Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]I think some pretty serious realization sets in the last 20 pages. I wasn't so wrong with being grumpy. Currently I need to decide whether I stay here or go back to South America, and I am vacillating on a twice daily basis. Either I leave on Monday or I extend my stay for another 45 days. Started to look up yesterday, looking forward to do some go-go bars in fact, even not caring by the fact that prices are frankly through the roof. But what is giving me major second thoughts now is reviewing the last 20 pages, and also have been checking out some long term Pattaya guru on YouTube "everything Pattaya" channel.

As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience..[/QUOTE]Not to rub it in but.

In my experience Soi 6 girls have always looked disinterested, even offended if you google them PRECovid. Nothing new there.

Trust me Pattaya Agogo girls aren't any different from Soi 6 as far as attitude.

I've never seen such a bunch of not bad lookers at Happy who just weren't interested in customers. PRE COVID, I surmised they knew they weren't getting Barfined. Just watch the clock from start of shift.

There are plenty of alternatives to Soi 6 and gogos, just go to Soi Chaiyapoon, where the ladies are not so lazy.

But I do agree that High Season creates a sellers' market, so I am heading to Brazil for the duration.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.
But the problem right now aren't even the excess of blokes (except on ThaiFriendly, which I believe is an extremely fast seller's market right now) so much as the excess of bars competing for girls paying them exorbitant salaries leaving them lazy.[/QUOTE]What are you going to do in South America that you are not going to do here? Surely you are not going to be walking down a Soi 6 type place being able to complain that chicks are not interested.

What are your priorities? Do you want to drink? Do you want to party? Do you want to fuck? My priority is chicks to fuck. And I have never had a problem with that in Pattaya as long as I have been able to walk around and talk to any random chick and there has been a Thai Friendly.

If I was the type of guy that felt he had to go to a bar or gogo and spend a ton on drinks before he could get laid then maybe I would be trying to run off somewhere else too. I have never reported that one must go to a bar in Pattaya. All that is needed is to walk past any random chick and say where are you going.

To me this place is paradise and I have no complaints. I have even been giving chicks a raise. I used to pay 1000 for all night now I have stepped it up to 1200. There has been no shortage of pussy for me. And I am not even mentioning normal free chicks with regular jobs. TF chick came over last night. I told her to open wide. She said do you see how big your dick is and how small my mouth is. Then I was admiring her body with some kisses. She said are you going to be kissing all night or are you going to fuck me. She left this morning at 10 having to go to temple after getting fucked again.

Seriously in all these years with hundreds of chicks I have had only 2 bad experiences. That is the chick that karate kicked my TV that time and a girl that came in scared to death praying that I had to throw out. I do not get the lazy chicks that you are talking about. Maybe that is because I do not do my shopping at bars and gogos. Fuck that middle man BS. Take me straight to the source.

I'm bar owner. I contract girl for one month salary for 10,000 which is say $300.

She isn't getting a dime unless she sell $600 worth of drinks. Do you all see a problem.

No way is a bar owner going to pay $300 for a girl to just be there.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.[/QUOTE]Let's see: she makes enough in salary on the job that she doesn't have to do any [I]dirty[/I] work. Seems pretty smart to me, adequate salary while avoiding the [I]hard[/I] (pun intended) work. Sure, you're disappointed that she's not eager to service you (that's 2nd person plural), but that's her decision. Nothing lazy about it. Her job is to bring in cash for the bar, how she successfully does it is up to her. Free market.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2767538]But I do agree that High Season creates a sellers' market, so I am heading to Brazil for the duration.[/QUOTE]Don't go. People were saying high season is the moment they had been waiting for because there are more girls.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2767575]Let's see: she makes enough in salary on the job that she doesn't have to do any [I]dirty[/I] work. Seems pretty smart to me, adequate salary while avoiding the [I]hard[/I] (pun intended) work. Sure, you're disappointed that she's not eager to service you (that's 2nd person plural), but that's her decision. Nothing lazy about it. Her job is to bring in cash for the bar, how she successfully does it is up to her. Free market.[/QUOTE]Ok, point taken. But for how long is this type of behavior going to work without adversely affecting the demand side of the equation. I for one won't put up with it. I know of other mongering destinations besides LOS where the girls are still attentive and super friendly to their potential customers. Back to Pattaya, significantly fewer customers at these bars will mean less profits or no profits and the new business model will fail.

That is the hope anyway. I mean I don't know anybody who will fly 10 to 24 hours to a mongering destination to not get laid or put up with disinterested, spoiled, little prima donnas. But what do I know? Maybe the relaxed marijuana rules along with the addition of weed shops everywhere will change the paradigm. Maybe the new generation of woke male visitors don't want to boom boom. We will just have to see what happens, but most of mongering friends are already going elsewhere.

