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There's plenty on craigs that will put out for free; yes, it shocks me too that HKers will do this on the 1st date! I write well but never send a picture, so that rules out more than 80%, but you may have better luck.
I see a lot of weekend fuckers; pudgy middle-aged white guys with short or pudgy or middle-aged HKers. With Filipinas & Indos, I'm like Ray Charles, I see none of those, but there must be a lot of those too.

There's the logistics chic on craig's again, can't believe how freaking ugly she is. It was hard enough for me to do her back when I did her, only thing that kept me going was the seduction part (she wanted to do a massage for 600 and I was gunning to cum in her for 1,000). She also smelt pretty bad, the Herbal Essence in her hair didn't disguise her funk.
Those of you that know of me, know that I go by smell ;)
I think the average Joe (if you are a smoker, forget it) gets a whiff of Shenzhen when you cross the border at Lowu. For me, it is like that all the time, I used to drive by smell in LA in the old, pre GPS days.

Second night in HK and I met the freebie this afternoon. I went down to the street to meet her. She was dressed in running shoes, jeans, and an old wool coat that smelled of mothballs. Overall very average looking although the body looked decent underneath - a 6-7 on a scale of 10.

But she was throwing off some bad vibrations and the mothball smell really turned me off. We went to a coffee shop and had a long conversation while I tried to make my mind up. There was no doubt she was willing to go up to the room, but I just was not feeling the attraction. After about an hour of sitting there over coffee I waved her off and put her back in a taxi to go home.

Sometimes when it isn't right, you just have to go with your gut. She was telling stories of fucking 3 guys at once and other stuff that sounded like she was into drugs. And I need a bit more flash in my women and she clearly was not showing any flash, plus her initial attitude was semi-hostile.

Her first words to me were that I was older than my picture. What was funny was that she estimated my age to be 15 years younger than I am actually am but she thought the picture made me look a lot younger. The picture was taken only a year or two ago. So I got accused of faking my age even though I had actually listed an even older age on AFF where I found her.

So I took a nice nap and now I will go out and see what other adventures might still be available tonight.

Okay, I had my first Indonesian girl early in my 3 week trip.

I saw her again a few days later and went sightseeing with her and her friend and then she spent the night again.

Said she was getting a real nanny job in February.

So, every time I would say something like how wonderful she was, she'd say "we're friends" or something similar.

I knew I was falling for her. So when I saw her in Laguna a few more times she would be with friends and invariably I would be with another woman or on the prowl. She knew I was a butterfly.

I kept saying we would see each other again before I left but I didn't want to because I knew I would fall for her.

So she's still in my Facebook list but she's not answered my e-mails lately.

I just didn't understand how to navigate a situation like that. If she's a working girl, why get jealous or mad at me for being a butterfly?

I just feel like I somehow hurt her feelings without meaning to. And, as I told her, I didn't want to see her again because I knew I would fall for her.

She is wonderful and I'd at least like to be friends with her if nothing else.

How do you fall for these women but not break their hearts or yours in the process? There have been a handful I could see marrying but I'm realistic and not ready for that yet.

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I knew I was falling for her. So when I saw her in Laguna a few more times she would be with friends and invariably I would be with another woman or on the prowl. She knew I was a butterfly.

I kept saying we would see each other again before I left but I didn't want to because I knew I would fall for her.
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I know nothing about Indonesian girls but lots about Thai girls. Like you, I like to have longer term friendships with the girls. I'd say that your mistake was not seeing her again after you told her you would. If you are going to be a butterfly in her face that is fine. But if that is the case then you need to take her again at some point after you have been IDed as a butterfly. Essentially you are not just a butterfly but a liar/joker. You led her to believe you'd spend more time with her and then didn't. There is a girl that I see in Bangkok. She calls me "Butterfly Man". She knows I butterfly but she also knows that from time to time I'll spend a night or two with her.

Was in HK Sunday to Wednesday this week.

