Moscow

Visited B2B. Nice club. Several levels of music. Demokratichni club, where face control is non-existant. As a result, the music is very nice, crowd is nice, BUT no really good-looking ladies. Good place to visit with few friends from work to dance for the very nice music.

I did hear that Soho Rooms is a hot place in town, where glamour-looking Russians are going. Hope to go there next time.

Aibolit.

I like B2 because it is always crowded and have a real russian douma. Of course, you can only target the middle-class girl who will be far from being a top model, but there are still doable girls. Once every 3 months, i like to go to this club.

Went yesterday to Up and Down: we were maximum 100 people inside...amazingly empty.

[quote=passepartout]went yesterday to up and down: we were maximum 100 people inside...amazingly empty.[/quote]i heard through the grapevine they had some sort of legal problem (official reason was not enough fire exits iirc) and that they even shut down for a while, but am not sure.

[QUOTE=Aibolit]
My recommendation to anyone here is not to visit Fantasys. I check all their girls before making the final selection. The verdict is that they are not that pretty for the most part and those who are act as unfriendly as it gets. Plus, this place is now really overpriced at 4500 rubles/hour.
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Sorry you had a bad time. I feel somewhat responsible, but on the other hand, it's not that I gave false info. 90% of the time I go to these salons, I do have a good time. Though I concur with many of your comments:
1) 4500 an hour is very steep. What you're paying for isn't necessarily the girl. It's also the location, the newly remodeled interior, the discretion, the marketing...
2) many of the girls there have been around the block a few (dozen) times. Not all, but many.
3) all of my favorites have left within the past few months: Nastya and Tanya at Fantasy's, Natasha and Masha at Charmel

Here's my critical analysis, for what it's worth:
a) if they only had 3 girls available, then you went at a bad time and should have turned tail then. To compare, there are usually 10 girls waiting when I visit, and at least half are smiling, if not being downright flirtatious
b) follow your initial instincts. If you feel there's no chemistry, then you're almost certainly right. Head for the door or request another girl.
c) though I've seen her a few times, I've never had Oksana. Reviews on her are actually fairly decent, though, and she is genuinely cute. Which leads to my final point:
d) YMMV. Wh0res are human, after all. And just like us, they have good days and bad days. Even a 3 star French restaurant can serve up mediocre food now and then, and with something as subjective and personal as sex, there's no way any establishment can satisfy all desires. Hope you have better luck next time, wherever it may be.

I am looking for some normal guys that want to join me on my hunting tours. I have been living in Moscow for five years and quite a lot of experience concerning behavior, clubs and places in general.

Unfortunately, most of my buddies returned back to the US or Western Europe and chasing for pussy on my own is only half fun. I am a 28-years old German, but was living in the US for 1.5 years.

Looking forward for birds of a feather.

Peter Schiller

[QUOTE=Peter Schiller]...I have been living in Moscow for five years...[/QUOTE]

A good beginning could be if you will share with us all the gold and precious infos you learned in 5 years in Moscow... not all, it enough some ;)

[QUOTE=Peter Schiller]I am looking for some normal guys that want to join me on my hunting tours. I have been living in Moscow for five years and quite a lot of experience concerning behavior, clubs and places in general.

Unfortunately, most of my buddies returned back to the US or Western Europe and chasing for pussy on my own is only half fun. I am a 28-years old German, but was living in the US for 1.5 years.

Looking forward for birds of a feather.

Peter Schiller[/QUOTE]I am in Moscow for the weekend and would love hunting.

Let me know how to contact you.

Here masters have reminded: Moscow is good IF you come for business and your company pays almost everything for you, otherwise the city is one of most expensive in the world, with no respect of quality.

Who wants to try Russia for sex, please try other cities first.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Here masters have reminded: Moscow is good IF you come for business and your company pays almost everything for you, otherwise the city is one of most expensive in the world, with no respect of quality.

Who wants to try Russia for sex, please try other cities first.[/QUOTE]I have a question, though: Which cities would you try first?

[QUOTE=Castonthis]I have a question, though: Which cities would you try first?[/QUOTE] UFA!!!! ....... Just kidding. Ufa is great but not exactly cheap. Although Lukasek had some great luck about a year ago. Suggest you look at some of his posts. He spent about a month in Russia on a budget and didn't go to Moscow. Of course, the problem is that once you leave the big cities, there are a lot few people who speak English so you have to be prepared for fending for yourself. But once you get out into the provinces prices for everything come way down.

