Bangkok Reports

I am back in the states after a wonderful vacation in that beautiful land of smiles. I spent one week in Pattaya, 3 days in Hua Hin, and 4 days in Bangkok.

Despite doing this trip 20+ times in the past, it was only on this trip that I fully noticed the difference between WGs in Bangkok and Pattaya. One WG (working girl) in Pattaya commented that Falangs were crazy to put their face in her crotch, supposedly for DATY. Then she added: "and they want to kiss me after that? Yuck!! ".

Indeed, I noticed that I could only get light French Kisses, after repeat in Pattaya and I hardly got any DFK (Deep French Kisses) all these years. This time in Bangkok, I met 2 lovely ladies on the first day, one was a FL and the second one was from Addict massage. I ended up repeating with them almost daily. Plenty of DFK, especially from the Addict chick. The FL was GND, but fun to be with. She spoke very good English, very entertaining, customer oriented, and fun to talk to. She also appeared to be street smart. Definitely a keeper if I lived there.

I am glad I did not listen to my buddy, who tried to convince me to skip Bangkok this time around. Also, this was the first time I did not pick up a chick from a gogo bar, despite being a sucker for eye candy, and I only visited Skyfall one night in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2032750]Taking so many girls in succession sounds like you were not quite "satisfied", LOL, or unsatisfiable? or trying to break the world record for most girls fucked in a night? In the old days I used to take two or 3 successive Soapy sessions in a day, that may been due to limited days available to try several exciting girls, however I did not need to fuck every girl in the place, only the very best looking few. LOL I guess it's a survey to find out the best girls for the future bookings.

As Doom says, the risk of a "miss" or at least very average experience, not quite "decent", is high. Yes we overcome that in time by collecting the good ones worth repeating. Still he wants a reliable PSE. So no way is he going to be persuaded that these street girls is the way to go. I have only repeated one of my recent street girls and none of my recent Thermae girls.

Only one of my recent Soapy girl tries was worth repeating too, so I could not suggest that path. PSE shops are definitely a lot more reliable.[/QUOTE]Points taken. Regarding PSE with street FL ladies one doesn't know, I'd suggest a quick chat could help find what one needs in that regard, such as anal & rimming. I'm not an anal guy, myself, but know some of the NEP area street struters have mentioned it. Rimming is something I love & have had little trouble finding a number of willing participants there. If a female there doesn't offer it herself, she may know a friend or acquaintance on the street who does.

As for taking 5 or 6 girls in one evening, I tend not to cum or want to cum before several hours of sex, if not the same for days. Girls, OTOH, often want to leave within an hour or even half of that. Moreover they may only be able to do a BB BJ for a few minutes, if that's what I'm into that particular day. In which case I might try to get them to do something else, like DFK or BLS for part of the time they're willing to stay with me. While they do that I'd usually be wanking myself, unless I let them do it. Sometimes they're quite insistent that they must do it! They'll keep grabbing my weiner & I'll try to get their hand off of it. Then a while after I get it back they'll go after it again. I guess they feel it's they're duty or I'm not happy or not getting my money's worth. Since we don't speak each other's lingo, it's impossible to know.

The P4P TGs want a guy to cum. Some of them won't leave your room until you do or kick them out. They seem to feel it's their job & obligation. An obligation to make the man happy by cumming. When I tell them I don't want to, I've often got a blank silent look. Not for long though, since I suppose that would be considered rude in LOS. Only after assuring them repeatedly that I'm unhappy if I cum & happy not to, do they finally believe it. I guess 3 times is the magic number. One gal said she'd never met any guy like that. Though I've read of them here on ISG on occasion.

Anyways, Syzygies, you are a prolific poster here, with over 10 K posts, full of great info. Do you work for ISG? Are you writing a book of your experiences? Do you have time for anything else that doesn't involve work, the hobby, rest and food? That sounds like a pretty good life to me. Keep it up!

I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.

Are they still doing this sh! T?

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2032856]I am back in the states after a wonderful vacation in that beautiful land of smiles. I spent one week in Pattaya, 3 days in Hua Hin, and 4 days in Bangkok.

