Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1973077]While we're on the Spasso topic, I came back there again recently, but early in the night, while the live band was still playing. It was a slow night.

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Once again, she gave me the old Spasso routine of wanting to be paid upfront, to which I said I would pay her afterwards, and if that's not OK we can just call off the whole matter and I will forsake the price of the hotel without a fuss. This time, the compromise was that I left the money on the counter top, visible to her, but not to be touched by her until afterwards. I swear, the second I jumped out of the bed after satisfactory completion of the intimate frictions to go wash in the shower, she jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit. Not the classiest move. . . . [/QUOTE]Good post E S.

Your post reinforces the fact that there are devious asshole guys who cheat the girls out of whatever deal was pre-arranged.

This girl has obviously been burnt before, hence the way she "jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit".

That's a learned behavior, stimulated by previous bad experiences with guys who spoil it for others.

Is that really LT-prices? I mean, how many hours is LT here?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1972895]Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, however, I have gotten less on occasion. Insanity previously Insomnia was never 5,000 LT, more like 2,500-3,500. May I ask what time you went? What's your nationality? How old are you? How were you dressed? Were you alone? Often ladies ask more for people they don't like just to discourage them. If by the odd chance the punter agrees, it's a windfall for them and they can overlook whatever it was they didn't like about you for the extra money. It could also be because you were too early. These are just my honest opinions. Did you try Climax by the way? Prices there are 2,500-3,000 LT.

Bangkok is generally a little more expensive than Pattaya for the freelance market but the prices you were quoted are no where near a good reflection of the normal freelance LT rates in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1973098]Good post E S.

Your post reinforces the fact that there are devious asshole guys who cheat the girls out of whatever deal was pre-arranged.

This girl has obviously been burnt before, hence the way she "jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit".

That's a learned behavior, stimulated by previous bad experiences with guys who spoil it for others.[/QUOTE]Good response as well.

Absolutely there are reasons for these strange behaviours. Same things happened in MPs where customers suddenly found they no money at the end of the session, and expected to get away with freebie fucks. Hence the change over to pay upfront for untrusted customers.

Also girls from bars have told me the number of times she got burnt by customers reneging on the deal. Some customers, feel they have a right to pay a greatly reduced amount than what was agreed due to being unimpressed by the service ability of the girl. The girl of course expects to get the full amount, and maybe a tip if she was superb.

Bargirls, MP girls, and freelancers that have never been ripped off by the customers, hardly exist in my experience.

I am not adverse at all to girls that go with me without discussing the price, so that I can pay them very fairly based on what was delivered. I. e. Less for lacklustre quicky than a send me to heaven experience. Having a fixed agreed price seems incongruous to me, as makes little allowance for how good was the experience, however does not mean I try to get away with paying half the agreed rate or nothing.

I feel a guy can get away with paying a girl only a small amount for her time and taxi, if the sex never eventuated, e. G. Girl was too drunk to do anything at all. However once you fuck the girl, I think payment has to be made.

I meet very few girls that don't trust me to pay, probably due to my general behavior. However have met the odd one, normally very shy type, who wanted money up front having been burned several times, by guys not paying. It is quite difficult for very shy newbie girls to demand the money even at the end of the session, and also difficult for them to negotiate for services as well.

It is wise to never pay freelancers in advance, as they could easily attempt to do a runner with the cash.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1973065]Yes, they aren't secretive about the fact that those girls work for other escort agencies and list them right on their profiles. But when I go to the websites for the agencies listed for each girl, such as New Bangkok Escort and Pure Bangkok Escort, the starting rate for 2 hours with the exact same girl is 5,000 baht vs 3,750 baht on [URL]smooci.com[/URL].

Why wouldn't I want to shop, select and book from among "the best escorts from other agencies" for a discounted price on [URL]smooci.com[/URL] instead of through their original agency's website for 1,250 baht more? Not sure why that would be a mistake but open to hearing more about it.[/QUOTE]I noticed that when you turn on filter to girls aged 18 to 23, almost all girls get eliminated. I was just testing to see if my target girl Bam might come up. Not too likely. LOL.

I think the site would be better when and if can search for a specific girl. I don't want to take the girls they offer. I am willing to change my time slot to be able to book the specific girl. It's a big if. I doubt this function will be available, since it is more suited to going through the normal agency.

I think one of the reasons for the discounted price, is that the bookings are for the extreme near future (max 4 hours out). These girls would otherwise not have a booking at all for the target timeslot most likely. Highly in demand girls may not need to go for a discounted price in order to increase their business activity levels. I have little doubt that girls agreeing to go from this system are also agreeing to make less for the booking than their normal charge, rather than miss out on money completely. The normal agency is likely forgoing something as well. Of course I have no clue what is the agency cut normally, but could be quite significant. Hardly surprising that some girls want to be independent.

