Medellin Reports

This type of system is wide spread across the globe, even in North America you see it. Some wealthy treating the poor, well, poorly!

Lumi.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2471308]To answer your question, class-ism, if that is a word, exists in Colombia and is similar to racism. May sound odd, but lots of upper class Colombians (Estrato 6) look down on the the poorer living in the barrios that are Estrata 1 and 2. When you sign up with Claro for cable, they have a tiered payment schedule with the same for EPM for utilities. [/QUOTE]

This is great information. There is one chicka I have been in contact with that has told me she has never been to see the ocean. I am planning my first Colombia trip for 4-5 weeks and I was thinking that if I get bored maybe a 2-3 day stay in San Andres with said chicka might be nice. Airfare seems to be around 160 mil Cop each + hotel, might be a nice way to spend a weekend!

Lumi.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2471339]As far as things that we take for granted which are luxuries for Estrato 1/2 girls, getting to go swimming in a pool or playing in a Jacuzzi is huge.

I remember taking one of my El Centro sweethearts up to San Geronimo for a few days, the Hotel had a huge pool with water cannons, and she went nuts like she was on another planet playing in the water. They also had what's called a Turco (sauna) at the Hotel and she had never been in one before. What a trip that was, especially when our clothes came off in the Turco.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2471339]There's not much drywall used in Colombia, as most walls are made of block with the exception of ceilings in high rise apartments, so "drywall" won't really register with them as a luxury. Hot water though is a different matter, most of the Estrato 1/2 level girls are used to showering with cold water and prefer it, so they wouldn't consider it a luxury. Also Colombians don't like Air Conditioning so they wouldn't consider that a luxury either, Aa least this has been my experience with the Estrato 1/2 girls I have been with.

As far as things that we take for granted which are luxuries for Estrato 1/2 girls, getting to go swimming in a pool or playing in a Jacuzzi is huge.

I remember taking one of my El Centro sweethearts up to San Geronimo for a few days, the Hotel had a huge pool with water cannons, and she went nuts like she was on another planet playing in the water. They also had what's called a Turco (sauna) at the Hotel and she had never been in one before. What a trip that was, especially when our clothes came off in the Turco.[/QUOTE]I too love to see the reaction of a chica experiencing something that they never would have dreamed of like the two paisas I took on a road trip with me to see the coast, stay in a hotel on the sand, wow just seeing their facing when they walked onto the beach for the first time in their life and dug their feet into the sand, priceless.

The Tall Man.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2471390]I'm in the talks about renting / buying my favorite three level Penthouse apartment in Provenza; all my girls love the love-nest jacuzzi on the roof-top. I'm convinced the moment I make it cross that border, I will be in heaven, the quarantine situation in Medellin will only enhance my experiences, I might be able to pull a five or six-some with my favorite girls. I can imagine having six 18-year-olds living with me 24/7; I can fuck any of them in any way I like, at any time I want. I would be working until 3 am and go in my spare bedroom to fuck three girls together, completely bare, they will share cock like their lives depend on it. Then I will go to sleep with three different girls in the master bedroom. I would wake up in at 10 am get a double blowjob in the jacuzzi before calling into my first meeting, and this is only a typical weekday, it is the tip of the ice-burg, my weekend routine is too insane to put in writing..[/QUOTE]Have you recently woke up in the middle of the night and discovered you came while sleeping, as this sounds like a dream you had.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2471371]
The answer is nobody fucking knows! I don't buy this compliance bullshit. Colombia and Peru were totally compliant when it came to restricting international travel.[/QUOTE]I think the issue is more than compliance. It is easier to reduce the infection if everyone get tested. In Korea, they find and test everyone that come in contact with the person found with the virus. Not so in the countries that are doing badly. In many cities, you won't get a test unless you show symptom and you probably learn about it a few weeks later from the news and probably no one is making effort to find and inform you. Virus has opportunity to infect more people between the time gap.

I don't think Colombia and Peru are totally compliant. In US we can do grocery shopping once a week, but many in Latin America have to go out for food often for the simple reason they don't have refrigerator.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2471371]
If we all knew what the perfect policy with regards to international travel was, there would be no debate about when Colombia would open up.[/QUOTE]I think someone can find one but Colombia may not be able to execute the plan. Almost all more advanced Asian nations like Korea have not completely shutdown the border and they are doing much better. The one thing I notice is that the citizens are more cooperative and they have peer pressure to follow the rules. They don't waste so much time arguing endlessly while the virus breeds. Now their lives are back to normal.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2471371]So the USA has the most cases in the world, and it is not Trump's fault then because the USA has the most non-compliant population in the world?