Despite doing this trip 20+ times in the past, it was only on this trip that I fully noticed the difference between WGs in Bangkok and Pattaya. One WG (working girl) in Pattaya commented that Falangs were crazy to put their face in her crotch, supposedly for DATY. Then she added: "and they want to kiss me after that? Yuck!! ".

Indeed, I noticed that I could only get light French Kisses, after repeat in Pattaya and I hardly got any DFK (Deep French Kisses) all these years. This time in Bangkok, I met 2 lovely ladies on the first day, one was a FL and the second one was from Addict massage. I ended up repeating with them almost daily. Plenty of DFK, especially from the Addict chick. The FL was GND, but fun to be with. She spoke very good English, very entertaining, customer oriented, and fun to talk to. She also appeared to be street smart. Definitely a keeper if I lived there.

I am glad I did not listen to my buddy, who tried to convince me to skip Bangkok this time around. Also, this was the first time I did not pick up a chick from a gogo bar, despite being a sucker for eye candy, and I only visited Skyfall one night in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Given the environment, I can see why Pattaya 'WGs' would be less inclined to want DATY and DFK. It's also becoming less of a thing in BKK as well. I chalk this up the the typical Devil May Care attitude of farang sexpat. Thai mongers tend to be a lot more cautious mostly due to the fear of getting a 'WG' pregos and having to deal with the shame or having to support a second family. Farang tourists can do whatever for a couple of weeks and then just leave the country (what happens in Thailand.).

Thais are also not so much into a lot of the other activities that tend to spread diseases like anal, CIM, and DATY. I often get really odd looks when I go to places like Mango or Cherry and ask for A+ service.

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2032903]I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.

Are they still doing this sh! T?[/QUOTE]Presumably there is more to this scam than you have indicated above, but why is their charging you for a sticker that you asked for to stick on somebody a scam?

[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2032903]I remember two years ago crazy house servers were on this scam where they would charge you 100 baht to use a tiny sticker and stick on the dancer or even on the fugly servers.

Are they still doing this sh! T?[/QUOTE]Never heard of this one. It sounds like some temporary thing to raise money for a charity, but I may be well off the mark. Plenty of P4 P girls donate money to some charity from time to time, e. G. At Lua Lamphong temple, girls donate towards coffins for the pennyless departed. So stickers could have been raising money for something. Western society also has special days where some flower or similar emblem or badge is sold to raise money.

Would have been interesting to see the what the sticker looked like.

If I remember correctly, the stickers were less than 5 mm in diameter and in neon colors. Perhaps heart shape. The servers would come up to you with a several sheets worth. Ask a customer to stick it on anybody. Sometimes demonstrate it by sticking one on a dancers breast. Say its all in good fun. Only if you pressure them for more information they'll say that its only 100 baht PER sticker not sheet. PER sticker.

This is my restricted access report I made back in may 2, 2016 (for some reason it felt longer) in another forum.

"That day I wanted to revisit cowboy soi from several years back. Peeked into tilac, cowboy, and several others. Spent a couple of hours in crazy house that specialized in nude gogo dancing. They had about 25 girls dancing that night with a handful with some floral tissue as covering. They only had three that was attractive. One 7/10, two 8/10. One of the girls had a particularly beatiful face (9/10) but body was no didn't match 8/10. I bought her a few drinks. She squeezed in front of me and grinded her naked body into me. Guiding my hands all over body. If I wanted to finger her I probably could have if I gave her enough lady drinks. Her breasts were deflated though and her stomache felt a little loose. I asked if she had a baby and said one baby daughter. That became an instant turnoff even though she was very pretty. One of the things I noticed and very annoyed about this bar was the waitstaff. They were very pushy on tips. One of them was handing out little stickers and put it on the dancers or even them. I asked what they were for. They said it was only for fun and that everyone was doing it. And oh by the way. Each sticker is 100 baht tip added to your check. Wtf! I smiled and told her to leave. She persisted and I started to raise my voice to make a scene. She backed off but the head manager didn't like that and decided to try to blackball me from the go go dancers. I got annoyed and noticed the waitstaff taking advantage of drunk customers in particular the older Caucasian customers. I saw one customer adding an entire page of stickers on one repugnant looking waitress. I don't think he knew what the stickers signify since many of the Japanese customers obviously knew and were rarely playing with the stickers. I didn't play because I didn't like this deceptive tactic and I came for the go go dancers not for backwater rejects that look like they belong in some tribe broadcasted from National geographics. I left soon after disgusted at what I was seeing. I informed the main boss (big thai guy) and he looked genuinely concerned. ".

