Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2982665]Well, it looks like NATO is off the table for UA[/QUOTE]Actually, if you think about it, NATO was always off the table. Yes, Biden was deceptive and kept the carrot dangling, but it was all BS. If you read Biden's statements, he was always non committal to Ukraine joining NATO, knowing full well it just wasn't going to happen. What Hegseth / Trump did the other day was just set the record straight and honestly, which I respect.

Furthermore, Hegseth pretty much said the war is over if you listen carefully to his comments. He also implied that Russia would get to keep the 4 new territories plus Crimea. And no NATO membership for Ukraine. Those are the 2 core Russian demands.

Now you can sit down and work towards an agreement, which will be very very tricky and may not even happen in my opinion. If that is the case, wait for the collapse of the Ukrainian army and the Russians take swaths of more land and you reach a frozen conflict, the most likely scenario IMHO. Although I hope Trump has the courage to negotiate something with Putin along the lines of what Hegseth said.

And yes, game over. Is any of this a surprise? I said this would happen from day 1. But the Pro Ukraine delusional fools had this pipe dream that just got BUTT FUCKED.

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Thanks for admitting the war was worthless.[/QUOTE]Do these people fucking care? No. It's the Ukrainians that died for nothing, it was Ukraine that got wrecked. A lot of Russians died, so they will be all for it. And the MIC made a lot of money.

Disgusting and beyond tragic.

And one can't help but once again bring up Istanbul in April 2022. The terms back then and the terms now. Huge difference. Hundreds of thousands dead.

No NATO, no pre 2014 borders.

Unbelievable.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2982781]Do these people fucking care? No. It's the Ukrainians that died for nothing, it was Ukraine that got wrecked. A lot of Russians died, so they will be all for it. And the MIC made a lot of money.

Disgusting and beyond tragic.

And one can't help but once again bring up Istanbul in April 2022. The terms back then and the terms now. Huge difference. Hundreds of thousands dead.

No NATO, no pre 2014 borders.

Unbelievable.[/QUOTE]Russians died for nothing, killed by Putin craziness, when Ukrainians died to defend their land and freedom, when they don t want to belong to shameful dictator Putin. I wish Ukraine will keep Donetsk, Dniepro, Marioupol and Odessa, at least. No Crimea would not change, when Putin fucked elections there, like he also tried in Georgia, Moldavia and Romania.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]No, dimwit, the deal is not the same. No, it wasn't for nothing. In the last 2 years Ukraine has considerably improved its military standing, and no one will dare demand that they reduce their armed forces to 40,000 people today. You still haven't done any reading on the specifics of the Putin's 2022 "deal", you're just parroting the talking points of paid Russian propacondoms.

If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer. My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.[/QUOTE]Courageous Ukrainians showed to the world how Russian army is now weak. Putin is crazy, but we know military weak.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2982796]Russians died for nothing, killed by Putin craziness, when Ukrainians died to defend their land and freedom, when they don t want to belong to shameful dictator Putin. I wish Ukraine will keep Donetsk, Dniepro, Marioupol and Odessa, at least. No Crimea would not change, when Putin fucked elections there, like he also tried in Georgia, Moldavia and Romania.[/QUOTE]Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2982872]Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you for stopping this war between brothers, when so many mixed families and already too many deaths, but when Putin already robbed Crimea by fucking elections with telegram, Russians must go home out of official Ukraine borders and Ukrainians will leave Koursk. I worry stupid Trump and Vance make a lot of noise, but Putin hold Trump balls in his hand, so, USA should not be good for Ukraine borders and I wish EU and Ukraine will resist to USA lack of knowledge. When You don t know, You can t decide for others. But, world now know Putin is military weak, needing to send 50 yo guys to be killed for money, when he was not able to defeat courageous with balls Ukrainians in 3 years. Fortunately for freedom, versus a dictator. Great Russia really deserve much better than such dictator, to be more welcome in our world, not only with China, north Korea, Al Assad, lands of no human rights. Wake up Russians, stop to be so blind.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2982872]Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.[/QUOTE]Only villages around, but not Donetsk city.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]No, dimwit, the deal is not the same. No, it wasn't for nothing.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well, if it is not the same, that would mean it could only be better or worse.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]In the last 2 years Ukraine has considerably improved its military standing, and no one will dare demand that they reduce their armed forces to 40,000 people today.[/QUOTE]Uh, Xpartan, can they afford that many troops without Western aid? I know to a "Palestinian" like you that is the only thing they should spend money on, but I have a feeling they may have a better use for that money.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]You still haven't done any reading on the specifics of the Putin's 2022 "deal", you're just parroting the talking points of paid Russian propacondoms.[/QUOTE]Yawn, you are the one saying the fighting resulted in Ukraine having a better deal. Or you have implied it with your assertions, and you cannot back it up.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer.[/QUOTE]And here we go again with your mental masturbation and false analogies. Didn't you say Biden was a shoo in to be re-elected, and that Ukraine would take back all their territory?

