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[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975747]I do think those Pentagon figures of overall Russian casualties in Ukraine are probably correct or close. The Ukrainians on the other hand have lost close to 700 K. What a horrific needless tragedy thanks to NATO and the collective west. History will not judge these people kindly.[/QUOTE]Hundreds thousands Russian pieces of meat injured or dead for Putin craziness, when Russians are so blind, when they should never follow such crazy shameful.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975740]Medvedev plays good cop / bad cop. He shouldn't be taken at face value. Someone like Putin or Lavrov, they should.[/QUOTE]Medvedev clearly was told that he has to be the clown. An alcoholic clown.
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How about America blowing up the Nordstream pipleline, was that okay and acceptable?[/QUOTE]No.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975740]I just understand why the Ukraine war happened and who provoked it and how easily it could've been prevented. Transnistria like the 4 new territories should decide in a fair referendum whether they want to stay with Russia, be independent or join Molvova / Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Oh, I am totally for fair referendums. That would mean that people who lived in the area before the invasion get to come back and the elections need international observers. Hint, North Korean observers I would argue cannot be trusted. Since you agree that people should be able to chose in what country they live, let's do a few referendums in Russia as well, starting with a few of the regions in the Caucasus. I am glad we agree on this.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975744]Certainly no Euro troops will be allowed, no way. They can't be trusted.[/QUOTE]So, we should trust North Korean troops or what is your proposal?
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975744]You are forgetting that Ukraine was a neutral state, that means no NATO. That is what this war is all about.[/QUOTE]You are forgetting that Ukraine did not ask to join NATO before the invasions in Crimeea and Donbass.
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What I find strange is that you totally ignore the western backed coup in 2014 which removed the democratically elected leader of Ukraine. How convenient. Cherry picking events. Why did Russia not take Crimea before 2014? What provoked them into taking Crimea? Put 2 and 2 together.[/QUOTE]Oh, I did put 2 and 2 together. Russia and its apologists think it is OK for Russia to decide for people of other countries how they should live.
An independent Ukraine with some EU investments would show the Russians that life can be good as long as you try a bit to limit corruption and you get to trade with the free world. Putin wanted none of that.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2975751]Georgia, Ukraine and Moldavia would like to belong to EU, out of Putin fucking elections. Only Hungarian support Putin in Europe, nobody else. We should put Hungary out of EU as long Orban is, when we really don't need them.[/QUOTE]Well, Georgia is wisely moving away from the EU and NATO. They don't want to get wrecked like Ukraine did and all for nothing.
In a war it's very natural for both sides to lie so I don't listen much what the Russians nor the Ukrainians are saying about the casualties. There are some hints of what is happening in reality though. Moscow Times is a western owned media and have reported that Russia exchanged 501 dead Ukrainians for 89 dead Russians which makes the ratio 1 dead Russian for 5. 5 dead Ukrainians. Although it's not a prove it's nevertheless very strong hint. [URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-and-ukraine-exchange-bodies-of-nearly-600-fallen-soldiers/ar-AA1svAjv[/URL].
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975805]Well, Georgia is wisely moving away from the EU and NATO. They don't want to get wrecked like Ukraine did and all for nothing.[/QUOTE]Not Georgian people, but only those supported by Putin who fuck election, like he hold Trump balls in his hand, after Moscow party for Trump.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975739]I don't know what your dumbass is trying to say here, but I posted facts that the Russians captured Kurakhove.[/QUOTE]No Igor, what you posted was a lie, for when you did post what you call "facts", the AFU were still in Kurakhove.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975740]Medvedev plays good cop / bad cop.[/QUOTE]LOL, the only thing Medvedev plays with is his liver.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975805]Well, Georgia is wisely moving away from the EU and NATO. They don't want to get wrecked like Ukraine did and all for nothing.[/QUOTE]Ah, another war. Because you're doing so well with this one, LOLOL.
Tell me Igor, when are you planning on attacking Finland and Sweden, AKA the countries Putin PERSONALLY brought into the Nato fold? Now, don't be shy.
[QUOTE=MorandUK;2975814]In a war it's very natural for both sides to lie so I don't listen much what the Russians nor the Ukrainians are saying about the casualties. There are some hints of what is happening in reality though. Moscow Times is a western owned media and have reported that Russia exchanged 501 dead Ukrainians for 89 dead Russians which makes the ratio 1 dead Russian for 5. 5 dead Ukrainians. Although it's not a prove it's nevertheless very strong hint. [URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-and-ukraine-exchange-bodies-of-nearly-600-fallen-soldiers/ar-AA1svAjv[/URL].[/QUOTE]I find it hilarious and shocking that people buy into the horseshit spewed by the western mainstream media. I mean it's common sense which a lot of people are lacking. This is a war where the main weapon which kills is ARTILLERY. The Russians have about a 1 to 7 ratio in their favor for Artillery. Who is going to kill more? For fucks sake people, wake up and stop believing the lies from the western mainstream media. These are the same people that told you that Saddam had WMD's. These are the same people that told you for years and years that everything was OK in Afghanistan, that the Afghan army was very capable, and US trained and look how that turned out.
[QUOTE=MorandUK;2975814]In a war it's very natural for both sides to lie so I don't listen much what the Russians nor the Ukrainians are saying about the casualties. There are some hints of what is happening in reality though. Moscow Times is a western owned media and have reported that Russia exchanged 501 dead Ukrainians for 89 dead Russians which makes the ratio 1 dead Russian for 5. 5 dead Ukrainians. Although it's not a prove it's nevertheless very strong hint. [URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-and-ukraine-exchange-bodies-of-nearly-600-fallen-soldiers/ar-AA1svAjv[/URL].[/QUOTE]If you truly believe that Ukraine loses more soldiers than Russia, I have quite a few bridges to sell you. Russians send people into pure meat assaults; they've been on the offence for over a year, and they lose around 2,000 a day since October 2024. Only a complete nutso or Russian propacondom like Blah Blah can utter this nonsense with a straight face.
