Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2475025]Several people seem to think opening up Colombia for international travel will solve all of Colombia's economic problems. I'm trying to understand that. What are all those tourists supposed to do? Where are they going to spend their money? Let's put the mongering dollars aside, because it's unlikely the government is about to sanction and encourage sex tourism.[/QUOTE]Oh, sure let's do that. Colombia's #1 export is oil, and ConocoPhillips operates there. Do you know how oil and gas works?

Well, here is how it goes. The American oil company, COP, just hands money over to Colombians and says "We want oil" and the Colombians just produce it. It is not like anyone from America needs to go there and do any work or monitor anything.

I know a Colombian woman or two that you could hand money to right now, JJBee, and they will be producing you oil in no time.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2474940]If opening up the borders to International travel represents a "tiny blip" on the economic radar, than why open at all. Granted that tourism accounts for a small portion of their GDP, what about other aspects of the economy that have been impacted by being closed. I would venture to guess the effect is much greater than 3. 8% represented for tourism and will drive the re-opening versus all of us mongers wanting to return as you have mentioned.[/QUOTE]My argument is that the impact of a controlled reopening of international flights to the virus spread is nearly zero, but it has lots of benefits.

Let do a simple hypothetical; if the entry requirement is the following: passengers must fly in from a country with COVID totally under control and must show a negative test result within 24-hours of boarding the plane. They must go through a mandatory quarantine for 14 days upon arrival and purchase health insurance in Medellin. Moreover, they must pay for all costs associated with compulsory quarantine. Then I can confidently say the impact on the virus spread from this group of travelers is zero. It allows them to set up and test-out safety protocols for the next phase of reopening; furthermore, if the travelers are willing to pay for the personal cost for the self-quarantine, it also creates jobs for the local people.

People who are willing to comply with this kind of scrutiny to travel to Medellin must either hopelessly in love with the 18-year-old paisas or trying to build important businesses in Medellin that are beneficial to the local economy (I'm doing both, but 18-year-old pussy is my real motivation). They are not the group who are infected with COVID and trying to spread to the local population.

Suppose President Duque announces tomorrow that business visa holder in Australia is the only group that will be allowed to fly to Medellin on September 1st. I will call my lawyer immediately and ask him to send all my documents to Sydney's Colombia Embassy. I will then fly from the USA To the you. K. , one of the few countries you can still legally fly to from the USA, then self-quarantine there for 14-days, as per requirement. Then from the you. K. , I will fly to Sydney. I will wait until they approve my visa, then from Sydney, I will fly to Medellin (a. K. a heaven), I'm willing to go through whatever quarantine requirement the Colombian government put in place.

I'm in my late 30's, completely healthy; I fucking run multiple marathons each year. I can produce a negative COVID test result within 24-hours before I board the plane; I can show that I have money in my account to pay whatever medical bills that might occur in Colombia, and I'm going there to educate a bunch of PhDs. I really can't think of any reason why the Colombian government won't let me in on September 1st.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2475025]Several people seem to think opening up Colombia for international travel will solve all of Colombia's economic problems. I'm trying to understand that.

Then this thought popped up: What are all those tourists supposed to do? Where are they going to spend their money? Let's put the mongering dollars aside, because it's unlikely the government is about to sanction and encourage sex tourism. What about the actual tourists? Aren't most attractions still closed? Aren't the bars closed? Malls? Tours? Theaters? Restaurants?

I'm just wondering how that almighty tourism is going to boost the economy if the tourists have no place to spend their money?[/QUOTE]For tourists to spend money, the economy needs to open up. Colombia up until now has been rather slow to do this, but the more sectors of the economy they open up, even if in phases then it leads to the eventual tourism sector opening. Since they started to accept that this is something which they'll need to live with (there are only 150 viruses circulating every year), they are taking steps to open, albeit slow and at times nonsense (the only domestic flight is from Cucuta to Bucaramanga, because they have very low cases) the government realizes if they don't open it's going to create a lot more problems than ever imagined. A couple more domestic routes open up on September 1, and not even all airlines but it's a start. Airports filed for reopening in July but didn't receive approval until this week. Avianca bankrupt, LATAM bankrupt, etc. Keeping all those planes on the ground has taken its toll far worse than they could have imagined. We'll see what the coming weeks bring, Colombia locked down way too early and with the border closed, the results today show that lockdowns do not work and create more problems. The simple thinking of "everyone stay home for a couple months, then we'll open certain days to shop for certain people, masks are mandatory etc. " what did they accomplish? Nothing. Literally, nothing. And many people I know in Bogota and Medellin have told me they are absolutely sick and tired of this dragging on as long as it has.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2475092]Do let us know how it turned out with pinky and her preggie story.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2474965]Didn't Pinky give you a pregnancy scare. Or was it Wifey? What's the update there?[/QUOTE]I posted about this, maybe a couple pages back, now. However, it was mostly in Spanish, so maybe some did not understand.

