Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=GiannisGianni;2771630]I don't judge Thais on western ideology.

Farangs vs Asian clients.

Big difference. Farangs want prostitute Girlfriend. Asian just want Boom Boom. LOL.

Some like to think many good Thai girls. I'm dubious on this claim.

There are many middle class and higher that we just don't see what they up to. You think Thai men middle managers don't get Horny when they see Hot Shop Girl.

Their services are kept to themselves.

Prostitution is just embedded in Thai Society.[/QUOTE]Correct. Except for HiSo ladies, Thai women may have a customer on the side, or be a mia noi, or otherwise play around with a younger man. Once a Thai man hits 40, he generally will have to pay money, same as you, maybe not as much. Or go with an older lady.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2771622]If only there were a section on hotels in Pattaya. It would be easy to find answers if such a section existed.[/QUOTE]People want answers. Ask where the action is. People answer.

I like Pattaya but I'm not browsing Hotel section.

[QUOTE=GentileBear;2771542]Last Taxi from Pattaya to the BKK Airport the driver (a lady) was playing a game that looked like Tetris all the way to BKK. Completely engaged on her phone. Guess she was gambling.[/QUOTE]Sounds more like you, the passenger were gambling. With your life.

Now that High Season is here, thousands of newbie tourists are coming to Thailand. The ladies know this, and are using their skills to convince new customers that they love them very much. Thai ladies are probably the best at snagging boyfriends in a short period of time.

Of course, it's not real, but you really don't want to go to Pattaya for a short time and then get hooked by a bargirl into sending her money after you go home.

Apart from the probability that she has a Thai boyfriend, giving a lady money for nothing is stupid. Don't be stupid.

I often lie in bed with Thai ladies chatting with their sponsors, and then fuck them after they hang up. Of course, Thai ladies will not chat with their Thai boyfriends while they are in bed with a customer.

Anyway, don't get hooked into sponsorship.

[QUOTE=Lanthano;2771614]I was there from mid-October to early November this year. Here are my impressions.

Unfortunately, I have now finally turned into that guy that looks back with nostalgia to the past (even if that's 2016) and remarks with dismay that Pattaya is worse than it should be.

Why?

[B]The bad:[/B]

-Line-ups are rubbish and deceptive: For the sex-hungry tourist who has not left Australian for 2 years, maybe a bar full of girls is enough at face value. What I noticed was that there were too few good looking girls spread across too many bars. That the median age of the girls working in these places was above 35. And that in many cases no matter what time you arrive, the few good looking young ones are just working there for the lady drinks.

In general, I started to notice a big difference in the motivations of a lot of girls, that they were more passive than ever, and not exactly jumping at the chance to make money.

So basically, I am going from bar to bar to do all the work and pay loads of money while getting drunk for the possibility of paying one of these girls who I have to approach and weed out to sleep with me? This is crap. It was never this difficult in the past. NEVER.

My remedy: Become that tightass that asks the girl whether she barfines (and all the others) before buying any lady drinks. Of course that makes for a fun time in the bars. Look. If I want to become an alcoholic, I can do so at home. I come to Thailand for the possibility of sex.

-Tree Town: Made in Thailand complex has gone, instead we have a massive junkyard known as Tree Town where you can't even talk without the music blaring. Generic, nothing special about it, mixed in with restaurants. Overpriced like the rest of the city, and underperforms in terms of number of barfineable girls. To hell with it.

-Walking Street has collapsed and mostly turned into Little India or Arab Town. I went there for two nights but eventually just gave up checking out the venues. That place is done.

-LK Metro and Soy Phukhao is now the only real area worth checking out in Pattaya and all but 2 of my girls where from the bars in that area. North Pattaya is a wasteland now.

-Increased prices: I know the bars need to make money, but maybe if they have to gouge customers to stay afloat in 2022, they just shouldn't exist in that number any more?

