Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=LAGuy5;1925048]Nope The Dogguy's post was trying to correct W*man's statement, "Those Saphan Kwai bars being raided has hit the national press," by stating "The Nation is a local Thai media outlet. " That response was nonsensical, particularly coming from someone who habitually complains about other member's posts being a waste of time.[/QUOTE]Who are you to explain what my posts mean? I had no idea you followed my content so closely that you can now interpret the meaning of all my posts. That's a little creepy! LOL.

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924824]A scam in the sense that, while you and I know Coyote Girls are more eye candy than anything else, visitors to Bangkok would not easily be aware that they are doing a different job from the other go go dancers that they are dancing next to on the stage. I know of at least two guy who didn't know the distinction, paid the double-bar fine, expensive drinks, etc. , get 'their' girls out of the bar only to be told they won't perform sexually with the guys. One of them made it all the way to his room before he found out. A few months ago on a weekend night, one of the bars opposite Tilac Bar had only two Go Go dancers working and the rest of the place was filled with Coyote.

If you know your way around, and yes I do, then you can still pull out some regular hotties. But the Coyotes have really messed up Soi Cowboy IMO.[/QUOTE]That's just complete stupidity on the part of the two guys you know. Whether you are in Thailand or elsewhere in the world, you should negotiate the services before you pay. What's odd about the situation you described is that these 2 guys never inquired about the price of ST / LT, the girls never mentioned it either, and your descriptions insinuates that these 2 guys were expecting the bar fine to also cover the cost of the sex act in itself.

I'm sorry but I'm going to call you out on your post by saying you are just complaining about the coyote girls in the bars and just made these stories up to support your complaint. Complete and utter BS I'm sorry to say. No offence intended but there are other ways to express your discontent with the coyote bar scene than to make up stories.

The more realistic version would probably go something like this. Said customer enters a bar and spots a beautiful coyote girl. After spending hours sitting, flirting, and buying many lady drinks, he inquiries about the bar fine and ST / LT rates. Said lady quotes a 2 or 3 K bar fine and a 6 k ST rate or says she does not go out with customers. Said customer then leaves the bar angrily thinking he was scammed.

And the morrow of the story is: when you assume.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1925168]Who are you to explain what my posts mean? I had no idea you followed my content so closely that you can now interpret the meaning of all my posts. That's a little creepy! LOL.[/QUOTE]My ex wife could read my mind. She always knew exactly what I was thinking, in a bad way, always looking for the worst possible. Problem was I was not thinking what she supposed at all. I had nicer thoughts. She was always looking for a negative aspect of everything. Yet she was absolutely certain she was right and would get angry. I would not understand what she was angry about. Naturally we got divorced in the end, as could not have a conversation for any length of time, before she misunderstood something badly in the wrong way, and yet we were both native English speakers.

I thought there must be something wrong with me, until I got a new girlfriend, not a native English speaker. When the same misunderstandings did not occur often, despite struggles with another language, I realised, no it was not exactly my problem, but my wife's. Only the speaker knows the real meaning of the phrase, intended.

Today I still have problems when using Thai unskilfully that GF will misunderstand taking what I say too literally, or extrapolating too much, rather than checking my intended meaning. She should know my character and that I am not thinking something too nasty, even if I say slightly the wrong thing, due to language skills not matching my exact thought. Fortunately it is not too often, like was with the ex wife.

If the meaning of a post is not Crystal clear or does not make good logical sense, we can always ask the writer what he really intended to mean. Plenty of times I got an angry response from someone thinking I was criticising them heavily, when I did not intend that. A reply to a post, is not always a disagreement or argument. It is just a comment perhaps adding something extra. Sometimes we ask questions. These should be considered as just simple questions seeking more information, rather than being assumed to be argumentative.

Its also O.K. if different writers have different opinions too. Some writers don't see the point in paying good money to fuck beautiful girls with limited skills. Yet I like doing exactly that. I don't see the point in fucking ugly girls no matter how skilful they are, even if they are freebies. I might be just strange but it just does not excite me enough. A doer more than a receiver. Dream girls for me. I rarely just lie there or just sit there and get serviced. I really try to get girls to enjoy if possible. Some clearly don't (and I label them dick scared - LOL). So very professional types are also not for me, if they cannot deviate from the normal session procedures.

There are posters to develop a track record of always posting something negative. However BKK Dog is not one of those. I do recall the odd Grumpy post. LOL but did not understand his reasons.

Habitual shit dumpers do exist like Luvpuss comes to mind. Don't know if ever posted anything useful at all. Then there was Francisass who had to have a negative "put down" response to every guy posting a positive experience on the Annies thread, which I labelled "the Vendetta". Did he ever post a positive review of anything?