Am I wrong, and lots of guys used to make lots of last minute Escort bookings before smooci arrived?

Anyway I don't see myself trying escorts fed up to me by smooci, because I am just to picky and need special info about the girl first, like does she have natural tits, as example.

I have never been a guy looking for any old cheapest option. I can't change now. Plenty of guys booking escorts wanted Rita the very expensive Eurasian girl. They also were not looking for the cheap options. Escorts has to be more about quality, and value for money, right?

I know a freelancer I can get cheap who is really quite superb for me on the bed for the activity skills, and she likes the sex (3 pops last time for her). Her body is O.K. for a mother and face is above average, not stunning, and teeth way off perfect. Some might think she looks like a LB (tall). If I take an Escort, she really needs to be something special for looks as well as service. Too many escorts look just too ordinary. I recognise that bargirls can cost me just the same as an Escort after too many drinks, barfine, ST Hotel, etc. However with bargirl I am absolutely certain of the face and body having seen her naked, and no surgeries, and did not have to go through the same booking hassles. Bargirl service is not certain, but then again, bad service from Escorts has also been reported (the lacklustre Toey). No guarantee of compatibility as well. Always possible to find a pussy that does not suit me perfectly.

Are Escorts generally better than bargirls? I don't know that, but for sure I know my first glance of an escort could result in disappointment.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1973132]Is that really LT-prices? I mean, how many hours is LT here?[/QUOTE]LT generally means more than one pop. It can last a few hours or as long as the girl wants to stay. If my examples seem expensive to you, then I would hate to have seen your reaction to the original ops post.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1973165]
I think one of the reasons for the discounted price, is that the bookings are for the extreme near future (max 4 hours out). These girls would otherwise not have a booking at all for the target timeslot most likely. [/QUOTE]Makes sense. Was thinking the prices are pretty decent and a couple of girls were close to above average Thermae quality, however, for 1 hour Thermae is still cheaper, you get to see them pre-photoshop, and you get to interact with the girls first before committing, either getting some food with them, buying them a drink, or just having a quick 2 minute talk while they are standing in their spot. I guess if your hotel was near Patpong or somewhere like that this would be a good option. Do BKK escorts all provide DFK and BBBJ?

Off topic, anyone have any updates on the Thaniya Road bars?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1972895]Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mixx is average 4500-6000, Spasso 4,500-8,000 K, ...[/QUOTE]I was in Spasso on a Thursday evening. I was one of the first there who arrived at about 9 pm. I talked to a number of girls before I have chosen one at 11 pm. The girl I have chosen there was Vietnamese and she asked for a price of 350 USD for the full night. This girl told me she works in Dubai (Nightclub Moscow), Singapore (Brix), Jakarta (CJ's) and when she's in Bangkok in Spasso. I took her for 350 USD (or 12,500 Baht) and we stayed together from 11 pm until 3 pm in the afternoon of the following day. I paid her 12,500 Baht at 3 pm before she left. I think for such a girl you cannot lower the price much if you want to take her at 11 pm. If she'd be still there at 3 am, I think she would go with you for 8,000 Baht but she told me she has a lot of (returning) customers and one even gave her 24,000 Baht just for a couple of hours recently because he likes her so much.

I was in Mixx on a Friday night. I talked to many girls. Until 1 am the lowest price from Thai's I was offered was 6,000 Baht. From Russian's, Columbians or even a Korean the lowest price was 10,000 Baht for a night until 6 am. And money upfront. I did not take any girl there.

I was in Insanity on a Saturday night. I took a Thai girl there for 5,000 Baht for the night. We stayed from midnight until 10 am when I sent her back home. She would have stayed longer. I payed her when she left.

In general I like to take a girl before midnight, want that she stays with me as long as I want the following day and pay her before she leaves (not upfront). And a very good service of course.

Prices you mentioned are possible for sure but not for the best girls because they'll be taken out for such a price.

In Spasso you have men who don't care to pay up to 1000 USD for a girl and night.

In Mixx you can wait until 3 am and then you can take out the girl for a lower price (if you want to wait until 3 am).