Pinky said she took another test and it was negative. So, despite her thinking she should take a blood test, I believe within a week she should have her period, and we'll be in the clear.

Teaser for tonight...

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2475205]the economy needs to open up.[/QUOTE]You're right. This thing has a. 04% mortality rate.

But sure let's F up Colombia (and the world's) economies by shutting down, just so a few 90 year olds can live a few extra years.

Very nice talent you got there. Why don't you just buy a pregnancy test for 5 bucks (or whatever it costs down there) and make her take it in front of you? Easy peasy bruh.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2475233]I posted about this, maybe a couple pages back, now. However, it was mostly in Spanish, so maybe some did not understand.

Pinky said she took another test and it was negative. So, despite her thinking she should take a blood test, I believe within a week she should have her period, and we'll be in the clear.

Teaser for tonight...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2475233]I posted about this, maybe a couple pages back, now. However, it was mostly in Spanish, so maybe some did not understand.

Pinky said she took another test and it was negative. So, despite her thinking she should take a blood test, I believe within a week she should have her period, and we'll be in the clear.

Teaser for tonight...[/QUOTE]Can you unblur her face for once.

A body is good, but as most will agree the face is more important.

A girl with a 10 body and 6-7 face is not what I want.

A girl with a 10 body and a 6-7 face is mother nature giving men the middle finger.

[QUOTE=MMHikeus;2475103]Should be. It's a regular apartment building with some airbnbs.[/QUOTE]What you said is true. Some of the units are owned and people live there. So the building is open. I was over there inquiring a while back. But the story (then) was that they were not allowing visitors at that time.

I would check that having visitors over is allowed now before renting.

The director of Colombia's civil aviation authority Aerocivil said Wednesday that it will take at least a year to normalize domestic and international air travel.

In an interview with newspaper El Espectador, Aerocivil director Juan Carlos Salazar said that "in the best case scenario it will take us at least a year" to normalize air traffic.

Salazar's best case scenario implies that Aerocivil's plans that were leaked last month and sought the normalization of international air traffic in November are off the table.

According to the Aerocivil chief, Colombia's national government will lift its international flight ban on September 1 as planned, but the effective resumption of flights depends on foreign governments and mayors.

Resuming that operation depends on many factors that are not under the control of the Civil Aeronautics and even the National Government, because we also have to wait for the decisions of other countries.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2475233]I posted about this, maybe a couple pages back, now. However, it was mostly in Spanish, so maybe some did not understand.

Pinky said she took another test and it was negative. So, despite her thinking she should take a blood test, I believe within a week she should have her period, and we'll be in the clear.

Teaser for tonight...[/QUOTE]In Latin America Europe USA I think the 8's are my nexus / sweet spot for personality looks and fucking.

[URL]https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/readers-submissions/2011/07/a-note-on-sex-women-and-marriage-to-my-son-on-his-twenty-first-birthday/[/URL]

Blakman, does the second hand translated source you quote compare and contrast "normalize" and "resume"? They are not necessarily the same thing. The Ministry of Transportation and the President have official announcements on the government web site. That is the place to find useful information on this subject. What the government has confirmed so far is that pilot flights between selected domestic cities will resume September 1. Bogota is among the cities. This was confirmed by the Bogota mayor today. Among the other confirmed destinations are Cucuta and San Andres. That is what is known at this point.

Now we can get back to speculation and maybe some more of slapshot's content.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2475251]The director of Colombia's civil aviation authority Aerocivil said Wednesday that it will take at least a year to normalize domestic and international air travel.

In an interview with newspaper El Espectador, Aerocivil director Juan Carlos Salazar said that "in the best case scenario it will take us at least a year" to normalize air traffic.

Salazar's best case scenario implies that Aerocivil's plans that were leaked last month and sought the normalization of international air traffic in November are off the table.

According to the Aerocivil chief, Colombia's national government will lift its international flight ban on September 1 as planned, but the effective resumption of flights depends on foreign governments and mayors.

