Manila

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Nope and it has not persuaded me from going to Café. [/QUOTE]

Interested to know your get-up DW, if you are going out to the cafe on rhe razz? Do you go laden down with your gold bling and wearing your fine threads?

Me, I prefer to dress way down when I go out on the prowl. Anonymous gear, cheap watch, no jewelery, definitely no credit cards and just sufficient cash for the evenings entertainment. This way the girls think I'm down on my luck and offer me their bodies at knockdown rates and the street hoodlums leave me be. In fact, one even offered me HIS loose change the other night;).

Merry Xmas to you. GH

[QUOTE=Gamahucher]Interested to know your get-up DW, if you are going out to the cafe on rhe razz? Do you go laden down with your gold bling and wearing your fine threads?

Me, I prefer to dress way down when I go out on the prowl. Anonymous gear, cheap watch, no jewelery, definitely no credit cards and just sufficient cash for the evenings entertainment. This way the girls think I'm down on my luck and offer me their bodies at knockdown rates and the street hoodlums leave me be. In fact, one even offered me HIS loose change the other night;).

Merry Xmas to you. GH[/QUOTE]

GH whenever I am out and about I am always in something stylish (clothing, Armani, Lacoste) and expensive. (Could be growing up dirt poor so now I have a little money I like to flaunt it don’t know :confused: ) I remember a Filipina I used to fuck in Quezon City about 4 years ago said I acted like a woman in terms of my appearance and how “clean” I was.

That being said I use common sense, when I am in PI I only wear my diamond earring and that’s it. Me and the ole lady have been discussing removing that because I like having my earlobe intact. Let me just say its gets way more attention than it should. The watch and necklace which cost a king’s ransom are left at home. They only see the light of day in two places I frequent Dubai and Bangkok and in Bangkok only during daylight hours.

I would love to hear a couple of more stories about the brothel called Roman Suites, behind the Hotel Renaissance. There have already been a couple of good reports lately, but I would like to hear more. Anyone have any photos of girls from there?

Unless you are sending very strong "buy" signals. Meaning, getting married. Then every filipina will have numerous fall back options. Simply housing and feeding a stray is no insurance against her a) changing her ways, or b) fucking all her old boyfriends when you aren't watching. (BTW. This goes for US born filipinas as well) If you haven't bought. Then you are still shopping, and so is she.

Everyone seems to lose sight of the fact that the PI is a dirt poor country with a culture based on distrust. In the west, if you are a bank teller or operate a cash register it is somewhat assumed that you can be trusted to handle money. There is a reason why each check stand here is manned by three (randomly selected) employees. You simply aren't guilty of doing anything wrong unless you are caught. That's the cultural norm. Management expects you to steal if you aren't being watched.

Oh, doh "Thank god they are not all like that. ". A joke, you sir – are funny! LOL

OK. On to the good stuff. Christmas Eve at the Roman Suites

Had to work on Wed but did bug out a little early for some final shopping and a stop by the Suites. It seemed fitting to celebrate the birth of Christ by spilling less seed on the ground and getting biblical with some cute mocha-chika!

Roman Suites is easy to find – it's on Pasay Rd. Directly behind the new Residences at Greenbelt (which is next door to the Renaissance Hotel), it's a five minute walk from the Greenbelt 3 / Havana Cafe area – landmarks are Cable Car Bar, BPI (convenient ATM), Roman Suites, if you get to JVC you have gone too far. Walked in, to the left – up the stairs (staying left and then up the brick stairs) to the parlor. Turn right, and walk right into the fishbowl. Todays lucky winner was a cute little spinner with the largest natural tits I've ever seen on such a tiny filipina. Her outfit actually hid how seriously topheavy and firm this girl was. Price for the room was p1200 – paid, escorted in by the blow-hop who turned on the aircon, and the TV, then left. When the door closed, I turned the set off and unplugged it.

The girl arrives and after introductions asks if I want another girl to join us. This set my expectations for the session quite low – however, when her top came off I made a commitment to take one for the team. She then washes me off in the shower (paying some nice soapy attention to the toolbox) – and while I finished showering she squats (standing) on the toilet and began to clean her working gear. It always amazes me when I see the locals squatting on the bowl and explains why it's so hard to find a toilet seat here in the PI. (they tend to snap in half and never get replaced) In any event we finish up and start with the massage.