[QUOTE=Pussycheck;1973205]I was in Spasso on a Thursday evening. I was one of the first there who arrived at about 9 pm. I talked to a number of girls before I have chosen one at 11 pm. The girl I have chosen there was Vietnamese and she asked for a price of 350 USD for the full night. This girl told me she works in Dubai (Nightclub Moscow), Singapore (Brix), Jakarta (CJ's) and when she's in Bangkok in Spasso. I took her for 350 USD (or 12,500 Baht) and we stayed together from 11 pm until 3 pm in the afternoon of the following day. I paid her 12,500 Baht at 3 pm before she left. I think for such a girl you cannot lower the price much if you want to take her at 11 pm. If she'd be still there at 3 am, I think she would go with you for 8,000 Baht but she told me she has a lot of (returning) customers and one even gave her 24,000 Baht just for a couple of hours recently because he likes her so much.

I was in Mixx on a Friday night. I talked to many girls. Until 1 am the lowest price from Thai's I was offered was 6,000 Baht. From Russian's, Columbians or even a Korean the lowest price was 10,000 Baht for a night until 6 am. And money upfront. I did not take any girl there.

I was in Insanity on a Saturday night. I took a Thai girl there for 5,000 Baht for the night. We stayed from midnight until 10 am when I sent her back home. She would have stayed longer. I payed her when she left.

In general I like to take a girl before midnight, want that she stays with me as long as I want the following day and pay her before she leaves (not upfront). And a very good service of course.

Prices you mentioned are possible for sure but not for the best girls because they'll be taken out for such a price.

In Spasso you have men who don't care to pay up to 1000 USD for a girl and night.

In Mixx you can wait until 3 am and then you can take out the girl for a lower price (if you want to wait until 3 am).[/QUOTE]If you claim to know all the answers, why did you ask the question? I have taken many stunners from all those places and was never quoted the same price as you. One poster claims he took a stunner from Spasso for 3,000ST so long term would have been about 6,000. Please don't get upset that the ladies charge you more. They have their reasons. For example, your nationality, time of night and so on. You asked if those prices were normal, I said no and other posters seem to agree that your quoted prices were not normal. What's your nationality? May I ask again?

As for the level of service and rates between Pattaya and Bangkok, it's always YMMV for the real stunners. Prices can be high or low depending on the punter and the girls feelings. In General Pattaya is known for being a little cheaper but not always, especially for the stunners. The level of service is also YMMV however there is always a stigma with the stunners that they perform like starfishes but that as well is YMMV. Also a stunner is widely different in the eyes of different punters. One girl could be 10/10 to one and a dud to another.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1973210] The level of service is also YMMV however there is always a stigma with the stunners that they perform like starfishes but that as well is YMMV. Also a stunner is widely different in the eyes of different punters. One girl could be 10/10 to one and a dud to another.[/QUOTE]Very true. My buddy sends me pics of his "stunners" from Sweden or Russia and some look so so to me. Just not my taste. Also many stunners in Baccara look like horrible aliens or like LBs to me with their surgeries.

I don't detect a strong anti-correlation between looks and performance on the bed. My favorite on the bed girl looks beautifully exotic to my taste. I can understand that stunning girls can retain their regular customers with somewhat average performance though. Donut ex-CH is such a girl student who is enthusiastic but lacking real expertise in the skills and hampered a little by braces. Being very pretty and fun and classy is enough for me. She doesn't have to be like a wild working girl on the bed, just be into it and make a good time. I can't dump such a gorgeous girl easily, even she is unreliable for future appointments.

Also stunners have less need to retain regulars, when they can pick a new customer so easily. In Crazy House, never saw Donut go more than 10 minutes without hooking a customer, even when it was not me (following completion of a ST already). LOL Also Ging Gaew could get a customer quickly due to heavy swinging tits, even she was not stunning, merely quite cute.

I have only one regular girl that is not well above average looks (the cheapest one) to my taste, and they are all giving me blissful service on most occasions. It is not necessary to go to really average to ugly girls to get the great satisfying sex, unless guys really need pornstars all the time.

On BKK Dog's other point:
The customer behaviour and looks (and nationality) also makes a big difference, with high class guys speaking to the girl very nicely no doubt making a big difference, not necessarily being young, or handsome. Some girls just admit they like Japanese or Koreans, and others have a strong bias to Farangs. My favourite girl started fucking Farangs at 15 (long ago) and claims to have never done a Thai man in her life. She has a very strong bias to Farangs for one reason or another. Some Thai girls will take any nationality with nice attitude that are clean and dress well, but not all. Plenty of racism exists. Some Thai girls are desperate and forced to take any man they can get.

BKK Dog comes across as very smooth experienced operator, and probably helps to get the best prices offered. I have no experience picking up girls in discos, since I generally hate modern discos, so no doubt would be more difficult for me to get the best prices, at a guess. I am a bit old for the modern non-music they have, and DJs making an abortion out of songs, if there are any songs. The only time I went to discos was when already had a girl and she invited me there. LOL Discos are too loud and noisy for me to actually talk to anyone. Sound separation problems.

