Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2773880]This should be 1000 baht. I have never had to, but if you must, then absolutely no more than 1500.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Volterra;2774077]1000 baht for LT overnight (2 sessions, one shot before sleep and one shot in the morning)? I haven't heard anything so low recently. I was talking about LT not ST. I would have gone for 2500 but not 3000, which is why I didn't follow through.[/QUOTE]Mr. E. is a resident with his own apartment, at least for much of the year. For residents it's easier to negotiate a low price than it is for the average tourist who is in town for just a couple of weeks, because the girls hope to get repeat business.
That's why the first two questions that you get from the girls are often 'where you stay?', and 'how long you stay?'.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774336]I find this massage stuff a mystery. Just now I walked up to some massage girls who looked cute, and I asked. Yesterday did the same thing. All around Soi Bukhao. They are all direct to HJ BJ, and what I really want is just a massage with the option to escalate. So I will not go into these many places where they have rows of armchairs and work your feet and legs. What's the point of that? At least I want privacy. I also want the massage girl to really work my body, whatever sitting and standing on me or whatever it is. But no, even on those that have these price lists for 200 and 300 etc. They don't even care, it's just HJ BJ. How does one find the place where it's a middle ground?

The one recommendation of Risa Massage at Soi 6 is noted. But how do you spot these that actually do real massage?

I had one Nuru massage in BKK and that was really well done. Not just quick excuse of a massage. But then that's Nuru and so the program is clear.[/QUOTE]Pre COVID Huay Kwang Bangkok VIP Massage was just what you wanted. Hot girls who actually gave a decent massage. Of course if you left without Special I'm sure they didn't want nothing to do with you anymore. No Biggie.

However if you clicked with one, OMG, in a good way.

Majority of my money was spent there.

Present day Thailand I've come to conclusion there just isn't any place like that anymore.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774344]Speaking about obsessing. So my GoGo girl with the magic eyes didn't have a number tag any more the last time (and the time before? Yesterday, even GoGo Girl Number 1 didn't have the tag. But my cute friend does, even though she left the gel in my room on purpose for when she comes back.

I wonder, are they just forgetting to put it on or does it mean something?

Like: no tag number = not wanting to be "ordered" by random guy for drink.

Or does it mean nothing much?

BTW, at 3:30 am my cute friend messaged me that she was too tired to still come to me, and went straight to her room. I understand. Frankly, 3 am is way to late for me to start up again when I'm sleeping already. I'll go back to the bar tonight and even if my cute "friend" keeps hogging me I will hail Number 1 and if destiny permits, even magic eyes over to have a conversation. Especially in the latter case, perhaps my cute "friend's" presence can relax the situation. On Christmas eve I was thinking I could just go back with both of them, or all three, haha. After all, didn't get any other Christmas presents so do a completely overpriced triple take-out with crazy bar fine of 3,600 baht each before midnight, I was going to do it if the stars had aligned. Imagine the bill: 17,200 baht for two, 25,800 for three. That's seriously "big bod" level, almost like the annoying Japanese possibly ended up doing. GoGo bars are very expensive if you think about it. Crazy. You go in for a 69 baht draught beer and come out with a bill of 500 minimum, or, if the stars align 25 thousand. Crazy![/QUOTE]500 bill. 70 for your drink. 430 left. Not even 3 drinks. Not outrageous.

You are doing fine.

Posts where you read majority of girlsend up in Good experience s are dubious in Nature, meaning a lot of self Narcissist Aggrandization must be going on.

Girls are just not interested in us like we are in them. Duh.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774338]Where did I say that "allowed" stuff? Why do you have to twist it like that? White knighting much?

We all know that one cannot force someone else to like us, and when they don't it's utterly pointless to keep obsessing about it. But we also know that when the bug bites us it's really hard to let go, so we end up whining and obsessing anyway. What's the big deal?

