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[QUOTE=Chachi420]On the contrary, i think the more travel there is, the quicker the required mental adjustment will take place.
It won't take long to understand that a smile and the odd compliment will get you further than grunting and waving baht notes.[/QUOTE]
I hope you are right, but I seriously doubt it.
All you need to do, is watch how some, if not most, visitors from W. Europe, (notably the Brits, Germans and Dutch) behave, after over 30 years of Pattaya sex tourism.
[QUOTE=Patty Boy]are the girls you pick up at the discos all freebies (assuming they don't ask about payment prior to going to your room) or do they expect that you will pay? [/QUOTE]
Most girls expect money, but if they don't ask then don't give. Sometimes they are to shy to ask, too drunk to remember to ask, or just want to have fun. If you're talking about discos on walking street, then 99% of the thai girls in the discos are prostitutes. If you score a freebie, just keep in mind that she is a prostitute and her profession is selling sex. Keep that in your head as you contemplate whether to hand over cash or not.
[QUOTE=Patty Boy]If you go to a disco like Lucifer and Insomnia and dance with the girls in the club and bring them back to your hotel for some overnight fun, are you generally expected to pay them the usual 1000 to 1500 the next morning or are these freebies?
I am fairly young (27) and good looking asian american male (apparently somewhat of a rarity in these parts according to some of the girls I have talked to?). I have been offered for free at several bars and go-gos (minus bar fine, and sometimes even bar fine).
Also, silly question, but at the discos is it considered poor form to make out / feel up the girls? What about doing it with one girl and moving onto the next girl?[/QUOTE]
Those are FL mainly, but I've noticed that those in the back are groupies for the band, (LUCIFERS), so wait till the band goes on break and see who belongs to who.
FL usually have a price, but they told you they don't see many guys like you here so keep workin it bro! Seems to me it is expected to make out/feel up, as long as she is having fun too.
[QUOTE=Patty Boy]
I am fairly young (27) and good looking asian american male (apparently somewhat of a rarity in these parts according to some of the girls I have talked to?). I have been offered for free at several bars and go-gos (minus bar fine, and sometimes even bar fine).
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I'd recommend you hang out in Bkk outside of the p4p scene where the cream of the crop is. Pattaya is the lowest end of the market with lots of throwbacks.
If you're what you say you are and the girls are throwing themselves at you, use your looks and get the best Thailand has to offer. The best is in BKK!
Good luck, and let us know your success!
[QUOTE=Patty Boy]This is my 4th day in Pattaya for a 2 week trip, and I'm having a good time. It is everything I've expected so far. Question for you guys.
If you go to a disco like Lucifer and Insomnia and dance with the girls in the club and bring them back to your hotel for some overnight fun, are you generally expected to pay them the usual 1000 to 1500 the next morning or are these freebies?
I am fairly young (27) and good looking asian american male (apparently somewhat of a rarity in these parts according to some of the girls I have talked to?). I have been offered for free at several bars and go-gos (minus bar fine, and sometimes even bar fine).
However, I went to Lucifer for the first time last night and a girl went back to my room, some mindblowing sex, and didn't ask for money the next day (my understanding is that they may be expecting that you pay?). I bought her lunch and she went off on her way. SO to end this long winded question, are the girls you pick up at the discos all freebies (assuming they don't ask about payment prior to going to your room) or do they expect that you will pay? There are at least a few hotties at the disco, and if I don't have to pay, I will probably be spending the rest of my time in discos instead of going to bars and gogos. At least you will know that the girl is interested in YOU and not your money.
Also, silly question, but at the discos is it considered poor form to make out / feel up the girls? What about doing it with one girl and moving onto the next girl?[/QUOTE]
In the past I have taken quite a few FLs from the discos in Pattaya I always offer them a 1000bht the next morning most accept but some have declined.
I would treat all girls the same don't just feel them up in the club unless they want you too.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]I'd recommend you hang out in Bkk outside of the p4p scene where the cream of the crop is. Pattaya is the lowest end of the market with lots of throwbacks.
