Pattaya Reports

Been here now for 45 days plus most of my 30 day visa extension. I cannot get this nagging feeling of age discrimination away. I am a little over 50 but frequently guessed at 40. Still, it is too much negative experiences. I have tried to forget that and move on, but it keeps haunting me. But that doesn't mean there is no fun. I go to the same two GoGo places (need to try the list of bests that was recently published, never went into one on Walking Street as I am so convenient around the corner of LK Metro, I just stay here.

First GoGo place I zeroed in on a girl with nice round curves and boobs dancing topless. As usual, I zero in on face though, she has a remarkable overbite like mouth but with plump lips, it is intriguing. That was the first GoGo bar girl ever that I had set my eyes on. As I left from that place after just looking for a half hour or so, there is one on the stage who has eyes I could die for. Oh my God, those eyes. I was going out already so I didn't stop but went back over and over again to get to those eyes. But she always escaped me.

Meanwhile in that GoGo bar, walks up a real cutie with the long black hair and a smile with braces that melts my heart. I smiled as she walked by. She smiled. Then came and sat down next to me. This was the one time probably where the girl coming up to me unsolicited was about 100% my type. (Just not the magic eyes, so it took a bit to fully appreciate her.) I wrote about her as the one who excessively washes her pussy because it does have a bit of a smell. But she is so cute. What happened is after we were together I thought I wouldn't see her again, because it wasn't that great and then the issue. But, fast forward about 2 weeks, as I went back to find my magic eyes and finally connect with her, I see a bubbly girl dancing next to her, and I try to not make eye contact with her because I really wanted the attention of the magic eyes. But that bubbly girl inserted herself and sat next to me. And it took me a moment to remember it was her. At least I remembered her name, and she didn't remember mine. BUT I found it a really nice touch that she came up to me again and did remember me.

Meanwhile I also checked out those Gentlemen's Club alias Blowjob Bars, including Excite Club and once in King's Club. King's was not my thing, the ladies too old and curvy I guess. But in Excite I had one who sat outside and was my type (it seems like I have a magnet for the fake shorter hair blondes and the black long haired ones who I really want tend to ignore me. Curious, if that means that the black long haired are more attractive (and therefore more aloof) then why the fook do the others cut and die their hair? I will never get it. Anyway, so there is the one who is more my type, and upon eye contact it was confirmed that she was open for me. Carpe diem and I walked up and we went in. She gets an A+ rating for (a) noticing what I like and keep doing it (kissing in a special way that's not actually so intrusive that it can't just be done, I really loved that touch, and (b) she was making sure I left satisfied, and it wasn't easy as I took some time. So that was nice. And I walk past there frequently and when I saw her again I at least chatted briefly, and on the next weekend went with her again. 1000 for girl (like I said, patient, way over an hour) 300 for room (no annoying knock, but also not full of customers that day). I do the drink, so that adds up to about 1600. Whatever. Second time I exchanged Line ids, and noticed she has a sponsor in Britain or so. Weird enough, as Christmas approached, I didn't see her any more outside the club. So no further repeat. And I like repeats.

Back to my primary GoGo that I get sucked in over and over again like flies to honey. Now my little cute "friend" always sits next to me, gobbling up them drinks. For them it's of course about the dough and a certain quota (tells me she must make 70 more until the deadline in a week to get 10,000 baht premium. I said I prefer giving her 10 k than buying 15 k worth of drinks. (Neither of which I will do just like that of course.) So anyway, we both got warm with each other, and although I know it's of course not serious, it is fun to have that emotional connection and being special for someone. Making plans to spend new years eve. I will try to bar fine her a few minutes before midnight so she gets out and we go to the beach for the fireworks. Couple of days later her term ends and she'll have some 5 days before returning to Issaan. She says we should go to Koh Lam, and I like that. I suck for this thing that feels a bit like a relationship.

I whined to her about my bad luck with getting to my magic eyes. In fact I got so frustrated with those magic eyes. They just won't look at me. Such ignorance! Jeez! Sadly it is very clear that that girl is very choosy. She will be cold or ignore completely those who don't appeal to her, while literally throwing herself on those who do. I'm jealous, heartbroken (of course that's silly, but those eyes are so special.) Now with my little friend in there I keep going back. Last night I barfined my little friend at 1,800 after midnight, only to see that my heart-throb had thrown herself on a dude who also barfined her. Ahhh. This is so hard.