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2032945]Presumably there is more to this scam than you have indicated above, but why is their charging you for a sticker that you asked for to stick on somebody a scam?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2032860]As for taking 5 or 6 girls in one evening, I tend not to cum or want to cum before several hours of sex, if not the same for days. Girls, OTOH, often want to leave within an hour or even half of that. Moreover they may only be able to do a BB BJ for a few minutes, if that's what I'm into that particular day. In which case I might try to get them to do something else, like DFK or BLS for part of the time they're willing to stay with me. While they do that I'd usually be wanking myself, unless I let them do it. Sometimes they're quite insistent that they must do it! They'll keep grabbing my weiner & I'll try to get their hand off of it. Then a while after I get it back they'll go after it again. I guess they feel it's they're duty or I'm not happy or not getting my money's worth. Since we don't speak each other's lingo, it's impossible to know.

The P4P TGs want a guy to cum. Some of them won't leave your room until you do or kick them out. They seem to feel it's their job & obligation. An obligation to make the man happy by cumming. When I tell them I don't want to, I've often got a blank silent look. Not for long though, since I suppose that would be considered rude in LOS. Only after assuring them repeatedly that I'm unhappy if I cum & happy not to, do they finally believe it. I guess 3 times is the magic number. One gal said she'd never met any guy like that. Though I've read of them here on ISG on occasion.

Anyways, Syzygies, you are a prolific poster here, with over 10 K posts, full of great info. Do you work for ISG?[/QUOTE]You make some good points about FLs and also about failing to cum. I also fail to cum sometimes, but I don't keep trying with more sessions, unless the reason was the girl was crap. LOL I usually give it rest for a bit. LOL Probably like you, I don't see that sex is bad if I failed to cum, since the cum lasts such a short time anyway. My favourite FL off Soi 4 now accepts that I am going to need a 90 minute session and has become a GFE. She gets 3 pops some times, especially if she hasn't had a pop for a while, then first one comes very fast. Of course I am not going to get the same from an average FL on Soi 4. Most are hoping to do just 30 minutes.

No I don't work for the ISG, and have no affiliations other than with specific girls. I have spent probably 30% of the last 20 years in Thailand with 90% of my interactions being with Thais rather than Farangs. Some of my regular Thai persons do not speak English. So I have knowledge in unusual areas picked up from Thai girls in relation to language, culture, religion, plants and food (from knowing a chef long term). So my experiences maybe a bit different to the average monger. I used to travel widely in Thailand so have visited 70% of the provinces most likely, but not so much any more. You will notice periods when my posting drops right off, due to heavy work commitments, and likely not being in Thailand at the time. There is a large gap of several years before 2003 when I was not doing bars, due to GF commitments. Could be around 5 to 7 years gap. When I came back to the bars I had no clue how the prices had risen so much. I also returned to Cowboy because I heard that nude dancing had come back to bars probably around 2006 or earlier. Also Long Gun.

I should find a better replacement hobby. I would like to spend time to get my Thai proficient up to 8000 words, and be able to follow very fast stuff like the Thai News better. I would also like to add a few hundred Issan words at least for listening, even if cannot speak it well. My favourite Gik rang me today unexpectedly and suddenly wanted to speak Issan to me when her English is perfectly good, and she normally speaks either English or Thai to me. Was she trying to throw off the scent someone else in the background listening maybe? Or just in a very playful mood.

Was this #77, 'Fon'?

If yes, lucky to get her for 2,000.

