. The final payment can be completed at the reception the day of arrival. If the advance payment is not received, we cannot hold and guarantee the reservation and it will be subject to availability upon arrival.

For PayPal payments:

Email Address PayPal: [EMAIL]info@hotelplazaeuropa.com[/EMAIL].

CANCELLATION POLICIES:

A Reservation can be cancelled up to sixty-one (61) days prior to the arrival date and one hundred percent (100%) of the deposit will be refunded, minus the reservation fee of US $60. If cancelled between thirty-one (31) days and sixty (60) days prior to the arrival date, fifty percent (50%) of the deposit will be refunded, less the reserv.

I'm just wondering will anybody be on ground the 1st week of March the 2nd to the 8th. I was planning a trip around that time. I normally roll with my wingman but it's just me this time. I know it's hard to get bored with pussy around but after day 3 I might be warn out. I wanted to venture out a bit beyond Sousa even with my limited Spanish. Any recommendations? I'm not brave enough to rent a car. If anybody knows any events going on around that time inbox me.

Very interesting development Mr E. Diego is no longer the owner of Europa, an Italian guy owns it now. I believe Europa is still a walk-up hotel but they are being proactive and trying to lock clients in before they arrive. Glad to see you aren't going to have your Dad sleeping in the car in some Sosua alleyway LOL. There are way too many hotel options in Sosua for any hotel to be asking for deposits.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;1666594]I posted this on a different site putting it up here too.

For my first trip to Dr and mongering in general I had a blast. Unfortunately I had to go solo because my boys flaked but that didn't take anything away. I flew direct from JFK to POP short 3 HR flight. I stayed at New gardens new side and for the first couple days I was the only one there which was good because I had the pool to myself and a lot of privacy. When I was checking in I met a Haitian dude who showed me around. He brought me my first chica Jissel she wanted 3000 pesos and me being impatient gave it to her. She is a midget sex machine she rode and fucked like an expert with a condom BJ. Walked her back to rumbas and took a nap. Woke up and chi chi (Haitian kid) went to cCassicos at around 11 30 once again being impatient I got the first chica with a fat ass I saw paid 2000 for an st.

Thursday.

Got breakfast at new garden took a swim bought some shitty brown weed from chi chi by this time I was getting tired of him hanging around. I gave him 500 pesos for helping out the previous day and his entrance into Classicos. I got a mani pedi from Wendy and a chica offered me 1000 for a BJ I said fuck it she gave me a message and one of the best BBjs I've ever had I accidentally busted in her eye funny sight she wasn't expecting it gave her an extra 500 for it. Afterward got lunch at Rockys and met another chica we agreed to 1500 and off to new garden only thing now supposedly her baby father supposedly works there and she doesn't want to see him. The side I was in was deserted and no guard was around. (Mistake) after our session she didn't want to leave and then wanted 500 more pesos. I paid her the extra just to leave.

Friday.

The ng breakfast is really good. I decided to hit the beach and regretted my decision I was swarmed by people trying to sell me shit I wasn't interested in the vendors are very aggressive and can get very annoying. Chilled out for a little and got lunch on the way back I ran into a chica we agreed to 2000. She was a good fuck but then started talking about she needs money for school and shit wtf. She asked if she could come back tomorrow morning and I just shrugged (mistake). Took a nap and hit Classicos this time I waited and I realized I was fucking 6's and 7's where the 9's and tens were here the whole time. A dark skinned chica witha fat ass and obviously fake breast approached me by this time I was drunk as fuck we agreed to 2500st. We had a great session the chicks are like professional sex machines. We got high and then she asked me to walk her to Classicos as We were walking we saw a old crackhead looking chica (that moltisanti wants to fuck for 500 pesos) my chica warned me that she was mafia and to stay away from her. Sure enough walking back the crackhead approached and started rubbing on me and I felt her reach into my pocket for my phone I grabbed her wrist twisted it and shoved her walked away.

Saturday.

Sure enough the chica from the beach showed up in the morning. We got breakfast at NG and had a session. Afterward she was just hanging around she started talking about her school fees and her broken cell phone and yea I wanted her to leave she could tell and asked me if I wanted her to leave I said yes and she started crying. I gave her 3000 pesos (felt a little bad). I took a swim and went to the bank to withdraw some money I withdrew 15,000 and walked back to the room. That's when I realized my wallet was missing I must've dropped it or got pick pocketed. I was sick I had 6000 pesos left I called my bro back in the states and asked him to send me some cash through western union. He came through but it wasn't what I would've had with my wallet and bank card. I went to rumbas to watch football. I saw a nice looking brown skinned chica we agreed to 2000 peso and went off to NG. She was a trooper after 3 days of constant fucking it took me some time to nut. I took a swim smoked watched more football and took a nap. Woke up and hit Classicos this time on a mission I was getting a 10. I talked one chica who quoted me 5000 I got her down to 4000 (I would've paid that but I was low on peso because of wallet fiasco). Saw a sexy light skinned chica with beautiful eyes named Giselle she's in the candy shop already. She quoted me 3000 we took off and she had a car she drove us to the hotel but then claimed her friend was sick in the hospital. She dropped me off and I walked my ass to after one. Guess who I find on some dudes lap Gisselle LOL these hoes ain't loyal. I found a 9 named Erica she was exactly what I like big ass big titties sexy eyes. She was the best fuck of my whole trip.

Sunday.

Woke up in the morning and had another session then she went right back to sleep didn't wake up until 2 pm. It was cool I took a swim stocked up on condoms bought more shitty weed and woke her up. We went to NG for lunch and this ordered a thousand peso worth of food (wtf). She wanted to change her clothes so we took a moto concho to her apt where there were 3 scantily clad woman just lounging around giving me hungry looks. Spent time talked and flirted in my extremely limited Spanish. We went back to the room for another session even though I liked this chica I had to cut her loose my pesos want long enough. I called it a day after getting a late dinner.

Monday.

I was tapped out my dick had been working overtime and I just needed rest. I went back to the beach ignored the vendors tried to get something from big DS but it was closed. I bought a presidente and some fish relaxed. I took a swim in the pool and just walked around getting numbers and getting a feel for the town. I was followed by a bunch of little beggar kids gave one of them a dollar and five joined him. Smoked and waited for my jets to play the bears went to rumbas and just chilled at the bar. There was a short chica average ass average breast but she was cool we talked brought her a beer and watched the game. Took her back for 2000 peso she was great like the rest of these professional fuckers I didn't think I had any more Leche but I busted twice. She wanted to spend the night but I wanted the bed to myself.

Tuesday.

My last full day. Had the excellent ng breakfast saw all the chicas doing the walk of Shame or getting breakfast. I swam and chilled. I communicated through watsapp telling chicas I was leaving in the morning and I wanted to see them but I had no more pesos LOL. Two of them bit the line the dark skinned chica from Classicos came we had a session she took a nap but only wanted 100 peso for moto. I packed and spoke to Mignella at NG because checkout was 12 but my flight was at 6 she said I could use the room till 3 which was good enough for me. There was a big tits blonde chica hanging around NG I wanted a cheap nut so I hit her with 1000 and she took it. Average session busted my nut on her cheek (always wanted to bust on a chick face the NY girls not with it LOL).

Weds.

Departure day I had my second free session with Jissel my first Sosua chick was also my last for this trip. Gave her moto money. I packed and took my flight back to the concrete jungle. Sosua was everything you guys said it was. Being a young attractive dude helped with pricing I believe especially with the free sessions. These chicas are hip to websites like this and Facebook they don't want their pics taken I was able to take a few though.[/QUOTE]This guy seems to have had only good sessions in Sosua of all places. I'm in the US flogging my donkey right now. Reading posts like this makes me want to hop on a flight to DR pronto.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1666917]This guy seems to have had only good sessions in Sosua of all places. I'm in the US flogging my donkey right now. Reading posts like this makes me want to hop on a flight to DR pronto.[/QUOTE]Yes, I really enjoyed his reporting but he obviously didn't spend any time reading the forum before his trip. He made every rookie mistake in the book, but now he knows. Buying dirt weed, getting pick pocketed and spending 6 k-8 k a day for ass. He will be a wiser traveler next time. Luckily he didn't get hurt or wind up in a Dominican jail.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1666917]This guy seems to have had only good sessions in Sosua of all places. I'm in the US flogging my donkey right now. Reading posts like this makes me want to hop on a flight to DR pronto.[/QUOTE]Yeah but are you a "young attractive guy" like him?

I want to know how he could withdraw 15,000 from an ATM though.

The max was 10,000. I withdrew 10 and then another 5.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1666933]Yeah but are you a "young attractive guy" like him?

I want to know how he could withdraw 15,000 from an ATM though.[/QUOTE]Easy. Your daily limit is set by your USA Bank, not the ATM, the ATM controls how much money per transaction you can withdraw. My bank, Schwab, allows me to take $4,000. USD per day, the ATM that I use allows 10,000 pesos per transaction. Yesterday I withdrew 30,000. Pesos in three transactions. Keep in mind that the ATM is charging you a fee for every transaction, this ATM charges 175 pesos so I was charged a total of 525 pesos to withdraw the 30,000 but Schwab reimburses me for ALL ATM fees and does not charge a foreign transaction fee which most USA Banks charge anywhere between 1 and 3 %. Schwab is the best if you travel a lot.

[QUOTE=KaneMyers718;1666900]I'm just wondering will anybody be on ground the 1st week of March the 2nd to the 8th. I was planning a trip around that time. I normally roll with my wingman but it's just me this time. I know it's hard to get bored with pussy around but after day 3 I might be warn out. I wanted to venture out a bit beyond Sousa even with my limited Spanish. Any recommendations? I'm not brave enough to rent a car. If anybody knows any events going on around that time inbox me.[/QUOTE]This is your fourth trip to Sosua, right? To be honest, you should be way past such questions by now. You should already know that:

(1) There are always mongers around to chat with and, if you get on well, to do things with. Post on here the day before you arrive. If you have paid a subscription here you can communicate by PM.

(2) You are wise not to rent a car if you are not comfortable with doing so, but it is very cheap, easy and safe to visit neighboring towns and villages such as Puerto Plata, Cabarete, Montellano, Gaspar Hernandez, etc. , by public transport. And further afield if you want a whole day out, to Santiago or Rio San Juan. I was doing all that, and more, by my second trip and I was a decrepit old fart on a tight budget and minimal Spanish.

But don't fall into the trap of taking on a Dominican "guide" or using private taxis a lot or they will soon relieve you of most of your holiday cash.

I am guessing you will be better off and achieve more without your wingman. He seems to have been cramping your style.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1666963]Easy. Your daily limit is set by your USA Bank, not the ATM, the ATM controls how much money per transaction you can withdraw. My bank, Schwab, allows me to take $4,000. USD per day, the ATM that I use allows 10,000 pesos per transaction. Yesterday I withdrew 30,000. Pesos in three transactions. Keep in mind that the ATM is charging you a fee for every transaction, this ATM charges 175 pesos so I was charged a total of 525 pesos to withdraw the 30,000 but Schwab reimburses me for ALL ATM fees and does not charge a foreign transaction fee which most USA Banks charge anywhere between 1 and 3 %. Schwab is the best if you travel a lot.[/QUOTE]I have had my Charles Schwab account since last April. I've made plenty of 30000 to 36000 peso ATM transactions (10000 or 12000 pesos each transaction). All fees reimbursed at the end of the month. The most I have withdrawn at one time was 4 transactions of 10000 pesos. I've never tested to see what my limit would be with my bank. But I do know the ATM may have a limit in how much a customer can withdraw. Like only 5000 pesos max.

Anybody coming down Super Bowl week, I suggest they bring enough cash to exchange with, and not rely mostly on using an ATM. I'm sure the machines will adjust or be adjusted to limit how much can be withdrawn, due to the heavy volume of users during that time. You don't want to end up short on funds because you relied on getting cash from an ATM.

Also, I used Schwab to make a wire transfer to purchase something in the DR. Schwab allows you to link your other financial institutions to your Schwab account. That way you can transfer funds from those linked accounts into your Schwab account, and use only your Schwab Visa debit card to make withdrawals as needed.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;1666594]I posted this on a different site putting it up here too.

For my first trip to Dr and mongering in general I had a blast. Unfortunately I had to go solo because my boys flaked but that didn't take anything away. I flew direct from JFK to POP

Weds.

Departure day I had my second free session with Jissel my first Sosua chick was also my last for this trip. Gave her moto money. I packed and took my flight back to the concrete jungle. Sosua was everything you guys said it was. Being a young attractive dude helped with pricing I believe especially with the free sessions. These chicas are hip to websites like this and Facebook they don't want their pics taken I was able to take a few though.[/QUOTE]Awe young pimpin your trip report was good but your homework was terrible. You over pay on pussy, walking around with you wallet, hanging with crabs, spend extra on breakfest, I can understand the weed, but dam! Your homework suck. You have a ***** 3000 pesos because you felt sorry. She. They played you like a phuzkin piano. You don't know how to say no. The read that on you and you paid dearly. You say you are young and good looking. Since I been in Sosua I never been quoted over 3000 peso but hey I am average. I am glad the chicas showed you love at the end those were your riders. I no losing your money killed your spirit but you recovered well. More homework please! Why didn't you just ask for help.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1667011]I have had my Charles Schwab account since last April. I've made plenty of 30000 to 36000 peso ATM transactions (10000 or 12000 pesos each transaction). All fees reimbursed at the end of the month.[/QUOTE]E-Trade refunds ALL ATM fees [B]immediately[/B]. I have both.

The young fella went lone wolf which takes balls. He made mistakes but did not let them stop him from having a great time. . I am sure he learned a great deal, he paid top dollar but was happy with his sessions. He even got a couple of freebies. You can not compare serious mongers with a first time newbie. Part of the fun is learning from your mistakes. Was the weed he smoked any good. I have always been afraid to buy the local product.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1667057]Awe young pimpin your trip report was good but your homework was terrible. You over pay on pussy, walking around with you wallet, hanging with crabs, spend extra on breakfest, I can understand the weed, but dam! Your homework suck. You have a ***** 3000 pesos because you felt sorry. She. They played you like a phuzkin piano. You don't know how to say no. The read that on you and you paid dearly. You say you are young and good looking. Since I been in Sosua I never been quoted over 3000 peso but hey I am average. I am glad the chicas showed you love at the end those were your riders. I no losing your money killed your spirit but you recovered well. More homework please! Why didn't you just ask for help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1666751]Ok fellas, need some advice. Was planning a trip in February, but my #1 spot is booked all month. Yes, I know February is the middle of high season. When this happened in the past, I'd just move my dates around, but I'm pretty locked into some dates this time.

I always planned that if this happened, that my backup spot would be Europa. Only problem is, I don't know how they work. Do they do reservations? Or is better to just walk in? If they do reservations, do they actually honor them?

I know some dudes like E and Grownman who just walk up and grab a room, but I won't be driving. So. Any and all advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Some of the best times I've had were when I didn't have a room booked and just winged it.

Wherever you are, there's always a room to be had somewhere. You can enlist the help of a local as long as you avoid the pimps and scammers.

Even the fully booked hotels usually have an overflow arrangement with others in the area. They'll be happy to pass along your business to friends.

I've gone through Europe without the languages this way and met some memorable people and situations. Just go!

(The only one time it failed me was in Great Falls MT, during an airline strike. There were no rooms to be had anywhere, so I was in a local pub chatting up the waitress. Were getting along ok and and I offered to take her home after work. She laughed and said, you don't have a room do you? Seems she'd been propositioned all night by stranded flyers, but her boyfriend was picking her up.

Couldn't even find a hooker. Spent that night back at the airport on a hard bench).

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1666933]Yeah but are you a "young attractive guy" like him?[/QUOTE]If I were young and attractive I would have women paying me for sex and would not be buffing my banana so much.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1667258]The young fella went lone wolf which takes balls. He made mistakes but did not let them stop him from having a great time. . I am sure he learned a great deal, he paid top dollar but was happy with his sessions. He even got a couple of freebies. You can not compare serious mongers with a first time newbie. Part of the fun is learning from your mistakes. Was the weed he smoked any good. I have always been afraid to buy the local product.[/QUOTE]Newbie Reports are the life blood of the board. Mistakes, missteps, misspending and all. Takes us all back to our rookie days.

We should be gentle in our criticism, otherwise folks won't post their mistakes, only successes.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1667258]The young fella went lone wolf which takes balls. He made mistakes but did not let them stop him from having a great time. . I am sure he learned a great deal, he paid top dollar but was happy with his sessions. He even got a couple of freebies. You can not compare serious mongers with a first time newbie. Part of the fun is learning from your mistakes. Was the weed he smoked any good. I have always been afraid to buy the local product.[/QUOTE]I agree 100 percent.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1667258]The young fella went lone wolf which takes balls. He made mistakes but did not let them stop him from having a great time. . I am sure he learned a great deal, he paid top dollar but was happy with his sessions. He even got a couple of freebies. You can not compare serious mongers with a first time newbie. Part of the fun is learning from your mistakes. Was the weed he smoked any good. I have always been afraid to buy the local product.[/QUOTE]And here I thought I was being nice. Steel is not new to this game. He's mongered in Brazil and the DR Sosua prior to this day. He's given his input and advice in other forms as well as this one so he knows the value of information on these boards. I was waiting to see if my man Sigmund Freud was going to expose it. He was in Sosua back September so he says. Hmmmm Steel are you trying to run game on us. He was the only one in the hotel makes me question this trip report. I could be mistaken and he is giving his trip report from September if that's the case I stand corrected and apologize.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1666751]Ok fellas, need some advice. Was planning a trip in February, but my #1 spot is booked all month. Yes, I know February is the middle of high season. When this happened in the past, I'd just move my dates around, but I'm pretty locked into some dates this time.

I always planned that if this happened, that my backup spot would be Europa. Only problem is, I don't know how they work. Do they do reservations? Or is better to just walk in? If they do reservations, do they actually honor them?

I know some dudes like E and Grownman who just walk up and grab a room, but I won't be driving. So. Any and all advice is appreciated.[/QUOTE]What I love about the DR is just walking up and getting my room. I have only experienced one time during very high season Europa did not come through. There were plenty of other hotels if I wanted to pay more. I don't think you are going to have a problem. However whatever room you pick make sure that room is available for you during your whole duration if you like it. Otherwise you will be playing musical hotels. They honor reservations first

I'm a complete newbie visiting Sosua for the first time for my first P4P experience in a few days. I have read posts going back over a year and gained much valuable information from the contributors of this forum. Thank you, guys. However, I had a serious case of information overload. Pros and cons, what to do and what not to do, all that knowledge jumble up together in my head. In the end, the only way to experience Sosua is to go there. And so I scrounged up the little vacation time that I had and flying in very soon for a short period of time. I intend to hit the ground running as to enjoy the most of the time I am there. Landing with boxful of condoms and I don't intend to bring back any.

I'm of Asian heritage. I'm pretty frugal and good at sticking with a budget. Also, I don't really need to drink to have a good time. So much of my budget can be directed to getting the girls. The BBQ in Sosua sounds delicious though. (BigD's or rocky's).

I do intend to enjoy as many of Sosua's delights as possible, morning to night. If 1000-1500 or 2000 pesos for ST, 2000 or more for LT is what you guys say is the going rate, I can stick to it. I learned from you guys to state what I am willing to pay first, negotiate and discuss everything upfront. Safer for a newbie like me that way.

I speak no real Spanish (which I understand could prevent me from enjoying Sosua to the fullest) but do intend to study the basic before I get there. Google Translate is going with me.

I am humbled by the experience of the members of this forum. Right now, I'm probably over-confident because I am excited to finally be in Sosua for real. I am very sure that I will most definitively make many mistakes on this trip. The only thing I can do is turn up the frequency and try not to make the same mistake twice. Any tips or thoughts will be greatly valued by me as specially with the matter of getting the girls. Even tough love will be very welcomed at this point.

See you in Sosua. I'll post what I will find out there.

[QUOTE=Black43;1667609]I'm a complete newbie visiting Sosua for the first time for my first P4P experience in a few days. I have read posts going back over a year and gained much valuable information from the contributors of this forum ... etc[/QUOTE]Looks like you are doing all the right preparation and have an excellent attitude. You should have a great trip.

Keep on with your Spanish up to the day you fly. Every little helps. I advise you to concentrate on the numerals, including hundreds and thousands. This is where most newbies come unstuck.

You do not say for how long you are there. (Tip: don't tell chicas and other locals which day you are leaving). Have you decided on a hotel? No real need, you can find one when you arrive, assuming you arrive in daylight.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1667469]And here I thought I was being nice. Steel is not new to this game. He's mongered in Brazil and the DR Sosua prior to this day. He's given his input and advice in other forms as well as this one so he knows the value of information on these boards. I was waiting to see if my man Sigmund Freud was going to expose it. He was in Sosua back September so he says. Hmmmm Steel are you trying to run game on us. He was the only one in the hotel makes me question this trip report. I could be mistaken and he is giving his trip report from September if that's the case I stand corrected and apologize.[/QUOTE]LOL yall are funny. Indeed it was my trip report from September. I stayed at new gardens newest side I was the only one there besides the guard and cleaning lady for the first 5 days of my trip. If there were other guests staying in that side I didn't see them. Yep my mongering experience before this took place in Cancun Mexico it wasn't much a taxi took me to a strip club / brothel. I also met a girl in a bar on the strip there I thought I successfully ran game on her when she agreed to come to my hotel then she hit me with "how much you offer". LOL before my September trip I was pretty inexperienced. Anyway ill be returning for Superbowl weekend. I know its going to be packed but anything else I need to know about going there for Superbowl?

[QUOTE=Black43;1667609]I'm a complete newbie visiting Sosua for the first time for my first P4P experience in a few days. I have read posts going back over a year and gained much valuable information from the contributors of this forum. Thank you, guys. However, I had a serious case of information overload. Pros and cons, what to do and what not to do, all that knowledge jumble up together in my head. In the end, the only way to experience Sosua is to go there. And so I scrounged up the little vacation time that I had and flying in very soon for a short period of time. I intend to hit the ground running as to enjoy the most of the time I am there. Landing with boxful of condoms and I don't intend to bring back any.

I'm of Asian heritage. I'm pretty frugal and good at sticking with a budget. Also, I don't really need to drink to have a good time. So much of my budget can be directed to getting the girls. The BBQ in Sosua sounds delicious though. (BigD's or rocky's).

I do intend to enjoy as many of Sosua's delights as possible, morning to night. If 1000-1500 or 2000 pesos for ST, 2000 or more for LT is what you guys say is the going rate, I can stick to it. I learned from you guys to state what I am willing to pay first, negotiate and discuss everything upfront. Safer for a newbie like me that way.

I speak no real Spanish (which I understand could prevent me from enjoying Sosua to the fullest) but do intend to study the basic before I get there. Google Translate is going with me.

I am humbled by the experience of the members of this forum. Right now, I'm probably over-confident because I am excited to finally be in Sosua for real. I am very sure that I will most definitively make many mistakes on this trip. The only thing I can do is turn up the frequency and try not to make the same mistake twice. Any tips or thoughts will be greatly valued by me as specially with the matter of getting the girls. Even tough love will be very welcomed at this point.

See you in Sosua. I'll post what I will find out there.[/QUOTE]This'll be my first Sosua Super Bowl as well and I keep reading that during the Super Bowl the town is filled with chicas who jack up their prices because of the demand.

If I can find any ST under 2000 I'll be happy.

Also I don't expect to find any LT / TLN as the chicas will try to generate as high a turnover as possible (profits) and will be watching the clock and trying to hurry out of the room.

[QUOTE=Black43;1667609]I'm a complete newbie visiting Sosua for the first time for my first P4P experience in a few days. I have read posts going back over a year and gained much valuable information from the contributors of this forum. Thank you, guys. However, I had a serious case of information overload. Pros and cons, what to do and what not to do, all that knowledge jumble up together in my head. In the end, the only way to experience Sosua is to go there. [/QUOTE]This is correct. However just relax and remember that this is a vacation, not a combat zone posting. Newbies tend to get a bit overexcited and for that reason they make some poor decisions. It is easy to say that one will stick to prices, etc. But when some lovely young thing is rubbing your thigh, squeezing your crotch, and murmuring into your ear, it can be difficult to say no if you are not experienced in that situation. It is best to back off a bit, tell them you never pay for sex, tell them you are getting married next month, tell them you are married, so make them work for your business.

Try to be the consumer, not the consumed.

Even so it can be hit and miss, especially because you will be a target for the old hands spotting a newbie in town.

However, just lie back and enjoy it, relax, and you will most likely have a really great time. Just lower your expectations a bit and you may be pleasantly surprised to the upside.

[QUOTE=Black43;1667609]I'm of Asian heritage. I'm pretty frugal.[/QUOTE]Redundant!!

Haha enjoy your trip man. Yeah all the information here can be overwhelming as well as contradictory at the same time. I'm surprised you didn't get discouraged and booked a trip to Colombia or Brazil instead.

Since you mentioned BBQ, I'll give some input on food. You'll find that Dominicans eat very little vegetables. Unless you're staying at all-inclusive (which I don't recommend) or a hotel with a nicer restaurant, the local menus are pretty much limited to lettuce and tomatoes salads. Find time to hit the grocery store for some fruits and fiber-rich foods.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1667752]This'll be my first Sosua Super Bowl as well and I keep reading that during the Super Bowl the town is filled with chicas who jack up their prices because of the demand.

If I can find any ST under 2000 I'll be happy.

Also I don't expect to find any LT / TLN as the chicas will try to generate as high a turnover as possible (profits) and will be watching the clock and trying to hurry out of the room.[/QUOTE]You can find girls for 2000, but around Super Bowl weekend, don't expect any hot ones (The 9's and the 10's). My Friend went To DR last Year for Super Bowl weekend and the girls were quoting $100-$150 US. Or 6000-7000 pesos. And if you want Long term you can.

Forget about it. A lot of these girls will rush you so they can go back to the strip to make more money. Sorry for me I like to go to Sosua around Low Season. I like when these puta are hungry for customers and they will gladly take 1500 pesos. Super Bowl Weekend is the.

Worst. Expect the Chica Price to be expensive and Rush Service. But the plus side is that your going to see the best of the best that weekend. All the really attractive Dominican girls will be in town, because they know around super bowl weekend alot of guys will be in.

Town so that's a good change they will make alot of money.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1667854]You can find girls for 2000, but around Super Bowl weekend, don't expect any hot ones (The 9's and the 10's). My Friend went To DR last Year for Super Bowl weekend and the girls were quoting $100-$150 US. Or 6000-7000 pesos. And if you want Long term you can.

Forget about it. A lot of these girls will rush you so they can go back to the strip to make more money. Sorry for me I like to go to Sosua around Low Season. I like when these puta are hungry for customers and they will gladly take 1500 pesos. Super Bowl Weekend is the.

Worst. Expect the Chica Price to be expensive and Rush Service. But the plus side is that your going to see the best of the best that weekend. All the really attractive Dominican girls will be in town, because they know around super bowl weekend alot of guys will be in.

Town so that's a good change they will make alot of money.[/QUOTE]What is the point of seeing nice looking chicas when they are over charging and the service will suck. Fuck just looking, I want a good fuck.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1667907]What is the point of seeing nice looking chicas when they are over charging and the service will suck. Fuck just looking, I want a good fuck.[/QUOTE]Well its all supply and demand. They can demand that price because there is going to be alot guys in town. All Weekend millionaires are going to be in town during Super Bowl weekend, So the Chicas can jack the price up and the performance is going to be horrible.

Don't count on GFE. Your not going to get it that weekend. Again not to sound like a broken record, The Plus side to Super Bowl weekend is that your going to see nothing but Stunnas, The 9's and Dimes are going to come out heavy that weekend. But I'm a Veteran.

What's the point of good looks when your going to pay $150 Dollars for a Mechanical Nut. If I'm going to pay $100-$150 I might as well stay in the US and just hit up backpage. Its not worth spending the flight or hotel. The whole point on traveling to DR is for the cheap sex and the GFE experience. Well I can only speak for myself. The only way place overseas, I will pay $100 for a nut is Brazil. I know I'm going to get pornstar sex with a Brazilian chick. These Dominican girls its a hit or miss, Most of them are lazy and only care.

About the leche.

I have never seen Souza with more guys then girls. Super bowl must bring out the ballers. More money then brains. I would not change my flow even if I had to import talent.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1667932]Well its all supply and demand. They can demand that price because there is going to be alot guys in town. All Weekend millionaires are going to be in town during Super Bowl weekend, So the Chicas can jack the price up and the performance is going to be horrible.

Don't count on GFE. Your not going to get it that weekend. Again not to sound like a broken record, The Plus side to Super Bowl weekend is that your going to see nothing but Stunnas, The 9's and Dimes are going to come out heavy that weekend. But I'm a Veteran.

What's the point of good looks when your going to pay $150 Dollars for a Mechanical Nut. If I'm going to pay $100-$150 I might as well stay in the US and just hit up backpage. Its not worth spending the flight or hotel. The whole point on traveling to DR is for the.

Cheap Sex and the GFE experience. Well I can only speak for myself. The only way place overseas, I will pay $100 for a nut is Brazil. I know I'm going to get pornstar sex with a Brazilian chick. These Dominican girls its a hit or miss, Most of them are lazy and only care.

About the leche.[/QUOTE]Superbowl weekend is for sport-fucking and it's exactly what the guys in town will be looking for.

I plan to leave town before that weekend so I don't have too observe the spectacle of the sport-fuckers and the Chicas in action.

The best times in Sosua are the slow times.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1667776]This is correct. However just relax and remember that this is a vacation, not a combat zone posting. Newbies tend to get a bit overexcited and for that reason they make some poor decisions. It is easy to say that one will stick to prices, etc. But when some lovely young thing is rubbing your thigh, squeezing your crotch, and murmuring into your ear, it can be difficult to say no if you are not experienced in that situation. It is best to back off a bit, tell them you never pay for sex, tell them you are getting married next month, tell them you are married, so make them work for your business.
Try to be the consumer, not the consumed.

Even so it can be hit and miss, especially because you will be a target for the old hands spotting a newbie in town.

However, just lie back and enjoy it, relax, and you will most likely have a really great time. Just lower your expectations a bit and you may be pleasantly surprised to the upside.[/QUOTE]"Try to be the consumer, not the consumed. " Love it. I think I'll go with the "I have a GF back home" excuse. Thank you. Yes, some women just have a way of dropping a man's defenses, pants and his wallet, indeed. I am fully aware I will make mistakes. It will definitely suck when it happens. It will suck even more if I know I did everything right and still got hit with a dud. If I screw the whole trip up and end up sitting on the beach, eating BBQ and with a beer or two for a couple of days, it will still be a vacation worth going. As for sticking with prices. I have seen the scorn (tough love) you guys give newbies when they overpay in this forum. Some extra motivation to be on firm price and budget, huh? .

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1667823]Redundant!

Haha enjoy your trip man. Yeah all the information here can be overwhelming as well as contradictory at the same time. I'm surprised you didn't get discouraged and booked a trip to Colombia or Brazil instead.
Find time to hit the grocery store for some fruits and fiber-rich foods.[/QUOTE]Hahaha You are quite right on the money on that one. I did actually read quite a bit about Brazil thanks of the guys posting in that forum. Ah the allure of Brazil! They were several reasons I passed on Brazil for my first p4 p trip. Longer flight time, no exposure to portuguese, cost and so on. For strange reason, Termas (which the forum touches on the most) didn't really sound appealing to me while German FKKs sound kinda fun. Weird. The leg work involved exploring other options in Brazil (prives, etc) seem to be better reserved for a longer trip than I can arrange right now. Brazil will be probably be my next trip as I want to go before the 2016 Olympics monkey business starts. The Philippines seems fun as well.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1667713]Keep on with your Spanish up to the day you fly. Every little helps. I advise you to concentrate on the numerals, including hundreds and thousands. This is where most newbies come unstuck. You do not say for how long you are there. (Tip: don't tell chicas and other locals which day you are leaving). Have you decided on a hotel? No real need, you can find one when you arrive, assuming you arrive in daylight.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the advice on studying up my Spanish. I arranged my stay at Rocky's. Partly for economic reasons as I do not know how this first trip will pan out for me, but also I figure I can't go wrong being in the center of it all location wise. Most of the posts in Sosua forum talk of the Rocky's fondly as well.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668165]Superbowl weekend is for sport-fucking and it's exactly what the guys in town will be looking for.

I plan to leave town before that weekend so I don't have too observe the spectacle of the sport-fuckers and the Chicas in action.

The best times in Sosua are the slow times.[/QUOTE]That why I will be in town a few weeks after the Superbowl I avoid all holidays. I come either before or after it works out because for the most part those people can only come when their low tier government jobs are closed such as holidays and a random weekend that they saved up for sport fucking just to boring now.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668165]Superbowl weekend is for sport-fucking and it's exactly what the guys in town will be looking for.

I plan to leave town before that weekend so I don't have too observe the spectacle of the sport-fuckers and the Chicas in action.

The best times in Sosua are the slow times.[/QUOTE]Yeah if your a sport fucker and don't mind the inflated price then its not all that bad. Superbowl weekend is like Christmas for Putas. The baddest Dominican girls from all over the island are going to come to Sosua. So expect some high quality stunners. Nothing but 10's.

I prefer the slow times like you. I'm cheap and don't want to spend no more than 2,000 pesos on a puta.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1668208]Yeah if your a sport fucker and don't mind the inflated price then its not all that bad. Superbowl weekend is like Christmas for Putas. The baddest Dominican girls from all over the island are going to come to Sosua. So expect some high quality stunners. Nothing but 10's.

I prefer the slow times like you. I'm cheap and don't want to spend no more than 2,000 pesos on a puta.[/QUOTE]2,000 Pesos on a Puta is lot. If your cheap and can speak some Spanish you should be able to better than that.

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1668199]That why I will be in town a few weeks after the Superbowl I avoid all holidays. I come either before or after it works out because for the most part those people can only come when their low tier government jobs are closed such as holidays and a random weekend that they saved up for sport fucking just to boring now.[/QUOTE]I used to be the same way until last year (avoiding holidays due to gringo influx), but my current job makes traveling during holidays very attractive. I work a 9/80 schedule, so that combined with a national holiday I can get a 7 or 8 day trip using only 3 or 4 vacation days. That gives me the flexibly to travel multiple times during the year as opposed to burning a full week or two without combining them with holidays.

I don't work for the Gubbermint though, lol.

What's the cover charge at Club X and how does it compare to Classico?

Last night was crazy quiet in Sosa. Is Sunday the most quiet day here?

I was at Classico and it just died at about 2 am Will there be more people there on Mondays? Tuesdays?

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1668199]That why I will be in town a few weeks after the Superbowl I avoid all holidays. I come either before or after it works out because for the most part those people can only come when their low tier government jobs are closed such as holidays and a random weekend that they saved up for sport fucking just to boring now.[/QUOTE]Why is it on every forum you sound like a hater? If someone wants to go on a sports fucking binge how does it effect you? Low tier government jobs.

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1668199]That why I will be in town a few weeks after the Superbowl I avoid all holidays. I come either before or after it works out because for the most part those people can only come when their low tier government jobs are closed such as holidays and a random weekend that they saved up for sport fucking just to boring now.[/QUOTE]I am with you. After spending Easter, July 4, Labor day, New Years in the DR last year and hearing about Super Bowl; I am done with going on holidays and special events. I like my chicas hungry.

Grown man's quick guide for the DR.

Touts: these guys try to play middleman in between you and your chica because they speak English and Spanish. They get a kickback from the Chica when they help the Chica make a deal with you. And they expect you to give them a tip for helping you secure your chica. They are opportunists only interested in how fast they can get or bum off you as quick as possible. They look for guys who are alone or groups that are not confident in communication. Sometimes they are useful to translate to / for a Chica that you just don't underdstand. If you have to use them give them 40 to 100 pesos and keep it moving. Let them know if you need help you will come to them otherwise you're good. Letting them hang with you is foolish because they are grimy and you will be buying drinks and hearing sob stories for money. Never open your wallet in front of them.

Sales people: these people will sell you anything that you might look at. If you glance in their direction to look at their product it's a sign of weakness and they will push hard to get whatever money they can out of you. No thank you is polite but it does not help. When these people are talking to you just pretend like they don't exist. We consider this rude but that's not how they consider it. Do not give them Eye contact. If all else fails us tell them you are only here to buy pussy that's it.

Beggars: they have no conscience. A lot of them start off with a handshake and / or a polite greeting. Once they have eye contact with you they set in for the kill of your Dinero. Keep walking pretend like they don't exist. They are skilled to look for any signs of weakness. Some may even get you to commit you to give them something for tomorrow. They make sounds to grab you attention like. Hey my friend. Or hola my brother.

Service providers: this includes cabdrivers barbers manicurist massages ect. Always ask how much first. Make them repeat the price. Never agree to the initial price everything is based on bargaining.

Chicas: know how much you are going to spend for a Chica and put that money on you securely. Never let her lead you make her walk behind you. This is a psychological move of who's in control. Never offer her the whole amout. Let 300 to 500 pesos be a tip and explained it to her she gets it only if she's good and everything goes accordingly. Example: you willing to give 2500. Tell her 2000 and a big tip if she's good. If she will not compromise keep walking she's playing you / and you probably saved yourself a headache. Let her know that's all the money you have left. Showing her more money is inviting her to beg. Don't be afraid to sit her in the lobby and record the amount expectations and the time on your phone before she goes in your room. Any signs from her of negativity end the conversation no questions. If you really like her she'll be primed for the next day and she'll know you mean business.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;1668276]Why is it on every forum you sound like a hater? If someone wants to go on a sports fucking binge how does it effect you? Low tier government jobs.[/QUOTE]You tell me. Well if someone wants to go on a sport fucking I don't care. If the majority of the male in town are then it would be because that effects the attitude of the chicas you interact with the knowing they make more money by rushing and getting back out there in the club. If people aren't sport fucking then the girl may not get picked again but if everybody just trying to but up numbers its a guarantee she will and she knows it. The over all vibe at those times is just something I don't care for. Bus driver correction officer.

Do the chicas that flood Sosua for Super Bowl Weekend leave immediately or is Monday, Tuesday, etc. pretty good in chica choices too?

The best scenario is the flood of NYC dudes leave on Monday but many of the chicas hang around and the ratio is absolutely lopsided in the favor of dudes who haven't left yet.

Maybe then prices can start to fall.

[QUOTE=Lou32;1668315]Do the chicas that flood Sosua for Super Bowl Weekend leave immediately or is Monday, Tuesday, etc. Pretty good in chica choices too?

The best scenario is the flood of NYC dudes leaves on Monday but many of the chicas hang around and the ratio is absolutely lopsided in the favor of dudes who haven't left yet.

Maybe then prices can start to fall.[/QUOTE]Most of them come around Thursday and leave around Sunday Night or Monday Morning. I doubt they will stick around, Mondays-Wednesday is usually slow. Things don't pick up until Thursday. Thursday-Saturday is good.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1668288]Grown man's quick guide for the DR.
[/QUOTE]Good post GrownMan.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1668288]Grown man's quick guide for the DR..[/QUOTE]So being the guider of those who venture to DR I solicit your advice in a double booking problem I have.

I inadvertently notified two of my DC Chicas, one a Haitian and the other a Dominican of my arrival on the 20th of this month. Major screw up on my part. Unfortunately both of these Chicas which I have a kind of "novio" history with think I'm only coming to see them which is never the case. If the Haitian knew I was seeing someone else, well she'd be gone in a minute whereas the Dominican might be more accepting. These Chicas are semi-pros as they meet guys via the Internet versus on the Strip. I'm in Sosua for 8 days and would like too see both of them without them knowing, and being under the illusion I'm only there to see them besides some sport fucking on the side. Any thoughts on this?

Having girls who you know are on point is a good thing. Tell one your schedule has changed. Shit happens, Remember they probably have the same problem. When of their clients are in town at the same time. I love the GF illusion but at the end of the day your cash is boss. I have 2 none pro sisters I bang when I am in town. They no I have been with both but never bring it up. Sex with them is some of the best I get on my trips.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668353]So being the guider of those who venture to DR I solicit your advice in a double booking problem I have.

I inadvertently notified two of my DC Chicas, one a Haitian and the other a Dominican of my arrival on the 20th of this month. Major screw up on my part. Unfortunately both of these Chicas which I have a kind of "novio" history with think I'm only coming to see them which is never the case. If the Haitian knew I was seeing someone else, well she'd be gone in a minute whereas the Dominican might be more accepting. These Chicas are semi-pros as they meet guys via the Internet versus on the Strip. I'm in Sosua for 8 days and would like too see both of them without them knowing, and being under the illusion I'm only there to see them besides some sport fucking on the side. Any thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668353]So being the guider of those who venture to DR I solicit your advice in a double booking problem I have.

I inadvertently notified two of my DC Chicas, one a Haitian and the other a Dominican of my arrival on the 20th of this month. Major screw up on my part. Unfortunately both of these Chicas which I have a kind of "novio" history with think I'm only coming to see them which is never the case. If the Haitian knew I was seeing someone else, well she'd be gone in a minute whereas the Dominican might be more accepting. These Chicas are semi-pros as they meet guys via the Internet versus on the Strip. I'm in Sosua for 8 days and would like too see both of them without them knowing, and being under the illusion I'm only there to see them besides some sport fucking on the side. Any thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]Change your date from the 20th to the 23rd with the Haitian. Let the another one know you only has 3 days until you come and pick me up from Punta Cana.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1668384]Change your date from the 20th to the 23rd with the Haitian. Let the another one know you only has 3 days until you come and pick me up from Punta Cana.[/QUOTE]I wish it was that simple.

These girls are desperate for my greenbacks and both very different. The Dominican is more of a player so I might just tell her I have few days I can spend with her and will be with other friends and she can accept or reject it. A friend of mine who has met the Dominican (and wants to get in her pants) thinks she would go for what I'm thinking about. This would never fly with the Haitian. I wish I could have a combination of both of these Chicas. Totally opposite personality wise, different body types, and both very attractive and nasty.

It's rough having to deal with this, perhaps I should just cancel my trip so I don't have to deal with this very serious problem!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668405]I wish it was that simple.

These girls are desperate for my greenbacks and both very different. The Dominican is more of a player so I might just tell her I have few days I can spend with her and will be with other friends and she can accept or reject it. A friend of mine who has met the Dominican (and wants to get in her pants) thinks she would go for what I'm thinking about. This would never fly with the Haitian. I wish I could have a combination of both of these Chicas. Totally opposite personality wise, different body types, and both very attractive and nasty.

It's rough having to deal with this, perhaps I should just cancel my trip so I don't have to deal with this very serious problem![/QUOTE]First off, all ongoing relationships with chicas get to this point. You want to maintain the GFE, but also want some freedom to do your own thing, on your own time, no hassle. So you start lying, scheming, manipulating and inconveniencing yourself so's not to disappoint her or get her mad at you. (one guy here recently posted that he would sneak out at 1. 00 am on the pretense of being hungry, while the chica was asleep in his bed) Pretty soon you find yourself in a soap opera of your own choosing. You're losing control.

To break out of this, you have to lay down the law, be strong but consistent and show them that, while you can be a good occasional novio, you insist on control and freedom.

Each relationship is based on different, often unspoken ground rules, but generally with a GF, it's being discreet and avoiding publicly embarrassing her (you want the same from her, right?

When I'm with my GF, we are basically a monogamous couple. Nobody, male or female can come between us, so we can have fun, go anywhere together and have no arguments. It's a confident, secure relationship, when we are together.

It wasn't always this way. A couple years ago she was getting a little demanding and controlling how I spent all my time down there. She also advised me that she was coming to visit me, and was working on a visa and passport. I felt a little pressure to help her and was losing control of the relationship. So I used the excuse that she was bugging me for money to cool it and didn't respond to her for over a year.

During that time I was in the DR and was seeing a couple of chicas, that I didn't know she knew. I broke up with them for the same reasons. So she figured out how I like to hang, learned my limits, accepted it, and we hooked up again. We are both very strong minded individuals, and while I let her take control of the small things, now I get the last word.

Lay down the law! You must be willing to risk losing them, if you want to tame / train them. "Set them, free, and if they come back. Etc".

Tough love, or lose control, your choice.

Good luck!

Exactly Oakie. When they start missing that pimpin they will come right back home. And if they don't then there are 10 more out there waiting to take her place.

If I had 100 pesos for every time my main Puerto Plata chick has said she is finished with me then I could get a chick out of Clasico. Last month I was down and wouldn't help her get her car out of the shop. She got all snotty and we went to a cabana. She said this is the last time. I am finished with you. I started laughing and said Oh this is the last time AGAIN? The next week she was sending me videos of her playing with a vibrator in her pussy.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668165]Superbowl weekend is for sport-fucking and it's exactly what the guys in town will be looking for.

I plan to leave town before that weekend so I don't have too observe the spectacle of the sport-fuckers and the Chicas in action.

The best times in Sosua are the slow times.[/QUOTE]I agree. Sosua is just like a strip club, back home.

On Saturday night the joint is jumping, and you're lining up for that cute young looker in the corner, but she's busy.

Go in Tuesday afternoon, and she's lining up for you.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1668509]

Lay down the law! You must be willing to risk losing them, if you want to tame / train them. "Set them, free, and if they come back. Etc".

Good luck![/QUOTE]"Tame them and train them" !

Kind sounds like a catchy slogan and song you could March to while walking the Strip drinking a beer and smoking a cigar.

Taming them is the easy part, the harder part is training them.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668577]"Tame them and train them" !

Kind sounds like a catchy slogan and song you could March to while walking the Strip drinking a beer and smoking a cigar.

Taming them is the easy part, the harder part is training them.[/QUOTE]This is a good slogan to be sung buy a DR Vet when dealing with chica in the DR. However, Newbies you try to refrain from this in Sosua. You should think more like Kenny Rogers. You have to know when to Hold'them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and know when to run.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1668623]This is a good slogan to be sung buy a DR Vet when dealing with chica in the DR. However, Newbies you try to refrain from this in Sosua. You should think more like Kenny Rogers. You have to know when to Hold'them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, and know when to run.[/QUOTE]When you come to think of it, it's all been sang about before.

Just take your favorite music with you and listen to the words.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668353]So being the guider of those who venture to DR I solicit your advice in a double booking problem I have.

I inadvertently notified two of my DC Chicas, one a Haitian and the other a Dominican of my arrival on the 20th of this month. Major screw up on my part. Unfortunately both of these Chicas which I have a kind of "novio" history with think I'm only coming to see them which is never the case. If the Haitian knew I was seeing someone else, well she'd be gone in a minute whereas the Dominican might be more accepting. These Chicas are semi-pros as they meet guys via the Internet versus on the Strip. I'm in Sosua for 8 days and would like too see both of them without them knowing, and being under the illusion I'm only there to see them besides some sport fucking on the side. Any thoughts on this?[/QUOTE]Surfer, what does having novio history consist of and what benefit do you get out of it when you are not with these chicas? Sounds more like you have "when it's my turn, I enjoyed them" history. Thats the history it seems you really had with those women? In other words, before you arrive, and after you go these women go right back to working their old and new novios through the internet. Meanwhile when you are away, you maintain contact with these women on social media.

How deep and meaningful is your communication with these women? Como esta? Once a day. Que tu hace? In the afternoon. A little te amo, and extrano mucho every now and then. A bunch of kisses and besos. A few pics, and cute messages with cute little doggies or hearts in them. Some spiritual messages? You know how I know? Me, you and dozen of other guys all get the same thing. Meanwhile these chicas don't know jack about us. And for the most part arent really interested in what we do when we arent there. They may not even know what kind of work you do, your family, your likes and dislikes, your daily routine. They don't know shit about you, like a regular woman where you live would ask. The only reason they stay in touch is so that they can ensure that you will bring your wallet back for them to extract from it. And for the most part we don't know that much about them. What we do know, is they all have some kind of problem or will have. And they don't mind telling us all about their problems and ailments.

So lets recap. You are concerned of getting caught by either one of these chicas seeing you with someone else? Chicas that are fucking other dudes before you come and after you leave? The Haitian chica would be gone in a minute if she knew you were with someone else? Really? She can fuck whomever she wants, whenever she wants, but she is supposed to be concerned about you with someone else? Now if she spots you with other women in Sosua (imagine that? A guy going to Sosua where an abundance of hookers are) but she is going to be gone in a minute? If that were to happen it makes perfect sense. You are occupied, therefore your wallet is tied up. No finance, no romance. No need to hang around you. I will see you later when your wallet is available.

Did it ever occur to you, that the only women they are concerned about are the women in the DR, especially other women hustling like them? What about the women from where you live? How come you don't get any grief or concern over the possibility of you being with women from where you live? They barely mention or have concern for those women. Because if other women were a problem, that Haitian chica should be prepared to drop your butt for general principle. Do they think you are just jerking off the whole time you are back home, and you wait until you get back to the DR to get them ( only them ) to relieve you? Sounds silly doesn't it? Man these chicas don't have control over you or me , we put ourselves in that position as if they do , walking around with that frame of mind. Like Pavlovs dog. Right now, you seem to be on automatic obedience or concern for what they think with these chicas because of some stimuli or performance they provide.

Next I would like to know, what is the draw with these women, that has you so concerned about losing them? They swallowing your venom when you nut? Tossing your salad? You busting nuts deep inside of them. They cook good meals? They washing your clothes? What? What? What? I want to know what kind of magical spell that these chicas have to cause a dude to be concerned about them finding out he is with other women besides them?

This is an interesting situation that raises a topic. As we get older, many of us start descending into seemingly being afraid of women. Afraid of losing them, their company, their attention, their sexual favors. Afraid of correcting them or respectfully putting them in check when it is deemed necessary. Afraid to seek out other chicas if the other chica is not making the cut. Instead they want to sweat the chica, and make her a priority. I have observed quite a few men in person that overly cater to women. And guys expressing sentiments like " you can't take it with you". They say that to justify them spending money like water on women, and doing things for women even if those women did nothing to earn it except for provide sex and companionship. Mostly, so the women will like them, or be with them, and nobody else. In essence, trying to buy exclusivity.

Why do so many older guys seem to be so insecure, to the point that they are afraid of a woman leaving them or being mad at them? And to compensate for that, adjusting to the whims of women, maybe start spoiling them or doing things that isn't appreciated or necessary?

Most mongers are fully aware, the main reason enough of these chicas don't want some guy they got on the hook with other chicas, is because the other chicas are getting their benefits instead of them. Trust, it aint because of some love they have for the man himself. As far as they are concerned, we aint nothing but a living carcass with benefits. Your wallet is the main thing that really matters. The sex is simply the medium used to get what they want from us. They know that if they arent the one providing the sex, comforts, they arent the one benefitting, somebody else is. So don't believe that crap that you are some chicas novio. It is just your turn when she is ready to barter and exchange your pesos for her company with you. She may be happy to see you. Kiss and sex you passionately. But the reality is, the reason she feels so good being with you, is because you have paid or will pay for a special place in her heart (purse) during the time it is your turn.

Here's an experiment. Give a chica the sum of what you would have given her if she spent that time with you, but be with other women instead. And see if that chica will agree to getting with you on your next trip.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1668683]
Most mongers are fully aware, the main reason enough of these chicas don't want some guy they got on the hook with other chicas, is because the other chicas are getting their benefits instead of them. Trust, it aint because of some love they have for the man himself. As far as they are concerned, we aint nothing but a living carcass with benefits. Your wallet is the main thing that really matters. The sex is simply the medium used to get what they want from us. They know that if they arent the one providing the sex, comforts, they arent the one benefitting, somebody else is. So don't believe that crap that you are some chicas novio. It is just your turn when she is ready to barter and exchange your pesos for her company with you. She may be happy to see you. Kiss and sex you passionately. But the reality is, the reason she feels so good being with you, is because you have paid or will pay for a special place in her heart (purse) during the time it is your turn.
[/QUOTE]It's like market share, LOL. McDonald's would rather you spend all of your money with them and you not having the option of spending it with Burger King, Wendy's, etc.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1668692]It's like market share, LOL. McDonald's would rather you spend all of your money with them and you not having the option of spending it with Burger King, Wendy's, etc.[/QUOTE]True. What cracks me up with chicas is the double standard logic many try to impose on a dude. I don't know how many times I have heard a dude tell the story about some chica he's dealing with, sweating him because he might be or has been with other chicas? Meanwhile they are coming to Sosua, using the internet to fuck other men.

Worse is seeing guys sort of confused like they really want to believe the chica is telling the truth, is sincere and has genuine feelings towards them.

Here's an example. A chica a buddy of mine messes with, comes to Sosua to be with him for a few days. After about 4 days with her, he's done. Wants her to leave. She gets an attitude about it. Accuses him of being with other chicas. But when he isn't there, I see her in Rumba looking for men. Her trying to get me to take her. Which I did, but that was a while ago, and I told my buddy about it. Lately, he got tired of the stupid ass daily exchanges they would have on Whatsapp. Her eventually begging for money. One day, he stopped talking to her on Whatsapp. Next she texts me, to ask me if I said anything about me and her getting together. She cant understand why he isnt responding to her messages. These muggs are a trip. The biggest problem a lot of guys have is they can't verify anything when these chicas tell their stories. Most times they are lying about something, some detail. And they ( the men ) want all too much to believe these chicas, and or excuse their behavior so they don't lose their connection. IMO what guys should be doing is putting these chicas in deep check when they start whining about some dude being with other chicas. This isn't only with regulars. That crap happens with chicas a guy hasnt even been with. The chica is in Sosua to fuck as many dudes as she can for money, and she is yakkity yakking about some dude being with other chicas. GTFOOHWTM.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1668672]

Next I would like to know, what is the draw with these women, that has you so concerned about losing them? They swallowing your venom when you nut? Tossing your salad? You busting nuts deep inside of them. They cook good meals? They washing your clothes? What? What? What? I want to know what kind of magical spell that these chicas have to cause a dude to be concerned about them finding out he is with other women besides them?[/QUOTE]Not sure what to make of your posts sometime.

Negative, positive, altruistic, condescending, insulting, etc. I think Grownman refers to you correctly as "Sigmund Freud". Perhaps your a shrink in real life.

The questions I have for you is, would you be drawn to a woman that performed all of the above including the salad tossing which you can have.

Have you ever been captivated by a "psycho chica", I have experience in this department.