But there is still my GoGo girl number 1 with the intriguing overbite mouth. At least sometimes I can catch her eyes and get a reaction. It's not easy with me special cute friend always hogging me when I am there (gobbling those drinks). Tonight first she gave me the same look-away avoidance as my heart throb, so I thought dang it! The same shit here! But yesterday I did catch her and told her "next time" as I was waiting for my bar-fined friend to get dressed. Tonight after ignoring me she and a bunch of other girls got hogged by a bunch of annoying Japanese (all dudes who go in one girls I like are of course very annoying.) Only after I left now leaving my cute "friend" behind, I walked by Number 1 on the stage and looked at her, smiled, making an expression to excuse again that it again didn't work. But I know one day I will at least talk to her to see if we get warm. Good thing is my little "friend" is not (yet) particularly jealous.

I had to go to bed earlier because I couldn't sleep well last night with her next to me. But she said I wouldn't have to bar fine any more, and she'd just come by my room after she's done in the bar (which is 3 am these days). Maybe I leave my door unlocked and she just walks in, while I sleep already. Haha, I actually like that. Let's see if she shows up. Oh, she never was cheap, 5000 LT, but it's standard for GoGo girls as far as I know. We haven't discussed how much her surprise visit would get her, but I don't care. This time, sorry. Maybe nothing, depending on how much she does for me.

Oh, and then I went to the other place to see perky nipples. One month after I first saw her dancing very shy. Now not so shy any more. Nice to find that she had always reciprocated my smile when I fixed her with my gaze. Now for first time I waved her for drink. When the drink arrived she was still on stage. Curious and cute detail, she wasn't sure if she could come down from the stage to sit next to me while her rotation was still going. She inquired another girl on this matter who told her it's fine. So she came. 20 years, with 4 yo child. Turns out she is only 1 month in the actual bar business, before she tried to work "decent" jobs at 7-11 and noodle shops. Her goal is to have her own noodle cart. Well, while she died her hair brown-ish and a little short for my preferences, I still find her and that connection cute, and want those perky nipples for me. So one day I will take her. Asked about that she appeared not familiar with the bar fine procedure, and I am not sure she'll go with me. But it looks like she could be convinced. I love how unexperienced she it. I suck for cuteness and innocence.

OK, then about the ThaiFriendly experience. Got 2 I really adored. The first one was the one who seemed not to like me but was still so cute while I was going at her and then she couldn't take it any more after a half hour. I discounted some of the agreed rate for this behavior. I kept messaging her from time to time going for a repeat if perhaps her way might change. But that didn't work. The other one was so cute, totally my type. Soft, a little belly, long black hair, very cute face. I would have "adopted" her in an instant. But she says she doesn't want to care about anyone, just ST boom boom bye bye, so I messaged her a few more times seeing if I could get her to soften up and become a bit warmer, but no.

Got a few more. The one who says "sexynotpretty" she is bubbly and a bit crazy. Workable. We didn't click too well. Another one. And then one day I had one who says she is "chubby" face looked young and cute still. When she arrived she was way more fat than I thought. It would have turned me off. Even her pussy not shaved. But strangely enough I didn't let that turn me off. So actually it ended up one of the better sessions for me. I do appreciate a little softness. But when at night she snored, then it hit me that I had not much desire left for her. Still, pleasant and politely we ended it at 6:30 am, so I could still catch up on some sleep. Another one came in the morning. Was ok. Most of those TF freelancers are around 1500ST, 3000 LT if at all they do LT. Give or take a few 100. One wanted 2500/5000, she seemed to have the appearance to be able to demand that. It was OK, but nothing to repeat.

OK, the TF girls are a problem as they are also very picky. So many who won't even read my messages, and I only write to those who are online. I think there is a huge over-supply of customers, so they can be very choosy, and ageism is everywhere here. Especially with the hotter ones. I reckon their message inboxes are so full that you are just flushed away instantly. Still I had connected with one who I really like and sadly she became almost absent as Christmas approached. I'll try her a few more times, I think she'll be special.