I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. I actually am laughing at this bullshit. Thailand is a shit place, and whatever this bar owner here says is a lie. These girls are lazy. And sure you can put a good spin on this, of course they are smart. Women alway everywhere try to get away with least amount of inconvenience. My point is here they are somehow spoiled to the max. This place is worthless. Sure you can squeeze out some mechanical sex. Sure you can be in your prime when you should pick up grirls for free anywhere in the world (so what are you doing here bragging while you pay for sex?) This place is shit. And what do I get better in south America? To start with: a brain to talk with. Even venezuelan girls who hate the business at least some are smart enough to connect human to human when someone meets them as a human. Others have conversation and we can talk about what we like in sex, and then do it. I can't even get off on vanilla sex, and hey, it's not mish position that sucks, its doggy style. The epitome of disconnected motions. No connection whatsoever. I had girls on TF respond so rude they are only intersted in ST fuck and go. Why would I even waste my time on something that starts out so unfriendly?

Now do me a favor and don't all come to Brazil to spoil it here. Stay in your Pattaya shithole and gp through the motions. Buy that lady drink for a girl who has no intention to please you.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767591]Ok, point taken. But for how long is this type of behavior going to work without adversely affecting the demand side of the equation. I for one won't put up with it. I know of other mongering destinations besides LOS where the girls are still attentive and super friendly to their potential customers. Back to Pattaya, significantly fewer customers at these bars will mean less profits or no profits and the new business model will fail.

That is the hope anyway. I mean I don't know anybody who will fly 10 to 24 hours to a mongering destination to not get laid or put up with disinterested, spoiled, little prima donnas. But what do I know? Maybe the relaxed marijuana rules along with the addition of weed shops everywhere will change the paradigm. Maybe the new generation of woke male visitors don't want to boom boom. We will just have to see what happens, but most of mongering friends are already going elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Axel is getting the gist. It's not just me. When things go to shit, it happens slowly, and then suddenly. Isugget to the bar owners here to get ready to invest elsewhere. This business model is unsustainable. I am invested in a pharmacy and my operation manager insists on treating customers with kindness and warmth. Once the guys stop pretending and upholding this sharade everything will collapse rapidly. So either fix this now or get ready for a big collapse. You won't likely get lucky to own the Mulain Ruge selling drinks with the name of "blow jog" to middle aged tourist couples.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. [/QUOTE]Man your mileage is varying like a mf. Whenever I walk down Soi 6 there is no shortage of chicks coming out to grab me and talking shit. Even today at 2 pm I rode through and chicks were coming out grabbing at me talking about boom boom when I was on my motorbike. I don't know what to tell you.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2767591]Ok, point taken. But for how long is this type of behavior going to work without adversely affecting the demand side of the equation.[/QUOTE]I have not seen a shortage of guys in these places who are not content buying plenty of drinks for themselves and the ladies. Just look at SL's posts.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. I actually am laughing at this bullshit. Thailand is a shit place.[/QUOTE]Your experiences on soi 6 are completely different to mine. Over the past three weeks I've fucked ten girls on soi 6 and they were great. All young and pretty and two (maybe three) of them were superstars (a winning combination of good looks, great attitude and amazing sex). In fact one of them provided some of the most memorable sex I've ever had so I long-timed her on two separate occasions. I agree things are different on soi 6 these days. In the past you'd go in and be swarmed upon by eager girls, nowadays a lot of the girls stay at the front of the bar looking disinterested, sit in the back eating, or are prepping their hair in the mirror. You need to summon a girl to join you, especially in the numerous Nightwish bars.

I'm guessing if you were ignored, you simply weren't proactive enough. Once you get talking to the girls, they're friendly and eager to please. Of course there are exceptions. One pretty girl I bought a drink for didn't make any effort with conversation and another told me she didn't go with customers, but I chatted with a LOT of girls on soi 6 and these were my only negative experiences. Half of the girls spoke very little English but I still had lots of fun communicating with them. I wouldn't have taken any of them upstairs if we didn't click on some level in the bar. Of the ten girls, only two were starfish and most of them provided really memorable sessions. In my opinion soi 6 is a fantastic place.

I've walked down Sii6 a number of times.

Girls are not accosting guys as they pass by, maybe a handful do- probably NEW fresh off the Farm.

Just watch you tube. I've rarely seen accosters on Soi6.

Again Soi 6 is full of 1,000 baht girls. Just not an attractive bunch. If they were just a bit attractive they wouldn't be Happy with 1,000 baht.

See the issue.

