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[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.[/QUOTE]If Thailand wants to get back to the Glory Sex days they need the Foreign Sex Workers in Large Numbers. Those girls have the.
Incentive to Work Bar. Hahaha.
[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766167]Pre covid Barfines have always been higher in Pattaya than in Bangkok. Ex. Happy agogo.
I've never seen many girls getting barfined there, neither girls being bought Drinks by the boatload.
Nothings changed really.[/QUOTE]Trust me things DID change.
1. Salaries from Gogobars went up from 10 k /10 days to 20 k /10 days. So a model in some gogobars can now make 60 K a MONTH without barfine!
PR ladies now make about 9 K /10 days.
2. Also the salaries in bars went up. Compare to precovid a 50-100% raise seems valid for most working girls.
3. More gogobars offer "VIP" service. Another sign its more about drinks than barfine these days.
4. barfines have increased (Pinup before midnight might quote you 2500 barfine now).
So compare to precovid the incentive for a barfine is less for the girls. Simple. Why would they fuck some fat farang who could be their dad if they make 5-6 time the minimum already?
On facebook I see payslips for gogobar girls who make 90 k+ a month (salary and drinks)!
[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766166]Have you been checking out Sir Lancelot girls? He gives names of both bars and girls.[/QUOTE]Agree, THAT's [B]Sir Lancelot[/B], with a lot of ACTIONABLE INTEL. Same with [B]Paolo99[/B] and [B]Banana Boi[/B] (quick read of the most recent 10 pages). You, what [I]I[/I] read, not so much. That Rainbow 4, Rainbow 5 Nana bars are hopping really not news. 505 is a beauty, fine, bar fine, asking price, accepted price, length of service [S]...[/S] Big difference between a TRUE FR and wishful thinking, IMHO. Yes, I comment a lot, but I also post FR's with ACTIONABLE INTEL, but then again, I'm not a REMF. But it IS a free forum and anybody can post as they wish. As the Thai's often say, "Up to you".
[QUOTE=11Bravo;2766292]Agree, THAT's [B]Sir Lancelot[/B], with a lot of ACTIONABLE INTEL. Same with [B]Paolo99[/B] and [B]Banana Boi[/B] (quick read of the most recent 10 pages). You, what [I]I[/I] read, not so much. That Rainbow 4, Rainbow 5 Nana bars are hopping really not news. 505 is a beauty, fine, bar fine, asking price, accepted price, length of service [S]...[/S] Big difference between a TRUE FR and wishful thinking, IMHO. Yes, I comment a lot, but I also post FR's with ACTIONABLE INTEL, but then again, I'm not a REMF. But it IS a free forum and anybody can post as they wish. As the Thai's often say, "Up to you".[/QUOTE]Secret about the Sir Report. Very well written.
Purely conjecture on my part,. Boi Banana has little interest it has too much info. Hahaha.
Banana Is looking for Pretty Girls. Not 1,000 bahters in Treetown, Soi 6 etc.
[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2766269]Trust me things DID change.
1. Salaries from Gogobars went up from 10 k /10 days to 20 k /10 days. So a model in some gogobars can now make 60 K a MONTH without barfine!
PR ladies now make about 9 K /10 days.
2. Also the salaries in bars went up. Compare to precovid a 50-100% raise seems valid for most working girls.
3. More gogobars offer "VIP" service. Another sign its more about drinks than barfine these days.
4. barfines have increased (Pinup before midnight might quote you 2500 barfine now).
So compare to precovid the incentive for a barfine is less for the girls. Simple. Why would they fuck some fat farang who could be their dad if they make 5-6 time the minimum already?
On facebook I see payslips for gogobar girls who make 90 k+ a month (salary and drinks)![/QUOTE]Trust me bro.
Devil's always in the Details.
60,000 baht salary isn't given without conditions.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.[/QUOTE]There have always been plenty of women from Laos here. And they speak English. But I guess it depends on your circle. I am speaking on the freelance circuit. The bar circuit I do not know much about.
[QUOTE=MartinFlevo;2766269]Trust me things DID change.
So compare to precovid the incentive for a barfine is less for the girls. Simple. Why would they fuck some fat farang who could be their dad if they make 5-6 time the minimum already?[/QUOTE]No matter, as always you can still ask about bar fine before sitting down to squander money on a bunch of drinks.
That's because you don't actually live there.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya. Most mongers can't tell the difference, except I haven't found one who can speak English yet.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766258]I keep hearing Pattaya girls don't need to be Barfined because of their Juicy contracts. Really?
Don't the contracts have minimums they have to meet?
I have to believe the Bars aren't giving money away.