Finally I got a spark of attention from a 22 yo absolute bombshell girl. That one is a trophy. She is super hidden away. Got her WhatsApp number. But then, you know, no profile picture and message read receipt turned off. Many hours of the day not even online (message not received for hours). No reply when received. But sometimes there is a reply. Impossible to schedule, since I'm not going to stop my life waiting for being graced with an exceptional response message. But that one is the only one who can compete with magic eyes, so I have a double incentive to get her at least once, one to enjoy that face and secondly to forget magic eyes and her cold shoulder for me. Magic eyes wasn't even in the bar today, my mind rattles about how she got snapped up by that dude last night and they stuck together. Ahhhhrgh. Or maybe she just had a day off. I will still make her have one drink so I can at least talk with her. Once. Just to get that over with. Who knows, maybe she comes around when we talk.

So, that's about it. I know, not great for the time I have spent here. I have not gone back to Soi 6, but I still have that on my task list, to break that bad experience with some better experiences. Clearly beer bar girls are way cheaper than those GoGos. Oh and I walk by Vixen and Booby Trap twice a day or more, given Sir Lancelots report I paid attention. Not great, except Christmas eve there was one girls who could trump magic eyes. I just was already going home that night. So didn't walk up to her, only spun around (I guess that's why they call'them "spinner") but continued to my Hotel. Next two days, no sight of her. Ah well.

Now I will catch some sleep and see if my cute friend will actually come up to my hotel room when she's done working. Ah, one special touch of her loyalty to me was that she had bought gel, and even though I took it from the nightstand and put it next to her bag as she was leaving yesterday, she said we can leave it here, so it's there when she comes back. A nice touch that made me smile. An hour later she messaged me on line with some cute emojis, and being very nice to me. It could be that her interest got helped by how much she guessed from my financial situation (always calls me the "big bod" (meaning "big boss") now, especially when asking for a lady drink for her quota. But I don't care. I don't give a shit if she has her eyes on that, if that helps her to be nice to me, I like it that she's nice. And we had some genuine kissing moment even before she got that clue. So, it is what it is, I enjoy what comes to me enjoyable.

Thanks for your detailed report on Pattaya. Can you kindly share thenumbers and the price.

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[QUOTE=Volterra;2774089]One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage (admittedly getting back into the swing of things and also adversely affected by LB calling the shots in my mind-heart-genitalia connection). So I'm trying to get faster on the draw and be the first to ask for price quote so that I can counter offer lower.

I'll tip my hat to some of you champion negotiators, as this is not my best skill (I'm sure many of our bros feel just as amateurish) (and I'm a cheapskate to begin with, ruining many a nights).

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.[/QUOTE]Once upon a time, I was working in a country where the supermarkets had posted prices, but just about everywhere else, it was bargaining. New to me, and I was very frustrated because I didn't know what a good price was, specifically for a souvenir carved wooden chest that I wanted. A Brit friend gave me some advice I've never forgotten: what is IT worth to [B]YOU[/B]? If you can get it for that price or less, then it's a good deal. If not, then it's not a good deal [U]for you[/U]. That wooden chest has sat in my living room for almost 50 years now, and the price was worth it to me.

Whether you are the first to speak or she, does it really matter? If she speaks first, she KNOWS you are going to counter so will give you a higher price. If you speak first, she will give a [I]hoped for[/I] price hoping you will accept. It's a negotiation, she doesn't have to accept your price, you don't have to accept hers. Use the GM hiring philosophy: if 80+% of your offers are immediately accepted, your salary offers are too high. If only 30-% are accepted, it's too low. Once you know the going price, that's what you offer. When she makes the counter offer, just say "no thank you". Then up to her.

Once you are known, you don't have to bargain. Once in DXB, talking to a FL in a bar, I asked her how much she wanted. I've never forgotten her response: "Why are you asking me? Everyone knows you're Mr. 500."

And what are you talking about? 500 baht? That's about $15 USD. In DXB, I used to negotiate in 50 AED increments (about $15 USD). Then I realized what I was doing: was I really wasting [U]time[/U] and effort over $15? Granted, that was about 10% of the usually accepted rate. But put it in perspective. And I never paid any attention to the blah-blah-blah about ruining it for all by overpaying, as if ONE player could. When you get her back to the room, are you going to be worrying about how much you paid, or do you want to just enjoy. And some won't be worth it, but NOW you KNOW. But some will be WELL worth it, and that you REMEMBER. I certainly overpay my fav, but so what? Her experience IS worth it [u]to me[/u].

Like I said, it was ALWAYS what was her experience worth to me. For some, it was one price, for others, higher. For a few, a lot more. And sometimes, I went home alone because none were worth it. Think about when you return home. What will you remember? How much money you paid, or all the experiences you had, good and bad? For ME, my memories are priceless and it's NOT about the cost.