Should I even talk about the gogos? Even in 2016 they were way overpriced. Now however, I am convinced that the owners are living off the lady drinks and bank on maybe 2 tourists a week being stupid enough to pay the barfines and extortionate prices the girls ask there. Otherwise they are simply living in Lalaland.

One of the friends I was with did actually barfine a girl for short time in LK Metro. He paid almost 4000 baht in total for a rather plain looking girl on his last night, and I wouldn't intervene for that reason. Seriously.... Why not 2000 baht barfines for a short time, 3000 baht then for the girl, and eventually many Europeans will realise they can get that at home for cheaper... Maybe 2.


-Gentleman's Clubs: These have grown in number unfortunately. If I wanted this garbage, I would go to Germany, where I at least get free food. Thailand is worth it for LT. ST you can get anywhere the world over.

-Failed Barfines: I counted 3 which is higher than I am used to. Scooters Bar (where the arrogant British prick of an owner sought to justify his 800 baht barfine by promising the girl I was taking would be worth it. BS) She started trying to get me to sleep and wouldn't blow me without a condom (kicked her out immediately and went back on the hunt).

Another girl from a beer bar literally came back with me and realised she was on her period (yeah right). I then of course said that I understood and asked what time her bar opened as I would have to get my barfine back tomorrow, upon which she paid it back upfront, as well as for the lady drink I bought.

-Social apps failed miserably (across Thailand) compared to what I remember. This should be an indication of the deterioration of what is on offer. Thai Friendly, Tinder, Bumble. You name it. I remember when every swipe right resulted in a match in Pattaya. Not any more.


[B]The good:[/B]

-Many bars pre-pandemix have indeed survived.

-If you take it easy and just go with the flow, a lot of fan can be had here. The expats living here have the luxury of time that others don't have. I was in the city for about 2 weeks so you get a feel eventually of which venues you should go to at what time, as well as where the bars open past curfew are. (PM me if you want to know).

-It's still Pattaya and Thailand where girls will provide a service you can only dream of back home, and flexibly if the money is right. The Thai are the Thai who I really like and admire as people, whose culture and language I find amazing and singular in all the world. Could I really ever leave it completely?

-Random events and fun are always possible. For instance, chatting up an off duty server from another bar who came to drink at another one on my off night. Sit with her for hours, take her back to my hotel and hang out before deciding I wasn't up for it that night. There all sorts of possibilities and I love that about Thailand.

-Speaking Thai is a double-edged sword. Yes, you will get much further with your relationships with people you meet. The other side is that you will start to understand what the girls and mamasans are saying which can really dispell the magic and comfort in places.


In conclusion, not as sure as I used to be that I'll be back here. Will need to think about it. Thailand does have other places, like Udon Thani or Phuket for a change.


[B]My girls (9):[/B]

First couple of nights were rough for the reasons given above. Eventually, I just went to Insomia.

[I]Girl 1:[/I] Slim Buriram girl at Insomnia. Went back, first night protected. Following morning, felt like another round: need to get my money's worth.

[I]Girl 2:[/I] Marina Club: woman who I bought a beer after she asked. Slightly darker, bought her a beer, talkative, Whatever, take her back.

[I]Girl 3:[/I] Thai friendly. Great body, no to great service. Kicked her out early, turning a long time into short time to get back out to the refreshing vibe of the city.

[I]Girl 4:[/I] Out with a friend from Belgium, chilling out near the beach, got invited to a circle of girls enjoying beer on the sidewalk. We both gave our contribution of beer and continued on until the early morning. It starts raining, friend has gone back with one of them, one of them who I made some eyes at offers to drive me back to my hotel on her motorbike. Once arrived, I offer her to hang around until the rain stops. She obliged.

[I]Girl 5:[/I] Helped by another fellow resident at 3 am, he lead me to one of the few bars open past the COVID curfew. There we hang out, I buy him a few drinks, I tell him I'm heading up to the Northeast next week. He knows the area, and sends me all sorts of travel and hotel info in the coming 2 weeks.

