Bangkok Reports

As mentioned in my long ass report, not bad, not really great, some nice moments and fantasies fulfilled. PM if you would like more info or just look them up on Craigslist. Apple looks a little cuter in these pics than she did in real life, hmmm, Pam does too.

Leave the hotel and after a 15 minute very leisurely stroll I arrived at terminal 21. 6 level modern mall. One level has large food court and another level has several restaurants. Lots of girls all around. Maybe only a few probably willing to play.

After lunch, I think to myself, I wonder how far soi cowboy is from here. Lo and behold, its right across the street. Basically its an alley with a bunch of bars. At the moment its pretty dead but it looks like it just breads all kinds of seediness. Can't wait to come back tonight!

[QUOTE=Eboniman; 1429025]Arrived in Bangkok last night. First time here. I went to phuket but that was years ago. Flew in last night from Angeles city. (I'll add reports about my time there later.) The traffic here in Bangkok is horrible. It literally took 1 hour and 45 minutes to get from the airport to my hotel. I am staying at Majestic suites. Pretty nice spot. Can see nana plaza and nana hotel out my window.

Got to the hotel at 8:45. Friday night, this place should be jumping. Plenty of bars and girls all over in addition to the 3 floors of action in the plaza. I took my time and walked into each bar. Quick look see and then leave. I may have stayed for one or two if I saw something I liked.

Its more expensive here than in the Philippines. Prices vary but what I was quoted roughly is. 150 for drinks. 500-600 bar fine. 2000 short time and 4000 for long time.

I chatted with one girl, bought her a drink and dangled the long time "carrot" in front of her. She bit and later into the night the price kept varying by whatever deal she offered but still kept falling. At one point she offered long time with her and her best friend for 2000 each. I passed but by the end of the night just settled on her for 2500 long time.

I passed terminal 21 on the way here. Saw it here mentioned a couple times. May mosey on down and check it out.[/QUOTE]First of all welcome to BKK. Bangkok will get you eventually, hehe according to the Hangover 2 movie. Stick your fingers to yourself though. Just a few comments on your reports though.

First is it nothing else than barfining ladies? In Climax and other nightvenues you can get a "perfect" girl for 3000BHT LT session. I have found out that I only do ST sessions from Biergarden Soi 7(1-2000bhts) and even worse I do Very Short Time(VST) from some Beachroad bride(1000 even steven). Open your eyes and view possibilities that is my recomandations. A bottle of vodka is 2500bhts plus extras

I don't know where you are from but how can you view Bangkok as expensive? Sure I dont believe you compare it to your homey prices? I have for sure been into the phils though and yes it is cheaper than Bangkok. In Makati where I stay it is upscale and you prob have a nicer time if you are a bit well heeled. But expensive in Bangkok I question this greatly? Never been to Angeles though and never will as I dont find both Pattis and Angeles appealing to me. I have a few fellow countrymen I see occationaly as they live in Pattis but I try to avvoid it as much as I can. Allways diff to get into rants about prices and some people inside here have strong meanings. I am more easygoing and compare to my country prices even Singa and Macau is cheap so I will not rant you. This depends I believe what we are used to back home, hehe.

Drinks in Bangkok in my kind of place is ranging from 200bht to 500bht depends. Scirocco at Lembua is by far the most expensive place and you can get yourself a nice Mojhito for around 650bht.

Otherwice Bangkok blasts and gets better and better even if someone try to downgrade it. For me the freelancemarket is blooming (yes I did encounter one 8 rate in Biergarden and prices are the same as for 5-7 years ago. It is not all about the Go Go and Bargirls sir Bangkok has a lot to offer at cheap prices.

[QUOTE=Eboniman; 1429025]Arrived in Bangkok last night. First time here. I went to phuket but that was years ago. Flew in last night from Angeles city. (I'll add reports about my time there later.) The traffic here in Bangkok is horrible. It literally took 1 hour and 45 minutes to get from the airport to my hotel. I am staying at Majestic suites. Pretty nice spot. Can see nana plaza and nana hotel out my window.

Got to the hotel at 8:45. Friday night, this place should be jumping. Plenty of bars and girls all over in addition to the 3 floors of action in the plaza. I took my time and walked into each bar. Quick look see and then leave. I may have stayed for one or two if I saw something I liked.[/QUOTE]You picked a bad time to arrive! Yesterday evening had an exceptionally bad traffic jam reported to be in nearly all areas. Not sure why other than Friday night. I had to dump a taxi and switch to underground and sky train. Try arriving early morning or very late Sunday and your taxi might take little more than 30 mins. I will fly out on a Sunday evening (no hassles).

Although not normally recommended, you could take the new train service from the airport to Makkasan and then get a Tuk Tuk from there. Normally I would not take Tuk Tuk unless traffic exceptionally bad.

I arrived just after midday on a Saturday, last flight I made into Thailand, and had little problems although I live in a slightly different area.

See you at 6 pm. I will be smoking a cigar in front. Could not respond to your message, your box is full.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1429215]The price police here again. Really guys, its misleading to say lt is availabe with PERFECT girls for 3k.lol.[/QUOTE]Definition of perfect in bed? In look? In attitude? In dancing? Conversation over world economy? Religion?

I reckon one picking up from nana is looking mainly for sex and decent not ugly look. A starfish stunner is useless. Ideally a horny stunner is ideal but how many do we meet in P4P FL?

We landed in Bangkok in the afternoon. Coming to Bangkok is always been a journey of anticipated excitement. I love Bangkok, it is tourist friendly, Thai people are warm and welcoming. I was visiting after a gap of one year. You notice changes in the Terminal building, the Bangkok skyline. But what has not changed is lack of smile on faces of Immigration staff. They have this smirk on their faces. It is not that they are inefficient. May be they are tired of working many years in same job oblivion to the fact that their country is called as Land Of Smiles. IMHO the middle aged Immigration staff be replaced by lovelies from places like BACCARA. Just imagine how nice it will be if a pretty face tells you that you look more 'hansome man' than your photo in passport! Humor apart, there are enough English speaking young Thai men and women who will do wonderful job at Immigration counters. As per Master Card recent survey Bangkok is No 1 destination in the world.

We reached our Hotel on Soi 11, Sukhmvit which is our favorite location. I love the buzz, bars, girls on the street, massage parlors. There are all types of restaurants including good street food. Soi 11 does not sleep till 3 am.

Since daytime was allotted for business we had 3 nights free for our activities. So we discussed the plan of action. It is decided that we start with soapy, then barfine girls from Baccara next day and on last day go to a recommended fashion massage at AKANE.

Soapy Massage at CUPIDITY.

During our earlier visits we have been to numerous soapies but somehow the experience at Cupidity made impression. Better selection, clean and large place. We took a taxi to Prince hotel on Petchburi road near Maksaan junction. Got down near the Prince hotel to avoid taxi trap. If you get down near Cupidity the bill can go up by 1000 baht to cover taxi driver's cut. We walked around and behind on footpaths with little street light to Plaza entertainment building. Cupidity is on your right as you see Plaza building.

It was 8. 30 pm and there were about 50 girls. 7-8 range. I tipped a staff in uniform 200 baht to give us clue on the best girls. Based on his suggestion took 227, tall, effervescent Issan girl. Her name is Kom. As soon as I started walking with her you feel connected because she is so jovial. Room was of reasonable size and quality. The usual ritual started. Tub getting full with water, inflatable mattress being prepared etc. Ordered a soft drink for both at 130 baht. In between tub filling process got hold of her tight ass. She was hot. Her perky tits and well rounded ass was enough to awaken the little Joe to full mast. In bathtub she worked enough soapy foam. We enter the tub. She started playing, sliding, teasing, moving her tits and crotch on my already hard dick. It was divine. She was giggling througout. Excellent BBBJ. Then on mattress she slid expertly on my back and front giving great pleasure. Her laughter and humor made it enjoyable. I was now etching to get her honeypot.

However once on the bed I decided not to rush. I kissed her slowly from face, earlobe, tits, downwards. She seems to have liked it. I had one of the best DATY after long time. When my tongue discovered her G-spot she shuddered. Wow, this can not be fake. I continued vigoursly. She was moaning and wet. Must be either a great actress or was she really wet. She asked me to stop. Then sex in multiple positions, cowgirl, mish, doggy. I lasted much longer, couldn't come. She took me closer and kissed, moved expertly to put the dick in her wet pussy. I exploded.

We had a chat about her life. She was talkative, told about her family, daughter. She was happy about herself. No ususal sob story. She said she can come to my hotel in the morning if required.

The second pop was equally good. Finished in mish. She was talent in mish because of her happy comforting nature. It was almost 70 minutes now, time flew like breeze. She gave back massage and chatted happily.

Girl 7. 5/10.

Performance 8/10

Attitude 8/10.

WIR Yes (she gave her number. Available for outcall)

Damage 3000 baht + 500 tip (I suppose we have paid more, not sure. The experience was worth it)

My other friend who took the recommended girl was not happy. She was starfish, very mechanical but gave good sex. So it is important to check with ISG forum before coming to Bangkok. Without recommendations it is hit and miss.

VISIT TO BACCARA.

Baccara in Soi Cowboy was as usual reverberating at 12 midnight when we reached there. The scene was awesome. Girls in black dress about 20 to 30 of them gyrating on the stage. Quality 6-8 range. They have numbers and the whole dance thing goes for about 15 minutes. They are then replaced by girls dressed in maroon colour. Did not understand the colour code. We sat on the front table and the view of girls dancing above on glass ceiling was impressive. They were wearing nothing underneath. You could see their plump pussies clearly through glass. A young Aussie couple sitting next to us had their mouth open in astonishment. Looks like their first time in LOS. I thought both are going to fall off their chair!

After understanding the MO, we chose a girl. The waitress said 600 barfine and 2500 for the girl. When girl came down she asked for drink. I said we can drink in our hotel room. I suspected a rip-off for ladies drink. They talked something in Thai and off the girl went saying she has another customer. Now, is ladies drink mandatory? Nobody told us. I am generous enough to buy drinks for girls in normal bars. But here I was not sure. When in doubt took help of serving girls. A tip of 100 was good enough to understand that ladies drink is 300 baht and had to be paid if you are picking up good girl. So next girl we chose ordered the drink at 300 baht. I duly paid. This may be tourist prices, different for different nationalities. We saw many Japanese, Chinese punters around. Wondered if same rates are quoted to them as well. Also not sure if we have been overcharged.

Took the girl to the Hotel. She was sweet looking girl and spoke good English. I had good time but it was mechanical. She was not really into it. No DFK, DATY. The BJ was covered. She was health freak which is good but spoils the whole fun. My friend had slightly better experience.

Girl 7/10.

Attitude 6/10.

Sex 6/10.

Overall 6/10.

WIR No.

AKANE FASHION MASSAGE.

This place was recommended by fellow travelers. The concept at AKANE is like a Japanese Massage House. It is more of a erotic massage than FS place.

When we reached there early evening it was raining. We walked through puddles of water, weather became cooler. We found AKANE which has distinctive Japanese sign on outside. The girls are Thai here but they are given names such as Yuzuki, Yoko, Miki etc just to keep Japanese theme.

We were shown the menu while a cold drink is served. We chose recommended special massage for 90 minutes at 1650 bath. A lineup of girls including one at reception was shown. Girls 7-8. I chose a girl called Abby, medium height, sexy. I was taken inside a small clean room with attached bath. She got naked soon and gave me a nice shower. The attitude and service was very good. She washed me slowly with no rush. Fondled my little Joe while allowing me to touch her tits and firm ass. Her sexuality standing so close was exciting. She dried me with towel and asked me to lie on a sofa type futon bed. She used some creams and lotions to give a erotic massage. First on the back and then on the front. The use of tits and crotch was erotic. She kissed in one sweeping motion. This was similar to Tantra techniq. She allowed me to feel her pussy with some playing with fingers. The whole experience was really enjoyable. At the end of about 45 minutes the second girl Yusuki appeared. I was told by Abby that Yusuki is BJ specialist. Awsome!

Yusuki was really a specialist. I have never experienced a covered BJ as good as given by Yusuki. No wonder people talk about this place. Her lips and tongue was working in such wonderful motion that I could not hold on much longer and came. Massage and chat with the girls followed. They were both chirpy and happy. I entertained them with my stories of escapades in different countries. Took some Thai language lessons. By this time Yusuki was massaging my pelvic area expertly. This is to awaken the little Joe for final pop. At the end of three days in Bangkok with so many pops little Joe wanted to sleep. But Yusuki will not have any of those excuses. She took it personally and made my Joe to stand full mast by a her expertise in BJ. She then removed condom, applied some kind of cream and used her fingers, thumb to great effect. It was closer to fucking without condom. She was smiling and happy to see the second pop coming. She said ' hummm you are fucking too much in Bangkok! ' Yes, she was right!

Girls 7/10.

Attitude 9/10.

Erotic Massage 8/10.

BJ 9/10.

Damage 1650 + 300 tip.

WIR Yes.

Came back to Soi 11. We had enough Thai food for 3 days so decided to try German pub apposite our hotel. Good place. German looking Thai waiter was entertaining. A cold Weissbier after massage at Akane and 2 pops was very satisfying. Ordered Currywurst and Pork Gulash which was finger licking good.

Bangkok leaves trail of memories whenever I go back. It is a place I like to come back again and again for pretty girls, nightlife, corner bars. Street food. It is a holiday at it's best.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot]Today I wanted to visit NATAREE, a massage parlour. After we dried ourselves I lay on the bed and Amy rubbed her large tits over my chest. It felt great. She then gave me a surprisingly good blowjob with long, deep sucks. I've never been with a Thai girl who deep-throats but this girl got close.[/QUOTE]I am very much enjoying Sir Lancelot's reports, which are well-written and provide useful information. Looking forward to future installments as well.

With regard to the session at Nataree, was the blowjob bareback or with condom?

I ask because lots of gents have reported the girls at Nataree insist on using a condom during blowjobs, something that is a deal-breaker for me. If Amy used a condom and Sir Lancelot still enjoyed himself, good on him. But if she blew him bareback I'd like to know. If that's the case, did he arrange for a BBBJ in advance with the girl? Or perhaps the papasan?

Bunky

[QUOTE=Harold444;1429215]The price police here again. Really guys, its misleading to say lt is availabe with PERFECT girls for 3k.[/QUOTE]Who are you to tell someone what their perfect girl looks like? You did the same with me last week, ticking me off for daring to suggest that Nana Plaza has pretty girls.

Why the arrogance? You've posted 195 comments and hardly any add anything to the forum. Most are ridiculing people who have actually made an effort to add a report. You never post field reports (despite purporting to be Bangkok's resident expert) and, interestingly for someone who is so quick to ridicule others on what girls they find attractive, you have not posted ONE photo. All you do is talk the talk.

Incidentally, I loved this gem in one of your previous posts:

"I know pretty and Pattaya aint a pretty town girlswise. I've never been there though."

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1429279]I am very much enjoying Sir Lancelot's reports, which are well-written and provide useful information. Looking forward to future installments as well.

With regard to the session at Nataree, was the blowjob bareback or with condom?

I ask because lots of gents have reported the girls at Nataree insist on using a condom during blowjobs, something that is a deal-breaker for me. If Amy used a condom and Sir Lancelot still enjoyed himself, good on him. But if she blew him bareback I'd like to know. If that's the case, did he arrange for a BBBJ in advance with the girl? Or perhaps the papasan?

Bunky[/QUOTE]Firstly thank you very much for the compliment, I'm really glad you are enjoying it. I've just posted several days of my diary in the Siem Reap thread and I'm just about to start posting on the Phnom Penh page.

Regarding Nataree, sadly Amy gave me a covered blowjob (I should have mentioned it in my report). Aside from that, it was a surprisingly good effort for someone who looked so young and innocent. I'd take a girl especially if I knew she could deepthroat and Amy came quite close! But I don't think it's a Nataree policy because later in the trip I went back and met a really great girl who gave me an uncovered blowjob, firstly in the bath and then on the bed.

When you go to Nataree, an elderly papasan will walk you around and introduce you to the girls. He's quite a character and will say things like 'this one tall' or 'this girl big boobs'. He's not a shy man, so I'm sure you could state your preferences to him and he will be able to recommend a girl.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1429208]See you at 6 pm. I will be smoking a cigar in front. Could not respond to your message, your box is full.[/QUOTE]See you outside in a mist of cigarsmokes next Friday. My inbox full sorry about that.

[QUOTE=Linkwray666;1429051]As mentioned in my long ass report, not bad, not really great, some nice moments and fantasies fulfilled. PM if you would like more info or just look them up on Craigslist. Apple looks a little cuter in these pics than she did in real life, hmmm, Pam does too.[/QUOTE]Quite unusual thai girl-on-girl action. Chapeau!

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1429215]The price police here again. Really guys, its misleading to say lt is availabe with PERFECT girls for 3k.

I would love to see what a 2500 long time girl fromm nana looks like. LOL. Sometimes I wish I went for these unpopular types. LOL.[/QUOTE]As in a monger situation you and me will never get the perfect girls. Them you have to work upon due to normal hookups through friends, colleagues and its like. My Siemens girl is in my point of view almost perfect reaching a high 9 out of 10 beeing around 170cm and have very very pale skin to be thai. She is educated in Swiss as her doc parents could send her away. Her BMW530D makes her even more sexy, hehe, as I like a bromming car with great powers. But we will never find her in mongernightclubs.

I never stated perfect I stated "PERFECT" girl meaning perfect from a monger point of view. The realy perfect ones they despites everything lower Suk has to offer and will hardly even BTS the way passed. So Harold you be precise when you quote ok"""""" and """"".

A month later

Girl is so impressive. Speaks 6 languages and has over 10 businesses but she gets absolutely no dick.

We see Hangover 3 at Siam Paragon which I liked a lot better then part 2. Saw fast & furious 6 there last week. Get your ass over there. It's better then your local theater and a few bucks cheaper. You'll also see the very hottest girls in Thailand and if you are a boss like me you can flirt with educated Thai girls in the English section of the book store.

Bring her to the crib afterwards and this just ain't going to happen. I got hairs of half the girls of Thailand laying around, a naked pic out in the open. My room mine as well be a 3rd world brothel so I drop $50 and check out this hope land hotel near me. On arrival, check out the local Phra Khanong bar I was curious about and happy. Got her to pay for my salmon and lipton. Big boss lady tries to get me to be her little boy toy pussy munching ***** like some of the few experiences she's had the last decade and her other rich girlfriends have but I'm not having that. I give her a small sample just to get my dick and balls in her mouth which is far from easy. If anything is going to be the boss of my dick it's her tonsils. Fuck her and first nut is hilarious. What a fucking amateur this 35 why / o lady is. I bust on her stomach and she starts gagging. Guess she gave it a good sniff. I'm laughing my fucking ass off. I go sleep for 6 hours and she stays awake the whole time next to me doing nothing like a dumby.

In the morning treat the breakfast buffet like her pussy. No mercy; ham, sausage, eggs, yogurt, waffle, pineapple juice, coffee and burn it all off on her when I return to the room. This must be a winning formula because I fuck her face off and blow an even larger 2nd load on her the next time. Girl actually tries to schedule me in her work week once a week to fuck her. Her sex actually annoys the fuck out of me. Constantly yapping about the dumbest shit although a few times she throws in some funny 1 liners "you are taking me to heaven" "you like Asian pussy" She schedules our fuck sessions in 2 days. Little does she know if she wants this dick again she is going to pay. I'm flipping the script and charging her 2k short time and not budging. We will see how she reacts. Can guarantee hilarity will ensue.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1429215]The price police here again. Really guys, its misleading to say lt is availabe with PERFECT girls for 3k.

I would love to see what a 2500 long time girl fromm nana looks like. LOL. Sometimes I wish I went for these unpopular types. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes I am agreeing. I wish I could just put a bag over her head so I could fuck anything breathing. My dick just would not even stir with the worst ugly and irritating girls. Once we get used to nice looking girls that perform well, how can we go back to ordinary looking ones?

A girl that goes for rock bottom prices is either not in much demand, or an amateur who doesn't know the going rate, or just plain stupid. Maybe she goes cheap because she has the hots for the customer. LOL (Just joking) The difference between the ordinary girls and the very busy in demand girls is fairly significant. I am prepared to take some only moderately busy girls as not everyone's taste is the same as mine. I don't require big tits to have a good time but do take big naturals for variety. Others I like can be difficult to get to. Then it's make bookings to avoid disappointment. I don't have the time to waste on a long hunt either. I want to go the place and grab the girl relatively quickly.

E. G. Gaew is not working at Pink. Okay I am simply not going there then. She is the hot one.

Others have a completely different style of operation where the hunt is more important, and striving to get bottom dollar is important while spending expensively on things other than the sex.

[QUOTE=Linkwray666;1429047]I am back in the US after an 8 day stay in Thailand. I am a newbie to LOS (second trip) but not to mongering, have spent lots of time and money over the years on P4P in PI, Europe, Canada, Mexico, and US. Here is my recent Bangkok experience.[/QUOTE]Nice reporting [B]Linkwray666[/B] I was in Bangkok and Pattaya the same time as you, and walked a very similar path visiting many of the same places. You know of what you speak. Looking forward to hearing about your Pattaya experiences.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Harold444;1429536]Prices my friend! You can tell a lot by observing prices![/QUOTE]You are a marketing mans dream. I can imagine you walking in to a car showroom and being talked in to buying the exact same car as your neighbour for twice the price. You'll park your car in your drive with a smug look on your face but who is the winner here? Certainly not you, it's your neighbour and the garage owner. This is an analogy by the way.

Joking aside, it's a naive comment, Do you know what 'supply and demand' is and how it might affect prices? Do you understand how the industry works and how the prettiest girls don't just magically appear on the stage of the top gogo bar on their arrival in Bangkok? Do you realise that the same girls you pay 2000/2500 for from a gogo bar can be found freelancing in Nana Liquid for half the price? Same girl, different price.

Regarding Pattaya, I'd just like to remind you that you posted a comment telling someone that there are no pretty girls in Pattaya before amusingly confessing that you have never been.

It proves that you have strong opinions on things you know nothing about. I have just got back from a week in Pattaya and there are lots of gorgeous girls, in my opinion far prettier than those in Rainbow 2 where you seem to limit yourself to. I will provide photographic evidence when I post my diary on the Pattaya thread. In fact one of the prettiest girls I have ever been with was bar-fined from a beer-bar for far cheaper than the Bangkok gogo bars. Have you ever been to Philippines? Indonesia? There are some seriously pretty girls over there for a fraction of the price of Bangkok. But using your skewed logic they couldn't possibly be as pretty because they're cheaper.

I soon of to Bangkok and I am sooo looking forward to it!

I'm going 10 days all alone.

I want to be able to get girls in some way all 24/7 but were to go in what time?

I am aming for 3-4 different girls every day.

Between 10 in the morning and all day up to dinner at 6-7 a clock were to go?

Between dinner and maybe until 22-23 in the evening were to go?

And between 22-23 in the evening to 02 pm maybe were to go?

I think like this and you correct me if I am wrong.

In the mornings and in the middle of day maybe the best places are to visit BJ bars or massage parlors?

After dinner and until lets say 22-23 maybe the go-go bars or places like nataree?

And after 22-23 maybe still go-gobars or FL to take for LT?

I want to tra MANY places and MANY girls on my 10 days in BKK.

Hope you can help me to get the most out of every hour every day!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1429344]Don't be so hard on the girls. 18-22 year olds. They don't really to cathc hepatitis, etc before their lives have even begun! You want unprotected go to the nasty places.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't worry about it, all children in Thailand as matter of course are vacinated against Hep B, maybe they know they may turn into cock suckers later in life.

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1429279]With regard to the session at Nataree, was the blowjob bareback or with condom?

I ask because lots of gents have reported the girls at Nataree insist on using a condom during blowjobs, something that is a deal-breaker for me.[/QUOTE]I was at Nataree late in May and received nice BBBJ from a fishbowl girl, did not experience sideliners there so do not know whether they do BBBJ as well. Reports seem to indicate YMMV.

Nataree Papa was very helpful and informative, ask him RE: BBBJ options and if he says no I suppose move on (Tho I do not care for covered BJ some of the Nataree sideliners are so lovely I would happily sacrifice going bare to enjoy a romp with them).

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1429627]You are a marketing mans dream. I can imagine you walking in to a car showroom and being talked in to buying the exact same car as your neighbour for twice the price. You'll park your car in your drive with a smug look on your face but who is the winner here? Certainly not you, it's your neighbour and the garage owner. This is an analogy by the way.

Joking aside, it's a naive comment, Do you know what 'supply and demand' is and how it might affect prices? Do you understand how the industry works and how the prettiest girls don't just magically appear on the stage of the top gogo bar on their arrival in Bangkok? Do you realise that the same girls you pay 2000/2500 for from a gogo bar can be found freelancing in Nana Liquid for half the price? Same girl, different price.[/QUOTE]That's not true. Sure, in the freelance joints there are gogo girls trying to get extra money, but not the superstars which is what I assume you mean by prettiest girls.

[QUOTE=Marky1;1429845]That's not true. Sure, in the freelance joints there are gogo girls trying to get extra money, but not the superstars which is what I assume you mean by prettiest girls.[/QUOTE]I'm not suggesting all girls obviously. I always talk to the girls I bar-fine and in almost all cases they're just looking to make as much money as quickly as they can (and good look to them). It seems to me that the gogo girls in Thailand prefer short-time liaisons now more than ever, presumably so they can go back to their bar (either to snare another customer or get lots more lady-drinks) or try their luck elsewhere, like the discos.

I posted a report recently on this page in which I met a very pretty girl from Shark, in my opinion the standout girl I'd seen all night on Soi Cowboy. I took her for short-time and afterwards she told me that she was going to Nana Liquid. She quoted me 2500 baht in Shark but immediately accepted my counter-offer of 2000. So with the bar-fine plus two lady-drinks she cost me nearly 3000 baht. Had I taken her from the disco later in the night, it would have probably cost me half price. She might have even stayed all night too.

I've experienced lots of girls like her. I met a pretty girl in a massage parlour in Pattaya recently and she told me that she went to discos every night. She got 1000 baht per customer in the massage parlour (out of 2200 baht) and she told me that she charges 1000 or 1500 baht short-time in the disco depending on whether she likes the guy!

She also told me that she plans to be in the industry for two years before returning to her province and using the proceeds to set up a salon. In these two years she's going to work as hard as she can and make as much money as she can. A lot of that work won't be in the massage parlour. The same applies to Joy, the girl from Shark.

[quote=sir lancelot; 1429627]do you understand how the industry works and how the prettiest girls don't just magically appear on the stage of the top gogo bar on their arrival in bangkok? do you realise that the same girls you pay 2000/2500 for from a gogo bar can be found freelancing in nana liquid for half the price? same girl, different price.[/quote]nana liquid? not trying to dispute what you're saying, but i peeked my nose in there one or two times and all that was to be found were a few derelict sex tourists and just a few girls- if their looks were a batting average, would be hovering the mendoza line lol.

many of the better looking gogo dancers will go to scratchdog on soi 20 or sometimes insanity and climax.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1429866]No I didn't realize 2500 rainbow girls go for half at nana liquid. I can surmise the girls who don't have customers working rainbow go to nana liquid and get 1250.

I f you found lots of gorgeous girls in Pattaya-good for you!

Sub saharian hookers go for a burger and a bowl of rice-whats your point. You can't compare thai prices to pilipinos or indos.[/QUOTE]And why can't there be a comparison? But it is okay for you to make a comparison of women and prices somewhere you have never been (Pattaya) to the women and prices of Bangkok. As if when a girl goes to the bus station in her home town there is some judge there saying,"You are a stunner. You must go on the bus to Rainbow in Bangkok where they will pay 2500. You are ugly. You must go on the bus to Beach Road in Pattaya where they will pay 500." The shit just doesn't happen. There are women from every category in every venue. You are paying for the ambiance, not the girl. For your favorite girl from Rainbow whom you happily pay 2500 may just as well go for 200 in her hometown brothel. And that is comparing Thailand with Thailand and not PI or Indo as you said could not be done.

[quote=tony hoeprano; 1430035]nana liquid? not trying to dispute what you're saying, but i peeked my nose in there one or two times and all that was to be found were a few derelict sex tourists and just a few girls- if their looks were a batting average, would be hovering the mendoza line lol.

many of the better looking gogo dancers will go to scratchdog on soi 20 or sometimes insanity and climax.[/quote]nana liquid is owned by the same guys who run nana plaza and manage many of the go-gos there. so in fact a number of the girls went to nl after work finished at 2am at the behest of their boss. but i am pretty sure nl has been shut down for business for about a month. something to do with closing times being shortened and not making it possible to be profitable. i went a couple of times a few months back and saw a few go-go girls hanging out. but that doesn't much matter any more. i am sure many go-go girls break the rules but in theory they are not suppose to go trafficking for dick after work as it would allow guys to just wait till closing time to make a deal. they can be fired if caught out, but with the shortage of good looking girls in the go-gos these days i can't imagine they are fired for anything short of multiple homicides.

[QUOTE=Marky1;1429845]That's not true. Sure, in the freelance joints there are gogo girls trying to get extra money, but not the superstars which is what I assume you mean by prettiest girls.[/QUOTE]Neither you or me do have all the answers. Sure you find stunners in freelancejoints not wanting to be under managment and run they own freetime and "worktime". Superstars, what we mean about that? The movie stars, FHM models lookalike? Well even so most of us will never meet them no matter where we go and superstars we will probably not run into if we are not well connected, well heeled and good looking our self. I believe superstar inside this sites means the most beautiful girls as in Sir L report. And maby even most beautiful girl he ever encountered? We are all different in our likings. Go Go girls are by far not the most beautiful girls in the monger world. You have G-clubs, hi so escort service and certain normal nightclubs but some are of course on a look for a sugardaddy or golddiggers. But I don't think Sir L meant superstars like in the real superstars.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1430097]Nana Liquid is owned by the same guys who run Nana Plaza and manage many of the go-gos there. I am sure many go-go girls break the rules but in theory they are not suppose to go trafficking for dick after work as it would allow guys to just wait till closing time to make a deal. They can be fired if caught out, but with the shortage of good looking girls in the go-gos these days I can't imagine they are fired for anything short of multiple homicides.[/QUOTE]The rules might set for principles but I do doubt they can be enforced. If they do not go to NL they go elsewhere, and it is plenty of options, or they can FL just a bit off lower Sukh. NEP owners cannot spread their own investigation team around the town chasing their own girls. Go imagine even recongnizing them: we talk about maybe 200 or more still on duty at closing time. What if a girl who has been BFat 11 pr midnight is happy with the ST she earned and sets herself free on the FL market or. In a club? Maybe does not happen often as I think they get a cut off the BF so are ecnomically interested to go back to the gogo for another pick up.

We also know some girls do BF themselves for ahving a night out of their own (whatever they do, then)

[quote=bionicman; 1430155]the rules might set for principles but i do doubt they can be enforced. if they do not go to nl they go elsewhere, and it is plenty of options, or they can fl just a bit off lower sukh. nep owners cannot spread their own investigation team around the town chasing their own girls. go imagine even recongnizing them: we talk about maybe 200 or more still on duty at closing time. what if a girl who has been bfat 11 pr midnight is happy with the st she earned and sets herself free on the fl market or. in a club? maybe does not happen often as i think they get a cut off the bf so are ecnomically interested to go back to the gogo for another pick up.

we also know some girls do bf themselves for ahving a night out of their own (whatever they do, then) [/quote]true but that does not take into account the legendary bangkok grapevine. rule no 1. there are no secrets in bangkok. gossip is an art form here. it is also an industry. believe me, if a go-go girl was freelancing on a continuous basis she would be seen and it would be reported to the mamasan of her bar by some co-worker who was pissed at her or just because information is power. nothing goes unseen here. there is always a friend of a friend of a friend smsing some girl that you are in the house. the cia has nothing on these girls.

whoa, watch it! that was the bi-monthly tuesday nite bangkok thread meeting. careful or you'll be voted off the island.

[quote=tony hoeprano;1430035]but i peeked my nose in there one or two times and all that was to be found were a few derelict sex tourists[/quote]

[QUOTE=Linkwray666;1429047]Sorry if this report is too long. All in all a great trip, I am already planning the next one. Will be staying much longer next time, at least 2 and possibly 3 weeks.[/QUOTE]Haven't read such a complete and informative report in a while. Well done.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1430002]I will now use the Ignore Button in respect of NeverGetsOld. Suggest others do likewise. End of subject for me.[/QUOTE]If only it was that easy, I'd use it more often. I have that cockroach "Harold444" on [i]ignore mode[/i] For years now but the insect keeps showing up everytime someone quotes him. He's like a bad case of Herpes, he always keeps coming back.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1430267]If only it was that easy, I'd use it more often. I have that cockroach "Harold444" on [i]ignore mode[/i] For years now but the insect keeps showing up everytime someone quotes him. He's like a bad case of Herpes, he always keeps coming back.[/QUOTE]Bump ++++++++

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1430258]Haven't read such a complete and informative report in a while. Well done.[/QUOTE]A huge compliment coming from one of my favorite contributors here.

Thank you sir.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2; 1429531]Nice reporting [B]Linkwray666[/B] I was in Bangkok and Pattaya the same time as you, and walked a very similar path visiting many of the same places. You know of what you speak. Looking forward to hearing about your Pattaya experiences.

SunLover[/QUOTE]Thank you for the kind words, I have learned a lot here and am happy to finally be able to contribute something.

Will try to do the Pattaya report this week, not so much to report there as I only stayed one day.

[QUOTE=Linkwray666;1429047]I am back in the US after an 8 day stay in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Dammit. Such a long winded report and I still managed to leave out something RE: freelancers.

Hunting was good at Nana Car Park of course, delicious fish in a barrel. Also easy to find some really nice gems walking Sukhumvit Road from Nana BTS to Asok BTS heading to and from Soi Cowboy, sampled on various nights of the week between 10PM and 12Midnite or so. A large concentration of ladies with at least one or two lookers in front of Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel / Thermae at all times I visited, also found a couple of super friendly beauties amongst the many many ladies in the few blocks between Thermae and Asok / Ratchadaphisek. Taking a casual stroll there the ladies approached me one after another, a nice low pressure / low cost smorgasbord of womanflesh. All types here, from the most plain to the girl next door to cute and sassy ones to some real hotties to a few truly gorgeous ones and prices are generally "up to you". I did not visit this area late night but would guess there might be many more to choose from just after Soi Cowboy shuts down, similar to NCP at closing time?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1430066]As if when a girl goes to the bus station in her home town there is some judge there saying,"You are a stunner. You must go on the bus to Rainbow in Bangkok where they will pay 2500. You are ugly. You must go on the bus to Beach Road in Pattaya where they will pay 500." The shit just doesn't happen.[/QUOTE]Precisely. When girls gravitate towards a city, they take time to find their feet and perhaps to realise their own worth. People who think that the prettiest girls are magically fast-tracked to the top bars are extremely naive (especially the King of Naive on here). Granted the cream rises to the top but in any pay-for-play scene pretty girls can be found anywhere. I've taken streetwalkers prettier than Rainbow 4 girls I've been with for a third of the price. I bet the girl I went with in the seedy downtown brothel of Jonquera, Philippines, is prettier than most on the stage at Rainbow 2. It's one of the things that makes pay-for-play so exciting, there are so many gems to be found if you are willing to actually look for them.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430121]A manager of a well knwon PATTAYA agogo post photos of his hot staff on another forum. I can see why guys get 1500 long time. LOL[/QUOTE]Oh wait, you've visited a website? I'm sorry, here was me thinking you know nothing about Pattaya. Joking aside, your gem of a comment ("I know pretty and Pattaya aint a pretty town girlswise. I've never been there though") does rather prove the point that you talk a lot about things you know nothing about.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430121]I'm on my way back! You can all look forward to my Rainbow reports. LOL[/QUOTE]I clicked on your name and it seems that pretty much all of your 195 posts are utter nonsense that add absolutely nothing to the forum. But now you're on your way back to Bangkok, why not post a detailed report and some photos for once? All you do is talk the talk, it's time to walk the walk.

Also, dare I say it, why not expand your horizons and visit other bars than the Rainbow's? I was recently in Bangkok and the girls on Soi Cowboy were generally prettier in my opinion. The girls in Baccara and Shark were every bit as pretty as those in Rainbow 2 and 4. Another recent contributor said exactly the same thing.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430121]LOL[/QUOTE]As a matter of interest, how old are you?

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1429627]You are a marketing mans dream. I can imagine you walking in to a car showroom and being talked in to buying the exact same car as your neighbour for twice the price. You'll park your car in your drive with a smug look on your face but who is the winner here? Certainly not you, it's your neighbour and the garage owner. This is an analogy by the way.

Joking aside, it's a naive comment, Do you know what 'supply and demand' is and how it might affect prices? Do you understand how the industry works and how the prettiest girls don't just magically appear on the stage of the top gogo bar on their arrival in Bangkok? Do you realise that the same girls you pay 2000/2500 for from a gogo bar can be found freelancing in Nana Liquid for half the price? Same girl, different price.[/QUOTE]I am glad you were joking since no one is picking a girl purely because she is the most expensive, unless off their rocker. Its simply you choose a girl that you like or appeals, and then not always surprised to learn that she is not so cheap. In gogo bars however, I rarely negotiate a price. It seems that it is expected I will pay fairly. Even my most recent Baccarat girl who could not remember me from a previous year when I went with her, did not negotiate the short time price.

Okay true the prices do vary by location. A girl who cannot stand the idea of working in a regimented gogo bar even if free-lancing could go for less in her chosen free-lancing environment. Why she would want to go for half price is a little hard to understand, other than as you say too many girls and not enough customers. Once girls know they are well above average they will start charging above average though, unless they are too shy to do so.

I am certainly used to the best lookers in Soapies being generally significantly more expensive than the plain Janes.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]A few Truly gorgeous ones doing street level work? Could have been ladeeboys-some are Truly gorgeous.[/QUOTE]There were plenty of Lady Boys mixed in with the real girls as there are in all the other areas I visited in Bangkok, I was not talking about the Lady Boys.

Thank you for letting us know you find Lady Boys gorgeous but they are not for me and likely of no interest to most of the others here.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]Sorry I just don't buy into that. LOL.[/QUOTE]Wasn't selling anything, just reporting on my experiences and suggesting this area might be worth a look for those adventurous types in search of freelancers as I had good luck there.

Take a look or don't, it won't bother me either way.

By the way, what is your preferred location for picking up hot B1000 freelancers?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]And to top it of they leave price UP 2 U. LOL. Thos e who use this line are usually not that in demand and hoping for guy to way overpay![/QUOTE]Any guy can overpay or not, it is truly "Up to you". I choose to not overpay, how about you? Never gave a BKK freelancer more than B1000. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]I'm in bed at 2am.[/QUOTE]Sorry, didn't mean to disturb your sleep.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]I think whats available on the streets I s what you find in the bars and massage parlours less the hot and desireable ones. LOL. In other words those who were on display for 5 hours and had no takers. LOL.[/QUOTE]You sure "LOL" a lot.

I remember one post from you a month or so back where you did not "LOL". I was shocked! No joke.

Nice speculation on your part, but if you are in bed at 2AM you will never really know, will you? I was only recommending that someone might want to take a look, if you have no desire to do so no problem, you seem to have the whole BKK thing worked out to your satisfaction, congratulations to you and enjoy your experiences as you see fit.

Hmmm, by "in bed at 2AM" do you mean in bed sleeping? Because if you mean you are in bed fucking I have to add that while in Thailand I was generally in bed at 1PM.

And at 4PM.

And also at around 6PM.

And again at 10 PM.

And sometimes at 2AM.

Plus or minus an hour or two in any direction on any given day.

My report was based on my visit to Bangkok during low season and at that time most of the bars I went to (and high end massage places like Nataree since you mentioned massage places) had more than 10 girls for every guy in the place. Baccara probably had 30 girls for every guy. I think with this kind of man to woman ratio there will be plenty of girls who do not get picked, and at bars like Baccara and Shark where there are lots of good looking women it would seem many of the hot ones might end up not getting picked on any given evening. My guess was maybe the girls in Soi Cowboy would spill into a nearby area after closing, just a guess and any additional input based on your experience is welcome.

If you have valid intel on where the unpicked hotties go after Shark and Baccara close please do share with the rest of us as I am sure it would be useful info for many of us and greatly appreciated, if they do not fill the area surrounding Cowboy as happens at Nana Plaza then by all means tell us all where. If it is inconceivable that they might pour into the surrounding area Nana Car Park style I understand, but where do they go? Tell us, Harold, for the love of GOD, PLEASE TELL US!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]I walk between nana bts and asok all the time at various times of the day-not once have i seen a walker of the street who is anything i would want to pay for.lol[/QUOTE]Did not walk that area during the day, only 10PM to Midnite. Probably the same hours you spend at Rainbow 4 pining away for your regular barfine / crush.

Have you EVER seen a street walker in Bangkok that you were willing to pay for? Any beautiful ones? Any that were at least cute? Where did you see them? This would be useful information that some of us would be interested in, so please do share some of your knowledge. You seem to spend a lot of time in Bangkok, you must have tons of useful information to share with the rest of the class.

So you have never seen a FL on Suk you would be willing to pay for, I did not see anything in Rainbow 4 I was willing to pay for, I think we may call the rule of "to each their own" into play here and move on, although I bet if you showed me the 2 or 3 girls at Rainbow 4 you thought were beautiful and if I showed you the 2 or 3 FLs I found among the hundreds on Suk that I thought were beautiful I would bet we might find some common ground.

For the record, I did see a couple of great looking girls at Rainbow 4 (though not nearly as many as at Shark and Baccara) and went there mostly because you are constantly writing about the place. Did not take anyone from Rainbow 4 or any bar because of the high prices and was able to find ladies just as lovely in both NCP and on Suk. If you have not had the same experience I understand and empathize, but surely you realize that just because you have never seen or experienced something does not mean it does not exist?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430313]I respect all opinions.lool. .[/QUOTE]I am sure you respect the opinions of others exactly as much as others here respect your opinions.

Feed a pigeon, it will be back day after day dropping it's disgusting parasitical waste, and then it LOL. Stop doing so if you want said pigeon to migrate elsewhere. LOL.

Our former Mayor Livingstone, London, adopted this policy and it resolved the issue.

[QUOTE=Linkwray666; 1430305]Dammit. Such a long winded report and I still managed to leave out something RE: freelancers.

Hunting was good at Nana Car Park of course, delicious fish in a barrel. Also easy to find some really nice gems walking Sukhumvit Road from Nana BTS to Asok BTS heading to and from Soi Cowboy, sampled on various nights of the week between 10PM and 12Midnite or so. A large concentration of ladies with at least one or two lookers in front of Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel / Thermae at all times I visited, also found a couple of super friendly beauties amongst the many many ladies in the few blocks between Thermae and Asok / Ratchadaphisek. Taking a casual stroll there the ladies approached me one after another, a nice low pressure / low cost smorgasbord of womanflesh. All types here, from the most plain to the girl next door to cute and sassy ones to some real hotties to a few truly gorgeous ones and prices are generally "up to you". I did not visit this area late night but would guess there might be many more to choose from just after Soi Cowboy shuts down, similar to NCP at closing time?[/QUOTE]Quality freelancers can definitely be found. I stayed in Nana Hotel. Not the best hotel but the location is great and I liked walking past the freelancers in the car-park whenever I went anywhere. Most are quite rough of course but I saw some surprisingly nice ones. One evening I wanted to take a photo of the new Nana Plaza sign for my diary but when I zoomed in I noticed that I had also snapped various freelancers in the car-park. It's not the best photo but the girl in the leopard-print top was pretty. She was young, had a nice body and if you put her on stage in Rainbow 4 with a 2500 price on her head, the class clown would be drooling!

No tips for me on this subject?

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1429742]I soon of to Bangkok and I am sooo looking forward to it!

I'm going 10 days all alone.

I want to be able to get girls in some way all 24/7 but were to go in what time...[/QUOTE]

Anyone knows what happends behind he curtins in the private booths?

It cost 400bath to go in there whit a girl but you get any in there or you can just tuch them or what?

Anyone here tried it?

[QUOTE=Noddy; 1430385]Feed a pigeon, it will be back day after day dropping it's disgusting parasitical waste, and then it LOL. Stop doing so if you want said pigeon to migrate elsewhere. LOL.

Our former Mayor Livingstone, London, adopted this policy and it resolved the issue.[/QUOTE]As I recall the good Mayor also used birds of prey to tear the pigeons limb from limb and some say he used poison as well. I like the idea of feeding them things that make them explode as this seems to be good fun, and if you can simply blow their little minds and render them incapacitated that is always pretty neat too. Or maybe it would be more entertaining to just laugh at the silly pigeons until they leave voluntarily?

Just having some fun, and point well taken.

Erm, unless I am the pigeon in question, in which case I shall try to be more careful where I leave my droppings.

Question:

Do they give BBBJ in SOL or are they always covered?

Johnie,

Fellow Monger.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1430267]If only it was that easy, I'd use it more often. I have that cockroach "Harold444" on [i]ignore mode[/i] For years now but the insect keeps showing up everytime someone quotes him. He's like a bad case of Herpes, he always keeps coming back.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. But I guess actually herpes are more easy to keep down atleast compare to this H444. He will never go away. If he goes away from his carecenter I guess some nurse or his mother steps in.

I am Indian. Working in Middle East. Today I am starting about my trip to LOS. There are 3 reasons for that.

First, I have seen mongering scene at Bahrain, Dubai, Delhi and Kathmandu. With my apologies to all most of blogs / websites and forums seems more biased and full of information by interested parties possibly attached to hotel and tourism industries.

Secondly there is lot of racial remarks. Stinky, clumsy, cheap Charlie Indian. I had not found so in Middle East or Indian subcontinent. I went to Thailand. I was expecting that lots of girls and gogo bars will refuse to entertain me.

Thirdly you tube / forums and blogs are farang dominated. Internet is not monopoly of farangs; lots of Asian, Indian Iranian and Pakistanis do go and want to learn from net.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430469]As I get into BKK late evening, I may just do some street window shopping to see whats available in the wee hours. So many guys say hotties available on the streets for 1000 baht it must be TRUE! Or maybe ill go to a Rainbow and bargain the hell out of a hot girl. LOL.[/QUOTE]They are out there, you will have to walk around a bit which honestly sucks in the heat and you have to keep your eyes open but in my experience / opinion there were 2-3 keepers out of the hundreds I saw on the street each night.

Worth it if you enjoy the hunt, I enjoy walking and looking for hidden gems even if I do not find any but yes it is much easier fish-in-a-barrel hunting if you just go to a nice air conditioned bar, sip an overpriced drink and pay the extra money for the barfine. As I mentioned earlier, on my next trip I will be focusing more on bargirls and will probably take them from Shark, Baccara, and Rainbow.

I love the thrill of finding a bargain, but if there were none I found worth doing on the street of course I would have paid the extra money and taken the girls in the bars, I am not exactly a Cheapie Charlie (I do not haggle, I am happy to spend money on the girls who I have been advised will be amazing performers at places like Snow White and Devil's Den, I tip well when it is well deserved) but I also see no point in being a Wasteful Wally and overpaying for something that is available just outside the bar doors (or within a short walk) for far less.

You may call me Thrifty Theodore.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1430736]I am Indian. Working in Middle East. Today I am starting about my trip to LOS. There are 3 reasons for that.

First, I have seen mongering scene at Bahrain, Dubai, Delhi and Kathmandu. With my apologies to all most of blogs / websites and forums seems more biased and full of information by interested parties possibly attached to hotel and tourism industries.

Secondly there is lot of racial remarks. Stinky, clumsy, cheap Charlie Indian. I had not found so in Middle East or Indian subcontinent. I went to Thailand. I was expecting that lots of girls and gogo bars will refuse to entertain me.

Thirdly you tube / forums and blogs are farang dominated. Internet is not monopoly of farangs; lots of Asian, Indian Iranian and Pakistanis do go and want to learn from net.[/QUOTE]Welcome to ISG. We are a rather eclectic group. Mongering is about the only thing we all have in common. You'll encounter some great guys and some total a$$holes; most of us fall somewhere in between these two extremes. We fight, bicker, insult and occasionally try to be helpful to one another. Looking forward to your perspective and contributions to the forum.

If you're diligent about RTFF (taking everything you read with a grain of salt) and ask intelligent questions, you will learn a great deal on this forum and have a much more enjoyable time in Thailand.

Unless you ask for it covered it would always be BBBJ and then some.

[QUOTE=Johnie; 1430452]Question:

Do they give BBBJ in SOL or are they always covered?

Johnie,

Fellow Monger.[/QUOTE]

i reached bangkok airport at6. 10 pm. tourist visa on arrival was easy. mainly they were interested in hotel bookings and air ticket of return. unfortunately my checked in baggage was left at abu dhabi. eithad airways help desk promised to deliver my luggage early morning or even earlier at my place of stay. i had planned to stay at dormitory accommodation in a hostel very close to nana area. it was my first night and new place and idea was to look around and sleep. i took free map at airport and reached makkasan. airport express. by mrt link at petchaburi and i reached sukhumvit station. with no luggage in my hand and passport. 1000 baht and 900 us dollars and 2 debit cards i walked along odd side of road towards soi 1. there were girls around but nothing impressive. close to bts nana and soi 7, soi 5 there was more variety. girls at welcome massage centre and adjoining areas looked pretty. of course lady boys were more attractive. at my hostel, atmosphere was good. cozy, homely and smiling receptionist. i was alone in dormitory. i took quick bath and was on road with my plan to hit first saphan kwai. i strolled to bts nana. on the way i checked nep. it was around 9 pm. lot of hustle bustle. people entering gogo bars but i did not find anyone coming out with bargirls. more like tourists visiting. maximum crowd was at rainbow 2. heavy make up on girls and ladyboys. no one smiling and girls with attitude. i found in thailand if girl has nothing to do then she starts eating. at ground floor, vodoo, one girl was standing outside. she held my hand and wanted me to barfine her. i think 1500 + 700. she said she had accommodation and car. she was not bad looking 7/10. i left nep in 15 minutes. 2 reasons. recently i had read in? stickman weekly blog that bar girls will hardly spend 10 to 15 minutes and people coming out of st hotels as if they have been cheated. secondly as indian we run after fair color. most of girls were tanned or medium color. i was not stopped in any bar for entering and peeping.

politely refusing ladyboys on way and i got digits from 3 girls for possible calling them to my hotel which i had booked for next day. one from nana hotel car parking another from corner of soi3. there were 4to 5 african girl. i have seen many beautiful sexy girls from africa in dubai. after changing money in soi 7, i took train to saphan kwai. first i hit rainbow and one opposite it with only thai script. then i went to ted 99 and harleem. rainbow had got beautiful girls but language was big barrier. i drank one beer with one girl. damage 320 baht. one who could speak english was not of my taste. the bar which had no english sign had some stunners. rather all were above average. 6to8. the mamas an knew english and i requested for a young beautiful girl. close to perfect. after 15 minutes i asked about st. mammasan told me 2200. i had some different information. later on i felt the girl is not comfortable in my company so told her to leave with drink in hand. another girl was sent and she spoke english. i spent 30 minutes with her. she was average looking. she gave me her mobile number and agreed to come to my hotel next day at 2 pm. after visiting other 2 dance bars, i left saphan kwai at 12 night. paid 200 to taxi to drop me close to grace hotel

hit town at midnight. was well rested after 17 hours in business class. got a fastrack pass for immigration, but did not need it. from my first foot of the plane to my hotel on soi 6, it only took 50 minutes.

there was no line at immigration. the agents were actually waiting for passengers.

no traffic at all on highway to nana. taxi was only 255 b.

after check in hit [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. bbbj and fucked her in the booth.

then picked up a nana sw for lt. nice gal with blond hair pam age 28 from korat. good fuck and she loved to cuddle. she was out the door at 0830.

again hit up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. one of my faves. was there. bbbj, fucked her in the booth.

had some breakfast and went to soi 11. met nin age 27 down the hallway (the first set of mp's from suk) at the last mp on the right very shy girl. no massage got right to the action. had a great time.

got some work done at the hotel. had some lunch. then took skytrain to tulip's. i love tulip's. beautiful girl age 28 with great jlo ass rocked my world.

all sessions have been bareback. 4 of the 5 cum in pussy.

i love this place so much. i am so excited about the next 2 weeks.

motto for the trip: lick it, eat it, fuck it, cum inside it!

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1430790]I reached Bangkok Airport at6. 10 pm. I left Saphan Kwai at 12 night. Paid 200 to taxi to drop me close to Grace hotel[/QUOTE]Pretty much detailed report of a first time visitor. Showing that RTFF helps in conscious buying, or not buying. Those 200 baht seem a lot to me for a BKK ride, even at midnight.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1430424]I like you man.

30 girls for each horny guy in baccara? 50 guys in baccara would mean 1500 girls? Good god! You really don't need to exxagerate to make points.[/QUOTE]Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no way there were anywhere near 50 guys in Baccara (or any other bar in Soi Cowboy) when I was there in late May, maybe I went on a slow night or at the wrong hour (I was only at Baccara for maybe 30 minutes tops) but there were TONS of women and hardly any customers. If 30 women to 1 man (including the girls upstairs on the glass ceiling) is a generous estimate based on the time I spent there it is not off by much.

Why don't you pop by Baccara next Monday or Tuesday evening around 10PM or 11PM and give us an accurate up to the minute headcount of both men and women in attendance, though of little interest to most here surely it would be of far greater value than speculating on what business might or might not have been like on the days you weren't there.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430424]Please leave shark out. Any place that has happy hour knows they are not top tier bar. LOL.[/QUOTE]I mentioned Shark because they had (IMO) the highest ratio of hot ladies versus average / cute etc. At the times I visited, also some of the sexiest and friendliest ladies I met in Bangkok. Don't care what tier they are in, had fun there, saw some rather lovely ladies, will be back.


[QUOTE=Harold444;1430424]God bless you if you find top Rainbow quality girls on the mean streets for 1k. .[/QUOTE]

You know what they say, the good lord helps those who help themselves. You will certainly never find any hotties in the street by NOT looking for them. Find them or don't, I wish you well in whatever you choose to pursue. But just remember the old saying about those who say something can't be done being interrupted by those who are doing it.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430424]My fav. Ex. Is Spunkys-highly recommended by some- total nudity but no where is it packed, and it is occupies a very small space. Girls just not that hot. Ugly girls naked draws shit. LOL.[/QUOTE]Spunky's? Never heard of the place. Sounds gross. As I recall there was full nude and lesbian shows at Suzy Wong, saw it once and see no reason to ever go back, was not attracted to a single lady in the place.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430424]Its not just me who thinks Rain. And Big B has hot girls.[/QUOTE]Definitely not just you, I agree, there were some hot ones at Rainbow and Bacarra and I doubt any red blooded heterosexual man could see the hotter girls at those places and not find them extremely attractive. You are preaching to the choir, son.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430424]Happy hour is the only time I go to sharks. Not bad value at 70 baht, horrible value at regular price.[/QUOTE]Suddenly you are concerned with saving money?

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1430736]I am Indian. Working in Middle East. Today I am starting about my trip to LOS. There are 3 reasons for that.

First, I have seen mongering scene at Bahrain, Dubai, Delhi and Kathmandu. With my apologies to all most of blogs / websites and forums seems more biased and full of information by interested parties possibly attached to hotel and tourism industries.

Secondly there is lot of racial remarks. Stinky, clumsy, cheap Charlie Indian. I had not found so in Middle East or Indian subcontinent. I went to Thailand. I was expecting that lots of girls and gogo bars will refuse to entertain me.

Thirdly you tube / forums and blogs are farang dominated. Internet is not monopoly of farangs; lots of Asian, Indian Iranian and Pakistanis do go and want to learn from net.[/QUOTE]First of all, no need to apologize. Most blogs have to make some money so they promote their business. Nothing is free.

Secondly, Stinky, and Cheap Charlie Indian are not racist remarks. They are facts. You live in Dubai and you are surrounded by fellow Indians and Arabs. So you are used to their behavior and smells. Believe me, there are Indians who are so disgusting in their manners and attitude, that I would like to send them to a place where sun don't shine. And yes there are stinky Indians. I had the misfortune standing 100 feet downwind of an Indian on a harbor cruise boat in Hong Kong.

Thirdly, internet media is dominated by farangs because they produce better content. Indians just keeps putting their films and film songs on You Tube.

Finally, I have no clue as to why are you coming to LOS. To show that you are better? That's your 3 reasons? Get that chip off your shoulder that an Indian is better than everyone else. Just be a good human being and you will have lots of fun. Sure, there may be some who won't like you (thanks to your fellow Indians) , but don't let that bother you. Remember, if you want to have a GREAT time you will need to establish some relationship with some girls. You will then get a GF Experience. Otherwise, you are just in a working girl bar like anywhere else in the world. You will probably have a good time.

And oh, For 200 B I could take a taxi almost all the way to the airport. Judging by your other report either you are a very savvy traveler or this is not your first visit. Either way you are doing well.

[QUOTE=Johnie; 1430452]Question:

Do they give BBBJ in SOL or are they always covered?

Johnie,

Fellow Monger.[/QUOTE]All BJ bars here give BBBJ, almost never covered.

2 days Back I was getting a BJ inside SOL, when a guy stood at the door with the same Questions you had. Was it you?

LOL

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1430397]Anyone knows what happends behind he curtins in the private booths?

It cost 400bath to go in there whit a girl but you get any in there or you can just tuch them or what?

Anyone here tried it?[/QUOTE]Try and tell us what you can do with the girls inside.

Maybe they give a BJ?

Anyway it is just 400 Bahts, no harm trying

This town will be my end. I have been in town 7 hours and already out 5k for four shots.

I was unable to rest in my dump of a hotel, arabs are shouting it up in the hallways and being dicks like are want to do. Also being bored so why not sleaze it up? Take a chance on a fourth shot. Balls are sore from abuse so the plan was some cheap sleaze entertainment in patpong. Finding a particular place is hell with all the fucking shit in the market being in the way. Wanted to try rose bar as they supposedly had a bigger place than SOL. They do have some more bar seats and a dingy ST room next to the toilets.

Was offered a 90bath drink and they immediately started to sell me on a BJ. They seemed to prefer doing it in the ST room but I would have none of it. Any blowjob was going to be in the bar area or what would the point be? One lady got to work but I was unable to shoot so they sold me on a team effort with 2x ladies. This also did not work so I pulled one of them and requested FS, the other one got jealous but who cares. They were not comfortable with having fucking in the bar area but now I was committed so we took it to the back room. Standard FS with ending in BJ. I'm not shy so I just walked out in the buff to the ladies lavatory to try and wash my junk and hands. Was a feeling to walk the few steps naked in a bar. Damage ended at 2500 bath. 800 BJ fee for lady one. 1200 for FS lady and some tip and drinks. Not cheap some might say but they worked for it believe me.

If only the washington square stuff still existed, I would have loved to experience the nasty bar there.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1430396]No tips for me on this subject?[/QUOTE]Nobody is going to take you by the hand and lead you to 24/7 girls. You're going to have to do the leg work yourself.

RTFF. Post where you'll be staying. Ask specific questions. You'll get better answers.

Oh, and if you're planning on doing 40 girls you'll want to bring plenty of money.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1430870]Ok Theodore!

Don't take me so serious![/QUOTE]Done.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430870]2 or 3 out of hundreds that interest you doesn't help your argument about finding hot girls on the street.[/QUOTE]Obtuse much? Two or Three real high quality gems out of hundreds of girls, that is how treasure hunts work. There were also many who were "do-able", lots of them I would call "cute", a few who were "pretty", many "flawed beauties" lots of "average" and a bunch of "unattractive".

This also describes the mix at most of the bars I visited, a much higher ratio of unattractive and plain on the street of course but walk past them and they are gone, right?

Hmmm, come to think of it,"2 or 3 that interest me out of hundreds I saw" also describes what I found in the bars I visited.

You say you walk that area all the time, pay attention to your surroundings and benefit from the experience or don't, I lose nothing either way.

I am sure you have much, much more to say in your attempt to prove a negative but I am guessing others here might find this entire conversation tiresome and repetitive so I am finished with it.

Carry on, and have fun doing whatever you choose to do!

Sincerely,

Theodore

[QUOTE=Linkwray666;1431121]Hmmm, come to think of it,"2 or 3 that interest me out of hundreds I saw" also describes what I found in the bars I visited.[/QUOTE]Very true. On my recent night out in Nana Plaza I had a shortlist of 2 or 3 girls at the end of the night who I rated as strong bar-fine candidates, out of probably 2 or 3 hundred girls. The same applies for my trip to Soi Cowboy. So to 'only' have 2 or 3 freelancers out of 100 that you think are attractive is pretty good going. It only takes one gem and the effort was worthwhile. One of my prettiest finds was from the street near Nana. In fact one of my prettiest girls ever was from a slum!

Quality can be found. Sometimes it can be like a needle in a haystack but there are undoubtably gems out there. When I was in Pattaya I walked along Beach Road on my way to Walking Street each night. It's funny that people use Beach Road as an example of ugly freelancers (including the Class Clown on here, despite the fact he has never been to Pattaya) but out of the 200 girls who sat on those concrete benches each night, there were undoubtedly some nice girls. Most were older and not my cup of tea but some were young and pretty. In fact to give you a sneak preview of a forthcoming diary entry, I suggested that if you took the top 10 girls on Beach Road and put them up on a gogo stage, with nice makeup and sexy outfits, it would be extremely popular.

By the way, I really enjoyed your report recently.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1430908]Motto for the trip: Lick it, eat it, fuck it, cum inside it![/QUOTE]Great reports. Don't like the feeling of cum all over my dick so not a creampie guy but fascinating to know how much of them take it.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1429298]See you outside in a mist of cigarsmokes next Friday. My inbox full sorry about that.[/QUOTE]Sorry, my trip was kind of a bust with being under the weather and jet lag. I won't be able to make the 6 pm at the Australian Pub. Just trying to get packed and to the airport will be a chore tomorrow morning.

[QUOTE=Rodwint2;1431231]Sorry, my trip was kind of a bust with being under the weather and jet lag. I won't be able to make the 6 pm at the Australian Pub. Just trying to get packed and to the airport will be a chore tomorrow morning.[/QUOTE]Ok point taken I will only spend 1 night at the GP and so I move on to one delightful regular spinner for the last 5 days of this trip. Manila was hard on me so I pretty much have only energy for 1 more night out handling the FL market the way I know how to do it. Would be great with a BASH pick up as Climax is getting to me and to many girls know me there by know and even so the are compansated and not promised any rosegarden by me they tend to create some sort of unpleasant scene lately. Safe journey back home.

[QUOTE=Gorgon; 1431079]This town will be my end. I have been in town 7 hours and already out 5k for four shots...[/QUOTE]Great report. Rose Bar is as dirty and as nasty as it gets, but fun! I was quoted 600B for a BJ or 1000B FS and that was only last week, but as I have said before, I am handsome man LOL!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1430469]As I get into BKK late evening, I may just do some street window shopping to see whats available in the wee hours. So many guys say hotties available on the streets for 1000 baht it must be TRUE! Or maybe ill go to a Rainbow and bargain the hell out of a hot girl. LOL.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Those 1000 baht street hotties are everywhere. It's hard to walk down Sukhumvit without bumping into one or two of them. Sometimes I momentarily forget where I am and think I have accidentally come upon a beauty pageant. And when you are done with them, motor on down to Pattaya because I understand that a lot of Beach Road girls could be working in go go's if they only wanted to, but apparently they prefer the fresh air and the 500 baht fares. All I can say is that the ugly women of Thailand are happy that so many Farang are willing to fly half way across the world to pay them for cheap sex. Their mothers thank you, their fathers thank you and especially their children thank you.

I think a lot of these guys who rave about the beauties they find in lower Sukhumvit would be just as happy screwing a tree trunk and then telling us how many orgasm's the tree trunk had.

By the way, speaking of street girls, not to alarm anyone but I noticed that a certain scummy poster is back in town and bragging of his shooting sperm into poor desperate women again and that reminded me of two conversations I had recently with two ex-street girl workers. Apparently about 6 weeks ago there was a mass on-site testing of girls in Nana Plaza and many street girls were also allowed to be tested for free. According to these two girls,"many" of the street girls tested positive for hiv and are still working the beat. No idea if it is true or rumor, but it should give most of us pause and to be careful.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1431297]I think a lot of these guys who rave about the beauties they find in lower Sukhumvit would be just as happy screwing a tree trunk and then telling us how many orgasm's the tree trunk had.[/QUOTE]So true so true. I rarely see anything worth a load on the street and actually rarely in the gogos. Oilies are also slim on talent. When I want to gaze on beautiful women during the day, I head to the malls, and at night Thong Lo. There are more beautiful gals in BKK than anywhere, but these days very few of them are working girls.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1431306]So true so true. I rarely see anything worth a load on the street and actually rarely in the gogos. Oilies are also slim on talent. When I want to gaze on beautiful women during the day, I head to the malls, and at night Thong Lo. There are more beautiful gals in BKK than anywhere, but these days very few of them are working girls.[/QUOTE]Most of the street girls these days have been around so long they should be designated as landmarks.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1431297]Absolutely. Those 1000 baht street hotties are everywhere. It's hard to walk down Sukhumvit without bumping into one or two of them.[/QUOTE]Nobody is saying that there are street hotties everywhere. I suggest you read posts properly before trying to be clever. The majority are girls you wouldn't give a second glance to but there is the occasional gem. The same applies to Beach Road believe it or not. But if you're not prepared to look, you certainly won't find.

What I find amusing is that the spirit of these forums is that people share information. I love the gogo girls of Nana Plaza, of Soi Cowboy and of Walking Street (where I believe the gogo girls are prettier) and last year visited almost every bar in Angeles. After each trip I post a diary sharing my experiences and, this is key, I post photos too. You can actually see the girls I have bar-fined. I'm not a giddy first-timer, I've probably been to more gogo bars than 99. 99% of people on here.

So if you like those same kind of gogo girls, why can't you be open-minded when I tell you that I saw a girl in Nana parking lot that could easily have been one of the prettier girls on the stage in Rainbow 4? (and by the way, not every girl in Rainbow 4 is a stunner!)

Why can't you believe it when I say that Beach Road had some pretty girls (admittedly some small diamonds in a lot of rough)? Sure they'd charge higher prices but they're still there.

Why can't you believe that a gorgeous girl I bar-fined in Shark told me she goes to Nana Liquid?

Why can't you believe that one of the prettiest girls I have taken was effectively from a slum? (using your twisted logic this would be impossible, she'd be immediately zapped on to the stage of some high-end bar as soon as she reached legal age by some kind of mystical Gogo Guru).

Because if you can't believe other people's opinions on this site then why bother using it at all? You have a hopelessly naive perspective that the prettiest girls must always be on the stages of the best gogo bars which simply isn't the case.

Furthur from last report.

It was 1 am. I walked first to NANA and then from g Soi3 to Soi23. Same faces. Ugly obese Africans, pretty lady boys average looking girls at open bars. Politely refusing lady boys I reached soi7/1 and confirmed my booking for next day at world inn and started towards soi cowboy. After Soi 15, very close to BTS ashok, there were ordinary looking girls at open bar. One held my hand and made me sit with her. She wanted to go with me with 1500 +300+350 system. I refused. She again offered for 1000 for her. She was almost pleading. Ordinary looking around 20 minimal makeup and small statured. Somehow I agreed. We went to short time hotel. Just at entrance to Soi23. In room she used mouth wash. We had soft kisses and then I started to help her in undressing. I opened her bra and put my hands in front for breasts. It was flat. I was shocked. Are you lady boy? Don't you know? He asked me. Very funny situation. All my readings failed. Height, broad shoulder, adam apple and voice. Nothing I could make out. I looked in his eyes. There was feeling of dejection and hurt. I had already paid. I started to leave. He pleaded to stay for some time as he will cut sorry figure before hotel staff. I understood. We waited for 15 minutes. In silence. I patted his face and left. Down I waited for 10 more minutes and tried to come over the shock. Then I had not come for blowjobs at naughty gogo bars. Only 2 girls were worth attention, one when I talked found to have braces. Other quoted usual rates. But the way she talked I lost interest. When I go to market even petty shopkeeper treats customer with better way. It was not personal. General atmosphere was like that.