Bottom line, what is [B]HER[/B] experience worth to [B]YOU[/B] that night? And how much will you regret missing the opportunity if you never have another chance? That's the price you offer. If accepted, fine. If not, think about the regret factor. If none, look elsewhere. Otherwise, raise the price. Eventually, you'll reach a go/no go point.

[QUOTE=JasonSilva;2774186]Never ask. Always tell. But don't quote low and try to negotiate. Just tell your final offer in first message / talk. Girls like to move fast too and like who don't waste their time.

There is no point in saving few hundred baht when you are here for experience and your 2 biggest expenses are flight and hotel. Most of the people here come for 3-10 days.

I normally pay 1500 baht flat, no tips. I ignore other counteroffers as I don't want to waste my time negotiating.[/QUOTE]A briefer, better answer than mine that I didn't see before posting. Salute.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774188]Been here now for 45 days plus most of my 30 day visa extension. I cannot get this nagging feeling of age discrimination away. I am a little over 50 but frequently guessed at 40. Still, it is too much negative experiences. I have tried to forget that and move on, but it keeps haunting me. But that doesn't mean there is no fun. I go to the same two GoGo places (need to try the list of bests that was recently published, never went into one on Walking Street as I am so convenient around the corner of LK Metro, I just stay here.

First GoGo place I zeroed in on a girl with nice round curves and boobs dancing topless. As usual, I zero in on face though, she has a remarkable overbite like mouth but with plump lips, it is intriguing. That was the first GoGo bar girl ever that I had set my eyes on. As I left from that place after just looking for a half hour or so, there is one on the stage who has eyes I could die for. Oh my God, those eyes. I was going out already so I didn't stop but went back over and over again to get to those eyes. But she always escaped me.

Meanwhile in that GoGo bar, walks up a real cutie with the long black hair and a smile with braces that melts my heart. I smiled as she walked by. She smiled. Then came and sat down next to me. This was the one time probably where the girl coming up to me unsolicited was about 100% my type. (Just not the magic eyes, so it took a bit to fully appreciate her.) I wrote about her as the one who excessively washes her pussy because it does have a bit of a smell. But she is so cute. What happened is after we were together I thought I wouldn't see her again, because it wasn't that great and then the issue. But, fast forward about 2 weeks, as I went back to find my magic eyes and finally connect with her, I see a bubbly girl dancing next to her, and I try to not make eye contact with her because I really wanted the attention of the magic eyes. But that bubbly girl inserted herself and sat next to me. And it took me a moment to remember it was her. At least I remembered her name, and she didn't remember mine. BUT I found it a really nice touch that she came up to me again and did remember me.

Meanwhile I also checked out those Gentlemen's Club alias Blowjob Bars, including Excite Club and once in King's Club. King's was not my thing, the ladies too old and curvy I guess. But in Excite I had one who sat outside and was my type (it seems like I have a magnet for the fake shorter hair blondes and the black long haired ones who I really want tend to ignore me. Curious, if that means that the black long haired are more attractive (and therefore more aloof) then why the fook do the others cut and die their hair? I will never get it. Anyway, so there is the one who is more my type, and upon eye contact it was confirmed that she was open for me. Carpe diem and I walked up and we went in. She gets an A+ rating for (a) noticing what I like and keep doing it (kissing in a special way that's not actually so intrusive that it can't just be done, I really loved that touch, and (b) she was making sure I left satisfied, and it wasn't easy as I took some time. So that was nice. And I walk past there frequently and when I saw her again I at least chatted briefly, and on the next weekend went with her again. 1000 for girl (like I said, patient, way over an hour) 300 for room (no annoying knock, but also not full of customers that day). I do the drink, so that adds up to about 1600. Whatever. Second time I exchanged Line ids, and noticed she has a sponsor in Britain or so. Weird enough, as Christmas approached, I didn't see her any more outside the club. So no further repeat. And I like repeats.

