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[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2775565]Many ladies try to bail on LT by 1 or 2 am. [/QUOTE]Can you name the bars these ladies work at? Maybe it has a lot to do with the guy who takes them?
In over 7 years I have NEVER had a girl try to leave a LT session at 1 or 2 am and this includes Kinnaree girls that I take LT when the bar closes at 5 pm. I have had a Sensations gogo girl who I took at 8 pm ask me at 2 am while we were at Hollywood if I was doing ST or LT. Imagine if I would have said ST!
[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2775565]Many ladies try to bail on LT by 1 or 2 am. They try to get their LT money at that time, because the karaoke bars open then, and they want to hit their favorite bar with cash in their pocket.[/QUOTE]I've never had any LT negotiated lady (bar girl nor freelancer) bail on me at 1 or 2 am. Payment comes afterwards, in the morning, when I've been in Thailand. One shouldnt even be doing an LT with a WG unless they already know and can trust the woman from previous STs.
LTs are a big risk with WGs you havent seen before for a ST. They might start eating all the stuff in your fridge, cooking up some food for themselves, staring on their phone and ignore you all night, mess with the thermostat, complain about the thermostat, use up all the bath towels in your bathroom, wet up the entire bathroom floor in your bathroom, claim theyre too tired for the morning session, some want to sleep all day past 2pm when you couldve been at the gym, had breakfast, or called up another girl.
For me, the woman has to be proven with ST before I even consider LT.
[QUOTE=Xiggo;2775489]Can someone tell me more about LK Metro?
And before someone says, "use the search function".
1. Go try it yourself. The search function is the worst.
[/QUOTE]UTFSE.
Why is it that some people complain about a tool when it's simply a case of not reading the instruction manual about how to use said tool. It's like someone complaining about a Porsche (you did say you were German) not going faster than 30 MPH when they haven't read the manual of how to release the emergency brake. I did try it myself and got 300 results in 12 pages in less than a second. Granted, the last result was in May 2020, but PLENTY of more recent results in between that and the 1st result, your post, and EVERY post has the keywords, LK Metro, highlighted. Pretty easy to parse even if your VPN doesn't work well and you're in a no-porn country (been there, done that).
In the spirit of the ole' cliche of "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for the rest of his life", the [B]SOLUTION[/B] is easy: READ the tutorial here, in the ROD's (simply click on the below link):
[b]HOW TO SEARCH TUTORIAL[/B]
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2009-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=2762933&viewfull=1#post2762933[/URL]
And having lived behind a country's no-porn firewall, you might try the [B]Searching, at your leisure[/B] trick. A lot more clutter, but any browser or text editor will have a "find in page" tool. Firefox found 58 results in the 1st 1000 posts, from yours back to October 1, 2022.
Yes, the work requirement is on you, and maybe FR posters like [B]Sir Lancelot, Stinky Squid, Lanthano[/B] and others will regurgitate their FR's, but it's a start while you wait.
Happy New Year. Eat well.
[QUOTE=Rocko20;2775700]I've never had any LT negotiated lady (bar girl nor freelancer) bail on me at 1 or 2 am. Payment comes afterwards, in the morning, when I've been in Thailand. One shouldnt even be doing an LT with a WG unless they already know and can trust the woman from previous STs.
LTs are a big risk with WGs you havent seen before for a ST. They might start eating all the stuff in your fridge, cooking up some food for themselves, staring on their phone and ignore you all night, mess with the thermostat, complain about the thermostat, use up all the bath towels in your bathroom, wet up the entire bathroom floor in your bathroom, claim theyre too tired for the morning session, some want to sleep all day past 2pm when you couldve been at the gym, had breakfast, or called up another girl.
For me, the woman has to be proven with ST before I even consider LT.[/QUOTE]Myself, afternoon [I]delights[/I] are ST; nights are, by definition, for LT, with the rare exception when she insists and I DO want to have her [I]experience[/I] regardless. If she's worth pulling at night, then she's worth more than a couple of hours of [I]entertainment[/I]. I know my limitations (that 2nd shot does take some time to [I]chamber[/I]), and I'm too old to go out early morning and look for a [I]double header[/I]. Maybe I'm an optimist and have faith, [B]BUT[/B] I hedge the bet with a [B]CLEAR[/B] time of departure [B]AND[/B] pay [B]AFTER BEFORE[/B] RTB with her.