Obviously ultimately we move on. But man, I want my magic eyes and to like me. Not going to happen. Sigh.[/QUOTE]Yea, I was white knighting, trying to give you a slap to snap you out of your obsession, and stop the bleating. Reality, it's business. Yes, you can have fun, a lot of fun, but ALWAYS remember, it's business. Is this the way you want to spend your holidays, melancholic?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774344]I'll go back to the bar tonight and even if my cute "friend" keeps hogging me I will hail Number 1 and if destiny permits, even magic eyes over to have a conversation. Especially in the latter case, perhaps my cute "friend's" presence can relax the situation. [/QUOTE]If you want an answer, it's simple. Get to the bar early. Forget the eye contact (though that is the best way to start the attitude check, if she's smiling, but you know that). Point Ms Eyes out to the Mamasan, tell Mamasan you'd like to see Ms Eyes. If she doesn't come over, now you know. If she does, buy her a lady drink and check her attitude. I'd suggest wearing a winter parka because methinks the temperature will drop 40 degrees, but that's just me. You never know, TIT. Make her an offer. The worst she can say is no. If she says no, now you know. If she says yes, go. I think at best (previous experience), it'll be a business starfish, but then you'll know. Repeat the above for as many [I]gotta have hers[/I] as necessary. Just be aware that Ms Cutie will not be pleased, though she will accept reality as she understands it's business.

And I don't think your cute "friend" will relax the situation, but rather complicate it. Everyone in the bar knows you've been taking her, so will be reluctant to cut in (my experience anyway in BKK). For New Year's Eve, I'd bar fine her early, then cut out to enjoy. Why wait until just before midnight? Your hotel's roof have a place to watch the fireworks?

I guess it sounds strange, but do you guys know if nearby Pattaya there are any real swimming pool?

For proper swimming I mean.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2774305]I was talking about LT too. In all these years I have given 2 chicks 1500 for LT. For 14 years my usual has been 1000 for LT and more frequently now I will give 1200. Never even considered giving anyone 2500 or 3000. Even when I used to hang out in Bangkok I did not do that.[/QUOTE]Mate you got to be some sorta superstar, as far as I'm concerned. Fine, I accept my newfound napolean complex in front of guys like you, but seriously, I haven't the slightest idea how anyone newer to Pattaya or Bangkok could possibly pull off 1000 (much less 1500) for LT. There's got to be a catch. You're super charming? Years of experience networking or slipping in through the conversational cracks? Unusually well endowed or famous for driving girls to multi orgasms? Phenomenal Thai language ability?

I mean seriously, you must realize that you live in a different universe than most of us (I say that out of admiration and envy). I suppose a lot of guys on this channel don't want to show their inferiority complex in the face of guys like you, but I'm not afraid to in the least. I'm happy to read all of the thoughts about my negotiation question, but it doesn't escape me that many newer comers to this game will simply never get anywhere if they follow your advice, unless they have months and months on the ground to build up rapport, buy loads of unrewarded drinks, and whack themselves off night after night when they can't get a price like yours. I'm fighting for 1000 just for ST, and that's just a quick quick quickie.

So if you can dig into your soul and share what must be some of your secrets, I'm all ears and will be the first to get on my knees (not in front of your knob, don't worry.) and bow to the master.

(Hey, I'm just jesting, but really can't believe that most guys can pull off 1000 LT in 2023.) But thanks to you and for all the responses, was good reading, and I'll try to build my technique in coming years.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2774365]Mr. E. is a resident with his own apartment, at least for much of the year. For residents it's easier to negotiate a low price than it is for the average tourist who is in town for just a couple of weeks, because the girls hope to get repeat business.
That's why the first two questions that you get from the girls are often 'where you stay?', and 'how long you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'm with you. (See my other reply just before this.) The thing is, I'm not a newcomer. I've done my research, lots of experimenting and improving, and walked away many times because exorbitant prices and excessive gogo bar / massage politics are simply not worth it to ME. Can't wait to retire, move here and get my own place so I can start bargaining for 700 LT.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2774336].. I also want the massage girl to really work my body, whatever sitting and standing on me or whatever it is. But no, even on those that have these price lists for 200 and 300 etc. They don't even care, it's just HJ BJ. How does one find the place where it's a middle ground?...[/QUOTE]Indeed. I surmise that's because they assume a HJ or a BJ will be quickly over. Besides, I never had a good happy end (HJ) massage in TH. The tugging felt always worse than what I could achieve with my own hand. I was 3 times at Bangkok's Tulip over the past 4 years, for want of something better to do. Three times I left without finishing.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2774089]One thing increasingly on my mind this trip has been the process for negotiation. I note Sir Lancelot's recurring theme of success in countering offers (eg. , the girl asks 1500 and readily agrees to 1000 counter offer, or asks 3000 and agrees to 2500) at 500 below quoted price.

