Lisbon

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2599801]Thanks for the input, Sexaddict13. Here is Leonor Oliveira's previous favorable review. She joins the list of current EP ladies receiving favorable reviews who are in their 30's or so.

Nothing wrong with that of course, but it would be nice if more of the 18-22 year old EP newbies were getting favorable reviews. But it has been the other way around recently.

Must have been some turnover and the sex education teacher at Lisbon High School must not be there any longer.[/QUOTE]Girls are very immature for my experience.

They just want the money to buy shoes and etc. They don't mind to give us plaisir.

Having broken the ice, I thought I could offer some broad insight on Escort Privada.

First, the locals have very mixed opinions because they hate forking out for hotel bills on top of the girl's requirements. Also, back when an hour incall averaged 80 to 100 e, 150 was steep. Now it averages 100 to 120. It is more reasonable. In fact, I would enjoy 150 while you can. It will go up.

EP is also where you will find a lot of Portuguese girls, some other nationalities, and few Brasilians, which is the opposite of incall providers.

Now, my top 3 providers ever were all incall and not EP. And all 3 are retired, so I won't discuss them except to point that out.

From EP, Maria Gomes and Anna Balthazar (both retired).

Are #4 and #5 respectively.

Four other EP girls were good experiences, and any complaints I have are strictly minor.

Quibbles.

In two instances I have truly negative things to say. One girl had put on a good deal of weight against her photo, but was otherwise fine. Still, I don't like them thick, so that was subpar. The other had a body like a Playboy model from the pre-internet era who didn't need airbrushing. Wow. But also used every time wasting and avoidance tactic in the book.

These things are hit or miss, but overall I think that even shooting blind, the odds are good you will come out OK.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2595535]I'm going to Lisbon soon. It's my first time, I saw there is a huge African community in the city thus I'll try to aim only black woman during my stay.

Thanks to the M88 I know where to knock.[/QUOTE]This is my 2nd day in the city. I searched on classificados X. Yesterday I was with a black girl who tried to do her best. But when I cumed she decided the time was over (30 min =40€). I had a BBBJ and can put a finger in a asshole.

I sent many messages to different black girls (Angolan, Mozambican, cap verdian). I received only 1 feedback from an Angolan woman (on EP). She asks 1 h=140€, 30 min = 100 €.

Obviously based on my experience I did give her a yes answer (especially when I don't know the quality, and for less I already know better).

I finally ended up with a Brazilian veteran around Av. Do Brasil.

She told me there are more women but as it's early, she was the only available woman around.

The party was good (30 min=60€).

I keep searching good gems until next week.

My objective was to be with black women but the theory is different than the reality.

I'll keep you updated.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2600370]I received only 1 feedback from an Angolan woman (on EP). She asks 1 h=140, 30 min = 100 .

Obviously based on my experience I did give her a yes answer (especially when I don't know the quality, and for less I already know better).[/QUOTE]I would like to say:"I didn't".

I contacted this afternoon 2 capverdian women on ApartadoX: Daniela Santos and Catarina Fortes.

They are time wasters.

I send the message to know the prices and where to meet up. When I arrived at the supposed place they did not reply to me. I guess their business is flourishing. I let them enjoy other "customers".

I have to visit another place later, I'll let you know.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2600370]
I keep searching good gems until next week.

My objective was to be with black women [/QUOTE]With Yola Gomes [URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Yola-Lopes-1975.html[/URL] you can't miss. She's up to anything: wild sex, BBBJ, A-Level, FFK, DATY, you name it.

But, if you like them full bodied and with BIG boobs, Luciana Melo [URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Luciana-Melo-4439.html[/URL] is an unforgettable experience (BBBJ, FFK, DATY). You'll leave her boudoir writing epic poetry!

In case you don't get to meet any of these, you'll always have Fernanda d'Ávila

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Fernanda-D%E2%80%99Avila-5363.html

( BBBJ, A-Level, DATY). Not quite on the same level of Yola and Luciana but still quite good.

Let me start by saying I been quietly following you guys for years, I been doing this for a few years now and I've had a lot of experience with this lifestyle. I don't normally do this but I must say, Lisbon has some of the flakiest women I've ever dealt with, US included. I'm talking about some of the women that were suggested in here and on other sites have flaked out on me.

