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[QUOTE=BloodRed;2977071]...The vast majority of the Crimean population has always been Russian...[/QUOTE]That is a pure lie -- complete, unmitigated and utter Russian propaganda. The true history of Crimea since Russian conquest in 1784 has been the attempt to extirpate Crimean identity and control the Tatars, which culminated in the Tatar expulsion of 1944. There may be a current Russian majority, but it is due to their centuries of ethnic cleansing, murder and racism.
I see that Trump cult members stumbled in this thread. Can a Trump cult member explain to me how come Trump didn't stop the war in 24 hours, he guaranteed that multiple times during the campaign and of course he would never lie? Can a Trump cult member explain the brilliant plan of threatening Greenland and Panama and how that will contribute to a stable geostrategic situation? The problem with cult members is that they lack any critical thinking, all they do is parrot what Dear Leader is saying. For example, Tik Tok. For years Trump and republicans (and democrats as well) said how bad Tik Tok is, how bad is that the CCP controls it etc. The sheeples kept repeating "TikTok baaad, TikTok baaad". Republicans manage to get a bill through Congress (with enough democratic support), Biden signs it. Then the Tik Tok CEO makes a pilgrimage to Florida, pays some bribe in full daylight and who knows how much is the bribe we are not aware of, then suddenly Trump proclaims "Tik Tok is good". All the sheeples immediately start saying "Tik Tok goood, TikTok goood".
Before you start making this into a democrat vs republican thing. Both parties have some idiotic positions. Unfortunately the American political system is idiotic as well and you are stuck in choosing between two collections of positions that contain a bunch of idiotic positions.
The biggest success of Putin is that he managed to get half of the Republican party to do his bidding. Roland Reagan must be turning in his grave.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977167]Well, the first thing that needs to be done is all the dumb Dems need to let go of their dicks and stop with the masturbation fantasies about the Russian economy failing...[/QUOTE]Is Trump a dumb Dem?
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/21/europe/analysis-trump-putin-ukraine-intl-latam/index.html[/URL]
Aside from the significant economic problems, Russia has suffered in the range of 700,000 casualties and are getting hit insides their borders.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwypg2z780go[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977167]If you really feel like Putin is so evil, then get off your ass and go fight. [/QUOTE]This asinine non-argument has been answered a dozen times already. We'll fight if someone invades our country. In the meantime we will advocate support for Ukrainians who wish to fight for their country and identity.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977167]You can talk all tough behind the keyboard but I think if you see people with their faces blown off and artillery shells flying over head, you would be crying like a baby screaming, "I want peace. ". [/QUOTE]This is a spit in the face to every Ukrainian that has put his life on the line for his country, while assuming that those who support their actions wouldn't do the same for their own country. It's you that is the big keyboard coward. How many members here have you met up with to talk this trash to eye to eye? That's a good question to entertain. Smart money is on zero.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977167]Step four is to ask Putin what it takes to stop the war and negotiate a settlement. Usually a settlement involves neither side getting all that they want but negotiating something they both can live with. [/QUOTE]Putin has already been asked that question and given the answers. He wants Ukraine, full capitulation. Well sourced articles have been posted, as well as the costs to the West of giving him the Ukraine. We will see what if anything Trump can accomplish. The jury is still out.
Putin out of power, then fruitful negotiations to follow with the powers that replace him isn't a far fetched scenario, especially with increased Western pressure and military support, though we know you want it to be. This also doesn't involve a "Ukraine win" as was your straw man argument.
These are the logical fallacies you have going BTW, the straw man and proof by repetition. All are fallacious and not arguments at all. It's dishonesty and represents an inability to engage in genuine debate.
[URL]https://grammarist.com/rhetoric/straw-man-fallacy/[/URL]
[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam[/URL]
P.S. Attacking the arguments of 60+ year old American men because they aren't volunteering to fight in Ukraine is technically an ad hominem fallacy, though I typically let those slide as they are about par for the course on stupid shit threads. I opted to just make you look stupid and hypocritical instead.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977167]Well, the first thing that needs to be done is all the dumb Dems need to let go of their dicks and stop with the masturbation fantasies about the Russian economy failing, Putin being taken out of office, and Ukraine winning. So step one is Dumb Dems quit jerking off.
Step two is dumb Dems get it through their thick skulls that there is no peace without Putin. The West has made peace and deals with evil tyrants in the past and we will in the future. If you really feel like Putin is so evil, then get off your ass and go fight. You can talk all tough behind the keyboard but I think if you see people with their faces blown off and artillery shells flying over head, you would be crying like a baby screaming, "I want peace. ".
Step three is another thing dumb Dems do not get. You pick up the phone and talk to Putin. Biden has not spoken with Putin in years, but Biden is so demented I bet he thinks he has.
Step four is to ask Putin what it takes to stop the war and negotiate a settlement. Usually a settlement involves neither side getting all that they want but negotiating something they both can live with.
And before you gripe about step four, you have to do steps one through three.