I have an un-written "don't ask / don't tell policy with both of these Chicas. They play me, I play them. I don't care what they do while I'm away, and they don't care what I do when I'm away. It's all about the money for them. Lot's of times things are all just an illusion and / or a fantasy for me. Who cares, I'm having a blast with all of this!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1668672]
How deep and meaningful is your communication with these women? Como esta? Once a day. Que tu hace? In the afternoon. A little te amo, and extrano mucho every now and then. A bunch of kisses and besos. A few pics, and cute messages with cute little doggies or hearts in them. Some spiritual messages? You know how I know? Me, you and dozen of other guys all get the same thing. Meanwhile these chicas don't know jack about us. And for the most part arent really interested in what we do when we arent there. They may not even know what kind of work you do, your family, your likes and dislikes, your daily routine. They don't know shit about you, like a regular woman where you live would ask. The only reason they stay in touch is so that they can ensure that you will bring your wallet back for them to extract from it. And for the most part we don't know that much about them. What we do know, is they all have some kind of problem or will have. And they don't mind telling us all about their problems and ailments.
[/QUOTE]I am not too hard guys when it comes to this. Let's face it: Reality (especially in Sex Prison, USA) sucks! Nothing wrong with a little illusion of affection from someone else to help you get through the day. Just look at the next bum you see on the street and imagine that if you could have looked into a crystal ball and showed him when he was 18 or 21 that at 27 he would end up broke and homeless on the street for the remainder of his life. He would probably have blown his brains out the next day.

Same thing with people that play the lottery. The illusion of striking it rich overnight despite the statistical odds being completely against you (you are more likely to experience death by vending machine then to win the lottery: [URL]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/30/15-things-more-likely-to-happen-than-winning-mega-millions.html[/URL]) doesn't stop them from playing. Because "somebody won", and that's what keeps them going.

I have no illusions about "no money, no honey, and I do enjoy knowing that they are young, sweet honeys that will line up to take my money and send me an "hola amor" or "cuando regresas?" here and there on whatsapp or facebook. Compared to what I have here (the cold shoulder day in and day out from these hardened biyotches here in the US) it is nice to know you have a "happy spot" you can retreat to, and a smiling face to greet you. It keeps me on my toes and makes me want to grind harder so that I can always have the means to continue visiting that happy spot. The trick is to know when to turn it off. Because not doing so is how you find yourself in line at Western Union in your local supermarket, LOL.

Reality bites.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1668724]I am not too hard guys when it comes to this. Let's face it: Reality (especially in Sex Prison, USA) sucks! Nothing wro.[/QUOTE]Well put Pro Pimpin!

You have to know when to hold them know when to fold them know when to walk away know when to run. Sosua is Fantasyland for a lot of us. My man Sigmund Freud is speaking a reality that we all must understand. I think Surfer knows that. You can tell he does because he has the right attitude when he leaves he doesn't care what the chica does. He knows that they are semi pros. He plays his fantasy his way.

Now I ask them before they ask me. Got to set the tone.

I never knock what another man does to have fun. It's his money, so do as you wish, BUT I have several regulars that I stay in contact with, and they know that I see other women when I'm there. It's my vacation, and I'll see you when I see you. .

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668746]Now I ask them before they ask me. Got to set the tone.[/QUOTE]LMAO! You a fool Mr. E.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668715]Not sure what to make of your posts sometime.

Negative, positive, altruistic, condescending, insulting, etc. I think Grownman refers to you correctly as "Sigmund Freud". Perhaps your a shrink in real life.

The questions I have for you is, would you be drawn to a woman that performed all of the above including the salad tossing which you can have.

Have you ever been captivated by a "psycho chica", I have experience in this department.

I have an un-written "don't ask / don't tell policy with both of these Chicas. They play me, I play them. I don't care what they do while I'm away, and they don't care what I do when I'm away. It's all about the money for them. Lot's of times things are all just an illusion and / or a fantasy for me. Who cares, I'm having a blast with all of this![/QUOTE]My posts are designed to assist in a person making up their own mind. By repeating the particulars that were provided. Sometimes people need to see their circumstances broken down a different way than how they may have rationalized it. Considering that you may be an intuitive individual, I didn't think you would assume I intend to insult, or be condescending. All I'm doing is mirroring what you provided. Of course putting my own spin on it. But non the less, its' not me you would have a problem with.

Ya know very often there were times I thought I had a dilemma on my hands. The reality was. Everything turned out well inspite of my fears or concerns. And that's exactly what will happen with you. So what you told both chicas you were coming, and / or that you were going to be with them? What do you suppose is going to happen? You have it all worked out already. You believe the Haitian chica will dismiss you. If that were to happen, so be it. It's not like it will be the end of the world. And that's what I was trying to get across. Your wallet just won't be available to one of them this trip. You have always had the power to tell one or the other, I won't see you this trip. No explanation. As you say, don't ask, don't tell. But my point is, you always had the ability to organize who should come and who should stay home. In other words, you never had a major blunder like you assumed you had.

Surfer, you don't have to convince me or anybody about your awareness of knowing they are after your money. Or that you know it's an illusion and fantasy. I believe you. Your concern though over making the mistake of double booking tells a different story. If it is an illusion and a fantasy, then why all of this concern over these chicas, seeing you with other women? As if they would dump you? Thats a totally different issue altogether. And it sort of exposes another issue pertaining to you, and your sense of security in dealing with individuals providing an illusion and a fantasy. Further, if their interest in you is an illusion and a fantasy, is your concern an illusion and a fantasy too? Doesn't seem that way. And that's why I responded. Maybe I see something you don't want to see. Yes, I'm your brother in mongering, so I offer a perspective different than what you may get from others.

Now your questions. Would I be drawn to a woman that performed all of the above including the salad tossing which I can have. My answer is yes. Drawn to? Of course. But at some point I have limits and standards. I'm not Shaft, Superfly or James Bond. It's just every now and then some dudes just do what needs to be done without concern of losing some persons fake interest them. These days, I value exercising self control more than being concerned over what you think you may be losing by simply standing up for yourself. Now a days, I know I can be direct or covert in telling a chica, I won't see her this trip. I know damn well all this talk about us being the boss, because we have the cash counts for something. So I'm going to act like it means something.

Have you ever been captivated by a "psycho chica", Yes for a season. And then I slipped quickly back to reality. Now if you asked me these questions when I was youngster back in the day. I truthfully was a mess. Misrepresenting myself and my best interests. But damn man, I'm more than half a century old now. Aint we supposed to have more self control as men by now? Much wiser? Less pussy whipped? If everything is indeed an illusion or a fantasy with these chicas, then I expect a monger to act like those women are providing an illusion or fantasy of being mad or threatening to leave. And not take them so seriously. Apparently it's not all an illusion or a fantasy when it comes to some of us being concerned over losing their company. Many of us mongers have esteem issues of our own. Especially when it comes to dealing with PFP women. You may think I'm being negative? I think I'm offering food for thought.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1668788]My posts are designed to assist in a person making up their own mind. By repeating the particulars that were provided. Sometimes people need to see their circumstances broken down a different way than how they may have rationalized it. [/QUOTE]Thank the father of jesus we have our own Dr. Phil on a hooker Web site!

I for one, feel blessed.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1668832]Thank the father of jesus we have our own Dr. Phil on a hooker Web site!

I for one, feel blessed.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]I second that!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668862]I second that![/QUOTE]Me too!

Hookers can be like pets.

The dog or cat you have will go to anybody who feeds them, but you can still have an enjoyable relationship with them if you treat them well, but do they really, really love you? Who cares?

Takes a little more work if you want to add another dog, or a cat, but you can make it work.

That steak you ate, that beer you drank don't give a shit about you, and had to be paid for, but can be enjoyed nevertheless.

Same with pussy. Buy and enjoy! If you occasionally get a tough steak or a warm beer, no big deal.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1668724]

I have no illusions about "no money, no honey, and I do enjoy knowing that they are young, sweet honeys that will line up.
It keeps me on my toes and makes me want to grind harder so that I can always have the means to continue visiting that happy spot.

Reality bites.[/QUOTE]Right on I feel that same way.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1668724]The trick is to know when to turn it off. Because not doing so is how you find yourself in line at Western Union in your local supermarket, LOL.
[/QUOTE]Thats one example. Another example is finding yourself being overly concerned of being dumped by PFP chicas that are freely PFP fucking other men.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1668862]I second that![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1668832]Thank the father of jesus we have our own Dr. Phil on a hooker Web site!

I for one, feel blessed.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]Also thank Allah (or whomever) for having a website that keeps any spiritually grounded monger and part-time psychologist fully employed. .

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668522]Exactly Oakie. When they start missing that pimpin they will come right back home. And if they don't then there are 10 more out there waiting to take her place.

If I had 100 pesos for every time my main Puerto Plata chick has said she is finished with me then I could get a chick out of Clasico. Last month I was down and wouldn't help her get her car out of the shop. She got all snotty and we went to a cabana. She said this is the last time. I am finished with you. I started laughing and said Oh this is the last time AGAIN? The next week she was sending me videos of her playing with a vibrator in her pussy.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean.

When I visit my regular we always start with the same routine.

Donde es mi anillo?

Later! Una cervesa, primero.

No anillo para me, no pussy para te!

Then the hugs.

(It's important to keep a sense of humor).

I was thinking about getting a pedicure on the beach. What is a reasonable price? Anything else I should think about?

There are certain police officers on the strip with CESTUR written on their backs. The chicas are afraid of them because they randomly pick chicas and escort them away for questioning.

Does anybody know why the pick certain chicas and leave others? Since prostitution is illegal why don't they grab every girl?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1668522]Exactly Oakie. When they start missing that pimpin they will come right back home. And if they don't then there are 10 more out there waiting to take her place.

If I had 100 pesos for every time my main Puerto Plata chick has said she is finished with me then I could get a chick out of Clasico. Last month I was down and wouldn't help her get her car out of the shop. She got all snotty and we went to a cabana. She said this is the last time. I am finished with you. I started laughing and said Oh this is the last time AGAIN? The next week she was sending me videos of her playing with a vibrator in her pussy.[/QUOTE]Exactly man! Aint no reason to get all bent out of shape over some chica threatening to leave. One of my buddies used to say all the time. You can't make them mad. They may act like they are mad, act like they are done with you, but sooner or later they usually come right back acting like nothing ever happened.

Just got finished talking to a buddy of mine. His chica has been sending him pics of her supposedly being sick. Telling him she has no money. Just as we got off the phone, she dropped the subtle tactics and straight up asked him to send her some money for medicine. He had no intentions of sending her money when she sent the pictures, and surely has no interest in sending money just because she asked directly. Is he concerned about her dropping his ass for not sending money? Hell NO!

He will see her opportunistic butt if and when he chooses to on his next visit. And he will let her know how long she can stay, and when it's time to go. She can be mad all she wants. She is free to do whatever she thinks she needs to do make that money. And he is free to enjoy doing what makes him happy/satisfied. My buddy is not catering to some chicas whims because he has no concerns or fear of losing her.

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1668979]I was thinking about getting a pedicure on the beach. What is a reasonable price? Anything else I should think about?[/QUOTE]The only thing I would think about is that in a real salon the cost is 400-500 for both hands and feet together. Now if you want to pay some random lady walking around with an unsanitized bucket and nail clippers whatever price, then...

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1669038]The only thing I would think about is that in a real salon the cost is 400-500 for both hands and feet together. Now if you want to pay some random lady walking around with an unsanitized bucket and nail clippers whatever price, then...[/QUOTE]Please tell me what salon gives mani / pedi for 500 pesos. My salon in the DR charges me 800 pesos for a mani / pedi and that's because I've been going there for years. Someone new off the street will pay 1000 p.

The girls on the beach aren't bad either. They sterilize the equipment in front of you. I found the Haitian girls don't always sterilize their equipment so be careful.

No middle men but legal for girls.

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1668983]There are certain police officers on the strip with CESTUR written on their backs. The chicas are afraid of them because they randomly pick chicas and escort them away for questioning.

Does anybody know why the pick certain chicas and leave others? Since prostitution is illegal why don't they grab every girl?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1669045]Please tell me what salon gives mani / pedi for 500 pesos. My salon in the DR charges me 800 pesos for a mani / pedi and that's because I've been going there for years. Someone new off the street will pay 1000 p.[/QUOTE]I paid 500 for the one in Puerto Plata. The normal salon in Bonao 500 as well. My regular place, the upscale salon in the back of Villar Hermanos parking lot in Santo Domingo charges 400. Hell it costs 1000 in the US!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1669098]I paid 500 for the one in Puerto Plata. The normal salon in Bonao 500 as well. My regular place, the upscale salon in the back of Villar Hermanos parking lot in Santo Domingo charges 400. Hell it costs 1000 in the US![/QUOTE]You can get a mani / pedi in the States for 25 usd? Man you a bad dude. The cheapest I've seen it in Florida is 42 usd for both. Usually it's about 50 usd.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1668975]Also thank Allah (or whomever) for having a website that keeps any spiritually grounded monger and part-time psychologist fully employed. .[/QUOTE]By chance if your in Sosua next week perhaps we could meet up one afternoon at the Puta Viewing Gallery on the Strip, (aka. Premium Bar sidewalk area) as I need some therapy after reading your posts. I could layout some of the chairs and lay-down as though I was on a couch so as to create a "clinical setting" for you to psycho-analyze me as the Putas stroll by. I could then explain to you what the Chicas in the DR have been doing to me. Like my ex-Dominican Psycho woman. I can't get her out of my head, or I should say, off my head. During our last and final encounter she took a bottle of honey and poured it on my unit. She then began to lick and suck for the longest time until I erupted like Mt. Vesuvius in her mouth. She just couldn't get enough to swallow and wanted more. I have other true stories that hopefully upon sharing them with you, you can help me get a better grip on things as I am in dire need of Terapia in my mongering ways!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1669114]By chance if your in Sosua next week perhaps we could meet up one afternoon at the Puta Viewing Gallery on the Strip, (aka. Premium Bar sidewalk area) as I need some therapy after reading your posts. I could layout some of the chairs and lay-down as though I was on a couch so as to create a "clinical setting" for you to psycho-analyze me as the Putas stroll by. I could then explain to you what the Chicas in the DR have been doing to me. Like my ex-Dominican Psycho woman. I can't get her out of my head, or I should say, off my head. During our last and final encounter she took a bottle of honey and poured it on my unit. She then began to lick and suck for the longest time until I erupted like Mt. Vesuvius in her mouth. She just couldn't get enough to swallow and wanted more. I have other true stories that hopefully upon sharing them with you, you can help me get a better grip on things as I am in dire need of Terapia in my mongering ways![/QUOTE]Confucius says: She Who gives great nut is also one.

[QUOTE=Timpan1;1668983]There are certain police officers on the strip with CESTUR written on their backs. The chicas are afraid of them because they randomly pick chicas and escort them away for questioning.

Does anybody know why the pick certain chicas and leave others? Since prostitution is illegal why don't they grab every girl?[/QUOTE]I could be mistaken but unless the chica commited a crime the only logic I could think of is that they take chicas whom they assume have money (they stake them out all night). Take the chica in, shake her down, maybe throw her into a cell for a couple of hours (or overnight) and let her go the next day. (tossing a wh*re). As for taking all the chicas in the local businesses would flip and start complaining since this would indeed kill their business. Guys wouldn't want to hang out and drink if there are no chicas to be had. This is the reason we come to Sosua in the first place.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1669114]By chance if your in Sosua next week perhaps we could meet up one afternoon at the Puta Viewing Gallery on the Strip, (aka. Premium Bar sidewalk area) as I need some therapy after reading your posts. I could layout some of the chairs and lay-down as though I was on a couch so as to create a "clinical setting" for you to psycho-analyze me as the Putas stroll by. I could then explain to you what the Chicas in the DR have been doing to me. Like my ex-Dominican Psycho woman. I can't get her out of my head, or I should say, off my head. During our last and final encounter she took a bottle of honey and poured it on my unit. She then began to lick and suck for the longest time until I erupted like Mt. Vesuvius in her mouth. She just couldn't get enough to swallow and wanted more. I have other true stories that hopefully upon sharing them with you, you can help me get a better grip on things as I am in dire need of Terapia in my mongering ways![/QUOTE]Count me in too.

Here I've been enjoying the DR, the people, Sosua and its chicas for 6 years now. I even have a regular GF from another distant part of the Island.

Our resident Dr. Phil has regularly called me ignorant, stupid, and a bunch of other uncharitable stuff.

Maybe he can help me find out how I fucked up so badly. LOL.

After all, look at all those poor misguided "buddies" he has straightened out. Seems every week a new one.

Been here a few days. After an absence of 4 years. Not much has really changed, some places closed, some new places opened; still lots of chicas in various bars and on the street. I've tapped a couple already with my usual results, some are OK some are less than. I find the sex fairly mechanical, not much kissing or GFE, maybe I'm just getting to be too old, but it's still fun. Most of the ladies start at "dos mil" (2000RD) but will eventually accept 1500 for the short time. After I nut they bounce out of bed to the shower and put their clothes back on. I think the older chicas give better service than the really young ones.

I'm taking pics with my cell but don't have service here so will post more when I am back home.

I am amused by the police walking around (with Centaur or similar on their backs) and the chicas all quickly disperse for a few minutes then come back to their spots after they're gone. Funny.

All for today.

"Cestur" is what I meant to post

Seems my first post was lost in the ether, so here we go again.

Back on the ground in Sosua after a 4 year absence. Not much has changed....some places closed new places opened. Best chica hunting is in the new sports bar (Rumba's??)....chicas all start at 2000 RD but most will eventually accept 1500 RD. Service is pretty average, somewhat mechanical.....not much kissing or GFE, maybe I am getting too old, but it's still fun. There are a LOT of chicas out at night, plenty of choices in the bars and on the street....funny to see them disperse when the cops with CESTUR written on their backs sweep through. Funny.

Here for a few more days, will post pics when I am back home as my cell phone does not work here.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1669321]Count me in too.

Here I've been enjoying the DR, the people, Sosua and its chicas for 6 years now. I even have a regular GF from another distant part of the Island.

Our resident Dr. Phil has regularly called me ignorant, stupid, and a bunch of other uncharitable stuff.

Maybe he can help me find out how I fucked up so badly. LOL.

After all, look at all those poor misguided "buddies" he has straightened out. Seems every week a new one.[/QUOTE]How dear yall disrespect my man Sigmund Freud. Dr. Phil's analogy does not come close to his psycho analytical approach to breaking down these hoes. You must say the man makes you think.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1669423]How dear yall disrespect my man Sigmund Freud. Dr. Phil's analogy does not come close to his psycho analytical approach to breaking down these hoes. You must say the man makes you think.[/QUOTE]WRX brings an interesting point of view that provokes thought. Additionally I think his points have to be filtered because what works for him might not work for you. For me, I travel to have fun and I don't let a few dollars stop me from enjoying myself. Each guy has to live their life as they see fit so if you haven't figured out who you are by the time you have reached middle age, maybe you never will. Now with dealing with foreign chicas each guy will learn different lessons but the overall theme is that it's your vacation and your money so make yourself happy.

What's up people?

First time poster here. I am thoroughly entertained by some of the posts and responses and thank you for the tips. I am coming to the north part of the island on Jan 17 for a few days over the MLK Jr. Weekend. I will have a car and am driving from Santiago to Sosua at around 11 am on Saturday morning. Just wanted to check if anybody wanted a ride to the area? This is my 4th time in Puerto Plata and I have driven every time. I feel comfortable getting around and dealing with the Dominican traffic laws (what laws)?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1669321]Count me in too.

Here I've been enjoying the DR, the people, Sosua and its chicas for 6 years now. I even have a regular GF from another distant part of the Island.

Our resident Dr. Phil has regularly called me ignorant, stupid, and a bunch of other uncharitable stuff.

Maybe he can help me find out how I fucked up so badly. LOL.

After all, look at all those poor misguided "buddies" he has straightened out. Seems every week a new one.[/QUOTE]Lets get something straight. I don't have a history of INITIATING calling people names or making personal attacks. Anything of a sort, if you got that from me, it happened after you initiated exactly that towards me, and I gave you back what you dished. But with a spin on it. I'm not responsible for your feelings, if you don't like me holding my own. As I recall, I usually seek feedback and ask questions to get information before I make gross assumptions. Most times, people ignore answering what I ask. However, that approach is so that I have a firm grasp of someones point of view.

That practice usually elicits major defenses from people who have trouble explaining, supporting or defending their POV. Or they never gave their POV much thought, because they are usually responding based on their feelings, moreso than a principle they are defending. As a result my approach is embraced as a personal attack, by certain types of individuals. Answering my inquiries honestly, one pays the price of possibly not looking too good on the issues. Or exposing something not too flattering. Why else would some of you resort to personalizing the discussion, instead of dealing with the things that were said. All you have to do is show me where what I said, has no credibility, completely false, or never applies. Nobody ever does that. But you are free to do that at any time. Instead, look how you represent your discord or disagreement. What does that say about you in comparison to someone else who is expecting and appreciates s a better representation in a debate/discussion?

And that's one reason why you and me are where we are today. I don't require any buffoonery or buddying up. Common sense speaks for itself. It's humble and quiet.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1669483]Have no problem fellowshipping with you in general. That we can do. But I don't think we need to be engaging in any psycho babble while were both trying to do our own thing.

Besides, look how you are representing here online when someone tries to offer you an alternative food for thought. I'm pretty sure I nailed it or was at least close to what your role could or should be in your own dilemma. If you had anything substantive to offer, or even refute, we could or should have read it. Then we would have had an intelligent exchange of ideas and / or perspectives, where all of us could join in. I crave that from folks. Most fall short in being able to provide that. So apparently what I shared may have been a little too much information that you didn't want or didn't ask for (from me). Looks bad when it's uncovered and raw like that.

And yet I answered your questions, and got no response or feedback. You also indicated that you have difficulty trying to distinguish where I'm coming from. Which is why you seem unsure if I might have been insulting you, or being condescending. You seem to have a problem simply acknowledging just basic common sense in what I provided and offer feedback for it. And instead try to twist it into something else, and buddy up in buffoonery. If supporting you here aint working, how do you expect anybody to get through to you at the neighborhood drinking hole? Most of what we talk about is basic common sense. It don't require being Freud or Einstein. Just simply using ones head above the shoulders, instead of the one below the belt line. That in a nutshell is usually the crux of enough guys problem. Don't need no couch to figure that out. Now, you still want to meet at PD? I should be there next week. And there for 3 months or so.[/QUOTE]Your resposne to my post is filled with nonsensical babble as are most of your posts. If you think I was trying to buddy up to you with buffoonery you are mistaken. There are members on this board that think your a total Payaso and don't want to tangle with you and all your babble. Regardless, I'm open to meeting you next week as I will have time to kill between my morning surf sessions and my extracurricular activities.

Pedro Clisante is open open again to auto parking and traffic at night. Cars can park on the street but motoconchos can't. Motoconchos can drive thru without stopping or waiting for customers. So there are no more tables and chairs in the streets.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1669496]Lets get something straight. I don't have a history of INITIATING calling people names or making personal attacks. Anything of a sort, if you got that from me, it happened after you initiated exactly that towards me, and I gave you back what you dished. But with a spin on it. I'm not responsible for your feelings, if you don't like me holding my own. As I recall, I usually seek feedback and ask questions to get information before I make gross assumptions. Most times, people ignore answering what I ask. However, that approach is so that I have a firm grasp of someones point of view.

That practice usually elicits major defenses from people who have trouble explaining, supporting or defending their POV. Or they never gave their POV much thought, because they are usually responding based on their feelings, moreso than a principle they are defending. As a result my approach is embraced as a personal attack, by certain types of individuals. Answering my inquiries honestly, one pays the price of possibly not looking too good on the issues. Or exposing something not too flattering. Why else would some of you resort to personalizing the discussion, instead of dealing with the things that were said. All you have to do is show me where what I said, has no credibility, completely false, or never applies. Nobody ever does that. But you are free to do that at any time. Instead, look how you represent your discord or disagreement. What does that say about you in comparison to someone else who is expecting and appreciates s a better representation in a debate/discussion?

And that's one reason why you and me are where we are today. I don't require any buffoonery or buddying up. Common sense speaks for itself. It's humble and quiet.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you are and will remain, in your own estimation, a very humble person, quiet, and brimming with common sense.

[QUOTE=IpanemaCarioca;1669791]Pedro Clisante is open open again to auto parking and traffic at night. Cars can park on the street but motoconchos can't. Motoconchos can drive thru without stopping or waiting for customers. So there are no more tables and chairs in the streets.[/QUOTE]Do you know why the re-opened it. Seems as though they should of only been shutting down a portion of the street say from Latinos down to Rumbas instead of all the way down to the Playero market. Maybe the businesses where hurting with the street shutdown and wanted it re-opened. It was nice having it closed down at night.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1669557]Your resposne to my post is filled with nonsensical babble as are most of your posts. [/QUOTE]There was a grain of truth in the original and tediously long commentary, that there is no point being ruffled by some of the P4P women's tantrums. However, brevity is more effective. Evidently our man likes the soapbox, and to hear himself speak, and so, the solution is to ignore.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1669869]Do you know why the re-opened it. Seems as though they should of only been shutting down a portion of the street say from Latinos down to Rumbas instead of all the way down to the Playero market. Maybe the businesses where hurting with the street shutdown and wanted it re-opened. It was nice having it closed down at night.[/QUOTE]Who knows what the logic is in Sosua.

This, from Sosua-News:

"From Saturday January 10 the main street Pedro Clisante is no longer closed for traffic in the evenings. As before, you can park your car again in the street in front of the bars and restaurants. Mopeds, motorcycles and scooters on the other hand may drive through the street, but may not park in the street. Hence the motoconchos may not wait in the street at the disco for their customers. The restaurant and bar owners can no longer place their tables and chairs in the street.

Almost everyone was used to it and it got cozier and busier in the closed street every evening. Many of the restaurant and bar owners are angry and disappointed by this decision of the municipality. Who is behind this decision is unclear. No one can tell who or what made the municipality change its mind and decide to keep the road open again for traffic. Sosúa seemed to be friendlier and more attractive to the family tourist. But for this decision, the Pedro Clisante, the nightlife street of Sosúa, is again less pleasant to stay for the tourist. ".

[QUOTE=Oakie;1669898]

Just saw this item there too:

"Friday afternoon, January 9, officers of the special unit 'Crmenes why Delitos de Alta Tecnologa (Dicat) arrested four Bulgarians in Sosa.

They were caught red-handed at the ATM in Sosa installing a scam device. Research in their hotel rooms in a hotel in the beach resort, the agents found a series of forged credit cards, scam devices and weapons. Weapons like pepper spray and machetes. There were also two cars (Honda CRV and Ford Escape) seized. The four Bulgarians appeared to have been active for six months on the north coast scamming cards at ATM's".

Bulgarians?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1669906]Bulgarians?[/QUOTE]My uncle, who was a police sergeant in the West End of London in the 1940's, used "Bulgarians" as a euphemism for practising homosexuals (buggers) when discussing his experiences in front of the family with us young children present.

Probably not too relevant in the present case, but I wanted to assure you all I was brought up in a polite family.

[QUOTE=Chocolatte22;1669447]What's up people?

First time poster here. I am thoroughly entertained by some of the posts and responses and thank you for the tips. I am coming to the north part of the island on Jan 17 for a few days over the MLK Jr. Weekend. I will have a car and am driving from Santiago to Sosua at around 11 am on Saturday morning. Just wanted to check if anybody wanted a ride to the area? This is my 4th time in Puerto Plata and I have driven every time. I feel comfortable getting around and dealing with the Dominican traffic laws (what laws)?[/QUOTE]"Do what thou wilt" shall be the whole of the law. If thou shall be in an accident, however, whomever is at fault, thou art fukked.

[QUOTE=MarcAnthony;1670015]"Do what thou wilt" shall be the whole of the law. If thou shall be in an accident, however, whomever is at fault, thou art fukked.[/QUOTE]Funnie guy-ROTFL!

SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. One of the finest chicks I have ever seen in my life just told me $12 for 30 minutes. Here you don't here that leche papi shit; you hear fuck me harder baby. Then when you finally finish they let you rest up for 5 minutes and ask if you are ready to go again. I told the broad no and she talking about come here so I can suck it to get you back ready. I said hell no get your freaky ass away from me. I'm going back to my hotel. That mf broke me the fuck off. Won't even mention the chick I hit earlier for $25. Went into the room and she immediately climbed on top and started riding my dick and commenced to squirt all over the fucking place. This is definitely one of the funnest mongering spots on the planet. And there are without a doubt more hookers here than Angeles City Philippines. It's only midnight and me and my wingman are out for the count.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105]SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. One of the finest chicks I have ever seen in my life just told me $12 for 30 minutes. Here you don't here that leche papi shit; you hear fuck me harder baby. Then when you finally finish they let you rest up for 5 minutes and ask if you are ready to go again. I told the broad no and she talking about come here so I can suck it to get you back ready. I said hell no get your freaky ass away from me. I'm going back to my hotel. That mf broke me the fuck off. Won't even mention the chick I hit earlier for $25. Went into the room and she immediately climbed on top and started riding my dick and commenced to squirt all over the fucking place. This is definitely one of the funnest mongering spots on the planet. And there are without a doubt more hookers here than Angeles City Philippines. It's only midnight and me and my wingman are out for the count.[/QUOTE]Oh shit! They done let the rooster in the fucking hen house. Medellin kick his ass out before all our good girls are ruined LOL.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1670113]Oh shit! They done let the rooster in the fucking hen house. Medellin kick his ass out before all our good girls are ruined LOL.[/QUOTE]And here I was, happy that I had booked my next trip to Sosua, and he comes out with this shit about gorgeous, cheap, lovin', hookers in Medellin!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105]SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. One of the finest chicks I have ever seen in my life just told me $12 for 30 minutes. Here you don't here that leche papi shit; you hear fuck me harder baby. Then when you finally finish they let you rest up for 5 minutes and ask if you are ready to go again. I told the broad no and she talking about come here so I can suck it to get you back ready. I said hell no get your freaky ass away from me. I'm going back to my hotel. That mf broke me the fuck off. Won't even mention the chick I hit earlier for $25. Went into the room and she immediately climbed on top and started riding my dick and commenced to squirt all over the fucking place. This is definitely one of the funnest mongering spots on the planet. And there are without a doubt more hookers here than Angeles City Philippines. It's only midnight and me and my wingman are out for the count.[/QUOTE]That's is I am doing Medellin after my 007 mission. Pro Pimpin, Mr E, anyone?! When is the next trip I am down.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105]SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. One of the finest chicks I have ever seen in my life just told me $12 for 30 minutes. Here you don't here that leche papi shit; you hear fuck me harder baby. Then when you finally finish they let you rest up for 5 minutes and ask if you are ready to go again. I told the broad no and she talking about come here so I can suck it to get you back ready. I said hell no get your freaky ass away from me. I'm going back to my hotel. That mf broke me the fuck off. Won't even mention the chick I hit earlier for $25. Went into the room and she immediately climbed on top and started riding my dick and commenced to squirt all over the fucking place. This is definitely one of the funnest mongering spots on the planet. And there are without a doubt more hookers here than Angeles City Philippines. It's only midnight and me and my wingman are out for the count.[/QUOTE]I just have to say that you and your wingman are brave dudes for hanging out AND staying in El Centro after dark, lol. Most people (the locals, taxi drivers) advise rolling out of there before sunset.

I haven't been back to a casa there since my first trip in 2012. El Centro is definitely not the crown jewel of Medellin. After having to step over people sleeping under slabs of cardboard during the day and seeing human shit on the sidewalk, once was enough for me, LOL.

Glad to see you are enjoying yourself though :D

And watch out for the glue-sniffer. I hear they can be very erratic (and dangerous), lol.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105]SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. One of the finest chicks I have ever seen in my life just told me $12 for 30 minutes. Here you don't here that leche papi shit; you hear fuck me harder baby. Then when you finally finish they let you rest up for 5 minutes and ask if you are ready to go again. I told the broad no and she talking about come here so I can suck it to get you back ready. I said hell no get your freaky ass away from me. I'm going back to my hotel. That mf broke me the fuck off. Won't even mention the chick I hit earlier for $25. Went into the room and she immediately climbed on top and started riding my dick and commenced to squirt all over the fucking place. This is definitely one of the funnest mongering spots on the planet. And there are without a doubt more hookers here than Angeles City Philippines. It's only midnight and me and my wingman are out for the count.[/QUOTE]How dare you disparage Sosua. Sosua is a prime mongering destination:

(1) The girls only cry 'leche papi' because they want to ensure that you climax which is the high point of any sexual encounter. To have sex and not orgasm can be very frustrating. They have your interest at heart.

(2) Medellin does not have a beach and does not have that relaxing ambience that Sosua has.

(3) Medellin does not have the helpful touts that Sosua has, these guys are willing to help you for a pittance. You will never lack for helpful information in Sosua.

(4) If you have any game at all you can get many freebies in Sosua.

(5) There are lovely souvenirs for sale all over Sosua, you can always have recollections of your trip when you are back home inclusive of some amazing Haitian paintings.

(6) All the chicas are within a very short walk from your hotel room, some may even be found in the hotel premises itself. No need to hop a taxi in traffic to get to chicas.

(7) There are massage joints, watering holes and clubs within a short walk from your hotel.

(8) Sosua is safer than Medellin.

(9) All hotels are chica friendly.

(10) There are ATMs, supermarkets, restaurants etc. Within a short walk from your hotel.

(11) There are many American and European mongers around with whom you can have a drink and exchange field reports.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1670378]How dare you disparage Sosua. Sosua is a prime mongering destination:

(1) The girls only cry 'leche papi' because they want to ensure that you climax which is the high point of any sexual encounter. To have sex and not orgasm can be very frustrating. They have your interest at heart.

(2) Medellin does not have a beach and does not have that relaxing ambience that Sosua has.

(3) Medellin does not have the helpful touts that Sosua has, these guys are willing to help you for a pittance. You will never lack for helpful information in Sosua.

(4) If you have any game at all you can get many freebies in Sosua.

(5) There are lovely souvenirs for sale all over Sosua, you can always have recollections of your trip when you are back home inclusive of some amazing Haitian paintings.

(6) All the chicas are within a very short walk from your hotel room, some may even be found in the hotel premises itself. No need to hop a taxi in traffic to get to chicas.

(7) There are massage joints, watering holes and clubs within a short walk from your hotel.

(8) Sosua is safer than Medellin.

(9) All hotels are chica friendly.

(10) There are ATMs, supermarkets, restaurants etc. Within a short walk from your hotel.

(11) There are many American and European mongers around with whom you can have a drink and exchange field reports.[/QUOTE]It is good to read the counterpoint having never been to either place but going to DR first time in June. Did not know about the paintings but am interested. Do they have any big boob nude paintings? I would also like to go to Medellin sometime. I hear it is the big boob capitol of South America.

[QUOTE=DCups;1670385]It is good to read the counterpoint having never been to either place but going to DR first time in June. Did not know about the paintings but am interested. Do they have any big boob nude paintings? I would also like to go to Medellin sometime. I hear it is the big boob capitol of South America.[/QUOTE]I am not certain if Turgid was being serious or facetious about the Haitian paintings, LOL. They are not bad in all honesty. It is just that they will hassle you to no end to buy one, then hassle you to no end if you did buy one ("you bought one yesterday, why not buy another?").

Some of his post seems a bit tongue-in-cheek. No one has ever mentioned the touts as a highlight of Sosua, lol. Anytime you add a middle man into the equation, you will always pay a higher price. Plus they can use the chica they are getting for you to give them all sorts of juicy tidbits:

-He is staying at X hotel
-He is leaving on Sunday
-He has an iPad, laptop, video camera, iPhone
-He keeps all of his pesos in his back pocket
-Etc.

I am kinda pissed I missed the street closures though. That was one of the aspects I had forgotten about, and would have probably propelled me to have revisited sooner other than just for the fact that Clasicos has reopened. I hope they plan to close the streets again soon.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1670292]And here I was, happy that I had booked my next trip to Sosua, and he comes out with this shit about gorgeous, cheap, lovin', hookers in Medellin![/QUOTE]I will stop beating it, but I'm eating lunch across from my hotel now and one of the girls at the $12 casa next door to my hotel just stuck her head out the window.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1670378]How dare you disparage Sosua. Sosua is a prime mongering destination:

(1) The girls only cry 'leche papi' because they want to ensure that you climax which is the high point of any sexual encounter. To have sex and not orgasm can be very frustrating. They have your interest at heart.

(2) Medellin does not have a beach and does not have that relaxing ambience that Sosua has.

(3) Medellin does not have the helpful touts that Sosua has, these guys are willing to help you for a pittance. You will never lack for helpful information in Sosua.

(4) If you have any game at all you can get many freebies in Sosua.

(5) There are lovely souvenirs for sale all over Sosua, you can always have recollections of your trip when you are back home inclusive of some amazing Haitian paintings.

(6) All the chicas are within a very short walk from your hotel room, some may even be found in the hotel premises itself. No need to hop a taxi in traffic to get to chicas.

(7) There are massage joints, watering holes and clubs within a short walk from your hotel.

(8) Sosua is safer than Medellin.

(9) All hotels are chica friendly.

(10) There are ATMs, supermarkets, restaurants etc. Within a short walk from your hotel.

(11) There are many American and European mongers around with whom you can have a drink and exchange field reports.[/QUOTE]Huh? You can't possibly be serious.

(1) The truth is, the girls cry leche Papi because they want you to nut so that they can get back on the street looking for another sucker.

(2) True, no beach in Medellin but I can relax in both places, I don't need a beach to relax.

(3) Touts anywhere are scum, stay the fuck away from them.

(4) Yeah, right.

(5) This is getting silly.

(6) In Medellin the girls come to your apartment.

(7) Same in Medellin.

(8) Safety is what YOU make of it.

(9) If you know anything about Colombia then you don't stay in a hotel.

(10) Same in Medellin.

(11) Why do I want to travel out of my country to hang out with people from my own country? Field reports? Who needs field reports?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105]SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. One of the finest chicks I have ever seen in my life just told me $12 for 30 minutes. Here you don't here that leche papi shit; you hear fuck me harder baby. Then when you finally finish they let you rest up for 5 minutes and ask if you are ready to go again. I told the broad no and she talking about come here so I can suck it to get you back ready. I said hell no get your freaky ass away from me. I'm going back to my hotel. That mf broke me the fuck off. Won't even mention the chick I hit earlier for $25. Went into the room and she immediately climbed on top and started riding my dick and commenced to squirt all over the fucking place. This is definitely one of the funnest mongering spots on the planet. And there are without a doubt more hookers here than Angeles City Philippines. It's only midnight and me and my wingman are out for the count.[/QUOTE]More pros than Angeles? Oh, shit! If I could ever find a cheap fare from SJO (SJ, Costa Rica) to MDE I'd be there in a heartbeat. Unfortunately all of the fares are around $600.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670410]I will stop beating it, but I'm eating lunch across from my hotel now and one of the girls at the $12 casa next door to my hotel just stuck her head out the window.[/QUOTE]Fuck you and your beautiful, enthusiastic and affordably priced chicas.

Much more of a challenge in Sosua to deal with overpriced, halfhearted, hurried, saggy when unwrapped putas and their stories of deprivation at home, no milk, no comida, no luz, no gaz, no cabl.

Like boot camp, it builds character.

Sosua is where REAL men go to monger! :)

In the Turgid-Manizales debate on Sosua & Medellin having been to both, I agree with Turgid on every count. Safety is what you make of it? Give me break. That's the most naive statement I have ever heard unless you are just trying to be macho. But I also agree with Turgid on all other counts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1670378]
(4) If you have any game at all you can get many freebies in Sosua.([/QUOTE]Dude! I have lots of game; my game is pesos!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105] If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. [/QUOTE]The only people that mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence are folks who come on the DR thread to tell us why we shouldn't go to DR, and instead should go to Colombia.

I've never been to Medellin (or Colombia, for that matter), but I'll keep an open mind. Intrigued, I read up on the Medellin thread. Here's a sample of what I'm seeing:

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1668342]...it is unlikely that that you are planning to go to MDE for casas, which with couple of exceptions, are crap compared to FKKs. If you are planning a mongering trip to MDE (Unless you are traveling to Colombia for other reasons or for a long term stay), I would also suggest Saint Martin as an alternative to MDE. IMHO it is the second best place outside of Colombia for hot Colombians and is completely hassle free. As you are finding out, getting the most out of MDE take some work. [/QUOTE]So DR ain't shit compare to Colombia. But it turns out Colombia ain't shit either compared to Germany. There's always a paradise more beautiful than the last paradise?

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1668190]You can spend time and money on what you think is a potential girlfriend while she is only spending time with you just to figure out to get her hands on your money; presents, simply just take your wallet and gone in a few seconds...
...Colombians, though many are respectful, there are those who totally lack respect, and 100% of them take contact with gringos, while descent people requires more time.
Therefore you will meet a lot of bad girls...
The view these type of Colombians have on foreigners in combination with the IMPULSE, is that you are some kind of St Claus, Papa Noel. This childish behaviour is typical Colombian and I have not met it in equally poor Peru, not in Brazil, Argentina or Uruguay. [/QUOTE]Wow. I thought only DR girls have no shame in request for dinero.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1666216] ...I believe it it "Chuparme / chupame sin condon?" You can always do the hand guesture and say "sucky sucky sin condon?
I must say I am disappointed to see guys paying 50 k propina for it though. [/QUOTE]I have never had a CBJ in the DR once.
Edit: with the exception of a threesome I had at GBP. Not only was it CBJ, the girls made me change condoms when they switched turns. Not a good experience.
[QUOTE=IguanaSix;1665473]The food is good, the shopping is nice. What would you do if you visited San Francisco? Take the cable cars and enjoy the views. Ride the metro train. There is a paint ball place in the hills above Poblado. See a movie. Enjoy the food (the vegetables, grown in that rich, volcanic soil are incredible - not that near-hydroponic shredded cardboard stuff you buy back home.) Get your shoes shined. Eat in the local holes-in-wall. Get some tailoring done. But mostly, walk around and smell the fresh mountain air, watch the locals go about doing their daily routines, take a spanish speaking buddy and ride the buses and taxis. Get a map and explore. (for safety's sake remember the old adage "Nothing good happens after xx O'clock, so get back home before things get dangerous.) Hit the gym in the mall and enjoy the eye candy. It's a vacation. Rest and recreation. Get a manicure and pedicure. Get a haircut and a massage. Recharge before you go back to the grind. [/QUOTE]Hmm. "go watch a movie" constitute as a vacation activity in Medellin. I will never take the beach in Sosua for granted again! And staying inside and bolting the door shut after dark? Never had to do that in the DR either. "getting your shoes shined"? in Sosua we kick the shoe-shine kids in the nuts so they'd stay away. However, I can venture a guess though that the food in Colombia is probably much better than DR.

So there you go. Words coming from the Medellin vets. I'm not saying the reviews are all negative on Medellin, or these posts are representative. BUT, these posts are from only the last 10 days(!) Am I pro-DR or Anti-Colombia? I'm just neutral. I'll try everything. I've been honest in my DR trip reports, I told of my failures, frustrations, and stuff I didn't like about DR. Should I visit Colombia I'll do the same.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1670530]
I have never had a CBJ in the DR once.
Edit: with the exception of a threesome I had at GBP. Not only was it CBJ, the girls made me change condoms when they switched turns. Not a good experience.
[/QUOTE]Have to put things in perspective so that others undertand the context from the post you quoted me from. Here is the original post chain:

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1666216]I believe it it "Chuparme / chupame sin condon?" You can always do the hand guesture and say "sucky sucky sin condon?

I must say I am disappointed to see guys paying 50 k propina for it though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NCal2014;1666220]Yes me too. I think about half the girls at the mansion did it without me even asking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1666261]Yeah, same with the chicas that come over to the apartment (although you do have some that will try you; best to send them back home right away in that case).

It is generally in the casas and strip clubs that guys have to worry about CBJ being the norm.[/QUOTE]

So this is mostly the guys that visit casas in Medellin paying 50k propina for BBBJ. With freelance chicas (which I only deal with) BBBJ is not even up for debate. The few that tried to pull it with me got sent home.

But I am not one to say that one place is better than the other. The DR has some very hot women, just like Colombia does. All you have to do is getting on Dominican Cupid to see that truth.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670105]SavePros now I see why you have not been back to DR. If I ever hear someone mention DR and Medellin in the same sentence then I will karate chop their ass. .[/QUOTE]Certain mongers reports carry more weight with me. Ghost Face Killer aka Mr. Enternational is one. Mr. E is like E. F. Hutton in my book!

I have never been one to steer anyone wrong about mongering. I would not recommend the average monger go to Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla, or expensive ass Cartagena. But Medellin is a horse of a different color. Now I will say that both me and my wingman speak Spanish which could make adventures more fun than trying to figure out what a chica is telling you or how to get your message across to her.

And as Vitrea was trying to point out it all depends on the purpose of your trip. (Not sure of the FKK comparison with a casa though. That is like comparing the neighborhood pool to Sandals resort. Two different types of venue.) Of course you are not going to Miami if you want to snow ski. To sum up Medellin: If you want to fuck top notch chicks short time at bargain basement prices with no muss, no fuss, and service with a smile then come here. The women will let you know that they are all about the money, but they fucking do their job to a T and don't try to cut corners like women in other destinations. If you are craving for a steak dinner don't come here; go to Argentina.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1670548]Certain mongers reports carry more weight with me. Ghost Face Killer aka Mr. Enternational is one. Mr. E is like E. F. Hutton in my book![/QUOTE]He's a real pro, willing to share.

Like any pro, he has a wide range of tools at his disposal, experience, language and a good radar for trouble.

My only issue with him has been in the past that he makes it look too easy (especially confrontations with with cops and bad putas) and a less experienced monger could find trouble trying to roll like him.

But there's none better, and he's more cautionary these days.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670553]I have never been one to steer anyone wrong about mongering. I would not recommend the average monger go to Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla, or expensive ass Cartagena. But Medellin is a horse of a different color. Now I will say that both me and my wingman speak Spanish which could make adventures more fun than trying to figure out what a chica is telling you or how to get your message across to her.

And as Vitrea was trying to point out it all depends on the purpose of your trip. (Not sure of the FKK comparison with a casa though. That is like comparing the neighborhood pool to Sandals resort. Two different types of venue.) Of course you are not going to Miami if you want to snow ski. To sum up Medellin: If you want to fuck top notch chicks short time at bargain basement prices with no muss, no fuss, and service with a smile then come here. The women will let you know that they are all about the money, but they fucking do their job to a T and don't try to cut corners like women in other destinations. If you are craving for a steak dinner don't come here; go to Argentina.[/QUOTE]How are the none and semi pros there? Do you have any experience with them?

In the DC area the largest strip club I know of has mostly latina chicas. About 50 or more girls from South and central America. The girls do lap dances at $10 a pop. Most of the girls give very good performances as there is much competition and latina guys who are in the majority are tight with their cash. I was there last night and pulled a girl who looked off the charts. 38 DD and everything in purportion. She was from Columbia. I have never seen a body like hers anywhere. She also had a very good attitude. I almost booked a trip as soon as I got home.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1670892]In the DC area the largest strip club I know of has mostly latina chicas. About 50 or more girls from South and central America. The girls do lap dances at $10 a pop. Most of the girls give very good performances as there is much competition and latina guys who are in the majority are tight with their cash. I was there last night and pulled a girl who looked off the charts. 38 DD and everything in purportion. She was from Columbia. I have never seen a body like hers anywhere. She also had a very good attitude. I almost booked a trip as soon as I got home.[/QUOTE]I just can't do strip joints. For the same amount one pays for 2 songs a drink to see the pussy, I would have knocked her off with a BBBJ and I little strip tease. Fantasy over. I had strippers in my night spot on occasions. I remember guys after paying $100-$300 in lap dances and tips saying "Man I'm ready to FK something". They get hit in the head for another $100-$150 maybe.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1670350]

Interesting. A dude who thinks someones representation on the boards is filled with non sensical babble, and brings up how biased members supposedly think of this individual, BUT is open to meeting him? Another example of poor judgement. When you are really ready to elevate your thinking beyond how you represent here, then get back to me.[/QUOTE]It's obvious you have something to hide and / or afraid to meet a fellow monger in Sosua. You have an automatic defense mechanism when someone say's something to you that you don't like. Your also arrogant beyond belief and have no sense of humor. I don't think you know how to let your hair-down and have a good time as evidenced by your posts. You have a "little man syndrome", your obviously short in area's and have to compensate for it with all your non-sensical babble. When your ready to meet up with a fellow monger and have some fun, get back to me!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1670553]I have never been one to steer anyone wrong about mongering. I would not recommend the average monger go to Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla, or expensive ass Cartagena. But Medellin is a horse of a different color. Now I will say that both me and my wingman speak Spanish which could make adventures more fun than trying to figure out what a chica is telling you or how to get your message across to her.

[/QUOTE]Mr. E I concur with your take on Colombia and Medellin, however I found Cali to be somewhat similar to Medellin but on a smaller scale and did have a good time there. And yes, for a monger with no Spanish skills, it can be difficult. Especially dealing with the Chicas in the Avenida De La Grief area of Medellin.

Been here for a few days and have to say either my mongering skills are going downhill or the Sosua chica union is getting to be too formidable for me to deal with anymore. I've never been one to advocate the "wifeing up" procedure but I'm getting to think that might be the answer to the consistently crappy rushed service I'm getting from these ladies. Perhaps finding one you are compatible with and sticking with her is the way to go. I've had several days to sample (pics to follow in a few days when I'm out of the country) several chicas and invariably they are promising more than they deliver, don't want to kiss, very little in any GFE, sometimes reluctant to let me DATY and in general a rushed and very businesslike pain in the ass. When I can drag the process out a little as soon as I nut they are practically BOUNCING out of the rack to jump in the shower and get their clothes back on and then hassle me about more money, propinas and motoconche money. I've honestly just about had it, and believe me, this ain't my first rodeo either here or in other well known mongering destinations. The only really good experience I've had so far is with a very plain looking chubby chica who I would NEVER give a second glance to; met her at a beach bar I hang out at and she was a friend of the owner and seemed sweet despite being "poco gordo"(a little fat). Ended up being totally GFE and a lot of fun in the rack and nice company for dinner. Proves that fat chicks need lovin too!!

I understand that these ladies are not professional courtesans and yes, they are human beings, too. I always try to treat them well and with respect but I've been comparing notes with other mongers here and seem to get a lot of the same story. Just seems I used to get better service for the most part in past years. Who knows, maybe it's me. I enjoy this place and will probably return but it sure isn't Thailand, let me tell you.

Staying at Mary Rose apartments this time and I CANNOT say enough good things about the property or Rick, the manager and owner. Really nice place.

[QUOTE=ZipHead;1671015]Been here for a few days and have to say either my mongering skills are going downhill or the Sosua chica union is getting to be too formidable for me to deal with anymore. I've never been one to advocate the "wifeing up" procedure but I'm getting to think that might be the answer to the consistently crappy rushed service I'm getting from these ladies. Perhaps finding one you are compatible with and sticking with her is the way to go. I've had several days to sample (pics to follow in a few days when I'm out of the country) several chicas and invariably they are promising more than they deliver, don't want to kiss, very little in any GFE, sometimes reluctant to let me DATY and in general a rushed and very businesslike pain in the ass. When I can drag the process out a little as soon as I nut they are practically BOUNCING out of the rack to jump in the shower and get their clothes back on and then hassle me about more money, propinas and motoconche money. I've honestly just about had it, and believe me, this ain't my first rodeo either here or in other well known mongering destinations.

I understand that these ladies are not professional courtesans and yes, they are human beings, too. I always try to treat them well and with respect but I've been comparing notes with other mongers here and seem to get a lot of the same story. Just seems I used to get better service for the most part in past years. Who knows, maybe it's me. I enjoy this place and will probably return but it sure isn't Thailand, let me tell you.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like it is time to head for greener pastures, and not necessarily going elsewhere. I think Surfer mentioned he had great success finding chicas online to come and visit him in Sosua. You are staying at Mary Rose, which is away from the main strip. This is good. Invite them to come to visit you, using the beach as a selling point. Just don't bring an out of town chica to a h0e barn like New Garden or any hotel near the strip for that matter. I would say a good number of folks in the DR know what goes on in Sosua, so no chica you invite there (who is not a pro) wants to be seen as a puta. The further away you are removed from the puta scene, the better. Maybe even consider double booking in Cabarette. That way if your online chica flakes or doesn't want to give up the toto on the first meet, you still have the pros on the Sosua strip to fall back to.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting to do all of this on your current trip. Just something to think about for next time.

[QUOTE=ZipHead;1671015]Been here for a few days and have to say either my mongering skills are going downhill or the Sosua chica union is getting to be too formidable for me to deal with anymore. I've never been one to advocate the "wifeing up" procedure but I'm getting to think that might be the answer to the consistently crappy rushed service I'm getting from these ladies. Perhaps finding one you are compatible with and sticking with her is the way to go. I've had several days to sample (pics to follow in a few days when I'm out of the country) several chicas and invariably they are promising more than they deliver, don't want to kiss, very little in any GFE, sometimes reluctant to let me DATY and in general a rushed and very businesslike pain in the ass. When I can drag the process out a little as soon as I nut they are practically BOUNCING out of the rack to jump in the shower and get their clothes back on and then hassle me about more money, propinas and motoconche money. I've honestly just about had it, and believe me, this ain't my first rodeo either here or in other well known mongering destinations. The only really good experience I've had so far is with a very plain looking chubby chica who I would NEVER give a second glance to; met her at a beach bar I hang out at and she was a friend of the owner and seemed sweet despite being "poco gordo"(a little fat). Ended up being totally GFE and a lot of fun in the rack and nice company for dinner. Proves that fat chicks need lovin too!!

I understand that these ladies are not professional courtesans and yes, they are human beings, too. I always try to treat them well and with respect but I've been comparing notes with other mongers here and seem to get a lot of the same story. Just seems I used to get better service for the most part in past years. Who knows, maybe it's me. I enjoy this place and will probably return but it sure isn't Thailand, let me tell you.

Staying at Mary Rose apartments this time and I CANNOT say enough good things about the property or Rick, the manager and owner. Really nice place.[/QUOTE]I commend you for being brave enough to admit on this forum that you went with a fugly. I doubt most guys would do this. I'll be on the ground in Sosua tomorrow and will be wifeing up for part of the trip and doing some sport-fucking as well. This works for me as I get all the GFE I can handle along with some variety.

[QUOTE=ZipHead;1671015]
I understand that these ladies are not professional courtesans and yes, they are human beings, too. I always try to treat them well and with respect but I've been comparing notes with other mongers here and seem to get a lot of the same story. Just seems I used to get better service for the most part in past years. Who knows, maybe it's me. I enjoy this place and will probably return but it sure isn't Thailand, let me tell you.

.[/QUOTE]Yo Zip are you hunting in Rumbas? I find the place to be full of hardcores and quick fucks. I don't like the vibe.