Coming back I found that lady boy was sitting with his friends. I smiled and waved hands so that he feels more comfortable before his friends. He smiled nicely. In 10 minutes I was in my hostel. Exchanged smiles at reception and went to my room. My luggage had not come. Unshaved and without changing clothes I let myself fall on bed.

9 hours. 2600 bahts and in return got experience

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1431309]Most of the street girls these days have been around so long they should be designated as landmarks.[/QUOTE]Only surpassed by the relics at the Beergarden.

SPOT ON! Though you left out the daily Miss Universe Pageant at beer garden and the throngs of talent at the Grace.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1431297]Absolutely. Those 1000 baht street hotties are everywhere. It's hard to walk down Sukhumvit without bumping into one or two of them...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Skogis;1431237]Ok point taken I will only spend 1 night at the GP and so I move on to one delightful regular spinner for the last 5 days of this trip. Manila was hard on me so I pretty much have only energy for 1 more night out handling the FL market the way I know how to do it. Would be great with a BASH pick up as Climax is getting to me and to many girls know me there by know and even so the are compansated and not promised any rosegarden by me they tend to create some sort of unpleasant scene lately. Safe journey back home.[/QUOTE]Have a safe trip back!

Just arrived into BKK this eve after a delayed flight from Manila I thought of maby going to BASH. Though have I not so long time ago got reports from back home that my half pinay in my house is pregnant. This means I have 2 pregnancies going at once. One in Quezon City Manila and one in my country. This will probably mean I have to narrow down my mongering a bit atleast until the first baby is born. How I will tell my GF I also have one girl pregnant with me (atleast I think it is mine so far but DNA will be had as soon as possible but so far I pay for best treatment incase it is my child) in Manila. This is getting worse day by day but since I am going to stick with my responsibilities and not run away from neither one of them and I will choose my GF any day this gets me to question my mongering. So tonight Friday I think I will close it down for a while where it all started and as far as I remember the first decent mongersituation I put myself into was Spasso. I will have my last take out from there tonight going soon. I ofcourse question this will be my last trip into BKK as I love the place but something today made me think. Like what am I doing. Starting to having babies then you are playing with real fucking lifes damn it. And deep inside I am a nice chap, friendly and humorsitic. Born on the bright side of life and never had any real trouble except from a situation I put myself in due to horninsess.

I will end my trip with the most beautiful of the tahichineese girls I know (regulars). And we will go away for a few days before I head back home and face reality. I will write reports though from my experiences on this travel. They have been quite a few both here in BKK and in MNL.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1431311]Nobody is saying that there are street hotties everywhere. I suggest you read posts properly before trying to be clever. The majority are girls you wouldn't give a second glance to but there is the occasional gem. The same applies to Beach Road believe it or not. But if you're not prepared to look, you certainly won't find.

What I find amusing is that the spirit of these forums is that people share information. I love the gogo girls of Nana Plaza, of Soi Cowboy and of Walking Street (where I believe the gogo girls are prettier) and last year visited almost every bar in Angeles. After each trip I post a diary sharing my experiences and, this is key, I post photos too. You can actually see the girls I have bar-fined. I'm not a giddy first-timer, I've probably been to more gogo bars than 99. 99% of people on here.

So if you like those same kind of gogo girls, why can't you be open-minded when I tell you that I saw a girl in Nana parking lot that could easily have been one of the prettier girls on the stage in Rainbow 4? (and by the way, not every girl in Rainbow 4 is a stunner!)

Why can't you believe it when I say that Beach Road had some pretty girls (admittedly some small diamonds in a lot of rough)? Sure they'd charge higher prices but they're still there.[/QUOTE]Sure anything is possible. I've never won the lottery and I never pick the Final Four. So maybe I am just unlucky and am in the wrong place all the time. But I live in BKK 8 months of the year right off of lower Sukhumvit, so I am out and about all the time walking around for various reasons from morning to early morning. And I just don't see any stunners or anything that even comes close. A few are at most ok if you weren't aware that they have been out on those same seedy streets for years now and have had more traffic pass through them then the Holland Tunnel. That tends admittedly to bias one's opinion. So in the spirit of this forum I am just throwing out a different perspective. People will make up their own minds when they come to Bangkok, but spending a lot of time looking for good looking street workers is a waste of time unless you like the exercise. They just aren't there except perhaps when the moon is in the Seventh House and Jupiter aligns with Mars. To paraphrase Sam Cooke, I don't know much about history, don't know much about biology. But I do know an ugly woman when I see one and here and on Beach Road I see plenty of them.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1431020]All BJ bars here give BBBJ, almost never covered.

2 days Back I was getting a BJ inside SOL, when a guy stood at the door with the same Questions you had. Was it you?

LOL[/QUOTE]No it was not me, and thank you as well, Ncipimp. I guess my question was based on the premise, false or not that Patpong bars are places where punters get ripped off. My MO is never to ask a question in public that I don't already know the answer to. Saves embarrassment.

I have enjoyed BBBJ at Dr. BJ and Soms Haven recently, in the privacy of their booths or rooms, but just thought that the public nature of the SOL operation, which I am looking forward to, may necessitate a cover.

Thanks again gentleman and remember to "keep the faith"

Johnie

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1431391]Just arrived into BKK this eve after a delayed flight from Manila I thought of maby going to BASH. Though have I not so long time ago got reports from back home that my half pinay in my house is pregnant. This means I have 2 pregnancies going at once. One in Quezon City Manila and one in my country. This will probably mean I have to narrow down my mongering a bit atleast until the first baby is born. How I will tell my GF I also have one girl pregnant with me (atleast I think it is mine so far but DNA will be had as soon as possible but so far I pay for best treatment incase it is my child) in Manila. This is getting worse day by day but since I am going to stick with my responsibilities and not run away from neither one of them and I will choose my GF any day this gets me to question my mongering. So tonight Friday I think I will close it down for a while where it all started and as far as I remember the first decent mongersituation I put myself into was Spasso. I will have my last take out from there tonight going soon. I ofcourse question this will be my last trip into BKK as I love the place but something today made me think. Like what am I doing. Starting to having babies then you are playing with real fucking lifes damn it. And deep inside I am a nice chap, friendly and humorsitic. Born on the bright side of life and never had any real trouble except from a situation I put myself in due to horninsess.

I will end my trip with the most beautiful of the tahichineese girls I know (regulars). And we will go away for a few days before I head back home and face reality. I will write reports though from my experiences on this travel. They have been quite a few both here in BKK and in MNL.[/QUOTE]To take responsibility for those kids you bring into the world is very commendable. Thousands of mongers have left bastard kids all over Asia, Africa and Europe for generations. You have my respect for taking reasonable responsibility (meaning getting the DNA checked) and being willing to take care of your children. Good luck with your life!

It was 1 am. I walked first to NANA and then from g soi3 to soi23. Same faces. Ugly obese Africans, pretty lady boys average looking girls at open bars. Politely refusing lady boys I reached soi7/1 and confirmed my booking for next day at world inn and started towards soi cowboy. After soi 15, very close to BTS ashok, there were ordinary looking girls at open bar. One held my hand and made me sit with her. She wanted to go with me with 1500 +300+350 system. I refused. She again offered for 1000 for her. She was almost pleading. Ordinary looking around 20 minimal makeup and small statured. Somehow I agreed. We went to short time hotel. Just at entrance to soi23. In room she used mouth wash. We had soft kisses and then I started to help her in undressing. I opened her bra and put my hands in front for breasts. It was flat. I was shocked. Are you lady boy? Don't you know? He asked me. Very funny situation. All my readings failed. Height, broad shoulder, adam apple and voice. Nothing I could make out. I looked in his eyes. There was feeling of hurt and dejection. I had already paid. I started to leave. He pleaded to stay for some time as he will cut sorry figure before hotel staff. I understood. We waited for 15 minutes. In silence. I patted his face and left. Down I waited for 10 more minutes and tried to come over the shock. Then I had not come for blowjobs at naughty gogo bars. Only 2 girls were worth attention, one when I talked found to have braces. Other quoted usual rates. But the way she talked I lost interest. When I go to market even petty shopkeeper treats customer with better way. It was not personal. General atmosphere was like that.

Coming back I found that lady boy was sitting with his friends. I smiled and waved hands so that he feels more comfortable before his friends. He smiled nicely. In 10 minutes I was in my hostel. Exchanged smiles at reception and went to my room. My luggage had not come. Unshaved and without changing clothes I let myself fall on bed.

9 hours. 2600 bahts and in return got experience

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1431415]A few are at most ok if you weren't aware that they have been out on those same seedy streets for years now and have had more traffic pass through them then the Holland Tunnel. That tends admittedly to bias one's opinion.[/QUOTE]Not all streetwalkers follow your cliché. The occasional one is young and pretty. I stayed at Nana Hotel recently and while I freely admit that there were lots of average and below average girls, there were some nice ones. I didn't partake in their services as I only passed them on the way out to the gogo bars or massage parlours but in four days I saw two pretty, young, slim girls who could quite easily be on stage in one of the bars in Nana Plaza.

I took a photo of the Nana Plaza sign one day (about 5pm I seem to recall) and when I zoomed in I noticed another girl standing in Nana parking lot (see attached). I'd walked past her a few moments earlier and she was very easy-on-the-eye. She's wearing the leopard pattern top in this photo and is waving. It's not a great photo but she could easily have been up on stage in a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1431477]It was 1 am. I .[/QUOTE]Excellent reports. Also different from the usual stuff dished up. Don't stop, LOL.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1431477]It was 1 am. I walked first to NANA and then from g soi3 to soi23. Same faces. Ugly obese Africans, pretty lady boys average looking girls at open bars. Politely refusing lady boys I reached soi7/1 and confirmed my booking for next day at world inn and started towards soi cowboy. After soi 15, very close to BTS ashok, there were ordinary looking girls at open bar. One held my hand and made me sit with her. She wanted to go with me with 1500 +300+350 system. I refused. She again offered for 1000 for her. She was almost pleading. Ordinary looking around 20 minimal makeup and small statured. Somehow I agreed. We went to short time hotel. Just at entrance to soi23. In room she used mouth wash. We had soft kisses and then I started to help her in undressing. I opened her bra and put my hands in front for breasts. It was flat. I was shocked. Are you lady boy? Don't you know? He asked me. Very funny situation. All my readings failed. Height, broad shoulder, adam apple and voice. Nothing I could make out. I looked in his eyes. There was feeling of hurt and dejection. I had already paid. I started to leave. He pleaded to stay for some time as he will cut sorry figure before hotel staff. I understood. We waited for 15 minutes. In silence. I patted his face and left. Down I waited for 10 more minutes and tried to come over the shock. Then I had not come for blowjobs at naughty gogo bars. Only 2 girls were worth attention, one when I talked found to have braces. Other quoted usual rates. But the way she talked I lost interest. When I go to market even petty shopkeeper treats customer with better way. It was not personal. General atmosphere was like that.

Coming back I found that lady boy was sitting with his friends. I smiled and waved hands so that he feels more comfortable before his friends. He smiled nicely. In 10 minutes I was in my hostel. Exchanged smiles at reception and went to my room. My luggage had not come. Unshaved and without changing clothes I let myself fall on bed.

9 hours. 2600 bahts and in return got experience[/QUOTE]Another reason why you should never pay first. Always make sure you're getting what you've bargained for and no unpleasant surprises!

Regarding the quality of street walkers, in one year, I've never encountered ONE hot chick and most are very average and if someone is on a short holiday he'll just be wasting his time saving a few dollars when he can get something good at the gogo, disco, Thermae, or massage parlors. Not to mention you'll be soaked in sweat and soon have a nasty case of B. O. I think too many attractive girls out there have better options to peddle their pussy on the streets!

OTOH, if you ting tong farang with low standards then you'll be like a pig in slop haha

As I hereby declare a lower mongerrate to spend more time in phils to monitor babysituation and simular situation back home I went with a big grind in my face into Spasso. Since it was Friday it was far above a beachroad LT (for some) in covercharge fixed price at 800bht. Inside heaps of people at my arrival around 00:30am and this more or less usual Spasso liveband playing oldy goldies covertunes for the seemingly aging crowd. I think I never infact did notice, and this is no disrespect for old people as I will get there myself (some even think I am there allready at my start 40ies) , but wow 50plus average malecrowd I would state if someone did ask me to pick an ageguess (no one did). There were loads of beautiful women.
I took an hauntinground around the bar inside to look for gems and even if some of them where occupied by some malecompany I felt pretty sure this would work out well for me at the end based on all the smiles I got. I guess we all get smiles walking inside a P4P play place but I feel a bit bad when actually they even don't hide it while sitting with another customer. Hm.
Sat down as far away from the stinking tunes as possible next to some chicks working a fellow, I believe, mongerer. I just smile at them and him but he did not like it very much and asked me to leave. He was getting quite hostile so I felt the urge to move my ass a few tads and found some available seats next to the window at the back. The girls did obviously not like the mans attitude and so did not I but I like a friendly mongerlife so I never push it provocaly long and rather back down before things got ugly. I guess I would use less energy to take him down than swiping my dinner table but hey I monger and I am going to pay for it and there were loads of avelabilites present.
After calling off a few dates I, in a drunken state of mind, had sat up last weekend I looked up and the girls headed my way. The old mongerer right after. Oh shit this can get ugly but I did realy not do anything wrong. He screamed to the girl ""and they laughed at him. I managed to keep my smile inside me until he turned around. I realy didnt want to compete so better off hiding. Well the girls were nice and I had in the beginning just thought of bringing the skinniest of them "home". I sat down, according Spasso standard (the same as monger nightclubstandard), with one 8 rated and one 7 rated (7 a bit on the chubbyside but what she lacked in looks she defended with a cheerful attitude). Chemistrybuilding and shipping a few drinks before I asked of both of them was available. They hesitated a bit and claimed they where cousins (I guess that means prob just good friends). As they had a tad simular looks I asked if I could call them sisters and they agreed upon my request.
Skinny girl 29yrs and a tad more chubby "sister" 35yrs. Never asked height but approx lets say 165 on each of them. Well dressed in Spasso outfit. Casual classic smart dresses. So we headed back home to Grand President after a good hour or so playing inside Spasso with no more angry men approaching. And they sure made it a good closure session for my Spasso life. They adviced me they were not into lesbo and never did they earlier work as a couple (prob BS but who am I to do investos around this).
Back in room I had to guide through the session working the girls anticlockwice so they did not touched eachother so much. But they did a fine job all the time one BBBJ me while the other DFK or I DATY'ed her. For the FS I entered both standing as dogs on the bed with me on floor. After a while I missionised them in turns while the other was nice enough to work my behind as in rimming and some ballicks. This felt great so I shot a pretty big load on both of them faces (COM) maby to soon but who counts minutes.
We sat down had some hotdogs bought at 7-11 and relaxed while I started pussyplay with chubby one (by far not fat). Both would have been viewed as stunners along the low Sukhumvit Road hehe I believe (I don't push this further as ranting goes on and on as I occationaly find some ok decent Biergarden women for pumpsessions). Much of the same was repeated a couple of more times and I managed them to drain me 3 times until I let them out at around 6am or so.
One girl is ok to have sleep but two gets to crowded. I put 6000bht inside skinnys purse and asked her to share. They smiled and walked away. I guess a certain Spasso discount exists after all. I would gladly paid them 5K each but I will prob find sth else to use the money on from now and until I leave on Wednesday or Thursday this comming week as ms thaichineese likes it expensive (and so do I atleast a bit lux). I will provide photos of all my takeouts during my BKK stay at a later stage(except regulars ofcourse but as some of you know I am more than happy sharing FL`s as long as I get sth back). Now time to change hotel as a regular never can meet nor find me staying in a mongerinfected area like Soi 11.

[QUOTE=HugoPer; 1429026]Hi,

Do not hesitate to pm me if interested.[/QUOTE]Can't PM you. Seems your account is too new or something? Try PM me. I am here this week and getting started.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1431477]It was 1 am. I walked first to NANA and then from g soi3 to soi23. Same faces. Ugly obese Africans, pretty lady boys average looking girls at open bars. Politely refusing lady boys I reached soi7/1 and confirmed my booking for next day at world inn and started towards soi cowboy. After soi 15, very close to BTS ashok, there were ordinary looking girls at open bar. One held my hand and made me sit with her. She wanted to go with me with 1500 +300+350 system. I refused. She again offered for 1000 for her. She was almost pleading. Ordinary looking around 20 minimal makeup and small statured. Somehow I agreed. We went to short time hotel. Just at entrance to soi23. In room she used mouth wash. We had soft kisses and then I started to help her in undressing. I opened her bra and put my hands in front for breasts. It was flat. I was shocked. Are you lady boy? Don't you know? He asked me. Very funny situation. All my readings failed. Height, broad shoulder, adam apple and voice. Nothing I could make out. I looked in his eyes. There was feeling of hurt and dejection. I had already paid. I started to leave. He pleaded to stay for some time as he will cut sorry figure before hotel staff. I understood. We waited for 15 minutes. In silence. I patted his face and left. Down I waited for 10 more minutes and tried to come over the shock. Then I had not come for blowjobs at naughty gogo bars. Only 2 girls were worth attention, one when I talked found to have braces. Other quoted usual rates. But the way she talked I lost interest. When I go to market even petty shopkeeper treats customer with better way. It was not personal. General atmosphere was like that.

Coming back I found that lady boy was sitting with his friends. I smiled and waved hands so that he feels more comfortable before his friends. He smiled nicely. In 10 minutes I was in my hostel. Exchanged smiles at reception and went to my room. My luggage had not come. Unshaved and without changing clothes I let myself fall on bed.

9 hours. 2600 bahts and in return got experience[/QUOTE]Come on. This is surely someone trolling.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431597]Personally I wonder what the hell you are doing too. LOL. Its never too late to learn that you've been a bad bad boy. LOL.[/QUOTE]For once I will agree with you. You have no idea how hard this is to admit to an irritater as yourself. LOL

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431603]Went to big Baccara last night. SAme old same old. Actually quite pleasent as many good face to oogle![/QUOTE]No bar-fine? No photos? Come on, everyone is waiting with baited breath to see the girls who Bangkok's Mr Quality Control goes with!

Joking aside (a joke because I know you won't submit any), go to Shark on Soi Cowboy and Mandarin in Nana Plaza. Some very nice girls.

Ps. I noticed that you left a few comments on the Pattaya thread. Why? You've never been, you ludicrously say there aren't any pretty girls (despite the fact you've never been) and you say that you have no plans to go?

Second day 17th may 2013. I got up at 9. 30 am. My luggage had not come. I planned to check oily massage parlors. My research had shown me that there is much concentration at emporium and adjoining soi 22, 24 and 26. I walked for 1 hour looking for some good place; most oilies did not have any lookers. Most were deserted. May be it was 11 am. All famous oilies mentioned in blogs, nothing was there. I entered one BK48 I think and they showed me photos. I asked for services. For me lips is most important place. The receptionist pointed to services written and recommendation. There were 2 girls with ++ for DFK. One was busy. Photos looked 8/10. The other girl had just arrived and was preparing for make up. Charges 2200. She was brought outside though she was reluctant as she was without make up. Anyhow turned out to be different and was 5/10. Still I thought ok. Suddenly I saw on card that she was BBBJ ++ and anal rimming ++. So I politely exited the centre. Used public telephone booth to confirm that my luggage had arrived. I reached motel at 12. 30, took bath, changed clothes, shaved and thanked receptionist. Taxi took me to soi 7/1.

At hotel I called 2 numbers which I had got yesterday. It looked they can come at 4 pm. I told I will ring again if possible at 3 pm. ; I looked around in beer garden adjoining areas places in soi 7/1 and main road soi3, soi5 andsoi7. Well 2 things were clear to me. Most areas were empty. Only place there were few girls was beer garden where some girls tried to draw my attention. There were actually no girls but women. One pretty lady I sat with and bought drink for her. She agreed to go with me at 1500. But she got confused when I suggested the menu. Hugging, kissing groping and talking. She got confused. She rather got surprised and refused. To her it did not make sense.

At 4. 00 pm I, using metro, reached Hui Kwang area. I had seen lots of photos of various models working in soapy massage. From morning experience it was clear to me that these are highly photoshoped. So I directly went to nataree. I had read in forum by a real tourist that Nataree is having fair colored girls. It took one minute to choose one from available girls. All were trying to draw attention. Inside room I talked to her my preference and slowly she became comfortable in my company. Next t one hour was relaxing. She asked me about any drinks. I am teetotaler I refused but asked her if she wants anything. She took some cold drink or water. During bath she mentioned that have I just got soapy massage done at other centers. I said no. But why? She said that you are very clean. I asked her how much she will be getting from this 2000 I paid. It was 1250. She told me that is very boring job. Whole day you sit like showpiece. While coming down she yelled from behind. Handed me a piece of paper. You can call me anytime. I asked how much if I call her to my place. She said up to you. I smiled 1000 ok for you. She smiled back. You are gentleman and it is ok.

I may forget to pen down little important information. Best exchange rate I got in soi3 and one outside walking street in Pattaya close to 7/11. Worst was in China town and on the walking street. Secondly it is difficult to eat in Thailand if you are vegetarian. I got Indian food at soi3 at reasonable price. Pattaya Indian food was more costly. 7/11 was having option of vegetarian packet containing rice. Thirdly Uzbeks in soi3, grace hotel and around were all 30 plus, heavy structured to obese and were of Arab taste. Same type may be seen in Broadway in Dubai

I wanted to check as much area as much possible. At 5. 30 pm I took BTS pass and went to last station beyond on nut. It was soi 68 or 70 on right side. My destination was soi 78. State area. My source was internet. I think" midnight eye". Around 6 pm I traveled across soi 78 and then went to soi 76 but I could not make much out of it. It is Thai dominated areas. I tried to ask taxi drivers or motorcycle drivers but either did not understand me or pretended not to understand me as probably they did not want non Thai people to come there. Before planning to go back I happened to see one door having sign in English. It was just close to entrance of soi 78, around 200 meters and on right side.

There was one 40 year man with a teen aged boy. I enquired for lady and after thinking for one minute he took me inside. Very ordinary looking room. 2 girls. One around 18 looks 4/10. Another around 24, wheatish with very sharp features. She smiled and spoke very good English. Her Colgate smile with attitude I will say 7/10. Deal was 800 for 1 hour. I told her I am new to place and she nodded. She asked me whether I can walk and after few meters she hailed a taxi and took me to one hotel which was close to metro station on opposite side to soi78. When she spoke it was very very cute. Very beautiful white teeth and soft lips. I had gone to Thailand for white Chinese looking girl but was in company with a medium tanned girl. Very good English, poise and mannerism. She looked out of place in that area. We had good time. In between I asked her whether she does blowjob. She hesitated and did not reply. May be she did. She preferred to keep mum seeing me. Of course I had bottle of Listerine. But no tooth brush. In the end I took taxi from short time hotel and dropped her at soi 78 entrance. She asked me any tip. I asked how much she expects. She suddenly said 500 baht. I gave her. She seemed shocked.

I did not check any other place in soi and went back to soi7/1 using metro pass. I had in mind young fair girl at new petchburi road.

Rest follows

A famous website had mentioned lot of information about free lancers of Thanon Phet Utthai or Kamphaeng Phen 7. Those girls young, fair, some university student and come for some money in weekends. Those are pretty, innocent looking and not hardened. Usually after 12. 30 where girls may come from soapies also. 1500 is usual rate. Following the tips, I reached Petchburi MRT and started walking slowly on new patchburi road. Before reaching Amar attaari hotel? , One road went to my left and I also followed it. Just at corner there were around 12 girls. All young. An ugly looking lady tried to talk to me. I ignored her and when I met girls all started looking to that lady who was speaking good English. One English speaking gentleman came who later on turned out to be taxi driver. Seeing no way I talked to old lady. 1500 for girl 100 for taxi and 450 for hotel. I paid money and with a very young girl may be 18 or 20 I sat in taxi. The girl was laughing like child and gave me few nuts. On the way I asked why not to go my hotel as I will not have to pay ST hotel. He said it is nearby. I said that I will drop her at same spot on my way back. Both talked in Thai language and we reached an area which looked like Thai entertainment complex. Room was booked. I went up with girl. I removed my clothes. She immediately pushed me and put condom and despite my resistance she forced for CBJ. 15 minutes later, I was on bed and she put her clothes and said bye bye and she was out.

I came down. Looked around. Some 4 employees there and it looked that it is very common there. Another Thai couple, teen age, was getting room booked. It was obvious the girl had gone with same driver who was waiting for finding hunting. I came out and noted the place. It was on Rama 9 road and 1 km from it there is crossing leading to ekkamai station. If you see Bangkok map of thaiways, it is located in F3 block. It was hotel and massage centre. I am writing this because the thread at rough guide has given lot of details. Who are people behind such promotion?

I came back by taxi around 1 am. There was much less activity at Sukhumvit road. Soi 7/1 was dark and even I had found very few footfalls in day also. Only Bangkok beats was alive and few girls coming out of noisy hall were not looking impressive

The end of second day. Tomorrow chinatown

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1431724]Rest follows[/QUOTE]Sounds like you had a good Nataree experience. I look forward to reading the rest of your reports.

Lance

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1431726]Maybe its time to panic guys. That lane where dr BJ is located has one of my fav. Hotels located there. Its name is world inn, I can't ever remember their rates being 1000 a night. Best I can recall it was 800 or 900 depending on season.

It could be they are just catching up as I thought their rates were a bit low for its location.[/QUOTE]I stayed across the street from World Inn last month, they were doing construction work on World building the whole time I was in town. Looks like they are passing the cost of the remodel on to the customers.

arrived jw marriott last night around 11 pm, straight to golden bar which is across from hillary 4, also across from pedestrian entrance to nana plaza. i notice some new signs, nana plaza sign has been updated, zen bar sign and hillary 4 signs all look new, did they spruce this up for the movie (hangover 2?)?

as i sipped a few beers at golden i checked out the fl's arriving in nana hotel parking lot. around midnight there were probably twenty or so, quickly doubled to about fourty girls by 12:30 am. many were just too rugged looking to even consider, but two of them looked good to me. i also noticed as i sat there (three beers, maybe 45 minutes) many "girls' clustered around the entrance to nana plaza that i think are / were ladyboys, too tall, too beautiful and too aggressive with the passing customers to be girls.

after finishing my third beer, i walked around the nana parking lot to get a closer look at the two girls i'd spotted, both looked even better up close. i approached the first, asked if she would join me for a beer (i wanted to chat for a few minutes, see if i good a good vibe from her, check for needle marks, hacking cough or other "run away" factors) , she ignored my offer and said,"boom-boom 1, 200 for one hour". i asked her to repeat it, and she said exactly the same thing a second time. i was not interested in paying 1, 200 for one hour nor did i want to race to my room for a one-hour speed session. i just patted her on her shoulder and walked over to the second girl, who was standing about half way between the street and the hotel entrance. when i got right up to her i saw she was very young and pretty, maybe 20, maybe not. but she completely ingnored me, even half-turned away from me. i'm not a small guy, caucasian and i figured either my size or ethnicity scared her. nothing doing here either.

i went to hillary 4, drank one more beer and one of the employees wearing the kilt made for nice company, kept running her hands all over me, and one of the older mama's also helped me have a few laughs as we watched the goings-on in the street, but i could tell nothing was going to happen for me here. i was in bed by 2 am. first time i've gone to bed alone on my first night in bangkok after 10 or 12 visits.

up at 6, decided to see what nana looks like in the early morning, saw one rough looking queen sitting near stumble inn, kept walking and saw a very pretty girl sitting just past hillary 4. she spoke almost no english, but we had a nice time trying to communicate. she was stroking and touching me in a very tender way, exactly the type of interaction i was expecting last night but did not get. after 15 minutes or so she offered massage and boom-boom. 1,000. no discussion about how long or short. i took her offer, off to my room. she said she was 35 yr old (if i understood her correctly) , but her body said 25. she kept saying "no baby" and slapping her nice, flat tummy. she has a very exotic face, large thai eyes and high cheekbones (chiang mai style). she was also very proud of her tiny pink thong and bra combo, asking me several times if she looked sexy. i got the sense she was new to this job and wondering if she was doing it right, looking to me for confirmation. after a shower, wee gave a great bbbj, seemed in no hurry and she seemed to enjoy it almost as much as me. i eventually got two fingers into her pussy, she was very wet and wide open, squealing with delight with my cock in her mouth. we spent over 30 minutes with her smoking me and me fingering her, great fun! then on with condom, many positions, some snuggle time in-between (although she was not a great snuggler, seemed a little tense or uncomfortable with it) , i finally blew my load. we had been going for a little over one hour, almost 2 hours total. i was tempted to press her to stay with me, sleep a little then go for round two, but i didn't push it and she eventually went back to the shower.

thb 1, 000, i got just what i needed after striking out last night, hope i see her again. she exceeded my expectations for a morning girl on nana road.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1431596]Light-hearted funny and so FREAKIN true!

Again nobodys knocking strret girls and their customers but please STOP saying they are hott. LOL!

Bodily fluid exchange really scares the hell out of me. In 10 years I've never cum acrooss a girl who say they do bareback. God bless them. Still the failure rate of condoms is say 2% plus add another 2% for improper use, thats a lot of exposure to the girl of std's etc. They do have it tough. Making good money does have its risks and rewards.[/QUOTE]If you want hot girls then go to Ho Chi Minh, very pretty, super GFE and all for the same price as a Thai of much lower level looks and attitude.

But a difference there is, in HCM the girls are very much into making sure condoms are worn, but in Thailand thats not the case, Thai girls are quite vain in that if you are farang, white skin, good body, not too old they are more than happy to go bareback with you as they see you as low risk. And beleive me, I have barebacked many.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1431724]I wanted to check as much area as much possible. At 5. 30 pm I took BTS pass and went to last station beyond on nut. It was soi 68 or 70 on right side. My destination was soi 78. State area. My source was internet. I think" midnight eye".[/QUOTE]Great reports brother man. You know more of Bangkok then me and I've been living here 3 months. Is this a bar under the BTS? Think I just saw this on a taxi ride home from the airport. You got off at Bang Chak BTS right? That is not actually the last stop, Bearing is, but it is 1 past On Nut. I'll throw you another small monger location, Sukhumvit 22. Have a nice visit.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1430790]At ground floor, Vodoo, one girl was standing outside. She held my hand and wanted me to barfine her. I think 1500 + 700. She said she had accommodation and car. She was not bad looking 7/10.[/QUOTE]Dude Voodoo is a ladyboy bar.

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I'm usually in the Tokyo forum because that's where I'm currently living in. I'm excited to go to Thailand for the first time, not only for the P4P scene but also for some really cool things I can only do in Thailand. I'm planning or a late-September trip.

I want to thank many people who have contributed reports with such useful information, like user Linkwray666 a few pages back! The report not only gave me information about the experiences, but also useful, geographical and tourist information that'll help me navigate.

A lot of the well-known places that I've read about (Snow White, Tulip, Nataree, etc.) charges up to THB 2000 or so each time. That's okay, but if I was to do that 2-3 times a day, it'll really put a dent in my budget.

Any recommendations on being able to have a good time with less than THB 1500, possibly even THB 1000? I'm considering staying around BTS Nana, so the Go-Go Bars in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza are close, but I'm not sure about the bar fines.

Should I spent 2 days or so in Pattaya? Is it worth going there if I'm not aiming to go to the beach? I've always wanted to pet & feed tigers, and there's a tiger zoo near Pattaya.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1432013]If you want hot girls then go to Ho Chi Minh, very pretty, super GFE and all for the same price as a Thai of much lower level looks and attitude.

But a difference there is, in HCM the girls are very much into making sure condoms are worn, but in Thailand thats not the case, Thai girls are quite vain in that if you are farang, white skin, good body, not too old they are more than happy to go bareback with you as they see you as low risk. And beleive me, I have barebacked many.[/QUOTE]HCMC? No thanks. Those chicks have no shape and most importantly no ass. I'll let you keep them while I stick to bootyful Thais.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431974]Re: Pattaya-its not that there arent pretty girls, theres just not a whole lot of them-even the girls I see in BKK say that. To top it off I'm not a chocolate kind of guy-I like them fair skinned. NO offense but to sum up Pattaya- dark skin and cheap-is all one needs to know! ALLWAYS exceptions![/QUOTE]So your assumption that Pattaya doesn't have many pretty girls comes second-hand from bar girls you meet in Bangkok? Really? They're hardly going to tell a customer that the grass is greener somewhere else!

Pattaya has LOTS of pretty girls in the gogo bars. I'm a big fan of Bangkok and I especially love Nana Plaza. In fact I have bar-fined six times from the Rainbow bars in recent trips which should tell you that we have fairly similar taste in girls. And I'm telling you that there are more pretty girls in the gogo bars of Pattaya than Bangkok (and plenty of fair-skinned girls too). Baccara, What's Up, Heaven's Above and Happy all have great girls and even if you venture away from Walking Street to the bars of Soi LK Metro, there are some stunners. I saw a pale-skinned 10/10 at Champagne and several beauties at The Office. I also bar-fined a cute Japanese-looking girl from Paradise (I included a photo on a recent post in the Pattaya thread). Unless you open your mind more and actually go to Pattaya to see for yourself, you are depriving yourself.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431974]If you can't tell the difference between 1000 baht street girls and other s that your problem.[/QUOTE]Have you ever taken the phone number of a girl you have bar-fined from a gogo bar and arranged a day-time meet? If so you'll notice that her prices will come down drastically, almost half in lots of cases. Doesn't that tell you something? The girls you will pay 3000 baht for from a gogo bar for short-time (including bar-fine) will happily accept 1500 if you meet her during the afternoon or late at night. I've done it many times, including girls from Nataree massage parlour, Rainbow 4 etc. It kinda proves my argument that girls you will happily pay high prices for from the gogo bars can be found freelancing for much cheaper if you are prepared to look.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431974]I would never post a girls photo on a sex forum![/QUOTE]Instead you'll have comments deleted on the Photo Gallery thread for calling girls 'hounds'.

[QUOTE]Any recommendations on being able to have a good time with less than 1500, possibly even 1000?

Should I spent two days or so in Pattaya? Is it worth going there if I'm not aiming to go to the beach? I've always wanted to pet & feed tigers, and there's a tiger zoo near Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Spending some time in Pattaya would kill three birds with one stone.

First, you'll get value for money. For example, on Soi 6 the going rate for an onsite romp with virtually all of the bar girls in the second-floor rooms is 700 for the girl and 300 to the bar. There are *many* more beer bars in Pattaya than there are in Bangkok, and a session with your favorite will usually come in under 1500.

Second, in my view any punter who comes to Thailand owes it to himself to see both Bangkok and Pattaya. Granted, the beach in Pattaya leaves much to be desired. But it's still a beach and I find it a nice change of pace from the hardcore city vibe in Bangkok. Watching the sun set over the water with my toes in the sand always lowers my blood pressure. To me, that's the virtue of Pattya. It's a vacation spot that offers lots of ways to relax when you're not on the prowl.

Third, you can hang with the big cats.

Bunky

[QUOTE=DaniChan007;1432124]Any recommendations on being able to have a good time with less than THB 1500, possibly even THB 1000?[/QUOTE]Since it's your first trip to Thailand, you must treat yourself to a night each at Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. At Nana Plaza I highly recommend Rainbow 4 and Mandarin, at Soi Cowboy Baccara, Tilac and Shark are my favourite bars. Check out this page for other recommendations, for example Suzie Wongs and Angelwitch offer shows if they are your thing.

As for massage parlours, it seems you've done your research and you've got a good list there. I'm a big fan of Nataree and went twice recently. I posted directions to get there in my diary.

If you wish to spend less, there are lots of beer-bars near Nana Plaza and numerous freelancers in Nana parking lot. Most aren't pretty but there is the occasional gem if you're prepared to look. It's also worth noting that some of the gogo girls spend time in the nightclubs at night (in fact I bar-fined a gorgeous girl from Shark who told me she sometimes went to Nana Liquid when she finished work). Another way you might like to keep costs down in Bangkok is to collect phone numbers of the gogo or massage girls you go with. Almost all will be willing to share their digits and meet one afternoon for a vastly reduced rate.

Pattaya is cheaper and there are lots of massage parlours, gogo bars and beer bars. I've just finished posting my diary of a week I spent there and I can recommend Sabai Dee, Honey, Honey 2 and Dream Team massage parlours, as well as Devil's Den if you want a threesome. Directions for all are in my diary. Walking Street is a 'must-visit' but it's very busy and expensive. Soi LK Metro is cheaper and has some great looking girls. If you want to keep your budget in control I recommend the beer-bars. There are some really, really pretty girls in these places for cheap prices. Just wander around places like 'Drinking Street' or Simon's Bar complex or Soi 7/8 and if you see a pretty girl, buy her a drink. The soi 6 short-time bars are worth a visit too (you pay 300 for the room upstairs and 700 to the girl) and if you are daring you should check out all of the freelancers on Beach Road. Most are older but there are some young cute ones, although I suspect their prices would be higher. I didn't ask.

In short, it's your 'cherry trip' so make sure you go to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy and maybe a couple of those massage parlours. Then you can rescue your budget in Pattaya which is much cheaper. Have a great time and remember to post a report.

I slept well in night and got up at 9 am. 18th may. Took bath, shaved and came out of hotel. In last 2 days I must have crossed 10 times subway but never saw Elena as mentioned so much in this forum. As usual men were on streets showing photographs of girls. After breakfast I took taxi with my luggage to go to Chinatown. Being Indian we have lot of weakness for fair color. I had very friendly relations with 3 Chinese girls in Dubai.

I had read a lot about Chinatown in a thread. TheplazaNaNa had uploaded few videos in you tube also. For me accommodation meant keeping passport and luggage, few hours sleep and bath. So I had booked one place which was at unbelievable low price. Taxi dropped me around 100 meters from Inn. It was not in alley but sub alley. I met the person running show. A young man from south India. I wondered what he was doing here; He must be roaming around the world as backpacker and now started a small venture here. He was quite helpful and courteous. There were only 2 more people in that inn at that time. Both European. I tried to understand his business and he said that overall not that bad. The place has plus point of it being cheap, single room and free wifi. The negative points which I realized on reaching there were that it had no air conditioner and dogs at entrance to alley. Though it was 200 meters from yarawat road but after 7 pm it looked deserted.

Whole day I walked from yarawat road to Maitri road to metro station Hua Lamphong. After 2 pm started appearing streetwalkers and brothels getting opened up. It was lowest of low quality. Broadway hotel was centre of Chinese working girls. Everybody waved. All looked hardened working girls. One or two girls, with whom I could have spent time, were not keen to entertain me. One asked 700 and I offered 800 but my terms. They thought I have gone crack. In one soapy, I think Harlem, I saw good looking lady for 1200 and I showed interest. There was another lady who was getting restless to be chosen. I booked the girl and I found some baht were less. I went outside to jeweler shop for dollar change. By that time the girl got busy. Suddenly the lady in charge became rude. Even the cashier got puzzled why she was misbehaving. I took back my money. As it is said that bad day is bad and whatsoever you do, nothing goes right.

There was famous street food after 7 pm. Being vegetarian I walked down to little India, around 500 metres down the yarawat road and took my food. Back close to Texas hotel I found one legit massage parlor with cute girl. I resigned myself for traditional massage. The person sitting outside directed me down to alley behind Broadway Hotel. There one very young girl called me. I was desperate by this time and went upstairs with her. She took bath. Small girl. Ordinary looking but caring and friendly. Lot of kissing and after hjob, I left. She had asked for 500 baht. I gave 100 tip.

At inn I opened up before inn owner. Probably I should have not. He himself had not much knowledge about Chinatown. When his Polish girl friend was in town, he visited frequently discos. He said that he can talk to some girls, east European, and they will be nice for you. From Boss and CM2. He was not tout and was trying genuinely to help. I was not in mood now and said may be next visit to Thailand, I will approach him

To sum up in 4 words – don't go to Chinatown.

Next in Pattaya forum

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1432245]Ordinary looking but caring and friendly. Lot of kissing and after hjob, I left. She had asked for 500 baht. I gave 100 tip.[/QUOTE]Dude, tip for HJ is 500 baht. That is standard in BKK. Most folks tip 100 baht for traditional massage without extras. You really shortchanged that girl. Not nice.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432174]For newcummers a little history. I've barfined a Rainbow girl 16 times recently, couldn't get enough of her.[/QUOTE]If you are truly done with this girl you love, would you be as kind to post a picture of her? I would like to barfine this girl, cum on her face and post pictures if you do not mind.

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1432210]Spending some time in Pattaya would kill three birds with one stone...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the little info and excitement boost. I didn't consider staying much in Pattaya before, but now I've spent almost 1. 5 hours browsing through the Pattaya Reports & the Pattaya Hotels thread.

Hanging with the big boys eh? That's exciting & gives me butterflies at the same time. I'd love to meet with some of the people here who've posted such good reports.

And Sir Lancelot, thanks for the advice. Yes, it's my CHERRY TRIP (!) , so I must definitely spend at least 2 days in Bangkok and try some of the most mentioned places in Nana & Soi Cowboy. I've read your diaries and they were really helpful. I plan to outline my adventures similar to how you did yours when I'm all said, done, and fucked out of my mind.

The P4P scene here in Tokyo isn't anything remotely close to how it sounds like in Bangkok & Pattaya. There are rarely any FL here, and the only ones are from China & other SE Asian countries. Approaching & chatting with a FL in Bangkok or Pattaya will be fun.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1432303]Dude, tip for HJ is 500 baht. That is standard in BKK. Most folks tip 100 baht for traditional massage without extras. You really shortchanged that girl. Not nice.[/QUOTE]I think we can assume it is an all inclusive price. 500b for a massage is quite steep. It would have had to have been some massage for 500 + 500 tip for a handy.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1432385]I think we can assume it is an all inclusive price. 500b for a massage is quite steep. It would have had to have been some massage for 500 + 500 tip for a handy.[/QUOTE]I think he gave her the 500 baht AND added a tip of 100 baht, so 600 in total. That seems generous to me.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1432385]I think we can assume it is an all inclusive price. 500b for a massage is quite steep. It would have had to have been some massage for 500 + 500 tip for a handy.[/QUOTE]Chinatown massage places are never all inclusive. 500 baht tip would have been appropriate.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1432385]I think we can assume it is an all inclusive price. 500b for a massage is quite steep. It would have had to have been some massage for 500 + 500 tip for a handy.[/QUOTE]Ah, no. Tip at a MP for a HJ is 500 baht. He was at a traditional massage place. The cost of the massage is a separate issue. He did not mention the price of the massage. He only mentioned that the lady asked for 500 baht for the HJ, which as I said is standard. You really think some gal should j*ack your see*ock for 100 baht? Give me a break.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1432441]Ah, no. Tip at a MP for a HJ is 500 baht. He was at a traditional massage place. The cost of the massage is a separate issue. He did not mention the price of the massage. He only mentioned that the lady asked for 500 baht for the HJ, which as I said is standard. You really think some gal should j*ack your see*ock for 100 baht? Give me a break.[/QUOTE]I don't know what some girl SHOULD do, but I usually talk them down to 500 for FS. My very first experience in BKK was a HJ at a massage parlor and I am damn sure I didn't give 500 baht for it and neither did my wingman who was in the curtain next to me. More like 200 or 300 max. There is no set price list. You pay what you can get away with or what she can get away with getting you to pay. Just because she initially told him 500 doesn't mean he should automatically agree to it and not get a lower price.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1432441]Ah, no. Tip at a MP for a HJ is 500 baht. He was at a traditional massage place. The cost of the massage is a separate issue. He did not mention the price of the massage. He only mentioned that the lady asked for 500 baht for the HJ, which as I said is standard. You really think some gal should j*ack your see*ock for 100 baht? Give me a break.[/QUOTE]I am totally with you. All starts with the big misunderstanding on the word "tip", said here many times.

Girls like to call it tip as sounds nicer and less "hooker" than the more appropriate "fee".

A fee is the payment of goods or service.
A tip is a thank you for some attention, care. We need to remember that those girls do not get money (but expenses) when working at oilies or MP where you pay the cashier for the massage alone.
At places like Annie's where you pay an all in fee, one can decide to tip or not to tip the girl, tip 100 or 500 whatever he likes, his choice. The girl has earned her money through the establishment.
The 400 one pays for the massage is merely the fixed costs and margin for the place, just as like renting a DT room (and if you notice the cost per hour is pretty much that.
We can play with figures as much as we want but bottom line a FS is between 1500 and 3000, on ST... Of one accounts BF, ST rooms or oily massage. The real cheap one is a FL at 1000 taken to your hotel room. Non side costs...
Other than that the final costs are pretty much the same, regardless if in one go, or split in different ways.

There are some confusions and issues.

Nevergetsold wrote Dude Voodoo is a ladyboy bar.

I did not remember at that times. My laptop was in luggage and I had not checked it. I remembered that about obssession and temptation. Thanks. Anyhow I did not not go with that person.

Nevergetold furthur wrote actually the last stop, Bearing is, but it is 1 past On Nut.

Yes the location is 500 metres beyond last stop. Bearing or so. I walked. I had got down penultimate station as I was new to area.

Goat scrot wrote Dude, tip for HJ is 500 baht. That is standard in BKK. Most folks tip 100 baht for traditional massage without extras. You really shortchanged that girl. Not nice.

Well. I think if you read carefully, I was directed by man at massage parlor down the alley behind the Broadway hotel. There one girl sitting outside a non descrpit place. Asked me 500. It was not for massage and only for FS which is the rate there. 500 to 800. I was tired and wanted get released. Hence handjob. Rest of time it was my touching her body at different places and kissing. She had taken good bath and used listerine which I carried always in Thailand.

Marky1 wrote Come on. This is surely someone trolling.

Well I have nothing to say.

Tony Hoeprano OTOH, if you ting tong farang with low standards then you'll be like a pig in slop haha

Well. No response from my side. My culture and upbringing does not allow me to respond in such language.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1432449]I don't know what some girl SHOULD do, but I usually talk them down to 500 for FS. My very first experience in BKK was a HJ at a massage parlor and I am damn sure I didn't give 500 baht for it and neither did my wingman who was in the curtain next to me. More like 200 or 300 max. There is no set price list. You pay what you can get away with or what she can get away with getting you to pay. Just because she initially told him 500 doesn't mean he should automatically agree to it and not get a lower price.[/QUOTE]The standard price of a HJ at a massage shop is 500 baht. She gets 150 for the oil massage (100 if it's Thai or foot) and will be lucky to get three or four custoners during her 12 hour shift so why are you trying to get the girl to agree to jerk you off for 200 or 300 baht just because you can get away with it knowing she needs the money. In the name of simple decency please treat the girls with some respect.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1432509]There are some confusions and issues.

Nevergetsold wrote Dude Voodoo is a ladyboy bar.

I did not remember at that times. My laptop was in luggage and I had not checked it. I remembered that about obssession and temptation. Thanks. Anyhow I did not not go with that person.[/QUOTE]Voodoo is a bar with mainly post-op LB's, so technically, if asked, they have a pussy. Whatever judgement one has on this fact, his choice, decision, freedoms and preference, of course.

I apologize of course for my sloppy reading. I missed the "legit" part. I assumed it was some chinatown grot place. For a handy in any form I keep the set price at 500 above the fee like everyone else. The ladies at HJ places are barely paid (if at all) for the massage so not paying up gets you whats coming to you.

However, if it's a freelancer with "a place" in some alley they usually are upfront with the expected total fee. A grot massage with a handy I could see costing 500 as you can find FS there for that price.

For some actual content. Our indian friend reminded me to take a stroll in chinatown today. I did a route that walks you by the usual places written about on the web. Broadway was blocked of by what looked like a few school classes of Chinese students that all had to get noodles at the same small table. The hookers skulked about upstairs staying low key I think. I wasn't going to wait for 50 plates to cook so I backpedaled one block and walked to the roundabout. Mostly downtrodden guys riding the samsong or other substances. The sois around here are not for the faint of heart. Many broken lives are being spent drunk on the corners here. Many people peddling small 10bath items. Some are obvious yaba users trying to make some cash. There are loads of middle aged or older providers hanging around in various corners. Here and there you can find younger faces and even some SYT-quality but they are scarce. I would assume there is some hidden issues with the SYTs around, why peddle their wares here for cheap when NEP could earn them double the fee? My guess is lack of age or infection. Surely you can't be that young and naive that you start the trade in chinatown of all places out of ignorance.

I was looking for a PRC style face so I passed most chances by. Hoofing it back to the MRT I passed the soapy I think is called Cleopatra, there is no English signs but they do have a huge lighted sign that should either tell you brothel or karaoke place. Can't miss it. Some older posts claim they have issues with farangs but I saw none. A youngish papasan spoke english and did not try any price hikes or tip demands. There is two set prices. 1200 and 1000 be. Not much difference to be honest, most are older providers. I was about to leave but a 1200b lady caught my eye, she had a "reasonably" young face and what the heck, only 1200b so I went for it. The number tag was worn as hell but I think it was a higer number closer to 100 than 50.

The lady claimed 37yo but I think she in truth is over 40. She has the old bag screechy voice women get when they pass 40 and start growing mustaches. She on the other hand looked surprisingly fresh for her age. Bantered around in surprisingly good english while waiting for the tub. She interviewed me causally at first but when she liked what she heard she got more and more detailed. I got amused at thispoint and started to pry in to her past but she deflected. She for example learnt english "from the internet", I think we all know what she does on the internet. I'm willing to bet something substantial the lady has a whole stable of sponsors and was looking to recruit me. After the bath filled she gave a GFE style bath with some sort of mini-spa treatment thing. Of course to run up the minutes but I didn't care, I was assuming pump and dump starfish sex going in to this. The excellent ministrations in the bath had me optimistic though. A nice BBBJ got the show started and then on with the rubber. Not a whole lot of GFE in bed but she did what was expected, all the usual positions and a reasonably good moaning job. I had a 24 hour ball sack rest period before this session so I was getting close in about 20-30minutes and thus asked for the CIM finish. Was no problems at all and I she did a most talented finishing blowjob with me standing and she on her knees like it should be.

Subtly tried to get me to take her out but I had no interest in even checking if the place has a bar fine or not. I don't need to spend an evening deflecting her recruitment tactics. Tipped and left. All in all I had a good time and I think the price was fair. A lot depending on this particular provider though. I find my self drawn more and more to the older crowd, they usually have mellowed out a bit and learnt the tricks of the trade. The SYTs are starting to bore me, to many star fishes, even if they are good looking enough to make a salary man cry in to his drink.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1432525]The standard price of a HJ at a massage shop is 500 baht. She gets 150 for the oil massage (100 if it's Thai or foot) and will be lucky to get three or four custoners during her 12 hour shift so why are you trying to get the girl to agree to jerk you off for 200 or 300 baht just because you can get away with it knowing she needs the money. In the name of simple decency please treat the girls with some respect.[/QUOTE]You know I told my boss he same thing. The only reason you get me to agree to doing this shit is because you know I need the money. But don't worry. The girls will be fine. I tell them to just charge the next sucker extra to make up for the difference and they seem to be okay with that. If you have been on this board any length of time then you know there is nothing "standard" about me. I'm not in it to put food on anyone's table. I am in it to get my rocks off. If the girl has no problem with it I can't understand why the next trick would.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432306]Whats wrong with using BKK girls as sources.[/QUOTE]You choose to completely ignore all of the advice and comments given in good faith on this forum by experienced mongers but ...[QUOTE=Harold444;1432306]Sorry I just don't believe the stars are available away from their venue for drastically reduced price.[/QUOTE]You side-stepped my question so I'll ask it again. Have you ever bar-fined a girl from a gogo bar or massage parlour and then asked for her phone number so you can arrange a meeting away from the bar / mp? I'm guessing an experienced monger like yourself must have had the initiative to do that. Because if you have, you must surely have noticed that you can arrange for much cheaper. Short-time can be arranged for on average 60% of the price. I've done it many times, including with girls from Nataree and Rainbow 4 as I'm sure lots of others on this forum have too.

Unless. You are being quoted gogo prices for daytime meets by your girls? That would explain a LOT!

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432306]Pricing in Pattaya is all one needs to know about girl quality.[/QUOTE]Well actually if you'd ever been to Pattaya you'd find out that lots of the Walking Street gogo bars charge as much as the Bangkok bars, so that's another epic fail on your behalf. You are racking them up. But aside from that, can you even comprehend how stupid this comment is? It displays a complete and utter lack of understanding of the pay-for-play scene you like to think you know so much about.

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld;1432075]Great reports brother man. You know more of Bangkok then me and I've been living here 3 months. Is this a bar under the BTS? Think I just saw this on a taxi ride home from the airport. You got off at Bang Chak BTS right? That is not actually the last stop, Bearing is, but it is 1 past On Nut. I'll throw you another small monger location, Sukhumvit 22. Have a nice visit.[/QUOTE]Bang Chak is one after On Nut but a long way short of his location. There are several more stops: Punnawithi, Udom Suk, Bang Na, Bearing. I live in this region part time but do not monger too close to home

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431974]If you can't tell the difference between 1000 baht street girls and other s that your problem.[/QUOTE]There is no difference. Except the others cost far more. Like the difference between a brand name item & another of the same quality without the name at one third the price. If you want to pay extra for the name, a show, a chair to sit in, building rental expenses, go to an indoor venue. I prefer, like the ad says, to "save your money".

With BKK street girls there is no bar fine or LDs. With bar girls & gogo girls there is a BF. You are also pressured or required to buy drinks for yourself & or others. Additionally you may find it difficult if not impossible to get a hot girl gogo girl for 1000 baht ST. I hear that 2000 is common these days, whereas for attractive street girls around NEP 1000 has been the norm since at least 2007.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1431974]ICould it be guys are going to The Rainbows instead of Baccara. Rainbows are cheaper and girls are better quality than big B. Rainbows just put out a better product.[/QUOTE]I've been to R4 a few times...[QUOTE=Harold444;1431974]No need for photos. Anyway I would never post a girls photo on a sex forum![/QUOTE]Photos fulfill the need for man's visual requirements & provide credibility. No photos reinforces a certain unnamed posters anti-reputation that precedes him. OTOH I and others have provided video evidence of the looks of NEP area street girls & lookalike pics of the same for "unbelievers" such as yourself. Admitedly the unbelieving crowd has been a majority here since 07, but in recent years they've been more or less silenced, with Harold being their leading spokesperson. LOL.

(continued from the Pattaya thread)

I woke with a sore throat and a dry cough, not surprising given the thick smoke from the shisha pipes in Queen last night. After I checked out I took a motorbike taxi to Pattaya's bus station. There are three regular buses to Bangkok and I opted for the one bound for Ekamai as it is on the Skytrain route. The ticket cost 124 baht and after a 20 minute wait I was on my way back to Bangkok. If you prefer the convenience of taxis (or travel with more luggage than me) you can book a taxi directly to the airport from any hotel in Pattaya for between 1000 to 1200 baht.

Sitting behind me were two British guys, one middle-aged and the other early twenties. The older of the two told an amusing story of how he went for a massage and after ten minutes the woman asked 'boom boom sir? '. He told the story like it was the most shocking thing in the world. The younger guy asked 'was she pretty? ' with a laugh that made me suspect that he'd dabbled with a few of these kind of massages himself. Naturally it bought them on to the thorny subject of prostitution. 'I couldn't pay a girl for sex' said the older guy, 'it's wrong'.

My phone vibrated in my pocket. It was a message from Nok, the girl I met in Honey 2. 'Remember me? ' she asked and I texted her back, saying 'how could I forget! ' I told her I was going back to England today and she replied 'come back soon'. I then texted Lin, the 10/10 girl from Lisa Bar. We'd talked about the possibility of meeting for dinner but sadly I didn't have time to see her again. I told her that I hoped to see her next time I'm in Pattaya. 'See you soon' she replied. I like to sleep with lots of girls on my trips but it's easy to see how you could fall for a girl like Lin.

It was a comfortable journey. The bus had lots of leg-room and a toilet at the back. After a few hours we pulled in to the concrete jungle of Bangkok. We crawled through heavy traffic down Sukhumvit Road, the Skytrain towering overhead, until we pulled in to Ekamai station.

It was 4pm and I had three hours before I needed to be at the airport. That meant time for one last girl. Massage parlours like Tulip, EZ Massage, Mango and Snow White are all raved about online but I had my luggage with me so wanted to go somewhere I knew. I decided to go back to NATAREE for one last soapy massage.

I took the Skytrain to Asok and then walked downstairs to the underground station where I got a 10 minute train to Huay Kwang. A cute little Thai girl stared at me for the entire duration of the underground journey. I suspect she'd never seen a white man before. I left the train station through exit 3 and walked the short distance to Nataree.

The time was 4. 25pm when I stepped inside. My flight was at 8. 30pm. That meant I had time to pick a girl, fuck her and then be on my way to the airport at 6pm. I estimated it would take about an hour which meant I'd arrive at Suvarnabhumi Airport at 7pm. It was tighter than I hoped. If I could save time by picking a girl quickly it would save a lot of stress.

Once again it was busy with girls and there were lots of Asian customers. I ordered a drink and surveyed the room. There were probably 50 girls sat around. The older girls in the fishbowl were available for 2000 baht while those around the lounge cost 2600. Some sat on couches around the perimeter of the room, others on stools near the entrance. The youngest seemed to gather on the seats in front of the fishbowl.

The papasan walked me around and introduced me to the girls. As always there was lots of eye-candy. I took a seat and spotted the sophisticated girl I had been tempted by on my visit to Nataree at the start of my trip. When she saw me looking she quickly looked away. In stark contrast a cute girl near the entrance smiled and waved whenever I looked over. I was pleased I couldn't see Amy because although she was a sweetheart, I wanted to fuck a different girl this time.

Time was marching on. 20 minutes had raced by and I needed to make my choice. I opted for the girl who kept smiling to me. She would provide a far more enjoyable experience than the sophisticated girl, who was very pretty but had the makings of a 'starfish'. I walked over to her and she giggled when I took her by the hand and led her to the counter. I handed over 2600 baht and she held my hand tightly as we took the lift up to the 3rd floor.

I don't think I've met such a giggly girl. She couldn't stop smiling and in the room she told me 'I love you' before collapsing across my lap and laughing hysterically. 'You ting tong! ' I told her. Her name was Noy, she was from Chiang Mai and she spoke good English. As we waited for our drinks, she unzipped my trousers and began stroking me until I was hard. 'Big banana' she said and held her arm against my dick, implying that they were the same width. Suddenly there was a knock at the door and the waiter walked in. Noy quickly threw a towel over me and giggled like a naughty schoolgirl as I paid for the drinks.

She ran the bath and we stripped our clothes off. She had a slim body with small but firm tits. We got in to the bath and she sat cross-legged, inviting me to sit on her lap facing her and then lie back and relax while she washed me. As a result my dick was thrust up at her. Usually the bath follows the same routine in massage parlours but Noy threw the rule-book out of the window and leaned forward and ran her tongue over my dick before taking it in to her mouth and sucking slow and deep. I closed my eyes and sighed. Soon I'd be leaving this all behind.

We dried ourselves and lay on the bed kissing. She then kissed my neck and slowly inched downwards, kissing my chest and drawing circles with her tongue. She teased me like this for five intensely pleasurable minutes, getting lower and lower before she slipped my dick in her mouth and began sucking. It was a great blowjob.

The sex was every bit as enjoyable with lots of different positions. At one point I lay back and she lowered herself on to me. But instead of facing me like most girls, she rode me in 'reverse cowgirl', facing away. She leant back and I held her firm tits as she really went for it, bouncing up and down as quickly as she could, her arse-cheeks slapping in to me as she groaned 'oh yeah, oh yeah'. At the foot of the bed there was a mirror, so I got a great view.

Afterwards we lay on the bed chatting. I have never met a girl who seemed so in awe of me. She kept stroking me and saying 'you so handsome' before blushing. She was like a giggly young girl meeting her favourite popstar! She told me that it was her dream to live in England. When I told her that I was flying back to England later that night, she grabbed my dick and said 'I miss your banana! ' before laughing hysterically again.

I picked Noy because although there were prettier girls, chemistry always wins over looks. It proved the right decision because, as expected, she delivered great sex. As we got changed I asked her how much of the 2600 baht she gets and she told me half. The girls don't make money if they don't get customers, so it's no wonder Noy made such an effort to attract my attention downstairs. I gave her a good tip as she'd been a fitting way to end my trip.

Just one lift serves the building so it is always crammed. Noy and I shared it with two other couples. Both girls were young and pretty but both guys (a serious-faced European and a middle-aged Asian) stood facing away from their girl. It was as if they weren't interested in treating the girl nicely after they'd fucked. I find that attitude amazing. Every girl I fucked in a massage parlour on this trip I exchanged numbers with and held hands with afterwards in the lift. Treating girls nicely isn't just about giving them tips if they deserve it, it's about treating them like human beings.

It was 6. 15pm when I stepped out of Nataree. I hauled my luggage to the nearby station and took the underground back to Sukhumvit. Directly above Sukhumvit MTS station is Asok Skytrain, from where I took the monorail to Phaya Thai. I had to wait 15 minutes for the next train and stared anxiously at my watch every two minutes. The trip to the airport took 20 minutes and I checked in at 7. 25pm, just over an hour before take-off.

Three hours later I was sat in the plane, staring out of the window and getting ready to say goodbye to Asia. Then there was an announcement telling passengers that there was a 'small technical problem' with the plane so could we all please get off. Then followed a frustrating six hour delay. I sent a text message to Owen to tell him and he replied that he was in a beer bar surrounded by pretty girls. I don't think I've ever been so jealous of anyone in my life!

The delay gave me opportunity to reflect on the trip. If it was a book, it was split in to three chapters. 'Chapter 1' was Bangkok. I only had three days to sample its delights but enjoyed visiting the gogo bars of Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, especially Rainbow 4, Shark and Tilac. I also enjoyed soapies at Nataree and Annie's. I went with five girls in Bangkok.

Cambodia was 'Chapter 2'. In Siem Reap the temples of Angkor what are the main event with the small-but-pricy girlie scene just an added bonus for leg-weary tourists with temple fatigue. I fucked two Vietnamese girls there. Sihanoukville had a small scene but if you like beaches and girls, Philippines is the place to go. Phnom Penh on the other hand had been the real deal with lots of pretty girls available for cheap prices. I fucked five girls in Phnom Penh, including two young cuties at Le Crycee. On my next visit I will certainly explore the hostess bars more on Streets 104, 108 and 136.

Finally 'Chapter 3' was Pattaya. On my previous visit I didn't like the place (largely due to illness) but with the help of Owen and Macca I got a real flavour of what it has to offer. I was impressed by the massage parlours, the gogo bars and even the beer-bars too. It's an exciting place with lots of pretty girls. I slept with 10 great girls there.

I fucked 22 girls in total, including four I'd rate as 10/10. Joy, Alena, New and Lin. On top of that there were lots of 9/10's so in terms of quality, this trip delivered. As for service, I couldn't complain either. I'd had two threesomes and enough great sex to keep me happy until my next trip.

On the down-side, I didn't have a girl stay with me for long-time on the whole trip. That was partly due to the higher prices in Bangkok and Pattaya and also because I planned to go with two girls a day in Phnom Penh and Pattaya so needed to give Lancelot Junior a well deserved rest. Also Thailand's gogo girls seem more geared to short-time these days. Compare that to Angeles where girls of a similar quality can be bar-fined for half the price and would stay all night. You can't beat the feeling of drowsily waking up in the morning and seeing a young hottie sleeping next to you.

But while Thailand can no longer be considered a cheap pay-for-play destination (at least for someone like me who enjoys soapy massages and targets young gogo girls) , it undoutedly remains the most exciting and varied sex scene in Asia. On the plane back to England, I was already planning my return trip to the Land of Smiles.

THE END.

Ps I would like to thank everyone who contributes reports and (accurate) info to this forum, who helped me plan such an enjoyable trip. I hope you enjoyed reading. Lancelot

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1432580]Bang Chak is one after On Nut but a long way short of his location. There are several more stops: Punnawithi, Udom Suk, Bang Na, Bearing. I live in this region part time but do not monger too close to home[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification. Confused the sois. I saw a bar under Bang Chak BTS with 2 girls standing outside at night. During daytime a girl once told me it was a normal bar for only Thai's but did not look normal to me. Bearing is really getting out there. Would love to know all the Thai P4P places but not easily obtained info. And I really don't limit my mongering. A war zone with bullets flying by would be suffice if I was horny enough.

meet what i thought was a normal girl. get rapey and fuck her bareback right away. cum too quick.

get 8 beers at 7-11, drink in my room and give her a more dignified boning.

bored and go shoot a dozen games of pool. drink our asses off. she is really good and tells me she makes money pool hustling but i'm playing best in my life and pulling shots out my ass, drunk out my ass, better feeling then sex. spend 900 baht. not cool.

come home and hit it before passing out. wake up, wiggle my dick in it and smash again.

but now hear this girl's hustle. throughout the night the girl made several comments that her uncle is big police chief in bangkok. blindsides me and asks for money in the morning with hands open up. brings up uncle again. i joke, ok i run to cambodia now. 1000 on pool and drinks was all my budget allotted for. she asks for money again and i say if you want to be a bad girl i can be a really bad boy and am going to fuck her up the ass and stick my dick in her mouth for bringing up her uncle. she giggles. i have all my change on the counter. 200 on there, tell her to take it for ride home and to get the fuck out in a sweet way. she takes 20 baht.

one and done.

bizarro land.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1432571]You know I told my boss he same thing. The only reason you get me to agree to doing this shit is because you know I need the money. But don't worry. The girls will be fine. I tell them to just charge the next sucker extra to make up for the difference and they seem to be okay with that. If you have been on this board any length of time then you know there is nothing "standard" about me. I'm not in it to put food on anyone's table. I am in it to get my rocks off. If the girl has no problem with it I can't understand why the next trick would.[/QUOTE]Sorry Mr International I wasn't aware you had to jerk off your boss for a stingy 200 baht but really you should be grateful and appreciate he is just getting his rocks off. Don't feel humiliated just because you are a poor uneducated youngster from the countryside, you have to understand it's a dog eat dog world out there so be grateful when somebody offers you 200 baht in fact accept a 100 or even 50 if that's all you can get.

A very big thanks to sir lancelot for an amazing detailed trip of fr's. It was amazing to read your enriched list of info and I am looking forward to exploring these destinations in July 2013.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1432586] (continued from the Pattaya thread)

I fucked 22 girls in total, including four I'd rate as 10/10. Joy, Alena, New and Lin. On top of that there were lots of 9/10's so in terms of quality, this trip delivered. As for service, I couldn't complain either. I'd had two threesomes and enough great sex to keep me happy until my next trip.

On the down-side, I didn't have a girl stay with me for long-time on the whole trip. That was partly due to the higher prices in Bangkok and Pattaya and also because I planned to go with two girls a day in Phnom Penh and Pattaya so needed to give Lancelot Junior a well deserved rest. Also Thailand's gogo girls seem more geared to short-time these days. Compare that to Angeles where girls of a similar quality can be bar-fined for half the price and would stay all night. You can't beat the feeling of drowsily waking up in the morning and seeing a young hottie sleeping next to you.

But while Thailand can no longer be considered a cheap pay-for-play destination (at least for someone like me who enjoys soapy massages and targets young gogo girls) , it undoutedly remains the most exciting and varied sex scene in Asia. On the plane back to England, I was already planning my return trip to the Land of Smiles.

THE END.

