The current roster at Maggie Mays.
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The current roster at Maggie Mays.
[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2752741]Have a look at gandamitch on chaturbate.
She is normally one very day, solo, or a twosome or 3 some, and is making $500-1000 per day based on token counts (each token earns her 5 c).
She also has instagram (MorenaMitch), and OFs to make money.
And yes, she and her friends are at most 6-7/10's, but she is making the money.[/QUOTE]She identifies as a Phillipino. Funny bro. Haha.
I had a couple of gogo dancers over for drinks today. I knew one previously, and she brought over a friend (which is one way of adding ladies to my rotation). The deal is I pay 2000 baht for the ladies to come drink for a few hours. What else they do is up to them.
After a couple of hours worth of tequila shots, they got naked, and I took them separately into the bedroom, one for pussy licking, the second for fucking.
If the ladies actually cum from pussy licking, I am amazed that they don't demand it. This one was jerking around, moaning, the whole bit, finally pushing me away. No idea if it was real or not.
Tonight, I will hit the Gentlemen's clubs to find a lady for a barfine. I want a lady who I have already gone with, but not too recently. Let's hope one is available.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2752967]The "Darkside" is merely the area east of Sukhumvit Road. It's more thinly populated, but there are a lot of foreigners living there due to lower prices. Plenty of smaller bars spread out there, typically with 5 to 10 ladies, with the same regular customers. The typical customer has retired, has a Thai wife, but she is older and doesn't want to fuck much, if at all, and is not too interested in her husband. So the guy goes to the local bar to play with a bargirl and maybe get a BJ or go ST. The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.[/QUOTE]This so stupid funny!
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2752967]The Thai ladies typically live with their Thai man somewhere near the bar.[/QUOTE]In my experience the chicks that work at bars on the darkside typically live at the bars.
[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2752858]Hold your Arabian Horses.
Rainbow 4 Nana Plaza Superstar still at 3,000 baht. I inquired not more than a month ago.
Schlubs at Rainbow 4 still at, I really don't know. They don't get customers.
I'm not saying Schlubs are good or bad,. Looks Matters.[/QUOTE]I'm a value vs looks vs performance guy. It's a math equation to me and I am looking for a point / range on the curve. I am much more partial to the little older 7 who can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch (and who will spend 1-2 hours pleasing you for less than $100 all in) than the overpriced young 10 who turns out to be a starfish. If really wanted just looks, I would go to Amsterdam or a German FKK where the many of the girls are porn star gorgeous. Or to Athens and get solid 8-9 (and sometimes a 10) Eastern EU / South American escorts who come to your hotel room for $150ST.
[QUOTE=Margaya;2752961]Thanks a lot for summarizing this very practical information. Its rare to find such informative post now a days.
How is the quantity of freelancers on beach road in Pattaya and on sukumvit road in Bangkok? 50% of pre covid days or just 20%?[/QUOTE]I don't have a huge amount of data points to go off, but I would say that it's off a bit. Not 50%, but not back to pre-covid. Part of that also might be the rainy / monsoon season, especially since it seems to have been a rather bad one this year. I think that the data points we get from the upcoming high season will give us a much better idea of post covid recovery of quality.
[QUOTE=ChimpoChinn;2753088]She identifies as a Phillipino. Funny bro. Haha.[/QUOTE]Yes, she says she is Pinay, but she is based in Phuket, and the girls she plays with online in Chaturbate, and also Instagram are all Thai.
Look up Tastymaze, Mai, KittyPokemon, etc.
In my mind none of them are stunning, more like just above average, but they are making the money without doubt.
I did a traditional barfine the other night, taking a MILF to my condo. Paid 2000 baht, she stayed for a few hours. We drank some, she got naked, and then we went to the bedroom. A bit of a change of pace for me, going with a newbie.
Tonight I have 2 ladies coming, should be fun.
Dear Abbey.
Last night five women came to my villa, in the suburbs of Pattaya; incredible enough they got in bikini to jump in the pool, where they removed their tops. The sight of tits visible was outstandiing, I was about to shag two of them but the other three did not agree.
So they draws me to the bedroom where I have a 2 x size king bed. Interaction was massive. One was even a virgin.
Needless to say that with copious amount of Samsong and tequila shots, she surrender and joined the "ex virgin army".
I had to shag them all night and it was exhausting. In the morning I had to kick them out by paying 5000 baht each. They wanted to stay all the day long for free. But I had other arrangements for the afternoon.
Dear Abbey, do you think a decent man can handle this for long? I have far too many ladies lining up for the next 6 days. Why their Thai boyfriends and husbands are not doing their job?
I am feeling like a missionary doing a lot of mercy. Will this give me merit at the local temple?
After my first and probably last for a while trip to Pattaya here is al ist of what I enjoyed, of courses everyones tastes are different.