The massage wasn't that great – certainly not as good as others I have had before. It's the usual back, arms, legs, tickle the boys and flip you over routine. The condom was skillfully applied orally – and at this point the session went from fairly uninteresting to very good. Once I was hard she started with the kissing thing (but not the lips – this was no GFE) and got right down on my cock – she was extremely tight with excellent muscle control. This girl clearly loves the cock. Watching her incredible figure do the deed in several positions (noisy, and orgasmic) was quite enjoyable and academically interesting in that "fucking a busty Japanime schoolgirl" way. We played for about 20 minutes before I let it go at which point she clamped down and milked me like a pro. Probably not a repeat – but far better than some recent experiences. Nice girl who probably doesn't like P2P but loves to get fucked. We clean up. I tip her a little above and beyond (p1500 + p500 xmas bonus), she kisses me on the cheek and heads back to the fishbowl – I pack up and continue on my way.

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ShadowAxis....Thanks for the report and your insight into the filipina psyche. You are on target with your observations

Well done ShadowAxis, and an excellent description of the Filipino perspectives on trust and money. The "no one is trusted" point of view exists all over the country and is nowhere more prevalent than here in Davao. As you rightly point out, the assumption is that if people are given the opportunity to steal, they will, so the one who touches the money is always watched like a hawk. I was speaking a couple of days ago to a young man I know who has recently opened a Japanese restaurant here, and he told me that his customers will be encouraged to use plastic, since he figures whatever he has to pay Visa will more than offset his constant worries about theft.

As to the loyalties of Filipinas, I think that deep down, most Filipinas know that most men are "butterflies," and they assume, regardless of your relationship with them, that given the opportunity, you're going to be screwing other women. This being the case, they have no qualms at all about screwing other guys when you're not around. Added to this belief is the opportunity to possibly make a few more bucks. I doubt that there's anything romantic about the extra curricular screwing--it's just practical. How many of us, after all, have been locked into a bedroom with an adorable young thing who has just screwed our brains out, and within ten minutes of sexual completion answers her cell phone to assure her boyfriend in the States that she's at home alone pining only for him? It's happened to me on numerous occasions and I just know I'm not alone in this experience.

The bottom line for us? Enjoy the country. Enjoy the endless sexual opportunities and possibilities, and never delude yourself into thinking it's anything more than good clean fun.

GE

[QUOTE=ShadowAxis]

Everyone seems to lose sight of the fact that the PI is a dirt poor country with a culture based on distrust. [/QUOTE]

Have you noted that the major role of the ubiquitous armed security guards, which are found in great numbers in every establishment from stores to fast food restaurants, is to frisk outgoing members of staff. I imagine that, poorly paid as they are, positions at places such as SM must be greatly prized, as they spend a good part of their working day patting down cute, little shopgirls ;).

Filipino's have a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor reputation throughout the region, as a nation of light fingered kleptomaniacs. I recall, a couple of years ago in Thailand, being told by a girl that her cellphone had been recently stolen, and, although she had not one shred of evidence, she suspected it had been taken by a Filipino. Amazing! Apparently, gangs travel over from Manila, with the sole intention to purloin as many CP's as possible. True? Who knows.

I do not carry a wallet in the Philippines (been relieved twice by pickpockets), so I carry banknotes loose in my pockets. How many times have I accidentally dropped notes which have been promptly returned to me by a honest Filipino/a walking behind me? Too many times to recall.

Its an enigma but I would suggest that the 'culture of distrust', endemic here, does not mean that the average Pinoy/Pinay is, in reality, any less trustworthy than any other nationality. GH

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Well done ShadowAxis, and an excellent description of the Filipino perspectives on trust and money. The "no one is trusted" point of view exists all over the country and is nowhere more prevalent than here in Davao. As you rightly point out, the assumption is that if people are given the opportunity to steal, they will, so the one who touches the money is always watched like a hawk. I was speaking a couple of days ago to a young man I know who has recently opened a Japanese restaurant here, and he told me that his customers will be encouraged to use plastic, since he figures whatever he has to pay Visa will more than offset his constant worries about theft.[/QUOTE]
GE in a country where money is so 'hard to come by' is it so unexpected that people watch every centavo? I operate several business's here ranging from service industry to retail. I recruit employees through my social network rather than cold. This means i can place a lot of trust in my employees because they are known & embedded in a socio-cultural milieu which prevents abuse of that trust. I have only had a problem with one person, a guy of course. In general my female emplyees are impeccable & will even come to me if they suspicions about another person. Big employers like SM don't have this luxury so they have to implement systems to prevent theft the same as any big retailer in any country.