As to all the other [I]downsides[/I] you mention: visitors are welcome to what's in the fridge, I just might join them. If she starts cooking (bonus points), I just ask "for two please". First phone use gets a yellow card, 2nd gets a RED, with a "since you're so busy, here's your ST, goodbye" (I pay for undivided attention, I'm selfish that way). Towels, and bathroom floors dry. Besides, if I've DATY'd, what's the harm of sharing a [U]towel[/U]? (DECADES of travel, I carry a "go to hell" hand towel, mainly to use when out hiking in a hot and humid climate, wrapped around my neck, but good for some of those places that don't have towels). For the too tired in morning, yes, I do pay LT, but remark on the missing menu item and mark her as a no repeat. Maybe things have changed, but repeat business used to be desired. Girls do share notes, and if you are around for any length of time, you will be known, as I've said, either as a player or a mark. It's not that I'm so much in control, I just don't get walked on either, and if she does [I]walk[/I], it's a ST salary.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2775514]Your probing and, for the fun of it perhaps, trying to find a way to solve that "lost key" problem is a great example of Thai girls' talent for conjuring up what I refer to as a "Steel Trap Plot Point", worthy of the best Hitchcock scenarios. Although I think it is usually a lost or only one security key card that is either too expensive to duplicate or the landlord only allows one per room, not just an ordinary key that can be duplicated for 30 baht.
There is no solution to her problem that wouldn't benefit her and penalize you if you were to have paid up the full agreed upon LT amount, right? LOL. You offer a logical solution. Nope, won't work because whatever. So you offer a solution to that new problem. Nope, won't work because whatever. And on it goes. There is no escape, no way out. A Steel Trap plot point. Brilliant.
Thai girls are geniuses at writing that stuff. Covid test results, stock, kept or borrowed photos of those little kits with the two bands, etc have added new narrative twists and turns to the "lost key" plot points for their scenarios.
And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed. She can not be responsible for you paying a full LT amount but only getting a ST. That is a critical element in Thai culture. It is never their fault. That's why they can't just tell the truth.
Yes, the only way to cut through that steel trap is to do what you did; pay what is fair and accept the fact that now YOU will be blamed for the shocking final act of this Hitchcock movie. Pass the popcorn, please. LOL.[/QUOTE]Great point, maybe they are missing a career in TV show writing. Painted into a corner, the heroine manages to escape unscathed, with the villain left empty handed, "curses, foiled again".
So that's why I always [B]TRY[/B] try to remember my 3 rules: clear menu, clear departure time, clear price with a pay AFTER tag. After being lulled into a sense of complacency by so many successful pulls, I will forget some, even all, and probably get burned. But education, and re-education, is expensive, and it's only the loss of 1 night.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2775671]Can you name the bars these ladies work at? Maybe it has a lot to do with the guy who takes them?
In over 7 years I have NEVER had a girl try to leave a LT session at 1 or 2 am and this includes Kinnaree girls that I take LT when the bar closes at 5 pm. I have had a Sensations gogo girl who I took at 8 pm ask me at 2 am while we were at Hollywood if I was doing ST or LT. Imagine if I would have said ST![/QUOTE]Below your posts are many other posts about ladies doing the Key Trick to squirm out of a LT at 1 am. You are very lucky that you haven't run into this scam.
If you are hit with the Key Trick, just explain that you will pay the lady after she returns from letting her roommate into their shared room.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2775514]And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed. She can not be responsible for you paying a full LT amount but only getting a ST. That is a critical element in Thai culture. It is never their fault. That's why they can't just tell the truth.[/QUOTE]I'll admit that I'm not a LT kind of punter, my only overnight visitors since 2020 have been girlfriends. I usually want P4P girls to shower and leave about 3 minutes after I go soft.
I ask without experience, if the LT girl wants to leave for unavoidable BS reasons, why not just say "Sure, you can come back in an hour and I'll pay you in the morning." Of course they won't want to come back, but it would be a good reason to give them a greatly reduced ST rate. You probably don't want them after they pull a stunt like that.