At the bar, around 6 am, I approach the girl behind the bar, and tell her I'm interested. She comes back with me. When I woke up, we did it again.

[I]Girl 6:[/I] On my last night before heading up to the North East with a friend, and with the last night that my Belgian friend was in town, barfined a girl at one of the late night bars. Early 20's, dark Isan complexion, sharp but keen manner who knows her trade. After some drinking, went back to my place. Long session in multiple positions, kamagra used, near the ending, it became clear something had gone wrong, as. The condom had broken, to my dismay and to hers.

Got the bus early next morning for the trip.

Nothing then for 3 days as I was going through Korat and Khon Khaen.

[I]Girl 7:[/I] Udon Thani and its bar scene had a good amount. Took one back, 23 yo. It had been a few days so it helped relieve some stress.

[I]Girl 8:[/I] Returning to Sin City, I found one of the women that I had chatted to on my previous daytime daddle through the bars, with whom I got on well. I went for it, and we went out all night to several live music bars and such till fairly late. Great evening thanks to her company. Took her back and was spoilt by her fantastic service, both in the bath and on the bed. Giving a new meaning to pleasure. Next morning, same.

[I]Girl 9:[/I] No luck in most of the bars, bar owner of one sent me to another one he suggested, meeting another fine specimen who was quite friendly and new to the city. Negociated the usual, back to my hotel. Culmination the next morning.

[I]Girl 10:[/I] Went back to girl 5 for my last night given my flight back to Farangland was midday and I had to get up earlier. And what a final night it was. And with a service that was the best a woman could have given.[/QUOTE]Look elsewhere and get a fresh perspective.

Hua Hin and Phuket away from Patong.

I had a lady over for drinks this afternoon. She used to work at the Korean bar on 3rd Road, claimed she got 5 K for ST from Koreans.

But now she is preggers, and can't drink, so can't work bar. And I gave her Coca Cola, not tequila.

Her thing is getting ass fucked, except I haven't done it yet. I finger fuck her ass and pussy, she loves it. Every time she comes over, sge gets a little looser back there. But still too small for my dick.

Maybe next year.

I suspect she will never tell her husband she likes getting fucked in the ass.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2771541]..... I've also attached a few photos of some of the girls I went with...........[/QUOTE]Ok, the first girl in the spotted bra top, those boobs are enhanced, right?

[QUOTE=Xiggo;2771424]I have read that Soi 6 is kinda special? Could someone elaborate in what way?[/QUOTE]You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2771541]I recently posted a 23 day diary of my trip to Pattaya. It was very long so I wouldn't expect people to read all of it, so I thought it might be useful to do a summary post including info on prices, venues and my opinion on what's good and what's bad. I've also attached a few photos of some of the girls I went with. All information is correct as of late November 2022.

[B]SOI 6[/B]

This proved to my favourite hunting ground on the trip. There are lots of bars and lots of pretty girls to be found. I target younger girls aged 18-20, and there were lots that fell in to that category. I fucked girls in Wrath (x2), Avarice, Lust, Sexy in the City, Ruby Club, Repent, Kawaii, Helicopter and Horny Bar. The prices are fairly standard. The room upstairs is generally 400, although Helicopter is 350 and a few of the other bars are 500. Rooms are fairly basic, little more than a hard double bed and a bathroom where you can shower. Some of them have mirrors which is always fun.

The price for the girls is generally 1000 but often the prettier ones will try for 1500 (eight out of the ten girls I went with quoted 1500). On every occasion the girl immediately accepted my counter-offer of 1000 'plus tip if you make me smile'. Take your own condoms. Of the ten girls I fucked, only twice did I pay more than 1000. One of those occasions was a standout girl in Wrath who quoted 2000 and accepted my 1300 counter-offer. Sometimes you know a girl's value and I felt this girl wouldn't struggle to find another customer. The other occasion I paid 2000 was for 90 minutes in her own bedroom.