Taxi service from BKK. I used both Mr. Nice and Nam Lady Taxi and I will have to go with Mr Nice. My return fight after leaving Thailand for a week was early and Mr. Nice driver was waiting vs when my initial flight into Thailand was 45 min early I had to wait for Nam's driver. Mr. Nice was 200 baht cheaper too.
Hotel. Holiday Inn Express- Can't speak to compare to others as this is the only Pattaya hotel I have been, but great staff, clean, new, decent location, in house laundry.
Massage. Nemo for no funny business top notch massage, Super Thai the next block down for decent massage but other stuff on the table. Ask for oil massage upstairs. I had been going here daily and on my 3rd day I saw a tall big boob hottie. There is only one other decent looking massage girl there altough the boss lady is superfit. Anyways asked her if she does massage hotel, no problem. Long story short I paid her shop fee for the last two days of my trip and had a very fun two days. Nice GFE for thoose wanting and not greedy. I won't say her name but she will stand out and she is heading back home shortly for next three weeks but I highly recommend hitting this place and her up.
GC. Maggie May and Purple Club. Maggie May a bit more fun lively and closer to everything. Purple club hotter girls. I also went to high rollers, and there were some hotties for sure but observing body behavior I could tell many were not true pleasers.
Bar. I hit a up a few bars but my daily was The Jungle / Rabbit Hole on Soi 13/1. I came across this bar on a Buzzin video and found out the owner was a fellow Canadian so I had to stop by. Quite quiet in terms of traffic, but they have a wicked band, the girls aren't pushy for lady drinks. I went every night to listen to good live music play pool and not be bothered by girls wanting to by drinks. Most of the ladies are older but there is one in her mid thirties. Doesn't speak english well but with translate was no problem and enjoyed a few fun nights with her. Again very service oriented GFE, and very loud in bed. I can't see how he can make any money only saw a few customers a night so I have to shamelessly plug his place, I think its mroe of the location on Soi 13 than the bar itself Hoping high season things pick up a bit.
Go Go - Kink in LK metro. Altough I didn't bar fine, a regret, but ran out of time. Go to the second floor. plenty of debauchery.
Food. A block away from my hotel first intersection towrds LK metro great coffee and smoothie cart. Korandos not far away from my hotel was good too, a few really good looking ladies their but I think some are not BF. I checked out both Cheap Charlies & Nickys for an english breakfast and altough CC is nicer food and service and Nicky's is better.
Right next to Super Thai is a super sweet and super hot girl running a Sushi stand. I would come support her a cause I felt a bit bad, not alot of traffic but she was super hot. So I didn't mind chatting to her for a bit while I ate my sushi My last day she told me she might break up with her falang BF. Damn a little too late, I would be over that like a pig in shit. Sushi was good for the price and I recommend checking her out.
Finally Mama's burger across the 7/11 for my nightly burger and chat her and other patron. For the price top class burger.
As I said before there is something for everyone in Pattaya. If something is not working for you there 1000 more opportunities around the corner.
I won't return anytime soon simply because there isn't enough to do during the day, other than drink or go for massages. The daily torrential rain did not help either.
Overall it was a great experience and lots of fun. You won't regret going.
Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy. Damn near can get a seizure with those strobe lights. Reminds me of the shut down Taboo Club. Sorry to staff that had to clean up my jizz. Blame it on Giftzy, she was the one who wiped my cum on the sofa not me. Oh well, I did my best. But I guess my best wasn't good enough. Cause here we are. Back where we were before. Seems nothin' ever changes. We're back to being strangers. Wondering if we ought to stay. Or head on out the door. Just damn once!
[QUOTE=CaliGuy33;2752690]The global recession has nothing to do with Russia-Ukraine. It has everything to do with governments and central banks printing money for years and increasing the debt whilst kicking the can down the road. The global recession is just commencing and it will be felt in Thailand as it will everywhere else. Tourist numbers will drop as farang won't have the money to travel. Less tourists means the price of pussy decreases. Just wait another year and these same girls pushing for 2 k ST will be lucky to get 1 k ST.
Certainly too many bars in Pattaya, contraction has to happen.
I'm in Samui now and yes the quality and quantity is low, but the girls that are here are so desperate I am getting whatever I want. There is an extreme lack of tourists here and the majority of Samui tourists aren't mongers anyways. I'm surprised these girls are here instead of Phuket. Yesterday I had a girl over for 3 hours for for 1 k ST and she was more attractive than any girl I bedded in two months I was in Pattaya. Today sampling a cute one I got down to 700 baht ST, we'll see how it goes.[/QUOTE]Jesus mate, you are knocking these girls down 300 baht? Its 7 dollars FFS.
