Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1452456]I've seen a guy with me recently go with me to a go go and I forgot to tell him to negotiate price first and don't tell her that you want to barfine without telling her your price (2, 000 S. T. 3,000 L. T. Under no circumstances let her walk off and get the mamasan to come over to name the price the price will be around 2500 or up? Once that happens you are already in a hole?[/QUOTE]Not necessarily true. The last girl I took from Bac was a girl I had previously fucked a couple of times about 2 years earlier. It seems she is not one of the top shelf girls in Japanese eyes. However very cute to me, tall and small face upturned natural nose, nice real tits and curvy. I bought her a drink or two and she admitted that she did not remember me. No matter. I barfined without negotiation. She was happy. She never stated a price at any time. I paid a fair amount and she was happy. No issues. I am not trying to get as cheap as possible. These girls have to try to make a living and she was not getting BFed several times a night. I realise fully that not all girls are sweet like this. Perhaps only a few girls in Bac and in Rainbow 4 are will to chance a non-negotiation. However its very normal for me not to negotiate a price.

If the mamasan tried to get into the negotiation I would lose interest immediately, or certainly ignore the mamasan. The girl can speak for herself, as I speak Thai very well.

Girls seem to just get a feeling I am going to treat them nicely. Perhaps if I was the stingy type, girls would name the price.

below is a story of my youth. as you read it, it will seem utterly egocentric and self-congratulatory, but it does have a purpose. if you have the time and inclination to read it all the way through, you will see that this post is not just me talking about myself, but i'm making one general point about mongering as i see it, and one specific point about my upcoming trip to bkk. if this is too much for you, i humbly recommend that you skip this post, and / or add me to your ignore list.

[b]stranger in the waterfall[/b]

when i was 18 years old, the day after the last day of high school, four of my friends and i had a week long bash at a beach vacation spot in an exotic location. it was distant from home, with sparkling white beaches, gorgeous women of all varieties, wonderful cheap food, and excellent night life. we had a great time, as any graduating group of young men should. we rented a beat-up ford escort from some guy in an insurance office, and a small cottage on the beach, right next to a large hotel on one side, and undeveloped land on the other.

one morning i woke up early, at the crack of dawn, for some inexplicable reason. it was dead quiet, the sun not-yet rising in the east, and a gentle wind wafting in from the ocean. i don't know why, but i decided to go into the ocean. perhaps i was disoriented from the lack of sleep, or alcohol from the night before, or perhaps something was calling me. i got my trunks on and grabbed my rubber shoes and trotted off all by myself into the still-semi-dark morning. the tide was out. way out. and so coral was exposed and there were lots of great wade pools that i mucked about in for a while (remember, i was only a boy of 18yrs). i worked my way up the coast, looking at the rock formations and the fish and fauna of the ocean. it was a strange and eerie feeling, to be out alone, this early in the morning, having had just three hours of sleep the night before, and i really did not know why i was there.

i then heard water gushing, and i made my way towards the sound. the gushing was from a small man-made waterfall in a beach-side swimming pool at the hotel next to our cottage. there was a ten foot waterfall that fell right into the swimming pool, which was set just above the ocean, and very visible from where i was in the water. there was a deep natural lagoon between where i was (about 30 feet off shore) and where the pool was (up on a natural coral plateau). i plunged into the deep ocean water and swam across towards the waterfall, not knowing why exactly. as i approached, i saw an image that is forever burned into my memory. there was someone in that swimming pool above me, in fact standing right behind the waterfall. she stood there, wearing a bikini, and in the glimmering dark of the morning light, all i could make out was her gentle hour-glass figure. a little flutter in my solar plexus went off as i realized there was a reason i had woken up that morning and inexplicably walked into a dark ocean.

through the dark of the morning and past the falling water, i could not see anything but her outline, and that she was facing away from me, with the waterfall between the two of us. but this is when it happened: she slowly backed up, slowly entering the waterfall, ass first. her ass broke the crisp stream of flowing water, causing water to splash in all directions. it was falling in a perfectly symmetrical flow, hitting the top of her ass and flying like crazy in every direction. the splash at the top of her ass was shaped like a star, if you can imagine that, and it was bright and shining. so imagine how angelic the image was. it was the most brilliant sight my teen eyes had ever captured, even more than sherilyn fenn's pubes in two moon junction. and unlike fenn's holiest of holies, which i watched a thousand times on my vcr over and over again, i knew immediately that i would never see anything quite like this again. i opened my eyes wide so as to capture as much of that image as i could, and i consciously thought to myself: 'kumbu, remember this. '

she was bent forward at the waist, with the water still hitting her ass and flying in all directions. her back was arched and her legs were together and so water was gently flowing down them, giving them a shimmering, rapturous effect. i was treading water at the time, and i felt myself sink as blood gushed towards my still maturing teen-testicles. as i watched that water flow down her legs, i realized that her legs were simply immaculate. perfectly shaped and proportioned, and as best i could tell in the growing morning light, they were as toned as i had ever seen. that image, of two legs and an ass, with a star of flying water topping it all, is forever seared into my memory, and if i am to be honest, that became forever the archetype of the perfect female body for me. in fact, to this day, it is sometimes the image that i last see in my mind's eye as i fall asleep.

the moment lasted perhaps ten seconds, before she stepped forward, unaware of my peeping tom presence. she then came around the waterfall and started swimming around the pool, still unaware of my presence 15 feet away in the ocean. i thought about going up and, well, i don't know what. but i wisely decided that such a move would spoil the memory. so i quietly submerged myself, and gently swam 30 feet to stage-left and on to the coral reef again. i walked up the beach to our cottage and sat at the base of the steps contemplating what i had just seen.

my buddies awoke, and i never told them what i had just experienced. they would not have understood. thinking back, it was a pivotal moment in my life since it basically defined for me what sexual beauty in a woman is. the ass, with long, firm, shapely legs, bent over at the waist, shimmering in the morning light. that's an image i strive for in each and every sexual encounter. you know the three-way categorization of guys into breast-men, ass-men and leg-men, right? well, that night, i became a leg and ass man.

later that day i walked over to the hotel trying to catch another glimpse of the beauty, and there she was, sunbathing by the pool all by herself. i did not approach her. i just sat nearby sipping a cola, watching her every move. she was sublime. a perfectly proportioned goddess, sitting quietly in her sun hat and her bikini oblivious to the carnage she was causing within my developing sense of sexuality. my macho friends saw her and their tongues fell out. they started wolf calling and ran over to impress her with the sheer volume of their testosterone (i say this with fondness, these guys are still my best friends). pretty soon they were stuck all over her like cum in hair. they were loud and obnoxious like 18 year old hormone filled boys are, and she giggled and was well natured about it all.

turns out she was italian, and did not speak a word of english, and this made my friends' efforts more futile than ever. throughout the day she looked in my direction, never quite locking eye gaze, but we were both aware that we were aware of each other, if that makes sense. as the day progressed, she tired of the loud boys' antics, and late in the afternoon, as i sat on the other side of the pool, she looked my way. our eyes met, and she gave me the most communicative look i have ever had. i understood.

i left with my friends, returned to our cottage, had dinner, and my friends then went out looking for some trouble. i stayed behind. when they had left, i walked out into the dark towards the hotel next door, and there she was, sitting by the pool, near the now-hallowed waterfall, waiting for me.

i approached, she stood, we kissed immediately. we sat, and kissed some more. i remember the softness of her lips, the silkiness of her skin beneath my fingers, her honey-colored hair brushing against my arms as i embraced her, and a gentle scent of lemon. oh, and a brutal, raging hard-on. things got heavy, and at some point, she pulled back. she looked me in the eyes, she smiled, and kissed me softly, slowly, on the lips. she got up and walked away, and i never saw her again.

i never spoke a word to this girl, partly because she didn't speak english and i didn't speak italian, and partly because it was just so, so surreal. if i could do the whole thing over, i would not change a single detail. if i had tried to talk with her, or communicate with her, or have sex with her, or get her address, or whatever, the whole thing would have morphed into something far more complex, and ultimately, it would have lost its simplistic beauty.

[b]my general point[/b]

i did not know it, but that day i learned the virtues of mongering. that might seem like quite a leap for you, but let me explain. for me, and perhaps unlike some of you, mongering is not about cumming. don't get me wrong. that is invariably how it ends, but the real goal for me is not to ejaculate. i can ejaculate with the ones i love the most. my wife and myself. mongering is all about getting that simple connection between me and my partner. a naive, sexual attraction with no complications: no strings attached, sexual and ever so slightly emotional. if it gets any heavier, it is no longer mongering, and its complexity will obliterate any beauty that the experience might otherwise harbor. this is always a danger, and in honesty, i have sometimes slipped in that direction. on the other hand, if it gets any lighter, then it becomes a meaningless physical exertion, the likes of which i can have in front of my computer any time i like. so it is a balancing act: i want a connection, but with no strings attached. and this is exactly what my italian princess gave to me. a very real, poignant sense of intimacy and connection, with a hint of sexuality, and then, as the locals in the 808 say, pau.

i've gone to great lengths to write this up in this way because i wanted to make this point. and the reason to make the point is that i will be posting my reports soon, and if past experience is anything to go by, some of you are going to get mighty upset. one might even describe some previous reactions to my posts as downright bitchy. but you need to understand the context within which i operate, and that context is my life history and my own preferences.

mongers come in all different types. i am not the kind who wants to ejaculate into any warm vessel. i want a little bit of tenderness, and some warmth. and therefore the experiences i seek out will not be the same as what you might seek out. so when i post my reports, you may get infuriated with me, and you might think things like the following:

- why didn't he take the money shot right into her eye ball?

- why did he pay her the agreed upon amount, even though there was just one pop on a lt deal?

- why did he pick the frumpy solemn one and not the crazy-eyed whack job, who surely would have rocked his socks?

- so what if it was her period. why didn't he fuck her in the ass?

- why did he tip her. doesn't he know he is spoiling the market?

- etc.

the answer is simple: i am not you. you don't enjoy the same things i do. you don't have the same budget as i do. you don't have the same attitude towards women and humanity (for better or for worse) as i do. and you were not moved as a young man by a stranger in the waterfall. you each have your own life experiences that you, no doubt, are loyal to. and for that reason, i will never judge you or condemn you for what you do (unless it becomes abusive or illegal). i will, however, offer advice and constructive comments on your experiences. i hope you will extend to me the same courtesy.

so just relax, read my reports, enjoy them or not, and post your reactions. or not, it doesn't really matter. correct any errors in my posts, and fix any misperceptions you think i have. and then eagerly await my next post, to either rip or to roar, because it will be coming, whether you like it or not.

my specific point is in my next post.

It's been a while since I've had to endure the rigors of BKK and its endless sexual offerings. As such, it's been a while since I've required the aid of chemistry, if you know what I mean. Last time I needed it, I sampled the whole set of chemicals available at the time (Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, Cialis low-dose, Kamagra, Kamagra Gel, etc.). I found viagra caused excessive nasal congestion and light headedness, Cialis just doesn't work on me, Kamagra gives me a slight rash, but Levitra works the best. This, of course, is unique to me. Everyone reacts to these products differently.

I got a prescription from my doctor for 20mg pills, which are small nondescript brown pills. I split them into quarters, and each quarter was a single dose for me back then, sufficient to power me through whatever BKK threw at me. It's been a few years since my last jaunt, so I am a little apprehensive about whether my natural erectile powers are what they used to be, or whether I will need to rely on the little brown pill more than before. So I decided to make sure I have a good stock of Levitra on hand. I started poking around my medicine cabinet, and didn't see any. Ah yes, I don't keep my boner pills where my wife will see them. She'll wonder why I need boner pills, given that she has not seen me with a boner in over three years.

So I dug down into the back of my closet and found my secret stash of Thai paraphernalia. I found a little pill box, and in it, voila! There were two little brown pills. Perfect. I won't need to go through the headache of renewing my prescription and picking up the pills from my pharmacy. Plus, if I split these two pills, that gives me 8 doses. Perfect for my 8 night escapade.

As I put them into my luggage, something made me wince. I wasn't sure what it was, so I looked at the pills again. They were small, circular and brown, just as I remembered them, perhaps a little larger than I remember them, but certainly Levitra. What else could they be? I don't take a lot of drugs typically, and so there aren't any other med. S that I could be confusing these for. I noticed there were some markings on the pill, so I decided to google them. Good thing too, because they turned out to be something other than Levitra. The markings on the pill were:

563 Pliva.

Imagine what would have happened if I had popped one of these just before trying to do an hour of push ups over a Thai sweetie.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1452471]Baccara girls aren't agency driven. The prices are driven because of how they look. Very good!

If you want 2k short time you need to go to the farang oriented bars like Suzie Wongs, I wouldn't be surprised if 1500 be. Get you the girl of your choice.

The DER want pretty girls, they don't cum cheap. Will you guys stop at a one price for all type strategy. It's ok if you don't mind undesireables but not for pretty faces.[/QUOTE]I disagree, other go go's that might not use Agency girls know what is going on in other places. The girls talk and know, rumor, what is being asked in other clubs.

At good example or best I can give you is take Soi 6, in Pattaya, a bunch of guys decided they wanted to save Soi 6, so they open a number of bars there. Prior to that Soi 6, the general price was 300 for the room and 700 for the girls.

I hadn't been down to Soi 6, for sometime but after all the buzz I decided with a few make a visit. I found the the 3 that provided all the buzz they were now asking 350 for the BF and every girl was asking 1, 000 baht S. T. Although at one I easily got the girl down to 700 baht.

While I visited some of the old one on Soi 6, I was told by many girls at these bars that they wanted 1, 000 S. T. And when I ask them why so much the conversation turn to these 3 popular clubs that they heard the girls were getting that amount so why shouldn't they ask for it too since customers are paying it. I ask one how many customer have you gotten today, answer zero, and it was already near 11pm. I told her I can get LT, where I stay for 1, 000. A few that quoted me that amount I sense I could easily got them down to 700 baht.

The point is the clubs using Agency etc. That are asking more does have influnence on other clubs like Bac. Just because you are a Farang doesn't mean you have to pay what a Korean / Japanese pay, not every girls is being BF by them. If you want something like anything else ask?

LBM

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452661]I did not know it, but that day I learned the virtues of mongering. That might seem like quite a leap for you, but let me explain. For me, and perhaps unlike some of you, mongering is not about cumming. Don't get me wrong. That is invariably how it ends, but the real goal for me is not to ejaculate. I can ejaculate with the ones I love the most. My wife and myself. Mongering is all about getting that simple connection between me and my partner. A naive, sexual attraction with no complications: no strings attached, sexual and ever so slightly emotional. If it gets any heavier, it is no longer mongering, and its complexity will obliterate any beauty that the experience might otherwise harbor. This is always a danger, and in honesty, I have sometimes slipped in that direction. On the other hand, If it gets any lighter, then it becomes a meaningless physical exertion, the likes of which I can have in front of my computer any time I like...[/QUOTE]I'm all-in for the connection with hookers. LOL. Your problem is you only got 8 days. Good luck. Perhaps you should go the skogis route where all the sessions are GFE. LOL.

A couple days ago, maybe Monday I took a snapshot of the clientele at Rainb 4, as it looked awfully odd. 50 customers. 25 farangs 25 Asians. LOL. Not looking good for those who like white skinn pretty girls.

Rain 1 is hard to judge. I can t for the life of me figgure out who the stars are. No one stands out as far as barining goes. 2 girls I think are very pretty get no barfines at all.

Rain 1.I can't even fugure out what their stage rotattion is. All I know is they don't have enuff hookers for 2 separate sets of dancers.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1452661]Turns out she was Italian, and did not speak a word of English,[/QUOTE]As you described this woman, I would have bet the farm she wasn't a ginger

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452701]The markings on the pill were:

563 Pliva.

Imagine what would have happened if I had popped one of these just before trying to do an hour of push ups over a Thai sweetie.[/QUOTE]You would have gone all limp (and I mean "all")

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1452661]So just relax, read my reports, enjoy them or not, and post your reactions. Or not, it doesn't really matter. Correct any errors in my posts, and fix any misperceptions you think I have. And then eagerly await my next post, to either rip or to roar, because it will be coming, whether you like it or not.

My specific point is in my next post.[/QUOTE]I'm with you Kumbu. We don't need to be brainwashed into copying some bad and ugly porn movies. We decide for ourselves what is sexy and a turn on. Seek our own style.

Also a cute ass man, after the face. I noticed the other day that all my girls are tending to have a certain type of face, not wide and not round, upturned or straight nose (hooked noses, and really wide noses are out; not keen on fake noses generally) , nice lips, and a cute sexy ass (not flat or saggy) and good legs. Tit size is not so important to me, as long as they are not silicone and not ugly. I like the curves of small waist and wider hips in a certain ratio band. Its all about the beautiful flowing curves of a fairly slim but hot body.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1452513]You do not read Thai and are not a laywer, so you can not understand what the true penalties are for not carrying a passport with you, certainly is not detention.[/QUOTE]Please do go on, then, & enlighten us. You're a lawyer & read Thai? I assume the Thai authorities & some others quoted in my post do speak Thai & know some lawyers.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1452513]You may be suprised but they have computers to check on you legal entry in Thailand even if you loose your passport.[/QUOTE]I would hope so. And your point is?

[QUOTE=Marcos;1452513]Thailand is a supremely practical country, cops will not mess with you unless they have a good reason for. Wonderfully, they will not even mess with you _just_ to extract money from you (there are expection, and these can be usually be handled).[/QUOTE]So you agree that there are corrupt cops.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1452513]so keep your passport on you at all times, risk to loose it and wear it.[/QUOTE]It could be "lost" leaving it in your room when you go out.

I'm not paranoid about losing it when I take it with me when I go out. I feel very safe in BKK.

I think I'll keep it on me in case I run into any of the aforementioned LE.

I think I'll not keep it "on me" when I go swimming or for a shower.

Best of luck.

Outcall.

Our ladies can come to your room or apartment please call us to book. It must be for a minimum of two hours.

2 hours 2. 500 baht.

Outcall.

If you would like a girl to come to your room or apartment please call us. It must be for a minimum of two hours,

2 hours 1000 baht.

2. 0 hours 2, 500 baht for out-call service.

Basically what would run 400+1500 for an hour in is 1000+1500 out is that right? What about Tuplis?

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1452426]Now back to the 2500 for a ST part. Yes I know I will be told off by some and I'm not proud of myself. Can some of the more experienced or locally based punters enlighten me if this has become a standard price? Or perhaps just a more common one? Or just an unusual accident and nothing to be worried about? Not that I'm going to cry over 500 Baht but it's just good to know because over the past 7 years or so it has always been 2000ST and 4000LT (if available) for even the hottest girls in the 'best' bars. Has this been changing lately?[/QUOTE]I have lost count of the number of times I have been to Baccara and have never paid over 2000 for ST. This was regardless of the looks of the girl and whether it was ground or first floor.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1452763]As you described this woman, I would have bet the farm she wasn't a ginger[/QUOTE]Huh. We obviously enjoy very different kinds of honey. The honey I was thinking of is deep and dark.