Hi all,

Went to Sosua for a couple of days for my first P4P trip. Now back home and consolidating my notes right now. Much to talk about. I don't have any comparable to other destinations or even Sosua to of previous years, but I have much to talk about my time there. Hopefully it would be of value to someone else reading this forum. Even with all the reading and preparations, I made many mistakes, some repeatedly which is quite embarrassing. Sosua can be completely crazy. A constant cycle to breaking my ego, not meeting expectations, getting frustrated, pleasant surprises, good times, and lucky breaks. Overall it was one of the most memorable mixed experiences I ever had. I have to say I felt I was very fortunate on my trip. And thank you for those who assisted one way or the other. I will post my report well before the Superbowl weekend so you guys can have some tips before you go.

My new motto. "You can't conquers Sosua. You can only experience it. "

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1671048]Yo Zip are you hunting in Rumbas? I find the place to be full of hardcores and quick fucks. I don't like the vibe.[/QUOTE]I just got back from Sosua yesterday. Right now, Rumba is ground zero for night action in sosua and I didn't find any other spot that comes close. Day action can be found in other ways, but more on that later to stay on topic. I've only seen Classico packed with good chicas only one night out of my stay. During the weekdays, just a few tourists dancing with their friends amongst themselves which looks kinda sad. Plus it's the Rumba chichas moving to Classico anyway, so the same chicas.

It's best to see Rumba as a Blackjack table that pays out in good / bad chicas or good / bad pussy. As you can hit, stay, split, double up, and use strategies to up your odds in blackjack, you have some controls to up your odds to get good chicas as well. Interviewing, observing, moving around, dance, buy / deny drinks and see how chicas react, have a pleasant conversation if you speak Spanish, negotiate really hard on price and so on.

Also, another hidden factor is that all the chichas are watching all the guys / potential customers in Rumbas. Far more chicas in Rumba than there are men, most of the chicas are just sitting in their chairs watching you. They know what you drink, how much can you drink, how much you already drank, do you have a ego, are you fun, are you annoying, can you dance, how much money you spend, which chica you took out already, how long you took her out and everything you did the previous nights. Some of the chicas already knew my hotel room before I even got to Rumba. Rumor mill does work overtime in Sosua whether it is accurate or not.

Ultimately, it is random chance. You can have 20 bad chicas in a row as you can have 20 good chicas in a row. Even one bad chica is demoralizing. Like the house always wins in blackjack, bad chicas happen. Time, energy, and money wasted. And if she is hitting you up for more money or having shitty attitude in 3 am, it really sucks. The fact that you have to pony up the money just to find out if you have a bad chica again is something to make any man pause. Just like blackjack you have to pay to play again.

On a brighter note, not only did I have bad WTF moments from Rumba chicas, I found my best "wow, you really exist" chicas in Rumba. Unlike blackjack you get to keep the good chicas in your rotation. And I can tell you for certain, that is a beautiful thing.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1671048]Yo Zip are you hunting in Rumbas? I find the place to be full of hardcores and quick fucks. I don't like the vibe.[/QUOTE]Yes Rumba's yielded one shark and one decent chica. The chicas who hang out just outside the door to the place are even worse, but I've had enough self control not to sample them. Rumba chicas are like the predators in Predator vs Alien. They size you up with laser and infrared assisted eyeballs and home in for the kill without remorse!

[QUOTE=ZipHead;1671175]Yes Rumba's yielded one shark and one decent chica. The chicas who hang out just outside the door to the place are even worse, but I've had enough self control not to sample them. Rumba chicas are like the predators in Predator vs Alien. They size you up with laser and infrared assisted eyeballs and home in for the kill without remorse![/QUOTE]Damn you hit a Home Run on that simile. But I would say more like the Alien. At least the Predator had a little honor in doing their job. LOL.

[QUOTE=ZipHead;1671015]Been here for a few days and have to say either my mongering skills are going downhill or the Sosua chica union is getting to be too formidable for me to deal with anymore. I've never been one to advocate the "wifeing up" procedure but I'm getting to think that might be the answer to the consistently crappy rushed service I'm getting from these ladies. Perhaps finding one you are compatible with and sticking with her is the way to go. I've had several days to sample (pics to follow in a few days when I'm out of the country) several chicas and invariably they are promising more than they deliver, don't want to kiss, very little in any GFE, sometimes reluctant to let me DATY and in general a rushed and very businesslike pain in the ass. When I can drag the process out a little as soon as I nut they are practically BOUNCING out of the rack to jump in the shower and get their clothes back on and then hassle me about more money, propinas and motoconche money. I've honestly just about had it, and believe me, this ain't my first rodeo either here or in other well known mongering destinations. The only really good experience I've had so far is with a very plain looking chubby chica who I would NEVER give a second glance to; met her at a beach bar I hang out at and she was a friend of the owner and seemed sweet despite being "poco gordo"(a little fat). Ended up being totally GFE and a lot of fun in the rack and nice company for dinner. Proves that fat chicks need lovin too!!

I understand that these ladies are not professional courtesans and yes, they are human beings, too. I always try to treat them well and with respect but I've been comparing notes with other mongers here and seem to get a lot of the same story. Just seems I used to get better service for the most part in past years. Who knows, maybe it's me. I enjoy this place and will probably return but it sure isn't Thailand, let me tell you.

Staying at Mary Rose apartments this time and I CANNOT say enough good things about the property or Rick, the manager and owner. Really nice place.[/QUOTE]Sosua is good for what it can provide. Now it may be more of a challenge to find chicas that give what you pay for. But they are out there, even in Sosua. There are several factors that become important. One is the amount of time one has to monger when they come. A dude with only a few days to 2 weeks, may be pressed to try to make the most of his time in Sosua. That can lead to making hasty decisions in selecting chicas. Another drawback, is not getting quality intel from ones own observations of chicas or the observations or experiences of other mongers.

I have spent a lot of time in the DR in the last 4 yrs. I have stayed sometimes 7 weeks, 5 months, and averaged 3 weeks per visit. In that time, I have got used to seeing many of the chicas when they got started and those that have been in it awhile. I have very little interest in getting with any of those chicas. They are like fixtures in Sosua. So if I do partake, I'm looking for new faces that come to Sosua to work. And this is where I can enjoy what Sosua has to offer and eliminate much of the frustration that guys are experiencing.

Aside from that, many guys that are fixtures here as well, seek outside of Sosua for talent. Something many guys with only a few days on vacation will NOT be doing. So in essence guys only know Sosua, and so they pick from what is there. I have heard some guys say that someof the chicas they met in Sosua, if you interact with them in a non PFP environment, the chicas don't act the same way. So in essence there is something to be said about how the vibe and construct in Sosua molds and shapes the behavior of everybody (mongers and chicas).

Many guys drawbacks to venturing away from Sosua is due to poor command of spanish. Not really interested in getting into the culture. Not really having time to cultivate a connection because they have wives and girlfriends back home. All in all, I would suggest a guy hold onto those chicas that do a good job. And consider having them as regulars, and have enough of them so you can rotate them for varieties sake. Enjoy them for as long as that will last. They may not be available the next time you come. Or they may change on you. Be willing to go to other areas of the DR to meet chicas. If it works for you, use latin dating websites. If you seek out ladies that actually work or are seriously going to school, you may make a great connection. But if you pick girls that are unemployed, or pretending to be students and have nothing going for themselves, be prepared to waste your time and/or money. Don't blame it on the website, blame it on the type of chicas you settle on meeting.

Overall, a monger that stays here for an extended period can often do better finding quality performance consistently, than a guy with little time and unlucky. Sometimes thats all it is. Being lucky choosing a chica and being pleasantly surprised.

Sosua is like fast food places. You can satisfy your hunger but do not think your are getting 5 star restaurant service. WRX is right the regulars have one thing in mind. They need to get paid so they can eat. They see 100's of guys every week. If you can find a fresh chica you have a chance for a better response. The hard core girls a more aggressive. They have a game they play to get you excited but become non performers once in the room with you. Rumba attracts scores of these girls.

If you are a short timer on the scene then you are more at risk of pulling a stinker. You can find some excellent talent but it takes patients and practice. If you want GFE you have to earn it. You need to repeat with the girl and maybe have a meal with her. The week end warriors set the tone that the girls live by. Once they become hard they are difficult to crack. In truth hardcore girls work for most sport fuckers to Sosua. If you go to a casa are you expecting GFE. NOOO! Same is true for Sosua. In Sosua you will see a couple 100 putas in one place. Every one of then will let you have sex for a small price. I like to have a basic relationship with the girls I deal with. I like seeing them again and we both want to hook back up. The girls are very sharp and see way more then we do. Most are willing give more if they feel you are willing to do more. Your choice quality or quantity. You can have either but it hard to have both. . .

[QUOTE=Black43;1671077]I just got back from Sosua yesterday. Right now, Rumba is ground zero for night action in sosua and I didn't find any other spot that comes close. Day action can be found in other ways, but more on that later to stay on topic. I've only seen Classico packed with good chicas only one night out of my stay. During the weekdays, just a few tourists dancing with their friends amongst themselves which looks kinda sad. Plus it's the Rumba chichas moving to Classico anyway, so the same chicas.

It's best to see Rumba as a Blackjack table that pays out in good / bad chicas or good / bad pussy. As you can hit, stay, split, double up, and use strategies to up your odds in blackjack, you have some controls to up your odds to get good chicas as well. Interviewing, observing, moving around, dance, buy / deny drinks and see how chicas react, have a pleasant conversation if you speak Spanish, negotiate really hard on price and so on.

Also, another hidden factor is that all the chichas are watching all the guys / potential customers in Rumbas. Far more chicas in Rumba than there are men, most of the chicas are just sitting in their chairs watching you. They know what you drink, how much can you drink, how much you already drank, do you have a ego, are you fun, are you annoying, can you dance, how much money you spend, which chica you took out already, how long you took her out and everything you did the previous nights. Some of the chicas already knew my hotel room before I even got to Rumba. Rumor mill does work overtime in Sosua whether it is accurate or not..[/QUOTE]Yes Black43, Right now I am in Sosua on ground. Some chicas are on the street / every fucking thing you want and every way you want. Once they come to your room they show true colors by taking their mask off. I had only one encounter so far. But I paid and kicked her out the door. The thing with me is I always stick to 1000 pesos per ST and no propina and no motoconcho ride money. No way from me. They call me cheap and bull shit to play with my head (bighead) and give me looks. Anyways, I am not looking for a great relationship, two hour. Not me. If the chica so good I had a sex machine once, and she has been servicing me so far. And I buy her food, some drinks cheap and sometimes good propina. But that's me.

This is my bottom line: chicas opinion of me for being cheap, is equivalent to toilet paper to me. I wipe and throw in the toilet, her opinion.

I am not a heartless man. I am discriminating fucker.

Thanks for the report.

I will be leaving end of this week. This is my first trip. I only had a week.

Take care you all.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1671196]Sosua is good for what it can provide. Now it may be more of a challenge to find chicas that give what you pay for. But they are out there, even in Sosua. There are several factors that become important. One is the amount of time one has to monger when they come. A dude with only a few days to 2 weeks, may be pressed to try to make the most of his time in Sosua. That can lead to making hasty decisions in selecting chicas. Another drawback, is not getting quality intel from ones own observations of chicas or the observations or experiences of other mongers.

I have spent a lot of time in the DR in the last 4 yrs. I have stayed sometimes 7 weeks, 5 months, and averaged 3 weeks per visit. In that time, I have got used to seeing many of the chicas when they got started and those that have been in it awhile. I have very little interest in getting with any of those chicas. They are like fixtures in Sosua. So if I do partake, I'm looking for new faces that come to Sosua to work. And this is where I can enjoy what Sosua has to offer and eliminate much of the frustration that guys are experiencing.

Aside from that, many guys that are fixtures here as well, seek outside of Sosua for talent. Something many guys with only a few days on vacation will NOT be doing. So in essence guys only know Sosua, and so they pick from what is there. I have heard some guys say that someof the chicas they met in Sosua, if you interact with them in a non PFP environment, the chicas don't act the same way. So in essence there is something to be said about how the vibe and construct in Sosua molds and shapes the behavior of everybody (mongers and chicas).

Many guys drawbacks to venturing away from Sosua is due to poor command of spanish. Not really interested in getting into the culture. Not really having time to cultivate a connection because they have wives and girlfriends back home. All in all, I would suggest a guy hold onto those chicas that do a good job. And consider having them as regulars, and have enough of them so you can rotate them for varieties sake. Enjoy them for as long as that will last. They may not be available the next time you come. Or they may change on you. Be willing to go to other areas of the DR to meet chicas. If it works for you, use latin dating websites. If you seek out ladies that actually work or are seriously going to school, you may make a great connection. But if you pick girls that are unemployed, or pretending to be students and have nothing going for themselves, be prepared to waste your time and/or money. Don't blame it on the website, blame it on the type of chicas you settle on meeting.

Overall, a monger that stays here for an extended period can often do better finding quality performance consistently, than a guy with little time and unlucky. Sometimes thats all it is. Being lucky choosing a chica and being pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]Good advice!

If I had taken the time to research and collect the most popular posts in this forum including some of my own, and repeated them above. I couldn't have said it better. :)

[QUOTE=OldKool;1671223] If you go to a casa are you expecting GFE. NOOO! Same is true for Sosua. In Sosua you will see a couple 100 putas in one place. Every one of then will let you have sex for a small price. I like to have a basic relationship with the girls I deal with. I like seeing them again and we both want to hook back up. The girls are very sharp and see way more then we do. Most are willing give more if they feel you are willing to do more. Your choice quality or quantity. You can have either but it hard to have both. . .[/QUOTE]Not true, I have been to Casas in Brazil and the Girls give you GFE. The difference is with Brazil girls that get into the puta game, they take pride in it, and they love what they do. They will do everything to impress you, hoping that you will repeat another session.

Dominican mindset is to take as much as they can get now without thinking about tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Black43;1671077]I just got back from Sosua yesterday. Right now, Rumba is ground zero for night action in sosua and I didn't find any other spot that comes close. Day action can be found in other ways, but more on that later to stay on topic. I've only seen Classico packed with good chicas only one night out of my stay. During the weekdays, just a few tourists dancing with their friends amongst themselves which looks kinda sad. Plus it's the Rumba chichas moving to Classico anyway, so the same chicas.

It's best to see Rumba as a Blackjack table that pays out in good / bad chicas or good / bad pussy. As you can hit, stay, split, double up, and use strategies to up your odds in blackjack, you have some controls to up your odds to get good chicas as well. Interviewing, observing, moving around, dance, buy / deny drinks and see how chicas react, have a pleasant conversation if you speak Spanish, negotiate really hard on price and so on.

Also, another hidden factor is that all the chichas are watching all the guys / potential customers in Rumbas. Far more chicas in Rumba than there are men, most of the chicas are just sitting in their chairs watching you. They know what you drink, how much can you drink, how much you already drank, do you have a ego, are you fun, are you annoying, can you dance, how much money you spend, which chica you took out already, how long you took her out and everything you did the previous nights. Some of the chicas already knew my hotel room before I even got to Rumba. Rumor mill does work overtime in Sosua whether it is accurate or not.

Ultimately, it is random chance. You can have 20 bad chicas in a row as you can have 20 good chicas in a row. Even one bad chica is demoralizing. Like the house always wins in blackjack, bad chicas happen. Time, energy, and money wasted. And if she is hitting you up for more money or having shitty attitude in 3 am, it really sucks. The fact that you have to pony up the money just to find out if you have a bad chica again is something to make any man pause. Just like blackjack you have to pay to play again.

On a brighter note, not only did I have bad WTF moments from Rumba chicas, I found my best "wow, you really exist" chicas in Rumba. Unlike blackjack you get to keep the good chicas in your rotation. And I can tell you for certain, that is a beautiful thing.[/QUOTE]The action varies a lot from week to week, season to season, day to day, so it's hard to generalize, but I think you have generally nailed what Sosua is all about these days.

You are right on with the quick pick ups, it's a coin toss, but with a little set up time, by the time you get to your 20 chicas, you should be able to get those odds in your favor.

Then, like me, you'll not only be sayin', "Wow, she really exists", but at the airport on your way out, It'll be. Wow, Sosua really exists!

Post more on your day time stuff.

[QUOTE=MexBrown50;1671311]Yes Black43, Right now I am in Sosua on ground. Some chicas are on the street / every fucking thing you want and every way you want. Once they come to your room they show true colors by taking their mask off. I had only one encounter so far. But I paid and kicked her out the door. The thing with me is I always stick to 1000 pesos per ST and no propina and no motoconcho ride money. No way from me. They call me cheap and bull shit to play with my head (bighead) and give me looks. Anyways, I am not looking for a great relationship, two hour. Not me. If the chica so good I had a sex machine once, and she has been servicing me so far. And I buy her food, some drinks cheap and sometimes good propina. But that's me.

This is my bottom line: chicas opinion of me for being cheap, is equivalent to toilet paper to me. I wipe and throw in the toilet, her opinion.

I am not a heartless man. I am discriminating fucker.

Thanks for the report.

I will be leaving end of this week. This is my first trip. I only had a week.

Take care you all.[/QUOTE]LOL you are cheap though. A lot of guys complaining about shitty service but want to give the girls bottom dollar. What motivation do they have besides the measly 20 dollars your giving them for the deed. I'm not saying you should overpay but stick to the standard and you might have better sessions. From my experience st 1500-2000 tln 2000-3000 ymmv. I fall into the category of the sports fucker. I could care less about GFE it actually creeps me out. I like the girls to be friendly but don't want them kissing me or holding my hand other BS. After I nut I want them to leave unless I'm preparing to go for another round. I go for quality and am willing to pay more to get it but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1671189]
Anyway, I have set out to work on many of my shortcomings. Thats a mission in life. We all do it. Very often I take the time out to also help those in denial of theirs. Especially when it comes to dealing with PFP women.[/QUOTE]You have lots of hats here in Sosua, DR. Phil and now Mother Teresa for mongers. Arrogant beyond belief, and what's sad is you don't even realize it.

Have been in Sosua 8 hours now and have had two very good sport fucking experiences pulling off the Strip and side streets. The festivities actually began on last. Friday when I crossed the border into Tijuana, Mexico and spent the weekend with my Mexican squeeze who I banged 6 times. I then crossed back into the US and flew to JFK Sunday evening and took the flight this morning into Puerto Plata. The flight arrived early and when I arrived I picked up my rental car and checked into CC, cashed some money, hit the market, and set my room up. Walked around town thinking I might grab something before dinner but decided against as I was a walking zombie having gotten no sleep all night after flying 9 hours to get here. After dinner I felt better and decided I'd grab a Chica and call it a night. Left the hotel and walked by New Garden and passed a girl with big knockers and a bigger ass, somewhat plain faced, not ugly, and not fat. I inspected the merchandise and found all the curves appealing to me. This is because my Mexican squeeze is a petite little spinner and this was very different then my weekend in Tijuana. So the chit chat started and she remarked how she liked the color of my hair and beard. That was a new one and I told her that lots of girls say nice things on the street but can be a dead fish in the room and hurry things. She swore to me she was not that way, liked too be caressed, etc. She sounded sincere so I asked how much for a "rato" and she said 1,500 Pesos. I told her I would giver her 1,200 Pesos and a tip for good service so off we went. In the room she was quite sexy shaking her booty around and lit up like a Christmas tree after I gave her a massage. Her blow job wasn't the greatest but she had nice moves and got off a couple of times as she actually squirted a little bit. It took a while for me to finish having not slept much but said to take all the time I wanted. Very loving, into touching, being held, etc. She walked out with 1,500 pesos. After this I decided to walk around the Strip and hung around Central Bar, went past Rumbas checking things out. I noticed a thin taller darker Chica that is my favorite body type. Slender with a little bubble gum butt and be cups. She walked by and I asked her what's up and she said she was going to have a beer and kept walking. That was kind of strange, what are these girls doing there unless there looking for customers. I waited a minute and then decided to find her. She was in the bar opposite Rumbas and I had her come outside so I could talk with her. She had a cute face and I was turned on looking at her body. Turns out she was half Haitian and half Dominican. Only an hour and a half had passed after being with the last one and was concerned that I might not be able to finish with her, I was also concerned she would have "saggy tit syndrome" prevalent on a lot of these Haitian Chicas. So the negotiations began and she asked for 2,000 Pesos. No way Jose, I told her I was going to take a walk and she said how much so I told her 1,250 Pesos and a possible tip. She said lets go. We got in the room and she hopped in the shower. I decided to hop in with her and what do you know, no saggy tits, however she had told me she had one three year old and had a see Section. Bingo, I knew at that point I was going to finish with this one. I gave her a limited massage and then she started stroking me and then asked for a condom. I then said what about a blow job. She said okay and was reluctant to do it without but did, and then reversed herself and wanted me to go down on her as well. At this point I did and then she really go into it. I finally donned the condom and oh my was she ever tight and into squealing, etc. She did a number on me and walked out with 1, 500 pesos as well. Will probably do her again tomorrow and then wife up with my Haitian later in the week who's an animal as well. The surfs up and I will be hitting Playa Encuentro in the morning.

[QUOTE=MexBrown50;1671311] Once they come to your room they show true colors by taking their mask off.

This is my bottom line: chicas opinion of me for being cheap, is equivalent to toilet paper to me. I wipe and throw in the toilet, her opinion.[/QUOTE]A wise person said, "Smile and the world will smile back at you". Your opinion of chicas and their reaction to you, are completely in line with that.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1671494] She did a number on me and walked out with 1, 500 pesos as well. Will probably do her again tomorrow and then wife up with my Haitian later in the week who's an animal as well. The surfs up and I will be hitting Playa Encuentro in the morning.[/QUOTE]Nice "Boots on the ground" report!

Thanks!

What you pay and everything else is different in Brazil. Go to a DR Casa and tell me you got GFE. I just checked flights to Rio 1200 including the visa. That is what I pay for a week in Sosua.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1671345]Not true, I have been to Casas in Brazil and the Girls give you GFE. The difference is with Brazil girls that get into the puta game, they take pride in it, and they love what they do. They will do everything to impress you, hoping that you will repeat another session.

Dominican mindset is to take as much as they can get now without thinking about tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1671345]
Dominican mindset is to take as much as they can get now without thinking about tomorrow.[/QUOTE]That is the mindset with many working girls all over the world, not just the DR.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1671494]Have been in Sosua 8 hours now and have had two very good sport fucking experiences pulling off the Strip and side streets. The festivities actually began on last. Friday when I crossed the border into Tijuana, Mexico and spent the weekend with my Mexican squeeze who I banged 6 times. I then crossed back into the US and flew to JFK Sunday evening and took the flight this morning into Puerto Plata. The flight arrived early and when I arrived I picked up my rental car and checked into CC, cashed some money, hit the market, and set my room up. Walked around town thinking I might grab something before dinner but decided against as I was a walking zombie having gotten no sleep all night after flying 9 hours to get here. After dinner I felt better and decided I'd grab a Chica and call it a night. Left the hotel and walked by New Garden and passed a girl with big knockers and a bigger ass, somewhat plain faced, not ugly, and not fat. I inspected the merchandise and found all the curves appealing to me. This is because my Mexican squeeze is a petite little spinner and this was very different then my weekend in Tijuana. So the chit chat started and she remarked how she liked the color of my hair and beard. That was a new one and I told her that lots of girls say nice things on the street but can be a dead fish in the room and hurry things. She swore to me she was not that way, liked too be caressed, etc. She sounded sincere so I asked how much for a "rato" and she said 1,500 Pesos. I told her I would giver her 1,200 Pesos and a tip for good service so off we went. In the room she was quite sexy shaking her booty around and lit up like a Christmas tree after I gave her a massage. Her blow job wasn't the greatest but she had nice moves and got off a couple of times as she actually squirted a little bit. It took a while for me to finish having not slept much but said to take all the time I wanted. Very loving, into touching, being held, etc. She walked out with 1,500 pesos. After this I decided to walk around the Strip and hung around Central Bar, went past Rumbas checking things out. I noticed a thin taller darker Chica that is my favorite body type. Slender with a little bubble gum butt and be cups. She walked by and I asked her what's up and she said she was going to have a beer and kept walking. That was kind of strange, what are these girls doing there unless there looking for customers. I waited a minute and then decided to find her. She was in the bar opposite Rumbas and I had her come outside so I could talk with her. She had a cute face and I was turned on looking at her body. Turns out she was half Haitian and half Dominican. Only an hour and a half had passed after being with the last one and was concerned that I might not be able to finish with her, I was also concerned she would have "saggy tit syndrome" prevalent on a lot of these Haitian Chicas. So the negotiations began and she asked for 2,000 Pesos. No way Jose, I told her I was going to take a walk and she said how much so I told her 1,250 Pesos and a possible tip. She said lets go. We got in the room and she hopped in the shower. I decided to hop in with her and what do you know, no saggy tits, however she had told me she had one three year old and had a see Section. Bingo, I knew at that point I was going to finish with this one. I gave her a limited massage and then she started stroking me and then asked for a condom. I then said what about a blow job. She said okay and was reluctant to do it without but did, and then reversed herself and wanted me to go down on her as well. At this point I did and then she really go into it. I finally donned the condom and oh my was she ever tight and into squealing, etc. She did a number on me and walked out with 1, 500 pesos as well. Will probably do her again tomorrow and then wife up with my Haitian later in the week who's an animal as well. The surfs up and I will be hitting Playa Encuentro in the morning.[/QUOTE]Good report!

Almost like being there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1671494]Have been in Sosua 8 hours now and have had two very good sport fucking experiences pulling off the Strip and side streets. The festivities actually began on last. Friday when I crossed the border into Tijuana, Mexico and spent the weekend with my Mexican squeeze who I banged 6 times. I then crossed back into the US and flew to JFK Sunday evening and took the flight this morning into Puerto Plata. The flight arrived early and when I arrived I picked up my rental car and checked into CC, cashed some money, hit the market, and set my room up. Walked around town thinking I might grab something before dinner but decided against as I was a walking zombie having gotten no sleep all night after flying 9 hours to get here. After dinner I felt better and decided I'd grab a Chica and call it a night. Left the hotel and walked by New Garden and passed a girl with big knockers and a bigger ass, somewhat plain faced, not ugly, and not fat. I inspected the merchandise and found all the curves appealing to me. This is because my Mexican squeeze is a petite little spinner and this was very different then my weekend in Tijuana. So the chit chat started and she remarked how she liked the color of my hair and beard. That was a new one and I told her that lots of girls say nice things on the street but can be a dead fish in the room and hurry things. She swore to me she was not that way, liked too be caressed, etc. She sounded sincere so I asked how much for a "rato" and she said 1,500 Pesos. I told her I would giver her 1,200 Pesos and a tip for good service so off we went. In the room she was quite sexy shaking her booty around and lit up like a Christmas tree after I gave her a massage. Her blow job wasn't the greatest but she had nice moves and got off a couple of times as she actually squirted a little bit. It took a while for me to finish having not slept much but said to take all the time I wanted. Very loving, into touching, being held, etc. She walked out with 1,500 pesos. After this I decided to walk around the Strip and hung around Central Bar, went past Rumbas checking things out. I noticed a thin taller darker Chica that is my favorite body type. Slender with a little bubble gum butt and be cups. .[/QUOTE]Will be in Sosua this weekend. I normally rent a SUV from in Sosua for around $30/ day. Checked online I saw that renting a car from the airport (compact car) can be had for about $20/ day. How much did you pay I understand that the $20 is the base price not including insurance. I do not have a credit card which includes car insurance so I guess I would have to pay more. Or can I just rent the car for the $20 with some type of hold on it on the credit card.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1671494]Have been in Sosua 8 hours now and have had two very good sport fucking experiences.[/QUOTE]I've been in Dominican Republic for ten days -- four nights in Santo Domingo, three in Sosua, and three in Juan Dolio. I have two more nights here, and then my last two nights in Boca Chica. I've been laid twice during this trip and have never paid a dime. I don't drink and I don't go to clubs, but free sex is available everywhere. For example, this morning during breakfast, the waitress who has waited on me for the last three days asked me if I was married or had a girl friend. When I explained that I was a widower without a girlfriend, she asked me if she could give me her telephone number. I accepted. She is 37 and attractive. The young woman (very attractive) who cleans my room just did the same thing. I am a US citizen, but I speak good (proper) Spanish. This probably helps me, but I am here for the history and the beaches, so sex is not priority #1.

When I was in Sosua, I saw some of the sexiest Latinas that I've ever seen. I also saw some of the ugliest, overweight foreign men (mostly German) that I've ever seen in one location. I assume that guys who can't get laid without paying come to Sosua. That's fine with me, but, that's not "sport fucking. " It's commerce.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1671706]Will be in Sosua this weekend. I normally rent a SUV from in Sosua for around $30/ day. Checked online I saw that renting a car from the airport (compact car) can be had for about $20/ day. How much did you pay I understand that the $20 is the base price not including insurance. I do not have a credit card which includes car insurance so I guess I would have to pay more. Or can I just rent the car for the $20 with some type of hold on it on the credit card.[/QUOTE]I did something I had never done before on this trip. I rented a car from OKAY Motors in Sosua. They met me at the airport with the car and took me to there office in Sosua. I rented the smallest car they had which was about $ 35 a day including all insurance with no deductible. While doing the paperwork I pointed out some minor dents in the fenders and they said not to worry about it as everything was covered 100 %. In other words I guess I could wreck the car and have no out of pocket expenses. When I showed up at their office I gave them my passport which they made a copy of and a credit card and told hem I would be paying cash. They took the money and didn't even bother swiping my card. I could of rented a car for cheaper but with the 100% deductible and free pick up and drop off at he airport upon my departure I don't think you canbeat that. You should try to avoid using a credit card if you can when renting a car, and if anyone tells you have to leave your Passport walk out! Good Luck.

What a gaggle this afternoon in Sosua. La Policia set up a DR style check point at the intersection on the Strip between the Bermuda Bar and Rumbas. The police began randomly pulling over all Moto-Concho drivers not wearing Helmets, (Cosco I think in Spanish). They also had some flatbed trucks which held about 20 Moto-Conchos each that they where loading the Moto-Conchos onto and hauling away. It appeared as though not all of the drivers not wearing helmets Moto-Conchos were taken. Those had to be the ones with some dinero in their pockets that they gave to the cops. There where groups of drivers whose Moto-Conchos were taken that where pretty distraught over all of this. Some where in tears as it seems as though they might not ever get them back.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1671376]You have lots of hats here in Sosua, DR. Phil and now Mother Teresa for mongers. Arrogant beyond belief, and what's sad is you don't even realize it.[/QUOTE]I couldn't said it better myself! Thank you for reporting. I too have tired of this wind bag!

RR.

The gentlemen on this site are about having sex with attractive young women. If we spend 10 days and have sex twice we are extremely unhappy. We are not coming to the DR for culture but for young pussy. Getting two freebies after paying a $1000 bucks to get there would not make any of us happy.

[QUOTE=PvrFederico;1671858]I've been in Dominican Republic for ten days -- four nights in Santo Domingo, three in Sosua, and three in Juan Dolio. I have two more nights here, and then my last two nights in Boca Chica. I've been laid twice during this trip and have never paid a dime. I don't drink and I don't go to clubs, but free sex is available everywhere. For example, this morning during breakfast, the waitress who has waited on me for the last three days asked me if I was married or had a girl friend. When I explained that I was a widower without a girlfriend, she asked me if she could give me her telephone number. I accepted. She is 37 and attractive. The young woman (very attractive) who cleans my room just did the same thing. I am a US citizen, but I speak good (proper) Spanish. This probably helps me, but I am here for the history and the beaches, so sex is not priority #1.

When I was in Sosua, I saw some of the sexiest Latinas that I've ever seen. I also saw some of the ugliest, overweight foreign men (mostly German) that I've ever seen in one location. I assume that guys who can't get laid without paying come to Sosua. That's fine with me, but, that's not "sport fucking. " It's commerce.[/QUOTE]

Coming from Toronto Canada wanted to know on the ground what the exchange rate is for USD and CAD.

Thank you

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1671916]I did something I had never done before on this trip. I rented a car from OKAY Motors in Sosua. They met me at the airport with the car and took me to there office in Sosua. I rented the smallest car they had which was about $ 35 a day including all insurance with no deductible. While doing the paperwork I pointed out some minor dents in the fenders and they said not to worry about it as everything was covered 100 %. In other words I guess I could wreck the car and have no out of pocket expenses. When I showed up at their office I gave them my passport which they made a copy of and a credit card and told hem I would be paying cash. They took the money and didn't even bother swiping my card. I could of rented a car for cheaper but with the 100% deductible and free pick up and drop off at he airport upon my departure I don't think you canbeat that. You should try to avoid using a credit card if you can when renting a car, and if anyone tells you have to leave your Passport walk out! Good Luck.[/QUOTE]Surfer, I had the same experience about a month ago while staying in Cabarete. I paid the extra $ for full insurance. You may have had the small silver Kia.

The free airport drop off paid for 1 day. Nice people in the office.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;1671353]LOL you are cheap though. A lot of guys complaining about shitty service but want to give the girls bottom dollar. What motivation do they have besides the measly 20 dollars your giving them for the deed. I'm not saying you should overpay but stick to the standard and you might have better sessions. From my experience st 1500-2000 tln 2000-3000 ymmv. I fall into the category of the sports fucker. I could care less about GFE it actually creeps me out. I like the girls to be friendly but don't want them kissing me or holding my hand other BS. After I nut I want them to leave unless I'm preparing to go for another round. I go for quality and am willing to pay more to get it but to each his own.[/QUOTE]The amount you pay doesn't count for service. It all depend on the chica.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1671223]Sosua is like fast food places. You can satisfy your hunger but do not think your are getting 5 star restaurant service. WRX is right the regulars have one thing in mind. They need to get paid so they can eat. They see 100's of guys every week. If you can find a fresh chica you have a chance for a better response. The hard core girls a more aggressive. They have a game they play to get you excited but become non performers once in the room with you. Rumba attracts scores of these girls.

If you are a short timer on the scene then you are more at risk of pulling a stinker. You can find some excellent talent but it takes patients and practice. If you want GFE you have to earn it. You need to repeat with the girl and maybe have a meal with her. The week end warriors set the tone that the girls live by. Once they become hard they are difficult to crack. In truth hardcore girls work for most sport fuckers to Sosua. If you go to a casa are you expecting GFE. NOOO! Same is true for Sosua. In Sosua you will see a couple 100 putas in one place. Every one of then will let you have sex for a small price. I like to have a basic relationship with the girls I deal with. I like seeing them again and we both want to hook back up. The girls are very sharp and see way more then we do. Most are willing give more if they feel you are willing to do more. Your choice quality or quantity. You can have either but it hard to have both. . .[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Oakie;1671337]Good advice!

If I had taken the time to research and collect the most popular posts in this forum including some of my own, and repeated them above. I couldn't have said it better. :)[/QUOTE]Thanks fellas, and for the input! I can relate to what you both say. I recall where I was in the beginning to where I am now. Now I laugh to myself as I patrol around Sosua knowing a little or a lot about many of the fixture chicas in Sosua. Not that I had them all, but enough of them. What also helped is the gathered intel from many mongers willing to share their knowledge or experiences.

Whats also interesting, is how many of the chicas are inter connected with each other. Depending on what happens with one chica may reflect on how the other chicas in her posse relate to you. Dudes are watched and studied by posses of chicas, all day and night. Thats why I don't like to rush or be too hasty grabbing a chica. I like to give them time to run their sales pitch if they have one. I prefer seeking out the fresher, less tainted appearing chicas. The ones that are less business like. Those are preferred, over many of the fine looking fixture chicas or the 5 inch heeled diva chicas (that only come out after 10 pm). Having regulars is great when not seeking new talent.

[QUOTE=Black43;1671077]I just got back from Sosua yesterday. Right now, Rumba is ground zero for night action in sosua and I didn't find any other spot that comes close. Day action can be found in other ways, but more on that later to stay on topic. I've only seen Classico packed with good chicas only one night out of my stay. During the weekdays, just a few tourists dancing with their friends amongst themselves which looks kinda sad. Plus it's the Rumba chichas moving to Classico anyway, so the same chicas.

It's best to see Rumba as a Blackjack table that pays out in good / bad chicas or good / bad pussy. As you can hit, stay, split, double up, and use strategies to up your odds in blackjack, you have some controls to up your odds to get good chicas as well. Interviewing, observing, moving around, dance, buy / deny drinks and see how chicas react, have a pleasant conversation if you speak Spanish, negotiate really hard on price and so on.

Also, another hidden factor is that all the chichas are watching all the guys / potential customers in Rumbas. Far more chicas in Rumba than there are men, most of the chicas are just sitting in their chairs watching you. They know what you drink, how much can you drink, how much you already drank, do you have a ego, are you fun, are you annoying, can you dance, how much money you spend, which chica you took out already, how long you took her out and everything you did the previous nights. Some of the chicas already knew my hotel room before I even got to Rumba. Rumor mill does work overtime in Sosua whether it is accurate or not..[/QUOTE]In the 5 months that just past (took a break late December until now), one of the things me and few guys have experienced and observed are chicas coming to work on their periods / menstruation. Coming on it, not finished with it, or knee deep in it, but trying to hide it. Thats bad for a dude who has certain things he wants to do with a chica (DATY, kissing, BBBJ etc). Not too many chicas are going to be relaxed and performance driven if they are trying to pull off working on their periods.

It's to the point, I try to find out when they had their periods. I'll get on the subject, by making conversation in order to get the information. I may ask them if they have pain and how long it lasts when they are menstruating. And maybe when it was last or expected. If she indicates she's ready (no period) for me now, any surprises later on will result in dismissal, severe reduction in income, and / or no repeat business. Regulars try to pull that crap from time to time too. Thats why I get their menstruation dates/info straight before they come. If they can't perform fully, I rather get someone who is 100% ready.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1671532]What you pay and everything else is different in Brazil. Go to a DR Casa and tell me you got GFE. I just checked flights to Rio 1200 including the visa. That is what I pay for a week in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Ofcourse you are going to pay more for a flight to Rio, it takes 3 times farther than Sosua in terms of time.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672101]In the 5 months that just past (took a break late December until now), one of the things me and few guys have experienced and observed are chicas coming to work on their periods / menstruation. Coming on it, not finished with it, or knee deep in it, but trying to hide it. Thats bad for a dude who has certain things he wants to do with a chica (DATY, kissing, BBBJ etc). Not too many chicas are going to be relaxed and performance driven if they are trying to pull off working on their periods.

It's to the point, I try to find out when they had their periods. I'll get on the subject, by making conversation in order to get the information. I may ask them if they have pain and how long it lasts when they are menstruating. And maybe when it was last or expected. If she indicates she's ready (no period) for me now, any surprises later on will result in dismissal, severe reduction in income, and / or no repeat business. Regulars try to pull that crap from time to time too. Thats why I get their menstruation dates/info straight before they come. If they can't perform fully, I rather get someone who is 100% ready.[/QUOTE]Thats a damn shame when a guy has to get that personal with these chicas. Only in DR.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1672115]Thats a damn shame when a gut has to get that personal with these chicas. Only in DR.[/QUOTE]Sometimes it's just a subject many chicas / women relate to. Many arent turned off by those questions. Especially if there is some chemistry between them. But think about it. Thats minor compared to a dude getting personal in seeking info on a chicas medical / disease history. If anything is more important and personal to know, it's those things. But how many dudes are going to seek out that information, before engaging in DATY, BBBJ, vaginal / anal sex with or without a condom? Same for the chicas. I'm sure enough of them have concerns, as well as seeing some hideous things dealing with mongers. I just want to eliminate having to waste time and finding out in the moment.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672096]Thanks fellas, and for the input! I can relate to what you both say. I recall where I was in the beginning to where I am now. Now I laugh to myself as I patrol around Sosua knowing a little or a lot about many of the fixture chicas in Sosua. Not that I had them all, but enough of them. What also helped is the gathered intel from many mongers willing to share their knowledge or experiences.

Whats also interesting, is how many of the chicas are inter connected with each other. Depending on what happens with one chica may reflect on how the other chicas in her posse relate to you. Dudes are watched and studied by posses of chicas, all day and night. Thats why I don't like to rush or be too hasty grabbing a chica. I like to give them time to run their sales pitch if they have one. I prefer seeking out the fresher, less tainted appearing chicas. The ones that are less business like. Those are preferred, over many of the fine looking fixture chicas or the 5 inch heeled diva chicas (that only come out after 10 pm). Having regulars is great when not seeking new talent.[/QUOTE]I guess irony and sarcasm go over your head too.

Why am I not surprised? :)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672116]... just normal arrogance.[/QUOTE]Odd concept?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1672122]I guess irony and sarcasm go over your head too.

Why am I not surprised? :)[/QUOTE]Your not surprised because you haven't yet grasped that you can't always correctly judge a person or their intent simply by words on a message board. Words are just words. How do you know you got it right? The person may be a bad writer, or provide incomplete information. The individual reading gives life to those words. Each person embraces it in their own way. On face value, with no presumptions or biases, I understood the statement you wrote as it was written. I can see how that can apply, somewhere with somebody. You and a few individuals, appear as if you have to 1st see who is writing, before you know what to do with the information. Which is quite comical seeing it played out here.

OTOH, if we were to conduct an experiment on how some of you would react to the same words / information written by somebody else, typically your reaction and response would be different. That suggests to me, that some of you are more tuned into accepting or rejecting posts / information based on your perception and relation to the individual posting. Moreso than what is said. The irony is, I'm sure you didn't realize how obvious it shows here, and so I wasnt expecting an all out showing of brotherhood from you. So whatever you wrote makes no difference what's it's intent was. The basic premise was correct. Besides I'm not a hater.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1672130]Odd concept?[/QUOTE]As is, arrogance beyond belief. All is relative and / or subjective.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672119]Sometimes it's just a subject many chicas / women relate to. Many arent turned off by those questions. Especially if there is some chemistry between them. But think about it. Thats minor compared to a dude getting personal in seeking info on a chicas medical / disease history. If anything is more important and personal to know, it's those things. But how many dudes are going to seek out that information, before engaging in DATY, BBBJ, vaginal / anal sex with or without a condom? Same for the chicas. I'm sure enough of them have concerns, as well as seeing some hideous things dealing with mongers. I just want to eliminate having to waste time and finding out in the moment.[/QUOTE]I'm turned off. I don't want to talk about a chick cycle when all I want from her is some pussy.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1672080]The amount you pay doesn't count for service. It all depend on the chica.[/QUOTE]It might not guarantee good service but paying her 1000 pesos isn't going to motivate her to go all out. These girls want repeats so they put on good performances hoping you take her again. What's the point of trying hard with someone who you know is going to lowball you.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1672138]I'm turned off. I don't want to talk about a chick cycle when all I want from her is some pussy.[/QUOTE]Understood. I don't like going there either. However, I avoided quite a few disappointing sessions by getting that information up front, mainly with regulars.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1672190]Okay, so I'm curious as to what happened to all the Moto-Conchos that where hauled away. I don't recall if any of them had plates or were registered. Are they given a claim ticket where they can go pick them up at an impound yard.[/QUOTE]Exactamente. My friend had his taken in Sosua. They don't care if you have current registration because it's a sweep. You walk away without your bike and later take your paperwork to the impound lot. It was really sad to see these guys walking away with their head down as their bike was on the back of a tow truck going down the street.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1672130]Odd concept?[/QUOTE]This is not an odd concept for him, but to others like you and I it is.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672133]Your not surprised because you haven't yet grasped that you can't always correctly judge a person or their intent simply by words on a message board. Words are just words. How do you know you got it right? The person may be a bad writer, or provide incomplete information. The individual reading gives life to those words. Each person embraces it in their own way. On face value, with no presumptions or biases, I understood the statement you wrote as it was written. I can see how that can apply, somewhere with somebody. You and a few individuals, appear as if you have to 1st see who is writing, before you know what to do with the information. Which is quite comical seeing it played out here.
.[/QUOTE]LOL.

Classic projection!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672204]Not sure how individuals are dealt with once they get to the station. Especially, dominicans over non dominicans. But out of curiosity, I'm going to ask a few moto drivers or whoever knows, what happens.[/QUOTE]I've some experience with this about 5 years ago I was driving through the interesction at the supermarket. I was caught in the middle of the interection when the light turned red. The traffic cleared and I continued so as not to block the interection. There was a police (amet) standing on a soap box how flagged me down once I cleared the interection. He caught me driving without a seatbelt, drinking a beer, with no drivers license or even a photo copy. 3 cops jumped into my car a made me drive up the mountain to the other police station. They then told me that my car will be impounded and I would have to go to court on moday and it was Saturday (from what I understand I speak very little spanish). I'm Canadian once there I say 2 Americans that they caught driving without there seatbelt and they were trying to get 5000 DOP from them to let them go. I think they wanted that crazy money because the guys rented a $100 US SUV from the airport. Luckly I had a American friend that kind of lives down there come a rescue me. He knew a few of the police officers and they let me go after paying them 1000 DOP total. He helped out the two other guys but they had to pay more. That was my second trip. I was funny to me because they told me they don't care about the dring and driving. But the red light was the major thing for them. In the last 5 years I've had my car tow over 4 times for parking issues and had to pay to have it released.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672133]OTOH, if we were to conduct an experiment on how some of you would react to the same words / information written by somebody else, typically your reaction and response would be different. That suggests to me, that some of you are more tuned into accepting or rejecting posts / information based on your perception and relation to the individual posting. Moreso than what is said. The irony is, I'm sure you didn't realize how obvious it shows here, and so I wasnt expecting an all out showing of brotherhood from you. So whatever you wrote makes no difference what's it's intent was. The basic premise was correct. Besides I'm not a hater.[/QUOTE]That is easier than you think.

Just look at past posts, mine and yours (I've argued with ALL the main players here at one time or another).

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672133]OTOH, Besides I'm not a hater.[/QUOTE]And Nixon wasn't a crook. LOL.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1672190]Okay, so I'm curious as to what happened to all the Moto-Conchos that where hauled away. I don't recall if any of them had plates or were registered. Are they given a claim ticket where they can go pick them up at an impound yard.[/QUOTE]I was told by a local bar owner while watching this circus, that it costs 1,000 pesos to get your motoconcho back from the pound.

I was on the back of one when it was pulled over and taken by the policia last December.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1672221]I was told by a local bar owner while watching this circus, that it costs 1,000 pesos to get your motoconcho back from the pound.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1671521]A wise person said, "Smile and the world will smile back at you". Your opinion of chicas and their reaction to you, are completely in line with that.[/QUOTE]Of course, you are referring to the original poster, God, or Aristotle, but what the fuck, one may or may not exist and the other has been dead for a couple thousand years.

But those are my words to live by, so I want to take some credit for posting them here, often. LOL.

[QUOTE=PvrFederico;1671858]I've been in Dominican Republic for ten days -- four nights in Santo Domingo, three in Sosua, and three in Juan Dolio. I have two more nights here, and then my last two nights in Boca Chica. I've been laid twice during this trip and have never paid a dime. I don't drink and I don't go to clubs, but free sex is available everywhere. For example, this morning during breakfast, the waitress who has waited on me for the last three days asked me if I was married or had a girl friend. When I explained that I was a widower without a girlfriend, she asked me if she could give me her telephone number. I accepted. She is 37 and attractive. The young woman (very attractive) who cleans my room just did the same thing. I am a US citizen, but I speak good (proper) Spanish. This probably helps me, but I am here for the history and the beaches, so sex is not priority #1.

When I was in Sosua, I saw some of the sexiest Latinas that I've ever seen. I also saw some of the ugliest, overweight foreign men (mostly German) that I've ever seen in one location. I assume that guys who can't get laid without paying come to Sosua. That's fine with me, but, that's not "sport fucking. " It's commerce.[/QUOTE]So what in hell are you doing here?

How did you get to a monger forum? Let us know, let's have some fun.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1671991]Coming from Toronto Canada wanted to know on the ground what the exchange rate is for USD and CAD.

Thank you[/QUOTE]Hey, neighbor.

The rates are changing every day, but you can go online.

Just make sure you only make one currency exchange (CAN to DP) and you can do this if you use a ATM card at ScotiaBank in Sosua, The excellent rate you'll get is tempered, somewhat, by the ATM fees.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1672080]The amount you pay doesn't count for service. It all depend on the chica.[/QUOTE]Depends on your attitude too.

Treat them like shit, they'll be that.

Treat them like women, they'll try harder?

[QUOTE=PvrFederico;1671858]I've been in Dominican Republic for ten days -- four nights in Santo Domingo, three in Sosua, and three in Juan Dolio. I have two more nights here, and then my last two nights in Boca Chica. I've been laid twice during this trip and have never paid a dime. I don't drink and I don't go to clubs, but free sex is available everywhere. For example, this morning during breakfast, the waitress who has waited on me for the last three days asked me if I was married or had a girl friend. When I explained that I was a widower without a girlfriend, she asked me if she could give me her telephone number. I accepted. She is 37 and attractive. The young woman (very attractive) who cleans my room just did the same thing. I am a US citizen, but I speak good (proper) Spanish. This probably helps me, but I am here for the history and the beaches, so sex is not priority #1.

When I was in Sosua, I saw some of the sexiest Latinas that I've ever seen. I also saw some of the ugliest, overweight foreign men (mostly German) that I've ever seen in one location. I assume that guys who can't get laid without paying come to Sosua. That's fine with me, but, that's not "sport fucking. " It's commerce.[/QUOTE]Thanks for telling us that you got laid twice without paying, free sex is everywhere, you saw some of the sexiest latinas you have ever seen, are visiting Sosua and Boca Chica, two of the top mongering destinations in the world (although the latter not so much anymore), but are only here for the history and the beaches. And you mention this on the [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL].

Makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1672357]Of course, you are referring to the original poster, God, or Aristotle, but what the fuck, one may or may not exist and the other has been dead for a couple thousand years. But those are my words to live by, so I want to take some credit for posting them here, often. LOL.[/QUOTE]Oops, can't speak of God (being an agnostic) or Aristotle (for the reason cited by you) but in case you had mentioned it earlier, my apologies; Did not want to steal your thunder Bro. Yes, it helps to look in the mirror as one laments about obnoxious females. That maxim continues to serve me (and you too, by your words) well.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1672376]Thanks for telling us that you got laid twice without paying, free sex is everywhere, you saw some of the sexiest latinas you have ever seen, are visiting Sosua and Boca Chica, two of the top mongering destinations in the world (although the latter not so much anymore), but are only here for the history and the beaches. And you mention this on the [URL]internationalsexguide.info[/URL].

Makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]After 10 days of looking at beautiful young sexy latino chica and I only sexed 2 that is a terrible vacation for me. I don't care if they were free. If I am there for 10 days I have been through 18 to 25 chicas of my own choosing, but hey I am mongering. If what I am doing is wrong may I be struck down with more pesos.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1672393]After 10 days of looking at beautiful young sexy latino chica and I only sexed 2 that is a terrible vacation for me. I don't care if they were free. If I am there for 10 days I have been through 18 to 25 chicas of my own choosing, but hey I am mongering. If what I am doing is wrong may I be struck down with more pesos.[/QUOTE]25 chicas in 10 days?

You'll make the gods jealous.

Don't be standing under any trees in a thunderstorm, ya hear?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1672390]Oops, can't speak of God (being an agnostic) or Aristotle (for the reason cited by you) but in case you had mentioned it earlier, my apologies; Did not want to steal your thunder Bro. Yes, it helps to look in the mirror as one laments about obnoxious females. That maxim continues to serve me (and you too, by your words) well.[/QUOTE]You know I was joking.

Can't take credit for that old saw.

But the other one I live by is mine. I Googled it just now before I posted it to be sure.

"Some see a lump of useless rock, but inside is a Michaelangelo Pieta waiting to be cut free".

[QUOTE=Oakie;1672399]25 chicas in 10 days?

You'll make the gods jealous.

Don't be standing under any trees in a thunderstorm, ya hear?[/QUOTE]What can I say some days I like morning afternoon and late night snacks.it doesn't even come close to the amount of nuts surfer gets from one chica

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1672218]I've some experience with this about 5 years ago I was driving through the interesction at the supermarket. I was caught in the middle of the interection when the light turned red. The traffic cleared and I continued so as not to block the interection. There was a police (amet) standing on a soap box how flagged me down once I cleared the interection. He caught me driving without a seatbelt, drinking a beer, with no drivers license or even a photo copy. 3 cops jumped into my car a made me drive up the mountain to the other police station. They then told me that my car will be impounded and I would have to go to court on moday and it was Saturday (from what I understand I speak very little spanish). I'm Canadian once there I say 2 Americans that they caught driving without there seatbelt and they were trying to get 5000 DOP from them to let them go. I think they wanted that crazy money because the guys rented a $100 US SUV from the airport. Luckly I had a American friend that kind of lives down there come a rescue me. He knew a few of the police officers and they let me go after paying them 1000 DOP total. He helped out the two other guys but they had to pay more. That was my second trip. I was funny to me because they told me they don't care about the dring and driving. But the red light was the major thing for them. In the last 5 years I've had my car tow over 4 times for parking issues and had to pay to have it released.[/QUOTE]I got caught twice by that same light. It's almost like the cars directly in front are in cohoots with the AMET police to make sure you get stuck under the light as it turns red. The 1st time, they told me to pull into the PN parking lot. Was willing to give some pesos to get out. The cute female AMET officer with the nice ass was given my license by the other officer. She looked at it, and walked over to me and told me I could go. The 2nd time, I knew I didn't go through that light. But I got stopped anyway. This time me and my passenger (american) both complained to the officer that he was wrong. I think we convinced them that they could have been wrong, because they let us go after showing them my credentials. Way before those incidents, I did get a ticket for no seat belt. The ticket was 1600 pesos. I had a dominican "friend" take me up to the AMET station. He spoke on my behalf (I stayed in the car) and I left the station 1000 pesos poorer. But I learned something from that and other instances while dealing with him. The dominican dude wasnt really my friend. I shouldn't have had to pay 1000 pesos. Plus he never told me that I could have given the officer much much less at the time I was stopped. I learned that later. That would have been useful info instead of thinking I need him to "help" me out. That's the way he hustles to make a living.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1672219]That is easier than you think.

Just look at past posts, mine and yours (I've argued with ALL the main players here at one time or another).

[/QUOTE]The common denominator is that you initiate negativity, especially back then, (probably with all of those main players as well) and then evolve to trying to turn it into personalizing, so you can avoid looking ridiculous not having a constructive POV to support. Just like your posting buddies, the same MO.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1672218]

. In the last 5 years I've had my car tow over 4 times for parking issues and had to pay to have it released.
[/QUOTE]That is good info. I have never had a auto towed in the DR but will be more careful now because of this post.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672185]
It's a hit or miss whether an AMET officer will accept a bribe or not. Not all will accept it out in public, and some not at all.
[/QUOTE]Listen up new guys this is serious business. That statement says a mouth full.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1672437]What can I say some days I like morning afternoon and late night snacks.it doesn't even come close to the amount of nuts surfer gets from one chica[/QUOTE]GrownMan you are correct, over a five day period during my last trip while in Boca Chica my ex-psycho Dominican fatal attraction nymphomaniac Chica did get 20 plus leches out of me within five days and I also got a little road rash on my Johnson from it all. I'm over six decades old and I don't know how I pulled it off. I think it was because there were no waves to ride in Boca Chica, hence I had to ride something to fill in the mornings.