Resuming that operation depends on many factors that are not under the control of the Civil Aeronautics and even the National Government, because we also have to wait for the decisions of other countries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2475205]For tourists to spend money, the economy needs to open up. Colombia up until now has been rather slow to do this, but the more sectors of the economy they open up, even if in phases then it leads to the eventual tourism sector opening. Since they started to accept that this is something which they'll need to live with (there are only 150 viruses circulating every year), they are taking steps to open, albeit slow and at times nonsense (the only domestic flight is from Cucuta to Bucaramanga, because they have very low cases) the government realizes if they don't open it's going to create a lot more problems than ever imagined. A couple more domestic routes open up on September 1, and not even all airlines but it's a start. Airports filed for reopening in July but didn't receive approval until this week. Avianca bankrupt, LATAM bankrupt, etc. Keeping all those planes on the ground has taken its toll far worse than they could have imagined. We'll see what the coming weeks bring, Colombia locked down way too early and with the border closed, the results today show that lockdowns do not work and create more problems. The simple thinking of "everyone stay home for a couple months, then we'll open certain days to shop for certain people, masks are mandatory etc. " what did they accomplish? Nothing. Literally, nothing. And many people I know in Bogota and Medellin have told me they are absolutely sick and tired of this dragging on as long as it has.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the lock downs in Colombia have not been as effective as in other Countries as evidenced by the trending numbers to date. Everything is going up like a rocket ship headed to the moon.

Tourism, well it's really a drop in the bucket for Colombia, what needs to happen is for the economy to open back up so the residents can spend money and revive things. Unfortunately, if they do so, things will get worse than they are now as evidenced by other Countries and in the USA that have opened up pre-maturely. The lockdowns have been effective in Countries with authoritarian rule, or citizens that abide by them, and have been less effective in third world countries.

It's very sad, and a no win situation for Colombia at the current time. I remember the evening of March 13, a Friday night in Parque Lleras and Provenza. Things were in full swing as though nothing was wrong in the world, with all of the eating places, nightclubs, and bars overflowing. Then this all came to a screeching halt and has decimated things there, with places shuttered, and business's folding right and left. And the reality is that the majority of the patrons are Colombians, not tourists, which a lot of people think.

This is just my opinion of things which many may disagree with.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2475110]Oh, sure let's do that. Colombia's #1 export is oil, and ConocoPhillips operates there. Do you know how oil and gas works?

Well, here is how it goes. The American oil company, COP, just hands money over to Colombians and says "We want oil" and the Colombians just produce it. It is not like anyone from America needs to go there and do any work or monitor anything.

I know a Colombian woman or two that you could hand money to right now, JJBee, and they will be producing you oil in no time.[/QUOTE]I guess I never realized that all the petroleum engineers from the US commute daily from their homes in the US to the countries where they work. I had always thought they lived in those countries for extended periods of time. Seems to be cheaper to pay a per diem rather than daily round trip airfare. I can't imagine the guys who work in the middle East. They're literally never leaving the airport in either country. Even the average of 8 hours each way daily to get to and from the oilfields in Colombia has to really suck.

But just think of the frequent flyer miles.

How are those oil companies making any money? Seriously, wouldn't it make more sense if they did what we already know they do? Have workers do a 3, 6 or 12 month tour in the country and then rotate out? In that case, whether international travel is open or closed has no major effect. Their workers and monitors are already in Colombia.

I don't know this for certain, but I suspect that if ConocoPhillips needs to bring one of their corporate jets into Villavicencio with some of their people, they know who to call to get the authorization.

But my question wasn't about ConocoPhillips. Up to this point, nobody has mentioned them. Everyone has been talking about the benefits of opening up tourism. If I'm not mistaken, you have made that claim more than once. My question remains, what are those tourists going to spend their money on?

In order for the tourist to benefit the economy, the tourist needs to spend money. If you assume a cost of screening arrivals, just renting an apartment and ordering Rappi every day isn't going to do much. They need guys like SJobs dropping $700 nightly in Gusto along with another $700 for the gray market through drugs and pussy. They need the guys spending $500 a day in Cartagena and Bogota. They need the tourists buying everything from diamonds to leather goods. They need house parties in Guatape and loaded tour buses in Eje Cafetero.