Back to my primary GoGo that I get sucked in over and over again like flies to honey. Now my little cute "friend" always sits next to me, gobbling up them drinks. For them it's of course about the dough and a certain quota (tells me she must make 70 more until the deadline in a week to get 10,000 baht premium. I said I prefer giving her 10 k than buying 15 k worth of drinks. (Neither of which I will do just like that of course.) So anyway, we both got warm with each other, and although I know it's of course not serious, it is fun to have that emotional connection and being special for someone. Making plans to spend new years eve. I will try to bar fine her a few minutes before midnight so she gets out and we go to the beach for the fireworks. Couple of days later her term ends and she'll have some 5 days before returning to Issaan. She says we should go to Koh Lam, and I like that. I suck for this thing that feels a bit like a relationship.

I whined to her about my bad luck with getting to my magic eyes. In fact I got so frustrated with those magic eyes. They just won't look at me. Such ignorance! Jeez! Sadly it is very clear that that girl is very choosy. She will be cold or ignore completely those who don't appeal to her, while literally throwing herself on those who do. I'm jealous, heartbroken (of course that's silly, but those eyes are so special.) Now with my little friend in there I keep going back. Last night I barfined my little friend at 1,800 after midnight, only to see that my heart-throb had thrown herself on a dude who also barfined her. Ahhh. This is so hard.

But there is still my GoGo girl number 1 with the intriguing overbite mouth. At least sometimes I can catch her eyes and get a reaction. It's not easy with me special cute friend always hogging me when I am there (gobbling those drinks). Tonight first she gave me the same look-away avoidance as my heart throb, so I thought dang it! The same shit here! But yesterday I did catch her and told her "next time" as I was waiting for my bar-fined friend to get dressed. Tonight after ignoring me she and a bunch of other girls got hogged by a bunch of annoying Japanese (all dudes who go in one girls I like are of course very annoying.) Only after I left now leaving my cute "friend" behind, I walked by Number 1 on the stage and looked at her, smiled, making an expression to excuse again that it again didn't work. But I know one day I will at least talk to her to see if we get warm. Good thing is my little "friend" is not (yet) particularly jealous.

I had to go to bed earlier because I couldn't sleep well last night with her next to me. But she said I wouldn't have to bar fine any more, and she'd just come by my room after she's done in the bar (which is 3 am these days). Maybe I leave my door unlocked and she just walks in, while I sleep already. Haha, I actually like that. Let's see if she shows up. Oh, she never was cheap, 5000 LT, but it's standard for GoGo girls as far as I know. We haven't discussed how much her surprise visit would get her, but I don't care. This time, sorry. Maybe nothing, depending on how much she does for me.

Oh, and then I went to the other place to see perky nipples. One month after I first saw her dancing very shy. Now not so shy any more. Nice to find that she had always reciprocated my smile when I fixed her with my gaze. Now for first time I waved her for drink. When the drink arrived she was still on stage. Curious and cute detail, she wasn't sure if she could come down from the stage to sit next to me while her rotation was still going. She inquired another girl on this matter who told her it's fine. So she came. 20 years, with 4 yo child. Turns out she is only 1 month in the actual bar business, before she tried to work "decent" jobs at 7-11 and noodle shops. Her goal is to have her own noodle cart. Well, while she died her hair brown-ish and a little short for my preferences, I still find her and that connection cute, and want those perky nipples for me. So one day I will take her. Asked about that she appeared not familiar with the bar fine procedure, and I am not sure she'll go with me. But it looks like she could be convinced. I love how unexperienced she it. I suck for cuteness and innocence.

OK, then about the ThaiFriendly experience. Got 2 I really adored. The first one was the one who seemed not to like me but was still so cute while I was going at her and then she couldn't take it any more after a half hour. I discounted some of the agreed rate for this behavior. I kept messaging her from time to time going for a repeat if perhaps her way might change. But that didn't work. The other one was so cute, totally my type. Soft, a little belly, long black hair, very cute face. I would have "adopted" her in an instant. But she says she doesn't want to care about anyone, just ST boom boom bye bye, so I messaged her a few more times seeing if I could get her to soften up and become a bit warmer, but no.

Got a few more. The one who says "sexynotpretty" she is bubbly and a bit crazy. Workable. We didn't click too well. Another one. And then one day I had one who says she is "chubby" face looked young and cute still. When she arrived she was way more fat than I thought. It would have turned me off. Even her pussy not shaved. But strangely enough I didn't let that turn me off. So actually it ended up one of the better sessions for me. I do appreciate a little softness. But when at night she snored, then it hit me that I had not much desire left for her. Still, pleasant and politely we ended it at 6:30 am, so I could still catch up on some sleep. Another one came in the morning. Was ok. Most of those TF freelancers are around 1500ST, 3000 LT if at all they do LT. Give or take a few 100. One wanted 2500/5000, she seemed to have the appearance to be able to demand that. It was OK, but nothing to repeat.