[QUOTE=ElMexicant;2753626]Well I gave it my best at bat. Was a Pin Up this past weekend. It was early about 8:45 pm. Model 467 in white, very delicious body. White skinned. Chinese facial features. Nice bolt on tits. Slim but leggy with a thin waist. Maybe the best in there. After her dance rotation, she walked by where I was sitting and I was able to confirm her looks up close. Called mamasan over and asked if she was barfineable. Mamasan said she was. Made my max offer, which was same max offer, I offered targeted stunner girls at the GoGo bars before COVID, if you can understand that. Told mamasan I was willing to buy her 5 drinks to match her nightly quota to fulfill that 50 in 10 days contract. Pay the barfine and 5000 for LT and table service at Club Panda. Plus 100 tip to mamasan if all that can close the deal. Mamasan walked over to the girl, chatted with her for a minute, and pointed to me. Model 467 smiled and walked over. Boy, I thought I was getting lucky! Model 467, then told me she cannot go tonight because she had another customer booking. She said thank you and told me next time. For all that I got a kiss on the cheek and was told come back next week. Mamasan gave me an I'm sorry smile and asked if I want to choose another. To that I said, let me look, but meant no. Well damn, I thought. I sat there 30-40 more minutes and saw other customers buy her a drinks. She didn't go with any of them. About 10 pm. A hefty Korean guy with a sleeveless AC / DC muscle shirt came in and called her off the stage. I watched as a couple of trays of 10 shots of tequila was brought out to her. She invited 2 more of her model girlfriends to their little party. He also asked the waitstaff to bring out a 2000 baht bucket of ping pong balls and handed it all to her. She kept the whole bucket to herself. Wonder does he know that Pin Up keeps 1000 of that, only 10 baht per ball goes to the girl. He must be new. Oh well, now I saw why my offer of nearly 8,000 plus clubbing, seemed like a lowball offer. Cheap ass me. Didn't feel like competing. Instead I walked over to SkyFalls and called good ole Giftzy whom I met at Living Dolls ages ago. One of my first barfines ever in Pattaya ages ago. She since worked for quite a few clubs including Pin Up. Bought her a couple of drinks and got a free hand job. SkyFalls is so dark and raunchy.[/QUOTE]I've saw Giftzy a few times in there, seems to be a bit up herself. Decent bar fine? I took the older one last time, really good dancer. Name is Tik.
[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2752138]Well been here since Friday after my last visit in June.
For the Pattaya junkys? Yeah you can fuck and all. It's still better than most cities.
For the realistic people and information seekers? It's time to move on. Pattaya is at the end of a era. A new one will start but when that happens there is no excuse for NOT going to BKK or Phuket. Both cities have much more to offer and the price gap is probably gone.
What happened? (IMO) Too many bars have been sold for crazy amount of money without anything to back it up. You buy a bar for a few million THB? You not buy ANYTHING. Because you still got to pay rent. Girls are not on a payroll. So you buy on a "promise" of possible revenue from the previous owner. Without the tools he had (aka the ladies).
So you basically pay for furniture. Maybe a soundsystem. Its crazy. But many guys fell into this scam...[/QUOTE]I am still on the ground here in Pattaya, you can see some of my previous posts and my opinion has not changed much. I agree with you, Pattaya is not what it was and its in a lot of trouble.
There have always been too many bars spread out all over the show, but at the moment the competition for girls is so fierce that its created bizarro world. My intention is not to put people off, its mostly to provide some perspective so that you can adjust expectations and perhaps consider what your game plan should be based on how much time you would have if you travel here.
I would like to add some general updates based on what I am seeing and hearing given the additional time I have had here too. I'm out of here in two weeks, so its ended up being a good 2.5 months in Pattaya. I'll be going over old ground in some cases, but my view has been solidified for the most part that this place is past its prime and I am not sure how it actually recovers either. Normally I am a two week millionaire type, but I have changed things up given the longer amount of time I have spent in country. I have come to realize talking to the girls, bar managers and owners / staff of various businesses that its the two week millionaires that kept this place going. As much as the old cheap charlies and expats complain about the pricing pressure they create, in reality they were actually the lifeblood for a lot of the industry because they spend big and they pay the bills.
1 - The gogos are a fucked. I love thai women and asian women, but there is simply no way I can justify paying these sorts of barfines and prices. Not to mention the LD quotas. I am not short of a buck and not a budget traveller, but we are talking about prices that are starting to match Europe. Beautiful thai women are up there with women from all over the world, but the ratios have never been in their favour like they are in Eastern Europe and Latin America either. So if you are on a short trip here, you are going to be paying through the nose for a belter or having to waste time hunting for that gem that pops up from time to time. You are in for 8 k-10 k all up by the time BF's, drinks, LD's and girls rates are taken into account if you pull them out before midnight. Add the hotel cost, food, flights and other expenses? If they were full of women that could match any half decent FKK, Spanish bordello or Brazilian club I would say fine. But its not at that level, regardless of your tastes and how deep the yellow fever runs. Anyone who says otherwise has never been to these countries, or went to the wrong places when they visited.