I'm trying to throttle things back a notch here in Sosua. The last two days I've spent about 2 hours each morning riding the waves at Playa Encuentro and it's been taxing, hence my nutting is going to be reduced. I am fortunate though in that I do have a Haitian Chica here capable of extracting the leche out of me like psycho woman if I desire it.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1672527]I recall typing that we don't need to meet. You then claimed I was afraid to meet a monger. The more you kept trying to assign how I supposedly think, the more I realized we really don't need to meet. Eventually you busted out with the arrogance beyond belief statement. Perhaps because you didn't like that? Who knows what your malfunction is. All I know is I'm on a message board with anonymous individuals. So how the hell could a person online manifest arrogance, especially arrogance beyond belief, just because they wisely decline an insincere invite?[/QUOTE]You previously in your own written words admitted too being only "normally arrogant" versus "arrogant beyond belief" and know refuse to acknowledge what you wrote by wrapping it around meeting. Your claiming now that your on a message board with anonymous individuals, while in your past posts claim to have personally meet some of it's members.

I think your on this site masquerading as a mongerer. Perhaps your gay and despise mongerers having such a need to "counsel" us all in our ways.

If your for real, prove it. I'll be at the above-mentioned place at the time stated or could meet at another time or venue. My terms for meeting are simple, I hold no grudges and anything I've written will be water under the bridge. If your truly a mongerer then we shouldn't always be at odds with one another in this hobby.

I often wonder who is real and who is make believe. I am sure they are guys who read a true mongers post and then forms his on original post using what the true monger told them. I have noticed over the last couple of years that some of the main players on this page cannot keep what they say straight. My momma told me when I was a kid if you tell a lie then you got to keep lying from now on to cover the 1 lie you just told. I could expose the lies and would if I thought it would keep some one out of jail but I would like to keep peace with all. So in saying all of that just realize that they are 5-0 on here just like they are anywhere else people visit and you should be ok.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1673567]I often wonder who is real and who is make believe. I am sure they are guys who read a true mongers post and then forms his on original post using what the true monger told them. I have noticed over the last couple of years that some of the main players on this page cannot keep what they say straight. My momma told me when I was a kid if you tell a lie then you got to keep lying from now on to cover the 1 lie you just told. I could expose the lies and would if I thought it would keep some one out of jail but I would like to keep peace with all. So in saying all of that just realize that they are 5-0 on here just like they are anywhere else people visit and you should be ok.[/QUOTE]I think that goes for anything you read on the internet (or at least on a anonymous forum) . Take it all with a grain of salt. People can pretty much say whatever they like and some posters do just that. Having said that, there is useful information here.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1673567]I often wonder who is real and who is make believe. I am sure they are guys who read a true mongers post and then forms his on original post using what the true monger told them. I have noticed over the last couple of years that some of the main players on this page cannot keep what they say straight. My momma told me when I was a kid if you tell a lie then you got to keep lying from now on to cover the 1 lie you just told. I could expose the lies and would if I thought it would keep some one out of jail but I would like to keep peace with all. So in saying all of that just realize that they are 5-0 on here just like they are anywhere else people visit and you should be ok.[/QUOTE]This is why my reporting style is different. I share a few anecdotes but the primary motivation for my reporting is to share intel on diferent locations so that fellow mongers can be informed should that decide to visit the places I have been.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1673567]I often wonder who is real and who is make believe. I am sure they are guys who read a true mongers post and then forms his on original post using what the true monger told them. I have noticed over the last couple of years that some of the main players on this page cannot keep what they say straight. My momma told me when I was a kid if you tell a lie then you got to keep lying from now on to cover the 1 lie you just told. I could expose the lies and would if I thought it would keep some one out of jail but I would like to keep peace with all. So in saying all of that just realize that they are 5-0 on here just like they are anywhere else people visit and you should be ok.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of crap goes on here, but most of it is transparent. You can sort out the wheat from the chaff.

I found Sosua to be a monger paradise because I paid attention to the fans, and mostly disregarded the negativity and the critics. But positive and negative, they are all here, so there's something for everybody.

YYZ to POP $524 CAD with Air Transit. Been a long time since I taken a direct flight from YYZ to POP. Normally do BUF to JFK to POP because cheaper but Toronto managered to be cheaper this time, I was amazed worth a note for all the Toronto people.

I was picked up from airport by car rental company which is located in Sosua for Free with free drop off. So no need for me to pay taxi. Been renting cars from same company for years but they still pick up anyone from the airport for free if you rent with them. I got I better rate then someone else does due to the fact I have rented soo many times 28 US / day new SUV for sosua it was a 2011. Normally 35 to 40 US / day the cheapest. They will not barging with new people so don't ask. Respect is earned in the DR with locals.

Exchange rate $1 Cad = 34.80 on the ground not banks or ATM's. Was $42 in July 2014 worth a note since CAD down compared to USD. Guys it cuts 20% off the top of your money. F**k.

*Note: All my review if I can write them will be under a bottle of brugal and presidente mix with W**the LOL in my room because it takes about 4 hrs + for me to write and edit for my personal life notes, about my adventures though life. I like to get F*k up on vacations. Side note: big up to all central teck and Runnymede peps. Jane street from bloor to Jane / finch street big up wardies. WESTSIDE. People from T. O from westend you know what I mean if you are in your mid 30's. I saw a friend from highschool on my second night who said he checked this site but did not find anything he could use. He asked me to write something.

Day 1.

Checked into apartment will review apartment at the end. Hit the strip noted that the'Latin closed doors boarded up. Rumba has the before party people. Full but note a decine in the amount of chicas over my last 5 years of coming. Still a lot to pick from so you will not be disappointed. 200 dop to get into classico, comes with wrist band. 5000 dop for a bottle of heny in the club. I ues to get a 10% discound from the"latino's before. Barteners from that club that know me and want my busines talk to the manager and got me the same discount but I did not buy a bottle the first night. Lots of the same chicas to mention that are always in sosua. I showed my love to thoughs chicas. They train other chicas that come to sosua, nuff said.

Picked a chica I have rocked with before. I have learnt over the years that for me, the first night can really set the tone for the rest of the trip. She did everything I wanted with no issues period, she cumed a few times told me she wants to stay with me no problem 1500 dop all day with food of cource. Told her maybe. Drop her home happy no extra 3000 dop. Maybe see her again. We f*k 4 times from 2 am till 1 pm with all my extras. To note my spanih is not good. I know basic words that is it. Chica told me other chica have nuff respect for me and ever chica told her, see is stupid if she does not go with me first night. Other chica's jealous. LOL.

After 2 pm a drive around POP not sosua geting phone numbers from chicas from the beach and main supermarket.

Note: My report will be from the prospected of someone that has has other mongers helped before. They are not on this board so take what you want from this, old school love nuff respect reggea hip hop combined, JR gateries from the late 80's nuff respect all my NY and**ga who helped me thought the years Toronto / NY combined respect. I have made many mistakes and still do. You can never really know what you will get when you get back to your room, but you can interview them. Woman are Woman where ever you are in the world, that are not asian LOL. Girls that you can f*k and make them cum. I find will be more loyal to you. Depends what you do sexually. I'm not into 2 chicas at the same time unless they are true lesbians which they must confirm before we get to the room. I have one dick and don't want to do too much work. I like chica that look that they are new to sosua. They know what you want and will be happy sucking your dick for 1 HR straight with no condom and cum in their mouth. LOL. Make sure you have mouth wash. LOL. This also included massages. I know somethings I write will contridict other things I say, do to the personily and my chances for a good time with a chica.

Day 2.

With hotel it included breakfast for 2 people. Know the owner who is from NY how is here right now. 28 us / day this was my jump off spot before I normally get a 2 bedroom villa. I am solo by the way. He wanted all my business so will stay with with my whole trip. Really good rate. Remember I have stayed here many times before so this will not apply to you. I want to show people what can be had with you investment in sosua. IE money over time.

Chica from last night was happy with food delievered to room at 10 am. Also king side bed with a / see hot water on timer no I'd needed but I take just for my security and lock it in the car. 24 HR security with no problems. I also talked to security before any chica comes to my room to set the condistions for my stay. Ie don't talk to my chica don't ask anything unless I tell you. My secnd language is french secrurit is from Haiti. Quiet hotel no moto contro making noise at night.

Sleep during the day. Got to classico around mid night. I like to play the game I talk to almost ever chica that I think is good looking to see how they are. Even if after they don't speak english in my basic spanish for atleast 1 HR with 1 or 2 beers. If she wants more than presidente dump the be*tch in my opion. Unless you want to take a chance.

But I like see*ke chica smetimes. I have reguarl that I see that does it. But tried something new tonight. I don't do see*ke. But sometimes they are sexual, to non see*ke chicas. Due to there highness I bed.

* Warning they can also be a lot of troble if you don't know what you are doing* don't do what i do. Unless you have been down there several times and know the what is going on with these chicas *.

Massage, BBBJ. 1000 dop all night she told me. Ended up kicking her out after 3 hrs at my place. She got too crazy she started taking burgal straight to the head from the bootle. Which made her nuts. Kicked her out happy so no problem with her 1000 dop.

More to come stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1673729]YYZ to POP $524 CAD with Air Transit. Been a long time since I taken a direct flight from YYZ to POP. Normally do BUF to JFK to POP because cheaper but Toronto managered to be cheaper this time, I was amazed worth a note for all the Toronto people.

I was picked up from airport by car rental company which is located in Sosua for Free with free drop off. So no need for me to pay taxi. Been renting cars from same company for years but they still pick up anyone from the airport for free if you rent with them. I got I better rate then someone else does due to the fact I have rented soo many times 28 US / day new SUV for sosua it was a 2011. Normally 35 to 40 US / day the cheapest. They will not barging with new people so don't ask. Respect is earned in the DR with locals.

Exchange rate $1 Cad = 34.80 on the ground not banks or ATM's. Was $42 in July 2014 worth a note since CAD down compared to USD. Guys it cuts 20% off the top of your money. F**k.

*Note: All my review if I can write them will be under a bottle of brugal and presidente mix with W**the LOL in my room because it takes about 4 hrs + for me to write and edit for my personal life notes, about my adventures though life. I like to get F*k up on vacations. Side note: big up to all central teck and Runnymede peps. Jane street from bloor to Jane / finch street big up wardies. WESTSIDE. People from T. O from westend you know what I mean if you are in your mid 30's. I saw a friend from highschool on my second night who said he checked this site but did not find anything he could use. He asked me to write something..[/QUOTE]Keep us posted on your adventures in Sosua.

I will spend the month of February in Cabarete. Last year I was in Sosua and had a great time with many local girls. I know where to find chicas in Sosua, but I have no idea where to find the chicas in Cabarete. Any sugesitions? Names of bars or can I find them on the beach?

I have a nice condo on the west side of town right on the beach but can not entertain. Any suggestions for hotels that rent rooms by the hour or a hotel that is inexpensive and chica friendly?

Day 3.

Its Saturday. Drove around Sosua during the day, didn't really see much on the road. Came back to my room and slept till around 8 pm.

When to Rocky's for a burger and to watch the girls go by. When to Rumba's restaurant for some wings and to chat to some guys for a few hours.

It's now 11 pm pull car onto the corner where Classico is. Sat in car looking at the girls go by. Found most chica come between 12 pm or 1 am. Classico is not what it use to be a few years back. Saturday night in my opinion had less chicas then Friday nigh. Club was I guest was full but not that full there were holes in the crowd so not as full as before. Did find anything I wanted at Classico. Talked to several chicas had fun playing games with them. I love to lie to woman and you should with these hardcore ones. I tell so many lies to pump them about me they some where begin to come to my room. Had a very good looking one that wanted 1500 dop for everything I wanted but I say no. At the time I thought see was a hardcore chica.

Left Classico and went to the club across the street. Met a chica how looked like she was normal. Meaning no big nails, hair or cell phone. She was from San Francisco de Macoris with no kids. She spoke very little english. She bought me the first drink. We discussed 2000 dop for all night. When we got back to the room found out this is the first time she ever done something like this. She is was very nervous. She wanted to give me a blowjob with a condom. I should of figured this out because she went to take a show and I did not hear the shower water going only the sink. This means she didn't know how to use it. I immediately kicked her out of my room and dropped her to her place with no money. Hated to do it to this girl she was really nice, but really did not want to waste my time showing how to be a puta.

Its now 4:30 am Sunday morning. After dropping her off was kind of mad because things did not work out. Saw the chica I was talking to before at Classico about to get on a motto to go home. Now we agree for 1000 dop and she will stay till 2 pm. Come back to the room. Ended up finding out she is new to the game, less than 1 month. She came to Sosua for the gringo's that will come for Superbowl. Service was great multiple cum shots for me and her. Now this was new for me, next day we get into the car to bring her home, this is the time I pay the chicas. Told the money and see said no. Told me she enjoyed my company and she wants to go on a date with me. I said yes and took her phone number. Funny thing is I spent the next 1 HR trying to figure out her game. It maybe me and the fact that over these years I have learnt not to trust anyone down here. I will let you know how the date goes in a few days.

Something to note. I try to stay away from the hardcore chica. Because I have seen them being trained by some of the other veterans chicas which sometimes tell them thing that I'm like if you did that with me you would be out. They train them to play games in your room so they don't do much when there. I was very surprised in the fact that the one I first said no to ended up being a good time. I think we maybe able to build some type of friendship. While the chica I first went with was too new to the game, therefore didn't know what to do. In my option you want to get someone new but no too new.

Being new to the scene can be a problem but it depends on the girl. I am attracted to the girls who appear fresh to the scene. Some new girls have rules that might be contrary to your desires. I use toys and oils and assume they will be no problem. It can be ackward working with new girls.

My first Dominican girl is in Sosua. When I first met her she was in Punta Cana working out of Steves Bar 4 years ago. She is one of the best fucks I have ever had. She has lived in SD for the last 3 years. I have had my best 3 somes with her. Saw her on facebook and scheduled a 3 some with her. She is smoking hot and a beast in bed. She gives a porn star quality performance. She starts every session by masturbating. Hooot. I will be on the ground in early March. 5 weeks away. This should be a great way to start my vacation. I want this to be my first session to get things started with a serious bang.

My hot girl.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1674249]Being new to the scene can be a problem but it depends on the girl. I am attracted to the girls who appear fresh to the scene. Some new girls have rules that might be contrary to your desires. I use toys and oils and assume they will be no problem. It can be ackward working with new girls.

My first Dominican girl is in Sosua. When I first met her she was in Punta Cana working out of Steves Bar 4 years ago. She is one of the best fucks I have ever had. She has lived in SD for the last 3 years. I have had my best 3 somes with her. Saw her on facebook and scheduled a 3 some with her. She is smoking hot and a beast in bed. She gives a porn star quality performance. She starts every session by masturbating. Hooot. I will be on the ground in early March. 5 weeks away. This should be a great way to start my vacation. I want this to be my first session to get things started with a serious bang.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674215]Day 3.


Left Classico and went to the club across the street. Met a chica how looked like she was normal. Meaning no big nails, hair or cell phone. She was from San Francisco de Macoris with no kids. She spoke very little english. She bought me the first drink. We discussed 2000 dop for all night. When we got back to the room found out this is the first time she ever done something like this. She is was very nervous. She wanted to give me a blowjob with a condom. I should of figured this out because she went to take a show and I did not hear the shower water going only the sink. This means she didn't know how to use it. I immediately kicked her out of my room and dropped her to her place with no money. Hated to do it to this girl she was really nice, but really did not want to waste my time showing how to be a puta.
[/QUOTE]You had a fresh fish. You were looking for fresh fish. Then you complain your fish is too fresh LOL. So she didn't know how to use a shower. She was ready to do the task. Did you explain to her you wanted BBBJ. I can understand if you explained it to her and she didn't want to provide. You wasted her time and couldn't even offer her 50 peso for a ride back? You said she was nice not trying to run game on you. Its your money and you know what you want but dam! We wonder why some of these puta get so heartless. I am enjoying your reports keep it coming.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674215]Day 3.


Left Classico and went to the club across the street.[/QUOTE]Ikonic my boys are there now and they say this is the new After 1 spot. In your opinion what is it working with? Can you remember the name cause they couldn't.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1674271]Ikonic my boys are there now and they say this is the new After 1 spot. In your opinion what is it working with? Can you remember the name cause they couldn't.[/QUOTE]Winners circle is across from Classicos but the old "Club X" is next to it. I've heard Club X was re-opening. It is one of the nicer spots in Sosua with VIP and pool tables.

I agree with your comment below about the guy missing the chance with a newbie. He saw all the signs and proceeded to ruin her. I probably would have spent the next two days with her breaking her in proper. The thing is that she probably won't last long as an independent in Sosua. Some Dominican will dog her out or the SD girls will run her away. The street girls in Sosua usually have a crew nearby that they are affiliated with.

[QUOTE=Cosmos1;1674127]I will spend the month of February in Cabarete. Last year I was in Sosua and had a great time with many local girls. I know where to find chicas in Sosua, but I have no idea where to find the chicas in Cabarete. Any sugesitions? Names of bars or can I find them on the beach?

I have a nice condo on the west side of town right on the beach but can not entertain. Any suggestions for hotels that rent rooms by the hour or a hotel that is inexpensive and chica friendly?[/QUOTE]Cosmo1,

There is no as much P4P action in Cabarete as in Sosua (Batey and Pedro Clisante area). But if you like to do some chica hunting like me, Cabarete should be fine for you. The girls usually congregate in the long beach strip of Cabarete beach which has many beautiful outdoor restaurants, bars and discos. Most girls start arriving after 10 pm and the best time is midnight to 230 am when everybody is getting drunk. At 3 am, they close the bars and clubs, but is usually when the crowd is the biggest and the craziest and most people are drunk or getting there. There are a couple of places where many free lancers go. The free lancers are not as obvious as in Sosua, but some are. In Cabarete just by walking down the beach strip you will see which are the best bar and clubs as soon as you see the crowd of people and the music they play. Just take your pick. Go to Ojo Club located on the strip [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB7UZ-KY0zE[/URL] and check it out. Also check Onnos bar [URL]http://www.onnosbar.com/cabarete/[/URL]# and next to Onnos there is Bambu Lounge Bar [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HOS_UiLrQ.[/URL] There is also Arriba Bar and Billiard. This one is located in the avenida principal accross from Bambu, but this is a more local place than touristic. There is a bar / disco on the strip that usually plays Latin music and was always full of free lancers and was my favorite, but I forgot the name. All I remember it is that it was located in between a mojito bar and another bar / disco that play excellent DJ music. I tended to alternate between the two places and got my picks there.

As for girl friendly accommodations, I recommend the San Souci aparta hotel [URL]http://sanssoucicabarete.com/.[/URL] Very nice beds, quiet, safe, and clean with air conditioner. There is a big supermarket (Janet) 3 minutes walk. From San Souci you can walk from the beach 5 minutes to the strip of restaurant and bars. SanSouci is super affordable or $30-40 dollars a night and you could get a nice beach front studio or bigger apartment for that price. For $40-50 you could get a one bedroom facing the beach. There is no problem with bringing a girl. When picking a girl from a beach bar / disco, you may have to take a motoconcho with the girl to the place as most girls in their high heels don't like to walk on the beach specially at night time. The girls are use to taking motoconchos as this is how most get to and leave Cabarete. In the San Souci, they don't even ask for I'd when you bring then in because there is no person checking in. There is onlya security at night and the afternoon watching the place and no reception area late at night. There is a also a bar nearby with some high end girls to take out only and is walking distance to the San Souci. The girls are expensive or about $150 for two hours if I can remember. I forgot the exact location but is on the same street of Janet Supermarket going down towards the beach. Hope you have fun in Cabarete.

Cerebro

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1674267]You had a fresh fish. You were looking for fresh fish. Then you complain your fish is too fresh LOL. So she didn't know how to use a shower. She was ready to do the task. Did you explain to her you wanted BBBJ. I can understand if you explained it to her and she didn't want to provide. You wasted her time and couldn't even offer her 50 peso for a ride back? You said she was nice not trying to run game on you. Its your money and you know what you want but dam! We wonder why some of these puta get so heartless. I am enjoying your reports keep it coming.[/QUOTE]Agree with Grownman1 here. A first timer chica should not have been treated the way Ikonic treated her. Ikonic you could have shown that poor fresh fish / girl the ropes just by doing some explaining or just allowing the girl to relax and not treating her like a piece of shit for not knowing the trade yet. There is always a first time for everyone and mongers should not be so heartless with the new putas.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1674267]You had a fresh fish. You were looking for fresh fish. Then you complain your fish is too fresh LOL. So she didn't know how to use a shower. She was ready to do the task. Did you explain to her you wanted BBBJ. I can understand if you explained it to her and she didn't want to provide. You wasted her time and couldn't even offer her 50 peso for a ride back? You said she was nice not trying to run game on you. Its your money and you know what you want but dam! We wonder why some of these puta get so heartless. I am enjoying your reports keep it coming.[/QUOTE]LOL I laughed when I was writing knowing it contradicts. I was trying to show that you can't judge a book by it's fresh new cover. I found a vet putta that ended up satisfying me. Personally I don't normally ask if she does BBBJ. I know others on this board do, but I find it kills the mood. I like to ask more questions like: what do you like sexually? What about a man turns you on? Those kinds of things. I kind of expect BBBJ, even back home woman I f*k do BBBJ no question. Most all girls I found in DR have done it without me asking. But admit have had less than 5 say no.

I think you understand why I was looking for something fresh. I did not included in the report that I bought her 2 drinks in the club, and also food before we came to the room. Thought after all the talking we did we had a good chemistry, but I guest not sexually. I also always drop my chicas home if they are in Sosua, I do have a rental car. I was not disrespectful to her. I explained at the time in bed to her, sexually we don't seem compatible and I need BBBJ and I love it.

In this situation I was looking for a girl (18 - 22) with no kids no big hair, dress, nails, shoes or phone that look shy and are staying to themselves. Not trying to talk to all the gringos and does not look like she has any male Dominican friends in town ie all the beggars on the strip. They must have potential in the looks department, but does not have the cloths to match. To me they seem like they are at a turning point in life they are either working or going to school.

Note.

Every chica I have taken and things have not worked out in the room for any number of reason, I have always treated them like a lady. There is no need to call her names, or be really disrespectful. I think you should be nice but not to nice, if you know what I mean, you still have to lay down the law, they look at kindness as a weakness in DR. If I didn't buy her drinks or food before we got to the room and talk to her making jokes. I would have had to give her something like 100 - 500 dop.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1674271]Ikonic my boys are there now and they say this is the new After 1 spot. In your opinion what is it working with? Can you remember the name cause they couldn't.[/QUOTE]I think the name is Club X.

It plays mostly Dominican music. Club seems to cater to Dominicans. No smoking inside. Bottle of henny 4000 dop compared to Clasicco 5000 dop. I have never stayed to the end of Clasicco or after one times anymore. Most of the girls are at Clasicco. I personally thought I had a better chance of meeting a newbie there than Clasicco, if you look, but is not proven I'm working on that. Not a lot of hot girls there. Waiter from closed D'Latino, that was the reason I first when in there. Half the size of Clasicco inside.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1674267]You had a fresh fish. You were looking for fresh fish. Then you complain your fish is too fresh LOL. So she didn't know how to use a shower. She was ready to do the task. Did you explain to her you wanted BBBJ. I can understand if you explained it to her and she didn't want to provide. You wasted her time and couldn't even offer her 50 peso for a ride back? You said she was nice not trying to run game on you. Its your money and you know what you want but dam! We wonder why some of these puta get so heartless. I am enjoying your reports keep it coming.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you have to just reverse things on these Chicas and give them something un-expected. If she was hot and clean and he went down on her instead of insisting on a BBBJ and he may have ended up with it after all and perhaps a wild session.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674332] Personally I don't normally ask if she does BBBJ. I know others on this board do, but I find it kills the mood. I like to ask more questions like: what do you like sexually? What about a man turns you on? Those kinds of things. I kind of expect BBBJ, even back home woman I f*k do BBBJ no question. Most all girls I found in DR have done it without me asking. But admit have had less than 5 say no.

I think you understand why I was looking for something fresh. I did not included in the report that I bought her 2 drinks in the club, and also food before we came to the room. Thought after all the talking we did we had a good chemistry, but I guest not sexually. I also always drop my chicas home if they are in Sosua, I do have a rental car. I was not disrespectful to her. I explained at the time in bed to her, sexually we don't seem compatible and I need BBBJ and I love it.

In this situation I was looking for a girl (18 - 22) with no kids no big hair, dress, nails, shoes or phone that look shy and are staying to themselves. Not trying to talk to all the gringos and does not look like she has any male Dominican friends in town ie all the beggars on the strip. They must have potential in the looks department, but does not have the cloths to match. To me they seem like they are at a turning point in life they are either working or going to school.

If I didn't buy her drinks or food before we got to the room and talk to her making jokes. I would have had to give her something like 100 - 500 dop.[/QUOTE]I agree I don't ask BBBJ either I kind of expected it. Yes I too understand why you were looking for those type of chicas ie a girl (18 - 22) with no kids no big hair, dress, nails, shoes or phone that look shy and are staying to themselves. I call these chicas RAW. Those are some of my MOs in looking for new recruits. I like them hungry. If I had bought her 2 drinks and food yes it would have been a wrap, no sex no more invested money. You had a lock on things and you played the game like a violin. Goodjob!

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674332] I was looking for a girl (18 - 22) with no kids no big hair, dress, nails, shoes or phone that look shy and are staying to themselves. Not trying to talk to all the gringos and does not look like she has any male Dominican friends in town ie all the beggars on the strip. They must have potential in the looks department, but does not have the cloths to match. To me they seem like they are at a turning point in life they are either working or going to school.[/QUOTE]If you don't want hard core putas, why are you in the hard core puta capital of the country? Why don't you just go to Santo Domingo, or at least; Cabarete? By the way, with the money you are saving by kicking out girls from your room without pay, you could give Jackson his $19.95 and be a member of the forum.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1674419]Sometimes you have to just reverse things on these Chicas and give them something un-expected. If she was hot and clean and he went down on her instead of insisting on a BBBJ and he may have ended up with it after all and perhaps a wild session.[/QUOTE]Surfer how many times I am going to have to tell you. Stop going down on every DUDE meet! Those guys talk!

I find that Sosua attracts all kind of girls. Most are having a hard time making ends meet and quick cash in Sosua is an answer. They can make in a week what it would take a month in a normal job. The hard core girls are the full time chicas. Selling sex is their full time occupation. They have experienced everything street life has to offer. They are hard because it is necessary to survive. They are the leche popi girls who are putting on their panties as soon as you pop. They are perfect for the weekend warriors who want numbers. If you spend 10 minutes talking to a pro you kno what they are. They promise the world and rarely deliver. Nevertheless there are pros who will rock your world. You have to have some chemistry with any girl you hook up with hardcore or fresh. On my last trip my best experience was with a non pro I have none for 3 years. I was comfortable DFK and DTTY which are not always possible with hardcore girls. I will say this if a hardcore girl likes you they can rock your world. The problem is getting them to want to please you. Haitian girls seem to have better work ethics. They seem to put effort that DR chica sometimes don't.

[QUOTE=David_33;1674480]If you don't want hard core putas, why are you in the hard core puta capital of the country? Why don't you just go to Santo Domingo, or at least; Cabarete? By the way, with the money you are saving by kicking out girls from your room without pay, you could give Jackson his $19.95 and be a member of the forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=David_33;1674480]If you don't want hard core putas, why are you in the hard core puta capital of the country? Why don't you just go to Santo Domingo, or at least; Cabarete? By the way, with the money you are saving by kicking out girls from your room without pay, you could give Jackson his $19.95 and be a member of the forum.[/QUOTE]When I first signed up for the site 4 years ago I paid the $20. Take what you want from my report. I admit I am a nobody on this forum. I have taken info from this board before and now I'm giving back for free. I really don't need to sit in my room on vacation writing this. I just wanted to help, if you guys don't want me to write anymore I won't. Its as simple as that. Let me know.

I know I'm at the point that your right Sosua may not be the absolute best place for me in DR. My Spanish level is holding me back. I have had tones of girls tell me. If I only knew Spanish better she could fall in love with. (from what I understand).

Again I repeat I don't believe in being aggressive with any chica, unless they ask me to in bed LOL. She left my room with no disturbance and happy. Her belly was full she had a nice shower and I never made her feel like a puta. Real talk, no chica wants to fell like a HOE. When I dropped she asked me if she could give me her cell number. It's really about the guys attitude in these situations as I tried to explain before.

Example:

A guy sits in Rumba with a chica for 2 hrs. Buys her no drinks and feeling her ass up and breast letting her grind up on him. He sees an even hotter girl and calls her over and then decides to go with the other chica. Now the first chica will be mad you felt her up wasting 2 hrs of her time, and now she gets nothing. She will be like hell no. She will tell you, give me something for my time. I see most guys say no and a big fight breaks out with the chica. Guys you can't do that, you have to give her something.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674543] My Spanish level is holding me back. I have had tones of girls tell me. [/QUOTE]Your Spanish is holding you back and your English is not?

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1674315]Cosmo1,

There is no as much P4P action in Cabarete as in Sosua (Batey and Pedro Clisante area). But if you like to do some chica hunting like me, Cabarete should be fine for you. The girls usually congregate in the long beach strip of Cabarete beach which has many beautiful outdoor restaurants, bars and discos. Most girls start arriving after 10 pm and the best time is midnight to 230 am when everybody is getting drunk. At 3 am, they close the bars and clubs, but is usually when the crowd is the biggest and the craziest and most people are drunk or getting there. There are a couple of places where many free lancers go. The free lancers are not as obvious as in Sosua, but some are. In Cabarete just by walking down the beach strip you will see which are the best bar and clubs as soon as you see the crowd of people and the music they play. Just take your pick. Go to Ojo Club located on the strip [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB7UZ-KY0zE[/URL] and check it out. Also check Onnos bar [URL]http://www.onnosbar.com/cabarete/[/URL]# and next to Onnos there is Bambu Lounge Bar [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85HOS_UiLrQ.[/URL] There is also Arriba Bar and Billiard. This one is located in the avenida principal accross from Bambu, but this is a more local place than touristic. There is a bar / disco on the strip that usually plays Latin music and was always full of free lancers and was my favorite, but I forgot the name. All I remember it is that it was located in between a mojito bar and another bar / disco that play excellent DJ music. I tended to alternate between the two places and got my picks there...[/QUOTE]Thank you for the information. Now I'm ready for Cabarete.

Sometimes you have to bypass criticism or have a sense of humor here. Keep those reports coming player and much respect for giving back!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1674476]Surfer how many times I am going to have to tell you. Stop going down on every DUDE meet! Those guys talk![/QUOTE]What is a Chica anyways!

[QUOTE=David_33;1674480]If you don't want hard core putas, why are you in the hard core puta capital of the country? Why don't you just go to Santo Domingo, or at least; Cabarete? [/QUOTE]Some people have an odious attitude towards "putas" while cultivating them at the same time; they denigrate them verbally (in their comical English), find fault for all sorts of reasons and by doing so, derive some pleasure, apparently. This "higher than a poor third world puta" puts them on a higher pedestal I presume!

[QUOTE=Cosmos1;1674635]Thank you for the information. Now I'm ready for Cabarete.[/QUOTE]Cosmos1,

I wish I could remember the name of that bar / club which I frequented that gets many freelancers. Maybe this will help you find it, the Cosita del Mojito Bar is next to it [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ip5xpAG1U[/URL] or [URL]http://lacositadelmojito.com/.[/URL] If you find the bar, you will notice that they play a lot of Latin music and it has a small bartender area where you could sit and drink and a small dance / disco floor inside and has sofas on the back. Many freelance chicas (Dominicans and Haitians) like that bar because it has pretty cheap drinks (Cuba libres they like to drink) and the music is not that bad and often there is DJ, also is very dark on the back seating area. I bought drinks to a few chicas that I liked or that approached me and also used then to practice bachata dance as they play lots of bachata music as well as reggaeton. I used to hang out there and buy mojitos there before 10 pm cause they were super cheap or haft price and I picked up a couple of chicas there and took them to the San Souci place via motoconcho. There is another bar next to it that gets more crowded and has pretty good music a party atmosphere mixed with locals and tourists, but I did not see as many free lancers as in the bar where the Latin music was played. There is also a restaurant next to it with great fish and churrasco in case you like that at a pretty good price. I loved that Churrasco. Also, keep in mind that when you walk through the strip by 9 pm-10 pm, you may get disappointed because it may be empty at the time, but then you come back after an hour or at midnight and then all of the sudden is crowded and crazy with tourist, locals, and chicas all getting drunk and looking to have fun. Have fun,

Cerebro

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674543]When I first signed up for the site 4 years ago I paid the $20. Take what you want from my report. I admit I am a nobody on this forum. I have taken info from this board before and now I'm giving back for free. I really don't need to sit in my room on vacation writing this. I just wanted to help, if you guys don't want me to write anymore I won't. Its as simple as that. Let me know.

I know I'm at the point that your right Sosua may not be the absolute best place for me in DR. My Spanish level is holding me back. I have had tones of girls tell me. If I only knew Spanish better she could fall in love with. (from what I understand).

Again I repeat I don't believe in being aggressive with any chica, unless they ask me to in bed LOL. She left my room with no disturbance and happy. Her belly was full she had a nice shower and I never made her feel like a puta. Real talk, no chica wants to fell like a HOE. When I dropped she asked me if she could give me her cell number.[/QUOTE]Ikonic,

Don't get discouraged from posting more. We are a bunch of opinionated mongers and mean no harm. In your first post you also made it seen that you really mistreated the first timer Puta and had no regards at all for her lack of experience. In any case, your contribution and sharing your experience is valuable and keep on posting. Now from reading your post I would like to find a first timer puta. The closest I got to a first timer is a 19 year old with two months on the trade. Sometimes is nice to meet someone with not so much mileage and some innocence.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1674717]Ikonic,

Don't get discouraged from posting more. We are a bunch of opinionated mongers and mean no harm. In your first post you also made it seen that you really mistreated the first timer Puta and had no regards at all for her lack of experience. In any case, your contribution and sharing your experience is valuable and keep on posting. Now from reading your post I would like to find a first timer puta. The closest I got to a first timer is a 19 year old with two months on the trade. Sometimes is nice to meet someone with not so much mileage and some innocence.[/QUOTE]Your a bad man just wanting to de-flower a virgin Puta!

And yes the posts as of lately have been a bit rough and hopefully won't discourage the new posters.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674215]Day 3.

She bought me the first drink. We discussed 2000 dop for all night. When we got back to the room found out this is the first time she ever done something like this. She is was very nervous. She wanted to give me a blowjob with a condom. I should of figured this out because she went to take a show and I did not hear the shower water going only the sink. This means she didn't know how to use it. I immediately kicked her out of my room and dropped her to her place with no money. Hated to do it to this girl she was really nice, but really did not want to waste my time showing how to be a puta.[/QUOTE]It could just have meant that she didn't want to get her hair wet in the shower--especially if she had expensive extensions. A lot of these girls are used to just bathing with a bucket and seem to be able to maintain pretty good personal hygiene.

The way you have written this it sounds a bit brutal, that as soon as you decided she did not know how to use the shower, you "kicked her out" of your room. Especially because in your later response you said that she "had a nice shower".

I would have thought it would be a lot of fun teaching a newbie "how to be a puta", but of course we are all different, and perhaps to some people it would be a chore like cleaning out the cat litter, not to mention a waste of their valuable time.

Sometimes posters find it hard to find the words to say what they really mean or describe exactly what happened, and perhaps this is one of the cases in which language difficulties make it hard to clearly explain what really happened.

Anyway you report is appreciated and gives a valuable insight into one man's perceptions of the Sosua vacation experience. It takes courage to travel to a place where you don't speak the language and immerse yourself in the local goings-on.

I agree with other posters that if you are going to make a habit of this kind of thing, it would probably pay to learn some Spanish. I was over 50 when I started to learn Spanish, and was pretty fluent within a couple of years just from listening to CDS in my car and conversational practice on the ground without really looking at a book, so it is never too late.

I really don't know about you guys on this board. I fell personally attacked. Don't understand why. Tried to explain that I don't agree with treating girls like Ho's. But just like most woman the men on this board focused on the negative, rather than reading everything I wrote. Guys you don't know me I don't know you. You have know idea of what my life has been. I don't enjoy feeling superior to anyone. I account my success in Sosua due do to the fact that I don't make the woman feel like a puta.

I personally don't enjoy taking the away innocence from girls. I'm a scumbag and so are most guys on this board. For me it didn't feel right doing this to this girl. I guess you guys want me to talk about my emotions. Well this board is not my therapy.

For me I don't want to hardcore fuck girls. I don't want to bang the sh*t out for them. I prefer a little romance and love making. Slow grinding. I want them to want me, so they start sex all day long away where we are and at any time.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1674944]Your a bad man just wanting to de-flower a virgin Puta!

And yes the posts as of lately have been a bit rough and hopefully won't discourage the new posters.[/QUOTE]Surfer500,

I think you are right. I'm a bad man. Just the thought of meeting a virgin puta turns me on. While the other member only could think on getting her out, I would probably have kept her for a week and provide her with the support she needed (my dick) a few lessons and some pesos to help her become a great puta. How difficult could it be to teach a virgin puta to open her leg wide, BBJ, bending over, etc?

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674543]Example:

A guy sits in Rumba with a chica for 2 hrs. Buys her no drinks and feeling her ass up and breast letting her grind up on him. He sees an even hotter girl and calls her over and then decides to go with the other chica. Now the first chica will be mad you felt her up wasting 2 hrs of her time, and now she gets nothing. She will be like hell no. She will tell you, give me something for my time. I see most guys say no and a big fight breaks out with the chica. Guys you can't do that, you have to give her something.[/QUOTE]I see that all the time and I have discussed it here. Some feel that the chica is owed nothing unless and until a deal is struck, and have given me shit here for taking her side.

In one case a monger reported having 3 contacts over two or three days, before sending her away. He wondered why she was pissed and was "losing interest".

To me it's just bad manners, if I can use that expression in a mongering context, lack of consideration.

If the puta comes up uninvited and sits beside you, you owe her nothing, but if you invite her to join you, or ask her meet you later, you have, in her mind, set that meter ticking.

There's no rule that says you owe her anything, but don't complain if she goes away with "a bad attitude".

Bad attitude begets bad attitude, the putas get hard and everybody loses.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674966]I really don't know about you guys on this board. I fell personally attacked. Don't understand why. Tried to explain that I don't agree with treating girls like Ho's. But just like most woman the men on this board focused on the negative, rather than reading everything I wrote. Guys you don't know me I don't know you. You have know idea of what my life has been. I don't enjoy feeling superior to anyone. I account my success in Sosua due do to the fact that I don't make the woman feel like a puta.

I personally don't enjoy taking the away innocence from girls. I'm a scumbag and so are most guys on this board. For me it didn't feel right doing this to this girl. I guess you guys want me to talk about my emotions. Well this board is not my therapy.

For me I don't want to hardcore fuck girls. I don't want to bang the sh*t out for them. I prefer a little romance and love making. Slow grinding. I want them to want me, so they start sex all day long away where we are and at any time.[/QUOTE]Your not the only one on this board who has felt personally attacked by others.

But really most of the responses to your posts have been very light weight with some constructive criticism and somewhat tongue in cheek in nature. You need to have thick skin here at times and a sense of humor.

Based on what your wrote you sound more like a Saint versus a Scumbag in how you want to treat these women.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674966]I really don't know about you guys on this board. I fell personally attacked. Don't understand why. Tried to explain that I don't agree with treating girls like Ho's. But just like most woman the men on this board focused on the negative, rather than reading everything I wrote.[/QUOTE]How long you been on this board for? One week? LOL if you spent anytime reading this board you waould already know its like swimming with the sharks in here LOL.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1675249]How long you been on this board for? One week? LOL if you spent anytime reading this board you would already know its like swimming with the sharks in here LOL.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the Gauntlet one and all!

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1675045]Surfer500,

I think you are right. I'm a bad man. Just the thought of meeting a virgin puta turns me on. While the other member only could think on getting her out, I would probably have kept her for a week and provide her with the support she needed (my dick) a few lessons and some pesos to help her become a great puta. How difficult could it be to teach a virgin puta to open her leg wide, BBJ, bending over, etc?[/QUOTE]You and about 80 % of the members of this board would like to get their paws on a virgin Puta!

I would had a field day with the one Iconic let go.

Just had my first day in Sosua.

I arrived on Caribe tours bus from SD, took about 5 hours, a pleasant enough trip.

Had a couple of hours walk around orientation tour and got my first taste of Haiti with a cute, curvy little 20 yo chica named Bianca that I found on the street opposite Rumba about 8 pm.

Cute eyes and smile and the best rock solid round ass I can remember getting my hands on. Would have been nice if she was a bit more relaxed but willing enough with BBBJ cock and balls. I didn't ask for CIM, I was in too much of a hurry to get that ass up in the air.

I'm around for about 10 days so will try to keep the reports coming but it's labor intensive for a one finger text is doing this on my phone.

I have pics but the "choose file" button doesn't seem to work for me. Also they might be too big, about 3-4 my each. I'll glad I take tips on how to share them.

I forgot to mention, she asked for 2500, I hungrily agreed to 2000, did I overpay?

[QUOTE=ThreeHoles;1675444]I forgot to mention, she asked for 2500, I hungrily agreed to 2000, did I overpay?[/QUOTE]As for overpaying question it depends on how long you were with the girl, TLN, 2 hours, or 3-4? Also, was she a solid 8-9-10? In Sosua 2000 is probably good for a a solid good looking Dominican and for a couple of hours. I thought the Haitian girls were charging much less than the Dominicans being that many were illegal and those had no ID to verify the age and because of their competition with the more solicited Dominicans tends to lower their prices. I could be wrong thought. For what you described as a curvy, 20, cute, a nice solid round ass, 2000 seem to me like a good deal, but again it depends on current supply and demand factors. Perhaps other more experience mongers could provide more info.

Good luck and Keep on posting.

[QUOTE=ThreeHoles;1675444]I forgot to mention, she asked for 2500, I hungrily agreed to 2000, did I overpay?[/QUOTE]2000 for all night is good. If you mean 2000 for short time then fuck that shit! Take your ass to a German FKK for worldwide top notch model-type chicks if you are going to spend like that.

[QUOTE=ThreeHoles;1675444]I forgot to mention, she asked for 2500, I hungrily agreed to 2000, did I overpay?[/QUOTE]That's a deceptively hard question to andwer. If the session was not good, then anything you paid was "too much".

A better question would be "did I pay above scale?" or "what's the going rate?

I've negotiated these rates for ST and they seem average:

500 for a 6-7, She's hungry, daytime, slow business.

1000 for a 6-8. Daytime, slow business.

1500 for a 6-8. Evening, normal business.

2000 for a 7-8. Evening, normal business.

2500 for a 7-9. Evening, weekends.

3000 for a 8-10. Evening, weekends.

3500 for a 10. Weekends, busy night (we're talking J-Lo, Beyonc, the young version, here).

With the usual disclaimer, YMMV.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1675589]2000 for all night is good. If you mean 2000 for short time then fuck that shit! Take your ass to a German FKK for worldwide top notch model-type chicks if you are going to spend like that.[/QUOTE]For the record:

(a) From center of Frankfurt to FKK and back by taxi depends on FKK but more or less..... 80 Euros.

(b) Entry to FKK.......... .. 70 Euros.

(c) One hour with chica (many Dominicans in FKK as well). ..100 Euros.

Total............. .. 250 Euros.

US $282 for one chica.

Sosua. 1 hour with chica 2000 pesos total US $44.00.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1675741]That's a deceptively hard question to andwer. If the session was not good, then anything you paid was "too much".

A better question would be "did I pay above scale?" or "what's the going rate?

I've negotiated these rates for ST and they seem average:

500 for a 6-7, She's hungry, daytime, slow business.

1000 for a 6-8. Daytime, slow business.

1500 for a 6-8. Evening, normal business.

2000 for a 7-8. Evening, normal business.

2500 for a 7-9. Evening, weekends.

3000 for a 8-10. Evening, weekends.

3500 for a 10. Weekends, busy night (we're talking J-Lo, Beyonc, the young version, here).

With the usual disclaimer, YMMV.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Pretty much nails all over DR save for Casa Rates witch will vary using standards of 1,500,2,500 & 3,500; Buyer beware.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1675741]That's a deceptively hard question to andwer. If the session was not good, then anything you paid was "too much".

A better question would be "did I pay above scale?" or "what's the going rate?

I've negotiated these rates for ST and they seem average:

500 for a 6-7, She's hungry, daytime, slow business.

1000 for a 6-8. Daytime, slow business.

1500 for a 6-8. Evening, normal business.

2000 for a 7-8. Evening, normal business.

2500 for a 7-9. Evening, weekends.

3000 for a 8-10. Evening, weekends.

3500 for a 10. Weekends, busy night (we're talking J-Lo, Beyonc, the young version, here).

With the usual disclaimer, YMMV.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]You left off some pay scales here. How about the "skanks" in the 3-5 range!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1675741]That's a deceptively hard question to andwer. If the session was not good, then anything you paid was "too much".

A better question would be "did I pay above scale?" or "what's the going rate?

I've negotiated these rates for ST and they seem average:

500 for a 6-7, She's hungry, daytime, slow business.

1000 for a 6-8. Daytime, slow business.

1500 for a 6-8. Evening, normal business.

2000 for a 7-8. Evening, normal business.

2500 for a 7-9. Evening, weekends.

3000 for a 8-10. Evening, weekends.

3500 for a 10. Weekends, busy night (we're talking J-Lo, Beyonc, the young, here).

With the usual disclaimer, YMMV.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]As long as I have been in the DR I've never met a 500 peso chica. I have chica offer sex for free. But never 500 pesos but I am sure they are out there. If you pay between 1500 pesos and 2500 pesos for short tern you doing average for a newbie. 2000 pesos to 3000 pesos is average for a newbie. When your skill develops you will save more.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674332]I also always drop my chicas home if they are in Sosua, I do have a rental car. I was not disrespectful to her. I explained at the time in bed to her, sexually we don't seem compatible and I need BBBJ and I love it.

[/QUOTE]You kinda made yourself a target when you posted initially, that you immediatetly "kicked her out". I figured you might be exaggerating somewhat, and didn't mean it the way you posted it. Haven't you figured out yet what wording like that does in shark infested message board waters? Here? Just say you explained to her you and her werent compatible. Don't say you immediately kicked her out? That may not stop you from being heavily criticized for not following through, but it may be less severe.

Apparently there is a belief among some, that they get turned off or think the mood will be destroyed by asking a chica if she does BBBJ or not. IMO that's a minor concern. I'd be more turned off and/or the mood shot to shit, knowing I wasted my time and money bringing a chica to my spot, get her undressed and finding out right then, no BBBJ ( or some other service I expected ) is going to happen. Getting things straight beforehand, there is no built up anticipation. Gives a dude some leverage if a chica flakes on you. If it's yes to BBBJ, cool. A dude can get a drink for the road, especially if it will help him get over the shock of having to ask a pfp chica about her BJ service.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1675787]As long as I have been in the DR I've never met a 500 peso chica. I have chica offer sex for free. But never 500 pesos but I am sure they are out there. If you pay between 1500 pesos and 2500 pesos for short tern you doing average for a newbie. 2000 pesos to 3000 pesos is average for a newbie. When your skill develops you will save more.[/QUOTE]There are 500 Peso "Chupa" girls in Sosua.

I was offered a BJ from a Chica (not a dude}on the Strip for 500 Pesos in the park one night on a previous trip. I passed because with my luck something might of gone wrong and I wouldn't want to get caught with my pants down in public in the DR.

Thanks Oakie and Cerebro, that's helpful stuff, you too Mr E for your charm.

I did better last night but the market forces were different, it was pissing with rain and I was one of a few stupid enough to be out there.

Another Haitian, probably about a 6-8 IMO. Agreed to 1500 for 2 hours, sex was ok but she was too flaky for me so I sent her off after an hour. Plus she's just had a new boob job so it's hands off for a while.

So far I haven't had any problems getting my junk a full BB mouth massage, to get things started.

I'm looking forward to honing my skills on upping the quality while reducing the donations. All tips appreciated, even smart ass ones.

[QUOTE=Ikonic;1674543]A guy sits in Rumba with a chica for 2 hrs. Buys her no drinks and feeling her ass up and breast letting her grind up on him. He sees an even hotter girl and calls her over and then decides to go with the other chica. Now the first chica will be mad you felt her up wasting 2 hrs of her time, and now she gets nothing. She will be like hell no. She will tell you, give me something for my time. I see most guys say no and a big fight breaks out with the chica. Guys you can't do that, you have to give her something. [/QUOTE]I have a tendency to empathize more with mongers / men moreso than women / chicas. But lets look at it this way? A chica voluntarily sits with a guy in Rumba. Nobody put a gun to her head. She allows a guy to feel her up. For 2 hours the dude hasnt bought her food or a drink. She hasnt negotiated anything, nor has there been a commitment made that he was taking her. Why does he owe her money? Why isn't he open and entitled to choose who he wants to go back to his spot with?

My point is, enough people have made it seem like the chicas are always right, and they have no responsibility when it comes to their own time being wasted hanging around dudes. Why are guys so hard on each other, and quick to tell a guy he wasted his time, but when it comes to women, treat women like they are children? That woman that sits for 2 hours with a guy (maybe he's watching the game) has just as much responsibility for making sure she doesn't waste her time on a dude.

I don't think dudes should be so quick to treat these women like children. Her job is to secure clients. If she allows a dude to feel up on her, she does that knowing full well that she is only providing a sample hoping that will lead to a client. Chicas have to be just as prepared for disappointment or failed outcomes as many mongers have had to endure, and all of the bullshit coming from chicas. Why should disappointment be one sided mostly in favor chicas. Further, if a dude is buying chicas food and drink all along, and the chica complains, let her know she was compensated for her time. Easier to do if you are still in the venue and not up in your spot / hotel.

Some of these chicas are like communication companies. Even if the service is poor, you want to change companies, or you just don't want the service anymore, they still penalize you for opting out. At all times treat them with respect, but it isn't necessary to assume one owes a chica money in every instance they waste their time on a dude.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1675744]For the record:

(a) From center of Frankfurt to FKK and back by taxi depends on FKK but more or less..... 80 Euros.

(b) Entry to FKK.......... .. 70 Euros.

(c) One hour with chica (many Dominicans in FKK as well). ..100 Euros.

Total............. .. 250 Euros.

US $282 for one chica.

Sosua. 1 hour with chica 2000 pesos total US $44.00.[/QUOTE]Hell. I could say taxi from Santo Domingo to Puerto Plata $200 (one way). And session with a chick at Cristal $100. Then it would be $300 for 1 chica in DR.

Buses and trains do exist in Germany. You can stay in an FKK all day and eat, drink, and be merry for the entrance fee. Not all FKKs are 100 euro for a girl.

IMHO random street chicas do not warrant $50 for short time. Your opinion may differ.

[QUOTE=ThreeHoles;1675444]I forgot to mention, she asked for 2500, I hungrily agreed to 2000, did I overpay?[/QUOTE]I'm on the ground since Tuesday night.

A lot of rain, but the vibe seems good. It's a pity the'Latins is closed, it Looks like a big dark hole in Pedro Clisante.

My first night I felt tired because of the flight. I met a 6-7 Haitian girl in Bar Central. Good massage, BBBJ and good fuck - 1.500 Pesos. Was OK for this night. Knowing that I have a lot more days here acts like a tranquilizer, I enjoy in peace.

Wednesday night I met a Dominican girl I know from 2 years ago. I offered her 1500 for ST, she wanted 2000ST and 3000 TLN. I was too lazy and too sex drunken so I didn't negotiate. Payed 2000ST: quite good sex but nothing outstanding.

P.S: My English is not perfect. I hope it's OK for you. I want to share my experiences because this board gave me a lot of good Information.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1675786]You left off some pay scales here. How about the "skanks" in the 3-5 range![/QUOTE]I was leaving that pay scale range to you! :)

I would give a chica some denaro if she spent a significant amount of time with me and I did not pull the trigger. This is p4 p and we all know it. For the ladies it is bread and butter for us just fun. While she was entertaining me she might have found a taker. I have no problem giving a small propina and who know the next night I may want a redo.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1675822]I have a tendency to empathize more with mongers / men moreso than women / chicas. But lets look at it this way? A chica voluntarily sits with a guy in Rumba. Nobody put a gun to her head. She allows a guy to feel her up. For 2 hours the dude hasnt bought her food or a drink. She hasnt negotiated anything, nor has there been a commitment made that he was taking her. Why does he owe her money? Why isn't he open and entitled to choose who he wants to go back to his spot with?

My point is, enough people have made it seem like the chicas are always right, and they have no responsibility when it comes to their own time being wasted hanging around dudes. Why are guys so hard on each other, and quick to tell a guy he wasted his time, but when it comes to women, treat women like they are children? That woman that sits for 2 hours with a guy (maybe he's watching the game) has just as much responsibility for making sure she doesn't waste her time on a dude.

I don't think dudes should be so quick to treat these women like children. Her job is to secure clients. If she allows a dude to feel up on her, she does that knowing full well that she is only providing a sample hoping that will lead to a client..[/QUOTE]Historically it has always been men who have paid for female company and not the other way around. Your interpretation is that time spent in a bar is equivalent to allowing her to make a sales presentation, with no obligation to buy, so there should be no penalty for taking up her time. This assumes that providing female company and touching to lonely men has no intrinsic monetary value. At different times and in different societies this may vary. You say tomayto, I say tomahto.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpU-mcgBJxE[/URL]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1675891]I would give a chica some denaro if she spent a significant amount of time with me and I did not pull the trigger. This is p4 p and we all know it. For the ladies it is bread and butter for us just fun. While she was entertaining me she might have found a taker. I have no problem giving a small propina and who know the next night I may want a redo.[/QUOTE]Understood and agreed. For me, unless I invite a chica to spend time with me, I wouldn't feel the need to give her money because she plopped down in a seat next to me and decided to waste her time. Now if I invite a chica, that may be another story. But even then that doesn't automatically result in a cash payment. I may provide food and drink which can substitute for cash. Either way I'm not obligated to choose her. Disappointment can happen for either party. Mongers don't have to be the only ones having to deal with it.