[B]FREELANCE[/B]

I get a kick out of street action. I normally have a night in the bars but if I lose track of time and 2 am comes around and I haven't got a girl, I'll happily trawl around for a streetwalker. A lot of people report on the forum about freelancers at 'Coconut Bar', aka under the palm trees on Beach Road, but I'll admit I have zero experience as I prefer to find one closer to my hotel room. You can find them dotted along Soi Buakhao, although at least half of them are ladyboys. But if you persevere you can find diamonds in the rough for bargain basement prices.

I picked up three freelancers on my trip. Two of them charged 1000 baht for short-time, one of them just 700. The surprising thing was the quality of the girls. I'll freely admit, the first girl wouldn't win any beauty contests but it was my first night, it was 3 am and I was desperate! But the other two girls were great, including one with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia.

After 2 am a lot of the bar-girls on Tree Town and Soi LK Metro go to the clubs on Walking Street, where you can procure their services for a fraction of the cost you'd pay if you met them in their bar. Another good source of freelancers is websites like Thaifriendly but that's something that doesn't interest me.

[B]BEER BARS[/B]

Tree Town has the main concentration of beer bars in Pattaya and there are lots more to be found on the streets nearby, like Soi Buakhao and Soi Pothole. The beer-bar complex alongside Tree Town, towards where the old Soi Made in Thailand used to be, has some gems too. My favourite bars for pretty girls are Vixen, Oh Bar, Moonlight, Annie Jacks (early in the evening) and Area 52 / Ass 94 (they are sister bars and girls alternate between the two). Inferno and Pitstop on Soi Pothole have some nice girls too. But the scene changes so quickly and good-looking girls pop up in lots of different places, so my recommendation is to walk around and explore.

The bar-fines can be complicated with every bar seemingly different. Oh for the good old days when you could go to Simon's and know the bar-fine in every bar without having to ask! Most bars now seem to favour a two-tier pricing structure, for example 1000 baht before 11 pm and 500 baht after. If this is the case, don't panic, there's a good chance your favourite girl will still be there after 11 pm as girls make a lot of money from lady-drinks, so they won't want to be long-timed too early. Other bars, for example Oh Bar, base their bar-fine on whether you plan to take the girl for short-time (500) or long-time (800).

Girl prices vary too. 1500 for short-time seems to be the going rate for pretty girls, although some girls quoted 1000 baht (much more likely late at night). If a girl asks for 2000, I counter-offered with 1500 and they always accepted. I only bar-fined one girl for long-time, who quoted 3000 but accepted 2500. She must have liked me because second time I bar-fined her she quoted 2000. Bear in mind I target the younger girls. If you prefer older girls then I'm sure you could shave 500 baht or more off these prices.

The beer bar complexes along Soi Diana are cheaper but generally have older girls, aged over 30. There are of course exceptions and I bar-fined a cute 19 year old and a 20 year old Cambodian girl. I paid just 300 and 400 baht for the bar-fines and both girls asked for 2000 for short time but immediately accepted 1500.

In the bars, you will get chatting to a lot of girls and there will inevitably be knockbacks. If a girl says she doesn't go with customers, it's most likely she does but doesn't want to go with a customer right now (perhaps they are just back from a short-time or maybe they ration themselves to a set amount of customers per week). Don't take it personally, it's all part of the game. Smile and be friendly and quite often the same girl will be more open to contract negotiations on another night.

[B]GOGO BARS[/B]

I used to be the world's biggest fan of gogo bars. They generally have the youngest, prettiest girls and it's a great way to spend an evening, hopping from one bar to another. But they've gone downhill quickly in my opinion and the prices are all over the place.