How about this?

"her hazel-colored hair brushing against my arms as I embraced her"

PP, go quibble someone else, I've got no time for that. "Thai authorites" are a joke, here the only thing that counts is money and status. Best of luck to you too.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1452829]Please do go on, then, & enlighten us. You're a lawyer & read Thai? I assume the Thai authorities & some others quoted in my post do speak Thai & know some lawyers.

Best of luck.[/QUOTE]

Kumbu, I like you writing, even if I'm too much in a light mind to read it properly properly now. Did we ever flamed before? That would not change my appreciation.

The only bad news I have, is that a languid glance from a good looking Italian woman means less than one from a cow being milked.

Big happenings- ok prolly just another night in BKK. LOL.

9pm-walked in R2- did a you-turn and went to R4 instead.

945 pm lights when on. ID check time. They were quick. 10 minutes business as usual. I counted 37 patrons. Thats bad! Asked a ok looker what she charge for st- usual 2500 came out. I still think way too many are asking way too much. I f you not star 2500 no good.

On way to big be big altercation right outside Majestic suites, heard girl screaming and everything. Farang had hold of hardened look hooker. He wouldn't let her go-surprised girl didn't break arm or wrist trying to get away. Farang who didn't look 2 intelligent by the way. LOL. Kept telling onlookers to call the police who were a few feet away. No one did.

Farang showed an interested Thai guy a photo- who knows what happened.

Funny thing is majestic security just stood there and watched just like the rest. LOL.

Big B is a barfine machine their girls are doing good business. Passes my eyeball test. R1, 2, and 4 just don't seem to be keeping up.

Guys will pay for good lookers. Almost 1000 barfine for Big B while Rainbows still at 600.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1452967]Kumbu, I like you writing, even if I'm too much in a light mind to read it properly properly now. Did we ever flamed before?[/quote]Many thanks Marcos. I don't believe you and I have ever quarelled, no. I am anticipating some flaming though, and that's fine.

[Quote=Marcos;1452967]The only bad news I have, is that a languid glance from a good looking Italian woman means less than one from a cow being milked.[/QUOTE]Written like a man who knows, and judging by your name, you do.

But whether anything substantive would have materialized is besides the point: it was a fantastic dream like experience which cemented my mongering philosophy, and that's my only point.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1452994]On way to big be big altercation right outside Majestic suites, heard girl screaming and everything. Farang had hold of hardened look hooker. He wouldn't let her go-surprised girl didn't break arm or wrist trying to get away. Farang who didn't look 2 intelligent by the way. LOL. Kept telling onlookers to call the police who were a few feet away. No one did.

Farang showed an interested Thai guy a photo- who knows what happened.

Funny thing is majestic security just stood there and watched just like the rest. LOL.[/QUOTE]It was Skogis!

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1452994]Big happenings- ok prolly just another night in BKK. LOL.

9pm-walked in R2- did a you-turn and went to R4 instead.

945 pm lights when on. I'd check time. They were quick. 10 minutes business as usual. I counted 37 patrons. Thats bad! Asked a ok looker what she charge for st- usual 2500 came out. I still think way too many are asking way too much. I f you not star 2500 no good.

On way to big be big altercation right outside Majestic suites, heard girl screaming and everything. Farang had hold of hardened look hooker. He wouldn't let her go-surprised girl didn't break arm or wrist trying to get away. Farang who didn't look 2 intelligent by the way. LOL. Kept telling onlookers to call the police who were a few feet away. No one did.

Farang showed an interested Thai guy a photo- who knows what happened.

Funny thing is majestic security just stood there and watched just like the rest. LOL.

Big B is a barfine machine their girls are doing good business. Passes my eyeball test. R1, 2, and 4 just don't seem to be keeping up.

Guys will pay for good lookers. Almost 1000 barfine for Big B while Rainbows still at 600.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1453143]It was Skogis![/QUOTE]WTF? Where do I come into this story. Have you been drinking Absinth.

[quote=kumbu; 1452661]below is a story of my youth. as you read it, it will seem utterly egocentric and self-congratulatory, but it does have a purpose. if you have the time and inclination to read it all the way through, you will see that this post is not just me talking about myself, but i'm making one general point about mongering as i see it, and one specific point about my upcoming trip to bkk. if this is too much for you, i humbly recommend that you skip this post, and / or add me to your ignore list.

[b]stranger in the waterfall[/b]

when i was 18 years old, the day after the last day of high school, four of my friends and i had a week long bash at a beach vacation spot in an exotic location. it was distant from home, with sparkling white beaches, gorgeous women of all varieties, wonderful cheap food, and excellent night life. we had a great time, as any graduating group of young men should. we rented a beat-up ford escort from some guy in an insurance office, and a small cottage on the beach, right next to a large hotel on one side, and undeveloped land on the other.

one morning i woke up early, at the crack of dawn, for some inexplicable reason. it was dead quiet, the sun not-yet rising in the east, and a gentle wind wafting in from the ocean. i don't know why, but i decided to go into the ocean. perhaps i was disoriented from the lack of sleep, or alcohol from the night before, or perhaps something was calling me. i got my trunks on and grabbed my rubber shoes and trotted off all by myself into the still-semi-dark morning. the tide was out. way out. and so coral was exposed and there were lots of great wade pools that i mucked about in for a while (remember, i was only a boy of 18yrs). i worked my way up the coast, looking at the rock formations and the fish and fauna of the ocean. it was a strange and eerie feeling, to be out alone, this early in the morning, having had just three hours of sleep the night before, and i really did not know why i was there.

i then heard water gushing, and i made my way towards the sound. the gushing was from a small man-made waterfall in a beach-side swimming pool at the hotel next to our cottage. there was a ten foot waterfall that fell right into the swimming pool, which was set just above the ocean, and very visible from where i was in the water. there was a deep natural lagoon between where i was (about 30 feet off shore) and where the pool was (up on a natural coral plateau). i plunged into the deep ocean water and swam across towards the waterfall, not knowing why exactly. as i approached, i saw an image that is forever burned into my memory. there was someone in that swimming pool above me, in fact standing right behind the waterfall. she stood there, wearing a bikini, and in the glimmering dark of the morning light, all i could make out was her gentle hour-glass figure. a little flutter in my solar plexus went off as i realized there was a reason i had woken up that morning and inexplicably walked into a dark ocean.

through the dark of the morning and past the falling water, i could not see anything but her outline, and that she was facing away from me, with the waterfall between the two of us. but this is when it happened: she slowly backed up, slowly entering the waterfall, ass first. her ass broke the crisp stream of flowing water, causing water to splash in all directions. it was falling in a perfectly symmetrical flow, hitting the top of her ass and flying like crazy in every direction. the splash at the top of her ass was shaped like a star, if you can imagine that, and it was bright and shining. so imagine how angelic the image was. it was the most brilliant sight my teen eyes had ever captured, even more than sherilyn fenn's pubes in two moon junction. and unlike fenn's holiest of holies, which i watched a thousand times on my vcr over and over again, i knew immediately that i would never see anything quite like this again. i opened my eyes wide so as to capture as much of that image as i could, and i consciously thought to myself: 'kumbu, remember this. '

she was bent forward at the waist, with the water still hitting her ass and flying in all directions. her back was arched and her legs were together and so water was gently flowing down them, giving them a shimmering, rapturous effect. i was treading water at the time, and i felt myself sink as blood gushed towards my still maturing teen-testicles. as i watched that water flow down her legs, i realized that her legs were simply immaculate. perfectly shaped and proportioned, and as best i could tell in the growing morning light, they were as toned as i had ever seen. that image, of two legs and an ass, with a star of flying water topping it all, is forever seared into my memory, and if i am to be honest, that became forever the archetype of the perfect female body for me. in fact, to this day, it is sometimes the image that i last see in my mind's eye as i fall asleep.

the moment lasted perhaps ten seconds, before she stepped forward, unaware of my peeping tom presence. she then came around the waterfall and started swimming around the pool, still unaware of my presence 15 feet away in the ocean. i thought about going up and, well, i don't know what. but i wisely decided that such a move would spoil the memory. so i quietly submerged myself, and gently swam 30 feet to stage-left and on to the coral reef again. i walked up the beach to our cottage and sat at the base of the steps contemplating what i had just seen.

my buddies awoke, and i never told them what i had just experienced. they would not have understood. thinking back, it was a pivotal moment in my life since it basically defined for me what sexual beauty in a woman is. the ass, with long, firm, shapely legs, bent over at the waist, shimmering in the morning light. that's an image i strive for in each and every sexual encounter. you know the three-way categorization of guys into breast-men, ass-men and leg-men, right? well, that night, i became a leg and ass man.

later that day i walked over to the hotel trying to catch another glimpse of the beauty, and there she was, sunbathing by the pool all by herself. i did not approach her. i just sat nearby sipping a cola, watching her every move. she was sublime. a perfectly proportioned goddess, sitting quietly in her sun hat and her bikini oblivious to the carnage she was causing within my developing sense of sexuality. my macho friends saw her and their tongues fell out. they started wolf calling and ran over to impress her with the sheer volume of their testosterone (i say this with fondness, these guys are still my best friends). pretty soon they were stuck all over her like cum in hair. they were loud and obnoxious like 18 year old hormone filled boys are, and she giggled and was well natured about it all.

turns out she was italian, and did not speak a word of english, and this made my friends' efforts more futile than ever. throughout the day she looked in my direction, never quite locking eye gaze, but we were both aware that we were aware of each other, if that makes sense. as the day progressed, she tired of the loud boys' antics, and late in the afternoon, as i sat on the other side of the pool, she looked my way. our eyes met, and she gave me the most communicative look i have ever had. i understood.

i left with my friends, returned to our cottage, had dinner, and my friends then went out looking for some trouble. i stayed behind. when they had left, i walked out into the dark towards the hotel next door, and there she was, sitting by the pool, near the now-hallowed waterfall, waiting for me.

i approached, she stood, we kissed immediately. we sat, and kissed some more. i remember the softness of her lips, the silkiness of her skin beneath my fingers, her honey-colored hair brushing against my arms as i embraced her, and a gentle scent of lemon. oh, and a brutal, raging hard-on. things got heavy, and at some point, she pulled back. she looked me in the eyes, she smiled, and kissed me softly, slowly, on the lips. she got up and walked away, and i never saw her again.

i never spoke a word to this girl, partly because she didn't speak english and i didn't speak italian, and partly because it was just so, so surreal. if i could do the whole thing over, i would not change a single detail. if i had tried to talk with her, or communicate with her, or have sex with her, or get her address, or whatever, the whole thing would have morphed into something far more complex, and ultimately, it would have lost its simplistic beauty.

[b]my general point[/b]

i did not know it, but that day i learned the virtues of mongering. that might seem like quite a leap for you, but let me explain. for me, and perhaps unlike some of you, mongering is not about cumming. don't get me wrong. that is invariably how it ends, but the real goal for me is not to ejaculate. i can ejaculate with the ones i love the most. my wife and myself. mongering is all about getting that simple connection between me and my partner. a naive, sexual attraction with no complications: no strings attached, sexual and ever so slightly emotional. if it gets any heavier, it is no longer mongering, and its complexity will obliterate any beauty that the experience might otherwise harbor. this is always a danger, and in honesty, i have sometimes slipped in that direction. on the other hand, if it gets any lighter, then it becomes a meaningless physical exertion, the likes of which i can have in front of my computer any time i like. so it is a balancing act: i want a connection, but with no strings attached. and this is exactly what my italian princess gave to me. a very real, poignant sense of intimacy and connection, with a hint of sexuality, and then, as the locals in the 808 say, pau.

i've gone to great lengths to write this up in this way because i wanted to make this point. and the reason to make the point is that i will be posting my reports soon, and if past experience is anything to go by, some of you are going to get mighty upset. one might even describe some previous reactions to my posts as downright bitchy. but you need to understand the context within which i operate, and that context is my life history and my own preferences.

mongers come in all different types. i am not the kind who wants to ejaculate into any warm vessel. i want a little bit of tenderness, and some warmth. and therefore the experiences i seek out will not be the same as what you might seek out. so when i post my reports, you may get infuriated with me, and you might think things like the following:

- why didn't he take the money shot right into her eye ball?

- why did he pay her the agreed upon amount, even though there was just one pop on a lt deal?

- why did he pick the frumpy solemn one and not the crazy-eyed whack job, who surely would have rocked his socks?

- so what if it was her period. why didn't he fuck her in the ass?

- why did he tip her. doesn't he know he is spoiling the market?

- etc.

the answer is simple: i am not you. you don't enjoy the same things i do. you don't have the same budget as i do. you don't have the same attitude towards women and humanity (for better or for worse) as i do. and you were not moved as a young man by a stranger in the waterfall. you each have your own life experiences that you, no doubt, are loyal to. and for that reason, i will never judge you or condemn you for what you do (unless it becomes abusive or illegal). i will, however, offer advice and constructive comments on your experiences. i hope you will extend to me the same courtesy.

so just relax, read my reports, enjoy them or not, and post your reactions. or not, it doesn't really matter. correct any errors in my posts, and fix any misperceptions you think i have. and then eagerly await my next post, to either rip or to roar, because it will be coming, whether you like it or not.

my specific point is in my next post.[/quote]nice read.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;1453229]Nice read.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that Kumbu's report is nice and I try not to police you in any way. But think about people reading all this you quoted just for this short comment "nice read". Remember some is using their small iphones, cellphones, tabs etc so snipping the quoted report makes this more "userfriendly". Just a friendly piece of advice (I have gotten some myself, hehe).

[QUOTE=Skogis;1453240]I agree with you that Kumbu's report is nice and I try not to police you in any way. But think about people reading all this you quoted just for this short comment "nice read". Remember some is using their small iphones, cellphones, tabs etc so snipping the quoted report makes this more "userfriendly". Just a friendly piece of advice (I have gotten some myself, hehe).[/QUOTE]Excellent post. And if the OP is a few pages back, give its reference number and date.

And if the post is that great you can always cut, paste and save it.

But don't repeat it in its entirety

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1452661]Mongers come in all different types. I am not the kind who wants to ejaculate into any warm vessel. I want a little bit of tenderness, and some warmth. And therefore the experiences I seek out will not be the same as what you might seek out. So when I post my reports, you may get infuriated with me, and you might think things like the following:[/QUOTE]Very well explained. In effect to each his own. Because someone else has a different approach or desire does not mean it is wrong. I hope Harold read and understood this post.

Regards,

BJ

[b]My Specific Point[/b]

My specific point about my upcoming 8 day trip, alluded to in my previous post, follows. If you have the time and inclination to read both posts all the way through, you will see that they are not just me talking about myself, but I'm making one general point about mongering (previous post) , and one specific point about my upcoming trip to BKK (this post). If this is too much for you, I humbly recommend that you skip these two posts.

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After decades of monger trips, I find that I need to do a little more to make things interesting. For the last few years (maybe 10 years or so?) , I've been setting small goals for myself on each trip. Some guys set goals about how many girls they can lay over the course of the trip, or how many times they can ejaculate in a single day (read the recent report by Archetype who ejaculates seven times in a day) , or how many girls they can do at the same time. While such quantity-driven goals are all legitimate and praiseworthy, they are not my goals.

I prefer goals that are somewhat subjective and elusive. I mean, if I wanted to ejaculate seven times in a day, I have a warm fuzzy washcloth in my sock drawer that will do the trick (no disrespect to Archetype. Your seven shots are worthy of a medal, or some aloe gel, or something). The goals I set vary from trip to trip (although they usually involve something to do with the ass and legs. See The Stranger in the Waterfall). For example, many years ago on a mongering trip to Berlin, I set myself the goal of attaining doggie-stye nirvana.

But how do you define doggie-style nirvana? We've all had sex doggie style, but when do you know if you have reached [u]nirvana[/u]? It's a bit like the government trying to define what pornography is. As the famous US Superme Court justice said about pornography, he may not be able to define pornography, but 'I know it when I see it. ' And that's exactly the case with my esoteric sexual goals: doggie-style nirvana is so subjective, but I will know when I reach it. And the vague nature of the goal is exactly what I enjoy about it. It allows me to have dozens of doggie-style encounters, and still not be satisfied, and therefore continue to have the goal ahead of me. But if I set my goal to: 'have sex with 3 girls at the same time', then as soon as I have a foursome, the goal is over and I need to find some other goal. What next? 4 girls at the same time?

So over the last few weeks I've been trying to figure out what my goal this time should be. I've done the doggie style thing, I've had plenty of anal-oriented goals (both in terms of sex as well as rimming) , found the perfect C-cups, sucked on a pair of inverted nipples (yup, did that in Pattaya a couple of years ago. A great goal, and an even better achievement). I've had goals about trying to maintain my stamina over the course of a month-long monger / work trip (that was a tough one) , and many others, so it is not easy coming up with new goals.

One day last week I was sitting at a restaurant in Santa Monica, and saw a woman walk by who had a figure much like that Italian princess those many years ago. And it struck me: that is going to be my goal. To enjoy those legs and ass that I admired that night, and worshipped ever since. I mean, to [u]really[/u] Enjoy those legs and ass, like an Aussie just back from Saudi Arabia enjoys his first beer, or an off-the-wagon vegan enjoys his first porterhouse. So here it is, my goal for this upcoming monger trip to BKK:

[i]Kumbu, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find the finest, most perfect set of legs and ass, lay them down on your bed (face down) , and to run your tongue from the achilles heel, up one calf and thigh, to the crease in the butt, and then laterally across the Great Divide, and back down the other side to the other heel. Maximal anal orbiting is encouraged, as well as hamstring and calf engorgement in both directions. [/i]

I'm sure sex and other wonderful stuff will surround this event, but this is what I will be aiming for. This is unlikely to excite most on this forum, but I'm sure you will forgive me my fetish. I post this because this will give context to my reports. I will sometimes make seemingly irrational decisions, and sometimes those irrational decisions will be motivated by this goal that I have set for myself.

This goal won't be easily attainable, since not all girls let you do this kind of thing. But I will give it my darndest, and I shall report every detail of my perhaps futile efforts. Wish me luck gents, because I board my flight in about an hour!

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1452513]Long, pedantic post of little purpose with links from a notoriously poorly run website, full of contention, bitterness, resentment and dubious stories. You do not read Thai and are not a laywer, so you can not understand what the true penalties are for not carrying a passport with you, certainly is not detention.

You may be suprised but they have computers to check on you legal entry in Thailand even if you loose your passport. Leave these things to those that know better that you.[/QUOTE]Right. The BiB doing random checks, on the street or in bars, are all linked up with the immigration computers and will get that info for you in a matter of seconds, be it 12 pm or 12 am. You will not spend the night in jail waiting for somebody to bother to accompaning you to your hotel to retrieve the passport; any policeman will be happy to accompany you there, instead of going home to his family or drinking beer with his buddies. The station chief himself will probably be honoured to do it himself.

