American Politics

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2575080]First of all, no one says election fraud can't happen. Rare and isolated voting fraud incidents have been occurring in this country probably since it was put on the map. What has never happened is a massive voting fraud that would affect the outcome.

That has never happened in major elections. Not once.

Now, what you call an "election fraud" in NYC might be a result of a mistake, structural flaw, incompetence, clusterfuck, but fraud it isn't. As Chris Hayes says: "Any systematic election irregularitieswhether incompetence or fraudwill out itself. You cannot pull it off without getting caught. ".[/QUOTE]When a Republican makes the claim that there are mistakes and more votes than voters then the democrats stall and delay and claim it is impossible. They make the Republicans get court orders that take months and protests from all democrats. When a democrat claims a mistake or more votes than voters it is corrected the next day. Obviously you can pull it off if you can delay it until after they have called the election.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2574970]This was "election fraud"? Really.

There was a person behind this that's known to be working for a particular candidate?

Or was this just an error that was caught and fixed.

Fraud or RepubliKKKAN BS?[/QUOTE]The point is that when several states had more votes than voters and they were questioned on it the democrats said that what happened in NYC was impossible to happen. They swore that mistakes like this were impossible so no investigation was needed.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2575080]First of all, no one says election fraud can't happen.[/QUOTE]Yes, you Democratic douches are saying exactly that.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2575080]Rare and isolated voting fraud incidents have been occurring in this country probably since it was put on the map.[/QUOTE]Ha! LBJ was elected senator in 1948 where there was admitted fraud. So you are telling me LBJ rigged only one election?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2575080]What has never happened is a massive voting fraud that would affect the outcome.
[/QUOTE]LOL. 43,000 votes decided this election. Wisconsin – 20,608 Arizona – 10,357 Georgia -- 11,799.

And now you have a voting machine off by 135,000 votes.

And obviously you are not following what is happening in Georgia and Arizona. It looks to me like Arizona is going to rule that Trump won. There are 250,000 votes in dispute there. Georgia already has found 20,000 votes that should not have been counted as there was no chain of custody, and that is just the tip of the iceberg there. I put the odds of fraud happening in Georgia at 99%. I would be shocked if after an audit Georgia is not ruled to have gone for Trump. In Georgia, the presidential election cannot be changed but the senatorial elections can be.

If those two states go Trump, there is going to be enormous pressure on Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. The headline in the Michigan report was the Republican senate said all was well there, however the lead senator said he would open up another audit if there was new evidence of wrongdoing in other states. Michigan admitted to issues with chain of custody and ballot boxes being used that were not supposed to be used, so there is no question the potential for fraud was there.

[QUOTE=Canada;2574882]Obviously you don't care that the China pandemic killed millions of people worldwide. It doesn't matter if it leaked out on purpose or by accident in the Wuhan lab. What matters is that they investigate to determine what caused it and how it was created to prevent it from happening again. It is not important to you to save lives in the future but only important to you that Trump doesn't get credit for saving lives in the future.[/QUOTE]Nope I just don't like people like yourself who make things up and then want to start major international incidents based on an internet theory.

I have always been open to the possibility that it escaped from the lab. Or it may just have finally found a was to transmit across species naturally. There is no evidence either way.

The concept that China would deliberately leak it on their own population is without doubt incomprehensible.

The likelihood it has been engineered is low given that it is not closely related to an existing virus.

Trump did everything he could to downplay and obstruct the rational fight against the virus. He will never receive credit for anything else.

Yes it would be useful to know the source of the virus. It probably won't help because people such as yourself will never support scientific evaluations so the chance of getting an outcome that has a long term benefit is low.