At the Soi LK Metro gogo bars the general price for the bar-fine is 1500 baht or 1000 after midnight but every bar seems to have its own prices. Some bars have a two-tiered system depending on what time of night you pay the bar-fine and some have different prices depending on what colour wristband the girls are wearing. The bar-fine prices on Walking Street are between 1500 and 2000. The prices are crazy. Once you add the cost of the girl, you could be paying 5000 or more just for short-time. I could fuck a Baywatch babe style glamour model in the UK for that kind of money.

Don't get me wrong, there are pretty girls at the gogo bars, but you can find girls of a similar quality elsewhere in Pattaya for a fraction of the price. To give you an example of that, I spent a frustrating night on Walking Street so decided to head back to my hotel. By chance I bumped in to a freelancer on Soi Buakhao with the biggest natural tits I've seen in Asia, who gave me a very enjoyable short-time session (complete with tit-wank to finish) for just 1000 baht. If she worked at a bar on Walking Street she'd have been one of the most popular girls and I'd have had to pay at least quadruple the price.

The pressure to buy lady-drinks on Walking Street is off the scale. At one bar I bought a drink for a girl and a waitress appeared with a tray of tequila shots. Five times I told her 'no thank you'. At Fahrenheit a sour-faced waitress probably cost the bar money by trying to pressure me in to paying the bar-fine before I was ready. She completely killed the vibe with the girl I was interested in.

It seems to me the gogo bars are now far more geared towards making money from keeping the girls in the bar and getting drinks bought for them, than letting the girls get bar-fined. And it seems to be working too because every gogo bar I went in to was packed with customers with barely a free seat available.

[B]SOI HONEY[/B]

I'm usually a big fan of the massage-with-extras places along Soi Honey. It's a convenient, quick and enjoyable way to procure an afternoon quickie. See a girl you like, walk inside with her to a curtained cubicle (or as seems more prevalent these days, your own room) and have a massage before the real fun begins. However on this trip the quality of girls on Soi Honey has dipped considerably, with mainly washed up old pros and ladyboys. However, if you're lucky there are gems to be found for cheap prices. Paradise, near the Soi Buakhao end of the street, and Benja Massage, about halfway up to 2nd Road, seem to be the best bets for pretty girls.

The prices are pretty much the same as Soi 6. I paid 1300 for a massage and full service with a lovely 20 year old from Khon Kaen at one place and the same price for a filthy porn-style encounter with a cougar on another night. On Soi Pothole I paid 1200 all-in for some of the best sex of the trip at a small massage shop.

[B]SOAPIES[/B]

I believe a soapy body-to-body massage is a bucket-list experience for any red-blooded male. Yes they're expensive but the sensation of having a nubile young hottie slipping and sliding her body all over yours, is an experience you are not likely to forget.

Sabai Dee used to be my favourite soapy massage parlour, which is located on 2nd Road, a short walk away from Terminal 21. However when I visited on this trip there were only ten girls and the quality was average. The prices ranged from 2300 up to 3800 depending on which colour badge the girl was wearing. The girls in the lower price bracket were just average older girls in pushup bras. It was only once the girls were wearing 3300 badges that the girls stirred my interest.

Honey 2, a short walk away, was far more promising, with 25 girls and more prettier ones too. Again the cost of the girl depends on the colour of badge they are wearing. A red badge is 2200, blue 2700, black (M) 3300, white (V) 3900 and yellow (S) 4600. Honey 2 has two working shifts, 10 am to 6 pm and 6 pm to 2 am, so I think 5. 30 pm could be the best time to visit to give you the best choice.

[B]GENTS CLUBS[/B]

I was hoping to visit plenty of gents clubs on this trip, after a very enjoyable game, set and match with Thailand's answer to Emma Radacanu at King's Club on my last trip, but for a variety of reasons it never really happened. I didn't visit the clubs on Soi Boomerang but made a fleeting visit to Soi Bongkot. Although there were only three girls at Amsterdam I was impressed with the quality and was told a room costs 300 baht and it's 1500 to the lady for a full service. Carre Blanc next door had generally older girls but since it started raining heavily outside and we were effectively stranded until it stopped, I couldn't resist an emergency blowjob from a foxy blond with fake tits. She offered a very enjoyable hoovering service for just 500 baht.