I'm saying names Leonor Oliveira.

Karol Bugatti [URL]https://www.apartadox.com/es/striper-lap-dancer-Karol-Bugatti-5385[/URL].

Matilde Soares [URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Matilde-Soares-5304.html[/URL].

All played the same game with me. First was Matilde, I contacted her, she responded we arranged a time she confirmed and said she could come a little earlier, she kept me updated from the moment I sent her the address, she told me she was on the way, even told me she was close and once arrived said she was looking for parking and that was the last message I received from her.

Leonor was the next day and basically did the same thing.

And later that night I reached out to Karol and she was a incall, she sent me the location, we arranged a time and even texted me to see how close I was and once I responded I was there, radio silence. I've been to a lot of places and dealt with some women in places that you wouldn't think had a scene but I've never been played like this so consistently. What's with these women and these games?

I will say I did have a good time at RoyalT spa, my Therapist Isis was excellent, one of the best massages I have had.

[QUOTE=KamaLeo;2600663]In case you don't get to meet any of these, you'll always have Fernanda d'vila

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Fernanda-D%E2%80%99Avila-5363.html

( BBBJ, A-Level, DATY). Not quite on the same level of Yola and Luciana but still quite good.[/QUOTE]I contacted the 3 women that you had suggested me.

Fernanda replied and we stated to arranged the meeting:

17:17 me: Can you tell me what are the services you propose?

18:22 F: ola estou atender junto ao El corte ingles.

Faço. Massagem com convivio, oral ao. Natural, vaginal e anal.

30 m /60.

45 m /80 (anal)+20€.

1 h /100 (anal)+20€.

18:26 me: Where can I meet you?

18:27 F: sao Sebastião.

18:30 me: I'll let you know when I'm out of the metro station.

19:27 me: I'm coming to your place.

19:28 F: ok.

19:46 me: I'm here.

20:09 me: Are you OK?

20:09 me: I'm waiting for your information.

20:10 F: I'm ocupada.

20:11 me: Have a good night.

20:11 F: 21.

20:12 me: Not it's ok.

20:12 me: Good luck.

[QUOTE=Rayzah;2600882]Lisbon has some of the flakiest women I've ever dealt with, US included. I'm talking about some of the women that were suggested in here and on other sites have flaked out on me.[/QUOTE]Totally agree.

I contacted around 25 women (probably more) . My goals was to see only black women (I finally extended to Brazilian and Portuguese) . I ended up to see just one black girl and 2 Brazilian veterans (+40 why. O). My last Veteran will not stay in my memories (located around Saldana station in a piso with other chicks) . I selected her to avoid the lazyness of the youngest ones. I paid 100 four 1 hour. I left before.

I contacted Pureza Vilar on apartadoX. She looks nice on the pictures. She asks me 150 an hour. Honestly fellow mongers, I thought it was over priced compared to what I experienced in other places in the world (I let you see my previous posts) , and I had no guarantees on how the meeting would be (especially when others women had already make me waste my time).

From my opinion, Lisbon market is over estimated: above 1 hour=100, it might be a scam (I'm talking from my experience).

Women ask 60 for 30 min and the quality is less than in a German brothel or in BCN.

Be careful guys.

[QUOTE=RandomWanderer;2485318]Language.

Many girls like Mellany ([URL]https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-de-Luxo-Mellany-4848.html[/URL]) read my English message and never answered, 2 days later I asked again she read and no answer. A day after that suddenly she replies "Oi bebe nao falo ingles". If I sent translate text she answered but took 200 euro + cab for coming to hotel. And she said she worked near Roma Reiro station. Preferred incall.

Reason I think they don' even bother translating themselves is because they don't have to. Every girls I met had their phone buzzing and calling all the time. Also on WhatsApp you can see most girls when they are online etc. Melanny is online basically every sharp hour. Probably full all the time.[/QUOTE]I have the same feelings. The locals feed the market. They don't need to speak English if they already have flourishing business with Portuguese speakers.

[QUOTE=Rayzah;2600882]Lisbon has some of the flakiest women I've ever dealt with, US included. I'm talking about some of the women that were suggested in here and on other sites have flaked out on me.[/QUOTE]I don't mean in any way to come to the defense of Lisbon's reputation. But to name THREE girls that had a bad attitude and, from there, establish an all encompassing law about Lisbon's courtesans, is a bit far-fetched.