Last time I was at Pins ups a few months ago Yes it had a lot of customers but a lot of girls when not on stage were just sitting on their hands. No gulping down of lady drinks.
Then you go to bars with very few customers you wonder why even open.[/QUOTE]I think there might be a reckoning after high season as some.
Go Go's struggle to stay in business, but it all depends on demand. If there are enough customers willing accept these huge barfines ect then the high prices will continue. $200/ night on a ST including lady drinks, the barfine, and the girl's price in a top Go Go will become common if mongers keep travelling to Thailand and are willing to shell out the cash. You would think some smart bar owners would try to compete with lower prices and better service or some savvy girls would go around the bar and take care of customers in the afternoon or something, but this is LOS, so who knows what is going to happen in 2023 and beyond.
At 2 pm me and my friends decided to head for another action-packed day on soi 6. I optimistically put three condoms in to my pocket, vowing to make up for the lack of action the night before.
We started at Love Missile, Kim Jong-un's favourite bar. It's situated a short distance from the 2nd Road end of the street and there were ten girls wearing air pilot uniforms. One girl was pretty with pale skin and bright red lipstick but looked aloof and preoccupied and my favourite had a cute face with a pink streak in her hair. I'd have happily bought either a drink but I know what would have happened, I'd have taken them upstairs and the guys would rib me for deserting them so early!
It was Owen's choice next and he chose Playgirls. There were only six girls, the prettiest of which, with dark Isaan features, was chatting with a man with grey hair. There was also a large girl with huge tits if that's your thing.
I've noticed girls on soi 6 doing a strange ritual. They stand in front of the bar and empty beer on to the street in a circular motion, before holding their hands together in a wai. It's meant to bring good luck, so I couldn't resist doing it with the last few mouthfuls of my beer. The girls found it funny but Owen was horrified I'd waste amber nectar like that.
I got served by a very distinctive looking girl at Ruby Club. She had pale skin and a lovely face. I've been taking too many small, skinny girls on this trip and my dick twitched in my pants at her curvier figure and jiggly tits. Sometimes I like a girl with a bit of meat on the bone.
She told me she was 21 but she looked late twenties.
If I was to achieve my target of two or three girls, I needed to get a girl under my belt early and this girl turned me on. The room cost 400 and she quoted 1500 but accepted 1000.
'One hour, one shot' she said.
'Shot of what?' I replied innocently.
The room was the best soi 6 room I've ever seen. It was clean and well illuminated (it's a nice change to have a window) but by far the best feature were two big mirrors, one at the foot of the bed and one at the head.
After showering separately we lay next to each other on the bed and she gave me a handjob, followed by a porn-style blowjob with lots of mmms. She surfaced for air and laughed when she saw my dick was covered by her cheap red lipstick. I always enjoy giving a girl with a bit of meat on the bone a good pounding in mish. I then fucked her doggy-style which looked amazing in the mirrors. Because they were facing eachother, there were a hundred reflections of me fucking her from behind, disappearing in to infinite.
I eased her to lie flat on the bed and slapped in to her soft arsecheeks before she rode me like she was on a bucking bronco. She was a little bit too theatrical for my liking, gasping 'oh Lance, I like, I like' but aside from that it was exactly the kind of session I come to soi 6 for.
After I showered I was drying myself off with a towel when she laughed and pointed at my dick gently swinging from side to side. She spun her finger and asked 'can you do?' So I stood there in the bathroom door doing 'the helicopter', reducing her to hysterics. A proud moment for sure.
I was in the room for 51 minutes. I know that because I timed it, which might sound a strange thing to do but I was convinced Owen would pretend he timed it and say I was upstairs for much less!
I met up with the guys in Kawaii Bar. From my time in Japan I think 'kawaii' means 'cute' and indeed there were some pretty girls, all wearing red lacy underwear. Ordinarily I'd have invited one to join me but I needed a tactical timeout for a few bars at least.
Next door at Where Angels Play Owen bought a drink for a nice looking girl with shorter hair and small tits. She quoted him a ludicrous price of 3000 but immediately came down to 2000, still too much. Owen is a relaxed, smily guy and his negotiating skills are obviously on point because he got her down to 1300. With all that effort you'd think he would have taken her upstairs but he likes to visit lots of bars first before choosing the lucky girl.
It was Sam's turn to buy a drink for a very pretty 20 year old in Liquid. She looked eerily similar to the girl he has barfined every day for a week from Area 52, but far prettier in my opinion, with the added bonus of big tits. He enquired about prices and was quoted just 1200. She must be new to the job and not realise her potential yet because she was undoubtedly prettier than most of the girls who quote 1500.
Of course what the girls quote and what they accept are two totally different amounts.
