Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1920508]I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).[/QUOTE]I think the biggest difference here is the perspective of punters. The bunch who live in LOS will always hold the opinion that the P4 P scene has declined badly because they have been seeing it everyday for several years. The other bunch who simply visits for a few weeks in a year will not notice the decline because they are often coming from sex prisons or markets that are far more expensive to partake.

For every report of a decline there will be a counter report of a night well spent with a ultra hot 22 yo Isaan cutie for a "reasonable" price with great service. And vice-versa. This is one debate that will never end.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1920743]I don't see any differences of signifigance except for:

1. Prices are significantly higher.

2. Young girls get fat at an early age.

3. Prevalence of fake noses and fake tits.

4. The clean out of girls of certain categories.

5. Girls seem less desperate for money causing price to be higher.

6. Ladyboys to Cowboy.

7. The Coyote take over.

8. Soapies have far less girls and far less business.

9. A lot more gogo girls do not smoke. One good thing.

10. Probably more condoms used. I don't really know this one.

11. The web age. Girls can contact guys easily.

12 Most bars are struggling. Not enough customers. Most MPs the same. The decline in customers is the biggest problem of all. Thousands of ugly hookers with no business.

13. You can get a decent coffee in Thailand and resonable foreign food. 25 years ago you could not.

If I could go back and repeat from 25 years ago, I certainly would. Would have been good to get stuck in Thailand 33 years ago during my very first visit.

So that is really a lot of change. However I manage. Its just spending too much money that is only thing that matters.

We have to know where to find girls of our type. Some guys are in the wrong country but not me, I guess. I am only here 30%.[/QUOTE]Funny first comment Syg. I think all the differences you listed are significant. And I agree on 13. It is one of the few positives. It's a fantastic food town and Bangkok has become a world class coffee city. Some excellent roasters and baristas here.

[QUOTE=BkkMick;1920245]Paul is actually living in Bangkok now. We still have our parties with some of the old guard and a few new ones. But a) the bickering on this panel has taken overhand and outweighs the usefulness of factual reporting, b) you can only repeat so much without regurgitating old news and c) I personally got burned when something I posted about a girl was seen by some idiot as a license to mistreat her and she blamed my post for it.[/QUOTE]Say Hi to him for me, please! (I currently don't have paid access.) Miss his reports but it's understandable given the reasons above. Will be back in BKK sometime in September for a couple of days. Woohoo!

I have a different perspective?

I still remember when I first came in ISG, there was only 1 page of thread at best. Majority of the posters didn't have a handle just posted as Anonymous. What went on then is pretty much what goes on now. Back then the posters it seem majority were Expats or visited often for reason like business. I pretty much learned all the in and out of mongering in Thailand more important I would benefit me was learning the negatives about their culture and people. It didn't mean I didn't make mistake like paying too much I'm still learning and overpaying at times. What I noticed over time a minority of members who seem to know or had the ear of the creator / moderator complaint whenever they couldn't intelligently convince others to March to their music they got their own thread, which was a form of banishment or outright told they were banned. One only has to look to see what I'm talking about.

The final explosion happen a few years ago when a top poster was banished and there was a huge debate many of the best informative members got tired and even took sides and left. Many felt new members would pick their brains and later got disrespectful after they gain experience. The old days many would meet at Livingston Lodge in Bangkok on Soi 33, those were the old days.

As noted, ISG and many website posters come from all walks of life people are all different. One would think and realize the more people in a group you will have more different opinions, thus disagreement. I hear people say I understand, let's move on, but the next word out of their mouth it back to the same old stuff, it is like in one ear out the other, I just guess people are just build that way and they got to get in that jab thinking no one is going to notice.

Make no mistake I understand we are all human and I'm not exempt. People have their own experience take the time to write and share it with us because that is what the Internet has created. Some are so well written and as long as a romance novel. Majority are experiences from poster who come often and not so often doing what they can't at home for various reasons. No one wants in the end to have their experience nip picked and shot down for paying too much or their story being too long. There are guys who like to take it slow then their are guys who just want to run, everyone has their style. It also works the other way around. Not taking a personal shot. People post say "let's get back to busy " write and explains themselves and end by calling others who don't agree with their position " Ass-so ", or write a wonderful experience ending in making sure the " Cheap Charlies " got it. There is always I understand let's get back to the topic only to end with that jab to the gut! Always got to get the last word in because our ego's get the best of us each time.

A good example. Look at my writing I envy guys like Kumbu, I only dream of being able to write like him but my poor grammar isn't going to stop me from expressing my opinion. I get it all the time readers understand as bad as my grammar understand everything that is being said, but because they can't get me to March to their tune have no argument and feel their ego bruised they reach for what is left to nip pick my grammar or spelling. Sure I'm human I would be lying if I said it doesn't bother me at times. This is what the Internet has created cowards, jerks hiding behind the computer. Is anything I've said going to change NO not for a minute.

We are more alike than we care to admit, we all are at fault as to why things are the way it is it will never change. What has changed is ISG no longer micro-manage this board for the few just let it go and like the majority after a few days things will return to normal but before that happens someone will sneak in that jab and then it starts all over again. That is ISG, you can be the solution by just ignoring the jabbers (easier said than done) or be the problem and keep jabbing.

First I will say that I am a farang living in BKK, but no where near Sukhumvit so when I do a monger night I typically get a cheap room on Soi 4. My question is, where are the short time rooms? I know Nana has them, but are there others in the area? If so where? How much for short time?