Please it's not a new Soi 6 business model. It's the same one as Pre COVID.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767616]I just walked down soi 6 again as they close to see if qt this time anything is different. I see desperate dudes making a forced smile to a shit experience of getting ignored. I literally stare girls in their face smiling to see if anyone takes their last chance of the day. Nothing. I actually am laughing at this bullshit. Thailand is a shit place, and whatever this bar owner here says is a lie. These girls are lazy. And sure you can put a good spin on this, of course they are smart. Women alway everywhere try to get away with least amount of inconvenience. My point is here they are somehow spoiled to the max. This place is worthless. Sure you can squeeze out some mechanical sex. Sure you can be in your prime when you should pick up grirls for free anywhere in the world (so what are you doing here bragging while you pay for sex?) This place is shit. And what do I get better in south America? To start with: a brain to talk with. Even venezuelan girls who hate the business at least some are smart enough to connect human to human when someone meets them as a human. Others have conversation and we can talk about what we like in sex, and then do it. I can't even get off on vanilla sex, and hey, it's not mish position that sucks, its doggy style. The epitome of disconnected motions. No connection whatsoever. I had girls on TF respond so rude they are only intersted in ST fuck and go. Why would I even waste my time on something that starts out so unfriendly?

Now do me a favor and don't all come to Brazil to spoil it here. Stay in your Pattaya shithole and gp through the motions. Buy that lady drink for a girl who has no intention to please you.[/QUOTE]I've never heard such utter nonsense. There are amazing girls everywhere. It really sounds like your attitude (at least from your post). How can you not have fun here. I have a 76 year old friend in town and the women are all over him. He smiles buys the odd lady drink and then takes plenty upstairs.

There must be something seriously wrong with your attitude (ref this post! Don't come to Brazil and spoil it. LOL!!

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767511]I think some pretty serious realization sets in the last 20 pages. I wasn't so wrong with being grumpy. Currently I need to decide whether I stay here or go back to South America, and I am vacillating on a twice daily basis. Either I leave on Monday or I extend my stay for another 45 days. Started to look up yesterday, looking forward to do some go-go bars in fact, even not caring by the fact that prices are frankly through the roof. But what is giving me major second thoughts now is reviewing the last 20 pages, and also have been checking out some long term Pattaya guru on YouTube "everything Pattaya" channel.

As tough as it might be, the bitter realization that everyone seems to agree is that girls are lazy. It is precisely what I felt when walking down Soi 6 every single time. They are lazy as fuck and completely disinterested, choosy, unwelcoming. I keep tormenting myself if that is just because of me (despite my Senior Status I am not an experienced monger at all and have my personal hang-ups) OR if there is something untoward going on. And it is clear that others far more experienced than me are reporting similar patterns: lazy girls who are sitting on a handsome salary not even needing to bar-fine any more. So this means going to a go-go (where at least there are dozens and dozens of girls to choose from, not just a hand-full of lazy ones messing with their phones) even when ready to pay the truly exorbitant 1500 to 2500 just for bar fine, then on top trying to compete against the handsome package they have trying to get her to go with you, this all puts a major bummer over the whole experience.

The explosion of tourists (which, after that crazy fireworks weekend isn't sooo crazy any more) anyway doesn't help. But the problem right now aren't even the excess of blokes (except on ThaiFriendly, which I believe is an extremely fast seller's market right now) so much as the excess of bars competing for girls paying them exorbitant salaries leaving them lazy. This is in part a temporary market distortion, because of the CoViD dead-stop reorienting a percentage of girls to do other things, and to a good amount their efforts have been redirected to virtual shit for myriads of simps sitting in their homes and tipping on OnlyFans. This has seriously damaged the whole situation. Influx of Laotian and Cambodian girls is the only hope to rectify the situation.

I would think that coming back in about a year might be better than trying to hang out here.

Another thing that I have found very difficult to deal with so far is the lack of communication. I can do Spanish and Portuguese with ease or at least good enough to express myself and negotiate. Here with the almost non-existing English it is very difficult.

I will see what strikes me until Monday. But I won't even cancel my ticket 24 hours in advance and instead risk paying $50 extra in late cancellation fine should I decide on the last minute to extend my stay. Not looking good. I can deal with the out of control prices, but not with the bullshit of girls who don't even want to be bar fined because making quota on these stupid drinks and happy with their excessive salaries are lazy.

And yes, of course it's better than Paris France or New York or Nakhon Nowhere. But I am done fighting an uphill battle when I have a life to pick up in what I think is an actual paradise for me.[/QUOTE]It doesn't look like Pattaya is right for you. Distressing over the higher st fee and $50 flight change fee is not what you need. Best to leave.