2 - Long Time (LT) is actually becoming an issue. This was one of the major appeals of Thailand, was that you took a girl for the night and it was normally 1-2 pops before bed and then another shot when you wake up with the morning wood. More and more girls are only providing ST now. This is from the bars, gentlemen's clubs, etc. Gogos its still bog standard for most, but the Thai LT service is gradually eroding.
3 - The competition for girls has created a massive shortage across the whole industry. Gogo's are paying a lot to get staff and they are taking just about anyone. Which means they are hoovering up all the girls, and that has reduced the quality right down the food chain. There are still a lot of girls who choose to work in specific environments because it suits them, many just prefer working bars or gentlemen's clubs to gogos regardless of the extra cash they would make, but the shortage is having an impact. The 10 day contracts are all the girls talk about, and they are shopping themselves as much as possible.
4 - All the girls are complaining about how quiet it is. Beyond that restaurant staff, massage therapists, hotel staff. All saying the same thing and you can sense there are a lot of nerves and a growing concern that things do need to pickup this high season otherwise a lot more places are going under. This season is a big one for Pattaya and it needs it badly.
5 - The girls are not actually pushing their rates up, for the most part those have stayed the same for years now and I am not sure how a lot of them actually do it. A few of the gogos are rammed, but the vast majority are dead quiet. A lot of bars and GC's too, a few doing good trade but many are struggling. Nightclubs are also not that busy, and when they are they packed with Indians sitting around a single drink who spend the night dancing with each other and talking more than anything else. The costs are the costs from the business owners to cover their overheads, not from the girls themselves. A lot of these girls are struggling to get more than a few drinks sold a night, and in many cases are not being barfined at all given the high BF rates at some places. So they are reliant on those 10 day contracts and salaries too.
6 - The pressure to sell drinks in some venues is fucking insane and it puts you off going into these venues. Its relentless, to the point where cleaning staff are hammering you. I know the owners need to start turning a buck, but this is not the way. I have not been back to walking street in two weeks, and even LK Metro it is out of control with it. Its a pain in the ass dealing with the bullshit because you can't just sit and have a beer for a while it seems.
7 - Never thought I would see the day, but some girls in GC's and bars even on Soi 6 are drinks only. They don't BF, they only sell drinks. No idea why owners and managers think their customers are coming to speak broken English to bar girls only, but this is becoming more and more frequent. This is how desperate they are for any girls in the bar now.
8 - 90% of the girls are not pushing their rates up, but I think its coming soon. Been a few cheeky attempts at 1500-1800 on Soi 6, which has also turned into a drinking alley more than the fucking alley it used to be. There is no reason to visit Soi 6, if its bars and GC's your best bet is currently Buakow area where I have been spending more and more time.
9 - Hotels are cheap as shit right now, its tough not to just stick around if you can work remotely like I do. So that's what I have done, and I have settled into a routine that has been very comfortable. Everything else is still very well priced, so accommodation, food and food choices, gyms, etc are all great and cheap as hell given quality. And I always loved the people here. Beyond the sex industry Thailand has a lot to offer and still does, so I have enjoyed my time here immensely still.
10 - Being able to spend more time here means I have been getting stuck into the semi pros and less active freelancers. This has been a goldmine, the quality of the girls is right up there with the top gogo quality at times and its been delivery straight to the hotel room with the occasional night out with them. At the moment, I think the freelancers are the way to go, be it nightclubs or dating sites. Please bare in mind I am mid 40's too, and some of these girls have their age limits so they are picking their customers a bit more so maybe my experience is a bit skewed, I am not sure. SO if you are here a while, you can set yourself up like a king in no time. However if you don't have that time on the ground, its going to be a challenge unless you want to drop a lot of money.
11 - A lot of girls are going the freelance route now. They talk amongst themselves a ton, have their own chat groups and messaging groups, etc. Make no mistake they are organized. When you ask them why some of them who would be very popular at the gogos are not working there, or even a bar? Basically they are sick to death of the bullshit from the mamasans and the owners. Pressure to sell drinks, pressure to compete with other girls, pressure to dance for 8-10 hours, lots of drinking, fines for everything under the sun including days they can't work if they are sick. Inability to choose customers sometimes, endlessly bombarded with loud music. So they make a little less as freelancers, but they set their own hours and they also have tons of ways to meet men now. They are all active on social media, so they are constantly reeling men in. They also tend to get a lot of repeats which they all prefer.
I agree that with recession coming, the increasing cost of flights and the lack of tourism from Russia and China that the Thai tourism industry is in for a seriously difficult run the next few years. The Indians are not spending anything, and I think Pattaya as it is right now is going to put a lot of people off from returning too, especially for those of you who have been here a a few times and have expectations given prior experience.