About a week ago a chica I know greeted me in Rumba, and asked if someone was sitting in the seat next to me. Asked if I minded her sitting there. For about 40 minutes she sat there. I talked to her, and continued conversing with the other guys I was already talking to. At the 30 minute mark, she asked me did I want a cerveza. I said no, and showed her my water.

Now, I didn't feel up on this chica, all I did talk with her as I was doing with the other guys. I didn't initiate her sitting with me. I know her asking me if I wanted a cerveza was her trying to sucker me into buying her drinks while she keeps her dinero in her purse. But I wasnt buying that. After 40 minutes does a dude still think he owes some chica some money just because she decided to waste her time on me instead of seeking work elsewhere. If that's the case every chica that plops her butt down for a significant amount of time is owed money. I don't go along with that.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1675895]Historically it has always been men who have paid for female company and not the other way around. Your interpretation is that time spent in a bar is equivalent to allowing her to make a sales presentation, with no obligation to buy, so there should be no penalty for taking up her time. This assumes that providing female company and touching to lonely men has no intrinsic monetary value. At different times and in different societies this may vary. You say tomayto, I say tomahto.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpU-mcgBJxE[/URL][/QUOTE]Wrong Frannie. 1st off if you want my interpretation its best to ask for it. Because you usually are offbase. Since when did I suggest time spent in a bar is the same as allowing a chica to make a sales presentation? 1st off how did the female get to spend time with a dude? Did he invite her? Did she invite herself? You left out an important distinction by leaving that detail out. Which leads to the next part in your assessment.

You assume the dude took up her time simply because shes there or in his company?. How can you be sure the dude took up the womans time, especially in cases where the woman invited herself, and the dude didn't invite the woman? Is it your belief some dude is taking up some chicas time that sits down next to him uninvited? If so, I see it differently. If chica sits down next or near me and I talk to her, I don't owe her jack. She may start flirting, touching my leg all she wants, but I did NOT take up that chicas time. She took up her own time.

If anything, she very well may have cock blocked a dude from getting with other women by taking up his time. Now guess what? Who will most guys fault for that happening? The monger, not the chica. My point is, these females have to deal with their losses when they gamble or invest time with a dude. Especially uninvited. And guys shouldnt be quick to treat these women like helpless entitled children.

A side story. I have a buddy that was entertaining a chica at our table in Rumba. I observed her rubbing his crotch a lot. After a good while he stood up abruptly and told her she had to leave. The chica was rubbing his crotch with her right hand and trying to steal his money with her left hand out of a zippered back pocket. He stopped her at the point she had the pocket halfway unzipped. He didn't get overly hyped. He just told her to leave. She tried to play it off like he was supposedly annoyed about something else. Pulled out her Eye Dee claiming she is no mafioso. He didnt want to make scene about her trying to steal his money.

She spent a considerable amount of time sitting with him. Dude still owes a chica trying to steal his money for her time and not taking her? Even if that didn't go down like that. If he realized there was something about her that wasnt compatible with his interests, she's automatically owed money? There has to be a clear distinction to when it makes sense to offer some chica compensation from when it isnt necessary. As I said before, if I invite a chica to spend time with me, the outcome may be different. But theres no automatic payment, and by no means will I assume I took up some womans time if I didnt invite her, or I discern she will not provide the services I want.

Yesterday around 1 PM the rain started to come down and it pretty much rained all night. Today around 2 PM some sunshine came out and the Chicas where pouring into town like crazy. Herds and herds of them where pounding the pavement and making the rounds a rout the Strip. All here for Super Bowl weekend.

Tonight at 8 PM Rumbas was getting very crowded. It was like night and day compared to last Thursday night. Unfortunately it has started raining again. Live from Sosua!

Can anybody give me an update on Perla de Sosua?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1675046]I see that all the time and I have discussed it here. Some feel that the chica is owed nothing unless and until a deal is struck, and have given me shit here for taking her side.

In one case a monger reported having 3 contacts over two or three days, before sending her away. He wondered why she was pissed and was "losing interest".

To me it's just bad manners, if I can use that expression in a mongering context, lack of consideration.

If the puta comes up uninvited and sits beside you, you owe her nothing, but if you invite her to join you, or ask her meet you later, you have, in her mind, set that meter ticking.

There's no rule that says you owe her anything, but don't complain if she goes away with "a bad attitude".

Bad attitude begets bad attitude, the putas get hard and everybody loses.[/QUOTE]Just bumping this post in its entirety because the person making the counter-argument can't keep his points straight.

And then resorted to using straw man argument like "what if the girl sitting with you is pick-pocketing you"? Ridiculous. Why not say "what if she stabs you and you died. You have to give her some money out of your estate to pay for her time huh?

On top of it, he's totally oblivious that he was THE monger who invited a chica for 3 interviews.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1676197]Just bumping this post in its entirety because the person making the counter-argument can't keep his points straight.

And then resorted to using straw man argument like "what if the girl sitting with you is pick-pocketing you"? Ridiculous. Why not say "what if she stabs you and you died. You have to give her some money out of your estate to pay for her time huh?

On top of it, he's totally oblivious that he was THE monger who invited a chica for 3 interviews.[/QUOTE]I have always suspected that mongers who treat the chicas bad have sexual problems and deliberately try to give the chicas a bad attitude to mess it up for other mongers.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1676197]Just bumping this post in its entirety because the person making the counter-argument can't keep his points straight. [/QUOTE]The smart thing to do is not to give such people a chance to soapbox, by NOT responding. That way, their soliloquy, long drawn as they are. For they love to hear themselves speak, would not last long.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1676004] Today around 2 PM some sunshine came out and the Chicas where pouring into town like crazy. Herds and herds of them where pounding the pavement and making the rounds.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the live report.

I remember reading on one of these forums about someone going for a boat ride in a lake / lagoon in Nagua. I looked for the post but cannot find. Would the posting person please paste a link here or send me the link via a private message? I may try the lake trip if I get to go next month.

Thanks in anticipation.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1675925]Wrong Frannie. 1st off if you want my interpretation its best to ask for it. Because you usually are offbase. Since when did I suggest time spent in a bar is the same as allowing a chica to make a sales presentation? 1st off how did the female get to spend time with a dude? Did he invite her? Did she invite herself? You left out an important distinction by leaving that detail out. Which leads to the next part in your assessment.

You assume the dude took up her time simply because shes there or in his company?. How can you be sure the dude took up the womans time, especially in cases where the woman invited herself, and the dude didn't invite the woman? Is it your belief some dude is taking up some chicas time that sits down next to him uninvited? If so, I see it differently. If chica sits down next or near me and I talk to her, I don't owe her jack. She may start flirting, touching my leg all she wants, but I did NOT take up that chicas time. She took up her own time.

If anything, she very well may have cock blocked a dude from getting with other women by taking up his time. Now guess what? Who will most guys fault for that happening? The monger, not the chica. My point is, these females have to deal with their losses when they gamble or invest time with a dude. Especially uninvited...[/QUOTE]Your whole argument is that the chica is a business person or entrepreneur selling a service and that you are a potential customer. It is similar to how in the US a dentist or roofing contractor will advertise that a free checkup is available. Sure the free checkup is available, but if you start asking for a free checkup every week, you will soon find out that you are not welcome, because the real purpose of the free checkup is not that it is a free service, but that it is a sales pitch.

Anyway I agree with you that you don't owe a chica anything if she comes and plonks herself down uninvited in proximity to you and your friends in a bar. And certainly not if she is trying to pickpocket you. But if you are not interested, there are all kinds of ways to indicate to her that she might be better off pitching to another potential customer, so that if she continues to waste her time hanging around you, then that is at her own risk of time wasted.

However if she had spent considerable time dancing and flirting with you, allowing you to feel her up, and generally interacting in a more-or-less girlfriend kind of way with you, then I can see that she might be aggrieved and feel that she had already delivered a certain amount of service. That's all.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1676004]Yesterday around 1 PM the rain started to come down and it pretty much rained all night. Today around 2 PM some sunshine came out and the Chicas where pouring into town like crazy. Herds and herds of them where pounding the pavement and making the rounds a rout the Strip. All here for Super Bowl weekend.

Tonight at 8 PM Rumbas was getting very crowded. It was like night and day compared to last Thursday night. Unfortunately it has started raining again. Live from Sosua![/QUOTE]The rain didn't seem to bother this chica:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NFywQdeKSo[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1676223]I remember reading on one of these forums about someone going for a boat ride in a lake / lagoon in Nagua. I looked for the post but cannot find. Would the posting person please paste a link here or send me the link via a private message? I may try the lake trip if I get to go next month.

Thanks in anticipation.[/QUOTE]There's a lagoon in Rio San Juan, I forget the name.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676245]The rain didn't seem to bother this chica:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NFywQdeKSo[/URL][/QUOTE]Well I'm not sure if I would want to see what's under the skirts of those two Chicas walking in the rain, however the music was good. Can you imagine that music being played in Rumbas. All the big booty Chicas would be doing the side step and guys would be dry humping them.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1675046]
In one case a monger reported having 3 contacts over two or three days, before sending her away. He wondered why she was pissed and was "losing interest".

[/QUOTE]"he wondered why she was pissed and was losing interest".

Nice touch. Your memory is failing you. But your fabrication of facts and details is excellent.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1676197]THE monger who invited a chica for 3 interviews.[/QUOTE]Now is your issue poor reading comprehension or a bad memory too? Or both? What exactly does inviting a chica consist of in your mind? Last time I recalled, briefly bumping into chica out in public twice is not inviting a chica for an interview. Other than that, I see in your own special way you got the point. I don't care how you got it. Just that you got it. The haterade in this forum is understood. Carry on.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1676220]The smart thing to do is not to give such people a chance to soapbox, by NOT responding. That way, their soliloquy, long drawn as they are. For they love to hear themselves speak, would not last long.[/QUOTE]Poor guy, haven't you been paying attention? Maybe you should just worry about yourself, instead of looking for comrades to share in ignorance. If you can't hang in a discussion that's your problem. You don't need no followers.

[QUOTE=Abdul077;1676086]Can anybody give me an update on Perla de Sosua?[/QUOTE]I have stayed at this hotel several times. Located behind the Popular Bank, it is on a deadend street. Rooms are clean, but it is an older hotel, older furniture. Price offsets the higher end hotels like the New Garden or Cayena. It is centrally located, chica friendly, quiet. One of my favorite places to stay in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676336]Poor guy, haven't you been paying attention? Maybe you should just worry about yourself, instead of looking for comrades to share in ignorance. If you can't hang in a discussion that's your problem. You don't need no followers.[/QUOTE]Not sure if your being argumentative and / or attacking just this member and / or other members with this post.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1676264]There's a lagoon in Rio San Juan, I forget the name.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Perhaps I have mixed Rio San Juan up with Nagua! Old age is catching up. LOL. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1676384]Thanks. Perhaps I have mixed Rio San Juan up with Nagua! Old age is catching up. LOL. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]I sent you a PM about the lagoon.

I have never been to the DR so I'm asking those who go frequently. It looks there is a good chance the Mayweather / Pacquiao fight might actually happen in May. If it does. Would there be any place in Sosua that would show the fight? .

Thinking of doing a "Fight" party in Sosua, if they show fights there. Does anyone know if it would likely be shown?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1676004]Yesterday around 1 PM the rain started to come down and it pretty much rained all night. Today around 2 PM some sunshine came out and the Chicas where pouring into town like crazy. Herds and herds of them where pounding the pavement and making the rounds a rout the Strip. All here for Super Bowl weekend.

Tonight at 8 PM Rumbas was getting very crowded. It was like night and day compared to last Thursday night. Unfortunately it has started raining again. Live from Sosua![/QUOTE]Remember last year this time. The weather was beautiful for weeks and when Super Bowl came, it rained cats & dogs.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1676223]I remember reading on one of these forums about someone going for a boat ride in a lake / lagoon in Nagua. I looked for the post but cannot find. Would the posting person please paste a link here or send me the link via a private message? I may try the lake trip if I get to go next month.

Thanks in anticipation.[/QUOTE]I think it was me that posted that trip. You will find a post on the Sosua forum dated 09/08/14. The lake is called Laguna Gri Gri. It's a nice boat ride 2-3 hours in the scorching sun so take a cap and sun protection. The trip goes to the ocean and makes two stops at two nice beaches and to a nice beach called la piscina de Bermudez and to La Cueva de las Golondrinas. They may gringo tax you. If they ask 1000 pesos tell them you only have 500. Don't pay pay more than 700 pesos. I think I got it down to 500 but I attempted to walk out showing the money I had in my hands and then the boat rider agreed. It's difficult to tell what the actual price is cause I did not see anything posted on the price for the ride.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865;1676403]I have never been to the DR so I'm asking those who go frequently. It looks there is a good chance the Mayweather / Pacquiao fight might actually happen in May. If it does. Would there be any place in Sosua that would show the fight? .

Thinking of doing a "Fight" party in Sosua, if they show fights there. Does anyone know if it would likely be shown?[/QUOTE]I was there for the last 2 Mayweather fights by total coincidence. I watched the first at Rumba. Super packed and crowded for free. I watched the last one at Morua Mai at the end of the strip for free. The place was empty, and I was conveniently finishing dinner when the fight started (good timing) so I stayed put.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1676445]I think it was me that posted that trip. You will find a post on the Sosua forum dated 09/08/14.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1676516]Much appreciated.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Tempoecorto,

I made a mistake. The trip I made were the Laguna Gri Gri is located is Rio San Juan not to Nagua. Nagua is the next town to Rio San Juan and about 37 miles away. Those towns Rio San and and Nagua can be reach easily from Sosua by taking the crowded guaguas or Carritos from one town to another (Eg. One guagua or carrito from Sosua texaco station to Gaspar Hernandez, from there another guagua or Carrito to Rio San Juan, From Rio San Juan another Guagua to Nagua). They are super cheap less than $2 dollars for over 25 miles stretches. There are also guaguas that go from Puerto Plata or the Texaco station in Sosua all the way to Nagua and one express that goes to Las Terrenas and Samana. Well Tempoecorto, have fun in the Guaguas or Carritos. Those are fun trips and true Dominican experiences and you made end up with a hot mami or a fat guy, a sack of platanos, somebody's baby, or some chickens on your laps.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1675895]Historically it has always been men who have paid for female company and not the other way around. [/QUOTE]Before I answer your other post, I want to revisit this post and address this part here. Assuming this is true, is it also true historically that men haven't always paid cash directly to a female for her company? Such as the case when you saw women drinking and eating at the expense of a man? Further I have observed pfp chicas in Sosua and elsewhere in the DR around dudes for brief moments or extended periods of time drinking and eating at some mans expense. If during the course of her being in his company she is flirting and dancing with him in some club, that's just simply what chicas do when they are having a good time.

I think some people got it twisted, as well as some chicas thinking that them dancing and grinding on a dude is some automatic confirmation that that man is supposed to take her back to his hotel / spot, or that she is owed monetary compensation. As I said before, if that female has been drinking and or eating at that mans expense, she has been compensated for her time. No dude owes a chica cash money. Especially in addition to what he already provided by her drinking / eating without using her money.

Even further, my contention is historically many women accept drinks / food as compensation for their time. At times they may be the ones, disappearing the moment their bellies are full or had enough drinks from some sucker. The same way some dude is not entitled to her company just because he "paid" for her, a female is not entitled to cash compensation just because she volunteered to spend time with a dude, dancing and flirting.

IMO this thing from SOME chicas trying to get money from a dude for their time, is some assbackwards DR logic used on unwary individuals that they think they can get over on. It's highly unlikely some chica is going to be sitting with some dude for a considerable amount of time, and not get a chance to drink a beer. As far as I'm concerned that chica is being compensated for her time. It's mainly the hustlers and trained newbie chicas thinking they are owed cash compensation.

If dudes want to throw more money away on girls they arent interested in that's their business. If chicas want to think they are entitled to cash payments for sitting with a dude, the same for them. At some point, one or the other is going to get a reality check. I suspect it will be the hustling chica. One last point, this idea of paying a chica in a club after you let her know you arent taking her back to your spot. Whats the pay scale for the send off? Mind you, this chica may have been drinking along with you. How much compensation should a chica get for her time? I don't recall members discussing this. Or have an idea what is supposed to be an acceptable rate? Suppose some dude is ready to leave or let the chica move on? He gives her 300 pesos, is that enough? Like I said before, guys are talking about chicas should be paid for their time, but I haven't read one example of what is enough. And who ultimately decides what is enough? Is this even a smart practice in the 1st place, of getting in the habit of paying chicas cash money for their company in a club?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676578]Before I answer your other post, I want to revisit this post and address this part here. Assuming this is true, is it also true historically that men haven't always paid cash directly to a female for her company? Such as the case when you saw women drinking and eating at the expense of a man? Further I have observed pfp chicas in Sosua and elsewhere in the DR around dudes for brief moments or extended periods of time drinking and eating at some mans expense. If during the course of her being in his company she is flirting and dancing with him in some club, that's just simply what chicas do when they are having a good time.

I think some people got it twisted, as well as some chicas thinking that them dancing and grinding on a dude is some automatic confirmation that that man is supposed to take her back to his hotel / spot, or that she is owed monetary compensation. As I said before, if that female has been drinking and or eating at that mans expense, she has been compensated for her time. No dude owes a chica cash money. Especially in addition to what he already provided by her drinking / eating without using her money.

Even further, my contention is historically many women accept drinks / food as compensation for their time. At times they may be the ones, disappearing the moment their bellies are full or had enough drinks from some sucker. The same way some dude is not entitled to her company just because he "paid" for her, a female is not entitled to cash compensation just because she volunteered to spend time with a dude, dancing and flirting.

IMO this thing from SOME chicas trying to get money from a dude for their time, is some assbackwards DR logic used on unwary individuals that they think they can get over on. It's highly unlikely some chica is going to be sitting with some dude for a considerable amount of time, and not get a chance to drink a beer. As far as I'm concerned that chica is being compensated for her time. It's mainly the hustlers and trained newbie chicas thinking they are owed cash compensation.

If dudes want to throw more money away on girls they arent interested in that's their business. If chicas want to think they are entitled to cash payments for sitting with a dude, the same for them. At some point, one or the other is going to get a reality check. I suspect it will be the hustling chica. One last point, this idea of paying a chica in a club after you let her know you arent taking her back to your spot. Whats the pay scale for the send off? Mind you, this chica may have been drinking along with you. How much compensation should a chica get for her time? I don't recall members discussing this. Or have an idea what is supposed to be an acceptable rate? Suppose some dude is ready to leave or let the chica move on? He gives her 300 pesos, is that enough? Like I said before, guys are talking about chicas should be paid for their time, but I haven't read one example of what is enough. And who ultimately decides what is enough? Is this even a smart practice in the 1st place, of getting in the habit of paying chicas cash money for their company in a club?[/QUOTE]Do you really believe anyone reads your long winded posts?

Please, stop!

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1676492]I was there for the last 2 Mayweather fights by total coincidence. I watched the first at Rumba. Super packed and crowded for free. I watched the last one at Morua Mai at the end of the strip for free. The place was empty, and I was conveniently finishing dinner when the fight started (good timing) so I stayed put.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676227]Your whole argument is that the chica is a business person or entrepreneur selling a service and that you are a potential customer. It is similar to how in the US a dentist or roofing contractor will advertise that a free checkup is available. Sure the free checkup is available, but if you start asking for a free checkup every week, you will soon find out that you are not welcome, because the real purpose of the free checkup is not that it is a free service, but that it is a sales pitch.

Anyway I agree with you that you don't owe a chica anything if she comes and plonks herself down uninvited in proximity to you and your friends in a bar. And certainly not if she is trying to pickpocket you. But if you are not interested, there are all kinds of ways to indicate to her that she might be better off pitching to another potential customer, so that if she continues to waste her time hanging around you, then that is at her own risk of time wasted.

However if she had spent considerable time dancing and flirting with you, allowing you to feel her up, and generally interacting in a more-or-less girlfriend kind of way with you, then I can see that she might be aggrieved and feel that she had already delivered a certain amount of service. That's all.[/QUOTE]My emphasis or whole argument as you put it, is not focused on a chica being a business person or an entrepreneur. My primary focus is that a man is not obligated to take her just because the chica spent time with the dude, danced or flirted with him, and therefore she is not automatically owed monetary compensation. Her being a business person or an entrepreneur is beside the point. I'm saying any woman around a dude in a club is not automatically owed compensation, especially monetary. She invested her time (invited or not), potentially hoping to get something out of it. If it didn't work out, so be it. She is the one that needs to discern how her time is invested, not the man.

Nobody is disputing whether or not some chica may be aggrieved because some dude didn't take her. The point is, that's just the way it is sometimes. Mongers have had to deal with disappointment all the time when chicas fall short. And so do chicas have to deal with their disappointments when their expectations or schemes fall short.

Check it. On the issue of a man having ways to let a woman know he isn't interested? It's not some mongers duty to keep chicas from the reality of disappointment. A dude may very well be interested in a chica in the moment he is socializing with her. But at the same time, may not be interested later in taking a chica back to his spot after he leaves a venue. He don't have to inform a chica ahead of time whether or not he's going to take her, or what his interests are with her. He may not even know what his intentions with the chica may be until later. That may be the whole point of interacting with her in the 1st place. At some point she will realize if he is interested in her for more than her company after socializing in the venue. It will happen at some point.

Moreover, if compensation is sought by a chica who invests her time with a dude, why isnt the onus on her to inform the dude what he owes if he doesnt take her. Shouldnt she have her own ways of letting a man know beforehand what her time is worth , if he doesnt take her? After all he aint the 1st dude she invested time with. If she herself hasnt provided that information, she has no business getting bent out of shape because some guy doesnt inform her of what his interest will be much later.

You make it seem like mongers should protect chicas from the effects of being disappointed, or perhaps you might be implying some deception or some dude is taking advantage of a chica because she allowed some dude to feel up on her, and/or suggesting men are supposed to know what a womans intentions or goals are with men? That being the case, to a certain extent, once again treating women like children. Feeling sorry for the poor chica who was bamboozled or taken advantage of by the big bad baller. I don't subscribe to any such variation of concern.

Like I observed for awhile, there seems to be an element of female worship running rampant among enough men, and to different degrees a disdain for men or anything that supports the interests, motivations and empowerment of men. Always more concern over womens feelings and disappointments. Meanwhile a different standard for men and mongers particularly. With all the shit that men talk about here and elsewhere in terms of women and their negative behavior towards men, I still see enough men are more concerned of protecting the interests of females instead of their own. But I guess in a assbackwards kinda way, protecting the female interest for some men is their way of protecting their own interests.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1676591]Do you really believe anyone reads your long winded posts?

Please, stop![/QUOTE]Yes, and no it aint going to happen. Endure, I mean enjoy your day.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676626]Yes, and no it aint going to happen. Endure, I mean enjoy your day.[/QUOTE]I enjoy your posts.

In fact I check online every hour so I don't miss a single one of them.

I'm a follower of yours all the way man!

I'm still dying to meet you in person and shake your hand, maybe even get your autograph or some other momento from you.

Don't let anybody down here, the forum members would be severally handicapped without all your guidance and wisdom in the ways our minds and the minds of the Chicas work in Sosua without your posts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1676215]I have always suspected that mongers who treat the chicas bad have sexual problems and deliberately try to give the chicas a bad attitude to mess it up for other mongers.[/QUOTE]You keep posting like that and you just might make the cut at the next Sigmund Freud auditions or find yourself requiring therapy when things go bad for you with women. Blaming mongers you don't know for every chica having a bad attitude. Enough women cop bad attitudes. Especially when they can't or don't get their way, like children. For the most part they are trying to manipulate you, get you to feel guilty, to comply, or use that as a smokescreen to get over on you. dont you realize enough women do that?

Like the chicas begging for pesos, beer and other shit. Or ordering beer from another table and trying to get a dude to pay for it. Guy refuses, chica cops attitude. Withholds sex, or whatever she thinks will get under a dudes skin. Cops an attitude if a dude wont repeat or take her right then. Stop blaming men for womens issues / feelings. Every woman aint a victim just because some dude didn't allow her to have her way. No need for you to respond, especially if you are on restricted response mode. Wouldn't want you to disappoint the rest of the gang. But all the lurkers reading who get it, know where I'm coming from.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676333]Now is your issue poor reading comprehension or a bad memory too? Or both? What exactly does inviting a chica consist of in your mind? Last time I recalled, briefly bumping into chica out in public twice is not inviting a chica for an interview. Other than that, I see in your own special way you got the point. I don't care how you got it. Just that you got it. The haterade in this forum is understood. Carry on.[/QUOTE]Unless you are lying to us, after those two "bumps" you then invited her to meet you at Rocky"s after which you then decided not to take her. You described her attitude as less than enthusiastic, and I tried to explain to you why she may have developed that attitude.

I'll add the poor reading comprehension, bad memory, to ignorant, lying, delusional and all the other insults you have thrown my way, and still wish you Happy Mongering.

Remember, we're here to help you!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1676682]Unless you are lying to us, after those two "bumps" you then invited her to meet you at Rocky"s after which you then decided not to take her. You described her attitude as less than enthusiastic, and I tried to explain to you why she may have developed that attitude.

I'll add the poor reading comprehension, bad memory, to ignorant, lying, delusional and all the other insults you have thrown my way, and still wish you Happy Mongering.

Remember, we're here to help you![/QUOTE]This is what I wrote my challenged friend:

"It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. And seemed impatient as I was trying to get some details straight before taking her back to my spot. It was like she didn't want the interview process to continue, just that her and I get out of there and make it to where she may have more leverage in giving a dude a problem.

During my interview I wanted to get it clear if her BJ was bareback or covered. She indicated covered. Her answer was as if she wanted to anticipate what I wanted. I told her that won't work for me, and was ready to abort. She quickly regrouped and claimed it was no problem.

Well, I've been there, done that. Many chicas will say anything just to get you to take them. And then flip the script, in your spot. The last thing a dude needs is to allow a chica in your spot and then realize you and her are at odds with each other over services and compensation. I knew her1st response, and that's the response I believed. I eventually terminated my interview because I didn't like her vibe, her attitude, and didn't think I have the chemistry I need to enjoy her. So I aborted. She didn't like it, and probably was quite surprised that I sent her on way because she was fine. Cute face, round ass, nice body overall. But all that didn't phase me. Sticking to what I want is / was more important. Multiply this by dozens of chicas over 4 months. ".

My post clearly indicated several factors that lead to me not taking that chica. YOU ASSume she copped an attitude because she had three meetings / interviews and got rejected. Ask yourself this question. Why would the chica have an attitude towards me before she was even rejected? Since I was there, the truth was, she is a hustler. The type that tries to get a guy to rush. The purpose for rushing is because she is not a good provider and doesn't intend to be. And I further revealed that when I reported that a friend of mine told me he just had the same girl at his own spot. As I recall, she asked for payment upfront, and she had a problem fully disrobing. There might have been other things he mentioned but don't recall. Either way, his intel spoke volumes of what I could have been in for dealing with that chica.

So I hate to break it to you buddy. But your Freudian assessment of why she may have an attitude was deeper than her having multiple meetings bearing no fruit. You only covered the surface potential. You wish that were the reason because you are sick like that. Her having an attitude is more likely because her con game didn't work. Like I said before. Chicas acting like children when their schemes don't work, or they don't get their way. So they try to manipulate you with attitude. Call you names, like cheapy, or say you are a bullshitter. All manipulative tactics. In addition, she claimed her BJ was covered, so why the fuck should a guy not abort if that is not what he is interested in, and she's got a bad vibe to boot?

So no I am not lying or delusional. You and a select few can't freaking read when you got blinders on, and all of this hatorade going on. And then try to twist details to make something stick. But don't fret, that's why I'm here to straighten all of that dumb manipulative shit out. Your playing the victim role. It's cute but not effective. Or maybe you are trying to gain sympathy from your comrades? Like I said before, I don't initiate, I reciprocate. If you would have kept it impersonal things would be different. But since you went personal, now you have to deal with it.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1676561]Tempoecorto, I made a mistake. The trip I made were the Laguna Gri Gri is located is Rio San Juan not to Nagua.[/QUOTE]Not a problem at all. Surfer500 had already alerted me about my mistake. The guagua experience is nothing new to me, indeed I very much enjoy the full immersion with friendly people around but the ramshackle high speed carritos might be a safety hazard at high speed, my only issue.

Last July, I came back from Las Terrenas in my rented car and was wowed by the vast stretches of coconut lined empty (of people) beaches around Nagua so I may try the Lagoon to beach by boat experience if I go to the DR next month and if I have the time as I may go to Sosua / Pto Pta merely for a day or two. Much appreciated your kindness.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676622]My emphasis or whole argument as you put it, is not focused on a chica being a business person or an entrepreneur. My primary focus is that a man is not obligated to take her just because the chica spent time with the dude, danced or flirted with him, and therefore she is not automatically owed monetary compensation. Her being a business person or an entrepreneur is beside the point. I'm saying any woman around a dude in a club is not automatically owed compensation, especially monetary. She invested her time (invited or not), potentially hoping to get something out of it. If it didn't work out, so be it. She is the one that needs to discern how her time is invested, not the man.

[/QUOTE]I am sure that this applies very well in clubs in the US, but when you travel to a foreign country and seek out places where prostitutes congregate looking for customers, what you will tend to find is prostitutes looking for customers, i.e. women who are present in the club for a specific purpose which is not leisure--they are there to exchange sex with tourists for money.

Since you are in the relatively privileged position of being a tourist on vacation (or retired) who probably has plenty of spare income to spend on entertainment after your basic needs and those of your dependents are met and these girls are probably impoverished and uneducated, and just trying to raise funds for their family's next meal or a school uniform or medicine for their child, the concept of noblesse oblige comes into play.

Yes, you are going into a prostitution environment where many of the rules of what constitutes socially acceptable behavior are by definition suspended, and you will almost certainly meet some women who are scammers, thieves, addicts, deceivers, con-artists, dishonest, and so on--but THAT is THEIR problem and they will have to deal with it, and it is YOUR responsibility to be alert to the fact that you may get swindled or cheated and to take precautions to safeguard your interests.

However this does not mean that you should suspend the same basic courtesy and consideration that would apply to anyone who comes into your life to provide personal services, whether they be your doctor, waitress, house cleaner, manicurist, or cock sucker, otherwise you will just be descending to their level and you will be no better than them.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676707]This is what I wrote my challenged friend:

"It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude.[/QUOTE]Why not tell us what happened before "It was then......"

Like the two previous meetings with her?

Or does that part quite not fit in with your story. :)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676707]It was like she didn't want the interview process to continue, just that her and I get out of there and make it to where she may have more leverage in giving a dude a problem.

During my interview I wanted to get it clear if her BJ was bareback or covered. She indicated covered. Her answer was as if she wanted to anticipate what I wanted. I told her that won't work for me, and was ready to abort. She quickly regrouped and claimed it was no problem.

Well, I've been there, done that. Many chicas will say anything just to get you to take them. And then flip the script, in your spot. The last thing a dude needs is to allow a chica in your spot and then realize you and her are at odds with each other over services and compensation. [/QUOTE]You say you don't regard the chicas as being in business, but the language you use shows that you regard all this as a business transaction. Things like "the interview process" and "services and compensation". In my view if these things have to be negotiated in such a businesslike way, then here probably isn't much chemistry there in the first place. It is better to act like it is a mutually passionate encounter at first with the money aspect of it as a side issue. Once you have got her juices flowing the level of service will automatically improve.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676747]You say you don't regard the chicas as being in business, but the language you use shows that you regard all this as a business transaction. Things like "the interview process" and "services and compensation". In my view if these things have to be negotiated in such a businesslike way, then here probably isn't much chemistry there in the first place. It is better to act like it is a mutually passionate encounter at first with the money aspect of it as a side issue. Once you have got her juices flowing the level of service will automatically improve.[/QUOTE]Believe me you have to tell these chicas what you want. I have been in and witness many cases where the chemistry was good and things turn once the bedroom door closed. Some of those chicas want something for nothing. Those "Sauve papi" and "papi leche" chicas kill me with that bullshit.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1676780] Some of those chicas want something for nothing. Those "Sauve papi" and "papi leche" chicas kill me with that bullshit.[/QUOTE]Well, there are a few possibilities in this situation:

1. The chicas are trying to avoid having sex by putting you off your stroke with pleas to finish up prematurely so that they can make more money more quickly without any effort to please you or earn their compensation.

2. You are being rough or causing pain or discomfort to the chica in some way and that is why she wants to finish up.

"Suave papi" actually means "gently, papi". "Papi leche" could mean that they are trying to excite you to help you finish, or it could mean that you have been going on too long and are causing discomfort, or it could mean that they want to get it over with. The two phrases seem to contradict each other a bit as the final phase leading up to orgasm would typically be more passionate than gentle.

Either way you might as well cut your losses, because once the sexual encounter deteriorates to her asking you to be more gentle, or wanting to get it over with, it isn't going to be very good sexual encounter anyway. Some women are multiorgasmic and want to repeat, but others feel sensitive once they come once and then they want to stop.

I am not sure that you CAN prenegotiate good sex, but even if you can lay down some ground rules, once it goes bad it is hard to ever get it going good again.

Without having an actual video recording of your sexual technique, it would be difficult to know which is more often the case.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676747]You say you don't regard the chicas as being in business, but the language you use shows that you regard all this as a business transaction. Things like "the interview process" and "services and compensation". In my view if these things have to be negotiated in such a businesslike way, then here probably isn't much chemistry there in the first place. It is better to act like it is a mutually passionate encounter at first with the money aspect of it as a side issue. Once you have got her juices flowing the level of service will automatically improve.[/QUOTE]Wrong again Frannie. I never said I don't regard the chicas as being in business. You assumed that's what you assimilated. I was trying to tell you that the emphasis of my message / argument was not focused soley on chicas being in business or entreprenuers. In other words, it plays a part but its not my whole argument like you said. You claiming I said I don't regard chicas being in business is a fallacy.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1676654]
I'm still dying to meet you in person and shake your hand, maybe even get your autograph or some other momento from you.
[/QUOTE]Good luck! Clowns like him are only powerful through typing. And a waste of time meeting in person.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676789]Well, there are a few possibilities in this situation:

1. The chicas are trying to avoid having sex by putting you off your stroke with pleas to finish up prematurely so that they can make more money more quickly without any effort to please you or earn their compensation.

2. You are being rough or causing pain or discomfort to the chica in some way and that is why she wants to finish up.

"Suave papi" actually means "gently, papi". "Papi leche" could mean that they are trying to excite you to help you finish, or it could mean that you have been going on too long and are causing discomfort, or it could mean that they want to get it over with. The two phrases seem to contradict each other a bit as the final phase leading up to orgasm would typically be more passionate than gentle.

Either way you might as well cut your losses, because once the sexual encounter deteriorates to her asking you to be more gentle, or wanting to get it over with, it isn't going to be very good sexual encounter anyway. Some women are multiorgasmic and want to repeat, but others feel sensitive once they come once and then they want to stop.

I am not sure that you CAN prenegotiate good sex, but even if you can lay down some ground rules, once it goes bad it is hard to ever get it going good again.

Without having an actual video recording of your sexual technique, it would be difficult to know which is more often the case.[/QUOTE]Most chicas that say suave papi to me do it just before I enter her or after my first 2 or 3 strokes.

Chicas say papi leche to me after the first 3 or 5 strokes. Don't forget the starfish chicas they are the worst. Starfish only happen to me two times, but the others happen to me a few times.

Believe me, its not me. The chicas pull that same bullshit to my wingmen and other guys I know. Shit like that doesn't happen to me in Rio and Costa Rica. The chicas have alot to do with it. Please beleive.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1672115]Thats a damn shame when a guy has to get that personal with these chicas. Only in DR.[/QUOTE]What is wrong with this guy? Do you want to go to WAR with everyone. Jackson, please create a thread and only allow him to post there. This guy is the village idiot for sure! Are you sure you aren't Sarah Palin??

RR.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676714]I am sure that this applies very well in clubs in the US, but when you travel to a foreign country and seek out places where prostitutes congregate looking for customers, what you will tend to find is prostitutes looking for customers, i.e. women who are present in the club for a specific purpose which is not leisure--they are there to exchange sex with tourists for money.[/QUOTE]One important detail. The women arent exchanging sex with tourists for money, IN THE CLUB. They are there to have the opportunity to exchange sex for money.

But it's not done at the club. Therefore if a woman is trying to exchange something else (dancing with / flirting with / being felt up) with a tourist for money, she better consider making sure her potential client knows hes being charged and what is the cost. Not too many guys are going to accept some chick busting out with a verbal bill for her company. I can imagine going to one of the wholesale clubs where they have venders set up in the isles offering customers samples of food items. And then after the customer tastes and enjoys the item, tell them they have to pay for the sample they just had. Let me reiterate, a chica is not automatically owed monetary compensation because she wasted her time on a dude that decided not to take her. If she was there drinking or eating at some dudes expense, she definitely isn't owed any money.

[QUOTE]However this does not mean that you should suspend the same basic courtesy and consideration that would apply to anyone who comes into your life to provide personal services, whether they be your doctor, waitress, house cleaner, manicurist, or cock sucker, otherwise you will just be descending to their level and you will be no better than them.[/QUOTE]Suspending basic courtesy and consideration? Care to explain what that means to you and how you applied it, in regards to mongers and chicas? And while you are at it, you made a statement that requires an explanation. And just because you said it doesn't make it so. It needs reasons to support it. But what do you mean by descending to their level? Level in regards to what?

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1676838]Good luck! Clowns like him are only powerful through typing. And a waste of time meeting in person.[/QUOTE]Well Tom IMO it's better than relying on power from booze.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676900] I can imagine going to one of the wholesale clubs where they have venders set up in the isles offering customers samples of food items. And then after the customer tastes and enjoys the item, tell them they have to pay for the sample they just had. [/QUOTE]I had one of them offer me some kind of flavored yoghurt the other day and it was so disgusting that I actually had to spit it out and the taste was still in my mouth an hour later until I ate something else with a strong flavor to get rid of it.

But these encounters are usually fleeting. I think if you took up a couple of hours of the time of one of those vendors, it would be good manners to buy at least one pack of the product.

Look, I'm not saying that anyone automatically owes a chica money for taking up her time in a bar and then deciding not to take her out, just that people need to be aware that the chicas are there to earn a living and show reasonable consideration and not be surprised if they are a bit pissed off if a couple of hours of heavy flirtation goes nowhere.

Remember that in the US people actually pay real money for lap dances, or so I have heard, something that has no financial value in the DR at all, and also pay cash for one-on-one Spanish language conversation classes for that matter.

Yes, you have correctly observed that people are not actually having sex in bars. Well done!

[QUOTE=RonnyRon;1676899]What is wrong with this guy? Do you want to go to WAR with everyone. Jackson, please create a thread and only allow him to post there. This guy is the village idiot for sure! Are you sure you aren't Sarah Palin??

RR.[/QUOTE]What makes me an idiot? I only state fact.

WTF Is Wrong With you Guys? You're fighting and fussing like a bunch of bitches. No one of you is crying for Jackson because you don't like what another man thinks when he pats for pussy. All you are full of it. None of you know what the fuck you're talking about, because none of it matters if you have money. It's all about you putting money in a chica's hand and she gives you get a nutt! Do you think the hoes are putting this much thought and conversation about Sosua?? LOL! Fuckery!

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1676780]Believe me you have to tell these chicas what you want. I have been in and witness many cases where the chemistry was good and things turn once the bedroom door closed. Some of those chicas want something for nothing. Those "Sauve papi" and "papi leche" chicas kill me with that bullshit.[/QUOTE]True! One of my buddies who is in Sosua for a month, has had his share of enough instances where he found out after he got a chica back to his spot that her BJ service was covered. Something he is not interested in. So, he says now before he takes a new chica back to his spot, he attempts to get that straight beforehand. The disadvantage for enough mongers is they can successfully negotiate for a type of service, but fall short because they can't really negotiate with a chica for quality of service or performance. What you get is what the chica provides. After the deed is done, that's when you know what you paid for.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676906]But these encounters are usually fleeting. I think if you took up a couple of hours of the time of one of those vendors, it would be good manners to buy at least one pack of the product.

Look, I'm not saying that anyone automatically owes a chica money for taking up her time in a bar and then deciding not to take her out, just that people need to be aware that the chicas are there to earn a living and show reasonable consideration and not be surprised if they are a bit pissed off if a couple of hours of heavy flirtation goes nowhere.

Remember that in the US people actually pay real money for lap dances, or so I have heard, something that has no financial value in the DR at all, and also pay cash for one-on-one Spanish language conversation classes for that matter.[/QUOTE]Thats where enough folks differ from folks like yourself. You may be wired to behave like you should pay for a product out of some belief system. But that belief system is not a right or wrong matter. In other words, a person who elects not to pay for a product is no less being mannerly than the person who takes it upon themselves to buy the product. Which essentially is done IMO from feeling guilty for taking or enjoying something they didn't pay for, but was offered for free. In most instances, the individuals offering the samples arent being manipulative, it's just that enough people are wired to internalize and emote guilt and / or a sense of obligation based on their belief system. So they pay for shit they may not even want.

Tying it into mongering. This is one reason why a lot of dudes fall for giving their money way to beggars, touts, the hustling kids, chicas asking for pesos, beer etc. Enough individuals have internalized guilt mechanisms, making them easy targets. So now when in the club, and some chica comes over to talk, get drinks, pesos or food from a dude, some guys don't know how to respond to being approached. They may feel saying no, will make them look bad. Or if they say no, it still triggers feelings of guilt and / or they don't like seeing a chica bust out with an attitude by not complying with a simple request.

However, there are more than enough mongers who arent wired like that. They treat chicas, touts, beggars venders accordingly. They don't feel the need to always give their money away, especially without some form of commensurate reciprocation. The lowest form being them receiving sincere appreciation, for what was given / offered to others.

The thing I am trying to get across here is this. In a previous post you gave clear suggestions for what mongers could or should be doing to protect their interests. Makes sense. But at the same time, as a man you have virtually zero to say for women when it comes to a womans own responsibility to protect her own interests. Your concern for men protecting their own interests kinda supports a dual motivation. You want men to protect their own interests, but then suggest that men could be protecting womens interests as well.

I have been advocating, that both need to take responsibility for their own interests, independently. And that we don't need men telling other men what to do to protect women from themselves. When a woman decides to step to a man to flirt, get felt up, waste time with him, the onus is on her to deal with the consequences, especially for not informing some dude that she is owed compensation if he decides not to take her back to his place pay for sex. You want to put the responsibility on men to be thoughtful and reasonably considerate towards a female for spending time ( in the club/bar ) with a dude. Hogwash. Let that female take responsibility for her own behavior. Let that female show some reasonable consideration by understanding that no man is obligated to pay a chica just because she offers a comfort or company.(in a club/bar )

Shit, just as much as he is enjoying her company, his company has value too. What he has to offer may be substantially better than what she has going on. Anything she does to get further than a meeting in a club, there are no guarantees that she will leave with that dude. That is what those females need to get straight, and not get pissed when some dude doesn't take them. And besides, if being compensated for her time is that important to her, then maybe they better change their MO, and start stating the prices for their company up front ( in the club/bar ). And if they arent going to do that, then don't get pissed with dudes that don't want to pay cash, or don't even have a clue he was running a tab because she "acted like a girlfriend" ( in the club/bar ) That can happen when you are only acting, instead of being sincere and genuine.

Again, why don't you have rules, suggestions for females in the game on how they should protect their own interests in this matter? This is the kind of stuff that is assbackwards when it comes to enough men. Enough men will tell a man what his responsibilities are to himself or towards women, but barely touch the surface when it comes to women taking responsibility for their own interests. When does good manners and reasonable consideration kick in for chicas towards mongers? Isn't it reasonably considerate to let a monger know he's running a tab on some womans company ( in the club/bar)?

Or is it, once again men are supposed to know what the deal is and express to chicas early if they arent interested. See what I mean? You got one standard of disclosure for men to inform women of their intent, but none for women towards men when they are in a mans company but expect to be paid or get pissed like the man doesn't have the right to choose somebody else. Men are supposed to remember the prostitute is working for a living? But the prostitute isn't reinforced to remember that it's the mans right to choose who he wants to be with?

Bullshit! In this instance, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't think men should entertain listening to anyone, who has one standard for men, and another or non existent standard for women.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676707]This is what I wrote my challenged friend:

"It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. And seemed impatient as I was trying to get some details straight before taking her back to my spot. It was like she didn't want the interview process to continue, just that her and I get out of there and make it to where she may have more leverage in giving a dude a problem.[/QUOTE]LOL.

You conveniently left out the first part of your post. You "bumped into her twice before, which means that your "interview process" was at least the third meeting, before you decided not to take her.

And you tell us "it was as like she didn't want the interview process to continue".

LOL Obviously your meticulous interview technique was wasted on this puta.

We here can sympathize with her.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676906]Look, I'm not saying that anyone automatically owes a chica money for taking up her time in a bar and then deciding not to take her out,[/QUOTE]Since you also believe no chica is automatically owed for taking up her time in a bar, when some dude decides not to take her. That suggests that there are some instances where you believe a chica should not or will not be compensated with cash if a dude doesn't take her.

So, could you please tell when a chica shouldn't get paid or when it isn't necessary? In other words, I want to know what criterior or circumstances you believe would warrant a chica (who spends time in a bar flirting, getting felt up, playing girlfriend etc) NOT getting paid when some dude decides not to take her?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677086]The thing I am trying to get across here is this. In a previous post you gave clear suggestions for what mongers could or should be doing to protect their interests. Makes sense. But at the same time, as a man you have virtually zero to say for women when it comes to a womans own responsibility to protect her own interests. Your concern for men protecting their own interests kinda supports a dual motivation. You want men to protect their own interests, but then suggest that men could be protecting womens interests as well.[/QUOTE]The more you write, the more you shoot yourself in the foot, because you are completely ignoring the context in which you are meeting these women in Sosua.

By an accident of birth, you have been born in a country where your passport allows you to buy a ticket to any place in the world if you can afford to buy it. However if you had been born Dominican or Haitian, your passport would only make it possible for you to visit the other half of the island you were born in, unless you go through a great deal more to prove your bona fides and get a visa to go somewhere else.

You were also born into a country where prenatal health care is available to all, free school meals if you can't afford them, subsidized health care if your parents could not afford to pay for it, free schooling, free buses to take you to school, and so on.

You were born into a country whose currency allows you to purchase the labor of people in poorer countries at very little labor cost to you. You probably earn more in an hour than the average Dominican or Haitian earns in a day. Or if you don't work, then you have a pension or inherited money that adds up to the same equivalent.

Furthermore, you have enough education to be able to get a job that pays you enough to be able to afford to frequently travel overseas.

And yet your regard these third world prostitutes who are mostly less than half your age and living from hand to mouth as your peer group!

Check your privilege so that you don't come across as the Ugly American when you travel overseas.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1677113]LOL.

You conveniently left out the first part of your post. You "bumped into her twice before, which means that your "interview process" was at least the third meeting, before you decided not to take her.

And you tell us "it was as like she didn't want the interview process to continue".

LOL Obviously your meticulous interview technique was wasted on this puta.

We here can sympathize with her.[/QUOTE]No my dimwitted friend. The other meetings were not relevant. If you researched my past post correctly, I said "Later, I got her to come to Rockys. There I started my interview process. It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. ".

You got it now my dimwitted comrade? You had it twisted like the attitude was from her having multiple meetings/interviews. I had to straighten you out before for assuming that knee jerk nonsense. But you are hardheaded.

When she got to Rockys, then I noticed she had an air of attitude. Now try not to be overly dense here. Think this thing out clearly. She didn't have an attitude the 1st time I met her. She didn't have an attitude at the playa. She was cool, and she agreed to meet later. When she got to Rockys, I noticed then something was going on. Her demeaner may have had nothing to do with me. Didn't matter. I decided I don't need someones bad vibe no matter where it came from, nor do I need to be rushed. After getting more reasons for not taking her, I informed her I was not taking her. She left pissed. You like a hyena saw me type her having an attitude and immediately jumped on that bit of information, and attributed it to her having an attitude because of the two meetings previously she wasnt taken.

Which was just you being a typical DH on this forum. But I hope you got it straight? If not? No problem. I got you covered buddy.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677123]No my dimwitted friend. The other meetings were not relevant. If you researched my past correctly, I said "Later, I got her to come to Rockys. There I started my interview process. It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. ".

You got it now my dimwitted comrade? When she got to Rockys, then I noticed she had an air of attitude. Now try not to be overly dense here. Think this thing out clearly. She didn't have an attitude the 1st time I met her. She didn't have an attitude at the playa. When she got to Rockys, I noticed then something was going on. Her demeaner may have had nothing to do with me. Didn't matter. I decided I don't need someones bad vibe no matter where it came from, nor do I need to be rushed. Afterward I informed her I was not taking her, she left pissed. You like a hyena saw me type her having an attitude and immediately juped on that bit of information, and attributed her attitude to the chica not being taken the 1st two times.

Which was just you being a typical DH on this forum. But I hope you got it straight? If not? No problem. I got you covered buddy.[/QUOTE]I rest my case! :)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677118]Since you also believe no chica is automatically owed for taking up her time in a bar, when some dude decides not to take her. That suggests that there are some instances where you believe a chica should not or will not be compensated with cash if a dude doesn't take her.

So, could you please tell when a chica shouldn't get paid or when it isn't necessary? In other words, I want to know what criterior or circumstances you believe would warrant a chica (who spends time in a bar flirting, getting felt up, playing girlfriend etc) NOT getting paid when some dude decides not to take her?[/QUOTE]When the guy didn't deliberately string her along or give her false hopes of a paid sex date, and didn't take up her time for an unnecessarily long time if he knew he wasn't going to exit with her. When she aggressively pursued him and he made it clear he was not interested, but she persisted anyway. When he had paid her for sex in the past, but didn't want to repeat.

Anyway payment or tipping is all relative. If it was very late at night, he might make sure she had enough money to get a taxi home to Puerto Plata or wherever, which might just be 50 pesos for the publico plus 50 pesos for a motoconcho at the other end. Or if she hadn't eaten all evening or all day, maybe 100 pesos to get a burrito or a piece of chicken or something. Hardly more than what you would spend to tip the barmaid for serving you some beers.

Actually I didn't say in previous posts that one should necessarily pay the chica for wasted time, just you should not be surprised if she is angry at being strung along and then discarded, if she has invested time on your behalf and passed by other opportunities. However since you have raised the topic, it might be appropriate to give her a small gratuity as outlined above, however be careful that you don't create a situation where she thinks she can come to you any time she needs 100 pesos for something.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1677119]The more you write, the more you shoot yourself in the foot, because you are completely ignoring the context in which you are meeting these women in Sosua.

By an accident of birth, you have been born in a country where your passport allows you to buy a ticket to any place in the world if you can afford to buy it. However if you had been born Dominican or Haitian, your passport would only make it possible for you to visit the other half of the island you were born in, unless you go through a great deal more to prove your bona fides and get a visa to go somewhere else.

You were also born into a country where prenatal health care is available to all, free school meals if you can't afford them, subsidized health care if your parents could not afford to pay for it, free schooling, free buses to take you to school, and so on.

You were born into a country whose currency allows you to purchase the labor of people in poorer countries at very little labor cost to you. You probably earn more in an hour than the average Dominican or Haitian earns in a day. Or if you don't work, then you have a pension or inherited money that adds up to the same equivalent.

Furthermore, you have enough education to be able to get a job that pays you enough to be able to afford to frequently travel overseas.

[RED]And yet your regard these third world prostitutes who are mostly less than half your age and living from hand to mouth as your peer group![/RED]

Check your privilege so that you don't come across as the Ugly American when you travel overseas.[/QUOTE]Frannie, I'm not entertaining any of that. Just address the issues I presented to you. Don't deflect from the issues and make this about me, like the other numnuts. I challenged you to give me reasons to support your position, and you also have the opportunity to tell me why what I said is wrong or carries no weight.

I gave you my perspective, and I explained in detail so you can grasp it. Thats all I need back from you.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677132]Frannie, I'm not entertaining any of that. Just address the issues I presented to you. Don't deflect from the issues and make this about me, like the other numnuts. I challenged you to give me reasons to support your position, and you also have the opportunity to tell me why what I said is wrong or carries no weight.

I gave you my perspective, and I explained in detail so you can grasp it. Thats all I need back from you.[/QUOTE]Yes, it is relevant because you find the notion that you might have any kind of duty of care towards these poor women anathema.

In my opinion, although the Hippocratic oath is not strictly speaking relevant to the situation, the dictum that you should "do no harm" is a useful one and I would rather err on the side of generosity than going to the other extreme. Many of these young women have been abused in some way during their developmental process, and while, like you, I don't want to hear all the details and sob stories, I also want to rest easy that I have not contributed any further hardship to their lives.

So I think it is reasonable to treat them with consideration and does no harm to try to imagine how they might perceive a night in Sosua from their perspective as well as yours. I think a lot of the "sex dates gone bad" stories are the result of mutual lack of empathy and failure to communicate, and that guys will get better sexual experiences if they adopt my point of view rather than yours.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1676882]Believe me, its not me. The chicas pull that same bullshit to my wingmen and other guys I know. Shit like that doesn't happen to me in Rio and Costa Rica. The chicas have alot to do with it. Please beleive.[/QUOTE]In that case you are better off going to Costa Rica or Brazil unless there are factors other than sex that draw you to the DR.

Personally I started to go to the DR several years ago precisely because it afforded opportunities to have casual sex with attractive young women who were not the kind of hardened drug-addict hookers that one might find in the US, but rather normal young women who just needed some extra money to supplement their low income jobs or lack of employment and who were functioning members of the community in other respects, and over the years I have had many excellent sexual relationships, both long term and short term, with Dominican women and although I have no idea of the number, it could be about 200 mas o menos.

Obviously some sexual encounters would be better than others, but when they turned out to be a bust, I would quickly cut bait, then get back in the saddle again to look for a better experience to wipe out any lingering disappointment.

Somewhere along the line I switched my focus to Haitian women as I found them to be more simpatico.

I am pretty much retired from mongering now. I can take it or leave it, and while I enjoy an occasional encounter, it is not very much the focus of my life. Last time I was in Sosua, I don't remember even seeing a hooker and didn't go in any of the bars.

So maybe the type of chica I like is no longer available, I don't know. But if you are not finding what you want in the DR, then it is best to go somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1677130]When the guy didn't deliberately string her along or give her false hopes of a paid sex date, and didn't take up her time for an unnecessarily long time if he knew he wasn't going to exit with her.[/QUOTE]Are you assuming a discussion would have taken place between the chica and the dude about him taking her? Because the reality most often, there is no such discussion. The false hope and feelings of being strung along are clearly the chicas own presumptions based on "he didn't send me away, so he must want me" "he bought me a beer, so he's taking me back to his place for sex" " I spent 45 minutes with this dude, so he owes me" "I met him 3 times out in public, and he still hasnt taken me, he is giving me false hope and deliberately stringing me along" Hogwash. Thats all manipulative chica logic, and those that have empathy for them.