Sunday: Arrived at about 7 and went down to meet an ISG'er in Wan Chai. Unfortunately meet up didnt happen because he got waylaid by a busty indonesian girl in the Ming Court hotel. While I was waiting for him I decided to kill time in Laguana. Was packed and it was 'shift' change in that the domestic helpers were heading home and the working girls were coming in. I got lucky and met a filipina who said she was on hoilday visiting a friend. Anyway we talked for a while and her story seemed genuine. Took her to Escape and Neptune where she ordered beer not ladydrinks which also added credibilty to her story. Having a great time so took her to show her LKF. Went to cavern to listen to bands and then poppoed the question- would you like to come back to my hotel? Yes. Off we go. Next two hours were incredible. Nice face, tight body and a great time. at 2.30 she gets up and says she needs to go back to her friends house and off she goes. No money asked for or exchanged, lots of smiles, hugs and kisses. No names as not fair to her.

Still dont feel sleepy so head out again. Go to Neptune where meet a sweet little Filipina who had just arrived in HK. Bought her a drink,quick visit to Escape whereshe had never been. Back to hotel for a quick session and sleep before work. Not a freebie but very innocent and quite fun. Name is May and she can be found in Filipina corner in Neptune.

Monday: Had work commitments and went out late. Still failed to catch up with ISG'er but will do next visit. Called May and we met up again for another session.

Tuesday: Late out again because of work. Wanted a change so took a very petite Indonesian from Escape. Face so so but hot body. In end was v tired and just had a BBJCIM and sent her on her way.

Observations: Contrary to some reports I thought quaility and quantity of girls was very good. Laguana on Sunday evening was especially good and a lot of fun. Bars were quite quiet Sunday and Monday but busy Tuesday as Toy fair was in full swing. Prices - I paid for Monday LT was 1000.

Was a fun visit and already looking forward to my next one.

CT

[QUOTE=Thewayoflaotzu]Okay, I had my first Indonesian girl early in my 3 week trip.

I saw her again a few days later and went sightseeing with her and her friend and then she spent the night again.

Said she was getting a real nanny job in February.

So, every time I would say something like how wonderful she was, she'd say "we're friends" or something similar.

I knew I was falling for her. So when I saw her in Laguna a few more times she would be with friends and invariably I would be with another woman or on the prowl. She knew I was a butterfly.

I kept saying we would see each other again before I left but I didn't want to because I knew I would fall for her.

So she's still in my Facebook list but she's not answered my e-mails lately.

I just didn't understand how to navigate a situation like that. If she's a working girl, why get jealous or mad at me for being a butterfly?

I just feel like I somehow hurt her feelings without meaning to. And, as I told her, I didn't want to see her again because I knew I would fall for her.

She is wonderful and I'd at least like to be friends with her if nothing else.

How do you fall for these women but not break their hearts or yours in the process? There have been a handful I could see marrying but I'm realistic and not ready for that yet.[/QUOTE]

Obviously you know your way around.

Slap yourself in the face and stop thinking like a teenager who just popped his cherry.

Why should you be worried about what a gal thinks that works as a pro in Wanchai? It's not as if she has not been with other guys while you are not around. And realistically she may just miss your....wallet.

Do you really want to marry a hooker? What do they say abour taking the girl out of the bar or like the Chinese like to say about fussy mongers, "You are not here looking for a wife".

Unless of course she looks like Julia Roberts, but then again "Pretty Woman" was just a movie.

[QUOTE=Bob Builder]Obviously you know your way around.

Slap yourself in the face and stop thinking like a teenager who just popped his cherry.

Why should you be worried about what a gal thinks that works as a pro in Wanchai? It's not as if she has not been with other guys while you are not around. And realistically she may just miss your....wallet.
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Yeah, but things are different in Wanchai. It's not like marrying a hooker here. There are nice Filipino girls who don't have customers every night that would make great wives.

And, as I said, we spent time together as well which blurred the line. I think it would be easier if I did ST. The LT blurs the line especially if you hang out with the girl during the day or go to dinner or breakfast with her.

And every girl is different. The Vietnamese in Wanchai act like pros, for example.

Wanchai is not America so the idea of "marrying a hooker" doesn't sound as ridiculous there as it would -- rightly -- here.

My comfort zone tends to go to the LT GFE ones so I run the risk of walking that line constantly, I guess. But that is why I love Wanchai.