The rest of us may be well advised to, if nothing else, at least carry with us copies of the first passport page and the page with the entry stamp.

Learn to CUT and PASTE.

TWO words and you copied in the whole (very good) report.

[QUOTE=Black Shirt;1453229]Nice read.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1453249][b]My Specific Point[/b]

My specific point about my upcoming 8 day trip, alluded to in my previous post, follows. If you have the time and inclination to read both posts all the way through, you will see that they are not just me talking about myself, but I'm making one general point about mongering (previous post) , and one specific point about my upcoming trip to BKK (this post). If this is too much for you, I humbly recommend that you skip these two posts.

After decades of monger trips, I find that I need to do a little more to make things interesting. For the last few years (maybe 10 years or so?) , I've been setting small goals for myself on each trip. Some guys set goals about how many girls they can lay over the course of the trip, or how many times they can ejaculate in a single day (read the recent report by Archetype who ejaculates seven times in a day) , or how many girls they can do at the same time. While such quantity-driven goals are all legitimate and praiseworthy, they are not my goals...[/QUOTE]How about something Thai related?

[QUOTE=Werqweq;1453262]The rest of us may be well advised to, if nothing else, at least carry with us copies of the first passport page and the page with the entry stamp.[/QUOTE]Having already lost a passport once in a bag I had with me shopping, I would not make that mistake again. It caused me a lot of hassle including early termination of a work visa for another country.

Sensible advice to only keep a copy of it with you. Far better to keep your passport in a safe place. Suppose you are going to the beach to swim. Would be shear madness to take a passport too. Another thing is that rain in Bangkok can be very heavy and you could get drenched.

[QUOTE=Jgm005; 1453291]Learn to CUT and PASTE.

TWO words and you copied in the whole (very good) report.[/QUOTE]Sorry, have to go back to school.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1453347]Sensible advice to only keep a copy of it with you. Far better to keep your passport in a safe place.[/QUOTE]Agreed. And make a digital copy of the first two pages and email it to yourself just in case all else fails.

SunLover

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1453347]Having already lost a passport once in a bag I had with me shopping, I would not make that mistake again. It caused me a lot of hassle including early termination of a work visa for another country.

Sensible advice to only keep a copy of it with you. Far better to keep your passport in a safe place. Suppose you are going to the beach to swim. Would be shear madness to take a passport too. Another thing is that rain in Bangkok can be very heavy and you could get drenched.[/QUOTE]There are many shops in Bangkok and Pattaya that will do this for you at a cost between 80-120, go to one of those Kodak shops that do Visa photos and xerox? Bring your Passport and they will reduce the passport front page to a size of the credit card along with your Visa stamp and place it on the other size if applicable and is laminated! Once this is done you can carry it in your wallet. When it comes to wallets I have two one when I'm here I have a mini size light weight leather that will carry Thai driver license and the laminated passport along with a extra 1, 000 or two folded and tuck away for emergency. Been stopped many many times here at night for drug inspection checkpoint never had a problem.

LBM

This is brilliant advice, I'm on my way out the door right after my next post, passport in hand, to get this done. I think Marcos is right to point out that there is no legal requirement to carry your passport. But this solution, at the very least, provides a sense of safety, even if the danger is all in our collective minds.

i imagined myself getting off the plane like john of gaunt, emotional and gushing, reciting the words to arguably the most memorable line from my high school literature classes. i imagined myself getting off the plane, breaking down in tears, and weeping:

this royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,

this earth of majesty, this seat of mars,

this other eden, demi-paradise,

this fortress built by nature for herself,

this blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this los.

i imagined myself then falling to the ground and kissing the airport floor, thanking buddha, jesus and lucifer for bringing me back to this sceptred isle, this blessed plot, to satisfy my engorged libidinal greed. i imagined lots of weeping, both ophthalmic as well as penile as i made my way through the airport. i imagined entering the humid night air in my favorite city in the world and being awash in nostalgia and carnal excitement. i imagined getting into my hotel, showering and heading out for the most primal of activities: a night hunt. i imagined working hard for something at that time of the night / morning, but finally finding a pretty little thing who provided the most excellent of releases. and then i imagined a few hours of satisfied sleep before awakening for work.

what happened could not have been farther from what i imagined.

my flight out of incheon was delayed by about an hour, and thus arrived a little late, not much, just 15 minutes. but the delay in seoul really, really wound me up beyond belief. i kept imagining missing this first night (when you are in the midst of a delay, you have no idea how long the delay will be) , which would be unimaginable. because i have to work hard these 8 days that i am here, every night counts, especially this first one. if i am up late tonight, when i get into work tomorrow, i have an excuse. a long trip across the pacific will do that to you. yes, so will fucking until 5am, but you see the plausible deniability there, right? so i needed to get a good, hard fuck in before work tomorrow, and the delay in flight was just killing me. sitting at that boarding gate in seoul i was just getting more and more worked up to the point i think i was frothing at the dick.

once we boarded and took off, the stress did not diminish. if anything, perhaps the rarified air magnified my distresses. it didn't help that the korean stewardess assigned to our area was the cutest of the bunch, with an ass that was so good that i would personally stab a baby seal to death over it. and as such, when we arrived in bkk, i was fucking frantic. i was demonic. i knew i had that look in my eyes. i was scaring children, heck, i was scaring full grown scandinavian men. the plane landed and i was one of those idiots who undoes his buckle before the plane comes to a full stop. i had my hand luggage ready to go before anyone had even gotten up, and i pushed grandmothers and children aside to get to the front of the cabin. when the door opened, i was out and running up the jetway. in my head i heard someone scream, 'get out of my way you fuckers! i have ass cheeks and legs to fondle! '

i (literally) ran through the corridors of suvarnabhumi, splitting families and scaring children. as i ran the seeming-miles to immigration, i heard myself saying things to myself. 'this royal (huff) throne of ki. (huff, huff). kings, this (gulp) sceptred isle, this (huff, puff) earth of pussies and asses (groan, puff) , this, oh fuck it: get out of my way! '

i rounded the corner to immigration to be met by a block of human beings. lines longer than i have ever seen. dude. ok, ok, don't panic kumbu, i can do this. i am an expert analyst, so let's do the math, do the analysis, and pick your line wisely. i took a breath, settled down as best i could, and cast my keen eye upon the throngs of people. i needed the best line, the fastest line, ok, here's what you do: pick the line with the fewest arab families. sorry to my arab brothers, but with multiple wives, each with multiple ill-behaved children, having to remove scarves for the face photo, and all that luggage (why all that luggage?) , one arab family is like a hair ball in my shower drain. it just slows everything down. next, pick the line with the fastest immigration officer. the one doing the loudest and fastest smack of that stamp onto passports, that's what you want. and finally, pick the line with the most single, japanese men (they zip through at top speed). no fuss, no mess, a curt bow and 'domo', and they are done. just like in the gogo bars.

i did the calculus on each line and found one that ticked all the boxes. i picked my line, and started getting my passport and everything in order. ok, here's my passport, and ok, here's my hotel name, and ok, here's my arrival card, and here's my luggage ticket. ok, got baht for the taxi ride in my left pocket, and condoms ready to go in the right pocket, ok, let's just get through this ffffucking line and we'll be off to the horses, ok, let's go, yup, almost there.

as always, i was in the slowest fucking line of the lot. for some reason. 2 minutes after i joined the line, the immigration officer switched and we got a new middle-aged female officer who was skunk-eyeing everyone. for no frickin' reason! she just took a few moments to eye-ball everyone in her field of vision, whether they were in her line or not. she also couldn't handle the face-photo technology, and it was just taking forever for her to process even the japanese males in front of me. a japanese guy ahead of me in the line turned his head at one point and i thought i saw frustration on his face too. i imagined what was going through his head, and the word 'bakkaro' kept coming up.

as i stood there, being passed to the left and right by arab families, i recognized people who had been on my flight. they were looking at me like i was some kind of sick puppy. a small kid said to his mother 'look mommy, there's the man who pushed me in the face' and the mother said 'yes, i know honey, don't look at him, just read your book. ' and shit, of all places, i now started to get a hard-on, perhaps in anticipation of the night ahead. but this was like having an erection in church. it's just bad timing.

i finally got to the immigration officer, and she gave me the sharp eye-ball treatment with a deep furrow in her brow. at first i thought it was because of fully-erect little kumbu bumping against the counter (could she hear that?) , but soon realized it was something else. i am a brownie, and i have a very ambiguous ethnic background. some think i am indian, others think i am arab, or persian, or italian, or spanish, or mexican. in fact, i am none and all of those. i am a global citizen in both my experience and my genetics. but she was pegging me for some easy-to-process nationality, and when i gave her my passport with the words united states of america stamped on them, a puzzled look came across her face. she then started with the clickety-clacking on her computer and as my record popped up, a little look of comprehension came across her face. she must have seen the number of visits i have made to the kingdom of legs, and now she knew what i was. mongerdom knows no national boundaries and needs no explanation. as if to confirm her suspicions, as i stood there watching her inspect my passport, i found myself eyeing the button of her blouse. mmm, i wonder what kind of tits she has. she may be middle aged and have the ass of a linebacker, but hey, it's been a while.

i finally got out and i did not even have time to register the claminess of the night air, i just ran to get a taxi. i was in and i gave the guy 200b for the tolls and said 'if you go quickly, you can keep the change. '

boom. we must have been doing 160kph on that highway. he had his foot flat against the floor of the car, driving with one hand on the wheel while he arranged the right change for the tolls with the other. as we got to the tolls, he did not even stop at the toll booth for the ticket. he just tossed the money at the befuddled masked worker in the booth and gunned the car into the night air. as we took the corner on the highway towards bang na and sukhumvit, he did not even slow down and i was (literally) thrown against the window. i think the taxi tipped onto its two side wheels, although given my horizontal orientation and fully erect penis (?) i can't be sure of that. we screeched into my hotel turn-around and i paid what was on the meter, and pulled out another 100b to give to the guy. driving like that deserves a reward because fuck knows he won't be alive too much longer to enjoy life.

i ran inside, checked in (the paper work was remarkably quick) , rushed upstairs, took a quick shower, grabbed my pre-packed first-night wardrobe and scampered down. i walk-ran through the lobby and through the doors, mumbling incoherently like chief inspector dreyfus, and broke into a world-class sprint into the bangkok night air, as excited as i have ever been. i barreled off into the night towards sukhumvit and nep like a horny silverback sensing the female in heat. that's what i'm talkin' about: this is mongering at its best.

my next post chronicles what this horny silverback managed to accomplish after that rather self-induced stressful opening scene. to preview, it was fffffffabulous.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1453542]My next post chronicles what this horny silverback managed to accomplish after that rather self-induced stressful opening scene. To preview, it was fffffffabulous.[/QUOTE]One trusts that once you get to the mongering, hopefully it will dominate your writings. Some of us are also busy with other things. LOL

AJust to confirm that the asking price for ST in Baccara (and, I'm guessing some other bars) seems to be 2500 as opposed to 2000 which was the case until at least last year July. I already had 3 girls from Baccara and they would ask 2500. Bargaining doesn't seem to be very much of an option as it never has (at least with girls that I have been taking there over the years). Or I'm just not very much of a negotiator? I'll give it a go tonight and possibly tomorrow and see if it could go below that. Can't blame them, however. Everything else seems to have gone up over the years but gogo prices seemed to have been somewhat stagnating since at least 2006.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1453638]One trusts that once you get to the mongering, hopefully it will dominate your writings. Some of us are also busy with other things. LOL[/QUOTE].

...Constantly finding time for one-line negative contributions to posts that are both informative and enjoyable.

May I remind such posters of the well known mantras. If you find a post of little interest......"ignore."

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1453646]AJust to confirm that the asking price for ST in Baccara (and, I'm guessing some other bars) seems to be 2500 as opposed to 2000 which was the case until at least last year July. I already had 3 girls from Baccara and they would ask 2500. Bargaining doesn't seem to be very much of an option as it never has (at least with girls that I have been taking there over the years). Or I'm just not very much of a negotiator? I'll give it a go tonight and possibly tomorrow and see if it could go below that. Can't blame them, however. Everything else seems to have gone up over the years but gogo prices seemed to have been somewhat stagnating since at least 2006.[/QUOTE]You asked this question two days ago and you got an answer so you're asking the same question again for what reason?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1452888&viewfull=1#post1452888[/url]

[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1453652]You asked this question two days ago and you got an answer so you're asking the same question again for what reason?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1452888&viewfull=1#post1452888[/url][/QUOTE]The answer he got was wrong. 2000 baht is hard to get from a hot Baccara girl.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1453347]Having already lost a passport once in a bag I had with me shopping, I would not make that mistake again. It caused me a lot of hassle including early termination of a work visa for another country.

Sensible advice to only keep a copy of it with you. Far better to keep your passport in a safe place. Suppose you are going to the beach to swim. Would be shear madness to take a passport too. Another thing is that rain in Bangkok can be very heavy and you could get drenched.[/QUOTE]I'd rather lose my passport than spend days in a Thai jail, so I carry my passport with me at all times.

Of course it could get stolen from your room if you leave it there when you go out. There are reports of thieves breaking into hotel safes.

Carrying it in a backpack or anything like that is a bad idea. I keep mine in a waterproof sealed sandwich bag inside a zipped pocket. I don't swim but I'm sure swimmers could do something similar. When flying I use an inside jacket pocket where I also keep my wallet, cash, CC's, TC's, & other valuables.

Most people in BKK step out of the heavy rain for a few minutes till it stops. For other types of rainfall there's this thing called an umbrella.

[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1453652]You asked this question two days ago and you got an answer so you're asking the same question again for what reason?

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1452888&viewfull=1#post1452888[/url][/QUOTE]

My last post was not a question but a share of experience in relation to ST prices in Baccarra.

Bargirls and Dairy Queen.

For awhile small Blizzard was 29 baht, recently they raised price to 30 baht, today it went back down to 29 baht.

Big lesson on market forces and pricing to be learned here. If only bargirls would learn this valuable lesson. LOL.

If you not getting 2500 short time go down! And I don't mean sexually. LOL

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1453542]I imagined myself getting off the plane like John of Gaunt, emotional and gushing, reciting the words to arguably the most memorable line from my high school literature classes. I imagined myself getting off the plane, breaking down in tears, and weeping:.

I ran inside, checked in (the paper work was remarkably quick) , rushed upstairs, took a quick shower, grabbed my pre-packed first-night wardrobe and scampered down. I walk-ran through the lobby and through the doors, mumbling incoherently like Chief Inspector Dreyfus, and broke into a world-class sprint into the Bangkok night air, as excited as I have ever been. I barreled off into the night towards Sukhumvit and NEP like a horny silverback sensing the female in heat. That's what I'm talkin' about: this is mongering at its best.

My next post chronicles what this horny silverback managed to accomplish after that rather self-induced stressful opening scene. To preview, it was fffffffabulous.[/QUOTE]Hilarious. Are you sure you are not a published author. You do have great writing skills and style. As regards standing in line, Murphy's law rules. No matter which line you choose it will be the slowest.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1453669]I'd rather lose my passport than spend days in a Thai jail, so I carry my passport with me at all times.[/QUOTE]Dude what the fuck are you talking about? As many times that me and my friends have been stopped by the police, we have never been asked to produce a passport. Drivers license and insurance when driving, yes. And walking? Never been asked a damn thing by cops when walking. I can't believe you even travel, as paranoid as you are about every damn thing.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453790]Dude what the fuck are you talking about? As many times that me and my friends have been stopped by the police, we have never been asked to produce a passport. Drivers license and insurance when driving, yes. And walking? Never been asked a damn thing by cops when walking. I can't believe you even travel, as paranoid as you are about every damn thing.[/QUOTE]Stopped by the police in any SE Asia country. It is often a plethora of urban myths which contain false information of police stoppings.

Maybe the newbies to travel look at cops and act scared. And maybe occasionally get stopped. But the Thai police are just like police in the UK. Do as little as possible.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1453669]I'd rather lose my passport than spend days in a Thai jail, so I carry my passport with me at all times.[/QUOTE]No one carries their passport; at worst if you super paranoid, make a photocopy.

In fact, common sense for regular travelers are to 1) register their passport with department of state [for yanks], and 2) scan a copy and store up in the cloud. But these precautions are only to help in case you do lose it and need to get new one. No one on the streets ever bother you!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453790]Dude what the fuck are you talking about? As many times that me and my friends have been stopped by the police, we have never been asked to produce a passport. Drivers license and insurance when driving, yes. And walking? Never been asked a damn thing by cops when walking. I can't believe you even travel, as paranoid as you are about every damn thing.[/QUOTE]If PP travels, which I actually doubt he does (rather stay inroom in moms basement and google various destinations) , he must have a hell preparing for all his safety precautions. The only time I have been stopped is driving motorbike without helmet in phuket. Then I showed a Bankcard with my photo and the officer send me on his way and asked me to put on my helmet. Did not even carry my regular drivinglicense from back home. If PP does what he says and actually travels, whatl kind of joy is there to be had, going around beeing scared all the time. From travelling to most parts of the world, and much worse parts than our usual mongerdestinations I might add, I have learned that a policeofficer or an immigrantofficer will not stop my white ass bcs he would believe I would get the hell out of there as fast as possible. Which is true for the most parts. No disrespect ment to people not carrying white asses. Most governmental officials out there (police or others) are not into arresting people for no reason. In most cases if asked you can simply get away with some sort of other I'd, go back to hotel to pick up passport or pay them off (we are dealing with corrupted countries for the most part and in some shabby countries I would rather pay my way out than actually carry my own passport). Just as an follow up to PP's paranoid worldimmage.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1453798]No one carries their passport; at worst if you super paranoid, make a photocopy.

In fact, common sense for regular travelers are to 1) register their passport with department of state [for yanks], and 2) scan a copy and store up in the cloud. But these precautions are only to help in case you do lose it and need to get new one. No one on the streets ever bother you![/QUOTE]I would hasten to add that you should carry a drivers license just in case the police want some form of official ID. I've seen police stop numerous farang motorcyclist in Pattaya and not once did they have to produce a passport. If it were a hard rule then wouldn't it be a lucrative revenue stream for the police? PP appears to be overreacting.

I also carry a copy of my travel insurance certificate in case I get into an accident so that my incapicitated ass doesn't get medevacted to a govnt hospital.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1453798]No one carries their passport; at worst if you super paranoid, make a photocopy.

In fact, common sense for regular travelers are to 1) register their passport with department of state [for yanks], and 2) scan a copy and store up in the cloud. But these precautions are only to help in case you do lose it and need to get new one. No one on the streets ever bother you![/QUOTE]I have no idea what Thai law says, but in the USA it's required. If you're here on a visa, or even on Permanent Resident status, you must have your visa / green card, and I'd, on you at all times. Is it enforced? Rarely. Might they choose to make an example of you at some point? Possibly.