Greetings,

I am planning my second trip to Pattaya & Bangkok for 5 days around last week of December. My previous experience was not good. Being a south Indian I was not allowed in Mixx & Insomnia.

In some MPs, the treatment was similar. That of repulsion and non-cooperation. In short my overall experience was bad. Is such hatred towards still present? Also I have some queries.

- It being a new year time-slot, will finding good girls for ST / LT be difficult / costly? My budget is 3000 for ST & 6000 for LT. I want to try something different this time. Something like Lords MP which I missed last time.

- Will I be able to find hotels in Pattaya, Bangkok when I reach there or should I book beforehand?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1973078]In hindsight and by any chance did you get the impression she would have made the experience quite a bit more memorable for you, including BBBJ instead of a covered one, taking you to a more pleasant hotel and perhaps zero mood killing dickering about paying upfront vs paying afterwards if you had not countered her initial offer of 5000 with a number as low as 2000 and (after she laughed at you) settled on 3000 but instead kept it more in her ballpark by initially countering with, say, 3000 and settling on 4000?[/QUOTE]Yes absolutely. Countering with 3000, settling on 4000, makes a lot of sense. She even said that she had taken me to this particularly shitty hotel because she thought I was a cheapskate. Makes no sense, obviously, because PB is the same price, but maybe it makes Thai-girl-sense.

I was just improvising off-the-cuff based on my experiences at Climax in Bangkok and the I-Bar in Pattaya, which are much more numerous than the ones at Spasso. I don't care that much either way, but it's good to get informative feedback from the more seasoned mongers on the forum in case I want to go back to Spasso in the future.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;1973210]If you claim to know all the answers, why did you ask the question? ...[/QUOTE]My question was just if the girls in clubs in Pattaya are better looking and their price is cheaper compared to the ones in Bangkok. The look will be answered different by each individuum of course.

If the club scene is better in Pattaya then I would check-out Pattaya next time.

I just mentioned the prices of these clubs in Bangkok and have shown my observations.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1973083]Wow. Yeah, I would say right off the bat that it sounds like the 5000 baht ST experience with a Spasso girl kicks the shit out of the 3000 baht ST experience with a Spasso girl. LOL. I know the survey sample is quite low, just having a bit of fun here. .[/QUOTE]In the first 30 seconds I could tell the girls were not in the same league. I know Spasso has a good reputation overall in terms of talent pool, but even there the amount of variation is considerable.

I don't think it's as much a question of paying more, as it is a question of which girls are willing to accept to be paid less, given that they know perfectly well their own sexual market values.

[QUOTE=EricSwiss;1973266]Yes absolutely. Countering with 3000, settling on 4000, makes a lot of sense. She even said that she had taken me to this particularly shitty hotel because she thought I was a cheapskate. Makes no sense, obviously, because PB is the same price, but maybe it makes Thai-girl-sense.

I was just improvising off-the-cuff based on my experiences at Climax in Bangkok and the I-Bar in Pattaya, which are much more numerous than the ones at Spasso. I don't care that much either way, but it's good to get informative feedback from the more seasoned mongers on the forum in case I want to go back to Spasso in the future.[/QUOTE]Eric, it's pretty simple to understand. She needed the money and you were a nice enough looking guy with a good personality for her to accept 3 K instead of 4 K. I firmly believe if she was not feeling it with the guy, she would have requested 6 k ST and 10 k-12 k LT. As I said before, if the punter agrees, she goes through with it for the windfall. And paying her after the deed was the right thing to do. The fact that she didn't bail after you told her you weren't paying until after, also cries out YMMV. Good job at showing the others how it done.

By the way, don't get me wrong. I have paid my share of expensive rates in the past, and I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, but getting ripped off is a completely different story.

I have given girls 10 K for similar LT dates that consist of a movie, dinner, drinks and then 2 or 3 pops in the hotel between evening and the following afternoon but I set the rate beforehand and the ladies just went along happily. Hope that helps mate.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;1973098]Good post E S.

Your post reinforces the fact that there are devious asshole guys who cheat the girls out of whatever deal was pre-arranged.

This girl has obviously been burnt before, hence the way she "jumped on the cash like a hawk on a rabbit".

That's a learned behavior, stimulated by previous bad experiences with guys who spoil it for others.[/QUOTE]So you're saying her move was not classy because she'd done business with not-very-classy males before? Yeah, I believe that.

Nonetheless, I don't pay freelancers upfront, so if she hadn't been willing and able to find a reasonable compromise, then I would have just brought some other girl to the same short-time hotel room instead.