OK, the TF girls are a problem as they are also very picky. So many who won't even read my messages, and I only write to those who are online. I think there is a huge over-supply of customers, so they can be very choosy, and ageism is everywhere here. Especially with the hotter ones. I reckon their message inboxes are so full that you are just flushed away instantly. Still I had connected with one who I really like and sadly she became almost absent as Christmas approached. I'll try her a few more times, I think she'll be special.

Finally I got a spark of attention from a 22 yo absolute bombshell girl. That one is a trophy. She is super hidden away. Got her WhatsApp number. But then, you know, no profile picture and message read receipt turned off. Many hours of the day not even online (message not received for hours). No reply when received. But sometimes there is a reply. Impossible to schedule, since I'm not going to stop my life waiting for being graced with an exceptional response message. But that one is the only one who can compete with magic eyes, so I have a double incentive to get her at least once, one to enjoy that face and secondly to forget magic eyes and her cold shoulder for me. Magic eyes wasn't even in the bar today, my mind rattles about how she got snapped up by that dude last night and they stuck together. Ahhhhrgh. Or maybe she just had a day off. I will still make her have one drink so I can at least talk with her. Once. Just to get that over with. Who knows, maybe she comes around when we talk.

So, that's about it. I know, not great for the time I have spent here. I have not gone back to Soi 6, but I still have that on my task list, to break that bad experience with some better experiences. Clearly beer bar girls are way cheaper than those GoGos. Oh and I walk by Vixen and Booby Trap twice a day or more, given Sir Lancelots report I paid attention. Not great, except Christmas eve there was one girls who could trump magic eyes. I just was already going home that night. So didn't walk up to her, only spun around (I guess that's why they call'them "spinner") but continued to my Hotel. Next two days, no sight of her. Ah well.

Now I will catch some sleep and see if my cute friend will actually come up to my hotel room when she's done working. Ah, one special touch of her loyalty to me was that she had bought gel, and even though I took it from the nightstand and put it next to her bag as she was leaving yesterday, she said we can leave it here, so it's there when she comes back. A nice touch that made me smile. An hour later she messaged me on line with some cute emojis, and being very nice to me. It could be that her interest got helped by how much she guessed from my financial situation (always calls me the "big bod" (meaning "big boss") now, especially when asking for a lady drink for her quota. But I don't care. I don't give a shit if she has her eyes on that, if that helps her to be nice to me, I like it that she's nice. And we had some genuine kissing moment even before she got that clue. So, it is what it is, I enjoy what comes to me enjoyable.[/QUOTE]I'm surmising it's your heritage of Origin.

I see old guys regularly Barfine.

Sir Lancelot is no Spring Chicken.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2774089]One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage (admittedly getting back into the swing of things and also adversely affected by LB calling the shots in my mind-heart-genitalia connection). So I'm trying to get faster on the draw and be the first to ask for price quote so that I can counter offer lower.

I'll tip my hat to some of you champion negotiators, as this is not my best skill (I'm sure many of our bros feel just as amateurish) (and I'm a cheapskate to begin with, ruining many a nights).

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.[/QUOTE]Sir L as example.

This is what's happening.

Sir L knows Soi 6 girls are valued at 1,000.

The girl knows she valued at 1,000.

It s not really a negotiation going on there. Psedo negotiation. No harm no foul kind of thing.

Key is to know price beforehand.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774188]My Update[/QUOTE]So you are allowed to have your preferences, but she (general she) is not? For me, 2 sides of the same coin. Those that are not interested in me, I readily move on to those that are and don't worry about those that aren't. Life is too short.

Soi 6 drink quotas is insane.

Not getting info from a 1,000 Soi 6 barfine so my intelligence could be Flawed. LOL.

Livestream chat a guy says quota to meet salary,. Drink portion is 200 Drinkie s. Another guy chimes in and say may girls actually lose money working. Sounds kind of legit if you walk past Soi 6 all day long. Yes some places are doing brisk business, but they seem to be the Outlier.

Just on drinks by the numbers. 200 drinks at $6. 00 is $1,200 gross.

Bar definitely win. Girl, I'm not so sure.

Quite an accomplishment!.