And while Biden and the rest of the dumb Dems have been keeping their hands on their dicks, Putin has been gaining a stronger position day by day. If the dumb Dems were still in control, it would just be a a matter of time before our best negotiating position would be singing Kumbaya.[/QUOTE]So what's the problem?
Why hasn't it been done already? Your LAS has been in office for several hours now:
[B]Didn't he pledge to end the war in one hour, even before the inauguration?[/B]
What's the delay now?
Well, I'll let you in on a little secret -- I'm happy the ball's in Trump's court now. And after he has INEVITABLY failed to bring peace to Ukraine and win his fucking Nobel Prize, I'll be back to taunt you Putin's cocksuckers to no end.
Tick-tock.
[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2977187]That is a pure lie -- complete, unmitigated and utter Russian propaganda. The true history of Crimea since Russian conquest in 1784 has been the attempt to extirpate Crimean identity and control the Tatars, which culminated in the Tatar expulsion of 1944. There may be a current Russian majority, but it is due to their centuries of ethnic cleansing, murder and racism.[/QUOTE]Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977172]Some might find it strange that Igor uses this nonsensical "Ukraine is winning" meme in dozens of his poorly-baked posts. There are two reasons. He usually posts it when there are no arguments left, but he still has to say something. But there's another reason too.
[B]How Putin's Russia turned humour into a weapon[/B]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46567364[/URL][/QUOTE]So Ukraine isn't winning?
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2977260]So Ukraine isn't winning?[/QUOTE]Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.
Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2977259]Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?[/QUOTE]Not anymore. The dumb Dems had a leader who was not there mentally and the deep state ran things from 2020 to this year. Once it was learned their figurehead leader was incompetent, the deep state staged a coup against him before the 2024 election. This is after planning the Russiagate coup after the 2016 election. So the dumb Dems not want a duly elected leader and have no respect for elections. They prefer the deep state organizations like the CIA and FBI be the ones running things and do not give a damn what voters want.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2977259]Would you agree that the vast majority of the Crimean population since from 2014 up to now is Russian? That's why they all voted to join Russia. Majority is authority. I hope it's clear to you. You may not like the results, but you should accept them since you're all for democracy, right?[/QUOTE]You misunderstand Ivan. We don't advocate democracy at the barrel of a gun. This while established borders are just that. Any in Crimea that wants to be Russian has long been free to pack up and go live there.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977302]Not anymore. The dumb Dems had a leader who was not there mentally and the deep state ran things from 2020 to this year. Once it was learned their figurehead leader was incompetent, the deep state staged a coup against him before the 2024 election. This is after planning the Russiagate coup after the 2016 election. So the dumb Dems not want a duly elected leader and have no respect for elections. They prefer the deep state organizations like the CIA and FBI be the ones running things and do not give a damn what voters want.[/QUOTE]You are a third rate Alex Jones, but this is the fallacy Elvis has going this time. That while he's long been well aware that support for Ukraine has been and still is bipartisan.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Ridicule[/URL]
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2977244]So what's the problem?
Why hasn't it been done already? Your LAS has been in office for several hours now:
[B]Didn't he pledge to end the war in one hour, even before the inauguration?[/B]
What's the delay now?
Well, I'll let you in on a little secret -- I'm happy the ball's in Trump's court now. And after he has INEVITABLY failed to bring peace to Ukraine and win his fucking Nobel Prize, I'll be back to taunt you Putin's cocksuckers to no end.
Tick-tock.[/QUOTE]They have exactly what they want now. The only problem is that Little Vlad is all in. He's not interested in any genuine "compromise. " he made that all clear from the start with his speech re-writing history while denying Ukraine's right to existence.
[URL]https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/ukraine-history-fact-checking-putin-513812/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977301]Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.
Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.[/QUOTE]This post is actually the one that best matches the fallacy "Appeal to Ridicule," though with Elvis they are all essentially the same. Wink.
[URL]https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Ridicule[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2977301]Yes, Ukraine is winning. Putin is on his last legs and a Gandhi like candidate is emerging to replace him promising strength through peace. Russians are having to use wheelbarrows full of money to pay for a loaf of bread, and the Ukrainian army is literally on the outskirts of Moscow.
Oh, sorry, that is not right. I just wanted to see what it felt to be a Democratic douche jacking off.[/QUOTE]Haha.
The Russians are running out of ammo. The Russians are fighting with shovels.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2977219]I see that Trump cult members stumbled in this thread. Can a Trump cult member explain to me how come Trump didn't stop the war in 24 hours, he guaranteed that multiple times during the campaign and of course he would never lie? [/QUOTE]That is Trump talk. Hyperbole. I don't think anyone that anyone who understands how complicated this conflict is took what Trump said seriously. I certainly didn't.
[QUOTE=BloodRed;2977353]Haha.
The Russians are running out of ammo. The Russians are fighting with shovels.[/QUOTE]Are you laughing about the 700,000 + casualties? Your mothers aren't laughing.
You'll have a tough time laughing this off as well.
[URL]https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2024/12/russia-economy-difficulties?lang=en[/URL]
But take heart, you have a friend in Elvis, one of a number of fringe Americans that lives to prop up your narratives.