So I am looking for better talent now. I see a girl with a rather hot body. Actually it wasn't, but the way she carried herself made her look hot. Very slutty / sensual dancing, confident, and muscular / tone and Isaan short / tan (which I do like, it's *one* of my types, not my favorite but it has its place). I was almost fairly certain she was on yabba, which well. Has it's pro's and con's. Feeling the need for a freak, to make up for the gogo queen, I got her a lady drink. I indicated I would only pay for 1 and that's what went through. She was very slutty with regards to dancing, just fun all-around. And yeah, 2 classic signs of yabba use: sweating and fingernail polish breath (she made out with me a lot). Also, the very confident and hyper / crazy shenanigans were another clue to how high she was. I saw the mamasan looking at her, concerned about her erratic / raunchy behavior. BF'ed her ST and she was even more strung out and distracted in the room. But was okay, just paying for sex nothing else. And there are benefits to them being high (certainly not a starfish, just easily distracted and changing positions a lot). Offered 2500ST, but negotiated down to 2000ST. Also, back in the room, I was concerned she was going to go crazy and start biting (IE: like bite my lip off) if she got triggered somehow. And she did bite / punch quite a bit, my taste buds still hurt from when she bit my tongue.

Hi,

Any genuine tantra massage places, read about outcall sites that offer no sex but complete pleasure.

Also any great 4 hand massage places.

Visiting BKK next week for 3 days.

Thanks.

Just wanted to add my recent observations to the ongoing conversations about Crazy House (CH) and WeChat (chat app). After an afternoon visit to Kasalong (the best deal in town, I think. Although things seem much worse in the looks department than last time I was in Bangkok and girls' skills. Have made 2 recent visits. Also not as good as I remember) I went to Soi Cowboy tonight. A few questions. Perhaps these have been answered before, but not sure how to effectively search for the answers:

1.) Why are CH and Suzie Wong the only bars in Soi Cowboy with any nudity? Do they have special connections / permissions?

2.) With fully nude girls and overall better looking an younger girls in CH than anywhere else in Soi Cowboy, business there is booming. Why aren't other bars emulating this model? I just don't get it. Seems so much obviously better and this is reflected in the booming business.

3.) Is everyone as bored by the shows at CH and Suzie Wong (SW) as I am? The "lesbian" show at SW was delivered with zero enthusiasm and was just sort of sad and awkward to watch. Likewise, all of the shows with pussy tricks that seem like they were thought up by 13 year-old boys are just kind of gross and annoying, if you ask me. If I wanted to see these kinds of shows, I'd go to Patpong. Are their actually people in Soi Cowboy who are into this or are the bars just going through the motions because they think it's what customers want (or they're trying to kill time and give the regular dancers a break?) Finally, the girls in the shows seem consistently less good looking than other girls.

4.) What the hell is a "standard" bar fine at CH these days? I've seen people say 2500, but also 3000. Tonight I was quoted 4000 (short time!) by a girl whose body type I is my favorite (pretty spinner, small tits) whom I proceeded to buy a lady drink for. She then took off to sit with another customer for the rest of the night. Annoying behavior. Maybe par for the course, I realize. But any tips on how to avoid this? I'm not too old or bad looking, by the way, so I'm pretty sure the problem isn't me. I'm also super polite, friendly, chill. Just don't get it.

5/) Any other recommendations for bars with nudity and better looking, younger girls? Is CH all there is these days? Suzie Wong was pretty disappointing as far as looks of the girls. Nana suggestions also welcome, but I've consistently found Nana to be sub-par and don't like places where LBs are mixed in. Just don't want to have to navigate that, nothing against LBs, just not my thing.

So, after a fairly lame experience at CH, I walked past massage row (nothing caught my eye there) and then back to my hotel. I decided to give WeChat a try. It's dominated by LBs but they mostly identify themselves clearly as such. Within a few minutes, I received a few greetings and responses to greetings I sent out. I asked "100% female?" right away and the girl I was chatting with confirmed. We then went to a video call. She looked pretty good. Within 10 minutes she was at my room. WeChat is indeed easy and fast and girls are clearly on for work and get straight to the point. That said, I don't think I'll repeat. She wasn't bad, and 1500ST seemed like a reasonable price, but her body was underwhelming and she was all business. The fact is, there's just know way to really gauge looks, let alone personality via WeChat or any app. I think I'll just hit a regular massage place if I can't find anything I like in the bars. The girl was nice, and OK looking, but when we actually got down to it there was a smell emanating from you-know-where (front, not back end) that was just awful. Really off-putting. Almost told her she should go to the doctor but didn't want to hurt her feelings. Kind of nasty though.

In conclusion: Answers to any of my questions would be much appreciated! WeChat is easy and quick, but looking at selfies, and even video chat, just don't give you a truly clear sense of a girl's body. I probably won't try it again. That's the whole reason I like nude place. More fun to be there, and more clarity about who I'm shooting for.