* I come form a business family. Back in Australia we have exactly the same concerns about theft prevention as here in the PI. I would say that in general my female filipino employees are far more trust worthy than the Aussie ones.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]As to the loyalties of Filipinas, I think that deep down, most Filipinas know that most men are "butterflies," and they assume, regardless of your relationship with them, that given the opportunity, you're going to be screwing other women. This being the case, they have no qualms at all about screwing other guys when you're not around. Added to this belief is the opportunity to possibly make a few more bucks. I doubt that there's anything romantic about the extra curricular screwing--it's just practical. How many of us, after all, have been locked into a bedroom with an adorable young thing who has just screwed our brains out, and within ten minutes of sexual completion answers her cell phone to assure her boyfriend in the States that she's at home alone pining only for him? It's happened to me on numerous occasions and I just know I'm not alone in this experience.[/QUOTE]
Yeah GE you're not alone i this but be careful! Exposure to P4P women poisons our perceptions! This is not 'normal' behavior in PI.

The butterfly thing is practiced avidly by Filipino men so I guess when a girl grows up seeing it all around her she expects all men to behave like that... I don't agree that all Filipino women then are automatically polygamous because of it.

The AVERAGE filipino girl dreams of finding a nice man who will love her forever. She will be socially inhibited to be absolutely loyal to him. Girls in big cities far from their families & their socio-cultural millieu, less so, girls in the province, more so. i know many many long term happily married couples back in my home country. The Filipino women of 20 - 30 years ago are not the same now. The wide spread deployment of the internet has made many filipino women of this generation a little less naive but in general if form a sensible relationship with a decent 'normal girl' you will have a good wife. By sensible i mean not a 78yr guy marrying an 18yr girl.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]The bottom line for us? Enjoy the country. Enjoy the endless sexual opportunities and possibilities, and never delude yourself into thinking it's anything more than good clean fun.
GE[/QUOTE]Yeah GE I agree, I really think unless you are here full time its good advice to guys not to take things too seriously. In my opinion any guy contemplating a relationship with a Filipino woman should come here & live with her for 6 months before committing for a variety of reasons (how strong is her utang? Is she a 'normal' girl or is she an ex P4P'er masquerading as a 'normal' girl etc).

Anyone reading this can tell that I am against marrying a P4P'er not because of stupid morality but because once they crossed the line P4P'ers tend to be cynical, manipulative & greedy. Somebody will tell me they know a marriage involving a P4P'er that was successful but my god the risks of getting involved with one is very high indeed.
AV

AV:

Thanks so much for the extensive response. I do not operate several businesses here, but I do help manage an enterprise that employs lots and lots of people. And I work with some expats who have been here far longer than my meager five years...and I have, I'm sure assimilated some of their perceptions as well. I cannot as yet, generalize about the intrinsic honesty of "most" Filipinos. I can say however, with a fair degree of certainty, that to many, what we might consider as "cheating" would be considered by them as intelligent and acceptably opportunistic behavior. I'm not talking here of major theft; more of taking the chance to grab a little "extra" here and there when the opportunity presents itself. But again, our situations are different and I do not work in a milieu that involves lots of cash changing hands.

I do not think my perceptions of what Filipinas may think about male behavior has been skewed by associations on the P4P scene. To the contrary, I have met too many thoroughly middle class Filipinas who seem to have the "all men are butterflies" mentality, and too many Filipinos who have several bits on the side to think otherwise. The chasing after "my destiny" or "the one who will be with me forever," is a romantic ideal that, in my experience, has rarely been achieved here--or anywhere else that I've lived for that matter.

I completely support your advice about living with a woman for an extended period before granting even a modicum of trust. Even then, I don't think that it ever pays to trust at the 100% level. Unlike you, I don't know any long-term marriages that are truly happy in which both partners remain fulfilled. Most of the long-married people I know have reached accommodations with each other, but I would not confuse this with happiness.

Maybe we ought to get together the next time I'm in Manila and compare notes.

GE

I was bemused to read the chit chat about pinoys as butterflies, cheating on their women.

Interestingly, the social and sexual behaviours of both young males and young females are taught to them by their mothers. And also interestingly, it is taught by facial expression.

So the pinoys behave that way because they are trained to do so by their mothers.

Some time ago, a bunch of us were chatting about such topics, and one filipina started the same thing, "all pinoys are cheats and butterflies, totally untrustworthy". But then she made the key remark "but her son can f*ck any girl that he wants". And that is it in a nutshell.