Ps I would like to thank everyone who contributes reports and (accurate) info to this forum, who helped me plan such an enjoyable trip. I hope you enjoyed reading. Lancelot[/QUOTE]OMG, awesome to have 22 girls on your trip, something that I hardly can achieve do to some reasons. BTW, the girl on the pic is a beauty (usually farang choose different type of girls, not considered as beautifull by asian).

We hope that even not cheap anymore, Thailand prices still reasonable in the future. Many thanks for your reports.

I know this has been beat to death before but I went back 18 pages and only found a place called Vasu on soi 7/1 and Suk. Can some one tell me the name of the better money changer around soi 11. I know of the place at Phom Phong and believe it is called Super something. So looking for decent money changer around soi 11 and soi 23. Just name and location. Thanks.

Just found on google the money changer called Super rich. Location is too far from soi 11 or 23. Anything close to them. Sorry for question before as should have used google first

[QUOTE=Mackin;1432910]Just found on google the money changer called Super rich. Location is too far from soi 11 or 23. Anything close to them. Sorry for question before as should have used google first[/QUOTE]There's one at the Asoke BTS station towards where you exit to Terminal 21.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1432586]THE END. Ps I would like to thank everyone who contributes reports and (accurate) info to this forum, who helped me plan such an enjoyable trip. I hope you enjoyed reading. Lancelot[/QUOTE]Thanks to you for posting those descriptive and informative reports.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1432586] (continued from the Pattaya thread)

THE END.

Ps I would like to thank everyone who contributes reports and (accurate) info to this forum, who helped me plan such an enjoyable trip. I hope you enjoyed reading. Lancelot[/QUOTE]Sir Lancelot,

Thank you for such great reports. I thoroughly enjoyed and read all your reports with interest. They are descriptive and gives lot of useful information about LOS. You write them well with very good flow.

Looking forward more such reports when you come back to LOS.

Joe

I have been browsing NEP, the parkinglot and the buss stop during my other errands and I'm agreeing to other posters claims of the lack of good looking talent. Daytime or after midnight the entire nana area is ladyboy central. Everyone I considered showing any kind of compensation to was an obvious or turned out to be a very convincing LB. Sure there was some SYTs behind the parking lot sign but they "had standards" and I don't deal with that shit from 1000bath starfish hookers. I have done them a few times but a rolled up newspaper could be a stand in for most of them sex wise.

Crossed the street and cruised on towards soi 11, the street bars have old or OLD talents hanging around, the good looking and inviting crew was mostly LBs. Had a few drinks with some LBs during the walk and they were chatty. Soi 11 had more potential but by this time I just wanted a few drinks before turning in. I sat down in the two beatlebars that are close to villa market and got the evil eye from some african men. The seats towards the pavement are empty with one african male covering each bar. Either I interfered with their boyfriend pulling or I was disrupting their sales of nigerian specialties. Ended up being "persuaded" by the predatory villa market massage ladies because one of them was young, slim and with a somewhat decent face. The phrase "I have a room" was used with more than a little bit bending of the truth. I knew it was going to be nasty but I did not expect to be pulled in to a place with a small front room and three booths "in the back". The front room had an idling euro lady and a family of indians getting feet, shoulders and other stuff massaged. I was led in to a booth with walls not higher than a standing man and some flimsy cloth for a door.

The service was surprisingly good for a pump and dump. While indian gramps was having loud shoulder orgasms in the front room I was getting a killer CBJ, most times CBJ just bores me in to going soft but she had mad skill I have to give her that. Nice tits and bod but the price dictated bad service so she rasped to get on with it and shoot quickly. She implied murder if I took to long or made any lady parts burst.

When the deed was done the euro lady was ready to head out with a newly arrived specialist in the massages. Eurolady was an obvious tomboy lesbian and either the place is known in those circles or she has balls enough to just ask them who eats a meat pie in this place. I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall in their ST room.

Short blurb on beergarden, I have tried to pick up some daytime stuff from there but I can't bring my self to it. The inviting ladies are older than I am, nothing wrong with that in general but try to enforce one rule of my own. I can't be the good looking one in the coupling and I'm not a young fit man anymore. The few younger in the lineups "had standards" and preferred talking to the expats showing up in office clothes. Not going to bribe working girls there with lady drinks so they can believe they are good girls that just happen to get a very expensive taxi ride after the "date".

[QUOTE=Hi Mackin;1432903]I know this has been beat to death before but I went back 18 pages and only found a place called Vasu on soi 7/1 and Suk. Can some one tell me the name of the better money changer around soi 11. I know of the place at Phom Phong and believe it is called Super something. So looking for decent money changer around soi 11 and soi 23. Just name and location. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi Mackin. There are at least two money changers on soi 11 that I can think of. They are on the same side of the street as Villa Mart. The differece in exchange rates between one or another is frankly not worth the cost of the BTS ride to Asoke or anywhere else, even for several hundreds of dollars. TTG

Vasu usually gives the best rate of any moneychanger between Nana and Soi 11. When I'm near Cowboy I go to the Citibank ATM at Sukhumvit/Soi Asoke. I have a Citibank account in the U.S.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432948]Been raining a bit. Anyone know where I can get a good deal on umbrellas. I don't want to overpay and ruin the market![/QUOTE]The other day when picking up my eggs Benny at food land I grabbed one for 80 baht from the vendors between S3 and S5. Two sell them, the old guy's umbrella is a little better and 100 baht. Imagine they are much cheaper in other markets around BKK but what are you going to do.

To change the subject; sounds like you are rainbow 4's number one customer. Could you tell me if you have ever seen a girl who works under the name Ice there? Small frame, older bad girl face, whole back tatted up, neck tat, blonde hair, balloon fake tits, flat stomach, flat ass.

[QUOTE=Mackin;1432903]I know this has been beat to death before but I went back 18 pages and only found a place called Vasu on soi 7/1 and Suk. Can some one tell me the name of the better money changer around soi 11.[/QUOTE]Maybe this app helps you: [url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.megarichcurrencyexchange.thailand[/url]

Asian Massage shops in Sydney Australia charge $20AUD for HJ extra. 500bt is like $19AUD. In Vietnam it is closer to $10 max, and less than half, or none for the locals. In Singapore, about $30sg does the trick. The incredibility mean teen dream massage in Pattaya gets 40 yes a mere 40 bt for a 1 hour massage (client pays 400+).500 including massage is a good deal for them. However I note most give crap massages. They are simply untrained. My experience is the best ones don't ask for anything and just do it, usually are the most skilled. Only a 10/10 deserves a full 500. If they open at 1000, they just dropped to an 8. There are full service fishbowls in Chinatown BKK for 1200 all in. Also in patts's I found a thai massage place 100bt an HOUR (no hanky panky) off the beaten track- same or better than those on the bt bus routes. Pay what you see fit. But I do agree don't cheat outstanding service. Buys a lot of Issan Chilli Ant green mango meals.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1433121]My rain 4 favorite said she will go to my Asoke hotel. Thank you lord. God bless. But she put restrictions on the times I can barfine her. LOL. She was explaining why but I couldn't really follow her line of reasoning, I try again to see what she was saying.[/QUOTE]Who is the customer here? Really man, you let a 6th grade educated Isaan working girl dictate the "rules"? Restrictions? Guys are really letting girls get away with this cr*p? No wonder the attitudes are awful.

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld;1433154]tell me if you have ever seen a girl who works under the name Ice there? Small frame, older bad girl face, whole back tatted up, neck tat, blonde hair, balloon fake tits, flat stomach, flat ass.[/QUOTE]I have seen her there. She was pretty aggressive, came off as desperate. Was not one of the better options at R4 IMO, she would be more at home I think in a strip club in Arkansas or Alabama.

Something about her reminds me of Dooneese (Kristen Wiig / SNL) :

[QUOTE=Linkwray666; 1433343]I have seen her there. She was pretty aggressive, came off as desperate. Was not one of the better options at R4 IMO, she would be more at home I think in a strip club in Arkansas or Alabama.

Something about her reminds me of Dooneese (Kristen Wiig / SNL) :[/QUOTE]That desperation as you call it or good sales as I call it earned her a really nice apartment. Pretty sure she is one of the best earners. I spent a lot of time in Rainbow 4 my first month in Bangkok and never saw her there so someone likes her and when I met her on the BTS she looked disheveled returning from a long time. I really don't do flat ass and she is old but I am a sucker for blonde hair and tats on Asian chicks and that Arkansas look is how you get your dick sucked with her shit on it. Still would not fork a lot of money on her.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1433121]Seems Rainbow 2 and 4 have added new talent. Don't get too excited. Don't think one would rate above 5. 5 on the richter scale. LOL. More filler material type girls.

My rain 4 favorite said she will go to my Asoke hotel. Thank you lord. God bless. But she put restrictions on the times I can barfine her. LOL. She was explaining why but I couldn't really follow her line of reasoning, I try again to see what she was saying.

I'm just guessing maybe she wanted something in return for going a farther distance to do her duties.

I thought she would raise prices but NO!

Once she sees that my hotel is not in some out of the way soi maybe the restrictions willl come off. 5-10 minute walk to my hotels in Nana. 5 minute taxi ride to my Asoke hotel- same same time wise.

What I would give to know what the girls think about us. LOL.[/QUOTE]So you basically have to beg to pay her barfine? I can see why she treat you like she wishes.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432734]Aren't you the guy who says 5000 baht massage parlour quality girls walk the streets?[/QUOTE]The only time I even read a massage thread is when all the planets are in alignment.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432734]I miss you man! There is NO requirement to buy anyone drinks other than one for yourself. Come on man-you should know better![/QUOTE]I do know better, which is why I never said that.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1432734]You have a brother in arms. Very good writer but a bit of a sweetmouth as the girls would say. Dude is doing multiple 10/10s in Pattaya when its common knowledge 10/10s don't hang out in agogos, beer bars, beach road, etc. 10s are not even available to us riff raff tourist types![/QUOTE]I'd love to see your 10. Can you dig one up out of the photo thread, or shall we just assume it's one of Britney Spears, Jenifer Aniston or Angelina Jolie? Don't be shy.

Sir Lancelot. My thanks echo those of others. Your reports have been well written and interesting. I admire you for the 22 Ladies in a short time. You are undoubtedly a LOT younger than me (71) and I just wish I had your stamina. But I do my best.

For me you sum up everything in one of your sentences

"Treating girls nicely isn't just about giving them tips if they deserve it, it's about treating them like human beings"

Ladies should always be treated as Ladies no matter what their profession.

Cheers.

Gali

i was going to go out with a bang but ended up with more of a fizzle in a way. started out the day with a trip to mango to clear the pipes and prevent any premature overpreasure during the nights main event. cherry and tulip had been somewhat bland earlier in the week so expectations were mild for mango as they have gotten some flak for various issues. i was arriving with a spring in my step and a list of mango star names to try out. all plans go to hell on contact with reality though, they had the in rotation and as i had yet to do a "big bone" lady this trip i went with it. big bone for my big bone.

there is an auto filter in isg that reacts to the ladies name so it is impossible to write it. it is how you say "the" in ebonics so you will have to change out the name where it looks funny in the text.

the is a somewhat reserved lady, i think she is low in english and keeps a low mellow style partly due to this. she is pro all the way just as i like it and is persistent in her ministrations even if not the best "take care" service i have ever had. i was sure the heat had killed all my intentions for multishot but the expertly brought me back to life and made it happen a second time. one of the few ladies that managed this with me this tour. bbbj and cim never an issue, true mango experience like it used to be known. there's been some grumbling about having to pre-pay at the counter downstairs but i thought nothing of it. the lady manning the register explained it that 600 was the room fee and 1500 to the lady just like it has always been. i don't know if this is really true or not and it feels a bit rotten to not give at least a token tip before leaving the room. first the looked a bit pissed before smiling a bit. i will lay it on their feet if she was slighted. don't claim the standard fee of 1500b is for the lady if it isn't. the fee has always been 1500 and my tip was to be polite.

later in the evening i was looking to molest something sweet and the suzy wong show usually has a few candidates. i had some numbers in mind that might not be up to the superstar standards of some posters here but they sure get my dirty old man engine running. i don't know if they shuffle the numbers or not so the numbers might not match up with this report later on. i have a thing for no 45, she has some super basic foot moves that still makes her look more alive than the other shufflers. she looked worn out today so i did not approach. her face is a bit undecided up close. i saved my feelers for no 71, she has that korean house milf look going. skulking about terminal 21 and asoke you can see them in droves and as i don't have any chance at all there, no 71 was going to have to be stand in. i think she was surprised when i tipped her and hid for a while, the ladyboy soon pushed her out and told me the lady is very shy and to be considerate. did the chit chat but she refused everything other than a coke and just wanted to split.

she might be doing the whole shy thing as an accessory to her looks who knows, it works for her. what doesn't work is that her snatch is child sized (i am extrapolating here, i don't screw minors). back in my room i discovered it just isn't going to happen. her smoking stamina is not enough to get me there and her hand job skills needs some work. she wanted to cuddle up a bit to make it worth my while but i had already peeked on the clock and saw it was 40 minutes until [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] closes. i politely said we might as well finish this up, paid her and sent her off in a cab. then i legged it to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] and let mook try to save the evening. she delivered like a postalworker.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1433013]I have been browsing NEP, the parkinglot and the buss stop during my other errands and I'm agreeing to other posters claims of the lack of good looking talent. Daytime or after midnight the entire nana area is ladyboy central. Everyone I considered showing any kind of compensation to was an obvious or turned out to be a very convincing LB.[/QUOTE]IMO the best time to browse the NCP is in the late afternoon to early evening, well before midnight.

IME in the last month & since 07 you won't see many street working LBs in the daytime around NEP, while genuine ladies are much more common, including some lookers. Perhaps all the moreso with the rainfalls coming in the evenings lately & girls wanting to avoid paying tea tax to the raiders that often come at night.

BTW speaking of daytime action, small flyers were being handed out on Wednesday afternoon in front of NEP & the Nana Hotel sign advertising an early opening of some bars in NEP. The paper stated from 1 PM Lollipop, Obsession & Hollywood, beer bars & a go-gos open. 599 baht all you can drink, or 80 baht single spirits & local beers, till 8 PM. Applies also to all ground floor beer bars.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1433013]Sure there was some SYTs behind the parking lot sign but they "had standards" and I don't deal with that shit from 1000bath starfish hookers. I have done them a few times but a rolled up newspaper could be a stand in for most of them sex wise.[/QUOTE]Had standards, eh. You mean they wanted to use a condom? For a mere 1000 baht or 30 USD what were you expecting from a SYT, BB anal with PSE? If you prefer, brandname R4 across the street gives you exactly the same quality of girl & dead duck experience for 3X the price. Or you could offer the NCP lady a tip or a decent wage & be surprised at what suddenly happens to her "standards". I can assure you a 1 hour BBBJ would not be out of the realm of infinite possibilities. Try getting that from a gogo girl.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1432743]You might not realize it but the above puts you in the majority. What you are basically saying is hot street girl are just inferior to hot agogo girl, thats why you can get them for 1000.

Which is what the majority are saying.

PS 2500 is more common for hot agogo girls now. 50% discount if you go meet them after hours at disco-so I hear. LOL.[/QUOTE]Clearly that's not what I was saying. My point was you pay more for the name or label, even though the products are the same. I've taken hot street working girls who would be top 3 superstars in any Bangkok gogo, lookswise. Moreover, in fact, some of them previously worked in gogos like R4.

As far as what the majority are saying, I'd rather hear what the top 5% cutting edge minority knows than inquire of the mob mentality. In that vein I believe both Sir Lancelot & Mr Luke 666 recently & eloquently put you in your place re where hotties can be found.

Well done! I'd been following your diary as the others here and actually I'd been compiling the whole thing. It's 83 pages! Almost a book. You're a professional writer, everything is so smooth, easy to read. It was like I was traveling with you, entertaining stuff. Have a great one.

Best Regards.

Razor

Razor.

Hbengkok.

Bionicman.

BiziBoy2012.

Thank you very much. I really do appreciate it when people take time to leave positive comments, it makes all of my effort worthwhile. You might like to know that I posted similar diaries in the Philippines section of this website.

[QUOTE=Galinsoga; 1433371]Sir Lancelot. My thanks echo those of others. Your reports have been well written and interesting. I admire you for the 22 Ladies in a short time. You are undoubtedly a LOT younger than me (71) and I just wish I had your stamina. But I do my best.

For me you sum up everything in one of your sentences

"Treating girls nicely isn't just about giving them tips if they deserve it, it's about treating them like human beings"

Ladies should always be treated as Ladies no matter what their profession.

Cheers.

Gali[/QUOTE]I'm really glad you identified with that comment. I think these girls are brilliant. They're fun, silly, cute, affectionate, bright, inquisitive and they are choosing to do what they do often for their families. It's funny, in the western press these girls are portrayed as victims but they're actually strong girls who deserve nothing but utmost respect.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1433121]My rain 4 favorite said she will go to my Asoke hotel. Thank you lord. God bless. But she put restrictions on the times I can barfine her. LOL. She was explaining why but I couldn't really follow her line of reasoning, I try again to see what she was saying.

What I would give to know what the girls think about us. LOL.[/QUOTE]Dude, I think it's obvious what she thinks of you. And it ain't pretty.

Why some guys let these hookers walk all over them is a mystery to me.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1433475]Girsl Attitudes arent awful (Maybe they are-but many are ok-does take work to find one you like). Yours is- you want perfection. LOL. You live here you know the game at the Rainbows. Short time is short time- pornstar experience not on the table, bad value, yadda yadda yadda.

This is how its playing out. Maybe she figured since she had to travel VERY FAR (her wording) , she doesn't know exact location of hotel-it really isn't very far. 3.5 minute walk to Terminal 21, to make it worthwhile she would slot me in her downtime (Start of shift).

Unfortunately, I'm not a fan of that given timeslot, so I haven't had a barfine in a week and a half.

The kicker is when I do show up she is usually available to be barfined (no customer). Endgame-she missed out of 2 barfines from me. We both end up as losers![/QUOTE]Man, you are still catering to her and that is the problem. I do live here, so I don't have to cater to working girls. I did not move here to cater to working girls. I expect them to cater to me, which most all did for years, until more and more dudes started deferring to them as they do to women in the West. Now we have working girls who think the customer should cater to them, not the other way around.

Won't go to Asoke? Give me a break. It is at worst a 10 min cab ride in traffic. They expect to hit the ST Hotel in Nana for 15. 20 min and make 2k-3k baht. The amazing thing is dudes allow this. And yes, it is the customer that is creating this attitude, not the gal. GoGos were a wild amount of fun when I moved here. Making out with gals you bought drinks for. Getting hammered with gals in the bars, gals wanting to go LT, etc. Now, meh! Sorry an Isaan girl who is a 7 in looks (about the best you will find in any gogo) and really is not all that skilled in the sack, and wants to hurry on top of it. Give me a break.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1433471]I think these girls are brilliant. They're fun, silly, cute, affectionate, bright, inquisitive and they are choosing to do what they do often for their families. It's funny, in the western press these girls are portrayed as victims but they're actually strong girls who deserve nothing but utmost respect.[/QUOTE]Simply continuing the cycle of poverty really. Big regional differences in Thailand. Isaan,"send the kid to work as soon as we can so they can send back money. Then we are on easy street." The North and South,"let's do all we can to get our kids through Uni so they will have it better than we do."

I was always floored when these gals would say,"have to take care of family." I would tell them to take care of themselves first. Save their money, start a biz, etc. If mom and dad want money, tell them to come to BKK and service foreigners.

Off to foodland for some breakfast fare and if I can find something to cum on, all the merrier.

Scope the area out and about to return home when I see big naturals on a light skin girl. It's a wrap.

She instantly accepts my 500 baht and bring her to my room.

Another druggie. I am but have to get even better at identifying these girls who play with ice and cocaine because I think they might just take 200 baht.

She has a belly but I'm actually digging her cute face, huge round ass and juicy thighs to go with those sloppy big ole titties.

Unfortunately my first stinky thai pussy and in general first stinky pussy in awhile. Guess that should be expected if you are lucky enough to spot something fuckable in nana at 5am.

Girl has been working at one of those outdoor bars from S3 to S7 and don't want to try to imagine the type of dick I'm following on this one but would recommend her service.

Has a house over $4M in Chiang Mai so she gets paid.

Another 1 for the resume when I apply for hell.

BKK Report.

I had a short 2 nighter in BKK last w / e.

Stayed at the Woraburi in Soi 4 (Nana) which was good value at less than 1000 THB a night, so close to the action.

Saturday afternoon had an early look in the Biergarden at around 1pm. 1 or 2 looked promising but decided to pass after a couple of beers.

Went to the new Hillary bar in Soi 4 (used to be Strykers which is now further down the Soi) and ended up with a girl. 30 years old, for a couple of hours who's spec fitted the bill. A nice couple of pops in 2 and half hours, plenty of BBBJ, multiple positions, no A for 1500 THB.

In the evening I did a bit of a crawl around Nana and ended up in Rainbow 2 where there were some very nice looking entertainers, Mandarin had some nice lookers too. Took a 24 year old for 30000 THB LT from R2, no CIM or A but everything else on offer. A nice GFE experience slow and gentle and certainly would repeat there with their selection.

Sunday afternoon took a stroll down to Soi 26/24 around 2pm. Was going to try Addict but the girls I wanted were already booked but a new place and adding new girls since my visit.

Ended up in Mango, report will be added in the relevant MP section.

In the evening went to a few of the older haunts like Morning Night with the intention of going back to R2.

Instead I BF'the from there, a lovely who was just great company in and out of the bar, one of those times you just click and we really did have a good laugh before heading back to the hotel.

She was another GFE but a bit raunchier than my previous Beer Bar BF, took CIM but no A she was very slim with ample tits for her size which allowed a session of tit fucking as well as all the usual positions. 2500 THB for LT and she left at midday as I had to get out of the hotel for my 3 nighter in Pattaya.

All in all quieter than I expected after not being in town for a year but certainly plenty of choice.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1433471]I really do appreciate it when people take time to leave positive comments, it makes all of my effort worthwhile. You might like to know that I posted similar diaries in the Philippines section of this website.I'm really glad you identified with that comment. I think these girls are brilliant. They're fun, silly, cute, affectionate, bright, inquisitive and they are choosing to do what they do often for their families. It's funny, in the western press these girls are portrayed as victims but they're actually strong girls who deserve nothing but utmost respect.[/QUOTE]Seen of course your Philippines and Cambodia reports. Better than National Geographic.

On your last paragraph I beg to differ a bit.

We are surely not at level of slavery or human traffick (as in some cases happens in both FE and EE) , and in some cases girls are happy to do what they do (you can see this by the approach and sort of enjoyment they have on these P4P encounters, not coming only from the $$ earnings) But I still think for some of them it is a sort of compromise in life.

Lack of education and working opportunities direct some of these girls in being providers for the trade, but I am sure that some will be ready to change for a more normal job.

Fact is that some of them are not prepared to a normal working life as lack of the minimum education or of the basic mental preparation.

Working means also following more strict rules than working at a bar or in a MP.

Some of them cannot interact with basic english to progress into some better jobs. So getting into the P4P job is a compromise.

Some do it with good approach and some do it a bit careless and will not get the best out of it.

But this happens also in normal jobs.

Accepting the job, whatever job it is, helps in standing also the bad sides of it.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1433481]Guys are not paying for a brand name. The brand name Rainbow 4 get customers in the door I do agree. But guys end up paying for the individual girl they like.

Any fool can see see not all Rainbow 4 girls are of the same tier. Some are very beautiful. Many above aveverage looks. A whole lot of average looking. And the CABOOSE girls who bring up the rear. LOL. Personally I don't know what the CABOOSE types get, never did research as I don't want them to get their hope too high in that I might barfine them-I have no problem asking a good earner what they charge just to get a feel for pricing.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 is the "brand name" that street girls of the same quality & for 1/3 the price don't have.

All of the following is included in the Rainbow 4 "brand name" that isn't included with street girls:

1. A chair to sit in.

2. Some nudity.

3. Air con.

4. Drinks served.

5. Roof over your head.

6. Music.

7. Lame assed dancing show.

That's what you're paying extra (3X as much) for when you pick up a hot gogo based hooker instead of a hot street based sex worker. Not a better looking girl.

Some guys think, without any proof I've seen, that they are also getting a cleaner girl as far as STIs & drugs are concerned, if they take a gogo lady instead of a street girl. They might assume R4 girls are tested for STDs & outdoor SWs are not. I've had a dozen street girls tested for HIV who were 100% all negative. OTOH Stickman did report some gogo prostitutes still working while HIV positive & there have been posts re a few street girls doing the same.

Some also think they can make the gogo girl to be held accountable, unlike the street girl. Do you think the gogo manager will listen to your complaint of poor service or attitude or not living up to what was agreed to? Is it worth the bother? Does this accountability equate to better service? From reports I've seen most are dissatisfied with gogo girls performance in the sack.

With the gogos you have to pay a BF (600 baht & up) & drink upfront before you get any bed time. With street girls it's always pay everything after, so if the girl sucks the ball is in your court. If she causes problems, presumably hotel security has her I. D card & will deal with her. I've never had any serious issues. Better to waste 1000 on a poor performer than 3000 baht.

R4 costs more because they can get away with it & they need to do so due to their overhead costs, like advertising, tea money, utilities, employees wages, etc. Street workers don't have these costs, so can charge less.

Don't fool yourself into thinking hot gogo SWs are any hotter than hot street SWs. The only difference is the price & what comes with the brand name.

So if you want to blow 2, 500 baht ST plus BF plus drinks for the brand name R4 hottie, feel free. Others will dish out only 1000 to 1500 for the no name brand street girl who is equally attractive.

Personally, I'm going to follow this advice: "Save your money".

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1433395]Had standards, eh. You mean they wanted to use a condom? For a mere 1000 baht or 30 USD what were you expecting from a SYT, BB anal with PSE? If you prefer, brandname R4 across the street gives you exactly the same quality of girl & dead duck experience for 3X the price. Or you could offer the NCP lady a tip or a decent wage & be surprised at what suddenly happens to her "standards". I can assure you a 1 hour BBBJ would not be out of the realm of infinite possibilities. Try getting that from a gogo girl.[/QUOTE]I never ask around for BB and I ask them for the price so I can estimate their interest if any, I might bargain from 2k to 1. 5k, lower is useless. If the initial is over 2k I just pass to the next one. They are freelancers so they are free to not deal with people in shorts if they choose not to. Hence standards, they like handsum men just as much as the next girl, I accept that and will not beg or try to bribe her with drinks.

[QUOTE=Gorgon;1433665]I never ask around for BB and I ask them for the price so I can estimate their interest if any, I might bargain from 2k to 1. 5k, lower is useless. If the initial is over 2k I just pass to the next one. They are freelancers so they are free to not deal with people in shorts if they choose not to. Hence standards, they like handsum men just as much as the next girl, I accept that and will not beg or try to bribe her with drinks.[/QUOTE]My response was to your comment about 1000 baht SYT street working girls at NCP. Now you're talking about less than 1500 being impossible? Sorry, you've lost me.

Furthermore, your prices in this quote are gogo girl prices, not streetwalker prices, yet you refer to them as "freelancers" which is not normally used of employees of gogos, but rather of independent girls who have no boss, such as those on the street or in places like Beergarden restaurant and Thermae coffee shop / bar. Perhaps you can see my confusion re your post.

As to the matter of the mysterious girls you are referring to having "standards", it seems you are saying now they rejected you because you wore shorts or were not considered "handsome", even though you claimed to have succeeded in boinking these same girls. How can that be? Did you forget to comb your hair on the day of your rejection, while you did comb it on the days you banged them?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1433523]Mr G.

I'm agreeing with you again. LOL. How anyone can think being a prostitute is a good thing is mind boggling. Sure we have fun but for the girls its a dead end like no other.

With my current favorite I told her why don't you skim off some of the money you send to momma to take care of yourself. She said no can. She's quite an earner so I figured she could help momma and herself, not just momma![/QUOTE]Amen. And let us remember, it is a choice they make. Gals NEP are not sold into the game. It is the easy way out. With less than 1% unemployment gals can make a living doing other things. Also student loans are readily available, but many are too locked into their useless parasitic families. I would never take care of a deadbeat family.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1433523]I'm agreeing with you again. LOL. How anyone can think being a prostitute is a good thing is mind boggling. Sure we have fun but for the girls its a dead end like no other[/QUOTE]I didn't say being a prostitute is a good thing, as you are well aware.

Your 'dead end' comments once again shows how clueless you are. Seriously, do you ever actually TALK to the girls?

Also, I was wondering, what does LOL stand for in your posts? You use it on average every ten words. At first I thought it might be 'laugh out loud', like kids and young teenagers say, but now I'm thinking it might stand for something different:

Likes Overpaying Ladies?

[QUOTE=Allover;1433143]Vasu usually gives the best rate of any moneychanger between Nana and Soi 11. When I'm near Cowboy I go to the Citibank ATM at Sukhumvit/Soi Asoke. I have a Citibank account in the U.S.[/QUOTE]I am interested in this question too.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1433512]Man, you are still catering to her and that is the problem. I do live here, so I don't have to cater to working girls. I did not move here to cater to working girls. I expect them to cater to me, which most all did for years, until more and more dudes started deferring to them as they do to women in the West. Now we have working girls who think the customer should cater to them, not the other way around.

Won't go to Asoke? Give me a break. It is at worst a 10 min cab ride in traffic. They expect to hit the ST Hotel in Nana for 15. 20 min and make 2k-3k baht. The amazing thing is dudes allow this. And yes, it is the customer that is creating this attitude, not the gal. GoGos were a wild amount of fun when I moved here. Making out with gals you bought drinks for. Getting hammered with gals in the bars, gals wanting to go LT, etc. Now, meh! Sorry an Isaan girl who is a 7 in looks (about the best you will find in any gogo) and really is not all that skilled in the sack, and wants to hurry on top of it. Give me a break.[/QUOTE]got to agree with the Goat. The analysis is spot on. Who would have thought that BKK go-gos would have devolved into $100 quickie factories? Yet another reason to avoid go-gos, IMHO. They sure ain't what they used to be. I can get the same thing in Tijuana, with better looking girls in many cases, for $20.

Oh, and BTW."You can only barfine me during certain hours?" Seriously? I would have said OK and grabbed the next girl I saw in the bar and headed out, and made sure every girl in the place saw me. Serious loss of face on her part. Asoke, indeed!

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1433850]got to agree with the Goat. The analysis is spot on. Who would have thought that BKK go-gos would have devolved into $100 quickie factories? Yet another reason to avoid go-gos, IMHO. They sure ain't what they used to be. I can get the same thing in Tijuana, with better looking girls in many cases, for $20.

Oh, and BTW."You can only barfine me during certain hours?" Seriously? I would have said OK and grabbed the next girl I saw in the bar and headed out, and made sure every girl in the place saw me. Serious loss of face on her part. Asoke, indeed![/QUOTE]BTW, go read the London forum. 40-60 quid gets you two pops with a hot Eastern Euro gal that provides very good service. That is less than BF, ST, and ST hotel for a quick pop with a Thai GoGo gal and London is an expensive city. Wake up guys. It is way overpriced here.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1433887]Please only respond if you actually seen what a hot Thai girl looks like.[/QUOTE]Please show us all what YOU think a hot Thai girl looks like.

You are the self-proclaimed "resident expert", you think Lance's girls are 5. 5's? Okay, so show us what a "6","7","8","9", and "10" look like in your "expert" opinion.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1433617]Don't fool yourself into thinking hot gogo SWs are any hotter than hot street SWs. The only difference is the price & what comes with the brand name.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with this perspective. In fact in the relatively short time I have been in Thailand I have noticed a distinct decline in the attitude and quality of service from go-go girls.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444;1433887]I give them a 5. 5.[/QUOTE]Read this, it might help:

[url]http://www.realmendrinkwhiskey.com/how-to-rate-girls/[/url]

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1433887]Anyway lets have some fun. SAy Mr Lances girls were all from the street. What ratings would you give them as a group.

Mr L we have to assume he would post the best he got-he thinks they are 9s and 10s. LOL.

I think as a group rating they are avg Thailand fare, so I give them a 5. 5.[/QUOTE]Harold, you are missing the point here completely and in doing so are leaving yourself wide open for a less than positive response. It is irrelevant how you or anyone else rates the girls Mr L considers to be top of the pile street workers.

For example number 24 at Annie's has been well documented on this forum to the point of reverence. A very long time friend of mine tried her back in March and rated her as one of the top three experiences he has ever had and believe me he has had his fair share and more. Personally she just does not do it for me looks wise, the point being a rating system is only relevant to the person making the rating. Another friend who lives here laughs when I point out a lady I think is hot, his tastes are completely opposite.

You rate Mr L's top choice of ladies as 5. 5 but as in the case of Pattaya you have never seen them? I am not having a dig at you, I am simply suggesting you might do well to reign your neck in a bit instead of criticizing other people's choice of venue or ladies.

Incidentally I am impressed you seem to be branching out and going to Cowboy instead of being bled dry by the same R4 girl who keeps heaping on more and more preconditions. Try to remember there are a million of them for you to choose from, there are not a million of you for them to choose from. You are the Boss, respect them by all means but never lose sight of the fact you are the one calling the "shots".

Regards,

BJ

Hi Guys,

Spent a few days in Bangkok. Fun can be had here. Still a good place to go. WG on street will ask 1000 Baht for ST, real low price, yeah. But lot of them are ladyboys. Not my thing at all. Girl at GoGo is 600 Baht Barfine plus 2000 Baht shorttime which you can negotiate to 1500 for ST if it's getting late night time (say after 01h00). Depends on the girl. So it is possible to have 2 hours of fun for 2100 baht = some 55 Euro. That's a good deal guys. I'm still very much in favour of Bangkok. Girls are mostly kind too, friendlier than Vietnam's, Chinese. Just MHO.

Called Cherry's massage for outcall. 2500 for 2 hours. Asked for the girl Vodka. She is pretty tall (1m70) , Somewhat Chinese looking and sexy / friendly. She loved DATY and I did too. Good experience. Just treat her well and she'll return the favour.

Enjoy,

Dutch44

Another thing I wanted to share: In Soi Cowboy I most liked the SHARKS GoGo bar. Good energy, nice girls, really good music. It was also the place that had the least girls trying to pull people in from the street all the time. I 'm sure there are other good bars too, but this one turned out to be my favourite.

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Linkwray666; 1433985]Please show us all what YOU think a hot Thai girl looks like.

You are the self-proclaimed "resident expert", you think Lance's girls are 5. 5's? Okay, so show us what a "6","7","8","9", and "10" look like in your "expert" opinion.[/QUOTE]Have the feeling we might end up in seeing a 4, relabelled 9. Just as some shops do when playing with price tags.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1433617]Rainbow 4 is the "brand name" that street girls of the same quality & for 1/3 the price don't have.

All of the following is included in the Rainbow 4 "brand name" that isn't included with street girls:

1. A chair to sit in.

2. Some nudity.

3. Air con.

4. Drinks served.

5. Roof over your head.

6. Music.

7. Lame assed dancing show...[/QUOTE]I nominate this for post of the year! All of the reasons as to why I stopped frequenting the gogos a long long time ago. Complete, total, absolute ripoff these days.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1433714]My response was to your comment about 1000 baht SYT street working girls at NCP. Now you're talking about less than 1500 being impossible? Sorry, you've lost me.

Furthermore, your prices in this quote are gogo girl prices, not streetwalker prices, yet you refer to them as "freelancers" which is not normally used of employees of gogos, but rather of independent girls who have no boss, such as those on the street or in places like Beergarden restaurant and Thermae coffee shop / bar. Perhaps you can see my confusion re your post.

As to the matter of the mysterious girls you are referring to having "standards", it seems you are saying now they rejected you because you wore shorts or were not considered "handsome", even though you claimed to have succeeded in boinking these same girls. How can that be? Did you forget to comb your hair on the day of your rejection, while you did comb it on the days you banged them?[/QUOTE]Impossible? Lower is useless I wrote. I have taken the parking lot girls for 1k in trips before when I did not really care if they cared or not. As I get older I do prefer some signs of pulse. The confusion might be from that I did not differentiate in detail between the parking lot and the gogo area? I assumed people could reason that one out unaided.

Much has been written here about a possible decline in the performance of Rainbow 4 and other go go girls in general. In BKK everything is negotiable. When I am discussing ST with a go go girl I always talk about the time she will be required to spend and whether it is 1 or 2 pops. I used to get 2 pops most of the time but one is usually enough now for ST for me. I'm not getting any younger.

In Nana Plaza go go girl negotiations, I always clarify that we will go back to my hotel and not use the short time rooms there. Some of the Nana hotties prefer to use the ST rooms there but I don't.

[QUOTE=Dutch44; 1434065]Another thing I wanted to share: In Soi Cowboy I most liked the SHARKS GoGo bar. Good energy, nice girls, really good music. It was also the place that had the least girls trying to pull people in from the street all the time. I 'm sure there are other good bars too, but this one turned out to be my favourite.

Enjoy[/QUOTE]Agree 100, Shark is tops for me as well. Will be the first place I hit on my next trip.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1434069]Have the feeling we might end up in seeing a 4, relabelled 9. Just as some shops do when playing with price tags.[/QUOTE]I have the feeling we will see nothing, the guy is all talk and no walk.

Hi!

I'm new so I hope I'm asking in the right place.

I am going to Bangkok in a couple of weeks and am arriving at about 08:00 am at my hotel in Sukhumvit Road. I would like to instantly start having sex. I have looked around at some of the more famous venues but with no luck, not even with outcall services. For example the Eden Club dosen't seem to be possible to book ladies from them earlier than noon.

The earliest place I have found for visits is Annies at 10:00, but that to seems a little late for me as I will want to get right down to business on arrival. Preferably I would like one or a couple of ladies waiting for me in the hotelroom when I arrive. Preferably somewhat "high end" girls (I. E. Young and slim).

Both advice on outcall services and places to visit between 8-10 am would be of great help!

Is it possible to have sex in Bangkok at such an early hour?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1434045]Whats this fascination with stunners and Harold? I'm not the one claiming I found and fucked stunners. Its mr Lance who is making the claim. I just commented the pics he posted are not stunners. Mr Kramden said the same[/QUOTE]Yet again, you completely miss the point. Do you think someone who reviews books for a living thinks to themselves 'hmm. What would everyone else mark it? '. They don't, they mark it on how much THEY enjoyed it. It was my diary, with my personal thoughts and experiences. If I mark a girl 10/10 then they are exactly the type I go for. Not just looks-wise but attitude, personality and performance. I went with 22 girls on this trip and I rated four of them 10/10s. That's because for a few hours they were the perfect girl for me. I wouldn't expect them to be perfect for you or other people, just ME. It was MY diary. It's not rocket science but seemingly beyond your comprehension.

I don't for one moment expect everyone to think the girls I posted photos of are 'stunners', nor do I look for 'validation' as you ridiculously suggest on the Photo Gallery thread. I accept that guys go for different types of girls, unlike you who has an overly simplistic and hopelessly naive view that there is a definitive right and wrong when it comes to beauty! According to you, the girls you like are great and the girls others like are 'standard fare'.

It's perhaps this arrogance and lack of respect for other people opinions and the girls in general that makes you the least popular person I have encountered on this forum and the reason why people block you and you receive so many STFU's. I notice you've had yet another post deleted by admin for being 'antagonistic' but quite honestly I am staggered that you haven't had your account deleted because that's all you do, antagonise. You don't add anything to this forum at all. This thread has had some really great field reports on it recently but they're all buried beneath an avalanche of your juvenile ramblings.

On a side-note, I want to dispel a myth that Dr BJ picked upon. I did not suggest that all freelance girls in Nana Hotel's parking lot are 'stunners', as you well know. I suggested that some of them were good-looking young girls and could easily be on stage in the gogo bars. Big difference. I even provided a photo. Freelance scenes by their very nature have gems just waiting to be found. You just can't accept this. You naively think that the more money you pay, the better the girl which perfectly demonstrates how little you know.

You also seem fixated by saying that I said that gogo girls can be bar-fined for 1000 baht. I never said that, as you well know. I simply retold my experience on day two of my diary, when I bar-fined a lovely girl from Shark for 2000 baht (she quoted 2500 but unlike you I talked her down in price). She was a very pretty girl with a fun personality and a definite head-turner (I wrote about a specific instance in my diary in fact). We went to my room for short-time and then afterwards she told me that she was going to Nana Liquid and invited me along. She told me she often goes to the clubs after work. The rest is common sense. I paid BF600 + ST2000 + four lady-drinks for her, over 3000 in total. Had I met her in the nightclub later that night do you really think I'd pay that much for short-time? Of course not. I reckon 1500 tops which is half price. This very basic concept seems completely beyond your grasp.

Regarding the photos of girls, I genuinely don't mind one bit whether you think they are pretty or not. In fact I find it comforting that we go for different types of girls! But I can't let your comment about Mr Kramden pass by without comment. It's funny how you call upon support from Mr Kramden but he said 'excellent collection of girls' and 'All great but #s 9 and 10 are exceptional'. How is that supporting your argument that my girls are ugly? You're really not very bright are you?

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1434051]Harold, you are missing the point here completely and in doing so are leaving yourself wide open for a less than positive response. It is irrelevant how you or anyone else rates the girls Mr L considers to be top of the pile street workers.

For example number 24 at Annie's has been well documented on this forum to the point of reverence. A very long time friend of mine tried her back in March and rated her as one of the top three experiences he has ever had and believe me he has had his fair share and more. Personally she just does not do it for me looks wise, the point being a rating system is only relevant to the person making the rating. Another friend who lives here laughs when I point out a lady I think is hot, his tastes are completely opposite..J[/QUOTE]My friend the Dr is back. I'm incognito, I may have been a bit too aggressive on one my posts.

You are a very straight shooter. So am I. I tell it like it is. I need not be as straight as you as I'm anonymous, I can be more intense one might say. All in fun though- I really don't take BKK prostitution seriously-never did never will. It s serious for the girls.its their lives.

1. Rating systems do work (although I could argue pricing is a better indicator of girls looks). A guy did a writeup a few months back. Ex. Ugly Thai girl is probably considered ugly in Mexico and vice versa.

2. Weve seen Mr Lancelots flock of girls. He posted like 7 of them. Go find it and give us your thoughts-its in recent post maybe in photo thread. I'm not criticizing anyones choice of venues. But his claims to finding 9s and 10s is just silly.

I still haven't seen anyone rate his girls as a group. I think its because guys don't want to hurt his feelings.

I give you Pattaya as a point against me. But their pricing screams unattractive girls by the boatload. Its not uncommon to see other guys with my view also.

Ill confess I've never actually walked more than 20 feet into the Beergarden. Knowing their pricing and what I saw 5 feet into the place I didn't need to go all the way in to see what its all about. Had the feel of a old mans Hells Angels kind of place.

3. I said I tell it like it is. Example. I've been here a week- my observation of Rainbow 4 is it sucks at the moment-downright awful. Even my sweet asshole lovely girl can't keep me coming every night. She is about the only thing that interest me there now. My attendance there is god awful now. 50% attendance rate.

Can you give me examples how my Rainbow 4 girl is bleeding me dry? I have fun I pay-isn't that how it works. I guess you missed out on the post where I said I had over 150 sessions with a VIP massage girl. If this girl came back from phuket I'd get 150 more sessions.

About me branching out on this trip-you are very observant fellow. Last night went to VIP massage to give it another try. Got the girl I wanted but oops she started with the towel routine. Luckily all went well- good enough that ill repeat in the near future.

Went to Rainbow 2. Very nice lineup, then 15 minutes in the hot girls-those who I doubt will go to after hours disco and charge 1000, started getting barfined. In a matter of minutes the line-up was full of cabooses.

On a whim I went into Rainbow 1. The line-up was immensely better than what Rainbow 4 has at the moment. Simply amazing! It was a full house too, only seat open were stage seats.

Sharks has been dropped off my to do list. There 70 baht happy hour not good anymore.

Feel free to rip my butt to shreds if you want, more fun!

Gentlemen, the reports I am reading are starting to worry me. Has BKK really gotten as bad as it sounds for mongers?

Are there as many pretty ladies available as a few years ago or have they gone elsewhere to ply their trade? Is 1500ST / 2000-2500LT still the norm for attractive go-go girls? Is there really a crisis of poor attitudes and sub-one-hour ST's?

Spend time in Bangkok or head straight to Pattaya? What % of a trip would you recommend to be allocated to visiting BKK?

Yeah, I know a lot of questions but maybe someone will see a question they would like to answer.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Oldian;1434077]I nominate this for post of the year! All of the reasons as to why I stopped frequenting the gogos a long long time ago. Complete, total, absolute ripoff these days.[/QUOTE]Yep, spot on. That combined with the lack of performance and the want to hurry back to the bar to get another 2k ST makes 'them a complete waste of time, money, and energy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1434341]Yep, spot on. That combined with the lack of performance and the want to hurry back to the bar to get another 2k ST makes 'them a complete waste of time, money, and energy.[/QUOTE]I'm still puzzled by guys claims of top Rainbow quality girls are to be had walking the street. You want to opine MR Goat. Theres quita a few ugly Rainbow girls that belong on the street.

I just don't see the avg and above girls doing street work for 1000 baht. What the f. K am I missing?

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Forgot. When one of the pretty girls in Rainbow 1 opened her mouth to smile, all I could think of was Mr ED (the horse of course). What an unusual feature! For any of you who wanted to do a farm animal she would be your choice.

Ippuns are number 1 as far as hooker customers go!

Has anyone ever seen an Ippun negotiating with a streetwalker? I've only seen Indians, Arabs, Pakis, Dodgy Farang hooligan types and africans.

If hot streetwalkers were equivalent to hot Rainbow girls it would make sense ippuns would rather pay 1000 baht over 3000 baht short time. I sure would.

If the hot girls started hanging out at the local BKK library I bet the Ippuns would be right on their tail.

Nana liquids doesn't scream out hot chicks, certainly not Head Turners (now its 1500). A head turner (9or above in my scale) should easily be able to get more money.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]My friend the Dr is back. I'm incognito, I may have been a bit too aggressive on one my posts.[/QUOTE]Harold, if you want to post under a pseudonym and remain incognito you are not supposed to tell people you are.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]You are a very straight shooter. So am I .I tell it like it is.[/QUOTE]Harold, you don't 'tell it like it is' you tell it how you interpret it to be. Now everyone is perfectly entitled to have their own point of view but you have demonstrated a rigid inability to accept that other people can have a different perspective without making them misguided or wrong.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]1. Rating systems do work (although I could argue pricing is a better indicator of girls looks). A guy did a writeup a few months back. Ex. Ugly Thai girl is probably considered ugly in Mexico and vice versa.[/QUOTE]I agree rating systems do work but only for the individual person concerned. You seem to have trouble differentiating between what is a fact and what is an opinion. Did you bother to read the link Mr L posted? If not I suggest you do, it explains rating systems are purely subjective and even then there are flaws.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]2. Weve seen Mr Lancelots flock of girls. He posted like 7 of them. Go find it and give us your thoughts-its in recent post maybe in photo thread. I'm not criticizing anyones choice of venues. But his claims to finding 9s and 10s is just silly.[/QUOTE]See above quote.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]I still haven't seen anyone rate his girls as a group. I think its because guys don't want to hurt his feelings[/QUOTE]You haven't seen this and probably won't because other people have grasped the principle of subjectivity.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]I give you Pattaya as a point against me. But their pricing screams unattractive girls by the boatload. Its not uncommon to see other guys with my view also.[/QUOTE]Really? What other guys? You seem to be fixated with the notion that pricing is the definitive measurement in any rating system, I disagree, I think there are many other parameters which have to be taken into account.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]Can you give me examples how my Rainbow 4 girl is bleeding me dry?[/QUOTE]Perhaps bleeding you dry was a little strong, I concede. You gave examples yourself. You posted that she was imposing stricter rules IE giving you time slots when you could BF her and at the same time asking for an increase in the ST fee, coupled with an initial reluctance to take a ten minute taxi ride to your Hotel. This is 'not' how it works. At the end of the day it is your money and you can dispose of it as you see fit.

One common trend WG's seem to display is that the more one particular person BF's them the more complacent they become.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]About me branching out on this trip-you are very observant fellow. Last night went to VIP massage to give it another try. Got the girl I wanted but oops she started with the towel routine. Luckily all went well- good enough that ill repeat in the near future[/QUOTE]Good for you, I am genuinely glad to hear you are going elsewhere and having a good time.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]Went to Rainbow 2. Very nice line-up, then 15 minutes in the hot girls-those who I doubt will go to afterhours disco and charge 1000, started getting barfined[/QUOTE]I have probably been to five night clubs in the whole time I have lived here and even then went in with a lady so I have no idea of the pricing or origin of the ladies plying their trade there. I think Skogis would probably be best qualified to shed some light on this subject.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434307]Feel free to rip my butt to shreds if you want[/QUOTE]It was never my intention to 'rip your butt to shreds'. I just think you have a narrow perspective in that if someone expresses an opinion that does not fit with what you think is the norm then they are at best delusional and at worst completely wrong.

Regards,

BJ

Been to Dominica Republic and Costa Rica recently. Live near Tijuana and visit often. Thanks to quality reports like Sir Lances my trips have been the best. Leave for LOS June 26. I have taken notes. If some cute girl grabs my unit after great sex and giggles I miss your banana. That's a 10 in my book. Way to go Sir L.

Thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=WhiteWhale; 1434245]Hi!

I'm new so I hope I'm asking in the right place.

I am going to Bangkok in a couple of weeks and am arriving at about 08:00 am at my hotel in Sukhumvit Road. I would like to instantly start having sex. I have looked around at some of the more famous venues but with no luck, not even with outcall services. For example the Eden Club dosen't seem to be possible to book ladies from them earlier than noon.

The earliest place I have found for visits is Annies at 10:00, but that to seems a little late for me as I will want to get right down to business on arrival. Preferably I would like one or a couple of ladies waiting for me in the hotelroom when I arrive. Preferably somewhat "high end" girls (I. E. Young and slim).

Both advice on outcall services and places to visit between 8-10 am would be of great help!

Is it possible to have sex in Bangkok at such an early hour?[/QUOTE]When and where will you be arriving in BKK? Traffic man? Early check in? Really? 10 am may be just right for yo.

[quote=whitewhale;1434245]is it possible to have sex in bangkok at such an early hour?[/quote]if you don't want to book an escort girl that picks you up at the airport, then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s at sukhumvit soi 8 might be your best option. probably just a bj, but better than nothing.

anyway i'd rather check out if you can have an early check in at your hotel. shave, take a shower, take a shit, just relax for a couple of minutes and then head to mango massage or cherry massage at 10 am

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1434325]Gentlemen, the reports I am reading are starting to worry me. Has BKK really gotten as bad as it sounds for mongers?

Are there as many pretty ladies available as a few years ago or have they gone elsewhere to ply their trade? Is 1500ST / 2000-2500LT still the norm for attractive go-go girls? Is there really a crisis of poor attitudes and sub-one-hour ST's?

Spend time in Bangkok or head straight to Pattaya? What % of a trip would you recommend to be allocated to visiting BKK?

Yeah, I know a lot of questions but maybe someone will see a question they would like to answer.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I think Bangkok is still a great place to live or visit. In essence I think the places to have good service is shifting from the go-go bars to the massage parlours, this is only my opinion. A few years ago it seemed every now and again you got bad service from a go-go girl, I think this has changed to every now and again you get very good service from these girls. In my favourite soapy I have had one average performance and all the rest have been very good. Personally I am drifting towards massage places as opposed to go-go's. As far as pricing in concerned it is more like 2, 000 for ST and 3-4, 000 LT (this is for Bangkok). I am not saying this is a concrete price structure across the board but as a general guide line.

I would suggest staying in Bangkok for a few days before heading to Pattaya. Whether you prefer one over the other is a matter of personal taste.

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1434325]Gentlemen, the reports I am reading are starting to worry me. Has BKK really gotten as bad as it sounds for mongers?

Are there as many pretty ladies available as a few years ago or have they gone elsewhere to ply their trade? Is 1500ST / 2000-2500LT still the norm for attractive go-go girls? Is there really a crisis of poor attitudes and sub-one-hour ST's?

Spend time in Bangkok or head straight to Pattaya? What % of a trip would you recommend to be allocated to visiting BKK?

Yeah, I know a lot of questions but maybe someone will see a question they would like to answer.

Thanks![/QUOTE]Do not be worried at all, you will have a great time. There are still LOTS of pretty girls. I was in Bangkok recently. I recommend visiting Mandarin, Rainbow4, Shark, Tilac and Baccara. Sub-one-hour short-times only seem to happen to one member on here, now deleted, but if you are worried about it when you talk money in the bar with your choice of girl, ask 'short-time. 2 hours? '. Your prices are a little out-of-date though. Good-looking gogo girls in Bangkok will ask for 2500 short-time but if you've got a bit of charm, all will come down to 2000 without any fuss.

As for what percentage to spend in Bangkok. I'd split it 30% BKK and 70% PTT. I had a great time in Pattaya. Walking Street has BKK prices but is a blast. Lots of pretty girls and lots of great bars. Soi LK Metro is worth visiting, as is Soi 6 is you want a bit of sleaze. The most pleasant surprise for me on my recent trip were the massage parlours. Dream Teen girls give great performance, there are some lovely girls in Sabai Dee, Honey and Honey 2 and treat yourself to a threesome at Devil's Den. It's pricy but worth every baht!

As I said, you will have a great time. Don't let the negative experiences of one person make you think otherwise. Enjoy!

[quote=monopoly; 1434325]gentlemen, the reports i am reading are starting to worry me. has bkk really gotten as bad as it sounds for mongers?

are there as many pretty ladies available as a few years ago or have they gone elsewhere to ply their trade? is 1500st / 2000-2500lt still the norm for attractive go-go girls? is there really a crisis of poor attitudes and sub-one-hour st's?

spend time in bangkok or head straight to pattaya? what % of a trip would you recommend to be allocated to visiting bkk?

yeah, i know a lot of questions but maybe someone will see a question they would like to answer.

thanks![/quote]everyone is going to have a different opinion on your questions so to a large extent they are pretty useless. nevertheless, i will give mine.

this is regarding bangkok though i would say in general it is for pattaya as well. when you talk about "are there as many pretty ladies available as a few years ago", you have to differentiate between types of venues. i know nothing about massage parlors or high end gentlemen's clubs. the first i don't enjoy, the second i can't afford. so i basically refer to freelancers and go-go girls.

this will be argued to the end of time, but imo the world of freelancers is a shadow of a shadow of what it was 10 years ago and just a shadow of what it was 3 years ago. i wish i knew why but the freelancer scene has aged considerably on average, many of the old ones are still around and very few younger girls are entering into this market. so the numbers have thinned and they are aging before our eyes, so if you go to some of the once very good fl locations such as the nana parking lot, gullivers, the beer garden and climax and other late night discos, there is much much less talent than there was a few years ago. that doesn't mean you won't find some nice looking girls, it just means it is a lot more work unless you like girls 30+ in which case you will do just fine. i'd say pattaya is the same, beach road is a wasteland, walking street is the walking wounded and the girls who hit the late night discos are younger than in bangkok but not much prettier. thermae is a special case that has already been talked to death, some nice looking girls but mostly preferring a different clientele than farangs, which is of course their right.

gogos are such a mixed bag and so changeable from day to day. most gogos have some very nice looking girls but the majority of girls have no right to be on a stage working their body before our eyes. there are a lot of girls that i feel like paying to keep their clothes on. there have always been unattractive girls in gogos, but this is an onslaught. it is pretty common knowledge here in bkk that the owners of the bars are having a hard time finding pretty girls who want to be largely unclad and allow men to grope them for the price of a drink. i can't imagine why. so they fill the bars with as many girls as the mamasan can scoop up and they range in general from zero-7. but you can find some fine looking girls if you look hard enough and act quickly enough. right now, at this point of time, i have never seen it so bad in nana plaza. it is the slow season and so many of the cute girls from a few months ago, before i went home for 2 months, have just disappeared. so gogos like mercury, mandarin, rb4, billboard and the eroticas that i thought had a lot of good looking girls are now very much lacking in them. the nice thing about visiting of course is that you really only need to find a few to make the trip worthwhile and that is very possible.

as to service, of course it is diminishing. that has been a trend in the go-gos for years now. faster pussycat faster. but what is adding to it is that now the gogos themselves are complicit in this behavior. they often encourage the girls to get back quickly and in some cases they mandate that a short time is really a short time and the girl has to be back by a certain hour. they also often don't want girls being barfined until a certain hour because the real money comes from drinks and no girls=no customers drinking in the bar. and they very much push the girls to use st hotels in the area and there is nothing like a st hotel to take the fun and romance out of the experience. it is all about churning. these places can show something to a boiler room stock operation, which not coincidentally the owners of nana plaza and many of the gogos used to do. the gogos are no longer owned for the most part by ex-pats who knew about service and attitudes. they have all been pushed out and most of the gogos are now owned by businessmen who believe very much in making money and so are running it with an eye towards scale, speed and process. push drinks, push girls. bring in six sigma. and like most businesses that do this, they are taking the life out of it. but all that said, some go-go girls are great, but you need the skill of a fortune teller combined with that of a diviner to know which will give you good service and which won't. i have a friend who uses the 20 question format and that rarely pans out as planned, others who try to get cozy in the bar and gauge the girl's receptiveness and that often fails. i have one friend who won't bar fine a girl till he has sat with her a number of times and bought her drinks before he is willing to take a chance. it's all crazy. you take your chances and often take your lumps.

[quote=zauberfee; 1434414]if you don't want to book an escort girl that picks you up at the airport, then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s at sukhumvit soi 8 might be your best option. probably just a bj, but better than nothing.

anyway i'd rather check out if you can have an early check in at your hotel. shave, take a shower, take a shit, just relax for a couple of minutes and then head to mango massage or cherry massage at 10 am[/quote]i'm not certain when [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s opens. definitely by 11, maybe a bit earlier. you can definitely get laid at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but best not to wait until you're upstairs to find out. a quickie interview initially would be the way to go.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1434475]Everyone is going to have a different opinion on your questions so to a large extent they are pretty useless. Nevertheless, I will give mine.

This is regarding Bangkok though I would say in general it is for Pattaya as well. When you talk about "Are there as many pretty ladies available as a few years ago", you have to differentiate between types of venues. I know nothing about massage parlors or high end Gentlemen's Clubs. The first I don't enjoy, the second I can't afford. So I basically refer to freelancers and go-go girls...[/QUOTE]Exact same thing I'm seeing. Especially the Pattaya part.

This guy just puts it in a nicer way. I'm more in your face. It may take me months or years before I'm comfortable barfining a hot agogo girl.

My gentlemens answer to his questions about long term with pretty girl at 2500. No can do!

You know if girls are pressured to return bar quickly-that might explain why my sweet girl is a bit hesitant to go beyond Nana area. I thought girl were free to do whaever they wanted to do once they got barfined.

Thailand, like in many parts of Asia, is undergoing an economic boom thanks to cheap money.

This is all down to Quantative Easing in the US and Europe, quite simply the money printed in the US / EU is pumped directly into Asia to get high percentage returns, which has left the US / EU with an ongoing credit crunch as all the money printed flies into Asia.

Its why Asian currencies have got very strong. But of course its ony a bubble and the bubble will burst and when the money leaves and goes back to the US / EU then Asia will collapse again. 1997 saw the Asian collapse. 2007 the US / EU collapse and another 10 years to 2017 will see another Asian collapse.

However, in the meantime Thailand has 100% employment, meaning anyone can find a job and in this economic climate there is little need for girls to go freelancing. So for the next couple of years there will be a shortage of new blood into the freelancer market but the moment Asia starts on its collapse and businesses start to collapse and jobs are lost then a whole load of new meat will come into the freelancing market.

So its not going to be a good few years for mongering but then it will be like Christmas all over again. The smart money is already starting to pull out and its why you see the baht now starting to fall, along with other Asian currencies. It will not be an overnight thing, it will take a couple of years, but the whole Asian economic boom (thanks to US / EU money printing) will explode and leave a trail of destruction in a couple of years, a situation which will be most beneficial to mongers.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1434475]This will be argued to the end of time, but imo the world of freelancers is a shadow of a shadow of what it was 10 years ago and just a shadow of what it was 3 years ago. I wish I knew why but the freelancer scene has aged considerably on average, many of the old ones are still around and very few younger girls are entering into this market...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WhiteWhale; 1434245]. The earliest place I have found for visits is Annies at 10:00, but that to seems a little late for me as I will want to get right down to business on arrival. Preferably I would like one or a couple of ladies waiting for me in the hotelroom when I arrive. Preferably somewhat "high end" girls (I. E. Young and slim).

Both advice on outcall services and places to visit between 8-10 am would be of great help!

Is it possible to have sex in Bangkok at such an early hour?[/QUOTE]Call Sabai Sabai Massage parlor (open 24 hrs) Google and get their web site. They will send a girl over to your room or you can go there and you can negotiate with her directly. Don't expect much in the looks department but you can get your rocks off.

Does anyone have a map or could point me in the right direction for a map of Bangkok? I did a search and nothing came up. Thanks a lot

[QUOTE=JayHighFive;1434589]Does anyone have a map or could point me in the right direction for a map of Bangkok? I did a search and nothing came up. Thanks a lot[/QUOTE]You really didn't look very hard.

[url]http://wikitravel.org/en/Bangkok[/url]

[QUOTE]Can some one tell me the name of the better money changer around Soi 11.[/QUOTE][url]Http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE]Spend time in Bangkok or head straight to Pattaya? What of a trip would you recommend to be allocated to visiting BKK?[/QUOTE]To me, it comes down to what I prefer to do when I am *not* chasing girls.

Pattaya is a beach resort, where virtually everybody is on a holiday. (Or lucky enough to live there.) This creates a laid back ambiance that I find soothing. I can sit by the shore and contemplate life, with abundant food and beverage close at hand. I can duck into a tiny bar and have a drink at noon while watching sports on the television. I can join my mates for a meal or watch the human condition on full display on Walking Street every night. The place just lowers my blood pressure.

Bangkok is a big city that is a center commerce and government. The urban vibe is intense, but it's a great place to shop, to sightsee and to soak up some culture in a place where the punter scene is a tiny island in the overall metropolitan area.

My preferred itinerary involves landing at BKK and heading straight for Pattaya, for about 80 percent of my stay. If I arrange my flights with care, I can clear immigration in the morning and be settled in my lodging a few hours later, which gives me time for a combat nap before going out on the town that evening. I'm fighting a 12-hour time difference and this helps me minimize jet lag.

Eventually Pattaya starts to feel a little small, which is the perfect time to head back to Bangkok for the last 20 percent of my trip. The girls are different and the scene is different and that prevents boredom from setting in. I'm am also much closer to the airport than I would be in Pattaya. I'm not wild about starting a 24-hour airline trip with a long cab ride up from Pattaya.

Of course, as they say on the Interwebs, your mileage may vary. Maybe you are a foodie who is dying to sample Bangkok's amazing cuisine and not so interested in the one hundred different versions of English breakfast on offer in Pattaya. Perhaps you're a clothes horse and you need to make multiple trips to your tailor to ensure everything fits just so. Or it could be you've looking to get some world class medical treatment at rock bottom prices. In which case ignore my advice and spend most of your time in Bangkok.

Bunky

ThePro liked your economic breakdown and finding your posts very informative. This one I agree with and get a kick out of. If you take a dark skinned girl out you will get dirty looks but they perform sexually 1000 times better. They are up for everything and would take a dick for 20 hours straight.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1221062]I think this needs to be tied down.

Most men with a brain will go for a girl who gives them great sex.

I mean, in Thailand what is the point of having a nice looking girl on your arm if she is lousy or just plain normal in bed...[/QUOTE]

LOL, I am sorry Exec Talent I didn't ask the question correctly. I am asking for a map that lists some of the establishments with working girls and things related to why we travel there. I have seen these kind of maps in several other countries but have not here and was wounding if one exists.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent; 1434606]You really didn't look very hard.

[url]http://wikitravel.org/en/Bangkok[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayHighFive;1434678]LOL, I am sorry Exec Talent I didn't ask the question correctly. I am asking for a map that lists some of the establishments with working girls and things related to why we travel there. I have seen these kind of maps in several other countries but have not here and was wounding if one exists.[/QUOTE][url]Https://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=211157051689439137713.00044836624e9b986acc9&msa=0[/url]

There you go.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1434684][url]Https://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?msid=211157051689439137713.00044836624e9b986acc9&msa=0[/url]

There you go.[/QUOTE]And here's the one for the soapies: [url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.774483,100.575371&spn=0.059104,0.066175&z=14[/url]

(from former member Mick Licker)

[QUOTE=Zauberfee; 1434688]And here's the one for the soapies:

[url]http://maps.google.com.au/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=au&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=112522687346612693021.0004488989cf3827c091b&ll=13.774483,100.575371&spn=0.059104,0.066175&z=14[/url]

([b]from former member Mick Licker) [/b][/QUOTE]Ahahahaha the irony

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1434345]I'm still puzzled by guys claims of top Rainbow quality girls are to be had walking the street. You want to opine MR Goat. Theres quita a few ugly Rainbow girls that belong on the street.

I just don't see the avg and above girls doing street work for 1000 baht. What the f. K am I missing?[/QUOTE]You need to get out more, Harold. Then you would see them & could ask them yourself.

For various reasons there are very sexy ladies who don't want to work under a gogo pimp, er manager, or the many rules involved.

Moreover, some may have employment or other obligations at night that exclude the possibility of evening gogo work.

I wonder if R4 hires any hot deaf girls like you see working the NCP. Got to love that, a girl who can't spoil the mood with a constant blabbermouth. I wonder if they hire stunners who have minor flaws like baby belly or some scars from a motor bike accident.

Some gorgeous school, university or factory girls just want to hook part time or occasionally, so may not be feel it's worth it to go through all the hassles of joining a gogo, if a gogo even hires such types.

Maybe they'd rather work the street subtily than make a public spectacle of themselves, in their underwear, or semi or fully nude, with dozens of men gawking at & eye fucking them, on the dance stage. IOW maybe they're shy or are concerned about that all important Thai concept of "saving face".

I saw out working on soi 4 an ex Rainbow 4 lady the other day. Still hot enough to be top 3 there. And probably still with the same service & attitude that most guys find with their gogo experiences. So why isn't she still working there?

I hit the street recently & the first working girl I saw was prettier than any of about 15 dancers I saw later at R2 around 930 to 10 pm on a Friday night.

You don't see average or above average girls working the street for 1000B? How could you when you're never out there. Where would you like them to work if they are not the type preferred by the mostly Asian customers of places like R2, or the gogos have 2 girls for every customer. If there's a market for attractive 1000B ST girls who can get way more customers that way than in a gogo, what do you think is going to happen? It's just the simple law of supply and demand, not rocket science, Harold.

We have 2 differing views on the state of agogos. In one corner DRronins very accurate description of what goes on there in the other corner a guy full of buffalo excrement.

They both can't be right. One claims short short times the other says 2 hour short times can be had- Who is a newbie to believe?

Mr Ronin can you go over the 20 questions your friend uses to assess his girls. I'm alway looking for humour! Just no way to judge chemistry till you get them naked in the room.

This only applies to Rainbow as they have a massive cllient base. First they really should raise their drink prices to 200 baht. Where else are we going to go? Only real competitor is Baccara. Tourist would pay. Locals may not but are locals a significant part of their income-ALL who live here have bad things to say about Rainbow 4. I agree wholeheartdly but I don't barfine much, so I still enjoy what they offer, just an inexpensive place to hang out.

To combat girls being barfined too much during primetime or anytime barfines should be raised to 900 baht. 600 after 1am, whatevere. The hot girls will still get barfined so they will still rake in the coin. I would pay 900 barfine on the times I do choose to barfine. Come on $9 isn't going to stop Mr Nishikawa from barfining a hot girl.