Sam followed her to a room upstairs while me, Owen and Bob went to Playpen. There were 12 girls and I bought a drink for a pretty girl with braces on her teeth. She was good fun and I was very tempted to barfine her but she asked 'another drink for me' twice which tipped the scales. We stepped back out on to the street in time to see Sam grinning like a Cheshire cat.
There was a lovely fair-haired girl outside Repent, so I held her hand and walked her inside with me. She had a slim, slender figure (emphasised by the black and white lacy nurses outfit she was wearing) but my favourite thing about her was whenever she smiled, which was a lot, her nose wrinkled cutely. How could I resist? She asked for 1500 but accepted 1000 and a few minutes later I was following her peachy bum up a steep staircase at the back of the bar.
Following the relative luxury of the room earlier in the day, this one was dark and devoid of furniture apart from a hard bed and a wardrobe. It was hot so I asked her to turn the air-con on before we both showered.
The sex was good and she was happy to try any position I wanted. After I shot my load I was the perfect gentlemen and ensured she climaxed too. I never used to be fussed by oral but now I love the view looking up when a girl sits on your face, especially when they begin quivering uncontrollably.
It was 8. 30 pm and I couldn't find the guys anywhere. I checked my Line and apparently Owen went lone wolf, Bob got put in a taxi drunk and Sam was back in Tree Town. I was disappointed but will return at least once more before I fly home on Monday.
I decided to relax in my room for a few hours, during which time two options emerged for the girl I'd spend tonight with.
Firstly the pretty girl from Oh Bar messaged me on Line, telling me she wasn't with a customer. Secondly Nui, the ultra cute girl I fucked on soi 6 a week ago messaged me, asking what I was up to. I fired off a reply and suggested she could come to my room for long-time. Line let's you see when recipients read your messages and half an hour passed and she hadn't opened my message. I decided I couldn't wait.
I got dressed and headed out in to the warm night, aiming for the pretty girl at Oh Bar.
As I was walking along soi Buakhao a ladyboy stepped in to my path. When she did the same about a week ago I politely declined but made the mistake of telling her she was beautiful to let her down gently. Problem is, she now accosts me whenever I walk past!
My plan to barfine the girl from Oh Bar fell at the last hurdle. I was just about to cut through to the beer bar complex from Tree Town when Mae Mae waved me down in front of Moonlight. The reason being, Sam was inside with his Area 52 girl. I had a drink and a few games of pool, before Sam told me he was going to Sweethearts right next to Oh Bar. Although I want to barfine the girl from Oh Bar I think it would be cruel to do it under Sam's nose so I abandoned the plan.
I checked my phone and Nui had finally replied to my message. She asked for 3000 long-time but accepted my 2000 counter-offer and we arranged for her to come to my hotel at 1. 30 am after she had eaten with friends.
I returned to my room, showered and waited. Last night I was in exactly the same position but the girl let me down, firstly by being over an hour late and secondly by forgetting her ID card. Would Nui be just as unreliable?
The answer was no. For some reason she wasn't able to find my hotel but found LK Metropole, so I got changed and retrieved her. It was just starting to rain lightly as we walked hand-in-hand back to my hotel. She looked incredibly cute, standing less than five foot tall with pigtails. She looked about 15 but was 21.
I haven't met a girl who enjoys kissing as much as Nui. As we fucked slowly in mish she practically ate my face off! She loved having her neck kissed and groaned loudly whenever I sucked her earlobes. She had small tits but huge erect nipples, begging to be sucked. She jumped on to all-fours and I fucked her tight pussy from behind, then she rode me. The sex went on for ages, we couldn't get enough of each other.
Afterwards we curled up next to each other and drifted off to sleep. I was woken some time later by her stroking my dick. We kissed for probably about half an hour but I was too tired for anything more so we cuddled up to each other again and fell asleep.
I was woken by her stroking my dick again, maybe an hour later as it was just starting to get light outside. This girl was a nymphomaniac!
We kissed passionately, her on top of me, grinding her shaven pussy against my throbbing erection, before she skilfully guided me in to her, bareback. The sex that followed was magical. It was slow, sensual and incredibly intimate, with kissing throughout.
Pattaya girls are great actresses, it's part of their job description, but here was a girl who genuinely seemed to enjoy her work, initiating sex during the night when she could have just let me sleep.
What a girl. In my opinion she's one of the superstars of soi 6, a sexy, cute, affectionate sex addict.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2766213]And there's another wrinkle: ladies from Laos are infiltrating Pattaya.[/QUOTE]After reading and responding to this this morning, went out and got into the elevator and met a new girl in the building. From Laos!