I tend to carry my passport with me. Yes, it's a bit paranoid, but it's not completely without reason.

For a long time I kept just a copy of my passport front page in my pocket when going out, and my passport in the hotel safe. Then I got lazy and no longer carried the copy. A few years ago I was in Myanmar. I wanted to go to Pathein, and my lovely and gracious companion knew loads of people and arranged a taxi. Well, that morning we left at the crack of dawn. At the last minute I decided to go back and get my passport. Later that day, while hauling ass through the countryside, we came upon a military checkpoint. We were stopped and the soldiers demanded everybody's I'd. OMG was I glad I had my passport on me. After what seemed to be an eternity they finally returned my passport and everybody's I'd and we were allowed to proceed.

So, I got in the habit of carrying my passport. I realize that Thailand is not Myanmar and there is probably absolutely no reason to do so. But, once burned twice shy.

Sorry gents, for the delay in posting this. I'm finding it hard to remove my penis from Thai orifices, and these long reports don't write themselves. But nonetheless, here for your vicarious pleasure, may I present part 1 of my first night out.

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[b]Initial Thoughts and Claims[/b]

Bangkok feels like a house-remix of a Depeche Mode song. The rhythm is off, it has a slightly odd vibe to it, but it is decidedly invigorating, with a very slick, modern, groovy feel to it. It's not the Bangkok (Depeche Mode) you remember, but it has an eerie familiarity.

An oft repeated mantra on these pages is that BKK, Pattaya and LOS in general are not what they used to be. How many times have you read old-timers and not-so-old timers say something to this effect? Someone recently (I forget who, and couldn't be assed to search for it, maybe sometime in June of this year) said something to the effect that BKK is not what it was even three years ago. Now that's curious because it has been almost exactly three years since my last visit, and so I am as close to the best experiment one could do on this (we all know that is not really true: for that you would need controls of people having visited at various other periods of time, and large Ns so as to wash out the effect of individual variation, but still, amongst friends, I'm sure you will forgive my lack of experimental rigor).

So one of my jobs here is to evaluate the veracity of the following two claims.

Claim 1: BKK has changed in the last three years,

Claim 2: BKK has demonstrably [b]deteriorated[/b] In terms of quality of monger interests (beauty / numbers of ladies, quality of service, price, and other intangibles).

I think Claim 1 is almost certainly true: very few places on Earth fail to change over three years, but Claim 2 is the real key. It seems like people are grumpy about the girls these days, they're just not like they used to be. Tsk-tsk-tsk. The girls are fatter, older, more shark-like, charge a lot more and provide far less GFE. Or so the mantra goes. So I'll try to compare as best I can to my previous experiences and I'll call it as I see it.

[b]Soi 11[/b]

My first impressions are that Soi 11 has really developed in the last three years. Last time I was here, the Aloft hotel (where I am staying; will post a monger's review in the BKK Hotels thread soon) was nothing more than an annoyance of construction and dust as I walked down towards Sukhumvit. It is now a gleaming, shining phallic monument to what BKK offers the monger. There are also a lot more of those volkswagon street bars where they line up half-empty vodka bottles, light them up with Christmas lights, crank up some god-awful music and await the unwashed masses to descend and partake. This has lead to Soi 11, at least after 11pm or so, becoming an unwalkable paininthecunt soi to walk down. I actually wish they would get rid of these stupid street bars. They serve no purpose other than to enliquor (made that word up) people too lazy to go indoors. Al Fresco boozing? More like a walking hazard.

Most of these traps are frequented by white dudes and their white girl friends (and young Arabs, actually). I always wondered about that. Why would you bring your girl friend to BKK? It's much like the proverbial bringing sand to the beach. And I always wondered what it would be like to be a hot blonde woman from some European country, to arrive in Thailand and find all the men completely uninterested in you. It's kind of fun to watch the confusion on their faces. Please don't comment about this: I don't really want to know why people bring their girlfriends to BKK, I'm sure there are plenty of good and utterly boring reasons.

[b]FLs on Sukhumvit Road[/b]

I had forgotten what a ball-grind it is to walk down Sukhumvit between soi 11 and soi 3. The vendors have apparently multiplied, but their mating partners appear to be exclusively of subcontinent origin, because the majority of street vendors in that little strip are now Indians, whereas three years ago they were in the minority. But goddam, why won't these people just get out of the fucking way? People of all ethnicities from all over the world, they just stand there and gawk at tube socks on sale next to the fake-ebony cock-and-balls. One is not available back home, and the other seems like a waste of human ingenuity (I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which). Ordinarily I would just muscle myself through the crowd, but you can't do that in BKK, unless you wish to create the most unholy cocktail of human sweat spread all over your own body.

So I navigated down Sukhumvit, noticing that the Starbucks on soi 5 has been transformed into a McDonald's, although the Starbucks has moved down a few stores. Also, on a Th night at around midnight, there were plenty of FLs and LBs. I mean, loads and loads of them, just waiting for someone to come and swoop them off their sore, swollen feet. As you walked the gauntlet of SWs, I got a real modern urban feel. I mean, you walked through various little ghettos: first it was the sultry LB section, then the African ladies section, then the pre-menopausal women, then the creeky-voice LBs, then more African ladies, etc. My guess is that the multiple ghettos of African ladies has to do with where they come from: some Nigerians, some Kenyans, maybe a South African section? As I walked through the Kenyan section, one lady grabbed my hand and would not let go. Apparently she digged my measly frame and slightly feminine gait. I had to yank three or four times to prise my scrawny arm from her meaty grasp. Dang, she had some man-hands, the kind that could throttle little Kumbu in an instant. Not a turn-on.

[b]Nana Entertainment Plaza[/b]

[u]Mandarin[/u]

It was late, and time was cranking, so I decided tonight was not to be a major reconnaissance night. I'll do that tomorrow. I needed to pick me up a gogo gal and head on back up Soi 11 to pound some flesh for a while. So I made my way to Mandarin, and was quickly shepherded up the stairs by Lek: a not-so-lek lady with wide hips, flat breasts and a face that you would not notice in a crowd. She giggled me up the stairs, bouncing and skittling all the way up, downright giddy to have captured this innocent lamb. She tried to place me next to the stage, but I demurred and expertly waved my way to a small table in the back. She seemed impressed: this lamb-to-the-slaughter brought some armor. She wriggled her sly self into my arms and started pressing the little kumbu flesh almost immediately. As they say in Fargo, aw jeez.

She worked her hands over me while my beer made its slow path around the joint. Little kumbu was responding, but that was less because of her attraction and allure than to little Kumbu's state of deprivation and desperation. Give a starving man a shit burger and he shall feast. But credit to Lek, she waited a full 30 seconds after my first sip of beer before asking for a drink for herself. My initial instinct usually is 'really? ', but she had done *something* for it, and truth be told my hand had somehow made its way down to her ass and was happily ensconced in misshapen, bony ass (as it was). So she got a tequila, and mama san brought it over, and of course Lek asks if I will buy mama san a drink. I looked mama san right in the eye, and said, 'Mama san does not need a drink, she needs lots of boom boom. ' They laughed heartily and mightily: "BbbBBBbbbbBBahahahAHAHAHAHAHAH, but seriously, how about that drink?"

Check Bin krap.

[u]Rainbow 4[/u]

Trotted over to Rainbow 4 for the regular dose of blurry neoned beauty, and it did not disappoint. The stage was full of gorgeous ladies of all different shapes and sizes. This place is just so good to look at, but in all my years I have BFed here only once (and I have to say she was a fabulous experience, I repeated with her outside of her working hours several times). I don't know what it is, I just don't get the vibe here, and I just don't know why. There must be some Feng Shui explanation, but beats me. Apologies Harold, for the blasphemy, but I am not a man of the faith.

I spied four girls who would be fine worthy, but while the lower head was banging on the door screaming to be let in, there was a little voice in my (upper) head telling me not to open the door. But the upper head was just not making sense: these girls are there waiting for me to take them back and baste them in sugary Kumbu, and god knows that's all that was on my mind at that point. Why would this not be a good idea? Well, whatever it was, my Monger Sense was telling me no go.

There were the regular groups of men in there. The white fun guys laughing at the bar unaware of the ladies (what is there to talk and laugh about for so long while naked women walk but inches from your noses?) , the lone wolf Japanese guys who walk in, sit and look for a while, then leave, and the macho brown guys. I have so often seen groups of these macho guys, perhaps Arab, perhaps Iranian, perhaps Indian (of some variety) who go over the top with expensive liquor, and blinged-out 7-inch phablets, wearing muscle shirts and showing body language that says 'FUCK yeah. That's what I'm talkin's about, boy. ' I don't get it. Unfortunately, one group of particularly masculine brownies came and sat next to me, and suddenly I blended into them (not due to my masculinity, hah, but due to my complexion being, well, brown). And I have to say, I did not appreciate being grouped with them, so I fucked the hell out of there.

I walked out and NEP was winding down. It was almost 2am. Shit. 2am, having had less than 2 hours of sleep in the last 48 hours, I was running on fumes at this point. I needed to get my dick smothered in warm Thai sauce, and playing nice with gogo girls was not getting it done. Ok, FL time.

[b]Back up Suk, and the Trannies[/b]

I walked up Suk towards soi 11, with the plan being to head towards Climax, and if anything interesting turned up before that, then she would get my baht. I got hit on by perhaps half a dozen LBs before I even reached soi 11. Some of them grabbed my arm, some called me mistuuuuuuh, and one of them said 'salam alekum sir. ' Interesting. My brown complexion must have meant muslim to her, but even more interesting is that this is a tactic that has obviously worked in the past: appealing to a muslim man's islamic identity (by greeting with the islamic salutation) has lead to that muslim paying for trannie sex. I love it: no matter how religious or pious or holier-than-thou you might be, the need to bust your nut is the great equalizer.

[b]Climax. The Hunt[/b]

So I ended up in Climax, entering at around 2:10am, and it was packed. I walked in and as I pushed my way through the crowd I could hear the girls whisper to each other. I couldn't hear the words, and even if I could I don't understand enough Thai to know what they were saying. But it sounded very much like 'oh, there's a new one. What do you think of him? Yeah, I'the fuck him. '

I walked around, stood in various areas, and just scoped the quality of the girls. And actually, I was showcasing my own talent. I mean, it's important to see, but it is equally important to be seen. The girls need to see you, discuss you with their friends and receive approval from them all before anything is going to happen. There were some seriously hot ladies on display tonight, along with the majority of meh, and the 20% of shudder-inducers. I noticed a gorgeous girl wearing a skin tight red dress. She had boobs sticking out, perhaps with a push up bra, but even then, they were substantial. And she had a very shapely butt. Also, she was tall and elegant, and I liked that a lot. But really, I am a sucker for red, skin-tight one-piece dresses. So I started pushing my way through the crowd to get to her, and as I approached her I realized she is as tall as me. I'm 5'10".

Abort! Abort! Abort!

So I walked right past her, and she noticed me, and the rest of the night she was making eyes with me. I don't actually know if she was a LB. I couldn't tell, despite really looking for all the tells: adam's apple, hand size, etc. But I figured there are plenty of fish in the sea. If I'm going to take a risk, tonight is not the night.

I finally made my way to the back of the room and stood there for about 20 minutes watching girls walk in and out of the rest room. That's a good place to be because you get a pretty good view of them such that you can figure out their physique. If you see them up close, you can't really tell what the size of their ass is, or the quality of their legs, or the hips-to-waist ratio, etc.

Now my mission, if you recall, is to seek out the perfect legs and ass. While I stood sentinel over the restrooms, I watched each girl and the shape of her ass and legs. Girls with unrevealing leggings or long dresses were immediately relegated to the bench. All other girls, the first-teamers, were noticed, and I watched as best I could to see where they walked back to in the crowd so I could, if I chose to, go hunt them down.

As I did this, I noticed two sets of tables off at 2 o'clock, inhabited by two girls each. On the closer table there were two girls, one thick and one skinny, both eyeing me. I liked the skinny one (she was wearing tight pants revealing shapely legs, and her midriff was exposed. Mmm, yummy). But the thick one was more interested in me. She was wearing pants, suggesting her legs and / or ass were not her top attribute. On table #2, there was, again, a thick girl and a skinny girl. On this table, I liked the thick girl, who had [b][u]spectacular[/b][/u] Legs. I mean, holy cow, they were the best legs I'd seen all night, and that included trolling through NEP. So I was definitely interested in thick girl on table #2. But her skinny friend seemed to have her eye on me. She was cute, very cute, with a bouncy set of hair, some very appealing eyes, and gorgeous cheek bones. The kind you find in Calvin Klein ads. I could see a flat chest from clear across the room, so there was no hiding that. She was sitting, so I couldn't evaluate her legs or ass, and that concerned me.

How exactly do you tell if someone is scoping you out? Well, my brother once told me that if catch a girl looking at you, it means she's interested. That's it. At the time, I thought he was full of shit, but after years of experience, I think I agree with him. The idea is this: a woman's attention is being demanded from all corners of her experience. She has friends over here, a drink over there, people walking all around, etc. And when we look at people, we tend to look at them very superficially at first, just to suss them out. If they meet our overall requirements, then we look more carefully. And only then, once you pass that second test, do you look closely enough such that eye contact can be made. So eye contact is the key.

Of course, you could inadvertently make eye contact with someone, just as you can the room, so my general rule of thumb is that if a girl makes eye contact me me twice, the game is on. I can have her if I want. These girls had now made upwards of half a dozen contacts, so I was definitely in at this point.

Over the next ten minutes, the skinny girl on table #1 became more and more disinterested in me, and likewise the interest coming from thick girl on table #2 (with the killer legs) waned. Oh crap. Meanwhile, the other members of each pair were growing more and more fond of glancing in my direction. Ok Kumbu, time to focus. You need to make a decision. Do you go in for one of the more appealing girls, who seem less interested in you? Or do you go where the smart money is and aim for one of the (still cute) girls you don't prefer? I looked at each girl: the thick girl on table #1 and the thin girl on table #2. Both were wearing long pants, grrrr. The skinny girl had a prettier face, but I kinda like a little meat on my ladies, so it was a toss up.

[b]We have Contact[/b]

I decided to take one last circle of the room before making my decision, and walked towards the two tables (my intention was to walk past them and around the room) , but as I passed table 2, the thick girl with the superb legs grabs my elbow (little kumbu convulses a little) and says 'hello, where you go? ' I turn around and look her right in the face, and before I could say anything she says 'my friend (points to skinny girl) really likes you. ' Stand down little Kumbu.

So that was the deal. The skinny girl liked me, and as such, leggy girl had to let her have me. Oh well. So I looked at skinny girl, and close up she was even prettier than from afar, so I was encouraged. She stood up and my eyes snapped down to check out her legs (embarrassing really) , but I could not tell what they were like. However, what I saw certainly pleased me: a nice, large, round ass on this skinny little breastless girl. Wow, we have some serious potential here.

So she started dancing a little, as if to lighten the mood. We chit chatted a little, and as we did that I put my arm around her and felt a very, very tight little body. She had no body fat I could find, at least above the waist, which pleased me. I pegged her age at 26 years, which for me is the onset of the sweet spot (I typically look for girls between 26 and 30 years in age).

But meanwhile her Leggy superstar friend and I were hitting it off like old drinking buddies. I mean, she had personality and was very easy to talk to, while the girl I had been preordained to take this night was a little reserved and awkward. I think it was because the leggy friend had laid it out there so obviously. The first thing she said was that her friend likes me, which is the most plain way of saying 'you are granted permission to fuck her tonight. '

So I was obviously hitting it off with the sister with the legs (and in truth, it was only because I wanted those legs) , and skinny girl could plainly see this. So out of no where, skinny girl leans over and says (and I shit you not) , 'maybe tonight you go with me and my friend together. We take care of you. '

Now, to most men's ears, this would be music, and I mean the hills are alive kind of music. A threesome with two beautiful ladies: one with legs to die for, and the other with beauty written all over her. But I have to tell you, I was kind of discouraged. What discouraged me was that so quickly into the conversation, these girls were sealing the deal in the most explicit of manners. The semi-pro girls are far, far less direct than this, and so this suggested to me that I was working with two hardened pros. That's ok, since the sex is likely to be better, but the price is likely to be steeper, and I will be worked from all angles, like a piece of silly putty.

I also wondered if it would be the right sexual experience for me at this point. My gun had a 30-shot clip mounted and loaded, safety off, and my twitchy finger was ready to pull. I think doubling up tonight would end up being a fabulous 30 second experience, and that is not what I wanted. Plus I had not changed money yet, and I only had 5000B left, and I suspected these girls would want more than a combined 5000B for their exertions.

So I declined. I said something about how I don't have the power for two beautiful ladies like you, polite laughter all around, may pen rai.

And sure enough, moments later the skinny girl leans over and says into my ear that her rate is 4000B for LT. That was the first clue. I vomited inside my mouth just a little bit, but managed to disguise it well. However, she said, that she did not want LT tonight because she had things to do tomorrow morning. So only ST tonight, daay may? I said to her that I was disappointed. I wasn't. I wanted to stick my face into her butt cheeks, then my fingers and then my dick, and then I wanted her gone so I could get some shut eye. My math was a little weak at that point, but I assume ST for her meant 2000. I told her that I would accept ST only if she makes up for the loss of LT in some way. She asked how, and I said that she should take very good care of me. She smiled and whispered something which I could not make out, but it was obviously something like 'you goin' git some lovin' tonight. '

So I am looking at a 2000 ST rate, which three years ago would definitely have been 1500B. Is that the answer to Claim 2, above? Well, no, not yet. We need a sample size of more than 1, so let's go through the week and see how things play out. This could be an aberration. I should have negotiated, but first night syndrome, and I was eager to seal the deal. Meanwhile, the friend's legs over there keep calling to me, so I leaned over to the friend and reminded her of the threesome suggestion, and said to her 'I can't take both of you tonight, but I can take her tonight and you tomorrow. ' And she smiled and said 'daay ka' Don't you just love the Thai feminine sentence ender ka? Ok, legs on the menu for tomorrow. So I specify that I will meet her at Climax at a certain time, and she agrees.

So I check bin, and me and skinny girl walk out together. On the way out, she stops by two girls in various spots and chats briefly. Ooof, I don't like how professional this girl is, it just means I am likely to be hustled tonight.

