Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034091]I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.
[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think the guys who are not keen on the more modern Thai P4P scene and still rely on the sex complexes for finding dates, are definitely not in a buyers market. I stopped into CH around 8 months ago and I wasn't impressed at all with what I saw. I see the draw in that they are naked and all but I didn't really see anything that has ever prompted me to go back.

These days the only place I stop into on a semi-regular basis is Pink Panther in Patpong. It's on the circuit I take out of town guests on. PP actually has some really hot Coyotes (curvy but really fit workout bodies) who can dance but they are still short with the typical Issan look and attitude. They will go with customers but I was shocked when one of my buddies had to have this girl that he fell for and ended up paying her 5000ST plus 1500 BF. I understand the convenience of these places, especially for tourists, but I think it's gotten to the point where these venues prefer to be more like lounges and wanting to keep customers inside and drinking in order to pay for their astronomical rent. Something like a 1500 baht BF is seemingly meant to discourage customers but at the same time, if they can get someone to pay it then they make out either way.

Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.

I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2034133]Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.

I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?[/QUOTE]Pretty much 100% PSE oily shops for me. But, I'm getting tired of the fact there are no real lookers there, hence I only partake about once a month when I am really revved up. Otherwise I just spend my money on other things. I'd be glad to pay more than the 1900 - 2300 for better looking gals who perform the as well as the PSE olly gals. But I have yet to find a venue that offers as such.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034049]No offense to you personally SexInSti, but I just don't get it. One of the guys I was with still lives in the US and for 150 USD he can get a looker for an hour who really performs, has a good skill set, and takes her job seriously. When you add in the drinks at the bar and the ST hotel you are looking at close to 150, more if you are paying 1500 BF (which I might add is ridiculous).[/QUOTE]No offense taken. I'm sure that in certain parts of the States that's true, but in the majority of the USA, it's still at least $200/250 per girl (not the $118 I paid). I was recently in Chicago, where 'Asian Apartment Girls' is the big thing. And it's $200 for a very strict hour (or shorter if you pop early). The quality of girls varies, sometimes very good, sometimes OK, occasionally a superb one. But they never stick around. On top of that, the secrecy, the process of verification, the threat of LE.

As a long time monger, I can understand the perspective you have. If I was here full time, I'd get picky as hell. But I'm not. I'm like a kid in a candy store right now.

But. I still do appreciate the sitting and chatting, the walk and talk to the hotel, and in this instance, the quick dinner and chat afterwards; none of which I get with these kind of experiences in the States. All in all I probably spent almost 3 hours with the two of these girls, which would've cost me a lot more in the USA.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2034049]I really do think that the punters are far less demanding these days. The gals know they can get away with poor to mediocre service and still get paid. Good on 'them. They are absolutely not to blame for the current "scene. " The guys are.[/QUOTE]It may not be the 'less demanding' as it is just, unfamiliarity with the process. My first time here I fell for all kinds of stuff, just because I was worried I'd offend someone or didn't understand certain differences in how it all works. It's still a buyer's market, it just sometimes takes more work than buyers would like.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2034133]Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.

I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?[/QUOTE]A lot of the better looking girls I've met all use social media to set things up so they don't have to deal with some of the drunken silliness in the clubs. And the prices are better and no bar fines.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2034133]Where do you guys go then, if gogo's are bad? Where has the expat p4 p market shifted? I personally like the higher end soapy scene (3-4 k baht) for 1. 5 hours. I find the girls look way better than what you could find in a gogo, and service is often good, especially if they are very attractive. Oddly enough, it's the average or slightly above average looking girls that can be starfish material.

I used to go to nataree all the damn time, because 2600 baht and the selection were really good. And it was like 5-10 minutes away from where I lived (I probably chose that location because duh, soapies). But now I'm looking to move into the online / social-media scene as I think I can get better price-to-quality ratio. Got to build that p4 p roster amirite?[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that. My recent Agogo ventures were very brief. I totally enjoy the higher end Sopies and more Thai oriented places now.