On a side note, many of my late night ST girls want to stay all night long. Perhaps it is my nice hotel room and buffet breakfast compared to whatever shithole they normally stay. Is that a common experience with other punters or is it because of my good looks and charm?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2775514]And the beauty of it is none of those Steel Trap Plot Points are the girl's fault. She can not be blamed.[/QUOTE]A buddy that has been going to Thailand since the 60's and has lived there permanently since the 80's told me that he was in a car accident with a lady in a Mercedes. It was obvious that it was her fault. But she explained to the policeman that it was clearly my buddy's fault because if he had not been in Thailand then the accident would not have happened.
Girls wanting to leave early. Most likely scenario is they never wanted to be with you from the get go. Money money money.
Wake up guys. We are not that Desireable. Haha.
Not Rocket Science.
Every buddy's favorite topic pricing.
Name might be wrong JJ bar in Buakhao. Filipino cover band, very decent.
Not a Sex pick up place. More just drinking with a live band.
Kris Travels Livestream. Kris ask average looking staff how much for Dhortime? She say 4,000. Chat went Nuts, laughing hooting and hollering. No way in San Jose,. 1,500 more appropriate. 2,000 for her mates, one was quite attractive.
Let's give prop s to Mr E. They are asking but are they getting 4,000. I'm thinking no way in San colasitos.
[QUOTE=Pulse0101;2775314]I'd like to help you guys understand the 'Indian' guys better.
At mods. Please do move this post to a more relevant section if you think irrelevant.
So, we all know the behavior by many of the Indian guys that make us all cringe. There are three things that come together to make the typical Indian dude you see do what he does.
1) Exposure: None of these guys have been exposed to the niceties of life as we possibly have. This includes proper social behavior, etiquette, courtesy, being chivalrous, etc. They just don't know what is expected of them and so do what they would do normally at home. Most of these guys are from the lower middle economic class and the only way they will learn is by experience. I have seen similar (of varying degrees) behavior with the Chinese, Mexicans, Africans, or even the Balkans.
2) Experience: This is likely the first trip overseas for the bulk of these guys. For some, possibly their first flight! They don't understand different cuisines, find it hard to adapt quickly, and resort to falling back on what they know. Which is the reason why you'll find them eating Indian food, sticking to their groups, following the beaten path set either by their one friend who has visited Thailand earlier, or one of the many Indian YouTubers who break things down for them. They just don't have the confidence because of their lack of experience.
3) Economy: Indians have had it tough for many decades before the economic boom that started in 1991. Many of these folks have just about saved enough money for this Thailand trip and need to get the best bang for their buck. They would rather have some money left at the end of this trip for shopping / girls than blow their budget on Day 2! They are budget travelers, which is the reason why they would be sharing rooms, food, etc.
The biggest reason for their bad behavior with the girls is that they haven't interacted with many women romantically. The bar culture prevalent across the world hasn't picked up in India (yet). There are exceptions but in principle, their romantic escapades have been limited to crushes in school / college and maybe an office romance (though I suspect that the bulk of the visitors from India are from a business background).
Now, none of these are excuses for them and this post isn't intended to be that. I am Indian myself and cringe seeing Indian tourists anywhere in the world! But I also understand and appreciate that I have been lucky over the years getting opportunities to have lived overseas, and travel / monger in over 50 countries. I have had my share of learning but I haven't faced discrimination anywhere in the world. Scratch that. There were a couple Nana Gogos that I wasn't let into. LOL.
My recommendation to you is to ignore the buggers, let them learn from their own mistakes and become better versions of what they were. While we get back to the more important topic of girls in Pattaya / Thailand.
Cheers / Pulse.[/QUOTE]I think you make a lot of valid points here. It's my second visit to Pattaya in 6 months and I see a fair few changes. I am a 50 year old British Asian (not Indian) but as we all seem to be lumped together unfortunately, but I also know enough to appreciate there are Indians and then there are INDIANS. The ones who I see, cringe, and generally avoid. The hand holding, sandal wearing, loud, moustachioed, pack animals with the social graces and manners of a water buffalo.
However saying that, I do have some sympathy for them, as I don't think there is any nastiness in them and it's just general ignorance on their part and on the flip side of the coin, some better contact and socialisation and less negativity by the locals and other visitors towards them will make a difference. I think given time this will happen organically.