So the macho behaviour of the pinoy comes from his mother. But also the same in the US, Canada, Aust etc.

Interesting.

Same thing goes for domestic violence. If the women seriously want to stop men beating their wives, then it is the mothers who have the power to stop it.

G

[QUOTE=GoodEnough]AV:

Thanks so much for the extensive response. I do not operate several businesses here, but I do help manage an enterprise that employs lots and lots of people. And I work with some expats who have been here far longer than my meager five years...and I have, I'm sure assimilated some of their perceptions as well. I cannot as yet, generalize about the intrinsic honesty of "most" Filipinos. I can say however, with a fair degree of certainty, that to many, what we might consider as "cheating" would be considered by them as intelligent and acceptably opportunistic behavior. I'm not talking here of major theft; more of taking the chance to grab a little "extra" here and there when the opportunity presents itself. But again, our situations are different and I do not work in a milieu that involves lots of cash changing hands.

I do not think my perceptions of what Filipinas may think about male behavior has been skewed by associations on the P4P scene. To the contrary, I have met too many thoroughly middle class Filipinas who seem to have the "all men are butterflies" mentality, and too many Filipinos who have several bits on the side to think otherwise. The chasing after "my destiny" or "the one who will be with me forever," is a romantic ideal that, in my experience, has rarely been achieved here--or anywhere else that I've lived for that matter.

I completely support your advice about living with a woman for an extended period before granting even a modicum of trust. Even then, I don't think that it ever pays to trust at the 100% level. Unlike you, I don't know any long-term marriages that are truly happy in which both partners remain fulfilled. Most of the long-married people I know have reached accommodations with each other, but I would not confuse this with happiness.

Maybe we ought to get together the next time I'm in Manila and compare notes.

GE[/QUOTE]Thanks GE for your gracious response. Its good to share different experiences & perspectives. I think we are both firmly in agreement to approach this joint with caution, both eyes & ears open and always have a plan 'B'. I'd like to add be adaptable & don't take anything too seriously. And, no matter how long you live here & no matter how well connected you are always remember - you are not one of them!

I get constant warnings from ex-pats who have vastly more experience than me & I do listen. Some of it is a bit hysterical, but I do listen.

Shadow axis made a point that resonates very strongly with me and that is to not attract attention to yourself. With me its instinctive to keep a low profile & keep the locals guessing. When I read about DW & others flashing 'bling' about, my god, I mentally cringe. Maybe fun for dazzling chicks into your bed but my god the risks!

Gangles makes a great point about filipino mothers tacitly endorsing the bad behavior of their sons whilst demanding monastic behavior from their daughters. Living amongst them, it does indeed seem that way.

Ah this is a place of strange almost schizophrenic contradictions. On the one hand some people will rob you blind on the other hand people are capable of great acts of generosity. A few months ago I was traveling in north west Mindanao & got stuck with a flight cancellation, all ATM's out of order because of a fire at a gas bottle station that took out major phone lines, out of load on my cell phone & very low on cash. I needed accommodation for the night & was helped out by a local boarding house owner to an embarrassing extent. Recently my #1 GF volunteered to pay all my meals & hotel bill when i found I had left my ATM card behind. I paid her back of course. She did not hassle me for the money & has never been a leech on me. I have met plenty that do attempt to leech. They're gone because their are too many more waiting in the line to be bothered with wasting time on them.

Regarding getting together for a drink & a 'chin wag' as us aussies call it, yeah, maybe we can catch up some time. In the past I have always been very careful to quarantine my ISG affiliations from my domestic life but since asawa ko vanished a couple of months ago I'm a little less concerned now.
Take care mate!
AV

I don't know about the experience of other longer-term expatriates here. I find though that the longer I stay here, the less I understand and the more difficult it becomes to make accurate generalizations. Like AV, I've experienced "the kindness of strangers" often during my tenure here. Conversely, I've been subject to blatant rip-off and scam attempts. My way of dealing with this is to treat each encounter individualistically and I struggle, in each case, not to make prior assumptions, since I could well be wrong.

I agree completely about maintaining a low profile at all times, and trying never to call any attention to yourself. I also try very hard not to divulge any sort of meaningful personal information lest someone try to use it against me at some point. I do not always succeed, and I've embarrassed my asawa on more than one occasion by "losing it" over some exhibition of particularly noteworthy stupidity or incompetence encountered along the way. But I've gotten much better at managing my temper and it now takes an act of egregious stupidity to prompt me to fly off the handle.