And is Putin supposed to be Hitler or is it Trump? I am getting confused now.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.[/QUOTE]Seeing as how you voted Democrat and allowed for our borders to be invaded by foreigners and the havoc that they have brought to the USA, that would make you the despicable human being you describe. Let us get real. The only reason you "Palestinians" care more about the borders in Ukraine than in the USA is becasue of how much money you are laundering there.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2982876]Only villages around, but not Donetsk city.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about mate? Donetsk city was controlled by the Pro Russians even back before the full scale war started in 2022. The only main cities that Ukraine still controls in DPR at the moment are Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Konstantinvika.

I suggest you consult this map, keeping in mind that this is a Pro Ukrainian map while looking at it.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2982989]What are you talking about mate? Donetsk city was controlled by the Pro Russians even back before the full scale war started in 2022. The only main cities that Ukraine still controls in DPR at the moment are Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Konstantinvika.

I suggest you consult this map, keeping in mind that this is a Pro Ukrainian map while looking at it.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I forgot to post the link:

[URL]https://liveuamap.com/?s=09[/URL]

Like I said, this is a PRO UKRAINIAN map so keep that in mind while looking at it.

[QUOTE=BloodRed;2982872]Well, the Russians already control most of the Donetsk peoples republic (Mariupol is a part of that). The longer this goes on, they may very well take Odessa, Dnipro and Kharkov. Time to make peace and stop the killing, on both sides.[/QUOTE]True Story -- I was reading this post on my mobile phone, bleary eyed, first thing this morning. I thought Xpartan posted it and was thinking at last! He's come to his senses! He wants to see an end to the insanity! Maybe this is a sign people are finally coming around and the war will be over soon.

Well, Xpartan's unfortunately still not of that mind. But hopefully the rest of the world will soon be.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2982758]If Zelensky gave up in 2022, Puting would've destroyed Ukraine as an independent state by now. The reason why that country is still standing is that Zelensky stayed in Kyiv and Ukrainians have fought tooth and nail ever since. According to your logic, Churchill should've stopped fighting in 1940 because he SEEMINGLY didn't stand a chance against Der Fuhrer. My goodness, what a despicable human being you are if you really can't understand why people fight for their country.[/QUOTE]What's the point of fighting and dying to the last man? What about when the situation becomes hopeless? Do you believe Ukrainians should do another Masada? Look at the reality. NATO is not going to send in troops, and Ukraine's not going to win this war. Better to settle it now, because the longer this goes on, the worse negotiating position Ukraine will be in.

Your analogy is flawed. German troops hadn't set foot on British soil in 1940. Britain had only entered the war a year earlier. And a year later the UK had the full force of the USA and USSR on its side.

This war has gone on for three years. And while the sides were stalemated for over 2 years, Russia is now slowly gaining ground. And will continue to if there's no peace.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2983032]What's the point of fighting and dying to the last man? What about when the situation becomes hopeless? Do you believe Ukrainians should do another Masada? Look at the reality. NATO is not going to send in troops, and Ukraine's not going to win this war. Better to settle it now, because the longer this goes on, the worse negotiating position Ukraine will be in.

Your analogy is flawed. German troops hadn't set foot on British soil in 1940. Britain had only entered the war a year earlier. And a year later the UK had the full force of the USA and USSR on its side.

This war has gone on for three years. And while the sides were stalemated for over 2 years, Russia is now slowly gaining ground. And will continue to if there's no peace.[/QUOTE]Ukrainians are in Russia in Koursk. Ukrainians must not accept actual situation with Russians inside their official borders, when they were already stolen Crimea. EU keep on supporting Ukraine and 0 reason for Ukraine and EU to follow 0 knowledge, stupid Trump and Vance, when we are not responsible if Trump fucked prostitutes and was on photos, in Moscow.

One of the few journalists I can take to the bank is Glenn Greenwald. He was the guy that Edward Snowden chose as one of the honest journalists to give all the constitutional violations he found. I may disagree with him now and again, but he has never steered me wrong on the facts. Here is what he said on Ukraine:

There were all sorts of things that the United States knew that it could do that could provoke Russia to invade Ukraine. There were memos floating all around Washington for years saying, "These are the things that are the red lines for Moscow, not just for Putin but for everybody in Moscow, including his opponents and these are the things that if we do, we will force them to essentially invade eastern Ukraine."

The United States then proceeded to do all of them seemingly wanting Russia to invade Ukraine. In February 2022 they did that and the United States immediately announced, under the Biden administration, that we were going to fund this war, we were going to give Ukraine all the weapons and the money they needed to win.