If you're what you say you are and the girls are throwing themselves at you, use your looks and get the best Thailand has to offer. The best is in BKK!
Good luck, and let us know your success![/QUOTE]
OMG! Can't agree more. Been here two weeks and tired of seeing these fugly women. I've had to put mileage on my heels to find my body type that also looks really good. After sorting thru these ladyboys and beach rd. yaba junkies, and fugly cunts , what is left? Had a stunner actually give me ATTITUDE in Lucifer! Who is the ho *****! It still can be had by any man for 60 something bucks.
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]In the past I have taken quite a few FLs from the discos in Pattaya I always offer them a 1000bht the next morning most accept but some have declined.
I would treat all girls the same don't just feel them up in the club unless they want you too.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Amjeck]Most girls expect money, but if they don't ask then don't give. Sometimes they are to shy to ask, too drunk to remember to ask, or just want to have fun. If you're talking about discos on walking street, then 99% of the thai girls in the discos are prostitutes. If you score a freebie, just keep in mind that she is a prostitute and her profession is selling sex. Keep that in your head as you contemplate whether to hand over cash or not.[/QUOTE]I think of it as a business. They aren't there in the sex area to just get off (even if horny) or make friends, so I always offer 1000 in the morning like ThaiLearner. I think it's better to do this to avoid any trouble or unwanted girlfriend wannabe. I always try to tie it into something they said or I say something like "Here, I want you to enjoy the day at the beach with your girlfriends" or "Use this for shopping" or whatever so they save face. If they decline so be it.
[QUOTE=Patty Boy]If you go to a disco like Lucifer and Insomnia and dance with the girls in the club and bring them back to your hotel for some overnight fun, are you generally expected to pay them the usual 1000 to 1500 the next morning or are these freebies?[/QUOTE]I discretely put B1000 next to their handbag when they are in the shower. All the girls in these discos are there for the money, so they will take it even if they like you.
And remember, you pay a hooker to LEAVE, not to stay :)
[QUOTE=Naked Gunz]OMG! Can't agree more. Been here two weeks and tired of seeing these fugly women. I've had to put mileage on my heels to find my body type that also looks really good. After sorting thru these ladyboys and beach rd. yaba junkies, and fugly cunts , what is left? Had a stunner actually give me ATTITUDE in Lucifer! Who is the ho *****! It still can be had by any man for 60 something bucks.[/QUOTE]
I feel your pain bro! It's high season and the market is tough!
The funny thing with these tourist spots in Thailand (pattaya, samui, phuket) it seems like the more expensive, popular, and inundated with high spending tourists, the lesser the quality of meat that is available. I know that most of the good stuff is grabbed fast, but it just seems like the total supply gets worse with the increase in spending. I guess its that reverse Thai logic again!
I keep reading these threads about not being able to find hot girls, all I have to say is "What a bunch of crap".
As somebody that has lived here six years now and has more experience than almost every poster on this board, I will be glad to provide you the real facts.
First, if you think the second you roll into town the most beautiful girl in Thailand is just going to jump into your bed, I have to tell you sorry that is not going to happen.
But, if you are willing to do a little work, like an hours worth at the most and spend a little money you can take home a STUNNER every night. Without question, you will find the hottest girls on the most consistent basis at the Go-Go bars on walking street.
The ones I start at, which also are the best paying are Happy A Go-Go, Super Baby's and Super Girls. If you can't get a super model out of one of those bars, well then it is like the old saying isn't it, "You can't even get laid in a brothel with a wad full of cash."
But, if you sit at some beer bar all night long getting drunk because they have inexpensive beer and you are cheap, you are not going to find anything.
For all of you that are commenting on the quality of the girls on beach road, they are now and always have been the lowest of the low. I really can't believe you would spend so much money to get over here and go with girls that guys like me that live here NEVER touch.