When I'm back in Pattaya in February I want to explore the gents clubs on Soi Pothole more. High Rollers gets good reviews but when I visited at 1 am it felt more like a gogo bar, packed with male customers and three average girls dancing. I did buy a drink for a pretty girl but she told me that she doesn't go with customers. Perhaps I went at the wrong time of night or perhaps I was just unlucky. Maggie Mays generally has older girls outside but some definitely fall in to the MILF category. I fucked a nice girl at another gents club a little further along the street called X Bar. The cost for the room and a very enjoyable session came to 1500 baht.

[B]LINE[/B]

A lot of the prices I've mentioned are the prices I was quoted at a first meeting. But all of the girls have the Line app on their phone and when you get to know a girl you can certainly negotiate lower prices. I invited a number of girls to my room for afternoon quickies for 1000 baht before they started their shift.

[B]AND FINALLY...[/B]

If you are interested, video and commentary from my time in Pattaya is now being uploaded on my friend's Youtube channel, Eyes of Owen.[/QUOTE]This is a great summation of your recent trip. Thanks for adding it to your already posted well written reports Sir Lancelot. You lay it all out: the good, the bad, and the ugly. 555. A lot has changed since I last left LOS in June 2019. I am going to save your summary as a current roadmap of where Pattaya is today.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2771910]You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.[/QUOTE]Soi 6 features dozens of nearly identical open bars with a crew of younger ladies with minimal English. The standard play is to buy a drink for a lady, then go Short Time.

Which means that many ladies are doing 5 or 6 fucks per day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2771712]Now that High Season is here, thousands of newbie tourists are coming to Thailand. The ladies know this, and are using their skills to convince new customers that they love them very much. Thai ladies are probably the best at snagging boyfriends in a short period of time.

Of course, it's not real, but you really don't want to go to Pattaya for a short time and then get hooked by a bargirl into sending her money after you go home.

Apart from the probability that she has a Thai boyfriend, giving a lady money for nothing is stupid. Don't be stupid.

I often lie in bed with Thai ladies chatting with their sponsors, and then fuck them after they hang up. Of course, Thai ladies will not chat with their Thai boyfriends while they are in bed with a customer.

Anyway, don't get hooked into sponsorship.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know a real person who Sponsors bargirls.

If so can you estimate their IQ. Hahaha.

It's Insanity.

[QUOTE=Bunky;2771910]You know what would help Mr. Xiggo? If people who had been to Soi 6 would write a few words on their experience and post it here. Then Mr. Xiggo could follow the instructions from Mr. 11 Bravo on how to search old posts for a specific topic.[/QUOTE]Credibility is an issue. Without photos Field Reports have little value.

Prices and quality of girls not matching up. Except, Explorers pricing match up. Haha.

I checked Eyes of Owen. Scroll looking for live shots of hot young pretty Soi 6 ers. Didn't find a one.

I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2771987]I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.[/QUOTE]Without Chinese taking up 1,000's and 1,000's of room nights I don't know how Pattaya can be busy. Not logical. Are there that many Indians left.

David Strachan of UTube always seems to use the word QUIET when describing the nightlife on his bike rides.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2771987]I am now on two days into my holiday and it's already looking far better than this time last year or last June. Last December it was a ghost town with 80% of places closed, June was better when even more places opened up. This high season seems quiet to me, I was expecting more people around but I guess that the number of falang's are not as good as other years and that the Indians are not interested in the places that we go. Prices have gone up too, so far not been able to get a ST for 1000 from TF. Nor could I find anyone that does a good long prostate massage, I think that I will have to pay a visit to Ola.[/QUOTE]Buzzin spilled the Besns. On a reply on his channel he said Pattaya is 50 % of what it usually is at this time of year.

Merry Christmas.