One of the problems here is that you never know when a single act that calls attention to yourself will come back to haunt you. I have a friend, locally married and with a kid, who has lived here for years. Admittedly, he's a hot tempered Aussie and hardly the epitome of calm. Once, when flying back with his family, business class on PAL, from Davao to Manila, he got into a loud altercation with a flight attendant who claimed that he struck her. Unfortunately for him, this occurred right in front of Boy Nograles, now Speaker of the House. Within two days the Immigration Police were at his door, found some "irregularities" with his visa, and he spent a month in jail.

It's important to remember that we're strangers in a strange land and that we will never be part of this culture and will probably never understand it fully. Better then to quietly enjoy what the country has to offer, maintain our privacy, be careful whom we trust, and never trust completely.

GE

[QUOTE=Amavida]Shadow axis made a point that resonates very strongly with me and that is to not attract attention to yourself. With me its instinctive to keep a low profile & keep the locals guessing. When I read about DW & others flashing 'bling' about, my god, I mentally cringe. Maybe fun for dazzling chicks into your bed but my god the risks!



Ah this is a place of strange almost schizophrenic contradictions. On the one hand some people will rob you blind on the other hand people are capable of great acts of generosity.

AV[/QUOTE]

I am 20 something year old black guy who lives in Asia. It’s hard for me to keep a “low profile” no matter what I wear I will draw attention to myself. People stare at me everywhere I go in PI and in Asia in general.

I am not all “blinged up” when I am out and about in PI I pointed this out in my last post on this thread but I do where nice clothes. I just can’t go out in flip flops and “Tank Top” shirts. My father always taught me to look nice when you are out and about no matter where you are.

Dazzling with Filipinas with bling…please. Most of my T-shirts cost a months pay for a nurse here but do they know that? Umm No. If you want to dazzle chicks with your clothes and jewelry this is a hobby best perpetuated in the west where people actually know what “Armani” is.

Impressing most Filipinas with wealth is fruitless they seem to wrongly assume foreigners have bottomless wallets anyway.

As for your talks of generosity I dropped 20K pesos cash out of my pocket at Boracay last Christmas and a Filipina came running in her flip flops to return it to me. Do I think someone would return it to me in the “hood” where I grew up? Um no.

[QUOTE=Gangles]I was bemused to read the chit chat about pinoys as butterflies, cheating on their women.

So the pinoys behave that way because they are trained to do so by their mothers.

Some time ago, a bunch of us were chatting about such topics, and one filipina started the same thing, "all pinoys are cheats and butterflies, totally untrustworthy". But then she made the key remark "but her son can f*ck any girl that he wants". And that is it in a nutshell.

Same thing goes for domestic violence. If the women seriously want to stop men beating their wives, then it is the mothers who have the power to stop it.

G[/QUOTE]When in Phils over past 20 years Ive often been amused by the way Filipinas would react positively to small acts of kindness and courtesy. Seemed an easy way to bed them. They would aways tell me Im such a gentleman compared to Pinoys..who only want to get drunk, and bed the girl then move onto the next girl.
Then I heard the same comments from my ocassional Thai freebies about Thai men. Then same in Indonesia about Indonesian men.

Even sometimes , same in China.
My point being that small acts of courtesy, making a girl feel good, and treating her politely ( would you please suck that now darling ?) are guaranteed crowd pleasing acts compared to locals

it is so important to realize the importance of ‘face’ when dealing with filipino’s. it is similar, but, probably due to latin antecedents, slightly different from the concept of ‘face’ found in china and other asian country. hard to pin down, it seems to me to be encapsulated in the word ‘hiya’, which literally means shame or disgrace. a pinoy or foreigner who plays up or otherwise acts badly (as did ge’s aussie plane guy) is ‘walang hiya’ (without shame, loses face) and is beneath contempt in filipino eyes.

it is very difficult, given the frequent inanities and frustrations inherent in day to day living for expats in the philippines, to maintain an unruffled and ‘hiya’ free exterior (i find a deep breath and counting to ten does have therapeutic qualities), but, again in reference to ge’s salutary tale, it is better to try and retain ones dignity as you do not always know who might be listening in to the obnoxious ‘kano’s’ loudmouthed outburst.

so i would definitely second the concept of a foreigner maintaining as low a profile as possible and to avoid, wherever possible, any unwanted attention. it pays dividends.