Part 2 (coming soon) describes the bedroom scene. Given what you just read, the bedroom scene was better than I expected.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453790]Dude what the fuck are you talking about? As many times that me and my friends have been stopped by the police, we have never been asked to produce a passport. Drivers license and insurance when driving, yes.[/QUOTE]Same here. I always show my I'd (foreign) card with Picture and usually they let me go. I got asked for my passport once in 10 years and showed them a color copy, telling them that the original is at home. They said ok and let me go. As long as you are able to produce your original passport within reasonable time (1 or 2 hours) I think they will be fine.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1453831]I would hasten to add that you should carry a drivers license just in case the police want some form of official ID.[/QUOTE]I had to renew my passport earlier this year so forked over another $25 for passport card. Useless for travel, except Canada / Mexico via land [but not air], and Caribbeans via sea. I carry this when I travel as additional ID, and in lieu of a photocopy of passport. I didn't suggest this earlier as it's a royal pain in the ass to get separately. You need to send your original passport with applicaion and $$$, and wait 4-6 wks.

When I monger, usually just carry my iPhone, one credit card, my passport card and cash [and sometimes spare condoms].
:D

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1453881][u]Rainbow 4[/u]

Trotted over to Rainbow 4 for the regular dose of blurry neoned beauty, and it did not disappoint. The stage was full of gorgeous ladies of all different shapes and sizes. This place is just so good to look at, but in all my years I have BFed here only once (and I have to say she was a fabulous experience, I repeated with her outside of her working hours several times). I don't know what it is, I just don't get the vibe here, and I just don't know why. There must be some Feng Shui explanation, but beats me. Apologies Harold, for the blasphemy, but I am not a man of the faith.

I spied four girls who would be fine worthy, but while the lower head was banging on the door screaming to be let in, there was a little voice in my (upper) head telling me not to open the door. But the upper head was just not making sense: these girls are there waiting for me to take them back and baste them in sugary Kumbu, and god knows that's all that was on my mind at that point. Why would this not be a good idea? Well, whatever it was, my Monger Sense was telling me no go...[/QUOTE]I'm only patronize R4 during prime-time hours. 9-11pm. Thats the context for this post.

I'm also into light skin pretty girls. It seems K is brown boy who go for non-light skin.

If Kumbus reporting of Iranian, Arab, and Indians is true. It really is the end of R4 as a Ippun bar.

I've never seen a whole lot of middle eastern types, a few Indians maybe here or there as part of a multi ethnic group.

I do see a whole lot of whites, macho Italians, old, all kinds.

If past midnight and K is seeing stages full of gorgeous beauties. I'm a monkeys uncle. Of course this is where the preference in ladies shows up. If you into farang style girls it could be true. If you are into Thai and Ippun type girls-it can't be true. LOL.

See what I mean a bar can't cater to both customers. The girls will not have it. The light skin will move on if customer mixx not to their liking. Either cater to the light skin girls or don't. Notice how the biggest successes are the Ipun oriented places.

Eye contact plus smiles plus mouthing a few words while on stage plus when they approach you and they don't back away when you touch them is a good indicator of girl liking you. LOL.

This applies to 2 girls in Bacaeacvacaraa but unfortunatley due to high cost I'm not interested in barfining them. One I would like to. The other not so much. Both very friendly types.

Ps the Indian, Turks, Italians, Arabs, do show up at Bacara- I have seen that.

I live up here in Issan land. Nongbulamphu to be specific. I have been stopped twice in the past three days at 'checkpoints' (One other time waved through). I turned on my polite face. Gave the officer my USA Georgia drivers license. Answered a few questions. Such as do I drive in Australia or New Zealand (since I had lived in both countries before I said yes). And was waved on with a smile. Yes, I know, I am sure they had no clue on the USA license but it has always worked. So far. No passport request. Did not have it on me anyways. This ain't OZ up here for sure.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1453831]I would hasten to add that you should carry a drivers license just in case the police want some form of official I'd. I've seen police stop numerous farang motorcyclist in Pattaya and not once did they have to produce a passport. If it were a hard rule then wouldn't it be a lucrative revenue stream for the police? PP appears to be overreacting.

I also carry a copy of my travel insurance certificate in case I get into an accident so that my incapicitated ass doesn't get medevacted to a govnt hospital.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453790]Dude what the fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE]RTF. My post, #24124, July 30, this thread. Maybe this link will work:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1452409&viewfull=1#post1452409[/url]

As detailed there you can go to a Thai jail if you don't carry your passport, the original. Some people have.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1453790]As many times that me and my friends have been stopped by the police, we have never been asked to produce a passport. Drivers license and insurance when driving, yes. And walking? Never been asked a damn thing by cops when walking. I can't believe you even travel, as paranoid as you are about every damn thing.[/QUOTE]Dumb argument. In many hundreds of days in BKK I've never had any interactions with LE. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen.

Just because you've never been in a car accident, does that mean it could never happen to you? Or that you'll be fine not wearing a seat belt? Or that I'm paranoid to recommend reasonable sound advice, namely that you wear your seat belt or carry your passport when you go out? No. No. No.

part 2, this one's about the naughty bits. syzygies, i take your impatience as praise, and i assume we're good now.

[b]the gentle walk back[/b]

as we walk out, she slowly hooks her hand into the crook of my arm as we walk and starts yattering. it was actually kind of endearing, the way she warmed up to me so quickly. she started telling me about why she did not want lt today (i guess this pisses people off?). turns out her mama and papa arrived from surin that very evening at 9pm, and she had picked them up from the bus station, and needed to get back so that she could sleep for a while and then spend quality time with her parents. yeah, whatever. she also explained that's why she was dressed so conservatively. usually she wears sexy clothing, but today it was jeans and a plain shirt. honestly, i *far* prefer the dressed down look than an over-the-top hooker outfit. but this new information suggested that maybe, just maybe, her legs will be worth some attention tonight.

[b]the hustle[/b]

so we walk up soi 11 into aloft hotel. the walk of shame is noticeable here, but at that time, and with our profile, literally nobody even looked up at us. so we breezed through the lobby, chatting away, and up into the room. we walked in and she plunked herself down and we chatted for a good 20 minutes. she showed me the food her parents brought for her from surin which she had to carry with her all night. sausages. yeah, her parents brought her sausages from surin. thanks mom, thanks dad.

but then the second clue arrived. she told me about how she has to send money to her parents every month. uh-oh, i was being worked. 20, 000b per month is what she sends, she has to support five people, and it is a lot of responsibility. as she lectured to me, i let my mind wander because i've heard this old story so many times, it just bores me to sleep. as i descended utter distraction, my eye looked at her right hand clutching an iphone 4s and vaguely wondered how mama and papa had to deprive themselves so she could get that phone. i felt my under-bite come out a little, and my brow lower a little, and in my head i started making slingblade-style agreement sounds, mmmmm-hm. i want me some of dem french fried pataters. mmmm-hm. i reckon i'm going to have to get used to looking at pretty people. mmm-hm.

and after a few minutes, there was silence from her, and i was shaken out of my fantasy slingblade, and i thought 'oh, are you done? '

she sensed my distraction, and said to me 'no shower today, ok ka? ' to which i said 'mmmmm-hm'. she did not get it (why would she?) , and so i said something a little more polite than 'fuck no', and i jumped into the shower. this was clue #3. so i showered as she watched, and then she peed, and then she actually showered, so i don't know what that was about. i suspect she wanted to yank little kumbu quickly and hit the road.

[b]preliminaries[/b]

so anyway, she showered and came out all nice and clean, and we chatted a little. i make it sound like it was a terrible beginning here, but actually we had some really good rapport going. she was pretty as ever even in regular light, although her skin was far paler than i thought. she told me that she thought i was indian, and i said no, american. she said that i don't look like them, and i said i [b]am[/b] them. she said i looked like a mix of indian and chinese, and i said i am neither of those, but i hear that a lot. as we had this conversation, we were slowly working our way past the washing up phase and into the getting nekkid phase.

she finally dropped all her clothes and holy muther fucker, her ass was a sight for sore eyes. my eyeballs popped, and little kumbu boinged to attention almost instantly, nearly popping a blood vessel or two along the way. i muttered something about this demi paradise, but it petered off into drivel very quickly. she laid down on her back under the sheets and i lay down next to her on my side, facing her, and we chatted a little more in the dimmed light. it was kind of intimate and warm, and despite her professional demeanor, she was actually a sweet girl.

turns out she is 30 years old, although even knowing that, she did not look a day over 26, her face was young, and her body was smoking hot. i mean, she was tight as a button in all places. her breasts were indeed small, not even a palmful of flesh was to be had. her back and waist were tight as you can imagine, like silk sheets stretched across the bed of a five star hotel. her hips were wide and delicious, and that's all i could see at that point. her pussy was slightly trimmed, and she smelled oh so fucking scrumptious.

[b]may i kiss you? not your lips, but, umm[/b].

i don't typically do dfk, so i tried to avoid it here too. she was not disturbed by this in the slightest. instead, i started kissing her neck and shoulders, and my plan was to work my way down to her pussy. but instead, a few moments after i started in her neck, she gently turned over and offered me the back of her neck. ok, i guess she prefers it there. so i kissed and whispered and licked the tender areas around behind her ears and the nape of her neck. she then turned over entirely and offered me the entirety of her back.

there's something wildly delightful about a woman who voluntarily offers you her back, isn't there? i mean, no messing about, from the outset this says 'here, i know this is what you want, you go for it boy. ' i resisted the temptation to go right down into the glutes, even though little kumbu's shrill screams could be heard even down on the soi below. i gently and methodically kissed her shoulders and back, working my way left, then right, in one-inch increments, all the way down the back. when i got to the top of her ass cheeks, i stopped, and slowly licked her spine all the way back up to the base of her hairline. she gasped ever so slightly. i did the same all the way down, and this time i 'inadvertently' let my tongue slip slightly into her butt crack. she did not resist.

but rather than plunge right into the butt hole, i played it coy just a little. i stopped, sat up, and took a look at her ass. first, the overall shape was spectacular. her hips were large and round, very un-thai like. her waist was extremely thin, and so the combined effect of super thin waist and large, flared hips was rather mesmerizing. i would say that on the completely subjective, and utterly unreliable kumbumeter, her ass was a solid 7. it's hard to get too high on the kumbumeter, which has a little bit of an exponential scale, so 7 on the kumbumeter is like a 7 on the richter scale. it'll move some serious earth.

i put my hands around the edge of her hips and caressed them, outlined them, and ingrained them into my memory. i cupped her hips like this for a good 20 seconds, before succumbing to the desire to use my mouth. so i started at the top of the hips, that ridge just above the ass, and kissed her laterally. i kissed my way, in one-inch squares as before, around the edge of her ass, deliberately avoiding the plump, juicy fleshy areas. it was like i was tracing the hour-glass with my lips, and i was enjoying every sumptuous square-inch of this experience.

i eventually started to make my way into the hinterland, and as i did, the going got harder and harder (pun intended). her flesh was soft but firm, and i gobbled it up like it was candy. i mean, at one point my mouth was full of ass flesh, both my hands were full of ass flesh, and i think some ass flesh went into my nose too. she was good about it: no over the top oohs or aahs, but at the same time, not dead like a piece of butchered meat. she was gently guiding me, showing me what works and what doesn't and letting me have my way with her ass.

doh! just then, i remembered my mission. before this goes any farther, i needed to make my way down to the achilles heel and try my thing. so i got up onto my knees and looked down at her, lying prone on her front, her back side entirely exposed to me. holy mother of gods, this ass was delectable. and her legs, it turns out, were reasonably good. they were not as curvy as i like. somewhat slim, but shapely and certainly well-maintained. the kumbumeter scales them at 6.

so i started at the left achilles, and with my tongue, i traced my way in a lazy zig-zag up her calf, massaging the flesh as i went along, up to the back of the knee, where i lingered for a moment, and then on to her thighs. her skin was remarkably soft, but it was hard too. i guess that's what young flesh feels like, mmm. her thighs were not as solid as i like them, but i was loving it nonetheless. i got to the crease in the bottom of her ass cheeks, and i kissed all along that crease, careful not to enter the sensitive regions. i got up to the top of the ass cheek, and then cut rightwards to traverse the dangerous mountains and ravines that lay before me. when i reached the ravine, i hopped across, again careful not to commit any kind of oral sodomy. i got to the other cheek and kissed all around the cheek again, worshiping its perfect gluteal formation. i then made my way back down the other side in a rather uneventful ending.

hmm, that did not achieve my mission. her ass is great, but her legs are not quite right. so my mission shall live to see another day. or set of legs and ass.

[b]i shall strike yea asunder[/b]

so i made my way back up, and i tried to go in for some rimming. i pushed my tongue down inside the flesh, and she oohed a little. i started rimming around the edge and was getting into it. her ass cheeks were so large that i had to physically hold the cheeks open just to get deep enough to reach the edges of her asshole. i could not actually reach all the way down into her asshole, at least not with the grip i currently had. determined to plough that field, i readjusted my stance and grip, spread my legs to get some leverage, and really pried that ass open. heave! as i thrust those cheeks asunder, she giggled a little, and i soon found out why. as soon as i pulled the ass cheeks aside, they slammed right back shut. it was like a spring-loaded door, except the spring was set too heavy. so i tried again: heave! and the damned thing slammed shut once more. this time with a slap as one cheek hit the other. that. was. the. most. beautiful. thing. i. have. ever. seen. in. my. life.

ok, once more, i pulled with all my might, flexing those deltoids and back muscles to open that beauty up, and this time on the outswing, i plunged in with my tongue wiggling and poking like a threatened snake. i landed solidly right in her asshole: splooch! but to my surprise, and lack of planning, the ass cheeks slammed shut around my cranium. i felt ass flesh engulf my ears, and it was like i was underwater all of a sudden, or like i was being smothered by a pillow.

so there i was, tongue pushed up against her asshole, and head stuck between her cheeks. what if we both died right then? would that picture have gone into the police file?

so she did not like her asshole being tongued one bit. she was fine with the rimming, but not right, square *into* the asshole, and she pulled away very quickly. ok, i can dig that. i don't like my own asshole being tongued either, so we're even.

[b] may the sexing begin! [/b]

she flipped over and asked if i have condom. i said yes, but they are american, and no lube. she had never seen that before since all condoms have lube. so she helped put it on, and then i realized, 'what if she is not actually wet? i don't have any lube, nor does she, this could be painful. ' but thankfully, she was wet, not overly so, but enough to get penetration.

dude, she was tight. i mean, it was hard going for me. and in my heightened state of sexual sensitivity, this was not going to last very long. we were in missionary position, and i do so love some doggie, but i feared that the very sight of her ass would just end things. so i decided to soldier on in missionary. as things progressed, and i hit my stride, the urge to cum receded. i started working the angles, and she started responding. we went at it for 30 strokes or so, and then she began to tense up. she arched her back for a short moment and then slumped back to the bed. was that an orgasm? not sure, i carried on.

we did this some more, and she again did this little mini-back-spasm thing, and this time i was more sure that it was an orgasm, but an odd one certainly. moments later, the dam burst its banks, and three years of repressed sexuality came exploding out of me:i grimaced, i groaned, i arched my back, my face fell into her breasts, and i moaned my pleasure and satisfaction to her. as this was happening, she wrapped her legs around me and tightened her grip on me, and she used both her hands to stroke my shoulders and neck and she kissed my cheeks and neck while i expelled the effluent along with the emotion and energy. i collapsed in a heap of sweat, cum, spittle and tears, and we lay there for a good five minutes, little kumbu quivering within her like a scared little goat hiding from the lion.

she slowly extracted me, i washed up, and then we lay for some gentle pillow talk. having just made a cross-pacific journey with no on-board sleep, and having now spent my energy and three years of pent up frustration, a nice nap sounded about right. it was just past 4am at this point, and i needed to be in to work at 9am, so i might get four hours of sleep if i can get her out of here now. thankfully she was of the same mind, but she did not know how to broach the subject. so i asked her, 'you want to go home, see your mama and papa? ' and she broke into a broad smile and lept out of bed.

i paid her 2000b, as agreed upon, by putting it discretely into her bag (while she was watching, of course). we said our goodbyes, and i collapsed into bed. i had my phone was next to the bed and it showed an email notification. i checked, and the good people at work had rescheduled everything to help me recover from my, umm, flight. good people they are. that meant i could sleep until 2pm tomorrow. luxury. so i went to sleep, happy, satisfied, and exhausted. wonderful.

at 8:03am, my eyes inexplicably opened. was this jet lag? or was a 10am tryst at mango massage calling?

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1453972]Part 2, this one's about the naughty bits. Syzygies, I take your impatience as praise, and I assume we're good now.

[b]The Gentle Walk Back[/b]

As we walk out, she slowly hooks her hand into the crook of my arm as we walk and starts yattering. It was actually kind of endearing, the way she warmed up to me so quickly. She started telling me about why she did not want LT today (I guess this pisses people off?). Turns out her mama and papa arrived from Surin that very evening at 9pm, and she had picked them up from the bus station, and needed to get back so that she could sleep for a while and then spend[/QUOTE]Great looking report. So hard to read, I didn't. LOL.

Cliff notes version. Guy paid 2000 lont time and had sex. He was satisfied.

I'm one of those who just has no interest in the detail of the sex. I like every thing other than the sex part. LOL.

What about you guys?

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1453881][u]Rainbow 4[/u]

Trotted over to Rainbow 4 for the regular dose of blurry neoned beauty, and it did not disappoint. The stage was full of gorgeous ladies of all different shapes and sizes. This place is just so good to look at, but in all my years I have BFed here only once (and I have to say she was a fabulous experience, I repeated with her outside of her working hours several times). I don't know what it is, I just don't get the vibe here, and I just don't know why. There must be some Feng Shui explanation, but beats me. Apologies Harold, for the blasphemy, but I am not a man of the faith.

I spied four girls who would be fine worthy, but while the lower head was banging on the door screaming to be let in, there was a little voice in my (upper) head telling me not to open the door. But the upper head was just not making sense: these girls are there waiting for me to take them back and baste them in sugary Kumbu, and god knows that's all that was on my mind at that point. Why would this not be a good idea? Well, whatever it was, my Monger Sense was telling me no go.

There were the regular groups of men in there. The white fun guys laughing at the bar unaware of the ladies (what is there to talk and laugh about for so long while naked women walk but inches from your noses?) , the lone wolf Japanese guys who walk in, sit and look for a while, then leave, and the macho brown guys. I have so often seen groups of these macho guys, perhaps Arab, perhaps Iranian, perhaps Indian (of some variety) who go over the top with expensive liquor, and blinged-out 7-inch phablets, wearing muscle shirts and showing body language that says 'FUCK yeah. That's what I'm talkin's about, boy. ' I don't get it. Unfortunately, one group of particularly masculine brownies came and sat next to me, and suddenly I blended into them (not due to my masculinity, hah, but due to my complexion being, well, brown). And I have to say, I did not appreciate being grouped with them, so I fucked the hell out of there.[/QUOTE]Great stories there Kumbu. I enjoyed reading them. I have been staying in Soi 11 since 2007 almost every year and I love that area.

Just one note on Rainbow 4. I would never miss it no matter what but this time (yesterday it was) when it was meant to be 'the' visit (Friday night, staying for a little longer than I would in a go go) I had to leave in a disappointment.

