Moscow

Come to Italy ;) All prostitutes behave the same way and their life aim is to lie for not working.

What is happening in Italy and all over the world? Yes in big cities there are some escorts for crazy money (and they are hit by the economic crisis too) but, all the rest of prostitutes (also young, beautiful and piggish), when they see the customer in the moment of negotiating, they understand if to say "50 euros pussy fucking with condom 10 minutes" or to say "20 euros deepthroat swallow blowjob with balls and asshole licking and prostratic massage". They are prostitutes and for their own definition they are not professional at all!

If the customer is cinic as much as the prostitute, if he tells the right words, if he behave the right way, then he can gets what he wants, maybe not at the first try but surely at the second or at the third try. Otherwise the customer has to pay the "public price" that is at least (at least) two times higher than the "standard price", for medium-low level services.

An example? Try to imagine, and I think this is just a sadic perversion (and I don't like at all!!!), but my three (3) married work colleagues pay 100 euros (33 euros each) to put half arm or a full Prosecco bottle in the ass of a beautiful Romanian, looking like Veronica Zemanova, for an hour (60 minutes arm pumping, alternating three half arms!). However she is always ready to ask for 50 euros for a quickie to "gentlemen" mongers: when you understand this, then you will understand prostitutes' mind (there is no exceptions, there is no special women).

I like Kiev because the scene is still quiet and well-girl-supplied and I am still a romantic guy. Otherwise, if I am a husband and I am glad simply to download my balls in the throat once a week, or I am glad to organize a gang-bang with my married work colleagues and a young Romanian prostitute, then I never think to take an airplane to go in any far country for sex, because in Italy (and in any country in the world) experienced mongers get what they want: just insist in the research.



[QUOTE=Passepartout]Oh really?

Please post on the paris thread, they are desesparate to find a beautiful woman for 100 euros...For this price, you get there an ugly and fat 45 y.o. black woman I wouldn't fuck if she would pay me 100 euros...[/QUOTE]

I agree with you my friend Acolonizer. Wherever in the world you pay 100EUR+ you will get some pussy.

From my very limited visits to Moscow which were always too busy for mongering, I understand one thing: Moscow is the absolute place to be for semi-pros or Short Term GFs looking for EUROS. Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.

But then again there's the language barrier.

[QUOTE=Aolini]Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.
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Yup, you're right. Lamborghini, condo on Ostozhenka, dacha on Rublevka, and $10K US a month for incidentals, and you can have pretty much any girl you want.

Удачи,
Пиздец

[QUOTE=Aolini]From my very limited visits to Moscow which were always too busy for mongering, I understand one thing: Moscow is the absolute place to be for semi-pros or Short Term GFs looking for EUROS. Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.

But then again there's the language barrier.[/QUOTE]I understand that there is SOME latent truth to what you are saying, but believe it is essentially naive and just a rehashed stereotype. Beyond the fact that most girls here don't want to be treated like *****s (except maybe when you are fucking them) and beyond the fact that for most girls of quality 200-300 euros isn't "game-changing" money, but rather just normal money, I agree with Pizdyets... to a point. Not talking about prostitutes. They work for cash obviously.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Yup, you're right. Lamborghini, condo on Ostozhenka, dacha on Rublevka, and $10K US a month for incidentals, and you can have pretty much any girl you want.

Удачи,
Пиздец[/QUOTE]For the top-tier "normal" girls, if you want to lure them with money, more than a couple hundred euros of expenditure are required to get their interest. And time.

They know their value and are determined to not sell themselves short. And they are increasingly adept at identifying guys with potential vs. guys looking for quick fun. And even then, not everybody can be "bought" with money and it's glittery trappings.
[QUOTE=Aolini]Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, when it comes to luring TRULY hot women (and not just naive b-squad studentki dressed in Mango and Miss Sixty) with cash, it's a paradox.

It will either involve a lot of cash, or none at all.

Screwed a stripper last night for: $0 (ok, spent $150 on calean, ice cream and wine on a first date)

Booty call hot finance junior exec inbound for: $0 (ok, she can have the Hoegaarden in my fridge)

Strippers aren't top tier girls per se, but you get the idea. I also could have paid her $300 in the strip club, but doubt she would have performed as well.

The junior exec is top-tier. Could have given her 300 euros on our first date and she would have given it back to me and told me to fuck off. Instead, took her to an art museum and later on gave her $80 crystal earrings + flowers + a lecture on photography as art.

Once cash is involved in a relationship, it takes a different course. There are both advantages and disadvantages to going this route.

Currently, I see mostly disadvantages. Not only the expenditure, but the attitudes in the relationship. It's corrupting in the positive sense if a girl fucks you for cash. It corrupts the relationship as well, negatively.

In my opinion, in cash relations it should be either straight up P4P.. amount "x" for sex... or leave the cash component out completely and just behave as normal humans using dating rituals without direct "support" of any kind. "Manly" support can be expressed in other ways.

[QUOTE=Aolini ]Moscow gives me the impression that you can literally have ANY woman you desire as long as you make the right offer.[/QUOTE]I get your points, but let me clarify something as I was misunderstood:

By "making the right offer" I do not mean necessarily cash. Consider it as a barter agreement where goods or services are exchanged.

I'm back from my trip in Moscow.

I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.

A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.

In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.

The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!

Ask me if you want any other comments.

Moscow is very expensive definitely!

[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]I'm back from my trip in Moscow.

I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.

A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.

In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.

The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!

Ask me if you want any other comments.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]I'm back from my trip in Moscow.

I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.

A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.

In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.

The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!