JJBee, this is not personal against you because you are not the only person who has said it, but it is asinine.

Look at the travel ban alone. The UK did practically nothing with regards to a travel ban, yet its case numbers are plummeting. The USA, Mexico, and Brazil have had partial travel bans, yet their numbers are surging. Is that because they didn't totally ban travel? If so, then what about Peru and Colombia? There was not a compliance problem with international travel, yet cases in those two countries are surging.

I read one blowhard who said that international travel was the issue with the virus spreading, and no doubt early on it was, but what do you do now? What is the perfect policy right now with regards to international travel and how much is it contributing to the spread of Covid around the world?

The answer is nobody fucking knows! I don't buy this compliance bullshit. Colombia and Peru were totally compliant when it came to restricting international travel.

If we all knew what the perfect policy with regards to international travel was, there would be no debate about when Colombia would open up.[/QUOTE]Travel, and international travel are only pieces of it. The big part of stopping the spread of it is keeping people apart. Masks can help, but the number one thing is not having people within 6 feet of each other. We have almost no cases where I am and the new cases in the whole country are in the low hundreds. Everyone is tested and contact traced, when someone is found with it. And there is free testing available for anyone who thinks they might have a symptom. Testing is turning up less than 1% cases even where people think they may have been exposed or think they may have a symptom.

Anyway. The thing can be beat, there are several countries that have. Not to say there won't be flare ups again. But once the numbers get low the contact tracing and extensive testing can stop it from becoming major outbreaks. Basically stop the community transmission. And certainly countries that have it under control don't want to import cases. Hence strict quarantine rules for anyone entering the country.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2471541]Travel, and international travel are only pieces of it. The big part of stopping the spread of it is keeping people apart. Masks can help, but the number one thing is not having people within 6 feet of each other. We have almost no cases where I am and the new cases in the whole country are in the low hundreds. Everyone is tested and contact traced, when someone is found with it. And there is free testing available for anyone who thinks they might have a symptom. Testing is turning up less than 1% cases even where people think they may have been exposed or think they may have a symptom.

Anyway. The thing can be beat, there are several countries that have. Not to say there won't be flare ups again. But once the numbers get low the contact tracing and extensive testing can stop it from becoming major outbreaks. Basically stop the community transmission. And certainly countries that have it under control don't want to import cases. Hence strict quarantine rules for anyone entering the country.[/QUOTE]What Country are you in?

SJobs, I imagine you know this answer, but for those who don't.

1) Often use ghetto slang Spanish.

2) Often have shoddy tatoos.

3) Often like to wear fake Gucci, Prado, Luis Vitton, etc. To make themselves feel special.

4) Can drink most of us under the table.

5) Often have not learned proper manners, including when eating (not their fault. Product of the environment).

6) Can be very loud.

7) Not necessarily well-educated, but usually very street smart and know how to take advantage of the environment, which puts most gringos at a huge disadvantage.

Obviously not all girls from strata 1 and 2 are like this, but many of them are. Meeting at least most of these criteria. This is why they stick out so bad if you were to take them to Lleras to eat or party.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2471393]

Just curious, what are some of the telltale signs of chicas from estrato 1 or 2. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2471550]SJobs, I imagine you know this answer, but for those who don't.

1) Often use ghetto slang Spanish.

2) Often have shoddy tatoos.

3) Often like to wear fake Gucci, Prado, Luis Vitton, etc. To make themselves feel special.

4) Can drink most of us under the table.

5) Often have not learned proper manners, including when eating (not their fault. Product of the environment).

6) Can be very loud.

7) Not necessarily well-educated, but usually very street smart and know how to take advantage of the environment, which puts most gringos at a huge disadvantage.

Obviously not all girls from strata 1 and 2 are like this, but many of them are. Meeting at least most of these criteria. This is why they stick out so bad if you were to take them to Lleras to eat or party.[/QUOTE]Thanks, by this description, most the girls in gusto are not in this category. I don't know Spanish, so I can't tell whether my girls are using slangs or not, almost all the girls I see in Medellin has some tattoos. I can drink a lot, haven't found any girls who can out drink me yet. A girl did stole a new bottle of whiskey from me once.

I wonder if there is any correlation between Estrato and the level of services they provide. It seems like the best service is unlikely to come from the highest and the lowest estrato.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2471393]is this a sign of a girl from a relatively higher estrato?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2471550]SJobs, I imagine you know this answer, but for those who don't.