The losers in all of this would be the multitude of cold girls, the lower 60 percentile so to say. But really who cares, where else they going to go, the streets?

The bar could also lower the barfine for the uglies down to 300 baht. Might get the bar a few more barfines a night. I doubt it though as guys don't go to Rainbow for ugly girl. If guys want ugly girl they need to hit the pavement. No need to pay for the "BRAND name ugly girl generic ugly girl much cheaper".

To the good DR. 600 baht for pretty gems in Pattaya is all I need to know about Pattaya. Also long time 1500 baht. Then you see photos of actual girls on the forum specializing in Pattaya, Sir Ls girls among that bunch would certianly qualify as 10s.

Did my R4 favorite raise the price on me? Did she tell you this? DrRonins claim the girls were being pressured to be back at the bar and not take their time on short times does ring a bell. When I asked why I was given a bad time slot she said she had to be back at the bar. I thought she meant she had a customer lined up- but on 2nd thought that didn't make sense as would she have a customer lined up at 10:30 for the whole 90 days I'm here. I just need to barfine her once in my given time slot to see whats up-which I will do.

If their was ever an aggogo girl I would barfine a 100 times-she would be the one.

I too am not a follower of discos. Tony H goes there a lot. I just don't recall Nana Liquids being mentioned a s a place to go for head turners. I'm thinking Nana L is similiar to the disco that was operated in the Nana hotel. I once went in there looking for the hot chicks that were supposed to be there after hours. All I saw was old ugly dark skin skinny girls. Just awful! Of course the prices being posted on the internet was quite reasonable.

Doc you are a businessman- follow the money! Answers a lot. It may not tell you everything you need to know but its a start. Come on now. 1000 baht for hot streetwalkers?

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434511]You know if girls are pressured to return bar quickly-that might explain why my sweet girl is a bit hesitant to go beyond Nana area. I thought girl were free to do whaever they wanted to do once they got barfined.[/QUOTE]In some go-go bars the girls still have that option but I have heard many stories from guys about the girls telling them that they are expected back and a couple of times about mamasans calling the girl and asking her where she is. I think that Pattaya is actually leading the way on this but Bangkok is following. The financial model of go-go's is changing. It's all about the money now. This along with the increasing presence of Coyote girls in Pattaya and in Soi Cowboy and the increasing amount of money that girls can make just working in the bar (salary+tips+drink fees) makes you wonder how far we are from go-gos being like the ones in the States where tourists come to look and buy drinks and not much else.

To my friend the DOC.

You can't be serious in thinking I'm giving anything other than MY opionion.

Anyway, I'm sure among your staff certain patterns develop over who gets and doesn't get cocks too suck. Too keep it simple .isn't there nurese who do get dicks to suck and those wouldn't know what to do with one if one was offered to them.

Therein lies a rating system. The market has rated your girls. Voting with money is the best rater of all! I bet a ton that the prettier ones get most of the action. And of these the girls who are fun will probably get a lot of repeats.

So does your establishment have girls who get a higher proportion of the action of dicks to service or is business spread around evenly?

Silly ex but here goes. Take 2 rock stars. Richie Sambora of Bon Jovi and Ted Nugent. Who is better looking? In this extreme ex I bt 10 out of 10 would choose Sambora.

PS I love Nugent not for his music but his beliefs in America. It s just that he doesn't have a good face.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1434745]In some go-go bars the girls still have that option but I have heard many stories from guys about the girls telling them that they are expected back and a couple of times about mamasans calling the girl and asking her where she is. I think that Pattaya is actually leading the way on this but Bangkok is following. The financial model of go-go's is changing. It's all about the money now. This along with the increasing presence of Coyote girls in Pattaya and in Soi Cowboy and the increasing amount of money that girls can make just working in the bar (salary+tips+drink fees) makes you wonder how far we are from go-gos being like the ones in the States where tourists come to look and buy drinks and not much else.[/QUOTE]I've said many a times past 11 the bars do start emptying out. Last night perfect example at Rainbow 4. I went in at 10 very full. Lineup ok. I guess. Closer to 11 many seats available and the usual donkeys on stage.

I really should check out Bacc again to see if my experience last week was an anomaly or a normal thing. But my affection for Rainbow runs deep. Don't care how many head turners Baccara have their ambiance just sucks!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1434724]You need to get out more, Harold. Then you would see them & could ask them yourself.

For various reasons there are very sexy ladies who don't want to work under a gogo pimp, er manager, or the many rules involved.

Moreover, some may have employment or other obligations at night that exclude the possibility of evening gogo work...[/QUOTE]One good quality about you is you stick to your guns! Not like the other fellow who hems and haws.

One reason stunners don't work agogo I think is because of this eye fucking as you say. I'd hate to be on the end of that. Who needs it if you are a stunner. Just sit in a chair and get picked or just have high governments officials get a booking.

Did you see my post about the kind of customers streetwalkers get. The bottom of the barrel customers for the bottom of the barrel type working girls. Any explanation of this.

Baby belly is a MAJOR FLAW- My favorite has a roomate hooker. I asked her why she doesn't work Rainbow together with her. She say she have baby. So where does this roommate work-good old SHARKS- I'm not making this up! Both girls know that a belly scarred girl has no chance at Rainbow 4.

What major impediment are there for a hot girl not working Rainbow- she can come and go as she please.she just won't get salary. If she is an earner she would be welcome.

To the crux of this post as you many times do you undermine youself. Your streetwalkers girls are not the kind the asians like. I couldn't agree more. Streetwalkers tend to be dark and at best avg face, who knows what major body flaws they have. Not characteristics of a top Rainbow girl.

Girls know what they are worth. Stop making excuses for girls who are just not appealing to large segments of the population.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434731]Doc you are a businessman- follow the money! Answers a lot. It may not tell you everything you need to know but its a start. Come on now. 1000 baht for hot streetwalkers?[/QUOTE]Sorry perhaps it is just me but I really cannot figure out what you are trying to say."Follow the money"? Anyway this topic began asking about the BKK scene in general and then moved on to go-go bars. I don't run a go-go bar and have no desire to change that.

Regards,

BJ

OK. I've been doing some research on Pattaya girls. I guess Babydolls is a big deal there. Farang bald headed manager named Phil so kindly post photos of his staff.

The girls look like what I expected them to look like. Dark and avg. To dark and below avg. One girl is quite ok look. Prices I see seem fair. 1000-1500 short time.

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1434650]To me, it comes down to what I prefer to do when I am *not* chasing girls.

Pattaya is a beach resort, where virtually everybody is on a holiday. (Or lucky enough to live there.) This creates a laid back ambiance that I find soothing. I can sit by the shore and contemplate life, with abundant food and beverage close at hand. I can duck into a tiny bar and have a drink at noon while watching sports on the television. I can join my mates for a meal or watch the human condition on full display on Walking Street every night. The place just lowers my blood pressure..[/QUOTE]I don't fuck 24/7 and given I'm not an alcoholic (yet) I have to have something to do to fill out my waking hours. I'm in Pattaya now but only for a week and after that will head into BKK. If its your first time then don't confine yourself to one or the other, mix it up and try both. It's only 2 hours between them on the bus so if yopu hate one then the others within reach.

I do feel bored after about a week in Patts and need get my hit of BKK. Apart from drinking and whoring there is not that much to do in Pattaya so I need to move on. I sometimes need to get out of Thailand after a while so I'm starting to hit up Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam a little more.

Thanks a lot guys.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee; 1434688]And here's the one for the soapies:

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(from former member Mick Licker) [/QUOTE]

Do any of you know Levels Club on Soi 11? [url]http://www.levelsclub.com/[/url] Is this a club for working or regular girls?

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1434650]To me, it comes down to what I prefer to do when I am *not* chasing girls.

Pattaya is a beach resort, where virtually everybody is on a holiday. (Or lucky enough to live there.) This creates a laid back ambiance that I find soothing. I can sit by the shore and contemplate life, with abundant food and beverage close at hand. I can duck into a tiny bar and have a drink at noon while watching sports on the television. I can join my mates for a meal or watch the human condition on full display on Walking Street every night. The place just lowers my blood pressure.

Bangkok is a big city that is a center commerce and government. The urban vibe is intense, but it's a great place to shop, to sightsee and to soak up some culture in a place where the punter scene is a tiny island in the overall metropolitan area.

My preferred itinerary involves landing at BKK and heading straight for Pattaya, for about 80 percent of my stay. If I arrange my flights with care, I can clear immigration in the morning and be settled in my lodging a few hours later, which gives me time for a combat nap before going out on the town that evening. I'm fighting a 12-hour time difference and this helps me minimize jet lag.

Eventually Pattaya starts to feel a little small, which is the perfect time to head back to Bangkok for the last 20 percent of my trip. The girls are different and the scene is different and that prevents boredom from setting in. I'm am also much closer to the airport than I would be in Pattaya. I'm not wild about starting a 24-hour airline trip with a long cab ride up from Pattaya.

Of course, as they say on the Interwebs, your mileage may vary. Maybe you are a foodie who is dying to sample Bangkok's amazing cuisine and not so interested in the one hundred different versions of English breakfast on offer in Pattaya. Perhaps you're a clothes horse and you need to make multiple trips to your tailor to ensure everything fits just so. Or it could be you've looking to get some world class medical treatment at rock bottom prices. In which case ignore my advice and spend most of your time in Bangkok.

Bunky[/QUOTE]Correct in so many ways.

I spent lots of time in Pattaya my first six or seven years living in Thailand (99-06). Always a BKK resident, but Pattaya was great for one weekend a month. After three nights, I was ready to get back to BKK. Now, meh! I can't really stand the place. I find it very depressing. It is like the current Sukhumvit scene spread out over an entire city.

Want to see the dregs on holiday? Head to Pattaya. The worst the EU, the US, the former USSR, India, China, and the Middle East have to offer. And it is crowded to boot. 10 years ago you could shoot a cannon down just about any soi during low season and not hit anyone. Now, packed year around. Had the misfortune of needing to attend a business meeting there about 6 weeks ago. Had not been there in over two years. I was appalled. One night, meeting, back to BKK. Not enough money in the world to get me to live there.

Of course if all you are interested in is sex, then Pattaya is still a good place I guess, but for me seeing the least common denominator of humanity really kills the fun, no matter how "great" the girls are, and truth be told I did not see many "great" girls.

If you are interested in girls, but want good food, a nice urban environment, good coffee shops, etc, spend your time in BKK. The eye candy in BKK blows Pattaya away.

[QUOTE=JayHighFive; 1434928]Do any of you know Levels Club on Soi 11?

[url]http://www.levelsclub.com/[/url]

Is this a club for working or regular girls?[/QUOTE]Yes I have been there a few times and first time last autumn I believe. Very nice crowd of people. A mixed girl crowd (freelance and regular). I guess this club runs in the same segment as Bed&Supper, Q-Bar and BASH (to mention some other clubs in Soi 11 as well). Could ofcourse also mentioned Climax in the same gasp for air but that I consider as a freelanceplace only. Others may argue.

Between 5-1000bht covercharge weekends. But I have had good times at Levels as well. 1 btl of Absolute runs around 3000BHT plus extras ofcourse.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot]If all you are interested in is sex, then Pattaya is still a good place I guess, but for me seeing the least common denominator of humanity really kills the fun, no matter how "great" the girls are, and truth be told I did not see many "great" girls. If you are interested in girls, but want good food, a nice urban environment, good coffee shops, etc, spend your time in BKK.[/QUOTE]Point taken in respect of Pattaya's seedy side. The beach is nothing special. There are lager louts in abundance, stumbling down the sidewalks clutching a giant bottle of Beer Chang, their lobster-colored flab and tribal tats on full display in a wife-beater T-shirt bearing some hackneyed aphorism or advertising. The lower rungs of the commercial sex scene are all over town and seeing those girls before breakfast is enough to put a guy off his feed. And then there are the "civilian" tourists, who arrive in their gigantic buses and toddle around Walking Street gawking at the punters like they are animals in a zoo. If you don't care for Russians or Indians or left-handed Lithuanians it's easy to cast a gimlet eye toward the riffraff and conclude the city has gone to the dogs.

But I still love the place in limited doses. With a little effort you can get off the beaten path and find a punter scene largely devoid of gawkers and civilians. On any given night there are at least a few hotties in the go go clubs on Soi LK Metro. There are diamonds in the rough in the Soi Six bars and on the Dark Side. Are the Pattaya girls up to Bangkok standards? Who can say? But when the sun sets all I need is one sweet young thing that pushes my buttons. Some nights the search is protracted, but to me looking is part of the fun. Maybe a guy who lived in Bangkok would prefer a less-involved evolution, like an after-work stop at one of the nice soapies.

When I'm not on the prowl it's just as easy to take the road less traveled. From central Pattaya you can walk east and in ten minutes find yourself in a part of town that's virtually unknown to visitors. It's far from sophisticated, but that's OK with me. I love eating at the hole-in-the-wall places and watching the locals go about their daily routine. It's not world class cuisine like you get Bangkok's upscale eateries. But it's great value for money and they don't care I'm wearing shorts or dining alone. Ditto for the hawker stalls inside the night market on Soi Buakaow. No Michelin stars for the old ladies who do the cooking, but chowing down at a communal picnic table under a bare bulb with the working girls is so different to my life in the world I find it a refreshing change of pace.

Perhaps Mr. Scot's perspective is informed by the fact that he lives in Bangkok, whereas I (very) sporadically do the Two Week Millionaire holiday. As the Bard reminds us: "If all the year were playing holidays, to sport would be as tedious as to work." If I lived full time in Thailand, I suspect Pattaya would get old fast and I too would probably gravitate toward the "nice urban environment" in Bangkok. But for the occasional holiday, I still have a soft spot for Pattaya.

Bunky

Another ringing endorsement for Pattaya girls- from Goatscrot. Not. I swear my feeling is girls who can't make it in BKK go to Pattaya to give it a whirl. I don't see any evidence to the contrary.

Hint whenever someone says GEMS can be found- it means 600 baht girls a plenty. Don't waste your time waiting for the gem.

Went to R4 and Baccara. Please disregard my proposed changes to Rainbow 4. Maybe good for Golden week when they are packed or weekends during high season. Hard to tell but looked like it was half full for the hour I was there. Talent level not too good.

Baccara faces are a cut above Rainbow 4 by a million miles. Very clean cut and pretty faces. But is it me or do they seem aloof- very few smiles. Rainbow 4 girls win on personality- hands down. They seem to be having a good time just being there.

Pink pearls hot uni girls, etc have a venue to work part time with no boss- THERMae.

Sitting in R 4 had me contemplating my future with the girl. I think this may be the best explanation I've come up with so far. One of her co-workers came up with a plan to maximize her earnings. Put the guy who is throwing money at you hand over fist in a slow period. Everybodys happy. Except me! The girl is not a game player-not once has she tried shenanigans to milk me of more money. Just normal asking for tips, etc. Very straightforward stuff.

I doubt mommasan would advise her to change m. O. With a guy as lucrative as me. Just keep doing what you've been doing babe.

That getting back to bar quickly just doesn't make sense either. One Nana hotel I've stayed at recently was a 20 minute travel time for her. 10 minute walk both ways. My Asok hotel would be 25 minutes tops.

Don't know if I can pull it off but for a while I'm going to really cut back on tipping her in the bar. Unlesss I get a major urge to feel a nipple for old times sake.

And YES it is possible she doesn't want me playing with her asshole anymore.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434763]I'm not making this up! Both girls know that a belly scarred girl has no chance at Rainbow 4.[/QUOTE]Really? Not to be disagreeable but then what is this forum for! I have no idea where you get the idea that RB4 has all lovely creatures great and small, but I have seen many many girls there over the years who have had kids and have so many rings of fat around their stomach that Tolkien would have trouble keeping count. RB4 has a lot of girls, usually three shifts on 2 different stages and some of them are quite nice, some are ok and a bunch reached their expiration date a few years back. Actually went to RB2 tonight for the first time in ages and though it had many fewer girls than its cousin, the average quality was much higher, but they tended to be small girls which may not be to be to everyone's taste and the clientele was about 99% Japanese. So the girls look accordingly.

Re: the question of Pattaya vs Bangkok; I can take 3 days in Pattaya just for the fresher air and being able to walk on Beach Road without getting run over, but by the 5th day I want to shoot myself. Which may explain the high number of suicides in Pattaya. Bangkok is a real vibrant city full of life, Pattaya is where old men go to die because there is nothing else to do.

I am visiting Koh Phangan for a week. Curious to know what all places of adult action are present in Koh Phangan except for the parties.

Spa / Massage with happy endings or FS.

Any pointers would be highly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434731]If their was ever an aggogo girl I would barfine a 100 times-she would be the one.[/QUOTE]Or bar-fine her once, get her number and save yourself 1000baht (at least) on the 99 subsequent meetings.

This would save you 99, 000 baht which by my calculations would get you ten of your 10/10 girls!

I notice there are a lot of girls on Facebook from Bangkok that say they are models. Anyone came across this? Is this their way to be a working girl without coming out and saying it?

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1434996]Re: the question of Pattaya vs Bangkok; I can take 3 days in Pattaya just for the fresher air and being able to walk on Beach Road without getting run over, but by the 5th day I want to shoot myself.[/QUOTE]Agreed that variety is the spice of life. They are different scenes with different vibes. When I am in Thailand I like to spend time in both places. The transfer can be a bit of a PITA but it does not take too long.

Pattaya during the week (Sun-Wed) and Bangkok on weekends (Thu-Sat) are my preferences. Normally I try to spend the first few days of the trip in Bangkok, go down to Pattaya for a time, and then back to Bangkok until departure. That said; my next trip in November is 14 nights so I will probably just head directly to Pattaya for a week, and then spend 7 nights in Bangkok.

SunLover

I've been there on A Friday and wasn't charged a cover. Maybe I was there too early around midnight. Stayed inside for a while then hung out outside. The terrace had a much cooler breeze. At around 3 am they opened the back area. Lots if neon lights looked more like a rave. I saw very attractive girls but I was already in hand with a 9. I would go back. Whiskey drinks were 250 bhat.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1434970]Yes I have been there a few times and first time last autumn I believe. Very nice crowd of people. A mixed girl crowd (freelance and regular). I guess this club runs in the same segment as Bed&Supper, Q-Bar and BASH (to mention some other clubs in Soi 11 as well). Could ofcourse also mentioned Climax in the same gasp for air but that I consider as a freelanceplace only. Others may argue.

Between 5-1000bht covercharge weekends. But I have had good times at Levels as well. 1 btl of Absolute runs around 3000BHT plus extras ofcourse.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434763]One reason stunners don't work agogo I think is because of this eye fucking as you say. I'd hate to be on the end of that. Who needs it if you are a stunner. Just sit in a chair and get picked or just have high governments officials get a booking.[/QUOTE]For the same reason a shy hot girl may prefer discreetly working the street over sitting in a MP fishbowl in her underwear.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434763]Did you see my post about the kind of customers streetwalkers get. The bottom of the barrel customers for the bottom of the barrel type working girls. Any explanation of this.[/QUOTE]They get customers from dozens of nations around the world, you name it. Even a millionaire may prefer the street scene over a gogo & to pay three times less for the same quality of girl. I doubt he became so rich by flushing dollars down the toilet. Maybe he also finds that hot street girls have less restrictions, better attitudes & more willingness to do LT.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1434763]To the crux of this post as you many times do you undermine youself. Your streetwalkers girls are not the kind the asians like. I couldn't agree more. Streetwalkers tend to be dark and at best avg face, who knows what major body flaws they have. Not characteristics of a top Rainbow girl.[/QUOTE]I can't recall seeing any white skinned girls at the Rainbow bars, even off white let alone white as in the sex 141 Hong Kong site. Incidentally, in case you didn't know it, many farangs prefer the tanned TG skin that the vast majority of TGs have, working girls or not, whether in gogos or on the street. They have & can get white in abundance & easily in their home countries in Europe & North America, etc. Or watching Thai hi-so television commercials. There are not many white skinned TGs available to farangs, though you can find a few FSR P4Ps or Japanese tourists.

I'm not interested in ugly to average street or gogo girls. There are plenty of hot ones out there. In fact I'm surprised that they are so easy to pick up, as has been the case since 07. Are guys intimidated by them? Many times I'm out there with no male competition whatsoever & have my choice of 2 dozen ladies! So 24 ladies to each guy, eh? Easy to approach, talk to, & they often warmly greet you, unlike my experiences in R2 & R4.

In R4 I've seen only one girl with a very beautiful face, which was a 9. 5, could have been a 10, but not white. Seen from a distance, since in the gogos you'ld need binoculars to get a close up like you can just walking up to a street girl, & easily viewing her from behind too, if you like. She was quite skinny with no boobs, body about a 7 perhaps, couldn't see her ass. So overall maybe an 8, in my books. Though, in a certain mood, I might take her just for the face, & what it could do for me, as in BBBJ, BLS, DFK, etc, even if her body was a 4. If I'm in a mood for a leg fetish, I might take a girl whose face is a 5 & legs are a 9. There's a good chance she'll make up in attitude & service what she lacks in appearance, whereas a stunner 9. 5 girl is probably going to disappoint you in everything but her looks. Some girls' face may be a 6 looking at you, but while giving the most amazing BBBJ with their eyes closed they are a 9, or an 8 from the side view.

To some guys baby belly is a major flaw, so they prefer the gogos. To me it is the last body area I'm interested in & would count it as way less than half a point in grading a girl. I wouldn't pay 3 times as much to avoid it. Therefore the street offers many bargains. Slim cute SYTs with DDs & a baby belly for 1000 baht ST. BTW, for big boobs lovers, I've been coming across quite a few natural DD TGs out there lately.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1434763]Girls know what they are worth. Stop making excuses for girls who are just not appealing to large segments of the population.[/QUOTE]In case you haven't realized it yet, Harold, the subject isn't the hags of the street or the uglies of the gogos. It's not even the average lookers, which is how you rated Sir Lancelot's girls. BTW I think you lost a lot of credibility with that 5. 5 rating, if there was any left to lose.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1434996]Really? Not to be disagreeable but then what is this forum for! I have no idea where you get the idea that RB4 has all lovely creatures great and small, but I have seen many many girls there over the years who have had kids and have so many rings of fat around their stomach that Tolkien would have trouble keeping count. RB4 has a lot of girls, usually three shifts on 2 different stages and some of them are quite nice, some are ok and a bunch reached their expiration date a few years back. Actually went to RB2 tonight for the first time in ages and though it had many fewer girls than its cousin, the average quality was much higher, but they tended to be small girls which may not be to be to everyone's taste and the clientele was about 99% Japanese. So the girls look accordingly.[/QUOTE]Be disagreeable all you want. Doesn't bother me. I like what you write. But I think you misunderstood me.

I've seen all the types of girls you've seen at Rainbow 4 over the years. Too. But have you seen the cabooses get barfined on a regular basis?

I haven't! When I say a girl has no chance working R4 I mean she won't make much money.

This I don't know for fact- but I think the reason for the huge tuurnover is most girls just find the competition too tough!

At the moment face quality rating for Rainbow 4 as a group-BAD!

Last night there were 3 groups of girls. Hardly a full staff. You could drive a MACK truck between girls the spacing was so big.

Easy to spot the mutts and cabooses just hang around past 10:30 you will see the same ones on stage night after night.

I don't think Rainbow 4 has all lovely creatures. I've said before a few hot ones, many Sir lancelot types and the cabooses.

RAinbow 2 I see pretty much same as you. Face wise Rainbow 2 girls rate very favorably with Rainbow 4. Argument can be made even better as you say. One thing I noticed on this trip is at times R 2 is quite full. I wonder if it is because the ippuns are fleeing Rainbow 4. I said on my last trip faarangs are becoming an ever increasing group in RAInbow 4.

Barfined a R2 girl my last trip. I asked why she charge 2000 while Girl at Rainow 4 charge 2500. The other day she told me to barfine her at 2500. Most girls happy with 2000 at R2.

Speculating even more could it be the talent level at R4 is going south because of the increased number of farangs. Farangs just don't go for the same type of girls as asians. They like them darker and bad face is ok. Whats a decent face ippun type girl to do? Go elsewhere to work?

Looking at the R4 girls who go topless I'd say 90% are the types favored by farang. Highly unattractive-so much so even the farang pass on a lot of them.

One thing I've learned is one bar cannot cater to all customers. You have to find your niche. Either you go predominately ippun or other. RAIN 2, 4 1 ippun bars. Rainbow 4 is questinable at the moment. Examples of other are every other bar in BKK. Specific ex. Angelwith, long gun or rawhide, tilac, the list goes on and on and on and on!

Ippuns joiunts.light skin pretty girls. Other joiunts- dark skin- fac quality don't matter!

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1434970]Yes I have been there a few times and first time last autumn I believe. Very nice crowd of people. A mixed girl crowd (freelance and regular). I guess this club runs in the same segment as Bed&Supper, Q-Bar and BASH (to mention some other clubs in Soi 11 as well). Could ofcourse also mentioned Climax in the same gasp for air but that I consider as a freelanceplace only. Others may argue.

Between 5-1000bht covercharge weekends. But I have had good times at Levels as well. 1 btl of Absolute runs around 3000BHT plus extras ofcourse.[/QUOTE]I heard Bed Supperclub closed down. Not sure if this is true, I'm not in BKK ATM. When its all said and done, the Soi 11 along with Insanity its six half dozen or the other when it comes to talent. IMO

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1435103]I can't recall seeing any white skinned girls at the Rainbow bars, even off white let alone white as in the sex 141 Hong Kong site. Incidentally, in case you didn't know it, many farangs prefer the tanned TG skin that the vast majority of TGs have, working girls or not, whether in gogos or on the street. They have & can get white in abundance & easily in their home countries in Europe & North America, etc. Or watching Thai hi-so television commercials. There are not many white skinned TGs available to farangs, though you can find a few FSR P4Ps or Japanese tourists...[/QUOTE]I'll never get you to see that you are wrong on so many levels. I would like to ask the other DR- ronin that is to go over you points with commentary.

Farangs are ruining R4 with their love for dark meat! Just an opinion- no need to get your panties all tied up in knots guys. I might be wrong but its a trend I've been seeing.

If you want to see agogo girls up close. Go sit on the stage seats. They don't charge extra. Seats always available.

Why am I the only one to rate Sirs girls. I think its beacause you all agree with my rating. An opinion I'd like is DRronins rating. I see many of the things he sees to a T.

Even easier- just say Sirs girls are hot stuff, average (my rating) or cabooses! Its all in fun!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1435109]When its all said and done, the Soi 11 along with Insanity its six half dozen or the other when it comes to talent. IMO[/QUOTE]I think this is a good example of gibberish. What? Or as Thai girls say wot?

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1435109]I heard Bed Supperclub closed down. Not sure if this is true, I'm not in BKK ATM. When its all said and done, the Soi 11 along with Insanity its six half dozen or the other when it comes to talent. IMO[/QUOTE]Bed will close on 31st August 2013. The land the building rests on is leased by the club owners (they built the building). They were unable to renew the land lease. Much high-rise development is in the works for that vicinity. Property owners are trying to get maximum value out of the dirt they own. Bed's owners are looking for another location. They say they're looking for something suitable for a high-end establishment. They feel the more Plebeian establishments on Soi 11 diminish their club. At least that is what they say.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1435103]BTW, for big boobs lovers, I've been coming across quite a few natural DD TGs out there lately.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by TGs? Not transgendered right?

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I am a natural big boob lover and know of a pair in a massage shop on S4 that will let you do the works for 600B but I'm more interested in freelancers. Would you care to share in more detail where you have spotted these hooters?

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1435129]What do you mean by TGs? Not transgendered right?

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I am a natural big boob lover and know of a pair in a massage shop on S4 that will let you do the works for 600B but I'm more interested in freelancers. Would you care to share in more detail where you have spotted these hooters?[/QUOTE]TG = Thai Girl

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1435113]Why am I the only one to rate Sirs girls. I think its beacause you all agree with my rating. An opinion I'd like is DRronins rating. I see many of the things he sees to a T.

Even easier- just say Sirs girls are hot stuff, average (my rating) or cabooses! Its all in fun![/QUOTE]The faces were blurred out so I can't really rate his girls. The face to me is the most important factor. They may not always have to be lovely but there has to be something about them whether it is a pair of almond caramel eyes with a faraway look or a mouth that says kiss me or an insouciant playful smile that intrigues me. From what I could see they all looked to be in the 6 neighborhood but a great face could move them up a point or two and a bad face could move down a point or two.

As to your comment in another post regarding the less attractive girls in the go-go bars and their prospects of being bar fined. It is a mystery to me in all honesty. I have always heard that most go-go and beer bars have monthly quotas that the girls have to hit for bar fines and drinks and if they don't reach these quotas they will be fined and eventually fired. And it is not a low number. Yet I continue to see so many of these girls in the go-gos that I have to assume that they are at least getting close to reaching the quotas, but I never see them being bar fined and I rarely see any one buying them drinks. But it must be happening. I knew this guy back in the days when I went to the Dominican Republic and he had a philosophy of finding a girl and I have heard other guys echo this over the years, but he told me that he would go into a disco and look for the ugliest girl in the room and take her back because he knew she would give great service. And believe me I saw him with some toothless hags that made him very happy. Maybe there are lots of guys who feel the same way in Bangkok. Otherwise I just don't get it.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1435165]The faces were blurred out so I can't really rate his girls. The face to me is the most important factor. They may not always have to be lovely but there has to be something about them whether it is a pair of almond caramel eyes with a faraway look or a mouth that says kiss me or an insouciant playful smile that intrigues me. From what I could see they all looked to be in the 6 neighborhood but a great face could move them up a point or two and a bad face could move down a point or two...[/QUOTE]OMG! Are you Harold444 incognito by any chance. LOL.

The magic number is 9 barfines in Rainbows to get full salary. I'm assuming if you hit 9 youll also hit the other marks. The puzzling thing is to get full salary you have to be there a lot. A few days off for period (mens) , thats about it (could be 3 or 4 days off are allowed).

The number 9 tells me it is hard for the majority to get barfined consistently. Just because you see a lot of hustle and bustle in a bar like Rainbow 4 it doesn't mean many are naking good baht, upon closer look its the same group of girls getting barfined. I'm sure this principle applies to all venues. Whether they have 3 hookers or 500 hookers.

My contention is a few girls make very good money. Many do ok. And a ton just don't!

Pink pearl its your turn to give a rating. Ill even go up half a point as girls in person usually look better than photo. We have 2 six ratings. Anyone want to sully their reputation and rate them as hot?

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1435117]I think this is a good example of gibberish. What? Or as Thai girls say wot?[/QUOTE]I meant the nightclubs along lower Sukhumvit pretty much got the same same talent level - excluding Nana Liquid LOL

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1434763]To the crux of this post as you many times do you undermine youself. Your streetwalkers girls are not the kind the asians like. I couldn't agree more.

Girls know what they are worth. Stop making excuses for girls who are just not appealing to large segments of the population.[/QUOTE]Streetwalkers don't have much in mind which customer range they can achieve. It is a fact the MO of many Asians is not much directed to street action. The majority of these is Japanese and Korean, they go to gogo's, not even much to bars. The local Thais are addressing their hunts to totally different action. What is left? Westerner, Indian, and middle eastern. Westerner are happy to get a "sun tanned" girl, maybe syorised they do not see tan lines when she undresses, the middle eastern, aka Arabs, have other interest and targets, the Indians, with no offence, they go for the cheap and do not bother much on the rest.

So the skin tone is irrelevant, and does not determine the success of the girl in the street.

So what you find in the streets is exactly what the majority of the (street girl) customers are looking for. A win-win situation.

Hi Guys,

Just wanted a quick update on a good soapy with alarge number of women with big boobs if possible.

Last year headed to Annies but exp was horrible.

I tried cupidy back in 2008 which was quite good but don't rem much as it was a while back.

I am totally into voluptous women. My best Exp last year was picking up a girl from Cm2.

Any updates if Cm2 is still good. I have heard about Mixx and Spassos, do you guys recommend that and have done a fair amount of reearch this time.

Also what about Nataree, heard thorough some people with good services ut do thy have women with huge tits there?

Young or old doesn't not matter as long as their bodies are fuckable and meaty.

Between Sapsso's Cm2 and Mixx whch one would you guys pick. Only there for 2 days so need to be quick and visit fewer places.

If yu guys Cam Pm me would be great also with some nos etc.

Annies.

Went there last year ad chose no 22. This year she is not there on the website and no 22 has been taken by someone else. She had the biggest tits of the lot so chose her. It was 11 Am so selection was few. Had a long flight and and needed a fuck desperately.

She took me to the room. Very average and Annies is not very clean. They def need an upgrade there.

We undressed and went into the tub. I started feelng her body and fingering her. She started stroking my dick but seemed very mechnical.

The room was quite cold. We went on to the mat where she put the soap lather all over and stared rubbing me down. That was good but the girl could not speak any English only Thai.

Fondled her was tired and wanted to get over with it.

We went on to the bed. I got hold of her face and face fucked her. Its a fantasy I always had.

Was quite horny by then. Stared with doggy, missionary and finally came on her face and body.

She seemed a little annoyed as I guess it was morning and she had a lot of make up on.

Anyways the fuck was ok but attitude of the girl bad and room filthy.

I don't mind spending some extra bucks and hence decided will not visit Annies ever gain.

CM 2.

Went to CM2 the same night. This was my first time there.

Luckly was a Monday, ladies night and not so many guys. Was filled with some Thai Free lancers, Russians very few office girls.

Started flirting with this thai office girl, but she didn't have large enough tits hence was kind of put off. She gave me her no to bang her the next day. The same old story as how she needed company, broke up with her Bf needed some extra money. So stored it as a last resort thing.

Was drinking and about 10-45 a very voluptions Russian walked in. We started talking for about an hour after which she settled for 6000 Baht. Was on the higher side but her tits were amazing!

Height 5-10, fair, Huge boobs and nice curvy figure.

Opened a bottle of champagne in the room. She spoke very well and told me about her self work etc.

After a while we went to bed. Started kissing her from head to toe. She had the softest hands and feet and just cold not resist sucking them.

Lifted her sexy legs, caught her love handles as she was kind of plump, (the way I like it) caught them and started fucking her. She screamed and her moaning just turned me on even more.

I have been with a lot but his was def not fake and she semed to enjoy every minute of it.

After that doggy fuked her hard and she loved it even more.

Was running out of stamina as I had 2 days of flying and work before that. Finally came on her face and made her lick every drop of cum.

Gave her a nice tip for licking my jizz as well!

Normally I don't take numbers as like a different woman every time. It's the hunt that thrills me the most, but only if you get a good exp LOL.

This was last year and hope have a similar exp this year too. Last year did not go through any refs et just asked some cab drivers.

If you guys can help me narrow my search esp with rgards to women with big titsatsopies would be great.

Not fucked a good Thai yet. Also is it possible to pick up single Thai women from malls etc.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1435171]I meant the nightclubs along lower Sukhumvit pretty much got the same same talent level - excluding Nana Liquid LOL[/QUOTE]Are you saying the talent level at Nana L is a cut above the rest?

Head turners and stunneres galore?

I just can't help myself. LOL. All the money I lose playing poker I should spend here. Much more fum. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1435218]Streetwalkers don't have much in mind which customer range they can achieve. It is a fact the MO of many Asians is not much directed to street action. The majority of these is Japanese and Korean, they go to gogo's, not even much to bars. The local Thais are addressing their hunts to totally different action. What is left? Westerner, Indian, and middle eastern. Westerner are happy to get a "sun tanned" girl, maybe syorised they do not see tan lines when she undresses, the middle eastern, aka Arabs, have other interest and targets, the Indians, with no offence, they go for the cheap and do not bother much on the rest.

So the skin tone is irrelevant, and does not determine the success of the girl in the street.

So what you find in the streets is exactly what the majority of the (street girl) customers are looking for. A win-win situation.[/QUOTE]Please direct your comments to Pink Pearl-not me. I know exactly what is going down and dirty on the street. I got no problem with street girls.

I do have problem with guys who say they are hott-thats all. Theres a freaking good explanation why a hot street girl cost one third the average agogo girl.

Maybe The Dr can help me out here. BJ that is.

Maybe a write-up on Hello girls. So many of them. Are they hi-so types who just want a few extra baht here and there? They surely can't be making decent money just saying "Hello sir, welcome". Some Baccara hello girls are quite pretty.

Thaniya Karaoke bars. I just don't see a huge volume of guys frequenting these places. So many girls just sitting and hoping the gays and lesbians touts are able to shout guys their way. LOL. Every now and then I do a double take to ogle a girl. Some very good lookers here.

Meeting quotas at an agogo bar. I wonder if its possible the cabooses get their action near closing? This could be why some girls are willing to do the shuffle for hours on in with litte interest. Maybe the drunkards and cheapos barfine them near closing.

2 guys eating dinner at Suk Foodland. One Indian, the other Malay. Chit chat for a few minutes, hotel, etc. The topic of course turn to all of our favorite topic: prostitutes! Both don't go with hookers. The indian just talks to them. The other guy doesn't either from what I could tell. Then out of the blue the malay asks the indian do you go with boys. Indian then went on a few minute dissertation of the hazards of thai gay sex (I agree with all his points by the way). Seems the Malay fellow needed the low down on the hot boys of Thailand. The hows, what, whys, where, all the things we want to know- just with girls. LOL.

That might have been the hi-light of my night. Its 9pm. Don't know if the agogos can top that!

Ps- their friendly chit chat went dead after that topic.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1435168]Pink pearl its your turn to give a rating. Ill even go up half a point as girls in person usually look better than photo. We have 2 six ratings. Anyone want to sully their reputation and rate them as hot?[/QUOTE]Sir Lancelot recently posted a set of 10 pics in one post & 2 others after that.

On the set of 10 there were 4 members in the photo thread that said they were attractive. So let's say 4 guys graded them as 7's on average.

I'll grade only the last two pictures, faces only, one blurred, one clear. One an 8 the other a 7, so average 7.5.

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1435129]What do you mean by TGs? Not transgendered right?

[url]http://pinkdiamondcompanions.com/Pink_Diamond_Companions/Guide/Entries/2011/9/8_Escort_Terminology.html[/url]

I am a natural big boob lover and know of a pair in a massage shop on S4 that will let you do the works for 600B but I'm more interested in freelancers. Would you care to share in more detail where you have spotted these hooters?[/QUOTE]TG in the abbreviations thread is transgender, but TG as I meant it is commonly used in the Thailand section of ISG for Thai girl.

I picked up 6 girls from the Nana Hotel parking lot (NPL) area this weekend. Four had natural DDs. A fifth & very pretty one had nice C cups.

The first DD girl I found about 10 pm in front of the Nana Hotel sign just outside the car park. She was 20 years old & deaf.

The second DD girl I saw at night sitting near the entrance to the hotel. It was her face that attracted me at the first.

The third DD girl was standing on the sidewalk mid afternoon beside the NPL bending over to give me a nice view of her hooters, which were mostly uncovered, without realizing I was there till I said hello. She was cute & wore specs.

Girl #'s 2 & 3 told me they are 28 years old.

The fourth DD girl was standing by a car facing opposite the hotel restaurant windows, midway between the hotel entrance & the sidewalk. The time was around 7 pm.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1435268]I do have problem with guys who say they are hott-thats all. Theres a freaking good explanation why a hot street girl cost one third the avegerage agogo girl.[/QUOTE]To sum up the "explanation" in two words, I'd say "brand name" or "dumb Asians" or "baby belly" concerns.

I haven't seen anyone say street girls are hot or gogo girls are hot. Some are, some are not.

[QUOTE=Corleone123;1435243]Also what about Nataree, heard thorough some people with good services ut do thy have women with huge tits there?[/QUOTE]Firstly, great report. It's a shame it will be buried within hours because the class clown decides to post five completely irrelevant posts. Nataree is not the place to go for great sex. They have a very young line-up and in lots of cases they are very inexperienced. It's the place to go for young, pretty girls but of course you might find one who is a nympho. I went twice on my recent trip and went with two young girls. One was a starfish, the other a tiger in the bedroom who provided some really memorable sex. I'm surprised at your negative experience at Annie's as it is usually a sure-fire bet for great service. You get two hours, two pops minimum and you'll read lots of good advice about which girls are good on the Annie's thread on this site.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1434982]Another ringing endorsement for Pattaya girls- from Goatscrot. Not. I swear my feeling is girls who can't make it in BKK go to Pattaya to give it a whirl. I don't see any evidence to the contrary.[/QUOTE]Of course you don't, you've never been. You were told by a Bangkok bargirl that Pattaya's girls are ugly (and why would she possibly lie to you?) , you've visited a few websites and now in your mind you are the resident expert!

Incidentally, I have got to ask, why the unhealthy obsession about me? You mention me in almost every one of your posts.

What do you possibly hope to gain by trying to get people to rate the girls I went with? Their faces are blurred! I genuinely don't care if people don't find them attractive, I did and surely that's all that matters (although I should point out that I had to empty my inbox I had so many people complimenting me on my diary and the girls). If you don't, good for you. I find it comforting we go for different girls as from what you've posted, girls seem to be scarred by the experience of meeting you.

Let's cut to the chase. You don't like me because we had a difference of opinion on freelancers of all things. I said I'd seen a pretty one in Nana Parking Lot and you in your infinite wisdom said it was impossible, despite the fact you freely admit you don't look (by the way, I marked her 7/10 in my diary, not 10/10 as you keep posting to anyone who hasn't ignored you yet). When you decided to get personal, I highlighted just how much nonsense you talk, for example I copied and pasted a comment of yours in which you said "Pattaya girls are ugly. I've never been though". That comment alone tells everyone all they need to know about you.

The truth is, your Harold444 account (now deleted) revealed a lot about you for people who can read between the lines. You said that you can't get good lookers at Rainbow 4 for less than 2500ST (despite the fact that you later admitted you only go for 'average looks'). You posted that girls you bar-fine often leave within the hour and that a girl DICTATED to you when she can be bar-fined (!). You also posted that girls never give you their number. You don't like me because not only did our opinions vary on a few different matters, I get the same girls as you (or prettier) for cheaper and for longer and they volunteer their phone number to me for repeat business. Any experienced monger can read your reports and summise that the girls dislike you. They over-charge you, leave early and never give you their number. Not my words, yours. You are simply jealous and it riles you that whereas people complimented me on my recent 52,000 word diary and photos, they just STFU you and ignore you.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1435342]Ps- their friendly chit chat went dead after that topic.[/QUOTE]Maybe each one was expecting the other to do some proposition.

No one here is afraid of the Dengue fever?

I read everywere that there is an outbreak right now in Bangkok and its not a nice thing to catch.

Your experience about it?

Are there lots of mosquitos in the bars at Nana and Cowboy?

Mosquitos in the short time hotels or so?

I am going to Bangkok in 1 week now and are a bit afraid of that shit.

Sir L gives a very inaccurate description of the SCENE and he is easily excitable. I like that.

He doesn't see that others politely say what I say about some of his claims. I Never been to Nana L.seems to be a full of Pattay types go to hook there.

Nothing to be gained by rating your girls. Some of us just wondering where you see all these 9 and 10s you see quite frequently.

You see a pretty freelancer so I auto hate you. Who cares? Most of us don't live for the exception.

Where you look the most foolish is your claims on long short times. Anyone one with a pea of a brain and has tried barfining pretty agogo girls know they are not interested in long short times.

Please read other opinions. They do pop up. Some guys are satisfied with their choices, but thats not the norm.

Again I don't barfine at agogos. The majority says its just a waste of time and money. If you are finding gems all over the place maybe we need to take lessons from you.

Although when I do barfine I'm usually satisfied-but thats bevause I get to know the ones I choose over a long period of time.

Rainbow 4 last night was equivalent to a Pattaya agogo. Unbelievable horrible talent! A few ok, the rest will be making their way to pattay soon.

A week and a half is enough to conclude Rainb 2 is again competitive with Rainb 4. I remember this past high season I kept thinking where's all the R2 customers. Now I'm thinking where's all the R4 customers.

Pound 4 pound the undisputed champion of pretty girls prancing around on stage is Rainbow 1.

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I get my lazy butt to Nana at midnight to see if I can confirm these big natural titty spottings PinkPearl speaks of.

First, I see my pretty face white skinned Chiang Mai honey sitting at Rajah like she always does. Very tempting for a cheap repeat but last resort with 1000 other girls around. Guys don't get sad if you can not get the 500 like me. 1000 or 700 is still good value for her.

Walking by Zen bar across from the Nana hotel parking lot I meet a employee who I seem to have good chemistry with and has a fabulous rear. Sit on the bar stool outside groping her ass and chatting from midnight to 2am while simultaneously eyeballing the freelancers across the street and did not see any big natural titties during those 2 hours. She must have mentioned 2000 baht. 500 baht bar fine about 10 times in that period, probably referring to short time, but I ain't no rookie now and we eventually agree to meet at Insomnia at 2:30 before close.

Soon as I leave I bump into that Rainbow 4 girl named Ice I spoke of on the street outside. She is on my nuts this time and looking hotter but I don't put up much of a fight when her hot friend takes her away. I will drill this girl one of these nights and can't wait. Not a classic beauty, basically a Tila Tequila. If any less then stunning, skinny, Thai chicks want to transform themselves into Tila Tequila I've got baht for them all day every day.

Ok so I head over to Insanity and sit between two wild girls and chat for 20 minutes. One has a little wayne teardrop tat under her eye I think and the tall one with huge fake tits is showing me naked pics of herself on her phone. My Zen girl not shy and spots me from behind and hugs me from behind between these 2 girls. She earned it and I go away with her and her friend to dance. Her friend is very hot, drunk, and horny looking, getting no attention and wants to leave after 30 minutes. We all get a taxi, drop her off, and take round ass to my place. To all the guys standing around Insanity not talking to a girl, what a waste of a good vagina this was. She was ready to go.

Get to my place and come to find out she is a starfish. Well at least usually she is because she went from starfish to porn star and was a total salvage after I hit it raw from behind. Sleeping as we speak and money was never discussed. Let's hope she doesn't get too crazy when I offer her 1000.

Side note, contact my Vietnamese / Cambodian chick after 2 weeks and she just gets back to me. To my delight she is very receptive and not all about the money. Seems like she is going to be the only hot girl on my team at the moment. Mainly because I've been lazy. She goes to Cambodia for a month in July where I may visit her.

Sketchy pics of booty I had a hell of a lot of fun with attached.

A good night but regarding Dengue fever I have been feeling very sick ever since stinky pussy, druggie streetwalker a few nights ago. 2 pharmacists hooked me up with 4 sets of pills which seem to be helping a lot though. You are right to be very conscious of germs and your health down here. Cheers.

I'm afraid of Dengue fever. But what you going to do about it? I wonder if it will affect peoples decision on whether to cum here?

Agogos girls begging you to take their phone number after the first meeting.

2 logical explanations.

1. Customer is very charismatic. LOL. Not saying it doesn't happen. Don't know- I'm not there!

2. Girls are desperate for money. I just don't see the top earners begging guys to do them away from bar, for reduced prices to top it all off.

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1435521]No one here is afraid of the Dengue fever?

I read everywere that there is an outbreak right now in Bangkok and its not a nice thing to catch.

Your experience about it?

Are there lots of mosquitos in the bars at Nana and Cowboy?

Mosquitos in the short time hotels or so?

I am going to Bangkok in 1 week now and are a bit afraid of that shit.[/QUOTE]Bring deet and wear long pants and long sleeves if you can. Dengue is always a risk but as long as you cover up when you can ad use lots of deet then you'll be fine. Have fun, I got 2 months before I leave.

Now 12:55, put a 1000 in her butt jean pocket when she got dressed. Folded in 3 so it seemed like more LOL. She didn't check. Kissed me and left.

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1435521]No one here is afraid of the Dengue fever?

I read everywere that there is an outbreak right now in Bangkok and its not a nice thing to catch.

Your experience about it?

Are there lots of mosquitos in the bars at Nana and Cowboy?

Mosquitos in the short time hotels or so?

I am going to Bangkok in 1 week now and are a bit afraid of that shit.[/QUOTE]I have been to Thailand in all seasons (wet and dry seasons) and in many different places and I must say I am always very surprised about the low number of mosquitoes. Initially I used a repellent on my arms and legs, but stopped doing it as it seemed really silly. Perhaps it is different when you go into the jungle (and I do not mean the jungle of Nana or Soi Cowboy).

Laos and Cambodia are quite different: there I always wear long trousers and long sleeved shirts in the evening or I get eaten alive.

Perhaps Thailand and BKK in particular is so polluted that no mosquito can survive. :)

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1435521]No one here is afraid of the Dengue fever?

I read everywere that there is an outbreak right now in Bangkok and its not a nice thing to catch.

Your experience about it?

Are there lots of mosquitos in the bars at Nana and Cowboy?

Mosquitos in the short time hotels or so?

I am going to Bangkok in 1 week now and are a bit afraid of that shit.[/QUOTE]Dengue is a danger, although I'm not sure how likely it is in BKK. As Mr. W pointed out, the mosquitos in BKK are rather few and far between. I do think it's the pollution and smog.

However, it is a risk outside of BKK. One of my GF's staff members came down with it right after Songkran. He contracted it upcountry when visiting family, and was hospitalized in BKK.

So, if you'll be staying in BKK, don't worry. If you're going to remote parts, long sleeves, long pants and Off are recommended.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1435653]I have been to Thailand in all seasons (wet and dry seasons) and in many different places and I must say I am always very surprised about the low number of mosquitoes. Initially I used a repellent on my arms and legs, but stopped doing it as it seemed really silly. Perhaps it is different when you go into the jungle (and I do not mean the jungle of Nana or Soi Cowboy).

Laos and Cambodia are quite different: there I always wear long trousers and long sleeved shirts in the evening or I get eaten alive.

Perhaps Thailand and BKK in particular is so polluted that no mosquito can survive. .[/QUOTE]I agree! And no mosquito will survive the sound level of the go-go bars.

I tend not to see many flies either. Especially when one sees how much food is in the open air.

Mosquito volume is not much different than any "western" area.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1435659]Dengue is a danger, although I'm not sure how likely it is in BKK. As Mr. W pointed out, the mosquitos in BKK are rather few and far between. I do think it's the pollution and smog.

However, it is a risk outside of BKK. One of my GF's staff members came down with it right after Songkran. He contracted it upcountry when visiting family, and was hospitalized in BKK.

So, if you'll be staying in BKK, don't worry. If you're going to remote parts, long sleeves, long pants and Off are recommended.[/QUOTE]Yes, if you are in BKK worry. Dengue is an urban disease as well. It occurs in clusters. Over my 13 years here I have had many friends contract it in BKK.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1435521]No one here is afraid of the Dengue fever?[/QUOTE]After 3 days in BKK I have 3 big red spots on my ankles so mosquitoes are out there here in Sukhumvit. I have been wearing shorts and have repellent spray with me but have forgot to use it. Maybe should start using it at night. Dengue still should be rare and I think dengue mosquitoes are active only during day time and at that time there might not be so many of those flying things around.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1435706]After 3 days in BKK I have 3 big red spots on my ankles so mosquitoes are out there here in Sukhumvit. I have been wearing shorts and have repellent spray with me but have forgot to use it. Maybe should start using it at night. Dengue still should be rare and I think dengue mosquitoes are active only during day time and at that time there might not be so many of those flying things around.[/QUOTE]It is also up to the individual sometime, if their blood is juicy for the mosquito.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1435706]After 3 days in BKK I have 3 big red spots on my ankles so mosquitoes are out there here in Sukhumvit.[/QUOTE]I get that too when they bite me here in BKK, whether it's on the face, arm, leg, etc. Quite itchy for days & stays red for up to weeks.

Though haven't see any mosquitos here since arriving in early May, but I don't get out much, especially at night.

I saw mosquitos everywhere, in small numbers, usually just one, from early Dec to late March.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1435706]After 3 days in BKK I have 3 big red spots on my ankles so mosquitoes are out there here in Sukhumvit. I have been wearing shorts and have repellent spray with me but have forgot to use it. Maybe should start using it at night. Dengue still should be rare and I think dengue mosquitoes are active only during day time and at that time there might not be so many of those flying things around.[/QUOTE]I came back home two weeks ago after spending 2 weeks in BKK. All the time I wore long pants and socks, not only because of mosquitos, more for looking city dressed. No mosquito bites at all and I didn't use any repellant spray either. So, dress correctly and save yourself from Dengue!

[quote=wolvenvacht;1435653]i have been to thailand in all seasons (wet and dry seasons) and in many different places and i must say i am always very surprised about the low number of mosquitoes. initially i used a repellent on my arms and legs, but stopped doing it as it seemed really silly.[/quote]i will never forget some years ago when i arrived in koh samed in a speedboat around 6 pm. severe attack of hundreds of mosquitos big as (small) birds. had to run to the hotel reception in panic. horrible! but that was no tiger mosquitos, they are much smaller and you will hardly notice them.

[QUOTE=Puttex;1435521]Are there lots of mosquitos in the bars at Nana and Cowboy?[/QUOTE]I can't remember seeing any at all (and normally I'm the staple diet of mozzies!). There tend not to be lots of mosquitos in the big cities and those there are aren't likely to carry disease. If you go to Chiang Mai or Chiang Rai in the north or the island of Koh Chang, wear lots of insect repellent with Deet. Likewise anywhere with jungle. If there is a Dengue outbreak, now might not be the time for a trek to see the hill-tribes for example. But Bangkok should be okay. All of the gogo bars are air-conditioned anyway so you definitely won't see any inside.

[quote=dextro sol;1435819]when i arrived in koh samed in a speedboat around 6 pm. severe attack of hundreds of mosquitos big as (small) birds. .[/quote]you can't blame them. 6pm is about dinner time. they check the speedboat schedule, gather around the pier, have dinner and then go to sleep. good that mosquito have not learnt yet the bar life!

[quote=catbird;1434491]i'm not certain when [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s opens. definitely by 11, maybe a bit earlier. you can definitely get laid at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but best not to wait until you're upstairs to find out. a quickie interview initially would be the way to go.[/quote][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s opens at around 8 or 9 for the businessmen who want to stop by quickly on their way to work.

i agree that waiting til 10am makes more sense. by then mango, cherry, annie's, etc. will be open. it's easy to pass a few hours eating breakfast or looking around the neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1436108]Slowly but surely all my visions of Thai Prostitution being a noble profession are being annihilated. For a while there I'm thinking these girls are doing the LORDS work. Charming, witty, good company, yadda yadda yadda! Only thinking of helping the FAMILEE!

Giving extra time- no additional charge!

Holy Batman what an iddiot I was![/QUOTE]Your last line shows that you finally saw The Light! Ah ah ah ah

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1435583]I get my lazy butt to Nana at midnight to see if I can confirm these big natural titty spottings PinkPearl speaks of.

(snip)

Walking by Zen bar across from the Nana hotel parking lot I meet a employee who I seem to have good chemistry with and has a fabulous rear. Sit on the bar stool outside groping her ass and chatting from midnight to 2am while simultaneously eyeballing the freelancers across the street and did not see any big natural titties during those 2 hours.[/QUOTE]As mentioned in my post the DD girls I saw across the street from NEP were found in the mid afternoon, at 7 & 10 pm & at night. So you obviously missed the boat arriving at 12 in the morning. That's when the LBs are often out in force & IMO the late night "shift" of street gals leaves a lot to be desired, as I've posted before. Not in looks, makeup or gear, perhaps, but everything else. Attitude, service, sobriety. What's that saying, the early bird gets the worm?

Tonight (Wednesday the 19th, BKK time) I had the pleasure of enjoying a very pretty Nana Hotel car park 1000 Baht ST regular who facially resembles model Celia Kwok or many of those on sex 141 more than your typical Thai P4P girl. Services given included BBBJ, DATO, FS with FK, in that order. I grabbed her quickly as I saw Harold 666 coming around the corner towards her with his eyeballs bugging out & copious amounts of saliva dripping down his chin.

Yes I know newbie with his 1st post.

But I've been reading this site on & off for the last year preparing for my one night.

I'm a 48 year old Aussie who's been going to Thailand since I was 23, married my Thai girlfriend about 17 years ago & we both live in Australia.

Whenever we go back to Thailand my leash is normally not long enough to partake of anything mentioned in this forum as she knows better.

This time I've let my wife go a week earlier & I've swindled one night in Bangkok alone before I travel upcountry to join my wife & leash.

I've sort of prepared. Gone on a diet (back to my normal weight) , got & tried some Indian viagra, got & tried alone some sagami condoms (nearly feels like bareback enough not to use latex again)

I'm to arrive at swampy airport at 8pm in a weeks time.

I think I'll try a taxi with pay for tolls & take quickest route.

Since it's 1 night & I've never really experienced a true PSE I think I must go for this as I would hate to try a bar / etc. With a starfish experience.

I was originally going to try Eden but there's too many negative / bad reports for me to risk it.

The last couple of weeks of reports have led me to try Tulip, SnowWhite or Mango.

I'm thinking of either Tulip or SnowWhite & pick a girl with a positive report from the last few weeks.

Since I arrive at swampy at 8pm & their last client is at 11pm should I book for their premises or a out-call to my hotel?

If I book a out-call how do I arrange that as I don't know my room number as I'm not there yet?

What time? I think 10. 30pm should allow me to get there & have a quick shave & shower. Any thoughts?

I still haven't picked my hotel yet, still don't know which one?

I'm willing to spend 3000-5000B.

I was thinking of Livingston's Lodge as it's closer to Tulip, SnowWhite.

But I'm thinking of a nicer place closer to some action after 1am (after my Tulip / SnowWhite action). Any thoughts?

It seems at 1am the go-go's are winding up (nearly closed with only the nightly rejects left)

& Nana parking lot is full of ugly-drunk girls & a pack of katoeys.

Any other places to try, probably not interested in a upmarket nightclub / disco though.

If anyone can help me positively with the above it would be greatly appreciated.

As I'm running out of time (have to book a girl & hotel room in the next day or two)

If I get some help & have a great experience I'll try to write up a report when I get back.

Last Monday I decided to try the new restaurant which has opened recently in Soi 4. It was called Istanbul before and has re-opened as Dubai. Firstly I was surprised how busy the place was especially as it was a Monday, probably almost 70% full. There were a lot of Korean people there so the owner may have struck some kind of all in voucher deal with tour operators. To my relief they do serve alcohol. The waiter was very helpful, I ordered a prawn masala with rice and a double glass of red wine. The food was served in about ten minutes, which impressed me.

The staff were helpful without being over-bearing. I don't like being asked every five minutes if everything is OK. Overall a very nice experience and somewhere I would not only return to but also recommend to others. The quality of the food and wine was very good. Total cost 600 baht including the wine.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Harold444;1436433]So anyway I passed through an asoke office bldg. On my way to foodland for lunch. OMG the office girls look so darn hot. .[/QUOTE]They are. That is what makes is hard for me to go to Nana or Cowboy. Gals there pale in comparison to office girls.

Gentlemen returning to the land I love next week. With the new airport and a short visit should I go eat to Pattaya or West to BKK. I need clothes sex and massages and not necessarily in that order.

Your counsel please.

PP

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder; 1436633]Gentlemen returning to the land I love next week. With the new airport and a short visit should I go eat to Pattaya or West to BKK. I need clothes sex and massages and not necessarily in that order.

Your counsel please.

PP[/QUOTE]With the airport raillink you will be in no time near Nana or Soi Cowboy. So "Go West!"

You could try Cherry Massage too. The service levels are pretty decent and PSE for sure.

[QUOTE=AussieBeer; 1436503]I still haven't picked my hotel yet, still don't know which one?

I'm willing to spend 3000-5000B.

I was thinking of Livingston's Lodge as it's closer to Tulip, SnowWhite.

But I'm thinking of a nicer place closer to some action after 1am (after my Tulip / SnowWhite action). Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Livingstone is very nice, totally GF, they have their "own" ladies in the sports lounge bar but Soi 33 has a fair number of girlie bars, as well. So it is close to the action.

Even Soi Cowboy is only a short drive in a taxi away.

[QUOTE=AussieBeer; 1436503]Yes I know newbie with his 1st post.

I'm thinking of either Tulip or SnowWhite & pick a girl with a positive report from the last few weeks.

Since I arrive at swampy at 8pm & their last client is at 11pm should I book for their premises or a out-call to my hotel?

If I book a out-call how do I arrange that as I don't know my room number as I'm not there yet?

What time? I think 10. 30pm should allow me to get there & have a quick shave & shower. Any thoughts?

I was thinking of Livingston's Lodge as it's closer to Tulip, SnowWhite.

But I'm thinking of a nicer place closer to some action after 1am (after my Tulip / SnowWhite action). Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]Tulip / SnowWhite / EZ / Mango are all a stone's throw from LL on Soi 33 so getting room service is easy, even if you don't know room number. You can make your booking with one of the oilies. I know EZ and Tulip definitely reply to emails, no personal experience with emails for others [maybe call them? ], then email Giotto when you make your LL hotel booking. He'll entertain her if you're late!

There's still time afterwards to walk or taxi to Cowboy Soi or Nana for go-go bars or whatever meets your fancy.

And we expect a report of your escapades.

I'm just going to be in BKK for two nights, but don't arrive at airport until 10:20pm. If I want to exchange cash Baht, is the rate at the airport good, and if not, are there any change places open around 11:30 near Soi Cowboy?

Want to make sure I get off to a running start on first night.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1436673]Tulip / SnowWhite / EZ / Mango are all a stone's throw from LL on Soi 33 so getting room service is easy, even if you don't know room number. You can make your booking with one of the oilies. I know EZ and Tulip definitely reply to emails, no personal experience with emails for others [maybe call them? ], then email Giotto when you make your LL hotel booking. He'll entertain her if you're late!

There's still time afterwards to walk or taxi to Cowboy Soi or Nana for go-go bars or whatever meets your fancy.

And we expect a report of your escapades.[/QUOTE]Good post and accurate. Livingstone Lodge has its own 'Sports Bar' and being on Soi 33 you have a basis for further mongering. I don't care that the dead artists bars have

Largely gone (expensive drinks and expensive ladies) to be replaced by a mixture of other places providing plenty of opportunity to monger.

As to Soi Cowboy and Nana. Walking distance even if your take out might expect a taxi back. Soi even numbers run much more slowly on the far side of Skvt so you are not far from Sois 22 and 24.

Enjoy

[QUOTE=AussieBeer;1436503]I have one night in Bangkok[/QUOTE]Without a doubt the JW. Ground zero and nice digs. Leave LL for longer trips.

Any recommendations for regular nightclubs to meet regular women and working girls?

Also, recommendations for top massage clubs. Any high end service with one or more ladies?

Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/QUOTE]See a doctor.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/QUOTE]Most pharmacists speak good English and will hook you up. I have had this problem in Thailand as well, never before. Doubt it's the popcorn although that's a lot of fiber. I think the hygiene here is probably horrific across the board. They leave food out with 50 flies on them before serving.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1436673]Tulip / SnowWhite / EZ / Mango are all a stone's throw from LL on Soi 33 so getting room service is easy, even if you don't know room number. You can make your booking with one of the oilies. I know EZ and Tulip definitely reply to emails, no personal experience with emails for others [maybe call them? ], then email Giotto when you make your LL hotel booking. He'll entertain her if you're late!

There's still time afterwards to walk or taxi to Cowboy Soi or Nana for go-go bars or whatever meets your fancy.

And we expect a report of your escapades.[/QUOTE]Thank you for that answer, so it looks like LL it is!

All I need to do now is pick a girl & ring & book.

I think I might say to them " choice (1) is. , choice (2) is. , choice (3) is." in case one is off / sick / on the rags for the day.

If my escapade is worthy enough for this forum I will post the result.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/QUOTE]Two things you might try. The first is the BRAT diet that pediatricians tell parents to feed children with diarrhea. This consists of bananas, steamed white rice (with nothing added) , apples and toast (no butter). Start with bananas; add the rice when you can eat the bananas without symptoms; etc.

The other is to eat nothing but plain steamed white rice and plain yogurt with active cultures. The first worked on my children; the second has worked for me.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1436723]See a doctor.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you can get here or not, but it really works better than most scrips. Lesson to all bring yours with you when you come.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1436673]Tulip / SnowWhite / EZ / Mango are all a stone's throw from LL on Soi 33 so getting room service is easy, even if you don't know room number. You can make your booking with one of the oilies. I know EZ and Tulip definitely reply to emails, no personal experience with emails for others [maybe call them? ], then email Giotto when you make your LL hotel booking. He'll entertain her if you're late!

There's still time afterwards to walk or taxi to Cowboy Soi or Nana for go-go bars or whatever meets your fancy.

And we expect a report of your escapades.[/QUOTE]Do you have the email for Tulip?

Go see this guy.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2184-General-Reports&p=1382140&viewfull=1#post1382140[/url]

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TConor;1436755]Do you have the email for Tulip?[/QUOTE]I have found both Tulip / SnowWhite telephone numbers on their website.

I think it would be easier to ring them, it case 1 girl is booked & give them my choices for girls (ie 1, 2.3)

I still haven't decided which oiley or girls but will probably ring them tomorrow.

I can find more reviews of the Tulip girls but SnowWhite girls are meant to be better / prettier? But not enough reviews to choose.

I'm looking for the full works, have never tried anal, arse licking & my Thai wife has never let me CIM, also only 1 pop per week so I'm looking for a good experience.

If I land at swampy at 8pm should 10. 30pm be a good time to book at LL? , would that give me enough time to get there & get ready or should I make it 11pm?

[QUOTE=Rye007; 1436719]Any recommendations for regular nightclubs to meet regular women and working girls?

Also, recommendations for top massage clubs. Any high end service with one or more ladies?[/QUOTE]I recommend you read the Forum, and not be lazy, also pay the $20 membership fee.

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld;1436724]Most pharmacists speak good English and will hook you up. I have had this problem in Thailand as well, never before. Doubt it's the popcorn although that's a lot of fiber. I think the hygiene here is probably horrific across the board. They leave food out with 50 flies on them before serving.[/QUOTE]Probably not as good, I doubt a food handling card is required to serve food in Thai. I recall one time at a street vendor the guy started picking his nose right in front of me..


[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1436744]Two things you might try. The first is the BRAT diet that pediatricians tell parents to feed children with diarrhea. This consists of bananas, steamed white rice (with nothing added) , apples and toast (no butter). Start with bananas; add the rice when you can eat the bananas without symptoms; etc.

The other is to eat nothing but plain steamed white rice and plain yogurt with active cultures. The first worked on my children; the second has worked for me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I'll have to try that and next time bring a lot of pepto. It can be awful especially if you're on a full BTS and have to get off the next stop and hopefully there's a toilet nearby lol

[quote]=AussieBeer; 1436503]I'm thinking of either Tulip or SnowWhite & pick a girl with a positive report from the last few weeks.[/quote]It looks like I can't book a outcall with Tulip if they don't have a website with a contact telephone number?

So unless I've missed something it will have to be SnowWhite / Mango

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/QUOTE]FWIW, some years back I used to arrive into Bangkok fairly regularly, and so did a doctor (a real one) from Malaysia known as Dr. Sundaras, his asfo moniker. He tells me his cure was no eating, only drink real original coke cola, not diet coke, and after a day or so it will be gone, only the original formula in a bottle, not any extra flavours etc. Or

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/QUOTE]Best thing for upset stomach is starve yourself for a day. Only drink sugary drinks. If you get Gatorade it is better. By evening you should be fine.

Taking medicine makes you more tired and you will not have any energy to satisfy your lady.

IMHO, anyone traveling to Asia should carry some basic medication especially anti diarrhea medication. Certainly those little pills would take up less room that a bottle of pepto bismo and can take up much less room that the small packs of condom you guys are carrying for your trip.

One doesn't have to take the full tablet, I give them away to visitors like candy. Tell them the first sign of a problem break it in half and go from there. That usually takes care of the problem.

As noted, living here for a number of years you can go to any pharmacy and just tell them what you have and they will give you something usually a few items for your problem. Do you think you are the only ones shitting in your pants for Thais this is a daily event to them.