NATO Capitals did the same and the way in which victory was defined was almost guaranteed to ensure that this war would go on forever or that it would end and the United States and NATO would lose humiliatingly. The definition of victory was expelling every last Russian troop from every inch of Ukrainian soil including what Ukraine looked like before 2014, namely part of Crimea being part of Ukraine, and that was never going to happen. There was zero chance that with the United States and NATO throughout Ukraine and exerting influence, manipulating elections, having installed a leader after a coup the Russians were going to allow NATO to take back Crimea, a geostrategically crucial piece of territory given its access to the Black Sea in its long history as part of Russia. They would have used nuclear weapons before they permitted NATO to take back Crimea or even drive them out of Eastern Ukraine given the stakes that they have in that part of the Ukraine.

Despite NATO spending hundreds of billions of dollars, sending all kinds of advanced weapons and doing things that promised over and over it wouldn't do and then did, like sending tanks and fighter jets, the Russians evaded sanctions, fortified their military, spent huge amounts of money on the war. In many ways, they fortified their economy and their country became stronger and stronger and they were able to defeat the entire West by continuing their expansion moving westward and holding on to Crimea.

The Ukrainian front line was collapsing and the United States spent hundreds of billions of dollars causing the loss of life of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians including many increasingly who did not want to go and fight and yet were forced to, physically, and it ended up being an absolute bloodbath, a complete waste of the kind that was very predictable. Yet, the position of the Democratic Party in the election under Kamala Harris or Joe Biden was "We're going to continue this war. We don't care. We're going to let Ukraine be destroyed. We're going to keep killing huge numbers of people."

Donald Trump repeatedly vowed that he would end this war and Americans voted for him on that basis and now, with not even a month in office, he started taking serious steps to try to end this war as promised. One of the steps that he took was that he picked up the phone and called the president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, the first time American and Russian leaders had spoken in years.

Obviously, I had my criticism of Donald Trump, I shared them last night for 45 minutes to an hour concerning Gaza and I've shared them with respect to other topics as well including the attempt to target pro-Palestinian speech but, in this case, he deserves nothing but credit. In Washington, it has been a kind of mania, a psychosis, not to even try to end this war, not to pick up the phone and negotiate, wanting the war to go on despite how senseless it is, despite how destructive it is, despite how deadly it is. This is what Joe Biden and whoever was acting in Joe Biden's name should have been doing for years had they had any intention of trying to end the war, but they didn't, and Trump does.

Why the hell did Democrats demonize Putin? Why did they start this war and why did that not end it when they had the chance?

IMO it was right there in front of the world to see at the DOGE conference. DOGE had discovered that USAID paid $50 million for condoms for Gaza. A reporter chimed in and said that the money was not going to Gaza but Africa and was for AIDS prevention.

This reminds me of a comedy where a guy could get whatever wanted from people by saying it was "for the bride". When you hear a phrase, it is for something like for AIDS in Africa, for Covid, or for Ukraine, you are just supposed to blindly nod your head and go along with it. Who wants to be for AIDS, for Covid, or accused of beng a Putin dick sucker?

If you apply logic to the situation, you ask yourself, why do I have to pay for my own condoms and people in Africa do not? If AIDS really was this huge problem in Africa, and it really is not, wouldn't people quit having sex all together or buy their own fucking condoms? So we are not even paying for a good like water that is a necessity, no, condoms are a pure luxury good.

While the Democratic douches screech about how you want to keep babies dying from AIDS in Africa, there is a charity that is being run by the same mother fucker who approved the condom grant, and wouldn't you know it, the condom company gave a $3 million donation to that charity, and the charity is there to feed the poor. And not only does the bureaucrat run this charity for $200,000 a year salary, he is such a fucking great guy that he runs four others. He is yanking in a million a year from his "charity work". And it is the same bullshit. Elvis, the guy is feeding children in Africa. How dare you question him!

And this is just with the stuff we have seen so far. DOGE worked because of their speed. The bureaucrats were caught off guard. In the past, a senator reported that her staff was threatened with the espionage act when they looked into federal spending. Now the Democrats have responded with lawsuits to prevent us from knowing exactly where our tax dollars are going under the guise of privacy. Oh, the bureaucrats and Elon Musk have sensitive financial information like your SSN and bank account information and we cannot have that. Oh, the IRS and other bureaucrats can have it but Elon Musk? No way!

The whole concept that we can trust unelected bureaucrats and not trust elected representatives and their teams is complete bullshit. We voted for this! These lawsuits are not about sensitive information. The Democrats want to keep the ludicrous spending and gravy train going.

As Musk said, if the USA is not paying a trillion a year on interest payments on the debt, there will be more credit extended to citizens and at a much lower rate. All but the grifters benefit when the budget is brought under control if not balanced.

It is not $50 million for condoms. It is how many other programs are there under these same supposedly unquestionable barriers. Well, we are going to find out how much money was spent in the for Ukraine category. The official estimates are that we have helped Ukraine to the tune of hundreds of billions. I bet when it is all said and done, we are going to see over a trillion dollars spent on various programs to "help Ukraine".

This whole thing was one big fucking racket.