I don't know how many Go-Go bars there are on walking street, maybe 100 or so. Maybe 1,000 beer bars, all you have to do is look around. There are literally thousands of free lancers on the street too.
I don't go to the discos too much; instead I just stand out on the street for 15 minutes or so and watch 100's of them walk by and pick out the first super star that pass by. Really, how hard is that?
That being said, you can find super hotties at any bar on any given night, you just never know. The girls just move around so much and there are always so many new ones coming to town.
As for the prices, I have been here six years and the prices for the girls hasn't changed one bit. The beer prices have gone up, but even the best Go-Go bars like Harpy's, they have 55 Baht draft beer specials.
As for the guy complaining because some girl did not want to go with him, are you kidding me seriously? I am sure you don't look like Tom Cruse and besides that you never know what else the girl had in mind that night.
Maybe she was meeting her friends latter, maybe her boyfriend, maybe she just didn't like you as hard is that is to believe, maybe you were drunk out of your mind, which is my guess, who knows.
Even the best super model at the best Go-Go bar gets turned down 10 times for every customer that takes her. So, why would anybody ever get upset because one girl turned him down?
For all of you that are reading there comments that have never been here, the truth is all above. Are there fat girls here, yes? Are there ugly girls here, yes? Are there stunners everywhere you go here, yes? And you can have them if you put in a little effort.
If your smart and are going to be here two weeks or so, get yourself a mobile phone. They are cheap and every girl has one. If you meet a girl you like, get her number and call her over for a little afternoon action. They all love this, because it is like free money for them, since they did not have to work for it by finding somebody new.
After a week of doing this you will have 20 numbers of different girls that will be glad to be with you all day if you like. Also, one other thing, when you take a girl the 2nd time the experience gets better. They now think of you as there friend. So, not only is it easier to take them from the bar, you have more fund too.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]I keep reading these threads about not being able to find hot girls, all I have to say is "What a bunch of crap".[/QUOTE]
I kind of agree with you here, but it really depends on what one considers as being a "hot girl". I find it more difficult in Pattaya than 10 years ago, but it's for several reasons, one of them being that my own taste in local women as a long term resident is not the same than during my first stays here as a tourist.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]As somebody that has lived here six years now and has more experience than almost every poster on this board, I will be glad to provide you the real facts.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but you're a bit presumptuous here. Fortunately, you wrote "almost", but you are not the only one among the frequent posters of this board who lives in Thailand on a daily basis since year 2003 or earlier. If you were speaking about this particular section of ISG forum, it's certainly truer, but you should have stated it a bit differently in my humble opinion.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]First, if you think the second you roll into town the most beautiful girl in Thailand is just going to jump into your bed, I have to tell you sorry that is not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
Sure. I would say that it's very unlikely that the "most beautiful girl in Thailand" (according to which and whose criteria by the way?) resides in Pattaya and even more unlikely that she would be available in the P4P market. As far as I'm concerned, I find more beautiful girls (in average) among young women that have a "regular" job than among prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]But, if you are willing to do a little work, like an hours worth at the most and spend a little money you can take home a STUNNER every night. Without question, you will find the hottest girls on the most consistent basis at the Go-Go bars on walking street.[/QUOTE]
In average, you might be right, but I haven't seen many pictures posted by you so far, so it's difficult to know exactly what you consider as the "hottest girls". I might have missed some of your reports, but have not been impressed by the few girls that I saw in your company, for instance in this report: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=521971#post521971[/url]
In my humble opinion, one of them is cute, but certainly not a stunner (at least for me). Maybe could you post more recent pictures of some go-go girls that you consider the hottest women in town?