And that's the extent of the chicas quest for knowledge of a mans intentions or lack thereof. Just because he didn't do this or that, he strung her along or gave her false hope. Once again putting the onus on men to protect a womans interest. Now if we were talking about a man who discussed his intentions upfront that he was taking her that's one thing. But we know you arent talking about that. All a man is doing is spending time with the woman and if he isn't interested in taking her from there, that's considered stringing her along, taking up her time, and giving her false hope.

Like I said before, where is the chicas responsibility to herself? Isn't it her responsibility to seek information from a dude about his intentions of taking her? Not assume because a dude is allowing her to spend a certain amount time in a club is some silent communication indicating he's interested and will pay for sex later. I don't buy that stringing women along or false hope crap. Thats a woman problem, not a man problem.

And if you want to look at it like that fine. But I'll say this about chicas that hang around a dude giving men false hopes of having a great sexual experience but not delivering. Leaving before the agreed upon time. Flipping the script up in his spot. Remember you telling me before about how men needed to look out for their interests from things like this? Well what do you think women should be doing? Crying and whining? No.

If women arent going to be providing the same consideration to men, then they can't expect men to do it for them. A woman is just going to have to look out for her own interests, and discern how she spends her time in the club / bar with men.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1676983]What makes me an idiot? I only state fact.[/QUOTE]I was not referring to you as the idiot.

RR.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677144] Now if we were talking about a man who discussed his intentions upfront that he was taking her that's one thing. But we know you aren't talking about that. All a man is doing is spending time with the woman and if he isn't interested in taking her from there, that's considered stringing her along, taking up her time, and giving her false hope.

Like I said before, where is the chicas responsibility to herself? Isn't it her responsibility to seek information from a dude about his intentions of taking her? Not assume because a dude is allowing her to spend a certain amount time in a club is some silent communication indicating he's interested and will pay for sex later. I don't buy that stringing women along or false hope crap. That's a woman problem, not a man problem.

[/QUOTE]Again you are ignoring the context.

The typical plot of a novel or movie, as we all know, is 1. Boy meets girl. 2. Boy gets girl. 3. Boy loses girl. 4. Boy gets girl back.

Now lets look at a more advanced plot:

1. Boy meets girl.

2. Boy leaves girl.

3. Girl is angry.

If we take this completely out of context, then, yes, we might ask why girl is angry.

But if we fill in the information by asking questions like who are these people and how did they come to be in the same place at the same time, then we will have a lot more information.

If the man has traveled from overseas to a place where there are prostitution bars because he wants to pay women for sex, and the woman has come to the bar dressed up in the clothes of a typical prostitute because she is selling sex and wants to advertise this, then both parties have expectations that may be fulfilled or disappointed.

If the man spends extended time in the company of a woman in the bar, getting into her personal space, touching her body, flirting, etc. And she squeezes his dick through his pants and he gets hard, then he is creating the expectation that he will hire her as his bed partner, and she will probably be disappointed if she waits around for him posing like his girlfriend in front of his buddies, and after a couple of hours he yawns and says he is off to beddy byes and leaves her in the bar.

OK she picked the wrong guy. Perhaps she should have asked him if he was planning to take her home and left if he did not give an unequivocal yes. But she didn't. Perhaps because she didn't want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] him off and lose a potential customer, I don't know. Both parties might have communicated better so as to not waste each others time.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677123]No my dimwitted friend. The other meetings were not relevant. If you researched my past post correctly, I said "Later, I got her to come to Rockys. There I started my interview process. It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. ".

You got it now my dimwitted comrade? You had it twisted like the attitude was from her having multiple meetings/interviews. I had to straighten you out before for assuming that knee jerk nonsense. But you are hardheaded.

When she got to Rockys, then I noticed she had an air of attitude. Now try not to be overly dense here. Think this thing out clearly. She didn't have an attitude the 1st time I met her. She didn't have an attitude at the playa. She was cool, and she agreed to meet later. When she got to Rockys, I noticed then something was going on. Her demeaner may have had nothing to do with me. Didn't matter. I decided I don't need someones bad vibe no matter where it came from, nor do I need to be rushed. After getting more reasons for not taking her, I informed her I was not taking her. She left pissed. You like a hyena saw me type her having an attitude and immediately jumped on that bit of information, and attributed it to her having an attitude because of the two meetings previously she wasnt taken.

Which was just you being a typical DH on this forum. But I hope you got it straight? If not? No problem. I got you covered buddy.[/QUOTE]I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the interview process conducted by the Mongerers on this board.

Getting bad vibes from the Chicas could indicate several things, perhaps they are repulsed by the appearance and / or the demeanor of the mongerer, hence the attitude issues. Perhaps there's a communication disconnect, not language wise, but the Chica trying to comprehend what the Mongerer is saying or asking of them, or the Mongerer's responses to what they are telling or saying to them.

Anyways, sounds like you just had another failed negotiation which would be frustrating for anybody. A little charm with these Chicas goes a long way which some Mongerer's make no attempt at.

To reduce failed negotiations, a Mongerer with communication issues might consider going after the "lower hanging" fruit Chicas. The really "skanky" Chicas and the deaf mutes fit into this category as communication shouldn't be an issue for the Mongerer.

These "lower hanging" fruit Chicas are ripe for the picking but aren't my cup of tea, however they might be right up your alley.

After two weeks in Sosua all good things must come to an end. No worries though, this time next week I'll be in Thailand and Cambodia for a month so I'm not in tears.

This last Thursday and into the weekend has seen tons and tons of Chicas swarming the streets / bars and probably has been one of the best weekends in a long time in Sosua. The assortment has been amazing with Chicas in all shapes, sizes, and colors. I felt like a dog in heat, wanting to hump them right and left!

Imagine banging any Chica in Sosua without a condom with no risk of getting or giving the Chica a disease, not impregnating them after cream pie-ing them, and being able to pop a nut every hour on the hour like Old Faithful.

I would set-up shop at Bar Central in the Hotel behind the bar. They have lots of rooms, and I would rent a couple of rooms. One as a waiting room to be rotated with the other to do the deed in. I would even retain a towel handler, just like in Tijuana my home base. I might even take two girls at a time in and line them up on the bed for try-outs with the winner getting my leche.

On Friday afternoon at Bar Central there was a line-up of Haitians with their bubble gum butts waiting to be plucked and put on all fours for some doggy action! I even saw a light skinned Chica with an Egyptian hairdo I wanted to do in front of Rumbas. Big butts, so many of them, I think they where in the majority.

Sosua at times can be such a good candy store.

Well it's just a dream, but perhaps could be reality.

Every one has there own opinions as weird as they may be. No one is ever going to agree all the time. I have met wrx and hooked Frannie up with a girl for a 3 some. Both are good guys. I am not enjoying the back and forward. Lets get banging pretty young girls. I will be on the ground in a month. I would like to do a real 3 some. Not interested I a BS happy hour. Let's get back to having fun. Anyone have a Sosua chicas for as real 3 some

[QUOTE=OldKool;1677245]Every one has there own opinions as weird as they may be. No one is ever going to agree all the time. I have met wrx and hooked Frannie up with a girl for a 3 some. Both are good guys. I am not enjoying the back and forward. Lets get banging pretty young girls. I will be on the ground in a month. I would like to do a real 3 some. Not interested I a BS happy hour. Let's get back to having fun. Anyone have a Sosua chicas for as real 3 some[/QUOTE]I have lots of fun in Sosua, however the banter back and forth at times on this board goes deeper than differing opinions.

Personally attacking others and making other's look stupid is the downer here which I have been guilty of myself.

Anyways, I'm with you about having fun, and there should be a truce among the warriors here.

In regards to having a three some I assume you where referring to 2 Chicas and one guy. If that's the case, sign me up for three Chicas for a 4 some!

Also I like them in the 30 year old range versus the real young ones. There's nothing like a well seasoned prime nympho to get the leche out of you.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1677184]I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the interview process conducted by the Mongerers on this board.

Getting bad vibes from the Chicas could indicate several things, perhaps they are repulsed by the appearance and / or the demeanor of the mongerer, hence the attitude issues. Perhaps there's a communication disconnect, not language wise, but the Chica trying to comprehend what the Mongerer is saying or asking of them, or the Mongerer's responses to what they are telling or saying to them.

Anyways, sounds like you just had another failed negotiation which would be frustrating for anybody. A little charm with these Chicas goes a long way which some Mongerer's make no attempt at.

To reduce failed negotiations, a Mongerer with communication issues might consider going after the "lower hanging" fruit Chicas. The really "skanky" Chicas and the deaf mutes fit into this category as communication shouldn't be an issue for the Mongerer.

These "lower hanging" fruit Chicas are ripe for the picking but aren't my cup of tea, however they might be right up your alley.[/QUOTE]If he has the same attitude towards the chicas as he has in this forum, you can see why they may "lose interest" in his "interview process". :)

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1677227]After two weeks in Sosua all good things must come to an end. No worries though, this time next week I'll be in Thailand and Cambodia for a month so I'm not in tears.

This last Thursday and into the weekend has seen tons and tons of Chicas swarming the streets / bars and probably has been one of the best weekends in a long time in Sosua. The assortment has been amazing with Chicas in all shapes, sizes, and colors. I felt like a dog in heat, wanting to hump them right and left!

Imagine banging any Chica in Sosua without a condom with no risk of getting or giving the Chica a disease, not impregnating them after cream pie-ing them, and being able to pop a nut every hour on the hour like Old Faithful.

I would set-up shop at Bar Central in the Hotel behind the bar. They have lots of rooms, and I would rent a couple of rooms. One as a waiting room to be rotated with the other to do the deed in. I would even retain a towel handler, just like in Tijuana my home base. I might even take two girls at a time in and line them up on the bed for try-outs with the winner getting my leche.

On Friday afternoon at Bar Central there was a line-up of Haitians with their bubble gum butts waiting to be plucked and put on all fours for some doggy action! I even saw a light skinned Chica with an Egyptian hairdo I wanted to do in front of Rumbas. Big butts, so many of them, I think they where in the majority.

Sosua at times can be such a good candy store.

Well it's just a dream, but perhaps could be reality.[/QUOTE]Well, I've had something close using those very premises. Never saw the towel handler, though.

Bang, bang, bang three in a row, in the space of an hour or so, and 2 were indeed heaven!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1677137]Yes, it is relevant because you find the notion that you might have any kind of duty of care towards these poor women anathema.

In my opinion, although the Hippocratic oath is not strictly speaking relevant to the situation, the dictum that you should "do no harm" is a useful one and I would rather err on the side of generosity than going to the other extreme. Many of these young women have been abused in some way during their developmental process, and while, like you, I don't want to hear all the details and sob stories, I also want to rest easy that I have not contributed any further hardship to their lives.

So I think it is reasonable to treat them with consideration and does no harm to try to imagine how they might perceive a night in Sosua from their perspective as well as yours. I think a lot of the "sex dates gone bad" stories are the result of mutual lack of empathy and failure to communicate, and that guys will get better sexual experiences if they adopt my point of view rather than yours.[/QUOTE]I wish you could understand this. Just because I am discussing this issue about female responsibility, that doesn't mean I operate like some of the dudes that have women around them at the club / bar.

First off, I don't go to places like Rumba that often. When I do I am enjoying the view, meeting up with some buddies, saying Hello, to many of the chicas I know. Every now and then, I may take a chica home. My MO, is not about inviting chicas to sit down to drink. If I see somebody I like, I may go to where they are sitting and strike up a conversation. I'm generally not going to ask a chica to sit down with me. But I'm also not going to a chicas table to set myself up to pick up their bar tab, or find myself paying for several chicas that conveniently show up at the table.

Been there, done that. Observed it enough with other men. Enough chicas try to run game on dudes by getting them to buy food and / or drink. At that point, they may not even be focused on the dude taking them. Their pursuit is get some dude to spend money on them.

I don't entertain any of that. Now what I do, if I meet a chica I intend to take back to my spot, I may stop off to one of the dominican restaurants and pick up some food to take out. I avoid drinking out, because I have enough alcohol and soft drinks in my place. I don't need to buy drinks in the bar / club.

I don't bring chicas to the playa, and I usually don't invite chicas to come sit with me there. Especially to feed them or pay for drinks. I take numbers and touch base with them later. So on this issue, I'm not a dude that has chicas around me for any extended period of time, so they might think I'm taking them.

Now here's something a few here didn't know. The chica that some of these guys are reading about, the one I bumped into twice and then had the interview later. I bought her a meal and a Presidente at Rockys. So IMO, her time was compensated for, even though I hadn't taken her to my spot. After she got pissed, she immediately told me I owe her for her time. To which my reply was, no I don't. I just paid over 500 pesos for your food. I'm not giving you money too! She walked off pissed, but she didn't give me a major problem or argue me down or refuse to leave. Probably because she didn't have much leverage. She was just trying to be greedy. It's also possible with her attitude / vibe I'm not the only dude that elected not to take her, so she was prepared to leave if things didnt work out.

So even when some dudes try to be considerate of a chicas time, some chicas try to take advantage of that. I don't usually sit down in restaurants with chicas, but I made an exception in her case. The good thing is, that 500 peso interview was well spent, rather than me taking her back to my spot and us having a bigger problem, and her expecting more money and we didn't do the deed. Plus I got to do a good thing. Feed someone who needed a meal. Even with her bad attitude / vibe, I still showed consideration for her time by offering to buy a meal. She also didn't seem appreciative.

I know none of this sounds like how I would operate, based on the content in my posts. But as I explained before, message board posts / discussions is not necessarily a representation of ones character, total beliefs or how they operate in daily life.

Back to the issue. For guys that feel a chica is owed something for her time, how much should she be paid? What range? OTOH, to a certain extent, I would think some chicas might be insulted by some dude handing them something like 300 pesos, and walking off. Was it a year or 2 ago, a buddy of mine had a chica that wanted 1500 pesos for her time up in Rumbas? He was a newbie, and another monger had paid the chica a lessor amount for her to move on. But that chica caused a major scene as I recall.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1677245]Every one has there own opinions as weird as they may be. No one is ever going to agree all the time. I have met wrx and hooked Frannie up with a girl for a 3 some. Both are good guys. I am not enjoying the back and forward. Lets get banging pretty young girls. I will be on the ground in a month. I would like to do a real 3 some. Not interested I a BS happy hour. Let's get back to having fun. Anyone have a Sosua chicas for as real 3 some[/QUOTE]Old Kool, I'm sure you recall months ago you and I going back and forth the same way, as Oakie, Surfer, Temp, Tom and others that are in the same zone. No matter how much I explained on the boards that we don't know each other, that you can't judge a person or their character, don't have a full representation of a person just from discussions / debates etc, we kept bumping heads.

I'm sure I mentioned before, that if any of us met each other face to face, and interacted with each other, you would see a real person in front of us. Someone who has a life, family, worked hard, is liked and appreciated by those that know him. But in spite of saying that, back then, I couldn't get none of you to see that or stop the nonsense. So the online quarreling continued.

It took us unintentionally meeting for you to see me as a real person rather than some message board personna. We had the opportunity to discuss some of the same issues we generally talk about, but without the usual blockages to understanding and BS we were accustomed to. Remember, you saying stuff like I could never be your wingman, and a whole bunch of other personalized stuff all because you thought in real life that I treat chicas like shit. Or you felt that I constantly have problems with chicas, because of how I supposedly am as a person. That my PERCEIVED message board representation in expression was me as a whole person. I have to admit, you looked quite surprised when I revealed to you who I was. It was almost like a bubble was burst because online you had a fixed way of how you would respond to me. But to see me in person, you knew right then and there , it wasnt necessary for us to see each other as online adversaries. At that point we had already spent maybe 20 or 30 minutes sitting there talking.

My friend that was with me in Rockys, I told him after you left, that you were one of the guys I was going back and forth with online. My point is, it shouldn't have taken us to meet for you or any of these other guys to realize that you can't judge how a person is in real life by the way someone expresses themselves in writing. Or because someone is focused in debate / argument. You miss so much from a person not being in front of you. Their facial expressions, sincerity, tone, full disclosure and details etc.you get to ask questions to make sure you got it right.

Not to mention, the reader is the one who interprets or assimilates the information. How it was received doesnt mean that is how it was conveyed. Your not going to get every nook and cranny detail of what goes on in someones report, or their world either. And a poster is not going to know every good deed you did for others, like buying chicas / families groceries, a cell phone, helped with rent, school, bought perfume etc vs, a report focusing on negative behaviors a monger should be on the lookout for, or talking about beggars, touts, thieves and scam artists.

I emphasized all too often for individuals to seek feedback and ask questions so you get a better idea of a persons POV. I tend to practice that , and try to do it often, but it gets me nowhere with certain individuals stuck in a zone they can't get out of. If they can't offer a counter argument related to the discussion, they in turn decide they'll just attack what they perceive of the person online. I point that stuff out all the time, and the stuff continues.

I could very well meet every dude on here that is acting just like you did towards me back then, but I'd rather sit back and just watch them continue to make assholes of themselves in their online representation, thinking theyve got some enemy / bully poster on their hands. LOL. It is comical. I wouldn't be surprised if some dudes recently in Sosua already interacted with me, but didn't know it. There are several well know posters in this forum that know me on a personal level, or know me enough that I believe they don't regard me as an asshole.

And they know or havent seen me dog chicas or disrespect any, don't call women bitches or talk like that. They are aware I have favoritas that I deal with moreso than searching the clubs for chicas. I'm generous, considerate, helpful, and act like a brother when we are together. Some I've picked up and dropped off to the airport. They read this forum, they see the exchange, but they are not going to say anything or get involved. They just watch. And weve talked about it off the boards. But we arent consumed with talking about ISG, because were too busy relating to what is in front of us in real time. Good times as friends, sharing info about life, and enjoying chicas. There is a life beyond ISG. You and me have no quarrels in real life. As for the rest, maybe one day they will see the light.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677498]. As for the rest, maybe one day they will see the light.[/QUOTE]An interesting, if self serving, cry for help!

Relax Wrexy.

You say you got all those buddies who love you and tell you you're OK, you say you got all the members who PM you with approval. I bet your Momma loves you too.

Do you really need the rest of us "ignorant", "delusional", "lying" mongers to "see the light", and finally acknowledge your supreme wisdom?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677498]Old Kool, I'm sure you recall months ago you and I going back and forth the same way, as Oakie, Surfer, Temp, Tom and others that are in the same zone. No matter how much I explained on the boards that we don't know each other, that you can't judge a person or their character, don't have a full representation of a person just from discussions / debates etc, we kept bumping heads.

I'm sure I mentioned before, that if any of us met each other face to face, and interacted with each other, you would see a real person in front of us. Someone who has a life, family, worked hard, is liked and appreciated by those that know him. But in spite of saying that, back then, I couldn't get none of you to see that or stop the nonsense. So the online quarreling continued.

It took us unintentionally meeting for you to see me as a real person rather than some message board personna. We had the opportunity to discuss some of the same issues we generally talk about, but without the usual blockages to understanding and BS we were accustomed to. Remember, you saying stuff like I could never be your wingman, and a whole bunch of other personalized stuff all because you thought in real life that I treat chicas like shit. Or you felt that I constantly have problems with chicas, because of how I supposedly am as a person. That my PERCEIVED message board representation in expression was me as a whole person. I have to admit, you looked quite surprised when I revealed to you who I was. It was almost like a bubble was burst because online you had a fixed way of how you would respond to me. But to see me in person, you knew right then and there , it wasnt necessary for us to see each other as online adversaries. At that point we had already spent maybe 20 or 30 minutes sitting there talking.

My friend that was with me in Rockys, I told him after you left, that you were one of the guys I was going back and forth with online. My point is, it shouldn't have taken us to meet for you or any of these other guys to realize that you can't judge how a person is in real life by the way someone expresses themselves in writing. Or because someone is focused in debate / argument. You miss so much from a person not being in front of you. Their facial expressions, sincerity, tone, full disclosure and details etc.you get to ask questions to make sure you got it right.

Not to mention, the reader is the one who interprets or assimilates the information. How it was received doesnt mean that is how it was conveyed. Your not going to get every nook and cranny detail of what goes on in someones report, or their world either. And a poster is not going to know every good deed you did for others, like buying chicas / families groceries, a cell phone, helped with rent, school, bought perfume etc vs, a report focusing on negative behaviors a monger should be on the lookout for, or talking about beggars, touts, thieves and scam artists.

I emphasized all too often for individuals to seek feedback and ask questions so you get a better idea of a persons POV. I tend to practice that, and try to do it often, but it gets me nowhere with certain individuals stuck in a zone they can't get out of. If they can't offer a counter argument related to the discussion, they in turn decide they'll just attack what they perceive of the person online. I point that stuff out all the time, and the stuff continues.

I could very well meet every dude on here that is acting just like you did towards me back then, but I'd rather sit back and just watch them continue to make assholes of themselves in their online representation, thinking theyve got some enemy / bully poster on their hands. LOL. It is comical. I wouldn't be surprised if some dudes recently in Sosua already interacted with me, but didn't know it. There are several well know posters in this forum that know me on a personal level, or know me enough that I believe they don't regard me as an asshole.

And they know or havent seen me dog chicas or disrespect any, don't call women bitches or talk like that. They are aware I have favoritas that I deal with moreso than searching the clubs for chicas. I'm generous, considerate, helpful, and act like a brother when we are together. Some I've picked up and dropped off to the airport. They read this forum, they see the exchange, but they are not going to say anything or get involved. They just watch. And weve talked about it off the boards. But we arent consumed with talking about ISG, because were too busy relating to what is in front of us in real time. Good times as friends, sharing info about life, and enjoying chicas. There is a life beyond ISG. You and me have no quarrels in real life. As for the rest, maybe one day they will see the light.[/QUOTE]Life beyond ISG, are you kidding me!

So now your saying here in a "nutshell", that if other members on this board where to meet you in person that most likely we would have things in common and wouldn't be such adversaries. This was exactly what I tried to convey to you in my Friday Puta Viewing Gallery Meeting Invite which you declined to accept or comment on.

Unbelievable beyond belief is all I can say.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1677429]

So even when some dudes try to be considerate of a chicas time, some chicas try to take advantage of that. I don't usually sit down in restaurants with chicas, but I made an exception in her case. The good thing is, that 500 peso interview was well spent, rather than me taking her back to my spot and us having a bigger problem, and her expecting more money and we didn't do the deed. Plus I got to do a good thing. Feed someone who needed a meal. Even with her bad attitude / vibe, I still showed consideration for her time by offering to buy a meal. She also didn't seem appreciative.

I know none of this sounds like how I would operate, based on the content in my posts. [/QUOTE]Well, the content of your posts is what you are putting out there for other people to read, including some who have never been to the DR but are thinking of it. I got a PM just today from someone who is making his first trip to the DR in June. What will he make of your posts?

It doesn't sound like you mistreated this chica. You spoke to her a couple of times at the beach and then asked her to meet you, but then you didn't like her attitude, fed her, and dismissed her. Fine. Probably she was a waste of time.

But just like you ask other posters to consider you as a real person, not just a cyberspace philosopher, you might as well also consider the point of view of the chica.

She is probably a person of limited intellect. She probably got up early on the day in question and showered, dressed up, spent a couple of hundred pesos at the hairdresser and fifty pesos for the publico to Sosua, in the expectation of meeting you and earning at least 1500 pesos. Maybe she is even paying someone else to mind her child. We don't know.

It didn't work out, so she was disappointed and pissed off even though she got a meal and a beverage for her trouble. Now perhaps she needs to spend another 50 pesos to go home again. End of story.

From her point of view her day is wasted and she has spent 300 pesos for nothing. So she is pissed off and asks you to pay her for her time.

Just another day in Sosua. There are no absolute rights and wrongs and you are dealing with a tricky population. Rumbas is not Studio 54 or the college disco.

Maybe she didn't invest any time or money into preparing for her date with you, but she might have done. If she didn't then other chicas at other times probably have done so.

All I am saying is that there is no harm in trying to look at these kind of situations from all possible angles. Yes, of course there are some chicas who will just try to scam guys out of money without providing any value in return. But look where you are, and don't necessarily try to parlay Sosua experiences into a General Theory of the Behavior of Women Who Abuse Innocent Men.

I think mongers will get a better overall experience if they start from the default position that the providers they meet are decent people trying to earn an honest crust by selling sex or providing companionship for financial reward, and then make adjustments when the individual shows themself to be unworthy of this assessment, rather than taking the default position that all the chicas are con artists from the get-go.

Others may have a different opinion. That is OK.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1677540]I think mongers will get a better overall experience if they start from the default position that the providers they meet are decent people trying to earn an honest crust by selling sex or providing companionship for financial reward, and then make adjustments when the individual shows themself to be unworthy of this assessment, rather than taking the default position that all the chicas are con artists from the get-go.

Others may have a different opinion. That is OK.[/QUOTE]Yeah like the guy who went out running while leaving all his valuables in the room with a chica whom he THOUGHT he knew. Too late for an adjustment on that one. Like you say everyone has a different opinion and way of doing things, hence the disclaimer Your Mileage May Vary. IMHO the words honest and hooker should never be used together. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjHAZWyckMc[/url]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1677540]Well, the content of your posts is what you are putting out there for other people to read, including some who have never been to the DR but are thinking of it. I got a PM just today from someone who is making his first trip to the DR in June. What will he make of your posts?[/QUOTE]Lets put it this way. There are dozens of individuals that regularly post in this forum. Over the years many were in accord, and even said the same things I said. About their experiences and their observations. We can't all be wrong or blind. You think I'm going to overlook those that can relate, and take the position that every person here that had a problem with the content of my posts, their opinion and assessment matters over the ones that agree, or report the same things? Of course not. And why would you take that position?

Remember, those individuals that agree or relate to my content are not the ones personalizing, in this forum or when we discuss. So that tells me something. There isn't anything wrong with the content, there is something wrong with certain individuals reading it, and making their own assessment of what the content represents to them? You of all people have a tendency to try to assign a persons position for them, and twist the content to mean something else. So at some point it's not my content that's an issue, it's your revised interpretation of it. So it's your re manufactured version of my content you are having a problem with, not mine.

There are far more individuals in this forum that have acknowledged much of the content I provided, than the select few who arent even saying I'm wrong. Or showing where my POV is incorrect. All they are doing, is what some people usually do when they can't win a debate / argument. Or their position is weak. Change the subject, deflect to something else, or claim there is something wrong with the messenger. What was the recent line? Something about me only being powerful when typing here? That sentiment speaks volumes.

Now about the individual making his 1st trip? Who knows what he'll get out of it. There are hundreds of posts to catch up on. Maybe they'll get a perspective from every one that posts here, not only from me.

[QUOTE]It doesn't sound like you mistreated this chica. You spoke to her a couple of times at the beach and then asked her to meet you, but then you didn't like her attitude, fed her, and dismissed her. Fine. Probably she was a waste of time.[/QUOTE]Thats basically it. Now if you can understand that possibility, why would we have others read the same thing you read, and ONLY assume the chica had an attitude from having multiple meetings but not being taken? It's because those individuals have a problem. It's not the content in my post.

[QUOTE]But just like you ask other posters to consider you as a real person, not just a cyberspace philosopher, you might as well also consider the point of view of the chica.[/QUOTE]I never said I didn't consider the point of view of the chica. You perhaps think I feel that way, because you obviously need that to be typed in order for you to know how I feel about it. I can't type just to please you, or keep you from assuming shit without evidence. I'm too busy focused on a particular point to know you are even thinking like that. And you arent going to ask me for clarity on what my point of view is anyway, you are going to do what you usually do which is assign someones so called feelings / pov to them. And then when I tell you that's not my position or not my whole position, you want to blame it on the content in my posts. Thats the extent of what were dealing with here.

Here it is in a nutshell. Whatever happens to chicas is going to happen to them anyway. My POV aint going to matter, because it's not my problem. When those chicas find themselves in the company of guys that feel them up, give them false hope, deliberately lead them on, they will have to deal with that. My consideration doesn't matter, it aint going to change the outcome because it's not me they have to deal with. So once again, you trying to get me to be considerate, for what? I don't know? When I am in the company of chicas I am very considerate. You can't seem to distinguish the difference between having a discussion and entertaining an idea, from assuming a persons character / POV. You should be addressing that to the guys actually taking up chicas time, and giving false hope. As far as chicas are concerned, they can see themselves as victims if they choose to. They can continue to rely on false hope if that is all they know. Thats not my problem or concern. Me having empathy won't change anything either, it's still them that have to deal with the consequences for how they choose to spend their time with a monger.

I still say, where is the chicas responsibility to herself?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1677532]Life beyond ISG, are you kidding me!

So now your saying here in a "nutshell", that if other members on this board where to meet you in person that most likely we would have things in common and wouldn't be such adversaries. This was exactly what I tried to convey to you in my Friday Puta Viewing Gallery Meeting Invite which you declined to accept or comment on.

Unbelievable beyond belief is all I can say.[/QUOTE]Unbelievable indeed!

Impossible to debate or discuss with, not just for his attitude, but his hedging and prevarication.

He'll take issue with how you roll in Sosua, then a few posts later, he'll pick up on your point and start lecturing YOU, with your own words.

If it wasn't for the insults, name calling you would ignore him, but he take up a lot of air on this board, and (sorry OldKool) he needs to be confronted.

If this board has no place for mongers who have figured out how to consistently have good experiences and good relationships in the DR, who knows how to deal with putas, pimps and touts, let me know. I'll just have to find another way to get the good news out to the newbies.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1677585]Yeah like the guy who went out running while leaving all his valuables in the room with a chica whom he THOUGHT he knew. Too late for an adjustment on that one. Like you say everyone has a different opinion and way of doing things, hence the disclaimer Your Mileage May Vary. IMHO the words honest and hooker should never be used together. [/QUOTE]I agree with you. I often said and believe when it comes to the DR, I offer common courtesy, and basic respect. But having been here long enough, I don't start off trusting chicas just because they may be decent people. Especially not wait until one gives me a reason not to. The people that say that, they are not being truthful IMO. Why? I believe the same mongers that express that, are the same ones that will lock or hide their stuff before a presumed decent chica comes over. Is that something somebody does who claims they regard chicas as decent until someone gives them a reason not to? Of course not.

I'd bet money if Frannie came to Sosua to get with a Sosua chica, he would secure whatever he needed to before doing the deed with the presumed decent chica. Point being, you tempt someone with considerably less than you, they might reveal their indecent side given the opportunity.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1677585]Yeah like the guy who went out running while leaving all his valuables in the room with a chica whom he THOUGHT he knew.[/QUOTE]I agree with what Frannie says, definitely not on Craig's list here in my town but in the DR. Of course I do not deal with Sosua but having once done it for a week, I would have this to say. Taking preventive measures is the sign of a smart person, unlike in your apple and orange example. As Reagan famously said (of nuclear deals, not of women, just to make things clear). Trust but verify. Also treating a person with respect, increases your chances to getting the same back.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1677653]I agree with what Frannie says, definitely not on Craig's list here in my town but in the DR. Of course I do not deal with Sosua but having once done it for a week, I would have this to say. Taking preventive measures is the sign of a smart person, unlike in your apple and orange example. As Reagan famously said (of nuclear deals, not of women, just to make things clear). Trust but verify. Also treating a person with respect, increases your chances to getting the same back.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Tempoecorto and I can get bareback sex any time we want. Others havea hard time even getting a BBBJ. My case rests.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1677585]Yeah like the guy who went out running while leaving all his valuables in the room with a chica whom he THOUGHT he knew. Too late for an adjustment on that one. Like you say everyone has a different opinion and way of doing things, hence the disclaimer Your Mileage May Vary. IMHO the words honest and hooker should never be used together. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjHAZWyckMc[/url][/QUOTE]Yo E, that shit is classic and timeless! I have made reference to that same clip to all of my boys when they go to the spot.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1677696]Exactly. Tempoecorto and I can get bareback sex any time we want. Others havea hard time even getting a BBBJ. My case rests.[/QUOTE]It seems like there are more and more reports of guys having a hard time getting a BBBJ in Sosua these days.

Last week while walking down Calle Rosen near New Garden I encountered a slender Chica I wanted to take to the room. I began my interview process and told her that her services where to include a BBBJ. To my surprise she said she would only give a "partial one". She said she would spend a little time on the head and then it would be covered for the deep throating. I told her that this wasn't going to work for me, thank you very much, and adios. She then responded, okay, a "full blow job uncovered" and I told her no and started walking away. She then pleaded with me to take her and I politely told her that if she didn't like giving head uncovered it wasn't going to be good for either of us and kept walking.

There is so much bullshyt bickering going on here I guess all the actual trip reports just got drowned out. Will you guys please just shut the F Up about who and how different people choose to monger. Who gives a fcuk! I'm trying to find a good trip report from Super Bowl weekend and all I see if nonsense back and forth arguing. New rule, if it ain't a trip report, shut the fcuk up. No more of this BS psychology of the contempory monger nonsense. Please and thank you.

It's a shame that this board has become a place where new posters are denigrated. Posts are attacked, criticized, psychoanalyzed, etc. This discourages people from posting their reports, comments, or questions. It may even cause some to avoid going to DR because they might think there is too much bullshit going on with the guys, in addition to the bullshit going on with the girls. They might think it isn't worth going there.

I am glad I was able to go to Sosua and meet up with a fun group of guys. We hung out, had drinks, picked up women, talked about life, went hiking, swimming, etc. We became good friends. I know that this upcoming trip will be awesome.

Will I post any reports on ISG? I'm not sure yet. Sometimes it's better to be the fly on the wall and observe rather than get involved in the constant bickering that goes on in this forum.

I (nor anybody else I know) don't post here to be told to have a thick skin when our posts are criticized. I don't post to have my words disassembled and analyzed. I post here to share information with others who might find it helpful. And if you find that my posts are full of shit you are free to scroll to the next post.

When we start encouraging posters to post good field reports instead of constantly attacking them, then the current information will start flowing again and we will get a good idea of what is currently going on, where we should go, and who we should do.

I agree with OldKool. Please Stop!

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1677751]There is so much bullshyt bickering going on here I guess all the actual trip reports just got drowned out. Will you guys please just shut the F Up about who and how different people choose to monger. Who gives a fcuk! I'm trying to find a good trip report from Super Bowl weekend and all I see if nonsense back and forth arguing. New rule, if it ain't a trip report, shut the fcuk up. No more of this BS psychology of the contempory monger nonsense. Please and thank you.[/QUOTE]Its funny, the same people that will tell you to rtff when you ask a question, will be the same poeple to rip your report to shreds. Wonder why people don't post reports.

I will pull up in Sosua this coming Friday evening and be there until Sunday morning. If anyone else will be around and would like to meet up then shoot me a PM. I will try to get my main trip report from December up sometime tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1677728]It seems like there are more and more reports of guys having a hard time getting a BBBJ in Sosua these days.

Last week while walking down Calle Rosen near New Garden I encountered a slender Chica I wanted to take to the room. I began my interview process and told her that her services where to include a BBBJ. To my surprise she said she would only give a "partial one". She said she would spend a little time on the head and then it would be covered for the deep throating. I told her that this wasn't going to work for me, thank you very much, and adios. She then responded, okay, a "full blow job uncovered" and I told her no and started walking away. She then pleaded with me to take her and I politely told her that if she didn't like giving head uncovered it wasn't going to be good for either of us and kept walking.[/QUOTE]Since I came last week to Sosua I had 7 different chicas. 6 of them gave a BBBJ even though I didn't interview this before. Mostly they give BBBJ even on its own initiative.

Overall, sex with 1 of the 7 chicas was very good, with 2 of them quite good, 2 with normal performance, 2 of them quite low performers.

For ST I paid only once 2000 pesos, otherwise always 1500. TLN was 3000, but it was Super-Bowl-weekend and it was the best performer.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1677787]I will pull up in Sosua this coming Friday evening and be there until Sunday morning. If anyone else will be around and would like to meet up then shoot me a PM. I will try to get my main trip report from December up sometime tomorrow.[/QUOTE]The infamous Mr. E will be in town. Wish I was going to be in town to meet you in person but headed to the Land Of Smiles.

A good place to meet others is the Puta Viewing Galley, aka. Diamond Bar about 5 PM in the afternoon.

The Chicas are either coming from the beach, rambling in and out of Rumbas, and / or cruising the Strip looking for customers.

Don't have any head on collisions with your car this visit.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1677728]It seems like there are more and more reports of guys having a hard time getting a BBBJ in Sosua these days.

Last week while walking down Calle Rosen near New Garden I encountered a slender Chica I wanted to take to the room. I began my interview process and told her that her services where to include a BBBJ. To my surprise she said she would only give a "partial one". She said she would spend a little time on the head and then it would be covered for the deep throating. I told her that this wasn't going to work for me, thank you very much, and adios. She then responded, okay, a "full blow job uncovered" and I told her no and started walking away. She then pleaded with me to take her and I politely told her that if she didn't like giving head uncovered it wasn't going to be good for either of us and kept walking.[/QUOTE]On my last trip, about 70% of the girls asked for a condom in order to give me head. I was surprised that so many wanted to do a covered BJ. Then I learned that a couple of weeks before I got there, the news did a big report on how high the cases of HIV had spiked in the DR. So I am positive that the news cast is what prompted all the girls to ask for a rubber.

When they asked for a condom, I didn't get upset or argue, I just calmly told them that "They could leave. I don't want to force you to do anything you don't want to do. So I will call a moto concho to take you back to the strip. Lets get dressed. " Every single one relented and began sucking. Now whether that had any effect on how well they gave head, I really can't say. I would imagine that if a girl doesn't want to give a BBJ and she feels like she has to do it or she loses pesos, then I am sure their performance suffers.

I have come to the conclusion that when you get the first negative sign roll on. There are to many women waiting for our money who are willing to give you what you want. If you are sport fucking the details are lees important. If you are working the GFE thing more is required from them. Compulsive use of phone when with you or any lack of attentiveness send her home. No explaination is needed. I will be on the ground in a month with two rookies. It should be a lot of laughs watching the girls school them. Most guys become wimps when the smell of pussy is in the air.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1677924]Since I came last week to Sosua I had 7 different chicas. 6 of them gave a BBBJ even though I didn't interview this before. Mostly they give BBBJ even on its own initiative.

Overall, sex with 1 of the 7 chicas was very good, with 2 of them quite good, 2 with normal performance, 2 of them quite low performers.

For ST I paid only once 2000 pesos, otherwise always 1500. TLN was 3000, but it was Super-Bowl-weekend and it was the best performer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1677954]I have come to the conclusion that when you get the first negative sign roll on. Most guys become wimps when the smell of pussy is in the air.[/QUOTE]Agree with you 100%, move on at the first negative sign to avoid a potentially bad session while Sport Fucking in Sosua.

[quote=bravo;1677953]
When they asked for a condom, i didn't get upset or argue, i just calmly told them that "they could leave. I don't want to force you to do anything you don't want to do. So i will call a moto concho to take you back to the strip. Lets get dressed. " every single one relented and began sucking.[/quote]Love it, hahaha!

I pulled up in Sosua around 6 pm after the three plus hour drive from Santo Domingo. I went to my main hotel but they didn't have my choice room so I left and went to Europa. $40 for 1 night. I left my things in the car as I went to my third floor room to drop some kids off at the pool and do some Whatsapp socializing. I finally dragged my ass out of the room thinking on following Gogo's plan of hitting the bars that others neglect.

I walked down to see if anything was jumping off at the old La Passion, but there was nothing. On the walk back I stopped by a bar that had Brazilian decor (Samba Bar I think the name is). I asked for a menu and inquired about the price of the drinks. The menu listed the drinks, but not the prices. It seemed that none of the girls behind the bar knew any prices nor how to make any of the drinks. They went to get some lady out of the back who knew more about drinks and was in possession of the internet clave. I think I ended up with a Pina Colada for 180 pesos or so. I tried chatting up a couple of the girls behind the bar but they seemed to be dumb as posts so as soon as I finished my drink I left heading down to the main drag.

It was about 9:45 pm. I was supposed to meet Old Kool in Merengue at 10. I went inside and sat at the bar. I think there were only two other dudes in there besides me and they were already with chicks. I ordered some Doritos and a Cuba Libre. Some chick comes up with the usual routine of Hello, buy me a beer. I tell her I am not interested but she persists. I just ignore her. Then her friend comes over and does the same thing. After I would not buy her a beer she tried to get 200 pesos out of me so she could get a ride home. Do they ever give up? After another Cuba Libre it was apparent that Old Kool was not going to show so I paid my bill and left.

I headed into Rumbas and continued with the Cuba Libres. I was socializing having a good ass time. First I was talking to the crew of the girl who I would see the next day working in a nail salon in Puerto Plata. That was right at the front window on the side of the bar. When I finished with them I shimmied over to some other chick's table. I'm just talking pure shit to the chick then I decided to go back to the bar for another drink. As soon as I excused myself and looked up to step off, who do I see on the other side of the same table? Damn Angie. The girl I got into it with last time and had to call the police. It startled the shit out of me to tell the truth. I'm thinking this broad is going to start some shit. It was like a nerdy kid in high school running into the school bully in the hallway. All I could think of was to ask how she had been doing. She said fine, like the incident had never happened. I said that's great then I walked out of Rumbas.

I had gotten a couple of emails from Gogo telling me to go check out a couple of other spots. First I went to Lou's old place. Gogo had told me to get on the waitress, but I took a liking to the cashier. Whatever the name of the place (Shirley's or some shit) I kept asking where she was. They said she is the owner and would be in later. I kept telling them bullshit. I knew one of them was Shirley. So eventually the lady comes in. She appeared to be Haitian. I'm steady kicking back CLs and talking to the cashier. Then all of a sudden an old white dude comes in and sits on the opposite side of the cashier, orders 3 beers, and gives her and the bartender one. Now she is turned talking to him. I was stunned. This mf just strutted in and stole my broad. I called her on it too. She said oh he is just a customer. I'm half way drunk now. I was like fuck this shit and left out and went to Big Mama's. The place was deserted so as soon as I walked in, I turned around and walked right back out.

It hit me that while I was down that way that I should go to the ATM. I walked down to the one next to the cigar shop and it would not work. I went to the one across from that and still the same thing. Then I went to the one across from that and that shit only wanted to give me a meager (like 3000 pesos) amount of money. Well what the fuck me worry. I got Charles Schwab. These fees don't mean shit to me. So I get the cash and head back to Rumbas. I probably had another drink before it was time to go check out the chicks heading into Clasico.

So I'm standing in front of Merengue and for some reason the worse chicks are coming up trying to latch on to me. And they were not taking no for an answer. I ended up asking one decent Haitian chick how much she wanted. And we were speaking in French now. She had the nerve to tell me 3000! I damn near had to pick myself off the floor from laughing so hard. I saw one of the finest chicks I have ever seen in Sosua. She had a big dunkie booty. I was like I got to have that girl right there. I called her over and was talking to her and realized she didn't have a big toe. You talk about a downer. Next time I just might have to bring her a pair of socks or something because damn that ass was a work of art. Then two chicks came up talking about Happy Hour. I said how much? They said 2000. I said that is 1000 each right? They said yes. I told one of them to write it down then. She wrote it down on a piece of paper that I gave her. It was tempting, but I had to break off and go in and see what that Clasico was about.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678105]I pulled up in Sosua around 6 pm after the three plus hour drive from Santo Domingo. I went to my main hotel but they didn't have my choice room so I left and went to Europa. $40 for 1 night. I left my things in the car as I went to my third floor room to drop some kids off at the pool and do some Whatsapp socializing. I finally dragged my ass out of the room thinking on following Gogo's plan of hitting the bars that others neglect.

I walked down to see if anything was jumping off at the old La Passion, but there was nothing. On the walk back I stopped by a bar that had Brazilian decor (Samba Bar I think the name is). I asked for a menu and inquired about the price of the drinks. The menu listed the drinks, but not the prices. It seemed that none of the girls behind the bar knew any prices nor how to make any of the drinks. They went to get some lady out of the back who knew more about drinks and was in possession of the internet clave. I think I ended up with a Pina Colada for 180 pesos or so. I tried chatting up a couple of the girls behind the bar but they seemed to be dumb as posts so as soon as I finished my drink I left heading down to the main drag.

It was about 9:45 pm. I was supposed to meet Old Kool in Merengue at 10. I went inside and sat at the bar. I think there were only two other dudes in there besides me and they were already with chicks. I ordered some Doritos and a Cuba Libre. Some chick comes up with the usual routine of Hello, buy me a beer. I tell her I am not interested but she persists. I just ignore her. Then her friend comes over and does the same thing. After I would not buy her a beer she tried to get 200 pesos out of me so she could get a ride home. Do they ever give up? After another Cuba Libre it was apparent that Old Kool was not going to show so I paid my bill and left..[/QUOTE]Okay so where waiting now after reading all of this for hopefully a "happy ending" to your evening!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678105]
I saw one of the finest chicks I have ever seen in Sosua. She had a big dunkie booty. I was like I got to have that girl right there. I called her over and was talking to her and realized she didn't have a big toe. You talk about a downer. Next time I just might have to bring her a pair of socks or something because damn that ass was a work of art. .[/QUOTE]Lmao, we all been there. The best head I ever got was a chic with a missing front tooth, but man was that ass fat LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678105]I pulled up in Sosua around 6 pm after the three plus hour drive from Santo Domingo. I went to my main hotel but they didn't have my choice room so I left and went to Europa. $40 for 1 night. I left my things in the car as I went to my third floor room to drop some kids off at the pool and do some Whatsapp socializing. I finally dragged my ass out of the room thinking on following Gogo's plan of hitting the bars that others neglect.[/QUOTE]Finally a trip report amongst all the other bullshit!

Thank you Mr. E.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678105]I got Charles Schwab. These fees don't mean shit to me.[/QUOTE]Do you have to call Charles Schwab (CS) to get the fees reimbursed or they do automatically?

I'm using the same visa ATM card in the DR now but I don't see CS reimbursing me so far.

BanPopular charges 175 pesos!

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1677751]There is so much bullshyt bickering going on here I guess all the actual trip reports just got drowned out. Will you guys please just shut the F Up about who and how different people choose to monger. Who gives a fcuk! I'm trying to find a good trip report from Super Bowl weekend and all I see if nonsense back and forth arguing. [/QUOTE]The recent discussions have been about how to negotiate the tricky pay-for-sex marketplace to get the best bang for your buck in Sosua.

Some people want to just read about how much a person paid for a hotel and for a brief sexual encounter, others want to know which is the best hotel for their purpose, and how to get a great sexual encounter. Hence their can be no total agreement, only discussion.

To me it is of no interest to know that someone paid 1500 pesos for sex, but if he relates he paid 1500 pesos and had the best sexual experience of his life (or the worst), then the interesting part is knowing WHY it was so great, or WHY it was a bust and how such experiences might be replicated or avoided.

I am sorry if detailed discussions of managing encounters with paid sex providers is the cause of anxiety in some readers, but there is really no need for it to be so.

People have tried to start threads that consist of nothing but trip reports, which admittedly are always interesting, especially when you have a first time visitor to the DR giving a new perspective, but such efforts have always quickly failed, the main reason being that there are insufficient numbers of detailed trip reports posted to maintain interest.

Anyway we have a new trip report from an old hand on the board now, so hopefully trip report fans will chip in to say what they found most helpful about the report.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1677953]On my last trip, about 70% of the girls asked for a condom in order to give me head. I was surprised that so many wanted to do a covered BJ. Then I learned that a couple of weeks before I got there, the news did a big report on how high the cases of HIV had spiked in the DR. So I am positive that the news cast is what prompted all the girls to ask for a rubber.

When they asked for a condom, I didn't get upset or argue, I just calmly told them that "They could leave. I don't want to force you to do anything you don't want to do. So I will call a moto concho to take you back to the strip. Lets get dressed. " Every single one relented and began sucking. Now whether that had any effect on how well they gave head, I really can't say. I would imagine that if a girl doesn't want to give a BBJ and she feels like she has to do it or she loses pesos, then I am sure their performance suffers.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am pretty sure they have public health educators moving among the p4 p chicas and encouraging safe sex practices, so a lot of the girls will show some awareness of that. Which is a good thing to some extent. However they will always be inclined to overstate the dangers of various sexual practices to be on the safe side, and fellatio without condom is not very high up the list in terms of dangerous practices, especially if the chica inspects the member for visible signs of disease like herpes or genital warts, discharge, syphilitic chancres, etc. Prior to insertion in the buccal cavity.

If a chica really wants to use a condom for oral sex it is probably best not to make too big a deal about it if this is just a one-time paid encounter, but if there is going to be any kind of ongoing relationship, that would have to change pretty quickly. Same goes for vaginal sex, for that matter.

Actually I am surprised how for so many guys fellatio with a condom is a huge deal-breaker, but there don't seem to be the same complaints about vaginal sex with condom, even though the end result is pretty much the same--contact between sensitive mucous membranes reduced because of an intervening latex barrier. Possible the issue is that since it is understood that there is not going to be unprotected vaginal sex, then BBBJ is highly desired as a more intimate alternative, if only as foreplay.

My own tendency has been to go along with the rubber / rubber routine if the chica demands it on the first encounter, the trial run, because there are other factors like the presence of a new, highly desired partner to boost excitement levels, but if there are to be further encounters, then more intimate levels of sex will need to be negotiated.

Having said that, I would say that I have turned down unprotected vaginal sex more often then I have been refused a BBBJ. Your mileage may vary.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1678257]Do you have to call Charles Schwab (CS) to get the fees reimbursed or they do automatically?

I'm using the same visa ATM card in the DR now but I don't see CS reimbursing me so far.

BanPopular charges 175 pesos![/QUOTE]They do it automatically at the end of the month.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1678143]Lmao, we all been there. The best head I ever got was a chic with a missing front tooth, but man was that ass fat LOL.[/QUOTE]The one's with the eye patch's and a stump leg do a good job as well!

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1677754]

Will I post any reports on ISG? I'm not sure yet. Sometimes it's better to be the fly on the wall and observe rather than get involved in the constant bickering that goes on in this forum.

I (nor anybody else I know) don't post here to be told to have a thick skin when our posts are criticized. I don't post to have my words disassembled and analyzed. I post here to share information with others who might find it helpful. [/QUOTE]You might want to start a new user thread for your report and just state upfront that you don't want any comments on it. People would probably respect that.

People don't post trip reports for a variety of reasons, including that they don't want to provide information that might make them identifiable, and that much of the content might include reference to local residents with whom the poster has personal relationships of various types.

It is not uncommon for posters to ask a number of questions before coming to the DR for the first time, promising to write a trip report later, and then not post the report at all, or only a minimalist report of no real interest.

Another reason is that people just lack the writing skills or typing skills necessary to put together a detailed report. (This is written on a laptop, it would take forever to tap it out on a phone.).

The best kind of trip reports are the ones where the person makes a maiden voyage to the DR and has a wonderful life-changing experience and then writes a detailed report because they are spilling over with memories of incredible experiences that they cannot possibly share with anyone in their civilian back home.

Anyway, ISG should be happy with all posts, because they are getting unique copy posted for free by contributors.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1678291]Having said that, I would say that I have turned down unprotected vaginal sex more often then I have been refused a BBBJ.[/QUOTE]So your saying here that Chicas have offered you unprotected vaginal sex which you have said no to more times than Chicas refusing to give you a BBBJ.

This is kind of the reverse of things I think for many in Sosua, if I'm reading this correctly.

In my case, with a few exceptions, while sport fucking it has typically been BBBJ with protected vaginal sex.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1678291]Yes, I am pretty sure they have public health educators moving among the p4 p chicas and encouraging safe sex practices, so a lot of the girls will show some awareness of that. Which is a good thing to some extent. However they will always be inclined to overstate the dangers of various sexual practices to be on the safe side, and fellatio without condom is not very high up the list in terms of dangerous practices, especially if the chica inspects the member for visible signs of disease like herpes or genital warts, discharge, syphilitic chancres, etc. Prior to insertion in the buccal cavity.

If a chica really wants to use a condom for oral sex it is probably best not to make too big a deal about it if this is just a one-time paid encounter, but if there is going to be any kind of ongoing relationship, that would have to change pretty quickly. Same goes for vaginal sex, for that matter.

Actually I am surprised how for so many guys fellatio with a condom is a huge deal-breaker, but there don't seem to be the same complaints about vaginal sex with condom, even though the end result is pretty much the same--contact between sensitive mucous membranes reduced because of an intervening latex barrier. Possible the issue is that since it is understood that there is not going to be unprotected vaginal sex, then BBBJ is highly desired as a more intimate alternative, if only as foreplay.

My own tendency has been to go along with the rubber / rubber routine if the chica demands it on the first encounter, the trial run, because there are other factors like the presence of a new, highly desired partner to boost excitement levels, but if there are to be further encounters, then more intimate levels of sex will need to be negotiated.

Having said that, I would say that I have turned down unprotected vaginal sex more often then I have been refused a BBBJ. Your mileage may vary.[/QUOTE]I'm surprised at the number of mongers (sometimes including myself) who would have unprotected sex with a complete stranger.

But, one of the good things about Sosua is the rarity of STDs. Either the girls are generally disease free, or guys are not reporting problems. The news would spread like wildfire.

Mongers don't seem to be overly concerned with the risk, but then again, they are not overly concerned with sloppy seconds either, so go figure!

A regular GF puts my mind at ease. You at least know her hygiene habits.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1678314]But, one of the good things about Sosua is the rarity of STDs. Either the girls are generally disease free, or guys are not reporting problems. The news would spread like wildfire.[/QUOTE]Don't know if I agree with you on this, but can tell you the majority of guys out of embarrassment alone would not be reporting problems on this Site.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678320]Don't know if I agree with you on this, but can tell you the majority of guys out of embarrassment alone would not be reporting problems on this Site.[/QUOTE]I'm sure the guys here would "caution" their fellow mongers, even indirectly.

Hell, posters here caution against bad pizza!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678114]Okay so we're waiting now after reading all of this for hopefully a "happy ending" to your evening![/QUOTE]Took the words right outa my mouth!

Next?

I have a chica in PP I am scheduling to meet me in Sosua. We are talking on Skype. With all the women in Sosua why import? The chica has a smoking body and willingness to do what I want in the bedroom. I look at this as an extended interview. I was able to put all my cards on the table with her.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1678413]I have a chica in PP I am scheduling to meet me in Sosua. We are talking on Skype. With all the women in Sosua why import? The chica has a smoking body and willingness to do what I want in the bedroom. I look at this as an extended interview. I was able to put all my cards on the table with her.[/QUOTE]I've had at least half a dozen women come from PP to meet up with me in Sosua. I would estimate that at least one half of the girls working in Sosua come from the PP area, so why do you consider this importing a Chica. If upon meeting things don't seem like there going to work out give her 300 Pesos which will pay for the public taxi round-trip and a beer.