[QUOTE=RonnieMonger;1924824]A scam in the sense that, while you and I know Coyote Girls are more eye candy than anything else, visitors to Bangkok would not easily be aware that they are doing a different job from the other go go dancers that they are dancing next to on the stage.[/QUOTE]Very good point to make RonnieMonger. Not every newbie is aware of this bait-and-lure tactic. And you won't find any of these girls wearing tags or signage that indicate their limitations. And the bars don't post any self help book "don't make assumptions about our employees" signs. Point of this site is to help each other, so you don't really need to explain and defend everything to an over-opinionated member. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1925175]Whether you are in Thailand or elsewhere in the world, you should negotiate the services before you pay. What's odd about the situation you described is that these 2 guys never inquired about the price of ST / LT, the girls never mentioned it either, and your descriptions insinuates that these 2 guys were expecting the bar fine to also cover the cost of the sex act in itself.
[/QUOTE]I must be weird in that I often do not inquire about services or negotiate a price before going with a girl as with my freelancer last night. However if I say we are going for "Chua Khrao" (short time) it is at least very clear that my purpose is for sex. With a fee not negotiated, the girl knows that she will have to give me a good time to get paid a significant amount. If a girl quotes money amount, I will probably want to know more about what that includes: how much time for sex at least, and does she kiss if I did not get any kissing as yet. I probably should have asked if my last Thermae girl would kiss. I did not realise her microbe phobia. On the other hand the price never was discussed either.

I certainly don't assume automatically that a Coyote girl will fuck. It is generally known that the "Arab's" bar girls probably do not fuck officially.

If a girl does not fuck, and I ask to barfine her, I never experienced any girl not warning me that she does not want to go for sex, that I can remember. So never been "scammed" in this way as such. I can recall cases where girl suddenly did not want to fuck any more once the hard on was seen though (and she was naked as well). Then the legs would seize up and make fucking almost impossible.

Some guys would say they were scammed to have bought all these drinks for a girl and then find out she does not fuck, or not today due to pain or her period, however buying drinks is not considered a guarantee that you can barfine the girl. The girl could even be waiting for her regular customer to arrive. Most girls would warn me if that was the case, but not guaranteed since she needs to seel drinks to meet her monthly quotas. Most Coyote girls are expected (by the boss) to sell a lot of drinks just for the pleasure of their company, in order to justify the girl's monthly salary. LOL Those that think this is a scam, need to stay away from the real Coyote girls. It is known that they are not sex providers (in general).

I don't stay away completely, but only entertain a very small number of selected superior girls. No interest in average girls. I have only entered the Arab's bars for very short times. I lost interest when the best girls were not coming to me, otherwise occupied. Any old average girl is not good enough for me. Why waste the money?

I try to write a lot about Coyotes, the real Coyotes and the "fake" ones, so others know what to expect, and don't get surprises. When I first came to Thailand, there was no forum to learn from. I did have an experienced buddy to tell me a few things, but he was incredibly stingy type, so always going for the lowest class cheapest, and did not like the same types of girls as me. His girls were all fat, for my taste. He liked big soft cuddly girls with big tits. There was only one girl ever we both liked, obviously not too skinny and big tits.

So its Friday, business finished with some half fancy dinner for all.

Its Friday, so everything seemed to be buzzing, including that horrendous traffic.

Took a tuktuk taxi (novelty factor) and sat thru heat and pollution to Soi cowboy! Finally here.

In all honesty, I felt like a fish with all hooks around me LOL.

Thought ID go check out Nana plaza, and this time took a motorbike taxi. I didn't die on the way!

Get there and I get the same vibe. After being scared by some lady boys, I decide to go check the area out.

There's a bar there as you get out to the right, noisy but good music. Saw this cutie smiling hard at me as I got in. Must be 20-25, fair, slim but seemingly nice boobs. I Reciprocated.

Got a drink and chilled at the edge looking at the street and she's smiling at me again. So I leave and tell her I'm hungry and going to eat. Want to join?

Lo and behold! She said yes. Overall English was OK and now I got her and I said I don't eat street food. Lets go in taxi near my hotel. This was the "is she interested" trick question. She says yes again.

As I flag a cab, I'm wondering what I'm getting into! Anyway get near there and there's a McD so got some munchies (yes yes, I ate McD in Thailand! And paid for hers too.

As I'm now thinking how to bring up the sex, there's this fake bag seller. I buy for you? Yes. A 1500 knock off of something I seemed to snare her. Now we go hotel? Yes she said.