I've had some of the same luck in this regard when the girl quotes the price and I make the counter offer. But I've also noticed more and more that some girls are asking "how much you want to pay" and then automatically raising 300-500 from my quotation.
Do any of you guys have any thoughts on whether it matters who asks first? Who quotes first? Who makes the counter offer? Or am I overthinking this?

Appreciate your thoughts mates.[/QUOTE]I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.

My mistake was not knowing that the Repent Bar is part of the nightwish group. I hate this nightwish bullshit. You can have everything there, but no boom boom.

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.

E Extension Process.

1. You upload your documents to their servers.

2. You pay the fee of 1900 plus 500-5000 for service fee.

3. Go to Immigration office in person and queue up to get your stamp.

*But what they don't tell you is that some offices require Address Notification slip and TM30 filed like Jomtien. So before you get your stamp. You will queue back into the Address Notification Window 10.

Visa fees for E Service.

The fee payment is the last step of your application process after submitting your details and the other mandatory documents. The fees paid for E-Extension visa would be (non refundable online processing fee, inclusive of all charges) as follows:

Visa fee: 1,900 THB.

Service fee as following:

Regular Service fee: 500 THB.

Express Service fee: 1,500 THB.

Super Urgent sService fee to be 5,000 THB *You can also apply for a super urgent service, to get your E-Extension decision within next day (only business day).

(The normal way of doing it (30 days added to my 45 days) that I did today, was go to Immigration early. Queued up to get Address Notification Window 10 first. Once that was complete, got another queue ticket for Window 1 to submit my paperwork and pay 1900. Then let them upload the paperwork and got my stamp. All of which took less than 30 minutes for 1900 baht. I swear they find so many ways to scam in this country).

[QUOTE=Gonova;2773538]This is going to be my first trip to Pattaya in 2 weeks and one of my goals was to try and find an attractive Russian girl to spend some time with (along w others). But, none of the street videos I see show ANY Russian bargirls, they used to be on Walking Street outside a Russian club. Is the club gone? Are there any places that have Russian bargirls or freelancers?[/QUOTE]Gonova, I was planning to survey Russian spots on Walking St after walking past a few last week. There are at least a couple clubs specializing in Russians. I went to Galaxy last night, which is almost exclusively Russian. Unfortunately, as I entered, the young Russian guy told me there was a private party so I couldn't go in last night. I asked him about prices. His reply:

Customer beers. Around 300 baht.

Lady drinks. Around 600 baht.

Bar fine. No BF (I quote him).

Girl prices. Unfortunately, he wouldn't say, except that it is up to the girl.

Some others may have better knowledge of this, but based on drink prices (around 3 x the cost of other bars) and no BF, you may have an idea of the prices.

I couldn't see the quality of girls there, but he directed me to Stars club just across the street, which is exclusively Euro girls. I went up, but it's NMCOT, being the Euro style gents club with sofas and individual dancers spread out around the club. So I didn't stay. The girls looked so so there, and I saw one less than hot brunette girl leaving with a customer.

It's not much info, but at least a peak into the few clubs on Walking Street. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2774365]Mr. E. is a resident with his own apartment, at least for much of the year. For residents it's easier to negotiate a low price than it is for the average tourist who is in town for just a couple of weeks, because the girls hope to get repeat business.
That's why the first two questions that you get from the girls are often 'where you stay?', and 'how long you.[/QUOTE]That has nothing to do with nothing. Everywhere I go I operate the same. I have friends that live in Pattaya that pay more than me. I have friends that do not live in Pattaya that pay the same as me when they visit. And I have friends that do not live in Pattaya that I found out were paying Beach Road chicks less than me. Just like I posted about the friend that paid the African chick 700 baht when she asks 1500 and 2000 from other guys. He does not live in Pattaya. You pay what you negotiate. It does not matter where you live.

It is a matter of doing better when you know better. My first trip to Thailand me and my friend were in the airport and went to that taxi desk. We paid 600 baht to go to Nana. A couple of trips later when I was headed back to the airport and the taxi guy ran the meter is when I found out I was being ripped off. It came to 230 baht. Since then I have gone upstairs and outside to where they drop people off in order to negotiate a "real" price. That has nothing to do with living anywhere because it happens like that in most countries.