I typically meet the girls that come to meet me from PP at the public taxi stand in Sosua. If I like what I see I then take them to either Sinatras or Baileys for a drink and the interview. If they fail the interview I give them some pesos to cover their travel expenses. If they pass we end up in my room.

I made the mistake once of having a Chica I had never met before come directly to the hotel. When she got off the Moto-Concho she didn't look anything like her Photos. I gave her some Pesos to go away with no interview conducted. Other members should be aware if you meet someone online, and they only have photo's from the waist up or head shots, be warned they might have a figure you won't like.

I know you've been doing this longer than me as we have shared some similar experiences about this in the past.

Good Luck, she might turn out to be a keeper!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1678412]Took the words right outa my mouth!

Next?[/QUOTE]He probably meet a nympho Chica and hasn't been able to come up for air yet!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678439]I made the mistake once of having a Chica I had never met before come directly to the hotel. When she got off the Moto-Concho she didn't look anything like her Photos. I gave her some Pesos to go away with no interview conducted. Other members should be aware if you meet someone online, and they only have photo's from the waist up or head shots, be warned they might have a figure you won't like.[/QUOTE]The only time that has happened to me was last March in Santiago. It definitely was NOT the same girl as the fotos. I took her to the cabaña and fucked her anyway though. Then she wanted me to take pictures of her pussy and my dick in her pussy with her phone.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678439]I've had at least half a dozen women come from PP to meet up with me in Sosua. I would estimate that at least one half of the girls working in Sosua come from the PP area, so why do you consider this importing a Chica. If upon meeting things don't seem like there going to work out give her 300 Pesos which will pay for the public taxi round-trip and a beer.

I typically meet the girls that come to meet me from PP at the public taxi stand in Sosua. If I like what I see I then take them to either Sinatras or Baileys for a drink and the interview. If they fail the interview I give them some pesos to cover their travel expenses. If they pass we end up in my room.

I made the mistake once of having a Chica I had never met before come directly to the hotel. When she got off the Moto-Concho she didn't look anything like her Photos. I gave her some Pesos to go away with no interview conducted. Other members should be aware if you meet someone online, and they only have photo's from the waist up or head shots, be warned they might have a figure you won't like.

I know you've been doing this longer than me as we have shared some similar experiences about this in the past.

Good Luck, she might turn out to be a keeper![/QUOTE]What forum do you guys use to connect with the chicas prior to arrival? I know there are a few but looking for experienced suggestions.

She has an 11 body and 6 face. The big plus is she asked me what I wanted and liked in bed. If we could do this on the streets we would have much fewers problems. She is cool with toys and wants to give me a serious tit fuck. Skype is a wonderful thing and it is hard to fake live video.

Bottom line is the first time she messes up I roll her out or any other chica out. I plan to make her a day time option. Much as we are surprised when a chica wants a covered BJ. Just think what goes through their heads with some of the kinky stuff we come up with. The Skype interview breaks the ice. IN My experience they are often excited to see you in person. This is a step above your average sport fuck. My preference is quality over quantity. Quality is hard to get without complications. Once all the cards are on the table the good times can roll. 28 days and counting

[QUOTE=Oakie;1678314]I'm surprised at the number of mongers (sometimes including myself) who would have unprotected sex with a complete stranger.

But, one of the good things about Sosua is the rarity of STDs. Either the girls are generally disease free, or guys are not reporting problems. The news would spread like wildfire.

Mongers don't seem to be overly concerned with the risk, but then again, they are not overly concerned with sloppy seconds either, so go figure!

A regular GF puts my mind at ease. You at least know her hygiene habits.[/QUOTE]A lot of STDs many times have no noticeable symptoms, including Herpes. Someone who sport fucks and receives BBBJ and does DATY on 10 girls in Sosua is essentially guaranteed to have HSV-1 or HSV-2 or some other infection. But if they get a cold sore or their dick is on fire after their trip they aren't going to come on here and fess up to that LOL. If someone wants to make out with a Sosua puta that is their prerogative, I guess. You are not going to die from having a cold sore anyway.

HIV prevalence in the DR is about %1 - but gay Dominicanos / sanky pankys probably take up a significant chunk of that. Most guys in the board are probably straight. So that makes it much safer for them immediately. A low estimate would be that around %. 5 of the women in Sosua are HIV positive. That is 1 in 200. Stats are probably pretty difficult because it probably varies by region. Haitian chicas are probably also somewhere around %1 chance of being HIV positive. This is basically the low end of stats found in a few minutes of Googling UN HIV stats.

But, even if you have bareback vaginal sex with an HIV positive woman that doesn't necessarily mean you will get HIV. Especially if she knows her status and takes medication (although that might be less common in the DR). Unprotected anal sex is another story. Same with protected anal sex with an HIV positive woman.

But if you are wrapped up and only have vaginal sex with DR putas there is very minute risk of HIV.

So most likely the cases of guys coming back to the first world having contracted HIV are probably very rare, like less than 1 in 10000 or something.

I have some girls in the interview stage. It is not Rio but dam I happy

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678475]The only time that has happened to me was last March in Santiago. It definitely was NOT the same girl as the fotos. I took her to the cabaa and fucked her anyway though. Then she wanted me to take pictures of her pussy and my dick in her pussy with her phone.[/QUOTE]Man it sounds like you would fuck anything that moves!

I'm sure she couldn't have been that bad, or you wouldn't of went with her.

But of course I could be wrong about that.

So this Chica wanted photo's of your dick as well.

I don't get requests like that.

You must be hung like a horse.

The Chicas do like swallowing my loads though.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1678484]I have some girls in the interview stage. It is Rio but dam I happy[/QUOTE]Is the first one from Puerto Plata / Sosua? Hard Knock (er) s!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678475]The only time that has happened to me was last March in Santiago. It definitely was NOT the same girl as the fotos. I took her to the cabaa and fucked her anyway though. Then she wanted me to take pictures of her pussy and my dick in her pussy with her phone.[/QUOTE]Your dick was in her pussy with her phone?

If you find a watch and some car keys up there, let me know where I can pick them up. LOL.

[QUOTE=Onibmab;1678480]A lot of STDs many times have no noticeable symptoms, including Herpes. Someone who sport fucks and receives BBBJ and does DATY on 10 girls in Sosua is essentially guaranteed to have HSV-1 or HSV-2 or some other infection. But if they get a cold sore or their dick is on fire after their trip they aren't going to come on here and fess up to that LOL. If someone wants to make out with a Sosua puta that is their prerogative, I guess. You are not going to die from having a cold sore anyway.

HIV prevalence in the DR is about %1 - but gay Dominicanos / sanky pankys probably take up a significant chunk of that. Most guys in the board are probably straight. So that makes it much safer for them immediately. A low estimate would be that around %. 5 of the women in Sosua are HIV positive. That is 1 in 200. Stats are probably pretty difficult because it probably varies by region. Haitian chicas are probably also somewhere around %1 chance of being HIV positive. This is basically the low end of stats found in a few minutes of Googling UN HIV stats.

But, even if you have bareback vaginal sex with an HIV positive woman that doesn't necessarily mean you will get HIV. Especially if she knows her status and takes medication (although that might be less common in the DR). Unprotected anal sex is another story. Same with protected anal sex with an HIV positive woman.

But if you are wrapped up and only have vaginal sex with DR putas there is very minute risk of HIV.

So most likely the cases of guys coming back to the first world having contracted HIV are probably very rare, like less than 1 in 10000 or something.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Food for thought.

Maybe mongers have built up immunity over time. I know I've been lucky.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678439]I've had at least half a dozen women come from PP to meet up with me in Sosua. I would estimate that at least one half of the girls working in Sosua come from the PP area, so why do you consider this importing a Chica. If upon meeting things don't seem like there going to work out give her 300 Pesos which will pay for the public taxi round-trip and a beer.

I typically meet the girls that come to meet me from PP at the public taxi stand in Sosua. If I like what I see I then take them to either Sinatras or Baileys for a drink and the interview. If they fail the interview I give them some pesos to cover their travel expenses. If they pass we end up in my room.

I made the mistake once of having a Chica I had never met before come directly to the hotel. When she got off the Moto-Concho she didn't look anything like her Photos. I gave her some Pesos to go away with no interview conducted. Other members should be aware if you meet someone online, and they only have photo's from the waist up or head shots, be warned they might have a figure you won't like.

I know you've been doing this longer than me as we have shared some similar experiences about this in the past.

Good Luck, she might turn out to be a keeper![/QUOTE]I can get turned on if I can observe a chick from a distance and she appeals. Brightly lit bars, strip clubs are OK, beach, even the street. The deal is half done before we talk.

Dark bars, massage parlours, escort ads, dating sites, where you can't see really inspect the merchandise are problematic for me, and best avoided.

First one from PP. Face could be better but the body rocks and she will give me what I want in bed. 2 is from SD. She is young and needs work. The other are ready for work but need closing. As opposed to trolling day time Sosua I can import semi pro talent. When they send sexy pictures you can go to the bank.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1678487]Is the first one from Puerto Plata / Sosua? Hard Knock (er) s![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1678295]You might want to start a new user thread for your report and just state upfront that you don't want any comments on it. People would probably respect that.

.....

Anyway, ISG should be happy with all posts, because they are getting unique copy posted for free by contributors.[/QUOTE]Frannie, I don't really need to start a user thread. Comments are always welcome and encouraged. It's the constant bickering that goes on here that turns people off. I know that people don't post for the reasons you stated. That is understood. But I know of more than a couple of members that don't post here because of the attacks. It is not necessary and it doesn't add to the flow of information. There will always be disagreement. Everybody does Sosua in a different way. But when that disagreement turns into constant hounding and then into attacks, that is where, in my opinion, the problem is. It discourages members from posting their reports.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1678503]First one from PP. Face could be better but the body rocks and she will give me what I want in bed. 2 is from SD. She is young and needs work. The other are ready for work but need closing. As opposed to trolling day time Sosua I can import semi pro talent.[/QUOTE]Are you going to the Sosua area exclusively, or are you going to be traveling around? I am thinking of doing an overnight to Santiago. I have a few DC contacts there that I would like to check out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678486]...So this Chica wanted photo's of your dick as well.[/QUOTE]I had a chick on Dominican Cupid send me pics of her getting fucked. We had talked on and off for a couple of days. "Hola. Como estas? Te quiero. " Shit like that. Then the conversation started heating up. She told me she was willing to do whatever I wanted. She sent me the pics as proof. I guess she needed somebody to put his dick in her and take the photo in order to be able to send me (and everyone else she was trying to snag) some proof.

Santiago has the best looking women in the DR. On my last trip I shared a pizza with 4 Santiago girls. They were friends who came to Sosua together. Each was 8 or better. I plan to run into them again. I tend not to go after the real pretty girls. This trip I going after the the drop dead girls. I never think they will be good in bed. In truth meeting girls on the stroll is as bad as it gets. There is no fantasy. If the girls can pretend they are not putas the rules are different. I prefer the ladies come to me. Gives me the upper hand. When I have the time I love to visit other cities. Doing a day trip with my 2 friends might be a good idea.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1678505]Are you going to the Sosua area exclusively, or are you going to be traveling around? I am thinking of doing an overnight to Santiago. I have a few DC contacts there that I would like to check out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1678508]I had a chick on Dominican Cupid send me pics of her getting fucked. We had talked on and off for a couple of days. "Hola. Como estas? Te quiero. " Shit like that. Then the conversation started heating up. She told me she was willing to do whatever I wanted. She sent me the pics as proof. I guess she needed somebody to put his dick in her and take the photo in order to be able to send me (and everyone else she was trying to snag) some proof.[/QUOTE]I have never had a DC Chica send me pics of them getting fucked as I am an ugly old fart. However you must be a "babe magnet" as she sounds like she really wants to hump you.

All kidding aside, caution with this one, she's going to want lot's of Pesos for her services.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1678526]Santiago has the best looking women in the DR. I prefer the ladies come to me. Gives me the upper hand. When I have the time I love to visit other cities. Doing a day trip with my 2 friends might be a good idea.[/QUOTE]They also have the lightest skinned Chicas as well.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1678505]Are you going to the Sosua area exclusively, or are you going to be traveling around? I am thinking of doing an overnight to Santiago. I have a few DC contacts there that I would like to check out.[/QUOTE]I do not know how many times you have been to Sosua but Santiago is definitely worth visiting (staying a few days as well) as is indeed the island. I cannot take the capital as it is like all large cities. Santiago is relatively smaller and allows you access to other cities around, I have so far not seen the east and mostly because those are all geared towards tourists which I avoid like the plague. Any place on the island, with a little bit of mastery of the language, grace and time, you can get lucky. This is speaking from experience. Enjoy your upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1678529]I have never had a DC Chica send me pics of them getting fucked as I am an ugly old fart. However you must be a "babe magnet" as she sounds like she really wants to hump you.

All kidding aside, caution with this one, she's going to want lot's of Pesos for her services.[/QUOTE]That was her idea. She was promoting her services and basically the fee would be discussed when we got there. I figured that was the deal when I saw her profile. Her profile pics were provocative, to say the least. I probably won't contact her when I get there though. Hardcore chicks are very easy to find and I know she will charge a premium and won't deliver.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1678541]I do not know how many times you have been to Sosua but Santiago is definitely worth visiting (staying a few days as well) as is indeed the island. I cannot take the capital as it is like all large cities. Santiago is relatively smaller and allows you access to other cities around, I have so far not seen the east and mostly because those are all geared towards tourists which I avoid like the plague. Any place on the island, with a little bit of mastery of the language, grace and time, you can get lucky. This is speaking from experience. Enjoy your upcoming trip.[/QUOTE]I went to Santiago with my ex just before we divorced, almost 20 years ago now (boy how time flies when you're having fun). I am sure the place is completely different now, but I am a fluent Spanish speaker and I am expecting to have a nice time. I love every aspect of traveling, of exploring, of meeting new people, eating different foods, the sights, sounds, and feeling of new places. I have no definite plans, but there seems to be a high concentration of pretty Santiago girls on DC so that is probably where I will go.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1678640]I went to Santiago with my ex just before we divorced, almost 20 years ago now (boy how time flies when you're having fun). I am sure the place is completely different now, but I am a fluent Spanish speaker and I am expecting to have a nice time. I love every aspect of traveling, of exploring, of meeting new people, eating different foods, the sights, sounds, and feeling of new places. I have no definite plans, but there seems to be a high concentration of pretty Santiago girls on DC so that is probably where I will go.[/QUOTE]Whoa, given that you are fluent in Spanish, I think, it would make more sense to go and explore the island, rather than stay put in Sosua. I mean, catching a fish is not that hard elsewhere. Even more so, as you are acclimated to the idea of novelty. People, cuisine and also have some introductions. Dominican food, I discovered to my surprise in excellent and I enjoy a cigar after a good meal there, even though I am not a smoker. Enjoy and share your experiences.

Sosua is for quick mongering. Many of the veteran guys look down on it because they have the time and skill set to glean from other locations. However if your time and language skills are not up to speed then Sosua is the answer. The average monger does not have time for all the small talk. Milking Sosua chicas for more then a quicky is a skill that takes developing. Like going to a ghetto market to buy the components for a goumet meal. I usually have a week which is not enough time for searching. This leaves me two options. Sport fucking in Sosua or wifing up with a chica I know. Often I try to do both which is possible because Sosua burns you out after 3 or 4 days I think we are very fortunate to have Sosua. While other destinations may have better talent the low cost of Sosua trumps everything. I can do a week there for what airfare cost to Rio, Thailand or the PI. 20 year old pussy consistently makes my day. So to you newbies full speed ahead. You can not go wrong in Sosua.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1678897]Sosua is for quick mongering. ... You can not go wrong in Sosua.[/QUOTE]I agree that Sosua is great for quick and easy mongering. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is basically one kind of mongering. You don't like Rumbas, you go to Classicos. You don't like Classicos, you go to the Winner's Circle, or Bar Central, etc. They are all basically bars. Sosua would be unbeatable if there were other options.

The thing I like about Thailand is that there are so many options and variations. If I want a quick blowjob I go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or Star of Light. I want a threesome, I go to Eden Club. If I want a good massage with extras, I like to go to places like Sabai Sabai or any one of a million other places. PSE can be had at Snow White, Tulips, or Annie's. Eastern European and African girls are available near the Grace Hotel. If I want to hit a bar, there are plenty where girls are available. GoGo bars are everywhere, and the "Massage" super-complexes are absolutely incredible with 50-100 girls on display at any given time.

If they had any places like these in Sosua, I would probably be there every other week.

The beaches in the Dominican Republic are great though. One of the highlights of my last trip was getting up in the morning, taking a short walk to a pristine (in my eyes) beach, and having the place pretty much to myself. I encountered very few people in any of the beaches while I was there. The only kind of crowded beach was in Cabarete on St. Patrick's Day. And that was an awesome day.

One correction from Part 1: When I left the Samba Bar I went back to Europa and picked up my car to drive it to the strip. I parked it in front of New Garden.

I went up to the window and paid my 200 pesos to get into Clasico and went upstairs. I walked around to the back bar and got a Cuba Libre. I walked down to the dance floor and stood next to the speaker where I met 2 nice chicks. I was having such a good time talking to them but the CLs were catching up to me so I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I told them I would be right back.

After leaving the bathroom I stopped by the bar once again for another CL. I also decided to buy a beer for each of the girls. As I walked back down the steps I saw the one I wouldn't have chosen hugged up with a guy. I handed her one of the beers and asked where her friend was. She said that she did not know. I went back down to the speaker and there was a tall redbone standing there this time. With a CL in one hand and a Presidente in the other, I struck up a conversation with her. Probably 30 seconds into the conversation I asked her how much she wanted for the night. She said 3000. I immediately countered with 2000. She said okay. I smiled and nodded my head slowly and handed her the beer that I had bought for the other girl.

While we were talking the other girl walked by. I asked her where she had gone because I had bought her a beer earlier and she wasn't there to get it when I got back. I told her to wait while I went to buy another for her. I came back and gave her the beer and wished her a good night. Meanwhile the redbone had sat her beer on the speaker and soon knocked it over. There were a couple of brothers from Chicago standing at a table behind us and one ran to the bar to get some napkins. I told him thanks and asked what he was drinking on. He said Absolut and cran. I went to the bar and bought him what he was drinking for 300 pesos and bought another beer for the redbone for 100 pesos. I had about 700 pesos left in my pocket.

Soon after that the music stopped and the lights came on. The club was closing. We stayed another 10 minutes after that. I told my girl that I wanted to check out After 1. She said no and that we would be going to the hotel. I started begging her to go to After 1. I told her that I had never been there so let's just go for 5 minutes or so. She refused saying that we would be going directly to the hotel. That was my last memory of that night. I woke up ass nekkit and discombobulated around 10 am.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678938]One correction from Part 1: When I left the Samba Bar I went back to Europa and picked up my car to drive it to the strip. I parked it in front of New Garden.

I went up to the window and paid my 200 pesos to get into Clasico and went upstairs. I walked around to the back bar and got a Cuba Libre. I walked down to the dance floor and stood next to the speaker where I met 2 nice chicks. I was having such a good time talking to them but the CLs were catching up to me so I excused myself to go to the bathroom. I told them I would be right back.

When I left out the bathroom I stopped by the bar once again for another CL. I also decided to buy a beer for each of the girls. As I walked back down the steps I saw the one I wouldn't have chosen hugged up with a guy. I handed her one of the beers and asked where her friend was. She said that she did not know. I went back down to the speaker and there was a tall redbone standing there this time. With a CL in one hand and a Presidente in the other, I struck up a conversation with her. Probably 30 seconds into the conversation I asked her how much she wanted for the night. She said 3000. I immediately countered with 2000. She said okay. I smiled and nodded my head slowly and handed her the beer that I had bought for the other girl.

While we were talking the other girl walked by. I asked her where she had gone because I had bought her a beer earlier and she wasn't there to get it. I told her to wait while I went to buy another for her. I came back and gave her the beer and wished her a good night..[/QUOTE]Your losing it here Mr. E, two trip reports with no happy endings to report, or perhaps the "redbone" stripped you naked in your hotel room, pummeled you, hence you became discombobulated and left in a trance not remembering anything.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678938]Soon after that the music stopped and the lights came on. The club was closing. We stayed another 10 minutes after that. I told my girl that I wanted to check out After 1. She said no and that we would be going to the hotel. I started begging her to go to After 1. I told her that I had never been there so let's just go for 5 minutes or so. She refused saying that we would be going directly to the hotel. That was my last memory of that night. I woke up ass nekkit and discombobulated around 10 am.[/QUOTE]Damn closing time. I remember many.

You're drunk, but you ain't finished yet and the blinding lights go up and the chairs are going up on the tables. The staff come over and politely "Sir" ask you to finish your drink. You're looking for the chick that you've been buying drinks for all night, but she's disappeared.

"And it's partner found, it's partner lost.
And it's hell to pay when the fiddler stops.
It's CLOSING TIME"

(Cohen, YouTube)

[QUOTE=OldKool;1678484]I have some girls in the interview stage. It is not Rio but dam I happy[/QUOTE]Those are some nice knockers, Old Kool. I hope she got the job!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678938]That was my last memory of that night. I woke up ass nekkit and discombobulated around 10 am.[/QUOTE]WOW!

A member of considerable experience should know better. Tip to all newbies never ever get drunk in foreign countries. It does not matter who pushes the drinks on you. If you want to drink to oblivion stay in the room and get drunk preferably with a girl you can trust. We do not go to other countries to get drunk like some 18 year old who can drink there legally.

Lots of bad things can happen when your judgement is impaired. I remember having to bail out some of my friends when they got drunk. Trust no fly by night girls to protect you.

Yes in some places it is obligatory to buy a drink but it is your decision to finish the drink or not. If you are getting drunk get some coffee to wake you up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1678938]I told her that I had never been there so let's just go for 5 minutes or so. She refused saying that we would be going directly to the hotel. That was my last memory of that night. I woke up ass nekkit and discombobulated around 10 am.[/QUOTE]You should marry that chica if she did not elope with the contents of your wallet.

[URL]http://www.hobotraveler.com/plan-trip/dominican-republic-is-dangerous-why-africa-is-safer.php[/URL]

I have been planning a trip to DR for several months. Had trouble with my bidnez here in US and been delayed. Now back on track to go. Came across this video that.

Made me concerned. L.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1679223][URL]http://www.hobotraveler.com/plan-trip/dominican-republic-is-dangerous-why-africa-is-safer.php[/URL]Came across this video that.

Made me concerned. L.[/QUOTE]Yes, better just go to Africa.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1679223][URL]http://www.hobotraveler.com/plan-trip/dominican-republic-is-dangerous-why-africa-is-safer.php[/URL]

I have been planning a trip to DR for several months. Had trouble with my bidnez here in US and been delayed. Now back on track to go. Came across this video that.

Made me concerned. L.[/QUOTE]Aside from the advertised underwear being a little tight around the crotch, I wouldn't worry.

The rest was a mindless rant, best ignored.

[QUOTE=David_33;1679232]Yes, better just go to Africa.[/QUOTE]West Africa was last year. [URL]http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=motorcycling[/URL]+in+Ghana, and it was a little rough, but had fun.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1678903]I agree that Sosua is great for quick and easy mongering. The only thing I don't like about it is that it is basically one kind of mongering. You don't like Rumbas, you go to Classicos. You don't like Classicos, you go to the Winner's Circle, or Bar Central, etc. They are all basically bars. Sosua would be unbeatable if there were other options.

The thing I like about Thailand is that there are so many options and variations. If I want a quick blowjob I go to or Star of Light. I want a threesome, I go to Eden Club. If I want a good massage with extras, I like to go to places like Sabai Sabai or any one of a million other places. PSE can be had at Snow White, Tulips, or Annie's. Eastern European and African girls are available near the Grace Hotel. If I want to hit a bar, there are plenty where girls are available. GoGo bars are everywhere, and the "Massage" super-complexes are absolutely incredible with 50-100 girls on display at any given time.

If they had any places like these in Sosua, I would probably be there every other week.

The beaches in the Dominican Republic are great though. One of the highlights of my last trip was getting up in the morning, taking a short walk to a pristine (in my eyes) beach, and having the place pretty much to myself. I encountered very few people in any of the beaches while I was there. The only kind of crowded beach was in Cabarete on St. Patrick's Day. And that was an awesome day.[/QUOTE]You're comparing two different worlds, even though both are great for mongering. Thailand is maybe 10 x the size of DR? Maybe 6-7 x the population? You cannot compare Sosua to Bangkok or Pattaya, the latter are bigger (especially Bangkok) in multiple ways and therefore will offer more options. If you live in North America, Sosua is quite convenient and only a few hours by flight compared to Thailand which takes me one full day to get to from where I am. It also costs 3-4 x as much to fly there. I love Thailand as well, but if I really wanted to. I could be in DR tomorrow morning / afternoon, bang at least a few attractive women (and get GFE) over 24-48 hours, and be back at work Monday morning. Without breaking the bank. If I leave for Thailand tomorrow morning, unless my flight is filled with thai hookers willing to fuck me at 35,000 feet. I'm not even going to arrive there until Monday morning.

And for many people, the convenience and cost factor wins out. If you have 7-10+ days, and can adjust to jetlag quickly. Thailand is fantastic and you have many options. Chances are you won't get bored with so much to do / see. But for some quick weekend mongering, it doesn't get much better than Sosua when you are in North America.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1679278]You're comparing two different worlds[/QUOTE]I'm not really comparing the two. Both places are completely different. What I meant was that I wish Sosua had other options besides bars. The massage places in Sosua aren't that great and the mileage isn't that high. Sosua could use a good Gogo bar where the girls were available for takeout. I avoid beer bars in Bangkok because that's not my type of place. Beer Bars are just about all that is available in Sosua besides picking up streetwalkers, which I also avoid while in Bangkok.

Sosua is fun. Girls are easy to pick up. There are plenty of girls to chose from and you are sure to find one that fits your needs. It is an inexpensive and quick trip as you point out. The beaches aren't that bad, either. That's why I am returning to Sosua. I just wish there were other options besides the bars, streetwalkers, and online girls.

After you listed all the Sosua benefits I was like yippee. I will take it. Sosua is not Rio or Bankok but dam is it convenient.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1679312]I'm not really comparing the two. Both places are completely different. What I meant was that I wish Sosua had other options besides bars. The massage places in Sosua aren't that great and the mileage isn't that high. Sosua could use a good Gogo bar where the girls were available for takeout. I avoid beer bars in Bangkok because that's not my type of place. Beer Bars are just about all that is available in Sosua besides picking up streetwalkers, which I also avoid while in Bangkok.

Sosua is fun. Girls are easy to pick up. There are plenty of girls to chose from and you are sure to find one that fits your needs. It is an inexpensive and quick trip as you point out. The beaches aren't that bad, either. That's why I am returning to Sosua. I just wish there were other options besides the bars, streetwalkers, and online girls.[/QUOTE]

Go in the Cuba section to Havana look and see mr. G aka Rick James bitcha! wrote about his last trip to Cuba. Trip report coming very soon.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1679278]If you live in North America, Sosua is quite convenient and only a few hours by flight compared to Thailand which takes me one full day to get to from where I am. It also costs 3-4 x as much to fly there..[/QUOTE]Obviously if one lives on the West Coast near a big city it is cheaper to fly to Asia than from the East Coast. It takes me 14 hours to fly from SFO to Manila and another three to get to BKK if I go there. Plus a two hour shuttle ride to SFO from my hometown. With the shuttle and airfare it costs around $1300 and18 hours including check-in time to get to Manila if flying on Philippine Airlines direct. To get to Sosua from West Coast I fly to ATL for about $400 (7 hours), have to stay overnight there for $60 (8 hours), and fly into Santo Domingo on Delta for around $600 (3 hours) then bus it three hours to Sosua for a total of around $1200 and 21 hours. So, it actually takes me longer to get to Sosua for only $100 less. Still I want to go there to grab the big boobs that are scarce in PI.

Who did you book with?

I just used [URL]Kayak.com[/URL] last night and paid $488. Round trip from San Francisco to the Dominican Republic.

The draw back is the late night / morning lay over in New York, 12:30 am to 6:30 am, coming home.

I hope someone is renting cots at the airport.

[QUOTE=DCups;1679530]Obviously if one lives on the West Coast near a big city it is cheaper to fly to Asia than from the East Coast. It takes me 14 hours to fly from SFO to Manila and another three to get to BKK if I go there. Plus a two hour shuttle ride to SFO from my hometown. With the shuttle and airfare it costs around $1300 and18 hours including check-in time to get to Manila if flying on Philippine Airlines direct. To get to Sosua from West Coast I fly to ATL for about $400 (7 hours), have to stay overnight there for $60 (8 hours), and fly into Santo Domingo on Delta for around $600 (3 hours) then bus it three hours to Sosua for a total of around $1200 and 21 hours. So, it actually takes me longer to get to Sosua for only $100 less. Still I want to go there to grab the big boobs that are scarce in PI.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1679539]Who did you book with?

I just used [URL]Kayak.com[/URL] last night and paid $488. Round trip from San Francisco to the Dominican Republic.

The draw back is the late night / morning lay over in New York, 12:30 am to 6:30 am, coming home.

I hope someone is renting cots at the airport.[/QUOTE]That IS an outstanding price. What airlines and is it straight to Sosua? Good luck finding something comfortable to sleep on for six hours in ANY airport.

[QUOTE=DCups;1679545]That IS an outstanding price. What airlines and is it straight to Sosua? Good luck finding something comfortable to sleep on for six hours in ANY airport.[/QUOTE]Oh, to answer your question, I had some free mileage on Southwest Airlines to Atlanta; and the flight from ATL to SDO was Delta.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1679223][URL]http://www.hobotraveler.com/plan-trip/dominican-republic-is-dangerous-why-africa-is-safer.php[/URL]

I have been planning a trip to DR for several months. Had trouble with my bidnez here in US and been delayed. Now back on track to go. Came across this video that.

Made me concerned. L.[/QUOTE]If that Hobotraveler guy thinks that the DR is the most dangerous country he has visited, why he keeps going there? Also, I think he does a lot of stupid things like after getting robbed by someone that breaks into his apartment, he runs naked to ask for help (at least put something on so you can be taken seriously) and instead run into the gang of the thief and consequently getting beat up. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4waPi9ldk_k[/URL].

Anyway, he keeps coming back every year. Why?

That is the to Santa Domingo.

United has flights to Sosua for around $576.

PS:
They let change my flight to New York, leaving S.D. in the morning. No extra charge. Yeah! Now I have walk around the airport for 6 hours in the daytime.
Maybe I can go see the Statue of Liberty.

[QUOTE=DCups;1679545]That IS an outstanding price. What airlines and is it straight to Sosua? Good luck finding something comfortable to sleep on for six hours in ANY airport.[/QUOTE]

I have spent time in several cities in the DR. I have never felt in any danger. I try not to put my self in a position to be concerned. This is prudent in any city in the world. Sosua by far a safe as can be. It is so small and easy to maneuver. I can not recall on this forum anyone being assaulted or threaten at gun point. Some of us have gotten drunk and put them selves in very vulnerable positions with little negative consequence. All this being said I am bias.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1679630]I have spent time in several cities in the DR. I have never felt in any danger. I try not to put my self in a position to be concerned. This is prudent in any city in the world. Sosua by far a safe as can be. It is so small and easy to maneuver. I can not recall on this forum anyone being assaulted or threaten at gun point. Some of us have gotten drunk and put them selves in very vulnerable positions with little negative consequence. All this being said I am bias.[/QUOTE]Like any other place there is always potential danger. Depends on how you deal with it. A long while ago I wrote about a monger called "Jerry" who had a bulls eye painted on the front of his shirt, because of his bullshit attitude towards the locals.

In a week everything that could happen to him, short of lasting physical damage, happened. Pickpocketed, assaulted by a chica, scammed by bartenders, and stiffed by putas, you name it.

We've all met guys like that, but I don't think the average monger has anything to worry about if he behaves reasonably, and keeps his powder dry.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1666965]This is your fourth trip to Sosua, right? To be honest, you should be way past such questions by now. You should already know that:

(1) There are always mongers around to chat with and, if you get on well, to do things with. Post on here the day before you arrive. If you have paid a subscription here you can communicate by PM.

(2) You are wise not to rent a car if you are not comfortable with doing so, but it is very cheap, easy and safe to visit neighboring towns and villages such as Puerto Plata, Cabarete, Montellano, Gaspar Hernandez, etc. , by public transport. And further afield if you want a whole day out, to Santiago or Rio San Juan. I was doing all that, and more, by my second trip and I was a decrepit old fart on a tight budget and minimal Spanish.

But don't fall into the trap of taking on a Dominican "guide" or using private taxis a lot or they will soon relieve you of most of your holiday cash.

I am guessing you will be better off and achieve more without your wingman. He seems to have been cramping your style.[/QUOTE]Hi Charles,

I'm heading to the Dominican for the 1st time got 5 nights in Blackbeard's then arrive in Sosua on Feb 28th staying until 9th March, would be up for maybe having a look further afield (give my cock and liver a rest for a day or 2) if you fancy meeting up let me know? I'm booked into the Casa Valeria.

[QUOTE=DCups;1679530]Obviously if one lives on the West Coast near a big city it is cheaper to fly to Asia than from the East Coast. It takes me 14 hours to fly from SFO to Manila and another three to get to BKK if I go there. Plus a two hour shuttle ride to SFO from my hometown. With the shuttle and airfare it costs around $1300 and18 hours including check-in time to get to Manila if flying on Philippine Airlines direct. To get to Sosua from West Coast I fly to ATL for about $400 (7 hours), have to stay overnight there for $60 (8 hours), and fly into Santo Domingo on Delta for around $600 (3 hours) then bus it three hours to Sosua for a total of around $1200 and 21 hours. So, it actually takes me longer to get to Sosua for only $100 less. Still I want to go there to grab the big boobs that are scarce in PI.[/QUOTE]You can save about $300 if you can fly to Miami or Orlando. Then take Jet Blue, spirit, or gol airline to Santo Domingo. But then again I don't know the price for flying to Miami or Orlando.

I think it is better to PM your specifics for your trip. I am going to be on the ground from the 4th to the 9th. How and why you do 5 days at BB is beyond me. I am bored shitless after two days. They may have 20 girls at a time max. Sosua has a couple hundred every night. No need for middle men. You will see me in classico's. The good looking older guy dancing his ass off. (hip hop and bachatta) what a combo.

[QUOTE=MarkAnthony40;1679688]Hi Charles,

I'm heading to the Dominican for the 1st time got 5 nights in Blackbeard's then arrive in Sosua on Feb 28th staying until 9th March, would be up for maybe having a look further afield (give my cock and liver a rest for a day or 2) if you fancy meeting up let me know? I'm booked into the Casa Valeria.[/QUOTE]

I woke up without a stitch of clothing on and had to get my bearings. I was in my hotel bed and there was a girl who was in the nude next to me as well. Now for what really matters. I find my pants and check my pocket for my phones. I wasn't thinking about the money because I didn't have that many pesos in my pocket to begin with. No phones. I go over to the safe. 2 phones, 700 pesos. Check. Everything is here. Don't know how my suitcase got in here but I'm glad it is. I went to the bathroom to brush my teeth and take a shower. I got out and went over to warm my girl up for freaky freaky. And good freaky freaky it was. When we finished I started asking questions. She said that I brought my own suitcase inside. As heavy as it was and up three flights of stairs, wow. I didn't remember a damn thing. Soon my girl said that she had to go back to her room but wanted to see me later. Well you can't see me later because I am leaving Sosua, but I will take you to your room (she lives in Santiago, but came to Sosua for a few days to get money) because I have to go to the bank anyway.

When we got outside I had no idea where the car was. She said you parked it right there. It was in the first parking spot next to the door, whereas I usually park on the street. We got in and headed to the bank. When we passed Rocky's I thought I saw Wrx inside. I went to the ATM and withdrew about 10000 pesos. When I got back into the car I put her 2000 pesos plus a 500 peso tip into her purse. She took it out to count it. I jumped in her shit. I said wait a fucking minute. Don't be counting the shit when I give it to you. What you don't trust me? I explained to her that I gave her extra because she reminded me of what Sosua used to be like (and at the same time thinking damn I'm glad this broad didn't rip me off.) I explained to her the differences between the girls when I first started coming 8 years ago and how they are now. She was a total GFE. When I dropped her off we traded numbers. I told her that whenever I am in Santiago I will call her to come spend time with me.

I circled back around to the beach to get some ribs at Big D's. WTF, Big D's is closed. (A few days later I read a post that said he had moved, however I walked down the entire beach yesterday and did not see a new location.) I had to go to Rocky's instead. Lo and behold, that was Wrx inside of Rocky's. I sat down and ordered my ribs and told him about my crazy night and morning before heading off to see my girl in Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1679956]I woke up without a stitch of clothing on and had to get my bearings. I was in my hotel bed and there was a girl who was in the nude next to me as well. Now for what really matters. I find my pants and check my pocket for my phones. I wasn't thinking about the money because I didn't have that many pesos in my pocket to begin with. No phones. I go over to the safe. 2 phones, 700 pesos. Check. Everything is here. Don't know how my suitcase got in here but I'm glad it is. I went to the bathroom to brush my teeth and take a shower. I got out and went over to warm my girl up for freaky freaky. And good freaky freaky it was. When we finished I started asking questions. She said that I brought my own suitcase inside. As heavy as it was and up three flights of stairs, wow. I didn't remember a damn thing. Soon my girl said that she had to go back to her room but wanted to see me later. Well you can't see me later because I am leaving Sosua, but I will take you to your room (she lives in Santiago, but came to Sosua for a few days to get money) because I have to go to the bank anyway.

When we got outside I had no idea where the car was. She said you parked it right there. It was in the first parking spot next to the door, whereas I usually park on the street. We got in and headed to the bank. When we passed Rocky's I thought I saw Wrx inside. I went to the ATM and withdrew about 10000 pesos. When I got back into the car I put her 2000 pesos plus a 500 peso tip into her purse. She took it out to count it. I jumped in her shit. I said wait a fucking minute. Don't be counting the shit when I give it to you. What you don't trust me? I explained to her that I gave her extra because she reminded me of what Sosua used to be like (and at the same time thinking damn I'm glad this broad didn't rip me off.) I explained to her the differences between the girls when I first started coming 8 years ago and how they are now. She was a total GFE. When I dropped her off we traded numbers. I told her that whenever I am in Santiago I will call her to come spend time with me.

I circled back around to the beach to get some ribs at Big D's. WTF, Big D's is closed. (A few days later I read a post that said he had moved, however I walked down the entire beach yesterday and did not see a new location.) I had to go to Rocky's instead. Lo and behold, that was Wrx inside of Rocky's. I sat down and ordered my ribs and told him about my crazy night and morning before heading off to see my girl in Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]She should have said but last night you said 4000 pesos and a tip. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1679956]I woke up without a stitch of clothing on and had to get my bearings. I was in my hotel bed and there was a girl who was in the nude next to me as well. Now for what really matters. I find my pants and check my pocket for my phones. I wasn't thinking about the money because I didn't have that many pesos in my pocket to begin with. No phones. I go over to the safe. 2 phones, 700 pesos. Check. Everything is here. Don't know how my suitcase got in here but I'm glad it is. I went to the bathroom to brush my teeth and take a shower. I got out and went over to warm my girl up for freaky freaky. And good freaky freaky it was. When we finished I started asking questions. She said that I brought my own suitcase inside. As heavy as it was and up three flights of stairs, wow. I didn't remember a damn thing. Soon my girl said that she had to go back to her room but wanted to see me later. Well you can't see me later because I am leaving Sosua, but I will take you to your room (she lives in Santiago, but came to Sosua for a few days to get money) because I have to go to the bank anyway.

When we got outside I had no idea where the car was. She said you parked it right there. It was in the first parking spot next to the door, whereas I usually park on the street. We got in and headed to the bank. When we passed Rocky's I thought I saw Wrx inside..[/QUOTE]Wow, you had us all worried here about you Mr. E, finally a "happy ending".

I want to make reservations for an Hotel there for a few days while I get my feet under me. Can anyone recommend a Girl Friendly Hotel for under 80 usd? Matum Hotel and Casino? that looks good.......may i bring my fiance to my room?.........once I meet her

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1680173]I want to make reservations for an Hotel there for a few days while I get my feet under me. Can anyone recommend a Girl Friendly Hotel for under 80 usd? Matum Hotel and Casino? that looks good.......may i bring my fiance to my room?.........once I meet her[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.hotelplatinord.com/[/URL]

Hotel Platino. Read my review 1. 5 month ago in the Santiago thread.

I wouldn't worry about making reservation. Just show up. With your fiance and her sisters and cousins.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1680185][URL]http://www.hotelplatinord.com/[/URL]

Hotel Platino. Read my review 1. 5 month ago in the Santiago thread.

I wouldn't worry about making reservation. Just show up. With your fiance and her sisters and cousins.[/QUOTE]Would you please post the url, if it is handy. L.

Face so so body off the charts. As soon as I get settled she is teed up. We have fully discussed my requirements. 23 days and counting.

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1680355]Would you please post the url, if it is handy. L.[/QUOTE]There is a thread:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?506-Santiago[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lonely566;1680355]Would you please post the url, if it is handy. L.[/QUOTE]There certainly IS a thread.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680445]Face so so body off the charts. As soon as I get settled she is teed up. We have fully discussed my requirements. 23 days and counting.[/QUOTE]You have to be kidding, she looks like she has the body of a linebacker!

I wouldn't be able to handle anything like that.

You better stay clear of her knockers cause they look like they could take your head off if you had a collision with one of them.

I can only imagine how big her booty is.

GrownMan has probably already sent you a PM begging you to share her with him!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680445]Face so so body off the charts. As soon as I get settled she is teed up. We have fully discussed my requirements.[/QUOTE]She is going to be hot shit once you shave that moustache for her.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1665009]There's a street in Guayaquil Ecuador, I forget the name, where you can get fucked for $ 6 including the room. I've been there and can attest to what MR. E stated in his post.[/QUOTE]I've been there and they raised it to 10 dollars LOL.

Built for sin.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680445]Face so so body off the charts. As soon as I get settled she is teed up. We have fully discussed my requirements. 23 days and counting.[/QUOTE]OlKool you make me wander sometimes about what you consider hot. I know its according to your taste, but you gave a chica a 11 on a scale of 1 to 10. That pushing pass the G-code. 11? Serena William is my ultimate body and she gets a 9 1/2. I am thinking about come to Sosua during your next visit. I want to see where the big homies head at.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680692]Built for sin.[/QUOTE]And jelly, and candi cotton and a lot of donuts. But we each have favors and likings.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680692]Built for sin.[/QUOTE]No Surf I love a nice six pack. Slender in the waise. Kool's chica isn't consider a track star. She more of the track.

This one not my type. WHAT makes girls hot is willingness. My girl will screw your brains out.

QUOTE=GrownMan1;1680699]No Surf I love a nice six.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1680587]

You better stay clear of her knockers cause they look like they could take your head off if you had a collision with one of them.

[/QUOTE]Well he isn't the only one who wants to be knocked out by knockers like that! I sure do, too!

I am not a guy who looks for big breasts but I do take a women as she comes. What ever her best asset is I work with it. I see guys going for these knockouts who won't fuck. Afraid to mess up their hair and makeup. I would much rather have a 6 who rocks your world then a 10 who just lays there. I pick my chicas based on chemistry. If we can vibe the face becomes less important or maybe more acceptable. The bottom line is the girl has to make the little man happy. If the dick is hard she works. Many of best sessions were with average looking girls with great atitudes.

[QUOTE=DCups;1680855]Well he isn't the only one who wants to be knocked out by knockers like that! I sure do, too![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680886]I am not a guy who looks for big breasts but I do take a women as she comes. What ever her best asset is I work with it. I see guys going for these knockouts who won't fuck. Afraid to mess up their hair and makeup. I would much rather have a 6 who rocks your world then a 10 who just lays there. I pick my chicas based on chemistry. If we can vibe the face becomes less important or maybe more acceptable. The bottom line is the girl has to make the little man happy. If the dick is hard she works. Many of best sessions were with average looking girls with great atitudes.[/QUOTE]Yes, that makes sense. For me, if she's got big boobs and likes to use them everything else becomes less important as long as she's not fugly.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1680609]She is going to be hot shit once you shave that moustache for her.[/QUOTE]Really? Perhaps it is having the mustache that makes her hot to others? Besides, why the criticism -Old Kool is not asking for anyone's opinion.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680886]I am not a guy who looks for big breasts but I do take a women as she comes. What ever her best asset is I work with it. I see guys going for these knockouts who won't fuck. Afraid to mess up their hair and makeup. I would much rather have a 6 who rocks your world then a 10 who just lays there. I pick my chicas based on chemistry. If we can vibe the face becomes less important or maybe more acceptable. The bottom line is the girl has to make the little man happy. If the dick is hard she works. Many of best sessions were with average looking girls with great atitudes.[/QUOTE]I have learnt in this days again that the girl's attitude is the most important. In Sosua are a lot of lazy chicas and low performers.

I've been to sosua many times now, Costa Rica, thailand, phillipines, Colombia, nicaragua, Bahamas, amsterdam. And I have never found such a cool little town as sosua. Where else in the world compares in your opinion? I especially like how everything is walking distance, cheap, beach, women, cool bars and restaurants. Feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1680815]This one not my type. WHAT makes girls hot is willingness. My girl will screw your brains out.

QUOTE=GrownMan1;1680699]No Surf I love a nice six.[/QUOTE]No quarrel with this OldKool, everybody tastes are different. I'm in Pattaya right now and if I showed you a picture of the girl that spent the night you wouldn't get near her with a ten foot pole. Totally the opposite of your beauty queen. No beard or goatee, thin as a rail, little titties, but she screwed the shit out of me just like your beauty queen is going to do you. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1680699]No Surf I love a nice six pack. Slender in the waise. Kool's chica isn't consider a track star. She more of the track.[/QUOTE]If you really want slender in the waist you need to get your butt to Thailand.

I just had some plans change in my DR trip. I decided not to wife up again but to rather wing it for this round. I will be hitting Boca Chica the 18th and 19th. Then onto Santiago where my "novia" is, but thought I'd like to drive to Sosua for a few nights also.

Hotels and nights spots from my fellow mongers would be appreciated. Also can any Seniors PM me their "whatsapp" info please. I'd like to have a contact to text in-case I have a question or two regarding locations and direction.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1681077]No quarrel with this OldKool, everybody tastes are different. I'm in Pattaya right now and if I showed you a picture of the girl that spent the night you wouldn't get near her with a ten foot pole. Totally the opposite of your beauty queen. No beard or goatee, thin as a rail, little titties, but she screwed the shit out of me just like your beauty queen is going to do you. It's all in the eyes of the beholder.[/QUOTE]Yes, it sure is. I think the traditional scale of 1-10 is pretty useless for that reason. I think women can be divided into five classes, and nearly all will fall into one of these:

Score 0. Not of any sexual interest at all. Too old, too fat, too ugly, your mother, whatever.

Score 1. You might have sex with her if she was your neighbour and there was nothing else available and she came on strongly to you, and you thought no one you know would ever find out.

Score 2. Acceptable, and in most circumstances you would be happy enough if she was willing to have sex with you without any effort on your part. The average suburban woman in the US would probably fall into this group.

Score 3. Definitely above average and would be of sexual interest to most men, but might not be your type, or might appeal strongly to a certain demographic or taste.

Score 4. Ay, sexy mama. You fantasize about her when you are alone and could fall in love under the right circumstances. When you see her you can't help holding her longer than necessary in your gaze, and if you go to her workplace for something and you don't see her, you feel disappointed.

Of course the scale is not objective and one man's 4 might be another man's 2 or 3.

Frannie you are a funny mf. But you are right. While down in Colombia last month me and my wingman would be walking down the street and he would be like damn dis you see her? I would be like who? It would always be a regular chick who I didn't even give a first look to, nevermind a second one.

It's pretty hilarious when you consider that when I met him in Rio back in 2003 we went to 4 X4 Termas together. We were fighting over the same chick. We ended up both going to the room with her at the same time. I finished up by skeeting in her mouth and face, then she tried to kiss him afterward.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1681324]Yes, it sure is. I think the traditional scale of 1-10 is pretty useless for that reason. I think women can be divided into five classes, and nearly all will fall into one of these:

Score 0. Not of any sexual interest at all. Too old, too fat, too ugly, your mother, whatever.

Score 1. You might have sex with her if she was your neighbour and there was nothing else available and she came on strongly to you, and you thought no one you know would ever find out.

Score 2. Acceptable, and in most circumstances you would be happy enough if she was willing to have sex with you without any effort on your part. The average suburban woman in the US would probably fall into this group.

Score 3. Definitely above average and would be of sexual interest to most men, but might not be your type, or might appeal strongly to a certain demographic or taste.

Score 4. Ay, sexy mama. You fantasize about her when you are alone and could fall in love under the right circumstances. When you see her you can't help holding her longer than necessary in your gaze, and if you go to her workplace for something and you don't see her, you feel disappointed.

Of course the scale is not objective and one man's 4 might be another man's 2 or 3.[/QUOTE]We all have a scale Frannie, and like you say it varies.

To me a 5 or under you wouldn't have sex with her under any circumstances.

6 or 7 you would fuck.

8 you would be keen to fuck.

9 If she passes you on the street you watch her til she goes out of sight.

10 You double back around the grocery aisle just to catch another look at her. And follow her out of the store. (discretely, of course)

11 Bad! She's so good she gets you depressed that you can never have her! (Jessie's Girl)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1681349]It's pretty hilarious when you consider that when I met him in Rio back in 2003 we went to 4 X4 Termas together. We were fighting over the same chick. We ended up both going to the room with her at the same time. I finished up by skeeting in her mouth and face, then she tried to kiss him afterward.[/QUOTE]Oh boy, I wouldn't want to be a fly on the wall seeing what happens between you and "others" in the room.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1681444]We all have a scale Frannie, and like you say it varies.

To me a 5 or under you wouldn't have sex with her under any circumstances.

6 or 7 you would fuck.

8 you would be keen to fuck.

9 If she passes you on the street you watch her til she goes out of sight.

10 You double back around the grocery aisle just to catch another look at her. And follow her out of the store. (discretely, of course)

11 Bad! She's so good she gets you depressed that you can never have her! (Jessie's Girl)[/QUOTE]These numbering systems are a bit to generic, most Chicas will fall into one of the following categories:

Big Booty- Boobs the size of twenty pound watermelons and / or butt cheeks the size of Pontoons. Unfortunately for those who do these from behind their dicks never really enter their pussies but just rub against their butt cracks.

Nasty- Unfettered access to all openings uncovered and they swallow.

Semi-Nasty- Same as above but no un-covered back-door activities.

Trophy Wives-Everything covered, no pussy touching or tit sucking and they constantly repeat the words " leche papi" after two minutes.

Skanks- They sit in bars all day, typically smoke, and have some or all of the above traits.

[QUOTE=Black43;1671051] but I have much to talk about my time there. Hopefully it would be of value to someone else reading this forum.
I will post my report well before the Superbowl weekend so you guys can have some tips before you go.

[/QUOTE]Ok playboy where's the trip report??

You did mean this year's Superbowl, right?

I use two scales. The first is the "0-5" scale:

0: A chica you would not fuck or eat.
1: A chica you would fuck but not eat.
2: A chica you would fuck or eat.
3: A chica you would eat and then fuck.
4: A chica you would fuck and then eat.
5: A chica you would eat after your buddy just fucked her.

A more subjective scale is the "Budweiser" scale, which is how many Clydesdales it would take to drag her off my face.

I been preaching this for years!! Especially in Colombia. Try to pick a girl that actually wants to party with you and fuck. It's that simple to having a good time!

I use to be big on dr but it's just to dark for me now. I like Colombia both Medellin and Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1680931]I have learnt in this days again that the girl's attitude is the most important. In Sosua are a lot of lazy chicas and low performers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1681079]If you really want slender in the waist you need to get your butt to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thats what scares me about Thailand "Butts" Es nessisito para Mi.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1680927]Really? Perhaps it is having the mustache that makes her hot to others? Besides, why the criticism -Old Kool is not asking for anyone's opinion.[/QUOTE]Relax we are Kool enough with Olkool to joke with him like that. No need to get defensive for Him.

On a scale of 1 to 10, this is how I rate my women:

1 - I would fuck her with the lights off.

2 - I would fuck her with the lights on and my eyes closed.

3 - I would fuck her, but only in a dark alley or dimly lit bar.

4 - I would fuck her with the lights on, but I won't really like it.

5 - I wouldn't mind fucking her.

6 - I would like to fuck her.

7 - I would like to take pictures / video of me fucking her.

8 - I would like my friends to take pictures / video of me fucking her.

9 - I would like to watch videos of her being fucked while I am fucking her.

10 - I would dream about fucking her even when I am not fucking her.

Basically, if she walks, talks, and breathes (although not necessarily all three), I would fuck her.

Yeah, I kinda feel sorry for people who have, like, standards and shit.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1681805]Relax we are Kool enough with Olkool to joke with him like that. No need to get defensive for Him.[/QUOTE]Evidently you did not get it. Mine was a tongue in cheek!

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1681830]Yeah, I kinda feel sorry for people who have, like, standards and shit.[/QUOTE]What is this word "standards"? Never heard of it.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1681825]Basically, if she walks, talks, and breathes (although not necessarily all three), I would fuck her.[/QUOTE]So seeing that you will do anything that has a "pulse" would you gargle with their douche water as well.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1681803]Thats what scares me about Thailand "Butts" Es nessisito para Mi.[/QUOTE]I'm here now and what really is scary are the lady-boys.

You can usually figure which ones are the lady-boys, but with some of them you cannot.

As a matter of fact, I know a guy who was here who was getting ready to take what he thought was a girl to the room but went into shock when the he / she informed him of what he was.

I know your a switch hitter GrownMan, so you should get your butt on a plane and dive into some of the pussy here.

The pussy here is not vertical but slanted in case you where wondering.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1681845]So seeing that you will do anything that has a "pulse" would you gargle with their douche water as well.[/QUOTE]I would swirl it around my mouth like a fine chardonnay.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1681849]dive into some of the pussy here.[/QUOTE]Say Hi to the girls at Snow White for me. Damn I miss Thailand. Still looking forward to my trip to the DR, though.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1681864]I would swirl it around my mouth like a fine chardonnay.[/QUOTE]Your a man of fine tastes!

Geez, P, according to your scale I am strictly 7's.