I still like the Go Go's and find good looking / good performing girls there. This last trip I took quality girls out of Crazy House, Twister, Billboard, Mandarin, and Kings Castle II. I will post a trip report and bar review when I get over this jet lag thing. I also had enjoyable to amazing sessions in the Lord, La Belle, Addict, and Honey Bee. To my regret I could not find the time in 5.5 weeks to check out any Gentlemen's Clubs. I mixed it up with old friends (my regulars) and new talent of which I think a few might become regulars on my next trip.

I do not think soapy girls are any better looking than Go Go girls. A few are, but most are not IMHO. Most soapy girls appear to me to be from a different talent pool than Go Go girls. They look different. Service varies in most soapy places, but I think the service at the Lord is consistently exceptional, but as I wrote in another post, its a different kind of service than what I usually get from even my favorite Go Go girls or oily massage girls. The Lord girls are well trained / well managed sex professionals. Technically you don't have to do a thing. The girls really know how to turn a man on. Of course I participated equally in the action and had amazing times (5 out of 5 times) this year at the Lord. With Go Go girls and most oily massage girls, the sessions are much less technically oriented. It is more like amateur boy / girl love making which can get real passionate if you know what you are doing and are with the right girl which is why I still really like the Go Go's big time.

To each their own. I am always on the look out for new venues. I haven't tried the social media chat sites. I have looked in from time to time, but I never went further than that to set something up. I guess I am old fashion and like the hunt and to see a girl in the flesh, gage her atitude, talk to her, get a little personal, and then decide if I want her or not. Its all about the top 10% to 15% of the girls in oily massage parlors & Go Go's. The rest I leave to others. So I am still happy happy in BKK, but I also really like Jakarta and Manila, spending my time approximately 2:1:1 respectively. The girls there are different in MNL and CGK, but ultimately the same same. They are definitely worth checking out, however, if you find yourself getting weary of BKK girls. A little variety in this sporting life is a good thing.

To that end I must find the time to hit the Gentlemen's Clubs next time around. I make this resolution every year. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034091]I totally agree that the guys are to blame. No doubt about it.

As far as sex in the USA, it's now close to the same price as in Thailand as far as a per encounter price. The difference being that if you get caught with a hooker in the USA, you get arrested, it goes on your permanent record, and you very likely lose your job.[/QUOTE]I agree the all-in gogo club prices are edging up there, but Thailand can still be much cheaper if you play in certain segments of the market. Some examples:

In Bangkok two hours of multiple pop / full service at a PSE oily is 2,300 baht, which is $66 USD. For that price in the USA you typically get a QV (quick visit) 15 minute covered blow job off of Craigslist.

In Bangkok a BBBJ CIM at a BJ shop is 800 baht, which is $23 USD. In the USA it takes $60 for a QV (quick visit) 15 minute CBJ off of Craigslist.

In Bangkok quickie FS from a lower Suk FL can be had for 1,000 baht, which is $29. In the USA it takes $80 for a HH (half hour) of FS off of Craigslist.

In Bangkok a 90 minute two lady anything goes PSE at Eden Club is 4,200 baht, which is $120 USD. Guessing an equivalent two provider type situation in the USA would start in the $400-$500 range.

I could keep going but I think you get my point. In Bangkok not only can the prices be significantly lower, the service levels are typically significantly better.

SL.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2034191]I agree the all-in gogo club prices are edging up there, but Thailand can still be much cheaper if you play in certain segments of the market. Some examples:

In Bangkok two hours of multiple pop / full service at a PSE oily is 2,300 baht, which is $66 USD. For that price in the USA you typically get a QV (quick visit) 15 minute covered blow job off of Craigslist.

In Bangkok a BBBJ CIM at a BJ shop is 800 baht, which is $23 USD. In the USA it takes $60 for a QV (quick visit) 15 minute CBJ off of Craigslist.

In Bangkok quickie FS from a lower Suk FL can be had for 1,000 baht, which is $29. In the USA it takes $80 for a HH (half hour) of FS off of Craigslist.

In Bangkok a 90 minute two lady anything goes PSE at Eden Club is 4,200 baht, which is $120 USD. Guessing an equivalent two provider type situation in the USA would start in the $400-$500 range.

I could keep going but I think you get my point. In Bangkok not only can the prices be significantly lower, the service levels are typically significantly better.