Genetic manipulation is already widely understood and practiced. Will we try and ban it? Are we going to unknow it? What do you actually think you can do about China or Russia or any other bad actor? The US could not win in Afghanistan or Korea or Vietnam. If you tried the sanctions "we are not going to buy your stuff approach" you would hurt yourselves more. In 10 years Chia will be the worlds largest economy. In 50 years you will be Kowtowing to them as they will be double your size. Trump was a complete failure at reigning them in. Republicans are too worried about guns and cancel culture to actually have real policies. So with all your huffing and puffing what will be done? Nothing but more grievance culture from the party of Trump because that is all they know or care about.

Far left goes ballistic over Supreme Court ruling. Court says:

Having to identify one's own polling place and then travel there to vote does not exceed the 'usual burdens of voting, Justice Samuel Alito wrote in his opinion upholding the Arizona laws. *.

Far left claims minorities are not smart enough to determine where their district voting place is and won't know how to get there. Far left claims they should be able to vote wherever they want.

Also Court rules that people can't harvest ballots. Real blow to democrats trying to influence elections illegally.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2575102]Yes, you Democratic douches are saying exactly that.

Ha! LBJ was elected senator in 1948 where there was admitted fraud. So you are telling me LBJ rigged only one election?[/QUOTE]Admitted by whom?

[QUOTE]LOL. 43,000 votes decided this election. Wisconsin 20,608 Arizona 10,357 Georgia -- 11,799...[/QUOTE]Yet, without those 43,000 votes, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would still have gotten 7,000,000+ more legitimate American votes than Trump-Pence. That is greater than the entire population of each of all but about a dozen States!

The racist origins of the ridiculous Electoral College system is still working to thwart the true will, desires and intentions of the American people and, thereby, clearly doing serious damage to the country.

My god. Think how much better off America (and the rest of the world) would be today under far, far better conditions and the horrific disasters that would never have been produced along the way if only the loser of "the vote" in the USA had actually lost the election in all 8 of the previous presidential contests instead of just 6 of them and the incumbent running in 2004 took the usual incumbent vote lead as well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2575411]Admitted by whom?

Yet, without those 43,000 votes, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would still have gotten 7,000,000+ more legitimate American votes than Trump-Pence. That is greater than the entire population of all but about a dozen states!

The racist origins of the ridiculous Electoral College system is still working to thwart the true will, desires and intentions of the American people and, thereby, clearly doing severe damage to the country.

My god. Imagine how much better off America would be under far, far better conditions today and the horrific disasters that would never have happened along the way if only the loser of "the vote" had actually lost the election in all 8 of the previous presidential contests and the incumbent running in 2004 took the usual incumbent lead as well.[/QUOTE]Yes Imagine if Biden had lost the election. We would not have the crises at the border. 180,000 illegals entering in May. 700,000 since Biden elected. Thousands flown to other states from the border using tax payers money. Most going directly onto government subsistence. Just imagine if Biden wasn't president our borders would be secure. Sex trafficking and human trafficking would be controlled. Illegal drugs coming in at record pace. Criminals and gang members crossing freely into USA. Imagine if Biden wasn't president and we had a president that cared about crime in USA. Criminals would be prosecuted. Murders and assaults would not be at record levels. Fortunately mostly in democratic states though.

Just imagine if Biden was actually held accountable for his financial windfalls from Ukraine and China.

Yes just imagine how much better USA would be if Biden was not president. His presidency will make all the horrific disasters of the past look tame.

[QUOTE=Canada;2575092]The point is that when several states had more votes than voters and they were questioned on it the democrats said that what happened in NYC was impossible to happen. They swore that mistakes like this were impossible so no investigation was needed.[/QUOTE]Which states? Once again you make wild claims but offer no proof.

I, on the other hand, offer: [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/08/fact-check-post-argues-states-have-more-votes-than-voters/6191399002/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2575102]Yes, you Democratic douches are saying exactly that.

Ha! LBJ was elected senator in 1948 where there was admitted fraud. So you are telling me LBJ rigged only one election?

LOL. 43,000 votes decided this election. Wisconsin 20,608 Arizona 10,357 Georgia -- 11,799.