[QUOTE=Proprono;2774201]Thanks for your detailed report on Pattaya. Can you kindly share thenumbers and the price.

Thanks. It appears your inbox is full.[/QUOTE]Which one of the girls interest you?

Overbite, Smelly Girl, Plumpy, No eye contact, the one that couldn't take more than 30 minutes,etc.

No offense but not even a photo with Blurred faces.

You do know Pattaya has 10,000 Bargirls any given night, I really do t know the number.

Most establishment s have more girls than customers, I'm including beer bars on Soi 7:8. Inside joke.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2774262]So you are allowed to have your preferences, but she (general she) is not? For me, 2 sides of the same coin. Those that are not interested in me, I readily move on to those that are and don't worry about those that aren't. Life is too short.[/QUOTE]Not to sound too harsh. Been there, done that. There was a FL that I was infatuated with. Had seen her many times, but often too late to connect. But was able to make an offer and she accepted. Back to my place, NOT the spectacular experience I had imagined. OK, so let's try a 2nd shot. Oops. In my mesmerization, I had neglected to specify menu. She said if I wanted a 2nd shot, that would cost more. I told her I never paid for a 2nd shot, she said she always was. Stalemate. Fine, reality HAD set in. Paid for her taxi in the morning; NOW I KNEW HER experience with ME.

Week or 2 later, friend asked if I happened to know a girl, describing her by her usual outfit. Yes, it was she, and told him I did and that we hadn't clicked. Did I have her number? Yes. Could he have it? Of course. They hit it off great. She became his Me Noi, exclusive. Great for them, never bothered me. As the ole cliche is true: many fish in the sea. I remember her for the very title: Disappointment: the difference between my fantasy and reality. Should have been clear from the start that her non-interest was a CLEAR indication of NO fireworks, simply business. Lesson relearned once again. But so many others that I remember for all the RIGHT reasons. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2774077]1000 baht for LT overnight (2 sessions, one shot before sleep and one shot in the morning)? I haven't heard anything so low recently. I was talking about LT not ST. I would have gone for 2500 but not 3000, which is why I didn't follow through.[/QUOTE]I was talking about LT too. In all these years I have given 2 chicks 1500 for LT. For 14 years my usual has been 1000 for LT and more frequently now I will give 1200. Never even considered giving anyone 2500 or 3000. Even when I used to hang out in Bangkok I did not do that.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2774089]I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation. This has been to my disadvantage.

Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?[/QUOTE]To me it does not matter who talks first. I am not one to just blab a price out when they may have come with a lower price though. So I usually ask how much first in order to see where her head is. If a chick asks me how much then 1000 is my answer. If she says a number that I do not like I am liable to say anything. Can not. Why so expensive. I am not rich. Better 1000. My mama say I can only pay 1000. Anything that comes to mind.

Crazy story I was at the disco last month with 2 other board members and another buddy. It was my dad's birthday. We shut the club down. Lights came on at 6:20 am. I was taking my girl home with me. She asked how much I would give her and I said 1200 until night time. So my dad left with her friend.

I went to the apartment that the girl shares with her friend to get her some more clothes. With her staying LT she could not wear that club shit when we went wherever the next afternoon.

So the girl gets a call from her friend. My dad was only going to give her 1200 too. But the girl would not budge off of 1500. My girl had a solution. She would give her friend 300 of the 1200 that I gave her so it would total 1500.

We left her apartment and another friend had just gotten into town so we all met up for breakfast before going in. Come to find out the girl's roommate used to work reception at a hospital with another chick I talk to. I said do you know such and such. She said yeah she works at night and I worked in the day.

We went in and the girl stayed with my dad all day. She even helped him change hotels that afternoon. I called him about 4 pm and he said he had let the girl go because he did not know what I had planned. I was still with her friend so I just took her home and told her I would see her later.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2773793]I'm in Pattaya now. Even though it's packed with Christmas visitors, the supply of well trained massage girls is still more than plentiful to keep in-shop massage prices down. I paid 200 for 1-hour Thai massage (plus 100 tip) 2 days ago at Risa massage on Soi 8 with very fit and busty 30+ year old who used to do 5-star hotel spas in Phuket. Like others, she is clearly "moonlighting" for add on services, where she can make her real money. The veggie massage part was amazing, she is a real professional. Of course, she did some mild teasing the 2nd half when I got on my back, and when it got to the final 10 minutes, she really went to work on little bro to see if I wanted extra services in the shop. But she was really trying to set up further communication for outcall. She gladly gave me her Line and quoted 3000 for overnight FS (2 shots, no massage) (she said massage outcall would be 'much more expensive' I didn't have her come (yet), because I'd rather go back to her for the cheap amazing veggie massage every couple days.