SL.[/QUOTE]Very well put indeed! Too many people are not comparing equivalent things at all. I can get 2 hours in a Soapy with a young girl with a great perfect body for 2000 Baht. What will I get for same money in home country? I shudder to think what I would get for the same price. Something not at all nice. The western hookers at home are mostly (90%) horrible. I did not use one for many years. I quit tabletop clubs many years ago too. Not good VFM.

USA is known as the sex prison or super puritanical bible bashing Country. There are plenty of USA guys travelling to Europe for "secret" FKK sex holidays. They would not do that if the USA options were really good.

If there is nothing at a viable price in Thailand, guys could be finding girls on the Phnom Penh outskirts who don't speak English going for prices like many years ago, or Nigeria should be a cheap option.

I agree that gogo girls pricing has got out of hand, to be nearly double what it should be, however great fun girls can be found, and the money is not a big concern to a lot of the customers, hence that is how it got out of hand. There also seems to be no great difference in price asked between great girls and crap girls, perhaps varies more by the girls' looks, so that is why I like girls who do not specify a price. I can then adjust the payment to vary between great girls and crap girls. The reality is 90% of girls who don't specify a price, actually have a good attitude and turn out O.K.

For new girls, I tend to take the typical price multiplied by my success rate, to give a fair comparison between various new girl options. i.e. It is no use to me if Thermae girls cost me a little less, if none of them are good enough to repeat, service weak, and the body was unexpectedly poor. So bar girls are costing me more, but I have a higher success rate, than freelancers or Soapy girls. Only the PSE shops really offer a great price and a great success rate for service. It is then purely a question of finding someone pretty enough to be of interest.

There are many factors to consider, not just the price alone. I only take LT with girls known to be good VFM, pretty, good body and good service. Everything has to be right, almost perfect. Some of my gogo girls would be very good LT options for me if their price is right.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2034173]I do not think soapy girls are any better looking than Go Go girls. A few are, but most are not IMHO. Most soapy girls appear to me to be from a different talent pool than Go Go girls. They look different. Service varies in most soapy places, but I think the service at the Lord is consistently exceptional, but as I wrote in another post, its a different kind of service than what I usually get from even my favorite Go Go girls or oily massage girls. The Lord girls are well trained / well managed sex professionals. [/QUOTE]I agree, unfortunately my recent Lord tryout girl, was not as good as my favourite gogo girls for GFE service, her body was a little behind as well, and she was not as good as my Evita girl at almost 35% of the price. I guess this is bad luck, but not many of the Lord girls are stunning enough to really interest me, probably due to me being allergic to surgeries. The odd one like K35 spotted just once, was really stunning, so I may try again some day.

Most girls I ever tried at La Belle, were not good enough to repeat either. I only ever had one favourite there, and I went off her as well. I don't really understand what has gone wrong for me in the modern day, since 20 to 15 years ago at ChaoPhraya 2, I used to have very high success rates. Of course girls were all natural in those days, but that should not affect performance. I wonder if it has something to do with number of years in the age gap, and that 15 to 20 years ago, Thai girls liked young Farangs more than they do now.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2034199]
USA is known as the sex prison or super puritanical bible bashing Country. There are plenty of USA guys travelling to Europe for "secret" FKK sex holidays. They would not do that if the USA options were really good.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of good options in the USA if you don't worry about being arrested and having that arrest ruin your life.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2034241]There are plenty of good options in the USA if you don't worry about being arrested and having that arrest ruin your life.[/QUOTE]What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2034282]What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?[/QUOTE]Off-topic, but as far as I understand, police in the US do busts at MPs as well. If you're careful, the likelihood of getting caught for a customer is lower than with a streetwalker (too much effort to set up a full decoy shop to bust customers), but there have been arrests of customers during raids.

US is one of the rare countries where penalties for customers are extreme, potentially life-changing, and likelihood of being caught is high, since prostitution busts are easy, low-risk wins for the police. You can basically be labeled a sex offender and precluded from ever working a decent job again (due to background checks), or even living in most decent places. Even if not convicted, in some states, they can take your car through civil forfeiture on mere suspicion of cruising for sex.

I checked my regulars on LINE. I made some calls. Virtually none of my regular girls was available today.