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]... For all of you that are commenting on the quality of the girls on beach road, they are now and always have been the lowest of the low. I really can't believe you would spend so much money to get over here and go with girls that guys like me that live here NEVER touch.[/QUOTE]
You might be right, but, I've found some real stunners on Beach Road, and even more important, those girls are (in average again) more likely to perform very well in the sack, while some go-go girls may be very disappointing once back at your place or in your hotel room. According to my own experience (but YMMV, of course), you can get more fun for your bucks with Beach Road girls than with go-go girls. Alas, it seems that the (average) quality of providers has dramatically decreased in the recent years on Beach Road, but maybe, it's just me. It was quite easy to find a very good-looking girl there for an early afternoon fun on my first stays here, but nowadays, there's not much available there early in the day. It's better once the night has fallen though.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]I don't go to the discos too much; instead I just stand out on the street for 15 minutes or so and watch 100's of them walk by and pick out the first super star that pass by. Really, how hard is that?[/QUOTE]
Been there, done that and yes, it's not difficult at all. But it might require a lot more than 15 minutes in order to find a real stunner if one is a bit more picky than you.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]That being said, you can find super hotties at any bar on any given night, you just never know. The girls just move around so much and there are always so many new ones coming to town.[/QUOTE]
That's true.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]As for the prices, I have been here six years and the prices for the girls hasn't changed one bit... [/QUOTE]
Two or three years ago (but it didn't last very long), I've noticed a slight inflation (again in average) in prices for the girls, for instance on Beach Road and for many freelancers from Walking Street (my two favorite hunting grounds in Pattaya). Ten years ago, it was also easier to get two (yes, 2!) decent girls in their early twenties from Beach Road for a total amounting 500 or 600 baht in the early afternoon for a ST session. Nowadays, it's (almost) impossible mission for the average Joe (but it's still possible with older and less attractive women). But almost everybody can still get a ST session for 500 baht and a LT one for 1000 baht from a single provider working on Beach Road (and from many freelancers available in several other places), and those prices are the same than 10 years ago. Barfines are (in average) higher than in the past (ten years ago, it was only 200 baht in almost every bar - not speaking about go-go's here).
By the way, one can still get a cheap blow job in the woods located near Arthachinda Road for 200 baht and a cheap fuck for 300 baht (or even less with the uglier and older girls), but it's not for the faint of heart: I don't know for sure where to find the most beautiful girls in Thailand, but that's certainly not in this area (even though once in a while, one can find an almost decent looking girl there).
I agree with most of your other comments. Just wanted to add that the most beautiful girls are not always the most expensive ones and one should not disregard some places (such as Beach Road, for instance) because some real gems still can be found here, despite them being (in my humble opinion) less numerous than in the past...
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]I keep reading these threads about not being able to find hot girls, all I have to say is "What a bunch of crap".
As somebody that has lived here six years now and has more experience than almost every poster on this board, [/QUOTE]
Post your pics of your girls then we'll all have our say. If you can't see the changing trends in pattaya regarding quality, I'm sorry to say, but we're not seeing the same thing. Or maybe you find the 23yo+ market hot. If you do, then all the power to you.
You mentioned one thing in your post that is the truth: It takes work, time and energy to find something good to take home for the night. I guess you like working. I'm finding that I work harder and spend more time searching than I used to.
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In average, you might be right, but I haven't seen many pictures posted by you so far, so it's difficult to know exactly what you consider as the "hottest girls". I might have missed some of your reports, but have not been impressed by the few girls that I saw in your company, for instance in this report: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=521971#post521971[/url]
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If this is his definition of hot, then yes, he is in heaven! Can get this quality (low quality IMO) all day long in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]I keep reading these threads about not being able to find hot girls, all I have to say is "What a bunch of crap".[quote]All I have to say is "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
And with that being said... between Phuket, BKK, and Pattaya, I find the most attractive girls (to me) in Pattaya and they are plentiful. For the people who don't think the girls I like are stunners, thank you! It helps keep their prices low and my happiness up.
We're in Thailand so it really is up to you. And of course it takes some research (or alcohol consumption) to find the cuties that match your taste.
Will be flying into Bangkok next week around midnight. I understand there are buses that leave directly from the airport to Pattaya. Does anyone know if the run through the night? Can I hop on a bus at 1am?