[QUOTE=Phuquer;1681825]On a scale of 1 to 10, this is how I rate my women:

1 - I would fuck her with the lights off.

2 - I would fuck her with the lights on and my eyes closed.

3 - I would fuck her, but only in a dark alley or dimly lit bar.

4 - I would fuck her with the lights on, but I won't really like it.

5 - I wouldn't mind fucking her.

6 - I would like to fuck her.

7 - I would like to take pictures / video of me fucking her.

8 - I would like my friends to take pictures / video of me fucking her.

9 - I would like to watch videos of her being fucked while I am fucking her.

10 - I would dream about fucking her even when I am not fucking her.

Basically, if she walks, talks, and breathes (although not necessarily all three), I would fuck her.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1681902]Geez, P, according to your scale I am strictly 7's.

.[/QUOTE]Yes I can't get past 7 either or below it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1681849]I'm here now and what really is scary are the lady-boys.

You can usually figure which ones are the lady-boys, but with some of them you cannot.

As a matter of fact, I know a guy who was here who was getting ready to take what he thought was a girl to the room but went into shock when the he / she informed him of what he was.

I know your a switch hitter GrownMan, so you should get your butt on a plane and dive into some of the pussy here.

The pussy here is not vertical but slanted in case you where wondering.[/QUOTE]I know you must be catching hell Surf. You like the manly Man to wax your board. It must be really confusing for you now. Its okay we understand sometimes you want to feel a nut and sometimes you don't.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1681849]I'm here now and what really is scary are the lady-boys.

You can usually figure which ones are the lady-boys, but with some of them you cannot.

As a matter of fact, I know a guy who was here who was getting ready to take what he thought was a girl to the room but went into shock when the he / she informed him of what he was.

I know your a switch hitter GrownMan, so you should get your butt on a plane and dive into some of the pussy here.

The pussy here is not vertical but slanted in case you where wondering.[/QUOTE]The ladyboys in Thailand are better looking than the real girls here in the usa!

When we arrived in Las Americas we went upstairs to exchange some money. There were 3 Haitian dudes in front of us in the line. When the last guy was at the window handling his business a Dominican guy came up and got behind him as if he was next. I asked my dad if he saw how that guy just cold got in front of us? He said yes. So the Haitian guy left and the Dominican made his way to the window. In a loud voice in Spanish I said, "What the hell is this? Excuse me!" The guy said I was next and asked the girl behind the window for confirmation. She said yes. I said hell no you were not. I have been waiting here. He moved out of the way in disappointment as if I was not going to call him out on his rudeness. The nerve of these damn people.

We went back downstairs to get the rental car and they tried to give me the Volkswagen. I remember from another time that the Volkswagen does not have an auxiliary jack and I have to have that for my music. She said that was the only car they had left in the class that I had booked. There were no more Kias or Chevys. She said that she could get me into a Honda Civic for $5 more/day or an SUV for $8 more. I went with the Honda. There was also a family of 5 there from somewhere in the US. They had booked a car for $186 for about a week. When they got through tacking on all the insurance the car was over $600. They were stunned but had no choice because they had to have the car. Later I slid them a note telling them that the credit card they booked on automatically carried insurance for the car rental. I don't know if they went back up to the desk and tried to rework the agreement or what.

We finally left Santo Domingo and headed up the toll road. In route I gave my dad a real (read: not the bs you hear in school) history lesson about the island and the Americas in general before and at the beginning of the colonial period. Right before we got to Nagua we were stopped by me and Gogo's buddy. I rolled down the window and shook his hand and said man you already know me. He said man it's my birthday. I said happy birthday and started laughing as I drove off. Guys don't let the cops intimidate you when you know you have done nothing wrong. When we reached Rio San Juan we pulled in and rode around the town to check out the honeys. And there were some nice ones. Dusk was approaching and I wanted to get to Sosua before night fall so I jumped back onto the main road and made a bee line. My dad told me that he had to take a wizz, so this being the DR I pulled over to the side of the road and let him have at it. We made it to Sosua in 3 hours and 17 minutes including the RSJ perusing.

We did a circle around town so I could show my dad an overview then we pulled up at Hotel Europa. Before, when I tried to make reservations they had wanted a 30% deposit to paypal which I never got back to Juana about. They only had one room available so I checked my dad into that one. She said there was another room booked, but the guy had not arrived yet. If he didn't make it by 8 pm then I could have the room. It was 6:30 then. We went up to Rocky's and had a bite to eat then back to the hotel. Luckily the guy had not checked in so I was able to get the room. The price was $45/night. I asked her what happened to $40. She said that it was now high season and it would be $40 again in April. I told her that from now on I wanted to make a reservation without a deposit. She said that now that she is able to put the email with the face and I won't be asked to pay a deposit for booking from now on.

The security guy took us to my room to make sure everything was working. When he turned my TV on he put it on the porno channel. My dad said that he wanted his set to the same channel so I did it later on when we went back up to his room. About 9:30 we walked up to Rumbas. There were some hoes in that house! [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2zJklwG_38[/URL]

We were able to get a couple of seats at the center of the bar. I flirted with a young chick who was at the table in front of me. She was with two girls, one appeared to be her twin sister but it was just her older sister. They asked me if I wanted happy hour. For some reason I liked the one that I liked and not her sister so I didn't want to entertain a happy hour. I got her number in order to get in touch with her later.

After a while of periodically mouthing "te quiero" to her I ordered a surprise beer for her and a Cuba libre for me. Before the drinks came the girls had walked off so I was stuck with a cold Presidente on my hands. My dad was busy entertaining the chick next to him. He bought her a beer and everything. I told him to be careful. You don't want to go buying stuff and taking up the time of a chick who you don't plan on taking. He said he would probably take her. I saw a chick to her left and called the chick over to me. She was one of the best chicks in the place and she was all over me trying to kiss on me and stuff. She was a yellow hammer from Santiago. I was getting good vibes from her. I handed her the beer that I had bought for the other chick and we went back over to her stool. I sat on it and she stood between my legs. I was in hog heaven with this stunner. There was a nice tall girl with glasses who came in and happened to be her friend. My dad said that he wanted that chick. I said that I did too. Me and my girl got down to negotiations. I asked her how much she wanted. She said 3000. I told her 2000. She said okay 2500. I said nope 2000. She said that I was going to make her upset. I said and? She said what do you mean by that? I said and so what if you are angry (thinking she is just a hooker)? She got mad and left me with my dick in my hand and went over to her friend with the glasses.

I told my dad that we should go check out Merengue and Clasico. He got the phone number of the girl he was with before we left. We stood out in front of Merengue but there were not many chicks walking back and forth. Maybe it was too early. We went inside and I snuck up behind my chick that works there to surprise her. I kept telling my dad how I should have gone with that chick for 2500. He said that she was the best thing in Rumba and sometimes you have to pay for what you want. I could not get her out of my head. My dad said that instead of going into Clasico that I should go back and see if the girl was still in Rumba. That was a great idea. As soon as we walked in I saw her sitting in my old seat. I approached her ready to give her the 2500 that she had asked. To my surprise the first thing that came out of her mouth was, "I want to go with your for 2000." What the fuck? This is my lucky day. I asked her how long she would stay. She said until 8 am because she had to go back to Santiago. It was only midnight then.

As soon as I turned about to leave out the door who do I run in to? Damn Wrx. I dapped him up and told him that I was on the way in with this chica and we would have to hook up the next day. He told me about a get together going on at the beach for the next afternoon at 1:30. I jotted the information in my phone and as I headed out I slid Juan the doorman (Tomjackin's buddy) 100 pesos. The chick turned out to be a damn good GFE.

P.S.: I just got to the Philippines so it may be a while before I am able to write up the rest of my trip.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1682222]When the last guy was at the window handling his business a Dominican guy came up and got behind him as if he was next. I asked my dad if he saw how that guy just cold got in front of us? He said yes. So the Haitian guy left and the Dominican made his way to the window. In a loud voice in Spanish I said, "What the hell is this? Excuse me!" The guy said I was next and asked the girl behind the window for confirmation. She said yes. [/QUOTE]Same thing happened to me first time I landed in Las Americas, except it was some old lady who cut in front of me at customs! I was next and standing behind the yellow line, this grandma saw the guy before me finished and slipped right on up! Smooth motherfucker. I yelled at her but the customs agent just had this bored look on his face.

[QUOTE]They had booked a car for $186 for about a week. When they got through tacking on all the insurance the car was over $600. They were stunned but had no choice because they had to have the car. Later I slid them a note telling them that the credit card they booked on automatically carried insurance for the car rental. [/QUOTE]Good tip, I asked you about this before. So I don't buy the extra shit for physical damage ("full coverage".) However, I still purchase liability insurance (about $9/ day) because a car can get totaled and I'd just max out at the value of the car. I hit and paralyze freaking Trujillo's grandson? I don't know how much I'd be on the hook for that. Sky's the limit.

[QUOTE]I approached her ready to give her the 2500 that she had asked. To my surprise the first thing that came out of her mouth was, "I want to go with your for 2000." What the fuck? This is my lucky day. [/QUOTE]This happened to me a couple of times, I think if the night was still young, the chica will hold out for a bit. I walked away and circled back, later in the night and they still had no takers, they'd agree to the lower amount.

[QUOTE]There were some hoes in that house! [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2zJklwG_38[/URL] [/QUOTE]Got to represent Baltimore. I like this one better. There's some wh0 res in this house! [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vlev_rfATI[/URL].

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1682254]Same thing happened to me first time I landed in Las Americas, except it was some old lady who cut in front of me at customs! I was next and standing behind the yellow line, this grandma saw the guy before me finished and slipped right on up! Smooth motherfucker. I yelled at her but the customs agent just had this bored look on his face.

Good tip, I asked you about this before. So I don't buy the extra shit for physical damage ("full coverage".) However, I still purchase liability insurance (about $9/ day) because a car can get totaled and I'd just max out at the value of the car. I hit and paralyze freaking Trujillo's grandson? I don't know how much I'd be on the hook for that. Sky's the limit.

This happened to me a couple of times, I think if the night was still young, the chica will hold out for a bit. I walked away and circled back, later in the night and they still had no takers, they'd agree to the lower amount.

Got to represent Baltimore. I like this one better. There's some wh0 res in this house! [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vlev_rfATI[/URL].[/QUOTE]Parkinsons,

Thanks for the house music from BMore. I was thinking of that song when I was listening to the down south version.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1682222]
......................P.S.: I just got to the Philippines so it may be a while before I am able to write up the rest of my trip.[/QUOTE]

What a life!

Thanks for the report Mr E. Sounds like business is more or less as usual.

And that's good!

I have been working Cupid a bit. I have nice girls lined up willing to come to meet me but I may not pull the trigger. It is a tough choice. Sport fucking until you drop or having girls who will bang your brains out like they are in love with you. The lazy man just uses the local talent and there is more than enough talent in Sosua. I tend to lean toward GFE and that is not easy to get in Sosua. Not just because the girls but most guys are playing a numbers game. The cupid girls provide DFK and dty. Two things I enjoy but reframe from with my sport girls.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1682623]I have been working Cupid a bit. I have nice girls lined up willing to come to meet me but I may not pull the trigger. It is a tough choice. Sport fucking until you drop or having girls who will bang your brains out like they are in love with you. The lazy man just uses the local talent and there is more than enough talent in Sosua. I tend to lean toward GFE and that is not easy to get in Sosua. Not just because the girls but most guys are playing a numbers game. The cupid girls provide DFK and dty. Two things I enjoy but reframe from with my sport girls.[/QUOTE]OldKool, are you fluent in Spanish? I am not but trying to learn and also hit on the DC chicas but so far I have not got a lot of replies from the really hot ones or busty ones. I know I can woo them if I learn some great phrases. Any recommendations? In person I can serenade and seduce with la guitarra and it works pretty well but I want to get some busty ones lined up for my arrival in June. Sosua. Santiago. And Santo Domingo. Two weeks total. Any recommendations appreciated.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1682623]I have been working Cupid a bit. I have nice girls lined up willing to come to meet me but I may not pull the trigger. It is a tough choice. Sport fucking until you drop or having girls who will bang your brains out like they are in love with you. The lazy man just uses the local talent and there is more than enough talent in Sosua. I tend to lean toward GFE and that is not easy to get in Sosua. Not just because the girls but most guys are playing a numbers game. The cupid girls provide DFK and dty. Two things I enjoy but reframe from with my sport girls.[/QUOTE]OldKool.

It's a no brainier choice, schedule the DC girls to meet you immediately upon arrival. If one of them works out, you can have all the GFE you can handle with the sport fucking as a back up when the DC girls aren't available or you desire something different for a change. This is pretty much how I roll in Sosua. Right now I'm in the LOS and it's a very different place than the DR to say the least!

[QUOTE=DCups;1682640]OldKool, are you fluent in Spanish? I am not but trying to learn and also hit on the DC chicas but so far I have not got a lot of replies from the really hot ones or busty ones. I know I can woo them if I learn some great phrases. Any recommendations? In person I can serenade and seduce with la guitarra and it works pretty well but I want to get some busty ones lined up for my arrival in June. Sosua. Santiago. And Santo Domingo. Two weeks total. Any recommendations appreciated.[/QUOTE]DCups,

Your going to have to some Spanish writing / comprehension skills or your going to have a hard time on the DC site. You don't need to be totally fluent but need to be lets say semi- fluent. Also a good way to interact with the DC Chicas is to chat with them on-line thru the DC dating site when they are on-line. They enjoy doing this and you can learn something about them and whether they will be willing to meet up with you.

Good luck!

Having some Spanish helps almost as much as having cash. Your money will say a lot. You can use google translate when talking on line or in the bedroom. Two weeks is a long time and you will need other activities other then banging the girls. If you are a novice I would consider Black Beards. It is a hotel Brothel for a newbie it is perfect. Most girls have enough English to make things easy for you. 2 or 3 nights there will take the edge off of you. I would then do some cupid girls. You can be patient with them because you fucked for 3 straight days and need to recharge. Only pick cupid girls who flirt and allow you to make subtle sexual advances. I usually have them meet me in SD if they live in another city. They are committing to sleeping in your bed. BINGO. I am never pushy with the girls and things seem to flow. Read some of Camaros reports. He has given great info on other cities in the DR. His info will be very helpful.

Finding a nice girl who wants you to be her boy friend can be big fun but can also be complicated. Be careful and try to be clear about what you want, After a week of BB and Cupid girls go back to Sosua and wild out. Your confidence will be high and you will have a great time. Do not over think things. The women are desparate for cash and will give try hard to make you happy.

[QUOTE=DCups;1682640]OldKool, are you fluent in Spanish? I am not but trying to learn and also hit on the DC chicas but so far I have not got a lot of replies from the really hot ones or busty ones. I know I can woo them if I learn some great phrases. Any recommendations? In person I can serenade and seduce with la guitarra and it works pretty well but I want to get some busty ones lined up for my arrival in June. Sosua. Santiago. And Santo Domingo. Two weeks total. Any recommendations appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1682222]
We went back downstairs to get the rental car and they tried to give me the Volkswagen. I remember from another time that the Volkswagen does not have an auxiliary jack and I have to have that for my music. She said that was the only car they had left in the class that I had booked. There were no more Kias or Chevys. She said that she could get me into a Honda Civic for $5 more/day or an SUV for $8 more. I went with the Honda. There was also a family of 5 there from somewhere in the US. They had booked a car for $186 for about a week. When they got through tacking on all the insurance the car was over $600. They were stunned but had no choice because they had to have the car. Later I slid them a note telling them that the credit card they booked on automatically carried insurance for the car rental. I don't know if they went back up to the desk and tried to rework the agreement or what.

.[/QUOTE]Why slide them a note? Why not just tell them while they were doing the paperwork so they wouldn't have paid the outrageous insurance price?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1682917]Why slide them a note? Why not just tell them while they were doing the paperwork so they wouldn't have paid the outrageous insurance price?[/QUOTE]Because you don't want to let the car company know that you are knocking their hustle. But at the same time you want to help the person being hustled. The car company will try and add every thing they can on your policy like its all required. They play and prey on the fact that the tourist doesn't know.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1682922]Because you don't want to let the car company know that you are knocking their hustle. But at the same time you want to help the person being hustled. The car company will try and add every thing they can on your policy like its all required. They play and prey on the fact that the tourist doesn't know.[/QUOTE]Why would you care if the rental agency knew that you were informed about your insurance coverage? What are they going to do? Get upset? So what. Why would anyone give a shit if the rental company was angry about the fact that you wouldn't let them rip you off? (just like Mr E wrote in his dealings with the girl in rhumbas when she said "You are going to make me upset". His response was perfect. "And?"

Just came back from Sosua after spending Friday and Saturday there. Had a young woman from Nagua visit me for the first day / night. Like most Dominican women, she is into dancing the various Latin dances and so I took her to Classic at 11 PM - 200 pesos for me to enter. I have practiced the Bachata. A rhythm I love. And wanted to try it out with this woman, who can do salsa, bachata, merengue and what have you. I thought it would be fun on the dance floor. By the time, it was mid night the place was quite full and I realized there were many rather attractive women, none of whom I have ever laid eyes upon on the street. Clearly these women, had other modus operandi.

As the music continued, I identified one Michael Jackson number which was nice to dance to and a couple of Bachata and Merengue numbers. None of which I was familiar with. I thought, I would wait a little longer. Certainly DR has a rich musical history and they would play the local music. Was I in for a surprise? By the time I left, around 2:15 AM, the dance floor was essentially cornered by a majority of single males, from someplace else, who were expressing themselves as they probably do in NYC / Chicago clubs to the tune of what is called music there. At a decibel level that made any conversation impossible (Indeed even when we got out, we could not hear each other well for a while). The pretty women were all stranded in the background in the dark, wondering how to dance their beautiful dances with the males to the rhythm of what is to me, neither poetry nor music. I can understand the dance hall wants to cater to the paying customer base but boy, am I out of that gawd awful place that has lost the grace?

[QUOTE=Bravo;1682928]Why would you care if the rental agency knew that you were informed about your insurance coverage? What are they going to do? Get upset? So what. Why would anyone give a shit if the rental company was angry about the fact that you wouldn't let them rip you off? (just like Mr E wrote in his dealings with the girl in rhumbas when she said "You are going to make me upset". His response was perfect. "And?"[/QUOTE]For one, what GrownMan said. For two, I rent there all the time, which means I have a business relationship with them that I don't want to fuck up. It's not just a one time hit it and quit it thing. For three, the car that I wrecked to the value of $6500 that was never paid was from them.

Besides, you don't walk into McDonald's and yell out that Burger King next door has cheeseburgers on sale for 5 pesos. It's just plain bad manners. The same way I fuck all those chicks for 2000 pesos for toda la noche and they don't want it to get into the next person's (guy or girl) ear. And this is cutting in on my next report: I was confirming the price with a girl in Rumba my second night and Wrx was right there where the girl's ear was. I was saying "So that is 2000 until tomorrow at 10 right?" loud on purpose so he could hear. The girl was trying to shut me up and telling me to keep it on the low low. When we got to the room she said you know too much. How do you know you can get a girl for 2000? I said because I'm not fool enough to pay more like these other guys around here. And I JUST started paying THAT much. I know the cost of living in DR. But to sum it up, the girls are going to come and go so who cares if they are pissed off; Budget is one of only a few games in town which means I will have to deal with them forever, so I'm not trying screw up my relationship with them by blatantly costing them business.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1682977]Just came back from Sosua after spending Friday and Saturday there. Had a young woman from Nagua visit me for the first day / night. Like most Dominican women, she is into dancing the various Latin dances and so I took her to Classic at 11 PM - 200 pesos for me to enter. I have practiced the Bachata. A rhythm I love. And wanted to try it out with this woman, who can do salsa, bachata, merengue and what have you. I thought it would be fun on the dance floor. By the time, it was mid night the place was quite full and I realized there were many rather attractive women, none of whom I have ever laid eyes upon on the street. Clearly these women, had other modus operandi.

As the music continued, I identified one Michael Jackson number which was nice to dance to and a couple of Bachata and Merengue numbers. None of which I was familiar with. I thought, I would wait a little longer. Certainly DR has a rich musical history and they would play the local music. Was I in for a surprise? By the time I left, around 2.15 AM, the dance floor was essentially cornered by a majority of single males, from someplace else, who were expressing themselves as they probably do in NYC / Chicago clubs to the tune of what is called music there. At a decibel level that made any conversation impossible (Indeed even when we got out, we could not hear each other well for a while). The pretty women were all stranded in the background in the dark, wondering how to dance their beautiful dances with the males to the rhythm of what is to me, neither poetry nor music. I can understand the dance hall wants to cater to the paying customer base but boy, am I out of that gawd awful place that has lost the grace?[/QUOTE]When I first started going to Sosua, bachata and meringue were heard everywhere, from the airport, in the cabs, and in the bars and on the beach.

Dancing to the local music was a feature of quite a few bars, and you didn't need to go to Classico to do it.

I remember the Happy Bar, where the NY Pizza is now. The barristas would take turns dancing with the patrons (and drinking with them too). They were semi pros, and would hang with us.

I learned to dance again there, and it was always a pleasure to see some local Dominicano showing off his moves with an enthusiastic partner, sometimes even my GF.

Some of those girls are still around town but scattered. One, ironically, is working in the same spot for NY Pizza!

Over the years I heard a lot of newbies complaining about that same old music that you heard everywhere, and now instead you hear NA stuff blasting out everywhere.

But to me something special is being lost.

To avoid Tempoecorto's bad experience, you could go to Rio Verde in Cangrejos. It is a dance-hall with a brothel attached so the clientele is mixed local couples and putas. The putas are to the Dominican taste (to put it diplomatically) but so is the music, mostly merengue, bachata and a bit of salsa. Too loud for me, but so are most places here, and the atmosphere is friendly. Ideal if you already have a chica with you as Tempo did.

I would expect there to be at least one similar place in Charamicos (which would be more handy), but in all my years here I have never seen one or read about one. Can someone help out on this?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1683180] But to me something special is being lost.[/QUOTE]That was my point. The beauty of the local cultural riches is being smothered and driven out by a variety of coarseness (sad to club it under north American music) that I for one, deplore but what the locals slowly fritter away by following the money. It was kind of bewildering to see a whole host of pretty and willing-to-dance women, mostly abandoned to themselves.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1682977]Just came back from Sosua after spending Friday and Saturday there. Had a young woman from Nagua visit me for the first day / night. Like most Dominican women, she is into dancing the various Latin dances and so I took her to Classic at 11 PM - 200 pesos for me to enter. I have practiced the Bachata. A rhythm I love. And wanted to try it out with this woman, who can do salsa, bachata, merengue and what have you. I thought it would be fun on the dance floor. By the time, it was mid night the place was quite full and I realized there were many rather attractive women, none of whom I have ever laid eyes upon on the street. Clearly these women, had other modus operandi.

As the music continued, I identified one Michael Jackson number which was nice to dance to and a couple of Bachata and Merengue numbers. None of which I was familiar with. I thought, I would wait a little longer. Certainly DR has a rich musical history and they would play the local music. Was I in for a surprise? By the time I left, around 2.15 AM, the dance floor was essentially cornered by a majority of single males, from someplace else, who were expressing themselves as they probably do in NYC / Chicago clubs to the tune of what is called music there. At a decibel level that made any conversation impossible (Indeed even when we got out, we could not hear each other well for a while). The pretty women were all stranded in the background in the dark, wondering how to dance their beautiful dances with the males to the rhythm of what is to me, neither poetry nor music. I can understand the dance hall wants to cater to the paying customer base but boy, am I out of that gawd awful place that has lost the grace?[/QUOTE]I am from North America, so that non poetic music you are talking about is my kind of music, but I agree with you 100% I fell in love with the sound of Bachata from my first trip back in 2006. Since then I have learned the language and learned how to dance. Dancing bachata has helped me get so much pussy here in the states. Now when I go to Sosua I am always looking for an opportunity to dance Bachata. Seeing the look on the chicas faces and hearing them say things like "Dale" and "El Tigere", when they see how well I dance Bachata is priceless. But as you mentioned, it is not very common to hear a lot of Bachata in Rumbas or Classicos these days. I always solve this little problem by telling a chica to request some Bachata. Then I ply the DJ with a drink or a small propina. This always gets the job done and I get to dance to my favorite songs. It goes a long way with the chicas. GFE is almost guaranteed. Guys-- some of you may have swag but you got to step your game up. You've learned they language. Now it's time to learn another aspect of the the culture. I will be in DR tomorrow and dancing bachata in SD, that's if the snow doesn't keep me grounded.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1683249]That was my point. The beauty of the local cultural riches is being smothered and driven out by a variety of coarseness (sad to club it under north American music) that I for one, deplore but what the locals slowly fritter away by following the money. It was kind of bewildering to see a whole host of pretty and willing to dance women. Mostly abandoned to themselves.[/QUOTE]Right on, Tempoecorto.

I believe that the ability to dance well to the local music is one of the three biggest secrets of success with chicas in DR. (the other two are money and language)

The chicas love that music, they start to move when they hear it. I lost count of all the CDS chicas have given me to bring home, over the years.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1683242]To avoid Tempoecorto's bad experience, you could go to Rio Verde in Cangrejos. It is a dance-hall with a brothel attached so the clientele is mixed local couples and putas. The putas are to the Dominican taste (to put it diplomatically) but so is the music, mostly merengue, bachata and a bit of salsa. Too loud for me, but so are most places here, and the atmosphere is friendly. Ideal if you already have a chica with you as Tempo did.

I would expect there to be at least one similar place in Charamicos (which would be more handy), but in all my years here I have never seen one or read about one. Can someone help out on this?[/QUOTE]Having spent a fair bit of time in Charamicos, Charles, there is no place like that, but there should be. Aside from the cockfights on a Saturday night, the action was more around the tiny bars and tiendas, especially on Domingo, where the whole town comes out to party.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1683280]The chicas love that music, they start to move when they hear it. [/QUOTE]I was in Santiago yesterday evening. Being carnival time, on a Sunday, there were zillions of people on the street for the festivities. All dancing to various rhythms. As they walked. Indeed seeing little kids to young teenagers. Dancing, was a little disconcerting but yes, dance and music is in their blood.

I am meeting with the 1st sister on a Saturday night and do not want to take her to Classicos. Neither of us need to see the parade of putas. She would be put off and I would be turned on. She taught me bachata. I.

Am very close to 60 but I still love to dance and like you guys have said the girls love to dance as well. I love Bachata and use it as an ice breaker for the ladies. They are often surprised with my dancing and sence my joy. I listen to Romeo Santos and Prince Royce when I hit the gym. Thanks for the jnfo on the local dance hall. Where is Cangrejos the Rio verde disco sounds perfect.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1683283]Having spent a fair bit of time in Charamicos, Charles, there is no place like that, but there should be. Aside from the cockfights on a Saturday night, the action was more around the tiny bars and tiendas, especially on Domingo, where the whole town comes out to party.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1683383]Where is Cangrejos the Rio Verde disco sounds perfect.[/QUOTE]Cangrejos is a village on the main road to Puerto Plata. The sequence when leaving from El Batey is:

Charamicos.

Sosua Abajo.

La Union.

The airport entrance.

The air base.

Cangrejos.

(next after Cangrejos would be Montellano).

So about 8 km from El Batey or twelve minutes drive.

Rio Verde is on the far side of Cangrejos. There is an iron bridge over the (well named) river as you leave "town". The dance-hall is immediately before the bridge to the right with a car park in front. Some (all?) of the putas live in a two-story block at the back of the car-park. I am told you can do them in their rooms, but even if I did find a rare diamond in the rough that would be too squalid for me.

Obviously it is on the publico route and the drivers all know it.

Could be dead midweek but lively enough on Sat and Sunday from about 8.00pm.

If you sit outside the main roof it is not as noisy, but then you do not get such a good view of the dancers. In summer when the water level is low the river can stink, but no problem in winter. Drinks cheaper than in Sosua but restricted choice of imported labels.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1683249]That was my point. The beauty of the local cultural riches is being smothered and driven out by a variety of coarseness (sad to club it under north American music) that I for one, deplore but what the locals slowly fritter away by following the money. It was kind of bewildering to see a whole host of pretty and willing-to-dance women, mostly abandoned to themselves.[/QUOTE]Nah it ain't that deep. Yet. You just went to the wrong place. You went to Classicos, in the middle of the strip in the middle of the town that makes money from tourists. If you had gone to one of those Italian restaurants or Rocky's would you think the Dominicans no longer eat mangu or salami or rice and beans, and are now only eating pastas and ribs? I went to a car wash in Nagua and all they played was bachata. The place would've revolted if someone put on a "North American" tune, be it Young Thug or Taylor Swift. On the other end of the spectrum, the expensive La Pasion night club in Santiago, all they played was Dominican music as well. Even by a live band. So local stuff is still alive and well, at places catering to locals.

Just what I needed. My date and I love Latin dancing. My girl is not a stunner g but she excites me in bed she has a tough life. I want tov give her a night to remember and then the day in the beach at cabereti.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1683473]Cangrejos is a village on the main road to Puerto Plata. The sequence when leaving from El Batey is:

Charamicos.

Sosua Abajo.

La Union.

The airport entrance.

The air base.

Cangrejos.

(next after Cangrejos would be Montellano).

So about 8 km from El Batey or twelve minutes drive.

Rio Verde is on the far side of Cangrejos. There is an iron bridge over the (well named) river as you leave "town". The dance-hall is immediately before the bridge to the right with a car park in front. Some (all?) of the putas live in a two-story block at the back of the car-park. I am told you can do them in their rooms, but even if I did find a rare diamond in the rough that would be too squalid for me.

Obviously it is on the publico route and the drivers all know it.

Could be dead midweek but lively enough on Sat and Sunday from about 8.00pm.

If you sit outside the main roof it is not as noisy, but then you do not get such a good view of the dancers. In summer when the water level is low the river can stink, but no problem in winter. Drinks cheaper than in Sosua but restricted choice of imported labels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1683478] So local stuff is still alive and well, at places catering to locals.[/QUOTE]You might very well be right, certainly so w. Are. T the island. I was merely speaking of this specific town and a specific dance hall in comparison to my foray last time I was inside, several years back. It had a North American flair then too, but certainly not so New York. Is that I found this time.

BTW, presidentes (small): 150 pesos, Jose Cuervo (cheaper one) Tequila shot - 300 pesos. If I recall, last time, an entry used to entitle to one free drink. Perhaps it still does, but no one told me about it.

Give me your score s.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1683802]Give me your score s.[/QUOTE]By shooting the pictures from that angle, she is hoping to minimize the protruding belly she has. She is decent, 7 maybe.

8 face? On body. I really can't see that ass jumping out those shorts.

One thing is for sure: She is taking the picture using the reflection of the mirror that is on the ceiling in a cabaña.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1683802]Give me your score s.[/QUOTE]An inverted 9 maybe. Where are all of these Haitians that you claim to be doing?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1683802]Give me your score s.[/QUOTE]I checked with the IHR.

She's a certified 7.5

[QUOTE=OldKool;1683802]Give me your score s.[/QUOTE]Solid 9. Very nice. How old is she?

Lily more.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1684228]Lily more.[/QUOTE]Fake ass alert.

This little number is hotter then July.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1684254]Fake ass alert.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1684228]Lily more.[/QUOTE]Did I say 7. 5?

Make that an 8.

For four weeks. I will be in Santo Domingo for a few nights, ten nights in Sosua, then to some beach on the south shore (maybe Bararhona) for ten nights, and the then back to Santo Domingo. I am an older man who would like to have a female companion in Sosua- slender, and seductive. I like to swim at the excellent swimming beach in Sosua, so I want a chica who looks great in a bikini. I have already made contact with a number of women on Dominican Cupid, but I really would like to find a women who is not only attractive, but knows how to excite a man.

I speak pretty good Spanish, and prefer a woman with no (or little) English.

Any recommendations will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=PvrFederico;1684770]For four weeks. I will be in Santo Domingo for a few nights, ten nights in Sosua, then to some beach on the south shore (maybe Bararhona) for ten nights, and the then back to Santo Domingo. I am an older man who would like to have a female companion in Sosua- slender, and seductive. I like to swim at the excellent swimming beach in Sosua, so I want a chica who looks great in a bikini. I have already made contact with a number of women on Dominican Cupid, but I really would like to find a women who is not only attractive, but knows how to excite a man.

I speak pretty good Spanish, and prefer a woman with no (or little) English.[/QUOTE]If your looking for women who speak little or no Spanish you've come to the right place. Don't dismiss the DC girls as there are plenty of them who of look good in bikinis and will know how o push your buttons.

[QUOTE=PvrFederico;1684770]but I really would like to find a women who is not only attractive, but knows how to excite a man.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, what may excite you, may render me completely flaccid so I do not know how anyone other than you can really have the answer to your query.

Looking for "no-English" is certainly a good move, in that, you know the persons have not been in the trade for too long. I also would like you to know the girls there cannot swim so they may look good on the beach but you have to drag them to water if at all.

Based on my recent experience (I saw a whole bunch of attractive women at the Classic disco last week. It was a Friday night), you may want to fish there rather than on the street. The pool seemed large (you have a better chance if you shoot for the VIP tables. Women were ogling that area and if anyone catches your fancy, have them called by the waiters / security guys) and you should be able to have several contacts that might enable you various tryouts over the time you plan to spend in Sosua.

Good luck!

[QUOTE=PvrFederico;1684770]For four weeks. I will be in Santo Domingo for a few nights, ten nights in Sosua, then to some beach on the south shore (maybe Bararhona) for ten nights, and the then back to Santo Domingo. I am an older man who would like to have a female companion in Sosua- slender, and seductive. I like to swim at the excellent swimming beach in Sosua, so I want a chica who looks great in a bikini. I have already made contact with a number of women on Dominican Cupid, but I really would like to find a women who is not only attractive, but knows how to excite a man.

I speak pretty good Spanish, and prefer a woman with no (or little) English.

Any recommendations will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]You are going to a good place to possibly fill your requirements.

But you are going to have to do most of the work yourself.

"Seductive", looking "great in a bikini", "attractive", and knowing how to "excite" you are all subjective terms, and our members would not agree on one benchmark for any one of the above.

So, if you read the forum, you will see, that there are a lot of comments like, "to each his own", "whatever turns you on", and the old standby, "your milieage may vary".

Just go bravely into the dark night, and see what you find. Tell us about it here.

Good hunting!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1685358]With all due respect, what may excite you, may render me completely flaccid so I do not know how anyone other than you can really have the answer to your query.

Looking for "no-English" is certainly a good move, in that, you know the persons have not been in the trade for too long. I also would like you to know the girls there cannot swim so they may look good on the beach but you have to drag them to water if at all.

Based on my recent experience (I saw a whole bunch of attractive women at the Classic disco last week. It was a Friday night), you may want to fish there rather than on the street. The pool seemed large (you have a better chance if you shoot for the VIP tables. Women were ogling that area and if anyone catches your fancy, have them called by the waiters / security guys) and you should be able to have several contacts that might enable you various tryouts over the time you plan to spend in Sosua.

Good luck![/QUOTE]Hi T, I will definitely go to Clasicos and follow your advice in June. Have you got your hands on any DDs or DDDs, amigo?

J ajajajajajajajj.

So sexy. She loves taking pictures and I see why.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1685724]So sexy. She loves taking pictures and I see why.[/QUOTE]Yes, looks hot. No doubt about that.

The vibe she's giving me is very "Pro". What did you negotiate?

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1685826]Yes, looks hot. No doubt about that.

The vibe she's giving me is very "Pro". What did you negotiate?[/QUOTE]What about when you meet her and she has fucked up teeth?

How about when you meet her she says which hole first POPI.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1685906]What about when you meet her and she has fucked up teeth?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1686344]How about when you meet her she says which hole first POPI.[/QUOTE]

How about before you begin she is saying "suave popi".

I do not know if anyone can answer this question. Did anyone hear about what happened to the owner of 'Perla De Sosua?' It appears that he has disappeared and they believe his girlfriend and an accomplice might have murdered him.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1686780]I do not know if anyone can answer this question. Did anyone hear about what happened to the owner of 'Perla De Sosua?' It appears that he has disappeared and they believe his girlfriend and an accomplice might have murdered him.[/QUOTE]If you do a search I think someone shared an article a couple of weeks back. It seems you already know the info that was contained in said article though.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1686780]I do not know if anyone can answer this question. Did anyone hear about what happened to the owner of 'Perla De Sosua?' It appears that he has disappeared and they believe his girlfriend and an accomplice might have murdered him.[/QUOTE]Non-mongering stuff like this is always covered better on DR1 than any putaboard.

If you or your friends have this then stay away from this place. You may go 10 times before it happens but at some point you are going to be hooked. I have to admit it is better than being hooked on drugs but has a stronger influence on your mind. When it happens you will know right off something has changed in that ole brain because all of a sudden you went from thinking about being there every other day to thinking about being there every hour.

Having this as a sport is great but when the game last more than a few days playing the same team it turns super great for all that is playing. Something good can happen in the DR for those who will let it. Like others have said chemistry is everything either it is there or not. Just like daylight and dark.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1686920]Non-mongering stuff like this is always covered better on DR1 than any putaboard.[/QUOTE]Good point Pooter. The reason something like this is important on this board is because it makes one aware of what is generally going on in Sosua. Also, one will now be cautious about staying at Perla because there have been issues about manner of payment. Even after Lewis went missing there were still people paying by credit card to stay there. The new owners, who are now in jail for having forged documents of the place, were asking people to pay them directly. Also, the former owner, Brent Lewis, was also responsible for Sosua Rentals, Renta Villas, Adult Mancation and a couple of other ventures. Last year, while I was there, he had set up some activity involving some chicas. In other words, rentals, activities and ventures that someone on this putaboard might have taken advantage of in the past and/or plan to take advantage of in the future (which, in this case, might now be a mistake since the owner Brent is now missing). It would be regrettable if someone on this board, in the future, paid for any of this only to lose their money!
By the way, thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1687223]
By the way, thanks for your input.[/QUOTE]No, I should be apologizing to you. My post was too abrupt. Your last post quite correctly points out that the mongering community should be aware that all is not kosher there. I should have thanked you for your original post and commented "for a more detailed discussion see DR1". (Of course DR1 contains the same high percentage of misleading posts, thread high-jacks, and flame wars as any other internet board, plus a lot more people trying to further their own agendas since local business people, property owners and lawyers, etc, post there.).

[QUOTE=Boriman;1686780]I do not know if anyone can answer this question. Did anyone hear about what happened to the owner of 'Perla De Sosua?' It appears that he has disappeared and they believe his girlfriend and an accomplice might have murdered him.[/QUOTE]There's lots of crime and corruption in our favorite mongering spot, but, aside the from petty scams conmen, pickpockets you find in most tourist towns, most of it will never affect the average monger (unless your raise your profile considerably) They have bigger fish to fry.

Well meaning mongers carry their own angels with them.

Like when I told my Canadian friends I was planning to go to Medellin of all places, thanks to info gained here, they were shocked.

Said I was crazy!

24 March to 30 March looking to go to Sosua for the first time. Any info on where to stay would be greatly appreciated. In addition, what is the best way for me to get there from Santo Domingo.

Thanks in advance.

M

Or like me I screwed up. I should have flown into POP.

It is a $40 dollar taxi to the bus station.

How fucking dumb that they do not have the bus at the airport.

So, like me on Monday I will try to share a taxi to SD and take the bus.

I getting in too late for 11 am Metro bus, so I have Caribe Tours.

Caribe Tours (809-221-4422; [URL]www.caribetours.com.do[/URL]; corner of Av 27 de Febrero & Av Leopoldo Navarro; and Latest departure for Caribe Tours is 7 pm. Travel time to is 3 hours and 30 minutes, and the fare is 320 pesos.

Metro (809-227-0101; [URL]www.metroserviciosturisticos.com[/URL]; Calle Francisco Prats Ramrez) have individual depots west of the Zona Colonial. Caribe Tours has the most departures, and covers more of the smaller towns than Metro does. [URL]http://www.caribetours.com.do/viajes[/URL].

In Santo Domingo, the Metro bus station is located at Av. Churchill and Calle Francisco Prats Ramirez. Metro departures for Sosa are at 7 am, 11 am and 4 pm.

Metro Tours is located at Calle Principal (main highway) and Dr. Rosen in El Batey.

As for staying, I have not been in Sosua for 13 years, so I am going to try Rocky’s. I asked for a quiet room in the back. I sure that will not happen, but it is cheap.

[QUOTE=MCampbel98;1687909]24 March to 30 March looking to go to Sosua for the first time. Any info on where to stay would be greatly appreciated. In addition, what is the best way for me to get there from Santo Domingo.

Thanks in advance.

M[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1687941]As for staying, I have not been in Sosua for 13 years, so I am going to try Rockys. I asked for a quiet room in the back. I sure that will not happen, but it is cheap.[/QUOTE]Unless your on a very tight budget I wouldn't say a Rockys because it's right next to the strip so its not quiet and now from understanding its just a very basic room. To not take money from Rick's pocket I suggest Mary Rose was there not long ago, but water off and on so I say just go with Casa Cayenna.

[QUOTE=MCampbel98;1687909]24 March to 30 March looking to go to Sosua for the first time. Any info on where to stay would be greatly appreciated. In addition, what is the best way for me to get there from Santo Domingo.

Thanks in advance.

M[/QUOTE]Casa Cayena.

[URL]http://www.casacayenahotel.com/[/URL]

Autobus.

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1687952]Unless your on a very tight budget I wouldn't say a Rockys because it's right next to the strip so its not quiet and now from understanding its just a very basic room. To not take money from Rick's pocket I suggest Mary Rose was there not long ago, but water off and on so I say just go with Casa Cayenna.[/QUOTE]Or you can stay at Sosua Siites which Rick also manage. Its right across from Rocky. Mary Rose is to far from the strip in my opinion.

Is Sousa Sites quiet? Is there another place close to Rocky's comparable price that is quiet? Thanks

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1688135]Or you can stay at Sosua Siites which Rick also manage. Its right across from Rocky. Mary Rose is to far from the strip in my opinion.[/QUOTE].

Sosua Suites isn't exactly quiet, but it's not loud either. It's right across from Rocky's, and the apartments are spacious and clean. During the night you can hear a little bit of music from the bars nearby, Rumba's is right around the corner. But it's a convenient location, if you are on the second floor it's a good view of Calle Dr Rosen and some talent that walks by at all hours of the day. There is a security guard on site at night.

If you want quietness, I'd suggest Casa Cayena. Well priced, the rooms are clean and comfortable and you have breakfast and dinner included in the price (if Wilfried still has that special which I believe he does). It's about a 4 minute walk from Rocky's and it's still a convenient location. Actually a good number of hotels in Sosua are within walking distance of all the action, I don't think I've stayed anywhere that isn't more than a 5 minute walk. And it's pretty safe to walk around (as long as you're being sensible. Don't wear a noticeable watch or pull out your smartphone where it's visible to everyone.) There are lots of punters walking around at all times during the day, during the night I'd advise some caution. The less people you see on the street and the later it gets, the more vulnerable you become. Common sense stuff.

If you're able to fly into POP, the action is just 15 minutes (maybe not even 15 minutes) away. I'll fly into STI because POP is a more expensive airport to fly into, or sometimes I'll fly into POP and leave out of STI.

[QUOTE=DCups;1688211]Is Sousa Sites quiet? Is there another place close to Rocky's comparable price that is quiet? Thanks

.[/QUOTE]

If you really want quiet, try Casa Valeria. IMO it's almost too quiet. Casa Cayena is great, but it can be a bit noisy, depending on who your neighbors are.

I put together a few hotels. I am sure there are a few more.

1. Sosua by the Sea, Calle Bruno Philips, El Batey. Rates: $80-110. Tel: (809) 571-3222. [URL]http://www.sosuabythesea.com/[/URL].

2. *Europa Plaza Hotel, Danny's Bar, Pedro Clisante #14. Rates: $40. Tel: +1 809-571-3335. [URL]http://www.hotelplazaeuropa.com/[/URL].

3. Plaza Europa. Calle Pedro Clisante #16, El Batey. Rates: $35-. Tel: 1-809-571-3335,1-809-571-3479 [URL]http://www.hotelplazaeuropa.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hotel-Plaza-Europa/630782653678731[/URL].

4. Hotel D'Piero. Rates: $40-55. [URL]http://www.hotelpierososua.com/english.html[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/hotelsosuapiero[/URL].

5. Hotel El Colibri. Calle Pedro Clisante #141 El Batey. Rates: $33-58. Tel: 809.571. 1847. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hotel-El-Colibri-Sosua/111665282218542[/URL].

6. Hotel Las Palmeras de Don Antonio, Calle Dr. Rosen #3, El Batey. Rates: $36-38. Tel: +1 (809) 571-2662. [URL]http://hotel-las-palmeras.com/country-guide/sosua-en/[/URL].

7. Hotel Orchidee. Calle Dr. Rosen #24, El Batey. Rates: $27-38. Tel: +1 829-380-0715. [URL]http://www.hotelorchidee.ch/[/URL].

8. Rocky's, Calle Dr. Rosen #24, El Batey, El Batey, Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic. Telephone (Spanish): (809) 571-2951 Cellular (English): (809) 481-2951. Rates: $27. [URL]http://www.rockysbar.com/[/URL].

9. Sosua Suites Condos, Calle Dr. Rosen #24, El Batey. Rates: $60-70. Tel: 809.771. 5777, Cell: 809.481. 2951. [URL]http://sosua-suites.com/[/URL].

10. *Casa Cayena, Calle Dr. Rosen #25, El Batey. Rates: $65-105. Tel: +1 (809) 571-2662. [URL]http://www.casacayenahotel.com/[/URL] Gives ISG discounts.

11. *Terra Linda Resort, Calle Dr. Rosen #26 - El Batey, Sosa. Rates: $85-115. Tel: US and Canada: +1-866-332-3590. [URL]http://www.terralindaresortsosua.com/index.htm?lbl=yh-en[/URL].

12. Casa Valeria, Calle Dr. Rosen #28, Sosa, El Batey. Rates: $50-60. Tel: +809 571 3565. [URL]http://hotelcasavaleria.net/[/URL].

13. *New Garden Hotel, Calle Dr. Rosen #32. Rates: +1 (809) 571-2662. [URL]http://www.newgardenhotel.net/[/URL] X Gives ISG discounts.

14. Apart-Hotel Romanoff, Calle Ayuntamiento, El Batey. Rates: $30. Tel: 809-885-2337. Fax: 809-907-4503. [URL]http://www.hotel-dominican-republic.net/apart-hotel-617-romanoff-sosua.html[/URL].

15. Hotel Sea Breeze, Alejo Martinez # 10, El Batey. Rates: $40-60. Tel: 809-571-4712. [URL]http://hotelseabreezesosua.net/[/URL].

16. Mary Rose, Dr Alejo Martinez #33, El Batey. Rates: $45-64. Tel: 809 882 8221. [URL]http://www.maryrosedr.com/[/URL].

17. Coco Hotel. Calle Alejo Martinez #131. Rates: $30-40. Tel: 1-809-571-3217. [URL]http://www.cocohotelcoco.com/[/URL].

18. Hotel Ana Celia, Calle Prolongacion Pedro Clisante #35, El Batey. Rates: $40. Tel: 1-809-5711332, Toll Free from Canada and United States 1-800-753-6198. [URL]http://www.hotelanaceliasosua.com/[/URL].

19. Playa Chiquita, Avenida Martinez Casino Playa Chiquita, Cabarete. Rates: $40. Tel: 809 571-3416. [URL]http://www.playa-chiquita.com/[/URL].

20. Hotel Voramar Sosua, Alejo Martinez Playa Chiquita. Rates: $40- 45. Tel: Phone (001) 809-571-3910. [URL]http://hotelvoramar-sosua.com/home/home.php[/URL].

21. Coral Blanco Hotel, Calle Argentina, Playa Chiquita. Rates: $50. Tel: 1 829 9247900, (USA):
1 609 9100444. [URL]http://coralblanco.com/?page_id=60[/URL].

22. Tropix Hotel, Camino del Libre #7. Rates: $56. Tel: +1-809-571-2291. [URL]http://www.tropixhotel.com/[/URL].

23. Hotel Don Andres, Calle Alejo Martinez #6, Cabarete. Rates: $32-52. Tel: Dicky Voorburg +1-809-8757890, Henri van der Aa +1-809-8562005. [URL]http://www.hoteldonandres.com/[/URL].

24. *BlackBeards Adult Resort.

Costambar Beach, Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic.

Reservations: 1-809-970-3268.

E-mail: [EMAIL]Info@BlackBeardsadultresort.com[/EMAIL].

[URL]http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/[/URL]

* Chicas in the hotel bar.

[QUOTE=MCampbel98;1687909]24 March to 30 March looking to go to Sosua for the first time. Any info on where to stay would be greatly appreciated. In addition, what is the best way for me to get there from Santo Domingo.

Thanks in advance.

M[/QUOTE]When I flew into Santo Domingo, I took a cab from the airport to the caribe tours bus station. And from the bus station in Sosua I got into a motorcycle. I can't remember the prices but it wasnt much.

In sosua I stayed at Casa Cayana. If you want to be close to the action stay at new garden. Casa Cayana is isolated from the action. Girls don't hang out there. If you are looking for a quiet place then try casa Cayana. At new garden there are plenty of girls who stop at the bar or just walk up and down the street. IF you see one that you like you can call her. At casa Cayana you will have to walk to rumba or the main street to get girls. Its only 5 min walk thought. Both can work for you depending on what's important to you.

Next time I may try casa Valeria and new garden.

This should be on the wall of fame. Just excellent and accurate information.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1688373]I put together a few hotels. I am sure there are a few more.

1. Sosua by the Sea, Calle Bruno Philips, El Batey. Rates: $80-110. Tel: (809) 571-3222. [URL]http://www.sosuabythesea.com/[/URL].

2. *Europa Plaza Hotel, Danny's Bar, Pedro Clisante #14. Rates: $40. Tel: +1 809-571-3335. [URL]http://www.hotelplazaeuropa.com/[/URL].

3. Plaza Europa. Calle Pedro Clisante #16, El Batey. Rates: $35-. Tel: 1-809-571-3335,1-809-571-3479 [URL]http://www.hotelplazaeuropa.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hotel-Plaza-Europa/630782653678731[/URL].

4. Hotel D'Piero. Rates: $40-55. [URL]http://www.hotelpierososua.com/english.html[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/hotelsosuapiero[/URL].

5. Hotel El Colibri. Calle Pedro Clisante #141 El Batey. Rates: $33-58. Tel: 809.571. 1847. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hotel-El-Colibri-Sosua/111665282218542[/URL].

6. Hotel Las Palmeras de Don Antonio, Calle Dr. Rosen #3, El Batey. Rates: $36-38. Tel: +1 (809) 571-2662. [URL]http://hotel-las-palmeras.com/country-guide/sosua-en/[/URL].

7. Hotel Orchidee. Calle Dr. Rosen #24, El Batey. Rates: $27-38. Tel: +1 829-380-0715. [URL]http://www.hotelorchidee.ch/[/URL].

8. Rocky's, Calle Dr. Rosen #24, El Batey, El Batey, Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic. Telephone (Spanish): (809) 571-2951 Cellular (English): (809) 481-2951. Rates: $27. [URL]http://www.rockysbar.com/[/URL].

9. Sosua Suites Condos, Calle Dr. Rosen #24, El Batey. Rates: $60-70. Tel: 809.771. 5777, Cell: 809.481. 2951. [URL]http://sosua-suites.com/[/URL].

10. *Casa Cayena, Calle Dr. Rosen #25, El Batey. Rates: $65-105. Tel: +1 (809) 571-2662. [URL]http://www.casacayenahotel.com/[/URL] Gives ISG discounts.

11. *Terra Linda Resort, Calle Dr. Rosen #26 - El Batey, Sosa. Rates: $85-115. Tel: US and Canada: +1-866-332-3590. [URL]http://www.terralindaresortsosua.com/index.htm?lbl=yh-en[/URL].

12. Casa Valeria, Calle Dr. Rosen #28, Sosa, El Batey. Rates: $50-60. Tel: +809 571 3565. [URL]http://hotelcasavaleria.net/[/URL].

13. *New Garden Hotel, Calle Dr. Rosen #32. Rates: +1 (809) 571-2662. [URL]http://www.newgardenhotel.net/[/URL] X Gives ISG discounts.

14. Apart-Hotel Romanoff, Calle Ayuntamiento, El Batey. Rates: $30. Tel: 809-885-2337. Fax: 809-907-4503. [URL]http://www.hotel-dominican-republic.net/apart-hotel-617-romanoff-sosua.html[/URL].

15. Hotel Sea Breeze, Alejo Martinez # 10, El Batey. Rates: $40-60. Tel: 809-571-4712. [URL]http://hotelseabreezesosua.net/[/URL].

16. Mary Rose, Dr Alejo Martinez #33, El Batey. Rates: $45-64. Tel: 809 882 8221. [URL]http://www.maryrosedr.com/[/URL].

17. Coco Hotel. Calle Alejo Martinez #131. Rates: $30-40. Tel: 1-809-571-3217. [URL]http://www.cocohotelcoco.com/[/URL].

18. Hotel Ana Celia, Calle Prolongacion Pedro Clisante #35, El Batey. Rates: $40. Tel: 1-809-5711332, Toll Free from Canada and United States 1-800-753-6198. [URL]http://www.hotelanaceliasosua.com/[/URL].

19. Playa Chiquita, Avenida Martinez Casino Playa Chiquita, Cabarete. Rates: $40. Tel: 809 571-3416. [URL]http://www.playa-chiquita.com/[/URL].

20. Hotel Voramar Sosua, Alejo Martinez Playa Chiquita. Rates: $40- 45. Tel: Phone (001) 809-571-3910. [URL]http://hotelvoramar-sosua.com/home/home.php[/URL].

21. Coral Blanco Hotel, Calle Argentina, Playa Chiquita. Rates: $50. Tel: 1 829 9247900, (USA):
1 609 9100444. [URL]http://coralblanco.com/?page_id=60[/URL].

22. Tropix Hotel, Camino del Libre #7. Rates: $56. Tel: +1-809-571-2291. [URL]http://www.tropixhotel.com/[/URL].

23. Hotel Don Andres, Calle Alejo Martinez #6, Cabarete. Rates: $32-52. Tel: Dicky Voorburg +1-809-8757890, Henri van der Aa +1-809-8562005. [URL]http://www.hoteldonandres.com/[/URL].

24. *BlackBeards Adult Resort.

Costambar Beach, Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic.

Reservations: 1-809-970-3268.

E-mail: [EMAIL]Info@BlackBeardsadultresort.com[/EMAIL].

[URL]http://www.blackbeardsadultresort.com/[/URL]

* Chicas in the hotel bar.[/QUOTE]