Having arrived early at around 20. 30 I was sipping my drinks till way past 22. 00. Girls kept arriving and getting on the stage as so did customers but no matter how hard I looked (and my eagle sharp eyes went through every corner of the premises be it both stages, the distant dark corners or anyone entering / leaving the place. I just couldn't see any girls that would instantly make a 'click' in my head. In fact, not even ones that I would evaluate for more than 2 seconds because all seemed like an instant 'reject' to my taste (slim, hot body without bellies or anything else sticking out where it's not due above all). Well, there was one but even she made me hesitate (she was bar-fined before I managed to make my mind up) which is probably not a good indication anyway. I then saw another one with a very tight and toned body but to my own great surprise she happened to be someone I barfined... 3 years ago in the same place (and somehow she remembered me too) but her attitude was far from right back then and seemingly today. She wouldn't even get on the stage to dance. Which left me wondering if quality of girls in Rainbow 4 has gone down over the years or was it just a coincidence, bad timing, my imagination or anything else? I couldn't say that about some other big and famous places which despite having mixed experiences with attitudes of girls seemingly have enough of hot girls on offer for my tastes.

So all in all I ended up considering one girl (because there were none more who would pass my own criteria of being slim and hot enough) who eventually got barfined by someone and if by 22. 30 there are no suitable candidates then I suppose it's time to evacuate to somewhere else.!

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1454064]Great stories there Kumbu. I enjoyed reading them. I have been staying in Soi 11 since 2007 almost every year and I love that area.

Just one note on Rainbow 4. I would never miss it no matter what but this time (yesterday it was) when it was meant to be 'the' visit (Friday night, staying for a little longer than I would in a go go) I had to leave in a disappointment.

Having arrived early at around 20. 30 I was sipping my drinks till way past 22. 00. Girls kept arriving and getting on the stage as so did customers but no matter how hard I looked (and my eagle sharp eyes went through every corner of the premises be it both stages, the distant dark corners or anyone entering / leaving the place...[/QUOTE]It's not you. Rainbow 4 gets 4 thumbs down from me for the past 2 months. Funny thing is gets worse by the day. LOL.

You were there during prime-time and I see what you saw everyday now. Just too many farang style girls. Hot chicks are few and far between.

No offense to good writers but they need to embellish to substantiate their writing. No way is there gorgeous beauties filling the stage close to closing.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1453972]Part 2, this one's about the naughty bits. Syzygies, I take your impatience as praise, and I assume we're good now.[/QUOTE]Really great FR,

Keep up the good work, I for one will be looking forward to your next report.

Saturday night update. Rainbow 4 was graced with the presence of number 37 w / o a customer for 20 minutes. Actually she came back from a barfine but I got to say hello and feel a nipple. LOL. Other than that nothig, the hot girls still didn't show up.

Surprise of the night-Rainbow 2 was hopping, guys barfining and all. Good to see. Still the fuglies not getting much love.

Asked a girl short time price- she was emphatic. 2500! No if and or butts!

All credit for Kumbu's A-1, superfine reportage. It's nice to read something that captures the ground truth. His command of basic English composition is a nice contrast to the semi-literate crap posted by so many others, and his literary flourishes are a nice added bonus. Many thanks for taking the time to post good sir!

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I noticed a gorgeous girl wearing a skin tight red dress. She had boobs sticking out, perhaps with a push up bra, but even then, they were substantial. And she had a very shapely butt. Also, she was tall and elegant, and I liked that a lot. But really, I am a sucker for red, skin-tight one-piece dresses.[/QUOTE]Then Mr. Kumbu will no doubt enjoy this short video clip:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDUie-qErw0[/url]

Looking forward to his future efforts.

Bunky

Hi everyone. This going to be my first post and my first report. It is actually from my visit to trip on February. I spent 5 nights in Bangkok and 3 in Phuket. I will share my limited experience in Phuket in its own thread.

Now before I start: Thanks for all the posters in this forum. It was because of your reports that I was able to finish my trip unsctahed and a lot of experience. I felt obligated to share my experience because I know from myself a new comer will be reading this while planning his nights and I want him to have a great time like I did.

Day 1: Istanbul To Bangkok via Singapore.

When do you know your trip is going to be awesome? When a Singapore Airlines stewardess on her day off sat next to me on the plane from Singapore to BKK. She still had that sexy, over the top makeup the SA stewardesses wear, and she just couldn't sit still during take off, so I asked her, knowing the answer,"you work in SA, right?" That started a great conversation that lasted until after we landed. She was super friendly, and helped me plan my daily activities, where to go, where to eat, etc. I must have done a good job hiding my occasional glimpse down her cleavage or her milky white knees, because she even showed me her pictures on her iphone. When we landed, she was surprised to see my small cabin baggage, yep that's all I have, she said,"I can never pack that small, I have 5 different lipstick only!" I just love a woman who cares about her lipstick. At this point, we reached passport control and I said goodbye. She was a hot Chinese Thai, creamy white skin, lovely smile, great personality. To this day I don't know why I didn't ask her number\facebook. I'm like that sometimes. Nevertheless, I took the airport express feeling like The man.
Day1: Bangkok.

I easily found my hotel at Nana, Boss Suites Nana. Great hotel, great location if your plan is to stick to Nana at night. The free tuktuk to skyrail really helps, but you can walk as well. I still remember the first day I walked with my luggage through the NEP, in broad daylight, bargirls and white toruists staring at me like "ooh, here's the new recruit" Even the girls at reception had a knowing smiles and were laughing at me constantly. I asked why, which only returned more giggles.

I like to walk when I travel, and I preferred to walk in BKK as well. In the end I felt so safe in BKK that I was lost on my first night in a distant part of downtown, and it took me a loong time to find the Skyrail. In the end, that being my first night and me feeling already quite satisfied with myself, I simply observed the nightlife of Nana and went directly to my Hotel.

Day 2: Angelwitch.

Having studied the forums in order to not get ripped off or physiccaly ripped by an aggressive ladyboy, I went to Angelwitch directly. As I passed the ladyboy Gogo, Casanova I guess it was called, I couldn't help but smile at the ladyboys waiting outside, which ofcourse caused one of them to really try to grab me, but I managed to free myself without anything from happening. I'm not going to take that leap soon. Without loosing my great mood, and with great hopes, I stepped in to Angelwitch, my first gogo bar.

Now, I know the experienced guys here recommed taking a tour of all the places and whisking away the better girls before it was too late. But this was my first time in a gogo dammit! And I loved the girls black lingerie outfits and the extra shows between pole dancing sessions. I ordered a second beer. Before I realised, it was near closing time and I was still undecided between the one with great body and face and braces or the one with great body, a somewhat pla&305; ner face, and no braces. When she gestured to me, which one of us would you like to come to you? I spread my arms and frustrated on. This seemed to send the message (correctly) that I wanted them both. Suddenly I had (for the first time in my life) two hot chicks all over me and naturally, when the girls noticed the huge tent in my pant, things further coalesced into a double lapdance. At one point I asked the one who spoke English, the one with the braces, how much is it for the night? I don't remember exactly, but it must have been over 4000 per girl because I had to say I couldn't have them both. Now I made two strategies see mistakes. 1, since it was closing time, I though I could skip the barfine. 2, I chose the girl who the didn't speak English, she accepted it, they went inside together to change. I guess she changed her mind while changing her clothes because when they did come back, they just walked past by me! I asked the English speaker, isn't she coming, she said no, she decided to go home instead. So I'm left at 3am with a huge boner. And no external means of relieving.

At least the hotel is nearby.

More to come.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1454078]It's not you. Rainbow 4 gets 4 thumbs down from me for the past 2 months. Funny thing is gets worse by the day. LOL.

You were there during prime-time and I see what you saw everyday now. Just too many farang style girls. Hot chicks are few and far between.

No offense to good writers but they need to embellish to substantiate their writing. No way is there gorgeous beauties filling the stage close to closing.[/QUOTE]What exactly do you mean by 'farang style' girls? As opposed to 'Japanese style' or what? I don't want to sound like a freak because I probably said that numerous times on a number of occasions but most of the girls simply looked. Eh. Too fat. Or at least clearly do not have hot and well proportioned bodies (something that needs to be worked on of course) as if it was ok just to put on some makeup, sexy clothes and that's enough.

Percentage of such 'hot' girls in Baccara (perhaps my all time favorite for both girls and especially service of BKK's go-gos and seems to be clearly the case this time) still seems to be holding at what it used to be. Or at least I didn't notice that much of a change since the past few years. But even there most girls would look pretty average with only a few hot ones here and there (some are seemingly coming just occasionally while others probably get barfined as soon as they step on the dancing stage).

I find this rather strange because by far the most customers there seem to be Japanese who, to my understanding, tend to have a good taste for women (let's not forget they have their own sex industry which is among the most competitive and best developed in the world which means they probably know what good stuff looks like. The fact that being overweight in Japan is not 'normal' adds to that too). Where are all the really slim and cute girls gone? .

[QUOTE=Bunky; 1454216]All credit for Kumbu's A-1, superfine reportage. It's nice to read something that captures the ground truth. His command of basic English composition is a nice contrast to the semi-literate crap posted by so many others, and his literary flourishes are a nice added bonus. Many thanks for taking the time to post good sir / QUOTE]

Seconded. An excellent read with more to follow I hope.

To those whose attention span is such that they never get beyond the newspaper head lines, please desist from negative comments and just put Kumbu on your 'ignore' list.

His posts are far more interesting than carping complaining comments about others' posts.

[quote=streetwalker7; 1453981]great looking report. so hard to read, i didn't. lol.

cliff notes version. guy paid 2000 lont time and had sex. he was satisfied.

i'm one of those who just has no interest in the detail of the sex. i like every thing other than the sex part. lol.

what about you guys?[/quote]truth be told, sex reports with glowing reviews tend to be boring like graphic romance novels with the occasional anus play thrown in. i find the negative ones to be much more interesting, not that i wish any wrongdoings on any mongerer, but as they say in the media if it bleeds it leads. nobody finds stories like the good samaritan who helped elderly lady cross the street very interesting lol.

if there's no conflict, it must go above and beyond the typical i picked up hot girl from bar, had sex, blew a few loads, paid her, and sent her on her merry way. give me something entertaining like a bukake slurp fest, having sex with midget prostitutes who dress up as winny the poo, fecal matter or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url], indian gang bangs, and hiso thai girls picking you up at the airport in their lotus sports car.

Yes, he has a flair for wriiting that many don't posess. He is able to allow the reader to make a mental pictures of the events he describes. I would grade him with an A and give extra credit for his reports. It is obvious he is an educated man.

I am still wondering what "farang style " means. Are we talking about skin color, hair style, likes western type man, or size of girl or what?

Did we decide that streetwacker 7 is really Harold hiding in the shadows? Sorry, I meant streetwalker.

Have to agree with Bunky. Enough said.

So I've spent 2 nights in BKK already without getting laid. Must be some kind of record. But I still didn't lose my mood, knowing that it was long stay and I would have a lot more opprtunities. In fact, I kinda stopped worrying about it. I had another great day sightseeing, sampling food, people watching, etc.

Bangkok Day 3 Annies'

Actually I should say night, because I was curious about this place that advertised itself as a and old, well known institute. They had a lot of pretty pictures on their website, I saw my chances of catching one of the pretty good.

I see the entrance, I say, oh this isn't so promising. But the mamasan are frindly, and even the fishbowl isn't so promising, I take beer to look careful. After a few minutes, Mamasan calls the girls up and says they don't see me. I answer, of course they do. And she admits laughingly. I'm not a politician on secret trip. I'm just back from the military and having the last carefree holiday trip of my life. I don't care being seen by a bunch of Thai sex workers. As always, I take too long to decide. Mamasan calls one up. She's not really hot. But shee seems enthusiastic and friendly. And after last night, I decide to just flow. I know the mamasan always chooses the girls that have less customers. We go to the dim, old, really unpleasent room together. Its not a great place to have romantic sex. This is a brothel with an extra service.

She goes out o "do some shopping" and she returns a few minutes later with a box full of cleaning agents. She puts them down.

At one point we began kissing. I guess this is what they call a DFK? I never had this before. I'm pleasantly surprised at the enthusiasm she shows when kissing me. I take her clothes off. She has a lot of stretch marks. She is not fat, but her skin is not really tight. I ask her about that, she answers "I was fat, now I gave weight" I don't argue. She keeps saying "small-small" as I take of her bra. Her tits are not sagging, they are small but not really firm. We kiss some more, and this is how she makes me forget about her rather worn out body. After taking a long time on her lips and body, at her urging, We get into the tub.

The 'soapy massage' is nice, if you don't know, its not really a massage, she just fills the tube, soaps your body and slides on your body (which includes your erection) , which is nice change after the showers in the militarry barracks. I let her bring me off with her hands. I helped wash the substantial damage off her and then dry her with the towel. She loved that, I guess she is not used to getting return favors. We move to bed.

She was just as enthusiastic in the bed and after trying a lot of positions, I asked her to finish me off with her mouth. She was a bit hesitant but I knew the policy of the place, it was my right dammit! She took it in her mouth. Why don't you just put it into your mouth without asking twice if you can give head so well? I didn't last long.

After the secong load, I had lost track of time and we cuddled and rested a little. She asked to come with me tonight, but I answered I had to leave the next day. That wasn't it, ofcourse. It was those stretch marks looking all the more noticeable after getting rid of my month long load. We showered again, I handed her the towel this time, which disappointed her. She wanted me to dry her off again! I was happy to comply. We left the depressing room with me holding her hips and a huge grin on my face. Outside, the mamasan is just laughing her ass off at the way look like to lovers, and I can only imagine the redness of my face. I'm not used to this walk of shame.

I really liked this girl that I don't remember the number or name of. I guess a great body and a great face is not necessary for great sex.

And there goes another one of my inhibitions.

On the 4th day I left for Siem Reap. I was a good boy there. Next stop was Phuket back in Thailand. I did try a few places there but the real fun I had was when I was back in BKK for 2 more nights.

Kumbu, your reports are excellent. I appreciate the time and effort you have obviously put in to them. Keep them coming, so to speak.

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1454235]What exactly do you mean by 'farang style' girls? As opposed to 'Japanese style' or what? I don't want to sound like a freak because I probably said that numerous times on a number of occasions but most of the girls simply looked. Eh. Too fat. Or at least clearly do not have hot and well proportioned bodies (something that needs to be worked on of course) as if it was ok just to put on some makeup, sexy clothes and that's enough.

Percentage of such 'hot' girls in Baccara (perhaps my all time favorite for both girls and especially service of BKK's go-gos and seems to be clearly the case this time) still seems to be holding at what it used to be. Or at least I didn't notice that much of a change since the past few years. But even there most girls would look pretty average with only a few hot ones here and there (some are seemingly coming just occasionally while others probably get barfined as soon as they step on the dancing stage)...[/QUOTE]Farang style or American style (as one Rainbow 2 girl calls them) vs ippun style girls.

I'll just go extreme. If you are dark and ugly the only chance you have to make money is with the Farang. Many pretty light skin won't even go with Farangs, or will do so with great sorrow. LOL.

Those that go with their barfine to eat Pancakes for breakfast. Those are Farang style girls. LOL.

Those that marry sex tourist- those are Farang style girls. LOL.

Those that work Beer garden-those are Farang style girls. LOL.

Those that walk the mean streets-those are Farang style girls, Arab too. LOL.

Those that work Pattaya-those are farang style girls. LOL.

Those that take it up the asshole-those are Farang style girls. LOL.

Those that accept 500 baht-those are Farang style girls. LOL.

Those that get violent with their customers-those are farang style girls. LOL.

On and on, I see it everyday I'm here. Hants changed one bit in 8.5 years.

Always exceptions! The Rainbow 4 superstar has no problem going with Farang.

Bakaras is good example. I tend to go late so what I predominately see is Farang style girls on stage. LOL. The young pretty ones, almost always light skin have been barfined by the Japanese (Asian) guys.

Last night in the old age group downstairs, all were Farang style girls. LOL.

Der vs Kumbu. In regards to reality, of whats actually happening in the bars, Der wins hands down.

I think people get fooled by good writing. No matter how good or bad the substance is.

[QUOTE=Eadam; 1454234]Hi everyone. This going to be my first post and my first report. It is actually from my visit to trip on February. I

Day 2: Angelwitch.

Now, I know the experienced guys here recommed taking a tour of all the places and whisking away the better girls before it was too late. But this was my first time in a gogo dammit! And I loved the girls black lingerie outfits and the extra shows between pole dancing sessions. I ordered a second beer. Before I realised, it was near closing time and I was still undecided between the one with great body and face and braces or the one with great body, a somewhat pla&305; ner face, and no braces. When she gestured to me, which one of us would you like to come to you? I spread my arms and frustrated on. This seemed to send the message (correctly) that I wanted them both. Suddenly I had (for the first time in my life) two hot chicks all over me and naturally, when the girls noticed the huge tent in my pant, things further coalesced into a double lapdance...[/QUOTE]That girl who stiffed you might have been the best thing that ever happened to you. We are not their lovers, boyfriends, etc. We are customers. She gave you a much needed slap in the face of what goes on here.

I still don't get why guys go long time on first encounter. One must assume girl doesn't want it!

If your girl has a rough edge-she is prolly a farang style girl. Ex no. 52 at Rainbow 4. LOL.

What would DR blowjobb do as a businessman?

I've stayed at my Asoke hotel 60 days. 30 days per 21,000. 700 per night.

Need only 25 more nights. I offered 17,500 for the 25 nights. Hotel offers 19,000.

I'm good customer and they want me back. Whats wrong with my pro-rated offer? I've stayed the 2 months, I'm not asking for discount.

I've decided to move to Nana area hotel at 15, 000 for 30 nights. If I add 1000 for true aircard I'm still ahead 3500 baht. Thats one barfine my my Rainbow 4 asshoel girl. Don't even know where she is now she is long time no working.

To me the hotel is making bad business decision. So many times I see thais leaving money on the table for someone else to reap. Maybe it all evens out among the thais. Who knows. LOL.

Just a few responses to people who commented on previous posts. First, thanks for the warm words, it is very much appreciated. I'm glad to see that some people are reading. Also, I don't take offense to people who don't like what I post. Feel free to comment as negatively as you like, it bounces off me like ladyboys on Sukhumvit. But all I ask is that your criticism be (I) coherent (II) constructive, and (III) based upon what I wrote, not what you admit to being unable to read.

Second, some clarifications on Rainbow 4: I stand by my assertion that the quality of girl was high at 1:30am on Th night. I don't see how that could be falsified, actually, since beauty is in the eye of this beholder. This beholder who has been deprived for three long years, so perhaps keep that in mind. Also, beauty need not be thin with peroxide hair. If you open your mind, you will see that beauty comes in many different shapes, sizes, shades and prices. Can a brother get an amen?