But Gusto is closed and the tour buses are parked. What are the tourists going to do? Except for SJobs. He's going to be loading up on Tussi and 18 year old pussy. What about the rest of them? What about the ones booking at the Charlee or Hotel Du Park Royale? With Parque Lleras closed, what are they going to do?

Back to my question.

Where are the [B]Tourists[/B] going to spend their money?

[QUOTE=SJobs;2475173]My argument is that the impact of a controlled reopening of international flights to the virus spread is nearly zero, but it has lots of benefits.

Let do a simple hypothetical; if the entry requirement is the following: passengers must fly in from a country with COVID totally under control and must show a negative test result within 24-hours of boarding the plane. They must go through a mandatory quarantine for 14 days upon arrival and purchase health insurance in Medellin. Moreover, they must pay for all costs associated with compulsory quarantine. Then I can confidently say the impact on the virus spread from this group of travelers is zero. It allows them to set up and test-out safety protocols for the next phase of reopening; furthermore, if the travelers are willing to pay for the personal cost for the self-quarantine, it also creates jobs for the local people.

People who are willing to comply with this kind of scrutiny to travel to Medellin must either hopelessly in love with the 18-year-old paisas or trying to build important businesses in Medellin that are beneficial to the local economy (I'm doing both, but 18-year-old pussy is my real motivation). They are not the group who are infected with COVID and trying to spread to the local population..[/QUOTE]I can think of one reason why the Colombian government won't let you in on September 1st. They don't know you.

I understand you want to get to Medellin, desperately. Colombia doesn't seem to care about your need to plow 18 year old Colombian pussy. I don't understand why they don't recognize your need.

Based upon the entry requirements you listed, how many passengers do you think they could expect daily? Ask the board. How many of the guys here are willing to:

1. Buy Colombian health insurance.

2. Pay for preflight and post quarantine testing.

3. Quarantine for 14 days.

4. Pay for 24 hour monitoring to ensure they don't break quarantine.

Some of the guys freak out if somebody buys a working girl dinner.

Under the conditions you propose, I'm not seeing a huge demand. But I'm seeing significant costs for Colombia. They need extra staff at every airport to check test results, take temperatures and verify valid Colombian health insurance. They need an isolation area to separate the arrivals waiting for processing from everyone else. They need some system to monitor everyone who is in quarantine. They need to figure out transportation. You can't just hop in a taxi to go to your quarantine and have the taxi driver go about his business. Then there's the monitoring of the monitors who make sure you don't break quarantine.

See'Mon. You do all those things and you're in Medellin, in your penthouse and you're going to twiddle your thumbs for 14 days? I'm not buying it. By day 2 you've got girls coming over. If security won't let them in, you slip them enough money to look the other way. You might even hire a helicopter to drop them on the roof.

Why don't you just do what I suggested? Go to a Colombian consulate. Explain to them your business need to be in Colombia. Offer to meet or exceed any quarantine and testing requirement. Then ask if there's any way to get a special travel permit. It costs nothing to ask. There's a consulate in San Francisco.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;2475205]For tourists to spend money, the economy needs to open up. Colombia up until now has been rather slow to do this, but the more sectors of the economy they open up, even if in phases then it leads to the eventual tourism sector opening. Since they started to accept that this is something which they'll need to live with (there are only 150 viruses circulating every year), they are taking steps to open, albeit slow and at times nonsense (the only domestic flight is from Cucuta to Bucaramanga, because they have very low cases) the government realizes if they don't open it's going to create a lot more problems than ever imagined. A couple more domestic routes open up on September 1, and not even all airlines but it's a start. Airports filed for reopening in July but didn't receive approval until this week. Avianca bankrupt, LATAM bankrupt, etc. Keeping all those planes on the ground has taken its toll far worse than they could have imagined. We'll see what the coming weeks bring, Colombia locked down way too early and with the border closed, the results today show that lockdowns do not work and create more problems. The simple thinking of "everyone stay home for a couple months, then we'll open certain days to shop for certain people, masks are mandatory etc. " what did they accomplish? Nothing. Literally, nothing. And many people I know in Bogota and Medellin have told me they are absolutely sick and tired of this dragging on as long as it has.[/QUOTE]A lockdown doesn't work if the majority don't lock down. Other than a few days at the beginning, Colombia didn't lock down. We've had almost daily reports of the crowds in El Centro.

I agree fully that the country has to open up before there's anything for the tourists to do. Colombia will do that, for better or worse, at their own pace. Speculation, rationalization and wishful thinking isn't going to make a difference.