If nose picking is the worse you can come up with I've seen how the food is handle where the vendors themselves buy their products in the morning and seen dozens of vendors home (more than I care for) how they handle the food and prepare it. You would never eat vendor or market food again if I went into detail. The pots and pans they use are as toxic as the pesticiles they use in growing their fruit and vegetable. You would starve if you lived here if you got too technical. You just got to go with it!

As for medicine, as I said you can get their form of Pepto Bismo, it comes in a white small bottle, in any 7/11 store there is a small medicine counter area that you will find it even if you don't read Thai? It is pretty obvious? And if you get it real bad and it runs like water and you are dead and tired you can also get the packs of electrolites that you just add to water and drink. Forget the sugar and Gatoraid, get yourself at a street vendor stand fresh coconut juices straight from one of those small coconut it has 10x the stuff you would get at any pharmacy. That is pure energy.

As noted by another poster, bananas and straight white rice steam is best for you. That is the same recipe they give dogs when they have the bad runs. That should work perfectly for you dog mongers?

Now you have the solution get yourself cleanup and a fresh pair of underwear and get to work just don't ask any girl to lick your swollen ass for a few days?

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1436809]I recall one time at a street vendor the guy started picking his nose right in front of me.[/QUOTE]Just adding the local flavour, mate. Just some extra flavour. LOL

Are excellent if the runs continue more than 24 hours. Often available in pharmacies marked "UNICEF". No doubt part of UNICEF's aid for young children getting into the shops.

[QUOTE=Dewdrops;1426181]I have a pregnancy fetish. Is there any place where pregnant girls can be found? Bar, street worker, red light area?[/QUOTE]I was lucky once in soi4 one late night returning after one of the late night discos. Some 3-4 years ago. It is not impossible to find a pregnant working girl, but It is definitely not easy.

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1395680]Been reading old post and maybe I just missed it, but I haven't seen the Thermae mentioned. Been around for over 10 years and seems to be getting some fresh blood pumped into the place / QUOTE]Since Vietnam days, more like 40yrs.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1436917]IMHO, ae, in any 7/11 store there is a small medicine counter area that you will find it even if you don't read Thai? It is pretty obvious? And if you get it real bad and it runs like water and you are dead and tired you can also get the packs of electrolites that you just add to water and drink. Forget the sugar and Gatoraid, get yourself at a street vendor stand fresh coconut juices straight from one of those small coconut it has 10x the stuff you would get at any pharmacy. That is pure energy.

As noted by another poster, bananas and straight white rice steam is best for you. That is the same recipe they give dogs when they have the bad runs. That should work perfectly for you dog mongers?

Now you have the solution get yourself cleanup and a fresh pair of underwear and get to work just don't ask any girl to lick your swollen ass for a few days?[/QUOTE]I have a little loose stomach here every day, but I think it is not a problem and hopefully not dangerous. Maybe one reason is that I eat very spicy food. I don't think it leads to dehydration, because it is not like diarrhea, multiple times a day but just watery like once a day. Still I'd like to find that UNICEF product mentioned, I think it can be very handy if you go weak. 7eleven not have but I must go ask pharmacy.

I have also Zithromax, I think for food poisoning it should help?

Now I have nose running and fever 38 last night, maybe nothing serious, I just think it is from getting wet due to rain and then getting cold with air con. Hopefully painkillers and rest help.

[quote]=Tony Hoeprano;1436720]Does anyone have any sure-fire cures for upset stomach and the runs in Thailand? Having an upset stomach and / or the runs made it unpleasant to both monger and go on non-p4p dates. It seems culprits were movie theatre popcorn (last saw Ironman 3 and had to run to the bathroom after it was finished LOL) , overeating at buffets, and waiting until I got very hungry. I normally don't take anti diarrhea medication except pepto bismo but they don't sell it in Thailand pharmacies[/quote]Something I learnt in India.

Coca-Cola (normal red one) and then put a good 2 pinches of salt into it.

Drink 1 of those every four hours. Coke and salt kills anything in your stomach.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1434970]Yes I have been there a few times and first time last autumn I believe. Very nice crowd of people. A mixed girl crowd (freelance and regular). I guess this club runs in the same segment as Bed&Supper, Q-Bar and BASH (to mention some other clubs in Soi 11 as well). Could ofcourse also mentioned Climax in the same gasp for air but that I consider as a freelanceplace only. Others may argue.

Between 5-1000bht covercharge weekends. But I have had good times at Levels as well. 1 btl of Absolute runs around 3000BHT plus extras ofcourse.[/QUOTE]This is a Hi-end club for the "in crowd" (Local upperclas). I would never compare this to Climax, as this club is not a P4P club wich I consider Climax to be a kind of. It is a sophisticated and cool place with a great atmosphere. If you go, then you should dress to the occasion.

[QUOTE=TConor;1436755]Do you have the email for Tulip?[/QUOTE]Apologies, was thinking of Annies when typing Tulip. Think they only use phone service.

[QUOTE=Zahle;1437256]This is a Hi-end club for the "in crowd" (Local upperclas). I would never compare this to Climax, as this club is not a P4P club wich I consider Climax to be a kind of. It is a sophisticated and cool place with a great atmosphere. If you go, then you should dress to the occasion.[/QUOTE]I pretty much agree with you and I did also underline in my post that I view Climax as an all in freelance hangout (with small exceptions) so in that way it stands out from the other mentioned clubs. Levels, Q-Bar, Bed&Supper (still there) , BASH are in my view no hi end club but semi hi end club with a mixed crowd from tourist / probably well heeled locals / expats (both sexes) and some freelancegirls (but here you have to work carefully as chances are high you can run into a non P4P girl)

You don't find hi end clubs in the lower Sukhumvit area. But ofcourse we can have different criterias in how we view a nightclub.

I agree with your comments regarding dresscodes. You would look quite misplaced (if you get in at all) with your flip flops and your Victoria Bitter (VB) singlet (no offence to aussies that is. I have one VB singlet on my own)lets say in BASH or Levels.

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1437216]Something I learnt in India.

Coca-Cola (normal red one) and then put a good 2 pinches of salt into it.

Drink 1 of those every four hours. Coke and salt kills anything in your stomach.[/QUOTE]If it's bad Ciprofloxacin. Just google "cipro travelers diarrhea".

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1437216]Something I learnt in India.

Coca-Cola (normal red one) and then put a good 2 pinches of salt into it.

Drink 1 of those every four hours. Coke and salt kills anything in your stomach.[/QUOTE]If it hasn't been killed by your stomach acid, then some Coke and salt will not do the trick either.

"Cola + salt" is a quick and easy replacement for "Oral Rehydration Therapy" solutions: water + sugar + salts

[QUOTE=TConor;1436754]I'm not sure if you can get here or not, but it really works better than most scrips. Lesson to all bring yours with you when you come.[/QUOTE]You should bring a complete assortment of all prescription medications that you take plus those that you may need in an emergency, when you travel anywhere. However, the best thing is to visit a hospital, clinic or doctor for an examination. You might have appendicitis or something only a doctor can diagnose. In Thailand, such a visit is about 1000 Baht with medication. Wasting time with home remedies and risking your life is the most foolish thing you can do. Your embassy doesn't need another corpse of a drunken jerkoff to deal with.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1436779]I recommend you read the Forum, and not be lazy, also pay the $20 membership fee.[/QUOTE]What does paying the fee have to do with anything. I have in the past.

I've gone over several pages but have not found good detailed posting as there used to be in the past.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1437596]However, the best thing is to visit a hospital, clinic or doctor for an examination. You might have appendicitis or something only a doctor can diagnose. In Thailand, such a visit is about 1000 Baht with medication. Wasting time with home remedies and risking your life is the most foolish thing you can do. Your embassy doesn't need another corpse of a drunken jerkoff to deal with.[/QUOTE]I agree with that, but it must be a farang ripoff place to charge 1000 baht. My doctor only charges 400 baht including medicine.

[QUOTE]Pepto-Bismol. Taking two tablets of Pepto-Bismol four times a day before and during international travel can help prevent many cases of diarrhea. Pepto-Bismol should not be taken for more than 3 weeks. Both aspirin and Pepto-Bismol share the active ingredient salicylate, which can be harmful to children. Many medications interfere with salicylate, and people who are allergic to aspirin, pregnant women, and those with ulcers, other bleeding disorders, or gout, should not take Pepto-Bismol without consulting a doctor. Side effects of Pepto-Bismol include ringing in the ears and black stools and tongue.[/QUOTE]About 20 years ago, I was on a trip through the Amazon that included several medical doctors. Those doctors were swigging Pepto-Bismol like sailors drinking beer. I was told that the Pepto-Bismol prevents or lessens diarrhea by coating the stomach.

Since then, I've followed the Pepto-Bismol routine on every overseas trip that I have taken. I'll drink Pepto-Bismol from a bottle shortly BEFORE the trip. During the trip, I'll take two chewable Pepto-Bismol tablets four times a day. So far, so good. You still have to use good common sense on what to eat and drink. It's still possible that you'll get diarrhea, but it doesn't last long.

If you're in the USA, the Target store brand of Pepto-Bismol is what I buy especially the chewable tablets. It's easy to carry the chewable tablets in your pocket so you don't forget to take it.

Prevention is the key. Or else bring lots of extra underwear and carry a small emergency roll of toilet paper at all times.

[QUOTE=Yujin; 1437763]About 20 years ago, I was on a trip through the Amazon that included several medical doctors. Those doctors were swigging Pepto-Bismol like sailors drinking beer. I was told that the Pepto-Bismol prevents or lessens diarrhea by coating the stomach.

Since then, I've followed the Pepto-Bismol routine on every overseas trip that I have taken. I'll drink Pepto-Bismol from a bottle shortly BEFORE the trip. During the trip, I'll take two chewable Pepto-Bismol tablets four times a day...[/QUOTE]Just about the right sort of post to confuse the situation totally. Taking any medicine continuously merely postpones the day when you get the runs.

And doctors are the worst.

In 40 years of overseas travel with no specific pills / medicines. I have survived with one minor attack of the and v. Americans are particularly prone to.

The and v since they live in a sterile world. Others who brush their teeth with the local water; eat local food, freshly cooked and avoid 4* hotel buffets survive.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1437151]

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1395680]Been reading old post and maybe I just missed it, but I haven't seen the Thermae mentioned. Been around for over 10 years and seems to be getting some fresh blood pumped into the place / QUOTE]Since Vietnam days, more like 40yrs.[/QUOTE]I checked out Thermae and Biergarten a couple of weeks ago to show a visiting friend. During the day Biergarten was empty (this was a Friday afternoon) and Thermae was closed with a passed out farang in the stairwell. We returned in the evening. Biergarten was packed and filled with the usual assortment of farang and Grade B freelancers. But Thermae. Wow!. Thermae was packed with young, good-looking girls who absolutely ignored us because we weren't Japanese, who were sitting there smoking, drinking, and looking.

We ended up going to Baccara to see the bazillion girls. The place also ended up packed, mostly with Japanese. Good for the girls if they're getting more bucks out of Japanese and Middle Easterners but it is tough being a cheap farang.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1437786]Just about the right sort of post to confuse the situation totally. Taking any medicine continuously merely postpones the day when you get the runs.

And doctors are the worst.

In 40 years of overseas travel with no specific pills / medicines. I have survived with one minor attack of d and v. Americans are particularly prone to d and v since they live in a sterile world. Others who brush their teeth with the local water; eat local food, freshly cooked and avoid 4* hotel buffets survive.[/QUOTE]There is so much crap written by people with no knowledge or expertise, so it is good to see the occasional bit of common sense. Thank you, Scorchin.

There is no need or point in taking Pepto-Bismol as a preventative. If you get mild diarrhoea it can help. Generally D and V clears up after a few days, and can be helped by rehydration therapy (sports drinks are often useful). If it continues, see a doctor. He will probably prescribe ciprofloxacin. If you are confident in your own diagnostic capabilities and don't want to see a doctor, then 2 x 2mg loperamide (which you can buy over the counter) will stop diarrhoea pretty quickly (but won't cure any underlying disease).

And I completely agree with eating local food etc etc.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1437596]You should bring a complete assortment of all prescription medications that you take plus those that you may need in an emergency, when you travel anywhere. However, the best thing is to visit a hospital, clinic or doctor for an examination. You might have appendicitis or something only a doctor can diagnose. In Thailand, such a visit is about 1000 Baht with medication. Wasting time with home remedies and risking your life is the most foolish thing you can do. Your embassy doesn't need another corpse of a drunken jerkoff to deal with.[/QUOTE]Personally in many ways we are all over thinking this topic? I personally living here like many of the medicine that are available in the States. Those medicine like Vitamins I take I bring back here and use when I get sick or need. Although I can get many of the medicine here for like runs what I don't like is when I go in a pharmacy I'm given a hand full of pills for one problem. I find that the over the counter stuff in the USA are much stronger that is what I have found in looking at the labels.

Like the last week, I have a cough because I got stuck in the rain a few times soaked and woke up the next day with a sore throat, lost of voice and thereafter a cough. It is the same thing each time I have medicine from the USA over the counter that would most likely knock it out in a day. But I usually wait day or so and then go to a Thai pharmacy and see what they give me. If it works I look it up on the Internet and keep a record for the next time.

What I see and read here is you wouldn't do it in the USA. Or any other Western country if you have the runs you go immediately to the doctor because it think it is very serious or life threatening. To think you have the runs here and think you might have a appentictis or you got to go to a hospital and only a doctor can diagnose is a big stretch in my opinion. Is it so cheap here and so good that you would do something you wouldn't at home?

Just last week a expat I knew had died, he was told that he had this at BHP, got a operation for it because he believed that doctor diagnose after the operation he still felt the same went back in and now they told him he had something else 2 weeks later in was dead. This brought up a old conversation regarding hospital in Thailand especially Bumrungrad and BPH in Pattaya, both International known but living her for years we have heard the horrible stories regarding these hospital when it comes to serious illness and how procedure are recommended when not necessary. We living here know that many of these hospital are profit only and have quotas each day to fill rooms and give so many unnecessary test. How would you like to go in having the runs and have the doctor tell you they got to do a stomach scope to know? On a another topic it isn't what it seems here?

There is a reason majority of the medicine you buy over the counter USA say on the bottle if your problems doesn't resolve in a few day " go see a doctor " So to end, like everything else when you land in LOS you get stupid, everyone should know there own health, and if you don't get a checkup and if you are that bad off as noted you shouldn't come the USA Embassy has enough problem without spending tax dollars to send your ass back home. But for simple run in the pants to run to a hospital is a over reaction in my opinion. Some of you guys need to stop being so anal retentive with all this pepto stuff! Just let the shit flow!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1438049]We living here know that many of these hospital are profit only and have quotas each day to fill rooms and give so many unnecessary test. How would you like to go in having the runs and have the doctor tell you they got to do a stomach scope to know? On a another topic it isn't what it seems here?[/QUOTE]True that. One of the reasons I have eschewed the top end privates in favor of places like St Louis Hospital. Actually if you have time the teaching facilities like Chula are fantastic and very cheap. Often you get to see Drs who are also professors. A visit there can run all of 100 baht.

I remember seeing a price list will all the bar fine and drink cost for the bars / clubs in Bangkok. Does anyone know where I can find this?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1438067]True that. One of the reasons I have eschewed the top end privates in favor of places like St Louis Hospital. Actually if you have time the teaching facilities like Chula are fantastic and very cheap. Often you get to see Drs who are also professors. A visit there can run all of 100 baht.[/QUOTE]I've heard the same but this is the first time I've heard anything about St Louis and I'm in Pattaya for a emergency it isn't a option. Since you eschewed for personally reason are these hospital part of the National Health system that is being offered for Thais. In the very near future I will have to take a day trip up and ccheck it out?

Thanks, LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1438081]I've heard the same but this is the first time I've heard anything about St Louis and I'm in Pattaya for a emergency it isn't a option. Since you eschewed for personally reason are these hospital part of the National Health system that is being offered for Thais. In the very near future I will have to take a day trip up and ccheck it out?

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]I'll add another option for you too. The Adventist Hospital in BKK offers world class care at reasonable prices. I had a complete physical there for one third the cost of the popular rip off big names. No add ons, no hassles and a doctor who would actually talk to me and not talk down to me. I also managed this as a walk in patient and was done and out in 2 hours.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1437735]I've been checking out the street scene- not at all impressed. 1000 baht might be overpaying just a teenie tiny bit. LOL,[/QUOTE]Great. All the more for me. It's been a gold mine out there since 07.

You should have seen the FF rack on the totally beautiful babe in the nurse's uniform a couple years ago. Excellent English skills too, BTW, unlike your R4 girls you're constantly advertising. How much do they pay you. 10 baht a post. No doubt you're enticing some business there, even if it's guys like me who just want to look & blow 200B on a drink.

But it sounds like you're stuck looking at street walkers in 300 baht Chinatown. Isn't it time you explored other areas of Bangkok?

Or is it the Grace Hotel you are camped out at. Those girls would have to pay me to go with them.

Same for many, many, many, or let's just say most bar & gogo girls.

I've read a bunch of your posts and seems you are always asking for info but rarely post any info in return. It's your right I guess but I'd really like to know why this would help you. Would you avoid bars with higher drink prices?

[QUOTE=JayHighFive;1438078]I remember seeing a price list will all the bar fine and drink cost for the bars / clubs in Bangkok. Does anyone know where I can find this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1438091]I'll add another option for you too. The Adventist Hospital in BKK offers world class care at reasonable prices. I had a complete physical there for one third the cost of the popular rip off big names. No add ons, no hassles and a doctor who would actually talk to me and not talk down to me. I also managed this as a walk in patient and was done and out in 2 hours.[/QUOTE]It's a good hospital. Heck, I was born there.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;1438091]I'll add another option for you too. The Adventist Hospital in BKK offers world class care at reasonable prices. I had a complete physical there for one third the cost of the popular rip off big names. No add ons, no hassles and a doctor who would actually talk to me and not talk down to me. I also managed this as a walk in patient and was done and out in 2 hours.[/QUOTE]The Adventist Hospital is called Mission Hospital. They also have a great vegetarian cafeteria and a shop that sells wonderful breads at about 65 baht a loaf!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1438081]I've heard the same but this is the first time I've heard anything about St Louis and I'm in Pattaya for a emergency it isn't a option. Since you eschewed for personally reason are these hospital part of the National Health system that is being offered for Thais. In the very near future I will have to take a day trip up and ccheck it out?

Thanks, LBM[/QUOTE]St Louis is a private hospital (but non-profit Catholic) , but is far less expensive than Bummy, Samit, BNH, etc. The teaching facilities like Chula and Siraraj are part of the gov system, but anyone can go there. Bad thing is wait times, but if you have the time, they are cheap and good.

[QUOTE=Mouse1; 1438040]There is so much crap written by people with no knowledge or expertise, so it is good to see the occasional bit of common sense. Thank you, Scorchin.

There is no need or point in taking Pepto-Bismol as a preventative. If you get mild diarrhoea it can help. Generally D and V clears up after a few days, and can be helped by rehydration therapy (sports drinks are often useful). If it continues, see a doctor. He will probably prescribe ciprofloxacin. If you are confident in your own diagnostic capabilities and don't want to see a doctor, then 2 x 2mg loperamide (which you can buy over the counter) will stop diarrhoea pretty quickly (but won't cure any underlying disease).

And I completely agree with eating local food etc etc.[/QUOTE]I've traveled extensively, typically eat food from the street stalls and restaurants frequented by locals. I get D and V far more frequently from eating in USA restaurants; and I always notice a slight upset stomach and loose bowels for a couple of days when I return to the States after an extended trip.

I was there but I forgot which ones were full nude other then Suzy wongs. Lets make a list of them from soi cowboy and NEP. Lets make a list if at least 10 so we have options. I know you BKK veterans know this info off the top of your head.

Ill even start the list.

1. Suzy Wong's.

2.

3.

Goatscrot, C4Thai,

Thanks for the information, I will check them out!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1438098]Great.

You should have seen the FF rack on the totally beautiful babe in the nurse's uniform a couple years ago. Excellent English skills too, [/QUOTE]Ha, Nadia the bondage queen cum nurse cum anal dildo queen. Anyone who has been with Nadia and talks about her being beautiful loses more credibility than you will ever know among many of us. BTW, she just had a baby and both are doing fine.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1438230]I've traveled extensively, typically eat food from the street stalls and restaurants frequented by locals. I get D and V far more frequently from eating in USA restaurants; and I always notice a slight upset stomach and loose bowels for a couple of days when I return to the States after an extended trip.[/QUOTE]Same here. I frequent the popular street stalls in BKK and rarely have any problems. And, when I do, its a garden variety event, here today and gone tomorrow.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1438366]Ha, Nadia the bondage queen cum nurse cum anal dildo queen. Anyone who has been with Nadia and talks about her being beautiful loses more credibility than you will ever know among many of us. BTW, she just had a baby and both are doing fine.[/QUOTE]The girl I saw had another name, the biggest rack I've ever seen in LOS (including magazines & online websites) & was drop dead beautiful, which may explain why she hasn't been seen in 2 years. Anyone saying otherwise must be in dire need of seeing a ophthalmologist. I have fond memories of doing her BB doggystyle with one hand cupping each of those humunguous mammaries. Nice round bubble butt for boinking too. Girls like this doesn't last long in the Nana Hotel car park, so you have to scoop them up while you can.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1438036]

[QUOTE=Stevebny; 1438016]Are you kidding me! There s so much out there for the cheap farang. Thailand is your oyster.

Unless you looking for head turners and stunners for 1000 baht and below. LOL. Good luck then.[/QUOTE]It was a tour for my friend going from Nana to Soi Cowboy by way of Biergarten and a couple of the BJ places as well. I agree that if you put in the effort you can find quite acceptable bed mates for decent prices but my buddy was particularly fussy. Of course, who knows what he did after I dropped him off back at the JW Marriott, probably something stupidly expensive.

[QU OTE=AussieBeer; 1436503]Yes I know newbie with his 1st post.

But I've been reading this site on & off for the last year preparing for my one night.

I'm a 48 year old Aussie who's been going to Thailand since I was 23, married my Thai girlfriend about 17 years ago & we both live in Australia.

Whenever we go back to Thailand my leash is normally not long enough to partake of anything mentioned in this forum as she knows better...[/QUOTE]Hi,

I'm also travelling to Bangkok on a tight schedule. Please share good option tht you finalised.

Reading the forum is not helping with the time running out.

This is a late report, this happened a few months ago.

I found myself in BKK visiting a customer. Had to do the meetings, go for dinner etc but I found myself free and single at about 9. 30pm one night. I had done a bit of research and was looking to pick up a freelancer and as Nana Plaza was not too far away I decided to try there. I had heard that the place closed at about 11ish but thought I would try the NANA disco.

Nana Disco.

Under the Nana hotel, looks like you are walking in to an underground car park. It was free entry and a lot smaller than I expected. There were maybe 30 people in there. 10-15 punters and 15-20 girls, all working. Quality and age ranged quite a lot, I remember two nice girls, one very dark skinned, very tight jean hot pants and one older lady, late thirties, long white see-through dress. Both had tight bodies and no tits to speak of. I got the eye off most of the girls in there but I was only interest in looking around at first. Just had a few beers and sat at the bar checking the scene. It was good because although the ladies make eye contact now and then there was no pressure, no hard sells and no lady drink request. Just as I was getting in to it, light on and time to leave. I was a bit hacked off at this, expecting to be there till the early hours.

No worries though as outside was buzzing and packed with punters and freelancer. I walked up and down the bars a long the street a few times, even though they were closed you could still buy a beer from the lady stood outside, she just popped in to the bar and returned with a cold beer. After a while I sat on the kerb in the hotel car park, just outside reception. A few ladies approached me but none that sparked any naughty thoughts. They were nice but not slutty enough for me, they just stank of star-fish. Then dark skinned hot-pants from the disco came over. Mentioned she had seen me in the disco and introduced herself as Miss Chocolate. She asked me if I wanted any company, I starred at her tight body for a few seconds and asked her to join me. We had a beer together and after a while I told her straight out that I was looking for a lady for the night that did anal. She asked how big my cock was and then agreed to join me at my hotel. No mention of money.

Taxi back to Hotel, straight up to the room. Started with sexy strip, BBBJ, then she got on cowgirl, wow she was tight. After a few minute she came, I'll never forget her reaching orgasm and saying in a tiny voice with thai accent 'oh, I coming' great. Turned her over for missionary then doggy then doggy on end of bed with me standing on the floor. Tried to push my cock in to her arse but too tight, and no lube, even with the condom. She turned around spat on the dick and it slide in nicely, I did not take my time, I pushed straight in there because I love to hear the ladies gasp as they take one in the arse. Wow, it was tight. Pump for about 10 minutes then shot my load. Off too sleep. Next morning woke up about 10 and went for session two. Just straight sex this time. She wanted to stay longer but I had things to do so at about 11 I went to the room safe and pulled out a 1000 baht and handed it to her, saying it was for her taxi. I was expecting her to complain but she seemed genuinely happy and thanked me.

Great night, Ill never forget her coming and sliding my dick in to her tight arse, all for 25 Euro.

[QUOTE=TommySnap; 1438932]This is a late report, this happened a few months ago.

I found myself in BKK visiting a customer. Had to do the meetings, go for dinner etc but I found myself free and single at about 9. 30pm one night. I had done a bit of research and was looking to pick up a freelancer and as Nana Plaza was not too far away I decided to try there. I had heard that the place closed at about 11ish but thought I would try the NANA disco.

Nana Disco.

Under the Nana hotel, looks like you are walking in to an underground car park. It was free entry and a lot smaller than I expected. There were maybe 30 people in there. 10-15 punters and 15-20 girls, all working. Quality and age ranged quite a lot, I remember two nice girls, one very dark skinned, very tight jean hot pants and one older lady, late thirties, long white see-through dress. Both had tight bodies and no tits to speak of. I got the eye off most of the girls in there but I was only interest in looking around at first. Just had a few beers and sat at the bar checking the scene. It was good because although the ladies make eye contact now and then there was no pressure, no hard sells and no lady drink request. Just as I was getting in to it, light on and time to leave. I was a bit hacked off at this, expecting to be there till the early hours.

No worries though as outside was buzzing and packed with punters and freelancer. I walked up and down the bars a long the street a few times, even though they were closed you could still buy a beer from the lady stood outside, she just popped in to the bar and returned with a cold beer. After a while I sat on the kerb in the hotel car park, just outside reception. A few ladies approached me but none that sparked any naughty thoughts. They were nice but not slutty enough for me, they just stank of star-fish. Then dark skinned hot-pants from the disco came over. Mentioned she had seen me in the disco and introduced herself as Miss Chocolate. She asked me if I wanted any company, I starred at her tight body for a few seconds and asked her to join me. We had a beer together and after a while I told her straight out that I was looking for a lady for the night that did anal. She asked how big my cock was and then agreed to join me at my hotel. No mention of money.

Taxi back to Hotel, straight up to the room. Started with sexy strip, BBBJ, then she got on cowgirl, wow she was tight. After a few minute she came, I'll never forget her reaching orgasm and saying in a tiny voice with thai accent 'oh, I coming' great. Turned her over for missionary then doggy then doggy on end of bed with me standing on the floor. Tried to push my cock in to her arse but too tight, and no lube, even with the condom. She turned around spat on the dick and it slide in nicely, I did not take my time, I pushed straight in there because I love to hear the ladies gasp as they take one in the arse. Wow, it was tight. Pump for about 10 minutes then shot my load. Off too sleep. Next morning woke up about 10 and went for session two. Just straight sex this time. She wanted to stay longer but I had things to do so at about 11 I went to the room safe and pulled out a 1000 baht and handed it to her, saying it was for her taxi. I was expecting her to complain but she seemed genuinely happy and thanked me.

Great night, Ill never forget her coming and sliding my dick in to her tight arse, all for 25 Euro.[/QUOTE]What a nice report. Reminds me of the grand days of Nana Disco 10 plus years ago. Take a girl, usually great service, no mention of money, and pleased with 1k baht.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1438248]I was there but I forgot which ones were full nude other then Suzy wongs. Lets make a list of them from soi cowboy and NEP. Lets make a list if at least 10 so we have options.[/QUOTE]Quite a few places are either topless or knickerless but not too many are completely naked. Suzie Wong's yes but upstairs at Dollhouse is the only other I can think of. It's quite small though with just four girls dancing on four rounds tables. Billboard in Nana Plaza is an interesting place. It has a circular stage on which you can watch various dances and performances and there is a large Jacuzzi to the right of the entrance where I saw four young girls completely naked, only bubble bath to cover their modesty. They looked very fresh to the business. Spanky's has a shower too, so complete nudity there. Loads of topless places of course (Baccara upstairs, Mandarin, the left stage at Rainbow 4 etc). Pattaya has more topless bars and more complete nudity too, with lots of bars having showers or Jacuzzis. Best of all, it's not just the less pretty girls who you see naked. I saw a great girl completely naked in Airport and another honey in Baby Dolls.

[QUOTE=AussieBeer; 1436503]Yes I know newbie with his 1st post.
...
Reading the forum is not helping with the time running out.[/QUOTE]
Now if I've ever read a single lazyassed demanding post, that is the one. Next time ask if you can borrow other's dick as you need to save your to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] perhaps?

[quote]=PinkPearl; 1438502]The girl I saw had another name, the biggest rack I've ever seen in LOS (including magazines & online websites) & was drop dead beautiful[/quote]Where can I find such a lass, please?

I think there may be some cheap, sketchy freelancers here late at night.

Has anyone had a first hand experience with this?

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1439019]I think there may be some cheap, sketchy freelancers here late at night.

Has anyone had a first hand experience with this?[/QUOTE]You might get a bit of anything there, maybe recognizable, maybe not. So use a bit of caution when approaching some ladies as they might come out with a different set up when in the hotel room. AIf that is not your preference you will be very disappointed then!

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1438974]Quite a few places are either topless or knickerless but not too many are completely naked. Suzie Wong's yes but upstairs at Dollhouse is the only other I can think of. It's quite small though with just four girls dancing on four rounds tables. Billboard in Nana Plaza is an interesting place. It has a circular stage on which you can watch various dances and performances and there is a large Jacuzzi to the right of the entrance where I saw four young girls completely naked, only bubble bath to cover their modesty...[/QUOTE]I've read a number of ISG posts that state complete nudity is rare. I was at NEP and Soi Cowboy a few times early last December. The bars I remember entering were Baccarra, Tilac, Rainbow 1 & 4, Las Vegas, Billboard, Mercury, Spanky's, Angelwitch and Pretty Lady. In addition to these I stopped in at about half a dozen other places but cannot recall which ones they were. I'd estimate two-thirds of the ladies I saw were completely nude. In some bars every girl was fully nude (for example Spanky's) ; in others about half were nude and half were topless. Off hand I don't recall any that did not have at least a few girls dancing fully nude. Often the girls would start with a bikini bottom, which they would remove after a few minutes. This was consistent with what I observed in past years, going back as far as the early 2000's. I don't know why my experiences differ from what other members report. Perhaps it's because the owners try to push the limits and pull back when they get pressure from the authorities. I was just lucky to visit when the owners felt bold.

[QUOTE=D Cups;1439005]Where can I find such a lass, please?[/QUOTE]Here's one,

[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/ths/3895772044.html[/url]

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1439019]I think there may be some cheap, sketchy freelancers here late at night.

Has anyone had a first hand experience with this?[/QUOTE]There ARE hookers there (on the East side of the park) but most are for car pick ups and for rather "short time" encounters!

Most seem to cater for the local Thai guys for a "quickie" and reasonable English is not widely spoken.

I have passed there MANY times and, despite looking, have never found anything interesting for me. YMMV.

Hotman.

[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1439226]There ARE hookers there (on the East side of the park) but most are for car pick ups and for rather "short time" encounters!

Most seem to cater for the local Thai guys for a "quickie" and reasonable English is not widely spoken.

I have passed there MANY times and, despite looking, have never found anything interesting for me. YMMV.

Hotman.[/QUOTE]Fascinating. Maybe I will learn a few Thai words and come guns blazing with 2 crisp 100 baht bills and see if I can make some magic and have one of these heathens levitate on my ding dong.

Lumpini is flat out scary. To each his own.

:-o

[QUOTE=Dash Riprock; 1439350]Lumpini is flat out scary. To each his own.

:-o[/QUOTE]Do you remember the Lou Reed song "walk on the wild side"? Might be appropriate. Good thing is that Thais don't have much hair on their skin, so some of them do not require much shaving.

Arrived last night so horny I could spit cum. Took forever to get to town, got to Nana NO ONE THERE, my god I have never seen so few people here.

Sat in Rainbow 4 and chose a gal with a nice Rack, Ka# 99. Things seemed good, negotiated 3000 baht for long time no bar fine.

Did everything right fed her bought a dress my fetish and took her home.

Great body average face

NO Blow job without condom.

NO eating pussy.

1 round, it was a long one she enjoyed it and came several times, no more sex no sex in the am, it was fucking terrible.

I gave her 2000 and kicked her ass to the curb.

Today will be better!

PP

[quote=pinaypounder; 1439509]arrived last night so horny i could spit cum. took forever to get to town, got to nana no one there, my god i have never seen so few people here.

sat in rainbow 4 and chose a gal with a nice rack, ka# 99. things seemed good, negotiated 3000 baht for long time no bar fine.

did everything right fed her bought a dress my fetish and took her home.

great body average face

no blow job without condom..[/quote]unfortunate but very well played. gogo girls are the worst. too many guys giving them 2000 baht for 10 to 40 mins of nothing.

after some initial similar experiences to you, i now get rapey and forceful.

i am at least 10 for 10 with this.

it's so fucked up and would not recommend it but as much as they fight, i get my way and they start moaning.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder; 1439509]Arrived last night so horny I could spit cum. Took forever to get to town, got to Nana NO ONE THERE, my god I have never seen so few people here.

Sat in Rainbow 4 and chose a gal with a nice Rack, Ka# 99. Things seemed good, negotiated 3000 baht for long time no bar fine.

Did everything right fed her bought a dress my fetish and took her home.

Great body average face

NO Blow job without condom.

NO eating pussy.

1 round, it was a long one she enjoyed it and came several times, no more sex no sex in the am, it was fucking terrible.

I gave her 2000 and kicked her ass to the curb.

Today will be better!

PP[/QUOTE]Would have called the session off when there was no BBBJ. And sent her out the door with 100 baht.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1439509]Sat in Rainbow 4 and chose a gal with a nice Rack, Ka# 99. Things seemed good, negotiated 3000 baht for long time no bar fine.[/QUOTE]How the hell did you not pay a bar fine for a Rainbow 4 girl? I've never had that.

[quote=SXXXX]I recommend you read the Forum, and not be lazy, also pay the $20 membership fee.[/quote][QUOTE=Rye007; 1437613]What does paying the fee have to do with anything. I have in the past.

I've gone over several pages but have not found good detailed posting as there used to be in the past.[/QUOTE]The real issue is that this thread has no FAQ posting.

The same questions come up time after time. The long time thread squatters here get tired reading the same old requests and blame it on the poster for not doing their homework. Those who are tired of those same old questions are just as lazy for not putting energy into a community FAQ than those they accuse for not doing their homework.

Yes, posts get buried quickly around this place; it is a fact of life. New people to the thread will always materialize, looking for the same beginner kind of information. People got to get used to both ends, get grouchy, or get lost. Most here know the category they sit.

And by the way, paying the $20 still won't get you a fast path to the information you ask about. Lets be careful though not to diminish the good cause the money goes to which is to support the infrastructure for us to share the information related to this fine hobby.

Nana Plaza now has three go-go bars open for daytime action (from 1pm) with reduced alcohol prices. Cute girl standing in front of the plaza passing out these flyers but she didn't know if daytime BF and lady fees were reduced.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1439558]The real issue is that this thread has no FAQ posting.[/QUOTE]What about the RoD, Report of Distinctions? There one cn have a lot of information, concentrated in few and selected posts.

FAQ is part of an informative and commercial website, not a foru,

Indeed you have a FAQ here, and serves the purposes to help the people to use ISG. This shows what a FAQ is and can't be whata you mean.

A forum represents the particiaptiona nd contribution, debates and commentsfrom different people. It is not a commercial portal.

Either one participates, follows, reads, contributes more or less regularly, and gets all the information, day by day.

Or accepts the concept to have to RTFF.

Members and participants here are not here on voluntarily or paid basis to act a call center answering questions.

Legitimate questions come out and are looked after, maybe after 1 day. 2 hors, one week.

So those coming here two hours before taking a plane wishing to have all their specific answers (and most of them already available pages before) are using ISG in the wrong way.

They might be some of those bothered to read 250 pages of a book and jump to the last 2 pages to know who the murderer is. Can do that, but there is no thrill anymore to build up your own opinion page after page.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1437188]Now I have nose running and fever 38 last night, maybe nothing serious, I just think it is from getting wet due to rain and then getting cold with air con. Hopefully painkillers and rest help.[/QUOTE]Not possible to get sick from being wet and turning the ac on yourself. You have to pick up or introduce the bug to your body someway. Colds / viruses just don't magically appear by chilling yourself after being a little wet.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1439564]What about the RoD, Report of Distinctions? There one cn have a lot of information, concentrated in few and selected posts.[/QUOTE]The RoDs are a potpourri of trip reports and personal experiences without any sense of informational organization. I am taking about a fast path to the most often asked questions by nubies. It should be anchored at the top of this thread.

If you don't like calling it a FAQ, give it anaother name then. Fact is, there is little here to make things easy on the newcommer without trying to tell them to look all over hell and spend tons of hours finding answers. It is no secret the search capability here sucks. I myself have to do special things via google which works far better.

There is absolutely no good reason why questions like: 1) What are the recommended girl friendly hotels to stay in close to area xyz? Can't be anchored with all the other surrounding popular questions in its own consolidated list at the top of the form. It is all about organizational laziness and somebody not wanting to tackle the issue and put some time into it. Coming up with excuses not to do it is again, just being lazy. Until then, we will suffer through the same old stuff till judgement day arrives. If I had time for it I would, like I have on other sites. But I just don't have the time anymore. Hell, I just finished reading the last 20 pages from when I was here last, suffereing though all those painfull Harrold posts. I just don't have the time to be here consistantly.

i thought this would not be a place i would go because of the pic forum. but, after ready some funny shit like "i get rapey and forceful" i have to visit!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1439518]Would have called the session off when there was no BBBJ. And sent her out the door with 100 baht.[/QUOTE]Yep, I'd rather just beat off for free than pay for a crappy BJ w / condom. Fortunately, I've not run across this problem yet, as I think most Thai girls like putting dick in their mouth (provided you practice good hygiene). It can't be worse than some of the stuff they eat off the street vendors

[QUOTE=RCA Knight;1409481]Hahaha . my fresh grounds .[/QUOTE]Just read yours now. Thanks for the tips re fresh hunting grounds.

I used to love this place and I mean love it. So this pm I visit the Biergarten. I thought I would try the Pro AM type like I typically favour and see what that held for me.

Take home a nice one 2nd best in the place. Get down to it she has a nice orgasm sweet clean pussy kinda yummy (I am going to stop providing those) start to fuck its good at least this opne stuck her mouth on my dick for a bit. I am hygienic clean and able.

Maybe 12 minutes of fucking and she is whining you take to long why don't you cum. Then stop to much. OH and I got to go. WTF?

Apparently I am hung like an elephant now, lucky me must have happened on the plane I did fall asleep maybe the Penis fairy visited me.

Then for shits and giggles we start talking this average girl has had an Englishman, Swiss and Australian man send her between 60 and 80 k per month for 6 years of her life? That my friend is a FORTUNE here. In North america Families live on that amount per month.

Who does this.

So she leaves I am pissed, just for fun I ask how much,"2000 Baht for less than 1 hour in the room and I did not even finish because of my elephantine penis. 1200 kicked to the fucking CURB. Should have been 500.

Where can I actually have great multiple rounds of sex?

Everything in this town has gone up a great deal.

IT used to be for 1000. 1500 hundred it was non stop shagging with a horny girl.

Please help me!

Looking for a wingman might as well chat seeing I can get laid properly. PM me for my digits.

Pinay Pounder

[QUOTE=Smoothy;1439531]How the hell did you not pay a bar fine for a Rainbow 4 girl? I've never had that.[/QUOTE]It was near 2 am, I waited for a bit and fought off a HUGE lady boy my sphincter was quivering.

I hope the discos contain some horny nurses, there is no one here and still the prices were sky high and literally there is no one here. Even the Tailors are asking for a fortune VOTE WITH YOUR BAHT boys this place is out of control.

PP

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder; 1439664]I used to love this place and I mean love it. So this pm I visit the Biergarten. I thought I would try the Pro AM type like I typically favour and see what that held for me.

Take home a nice one 2nd best in the place. Get down to it she has a nice orgasm sweet clean pussy kinda yummy (I am going to stop providing those) start to fuck its good at least this opne stuck her mouth on my dick for a bit. I am hygienic clean and able.

Maybe 12 minutes of fucking and she is whining you take to long why don't you cum. Then stop to much. OH and I got to go. WTF?

Apparently I am hung like an elephant now, lucky me must have happened on the plane I did fall asleep maybe the Penis fairy visited me.

Then for shits and giggles we start talking this average girl has had an Englishman, Swiss and Australian man send her between 60 and 80 k per month for 6 years of her life? That my friend is a FORTUNE here. In North america Families live on that amount per month.

Who does this.

So she leaves I am pissed, just for fun I ask how much,"2000 Baht for less than 1 hour in the room and I did not even finish because of my elephantine penis. 1200 kicked to the fucking CURB. Should have been 500.

Where can I actually have great multiple rounds of sex?

Everything in this town has gone up a great deal.

IT used to be for 1000. 1500 hundred it was non stop shagging with a horny girl.

Please help me!

Looking for a wingman might as well chat seeing I can get laid properly. PM me for my digits.

Pinay Pounder[/QUOTE]Welcome to the frustration that all us "old-timers" experience. About the only place to have a good time now is the oilies. Tulip, Mango, Snow White, and Cherry.

I am constantly amazed at what dudes will send these farmer's daughters and what they will pay them for 10-15 min of sex.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1439673]Welcome to the frustration that all us "old-timers" experience. About the only place to have a good time now is the oilies. Tulip, Mango, Snow White, and Cherry.

I am constantly amazed at what dudes will send these farmer's daughters and what they will pay them for 10-15 min of sex.[/QUOTE]Where are those places please

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1439558]The real issue is that this thread has no FAQ posting.

The same questions come up time after time. The long time thread squatters here get tired reading the same old requests and blame it on the poster for not doing their homework. Those who are tired of those same old questions are just as lazy for not putting energy into a community FAQ than those they accuse for not doing their homework.[/QUOTE]World Travel 69 is an ISG member who has put together very useful lists of info about certain cities. He lists well known brothels and massage parlors, gives addresses, prices typically paid, etc. He is a good model to emulate.

Most of the questions here are perfectly valid. However I believe there is such a thing as a bad question. Occasionally someone asks something so basic they show the person isn't willing to do any research at all.

I do see plenty of valid questions repeated every few months that aren't easy to google or RTFF for. One that keeps coming up is massage parlors near the airport. Another one is what places in Bangkok are open in the morning or afternoon. It would save a lot of people some time to give a FAQ for these.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1439664]Then for shits and giggles we start talking this average girl has had an Englishman, Swiss and Australian man send her between 60 and 80 k per month for 6 years of her life? That my friend is a FORTUNE here. In North america Families live on that amount per month.[/QUOTE]You need to know these girls exaggerate everything. They wish they were getting 60, 000-80, 000 per month. Some very beautiful girls indeed get that. Once I met a girl in beergarten who had a nice car and a condo. Her German bf supports her. He comes once a year for one month. This girl was average but horny. We made nice trips in her car. Apart from some dinner and sightseeing expenses I did not have to pay anything. A girl demanding 2000 for 30 minutes obviously does not have big generous sponsors.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1439559]Nana Plaza now has three go-go bars open for daytime action (from 1pm) with reduced alcohol prices. Cute girl standing in front of the plaza passing out these flyers but she didn't know if daytime BF and lady fees were reduced.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, what the flyer neglects to mention is that Hollywood has been shut down as it is being converted to Angel Witch 2, Obsessions is a Ladyboy bar and Lollipop is a mixed lady / ladyboy bar! So be careful of afternoon delights.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder; 1439509]1 round, it was a long one she enjoyed it and came several times, no more sex no sex in the am, it was fucking terrible.

I gave her 2000 and kicked her ass to the curb.

Today will be better!

So this pm I visit the Biergarten. I thought I would try the Pro AM type like I typically favour and see what that held for me.

Take home a nice one 2nd best in the place. Get down to it she has a nice orgasm.

PP[/QUOTE]I know, I know you can tell it's the real thing but for most of you out there who no longer believe in Santa Claus they are faking it so that they can make you feel like you are a stud and so that they can go home as soon as possible. Real Orgasms in these parts are rarer than sightings of the Abominable Snowman. If you get a few of these girls together in a social setting, bring up the subject of faking orgasms and how long a man goes and they will soon be rolling on the floor with laughter.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1439691]Where are those places please[/QUOTE]Mango- Go our Soi 24 exit of Emporium, cross Soi 24, in the subsoi.

Cherry- Suk Soi 24/1.

Snow White- 10 meter on the left Suk Soi 26.

Tulip- Underneath Thonglor Skytrain station.

Check out the forums on MPs for info.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1439713]You need to know these girls exaggerate everything. They wish they were getting 60, 000-80, 000 per month. Some very beautiful girls indeed get that. Once I met a girl in beergarten who had a nice car and a condo. Her German bf supports her. He comes once a year for one month. This girl was average but horny. We made nice trips in her car. Apart from some dinner and sightseeing expenses I did not have to pay anything. A girl demanding 2000 for 30 minutes obviously does not have big generous sponsors.[/QUOTE]Lots of very average girls are making lots of money from foolish guys overseas. The gals are pros.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1439747]Are you doubting this guy 's girl had multiple orgasmes. And refused multiple more in a morning session.[/QUOTE]

I am just amazed that she didn't tell him how big his penis was and that she preferred old guys to young guys and Farangs to Japanese. The only times these girls climax is when you transfer baht from your pocket to their hand. Thankfully we are not paying for them to climax but ourselves. If I can get the girl to laugh a few times I figure I have done my job.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1439713]Her German bf supports her. He comes once a year for one month.[/QUOTE]One would really have to be a first class MORON to be paying girls monthly allowances if you live overseas and thinking the girls will go out of the bar of stop fucking around.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1439880]I am just amazed that she didn't tell him how big his penis was and that she preferred old guys to young guys and Farangs to Japanese. The only times these girls climax is when you transfer baht from your pocket to their hand. Thankfully we are not paying for them to climax but ourselves.[/QUOTE]Newbies, read the above quote three times, and don't forget it!

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1439576]Not possible to get sick from being wet and turning the ac on yourself. You have to pick up or introduce the bug to your body someway. Colds / viruses just don't magically appear by chilling yourself after being a little wet.[/QUOTE]They do magically appear from hotel air con because of the fungus spores growing in the dirty filters.

Well my sunny disposition was not yet soiled so I napped and ventured forth into the world of sex for sale. Sat near the entrance of Nana and met a great new mate and chatted for hours watching the ladyboys and some attractive actual women wonder by. Damn there are some fricken smoking ladyboys.

Met a couple of women not plying their wares and ventured forth to a Disco as friends, some amazing dancers there.

Long story short had a freebie with a woman way over my typical weight limit for Asia and it was easily the best fucking I have had for Months, my pelvis is actually sore. I love married women no one really seems to be serving this Market segment I like to tend to it when I can.

This Thai lady fucked for at least 90 minutes funny how that works.

Off to Manila tomorrow where I rarely pay to dine at the Y and the wetness can be measured in gallons!

I wonder what tonight holds?

Pinay Pounder

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1439771]Lots of very average girls are making lots of money from foolish guys overseas. The gals are pros.[/QUOTE]I would debate that there area allot of Farangs that assuage their guilt for past indiscretions by supporting some "poor" LBFM. The lady I was referring to was not rocket scientist and I would not use the term Pro in any way shape or form.

I have had first hand accounts of dozens perhaps hundreds of men just within my chat circles that send these girls money. I can only guess they feel bad but WTF are they thinking. However its their money and on more than one occasion I have tapped that well for them just to maintain the seals on the pussy, use it or lose it!

Bore witness to a group last night partying and no doubt spending some sponsors cash on Tequilas and smokes at the bar where they used to work. If an obvious Bar girl is buying hard liquor rest assured its not her hard earned money being spent.

I could possibly see a fellow supporting a girl he met that was not in the P4P trade as he hoped to become engaged, but supporting a P4P playa, that is laughable, so yes newbies fall in love overpay if you have to here and then forgetabout her when you fly home to your mom or wife.

PP

Heard this is the best place for chicks in BKK so decided to give it a try.

It is tucked away at the back of some hold hotel and upstairs. The place looks like it just opened when I arrived (early afternoon) as it was all still dark.

The girls were in the fish tank. There must have been around 15 girls and only one did anal, which I was a bit surprised about since Thais where the ones willing to go the extra mile.

The girls do vary quite a lot, from tall, short, skinny, chubby. There was no one real standout. However as I was honey, I settled on a skinny girl with A cup tits.

I was guided to a small room with a tub and bench. There the soapy massage began. Usually it goes for 2 hours a session but I didn't have the time for obvious reasons (I wasn't alone).

She is quite petite she was quite funny seeing her slide up and down my chest with her tits. She gave me a BBBJ while in the tub. As soon as I was hard I indicated I wanted to start f*cking her. On with the rubber and away we went.

On the walls were old posters of white girls in little bikinis which was quite funny as you have nudity all around you and yet these girls in the poster had bikini on.

Finished off with CIM. She didn't swallow and spat it out.

Will return next time I'm in BKK.

CG

[QUOTE=Bad Brains;1439919]They do magically appear from hotel air con because of the fungus spores growing in the dirty filters.[/QUOTE]It must be a magical AC-unit that can turn a fungus spore into a cold virus!

this review is intended for first time visitors to bangkok who are visiting for the purpose of mongering. vets may not find anything new here but please feel free to add information or correct where i have made mistakes. as a first timer myself i write this in order to shed light on the monger scene for other first times and hopefully provide the kind of information i was looking for before i made my first trip.

bangkok:

the monger district in bangkok is nana along sukhumvit road from soi 2 where you will find anne's soapy, going down to asok where you will find soi cowboy. on soi 4 you will find nana plaza a three story complex of gogo bars and free lancers. you will also find freelancers across the street from nana plaza standing in front of the nana hotel sign and in its parking lot. i will use nana plaza as the center point. exiting nana plaza turn to your right and walk up to the corner, it's just a few paces. that will be sukhumvit cross the street and turn to your right and walk down the street, you will pass soi 7 on your left turning down soi 7 you will find beer garden on your left. here you can find free lancers both day and night. continuing down sukumvit you will next come to soi 7/1 on your left, going down this soi you will find eden club as well as dr. bj which has two establishments on both sides of the street, as well as other beer garden type establishments where you can find p4p. if you continue walking down sukhumvit you will come to asok road a major road crossing sukumvit. you want to cross to the other side of asok, you can either cross at the cross walk or there is a subway entrance and exit on both sides of the street and you can walk under asok. once you are on the other side of asok turn to your left, just a few paces up on your right you will find soi cowboy a narrow alley with gogo bars on both sides of the alley. along the walk from soi 4 going down to asok you will also find freelancers, especially late at night until the wee hours of the morning, you will find a great deal of them in front of and around the therme which is on sukhumvet before you get to asok. during the day time both sides of the sidewalk are filled with venders selling all kinds of clothing and other types of products they completely encompass the side walk. you will also find individuals with grotesquely disfigured and missing limbs grotesquely disfigured bodies and grotesque skin irritations begging for money.

leaving nana plaza turning to your right and going up to suhkumvit, its just a few paces and turning to your left go down to the next block that will be soi 2 turn left on soi 2 go down a few blocks, not many, you will find anne's soapy on the left had side across the street from majestic grand hotel.

if you leave nana plaza on soi 4 and turn left go down a few blocks and you will find soi 6 which runs parallel with sukhumvit turn left on soi 6 and follow it until it goes into what looks like pedestrian shopping center and you will find [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s bj bar on your right.

in front of nana plaza and going all the way down to soi 6 and beyond you will also find beer gardens and free lancers, both day and night.

the street are well marked with street signs that are in a variety of language and the soi number is on all of the street signs so navigation should be easy. i found this area to be safe and quite easy to navigate i walked the described areas at all hours of the day and into the wee hours of the night by myself and felt perfectly safe and believe it is walkable though for some it may be too much to walk.

airport:

i found the airport to be confusing and not well directed as far as signs go but manageable. i was fortunate that i met a former monger, now married to a thai, on my flight. who was spending his first night in nana and offered to let me ride with him in his pre-arranged pick up. i was told by several people including this individual that the best thing to do once you arrive in the airport is go up to the fourth level the departure level and pick up a taxi that has just dropped off a passenger and have them give you a ride, make sure you tell them to use the meter. there is transportation inside the airport at the arrivals section but they are expensive. there are also public taxis available as soon as you exit the airports that are more affordable, but the signs inside the airport directing you to them are not well marked. as a fist timer i also found the airport confusing and not well organized when departing but again manageable.

hotels:

nana hotel, i spent my first two nights in bangkok at nana hotel. i chose this hotel for one reason only, my flight was not supposed to arrive until 2:am it was my first time in bangkok i didn't know the area and i wanted to get a girl on the first night so i figured nana hotel was right in the heart of the action and even ray charles could find pussy there at that time of night. i was advised by many people not to stay there and i have to say they were right. i did not like nana hotel, the hotel staff were very grumpy and not friendly, they do not have free wifi you are allowed a free ½ hour a day and then you have to pay for it after that. i personally will never stay at nana hotel again, the only good thing i liked about nana hotel is it has a pretty good free breakfast buffet and the checkout time is not until 2pm. the other hotel i stayed at was majestic suites which is on sukhumvit on the corner of sukhumvit and soi 4, you exit the hotel turn to your left and walk five or so paces and you are on the corner of soi 4 turn left on soi 4 and right there will be nana plaza and nana hotel sign with freelancers. in the future i will always choose to stay at the majestic suites, it's cheaper more luxurious has free wifi and in just as good of a location as nana hotel.

nana plaza:

nana plaza is on soi 4 it is three stories of gogo bars, it is directly across the street from nana hotel and easy to find. you will find beer gardens in front of nana plaza and running down the length of soi 4 you will also find freelancers along soi 4 in front of the nana hotel sign in nana hotel parking lot and in nana plaza itself.

soi cowboy:

soi cowboy is a narrow short alley with gogo bars on both sides. it's near the corner of asok and sukhumvit. i was surprised at how small soi cowboy was, it's actually a narrow alley that runs little more than a short city block. i was told there are no freelancers on soi cowboy but did notice women walking around; don't know if they were really freelancers or gogo girls going to or from the gogo bars.

gogo bars:

i found many of the gogo bars to be fun and exciting places to be, many have nude dancers, susie wongs and long gun on soi cowboy and almost all of them have semi to completely naked stage shows which can get pretty explicit with girls going down on each other. some gogo bars cater more to the asian mongers and in many of these gogos prices were much higher and the girls did not seem to pay much attention to the western mongers like myself, but preferred the asian mongers.

personally i found many of the gogo girls to be hot and think the best looking girls can found in the gogo bars.

bj bars:

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s was the only bj bar that i visited, walked by both [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s and dr bjs several times, the way it works is all of the girls will sit out front of the establishment so as you can walk by and see all of the ladies they have available, that is the ones that are not currently blowing someone. personally i thought the looks of the ladies at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s and both of dr bjs places was the same but the prices were better at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s so i always chose to get my blow jobs there. the looks of the girls at the bj bars was in my opinion in the 6 to 7 or 8 range, not bad looking, cute enough to get a blow job from, but the better looking women are in the gogo bars. at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s once you have chosen a girl from outside you go inside and pay the attendant behind the desk and then the girl leads you up stairs, there is a room with small semi couches and curtains that she draws around you. you sit down she gets on her knees and blows you until you cum. if you want full service you just tell the girl and she will either mount you stand up and bend over or you can lay her down on the little sofa. one work of caution, thai food is very hot and spicy, don't take a girl right after she has been eating, her mouth will still have the spices and it will be like sticking your dick in a hot chili pepper.

anne's:

anne's soapy is on soi 2 you walk in go upstairs and momason will show you the fish bowl, a window where all of the girls are sitting behind. often there will be a certain theme of the day in they dress in sexy little outfits depicting the theme. on the first day i went there the theme must have been captain stubbing of the love boat because all of the girls were dressed in these sexy skimpy little ship's captain uniforms. you chose which girl you want she takes you into a room that has a large tub with a mat next to it. the two of you get naked hop in the tub she washes you down then you lay down on the mat. the two of you are both wet and soapy and she will slide her body all over you sit on you and wash you with her pussy, usually she blows you somewhere in this process and tries to make you cum, then the two of you dry off and climb on the massage table and have sex.

prices:

the bar fines i was paying at both nana plaza and soi cowboy was 600 bar fine and 2000 short time 3000 long time to the girl. at anne's soapy price is 2500 [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s price is 800 for a bj and 1200 for full service, i forget what the prices were at dr bjs but one establishment was more than the other and both were higher than [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. the beer gardens in front of nana plaza along soi 4 were charging the same bar fine as the gogo bars 600 and the girls were asking for the same price as the gogo girls 2000 short time and 3000 long time. the freelancers at beer garden on soi 7 i was getting for 1000 short time and did not have to pay a bar fine. freelancers that i picked up on soi 4 in front of the nana hotel sign and along sukhumvit i was paying 1000 short time. stopped into eden club once on soi 7/1 the girls come in and line up there is a line on the wall and the girls on one side of the line will do anal and girls on the other side of the line don't. can't remember what the prices were but the owner (who i was never sure if he was just trying to be joking with some of his comments or was trying to be a real asshole) said the girls only work as teams and you would have to take two. i felt the quality of women was equal in looks to the girls in the bj bars and i didn't want two (been there done that) only wanted one and i felt the price was two high so i never tried eden club.

services:

from my experience and in my opinion the thai girls love to fuck and fuck really, really good. bbbj daty were standard with every girl i was with and received these services from every girl i had, they also dfk. the gogo girls i felt were the best many were really into it and gave me a great fuck. the beer garden girls also did the same. many of the freelancers were good as well, however, i did notice a certain amount of professionalism and business orientation in there services.

money:

everything works in thai bhat, so you will have to exchange your money. there are money exchangers at the airport when you arrive and give a better rate than you will get at a usa airport. the nana hotel will also exchange your money at about the same rate as the airport exchanges. there are also exchanges all along sukhumvit from soi 2 all the way down to asok and they give a very good exchange rate, better than the airport and better than nana hotel. there are plenty of them and they will be easy to find, you should have no problem finding an exchange on sukhumvit that will give you a good rate.

language:

i had no problem communicating every girl i encountered, every girl i had, spoke good english, and just about everyone i dealt with could speak passible english. in my opinion english is the second language and i never had a problem communicating.

lady boys:

there are a few lady boy bars in both nana plaza and soi cowboy. there are lady boys standing in front of nana plaza and standing in front of the nana hotel sign. sometimes there are so many that they push the regular girls from in front of the nana hotel sign and off to the side of the parking lot. personally i had no problem identifying them, some i had to look harder but after about 60 seconds or so i could tell they were a lady boy. they may make a comment or two as you pass to go into nana plaza but i did not find them to be over aggressive and when asked they all admitted though some would try to be playful about it to being lady boys. (i was to find in pattaya that some will lie through their teeth about being a lady boy) personally i would rather see them have their own area away from nana and not be in the heterosexual monger area, this is one area where i would like to see separate but equal.

final thoughts:

i love bangkok, the vibe the energy the women, originally i had planned on checking out bangkok for a few day and then head down to pattaya for the remainder of my trip. e.

xperience bangkok and then mark it off the list and in the future spend all of my time in pattaya. but after being there i think i will always devote a few day to mongering in bangkok on all of my future trips to thailand.

(ps: i have spicer photos that i will share in a couple weeks. i am in rio right now and before i left i cleared anything to erotic off of my computer)

chris

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder; 1439929]Well my sunny disposition was not yet soiled so I napped and ventured forth into the world of sex for sale. Sat near the entrance of Nana and met a great new mate and chatted for hours watching the ladyboys and some attractive actual women wonder by. Damn there are some fricken smoking ladyboys.

Met a couple of women not plying their wares and ventured forth to a Disco as friends, some amazing dancers there.

Long story short had a freebie with a woman way over my typical weight limit for Asia and it was easily the best fucking I have had for Months, my pelvis is actually sore. I love married women no one really seems to be serving this Market segment I like to tend to it when I can.

This Thai lady fucked for at least 90 minutes funny how that works.

Off to Manila tomorrow where I rarely pay to dine at the Y and the wetness can be measured in gallons!

I wonder what tonight holds?

Pinay Pounder[/QUOTE]What disco did you hit?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1439906]One would really have to be a first class MORON to be paying girls monthly allowances if you live overseas and thinking the girls will go out of the bar of stop fucking around.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I have never even considered this, although I have been asked to support several ladies over the years (politely declining, of course). I did discover a few years ago that one of my friends was kind of supporting a lady. Well, he was sending her $400 per month. When I asked him why the fuck he was being such a dipshit, he explained it to me. Here is (roughly) his explanation.

One of the beautiful things about LOS is that ladies abound. There are so many girls: tall girls, short girls, chubby girls, skinny girls, dark-skinned, light-skinned, thick-legged, skinny-legged, round-assed, flat-assed, etc. Then there are expensive girls, cheap girls, those that are cheap on the first night and then get progressively more expensive, and those that start out expensive and then get cheaper as you go along. And then there are girls who will give you a great BBBJ, those who CIM, those who do anal, those who do whatever, and those who don't. The point is that you have to hit pussy after pussy trying them all out, and more often than not, there is something missing. You don't quite have the Aha-experience except on very few occasions. So when you do get that revelation, the inspirational experience, you want to repeat it. And then repeat again, etc. You just don't want to have to spend the money and energy bedding the losers again. Why would you if you have a superb girl already identified?

And then it is time to go home. And you know that once you leave, you will lose touch with the girl, and when you come back, you will need to sift through the entire haystack again to find the one needle in there. So you decide to pay the girl something small to keep her interested in you. The money is a way to keep her on a leash, but you know full well that she will continue to ply her trade. You do not expect her to become celibate on $400 per month (or even $10, 000 per month). All you expect is her to email you, and be ready for your return. When you do return to LOS, you let her know you are coming, and voila. She materializes at your hotel and you get that same fantastic sex that you remember from your last visit.

At least that was his theory. I tell you this because sometimes we tend to think that guys who support ladies are being irrational and stupid. But they (at least some of them) have a reason for this strange action, even though it is not a wise course of action.

So in reality, things did not work out according to his theory. He was paying her $400 per month, and then suddenly mama and papa got sick and she needed a little more money. So one month he sent her $600. That was good, but mama and papa are still in hospital, so the next month he sent her $800, and told her that was the last upped payment she will get. Ok. 3 months pass by and she gets her regular $400, but then she herself got sick and needed to go to hospital. $800 out the window.

Eventually he returned and expected to be greeted like a returning hero. He got some pretty good boinking on the first night, he tells me, but then it went south quickly. He wanted to screw lots of different women, but he had unwittingly cornered himself into a monogamous relationship. A monogamous relationship with a gogo dancer! She refused to let him see other girls, and he did not know what to do.

So he skyped me and asked me what the fuck he should do. I told him to ditch the girl and set his manhood free. Unfurl your libido and do what comes naturally: to fuck lots of mediocre women. Exactly what he was trying to avoid by paying this girl money each month.

I'm not claiming all the guys who support women are doing it for this reason, but this is one case. It was a mistake, as I told him at the time, and he now regrets ever having done that, so let's be clear: don't support the ladies from afar, unless you plan to actually marry the girl someday.

And as an aside, he told me that one night he was talking to one of his girl's friends who remarked that she was very impressed that he was sending her 30, 000 baht per month. He didn't say anything, but then asked his girl about it, and she sheepishly admitted that she had exaggerated to her girlfriend. So yes, these girls amplify what they are getting from sponsors because it boosts their reputation as a major money-getter.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1439576]Not possible to get sick from being wet and turning the ac on yourself. You have to pick up or introduce the bug to your body someway. Colds / viruses just don't magically appear by chilling yourself after being a little wet.[/QUOTE]True enough but there are numerous viruses in our body all the time but they cannot activate because our defense mechanisms take care of them but when we get wet / cold our resistance goes down a bit and the viruses can activate and you get sick. Just go to skytrain during rush hour and try to imagine how many bugs there are around and all the people holding same handles etc. Maybe should start wearing mask?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1440044]Agreed. I have never even considered this, although I have been asked to support several ladies over the years (politely declining, of course). I did discover a few years ago that one of my friends was kind of supporting a lady.[/QUOTE]Your story seems to tell that (horror horror, price police on alert!) It is better and cheaper to pay 5000 for a LT if and when you need a LT, than becoming a regular customer of your local WU branch.

Somehow that guy sent a huge amount of a few hundred bucks for a couple of LT's.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1440044]And then it is time to go home. And you know that once you leave, you will lose touch with the girl, and when you come back, you will need to sift through the entire haystack again to find the one needle in there. So you decide to pay the girl something small to keep her interested in you. The money is a way to keep her on a leash,[/QUOTE]Your Friend developped a completely Moronic approach to this whole thing and convinced himself it was "ok", probably because the BG told him so.

In any case, for every wise ISG member, there are about 25 dumbfucks that just don't know no better and can't invest the time to do some research. Well, too bad for them.

We expats love to get freebies from the sponsored girlfriends LOL

[quote=sxxxx; 1439918]i am just amazed that she didn't tell him how big his penis was and that she preferred old guys to young guys and farangs to japanese. the only times these girls climax is when you transfer baht from your pocket to their hand. thankfully we are not paying for them to climax but ourselves.

newbies, read the above quote three times, and don't forget it![/quote]none of us are totally immune to this stuff even if we feel we have been here much longer than should be legal. you walk down soi 4 and some girl calls out "handsome man" to you and a small part of you appreciates it even if you know it's just a business card she is delivering verbally. it's certainly better then her calling out "hey over the hill guy" or "try exercising some time" or "when was the last time you saw your own dick". so it pleases us. so does all that other stuff even when we should know better. we are human and we need our egos fed from time to time. that is why many of us are here. sure it's the sex but it's also the ego which shrivels up like a dried out grape back home where few of us turn many heads and often feel invisible to anyone under 40. so enjoy the faked orgasms like a puffed up peacock and the small well practiced compliments thrown your way like loose change but we just have to keep it in perspective and keep it real. don't follow alice down the rabbit hole or you may have trouble coming back out. i've seen that more than a few times.

[quote=drronin;1440090]none of us are totally immune to this stuff even if we feel we have been here much longer than should be legal. you walk down soi 4 and some girl calls out "handsome man" to you and a small part of you appreciates it even if you know it's just a business card she is delivering verbally. it's certainly better then her calling out "hey over the hill guy" or "try exercising some time" or "when was the last time you saw your own dick". so it pleases us. so does all that other stuff even when we should know better. we are human and we need our egos fed from time to time. that is why many of us are here. sure it's the sex but it's also the ego which shrivels up like a dried out grape back home where few of us turn many heads and often feel invisible to anyone under 40. so enjoy the faked orgasms like a puffed up peacock and the small well practiced compliments thrown your way like loose change but we just have to keep it in perspective and keep it real. don't follow alice down the rabbit hole or you may have trouble coming back out. i've seen that more than a few times.[/quote]you captured that well. i couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1440044].