But before anyone thinks I am in any way endorsing R4, let's be clear: I don't like it for the purposes of BFing. And one thing that I just cannot stand about R4 is how the waitresses and mama sans hustle and pressure you. It is annoying as hell. And I think it is worse in R4 than any other bar (even the other Rainbows). But I may be wrong on that.

Anyway, my next post appears in the Massage (non Tulip / Annies) thread.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1454402]Just a few responses to people who commented on previous posts. First, thanks for the warm words, it is very much appreciated. I'm glad to see that some people are reading. Also, I don't take offense to people who don't like what I post. Feel free to comment as negatively as you like, it bounces off me like ladyboys on Sukhumvit. But all I ask is that your criticism be (I) coherent (II) constructive, and (III) based upon what I wrote, not what you admit to being unable to read.

Second, some clarifications on Rainbow 4: I stand by my assertion that the quality of girl was high at 1:30am on Th night. I don't see how that could be falsified, actually, since beauty is in the eye of this beholder. This beholder who has been deprived for three long years, so perhaps keep that in mind. Also, beauty need not be thin with peroxide hair. If you open your mind, you will see that beauty comes in many different shapes, sizes, shades and prices. Can a brother get an amen?

But before anyone thinks I am in any way endorsing R4, let's be clear: I don't like it for the purposes of BFing. And one thing that I just cannot stand about R4 is how the waitresses and mama sans hustle and pressure you. It is annoying as hell. And I think it is worse in R4 than any other bar (even the other Rainbows). But I may be wrong on that.

Anyway, my next post appears in the Massage (non Tulip / Annies) thread.[/QUOTE]We are worlds apart. Holy shit.

We have a skogis alert here. LOL. A guy who uses his own personal scale of beauty.

What pressure from wait staff and mama. Big mama doesn't say much to those she doesn't know, she is not a greeter. She comes over when she sees a potential barfine happening. The old lady is about as pressure free as one can get. The man mama is same. The youger mama is not pushy.

If you can't handle the wait staff using their arms to point out ladies are available. You too darn sensitive. LOL.

Seems a lot of my better posts never see the light of day here. LOL.

I did a great post of trying to explain what Farang style (American) girl is. Keep an eye out for it. Maybe it will pop up after the editors go thru it with a fine toothed comb. LOL.

And I'm really trying to keep my posts vanilla. Clean so to say. LOL.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1454402]And one thing that I just cannot stand about R4 is how the waitresses and mama sans hustle and pressure you. It is annoying as hell. And I think it is worse in R4 than any other bar (even the other Rainbows). But I may be wrong on that.[/QUOTE]Another Rainbow (perhaps 3?) on other side near front stairs was the worst I ever experienced several years ago. Naturally I did not stay long and never returned. One of the good girls, but skinny, from R4 I took in the past who was willing to stay all night, I recently I saw was working in Cowboy now. Maybe kicked out due to her lack of hustle personality. LOL.

Some of us appreciate more relaxed bars where can take as much time as you like to assess girls, unless another patron will steal them immediately, which is the case with Noo Dee at Suzie Wong (never available for more than a few minutes before gets BFed).

If I want Noo Dee I would always ring her first, and arrange a specific time. Then could fit me in before one of her main sugar daddies arrives.

Not many stunners at SW right now and they are accepting too many fatties to work there really (to my taste). However still there are some good girls with good slim bodies. No silly cones for me. Fun girls! Not many stunners to my taste at Baccarat either. Young girls, some with good natural bodies, light skin, and mainly plain faces. Too much silicone, too many ugly nose jobs.

Lets face it. If girls were truly stunning both face and body, and a great personality, they just will not last long. Noo Dee at SW has plenty of offers to take her away from it all and probably will not be there much longer. I believe she has decided on the guy to take her away from it all already, and just making a bit more money before quitting.

Kumbu's well written reports have inspired me to get out the ipad and post a report on good old Bangkok. Will be shorter and possibly less entertaining. Arrived Friday evening and after the usual dreadful traffic (2hrs to Sukhumvit, near Asoke) decided that I was in need of a thorough professional cleaning (incl. The priping.) and wandered over to Annies:

While may reports with mixed experiences have been written about this venue, my experiences have by and large been positive. This visit was again a good one. The facilities are in dire straits, but I didn't visit to have a 5 star hotel experience; I go there to get quality service from a cute Thai girl. Khun Aey is a tad more pushy than in the past, but I know what I want and decided for No. 42: She is a cute 22 yr old new talent at Annies (Aey repeatly said she is new, may not have the service skills.). And what a talent she is, a natural talent is the right word. Good soapy action and also later in the sheets quite active. Great start to the weekend with all pipes clean and cleared. 42 is a great choice, but her English language skills are limited and thus for those Bro's who are after a session with a lot of conversation, she might not be the right choice.

Next stop in the evening was Soi Cowboy, which I very much prefer over Nana Plaza. Simply has a better feel to it for me and seems less exposed to LB's. First stop was Suzy Wong. This place is one ofthe more active places, with shows happening regularly past 9pm and these can be quite entertaining. Good fun, but no target for BFine. All the good ones had "Sponsors" already. Second stop Cowboy II, this used to be one of my preferred venues, but was rather boring. Not much eye contact, all in all didn't work for me. Last stop then Tilac, my favourite shop on the Cowboy strip and again bingo managed to establish eye contact with a hottie. One of the most amazing Thai bodies I have seen to date (and I have seen a considerable no.). A few lady drinks later and we were off to a good late night / early morning.

Saturday evening was Soi Cowboy night again, did the rounds in Suzie Wong (again great shows, but the good ones get Bfined quickly) , Baccara (the Japanese are known as big spenders and are very popular there, more difficult for a Farang to score) , Cowboy II. Nearly as dead as Friday evening, Rawhide, which was happening, though I liked a non-fineable Waitress most, and failed to score. Again Tilac was best, many good quality gals around, but my catch was less good than the day before, though still not bad.

Sunday, last day. After a fantastic lengthy traditional Thai massage, decided to do the final cleaning again at Annies. Choice was again about 15-20 ladies, some outrightly awful, but again some young gems. Decided on No. 87. A 20 yr old cutie, a bit darker, but very sweet. Was again reminded that as she is new, she might lack the skills, but after my Friday experience, was ready to take the risk. Once again I was nt disappointed, she knew how to go about the Soapie procedure. Though no BBj on the mat. But was very active on the bed. She really seemed to enjoy herself and with that made me have a great time. Actually this was the best preformance I had during the Weekend. A true Gem, but that is my very subjective view and also as I don't mind if the English language skills are weak. I am lookimg for other skills.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1454451]We are worlds apart. Holy shit.

We have a skogis alert here. LOL. A guy who uses his own personal scale of beauty.[/QUOTE]Well for Gods sake what is wrong with having an own "personal scale of beauty"? Maby I missed something but as someone so cleverly put it here (not you Harold) beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. My "rating system" works fine for me and I put it out here some months ago as well so no need for a repeat. I could not care less if my "personal scale of beauty" does not cater everyone elses taste as I pretty much know what I crave for and it has a lot to do with time and place so to speak (as long as they are asians, hehe).

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;1454309]Kumbu, your reports are excellent. I appreciate the time and effort you have obviously put in to them. Keep them coming, so to speak.[/QUOTE]Actually you have both been blessed with a wonderful ISG writing style.

[quote=farape;1454489]kumbu's well written reports have inspired me to get out the ipad and post a report on good old bangkok. will be shorter and possibly less entertaining.[/quote]thanks for the field report. but it would have been even better if you supplied prices so newbies and those who have not been there for a while could get an idea of current costs.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1454333]I'll just go extreme. If you are dark and ugly the only chance you have to make money is with the Farang. Many pretty light skin won't even go with Farangs, or will do so with great sorrow. LOL.

I think people get fooled by good writing. No matter how good or bad the substance is.[/QUOTE]I can do nothing but agree here. I went to quite a few bars including Shark, Baccara, Rainbow and Rainbow 4 and I was really struggling to see slim and pretty girls. I was lucky a couple of times in Baccara and once in R4 but those were exceptions I guess.

Even ones who supposedly get barfined early by Asian customers. Well I kinda struggle to spot them because I do come early (just after 20. 00) and, well, nothing.

Even at Emanuelle and Nataree which I decided to give a try for their reputations for young and hot girls I ended up leaving without any luck. Despite having quite a few girls on offer, even including the young 5000-6000 Baht ones they don't seem to have many (well, none, in fact. Not Sunday night at 20. 00 anyway) of them despite those places primarily catering to Asian customers. Maybe it's me getting more picky every time with my obsession with thin, cute and young girlies but damn I never thought I would actually struggle with this in Bangkok of all places. Or is it really getting harder to find those type of girls these days?

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1454793]I can do nothing but agree here. I went to quite a few bars including Shark, Baccara, Rainbow and Rainbow 4 and I was really struggling to see slim and pretty girls. I was lucky a couple of times in Baccara and once in R4 but those were exceptions I guess.

Even ones who supposedly get barfined early by Asian customers. Well I kinda struggle to spot them because I do come early (just after 20. 00) and, well, nothing.

Even at Emanuelle and Nataree which I decided to give a try for their reputations for young and hot girls I ended up leaving without any luck. Despite having quite a few girls on offer, even including the young 5000-6000 Baht ones they don't seem to have many (well, none, in fact. Not Sunday night at 20. 00 anyway) of them despite those places primarily catering to Asian customers. Maybe it's me getting more picky every time with my obsession with thin, cute and young girlies but damn I never thought I would actually struggle with this in Bangkok of all places. Or is it really getting harder to find those type of girls these days?[/QUOTE]8pm is way too early.

Soemthing about Rainbow 1 girls. 2 in particular. Very pretty yet I haven't seen either one barfined in over a month and a half. And no I'm not there every minute. But one can gauge activity if you go often enough.

The R2 superstar (1 of them) is a very Thai girl next door type. LOL. Cute face, great smile, bad tooths, not great body, great personality. Many occasions she come in dressed in strret clothes and goes to a barfine. Me thinks she gets a lot of repeat business.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1454078]No offense to good writers but they need to embellish to substantiate their writing. No way is there gorgeous beauties filling the stage close to closing.[/QUOTE]In whose opinion? This subject was flogged to death back in March with your insistence over an absurd rating system that should be rigidly accepted by everyone so let's leave it there and just agree to differ.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Der Tourist;1454793]I can do nothing but agree here. I went to quite a few bars including Shark, Baccara, Rainbow and Rainbow 4 and I was really struggling to see slim and pretty girls. I was lucky a couple of times in Baccara and once in R4 but those were exceptions I guess.[/QUOTE]I am not agreeing with SW7, however you are partially right here. The numbers of girls in these places with a really stunning face to go with a great body is very few. Many guys are confusing youth, light skin, big tits, etc. With beauty in my opinion. Normally we have to make some sort of compromise. If girls were super in every category, why would they be there? Usually something has to be missing, and if the looks are fantastic, then often that means the performance will be lacking. The bargirls I have met with really pretty faces, are not the best performers I have found. E. G. Noo Dee at Suzie Wong is very pretty but maybe below average performer. She doesn't even have to try to get customers. At same place, Lai is great looking but I don't like her at all (the girls don't like her either).

I take girls with above average faces (to my taste) , good ass and legs, are fun, relaxed, and no hassles. I cannot expect to find a super face too often. I will agree that R4 has a small number of girls in the exceptional looks bracket but not sure if they are really performing great or just provide rushed quickies, mostly. Maybe there are exceptions. Baccarat girls that are rated No. 1 by Japanese, look very ordinary to me, and I would not even consider them. Clearly personal taste is varying a lot.

I do know a few Soapy girls that I would consider to have faces miles above average looks. Their bodies are good but not perfect though. To get everything is impossible. To me stunning is like Jessica Alba, Jessica Biel, etc.

The looks of Rianbow 4 girls topless side went up 50. LOL. They don't go topless now. They look so much better.

Anyone have stats who gets barfined more, the nudie girls or the shy girls. My eyeballs tell me the shy side gets way more action. Girls that go partial nude or total nude just lack good facial features.

Exceptions duly noted.

Regarding pretty girls in agogos.

If you don't know where they are thats on you. Same if you can't identify them. Hint-go where there are a lot of customers. It's not rocket science.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1454719]Actually you have both been blessed with a wonderful ISG writing style.[/QUOTE]We are bless to now have a few more Hemingway writers / contributors: in addition to Syzgies, FreebieFan, Nic, we now have Sir Lancelot, Skogis and most recent Kumbu. If I missed anyone, not intentional ;)

[quote=farape;1454489]first stop was suzy wong.[/quote][quote=farape;1454489]saturday evening was soi cowboy night again, did the rounds in suzie wong (again great shows, but the good ones get bfined quickly) ,[/quote]thanks farape, for taking the time to post. you have inspired me to give suzie wong's a little visit. perhaps tomorrow night.

[QUOTE=Eadam;1454288]So I've spent 2 nights in BKK already without getting laid.[/QUOTE]Nice reports Eadam. I was worried for you for a while there on day 2, but it worked out in the end. Appreciate you reporting even this far out.

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1454725]Thanks for the field report. But it would have been even better if you supplied prices so newbies and those who have not been there for a while could get an idea of current costs.[/QUOTE]I'll tell you why no prices. These guys are going for 1000 baht short time girls or maybe 2k long time, whatever. Guys would lose interest very quickly if you knew the girls were bottom of the barrel types.

How do I know this. In one of his wordy post I saw he paid 2k long time. Not many hot girls go lt for 2k. Whatever misunderstnding, duly noted.

For example. Mr E. Long time price of 1000. Who want detailed description of sexual exploits with old babied . LOL.

I'm sure service was superb though. LOL.

What a difference going to big Baccara at 9 pm makes. Instead of seeing 1 o are 2 really good faces at 11pm you get to see all of them before the heavy barfining begins.

Rainbow 4 on life support at 11pm. Maybe a bit much here. While Rainbow 1 electric at midnight.

No offense but I conclude the farang invasion killed Rainbow 4. The girls just not showing up!

[QUOTE=Skogis;1454712]Well for Gods sake what is wrong with having an own "personal scale of beauty"? Maby I missed something but as someone so cleverly put it here (not you Harold) beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. My "rating system" works fine for me and I put it out here some months ago as well so no need for a repeat. I could not care less if my "personal scale of beauty" does not cater everyone elses taste as I pretty much know what I crave for and it has a lot to do with time and place so to speak (as long as they are asians, hehe).[/QUOTE]Whats wrong is you the only guy seeing 9s at the local beer garden. Thats whats wrong. LOL.

I forgot. Add another review here. 1045 pm or so. G spot next to R4. 2 girls on stage and zero patrons.

NEP needs a new business model before the whole thing collapses! They should demolish the whole thing and start over.

in my last report i alluded to the skinny beauty from night 1 (from climax) who texted me that she felt jilted by my payment of 2000b. ok, so now i had to clear that up. one complication is that we had agreed with her friend, the one with the super sexy legs, that tonight i would return to climax and take her. so i was not sure how this would all play out.

i overslept in the afternoon after the exertions of anal cranialing the no-name wonder from mango (sorry, couldn't resist the dig) , and awoke at 10pm really groggy and tired. in the words of senator davis (the wire) , shiiiiiiiiiiit. i need to be strong, i can't let the weakness of the mind be the enemy of the weakness of the flesh, if you know what i mean.

so i woke up at 10pm, fucked around on my laptop a little bit, typed some of the isg report from the mango event, descended into the trance of writing, and lost track of time. i was awoken from my trance by a text on my phone. it was pretty little thing, asking where i was. dude, it was 12:30am already, and i was supposed to hit sexy legs at midnight.

i texted her that i was on my way, and to tell her friend to wait for me. she texted back saying her friend was not there, and she didn't know where she was. ok, so i got stood up, i can deal with that. but what do i do with this girl? she's upset about not being paid properly, and she wants compensation. should i just ditch?

i decided i would try to work it out with her, and if worse comes to worse, i would throw something small her way to placate her. so i texted her that i would be at climax soon. but now there was no hurry, so i showered, shaved, and walked down soi 11 to a little restaurant where i usually get some fried rice with coffee (yeah, it took me a while to train them on this combination, but they accept it now). in the middle of my meal, cutie texts me again asking where i was. i told her i was on my way, and she wrote back asking if i want to take her tonight because her friend is not there, and she does not have any other customers.

ok, so she wanted me to make up the payment for the previous night plus another night, which presumably would be at her rate of 3000b st. i am an understanding man, but no. umm, no. err, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

but on the other hand, she was propositioning me, which meant she wanted to do this. the part about not having any customers was interesting. it suggested she was desperate, and i am the sure thing. hmm, how do i deal with this? so i wrote back and said i would love to, but i can't do 3000b each night. simple.