Emannuelle girl away sick, Evita girl not in, Prae (Mango) on holiday, Orient girl still on holidays, Can Cam May girl not scheduled, ex Twisters girl avail tomorrow, Oom not working CH today, my New Massage girl Pink long gone (probably got a BF), etc. Etc. Just wanted a ST so was not taking my all night girl, as have to work early in morning, and my Soi 4 girl typically comes late. Decided to check Crazy House and if poor, would try maybe some other girls at Can Cam.

First set of girls (the shorties) no dice. No one with good enough face. 2nd set, I see a girl from the back only and admire her sleek body with beautiful peach ass. Is that ass familiar? Has blondish reddish hair. She is talking to another girl I know Noi. Recognise a few other girls, some not seen for a long time, Boom, Ui, Naen, and Chocolat (returned after baby). I change seats. Now I can see the cute ass is attached to a girl with very cute nose and very pretty pussy, in fact I know her, it is Jun (rhymes with fun) No. 93, skinny girl small tits, no baby, tight pretty pussy, but best of all she specializes in Farangs, doesn't like Asians or blacks, and was the girl who told me at our first meeting that she likes big cock, even before she had any clue what size I was. So absolutely no risk of the dick scared seized up stiff legs syndrome that I experience sometimes with new girls. I also remember she DFKs pretty good despite teeth braces. So here is a sure fire girl for me, who makes it fun on the bed. I could not remember at all if she does a good BBBJ. Too bad, I do remember I had her down as a definite for repeat.

So cost more than my recent Oily girl, due to bar fine and a couple of drinks each, and a ST room. However for me, her looks were far in front of the Oily girl, especially really model like body. So perhaps it is nearly worth it. Still cheap than my try at The Lord, and far more satisfying. As it is only Thursday, did not get kicked out of Asoke Place ST room after 1 hour. I would estimate we took 90 minutes. The DATY and BBBJ were not lengthy so most of the time was fucking in various positions. Her DFK was pretty good. BBBJ average I guess.

Not as good VFM as my Evita girl or a Mango or Tulip girl or my favourite on Soi 4, however, had to take what was available with no risk of failure, and got my type of pretty and sexy into the deal. It's not easy to find girls like this in the MPs where one can guarantee the perfection of the belly, pussy, and ass, see evidently no surgeries, railway tracks etc. In MPs you have to get lucky the first time she takes her clothes off, or have read someone's very detailed revue. None of my favourite girls ever came from someone else's revue. Always had to find them for myself to suit me. I usually only benefitted from recommendations of a shop to try out, and even then usually sceptical. For me, Crazy House line up tonight did actually have a few possibilities and definitely well in front of Club 102 line up the other night, of course it helps the girls are nude, but less surgeries as well. A few pairs of sillies tonight but not that many.

I don't actually care about the standard of the full line up when we are looking at 40 to 60 girls. Really only the top few ever matter. I can only really focus on one or two girls at a time.

Was funny about announcements at Crazy House. First one in Thai, tells the girls to make sure they have a photocopy of their ID cards, etc. For the Police inspection coming tomorrow. I could follow that announcement easily. 2nd announcement in English for the customers, possibly something about upstairs, but really I could not understand it at all. If they must announce in English, they should find a good English speaker. I am sure all the Japanese customers, equally had little clue what was announced.

One girl at CH I know comes from near to Siem Riap Cambodia and speaks Thai not so clear, possibly worse than me at times. I wonder if she has to stay away for the Police visit. She tells me it only costs her 250 Baht on bus and takes 4 hours to get to her home in Cambodia. Strange she can work. The Boi Baet Cambodian girl at Suzie Wong some time ago had to quit due to not a Thai citizen.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;2034282]What is the situation in the USA with reference to MP's. Of course not legitimate, but somehow hidden and active as in many oarts of the world?[/QUOTE]I have used USA AMP's for many years. They advertise as massage on backpage, craigslist, and other online places. They tend to get busted when neighbors complain or when the government does a sweep, supposedly looking for sex trafficking. Sometimes television stations and newspapers do stories about sex at these massage places, complete with photographs of exterior and interior.

In USA, busts for street prostitution, American parlors, and escorts are common. IMHO, it is more difficult to set up a bust for an AMP simply because there are very few Americans working in law enforcement that can fake a good Asian accent and mannerisms. I'm still very cautious when I walk into an AMP for the first time.