[QUOTE=Tomasb;2766412]That's because you don't actually live there.[/QUOTE]There are many posters here with many different expectations from this site. Not everyone's expectations are met, so there is naturally some disappointment expressed here.
For example, some participants here want explicit descriptions, ie they want to know what "Nong" does, how much she charges, and where she works. The problem is, by the time they get to Pattaya, Nong is long gone from her former bar, or she charges more, or she has a sponsor and doesn't go with customers anymore. Precise topical information is worthless unless you are in Pattaya right now, and even then, YMMV.
My preference is to read reports that provide environmental information, to give me an expectation of what I will experience if I go somewhere. Sometimes, lack of information is in itself information. If all the posts about Nakhon Nowhere are questions about where the ladies are, that tells me that there aren't many ladies there. Sir Lancelot's excellent posts may be topical, but they also convey information about the current environment in Pattaya, ie that there are more ladies than you can fuck right now.
I tend to post about a different facet: the scams that ladies run to extract money from customers. Most of the time, you don't know you are being scammed. These can run from extracting huge sums from idiot sponsors to chin jobs. Most guys lose money to a bargirlfriend who hands their money to their Thai boyfriend, even if the girl is staying in the same room as her victim. Here's the hint: if you are paying more than 2,000 baht for LT, it's a scam. In other words, if you are in Pattaya for 2 weeks, have a lady staying with you every night for 2 weeks, and you give her more than 28,000 baht including after you leave Pattaya, you are being scammed.
Or, if you meet a lady, and she quickly invites you to her village, it's a scam.
These ladies mostly think about money, how to drain as much of your savings as possible, to hand to some moto driver boyfriend, or, in rare cases, to send to their families.
[QUOTE=TimTimms;2766258]I keep hearing Pattaya girls don't need to be Barfined because of their Juicy contracts. Really?
Don't the contracts have minimums they have to meet?
I have to believe the Bars aren't giving money away.
Last time I was at Pins ups a few months ago Yes it had a lot of customers but a lot of girls when not on stage were just sitting on their hands. No gulping down of lady drinks.
Then you go to bars with very few customers you wonder why even open.[/QUOTE]Lately I was sitting near two guys that were obviously managing an Agogo in Pattaya in a bakery.
One foreigner and an Asian guy (probably Thai).
They were talking about some problems they were facing (in English).
It seems like they have very little control over the girls, the foreigner was complaining that one girl comes and sit without doing anything to attract customers, another comes with inappropriate clothes (he was saying something like " we cannot let her come like this, we have to find her some good outfit" another had just told him she wants to get on a contract (then he said "if we put her on contract we'll have to put pressure for the drinks") and finally the last thing he said before I left was that he was asking the Asian guy to find some good quality girls, obviously their girls are not very good (and they know it) and he looked desperate to attract so good quality girls.
[QUOTE=ThaiGoodTimes;2766225]And I just looked through your posts of the last four months and similarly found what you call "nothing of value."
Not a single post of a bar, a girl, pricing, or anything of use to a monger seeking a companion.
So, I would suggest you don't throw stones when you are in a glass house.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are right. I myself haven't posted anything useful. I will be careful from now on and will try to make informative posts.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]It's becoming more common to find girls that can't be barfined in Pattaya. I call them "coyotes", since they are there as eye candy to draw in customers, but the term has other uses in Pattaya.
There have always been drinks only ladies in Pattaya, but now it is widespread. It is possible that bar owners are encouraging this to generate more revenue from drinks, since drink money generated when a lady goes with a customer is zero.[/QUOTE]Why not directly pointing out which bar exactly you're talking about instead of saying some vague stuff that serves nobody.
Tell the names of these bars so that nobody goes there anymore and the market shut them down and hopefully replace them by better places.
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]If I bought a bunch of drinks for a lady and then she told me she can't be barfined, I would be pissed. The real question is why this is growing, but I think it's prompted by bar owners.[/QUOTE]The question is why would you do that in the first place, unless you're looking for it to happen?
You don't have the time to ask her during the first drink you bought her? Why pay her multiple drinks before asking her important questions?
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2765733]A slight variation is the lady who can go Long Time, but not stay all night. There is a fantasy among mongers that ladies prefer nice hotel rooms to their crappy rented rooms, but ladies like to sleep in their own beds. Also, many don't want sex in the morning. So they head home after 2 am or so, if possible. I know some who get up at 6 am when they are with customers, to make sure their kids go to school.[/QUOTE]You talk as if you know everything but a bar girl is a human being. They can be different from one to another and have different considerations.
I've met 1 that told me she leaves at 8 o'clock in the morning when she does a long time because she doesn't want to be a disturbance to the guy that barfined her.
So what about her?