[QUOTE=Thewayoflaotzu]Yeah, but things are different in Wanchai. It's not like marrying a hooker here. There are nice Filipino girls who don't have customers every night that would make great wives.

And, as I said, we spent time together as well which blurred the line. I think it would be easier if I did ST. The LT blurs the line especially if you hang out with the girl during the day or go to dinner or breakfast with her.

And every girl is different. The Vietnamese in Wanchai act like pros, for example.

Wanchai is not America so the idea of "marrying a hooker" doesn't sound as ridiculous there as it would -- rightly -- here.

My comfort zone tends to go to the LT GFE ones so I run the risk of walking that line constantly, I guess. But that is why I love Wanchai.[/QUOTE]

I know guys who have married hookers. Just with normal women, some work out, some don't. At least the sex should be great anyway. As long as you can put up with all the wrong number phone calls to her mobile and looks from guys who pass her in the street and then smile as they remember their last GFE with her.

I used to hang out with some ABCs in Lan Kwai Fong who spent years there posing and mostly striking out with the ladies until they discovered p4p in places like Macau nightclubs when someone had a stag party. Then they would come out with lines like "She would make a great girlfriend if she was not a WG" or "I won't do this anymore when I get a girlfriend".(provided your girlfriend sucks dick well that is, LOL).

[QUOTE=Thor93]
For my first night I decided to splurge. I had lined up a HK local girl on AFF, but she wanted 2,000 HK.........
I have a true freebie lined up for tonight. I will see how that one goes and then decide who gets the last night in HK.[/QUOTE]

Thor93,

thanks for your report.

What is AFF? Did I miss something?

whomer

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What is AFF? Did I miss something?[/QUOTE]

Asian Friend Finder

[QUOTE=Thewayoflaotzu]I just didn't understand how to navigate a situation like that. If she's a working girl, why get jealous or mad at me for being a butterfly?

I just feel like I somehow hurt her feelings without meaning to. And, as I told her, I didn't want to see her again because I knew I would fall for her.

...

How do you fall for these women but not break their hearts or yours in the process? There have been a handful I could see marrying but I'm realistic and not ready for that yet.[/QUOTE]

My two Mao's worth ...

The Indonesians are an interesting bunch. They can be very sweet and GFE. But they are also there to maximize their gain on Sundays, unless they have somebody that they have latched on to.

Honestly, she probably knew you were here for a limited time (3 weeks I recall) and hence would not get attached. Hence, you were a potential pocketbook, even if you didn't pay.

Additionally, they have the 'Asian Pout' down to a key, and they use it to get what they are looking for, which, I think in many cases is either a) enough money to build their house back in Indonesia, or b) somebody to take them away from it all under what seems to be pretty much any circumstances.

Think you let the big head be controlled by the little head. YMMV.

Basah

[QUOTE=Kurre]She had her own place and had to work only 6 hrs a day - at least that is what she told me. I got the picture she was already moving on to a new place. One day she arranged free by agreeing to work on her day off. Must have pretty tolerant employer, too.[/QUOTE]

I have heard this before too. Some employers have small places and nowhere for their helpers to sleep, so they rent a separate small apartment (usually in a real dump of a building) for their helpers. Technically this is illegal. But the advantage for them (and us) is that they have evenings free, the employers would have no idea what the girls would do after they are sent "back home" for the evening.

[quote=lexingtonsteel]sorry for my question

i read many many and many experieces of a lot of people in hk.

what about std?

people never speak of std, some of reader and some of guy who stay with girl

kept some time std in hk?

or hk is safest place in the world where never people and girls keep std?

i wish you reply to me.

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gonorrhea and chlamydia are both common in hk as they are everywhere in the world. they are easily avoidable with proper condom use and if you should happen to get the burning sensation while peeing, discharge from urethra and painful sensation when rubbing up against your undies, go to any hk doctor, be honest about where you got it, and you can get a shot (in the butt) and a course of antibiotics which will take care of the problem within 5 days.

aids, herpes and syphilis are rarer. once again condom use is key.

there should be no problem with daty, it's almost impossible to contract an std in this fashion.