[QUOTE=Danibbler;1920842]Say Hi to him for me, please! (I currently don't have paid access.) Miss his reports but it's understandable given the reasons above. Will be back in BKK sometime in September for a couple of days. Woohoo![/QUOTE]You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.

Live update from Thermae. About 150-200 girls at 10 pm. Good ones mainly gone now. About 60-80 guys. About 80% Asian, 20% caucasian and 1 Indian. Caucasians didn't seem to have issues picking up girls. In fact, 1 caucasian is talking to the girl I want. The Japanese snap up the good ones within a minute so act fast if you see someone. Imo still a great lineup but I prefer cute girls over model looks. Also prefer western and Japanese surgery looks over Thai. More or less the same lineup as last month except more oldies tonight. Yuck.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1920678]Dude, when you compare 25 USD with well over 100 USD now it is a huge increase. And the service is not as good. Prices in LOS have risen way more then they have in the West and in other SE Asian countries. If service had risen with the cost there would be no bickering. LOS is a seller's market compared with years past not a buyers market. Honestly, if you were at the exit of Nana or Cowboy at closing time 10 plus years ago you would have scads of girls begging you to take them. Now most just can't be bothered. It is the punter who has to pursue the gal, and back in the day it was the gals chasing you. There are far fewer gals on the game in general and way fewer lookers then there was 15 years ago all due to the improving economy.[/QUOTE]These are side effects of the improving economy and it is seen in all developing countries. Thailand is no exception. Anyway things will never be the same as they were 15 years ago and time machine is not likely to be invented in our lifetime. So there is no point in bickering. Ok, earlier girls use to chase punters, now punters have to chase girls. Times have changed and we should accept that and move on.

I fully agree with you. I have been to BKK around a dozen times since the 2000's and stayed there for around 2 weeks on average during each visit, however I haven't noticed any significant difference in the P4P scene except for the effect of inflation and rate of exchange of the $ compared to THB.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1920797] I think the biggest difference here is the perspective of punters. The bunch who live in LOS will always hold the opinion that the P4P scene has declined badly because they have been seeing it everyday for several years. The other bunch who simply visits for a few weeks in a year will not notice the decline because they are often coming from sex prisons or markets that are far more expensive to partake.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1920508]...I personally feel absolutely no discontent with the current state of P4 P in LOS, which is why I keep coming back (been coming to LOS since 1991, by the way).[/QUOTE]Like you, I have no problem with the current state of P4 P in SEA. I have been coming to Thailand since 2004, every year and sometimes twice a year. I know also that most of my buddy mongers feel the same way.

Of course prices have gone up, that is to be expected, plus SEA economies have been improving. That's life and we cannot change that.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1921086]You are a senior member therefore you can PM him if you wish.[/QUOTE]I don't think he likes to find his screen name.

Another day at the Nana Plaza area. I was planning on hitting up the night clubs tonight but was busy with work.

Got horny at 11 pm, so I went walking around Soi 4. Saw a girl I liked and made eye contact. She grabbed my arms and we chat a bit. Agreed on price, then she mentioned renting hotels nearby. I told her we go to my hotel, which is nearby. It's safer for me. The hotel security guard held her ID while she was in my room. They don't give it back until they talk to me afterwards to make sure I am OK. I like that.

Tall girl about 5'7" with a curvy body and the best boobs I have seen. I told her to take everything slow because she has a pretty face and a very hot body. I like to enjoy the view as well as the action. Took over an hour with multiple positions and we're both exhausted at the end. We cuddled and chat a bit more. She went to shower and lingered longer than she should and kept coming back to hug and kiss me. Even standing outside the door, she's giving me that, "ask for my number" look. I know my priorities, so no.

I really like the connection we made even though it was short-lived. Everyday here is like a short-lived dream.

Interesting:

Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.

[URL]http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;1921232]Interesting:

Thailand Plans to Track Foreign Tourists Through Their Cell Phones.

[URL]http://time.com/4446059/thailand-tourists-cell-phone-tracking/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Defense%20EBB%2008-10-16&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief[/URL][/QUOTE]The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.

Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.

RL.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;1921268]The primary reason is terrorism. The USA does that already and I'm sure Europe also because they tracked down all of the participants in the most recent attaches. They want the ability to be able to know everyone that communicates with a certain phone if something happens.

Why would you have a problem with that? Who cares because they only tract the info in the event of a crime.

RL.[/QUOTE]What does bother me from the article is the following: "In April, the Immigration Bureau introduced elaborate immigration forms that required visitors and foreign workers to stipulate sensitive information, including banking details and social-media sites used. " I don't know whether anyone here has encountered these forms yet, but it sounds like those who participate in this and similar forums might be obligated to disclose their participation in such sites on the immigration form. Although I would guess very few people would disclose this information, I hope things don't get to the point where the Thai immigration / customs people start doing forensic searches of laptops, etc. , as US customs often did (at least in the past; not sure about now) on single men returning from Asia. If Thai customs did this, the could then use the information gained from a laptop or phone search to nail those who do not disclose the full range of forums they participate in.

Then again, perhaps the disclosure requested only pertains to such things as Facebook, which while an invasion of privacy would be a bit less problematic I suppose. Or perhaps the Time article was not so accurate on the information that must be disclosed on entry to Thailand (or maybe it only applies to those who obtain entry visas before arriving in Thailand given the low likelihood people would have banking information, for example, available when arriving at the airport in Thailand).