The point is that you have to hit pussy after pussy trying them all out, and more often than not, there is something missing.[/QUOTE]Concisely put, a true fact that we all have to face all the time.

[quote]I'm not claiming all the guys who support women are doing it for this reason, but this is one case. It was a mistake, as I told him at the time, and he now regrets ever having done that, so let's be clear: don't support the ladies from afar, unless you plan to actually marry the girl someday.[/QUOTE]I don't see much wrong in supporting a working girl if the terms are reasonable under all aspects (keep things in control and be more in country than out) ; I do see much more risk for disaster in marrying one.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1440044]The point is that you have to hit pussy after pussy trying them all out, and more often than not, there is something missing. You don't quite have the Aha-experience except on very few occasions. So when you do get that revelation, the inspirational experience, you want to repeat it. And then repeat again, etc. You just don't want to have to spend the money and energy bedding the losers again. Why would you if you have a superb girl already identified?

And then it is time to go home. And you know that once you leave, you will lose touch with the girl, and when you come back, you will need to sift through the entire haystack again to find the one needle in there. So you decide to pay the girl something small to keep her interested in you. The money is a way to keep her on a leash, but you know full well that she will continue to ply her trade. You do not expect her to become celibate on $400 per month (or even $10, 000 per month). All you expect is her to email you, and be ready for your return. When you do return to LOS, you let her know you are coming, and voila. She materializes at your hotel and you get that same fantastic sex that you remember from your last visit.[/QUOTE]Wrong! You don't need a retainer fee in order to stay in touch with a working girl or to see her again when you return to Asia. Any smart quality pro girl will want to keep the links alive to make sure they see you again. It's to their advantage to have regular recurring customers or an 'American' BF as my BKK favorite refers to me. I hear from my favorite girls all the time on a regular basis. It averages out to 3 or 4 times a month per girl. Let's see: I have my favorite BKK Go Go girl, known her for 4. 5 years now; my Pattaya agency Go Go hottie, known her for 2. 5 years; and a sweet young AC bar girl, added her to my favorite's list this March. They all send me photos, text me to tell me how much they miss me, ask what I am up to, and ask when I am coming back. Yada, Yada, Yada. If any of them asked for a remittance I would break it off.

Just treat your favorite girls nice when you are with them, be generous, a good lover, and have a good time together. If the girl has quality and your relationship is better than her average then that's all that is needed. My problem is not losing sight of my girls; it is reserving enough time to meet new girls. I like a mix of old and new. I do not want to be tied down to just one girl no matter how great she is or how much I like her. That's what I call monogamy.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1440151]Wrong! You don't need a retainer fee in order to stay in touch with a working girl or to see her again when you return to Asia.

Just treat your favorite girls nice when you are with them, be generous, a good lover, and have a good time together. If the girl has quality and your relationship is better than her average then that's all that is needed. My problem is not losing sight of my girls; it is reserving enough time to meet new girls. I like a mix of old and new. I do not want to be tied down to just one girl no matter how great she is or how much I like her. That's what I call monogamy.[/QUOTE]Makes sense to pay them for their time with you, not for their "loyalty". Even more of that loyalty is uncontrollable.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1440151]Wrong! You don't need a retainer fee in order to stay in touch with a working girl or to see her again when you return to Asia. Any quality pro girl will want to keep the links alive to make sure they see you again. It's to their advantage to have regular recurring customers or an 'American' BF as my BKK favorite refers to me. I hear from my favorite girls all the time on a regular basis that averages out to a couple times a month. Let's see: I have my favorite BKK Go Go girl, known her for 4. 5 years now; my Pattaya agency Go Go hottie, known her for 2. 5 years; and a sweet young AC bar girl, added her to my favorite's list this March. They all send me photos, text me to tell me how much they miss me, ask what I am up to, and ask when I am coming back. Yada, Yada, Yada. If any of them asked for a remittance I would break it off.

Just treat your favorite girls nice when you are with them, be generous, a good lover, and have a good time together. If the girl has quality and your relationship is better than her average then that's all that is needed. My problem is not losing sight of my girls; it is reserving enough time to meet new girls. I like a mix of old and new. I do not want to be tied down to just one girl no matter how great she is or how much I like her. That's what I call monogamy.[/QUOTE]Correct, so in fact we're talking about two different things, one is supporting a ex-working girl within a supposedly monogamous relationshion in "BF" status, and another is keeping a friendly relationship as repeated customer. Is not that one is better than the other, to each one his own choice. The mess starts when there is mixup of things.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1440151]Wrong! You don't need a retainer fee in order to stay in touch with a working girl or to see her again when you return to Asia. Any smart quality pro girl will want to keep the links alive to make sure they see you again. It's to their advantage to have regular recurring customers or an 'American' BF as my BKK favorite refers to me.[/QUOTE]When you don't send them money they have something to look forward to on your next visit. If you are constantly sending them money (too much of a good thing) what do they have to look forward to then? You pouncing up and down on them for a few minutes?

[QUOTE=Chris Long;1440022]This review is intended for first time visitors to Bangkok who are visiting for the purpose of Mongering. Vets may not find anything new here but please feel free to add information or correct where I have made mistakes. As a first timer myself I write this in order to shed light on the monger scene for other first times and hopefully provide the kind of information I was looking for before I made my first trip.[/QUOTE]First things first, excellent report. I think this forum has plenty of great advice for 'vets' but you've provided a nice overview for first-timers who might be planning a trip to Bangkok. Some cute girls too in your pics.

Regarding Edens, it is certainly not the place to go for pretty young girls and it is not cheap either. Last two times I went there it cost 3600 baht but the prices may have risen now. However what you do get is a porn-style threesome with two girls who know how to please. I've been twice and first time I got lucky with two reasonably pretty youngish girls but second time I got two older girls. You get to have multiple pops with both girls for two hours and it's pretty much anything goes (especially if you pick girls from the anal side of the line). The standout moment for me was one girl giving me a blowjob while being fucked by the other with a strap-on. The bed is surrounded by mirrors, including one on the ceiling, so you get a great view. Pattaya has a similar place to Edens with an almost identical set-up (threesome, similar price, similar rooms 2 hours etc). It's called Devil's Den and the girls are prettier in my opinion (the girls can also be pre-booked on their website).

I know these places are pricy but I'd recommend them to anyone who hasn't tried a threesome before. Threesomes can be quite easy to come by in Asia but quite often it's not really a threesome at all, it's just fucking one girl after another. A trip to Edens or Devil's Den is guaranteed to live long in the memory.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1439691]Where are those places please[/QUOTE]This will help you find it.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSUTUDmN0VE[/url]

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1439691]Where are those places please[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/[/url]

Does not take long to find them.

All near Skytrain.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1440160]Makes sense to pay them for their time with you, not for their "loyalty". Even more of that loyalty is uncontrollable.[/QUOTE]One of them. I think #2. And I can only paraphrase goes something like you haven't lost you girl, you've only lost your turn <<< So someone help me out here.

[QUOTE=TConor;1440291]One of them. I think #2. And I can only paraphrase goes something like you haven't lost you girl, you've only lost your turn <<< So someone help me out here.[/QUOTE]A quick shower and she is as good as new!

Nice pics Chris. Especially one girl is truly beautiful with her exotics looks. Funny how Thai / Asians dismiss that completely.

[QUOTE=Chris Long;1440022]This review is intended for first time visitors to Bangkok who are visiting for the purpose of Mongering. Vets may not find anything new here but please feel free to add information or correct where I have made mistakes. As a first timer myself I write this in order to shed light on the monger scene for other first times and hopefully provide the kind of information I was looking for before I made my first trip.[/QUOTE]Chris, nice report. Did you notice the deaf girls still outside NEP in front of the Nana Hotel sign? They seems to come and go, but I have taken two of them in the past and they were both quite good in bed.

[QUOTE=WhipperWhill5;1440352]Chris, nice report. Did you notice the deaf girls still outside NEP in front of the Nana Hotel sign? They seems to come and go, but I have taken two of them in the past and they were both quite good in bed.[/QUOTE]Can be fun, but the Chewbacca noises can be a bit off putting.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1440127]I don't see much wrong in supporting a working girl if the terms are reasonable under all aspects (keep things in control and be more in country than out)[/QUOTE]The danger is even starting down the slippery path. The highway is littered with punters who thought they can keep [I]their [/I]situation in context.

Just don't. If you have just finish it.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Sunlover2; 1440414]The danger is even starting down the slippery path. The highway is littered with punters who thought they can keep [I]their [/I]situation in context.

Just don't. If you have just finish it.[/QUOTE]In principle, I agree with you, but not everyone can be happy with ho-hopping all the time. What one gets from such a "relationship" is a quite different experience, that could even be unique in a lifetime and very enjoable. Fine, as long one knows that (as everything in life), it will come with bumps and may end on good or bad terms at any time. Yes, I kept an affair going and just recently wrapped it up. Just to be clear, I've not been lied, scammed or deceived and I do not regret nothing of what I did. Money wise, I've spent, and see other people spending, much more, in a shorter time, for much less worthy things.

What I really do not understand is the path of marriage to a Thai (exception perhaps to a very whealty or well connected woman), just to get virtually zero advantage on immigration (a Kafkianesque, costly and humiliating process) , no tangible rights of any kind, while gaining obligations toward her family, assorted burdens, etc, etc.
Altough I understand the perspective changes when there is paternity involved... but that is seriously off-topic here.

To clear my pipeline I just wanted a quicky and went to BG. Instantly, when I walk inside their perimeters, I saw this stunning beauty in my sidevishon. Went to her, order myself one SML, and we hit it off. I have pics to follow but not now as I miss my transfercable. Great girl. 23, just waiting for her french BF to pic her up. He arrived when we left, I thought this will be commotion and trouble, but she chose me (he was an old and fat man).

She KY'ed herself in ass so I could slide my normaly sized member inside her. Wow she performed well and recieved a lot of norwegian sperm inside her ass (as I allready have 1 or 2 babysituations going I prefer assfucking as for now).

I rate her a 8 according to my "Hi So" BKK standards. For a BG standard I give her 9, 5 or 10. Wow

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1440022]This review is intended for first time visitors to Bangkok who are visiting for the purpose of Mongering. Vets may not find anything new here but please feel free to add information or correct where I have made mistakes. As a first timer myself I write this in order to shed light on the monger scene for other first times and hopefully provide the kind of information I was looking for before I made my first trip.

I have read only your views in how you review BKK in the lower Sukhumvit area. I give you creds up but maby a bit confusing for firsttimers when you start you left and right and right or left from Nana, hehe (only minor detail).

You did good job and thisbis all what the forum is about. Maby you get some "know it alls" trying to educate you and probably tell you pay to much as prises have been rising since 1970, hehe.

Summerising short: BKK extremely cheap for decent pussy, drinks and living also very cheap. But if you are (and I guess you are not) a cheapskate nothing makes you happy pappy.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1440431]What I really do not understand is the path of marriage to a Thai (exception perhaps to a very whealty or well connected woman) , just to get virtually zero advantage on immigration (a Kafkianesque, costly and humiliating process) , no tangible rights of any kind, while gaining obligations toward her family, assorted burdens, etc, etc.

Altough I understand the perspective changes when there is paternity involved. But that is seriously off-topic here.[/QUOTE]Marcos, you make an excellent point here. In most places, when you marry a local and the marriage is legit, you get a pretty easy path to citizenship. Not here. No way. They just don't want foreigners becoming citizens. Very xenophobic at certain levels of society here.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1440527]Very xenophobic at certain levels of society here.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that.

Just to be sure I google searched and it appears that the essence of xenophobia is:

'irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange'

'fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners'

'unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange'

I believe that Thailand is the only country that has never been occupied by a foreign country and the Thais are very patriotic people. In no other country have I heard the name of the country mentioned as often as the Thais' do when saying 'Thai lady'. Everything is Thai lady this and Thai lady that and even spoken by men. After all if you are in Thailand there are effectively no other ladies except Thai ladies. They feel they are somehow special.

I see no evidence of 'fear' or 'hatred' as mentioned in the definitions. I think the Thais just don't value cultural diversity as western nations do. They seem to prefer their own level of cultural preservation.

They don't seem to feel 'graced' by the falang presence (other than liking the cash) but instead almost seem to be saying 'hey, just because you left your own country for whatever reason and chose to expatriate fine, you can stay but you're not doing us any favors and if you want to go home then that's OK with us too'

Nothing irrational about that. Just look at many of the expats in BKK (especially lower Suk). When I'm in BKK I barely choose to engage with them either.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1440353]Rainbow 1 observation.

That small cocktail waitress gets more action than many of the girls on stage me thinks. 8 visits and I saw her get barfined 2 times. Not high on personality but I guess guys just like her looks. Hard to tell what size tits she has, if any at all. LOL.[/QUOTE]Is her name nana (yes) and a little on the plump side? If thats the one, then she has natural B size tits but a lousy fuck.

[QUOTE=OldLoad; 1440261][url]Http://www.snowwhitemassage.com/[/url]

Does not take long to find them.

All near Skytrain.[/QUOTE][url]Http://snowwhitesoi26.com/[/url]

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[url]http://cherrymassagebkk.com/[/url]

But why don't you take you time to read a little bit:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1421-Bangkok-Massage-Parlors-Except-TULIP-and-ANNIES[/url]

!

After all, that is what the forum is all about. Seek and you will find. Read and you gain knowledge. And then write posts about it.

[quote=rjsss212; 1440549]hmmm, i'm not so sure about that.

just to be sure i google searched and it appears that the essence of xenophobia is:

'irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange'

'fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners'

'unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange'

i believe that thailand is the only country that has never been occupied by a foreign country and the thais are very patriotic people. in no other country have i heard the name of the country mentioned as often as the thais' do when saying 'thai lady'. everything is thai lady this and thai lady that and even spoken by men. after all if you are in thailand there are effectively no other ladies except thai ladies. they feel they are somehow special.

i see no evidence of 'fear' or 'hatred' as mentioned in the definitions. i think the thais just don't value cultural diversity as western nations do. they seem to prefer their own level of cultural preservation.

they don't seem to feel 'graced' by the falang presence (other than liking the cash) but instead almost seem to be saying 'hey, just because you left your own country for whatever reason and chose to expatriate fine, you can stay but you're not doing us any favors and if you want to go home then that's ok with us too'

nothing irrational about that. just look at many of the expats in bkk (especially lower suk). when i'm in bkk i barely choose to engage with them either.[/quote]i agree, i don't really find these people xenophobic at all, they enjoy western music, food, and movies. a gal i had lunch with said that 20 years ago most normal thai girls wouldn't consider dating foreigners, fearing their peers would think they were a working girl, of course times are changing now, but i can't find that necessarily an irrational fear from their standpoint.

btw, japan occupied thailand in ww2

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1440549]They don't seem to feel 'graced' by the falang presence (other than liking the cash) but instead almost seem to be saying 'hey, just because you left your own country for whatever reason and chose to expatriate fine, you can stay but you're not doing us any favors and if you want to go home then that's OK with us too'[/QUOTE]It is not even "You can stay". Is it "You can stay under the provisions of illogical, complicated and inconsistently issued Visa types, which requirements and expirations often change for the worst, accept our absurd discriminating laws that prohibit foreigners from owning land or real estate, hold majority in a company, work except as an employee where 4 Thais for each foreigner are employed, be excluded from many types of work, accept to be a 2nd class person in all and any issue, example a legal process, be happy with the widespread corruption and injustice". And if one is stupid and stubborn enough to take the path of permanent residence (that does NOT automatically entitles to a work permit), or citizenship, (that is currently stalled since 7 like years), be prepared to more humiliation and to renounce your citizenship.

Thailand is one of the most racist, xenophobic, discriminating and ignorant countries of the world. That being said, I personally kind of like to hangout here. It is also enjoying a nice weather right now.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1440527]In most places, when you marry a local and the marriage is legit, you get a pretty easy path to citizenship. Not here. No way. They just don't want foreigners becoming citizens.[/QUOTE]Can you blame them? Surrounded by countries all having been subject to colonial rule, the Thai maintained their Kingdom. They know what they're doing. Xenophobia? No. For that, see Isreal.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1440686]It is not even "You can stay". Is it "You can stay under the provisions of illogical, complicated and inconsistently issued Visa types, which requirements and expirations often change for the worst, accept our absurd discriminating laws that prohibit foreigners from owning land or real estate, hold majority in a company, work except as an employee where 4 Thais for each foreigner are employed, be excluded from many types of work, accept to be a 2nd class person in all and any issue, example a legal process, be happy with the widespread corruption and injustice". And if one is stupid and stubborn enough to take the path of permanent residence (that does NOT automatically entitles to a work permit) , or citizenship, (that is currently stalled since 7 like years) , be prepared to more humiliation and to renounce your citizenship.

Thailand is one of the most racist, xenophobic, discriminating and ignorant countries of the world. That being said, I personally kind of like to hangout here. It is also enjoying a nice weather right now.[/QUOTE]I second your report Marcos. The weather is nice and pussy cheap (or free). What more can a man ask for. Welcome to pussyparadise (along with Makati ofcourse).

[QUOTE=Marcos;1440431]In principle, I agree with you, but not everyone can be happy with ho-hopping all the time. What one gets from such a "relationship" is a quite different experience, <snip> as long one knows that (as everything in life), it will come with bumps and may end on good or bad terms at any time.[/QUOTE]Is there anyone with any length of time here who hasn't read already the Stephen Leather books, starting with Private Dancer?

[QUOTE=Harold444;1440737]So what's the downside of marrying bargirls. I just may have to marry my little dictator. LOL. She says she holding my timeslot open for barfining. LOL. If I marry her I'm sure i'll get a better time.[/QUOTE]What kind of medication do you use? Not a personal attack, I am only very curious.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1440737]So what's the downside of marrying bargirls.[/QUOTE]Everythng.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1440737]She says she holding my timeslot open for barfining. LOL. If I marry her I'm sure i'll get a better time.[/QUOTE]Good idea. You should marry her quick and scoop her back to the USA I foresee countless years of trouble free wedded bliss ahead for both of you. But I hope this does not curtail your invaluable contributions to this forum.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1440726]Is there anyone with any length of time here who hasn't read already the Stephen Leather books, starting with Private Dancer?[/QUOTE]If not I strongly urge people to read his books and "private dancer" is the perfect introduction. Another of his books I really enjoyed was "Bangkok bob and the missing Mormon". Final recommendation is "The Queen of Patpong" by Timothy Hallinan. Don't even consider "Burnt out in Bangkok" by Tom moon Mullins, it's one of the worst books I have ever read. Normally I pass books on for others to read, this one went straight in the bin!

Regards,

BJ

I went to Mercury in Nana (for those who don't know where it is take the escalator on the right and it is immediately on the right) about four weeks ago and although didn't BF I did talk to a nice lady (No. 69) who ticked all the boxes as far as attitude is concerned. I was there with a friend of mine and after interviewing three ladies he settled on the last one. Anyway we both went back there last night, me with the intention of BF'ing 69. Now comes the funny part. Unusually for a Thai girl she didn't remember us and when we sat down 69 came across and jumped on my friends lap. This made my friend feel very awkward and made me laugh a lot. He protested to her that she should be sitting on my lap to which I responded "mai pen rai".

As it later transpired things turned out good for both of us. After 5 minutes a lovely looking young thing came and sat next to me. We exchanged the usual go-go bar pleasantries, had a couple of drinks and she went up to do her dance stint. At this point my friend asked if I minded him BF'ing number 69, I knew he felt awkward and at the same time could tell by the look in his eyes he was anticipating a good time with her. I respect the fact he was basically asking my permission so assured him I was fine with it. When the girls came down from dancing my friend jumped straight in to arrange the BF. This prompted the lady sat with me to approach the subject. I decided to see if an initial reluctance to commit to a BF might sharpen her interest and it had the desired effect.

I established some ground rules, without making it sound like a stiff business negotiation, along the lines of how long she stayed, DATY, kissing, BBBJ. What I do is not to just "machine gun" questions at the girls but intersperse them with small talk and some humour, if and when possible. So just before 12 we were making the 5 minute taxi ride to my place. She doesn't have an exuberant personality so she was understandably reserved at first but after making her feel relaxed she soon got into the swing of it. The sex was very good and she accepted whichever position I asked for. I especially like the girl on her side with the top leg hitched up towards her chest and she took it like a champ.

Score system. This based on my own opinion and NOT open to anyone else's rating system.

ID: No. 8, name withheld by request.

Age: 23, or so she told me.

Face: 8/10 IMO very pretty appearance even out of the deceiving lighting of the bar.

Body: 7/10 a bit more full bodied than I normally go for.

Ass: 7/10 bigger than I like but still had a nice shape to it.

Legs: 8/10 very nice with thin calf's and wholesome thighs.

Tits: 7/10 C cups but a bit spread out, nice nipples though.

Pussy: 9/10 looked very nice, was tight and shaved.

BBBJ: 8/10 Enthusiastic but no DT. Good vigorous action and was happy to carry on as long as I asked for.

A+: Made it clear this was not being offered. I didn't ask in the bar as it's not really my thing.

Enthusiasm: 8/10 The first time is always different to other times if you decide to repeat.

Clock watching: Not at all.

Blemishes: She has a slight abrasion on her right shoulder due to a bike accident but noting that put me off.

Satisfaction: 8/10 Went to sleep smiling.

WIR: Already planning on it.

I find the attitudes of girls in the smaller bars tends to be better than those of the self perceived super stars who work in the bigger go-go's. A larger quantity of girls attracts more customers which means more BF's. This does not always equate to good service or attitude. There are some lookers in Mercury with some not so hot and a sprinkling of young things too. I would recommend anyone who has not visited this place to give it a try. You may or may not find something to tempt you but you will probably find an enthusiastic companion for ST.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1440662]BTW, Japan occupied Thailand in WW2[/QUOTE]And now Japan (ese) occupy NEP and SC!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1440701]Can you blame them? Surrounded by countries all having been subject to colonial rule, the Thai maintained their Kingdom. They know what they're doing. Xenophobia? No. For that, see Isreal.[/QUOTE]Sure I can blame them. The countries that were colonized (not the place to get into a discussion about why Thailand was not) are rapidly catching up with Thailand and might surpass them due to the ease of doing business and the welcome mat being sat out for foreign businesses and investment, ease of visas, etc. See Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, and Singapore for starters. Nope, reason is because being truly open requieres a bit more transparency than they are willing to offer here. The "old ways" of doing business just won't cut it.

ASEAN in 2015 will be the real kicker. Read most commentary (by Thais nonetheless) and they will tell you they are not prepared.

BTW, How long have you lived and worked in Thailand?

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1440549]Hmmm, I'm not so sure about that.

Just to be sure I google searched and it appears that the essence of xenophobia is:

'irrational or unreasoned fear of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange'

'fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners'

'unreasonably fearful of or hating anyone or anything foreign or strange'

I believe that Thailand is the only country that has never been occupied by a foreign country and the Thais are very patriotic people. In no other country have I heard the name of the country mentioned as often as the Thais' do when saying 'Thai lady'. Everything is Thai lady this and Thai lady that and even spoken by men. After all if you are in Thailand there are effectively no other ladies except Thai ladies. They feel they are somehow special.

I see no evidence of 'fear' or 'hatred' as mentioned in the definitions. I think the Thais just don't value cultural diversity as western nations do. They seem to prefer their own level of cultural preservation.

They don't seem to feel 'graced' by the falang presence (other than liking the cash) but instead almost seem to be saying 'hey, just because you left your own country for whatever reason and chose to expatriate fine, you can stay but you're not doing us any favors and if you want to go home then that's OK with us too'

Nothing irrational about that. Just look at many of the expats in BKK (especially lower Suk). When I'm in BKK I barely choose to engage with them either.[/QUOTE]Try running a business here. Yes, the definition fits. 100. One of the main clues is the work "farang." In your country do you refer to every person that looks unlike you with a word that is not really nice? Probably some do, but I bet it is not 95% like we see here.

Special? I would say they tend to feel superior, well as I said in my original posting, some levels of society.

I find the foreign educated Thais who speak multiple languages to be wonderful, and rarely will you hear the word "farang" come out of their mouths. There are plenty of delightful open minded Thais, but they are in the minority. Foreigners are "tolerated" and always have been. Living here, one must accept that. If you cannot accept it and deal with it, then Thailand is not the place for you.

I think you would be very hard pressed to find many foreigners who have lived here for a decade or more, worked, and speak the language well to agree that Thais are not racist and xenophobic. The longer one is here, the more apparent it becomes, and I think the sentiment is growing not lessening.

If they were not so xenophobic there would be a clear path to citizenship.

Cultural preservation? Have you seen how many older structures have been torn down in BKK to make room for high rise condos?

I'll stick by my original statement.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1440726]Is there anyone with any length of time here who hasn't read already the Stephen Leather books, starting with Private Dancer?[/QUOTE]Books can give some entertrainment and teaching. But I find that my own life gives me even more anyway.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1440903]I find the foreign educated Thais who speak multiple languages to be wonderful, and rarely will you hear the word "farang" come out of their mouths. There are plenty of delightful open minded Thais, but they are in the minority. Foreigners are "tolerated" and always have been. Living here, one must accept that. If you cannot accept it and deal with it, then Thailand is not the place for you.[/QUOTE]I give thumbs up here. In my regular fleet of girls I have thaibeauties educated in US, Swiss and UK (also in this short BKK stopover I learned to know one halfbreed educated "norwegian / thai" girl). As a serious mongerer I also like to hang out with educated personell at times. I enjoy the mix from low class 9, 5 BG ladies to rich bitches met at Demo and its like.

I will be soon in BKK (arriving the 7th July). Does anyone knows a couple who like to welcome men or any swinging club in BKK?

If you are such a couple, do not hesitate.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1440062]True enough but there are numerous viruses in our body all the time but they cannot activate because our defense mechanisms take care of them but when we get wet / cold our resistance goes down a bit and the viruses can activate and you get sick. Just go to skytrain during rush hour and try to imagine how many bugs there are around and all the people holding same handles etc. Maybe should start wearing mask?[/QUOTE]I think what you mean by activate, is incubate. The virus either incubates in your body or is killed off, nothing in between.

It is true you can accelerate the incubation period by driving your immune defenses down, getting wet and shivering in front of an AC, but too many people get lost and think the AC caused it. FALSE. The AC only got in the way of your defense mechanism to bring it to the fore front sooner.

Fact is, in this hobby, people drive their immunity down by boozing it up which is probably much more prevalent than than any "being wet / AC causing it" hogwash.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1440897]Sure I can blame them.

BTW, How long have you lived and worked in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Work? What's that?

Eventually, if you spend enough time living in Thailand you'll understand that different countries societies cultures have different ways. Whether you appreciate the differences or not is your problem. We can be well glad things aren't the same everywhere. How boring would that be.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1440726]Is there anyone with any length of time here who hasn't read already the Stephen Leather books, starting with Private Dancer?[/QUOTE]Been here a decade and have not read any books from that dude. Don't see the point and don't really like Fiction books anyhow.

Who needs to visit a Dr, lots of them on the web. Thanks Drs!

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1440549]I believe that Thailand is the only country that has never been occupied by a foreign country and the Thais are very patriotic people.[/QUOTE]Don't be so sure. During WW2, Japan invaded Thailand from the south and Thais lasted all but a few hours.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_invasion_of_Thailand[/url]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1440903]Try running a business here. Yes, the definition fits. 100. One of the main clues is the work "farang." In your country do you refer to every person that looks unlike you with a word that is not really nice? Probably some do, but I bet it is not 95% like we see here.[/quote]I don't really agree with you here.

Many of my staff refer to Foreigners as "Farangs" but without being condescending or disrespectful. What would you prefer they say? That they call us by our Countries? (French, German, American?) well the fact of the matter is, they can't tell the difference.

Farangs are usually People with European Ancestry, They call the Japanese "Yippuns", the Indians "India" and Africans "Dam Farang".

[quote]Special? I would say they tend to feel superior, well as I said in my original posting, some levels of society.[/quote]I lived in Austria, and I can tell you the Viennese are far far worse than the Thais. Thais indeed consider themselves to be Cleverer than their asian counterparts.

[quote]Foreigners are "tolerated" and always have been. Living here, one must accept that. If you cannot accept it and deal with it, then Thailand is not the place for you.[/quote]I have lived outside of my country (for work) for 16 years and I can tell you what you said above can apply to all the countries I have been working in. It's not exclusive to Thailand.

[quote]I think you would be very hard pressed to find many foreigners who have lived here for a decade or more, worked, and speak the language well to agree that Thais are not racist and xenophobic. The longer one is here, the more apparent it becomes, and I think the sentiment is growing not lessening.[/QUOTE]Ok, I fit that Foreigner profile but I can assure you thais are not Racist, not in the slightest. They are Xenophobic, yes but they usually discriminate by color and social status, not race.

Thais from the Upper Echelon despise the Tanned people from Villages and Farms whom they call "monkeys" and are pissed off these guys can even vote.

Life is still very good in this country, let's enjoy it while it lasts.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1440972]I have lived outside of my country (for work) for 16 years and I can tell you what you said above can apply to all the countries I have been working in. It's not exclusive to Thailand.[/QUOTE]Absolutely RIGHT ON THE MARK!

Over the past 40 years I've lived and worked in multiple Asian countries. It's the same everywhere. Ever been to Japan to work?

Thais are not raciest but very occupied by social standards. Have a few girls considering themself to be HISO girls. They are classy, beauties, work out a lot and have social security often with great paywell work. OMG they talk bad about girls we usually use for monger purposes. They name them lowclass people, prostitutes (even if I not tell them I make use of this segment of girls myself) and lazy crowd (not willing to work other than spreading legs and use some yabayaba).

But I am happy with my asian history as I do great wirh all in a nice mix from lower Beergarden standards to hi more Demo lookalikegirls.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1440913]Books can give some entertrainment and teaching. But I find that my own life gives me even more anyway.[/QUOTE]As they do for everyone, even the illiterate.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1440972]Many of my staff refer to Foreigners as "Farangs" but without being condescending or disrespectful. What would you prefer they say? That they call us by our Countries? (French, German, American?) well the fact of the matter is, they can't tell the difference.

I have lived outside of my country (for work) for 16 years and I can tell you what you said above can apply to all the countries I have been working in. It's not exclusive to Thailand.

Lasts.[/QUOTE]I hear you. 28 years outside my own country, most of them in Asia and I'm still a "foreigner". Personally I hate the term, a much better term would be Non Thai or Non Chinese etc.

Or maybe European, Caucasian. Anyway foreigner is marginally better I suppose than "alien" which according to some immigration forms is what we are.

I lived in HK for 10 years you would think the tailor touts on Nathan Road would tire of asking me every day if I wanted a nice suit. But no." I'm white so I must be a tourist.

Same all over Asia. I'm white so I must be a visitor.

I'm often asked by Filipinas "why are you working outside your own country. Your not Chinese so why you working in China. I politely explain that just as there are 10, 000, 000 Filipinos working outside there own country, I'm doing the same. Blank looks abound.

[QUOTE=Rye007; 1437613]What does paying the fee have to do with anything. I have in the past.

I've gone over several pages but have not found good detailed posting as there used to be in the past.[/QUOTE]Paying a fee is about recognizing that there is no such thing as a free lunch, unless one wants to steal it. I take you at your word that you have paid the fee in the past. In which case, with three posts in your history, you've been a lurker par excellence!

The ISG fora are a found of info and somebody's gone to great lengths to make it work and make it available to all of us. If you can afford to monger, all else being equal, you ought to be able to pay for the use of the forum.

As far as detailed info is concerned, the acronym RTFF. Read the frigging forum. Is often used here, and for good reason. IMHO, the Thailand / Singapore / Macau fora have some of the most detailed info, so much so that one barely needs to ask / post any questions. Your inability to glean info is because you did not RTFF sufficiently, not because of the quality of info available.

And BTW, as an aside, popping in to the forum two days before a summer vacation, as some do, once a year is a recipe for failure.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1441152]I'm often asked by Filipinas "why are you working outside your own country. Your not Chinese so why you working in China. I politely explain that just as there are 10, 000, 000 Filipinos working outside there own country, I'm doing the same. Blank looks abound.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Desperate poor Filipinos overseas doing drudge work, you're doing the same. Blank look?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1440972]I can assure you thais are not Racist, not in the slightest. They are Xenophobic, yes but they usually discriminate by color and social status, not race.[/quote]Discriminate by color = racism in its purest expression. Discriminate by social class = classism, that is a not much more acceptable variaton of the above,

[quote]Thais from the Upper Echelon despise the Tanned people from Villages and Farms whom they call "monkeys" and are pissed off these guys can even vote.[/QUOTE]So what are they in the end? Integration and same opportunities supporters, not for sure.

Note: per forum rules we cannot discuss any race-related issues. We are all borderline to an Admin warning.

I am a bit like our friend Skogis (not in the same clas though) that I like to meet girls at the bars rather than the gogos.

I have picked up Spasso (my old fav, but I think too expensive now) , CM2, Q Bar, Insomnia, Climax, Bossy etc etc.

A couple of weeks ago, I hit Levels. Great club and nice vibe about the place.

After a couple of rounds, walked up to 2 girls. One hottie in a tight purple dress (looked to be 172 cm atleast) , really fair and hot body and another girl in a black cock-tail. Chit-chat, got them a few drinks, got comfortable, dancing, etc and told the purple one 'let's go'. We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.

Went to the hotel. Great round one. She was willing and giving with equally goodround 2 in the morning. The sex was as good as I have had. Extremely adventurous. She is from the North (not Isaan) but she said that she was from some place near there in the mountains. Her father had a business with tractors etc and she was studying business on Sundays at Bangkok. Not as tall as she looked since she was wearing 3 inch heels.

I sent her off with 4000 since I had a meeting and arranged to meet her for lunch at Paragon. Took her for a nice lunch (covered by company) and some shopping. She came in a lemon green dress and was pretty well ogled by the guys there. Figure to die for.

Now, I plan to meet her again. Just wanted some advice. I am in BKK again soon and she keeps messaging to meet me.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).

Pros.

- Did not ask me for money although her friend asked me to pay for her.

- Has a simple phone (not a smart phone)

- Dressed decently.

- When we met at Starbucks, she was reading a book rather than chatting with BF's on a smart phone.

Cons.

- Came home with me on the first nite without too much hassle. I am 40, earning well, reasonable shape and looks, dress and smell good but no Tom Cruise.

- How can girl sustain herself in Bangkok without a job and with studies on Sunday?

What is your opinion on this girl? Obviously, I don't mind even if she is P4P since she is super hot and willing to please. But I would treat her a lot differently if she was not.

I am going to bang her again soon but a bit confused. I am an experienced monger but feeling a bit confused by this one.

McM.

P. S. Sorry but I don't take photos.

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1441275]I like to meet girls at the bars rather than the gogos.,.I have picked up Spasso (my old fav, but I think too expensive now) , CM2, Q Bar, Insomnia, Climax, Bossy etc etc.,.One hottie in a tight purple dress (looked to be 172 cm atleast).,.told the purple one 'let's go'. her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.[/QUOTE]I've been around these joints a lot, albeit several years ago, and I've had similar experiences. In fact, the old routine of the friend doing the ask is nothing new. It serves to do exactly what happened to you: make the whole situation ambiguous, so you don't know if you are in a P4P situation.

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1441275].,.I sent her off with 4000.[/QUOTE]You are obviously a generous man (watch out, you may get flamed by the cheap charlies on this forum. Just ignore them). This is important.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]Now, I plan to meet her again. Just wanted some advice. I am in BKK again soon and she keeps messaging to meet me.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).[/QUOTE]No question she is in the game, although I doubt she thinks she's in the game. Joints like Spasso, Bossy, Spicey, Climax, etc. Are not frequented by wholesome girls who are just out for some clean fun. They want the sex with the foreigners, and they want the money too. So it is a mixed bag. I've been in perhaps a dozen such situations, two of which elevated into something semi-serious before I broke them off. This definitely has the potential to spin into a clingy situation, if you are not careful. Although perhaps that's what you want. No judgment.

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1441275]I am going to bang her again soon but a bit confused. I am an experienced monger but feeling a bit confused by this one.[/QUOTE]I'm about your age too, and probably in the same kind of socioeconomic situation as you, and probably less good looking than you, so I can somewhat relate. My honest evaluation of this girl is that she is looking for a boyfriend who will support her. She's also looking for someone who will look good to her friends, and you presumably fit that bill, since she was with her friends when she took off with you. Put all that together, and you can expect to pay for her shopping, dinners, spending money, and a brand-spanking new smart phone (hey, she obviously needs one). In return, you will get excellent sex and the true privilege of getting skunk eye from every guy who ever sees you with that gorgeous beauty clung to your arm.

I think you can also expect to get some emotional pressure. This one sounds like she likes you, and it sounds like a little bit of courtship going on, which is a dangerous place to be for a monger. If you are 'confused by this one', it means she's getting under your skin, and that probably feels pretty good right about now. Perhaps you need to think about what this is getting you. Is that thrill purely sexual, or is it massaging your ego too? Is it giving you a sense that you are not 40 years old now, but more like in your early 30s? Is it giving you some escapism from a dull life? Whatever the case, my only serious advice is this:

[b]If you have family commitments back home that you are not willing to break, you need to stop and think about this. [/b]

Kids? Wife? GF? If they are not expendable, then this might not be what you want to do, because it could very well get ugly. And if you decide this won't be a long term relationship, you need to tell her now, before things get any deeper. It will only get harder to break it off with her as time goes by, so just stop and think about whether you are ready for this. I know you want to walk around the Paragon with her on your arm, and you want to go back to the hotel with this sexy little thing and share bubble baths with her and pretend she is your girlfriend, but the fantasy will end, and when it does, you will have to decide whether you want to keep her long term or ditch her then.

On the other hand, if that is not a concern, and you have the money to burn, then go for it. Such relationships can be thrilling and very satisfying, and definitely waaaaay better than your regular gogo girl ho-hum fare in BKK. I've been in four or five (two from nightclubs, the others from other situations in LOS) , and they have all ended with a tinge of pain, but with positive memories overall.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1440982]Absolutely RIGHT ON THE MARK!

Over the past 40 years I've lived and worked in multiple Asian countries. It's the same everywhere. Ever been to Japan to work?[/QUOTE]Absolutely, no one can compare (negatively that is) to the Japs. Xenophobic, racist, bigots. Truly Hitler's eastern evil twins. Thais are angels by comparison.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]I am a bit like our friend Skogis (not in the same clas though) that I like to meet girls at the bars rather than the gogos.

I have picked up Spasso (my old fav, but I think too expensive now) , CM2, Q Bar, Insomnia, Climax, Bossy etc etc.

A couple of weeks ago, I hit Levels. Great club and nice vibe about the place.

After a couple of rounds, walked up to 2 girls. One hottie in a tight purple dress (looked to be 172 cm atleast) , really fair and hot body and another girl in a black cock-tail. Chit-chat, got them a few drinks, got comfortable, dancing, etc and told the purple one 'let's go'. We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.

Went to the hotel. Great round one. She was willing and giving with equally goodround 2 in the morning. The sex was as good as I have had. Extremely adventurous. She is from the North (not Isaan) but she said that she was from some place near there in the mountains. Her father had a business with tractors etc and she was studying business on Sundays at Bangkok. Not as tall as she looked since she was wearing 3 inch heels.

I sent her off with 4000 since I had a meeting and arranged to meet her for lunch at Paragon. Took her for a nice lunch (covered by company) and some shopping. She came in a lemon green dress and was pretty well ogled by the guys there. Figure to die for.

Now, I plan to meet her again. Just wanted some advice. I am in BKK again soon and she keeps messaging to meet me.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).

Pros.

- Did not ask me for money although her friend asked me to pay for her.

- Has a simple phone (not a smart phone)

- Dressed decently.

- When we met at Starbucks, she was reading a book rather than chatting with BF's on a smart phone.

Cons.

- Came home with me on the first nite without too much hassle. I am 40, earning well, reasonable shape and looks, dress and smell good but no Tom Cruise.

- How can girl sustain herself in Bangkok without a job and with studies on Sunday?

What is your opinion on this girl? Obviously, I don't mind even if she is P4P since she is super hot and willing to please. But I would treat her a lot differently if she was not.

I am going to bang her again soon but a bit confused. I am an experienced monger but feeling a bit confused by this one.

McM.

P. S. Sorry but I don't take photos.[/QUOTE]She is a working girl. Never forget that. Of course she has a job, renting her body. Take that at face value and have fun!

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.

Now, I plan to meet her again. Just wanted some advice. I am in BKK again soon and she keeps messaging to meet me.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).[/QUOTE]I think she is new and not accustomed to being fully in the game yet. Her friend is telling you she is financially tight, needs money, and she is too shy or needs to be more agressive when it comes to the money end of it. This is why the friend made those comments.

She feels like she made it through the first steps, does not mind your company and wants to keep you on the hook as a potiential sugar daddy. This can easily get out of control if you set bad presidents and start giving her money without any sexual contact. So be careful with the steps you take moving forward. If I were you I would start building a stable of girls.

Keep in mind her friends who also hang out at all the listed places will be spying on you and reporting back to her.

[QUOTE=Mike921;1441329]Absolutely, no one can compare (negatively that is) to the Japs. Xenophobic, racist, bigots. Truly Hitler's eastern evil twins. Thais are angels by comparison.[/QUOTE]Or maybe it's just a Small Dick syndrome, but then again, Koreans have even smaller dicks (according to a report posted some time ago by a member).

Personally, I always have had good relationships (businesswise) with the Japs, but again, they were expats and spoke perfect English. I have a few friends that went to Japan and swore never to return because of how they were treated. I have no desire of visiting Small Dicks Land so I couldn't care less.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1441394]I have a few friends that went to Japan and swore never to return because of how they were treated. I have no desire of visiting Small [xxx] Land so I couldn't care less.[/QUOTE]I would love to go to Japan based on my limited experience with a few Japanese girls I have had the pleasure to shag in Hong Kong and Macau. They were great girls and I was blown away by their gracious personalities and good looks, but I know that Tokyo for a western guy without any Japanese language skills and or a Japanese friend present to guide him and open the doors to the Japanese hidden city of women; the trip would be a big, expensive, frustrating waste of monger time.

The Japanese play it close to the vest. They don't like to share what they have and they don't think most westerners are civilized enough to understand their customs and rules. Consequently foreigner keep out is the name of their game in Japan.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1441292]I've been around these joints a lot, albeit several years ago, and I've had similar experiences. In fact, the old routine of the friend doing the ask is nothing new. It serves to do exactly what happened to you: make the whole situation ambiguous, so you don't know if you are in a P4P situation.

You are obviously a generous man (watch out, you may get flamed by the cheap charlies on this forum. Just ignore them). This is important.

No question she is in the game, although I doubt she thinks she's in the game. Joints like Spasso, Bossy, Spicey, Climax, etc. Are not frequented by wholesome girls who are just out for some clean fun. They want the sex with the foreigners, and they want the money too. So it is a mixed bag. I've been in perhaps a dozen such situations, two of which elevated into something semi-serious before I broke them off. This definitely has the potential to spin into a clingy situation, if you are not careful. Although perhaps that's what you want. No judgment.

I'm about your age too, and probably in the same kind of socioeconomic situation as you, and probably less good looking than you, so I can somewhat relate. My honest evaluation of this girl is that she is looking for a boyfriend who will support her. She's also looking for someone who will look good to her friends, and you presumably fit that bill, since she was with her friends when she took off with you. Put all that together, and you can expect to pay for her shopping, dinners, spending money, and a brand-spanking new smart phone (hey, she obviously needs one). In return, you will get excellent sex and the true privilege of getting skunk eye from every guy who ever sees you with that gorgeous beauty clung to your arm.

I think you can also expect to get some emotional pressure. This one sounds like she likes you, and it sounds like a little bit of courtship going on, which is a dangerous place to be for a monger. If you are 'confused by this one', it means she's getting under your skin, and that probably feels pretty good right about now. Perhaps you need to think about what this is getting you. Is that thrill purely sexual, or is it massaging your ego too? Is it giving you a sense that you are not 40 years old now, but more like in your early 30s? Is it giving you some escapism from a dull life? Whatever the case, my only serious advice is this:

[b]If you have family commitments back home that you are not willing to break, you need to stop and think about this. [/b]

Kids? Wife? GF? If they are not expendable, then this might not be what you want to do, because it could very well get ugly. And if you decide this won't be a long term relationship, you need to tell her now, before things get any deeper. It will only get harder to break it off with her as time goes by, so just stop and think about whether you are ready for this. I know you want to walk around the Paragon with her on your arm, and you want to go back to the hotel with this sexy little thing and share bubble baths with her and pretend she is your girlfriend, but the fantasy will end, and when it does, you will have to decide whether you want to keep her long term or ditch her then.

On the other hand, if that is not a concern, and you have the money to burn, then go for it. Such relationships can be thrilling and very satisfying, and definitely waaaaay better than your regular gogo girl ho-hum fare in BKK. I've been in four or five (two from nightclubs, the others from other situations in LOS) , and they have all ended with a tinge of pain, but with positive memories overall.[/QUOTE]Well put.

The last 2 paragraphs, especially, are EXCELLENT advice and the OP would do well to read, re-read, re-read again and commit it to heart.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1430258]Haven't read such a complete and informative report in a while. Well done.[/QUOTE]Even though I am new to the board, I have to say it was the best trip report I have read to date.

You need only read all the bullshit on price, limitations etc on the Japan thread to find out. I roll my eyes at such content.

I live in Tokyo and prefer to do all my mongerin in other parts of the world. I am due in Manila next week.

When the woman's 40 min timer (Timer she leaves near the bed) is up, its time to close up shop.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1441398]I would love to go to Japan based on my limited experience with a few Japanese girls I have had the pleasure to shag in Hong Kong and Macau.[/QUOTE]You mean the Monolians they try to pass off as Japanese in Familia Nobre?

[QUOTE=Pita123;1441537]You mean the Mongolians they try to pass off as Japanese in Familia Nobre?[/QUOTE]Ha! That's funny because I know exactly the faux Japanese girls you are referring to. I saw a couple of them in Nobre this March, the last time I was in Macau. I did not find them very appealing. East Spa had a super model that they claimed was Japanese. I had my doubts about her origin. She just did not look it, but whatever nationality she was, she was gorgeous. She was dressed in a colorful kimono and I swear she was 9*. Her price was 3600hk. I was relieved when a Chinese punter took her, because I was sorely tempted even though I knew it was way too much money.

No, I am talking about real Japanese girls. I haven't been with a lot, only 3, but they were extraordinary and unlike any other Asian girls I have ever been with. Suko, for example below, is a Japanese 141 girl I met in Hong Kong in 2011. There is no mistaking the way she looks nor her personality. Only a Japanese girl could act the way she did in making sure every step of the way she was servicing me well and that I was having a good time. Our little session together was right after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster and Suko was very concerned about her family. It was her last night in HKG and she was heading back to Japan the next day. I saw her passport and plane ticket. I wouldn't say Suko is gorgeous, but I liked the way she looked and her thin firm body. My session with her was not a GFE. It was more like a Geiko - esq experience. I was very lucky to have had her.

So I am kind of gaga over real Japanese girls and want to have more of them. Are there any Japanese board members reading this? I would be up for a tour of the Tokyo red light districts. I wouldn't bother going to Japan without a Japanese wing man by my side. Drop me a line.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]A couple of weeks ago, I hit Levels. Great club and nice vibe about the place.

After a couple of rounds, walked up to 2 girls. One hottie in a tight purple dress (looked to be 172 cm atleast) , really fair and hot body and another girl in a black cock-tail. Chit-chat, got them a few drinks, got comfortable, dancing, etc and told the purple one 'let's go'. We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.

I sent her off with 4000 since I had a meeting and arranged to meet her for lunch at Paragon. Took her for a nice lunch (covered by company) and some shopping.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).

- Came home with me on the first nite without too much hassle. I am 40, earning well, reasonable shape and looks, dress and smell good but no Tom Cruise.[/QUOTE]Amazing. You gave her 4000 baht and took her shopping and now you want to know if she is in the game? Well if she wasn't before I'm sure she is now. When you are home and you meet a chick do you give her money the next morning then take her shopping on top of that?

Why is it that you think you need to be Tom Cruise to pick up a chick? She was probably no Angelina Jolie either, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1441398]I would love to go to Japan based on my limited experience with a few Japanese girls I have had the pleasure to shag in Hong Kong and Macau. The Japanese play it close to the vest. They don't like to share what they have and they don't think most westerners are civilized enough to understand their customs and rules. .[/QUOTE]HK and Macau, Japanese have them trained well. Also in their places in Jakarta. In BKK though the Thai ones working Japanese clients (the usual place) overdo it with the squeeling and sqweeking act. Improper training.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1441601]Amazing. You gave her 4000 baht and took her shopping and now you want to know if she is in the game? Well if she wasn't before I'm sure she is now. When you are home and you meet a chick do you give her money the next morning then take her shopping on top of that?

Why is it that you think you need to be Tom Cruise to pick up a chick? She was probably no Angelina Jolie either, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?[/QUOTE]I know relatively many girls like this. We can call them whatever we like but this chick was probably relatively newly introduced to this "game" from her friends and gets tempted for some quick cash. We can not underline enough it is relatively easy money for a girl and almost stupid to say no (most likely her friends tell her it is a nice way to earn some bucks).

Most likely she go with some men from time to time (guys she in a way like and not only "his" money. Even ofcourse money will be a great motivation). This chick is not a hardcore prostitute. Many girls going to Spasso, Q-Bar, Levels and places like that go to have fun and if they see a guy they "like" they go. They work out of their free mind. Other girls I know they will almost not even BTS themself pass Lower Sukhumvit area as they find it to be all in prostitutearea (and from their own work and rep if they were seen around here people would start asking question). So it is a strange life and another thing, atleast if we think the girls have some sort of feelings for a guy. This trip (I am back home again. Crying) I met a few girls beeing so horny so if it was acting (even squirters) well atleast they act extremely good. And when a girl don't want to leave but wants to fuck more and more, well, I think we all can agree she atleast enjoy her "work" to a certain point.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1441211]Wait, theres more!

You ever seen or heard anything like this situation mr BJ?

Ever since I made the comment I may not be requiring her services but once a month, she has cut off all access to her nipples. I can't get my fingers in anymore. LOL. I compensate her for it as I do for those who let me have a quick feel. LOL.

That superstar even gives me more than I ask for. She actaully lets me fondle them (one step up from copping a feel). Very good value...[/QUOTE]H, I have seen, heard of and experienced situations like this one. You are trying to lock the stable door after the horse has bolted. You allowed her to take control of the situation because you made it obvious you were infatuated with her and that is where you made the mistake. Working girls are not intelligent, but they are cunning. If I were in your situation I wouldn't bother telling her anything I would forget her and move onto the next one, even from the same bar if you like. I get the impression you feel indebted to her in some way which is nonsense, you paid for her time under increasing restrictions because you made it clear she could manipulate you. You don't owe her anything.

You say she is making it so hard for you to spend money on her, then stop trying. Problem solved. Thai's in general and working girls in particular operate different sets of logic to Westerner's. For example many exclusively Thai owned companies are superficially judged by the number of employees they have instead of turnover, unit production / labour costs or profit and loss. Consequently many Thai companies, although not all, are deemed to be very successful even though they could operate with 30% less labour and increase profits. My own experience was after helping a bar girl financially who I had known well for a year we had a disagreement about her paying the money back. It was not a large sum of money but there was a principle involved. In the end it boiled down to not seeing eye to eye over 2, 000 baht! The result was she did not want to speak to me ever again? Fine by me. I calculated since this time she has lost around 30, 000 baht in ST payments, plus meals, plus drinks, plus days out. Net loss to her is 28,000 ++, this is a good example of the level of logic these girls operate on. At the end of the day there are a million of her kind for me to choose from, there are not a million of my kind for her to choose from.

If you offered a working girl 1,000 baht here and now or 3,000 baht in ten days time I bet the vast majority would take the 1,000 now. So in summing up I think you got in too deep and she is indisputably taking advantage of you. Fuck her off and learn from the mistakes you have made. In life it is ok to make mistakes but it is what we do about it after the fact that counts.

I doubt she finds you any more disgusting than the majority of her other customers, with the possible exception of the finger in the arse. Don't lose any sleep over her and start giving the forum FR's about the new girls you are banging.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1441292]On the other hand, if that is not a concern, and you have the money to burn, then go for it. Such relationships can be thrilling and very satisfying, and definitely waaaaay better than your regular gogo girl ho-hum fare in BKK. I've been in four or five (two from nightclubs, the others from other situations in LOS) , and they have all ended with a tinge of pain, but with positive memories overall.[/QUOTE]That is the reason we pay these girls: so they go away without drama

[QUOTE=Skogis;1441650]I know relatively many girls like this. We can call them whatever we like but this chick was probably relatively newly introduced to this "game" from her friends and gets tempted for some quick cash. We can not underline enough it is relatively easy money for a girl and almost stupid to say no (most likely her friends tell her it is a nice way to earn some bucks).[/QUOTE]No intention to flaming but when a girl gets a high pay for doing nothing (generally 4k is alaready a good rate for a LT, go imagine for a ST) this can only lead to silly expectation or wrong vision of what P4P can be for her.

Add the shoppin opportunity on top and she feels like a queen.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1441687]No intention to flaming but when a girl gets a high pay for doing nothing (generally 4k is alaready a good rate for a LT, go imagine for a ST) this can only lead to silly expectation or wrong vision of what P4P can be for her.

Add the shoppin opportunity on top and she feels like a queen.[/QUOTE]Well define doing nothing in these discussed cases? Well it is not for every girl or for girls frequent in all known mongerplaces to recieve this kind of compensation. But if girls operates in a certain way, at certain places and meet certain men I would (and I don't know this and I only speculate and also a few observation on my own) think 4K as a norm in her life is not so far out from reality. I know I can give 4K and more if I fell like (for certain quality girls and maby special service). But as Wolven say we also pay girls to leave without drama.

The 500bht Beachroad Pattaya girl and the debated more "upscale girls" they do the same work (and I don't talk about the luxury model girls they are much much more expensive). But there are miles apart when it comes to how they deliver their goods. Maby some (also my self) pay on the high side and maby also to much for different wrapping of the girls (but inside here it is hard to say what is a correct price as the market regulates it self). As I read inside here most ISG members runs after GoGo girls, MP girls or barfinable girls (nothing wrong about that just not my style) so the risk you meet a girl at Q-Bar is low am I right.

But I will underline that their performance is of great importance. We all have one standard we consider to be the expected one and from this we decide a price (I never give a girl any idea what she will get as there is absolutely no talk about price as I find that to be a turnoff. I like the game to look as normal as possible so chemistry and mutual liking / enjoyment is of great importance). If the performance blows all my expectations in a positive way, then ofcourse I will give some extra for the girl. The extra she would not know as she does not know anything about a price from the start but maby this also will secure the next punter climbing her a decent treatment.

Bangkok Eyes website recently posted many updated maps of red light areas around Bangkok. There are maps of Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, as well as some less famous areas, like Sukhumwit Soi 7/1 and Soi 22. They'd be very useful for any newbie wanting to get oriented on where the various go gos and such are. They're also useful to experienced mongers as a current snapshot of what businesses are still going.

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo;1441770]Bangkok Eyes website recently posted many updated maps of red light areas around Bangkok. There are maps of Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, as well as some less famous areas, like Sukhumwit Soi 7/1 and Soi 22. They'd be very useful for any newbie wanting to get oriented on where the various go gos and such are. They're also useful to experienced mongers as a current snapshot of what businesses are still going.[/QUOTE]The infamous Mick Licker created some awesome google map[s] a couple of years ago. If you search the ROD thread, back to 2010, you'll find that they're not as out-dated as one might think.

hi everyone,

here's my first diary of my thailand trip.

my plane landed today around noon after a loooong (too long) flight from france. but here i am, it's hot as an oven in here.

took a cab to my hotel (grand president hotel) soi 11, nice hotel, clean and big room, i took a shower and went doing some recon of the neighborhood. on my way to soi 8 (which is right in front soi 11, i couldn't resist and had had to take a look at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, after a 12 hours trip, it couldn't hurt me (it didn't) around 10 girls (most of them were average but found a couple of 8/10, took one, her name was zoé, very nice, always smiling and very friendly, went up and. you know what's next. very good bbbj with cim, i hate when you pay for a bbbj but mostly get hj, fortunately, she did a very good bbbj all the way.

an important thing that i need to emphasize is that i had booked wan wan from mango massage by email at 7.30pm for a two hours outcall. everything was confirmed and as i went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] around 3pm i had plenty of time to rest before the action with her. as i went back to my hotel (right after buying lube at the pharmacy in front of nana plaza) i only had the time to rest a little as someone ring at the door (it was 4. 30) it was wan wan. i was very surprised as i've said (3 times by email that i wanted her to come around 7. 30) anyway i couldn't refused her so i let her in.

it's been the best 3 hours of (mongering) sex of my (short) mongering life. i've never seen a girl (that you pay) that motivated, nice, kind and funny. we took a shower together and we broke the ice by talking about her, discos and random stuff. she's from hisan (not sure about the spelling) and was (to my taste) a 7/10 with a very nice body. she couldn't stop giggling as we were in the shower together. then went the nice part, almost 3 hours of deep kissing, gfe, dfk, vaginal sex, anal sex, bbbj and cim (passionated and not to sloppy). after two pops (+ the 1 at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]) i was exhausted but she wanted more, she came twice as well and was very wet from the beginning to the end. i'm not saying that i did something right (even though i hope so) but she was just very into it. she wouldn't let go of me and wanted some more "boum boum". eventually i told her that i was tired but that i would be happy to see her again. she stayed for another 45 minutes into my room, giggling, talking about that we should go to disco together and so forth (while touching my jonas brother) saying that "it" was tired with a sad face. we exchanged telephone number and she left.

btw. i've looking over wan pictures on mango's website and although she look similar, i'm not 100% sure that it was her. she said her name was wan wan and that she was 27, if anyone had had her in the past, could you confirm?

i paid her 2500 + 200 tips (1000 for mango and 1500 for the girl). some of you may think that i paid too much but the price with mango wasn't negotiable and with the pleasure that she gave me, negotiating with her was out of question.

here's end my first (half) day in bangkok. so far it's been great. will go to pattaya tomorrow, if it looks good i'll stay there for 4 nights, otherwise i will come back to bangkok before.

thanks

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1441292]I've been around these joints a lot, albeit several years ago, and I've had similar experiences. In fact, the old routine of the friend doing the ask is nothing new. It serves to do exactly what happened to you: make the whole situation ambiguous, so you don't know if you are in a P4P situation.

You are obviously a generous man (watch out, you may get flamed by the cheap charlies on this forum. Just ignore them). This is important.

No question she is in the game, although I doubt she thinks she's in the game. Joints like Spasso, Bossy, Spicey, Climax, etc. Are not frequented by wholesome girls who are just out for some clean fun. They want the sex with the foreigners, and they want the money too. So it is a mixed bag. I've been in perhaps a dozen such situations, two of which elevated into something semi-serious before I broke them off. This definitely has the potential to spin into a clingy situation, if you are not careful. Although perhaps that's what you want. No judgment.

I'm about your age too, and probably in the same kind of socioeconomic situation as you, and probably less good looking than you, so I can somewhat relate. My honest evaluation of this girl is that she is looking for a boyfriend who will support her. She's also looking for someone who will look good to her friends, and you presumably fit that bill, since she was with her friends when she took off with you. Put all that together, and you can expect to pay for her shopping, dinners, spending money, and a brand-spanking new smart phone (hey, she obviously needs one). In return, you will get excellent sex and the true privilege of getting skunk eye from every guy who ever sees you with that gorgeous beauty clung to your arm.

I think you can also expect to get some emotional pressure. This one sounds like she likes you, and it sounds like a little bit of courtship going on, which is a dangerous place to be for a monger. If you are 'confused by this one', it means she's getting under your skin, and that probably feels pretty good right about now. Perhaps you need to think about what this is getting you. Is that thrill purely sexual, or is it massaging your ego too? Is it giving you a sense that you are not 40 years old now, but more like in your early 30s? Is it giving you some escapism from a dull life? Whatever the case, my only serious advice is this:

[b]If you have family commitments back home that you are not willing to break, you need to stop and think about this. [/b]

Kids? Wife? GF? If they are not expendable, then this might not be what you want to do, because it could very well get ugly. And if you decide this won't be a long term relationship, you need to tell her now, before things get any deeper. It will only get harder to break it off with her as time goes by, so just stop and think about whether you are ready for this. I know you want to walk around the Paragon with her on your arm, and you want to go back to the hotel with this sexy little thing and share bubble baths with her and pretend she is your girlfriend, but the fantasy will end, and when it does, you will have to decide whether you want to keep her long term or ditch her then.

On the other hand, if that is not a concern, and you have the money to burn, then go for it. Such relationships can be thrilling and very satisfying, and definitely waaaaay better than your regular gogo girl ho-hum fare in BKK. I've been in four or five (two from nightclubs, the others from other situations in LOS) , and they have all ended with a tinge of pain, but with positive memories overall.[/QUOTE]Hi Kumbu,

Thanks for your words of wisdom. You seem to have gone through exactly what I feel and appreciate your feed-back. Really appreciate it!

In fact, you encapsulated all that I felt in your post. I do have a family and I intend to stay with them but I really am going to meet this chick next time and tell her about the situation. If she still wants to meet me, it should be ok for all. I will pay her when I meet her (no transfers) and that's it.

You last 2 paras are words of wisdom as another poster said and I will do well to follow it.

Regarding payment, it was for long time. I have paid as low as 2000 in Climax and Insomnia but when a girl goes out of her way to please, I would rather overpay than underpay. Too bad, but that's the way I am and USD50 is never going to break my bank. Apologies to those who disagree but I am not going to change.

Cheers,

McM

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1441281]Best way to find out is don't give her anything!

Hahahahaha!

I thought I was a bad mongerer-I did the unthinkable and fell for a bargirl.

If you are as experienced as you say you are- You know what she is about. Folks I think this guy is pulling a fast one. So many gullible people here! Naughty man![/QUOTE]Dude,

You fell for a bargirl which I have never done. I can take this girl out anywhere in Bangkok and people would be looking at me for taking a hot girl (an the I feel good). I can converse well with her in English. The girls I have met in R1-4 and Baccara cannot do that.

No offense man, I enjoy your humor sometimes but I don't care a flying f whether you think I am pulling a fast one or not. Cheers and peace out. Keep going. I take no offense.

McM

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1441650]I know relatively many girls like this. We can call them whatever we like but this chick was probably relatively newly introduced to this "game" from her friends and gets tempted for some quick cash. We can not underline enough it is relatively easy money for a girl and almost stupid to say no (most likely her friends tell her it is a nice way to earn some bucks).

Most likely she go with some men from time to time (guys she in a way like and not only "his" money. Even ofcourse money will be a great motivation). This chick is not a hardcore prostitute. Many girls going to Spasso, Q-Bar, Levels and places like that go to have fun and if they see a guy they "like" they go. They work out of their free mind. Other girls I know they will almost not even BTS themself pass Lower Sukhumvit area as they find it to be all in prostitutearea (and from their own work and rep if they were seen around here people would start asking question). So it is a strange life and another thing, atleast if we think the girls have some sort of feelings for a guy. This trip (I am back home again. Crying) I met a few girls beeing so horny so if it was acting (even squirters) well atleast they act extremely good. And when a girl don't want to leave but wants to fuck more and more, well, I think we all can agree she atleast enjoy her "work" to a certain point.[/QUOTE]Skogis,

Thanks. My experience is not as varied as yours but I agree that anytime a girl works hard to please me, I think that she's enjoying a bit of it too. This one turned every DATY to a 69. If she enjoyed it, good for her. I sure did have a great time and will reward her for it.

BTW, I met a girl in Spasso, 'dated' her 4 times without getting past second base and so moved on. Maybe she did not like me ENOUGH to go all the way. We all live and learn.

Cheers,

McM

i have been here for 7 days now and i have 2 more night to go.

the first thibg i did was to try mango and poy i think her name was i saw some good shit about here on isg and she was cute and took it in the ass like a champ i could do her ass in many ways!

recomend her!

she was a little crazy and jumped up on my back 30 seconds after her arrival and started barking like a dog hehe but god fuck!

my hotel is very close to soi cowboy so i have done take away there 5 times thees night and i am satisfied with them all!

for the go-go bars i really recomend shark, baccara and suzi wong.

the girls here are much better looking then i was hoping for and lets say there are about 30 girls working in each club then i think about 7-10 of those are very fuckable and 2-4 are really good looking.

now i like young looking girls in there early twenties so that is what i am talking about when i talk about these 2-4 girls in each club and they have fantastic bodies and really cute / sexy faces.

now i am a european guy in my early 30s and i know o look rather good so in the clubs there are 80% japanese guys.

as you all know the girls like japanese guys but my looks did that i could get any girl i wanted in the clubs so they liked me and the japanese and the rest of the guys did not get much attention.

did not get to fuck any of the bargirls in the ass.

shorttime i paid 2000-3000 and 1 longtime for 4000bth but then she stayed from 23 in the evening to 2 the next day and we had sex 3 times.

i have also tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] or was it lollipot i am not sure but i got a quick bj for 800bth in a room upstairs on a small sofa behind a curtan.

it was ok for 800bth but no more.

i have visited dr bj 2 times and the first time was whit "w" and she did a nice job trying to make me come it took like 25 minutes but she was good and very cute!

the second time was now tonight and it was with "e" and she fucking deeptroathed 18 of my 20 centimeters cock while she looked at me with her fake glases but she made me cum in maybe 6-8 minutes!

good deeptroath!

i tried to find rajah hotel because i was feeling for a russian girl tonight but did nt find the hotel.

anyone been there?

is it good looking girls or crap?

the russian elena or whats her name is has been siting in the café every day and shuting at me "hello! hello! you want me! i am new girl here!" but i think she looks like a crappy crackho with bad skin so no way i am sticking my dick in her.

over all i love bkk and this is not the last time i am going here!

tomorrow is my last night here don't know what to do yet but if i don't find rajah i guess it will be a last night whit a sexy gitl from soi cowboy i there are many girls there i like do have in my bed. .

cheers to all of you and god bless bkk!

I have a question about coyotes, I really don't know the difference between gogo's and coyotes. I have contact with a girl from Suzie Wongs and yesterday she said something about a coyote at Suzies who were fighting with her. I was surprised because I didn't know there was coyotes in gogo bars. Please enlighten me about the difference between a dancer and a coyote at a place like SW.

I will be in BKK this weekend and this my first time there. I know July is raining season but is it raining very heavy or moderate?

Thanks

[QUOTE=SunyAsia; 1441975]I will be in BKK this weekend and this my first time there. I know July is raining season but is it raining very heavy or moderate?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Yes yes yes

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1441927]I have a question about coyotes, I really don't know the difference between gogo's and coyotes. I have contact with a girl from Suzie Wongs and yesterday she said something about a coyote at Suzies who were fighting with her. I was surprised because I didn't know there was coyotes in gogo bars. Please enlighten me about the difference between a dancer and a coyote at a place like SW.[/QUOTE]Coyote girls are not for bar fining. Usually stunning girls, attracting customers to the bar, dancing. They might be available for take out at bar closure but usually very expensive.

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1441903]I have been here for 7 days now and I have 2 more night to go.

I tried to find Rajah hotel because I was feeling for a Russian girl tonight but did nt find the hotel. Anyone been there?

The Russian Elena or whats her name is has been siting in the café every day and shuting at me "hello! Hello! You want me! I am new girl here!" but I think she looks like a crappy crackho with bad skin so no way I am sticking my dick in her.

Cheers to all of you and god bless BKK![/QUOTE]Very good report as it gives newbies a quick round of the place.

Rajah hotel: go to soi and walk past NEP on the right side walk aside the nana car park. Go past a few bars for 100 metres till you see a 7/11 on your right. Turn right into the car park entrance and walk past a couple of bars.