[QUOTE=XXL;2774415]Besides, I never had a good happy end (HJ) massage in TH. The tugging felt always worse than what I could achieve with my own hand. I was 3 times at Bangkok's Tulip over the past 4 years, for want of something better to do. Three times I left without finishing.[/QUOTE]You never met the famous Rin in Bangkok. She would have you trying to marry her. She is probably somewhere retired by now.

[QUOTE=RyoSaeba;1191952]rin has many fans in this forum, and since i never had a balls massage before, i felt i should try her services.
hana massage is located in a side alley along soi 22, about a 5/6 minute walk from sukhumvit on the left side, almost opposite the mercure hotel.

even by the often low bangkok standards, this parlor may induce you to do a quick about face:
- as you can see in my pic below, the alley is very nondescript and poor looking.
- as i approached the shop a mangy dog, who rin was tending to, started barking at me.
- rin as reported is not young, difficult to tell, could be 40 to 60 years old.
- i wasnt offered a drink or anything.
- the room where the massage took place was extremely small and cramped.

but then rin starts, and by the time shes finished your legs have turned into jelly, for just 1.000 baht all inclusive. it may not be something id want to do regularly, but this was definitely a hand-job from heaven.

funny bit: upon asking, rin explained that it was an old white guy who taught her![/QUOTE][QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287816]Call HANA and book Rin's Balls Massage. She'll have you not only Shoot a load that you would not even suspect you could shoot, but also you will have a HARD Hard-on for the next 2 days. Recommended.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2774421]I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.

My mistake was not knowing that the Repent Bar is part of the nightwish group. I hate this nightwish bullshit. You can have everything there, but no boom boom.

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.[/QUOTE]What you did is what any normal person will do on the average. Let me ask you for that 1000 baht gem you found at another bar. Including tip and transportation. How much did you spend on the entire Soi 6 experience just to get her? Now you understand the Nightwish monopoly. You should have RTFF. You got a (C) grade grade. To get a be, you should have done what we already wrote about. See a girl. Ask her her rate and how many drinks. That would save you so much trouble. But you tried to flatter her up with drinks, right? These girls quoting 2000-3000 at Soi 6 have Indian dudes buying them drinks for nothing but "hope. " They don't need to fuck anyone.

To get an A. First you ask for their name and age and where they are from. Then ask the price to go upstairs. If they say some BS high price. You call the Mama and manager over to confirm right in front of them and the other girls. Then you say no thanks. Leave without buying any drinks and make it public in the forum which girls are pulling this shit. A+ response will require you to let the girl know that you are about to make her famous. Someone did that with a couple of them and they had to move bars. One even dropped down to 1500 from 3000. Which is crazy for Soi 6. Don't be a rookie.

[QUOTE=MadDin19;2774421]I've never negotiated with a lady. And I never will do.

Yesterday I was in Soi 6. Repent Bar. I bought a lady 3 drinks. I wanted to go upstairs with her. She said 400 for the room and 2,000 for her. I said no and wanted to leave. Then she said 1,500. I told her that I know the usual prices in Soi 6 and don't negotiate. I then left.

I then fucked a lady in another bar for the usual 1 K+ room. And she was even prettier. Gave her another 200 tip.

If everyone did it like me, life would be easier.

My mistake was not knowing that the Repent Bar is part of the nightwish group. I hate this nightwish bullshit. You can have everything there, but no boom boom.

I never have asked a lady for the price. Not in Thailand, not in Africa, not in the Caribbean or anywhere else. When I'm on tour, I know the usual prices beforehand. If a lady tells me a price anyway, then I say yes or no. But I not negotiate.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you say except the last part. There has to be an agreement on the price or the punter risks having an unnecessary and unpleasant ending to a session. And if the girl thinks you cheated her, your reputation in that bar is shot. So why go through all that? The bad vibes and unpleasantries. So, I always ask the girl's price. In the example you set forth, Nightwish girl wants 2000. I would counter with 1000. Girl says OK, we go upstairs. Girl says 1500, I slowly walk away giving the girl the chance to agree to the real price. Girl says 1200 I might go along with it if the girl is a looker or I might walk anyway. It depends how I feel. But the main point is: I always have an agree on price before I go anywhere with a girl.

It does not matter if I am in LOS, Jakarta, the PI or Brazil. Monger rule #13: Always agree on the price before the session begins so there are no misunderstandings later.