[QUOTE=Castonthis]I have a question, though: Which cities would you try first?[/QUOTE]St.Petersburg in the winter months is quite affordable. In the summer however the accomadation prices are quite high.

Generally speaking it is a bit cheaper than Moscow, including paid sex.

Provinces (and that means any city besides Moscow or Petes) have some advantages, but be prepared for the following:

1) you must entertain yourself. Most weekdays are rather dead, everything concentrates on the weekends.

2) P4P can be very well hidden and basically you will have trouble finding it unless you speak Russian or are a courageous body language speaker, meaning you have a thick skin and good people skills.

[QUOTE=Peter Schiller]I am looking for some normal guys that want to join me on my hunting tours. I have been living in Moscow for five years and quite a lot of experience concerning behavior, clubs and places in general.

Unfortunately, most of my buddies returned back to the US or Western Europe and chasing for pussy on my own is only half fun. I am a 28-years old German, but was living in the US for 1.5 years.

Looking forward for birds of a feather.

Peter Schiller[/QUOTE]

Good idea! I would be interested in meeting with some like minded gents in Moscow for some interesting hunting. Let me know how I can contact you!

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]St.Petersburg in the winter months is quite affordable. In the summer however the accomadation prices are quite high.

Generally speaking it is a bit cheaper than Moscow, including paid sex.

Provinces (and that means any city besides Moscow or Petes) have some advantages, but be prepared for the following:

1) you must entertain yourself. Most weekdays are rather dead, everything concentrates on the weekends.

2) P4P can be very well hidden and basically you will have trouble finding it unless you speak Russian or are a courageous body language speaker, meaning you have a thick skin and good people skills.[/QUOTE]

IMHO, the freebie scene here in Moscow is still damn good, particularly if you speak no Russian. Kiev, Minsk and the provinces are better in terms of desperation factor, but on the other hand, there aren't as many fluent English speakers out there either. In Moscow you can find cultured, intelligent and good looking young women who not only speak English, but are looking for opportunities to practice it (and other things, if you catch my drift).

Of course you need some game, and need to scale your expectations with what you see in the mirror. I've found I [b]always[/b] kill 'em if I'm wearing one of my best Italian suits -- so dress the part, be confident and don't be afraid to grab some ass (and I mean that in the most literal way).

[QUOTE=Pizdyets] I've found I always kill 'em if I'm wearing one of my best Italian suits -- so dress the part[/QUOTE]
+1. Slavic girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress to the tens, and anything less than a equally well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and class will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.

Personally in EE/FSU I dress in upper-quality and non-monogrammed (being classy but non ostentatious is an important point IMO, and anyway looooong gone are the days when Russian girls were impressed by ostentatiously logoed clothes) Zegna, P.Zileri or Boss casual line clothing. Shoes are also overly important, and in that respect nothing can beat a pair of Santoni or Berluti.

[QUOTE=Prosal]+1. Slavic girls are undoubtedly some of the most fashion-conscious women on earth and are VERY good at gauging what you wear. Fake and cheap gets you nowhere. It's a turn-off for 99% of the girls. They love to dress to the tens, and anything less than a equally well-groomed guy is not a guy worth fucking. Especially if you're a foreigner. A guy coming from the West and not dressed with style and class will be immediatly and irremediably categorized as a total loser. Many mongers travelling to FSU don't really realize it, but that's how is women's mentality in this part of the world.

Personally in EE/FSU I dress in upper-quality and non-monogrammed (being classy but non ostentatious is an important point IMO, and anyway looong gone are the days when Russian girls were impressed by monogrammed clothes) Zegna, P.Zileri or Boss casual line clothing. Shoes are also overly important, and in that respect nothing can beat a pair of Santoni or Berluti.[/QUOTE]

Ditto on all of that. But here's a thought for contrast.
I was in Moscow last summer and visited the sports wear place in Chisti Prudy (forget the name). They had a lot of "Bogner" clothing on sale so I bought navy polo shirt at 70% off. I wore it out that night with a tired (but clean and pressed) pair of jeans and boat shoes (with no socks) and got hit on and smiled at continually. It couldn't have been the jeans, it wasn't the shoes, and it CERTAINLY wasn't my boyish good looks (or lack thereof ;) ). But when a guy is wearing an untucked polo short with a big "B" on the chest that regularly retails at $250, it's like broadcasting a message that says, "I have more money than brains and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks". There's a confidence issue there at work that appeals to those girls who know their brands. And the Moscow girls CERTAINLY know their brands!!!!