You will soon see the rajah hotel building in your left.

It is the only (huge) building on the left. The lobby entrance has a roof crossing the whole alley to theright building (Annie's doo doo bar). Enter the lobby, look like you are looking for something and surely some pimp will tell you which floor the girls are.

Sometime the girls are out for a smoke, sometime they pop in 7/11 for a quick shopping.

Nice to read that Elena describes herself as fresh from the farm....

I have been in BKK fr 8 days now and it has been raining a total of 2-4 hour maybe.

[QUOTE=SunyAsia; 1441975]I will be in BKK this weekend and this my first time there. I know July is raining season but is it raining very heavy or moderate?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

So me and my new mate start the evening again sitting near to nana and we realize the average age in this bar is fugly. So we move 1 bard closer to Nana. We start a party anf o have some fun, Tequilas all around and hugging playing etc. Trying to get these girls loose. We even buy momma san a few Tequalis.

We offer 100 baht for each girl that will remove her panties. NONE took us up!

We spent some good cash maybe 20 lady drinks and right after the BAR closes ALL disappear. ALL can't believe that. This is not the way is was it used to be this kind of actions would have led to a great night of group sex.

The name of the Bar starts with an "S" I can't recall it but god damn was that pathetic. When I get the name I will post as I am back Sunday.

So disappointed we head to a disco and W O W. Wall to wall hot chick. 5 minutes hand in hand to my room with an excellent 33 year old no babies big juicy tit momma.

Sex was not world class perhaps my standards are to high but body was.

2000 baht in the AM see you next trip darling.

BKK has changed and it is ALL bad. Newbies be simple and upfront. Yes I will buy you 1 drink and if I buy you 2 HERE ARE MY DEMANDS. I have wasted 4 k baht at least for nothing, not a big deal but that is a 3 some instead of just liver damage!

Be blunt and polite but stop being deceived like I have been. Off to Manila.

PP

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1442103]BKK has changed and it is ALL bad.[/QUOTE]Very True!

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1442069]Coyote girls are not for bar fining. Usually stunning girls, attracting customers to the bar, dancing. They might be available for take out at bar closure but usually very expensive.[/QUOTE]Thanks for info Bionicman.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1442103].The name of the Bar starts with an "S" I can't recall it but god damn was that pathetic. When I get the name I will post as I am back Sunday.PP[/QUOTE]Swan? That is The first that comes to my mind.

[QUOTE=Pinaypounder;1442103]So disappointed we head to a disco and W O W. Wall to wall hot chick. 5 minutes hand in hand to my room with an excellent 33 year old no babies big juicy tit momma.PP[/QUOTE]And what was the name of the disco?

[b]location[/b] : star of light bj bar, patpong ii, bangkok.

[b]name[/b] : pen.

[b]age given[/b] : 27

[b]cost[/b] : b700.

[b]time[/b] : evening.

gave pen a go on this visit. her nickname in the place is something like hee-yen (an issan word apparently, meaning something like smaller and younger looking than you are). her star of light history is that she worked there for several years then took a break for 3 years and only started up again this year in april for the usual reason (work back in her home town being insufficient wage to maintain her kids, and pay only coming monthly back home).

initially it seemed she may be a hardened pro because she got to work on me right away without the small talk of my usual sol provider. once pen got going though, things improved as the bbbj progressed, especially when the bj eye contact surfaced after a few minutes.

looking back in the archive after the visit, it seems that another guy went with this one (if we're talking about the same pen) and wasn't impressed by the bj that he was given.

initially that was my 'first' impression too, pen doing things a bit too slowly, but she managed to bring me off easily enough once speeding up and making the right slurpy noises, her getting a major gob full and a very satisfying orgasm for me."too much suh-perm", she said (yes!). once it was over, she sat next to me again and we had a nice conversation.

anyway, the latest juicy (well, kind of) intel about star of light is that the owner is considering a make over for the place. yes, the hallowed walls and sofas of this fabled institution may see some 'make over' treatment in the new year (remaining as a bj bar of course). asking what they were going to do, she said the owner hasn't decided yet.

personally i reckon the place is ok as it is, its run down decor being part of the 'charm' (perhaps a misplaced word) , with that wooden monkey holding its enormous cock (it is enormous isn't it? please tell me it is enormous) , the cock shaped bell ringer, the chessboard kind of pattern on the floor and the maroon colours and the use of wood.

others visitors from this board have had fs in that bar and pen mentioned this as b1000 for bj and then fs (covered). pen is one there that i'd consider trying for fs, but looking in the bar the mechanics of it elude me. where can it be done except in that back room? fs on a grubby mattress in that back room isn't appealing (caught a glimpse of that back room interior once and still occasionally go for councelling due to the post traumatic stress).

obviously star of light has an element of challenge to it in itself with a degree of exhibitionism thrown into the mix due to the arrangement, but fs in the bar itself feels like it may be 'a bridge too far' for me. being sucked off when there are three other ladies non chalantly chatting away or sleeping on the next sofa along can seem odd enough as it is, without hammering away at one of them with fs in the same arrangement. famous last words though.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1441996]Why do you guys keep saying you overpaid when you didn't?

2700 baht seems very good deal for 3 hours of exchanging bodily fluids. LOL.[/QUOTE]Mango girls are at 1000+1500 for 2 hrs right? Or is it 3 hours? Looks like it makes more sense to have them over than go down

BTW, landing up in BKK this Sat'day. Am putting up Admiral Premier just in case anyone is interested is meeting up for a chat and a drink!

[QUOTE=Archetype;1442288]Mango girls are at 1000+1500 for 2 hrs right? Or is it 3 hours? Looks like it makes more sense to have them over than go down[/QUOTE]Most oilies are 800 plus 1500 tip for on-site. 1000+1500 for out-call, both for 2 hr sessions. Many places will offer overnight, starting after 9 to 9:30 pm for 1000+2000 [or more] tip. The difference is when you visit, you get to see the eye candy first. If you know who you want already, then room service is the way to go.

I am arriving 7:30 pm next Monday, and booked room service for 9:30 pm with one of the oilies. It's a 2 hr session which may or may not turn into overnight. The 2 hrs is 1000+1500, the LT is 1000+2000, and I'm sure they'll appreciate a larger tip :D

[QUOTE=SunyAsia; 1441975]I will be in BKK this weekend and this my first time there. I know July is raining season but is it raining very heavy or moderate?

Thanks[/QUOTE]The weather is unpredictable of course. But according to the long time average it rains a lot more in Sept and Oct than in July. Check [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangkok[/url]

I spent these 2 months in BKK several times. No big problem. Rain in this big city feels much less nasty than in Pattaya or on Phuket.

[QUOTE=Coconut Cream; 1442250][b]Location[/b] : Star of Light BJ Bar, Patpong II, Bangkok.
[b]Name[/b] : Pen.
[b]Age Given[/b] : 27
[b]Cost[/b] : B700.
[b]Time[/b] : Evening.

Gave Pen a go on this visit. .[/QUOTE]
Pen is the kind of girl who understands how to get a guy off. I think for her, she applies the mechanics of what is needed to pop you but she is really missing the whole slutty-working girl aspect to her personality and her BJ repertoire to really push her service over the top. If you tell her what you want though she will do it, but having to tell her does take away from the spontaneity of the act.

Her friend, Rabbit, however does have a bit of that slutty-working girl in her. The last double I had with those two I got a kick out of Rabbit, jacking with one hand, sticking out her tongue and daring me to squirt my load to the back of her mouth with her tongue guiding the way.

I like Rabbit because you can see she really puts her heart into the back and forth twist of the head suck action. It was not the right time though at that instant and during Pens turn she was the one who got to siphon me off.

I posted a few pics of Pen and Rabbit in an earlier thread, mid-March:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1398676&viewfull=1#post1398676[/url]

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1442409](snip) Pen is the kind of girl who understands how to get a guy off. I think for her, she applies the mechanics of what is needed to pop you but she is really missing the whole slutty-working girl aspect to her personality and her BJ repertoire to really push her service over the top. If you tell her what you want though she will do it, but having to tell her does take away from the spontaneity of the act (snip)[/QUOTE]Cheers for the addition. [i]'By the numbers but efficient'[/i] From Pen does sound accurate to how it was. Thus far my approach in SOL has been to lay back and allow them to work their magic because it has been such a joy to encounter that kind of BJ skill, but putting in requests will probably spice things up even more as its seems I haven't even begun to explore the full range of possibilities in that place yet considering that they all seem a fun lot and are certainly not shy. Arranged a two Girl BJ there once which was great fun and very interactive though.

Pen did mention 'afterwards' that some Falang ask the Girls to open wide after CIM and give a little slutty display before swallowing, saying that some of the workers will do this but tend to charge a little bit more to swallow (she couldn't recall how much, at the time). One of the staff there who is truly part of the furniture is Pai, the tubby one who not many would choose for looks and physique by any means but does have that slutty side to her you speak of, with all the filthy 'nom nom' moaning, the swivel head action and really making the effort. It seems the potential for some porn fantasy enactment is possible in there and will just require me to ask and see the response.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1442163]Swan? That is The first that comes to my mind.[/QUOTE]Stumble Inn?

ANOTHER make over for SOL!

At this rate they will be on the cover of Thai House & Garden Magazine next!

I seem to remember that SOL did have a makeover just a few years ago.

Before that, the bar (opposite the sofas) used to have curtains, rather than solid wood, below the counter. This enabled the girls to duck down below the bar top, open the curtains a little and blow you while you sat at the bar watching the old porn films on the TV on the back wall!

Oh the good old days!

Enjoy,

Hotman.

Thanks. So moral of the story. Visit Mango, Cherry, Snow White, Ez first up and note down the names of the girls I like. And then get them to comedown. BTW, can anyone suggest names of girls who work well with each other from these parlors? Maybe put on a lesbain show?

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1442294]Most oilies are 800 plus 1500 tip for on-site. 1000+1500 for out-call, both for 2 hr sessions. Many places will offer overnight, starting after 9 to 9:30 pm for 1000+2000 [or more] tip. The difference is when you visit, you get to see the eye candy first. If you know who you want already, then room service is the way to go.

I am arriving 7:30 pm next Monday, and booked room service for 9:30 pm with one of the oilies. It's a 2 hr session which may or may not turn into overnight. The 2 hrs is 1000+1500, the LT is 1000+2000, and I'm sure they'll appreciate a larger tip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hotman 666;1442497](snip) Before that, the bar (opposite the sofas) used to have curtains, rather than solid wood, below the counter. This enabled the girls to duck down below the bar top, open the curtains a little and blow you while you sat at the bar watching the old porn films on the TV on the back wall! Oh the good old days! (snip)[/QUOTE]Pen mentioned that the Police ordered the end to the curtain thing. Any suggestions for what they next make over could be? Maybe I can pass suggestions on when next there, and SOL can be customised by customers. One thing is for sure, they won't have trouble obtaining wallpaper paste (how about that for a truly unique and 'personal input' to the interior decoration).

[QUOTE=Archetype;1442504]BTW, can anyone suggest names of girls who work well with each other from these parlors? Maybe put on a lesbain show?[/QUOTE]Email and ask them. I know Cherry and EZ will recommend a pair, although keep in mind EZ girls don't normally do multiple shots in one session.

[QUOTE=Hotman 666; 1442497]ANOTHER make over for SOL!

At this rate they will be on the cover of Thai House & Garden Magazine next![/QUOTE]In the US would that be the equivalent of the magazine Better Homes and Garbage?

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1442539]EZ girls don't normally do multiple shots in one session.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that some do.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1442614]I can assure you that some do.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%

[quote=coconut cream; 1442250][b]location[/b] : star of light bj bar, patpong ii, bangkok.

[b]name[/b] : pen.

[b]age given[/b] : 27

[b]cost[/b] : b700.

[b]time[/b] : evening.

gave pen a go on this visit. her nickname in the place is something like hee-yen (an issan word apparently, meaning something like smaller and younger looking than you are). her star of light history is that she worked there for several years then took a break for 3 years and only started up again this year in april for the usual reason (work back in her home town being insufficient wage to maintain her kids, and pay only coming monthly back home).

initially it seemed she may be a hardened pro because she got to work on me right away without the small talk of my usual sol provider. once pen got going though, things improved as the bbbj progressed, especially when the bj eye contact surfaced after a few minutes.

looking back in the archive after the visit, it seems that another guy went with this one (if we're talking about the same pen) and wasn't impressed by the bj that he was given.

initially that was my 'first' impression too, pen doing things a bit too slowly, but she managed to bring me off easily enough once speeding up and making the right slurpy noises, her getting a major gob full and a very satisfying orgasm for me."too much suh-perm", she said (yes!). once it was over, she sat next to me again and we had a nice conversation.

anyway, the latest juicy (well, kind of) intel about star of light is that the owner is considering a make over for the place. yes, the hallowed walls and sofas of this fabled institution may see some 'make over' treatment in the new year (remaining as a bj bar of course). asking what they were going to do, she said the owner hasn't decided yet.

personally i reckon the place is ok as it is, its run down decor being part of the 'charm' (perhaps a misplaced word) , with that wooden monkey holding its enormous cock (it is enormous isn't it? please tell me it is enormous) , the cock shaped bell ringer, the chessboard kind of pattern on the floor and the maroon colours and the use of wood.

others visitors from this board have had fs in that bar and pen mentioned this as b1000 for bj and then fs (covered). pen is one there that i'd consider trying for fs, but looking in the bar the mechanics of it elude me. where can it be done except in that back room? fs on a grubby mattress in that back room isn't appealing (caught a glimpse of that back room interior once and still occasionally go for councelling due to the post traumatic stress).

obviously star of light has an element of challenge to it in itself with a degree of exhibitionism thrown into the mix due to the arrangement, but fs in the bar itself feels like it may be 'a bridge too far' for me. being sucked off when there are three other ladies non chalantly chatting away or sleeping on the next sofa along can seem odd enough as it is, without hammering away at one of them with fs in the same arrangement. famous last words though.[/quote]this is how a report should be written. no shame for the politically-incorrect score card, facts, humor and attention to the details. newcomers take note.

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1441903]I have been here for 7 days now and I have 2 more night to go.

The Russian Elena or whats her name is has been siting in the café every day and shuting at me "hello! Hello! You want me! I am new girl here!" but I think she looks like a crappy crackho with bad skin so no way I am sticking my dick in her.[/QUOTE]I am actually kinda tempted. I was having a chat with her after coming out from Dr BJ's but she wanted 1300. The problem is that she always stays seated so you can't actually see what her body looks like. E is great though. Have been holding back while in Tokyo so she can take a 8 day load.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1442614]I can assure you that some do.[/QUOTE]Let me rephrase: [B]Unlike most of the other oilies popular on ISG [mango, tulip, cherry, snow white], at EZ you need to ask for the girls that provide multiple shots, not all automatically do more than 1. [/B] This is actually what EZ management told me after I asked why my gals for hotel room service only provide one shot?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1442614]I can assure you that some do.[/QUOTE]Depends on the dick size. 1.5 mm ... no problem :) .


Giotto

[QUOTE=Coconut Cream;1442250]Pen is one there that I'd consider trying for FS, but looking in the Bar the mechanics of it elude me. Where can it be done except in that back room? FS on a grubby mattress in that back room isn't appealing[/QUOTE]I always thought FS was performed in the toilets?

[quote=goatscrot; 1440903]try running a business here. yes, the definition fits. 100.

i'll stick by my original statement.[/quote]i still don't see the irrational fear or hatred.

they are just like every other human being. the exception is that they don't really have the rule of law as an embedded system.

all people feel the way they feel about other people but in western countries they make it illegal to act on those feelings. most countries do not make that legal distinction.

unless there is some penalty people will not do any differently then they want to do. hit them in the pocket, the way we do in the west when one is discriminated against, and it stops most blatant cases but most people still want to do it. and they do, just in a stealthy 'legal' manner.

you are seeing it in a non-stealthy manner because there is simply no penalty for following your feelings, instinct, prejudice, what your brother-in-law does, etc. as far as treating other people in these countries. hey, in india a local man can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a women if he feels horny and face little justice, if at all. and the punishment may be marrying the woman (a fate possibly worse than prison imho). now how does that compare on the scale to a little old fashioned discrimination?

so in bkk if they don't want indians – no problem, just put up a sign. who's to stop them and why would they try?

so, why should you be treated any differently?

it will only stop when the 'rule of law' becomes the norm and the lawyers come and keep everyone on the straight and narrow (less they pay!)

likely?

one should know that going in but as someone said, it's kinda fun here.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1442672]Depends on the dick size. 1.5 mm. No problem. .

Giotto[/QUOTE]Kurt Wagner is Back!

Yes, sure, if your dick is the size of a Korean no problem, all girls will do multiple Shots. Kurt speaks from extensive experience. LOL

[quote=rjsss212; 1442749]i still don't see the irrational fear or hatred.

they are just like every other human being. the exception is that they don't really have the rule of law as an embedded system.

all people feel the way they feel about other people but in western countries they make it illegal to act on those feelings. most countries do not make that legal distinction.

unless there is some penalty people will not do any differently then they want to do. hit them in the pocket, the way we do in the west when one is discriminated against, and it stops most blatant cases but most people still want to do it. and they do, just in a stealthy 'legal' manner.

you are seeing it in a non-stealthy manner because there is simply no penalty for following your feelings, instinct, prejudice, what your brother-in-law does, etc. as far as treating other people in these countries. hey, in india a local man can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a women if he feels horny and face little justice, if at all. and the punishment may be marrying the woman (a fate possibly worse than prison imho). now how does that compare on the scale to a little old fashioned discrimination?

so in bkk if they don't want indians – no problem, just put up a sign. who's to stop them and why would they try?

so, why should you be treated any differently?

it will only stop when the 'rule of law' becomes the norm and the lawyers come and keep everyone on the straight and narrow (less they pay!)

likely?

one should know that going in but as someone said, it's kinda fun here.[/quote]it starts with institutions in this country not condoning policies that are racist and encourage xenophobia. double pricing, making the path to citizenship easier, etc. it continues with an educational system that teaches about equality, regardless of skin color. and it continues with the media embracing these ideals. it will happen, asean in 2015 will force some of it, and the rest will follow in time.

Didn't find much info here on Kapoo clubs. Any recommendations and experiences.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1440044]Agreed. I have never even considered this, although I have been asked to support several ladies over the years (politely declining, of course). I did discover a few years ago that one of my friends was kind of supporting a lady. Well, he was sending her $400 per month. When I asked him why the fuck he was being such a dipshit, he explained it to me. Here is (roughly) his explanation.

One of the beautiful things about LOS is that ladies abound. There are so many girls: tall girls, short girls, chubby girls, skinny girls, dark-skinned, light-skinned, thick-legged, skinny-legged, round-assed, flat-assed, etc. Then there are expensive girls, cheap girls, those that are cheap on the first night and then get progressively more expensive, and those that start out expensive and then get cheaper as you go along. And then there are girls who will give you a great BBBJ, those who CIM, those who do anal, those who do whatever, and those who don't. The point is that you have to hit pussy after pussy trying them all out, and more often than not, there is something missing. You don't quite have the Aha-experience except on very few occasions. So when you do get that revelation, the inspirational experience, you want to repeat it. And then repeat again, etc. You just don't want to have to spend the money and energy bedding the losers again. Why would you if you have a superb girl already identified?

And then it is time to go home. And you know that once you leave, you will lose touch with the girl, and when you come back, you will need to sift through the entire haystack again to find the one needle in there. So you decide to pay the girl something small to keep her interested in you. The money is a way to keep her on a leash, but you know full well that she will continue to ply her trade. You do not expect her to become celibate on $400 per month (or even $10, 000 per month). All you expect is her to email you, and be ready for your return. When you do return to LOS, you let her know you are coming, and voila. She materializes at your hotel and you get that same fantastic sex that you remember from your last visit.

At least that was his theory. I tell you this because sometimes we tend to think that guys who support ladies are being irrational and stupid. But they (at least some of them) have a reason for this strange action, even though it is not a wise course of action.

So in reality, things did not work out according to his theory. He was paying her $400 per month, and then suddenly mama and papa got sick and she needed a little more money. So one month he sent her $600. That was good, but mama and papa are still in hospital, so the next month he sent her $800, and told her that was the last upped payment she will get. Ok. 3 months pass by and she gets her regular $400, but then she herself got sick and needed to go to hospital. $800 out the window.

Eventually he returned and expected to be greeted like a returning hero. He got some pretty good boinking on the first night, he tells me, but then it went south quickly. He wanted to screw lots of different women, but he had unwittingly cornered himself into a monogamous relationship. A monogamous relationship with a gogo dancer! She refused to let him see other girls, and he did not know what to do.

So he skyped me and asked me what the fuck he should do. I told him to ditch the girl and set his manhood free. Unfurl your libido and do what comes naturally: to fuck lots of mediocre women. Exactly what he was trying to avoid by paying this girl money each month.

I'm not claiming all the guys who support women are doing it for this reason, but this is one case. It was a mistake, as I told him at the time, and he now regrets ever having done that, so let's be clear: don't support the ladies from afar, unless you plan to actually marry the girl someday.

And as an aside, he told me that one night he was talking to one of his girl's friends who remarked that she was very impressed that he was sending her 30, 000 baht per month. He didn't say anything, but then asked his girl about it, and she sheepishly admitted that she had exaggerated to her girlfriend. So yes, these girls amplify what they are getting from sponsors because it boosts their reputation as a major money-getter.[/QUOTE]Hi Kumbu, nice to see your post.

Remember (some years ago) your descriptive stories while you where in Bangkok.

Hope you return soon and start posting.

I remember in my early mongeryears beeing a newbee (I had read some articles from various forum but not everything) then I met this DIA girl (very tall. 22yrs, fake boobs, longlegged) and I was stunned and blinded for a while (one of my first Thaigirls). We parted without any agreement on any sponsorprogram. A few months later (and I had read even more forums) she called me up and said she needed some money. I told her that was out of the question as long I was not with her and saw myself what she infact needed money for (this was infact for dentist as her tooth had broke atleast so she claimed). Had I been there with her to see her broken tooth. No problem. I would come with her to the best dentist. Then she started to pull this crocodile tears on me so I very reluctantly agreed to send her some money (my first and last time). I send her 7500bht equal to a norwegian 1500. I felt so stupid sending money so I did break with her and never heard from her again. And this was even small money. When I am with the ladies then I am not cheap at all I get them to doctorsappointment, buy them expensive clothes and stuff. But never ever will I send some money without me beeing around to monitor how money is spend.

But to many Thaigirls defence, atleast the one I hang out with or meet, they do relatively good themself so are in no need for anything (still ofcourse I buy them gifts to be nice which they ofcourse appreciates). And for my freelancer I have met over the past 3-4 years (even the Beergarden / Beachroad girls). No moneyquestion have been raised even some of them have my e-mails and phonenumber. Maby the habit of asking about money is not so popular or is it the punters themself offering to sponsor? If the last, how stupid is that?

I remember down in Phuket I was actual bonking a girl in the middle of the thainight while she talked to her finnish sponsor. It was relatively fun.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1440044]Agreed. I have never even considered this, although I have been asked to support several ladies over the years (politely declining, of course)[/QUOTE]I think your anecdote / story summarises the reasons why guys sponsors girls, be it 100€ or400€ a month. To make sure they have a lady waiting for them when they return and save the hassle of the search, scouting for the girl to take to bed when he visits the country again. I don't see many other reasons, unless humanitarian reasons (!). The outcome is nearly always the.

Same, unless a wedding is on the agenda (could also be the guy looking at the marriage) , can't be much different.

Fact is when one sums up the amounts (average 200 per month) and the days he spends in the country, the toll is high, very high. Unreasonable to me. Better over pay her per encounter, in a pinch, so that when one arrives there she clears her agenda as the high payer comes to town. There is non incentive for her, and the story tells, to deliver since she already got money, lots of money, in advance. She also knows it can last forever, so once she collected a fair amount she can ditch him and move to the next payer.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1442889]But to many Thaigirls defence, atleast the one I hang out with or meet, they do relatively good themself so are in no need for anything (still ofcourse I buy them gifts to be nice which they ofcourse appreciates). And for my freelancer I have met over the past 3-4 years (even the Beergarden / Beachroad girls). No moneyquestion have been raised even some of them have my e-mails and phonenumber. Maby the habit of asking about money is not so popular or is it the punters themself offering to sponsor? If the last, how stupid is that?[/QUOTE]I will buy that in many cases. I have a friend who frequently sends money through other friends to give to girls. The last time it happened was a couple of months ago. He befriended a girl who was working in a bar, but he still had not fucked her. He sends money, unsolicited, through another of our friends and the friend gives the girl the money. Now this guy is the threesome king. That is his M. O. So he returns to Thailand and gets the girl and tells her he wants to do a threesome. They go find another girl and get back to the room. The girls go at it. Come to find out, the girl he has been sending money to won't let him fuck her. She is gay!

Another time he wants the same friend to pass money to a girl and he will put it in his bank account later. He tells the friend to give her $200. He rattles off the girl's phone number so our friend can call her to pick up the money. The phone number sounds familiar. It just so happens that the girl in question is the recently former squeeze of the friend who is supposed to deliver the money. He told him why he stopped dealing with her and convinced him not to waste his money giving it to her.

Think you guys are spending way too much. Of all the people in the world to help. Why help a cum rag?

I'm finding out it's more the gesture, then the amount anyway.

You buy you wife a diamond watch. I'll buy your wife a double headed dildo. She may appreciate my creativity more.

Most Thai chicks I know are happy with 50 baht spicy seafood salad and an occasional movie. Hoes included.

Maybe you guys are helping me out though with less needy Thai chicks.

P. S. I hear tons of stories. My rich chick owns condo buildings. One of the old dudes confines with her what he should spend on his 18 y / o Isaan chick, which he spends 10,000 / week. My bar girl chick tells me many stories of guys paying way, way, way more.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1442889]I remember down in Phuket I was actual bonking a girl in the middle of the thainight while she talked to her finnish sponsor. It was relatively fun.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Ya, been there, done that.

Except mine was one of my freebe light skinned and very hot Dominican sex-pots. I told her every time that dumb German calls, she is going to talking to him while my dick works her over. So expect it. She did not care a bit except when I banged her hard enough that she could not keep the phone to her ear. That was when I would get a scowling look thrown back at me. She was kind of nutts. In a good way though.

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld;1442914]Think you guys are spending way too much. Of all the people in the world to help. Why help a cum rag?[/QUOTE]I got news for you. The guy frequenting the cum rag ain't no more respectable an individual than the cum rag herself. He may think he is. But that is just denial doing its work.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1442988]Ha ha. Ya, been there, done that.

Except mine was one of my freebe light skinned and very hot Dominican sex-pots. I told her every time that dumb German calls, she is going to talking to him while my dick works her over. So expect it. She did not care a bit except when I banged her hard enough that she could not keep the phone to her ear. That was when I would get a scowling look thrown back at me. She was kind of nutts. In a good way though.[/QUOTE]Really a common theme for the man that has 'known the world". My wonderful Anurak from Udon, in all her candidness, would talk to the Swedish sponsor that was asking if she was still harvesting in the farm while I was taking her from behind. Little he knew that she had flown to Phuket for the only purpose of saying farewell to me.

I think it's facinating how the world has a way of balancing things out. Clearly her good fortune is more than offset by having to deal with scum. Everyone pays in the end!

[QUOTE=NeverGetsOld; 1442914]Think you guys are spending way too much. Of all the people in the world to help. Why help a cum rag?

I'm finding out it's more the gesture, then the amount anyway.

You buy you wife a diamond watch. I'll buy your wife a double headed dildo. She may appreciate my creativity more.

Most Thai chicks I know are happy with 50 baht spicy seafood salad and an occasional movie. Hoes included.

Maybe you guys are helping me out though with less needy Thai chicks.

P. S. I hear tons of stories. My rich chick owns condo buildings. One of the old dudes confines with her what he should spend on his 18 why / o Isaan chick, which he spends 10, 000 / week. My bar girl chick tells me many stories of guys paying way, way, way more.[/QUOTE]

Screw Singapore and their $40 pitchers and ships on buildings. Back in the city I love.

DMK to crib. Grab umbrella and go to NaNa.

Going to be the first night for awhile away from the new wifey and got to make something good of it.

The second I get there I see a sexy fat ass in NaNa hotel parking lot by herself holding umbrella. Other nights I see all fuglies.

Good personality, doesn't mention price. Dart to my crib.

First Thai chick I've seen with KY. She puts it on my side table along with a condom. Mind-boggling. Laughable.

Never used either and this girl was gushing like no other. Turning me the fuck on. Especially considering she wanted to use KY first.

Drenched her back and gave her more then my going rate. 1000 baht for short time and she was upset. Didn't have 100 baht notes. Fuck it. Some really good dripping wet streetwalker pussy.

Can't turn down onion booty or big naturals and models take a backseat. Just a matter if I got to be a bastard or not to get it.

Too many hot Thai chicks. Too little semen. Too little cash.

Like at the zoo where you see signs "don't feed the animals" there should have been signs at immigrations, as I guess the majority of visitors into Thai and the Phils actually have to pass through here, saying "don't sponsor prostitutes" (I don't speak of normal compensation pre session). I read in other forums as well and I feel so sorry for all the misleaded people out there thinking they found a special girl (in a bar, on the street, in a gogo, in a datingsite etc etc). Let her be special only when you are with her(atleast that is how I do it).

What surprises me by far the most is farangs actualy sponsering girls they meet online and have not even met. Laugh or cry I don't know what I pick. Normaly the glory midway I guess. The girls for sure laugh.

True story: Last time in Manila (1 month or so ago) I had this beautiful datingsitegirl coming over to my hotel. We started drinking and talking and as she got tipsy she spoke quite openly about her line of operation. She logged on my Ipad and showed me her communication (mail, skype etc) with a few guys. OMG I laughed and cried at the same time. They had all only met her through internet and a few were based in Europe and one in Canada and they all start to send her quite decent ammount of money so she would clear her scheduel if they were to set foot in her vicinity. From 4 punters she recieved 50000php (approx 40000bht) per month. I was so facinated so I read and read and almost forgot the girl. She actually told me she had other friends as well doing the same and she thought it was the easiest work in the world as they were not to fuck these guys no matter what (atleast so she claimed).2 good question she raised (she was a eduacated girl).1. Why I take normal job when I get this kind of money just chatting on internet (not even strip as she told me)? And 2. Are all foreign guys this stupid? The first question I told her I see your point and on the second I responded "atleast not me"Yeah I told her that to) but also I told her I simply could not explain why people would do such a thing as throwing money out the window. Then we got down to business.

I've been thinking about heading over to Bangkok one of these trips but was curious what the scene is like compared to the fkk scene. Anybody here have any input? I've been reading some of the reports in the Thailand section, jotting down notes and considering a possible trip. As we all know with the fkk clubs, there isn't a huge selection of asian girls around the fkk scene. I was looking at some of the photo's guys put up in the Thailand section and to be honest I wasn't too impressed, that is until I saw some youtube video of the girls working at some of these clubs (soi cowboy etc). This video [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjnt6hOyjE[/url] At the 1:20 mark. 2:00 mark. 2:12 mark to show a couple of girls got me thinking it wouldn't be a bad place to check out.

What's the scene like in Bangkok and Pattaya?

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1443106]I've been thinking about heading over to Bangkok one of these trips but was curious what the scene is like compared to the fkk scene. Anybody here have any input?[/QUOTE]No comparison at all. I have been there twice 2 years ago. The places with the best variety are the 'fishtank' establishments (e. G. Cleopatra) where about 100 + girls sit behind a huge glass screen for you to choose from. Half of them are remarkably attractive, but those I brought to the rooms turned out disastrous. The soapy body to body massages that they provide before the act were great though. I did not dare to go to the Soi Cowboi area as the local mafia might beat you up.

To elaborate, what was not evident in the youtube video is that once the girls have lured you into into shop, there will be bouncers guarding the door which you then cannot exit without paying an exhorbitant sum of money for drinks. The large 'fish tank' establishments (they have more rooms than Oase, Palace or Artemis) are safe, as they are more open and there are large numbers of customers.

Saw some videos of Nana parking lot freelancers on the Internet. The video was recent and many of the freelancers looked attractive. My question is what are the ST / LT rates (do they even go long time?). And do thy usually give good service or are their many con artist amongst them?

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1443167]Saw some videos of Nana parking lot freelancers on the Internet. The video was recent and many of the freelancers looked attractive. My question is what are the ST / LT rates (do they even go long time?). And do thy usually give good service or are their many con artist amongst them?[/QUOTE]My questions are:what have you been doing in ISG during the last months? How did you put together 76 posts and you ask this question?

Will you ask on a tourist forum whether McDonald is better than Burger King and what the price of a burger / chips / drink set is?

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1443177]My questions are:what have you been doing in ISG during the last months? How did you put together 76 posts and you ask this question?

Will you ask on a tourist forum whether McDonald is better than Burger King and what the price of a burger / chips / drink set is?[/QUOTE]Hahahaha shitty question. Nice answer.

I would reply like this:

Ohh yes, the nana park girls are the best in terms of service, rest assured. Go ahead try and then tell us your own personal experience.

For me it has been great so far.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1443205]"Ohh yes, the nana park girls are the best in terms of service, rest assured. Go ahead try and then tell us your own personal experience".[/QUOTE]Welllll If You look at his post history, it is all about questions as such. Must be very insecure guy to have only questions.

It is not a matters of flaming on newbies or what. We had very decent reports from people with 5 post history, we have lurkers who keep quiet and learn or absorb from experience from the others. True they might not payback, but they also not fill the threads of such questions.

I mean, do one who has been on ISG for a while, and in the Thai forums, to learn about Nana car Park FL's through you tube?

Stunning is also a very personal judgement and you need that definition taken from a video to decide to pick up a girl for shagging her, be it ST or LT? I don't think one picks up a girl from there to discuss the fate of the world or bring her back home to show the parents. So nice she is good or decent looking, if stunning (according to what standard?) the better. But as you said, pick her up and report back. Or will he keep the feedback for himself waiting some other comrade as him comes out with a question?

Bier garden as Nana Car Park offers different levels of FL'. There is people stating BG is full of old dogs. Lots not in their prime, very true, but lots of them with decently maintained bodies and not starfish, the most important thing.

Same is at Nana, different ages for different folks. Different services for different standards.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1443118]No comparison at all. I have been there twice 2 years ago. The places with the best variety are the 'fishtank' establishments (e. G. Cleopatra) where about 100 + girls sit behind a huge glass screen for you to choose from. Half of them are remarkably attractive, but those I brought to the rooms turned out disastrous. The soapy body to body massages that they provide before the act were great though. I did not dare to go to the Soi Cowboi area as the local mafia might beat you up.[/QUOTE]Sorry mate, but your comments on BKK are ludicrus.

This is the FKK thread, so I will not elaborate her but I advised any interested reader to go and read the bakkok thread of the FF.

Soi cowboy is far safer than the RLD in Amsterdam for insatnce.

Wether you like BKK more than FKKs is nothing more than a personal opinion. I have been every year to both places repeatedly since 5-6 years, and I don't have an opinion. I enjoy both when I am around.

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1443167]Saw some videos of Nana parking lot freelancers on the Internet. The video was recent and many of the freelancers looked attractive. My question is what are the ST / LT rates (do they even go long time?). And do thy usually give good service or are their many con artist amongst them?[/QUOTE]You obviously know where to find the girls.

Then my answer only can be: "Learning by doing".

FV

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1443106]I've been thinking about heading over to Bangkok one of these trips but was curious what the scene is like compared to the fkk scene. Anybody here have any input? I've been reading some of the reports in the Thailand section, jotting down notes and considering a possible trip. As we all know with the fkk clubs, there isn't a huge selection of asian girls around the fkk scene. I was looking at some of the photo's guys put up in the Thailand section and to be honest I wasn't too impressed, that is until I saw some youtube video of the girls working at some of these clubs (soi cowboy etc). This video.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjnt6hOyjE[/url]

At the 1:20 mark. 2:00 mark. 2:12 mark to show a couple of girls got me thinking it wouldn't be a bad place to check out.

What's the scene like in Bangkok and Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I don't know Pattaya. Its cheaper but likely to be less classy girls there. BKK is certainly still cheap in comparison to FKK. Taking a girl for 2 hours could cost you about 50-60 Euros. All night for 100 Euros. I have great fun taking two or three girls at a time from Suzi Wong in Soi Cowboy for Bi-sexual action, where as I do not take more than a single girl per time in FKK. Lesbian show at Suzi Wong is worth seeing. Oily Massage and Soapy massage places are more hit and miss, so check reviews in the forum. Even though BKK is more hit and miss than FKK overall, its cheap enough that if you get the wrong girl, just kick her out, and go get another one.

For an extended mongering binge of several successive days or more, BKK is definitely going to hurt your wallet less than FKK. If you like Thai girls, at all in the FKKs, then BKK is like a must try! Soi Cowboy is not dangerous at all contrary to what TT123 wrote. I always feel safe in Thailand. Don't go looking for trouble, as you can find it if you try to. Always try to be polite in Thailand, its the Thai way.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1443125]To elaborate, what was not evident in the youtube video is that once the girls have lured you into into shop, there will be bouncers guarding the door which you then cannot exit without paying an exhorbitant sum of money for drinks.[/QUOTE]What you refer to sounds like the Pat pong of several years ago. They have tried to rip me off many years ago but I refused. I don't go there anymore. Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza are safe.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1443118]No comparison at all. I have been there twice 2 years ago. The places with the best variety are the 'fishtank' establishments (e. G. Cleopatra) where about 100 + girls sit behind a huge glass screen for you to choose from. Half of them are remarkably attractive, but those I brought to the rooms turned out disastrous. The soapy body to body massages that they provide before the act were great though. I did not dare to go to the Soi Cowboi area as the local mafia might beat you up.[/QUOTE]Which Cleopatra?"The Cleopatra" in Chinatown is a pretty crap place and I don't think has a large fishtank. Small selection of low quality girls. Cleopatra Soapy in Din Daeng road was far better but has been closed for several years.

Try to write more based on your actual experiences so it will start to gel with the reality a bit. There are some good Soapies but your example case seems to be a poor choice.

As for not daring to go to Soi Cowboy, you obviously have been scared off by false rumours. Its a fun place for me. I have no problems there at all except to keep control of my own wayward behaviour.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1443326]Cleopatra Soapy in Din Daeng road was far better but has been closed for several years.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I am truly out of date. I was referring to the Din Daeng soapy. But I did meet a traveller on a plane out of Bangkok who told me he was beaten up at a joint at Soi Cowboy and showed me his bruises. Maybe he misbehaved.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1443127]On the social Thai ladder the only thing worse than being a prostitute is being a prostitutes customer. LOL.[/QUOTE]I didn't jump on the bandwagon of bashing you yet, but if you could just stop posting two-liners of non-sense or no-content that would be great.

Use your eyes, the luxury cars parked outside the best Bangkok soapies (remember these cost 4 times their price in Western countries, but that in Thailand the average wage is 4 times smaller) , indicates that their owners, parked inside between a pro's legs, are hardly low in the social ladder. Unless you believe that is Skogies and Sir Lancelot driving them all. It also happens that sometime these rich men take a fancy on a girl and set her up as mistress or "Mia Noi", giving her all what she wants.

[quote]I really don't understand how some guys think they are doing the girls a big favor by using them. To the girls it's just business. Truth be told I bet money the girls wouldn't give us time of day.[/QUOTE]We do do them a favor by chosing any individual one over the many others. In my profession, I may think I'm the best of the best, still when a new or repeated customer choose me and pays the bill I'm thankful, because nobody forced him to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1443321]I don't know Pattaya. Its cheaper but likely to be less classy girls there. BKK is certainly still cheap in comparison to FKK. Taking a girl for 2 hours could cost you about 50-60 Euros. All night for 100 Euros. I have great fun taking two or three girls at a time from Suzi Wong in Soi Cowboy for Bi-sexual action, where as I do not take more than a single girl per time in FKK. Lesbian show at Suzi Wong is worth seeing. Oily Massage and Soapy massage places are more hit and miss, so check reviews in the forum. Even though BKK is more hit and miss than FKK overall, its cheap enough that if you get the wrong girl, just kick her out, and go get another one.[/QUOTE]I've got enough airmiles for a free ticket to Germany (60k airmiles). I looked and to fly my ass to Bangkok and back is 65k airmiles. Funny thing is the flight lands in Frankfurt before continuing on to Bangkok. My thoughts are to use the airmiles and then try to extend my stay in Frankfurt. Even if I have to pay $100 to change the flight it would be worth it to kill two birds with one stone. As to the cost the sex is about the same, your just getting more time for your money. But the scene does look interesting enough to check out at least once.

[QUOTE=TankTank123;1443125]To elaborate, what was not evident in the youtube video is that once the girls have lured you into into shop, there will be bouncers guarding the door which you then cannot exit without paying an exhorbitant sum of money for drinks. The large 'fish tank' establishments (they have more rooms than Oase, Palace or Artemis) are safe, as they are more open and there are large numbers of customers.[/QUOTE]I've been reading the Thailand forum and watching some youtube video's and there is a video where your given advice on what to do, etc. One key piece of advice was to always stay in the main bar, never go up any stairs to a hidden area. Guy in the video said they'll try to get you up to see a ping pong ball being shot out of some girls vagina and say you have to buy two 100 baht drinks. But the bill will come back saying its 6, 000 bahts for two drinks. This might be what your thinking of.

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1443167]Saw some videos of Nana parking lot freelancers on the Internet. The video was recent and many of the freelancers looked attractive. My question is what are the ST / LT rates (do they even go long time?). And do thy usually give good service or are their many con artist amongst them?[/QUOTE]Someone posted the same video here recently. I wonder if Harold has seen it yet and how he graded them. LOL.

With a simple & accurate reply, let me save you many hours reading the forums (RTF) for the answer to your queries, which would be like looking for a needle in the haystack.

Generally the price for ST is 1000 baht. It has been unchanged & like that since 2007, at least, unlike the ever changing gogo scene. Some girls may ask 1200 or 1500, especially if they are very hot (like top 3 Rainbow 4 material). With a little bargaining skills you may find you can bring the price down. I once had a girl bring it down three times from 1500 to 1000 in less than 30 seconds. If the occasional girl quotes you 2000, feel free to laugh in her face.

Regarding LT I haven't done that in years, & it may be going out of style, but all things are possible. I'm sure some girls will do it, especially if they like you or you make it worth their time. Depnding on various factors like how many hours you expect them to spend with you & what you require them to do, you could work with 2000 baht as a rough figure.

Concerning good service that would depend on your definition of the term. I'd say your odds are better than in a gogo where you'll pay 3 times as much. But again it largely depends on you and your manners as to what you will get & sometimes I've run into con artists. Fortunately you pay these girls after a session, so if they have provided no service or not lived up to what you agreed to with them beforehand, feel free to not pay them anything or pay them according to what they deserve. You can warn them of this in advance. It's easy enough to throw a lame assed fish back into the pond and pick up another one who will probably make you happy.

If the con artist says her mouth is too tired to continue a BBBJ after 2 minutes, tell her your hand is too lazy to get your wallet.

If she agreed before to a 30 minute BBBJ but only does 10 minutes, then maybe pay her 300 baht or nothing. Up to you.

To encourage her to give an amazing BBBJ instead of a lousy one, you could offer her a big tip if she gives excellent service.

[QUOTE=Breadman;1443106]I was looking at some of the photo's guys put up in the Thailand section and to be honest I wasn't too impressed.[/QUOTE]I had the same kind of reaction before I went to Brazil the first time. I never would have gone if I had relied on the pics of many others. Well, I finally did go and was blown away by the experience. And I learned a valuable lesson. Never decide whether or not to go to a place on a mongering trip based on somebody else's ugly pics! Some guys have taste. Some don't. Those that don't? They'll travel halfway around the world and still end up with a dog. And they think they've found Heaven! There were a number of attractive girls in that clip you posted. Those are the ones that a gentlemen with taste would be humping on. Not the ones in the ugly pics you see.

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1443363]As to the cost the sex is about the same, your just getting more time for your money. But the scene does look interesting enough to check out at least once.

I've been reading the Thailand forum and watching some youtube video's and there is a video where your given advice on what to do, etc. One key piece of advice was to always stay in the main bar, never go up any stairs to a hidden area. Guy in the video said they'll try to get you up to see a ping pong ball being shot out of some girls vagina and say you have to buy two 100 baht drinks. But the bill will come back saying its 6, 000 bahts for two drinks. This might be what your thinking of.[/QUOTE]You say cost of the sex is the same. This is somewhat true if you are a 30 minute quickie enthusiast although can get a quickie for half the price when consider all the overheads. As I like to take long sessions with girls, Thailand is far cheaper than FKK for me.

The rip off type bars are in Pat Pong district. I haven't seen this for years as haven't been there except to known "good" bars. In Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, no one will try to sting you. So as long as stick to the right bar areas, there is no problem at all. Going upstairs, not a problem. Okay customers are not so welcome, if they try to watch many shows and sit on a single drink for the entire night, taking up valuable seating space, but this only applies to the stingiest type of guys you can find. Any reasonable customer will be well treated.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1443350]I didn't jump on the bandwagon of bashing you yet, but if you could just stop posting two-liners of non-sense or no-content that would be great.[/QUOTE]Marcos,

Harald444 is what Jackson called a "serial antagonist", years ago, when Jackson stilled cared about the forum.

Besides the fact that most of Harold's posts are replies and have no content at all he is just enjoying that people react to his stupid nonsense. He does not know much about Thailand. You just proofed it. And - the ISG is not the first forum he is penetrating with his nonsense.

The best what readers can do is to simply ignore his posts or add him to their ignore list. And DON'T REPLY AT ALL. If he does not get any attention he will disappear. He is definitely not worth a reply. Just another complete idiot.


Giotto

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1443324]What you refer to sounds like the Pat pong of several years ago. They have tried to rip me off many years ago but I refused. I don't go there anymore. Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza are safe.[/QUOTE]That certainly does sound more like Patpong but Nana and Soi Cowboy are a different breed. Right now Cowboy is losing favor. There're a number of clubs there managed byt someone colourfully referred to as "The Arab" and he's turned these clubs into Coyote bars, more for the Arabic or Japanese customers. You'll get pulled in with hotties at the door but what ends up happening is that you'll spend plenty of dosh on lady drinks and the girl will never leave the establishment. Google "Soi Cowboy" with "The Arab" and see what I mean.

I've been going down there for nearly a decade now and watched the changes closely.

Right now, if you want to party in Bangkok, Nana is the place....but who only wants to party in Bangkok? Some people say that Pattaya doesn't have the the same beautiful women, and then they'd be wrong. The are far more gogos, dance clubs, massage parlours, blowjob bars or beer bars (or blowjob AND beer bars) with all variety of women available in Patts. It's also less expensive and has a (crap) beach, but there are golf courses, water parts, movies, beer bars...did I mention beer bars? :) Also don't be a putz and overspend - Bangkok Gogo girls wil get 2.5-3K baht longtime, 1.5-2K baht shortime; knock about 1K off each number in Pattaya. There are some great blow-job bars on the 6 that do ST for 600 baht.

Yes - there are girls who think themselves stunners and want more - but guess what? There's another pretty woman right behind the first, and if you have to haggle on price you're not going to have a good time in the room. There are plenty who'll take 1.5K-2K longtime and be very happy with it.

When I hit town I usually monger down there and give Bangkok a miss. AMA.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1443350]Use your eyes, the luxury cars parked outside the best Bangkok soapies (remember these cost 4 times their price in Western countries, but that in Thailand the average wage is 4 times smaller) , indicates that their owners, parked inside between a pro's legs, are hardly low in the social ladder. Unless you believe that is Skogies and Sir Lancelot driving them all. It also happens that sometime these rich men take a fancy on a girl and set her up as mistress or "Mia Noi", giving her all what she wants.[/QUOTE]Many of our countries have pushed us into a corner of the lowest of the low in terms of social morality. Mongers and providers are one of the groups at the bottom. The group is populated by those with luxury cars and most have no car at all.

You guys are talking about two different social ladders.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1443376]Someone posted the same video here recently. I wonder if Harold has seen it yet and how he graded them. LOL.

With a simple & accurate reply, let me save you many hours reading the forums (RTF) for the answer to your queries, which would be like looking for a needle in the haystack.

Generally the price for ST is 1000 baht. It has been unchanged & like that since 2007, at least, unlike the ever changing gogo scene. Some girls may ask 1200 or 1500, especially if they are very hot (like top 3 Rainbow 4 material). With a little bargaining skills you may find you can bring the price down. I once had a girl bring it down three times from 1500 to 1000 in less than 30 seconds. If the occasional girl quotes you 2000, feel free to laugh in her face...[/QUOTE]PinkPearl, thanks, this is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. Haven't been to Thailand in years and have been reading (with great sorry) of the decline of the scene there (especially in Pattaya and go-go's in particular)

I hope to have some reports for the forum in the near future!

[QUOTE=Giotto;1443388]Harold444 is what Jackson called a "serial antagonist", years ago, when Jackson stilled cared about the forum. Besides the fact that most of Harold's posts are replies and have no content at all he is just enjoying that people react to his stupid nonsense. He does not know much about Thailand. The best what readers can do is to simply ignore his posts or add him to their ignore list. And DON'T REPLY AT ALL. If he does not get any attention he will disappear. He is definitely not worth a reply. Just another complete idiot. Giotto[/QUOTE]While I do whole-heartedly agree with what you say about our unfortunate friend Harold, it should also be remembered that this is a forum to exchange information. If we all ignore him then newcomers may actually believe the nonsense he comes out with.

Also those people who have put him on their 'ignore list' are missing out massively. His reports on his current trip are comedy gold.

A month in Bangkok, he visits Rainbow 4 nearly every night and he's had just one 50 minute short-time so far. He describes the lucky girl in question as his favourite (in his words '7 months of adoring her and paying good baht for the privilege'). Mr Prolific bar-fines her and heading back to his hotel he remarks to her that if she continues to put on restrictions (apparently she 'cut off all access to her nipples') he will be 'ready and willing to barfine number 84'. I'll hand over to Harold to describe how it panned out: "She stopped cold in her tracks. In the taxi all of a sudden she wasn't the pleasent girl she was 10 minutes earlier. This is where I think I found out why she reacts the way she does sometimes. She is a low self-esteem kind of person."

Seems he's as charismatic in real life as he is on this forum!

G'day mates.

Having problems trying to hook up with girls on TLL (Thai Love Links).

All of them just want to marry a farang. Now we would obviously want to try several before we buy.

Any tips on the types of profiles to look for and what to say to bed them first and make up my mind over time?

Thanks Heaps

GF just told me of an incident, perhaps on Sukhumvit near the Thong Lo area? May have happened this last Saturday or Sunday.

Taxi driver and farang passenger got into a fight, supposedly over the princely sum of 60 baht. Passenger accused driver of cheating him. Driver objected. Passenger threw coffee onto driver. Driver escalates and pulls knife, stabs and kills the passenger.

Anybody heard of this? True story? Embellished?

What idiot gets into a pissing contest over 2usd?

Yes it is very true. And not just a knife but more like a Samurai sword or something close to it. There is a VDO of the attack from some security camera.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/358783/cabbie-charged-with-killing-american

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1443652]GF just told me of an incident, perhaps on Sukhumvit near the Thong Lo area? May have happened this last Saturday or Sunday.

Taxi driver and farang passenger got into a fight, supposedly over the princely sum of 60 baht. Passenger accused driver of cheating him. Driver objected. Passenger threw coffee onto driver. Driver escalates and pulls knife, stabs and kills the passenger.

Anybody heard of this? True story? Embellished?

What idiot gets into a pissing contest over 2usd?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1443652]GF just told me of an incident, perhaps on Sukhumvit near the Thong Lo area? May have happened this last Saturday or Sunday.

Taxi driver and farang passenger got into a fight, supposedly over the princely sum of 60 baht. Passenger accused driver of cheating him. Driver objected. Passenger threw coffee onto driver. Driver escalates and pulls knife, stabs and kills the passenger.

Anybody heard of this? True story? Embellished?

What idiot gets into a pissing contest over 2usd?[/QUOTE]Slow motion for me, slow motion for me, move in slow motion for me.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/651819-farang-got-stabbed/page-11#entry6586991[/url]

Hope he was not an ISG member.

[url]http://www.pattaya-funtown.com/news.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1443658]Yes it is very true. And not just a knife but more like a Samurai sword or something close to it. There is a VDO of the attack from some security camera.

[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/358783/cabbie-charged-with-killing-american[/url][/QUOTE]Wow. WTF?

There had to be some alcohol involved.

The stories claim the guy was a several-year resident of TH and spoke Thai fluently. He sure didn't know much about the Thai psyche, did he? Assuming, of course, that the story is true. The Thais tend to be pretty easygoing, and they take an amazing amount of crap from foreigners. But once you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off, look out!

I'm not blaming the victim, but 51 baht? Really? Some battles just aren't worth fighting.

I wonder what will happen to the cabbie. If his relatives have a bit of dough, we know already.

Hi all, I'm new here but thought I'd share this info.

A few months ago I visited BK, nana and cowboy. Good times, but was in a bar in Nana when I spotted to young looking girls dancing. They bothe had numbers. I'm quite familiar with asian girls and when I see a young one I'm pretty good at telling roughly how old (roughly for the purposes of not ending up at the hilton that is!) These 2 looked suspect. So I call another dancer over buy her a drink and get chatting. I ask her how old the girls are becuase to me they seem young. Without any sense of guilt or shame or concern she says one is 16, the other 17. These girls are showing their stuff off under black mini-mini skirts, no pantys. Guess even school girls need Iphones these days.

Head to another bar, same thing 15 and 17. These 2 didn't have number tags on though and weren't panty-less.

It was only after I got back around the same time that a well known thai expat website author also commented on the apparent use of very young girls here. So buyer beware! Anyone know if this is still happening?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1443384]Pablo Escobar made billions off cocaine-whatever. I doubt anyone in his country respected him. Certain professions are just like that.

You make it sound like a lot of girls are making out like bandits. Can the dr BJ confirm this. My eyes tell me a few do most don't.[/QUOTE]Firstly you are completely wrong about Pablo. He is still revered to this day in Medellin, many years after his death, because of his charitable contributions including Hospitals, Schools, Nurseries and sports training facilities.

Secondly I cannot confirm or deny your point because, as is often the case, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Regards,

BJ

The video is amazing. From what little is shown, the American seems to be the aggressor even though the Thai is wielding the machete. Trayvon Martin - George Zimmerman Thai style. The Thai will definitely lawyer up and claim self defense even though he had to go to the trunk to get the machete which indicates premeditation 1st degree murder or manslaughter at the very least. Although nothing justifies this murder, I think the American is partly to blame for his untimely demise. He seems to have made a series of bad moves one right after the other: #1 Never show your anger or disgust and never lose your cool with a Thai national. Keep a stiff upper lip and stay above the fray. #2 Just give the guy the baht and get out. #3 Never throw anything at a Thai or get physical unless there is absolutely no alternative and no escape. And #4 When the Machete made its appearance, the American should have placed a couple hundred bhat on the ground and given the Thai the Wei sign to show he, the American had no weapon and wanted to go in peace. #4 is a little murky since we do not have video of the beginning of the altercation. At this point, the Thai may not have given the American any choice but to stand and fight or the American may have become incensed that the Thai was threatening him with a machete. In any case, The American must have been drinking or something. He really lost his cool and look what happened; he contributed to his own death. Very sad. Although we do not know everything, it looks like it all could have been avoided.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1442870]Remember (some years ago) your descriptive stories while you where in Bangkok.

Hope you return soon and start posting.[/QUOTE]Very nice of you to say, Somewhere. I have indeed been out of the game for three long, grueling years, but I'm on my way back. Planning a 9 day work / monger trip for early August. Stay tuned for those long, drawn-out reports.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1443620]I actually agree with this guys concept. If one doesn't point out PPs absurdness regarding the quality of Parking lot girls (Nana that is) guys may actually believe they can get top quality agogo type girls for 1200 baht.[/QUOTE]Do you park at the NCP 24/7? It's no skin off my nose if you believe me or not. Up to you. I've provided the evidence, lookalike photos, vids, etc, versus nothing. Who to believe, H444 the short quicky guy, as suggested by your 444 name, or ISG members PP, Lancelot, Linkwray666? This is going to be a tough decision, but not for informed intelligent sensible no nonsense readers. LOL.

I have nothing to gain from posting the facts since 07, except good karma for giving back to a forum that has given to me. If I were banned tomorrow I'd lose nothing & be just a taker like you & not a giver. There is no streetwalker union paying me to post about them. Obviously the gogos like R4 wouldn't be offering me a salary to constantly mention outdoor freelancers, some of whom are their ex employees. Could it be ISG is paying you to incite many people to post useful info here? IMO the forum has been better with you here, as the pot stirer, like as in the days of old, of OTH. Like you, he, too, was accused of being a serial antagonist. But you clearly and obviously fit the name.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1443552]The Nana parking lot sounds a lot like Pattaya. LOL.[/QUOTE]A Bangkok gogo girl tell you this? LOL

I know it has been posted. A Thai taxi driver has been arrested over the murder of an American man, who he allegedly killed over a $1. 60 taxi fare.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358114/Bangkok-taxi-driver-arrested-hacking-American-Troy-Lee-Pilkington-death.html[/url]

I get tired of hearing Tourist all over wanting to fight with Drivers, it sure isn't worth being hacked to death, Just Saying.

[QUOTE=MoneyShot; 1443975]I know it has been posted. A Thai taxi driver has been arrested over the murder of an American man, who he allegedly killed over a $1. 60 taxi fare.

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358114/Bangkok-taxi-driver-arrested-hacking-American-Troy-Lee-Pilkington-death.html[/url]

I get tired of hearing Tourist all over wanting to fight with Drivers, it sure isn't worth being hacked to death, Just Saying.[/QUOTE]I'm sure many of us have had our arguments with thai taxi drivers but an American, who had lived there a couple of years should know that it is never a good idea to get physical with them. There are many kinds of taxi drivers, many might carry knifes or guns that can end your life very quickly. It is best just to choose a driver who seems reliable and if he tries to cheat just tell him and maybe get out if necessary and if he insists just give him 40-50 baht and look for another cab, there are thousands of them. Some drivers look like they are on drugs so who knows what might happen if you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off. Your life is worth a lot more than 50 baht or something.

[QUOTE=Pekkakoo;1443989]I'm sure many of us have had our arguments with thai taxi drivers but an American, who had lived there a couple of years should know that it is never a good idea to get physical with them. There are many kinds of taxi drivers, many might carry knifes or guns that can end your life very quickly. It is best just to choose a driver who seems reliable and if he tries to cheat just tell him and maybe get out if necessary and if he insists just give him 40-50 baht and look for another cab, there are thousands of them. Some drivers look like they are on drugs so who knows what might happen if you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off. Your life is worth a lot more than 50 baht or something.[/QUOTE]The problem with this story is that unless you were in the car or the cab was equipped with a camera or recording device, you don't know what happened. We don't know if he actually assaulted the taxi driver with coffee and we may never know as he is no longer here. What we have is the taxi driver's word and he is an accused killer so you know he will try to portray himself as the reasonable taxi driver and the deceased victim as the aggressive and unreasonable perpetrator. There is much we don't know, perhaps the dispute was about more than the fare or he tried to charge more than the metered price. Hard to get the real scoop about something like this when the only version being presented is from a person with a lot to lose while the other side is dead silent.

[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1443997]The problem with this story is that unless you were in the car or the cab was equipped with a camera or recording device, you don't know what happened.[/quote]Actuall, we know very well, a younger armed man has killed another with a deadly weapon over a trivial matter. Sadly, a very common fact.

[quote]We don't know if he actually assaulted the taxi driver with coffee.[/quote]Hmm, there is no such thing like "assault with coffee".

[quote]And we may never know as he is no longer here. What we have is the taxi driver's word and he is an accused killer so you know he will try to portray himself as the reasonable taxi driver and the deceased victim as the aggressive and unreasonable perpetrator. There is much we don't know, perhaps the dispute was about more than the fare or he tried to charge more than the metered price. Hard to get the real scoop about something like this when the only version being presented is from a person with a lot to lose while the other side is dead silent.[/QUOTE]Justice can be administered without the "Real scoop". The only question is how much prison the driver will serve, and that depends on a lot of factors that have little to do with the fact itself. But the excruciating details about the argument do not matter mich, and I agree with the principle. Per Thai law, the fact alone that he has confessed, automatically amounts to a penality reduction.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1443954]Do you park at the NCP 24/7? It's no skin off my nose if you believe me or not. Up to you. I've provided the evidence, lookalike photos, vids, etc, versus nothing. Who to believe, H444 the short quicky guy, as suggested by your 444 name, or ISG members PP, Lancelot, Linkwray666? This is going to be a tough decision, but not for informed intelligent sensible no nonsense readers. LOL.

I have nothing to gain from posting the facts since 07, except good karma for giving back to a forum that has given to me. If I were banned tomorrow I'd lose nothing & be just a taker like you & not a giver. There is no streetwalker union paying me to post about them. Obviously the gogos like R4 wouldn't be offering me a salary to constantly mention outdoor freelancers, some of whom are their ex employees. Could it be ISG is paying you to incite many people to post useful info here? IMO the forum has been better with you here, as the pot stirer, like as in the days of old, of OTH. Like you, he, too, was accused of being a serial antagonist. But you clearly and obviously fit the name.

A Bangkok gogo girl tell you this? LOL[/QUOTE]In all due respect PP, I've in the past have always felt you might have been the one that went to Jackson and got OTH banned? Lately and especially with this response putting him in the catagory with OTH, you really got to be kidding?

Anyone having the time to do research as to what OTH expressed could see that this guy couldn't carry a candle whether you agree with him or not he had much more to say if one would at least open their minds to listen instead of just be offended. OTH had what 2/3 thousand post this guy started as we all with (0) and it is the same old same old LOL posting.

Sorry but you got to be kidding?

LBM

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1444008]Actuall, we know very well, a younger armed man has killed another with a deadly weapon over a trivial matter. Sadly, a very common fact.

Hmm, there is no such thing like "assault with coffee".

Justice can be administered without the "Real scoop". The only question is how much prison the driver will serve, and that depends on a lot of factors that have little to do with the fact itself. But the excruciating details about the argument do not matter mich, and I agree with the principle. Per Thai law, the fact alone that he has confessed, automatically amounts to a penality reduction.[/QUOTE]Stick to the stuff you know like LB ranting and being the Forum Nanny. If a LB threw coffee in your face that would be... Oh never mind, you're not worth it.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1444019]Stick to the stuff you know like LB rant and being the Forum Nanny. If a LB threw coffee in your face that would be. Oh never mind, you're not worth it.[/QUOTE]So, you said your opinion, I said mine, but I'm "not worth it". Way to go man, congrats.

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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1444014]In all due respect PP, I've in the past have always felt you might have been the one that went to Jackson and got OTH banned? Lately and especially with this response putting him in the catagory with OTH, you really got to be kidding?

Anyone having the time to do research as to what OTH expressed could see that this guy couldn't carry a candle whether you agree with him or not he had much more to say if one would at least open their minds to listen instead of just be offended. OTH had what 2/3 thousand post this guy started as we all with (0) and it is the same old same old LOL posting.

Sorry but you got to be kidding?

LBM[/QUOTE]I was a huge fan & defender of OTH. Fact is he got under people's skin. Harold gets to people too, but for different reasons.

OTH was taken seriously, but I doubt even Mr444 takes himself seriously.

OTH was too serious for & unhappy in & with Thailand, but H444 might just be silly enough to survive it, if he's ever even been there.

OTH was a scholar. 444 like the court jester & devil's advocate rolled into one.

In most ways the two are like day & night.

[quote=pekkakoo;1443989]i'm sure many of us have had our arguments with thai taxi drivers but an american, who had lived there a couple of years should know that it is never a good idea to get physical with them. there are many kinds of taxi drivers, many might carry knifes or guns that can end your life very quickly. it is best just to choose a driver who seems reliable and if he tries to cheat just tell him and maybe get out if necessary and if he insists just give him 40-50 baht and look for another cab, there are thousands of them. some drivers look like they are on drugs so who knows what might happen if you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off. your life is worth a lot more than 50 baht or something.[/quote]i hope he at least has his license suspended. that will teach him not to kill tourists.

about 5 months back i was walking on soi 6 towards soi 4 and about 60 yards ahead i could see 2 elderly farangs and a thai gf have to rush across the street so that a taxi turning on to soi 6 did not hit them. one of the guys had words for the taxi driver. they continued to trade words as they walked towards me and the taxi slowed down to a crawl to keep abreast of the farang. my reaction was that trouble was brewing and the farang should just keep his mouth shut even if he was in the right. they pass me and 10 seconds later i hear a wretched scream from the gf and turn around and see that the taxi driver had snuck behind the farang (easily over 70 years) and smashed in his head with a tire iron. the farang lay crumpled on the sidewalk bleeding profusely and the driver scooted back into his taxi and drove away. this was done right in front of the sukhumvit grande where a bunch of taxi drivers wait for their suckers and they all gathered around the guy on the ground pointing fingers at him and taunting him as the gf was screaming. surprisingly they didn't kick a farang who was down and unconscious. i have seen that before. free kick time on farangs. it could be a popular tv show here. some times you get a scary disturbing peek into what so many thai's really think of us.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1443942]I have indeed been out of the game for three long, grueling years, but I'm on my way back. Planning a nine-day trip for early August. Stay tuned for those long, drawn-out reports.[/QUOTE]This definitely made my day.

Welcome back Kumbu. Looking forward to reading your (always most excellent) reports.

Bunky

Don't know if this is the right place but does anyone have a clue how to reach money quickly from India to a guy stuck in BKK after losing all his debit / credit / forex cards. And no, the answer is not western union money transfer because while money can move from Thailand to India, vice versa is not possible.

What about FedEx?

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444265]Don't know if this is the right place but does anyone have a clue how to reach money quickly from India to a guy stuck in BKK after losing all his debit / credit / forex cards. And no, the answer is not western union money transfer because while money can move from Thailand to India, vice versa is not possible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444265]Don't know if this is the right place but does anyone have a clue how to reach money quickly from India to a guy stuck in BKK after losing all his debit / credit / forex cards. And no, the answer is not western union money transfer because while money can move from Thailand to India, vice versa is not possible.[/QUOTE]I definitely remember some commercials where a guy lost his credit card in the middle of a jungle and it was replaced within 24 hours (brought to him by a man on the back of an elephant, no less).

Jokes aside, did he contact his embassy or consulate? If his family can bring some money to the Foreign Office at home, the local embassy can pass it on to him.

[quote=drronin;1444150]free kick time on farangs. it could be a popular tv show here. some times you get a scary disturbing peek into what so many thai's really think of us.[/quote]yes, and things like this also give you a scary glimpse into the thai psyche in general.

the thais, overall, seem to be pretty gentle and easygoing. they put up with an incredible amount of shit from foreign barbarians. but when you finally [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off the violence is incredible. their penchant for kicking the shit out of some poor bastard who's already down is mystifying to westerners, imho. but i've seen them do it to farang as well as thai.

thailand is most definitely not the place to go around picking fights.

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444265]Don't know if this is the right place but does anyone have a clue how to reach money quickly from India to a guy stuck in BKK after losing all his debit / credit / forex cards. And no, the answer is not Western Union money transfer because while money can move from Thailand to India, vice versa is not possible.[/QUOTE]Try Paypal.

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444265]Don't know if this is the right place but does anyone have a clue how to reach money quickly from India to a guy stuck in BKK after losing all his debit / credit / forex cards. And no, the answer is not western union money transfer because while money can move from Thailand to India, vice versa is not possible.[/QUOTE]Is this serious? Do you know how many scams I've seen that followed the exact same script? On vacation, got robbed at gunpoint, have no credit cards, no money, no nothing. Need help, send money. Really?