There were 2-3 younger hotter girls there but they seemed to specialize in foot massage where it's not done in private. The real hottie was the shop manager. Late 20's amazonian, but I don't know how available she'd be for FS. She said her girls specialize (some in private upstairs and others in public downstairs). The places are packed with underworked massage girls on every street. They all seem to have 1-2 younger hotties, 2-3 fit 30's types, and then a bunch of chubbier 30's-40's.

My suggestion would be to go in shop for the first visit and pick your best available one for Thai massage. Then when her hands wander to your LB, tell her not now but ask if she does outcall message + FS or FS only. Then no need to waste money on more expensive outcall massage and can go straight to evil deed ST / LT as you negotiate.

There are so many good massages here that you don't need to pay more than 200-300 for the massage part itself. You will inevitably get the offer for other services, because that's where their real income comes from.[/QUOTE]I find this massage stuff a mystery. Just now I walked up to some massage girls who looked cute, and I asked. Yesterday did the same thing. All around Soi Bukhao. They are all direct to HJ BJ, and what I really want is just a massage with the option to escalate. So I will not go into these many places where they have rows of armchairs and work your feet and legs. What's the point of that? At least I want privacy. I also want the massage girl to really work my body, whatever sitting and standing on me or whatever it is. But no, even on those that have these price lists for 200 and 300 etc. They don't even care, it's just HJ BJ. How does one find the place where it's a middle ground?

The one recommendation of Risa Massage at Soi 6 is noted. But how do you spot these that actually do real massage?

I had one Nuru massage in BKK and that was really well done. Not just quick excuse of a massage. But then that's Nuru and so the program is clear.

[QUOTE=11Bravo;2774262]So you are allowed to have your preferences, but she (general she) is not? For me, 2 sides of the same coin. Those that are not interested in me, I readily move on to those that are and don't worry about those that aren't. Life is too short.[/QUOTE]Where did I say that "allowed" stuff? Why do you have to twist it like that? White knighting much?

We all know that one cannot force someone else to like us, and when they don't it's utterly pointless to keep obsessing about it. But we also know that when the bug bites us it's really hard to let go, so we end up whining and obsessing anyway. What's the big deal?

Obviously ultimately we move on. But man, I want my magic eyes and to like me. Not going to happen. Sigh.

Speaking about obsessing. So my GoGo girl with the magic eyes didn't have a number tag any more the last time (and the time before? Yesterday, even GoGo Girl Number 1 didn't have the tag. But my cute friend does, even though she left the gel in my room on purpose for when she comes back.

I wonder, are they just forgetting to put it on or does it mean something?

Like: no tag number = not wanting to be "ordered" by random guy for drink.

Or does it mean nothing much?

BTW, at 3:30 am my cute friend messaged me that she was too tired to still come to me, and went straight to her room. I understand. Frankly, 3 am is way to late for me to start up again when I'm sleeping already. I'll go back to the bar tonight and even if my cute "friend" keeps hogging me I will hail Number 1 and if destiny permits, even magic eyes over to have a conversation. Especially in the latter case, perhaps my cute "friend's" presence can relax the situation. On Christmas eve I was thinking I could just go back with both of them, or all three, haha. After all, didn't get any other Christmas presents so do a completely overpriced triple take-out with crazy bar fine of 3,600 baht each before midnight, I was going to do it if the stars had aligned. Imagine the bill: 17,200 baht for two, 25,800 for three. That's seriously "big bod" level, almost like the annoying Japanese possibly ended up doing. GoGo bars are very expensive if you think about it. Crazy. You go in for a 69 baht draught beer and come out with a bill of 500 minimum, or, if the stars align 25 thousand. Crazy!

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774344]So my GoGo girl with the magic eyes didn't have a number tag any more the last time (and the time before? Yesterday, even GoGo Girl Number 1 didn't have the tag. But my cute friend does,
I wonder, are they just forgetting to put it on or does it mean something?
[/QUOTE]You have boots on the ground. Why did you not ask while you were there then come make a report saying hey guys I have a new piece of information.