Wow. Didn't think ID score like this. Its about 2 am when we walked in. And showered and had good sex twice before sleeping. Got woken up at 7 being told I go now. And all I could do was pretend I cared and gave her a goodbye and 200 for taxi. A night of great sex for a 1500 baht bag, McD and a 200 taxi fare? I love BKK.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1925175]That's just complete stupidity on the part of the two guys you know. Whether you are in Thailand or elsewhere in the world, you should negotiate the services before you pay. .[/QUOTE]My 2 cents worth.

1. If I sit with a girl and she rubs my leg and touches my cock for 15 minutes and that costs me a drink then I don't consider that a waste of money. I actually think that's good value. It would be annoying if I bought a drink and all I got was chit chat, but that would be a 1-drink mistake because I wouldn't buy her a second.

2. I've left with girls without me or them asking a price. In these instances the girls have probably been able to judge that the punter is a decent guy who is going to look after her. One recent girl just said after 30 minutes of touching me something like: "you can afford to compensate me can't you". I pulled out a wad of $100 notes for her to see, her smile widened and I quickly put them back into another pocket in my shorts that is hard to find and she didn't notice. In the morning I rolled up a bunch of notes in my hand and handed it to her. She didn't open it in front of me and she was obviously happy because we chatted on an app for the next few weeks. While she was travelling with some lucky rich dude. But then she said she fucked a DJ for free, I got annoyed and I deleted her.

I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.

Can someone help with meaning or Coyote type girls being referred too?

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]Just take a Taxi. Pay the driver the toll and his meter. Always make them use the meter.

RL.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]Walk outside the airport, jump on an orange bus which will take you to the first bts stop (mo chit). Take the bts down to your hotel.

[URL]http://www.thaizer.com/travel-in-thailand/airport-bus-service-to-and-from-bangkok-don-muang/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.thelongestwayhome.com/travel-guides/thailand/maps/Bangkok-MRT-BTS-map.png[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]Taxi Will be below 400. Most likely 350 all in.

Low Sukhumvit, I mean.

[QUOTE=Ricky81;1925378]I am in a budget tour to BKK and Pattaya, Could any one please advice me, how to reach Sukhmvit road from Don Muang Airport, what is the best mode of transport, please inbox me if possible.[/QUOTE]If you have an arrival boarding card at DMK or departure boarding card for BKK, you are entitled to the free shuttle bus from DMK to BKK. I do not know where it departs from at DMK.

[QUOTE=AsianRain;1925225]Very good point to make RonnieMonger. Not every newbie is aware of this bait-and-lure tactic. And you won't find any of these girls wearing tags or signage that indicate their limitations. And the bars don't post any self help book "don't make assumptions about our employees" signs. Point of this site is to help each other, so you don't really need to explain and defend everything to an over-opinionated member. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain.[/QUOTE]On ISG we have a couple of strange groups. The first group, the price police. This group will always criticize other posters about what they pay claiming there are ruining the market. The next, the scam police. This group claims that any encounter not going the way they hoped as a scam. They never communicate with the lady and assume everything. Everything is a scam to them and they are paranoid on a daily basis. This group should never visit SEA and should stay locked up in their safe little home country. Just sayin!

Just an impression update on the Japanese / Asian Only issue with most of the FLs (or most of the better looking ones) in Thermae.

As I have reported here I have had some very rewarding STs with 5 or so quite attractive FLs there in the past several months. Well, this past Saturday night around 9:30 pm a just arrived usa buddy of mine and I happened to be walking past Thermae and he said let's check out the place as he hadn't bothered to go in there for years.

Place was packed with FLs, the majority of them being young, early to mid 20s and above average in attractiveness vs the rest of the Bangkok P4 P scene, several well into the damned hot range. My buddy and I didn't buy ourselves a drink, we just cruised past the crowded line up on both sides of the bar, him trailing behind me a couple of steps. I have to say we were both met with huge smiles, reaching out gestures, nodding heads and the usual overt signs from virtually ALL of the girls we passed, the exceptions being rare enough to be counted in single digits and they were not even the better looking ones.

No, we didn't chat up any of the very, very eager interested parties because we were committed to heading elsewhere. But it sure seemed to me it would have been easy as rolling off a log to get any one of the better looking girls in Thermae on that particular night to agree to ST for the standard going rate of 2,000-2,500 baht. Now, whether or not that rate would buy me the level of service I require in general, I can't say because in this case I didn't stop to chat and ask any of them. But recent experience strongly suggests I would.

The basic profile for me and my buddy last Saturday night: I am a 63 year old Caucasian, weight proporttional to my height. My buddy is a 67 year old African American, a bit heavy for his height with a fairly prominent belly. Both of us were wearing long pants, he in slacks, me in jeans, real shoes not sandals, polo type shirts with collars and big, pleasant, inviting and sincere smiles for all the ladies.