1) Often use ghetto slang Spanish.

2) Often have shoddy tatoos.

3) Often like to wear fake Gucci, Prado, Luis Vitton, etc. To make themselves feel special.

4) Can drink most of us under the table.

5) Often have not learned proper manners, including when eating (not their fault. Product of the environment).

6) Can be very loud.

7) Not necessarily well-educated, but usually very street smart and know how to take advantage of the environment, which puts most gringos at a huge disadvantage.

Obviously not all girls from strata 1 and 2 are like this, but many of them are. Meeting at least most of these criteria. This is why they stick out so bad if you were to take them to Lleras to eat or party.[/QUOTE]ColombiaLover, you saved me some time, but knocked it out of the park. My list would have been short and sweet, but I 100% agree. I also think it's funny how the girls get a taste of something they've never had in 18+ years, couldn't pick it out of a blind taste test, yet it becomes they're go-to normal. So, no need to buy they most expensive liquor, unless it's upon request. I've learned several times. You might as well buy a bottle of the most expensive, and fill it with the bottom shelf version, later.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2471545]What Country are you in?[/QUOTE]From and in Canada.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2471371]So the USA has the most cases in the world, and it is not Trump's fault then because the USA has the most non-compliant population in the world?

JJBee, this is not personal against you because you are not the only person who has said it, but it is asinine.

Look at the travel ban alone. The UK did practically nothing with regards to a travel ban, yet its case numbers are plummeting. The USA, Mexico, and Brazil have had partial travel bans, yet their numbers are surging. Is that because they didn't totally ban travel? If so, then what about Peru and Colombia? There was not a compliance problem with international travel, yet cases in those two countries are surging.

I read one blowhard who said that international travel was the issue with the virus spreading, and no doubt early on it was, but what do you do now? What is the perfect policy right now with regards to international travel and how much is it contributing to the spread of Covid around the world?.[/QUOTE]Why do you do this every single time? You write an entire rebuttal on a subject I haven't mentioned. It's as if you're responding to a completely different post.

A thorough lockdown on International travel, combined with aggressive testing and contact tracing, could have prevented the pandemic, if it had been done in early January. That window has closed. International travel bans now are to reduce the strain on local resources while countries attempt to get their infection rate under control.

Getting the infection rate under control is a three step process. First is to minimize the possibility of infection. Social distancing, masks, cancelling large gatherings, shutdowns. All these things work to reduce the spread. We know they work, we've seen the results.

Next step is identification. Until you get a handle on the infection rate, identification is a waste of money. Of course if you jump on identification at the first sign, you have a possibility to avoid the shutdown step It's simple, you test every suspect. Anyone positive you test all their contacts and you keep tracing contacts until you identify every infected person.

Then you isolate them. If this is all carried out diligently, most things can return to normal after about 12 weeks. Which is what we've seen in several countries. However, if you don't stay the course, you either just say "fuck it" and let it run its course, or you have to start over with a 12 week shutdown.

Everyone wants to make it political. Viruses are apolitical. They behave exactly the same regardless of geography, politics or religion. Until we start treating it like a disease instead of a way to score points, nothing is going to change.

[QUOTE=SJobs;2471390]Thanks for the information brotha Balboa; I appreciate it. In my heart, Brazil is forever the number one place for mongering. It is so good to know that Brazil will re-open soon. I miss my time in Brazil.

If I have spent 40 k in relationship development Brazil, I'm sure I will have a better experience in a penthouse in Ipanema, but this is the price we have to pay with capital investment. It is not easy to change cou.[/QUOTE]How would the experience be better in Brazil? I haven't been there.

I am glad you mentioned the booze. I totally forgot about that. They are intrigued by names and the look of the bottle. They don't know the difference in taste. Better to put Popov in a Tito's bottle.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2471561]ColombiaLover, you saved me some time, but knocked it out of the park. My list would have been short and sweet, but I 100% agree. I also think it's funny how the girls get a taste of something they've never had in 18+ years, couldn't pick it out of a blind taste test, yet it becomes they're go-to normal. So, no need to buy they most expensive liquor, unless it's upon request. I've learned several times. You might as well buy a bottle of the most expensive, and fill it with the bottom shelf version, later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2471510]Have you recently woke up in the middle of the night and discovered you came while sleeping, as this sounds like a dream you had.[/QUOTE]Without getting into Freud's theory too much. I wish I am only dreaming, I can really get what I'm describing in Medellin, which explains why I'm in so much pain right now.