[quote=thor93]since no one answered my first post i will answer it myself in the spirit of raising the knowledge level of all fellow mongerers.
this hotel only opened 3 months ago and is in one of tallest skyscrapers in kowloon. the lobby is actually on the 10th floor with rooms going up to the 24th. overall the room is really nice with all of the modern amentities - large plasma tv, walk in shower, great views of the harbor. as far as i can tell it is girl friendly although the elevators do require a key to get up to the rooms.

for my first night i decided to splurge. i had lined up a hk local girl on aff, but she wanted 2,000 hk. i talked her down to 1,800 hk and was debating whether to go ahead and overpay or not. her credentials sounded good, educated, good english, nice pictures, had a good day time job, and sounded on the phone like she was a little nymphomaniac. what put me over was she travels to the us and would be available to me there everyonce in a while.

she came over around 10. i had to go down in the lobby to collect her. she was dressed very high class and was the girl in all of the pictures she had sent. i would rate her a 7-8 on a 10 scale.

once in the room she took a shower and came out naked and the games began. i think she is a closet nymphomaniac. this girl loves to suck and fuck. we got to talking and she is playing a string of western guys, if you believe her. all i can say is that there are some fools out there.

we went for two great sessions last night that included lots of daty, bbbj, all culminating in two multiple position fucks. i am worried that i am now a bit sore myself. lots of friction applied last night - more than my poor dick has seen in a while.

my 1,800 hk got her for the full night. she is still in the bed sleeping until it is time for her to go to work at 9. she woke me up early this morning with a nice blow job that got me off, but she went right back to sleep.

so all in all while i know i overpaid a bit, i had the advantage of her coming to me, and not having the added expenses of drinking in wanchai or the cab fares going back and forth. and the big bonus might be later when she travels to the us. this is a friendship i intend to cultivate. she has already promised deep discounts for future trysts.

i have a true freebie lined up for tonight. i will see how that one goes and then decide who gets the last night in hk.[/quote]

you didn't overpay, you got lucky! most local girls cannot be had for st fuck for any price! 1800 is not bad at all considering some of the wan chai bitches command that much and end up being clock watchers or engage in other forms of bitchery.

question for you and other aff/cl users. do you post a photo on your profile? i am not really comfortable sending my photo out to women but it does cost me some opportunities. if you have a wife or girlfriend, aren't you afraid that sending/posting a photo will come back to haunt you someday?

[QUOTE=Lustforthrust]There's plenty on craigs that will put out for free; yes, it shocks me too that HKers will do this on the 1st date! I write well but never send a picture, so that rules out more than 80%, but you may have better luck.
I see a lot of weekend fuckers; pudgy middle-aged white guys with short or pudgy or middle-aged HKers. With Filipinas & Indos, I'm like Ray Charles, I see none of those, but there must be a lot of those too.

There's the logistics chic on craig's again, can't believe how freaking ugly she is. It was hard enough for me to do her back when I did her, only thing that kept me going was the seduction part (she wanted to do a massage for 600 and I was gunning to cum in her for 1,000). She also smelt pretty bad, the Herbal Essence in her hair didn't disguise her funk.
Those of you that know of me, know that I go by smell ;)
I think the average Joe (if you are a smoker, forget it) gets a whiff of Shenzhen when you cross the border at Lowu. For me, it is like that all the time, I used to drive by smell in LA in the old, pre GPS days.[/QUOTE]

At least you got to do her, I paid her 1000 for a terrible "massage" and could get no further. She sent me the exact same picture you posted, if a girl sends you a picture that is (supposed to be) sexy, wouldn't you get the impression that more is available? I am so fucking angry and feel ripped off... as if anyone should pay 1000 for a massage (only) when you can get a great one for 300. I ordered her out even though I hadn't finished my 2 hours, once it became clear that nothing further was going to happen I told her to get the fuck out. I also considered not paying her but I didn't want to be that much of an asshole so I tossed her the thousand and told her "there, you got your money, congratulations you ripped me off, get teh fuck out of here and never contact me again." Plus she did something strange to my neck and now I have a terrible headache.

She goes by "Cherry" among possibly other names. If anyone ever communicates with the girl in Lustforthrust's picture, BEWARE, she is a scammer who thinks she is really a legit masseuse... I guess the best scammers are those who don't even know they are scammers. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM HER!