Thanks for everything ISG. If anyone can send me to the cheaper, hotter, naked girls dancing (what else are any of us looking for, in fact) please reply or PM.

[QUOTE=GrandaddyPerp;2032913]Given the environment, I can see why Pattaya 'WGs' would be less inclined to want DATY and DFK. It's also becoming less of a thing in BKK as well. I chalk this up the the typical Devil May Care attitude of farang sexpat. Thai mongers tend to be a lot more cautious mostly due to the fear of getting a 'WG' pregos and having to deal with the shame or having to support a second family. Farang tourists can do whatever for a couple of weeks and then just leave the country (what happens in Thailand.).

Thais are also not so much into a lot of the other activities that tend to spread diseases like anal, CIM, and DATY. I often get really odd looks when I go to places like Mango or Cherry and ask for A+ service.[/QUOTE]I would chalk it up to the current punters not being as demanding and accepting whatever they get from the WGs. If customers would walk when poor service is provided then gals would start providing.

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[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2033171]I would chalk it up to the current punters not being as demanding and accepting whatever they get from the WGs. If customers would walk when poor service is provided then gals would start providing.[/QUOTE]I always expect DFK and DATY. Doesn't matter if it's the lowest common denominator or the high class soapy where I'm paying a premium. Whether the girl delivers solidly informs my decision to repeat / return to that establishment. I have much more experience in german FKKs and Singapore than in Thailand, but my approach is the same.

[QUOTE=FormulaOneFan;2033195]I always expect DFK and DATY. Doesn't matter if it's the lowest common denominator or the high class soapy where I'm paying a premium. Whether the girl delivers solidly informs my decision to repeat / return to that establishment. I have much more experience in german FKKs and Singapore than in Thailand, but my approach is the same.[/QUOTE]I was very satisfied with the service I received in BKK this trip. Not one bad experience in 5 weeks and many memorable ones, but I would not compare Go Go girl sex, even the best, with the professional porn star sessions I received at the Lord. The girls look different too.

As to DFK; some Thai Go Go girls get into it and others don't. All my Lord girls, for example, gave great DFK. But on the whole, I experienced better and more consistent DFK from my Jakarta girls than my BKK girls this trip and on previous trips. Indo girls are great kissers.

As to DATY; most girls I know can really get into it and it is a great way to get great sex from a girl, but there are some girls that don't want it either because they are too shy or because they do not want to get turned on. The former reason is acceptable to me and I am tolerant of their shyness and take my time with them especially if I like them. My Mini, for example, always accepted DATY, but she was never into it much for the first couple of years that I knew her. One time I asked her why she did not like it and she said it was because it reminded her of a doctor's visit. It took me a couple of minutes to understand what the hell she was talking about, then I understood that she was referring to getting into gynecologist stirrups for an exam. Ha Ha. I was very patient with Mini and I am happy to report that it paid off. DATY is now one of the two ways she reaches her orgasm and she loves it. The other way is Cowgirl. As for the girls who refuse DATY because they do not want to be turned on and enjoy the session, what can I say? Bad girls! Luckily I have not had a bad one in a long, long time or maybe I have honed my selection skills to the point where I instinctively weed out the bad ones. I do not know.

As to barebacking; its a two way street. Both parties have to want it for it to happen. There are some BKK girls that always request a condom no matter how many times you shag them, some BKK girls that will bareback after the 2nd, 3rd, or nth time you see them, and some BKK girls that will bareback from the get go. I don't know a thing about German FKK's, but in Thailand the default is BBBJ's and covered sex. Its been this way since the mid 80's, so I always expect a BBBJ, but I never expect a bareback ride especially from a new girl and so I am ocassionally surprised when it is offered, but I never ask for it or negotiate for it. I think it would kill the vibe. Its kind of like a Forrest Gump "box of chocolates" thing to me (with new girls).

And lastly in regards to the two way street thing I mentioned above, there are some BKK girls that I would love to go down on and bareback when and if it is offered, then many, many other BKK girls that I would prefer not to go down on or bareback for one reason or another, and still others (the vast majority) that I don't want to have any kind of sex with even if they paid ME! 555, if you know what I mean. That's Bangkok.