The exchange reported by the Moscow Times (which, by the way, is an independent outlet and not "a western owned media") has nothing to do with the actual ratio of dead from the both sides. Some of the dead returned from Russia come from the siege of Mariupol in 2022. Others from the areas currently occupied by the Russians. Of course, there will be more dead bodies on the territories controlled by Russia since they're on the offence.
[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-swap-bodies-soldiers-one-of-biggest-exchanges-of-its-kind[/URL]
Russia has lost approximately 794,760 soldiers per Ukraine's Euromaidan by the end of December.
[URL]https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/01/04/russias-human-loss-fighting-area-ratio-exceeds-all-modern-conflicts-except-korean-war[/URL]
You don't trust the Ukrainians. Well, other sources are even less conservative.
Russians have lost over 800,000 dead and gravely wounded since Feb 2022 according to the National Interest.
[URL]https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/jaw-dropping-loss-human-life-russia-ukrainian-war-214355[/URL]
The highest number for Ukrainian losses has come from "Yuriy Butusov, a well-connected but controversial Ukrainian war correspondent, (who) says that 70,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed since February 2022, with another 35,000 missing. " Other estimates, both from Ukraine and the world are considerably less.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0ewneynypwo[/URL]
Even if Butusov's estimate is accurate, "the consensus is that Russian casualty figures are far higher than Ukraine's due to their "meat grinder" tactics. ".
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yv75nydy3ot[/URL]
It's quite likely that 250,000-300,000 Russian occupiers are dead or MIA (which is usually the same thing).
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975862]I find it hilarious and shocking that people buy into the horseshit spewed by the western mainstream media. I mean it's common sense which a lot of people are lacking. This is a war where the main weapon which kills is ARTILLERY. The Russians have about a 1 to 7 ratio in their favor for Artillery. Who is going to kill more? For fucks sake people, wake up and stop believing the lies from the western mainstream media. These are the same people that told you that Saddam had WMD's. These are the same people that told you for years and years that everything was OK in Afghanistan, that the Afghan army was very capable, and US trained and look how that turned out.[/QUOTE]Why? You prefer to believe crazy Putin and follow him like too many Russians going to death. Yes, our world have to know Putin is a liar, same like Chinese government. This, when I love Russia, but for sure, not crazy dangerous Putin who has only a now weak army, when he was not even able to defeat Dombas after 3 years, but killed so many children and women.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2975826]No Igor, what you posted was a lie, for when you did post what you call "facts", the AFU were still in Kurakhove.
[/QUOTE]Well, shit4 brains, the fact of the matter is that the Russians took Kurakhove and they took Toretsk, just like they will take the rest of the Donbas.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2975776]Medvedev clearly was told that he has to be the clown. An alcoholic clown.
No.
Oh, I am totally for fair referendums. That would mean that people who lived in the area before the invasion get to come back and the elections need international observers. Hint, North Korean observers I would argue cannot be trusted. Since you agree that people should be able to chose in what country they live, let's do a few referendums in Russia as well, starting with a few of the regions in the Caucasus. I am glad we agree on this.[/QUOTE]I am all for free and fair referendums. The problem with the collective west is that they don't accept results they do not like. Why was it okay for Kosovo to leave Serbia? Why was it okay for the collective west to change Serbia's borders by force? They set the precedent. The majority of the people in Crimea have always been Russians. They voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. Why is that not okay? Let's be fair here. You seem to be a reasonable person.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2975941]I am all for free and fair referendums. The problem with the collective west is that they don't accept results they do not like. Why was it okay for Kosovo to leave Serbia? Why was it okay for the collective west to change Serbia's borders by force? They set the precedent. The majority of the people in Crimea have always been Russians. They voted overwhelmingly to join Russia. Why is that not okay? Let's be fair here. You seem to be a reasonable person.[/QUOTE]Crimea was just fucked by Putin. Ask them if they feel happy now under dictator Putin, when they lost freedom. Same for Georgians, Ukrainians, Romanians and Moldavians. Except blind, no brained Russians, nobody want to be under dictator Putin. Only China, north Korea, Al Assad and some new Africans, for friends, so great friends for Putin. Others just wait his death.
It seems people have fixed believes that will not change even when you present evidence on the contrary. In my humble opinion the winners of conflict are the Americans, Russians and the Chinese. Their economies are going strong. The losers are the Europeans and the really big losers the Ukrainians. European economy has suffered and will suffer even more. Ukraine as a nation is devastated. Their population has shrink bellow 28 million and have lost 20% of their land. All that because of a political game the US-UK played against Russia.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0Bl6_MAhg_4?si=pAs8KunViszNFR3E&t=3901[/URL]
[QUOTE=MorandUK;2975974]It seems people have fixed believes that will not change even when you present evidence on the contrary. In my humble opinion the winners of conflict are the Americans, Russians and the Chinese. Their economies are going strong. The losers are the Europeans and the really big losers the Ukrainians. European economy has suffered and will suffer even more. Ukraine as a nation is devastated. Their population has shrink bellow 28 million and have lost 20% of their land. All that because of a political game the US-UK played against Russia.
[URL]https://youtu.be/0Bl6_MAhg_4?si=pAs8KunViszNFR3E&t=3901[/URL][/QUOTE]USA always made money with wars, killing their young to make money. Russia is falling and now the world know their army is weak, when they need north Korea help versus Ukraine who is so courageous and such a good example to defend their land and freedom. I wish Canada, Greenland / Denmark will do same. USA game is with China and they will lose, when they fight about same low level productions. High level productions don t care about shit chinese products.