Ask me if you want any other comments.[/QUOTE]Thanks for actually posting some info after asking for some!

Most guys just ask and never give anything back. Kudos to you!

Regarding the private dances, what actually happened in the room? Just dancing and touching, or was kissing/oral or sex involved? Or are the listed prices just for the room and you can arrange sex with the girl for a seperate price (like in Aurora 911 etc.)?

Just curious.

[QUOTE=Aolini]By "making the right offer" I do not mean necessarily cash. Consider it as a barter agreement where goods or services are exchanged.[/QUOTE]I understood already, but still do not agree with the notion that all girls can be "bought".

What is true to a significant degree, and not just in Russia but everywhere in the world, is that girls will respond positively to all the things that money can buy... most especially a glamorous, comfortable lifestyle.

What's not to like about that?

You're welcome Doctor Skank! That's normal I give a few infos after I went there.
The private I chose was only dancing, touching. No kissing, and of course no sex.
The other one had happy ending as far as I understood.

Actually, I did not ask for extra. After having the confirmation of the "high" price of sex massage in the lobby, I did assume it should have been too expensive for me.

I lived in Moscow for about a decade 'til I moved to greener pastures in SA (In short, I am in it for the money).

I used to *ahem* severely dislike Chesterfields and Night Flight and the same goes for strip clubs.

I used to have my best luck over at the Hotel Kosmos. There were these two Ukrainian sisters (Natasha and Lena) who used to work one of the bars.

(OK, directions: when you enter the place, keep to the left. They have a crappy, overpriced bar to the immediate left of the check-in desks. There are several other bars, try not to get confused)

These girls would proposition you with "sex massage you vant the sex massage? " and I think that was the full extent of their English. They were something like RUB 5, 000 for about an hour or so (including the room). Essentially, what you get is two rounds with a mind-blowing CBJ in between.

I would *ahem* highly recommend it.

***disclaimer***

I have not been to Moscow in months, so I am not sure about the price / quality mix following the crisis.

I would imagine that the quality has gone up and prices down, but Moscow has a funny way of suprising you in that respects.

[QUOTE=Toto Rosebud1338]I'm back from my trip in Moscow.

I stayed at Cosmos hotel as already discussed. So, here are some facts about that trip.

A lot (10-20) of prostitutes are present in the lobby. The price is 6500 roubles for 1 hour. I did not try them, they were not my taste.

In this hotel is also a disco: Solaris. It's a strip club. Entrance fee is 1000 rouble. Then very pretty girls are dancing and propose Private. 3000 for 30', 6000 for 1 hour in separate room.

The private dance is very good. They are quite pretty and very hot!

Ask me if you want any other comments.[/QUOTE]Were the prostitutes ugly? Is that what you meant by taste?

Dear Maslitio,

Is it possible men have a travel to go to Moscow just for pussy fucking + cbj? 5000 rubles (sex) + 12000 rubles (airfare) + 28000 rubles (accommodation) = 45000 rubles = more than 1000 euros. If at least somebody is talking about facial cum bathing and double anal fucking.

[QUOTE=Maslitio]I lived in Moscow for about a decade 'til I moved to greener pastures in SA (In short, I am in it for the money).

I used to *ahem* severely dislike Chesterfields and Night Flight and the same goes for strip clubs.

I used to have my best luck over at the Hotel Kosmos. There were these two Ukrainian sisters (Natasha and Lena) who used to work one of the bars.

(OK, directions: when you enter the place, keep to the left. They have a crappy, overpriced bar to the immediate left of the check-in desks. There are several other bars, try not to get confused)

These girls would proposition you with "sex massage you vant the sex massage? " and I think that was the full extent of their English. They were something like RUB 5, 000 for about an hour or so (including the room). Essentially, what you get is two rounds with a mind-blowing CBJ in between.

I would *ahem* highly recommend it.

***disclaimer***

I have not been to Moscow in months, so I am not sure about the price / quality mix following the crisis.

I would imagine that the quality has gone up and prices down, but Moscow has a funny way of suprising you in that respects.[/QUOTE]

Most of them were quite old (compared to the one in Solaris: around 25). And most important I did not appreciate that face. But of course this is completely personnal. Other guys in the lobby seemed to appreciate them.

Coming to Moscow since many years, but still not speaking more than 100 words of Russian, I think that the opportunities haven t changed dramatically over the years.

For people, who are not used or don t want to experiment with unpredictable situations, you have to go to the wellknown places.

New is the GQ Bar, which offers a very nice surrounding, but a limited selection of working girls.

The HotDog/Boarhouse has upgraded their interiour, but of course forget the toilets. The service is lousy as in old soviet times. The entrance fee is now 300, for what? The girls told me, that they will not go under 11. 000, because they now have to pay 2. 000 to the "security" of the club. You can recognize that easily by watching the incoming girls. They will give some cash money to a girl, which is always located at the front corner of the bar.

The quality of the girls is better as in the past and some of the girls work both in HotDog and NF.

The RealMcCoy is a good hunting ground for people under 30-35. A lot of freebies, unfortuanately I m to old for that place.

Best place was and is NF on Tverskaya. Entrance is now 1. 100, which includes a drink. The place is safe, but be careful, when you walk outside. Last time a car was following our taxi, I have to give credit to the taxi driver, who informed me about this that and he dropped me safely in front of my Hotel. It was a dark Audi and I would be interested if someone experienced the same, because last time I was comng to NF I thought I saw the same car parking outside the club.

The place is full of good looking pros, who ask for € 500 in the beginning. The best prices I could achieve in recent times had been $ 250.

Happy hunting.