I always stay in the LK Metro area (generally Areca Lodge), and there seem to be an increasingly clear demarcation of territory now in Pattaya. At the end of Walking Street, there is a bit of an Indian 'ghetto' with lots of indian clubs, restaurants, with this area more westerners / western Asians, with the twain never to meet.
During my time in the Bangkok bar hopping scene, I certainly did not experience any negativity from the girls, bar owners etc. In some instances 'Indian's' were commented upon in a positive way that they were increasingly rich and free spending. In one particular bar in Soi Nana, I saw an Indian chap throwing stacks of money onto the stage (twat). I find however, if you dress smart casually, greet the door men and the girls with a confident smile and hands pressed together with a greeting in Thai, it goes a long way. Its not difficult really. Just treat the girls with respect. There has been times in bars where the girls have refused me at the first instance, and I just said thank you and walked away with a smile, and next time I visited, I managed to get them. Again after just a smile and friendly chat. A lot can be achieved when you park your insecurities and egos at the door and don't take things personally.
I had absolutely no issue in getting girls from Thai Friendly or in the bars in Bangkok (thermae was a bit hit and miss, but there seems to be a preference there for the east asians), but again I think the girls are starting to know the difference and can distinguish better in general with greater exposure.
Thai Friendly in Pattaya this time seemed a lot more difficult with the normal Isan girls, but I did better with higher end, better educated, well spoken and travelled type of women (a university student or 2 and a varied 27- 32 year old mix), although I did pay a bit of a premium of around 2. 5 - 5 k for ST. I know cheaper can be had, but this is a reflection of the quality.
But again, considering what was up on offer in places like honey 2 etc. When the 3700 k 'models', I would say it was pretty good value in comparison. As for the girls in the bars in Pattaya, the quality seems far less than 6 months ago, a lot more older women and again not particularly attractive.
Anyway, just 2 more days left here, but will be spending that bumming my 26 year laotian FWB, who has developed a penchant for it. But I think fresher hunting grounds next time, seeking new adventure as its getting a bit stale. Perhaps Jakarta again when the new cohabitation laws fail.
Enjoy Pattaya!
Whatever happened to Lolita's? Is there an equivalant establishment now?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2775731]I'll admit that I'm not a LT kind of punter, my only overnight visitors since 2020 have been girlfriends. I usually want P4P girls to shower and leave about 3 minutes after I go soft.
I ask without experience, if the LT girl wants to leave for unavoidable BS reasons, why not just say "Sure, you can come back in an hour and I'll pay you in the morning." Of course they won't want to come back, but it would be a good reason to give them a greatly reduced ST rate. You probably don't want them after they pull a stunt like that.
On a side note, many of my late night ST girls want to stay all night long. Perhaps it is my nice hotel room and buffet breakfast compared to whatever shithole they normally stay. Is that a common experience with other punters or is it because of my good looks and charm?[/QUOTE]For me, the instant I hear a LT-agreed upon girl utter one of the usual lost key, one key, roommate at the bar is drunk, sick, crazy and needs her to take her home, the moon crashed into her apartment blah blah blah bits, I am already reaching for the doorknob to help her on her way. No "Come back later if you want" or "I'll pay you when you return" stuff for me. I'm not keeping one ear open all night for the call even on the 1 in 1,000 chance she will do it. Bye.
It doesn't happen that often. But when it does I cut the agreed upon LT fee in half and hand it to her or place it on the table next to her purse without discussion. Maybe I will make it 60% of what we agreed on for LT to include the taxi fare I probably would have given her anyway if the session was sweet. I don't recall a girl ever confronting me about it, sticking her hand out for the rest of the LT fee in such a case.
A girl converting a LT agreement into a ST is of very little concern to me. In fact, the LT part is the least important element in my negotiation. I just throw it in there to give the girl something to reject and give her a "win" on a negotiation point I don't care all that much about. After Shaved or Closely Trimmed Pussy, DFK, BBBJ and BBFS+CIP, LT rates a distant 5th place in importance to me.
On the pattern of so many of your late night ST girls choosing to stay overnight, in addition to your nice hotel room, buffet breakfast, good looks and charm, which I am sure are plenty of reasons for it already, it might also have something to do with where you are pulling them from and how late.