There are some of those (too many, really), but also many great ones. You were unlucky, for sure. But if, as you say, you "have been quietly following us for years", you should have taken notice of all the ones we have been recomending in post, after post, after post.

I wish you better luck, next time.

Hey guys, somewhat new to the Lisbon scene of mongering. I wanted to know whether incall is cheaper or outcall? I am assuming that outcall would be cheaper as you don't have to deal with booking a hotel etc?

About the escorts on apartadox, how do you figure out whether or not they are open to outcall?

As I am new, can someone please explain the rules of engagement for apartadox please?

Thank you!

[QUOTE=SecurityBanana;2601067]Hey guys, somewhat new to the Lisbon scene of mongering. I wanted to know whether incall is cheaper or outcall? I am assuming that outcall would be cheaper as you don't have to deal with booking a hotel etc?

About the escorts on apartadox, how do you figure out whether or not they are open to outcall?

As I am new, can someone please explain the rules of engagement for apartadox please?

Thank you![/QUOTE]Outcall means that she travels to you. It is generally more expensive for her since she incurs transit time and expenses, and her outcall rate is usually higher. Most ladies have an incall rate and an outcall rate. Unfortunately, apartadox does not allow the display of rates, so you need to ask the lady about her rates.

Please note that Escort Privada only offers outcall. But the 150 per hour rate includes outcall within the city limits. They charge an additional amount for outcall to more distant locations such as Sinatra, Cascais, Setubal, Sessimbra, etc. Unless things have changed, they will sometimes waive any such additional charge if you book two hours or more. But you need to ask them. Remember that is just for outcall outside of Lisbon.

Incall is when you travel to see her. Most reports on the local review board are for incall. Her incall rates are set so that she pays her share of the incall apartment out of her monthly earnings. This is a fixed cost for her, so an occasional outcall appointment doesn't reduce this fixed cost. So she still charges more for outfall since she has to travel to see you.

If you are not a Lisbon local, you likely have a hotel or Airbnb. So a non-local likely incurs more fees for an incall instead of an outcall appointment since you need to take a taxi or Uber to go see her at her incall place. So you compare her outcall rate to the costs you would incur to see her at your place. Hotels are girl-friendly in Lisbon and in all of Portugal. She can come up to your hotel room without the hotel security stopping her, or the hotel charging you more. That is a concept that people who started doing this in South America or the Muslim World have a lot of difficulty understanding. Women are equals in Europe, Canada and the United States and can walk around the hotel freely. There are plenty of barriers to commercial sex in the United States, but entry / exit from hotels (as opposed to motels) are not an issue in the United States. But that was off-topic. In Portugal, female provider entry into all venues, hotels / motels / Airbnb's, is not an issue.

[QUOTE=KamaLeo;2601006]I don't mean in any way to come to the defense of Lisbon's reputation. But to name THREE girls that had a bad attitude and, from there, establish an all encompassing law about Lisbon's courtesans, is a bit far-fetched.

There are some of those (too many, really), but also many great ones. You were unlucky, for sure. But if, as you say, you "have been quietly following us for years", you should have taken notice of all the ones we have been recomending in post, after post, after post.

I wish you better luck, next time.[/QUOTE]I'm sure there are some great ones out there but I have never had this much bad luck with the women. I don't want to say all of Lisbon is bad but I want to point out how these things happen for seemingly no reason. This type of behavior should be called out just so people that come here can know what to expect.

I have been in other forums reading what y'all say and have never had an issue with the websites or women y'all recommended, but it felt like I must have contacted over 20 women and had zero luck. That says something about the scene here.

[QUOTE=Rayzah;2601116]I'm sure there are some great ones out there but I have never had this much bad luck with the women. I must have contacted over 20 women and had zero luck. That says something about the scene here.[/QUOTE]I had the similar experience that the fellow mongers can see below.

[QUOTE=HDN2015;2601291]I had the similar experience that the fellow mongers can see below.[/QUOTE]But the purpose of ISG (and the local Portuguese forum) is exactly to provide the info to sort out the great courtesans from the others. If the recommendations made here are disregarded, they will be pointless.