If you have a credit card (AmEx, Visa) you can get it replaced within a matter of days by contacting the local office of said card. It's happened to a friend of mine, so I know it can be done. If one's passport is stolen, one contacts one's embassy and they'll assist in obtaining a replacement.

This whole story reeks of bullshit, no offense intended.

[QUOTE=NiceBloke; 1443619]G'day mates.

Having problems trying to hook up with girls on TLL (Thai Love Links).

All of them just want to. Now we would obviously want to try several before we buy.

Any tips on the types of profiles to look for and what to say to bed them first and make up my mind over time?

Thanks Heaps[/QUOTE]Do you really want to buy something is is easy to try? Easy come, easy go. Sounds like you only want to try. It far better to save that time to earn income, and visit a massage place instead.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1444298]Is this serious? Do you know how many scams I've seen that followed the exact same script? On vacation, got robbed at gunpoint, have no credit cards, no money, no nothing. Need help, send money. Really?

If you have a credit card (AmEx, Visa) you can get it replaced within a matter of days by contacting the local office of said card. It's happened to a friend of mine, so I know it can be done. If one's passport is stolen, one contacts one's embassy and they'll assist in obtaining a replacement.

This whole story reeks of bullshit, no offense intended.[/QUOTE]All my credit / debitcards and its providers will provide me with first emergency cash guaranteed within 24hrs or as soon as first official trustable bank opens (so in reality faster than 24hrs). Secondly they will replace my card in "distress" with a new one no matter where I am in the world (atleast in 1 and 2 world countries). But maby Indian bank / moneyrelations are a bit more conflictful I would not know. But based on the post here, so it seems.

My embassy don't handle moneyissues for its citizens whatsoever as a mainrule. There are exceptions but loosing money, beeing robbed is not one of them. So if this is not some sort of well uorganized scam I wish this dude the best of luck.

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1443167]Saw some videos of Nana parking lot freelancers on the Internet. The video was recent and many of the freelancers looked attractive. My question is what are the ST / LT rates (do they even go long time?). And do thy usually give good service or are their many con artist amongst them?[/QUOTE]I will answer your question only because I don't want you going there not knowing the rates over paying and then driving up the price for the rest of us. Short time rates for ALL free lancers is 1000 Bhat and long time is 1500, I never felt the right connection with any of the free lancers so I have never taken any for long time. But they are ok for a short time release.

Chris

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1444316]All my credit / debitcards and its providers will provide me with first emergency cash guaranteed within 24hrs or as soon as first official trustable bank opens (so in reality faster than 24hrs). Secondly they will replace my card in "distress" with a new one no matter where I am in the world (atleast in 1 and 2 world countries). But maby Indian bank / moneyrelations are a bit more conflictful I would not know. But based on the post here, so it seems.

My embassy don't handle moneyissues for its citizens whatsoever as a mainrule. There are exceptions but loosing money, beeing robbed is not one of them. So if this is not some sort of well uorganized scam I wish this dude the best of luck.[/QUOTE]Are not banks except in emergency repatriations against a guarantee of funds in the home country.

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this so please be easy on me. This is my first post. I met a girl called Nina at Rainbow 4 Nana plaza. She is very pretty say around 5'7 big natural boobs. Seen her a few times as she was really busy, as you can imagine not many these Thai ladies have nice big DD natural tear drop boobs. Anyway getting to the point does anyone else know of her, if she is working or has she moved to another club. She also worked in Phuket for a while. Any information or pictures would be a great help if anyone knows where she's working. Amazing service, best.

Thanks everyone

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1443942]Very nice of you to say, Somewhere. I have indeed been out of the game for three long, grueling years, but I'm on my way back. Planning a 9 day work / monger trip for early August. Stay tuned for those long, drawn-out reports.[/QUOTE]I will look forward to your upcoming reports; it was always a pleasure to read.

Relax guys! Got a friend in S'pore to Western union me some money that should make do. No, I have not been robbed (least of all at gunpoint). Ijust was stupid enough to keep all all my cards in the same wallet, a wallet that got picked. I now realize the importance of having my account in an international bank where they guarantee to replace my cards in any Tier-1 city within 24 hrs. My credit card is master card but my debit card is visa but still struggling to get that replaced. Its good to be circumspect / cynical but I never asked anyone for money. Just a modus operandi for transferring it to BKK. My passport is fine and so am I in an Admiral Premier room.

Now back to point, the glass box girls in Nataree are at 2k for 2 hrs (I took one yestd before taking a look at the ones inside). How much are the girls inside (on sofas / chairs)? They are smoking hot! I was told 3k to 5k for 90 mins.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1444298]Is this serious? Do you know how many scams I've seen that followed the exact same script? On vacation, got robbed at gunpoint, have no credit cards, no money, no nothing. Need help, send money. Really?

If you have a credit card (AmEx, Visa) you can get it replaced within a matter of days by contacting the local office of said card. It's happened to a friend of mine, so I know it can be done. If one's passport is stolen, one contacts one's embassy and they'll assist in obtaining a replacement.

This whole story reeks of bullshit, no offense intended.[/QUOTE]

Ahh. Could be an option. Don't know if that can be done but definitely did not try.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1444273]What about FedEx?[/QUOTE]

I will be in Bangkok next weekend. 19th. 21st July. And looking for a new friend or two to go out and find a few girls to bring back to the hotel for some group action. I usually go through agencies, but happy to pick-up from some nice bars if anyone knows where to go (I have never been to BK). Either way, just want to have a good time.

If you have any interest, send me a PM.

Any place in Bangkok to buy adult toys such as tenga brand from Japan? Please imdicate.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444546]Now back to point, the glass box girls in Nataree are at 2k for 2 hrs (I took one yestd before taking a look at the ones inside). How much are the girls inside (on sofas / chairs)? They are smoking hot! I was told 3k to 5k for 90 mins.[/QUOTE]You are correct that the girls in the sparsely populated fishbowl at Nataree cost 2000 baht. These tend to be the older girls. The vast majority of the girls sit in the lounge area on sofas. I wondered why they weren't in the fishbowl too but I suppose that's part of Nataree's charm, being shown around by the papasan and introduced to all of the sweetly smiling girls. All girls outside the fishbowl cost 2600 baht. It seems steep but as you saw there are some very pretty girls and to bar-fine a girl of similar quality for short-time from a gogo bar would cost 600 + 2000 = 2600 but of course you've also got to factor in the cost of your drinks and lady-drinks. You don't automatically get 2 hours with these younger girls though (might be something to specify with the papasan).

[QUOTE=Archetype; 1444546]Relax guys! Got a friend in S'pore to Western union me some money that should make do. No, I have not been robbed (least of all at gunpoint). Ijust was stupid enough to keep all all my cards in the same wallet, a wallet that got picked. I now realize the importance of having my account in an international bank where they guarantee to replace my cards in any Tier-1 city within 24 hrs. My credit card is master card but my debit card is visa but still struggling to get that replaced. Its good to be circumspect / cynical but I never asked anyone for money. Just a modus operandi for transferring it to BKK. My passport is fine and so am I in an Admiral Premier room.

Now back to point, the glass box girls in Nataree are at 2k for 2 hrs (I took one yestd before taking a look at the ones inside). How much are the girls inside (on sofas / chairs)? They are smoking hot! I was told 3k to 5k for 90 mins.[/QUOTE]Indeed that's the price. Some are rather new (newish to the business as in fewer than 50-100 cycles if I had to guess). Like brand new and 18.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1444316]All my credit / debitcards and its providers will provide me with first emergency cash guaranteed within 24hrs or as soon as first official trustable bank opens (so in reality faster than 24hrs). Secondly they will replace my card in "distress" with a new one no matter where I am in the world (atleast in 1 and 2 world countries). But maby Indian bank / moneyrelations are a bit more conflictful I would not know. But based on the post here, so it seems.

My embassy don't handle moneyissues for its citizens whatsoever as a mainrule. There are exceptions but loosing money, beeing robbed is not one of them. So if this is not some sort of well uorganized scam I wish this dude the best of luck.[/QUOTE]I left a Charles Schwab Bank (big USA broker / bank) debit card with "24 hour" replacement policy in a BKK atm machine. By the time I got in touch with the bank and accounting for time zone differences it was about 3 days before a FedEx express package with a new card showed up for me. The bank offered to immediately wire cash to a local BKK bank for me but I declined.

[QUOTE=JungFreud19;1444739]I will be in Bangkok next weekend. 19th. 21st July. And looking for a new friend or two to go out and find a few girls to bring back to the hotel for some group action. I usually go through agencies, but happy to pick-up from some nice bars if anyone knows where to go (I have never been to BK). Either way, just want to have a good time. If you have any interest, send me a PM.[/QUOTE]FYI. PM doesn't work unless you're a senior member. Common misconception.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1444775]I wondered why they weren't in the fishbowl too but I suppose that's part of Nataree's charm.[/QUOTE]I too was there not that long ago and wondered the same thing myself. My guess is because there are like 40 to 50 girls there at any time it might get too hot in the fishbowl (It may not be well ventilated) and this is why they changed the setup.

I had a girl named Ying or Ling (she looks Indian but she is not) it set me back 2600 baht for 90 minutes and I had a great time!

Would you guys be interested in my trip reports? I have put them on the "other" site but they are very long, since I can't start a new thread I felt unsure if you guys would appreciate it or felt that I would clutter up this thread.

Cheers,

Airlinecrew

[QUOTE=JungFreud19;1444739]I will be in Bangkok next weekend. 19th. 21st July. If you have any interest, send me a PM.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2182-Travel-Announcements-Only-[/url] (No-questions-or-comments-please)

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1444880]FYI. PM doesn't work unless you're a senior member. Common misconception.[/QUOTE]Unless yoy buy the subscription and that is what he has done. He does have PM facility.

I am not so sure you get a free PM in here jsut because you are a Sr member, otherwise how Jackson can make money?

You buy the subscription and you become a Sr member, you get PM facility and photo viewing (and banner free screen)

[QUOTE=DrivingForce;1444764]Any place in Bangkok to buy adult toys such as tenga brand from Japan? Please imdicate. Thanks[/QUOTE]All along Sukhumvit Road. Starting on the Robinson side (Soi 19) and walking towards Soi 4. Lots of toys available on the street now.

Such a happening place Bangkok is. This place is very slow. Need more excitement.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1444918]Unless yoy buy the subscription and that is what he has done. He does have PM facility.

I am not so sure you get a free PM in here jsut because you are a Sr member, otherwise how Jackson can make money?

You buy the subscription and you become a Sr member, you get PM facility and photo viewing (and banner free screen) [/QUOTE]Wrong again.

Went there again yesterday evening. This time took the subway to Huyakwang and it was much faster. Headed straight to the girls on sofas. 2600bht for 90 mins for most of them. Way too many to choose and all very pretty. Chose one called Annie. Very pretty but maybe not for people who choose the fairest girls in the lineup. Made sure that she offers BBBJ and dfk as it is not the standard offering at Nataree. Also was a bit concerned as I had already done 4 shots for that day. Skipped the soapy part and went straight to bed. First shot was easier than I had thought but a pretty girl makes it easier I think. Then to the shower and back for the second shot which took really long and she was hell bent on making me come. Almost strangled me because I did not come with her! We shot comfortably past the 90 mins (at least 2 hrs) but she made sure I came for the second time. She had very decent english. She had taken a 1 month english speaking course (thts wht she told me)

I know consensus opinion would be to do as many girls as possible on a short cherry trip to BKK but I coaxed her into coming to my hotel after Nataree closes at 12pm. She agreed but took a lot of cajoling on sms later. I went up to NEP from Nataree and reached my room at 1pm. She finally landed up in the hotel at 1. 30. Had another go at her till about 3 for my 7th shot. Slept till 12. She stayed till 4. 30 the next day but could onlymanage 1 shot the next day. But it is a pleasure to make / see a pretty girl come. I never knew that I could make it beyond 4 shots in a day. But today I am dead! I guess I will just see a few shows at the gogo bars and head back. Damages for LT with Annie. 3kbht+0. 2k taxi+0. 2K tip.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1444775]You are correct that the girls in the sparsely populated fishbowl at Nataree cost 2000 baht. These tend to be the older girls. The vast majority of the girls sit in the lounge area on sofas. I wondered why they weren't in the fishbowl too but I suppose that's part of Nataree's charm, being shown around by the papasan and introduced to all of the sweetly smiling girls. All girls outside the fishbowl cost 2600 baht. It seems steep but as you saw there are some very pretty girls and to bar-fine a girl of similar quality for short-time from a gogo bar would cost 600 + 2000 = 2600 but of course you've also got to factor in the cost of your drinks and lady-drinks. You don't automatically get 2 hours with these younger girls though (might be something to specify with the papasan).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444985]I coaxed her into coming to my hotel after Nataree closes at 12pm. She agreed but took a lot of cajoling on sms later. I went up to NEP from Nataree and reached my room at 1pm. She finally landed up in the hotel at 1. 30. Had another go at her till about 3 for my 7th shot. Slept till 12. She stayed till 4. 30 the next day but could onlymanage 1 shot the next day. But it is a pleasure to make / see a pretty girl come. I never knew that I could make it beyond 4 shots in a day. But today I am dead! I guess I will just see a few shows at the gogo bars and head back. Damages for LT with Annie. 3kbht+0. 2k taxi+0. 2K tip.[/QUOTE]That's fucking awesome man! That's a pretty good deal! She shows up at 1.30 am and leaves the next day at 4.40pm, now that is LT!

Guess Annie was late for work the next day hehehe.

[QUOTE=Bionicman; 1444918]Unless yoy buy the subscription and that is what he has done. He does have PM facility.

I am not so sure you get a free PM in here jsut because you are a Sr member, otherwise how Jackson can make money?

You buy the subscription and you become a Sr member, you get PM facility and photo viewing (and banner free screen) [/QUOTE]Such has not been my experience. But I've been a member for a long time. Perhaps things are now different?

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew;1444915]Would you guys be interested in my trip reports? I have put them on the "other" site but they are very long, since I can't start a new thread I felt unsure if you guys would appreciate it or felt that I would clutter up this thread.[/QUOTE]I'd be very interested and new reports are warmly welcomed on this site.

My first attempt at barfining a Baccarra girl. Didn't go so well. Got girl to agree to go to my hotel for an hour. 2500 baht and 600 barfine. Done deal, not quite. Apparently you need to buy 2 ladydrinks to seal the deal. I was flabbergasted as it added another 300 baht to the bill, so I thought.

I was wondering why the girl kept saying 800 baht and we go. I think the ladydrinks are 100 a piece. Need to check further.

I have to go back and barfine that girl, I really wanted to but was just shocked. You really can't think and communicate the darn music is so loud. Girl must think I'm an idiot as she sees me tipping here and there like its no big deal.

Starting to like that place. If they could only tone down the music a bit.

My flight is tomm late evening out of BKK. I have time between 1pm and 5pm tomm after which I head out to airport. I have around 5k bht to spend (note that I am out of cards). Have done the usual circuit for a cherry trip to BKK like Dr. BJ Nuru, Dr. BJ, Nataree, Aniies, go go takeouts from 2 Soi Cowboy bars, a trip to NEP bars, couple of takeouts from Mango and Cherry etc. Any quick suggestion on what I could do with my time and money tomm? I haven't tried Eden and would be interested in a two girl thinggy but haven't heard good things about them lately. Any alternatives would be appreciated. Of course I would put out reports on my trip later though I doubt I would be adding to anything that has not already been mentioned here a some point or the other.

Yup pretty late. And she showered and left because from 4pm her friend at Nataree started hitting her with messages that the man from last night must be making her 'happy'. Thats what she told me anyways because I cudnt read the Thai language msgs she was showing me on her iphone.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew; 1445008]That's fucking awesome man! That's a pretty good deal! She shows up at 1. 30 am and leaves the next day at 4. 40pm, now that is LT!

Guess Annie was late for work the next day hehehe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Archetype;1445087]My flight is tomm late evening out of BKK. I have time between 1pm and 5pm tomm after which I head out to airport. I have around 5k bht to spend (note that I am out of cards). Have done the usual circuit for a cherry trip to BKK like Dr. BJ Nuru, Dr. BJ, Nataree, Aniies, go go takeouts from 2 Soi Cowboy bars, a trip to NEP bars, couple of takeouts from Mango and Cherry etc. Any quick suggestion on what I could do with my time and money tomm? I haven't tried Eden and would be interested in a two girl thinggy but haven't heard good things about them lately. Any alternatives would be appreciated. Of course I would put out reports on my trip later though I doubt I would be adding to anything that has not already been mentioned here a some point or the other.[/QUOTE]What about a couple of FL from Nana car Park or Beer Garden or on Sukhmivit near soi 5-7? Your 4 hours will not get you much at that time of the day, since you have done quite some of the other places. Eden is a choice, of course. RTFF to hear the latest on Eden: up to you and what you expect. The script is PSE, but a bit staged.

[QUOTE=Archetype;1444985]Made sure that she offers BBBJ and dfk as it is not the standard offering at Nataree.[/QUOTE]Archetype, I wonder how you managed to make sure she offers BBBJ and DFK. The girls are virtually sitting shoulder to shoulder there and it is almost impossible to have a private talk with one of them. I wouldn't dare to talk about this kind of service in front of everybody.

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew; 1444915]I too was there not that long ago and wondered the same thing myself. My guess is because there are like 40 to 50 girls there at any time it might get too hot in the fishbowl (It may not be well ventilated) and this is why they changed the setup.

Cheers,

Airlinecrew[/QUOTE]The reason the girls and old ladies are separated is because then they can charge more for the hot looking babes.

Can someone give me quick pointers on places I could go to from 7 am. 10 am in the mornings for Annies / Tulip / Nataree kind of action?

Where to go if no such action is available?

I have a short morning stopover hence confused. Have always stayed the nights so never had this question before!

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1445265]Can someone give me quick pointers on places I could go to from 7 am. 10 am in the mornings for Annies / Tulip / Nataree kind of action?

Where to go if no such action is available?

I have a short morning stopover hence confused. Have always stayed the nights so never had this question before!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]You need to have an hotel room and maybe some MP will be ok you book a girl for outcall. Probably SoL (BJ bar opens at 08. 30, but you might be asked to help with the broom in the cleaning procedure, LOL) can be the only place, but it is no oily or soapie

[QUOTE=JungFreud19;1444739]I will be in Bangkok next weekend. 19th. 21st July. And looking for a new friend or two to go out and find a few girls to bring back to the hotel for some group action. I usually go through agencies, but happy to pick-up from some nice bars if anyone knows where to go (I have never been to BK). Either way, just want to have a good time. If you have any interest, send me a PM.[/QUOTE]How do the girls price this out anyway.

Suppose you got 3 guys and each gets a girl.

Do the 3 girls accept two additional guys banging on them for the same price as a single? I would not think so.

My guess is each girl would want 3x her price. But again I really don't know.

[QUOTE=Ivanba;1444828]I left a Charles Schwab Bank (big USA broker / bank) debit card with "24 hour" replacement policy in a BKK atm machine. By the time I got in touch with the bank and accounting for time zone differences it was about 3 days before a FedEx express package with a new card showed up for me. The bank offered to immediately wire cash to a local BKK bank for me but I declined.[/QUOTE]I did exactly the same thing except I returned to the machine 20 minutes later. The girl inside the kisosk told me, sorry, the machine was just filled and it is policy of the money filler to distroy the cards on the spot if found. Anyway, Schwab told me it would take about a 7 days to get a replacement card. Sounds like I was not told the right thing.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1445328]How do the girls price this out anyway.

Suppose you got 3 guys and each gets a girl.

Do the 3 girls accept two additional guys banging on them for the same price as a single? I would not think so.

My guess is each girl would want 3x her price. But again I really don't know.[/QUOTE]A few months ago a guy on ISG threw a bachelor's party with three of his buddies (4 guys total) in his hotel suite. He got one of the MPs to provide five 3-hole girls. It started in separate rooms, three guys with one girl each and one guy with two girls. At the girls initiative it ended up as a four on five orgy with lots of girl on girl, multiple girls on guy and multiple guys on girl action. Went on for three hours. The guys supplied the girls with all the booze they wanted; and the girls drank like sailors. Girls asked for THB5000 each. The guys gave them THB6000 each. He said it was worth every penny.

This is my TR from a few weeks ago, I wrote this on another site. I get a bit long when I do my trip reports so I hope I don't offend anyone thinking I clutter up to boards. If long TR's isn't your thing then please skip.

Around 4 pm I walk out the Huai Khwang mrt station, take exit #3 walk toward the Emerald hotel, pass Emmanuelle massage and there it is Nataree. It's pretty close to the mrt station BTW. It sounds like a long walk but it isn't. So enter the carpark in front of the building and it's the first door you see on the right. Don't get put off by the people that sit in front of the doors. I don't really know what they are doing there and if they are always sitting there. The door itself is quite dark and you can't see inside.

I walk in and immediately a girl who sits at my right says hello. I don't see the fishbowl so I wonder if I made a mistake but two steps further and sure enough it's on your left. Papasan walks up to me and starts right away introducing which girls are which at what prices, who gives excellent massage and who speaks English. It's quite a bit to take in. I imagined the place to look different. There are not many girls in the fishbowl and they are sure not the prettiest so I skip those. I wonder if this place started out with all the girls in the fishbowl but because there are so many of them temperatures might have been pretty high and unbearable for them so they moved the beauties outside. There are a lot of women here and all are seated against the wall in a circle. If you want to have a drink you can do so at the tables that are in the center of the room. So every direction you look at has girls sitting on chairs, all smiling at you. I feel like I am on stage, this must be what go go girls feel when they first start out hahaha. I have to say there are some beauties here but not like what I've seen at Baccara last night. Although I can't make myself walk a lap around the room and chat up any girls. So I just ask a girl to come over that I like and that papasan recommends.

She is the 'Indian' looking girl that I've read about somewhere. Her name is Ying or Ling. I asked her three times and I still don't know for sure. As soon as I pick her I feel all eyes are off me and I can relax more. She is 22 and 1.50 meters tall. Me being just short of 1.90 it's a bit of a difference but I like it. I ask if she wants a drink and she orders a coke. Drinks are 50 baht, don't know about alcoholic drinks though.

I pay 2600 baht for the room and the girl, so no extra costs unless you want drinks which are separate. Into the tiniest elevator and up to the second floor for a room. This place is quite massive. Almost like a hotel. Rooms are small but ok. There is a small couch you can sit and wait until the large tub fills up and one step away is the bed.

Ying is really nice, I ask where she is from, she says Thailand but I look Indian right? I tell her that's true I've been to India and she would not be misplaced over there to a white boy farang like me. I'm sure the Indian natives on these board might disagree and tell me she does not look Indian at all. But she gets it a lot from Europeans, Americans etc etc. But she tells me all her family is thai no other nationalities, so it's a mystery to me why she looks so different. She speaks English quite well and she says she has studied before she went to work here. I take my clothes off and she is helping me all the time which is all laughs cause I'm so tall and she is very tiny. She is only 40 kg's but she tells me she was 60kg before. Wow she lost 1/3 of her bodyweight.

She wants to see my dick, wants to know how big I am. I like big dick she says. I tell her I'm not that big. Of course when she sees it she is saying: ooh very big. Hahaha liar! She takes it in her mouth straight away for some BBBJ. It's nice but not anything special. I might have been spoiled the last few days. She wants me to get onto the bed for a massage. Which is also ok but nothing special. It actually hits me that I've been in Thailand for three days and I've been to a massage parlor three times including this one but did not get an actual massage.

She is not that chatty, but as I look at her in the mirror she is very pretty but she notices me looking and says I need to close my eyes. Yes ma'am! Then the tub is full and she orders me to go in. Telling me to be very careful cause costumers have slipped on the wet floor before. The tub is very hot and I have trouble getting into it. She takes off her clothes and her body is ok, don't know if she had a kid or if it's because she has lost so much weight.

She gets in and she also thinks it's too hot, so she adds cold water until the temperature is a lot better. She scrubs me with soap and it's really nice. I'm asking her all kinds of things but she tells me to shut up and relax. Yes ma'am! A quick hose down and we move onto the bed for a BBBJ. I'm happy that I last cause I have realized that I did not ask papasan if I can have two shots. She puts on a rubber and starts a CBJ and I ask if she likes her pussy licked. Yes I like very much she says. So we change position. I have to tell you guys that Ying is a pornstar and not in a good sense. She is a bit fake. Yelling things like: Oh baby give it to me. Moaning very obviously etc. Etc. Normally I don't mind but it's a bit thick with her. But if there is one thing I do well it's lick pussy which I truly enjoy. As I start she is in pornstar mode but as soon as she shuts up I know that I'm hitting the right spot. Then the moans become real. She even squirts a little. Her orgasm is no fake, it's a big OOOOOH and her back arches up. This is when I really put the pressure on more and she yells: I finish, I finish! Hehehe.

Poor thing is spend but I like to go into missionary anyway, might be a bit boring but I like it. Sadly the pornstar is back but it does not matter I cum anyway after a while. It's cuddle mode and it's nice just lying there. We hit the bath again and she showers me off. Get dressed and I give her 300 baht tip and don't forget the 20 baht tip for the cleaning staff.

She had told me that business has been slow and I was the first costumer of the day, but when we walk up to the elevator there are two japs going up and when it comes back down there are again two japs with girls. We get out and all the girls are standing cause yet another group of japs are making their choices. I say my goodbyes and give her a big hug where I pick her up from the floor. I walk over to the BTS station where I see another big group of japs heading toward Nataree. Can't know for sure that's where they were headed but I'm glad I got there early.

I hope you guys enjoyed reading my TR to nataree, I think it's my fave go-to in BKK.

Its just a very small part of my trip to BKK three weeks ago.

I do get very very long in the tooth sometimes so if you guys are interested in some more pieces of my TR I can Always post them too.

Cheers,

Airlinecrew

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1445158]The reason the girls and old ladies are separated is because then they can charge more for the hot looking babes.[/QUOTE]Yes but I think they could easily have done this with colored numbers or something like other places do. E, g: red numbers are 2000 baht, green are 2600 baht etc etc.

I don't mind the setup though it's just a bit intimidating when you walk in the first time.

[QUOTE=Ehunter;1445331](snip) and it is policy of the money filler to distroy the cards on the spot if found.(snip_[/QUOTE]Apparently cards are sucked back into the machine too if not retrieved soon enough after cash withdrawal (what the time window is, I don't know) , so there was a scare for me the other day in BKK when getting money out of an ATM. Being already aware of the standard policy you mention, my heart was in my mouth when not able to pull the card out after being given the money and receipt, due to a combination of the machine of this particularly having an unusually tight grip on the card while in the slot, and traces of sunscreen on my hands from having applied some earlier. Had to act quickly, and used my t-shirt to get it, with a sigh of relief. It certainly woke me up that morning.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1445328]How do the girls price this out anyway.

Suppose you got 3 guys and each gets a girl.

Do the 3 girls accept two additional guys banging on them for the same price as a single? I would not think so.

My guess is each girl would want 3x her price. But again I really don't know.[/QUOTE]Well, that would be an orgy. It has to be well discussed with the girls in terms of prices, services, performances. Thai girls are often shy in 3-somes, one often stays in the bathroom while the other works on the guy. You will need a large bathroom to host the non performing girls, LOL. I don't think that simply picking up 3 girls from the same bar will work. Might be wiser to pick up from a MP for outcall. Still I don't think that the price will be the same as having one girl each. A good deal would be paying each girl double of their usual price and she will have to perform for and with three guys. Not sure if they will take such a deal.

If you book at Annie's for MMF, each guy will pay the usual price for one girl, even if he will share her with his friend. Same for a MFF (and one of the F is the M partner in life).

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1445328]How do the girls price this out anyway.

Suppose you got 3 guys and each gets a girl.

Do the 3 girls accept two additional guys banging on them for the same price as a single? I would not think so.

My guess is each girl would want 3x her price. But again I really don't know.[/QUOTE]Naturally its all negotiable. If 3 girls share the workload for 3 guys, I don't see they would necessarily require 3 times the price. Perhaps double would be sufficient. When I take 3 girls, they get to share the workload so no extra charge and they throw in the lesbian action for no extra charge. I don't need any extra guys. LOL

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1445265]Can someone give me quick pointers on places I could go to from 7 am. 10 am in the mornings for Annies / Tulip / Nataree kind of action?

Where to go if no such action is available?

I have a short morning stopover hence confused. Have always stayed the nights so never had this question before!

Thanks.[/QUOTE]This is a tough one. I would normally have phone numbers of several girls, and pre-arrange something. Its possible to arrange with certain places if they know you well, but otherwise a bit difficult.

Its very hard to understand why guys go for such short stopovers. I would never ever do that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1445495]Its very hard to understand why guys go for such short stopovers. I would never ever do that.[/QUOTE]I think it's called having a job, many guys will only get to BKK for work, especially if you are married like me and don't have any say how long your layover will be.

I'm just fortunate that I get to BKK at all, hundreds of guys that are reading these forum can only dream about going there at all.

Friday night Rainbow 4 vs Baccara.

930pm. Not many girls on pretty stage. I keep waiting for the pretty faces in numbers to show up but they never do. What are they up 2? Do they just work during high season? The customers count looked avg. At best. Just not the same without 200 girls working, on a Friday too. Kind of disappointing.

1045 Baccara. Lots of girls. And lots of customers who were in a buying mood. 1st set many good lookers available. Quite a lot of time passed before this group went on stage again as the show (only reason for the show is to give the girls a break) had to go on (there was a great looking body but when I looked at her face I said OMG-in a bad way)

2nd go around for the 1st set of girls I saw. To my amazement there were hardly any of them left. Many got barfined. Those that were left were not ez on the eyes.

The market must agree with me as guys kept showing up well past 1130. Hot girls just keeps on attracting horny men. Mediocre to ugly girls just don't!

If you like pretty Baccarra is where its at. Rainbow 4 is just more relaxing, not the pressure cooker Baccarra is.

Without the show I'm usually at Baccara for no more than 45 minutes, no problems. With the show I might get to an hour. There must be a rule where if a customer is not downing a lot of drinks, kick him out after an hour or so. LOL.

Past 11pm.no matter where you go expect the hot agogo girls to be naked somewhere near by earning their 25oo an ejaculation.

You hit it right on! Sometimes things are only so much in your control, just not more. .

[QUOTE=AirlineCrew; 1445517]I think it's called having a job, many guys will only get to BKK for work, especially if you are married like me and don't have any say how long your layover will be.

I'm just fortunate that I get to BKK at all, hundreds of guys that are reading these forum can only dream about going there at all.[/QUOTE]

Speak to the Papasan. Dfk, BBBJ and 2 shots in 90mins. He will tell you if the girl you have chosen will allow that. Else move on to the next. There are enough pretty ones around.

[QUOTE=Pimpa;1445116]Archetype, I wonder how you managed to make sure she offers BBBJ and DFK. The girls are virtually sitting shoulder to shoulder there and it is almost impossible to have a private talk with one of them. I wouldn't dare to talk about this kind of service in front of everybody.[/QUOTE]

Anyone knows # 55 from Baccara?

I'd want to get in touch with her before I get to BKK because of a short layover.

She never goes off my memory because of her hot body and I would do her again any day.

So if any kind fella is in Baccara. Could you please plug her once for me, and get me her digits?

Just to describe, the #55 I did last year was tall, fair, cute face, speaks little English and has firm silicon boobs, easily a 36C, I think!

Appreciate it if someone can provide me that info.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1445612]Anyone knows # 55 from Baccara?

I'd want to get in touch with her before I get to BKK because of a short layover.

She never goes off my memory because of her hot body and I would do her again any day.

So if any kind fella is in Baccara. Could you please plug her once for me, and get me her digits?

Just to describe, the #55 I did last year was tall, fair, cute face, speaks little English and has firm silicon boobs, easily a 36C, I think!

Appreciate it if someone can provide me that info.[/QUOTE]What makes you think she remembers you? Anyway didn't see her. Unfriendly setup so may take another 3 or 4 weeks before I check all of them out. Just so hard to see more than 6 or 7 girl at a time.

Did the hattrick SAT. Night. Baccarra, Rainbow 4, and Rainbow 1. For some ungodly reason Rainbow 2 was SRO, didn't partake.

Something must be up with the staff at Rainbow 4. Not many girls working.

Don't know if Baccara is better at 8pm when the girls are arriving or 11pm (just a krapshoot how many girls are left). My primetime is reserved for NEP-9pm. 11pm. No ifs ands or buttocks!

Rainbow 1 has some darn good faces now. I saw one that I've never seen before.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]I am a bit like our friend Skogis (not in the same clas though) that I like to meet girls at the bars rather than the gogos.

I have picked up Spasso (my old fav, but I think too expensive now) , CM2, Q Bar, Insomnia, Climax, Bossy etc etc.

A couple of weeks ago, I hit Levels. Great club and nice vibe about the place.

After a couple of rounds, walked up to 2 girls. One hottie in a tight purple dress (looked to be 172 cm atleast) , really fair and hot body and another girl in a black cock-tail. Chit-chat, got them a few drinks, got comfortable, dancing, etc and told the purple one 'let's go'. We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her...[/QUOTE]As the Great George best said "I spent a lot of money in fast cars, drinks and women all the rest was a waste".

In Bangkok and would like to find a place to buy Viagra. Interest in real Viagra not a generic.

Thanks,

Greeman

I don't think she remembers me. And never said that.

Please take your time and find her for me if you may.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1445729]What makes you think she remembers you? Anyway didn't see her. Unfriendly setup so may take another 3 or 4 weeks before I check all of them out. Just so hard to see more than 6 or 7 girl at a time.

Did the hattrick SAT. Night. Baccarra, Rainbow 4, and Rainbow 1. For some ungodly reason Rainbow 2 was SRO, didn't partake.

Something must be up with the staff at Rainbow 4. Not many girls working.

Don't know if Baccara is better at 8pm when the girls are arriving or 11pm (just a krapshoot how many girls are left). My primetime is reserved for NEP-9pm. 11pm. No ifs ands or buttocks!

Rainbow 1 has some darn good faces now. I saw one that I've never seen before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Greeman; 1445772]In Bangkok and would like to find a place to buy Viagra. Interest in real Viagra not a generic.

Thanks,

Greeman[/QUOTE]There is a small Pharmacy almost directly opposite the entrance to Nana Plaza on the other side of the road (same side as Nana Hotel). You can buy genuine Viagra there.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Greeman; 1445772]In Bangkok and would like to find a place to buy Viagra. Interest in real Viagra not a generic.

Thanks,

Greeman[/QUOTE]The little pharmacy across the road from NEP. Never failed me, but last time I was there they were out of stock and they sold me some kamagra jelly. One fifth of the price of brand name Viagra and the same effect.

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1445872]I don't think she remembers me. And never said that.

Please take your time and find her for me if you may.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I'll try.

Made a walk thru Soi Cowboy at 7:45pm. Absolutely dead, Sharks doors were even closed. I always thought there were a few early birds at these agogo joints-guess I was wrong. Did see a few legs on stage at Bacarra-they had on those ugly red outfits-are they trying to dumb down the attractiveness of the girls. They make them wear this red shit thing often.

Went against all my better judgement. I barfined a Baccarra girl. What a disaster. Took a girl I never saw before. I just took a chance on a pretty face. Was too darn tired to go get my favorite at Rainbow 4. Its also hard now that since she doesn't have much competition one can't just assume she will be available. Sat. Night she had 3 guys interested in her the first 30 minutes of her shift.

Come on guys, tell me if I'm imagining things. Rainbow 1,2 and 4 girls are very friendly, whether you buy them drinks or not, whether you barfine them or not. I just get an unreal unfriendly vibe at Bacarra.

Long shower is first bad sign, I thought she might take a 30 minute shower. Then she wanted room pitch dark. It took a Herculean effort to get her to remove towel. I tried to save a few baht and negotiate a cancel fee. She wanted no part of that and wanted the whole fee. I guess since she was willing to do the deed she deserved the whole fee- who knows. I'm not about to fight with a bargirl over 1000 baht. I just wanted her out.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1445995]The little pharmacy across the road from NEP. Never failed me, but last time I was there they were out of stock and they sold me some kamagra jelly. One fifth of the price of brand name Viagra and the same effect.[/QUOTE]Good point, I sometimes use Kamagra myself and never been disappointed with the results. Another favourite of mine is Cappra. 1,100 baht for four tablets, lasts for up to 12 hours and even cuts through the alcohol haze to leave you proudly standing to attention. Cappra is also herbal as opposed to chemical so you don't have to worry about a permanent trouser truncheon.

Regards,

BJ

Foodland Asoke much better than Foodland suk- you can't smell the other patrons. LOL.

My Asoke hotel at 21,000 baht per month is absolute gem. I thought for a while there this is the one. Problem is its not the one due to the fact I'm a Nana guy. After first 30 days was over I should have moved to a Nana located hotel.

My attendance at Bacarra is very good. Hotel within 4 minutes walking distance.

My attendance at NEP very bad. I'm not within 4 minutes walking distance.

If you Nana guy stay in Nana area hotel. If you Soi Cowboy guy stay in Asoke area hotel. Where you stay does affect where you go.

I'm so under budget its unreal. Its all because I'm away from where I spend the most money. I can save money when I'm in America. I come to BKK to have fun and spend, kinda ironic.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1446110]Went against all my better judgement. I barfined a Baccarra girl. What a disaster. Took a girl I never saw before. I just took a chance on a pretty face. Was too darn tired to go get my favorite at Rainbow 4. Its also hard now that since she doesn't have much competition one can't just assume she will be available. Sat. Night she had 3 guys interested in her the first 30 minutes of her shift.

Come on guys, tell me if I'm imagining things. Rainbow 1, 2 and 4 girls are very friendly, whether you buy them drinks or not, whether you barfine them or not. I just get an unreal unfriendly vibe at Bacarra.

Long shower is first bad sign, I thought she might take a 30 minute shower. Then she wanted room pitch dark. It took a Herculean effort to get her to remove towel. I tried to save a few baht and negotiate a cancel fee. She wanted no part of that and wanted the whole fee. I guess since she was willing to do the deed she deserved the whole fee- who knows. I'm not about to fight with a bargirl over 1000 baht. I just wanted her out.[/QUOTE]Still should have booted her with 100 baht taxi money. Now she will continue to pull the same cr*p with everyone. She deserves a big bag of nothing. I have canceled many a sesh. There is no "negotiation." She did not deliver, you should not pay. You are the customer, end of story.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1446110]Went against all my better judgement. I barfined a Baccarra girl. What a disaster. Took a girl I never saw before. I just took a chance on a pretty face. Was too darn tired to go get my favorite at Rainbow 4. Its also hard now that since she doesn't have much competition one can't just assume she will be available. Sat. Night she had 3 guys interested in her the first 30 minutes of her shift.

Come on guys, tell me if I'm imagining things. Rainbow 1, 2 and 4 girls are very friendly, whether you buy them drinks or not, whether you barfine them or not. I just get an unreal unfriendly vibe at Bacarra.

Long shower is first bad sign, I thought she might take a 30 minute shower. Then she wanted room pitch dark. It took a Herculean effort to get her to remove towel. I tried to save a few baht and negotiate a cancel fee. She wanted no part of that and wanted the whole fee. I guess since she was willing to do the deed she deserved the whole fee- who knows. I'm not about to fight with a bargirl over 1000 baht. I just wanted her out.[/QUOTE]Got a name or number so no one else here wastes their time and money on her?

[QUOTE=Kuratla;1446280]Got a name or number so no one else here wastes their time and money on her?[/QUOTE]Would be great if all the mongers would I'd the ladies that provide subpar service (name, , bar with details).

Love to be a fly on the wall when a hottie gets turned down for numerous barfines, and being info'd that she's XXXXX nongratus due to reported poor performance!

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002; 1446294]Would be great if all the mongers would I'd the ladies that provide subpar service (name, , bar with details).

Love to be a fly on the wall when a hottie gets turned down for numerous barfines, and being info'd that she's XXXXX nongratus due to reported poor performance![/QUOTE]They'd just change their names and numbers.

[QUOTE=Mosquito2002;1446294]Would be great if all the mongers would I'd the ladies that provide subpar service (name, , bar with details).[/QUOTE]They are probably saying the same about mongers.

Sorry but I got to back to using LOL's. My posts look so serious now.

Forgot- 1st time ever I never got my change back from an agogo. Bill last night at Bacarra was 160 baht, gave 200 baht server never returned with change. My lousy girl came so had to leave.

Went to ASoke foodland for lunch today, server never charged me for can of coke saving me 20 baht. The excact amount I lost at Baccara last night. LOL.

ID Baccara girl- Name Noi from Udon Thani. Bigger than avg. Boobs (real) , dances downstairs, might have tatoos on shoulder. Shoulder length hair.

So here's my record for the last 14 months in BKK barfining agogo girls. Effectively 11 months as I don't live here.

1. Rain 4 girl absolute best ever.

2. 1st time Bacarra bf-ties for the worst ever. LOL. There out there guys-buyer beware!

3. Rain 2 girl-ok, now only if I can get her to massage my asshole for 20 minutes. Very pretty, hot body and we get along.

4 Rain 2 girl. No chemistry. No ones fault.

I think I chose pretty well. But as you can see I just don't bf a lot. I know its so darn hard to find a good performing hot agogo girl that you get along with.

Stiffing a non-performer. You know the bar would only hear the girls side of the story. I surely wouldn't want to be banned from going to Bacarra. LOL. I take it as part of the game of hookers and prostitutes. LOL.

Made a trip once again to Bangkok over the week-end and arranged to meet up with the girl I met last time. We had been communicating and we planned to meet at the hotel on Friday and go clubbing.

But plans changed once she arrived. The plan was to have a couple of rounds and then go clubbing. 2 rounds later, we just decide to stay in bed. Sex is great like usual!

Got her story. She is a single mother with a kid less than 1yr old. Had some Arab guy who left Bangkok when business turned bad and left her with the baby. How she manages a figure like that with such a small baby, I can never guess. I am not really into mothers, but if you cannot guess, what the hell? I am pretty good at figuring out, but this one fooled me.

Just go out for a movie and lunch on Saturday (no shopping this time). Clubs in the night and more sex. She studies in the university for a course on Sundays and had to leave on Sunday morning. Handed her 4000bht for her time. She did not ask for anything but I really do not need freebies and makes the arrangement simple.

Told her that I have a wife and kids and there will be nothing emotionally from my side. The arrangement is that I meet her when I want to in Bangkok, we have sex and remain friends. Nothing more from my side and I expect nothing more from her.

Thanks to the guys here for guidance. Matters are simple once you are clear in your own head. Thanks again for the inputs guys.

Kumbu, will buy you a beer if you are in BKK sometime and plans coincide. Cheers.

McM.

P. S. Some might say that being somewhat in the game is like being somewhat pregnant LOL

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1446389]McM.

P. S. Some might say that being somewhat in the game is like being somewhat pregnant LOL[/QUOTE]Yes some might say that- the clueless.

You got a good deal going there. But without the emotional attachment it probably won't last. Sex can be had anywhere, the emotional part is what makes it lasting.

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1446389]we just decide to stay in bed. Sex is great like usual! /// She is a single mother with a kid less than 1yr old. Had some Arab guy who left Bangkok when business turned bad and left her with the baby. /// Clubs in the night and more sex. /// Handed her 4000bht for her time. She did not ask for anything but I really do not need freebies and makes the arrangement simple./// Told her that I have a wife and kids and there will be nothing emotionally from my side. /// Thanks again for the inputs guys.[/QUOTE]Good for you McM. Sounds like you made all the right decisions, starting from picking up one fine individual from the club, to seeking advice from this forum when things got dicey, to figuring out the emotional / sexual / financial calculus at hand.

[QUOTE=McMaiden;1446389]Kumbu, will buy you a beer if you are in BKK sometime and plans coincide. Cheers.[/QUOTE]It will be my pleasure.

First, thanks to all forum participation from all and the great info. I will be a newbie to the Thailand scene this fall, boy I can't wait, and have searched the forums for a establishments that really offers a good strong massage, and then fun time. Nothing seems to pop up. When I arrive I would like to get a real deep tissue massage to get me over jet lag and rejuvenate me. I know from the forums that soapy's wash you good and then rub a little, but what about a real good deep tissue massage?

Thanks in advance for any info! Buy you a beer if your there this fall.

FeelzGood

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1446110]She wanted no part of that and wanted the whole fee. I guess since she was willing to do the deed she deserved the whole fee- who knows. I'm not about to fight with a bargirl over 1000 baht. I just wanted her out.[/QUOTE]If you haven't consummated he act, you owe her nothing. The small cancellation fee (100-300 baht) is there to smooth things along. If she demands more, she deserves exactly zilch. I had girls who tried doing that, and I make clear that I'll either give her 300 now, or decrease that fee by the amount of hassle she causes. We need to collectively grow some balls.

There is a real massage place called chivitchiva spa or something similar on the right side leaving sukhumvit. Its expensive about 1500 and its real real massage. Diop is who I had and it was a real massage. She's not a looker so if you want a hottie maybe someone else but they all give professional massage no extras offered (not to me at least)

[QUOTE=Feelz Good; 1446560]First, thanks to all forum participation from all and the great info. I will be a newbie to the Thailand scene this fall, boy I can't wait, and have searched the forums for a establishments that really offers a good strong massage, and then fun time. Nothing seems to pop up. When I arrive I would like to get a real deep tissue massage to get me over jet lag and rejuvenate me. I know from the forums that soapy's wash you good and then rub a little, but what about a real good deep tissue massage?

Thanks in advance for any info! Buy you a beer if your there this fall.

FeelzGood[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Feelz Good; 1446560]First, thanks to all forum participation from all and the great info. I will be a newbie to the Thailand scene this fall, boy I can't wait, and have searched the forums for a establishments that really offers a good strong massage, and then fun time. Nothing seems to pop up. When I arrive I would like to get a real deep tissue massage to get me over jet lag and rejuvenate me. I know from the forums that soapy's wash you good and then rub a little, but what about a real good deep tissue massage?

Thanks in advance for any info! Buy you a beer if your there this fall.

FeelzGood[/QUOTE]You will learn the hard way or the easy way. Up 2 you!

A real good massage followed by sex (fun time) with a hot girl is almost non-existant. I'm assuming you want fun time with a pretty girl. LOL.

Choose good massage by ugly old woman or sex?

The LA Times reports:

"Thailand's premier university has apologized for displaying Adolf Hitler on a banner alongside Superman and other superheroes, saying it was painted by ignorant students who didn't realize Hitler's image would offend anyone."

The banner was placed outside the art school at Chulalongkorn University as part of a tribute to this year's graduating class.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center weighed in by stating, 'Hitler as a superhero? Is he an appropriate role model for Thailand's younger generation — a genocidal hatemonger who mass murdered Jews and Gypsies and who considered people of color as racially inferior, '

The article closes with the following statement,"The study of history in the Thai school system revolves primarily around the history of Thailand and its long line of kings. World history is glossed over, with little or no mention of the Holocaust."

Here is a photo of the banner.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1446525]Good for you McM. Sounds like you made all the right decisions, starting from picking up one fine individual from the club, to seeking advice from this forum when things got dicey, to figuring out the emotional / sexual / financial calculus at hand.[/QUOTE]Finance was all wrong. 2K would have been about reasonable and still on the high side. 4K is ridiculous, but I understand that is just normal tuition fee for a sex-starved tourist.

Minimum monthly wage in Thailand is still 9K. A basic meal Bt 30. Remember that. All the time.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good; 1446560]First, thanks to all forum participation from all and the great info. I will be a newbie to the Thailand scene this fall, boy I can't wait, and have searched the forums for a establishments that really offers a good strong massage, and then fun time. Nothing seems to pop up. When I arrive I would like to get a real deep tissue massage to get me over jet lag and rejuvenate me. I know from the forums that soapy's wash you good and then rub a little, but what about a real good deep tissue massage?

Thanks in advance for any info! Buy you a beer if your there this fall.

FeelzGood[/QUOTE]If you want a real Thai massage, head over to the what Pho temple (near the Grand Palace) : [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Pho.[/url] Of course no happy endings there, but the massage is top! Then when fully rejuvenated, head back to the Sukhumvut area and have some fun.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1446684]Finance was all wrong. 2K would have been about reasonable and still on the high side. 4K is ridiculous, but I understand that is just normal tuition fee for a sex-starved tourist.

Minimum monthly wage in Thailand is still 9K. A basic meal Bt 30. Remember that. All the time.[/QUOTE]Ah, so true. If we could just hand out flyers at the airport.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1446677]The LA Times reports:

"Thailand's premier university has apologized for displaying Adolf Hitler on a banner alongside Superman and other superheroes, saying it was painted by ignorant students who didn't realize Hitler's image would offend anyone."

The banner was placed outside the art school at Chulalongkorn University as part of a tribute to this year's graduating class.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center weighed in by stating, 'Hitler as a superhero? Is he an appropriate role model for Thailand's younger generation — a genocidal hatemonger who mass murdered Jews and Gypsies and who considered people of color as racially inferior, '

The article closes with the following statement,"The study of history in the Thai school system revolves primarily around the history of Thailand and its long line of kings. World history is glossed over, with little or no mention of the Holocaust."

Here is a photo of the banner.[/QUOTE]All of a sudden Thailand seems appealing, no mentions of the Holocst, beats having it shoved down my throat on an almost daily basis here in the west.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1446719]Ah, so true. If we could just hand out flyers at the airport.[/QUOTE]Or perhaps we can start a campaign on this forum to permanently stabilize the pricing system across the entire P4P scene across Thailand. ISG members probably account for less than 10% of the total number of mongers in Thailand at any given time and that's being extremely generous. I think if we all went around clutching our manifesto from the price police we would be unstoppable. We could even inform the girls we are senior members of this forum and watch the wave of realization wash over them that we know the score and we are not to be messed around.

I think the girls would fall in line and give impeccable service at universally acceptable prices as opposed to just walking away and waiting for the next punter to come along. Anyone interested in this infallible campaign?

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1446684]Finance was all wrong. 2K would have been about reasonable and still on the high side. 4K is ridiculous, but I understand that is just normal tuition fee for a sex-starved tourist.

Minimum monthly wage in Thailand is still 9K. A basic meal Bt 30. Remember that. All the time.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the concern about finances. But we are all looking at different markets. If a girl has been good to me, I WILL BE GOOD TO HER! 4000bht seems to be reasonable amount for around 36hrs of somebody's time.

If the market is being spoilt, too bad. As anyone who knows economics will understand markets will find its own equilibrium and one punter underpaying or overpaying is not going to change anything finally.

As always, I would rather overpay than underpay to a nice and sincere person.

McM

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1446792]If the market is being spoilt, too bad. As anyone who knows economics will understand markets will find its own equilibrium and one punter underpaying or overpaying is not going to change anything finally.

As always, I would rather overpay than underpay to a nice and sincere person.

McM[/QUOTE]God bless a man who understands the market approach to pricing.

If anything you underpaid sir. Assuming she is of avg. Looks.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1446792]I appreciate the concern about finances. But we are all looking at different markets. If a girl has been good to me, I WILL BE GOOD TO HER! 4000bht seems to be reasonable amount for around 36hrs of somebody's time.

If the market is being spoilt, too bad. As anyone who knows economics will understand markets will find its own equilibrium and one punter underpaying or overpaying is not going to change anything finally.

As always, I would rather overpay than underpay to a nice and sincere person.

McM[/QUOTE]It continues to amaze me that posts continue to complain of overpaying.

So few punters use ISG that all the moaning has no influence on prices.

How many Japanese read ISG? They are reported to be the 'small cocks, big payers' of Bangkok.

Jee I can remember paying $10 for a 12hour non-stop action night. And the lady was delighted with 10 baht for her fare home. Times change but the market is self balancing.

And bluntly does it matter. When I am on holiday I have a budget for travel and hotels and spend what the heck I like on booze and girls. I have never taken any notice of ISG guidance

(from the moaners) on prices. I very quickly determine the going rates with a few chats in the Beer Garden and Gulliver's (plus a couple of bars in Nana) and make my own mind up on what I will pay.

McM, don't even bother giving explainations, you don't owe any. Your trite overpayer mantra has been heard one million times and there is nothing that can change it. If you believe 2K is underpaying, good for you. Now for the facts, that is what I will give to the same girl for same or even better service, and that is what she would have happily accepted. All the rest is wasted electrons.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1446798]So few punters use ISG that all the moaning has no influence on prices.[/quote]I don't worry a bit about "ISG influence" or what others pay. When I'm told by a girl that she has been overpaid, I smile and say that it was good, but I'm not going to do the same. At that point invariably the conversation moves to another subject.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1446802]Now for the facts, that is what I will give to the same girl for same or even better service, and that is what she would have happily accepted. All the rest is wasted electrons.[/QUOTE]I'll keep this brief and not waste too many "electrons" but I think the "facts" must come out. Please describe this "the same or better" service you purport to receive.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1446798]It continues to amaze me that posts continue to complain of overpaying.

So few punters use ISG that all the moaning has no influence on prices.

How many Japanese read ISG? They are reported to be the 'small cocks, big payers' of Bangkok. I very quickly determine the going rates with a few chats in the Beer Garden and Gulliver's (plus a couple of bars in Nana) and make my own mind up on what I will pay.[/QUOTE]Stickman sums it up quite nicely here: [url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-bar-Asian-customers.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1446831]I'll keep this brief and not waste too many "electrons" but I think the "facts" must come out. Please describe this "the same or better" service you purport to receive.[/QUOTE]I can tell a troll when I see one, take your way if you have one, and good luck.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good; 1446560]First, thanks to all forum participation from all and the great info. I will be a newbie to the Thailand scene this fall, boy I can't wait, and have searched the forums for a establishments that really offers a good strong massage, and then fun time. Nothing seems to pop up. When I arrive I would like to get a real deep tissue massage to get me over jet lag and rejuvenate me. I know from the forums that soapy's wash you good and then rub a little, but what about a real good deep tissue massage?

Thanks in advance for any info! Buy you a beer if your there this fall.

FeelzGood[/QUOTE]Cefle on Soi 33.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1446878]I can tell a troll when I see one, take your way if you have one, and good luck.[/QUOTE]Ahhhh, just as I suspected.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1446798]It continues to amaze me that posts continue to complain of overpaying.

So few punters use ISG that all the moaning has no influence on prices.

How many Japanese read ISG? They are reported to be the 'small cocks, big payers' of Bangkok.

Jee I can remember paying $10 for a 12hour non-stop action night. And the lady was delighted with 10 baht for her fare home. Times change but the market is self balancing.

And bluntly does it matter. When I am on holiday I have a budget for travel and hotels and spend what the heck I like on booze and girls. I have never taken any notice of ISG guidance

(from the moaners) on prices. I very quickly determine the going rates with a few chats in the Beer Garden and Gulliver's (plus a couple of bars in Nana) and make my own mind up on what I will pay.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1446845]Stickman sums it up quite nicely here:

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-bar-Asian-customers.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Scorchin, couldn't agree with you more.

Traveler, I also read the Stickman article, with interest. It sheds considerable light on why the girls prefer the Asian men; and it may infuriate some ISG members. I found the description of how the Asian men "bargain" with the girls very interesting. Having worked with Asian businessmen for decades I never believed the claims Asian men overpay the SW. Stickman's article reveals they just use a good negotiation technique: give the girl what she asks for but in return get from her exactly what you want and make sure it's sufficient to justify the price. Smart!

[QUOTE=Drfel;1446754]All of a sudden Thailand seems appealing, no mentions of the Holocst, beats having it shoved down my throat on an almost daily basis here in the west.[/QUOTE]Hmm, I've lived in several cities in the USA and never experienced having the Holocaust shoved down my throat. However, I do have friends who are Austrian Jews. It was very sad to go through a family photo album with them for the first time and learn that almost everyone in the family born before the late 1940's died in a concentration camp.

I posted this because from time to time other ISG members remark about how insulated Thai culture can be. I thought a group of college students failure to realize the poster they created was in bad taste was a good illustration of this very limited perspective.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1446899]Scorchin, couldn't agree with you more.

![/QUOTE]And I agree too. People over estimate the number of ISG readers vs. The total amount of people paying girls everyday in BKK.

A tiny fraction. If we all strike girls will not notice much.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1446885]Cefle on Soi 33.[/QUOTE]Maybe you want to give some detailed information: if I am not wrong it is in a subsoi of soi 33, correct?

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1446919]Maybe you want to give some detailed information: if I am not wrong it is in a subsoi of soi 33, correct?[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.soidb.com/bangkok/massage/cefle.html[/url]

More observations.

I saw That Bacarra barfine I had the other day, her number is 066. She actually came up to me as if everything went fine. LOL. In her mind I bet everything went perfect and she wanted me to barfine her again. LOL.

079 knew I was eye fucking her and she came to where I was sitting, she actually smiled at me while she was on stage-what a shock. Before I could do anything she got called to another guy. I may want to waste another 100$ on a Baccara barfine. I'd be happy if she just lay on the bed and let me fondle her with the lights on.

Difference between barfining Rainbow 4 and Bacarra. I walked into Rainbow 4 and saw my favorite, went over and asked if she wanted a barfine, deal done. Didn't have to even buy a drink. LOL. Thats 6$ saved. Baccara you need to buy 2 lady drinks so effective barfine is 920 baht.

Popcorn at beginning of Soi Cowboy is quite good.

Hot girls earnings. The big thing that will limit a hot girls earnings is her stamina, I just don't think they can take the pounding day after day after day.

Example. My favorite at the beginning used to go home for 4 days and came right back to work. Then it went to 10 days the past few months. Her next trip home which is day after tomorrow she said will likely be 2 weeks. As much as the money is wanted the girls just can't take it physically.

She said she doesn't go for salary anymore. To get the salry you got to jump thru some major hoops.

For us its a lot of fun, for them its probably a nightmare. I just don't know how they do it.

While some of the coyote girls down soi cowboy do look good, most look kind of freakish. LOL.

A couple months ago I was checking a japan forum about agogos in BKK. Seems price was a major topicc. From what I could tell they knew price at Rainbows and Bacarra was 2500 short time.

Cefle is on the second sub soi off 33. Same soi as the Office bar which did have a sign on the corner of the sub soi. Also on 33 just before the corner of the sub soi on 33 is a place that does a good massage with no extras. Directly across from tenderloins restaurant.

If Cefle is busy I go the the other when in town. Just remember it is hard to get in on the weekend as the japanese in the area book them up pretty well. Now lets assume they are still there, they were as of last winter.

Hope this helps

I guess the consensus is I will have to do ugly massage first, then a young play thing after. And that is OK, I can handle that. Being a newbie to Thailand. So much to see and do! 14 days of bliss. So I will suffer through it.

Thanks guys.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1446695]If you want a real Thai massage, head over to the what Pho temple (near the Grand Palace) :

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wat_Pho.[/url]

Of course no happy endings there, but the massage is top! Then when fully rejuvenated, head back to the Sukhumvut area and have some fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1446845]Stickman sums it up quite nicely here:

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-bar-Asian-customers.htm[/url][/QUOTE]In one respect, I don't agree with Stickman. He writes: 'Asian customers in Bangkok's bar areas are generally younger and of a smaller stature than their farang brethren, and closer in size to Thai men. It's natural for women to be more attracted to men physically fit and of similar age. ' I have observed many times in Thermae that girls rejected young good looking Westerners and minutes later left with old, ugly Asians.

Yes, I read that too. I agree with the smaller stature, but if anything, I seem to see more young farangs than young Asian men. Most of the Asian men I see in the gogos are middle aged.

However, I do think he made three relevant points.

First[I],"Many Thai women in and out of the bar industry will say straight out that they prefer the look of Asian men."[/I] Look at the posters young Thai women hang in their rooms. They are of handsome, young Asian men.

Second, [I]"Asian men tend to be more focused on getting down to business. Find a girl, take her to a room, do the business, pay and leave. Seeking tenderness, warmth and someone to tell their problems to doesn't appear to have the same draw for Asian men as with many Westerners, and neither does the practice of using the bars as a place to find a wife."[/I] How often do you hear stories of some dumb chump from Japan or Korea getting taken to the cleaners by a gogo girl?

Third, [I]"Some Asian guys. Particularly the older guys. Tip very well, sometimes several thousand baht. They are also less likely to negotiate. They will accept a price offered or they won't. Negotiation doesn't really come in to it."[/I] If they find the girl and what she has to offer worth the price they close the deal. Otherwise they move on.

Last time I was at NEP I spotted a dancer, relatively tall with fair skin and very good looking, who caught my eye. When I got her attention she responded with a scowl. As I watched the reason for the scowl soon became clear. She was skillfully working a nearly table with three Japanese businessmen in their late fifties wearing suits sans jackets and ties. Between sets she sat with them and got each man to buy her a couple of lady drinks. When she danced all her attention was on them. After two dance sets and many rounds of lady drinks she left with all three men. I expect the mamasan collected three bar fines. I expect it was a very profitable evening for her. I expect the men were satisfied with what they got.

Asian vs Farang. Which do hooker want as customers?

Have you ever seen or heard of Asians being beaten up by bargirls or thai men? All the violence videos that pop up on youtube or whatever usually involve farang hooligans.

All the flying Pattaya farangs also indicates the mindset of the farang. Very few Asians try the superman jump from Pattaya balconies. LOL.

I bet my life if Asians paid less than farangs they would still be preffered as customers due to their pleasing demeanor.

Also Asians don't seem to want anal from hookers, so one girls says. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1447022]Yes, I read that too. I agree with the smaller stature, but if anything, I seem to see more young farangs than young Asian men. Most of the Asian men I see in the gogos are middle aged.[/QUOTE]I see very few young farangs at the top agogos. I see a whole lot of middle aged and older farangs. I think the young farangs out there looking for the FREE stuff. LOL. You know- beacuse they hansum and can give the girl pleasure- why they need to pay. LOL.

I do see a lot of young Asian guys-some are freaking good looking. The girls get excite when they see these types. LOL. I guess its like a badge of honor if a good looking Asian chooses you. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1446902]I posted this because from time to time other ISG members remark about how insulated Thai culture can be. I thought a group of college students failure to realize the poster they created was in bad taste was a good illustration of this very limited perspective.[/QUOTE]I live in the west too and have never seen the Holocaust shoved down my throat daily. But then again the horrors of the Holcaust and believed the Holocaust did happen. Some morons still don't believe it I. E. Mel Gibson and his daddy.

The Thais are not too hip about political correctness and they are relatively ignorant about Western history. I doubt they understand the offensiveness of a Hitler poster.

[QUOTE=Allover;1447105]The Thais are not too hip about political correctness and they are relatively ignorant about Western history. I doubt they understand the offensiveness of a Hitler poster.[/QUOTE]A few years ago, there was an Indian businessman who used the word Hitler in his shop's name. He couldn't understand the significance of using Hitler or the uproar that it created. He was unwilling to change the name unless someone paid him because of the cost. He eventually agreed to change the name.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1446677]The LA Times reports:

"Thailand's premier university has apologized for displaying Adolf Hitler on a banner alongside Superman and other superheroes, saying it was painted by ignorant students who didn't realize Hitler's image would offend anyone."

The banner was placed outside the art school at Chulalongkorn University as part of a tribute to this year's graduating class.[/QUOTE]And a few weeks ago there was that fast food chicken place that opened in Bangkok called Hitler's Chicken or something similar with a picture of Hitler in the same mode as Col Sanders. And not too long ago in Terminal 21 as you went on to the 2nd floor, I think it was, there was a small statue of Hitler giving the Hitler salute to greet people. Clearly a lot of Thai's just don't have a clue and probably don't even know what WWII was. To them it is some sort of chic fashion statement. Kind of like Mao became and he killed millions too.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1447180]And a few weeks ago there was that fast food chicken place that opened in Bangkok called Hitler's Chicken or something similar with a picture of Hitler in the same mode as Col Sanders. And not too long ago in Terminal 21 as you went on to the 2nd floor, I think it was, there was a small statue of Hitler giving the Hitler salute to greet people. Clearly a lot of Thai's just don't have a clue and probably don't even know what WWII was. To them it is some sort of chic fashion statement. Kind of like Mao became and he killed millions too.[/QUOTE]Don't forget all those fools especially here in Pattaya that drive around with the German military helmets and they also sells stickers which are very popular with the Thais that they put on their motorbikes and car bumpers. Yes they are ignorant of who he is because not much history is taught outside of Thailand if any?

LBM

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1446603]You will learn the hard way or the easy way. Up 2 you!

A real good massage followed by sex (fun time) with a hot girl is almost non-existant. I'm assuming you want fun time with a pretty girl. LOL.

Choose good massage by ugly old woman or sex?[/QUOTE]I sort of agree with this but would say have both, first a real massage by a real masseuse and then go elsewhere for pse sex. You can find info on real massage here, but buried or on a search website.

OOPS - I did not realize that the OP was 3 pages back when I answered. Never mind.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1446902]Hmm, I've lived in several cities in the USA and never experienced having the Holocaust shoved down my throat. However, I do have friends who are Austrian Jews. It was very sad to go through a family photo album with them for the first time and learn that almost everyone in the family born before the late 1940's died in a concentration camp.

I posted this because from time to time other ISG members remark about how insulated Thai culture can be. I thought a group of college students failure to realize the poster they created was in bad taste was a good illustration of this very limited perspective.[/QUOTE]How much do any of you westerners know Asian history? Be it that of Japan, China, Thai, Vietnam, Cambodia or Laos. And then that of India, Tibet, Sri Lanka or any other nations? Surveys after surveys show that american kids do not even know where Iraq or Afghanistan is? How much is world history taught in America or England? Easy to say Thai do not know western history. Do you?

Hi all,

I'll soon be transferring flights in Bangkok and will have about 18 hours layover from early AM until about 9PM in which to play.

My question is, if you wanted the once-in-a-lifetime Bangkok experience, where would you go for somewhere that;

A. Is safe, both in terms of viruses & personal / property safety.

B. Has genuinely top-level girls, genuinely in their early early twenties.

C. Has girls who hopefully aren't being forced into anything

D. Is simple to access and use, preferably without me having to rent a hotel etc.

I guess I would have up to (but preferably much under!) 7,000 Bhat to spend for a single encounter and I'm open to most suggestions (2 girls etc)

I really have no idea where to start since it seems so vast in Bangkok so I defer to the better judgment of the experienced gentlemen here!

Cheers

Per square meter Rainbow 1 has got to be the Premier agogo in term of good faces. LOL.

[quote=ariscasa;1447230]how much do any of you westerners know asian history? be it that of japan, china, thai, vietnam, cambodia or laos. and then that of india, tibet, sri lanka or any other nations? surveys after surveys show that american kids do not even know where iraq or afghanistan is? how much is world history taught in america or england? easy to say thai do not know western history. do you?[/quote]excellent point ariscasa.

i was lucky and got a good education in world geography starting in primary school, took courses on the history of countries outside of north america and europe through college, and love to read about different countries and cultures. this topic is one of my pet peeves. i'm going to ask some random people i expect to run into today how much they know about the killing fields and the nanjing massacre.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1447022]How often do you hear stories of some dumb chump from Japan or Korea getting taken to the cleaners by a gogo girl?

Third, [I]"Some Asian guys. Particularly the older guys. Tip very well, sometimes several thousand baht. They are also less likely to negotiate. They will accept a price offered or they won't. Negotiation doesn't really come in to it."[/I] If they find the girl and what she has to offer worth the price they close the deal. Otherwise they move on.[/QUOTE]No I have heard, instead, of some dumb chump Thai girl marrying a very selfish Japanese, or perhaps being taken to Japan to become a slave servant girl.

I thought it was generally accepted that Farangs tip much better than local Asians, with some super-rich exceptions, and that Japanese normally do not tip at all according to their culture.

I agree that many Thai girls prefer Asian men. On the other hand there are Thai girls that have been "burned" by abusive untrustworthy Thai men and are looking for something different. They cannot all be the same.