Is it a FL from the street or a club at 1 am?
I rarely have a ST girl choose to stay overnight, but I also rarely pull girls off the street or out of a club after 10 pm. I have certainly had many of those 10 pm FLs say "up to you" upfront on the issue of ST vs LT.
But most of my sessions are 1) with online FLs where the ST vs LT part has already been set, usually LT, and aren't going to be late anyway or 2) go-go girls I have pulled at or before 10 pm. On the latter, very few go-go girls who go to my apartment for ST at 10 pm are going to choose to stay to sleep in when their bar closes at 2 am or 3 am. It has happened. But very rarely.
My apartment is nice and comfy, but not in a 4-Star Hotel, the only on site buffet breakfast I can offer is a fried egg and a donut and apparently my looks and charm are nowhere near impressive enough to get many go-go ST girls to shrug off going back to their bar at 11:45 pm and continuing to cuddle with me all night instead for no extra dough. LOL.
[QUOTE=Gargamon;2775767]Whatever happened to Lolita's? Is there an equivalant establishment now?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Lolita's on Soi Chaiyapoon is gone.
If you want equivalent service, just go to any closed bar. Plenty on Soi Lenghee and Chaiyapoon.
[QUOTE=TomThumbbs;2775741]Girls wanting to leave early. Most likely scenario is they never wanted to be with you from the get go. Money money money.
Wake up guys. We are not that Desireable. Haha.
Not Rocket Science.[/QUOTE]You forget the flip side, the ladies who come to my condo who don't want to leave. Particularly irksome if I have another lady coming soon.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2775838]For me, the instant I hear a LT-agreed upon girl utter one of the usual lost key, one key, roommate at the bar is drunk, sick, crazy and needs her to take her home, the moon crashed into her apartment blah blah blah bits, I am already reaching for the doorknob to help her on her way. No "Come back later if you want" or "I'll pay you when you return" stuff for me. I'm not keeping one ear open all night for the call even on the 1 in 1,000 chance she will do it. Bye.
It doesn't happen that often. But when it does I cut the agreed upon LT fee in half and hand it to her or place it on the table next to her purse without discussion. Maybe I will make it 60% of what we agreed on for LT to include the taxi fare I probably would have given her anyway if the session was sweet. I don't recall a girl ever confronting me about it, sticking her hand out for the rest of the LT fee in such a case.
A girl converting a LT agreement into a ST is of very little concern to me. In fact, the LT part is the least important element in my negotiation. I just throw it in there to give the girl something to reject and give her a "win" on a negotiation point I don't care all that much about. After Shaved or Closely Trimmed Pussy, DFK, BBBJ and BBFS+CIP, LT rates a distant 5th place in importance to me.
On the pattern of so many of your late night ST girls choosing to stay overnight, in addition to your nice hotel room, buffet breakfast, good looks and charm, which I am sure are plenty of reasons for it already, it might also have something to do with where you are pulling them from and how late.
Is it a FL from the street or a club at 1 am?
I rarely have a ST girl choose to stay overnight, but I also rarely pull girls off the street or out of a club after 10 pm. I have certainly had many of those 10 pm FLs say "up to you" upfront on the issue of ST vs LT.
But most of my sessions are 1) with online FLs where the ST vs LT part has already been set, usually LT, and aren't going to be late anyway or 2) go-go girls I have pulled at or before 10 pm. On the latter, very few go-go girls who go to my apartment for ST at 10 pm are going to choose to stay to sleep in when their bar closes at 2 am or 3 am. It has happened. But very rarely.
My apartment is nice and comfy, but not in a 4-Star Hotel, the only on site buffet breakfast I can offer is a fried egg and a donut and apparently my looks and charm are nowhere near impressive enough to get many go-go ST girls to shrug off going back to their bar at 11:45 pm and continuing to cuddle with me all night instead for no extra dough. LOL.[/QUOTE]I mostly ST off TF and found that around half of them tend to want to linger around well past the ST time. There's nothing special about me other than I am very chill, laid back and respectful. So I think they see someone they'the like to get into an LT or permanent ST arrangement. Funny thing is, I've never done LT and I've only repeated twice hehe.