And now you have a voting machine off by 135,000 votes.

And obviously you are not following what is happening in Georgia and Arizona. It looks to me like Arizona is going to rule that Trump won. There are 250,000 votes in dispute there. Georgia already has found 20,000 votes that should not have been counted as there was no chain of custody, and that is just the tip of the iceberg there. I put the odds of fraud happening in Georgia at 99%. I would be shocked if after an audit Georgia is not ruled to have gone for Trump. In Georgia, the presidential election cannot be changed but the senatorial elections can be.

If those two states go Trump, there is going to be enormous pressure on Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. The headline in the Michigan report was the Republican senate said all was well there, however the lead senator said he would open up another audit if there was new evidence of wrongdoing in other states. Michigan admitted to issues with chain of custody and ballot boxes being used that were not supposed to be used, so there is no question the potential for fraud was there.[/QUOTE]Apparently, there is no voter fraud anywhere else except Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia and Phoenix.

What about Jacksonville, Tampa and Miami? What about Houston and Dallas? What about St. Louis? What about Cleveland and Columbus?

How come Republicans aren't investigating fraud in those cities? Isn't there just as high of a likelihood of fraud in those (and other) cities?

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2575442]Apparently, there is no voter fraud anywhere else except Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia and Phoenix.

What about Jacksonville, Tampa and Miami? What about Houston and Dallas? What about St. Louis? What about Cleveland and Columbus?

How come Republicans aren't investigating fraud in those cities? Isn't there just as high of a likelihood of fraud in those (and other) cities?[/QUOTE]Because only the democrats are cheaters.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2575438]Which states? Once again you make wild claims but offer no proof.

I, on the other hand, offer: [URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/08/fact-check-post-argues-states-have-more-votes-than-voters/6191399002/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Arizona for one. Georgia and Michigan. Probably are more but the democrats are continuing to hide the evidence.

Today reporters tried to ask Biden about Taliban starting to take over Afghanistan with the troop pullout and he refused to answer the questions. He said it is a holiday weekend so he only going to talk about happy things this weekend. Nice that the president can have a happy weekend and not address the counties problems. I guess presidents job is only Monday to Friday now.

[QUOTE=Canada;2575684]Because only the democrats are cheaters.[/QUOTE]All the states I mentioned are republiKKKan states. And that's all you've got? What a douche!

[QUOTE=Canada;2575684]Because only the democrats are cheaters.[/QUOTE]That's certainly not true, and a dumb thing to write.

Per wikipedia:

The 2018 election in North Carolina's 9th congressional district was held on November 6, 2018, to elect a member for North Carolina's 9th congressional district to the United States House of Representatives.

Republican Mark Harris, an evangelical minister, defeated incumbent Republican Congressman Robert Pittenger in the primary and then faced Democrat Dan McCready, a veteran and businessman, in the general election. Initial tallies put Harris 905 votes ahead, but the state election board refused to certify the results, pending a criminal investigation into allegations of fraud in handling of absentee ballots. The seat was unrepresented at the start of the 116th Congress.

The North Carolina State Board of Elections held an evidentiary hearing in February 2019. On February 21, the board unanimously voted to call a new election because of fraud by Republican operatives. Several Republican campaign operatives have been indicted for their role in an illegal ballot harvesting and ballot tampering operation. In addition to illegal collection and handling of ballots, ballot tampering was admitted in witness testimony, including filling in blank votes to favor Republican candidates. Harris declined to run again. The state legislature passed a law requiring new party primaries.

Dan McCready was nominated again by the Democratic Party for the special election for this seat, scheduled for September 2019. Dan Bishop, a state senator, won the Republican primary and defeated him in the election.

[QUOTE=Canada;2575684]Because only the democrats are cheaters.[/QUOTE]Except most of the recent cases of voter fraud have been by republicans. Even need to have a rerun of an election.