2 minutes later, she writes back and says 'ok, you come, you pay me 1000b for last night, and then take me today and you no pay. '

giddy up. i check binned, gulped my still scalding coffee and ran out of there. i got to climax and texted her i was there, and she came out to meet me (so i did not have to pay entry). she needed to clarify the deal: i will pay her 1000b and together for both nights, it will be 3000b. i said "yes, yes, yes, now get your bag, let's go." i didn't want her to change her mind. so she goes back in, gets her bag and out she comes ready for me.

today she was wearing her sexy clothes, and i have to tell you she's a smoker. she is super slim, i mean remarkably trim and fit. and her face is really pretty. she has a prominent mouth and lips, but not bulging or anything. her eyes are just amazingly shaped, very, very attractive. her cheek bones, recall, are calvin klein ad worthy, and her hair was also just bouncy and gorgeous. she was wearing tight jeans and a halter top revealing a perfect, stunningly gorgeous, creamy white midriff. and as she turned around to walk back in, i saw that large rump that i had devoured the night previous. sheisse, this is going to be good.

she comes out, hooks her arm into mine, and we walk off like long lost lovers. the walk back was as casual and relaxed as the previous time, except we were even more familiar with each other. as we approached the hotel we saw the throngs of people waiting to get into levels nightclub, and i asked her if she had even been to levels. she said yes, but it is hard to pick up customers because a lot of people go there only for dancing. interesting to hear it from the wg's perspective. it also showed me just how professional the girls at climax are: they refer to us as customers, and they like climax because the p4p angle is transparent and well-known. levels is dispreferred for the same reason it is dispreferred for us: the ambiguity is a hindrance to what we are ultimately after.

so we go upstairs, and she drops her jeans right off because she has to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]. she giggles as she peels the tight jeans off, and says that she wore these special underwear to show me. i asked her "how did you know i would see your underwear tonight? i was supposed to go with your friend" and she laughed, having been caught in her lie, and she said she was hoping that tonight i would take both of them. nice save darling.

she was wearing a bright red skimpy thong. yawza. it had a gauze front, and a, well, string back which disappeared into her ginormous gluteal orbs. she stripped off her jeans, did a little twirl for me, and as she twirled, my balls reciprocated and twirled themselves into a painful knot. she scampered off to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] as i unwound my testicles, and then she came back, wearing nothing but her thong and half-halter-top. i think she started talking about, umm, stuff. i can't really tell you what she was saying because, umm, legs, and umm, ass, and creamy skin, and yummy, and red thong, oh so very, very thin, me like much much, want eat and do stuff.

i am usually a respectful man. i don't ogle or grope (too much) until we are in bed. but i was tired, and she was like a fucking supernova: this kind of thing comes around once every million years or so. so i ogled shamelessly (if i had groped, it would have ruined it). as she talked, i did not even look at her face, i just ogled her flat, gorgeous belly, and her trim, toned thighs. she was sitting next to me showing me stuff and talking, and her legs were crossed, and fuck me: the thigh on her crossed leg was driving a stake through the middle of my scrotum right then. it as downright painful to watch, but i am such a glutton for punishment.

she then takes out her iphone (remember? the one mama and papa had to sacrifice so she could get it) , and she shows me the photos on the phone. there are hundreds of shots there, and each and every one of them were of her. i mean, not a single picture of anyone else, unless they happened to be there by accident. but the pictures she showed me were dazzlingly beautiful. she is one of the most photogenic people i have ever met. i mean, she's pretty in real life, but these pictures were down right model quality. she looked like one of those thai soap opera stars, or at least the ones you see in the ads on the bts. and these were not even photshopped or glamour shots, they were just regular pictures. in fact, i could not even recognize her in many of them.

she shows me some pictures of her in singapore, and i ask her how many times she's been there. she said 3 times with her former boyfriend. hmm, interesting. i didn't put it together right then, but the next day as i stepped onto the bts this suddenly clicked. the previous night she had said that she thinks i look part indian and part chinese. an odd combination, i thought at the time, but not if you are from singapore. she then tells me that she went to singapore with this boyfriend, and while they were there, she wanted to buy this shirt (and she showed me a picture of the shirt!) , and he refused. he refused to buy her the shirt, which on her telling of the story, cost a mere $23. what a cheap charlie, eh? she scrunched her face and said 'he chinese, no like to buy things for me. ' ok, racist stereotypes aside, her scrunched up face was really quite cute. she says at that point, she decided that she could not be with this man, and she broke it off. on the basis of a $23 shirt.

now, i'm sure this is not the whole story. like, she forgot the mention the part about the guy giving her an all-expense paid trip to singapore, with probably lots of shopping and sight seeing, and this was the final straw, after she bought the entire city's stock of shoes and dresses, this pathetic little $23 shirt.

i will write up the realizations i have one day when i have a little more time to think about them, but they basically revolve around the buddha principle. i shall return to this soon.

anyway, there we were, looking at her photos, with the red thong in the edge of my line of vision teasing me. wtf, i put my hand on her thigh and squeezed it. mmmmmm, buttery soft skin, firm muscle and flesh beneath, and little kumbu gives out a little squirt of pre-cum. she gets up and walks away slowly, with her hand covering part of her ass. why, i ask, and she turns her head and giggles as turns the corner to go shower.

last time she was very careful to not let us shower together, and to not even let me see her in the shower. this time she left the door open, so i poked me head around the corner to watch. she was lathering pretty well, which pleased this hygiene-conscious monger plenty. she saw me, pumped some soap into her hand and lathered like crazy, the slapped it onto her butt and stuck her butt out of the shower door. i grabbed the suds (actually, the ass) , and she giggled, wiggled, and retracted. this was all fun and jokes.

she popped out, gave me my signal, and helped me undress. as i dropped my boxers, she gave little kumbu a gentle caress, and a blow kiss, and sent me on my way. i showered and came out, and we lay down on the bed to chat for a while, ease the tension.

the sex began in much the same way as before: kissing her neck and shoulders. once again, she offered her back, which i gladly took, but then as i approached her butt, i turned her over and decided to go for daty. her pussy was trimmed, which is a plus and a minus. the plus is that it looks great, and you won't get a hairball as you run your tongue everywhere. the negative is that it rubs my lips and tongue and they tend to get raw. but when duty calls, i answer.

her pussy was actually very small and compact. her labia were small, tight little things, with the clit tucked away nice and neat. overall, it was small, cute, neat and very efficient. i started at the top, above the pubic hair, and kissed all around without touching the sensitive parts. i kissed around to the thigh, then back the other way, under the leg a little, and back to the top. i then worked my way across the pubic line and right down the middle into her pussy.

sweetness filled my mouth as her scent washed over me, filling my nose and mouth and down into my throat. my tongue was flitting, but i slowly started to push down into her flesh with more pressure. i'm not sure why, but i an urge was building within me to push my tongue deep into her pussy, but i could not muster the courage to do so. so i dabbled around the edges for a while, warming up to the act, like a kid getting ready to take a plunge off the high board. i finally gathered my wits and went in. i pushed my tongue in with one solid stroke as deep as it would go, and she gasped a little and to my surprise, she grasped a handful of my hair on my head and tightened her grip. this indicated to me that all systems check, and i am cleared for take-off.

i tongue fucked her for a few moments, just about as long as my tongue muscles allowed before they started to cramp up. i got a full on cramp in the base of my tongue, which was really painful, so i had to switch to lip action for a few moments as the cramp subsided. once it did, i was ready to go and started work on her clit. i could get under the hood with my tongue, but it required some work. and that little critter kept snuggling back inside the blanket, making sustained pressure a tough haul. but i kept at it for a long, long time, and eventually she did a little back arch and let some air out. i was not sure if this was an orgasm or just a plateau before orgasm, so i continued. several minutes later (which is a long time when your are in such a position) , she repeated the back arch and air gasp, only with much more vigor. she then let go of my hair, suggesting she was done, and i slowly pulled back and climbed back up to her neck, where she whispered 'you make me cum. ' that's when i knew if was a fake orgasm.

ah well. she then reached for the condom and slipped it on me, and turned over and said 'i like it doggie style'. but she was not in doggie position, she was on her side, with one leg pointing forward, the other pointing behind her, with her pussy gaping. that ain't doggie, but dang, i'll take it. so i got on my knees and inserted little kumbu into the den of pleasure, and i started howling like a mad wolf on a full moon's night.

again, she was very tight, far tighter than i can handle, and so the actual coitus was not terribly long. we went at it for 1-2 minutes before i felt the lifting of the seas, and so i pushed her onto her stomach so i could enter her fully from the backside. she was lying there with her ass opened up, and i stuck little kumbu into her pussy and started pounding away. my finger slowly rubbed her asshole, and the asshole-rubbing pushed me over the edge. the orgasm was uneventful and rather insipid, but it ended things for the night.

jump up, shower, then her turn, clothes on, paid her 1000b, and off she went. so for two nights then, she did st for a total of 3000b. i would say that math ain't too shabby.

Out on the prowl late tonight (Mon night Tues morning). First stop Suzie Wong. Line-up was very thin. Its the worst possible day. Apparently girls got paid their monthly salary previous day. Hence few turned up for work today. Noo Dee worked but well gone already.

One girl had a reasonable body and face okay but just looked too shy even though completely naked.

Crossed the road to Dolls' House. Upstairs no talent so looked downstairs. One girl had a very nice slim figure with super ass. No. 42. However in the second set I liked a girl with a pretty face. Later realised she looked almost just like an ex-GF. Body was not as good as 42 but still good curves and reasonably sized natural tits. Called her over and found out she was Rut (rhymes with hut) from Ubon. Aged 31, I could not believe but saw the I'd card. Baby faced with teeth braces looked about 22 at the most. Took Rut for short time. She asked for 2K. She was a little bit Dingk Dong in a fun way. Tried my glasses on and got me to take some pics. I suggested she looked like my "Leh-khaa" (secretary) and she replied "Lia-khaa" which means "lick the leg". So I could tell she was a bit "Tha-leung" (naughty). We showered together so she was not too shy.

On the bed soon found out she likes dick and DATY, and was rather active. She warned me "not too much gel" as she likes the friction. She turned out to be a fabulous fucker. Claimed to have a 6 year old daughter but no stretch marks to be seen at all. Tits having a slight motherly sag. She would often take the initiative and change to a different position and wobble her ass and pussy around just great. The sex was really superb and I was not keen for it to finish too quickly.

Afterwards she left she keep complaining her legs were weak now as we walked. All round a really fun girl and we got on just great. Definitely a girl to be repeated. Don't know her number as she was facing the wrong way when dancing, but one of the girls not taking off her bra and knickers to dance. Very cute face in a Farang type of style. She admits that only Farangs like her and she prefers Farangs too. Skin just a little darker than mine as would expect for Ubon girls. Her hair had a bit of decorative braiding / platting in just one side. That would be her trademark.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1455175]Very cute face in a Farang type of style. She admits that only Farangs like her and she prefers Farangs too. Skin just a little darker than mine as would expect for Ubon girls. Her hair had a bit of decorative braiding / platting in just one side. That would be her trademark.[/QUOTE]Not a myth guys. There is a difference in farang style girls and Asian style girls. The girls know it and so do I. LOL. The guys don't want to admit it though. LOL.

Syg likes farang style girls so it's not hard to understand why he doesn't like the 1st floor Baccarra hot girls. LOL.

I may have to try out Tilac as I do see activity in there. My only hesitation is I think its a farang style joint.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1452409]Following is some info on the subject that may interest ISG readers:

". The Thai Immigration law is that all foreigners must have on them (meaning on their physical person) proof of identity and legal status to be in country. In most all cases for non-Thai nationals this is your passport.

The Law also requires Thai to carry I. D card at all times.

[url]http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g293915-i3686-k3955575-Carrying_your_passport-Thailand.html[/url]

There is a law in Thailand which says everybody, Thai or foreign, must carry identification. Thais are issued with an I. D card which includes a photo which they are obliged to carry with them at all times. For tourists, a passport will be the most obvious form of I. D, but other forms of photo I. D may be accepted depending on the circumstances...[/QUOTE]Dude, you should fully chill. One thing about Thailand is the enforcement of the law by agents of the state is completely arbitrary. If you think having your passport on your person will protect you from police doing whatever they want to do to you then it doesn't reflect reality. Sure it'd be awesome if the police actually followed the law but they don't. It's actually no use arguing that we should observe the law in a corrupt third world country beyond the bare minimum and there are actually good reasons not to at times.

If you're freaked out and need to do so then fine but the rest of us are fine with not doing so to our advantage. You should leave it at theat.

I can vouch for his scale. Let me put it this way, I would happily follow him and get his scraps. I owe this man a few drinks thanks to his great scale.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1454712]Well for Gods sake what is wrong with having an own "personal scale of beauty"? Maby I missed something but as someone so cleverly put it here (not you Harold) beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. My "rating system" works fine for me and I put it out here some months ago as well so no need for a repeat. I could not care less if my "personal scale of beauty" does not cater everyone elses taste as I pretty much know what I crave for and it has a lot to do with time and place so to speak (as long as they are asians, hehe).[/QUOTE]

This is a short report (I know, haha) before I go out tonight, based upon some leg work from the night before.

You know how we have these ingrained ideas about how Japanese men prefer X kind of girl and falang men prefer Y kind, and Arab men prefer Z? It goes something like: women with peroxide curly hair are for the Japanese, and women with dark skin are for the falang, and Arab men like 'em plus sized. Well, I encountered two things today related to this notion. The first adds to it, while the second perhaps dents it a little (or at the very least makes it more complex).

I got off work at around 8pm (ended up being a 12 hour work day, not 13, so that was pleasant) , and got off the Nana BTS a little disoriented. Not sure why, but I felt like taking a gander at the Arab quarter, to check out the meat on display outside Grace Hotel. The last time I was in BKK I marveled at how blatant the rotund-shaped girls would stand out there propositioning men in full Islamic garb, and how often I saw them wandering off into the bushes that are Grace Hotel. I wanted an update, and I felt like looking rudely at the meat. I was really tired and not thinking straight (I made mistake after mistake last night, when I have time, I will tell you about it).

As I approached, I could see the bell shaped lasses from afar, but in a little sub soi before the hotel, there were 6-7 girls hunkered down, taking shelter behind a wall, awaiting the flood of sandal-wood scented men (I suspect from night prayers). What I noticed was that of the six or so girls there, about 4-5 had dead straight black hair with cute bangs, China Girl style. Oooooh, the Arabs come to BKK to bang China Girls, interesting. They were still on the heavy side, but it isn't all about the chunk for these guys. So that's the part that doesn't break a stereotype, it just adds an interesting layer.

As I walked past Grace Hotel, a white-skinned 300 pounder made a lunge for me, and I shrieked like a girl and ran into the street. That's it, I am not man enough for this side of town, I need to stick to the civilization that is NEP.

I trudged back to NEP and hit several gogo bars. I first went to Rainbow 1 looking for a young cutie that I had spied the night before with a wonderful ISG member that I met up with. I will report on that soon, because it demands a detailed report. But I went back to look for her tonight, to no avail: she was not there. I hit several other places, and then decided to look at the 3rd floor.

There is a place on the 3rd floor which used to be called Carousel. Sorry, the name is blanking on me right now, but when you enter NEP, turn left up the stairs, then up the next set of stairs, turn the corner and it is the first place on your left.

It is large, with a bathtub on the left side (that's new) , and the same old carousel stage on the right. I sat on the bleachers, and sipped my Heineken. Anyway, I got there at 11pm, and the show was about t start, so that perked me up.

The show was aaaaaaaaaful. I mean, it was really, really terrible. The girls were utterly uncoordinated, they kept bumping into each other, they missed their steps and their turns, it was painful to watch. The girls themselves were cuteish, but certainly not enough to make up for the bad show. And then the second act was a part trannie act: one member of the two "girl" team was an obvious trannie. So those of you who get really, really angry at the mere thought of trannies, then avoid this place, especially the show. And the trannie wasnot any better of a dancer, so I don't get why she was there.

Anyway, I started making looksies with a really attractive girl. She had a pretty face, with wide hips and sexy, shapely long legs. When she turned around I saw an ass that made me cry, and not in the good way. It was all, how do I say this, I guess it was all "centralized". I mean, the meat was concentrated right in the middle and towards the bottom of her ass, kind of like the stump on a doberman whose tail was cut off at birth, but not so pronounced. Yikes. But I was pretty fatigued and did not know what I was doing, so I let this pass and kept making eyes with her.

But after a few minutes of this, she lost interest in me entirely. I figured she wanted to get off stage and get a drink, so I tried to get her attention to do just that, but she was not looking my way. Then I saw that she had snagged a Korean dude, well dressed, slightly pudgy, thick glasses, and ripe for the taking. Oh well, your ass is like a dog's tail, who wants you anyway? (me)

So I got out of there. On my way down, half inebriated, fully exhausted, I stopped in on Ecstasy (name?). This place is on the landing between the 2nd floor and 3rd floor. It's a small gogo bar, with two seating areas, I was ushered to the one right beneath the humungous 10, 000W speaker. BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM-BOOM. I was too tired to argue, and plunked myself down.

I noticed three very interesting things.

First, the girls in here were mostly heavy. They had legs that were thick, thick, thick, and asses that put the slenderness of the legs to shame. In fact, they were so thick they were even too thick for old Kumbu. Yeah, THAT thick. I saw one girl who had such thickness about her I just laughed out loud, I could not help myself. And their faces didn't really make up for it. But if you like thick girls, I highly recommend this place.

Second, after that first observation, I noticed that there were perhaps 20 men in there. Of those twenty. 3 were falang, and then there was me, and the rest were Japanese. Yes, Japanese. They were eating this thick soup right up. So this is why my post begins with the notion of stereotypes of different kinds of men. The Japanese are famous for wanting the slim peroxide girls, but these girls were anything but slim. Well, they were indeed peroxide, all of them, to a girl, so maybe that's the key.

And third, and perhaps most interesting, was that the owner looked to be a Japanese dude. He looked almost as tired as me, but there he was in his salmon polo shirt, watching his brethren partake in the thickness of Bangkok. He obviously knows there is a market for this in Japan, and he is catering to it.

So before you decide that you know how the world works, take a look at this gogo bar and tell me if my fatigue blurred my senses, or if that was just a fluke of the night, or if it is genuinely the stereotype-breaker.

I agree with you there. I am a "Falang" and only go for the light skinned busty cuties, not necessarily need them to be peroxided out. Therefore at times I have to try and outwit outpay or outlast the nippons. Lucky for me I'm young and "hamsum", so I get looks my way.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1455483]This is a short report (I know, haha) before I go out tonight, based upon some leg work from the night before.

You know how we have these ingrained ideas about how Japanese men prefer X kind of girl and falang men prefer Y kind, and Arab men prefer Z? It goes something like: women with peroxide curly hair are for the Japanese, and women with dark skin are for the falang, and Arab men like 'them plus sized. Well, I encountered two things today related to this notion. The first adds to it, while the second perhaps dents it a little (or at the very least makes it more.[/QUOTE]

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Baccarra raised drink prices 20 baht. It's now 180 baht. Greedy Thais. LOL. I'm still in!

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1455348]Dude, you should fully chill. One thing about Thailand is the enforcement of the law by agents of the state is completely arbitrary. If you think having your passport on your person will protect you from police doing whatever they want to do to you then it doesn't reflect reality. Sure it'd be awesome if the police actually followed the law but they don't. It's actually no use arguing that we should observe the law in a corrupt third world country beyond the bare minimum and there are actually good reasons not to at times.

If you're freaked out and need to do so then fine but the rest of us are fine with not doing so to our advantage. You should leave it at theat.[/QUOTE]The fact is people have been carted off to a Thai police station & jailed for not having their passport on them. If you want to take that chance, be their guest.

There is no reason to believe the cops who took these people into custody would have had a legitimate reason to do so if they had their passports on them. If they are honest Buddha fearing cops they wouldn't arrest you for no reason.

It's an easy simple thing to carry my passport with me. Like putting on my trousers, bringing cash, wearing a seat belt & having medical insurance when I travel. Therefore no freaking required, because I'm protected. Are you.

Do what you want, good luck, & you're welcome, I'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1455792]Baccarra raised drink prices 20 baht. It's now 180 baht. Greedy Thais. LOL. I'm still in![/QUOTE]I noticed that last night too! By the way, in BKK for a few more nights. If anyone wants to meet up, please pm me.

this is a report from saturday, in which i detail some ups and downs in the gogo bars. no sex in this report, just descriptions of things that happen to a monger in this great city. my next report tells of the sexual escapades that happened after this portion of my night.

i had to work most of the day, and the exhaustions of late night tramping was catching up to me. at work the office girls' whispers were unusually blatant, with the glances and giggles at an all time high. that's ok, in the six years i have been working this gig, i have yet to bed one of these little cuties, and that record shall remain unblemished. advice from my father is usually not about mongering or sex, but he once told me that even a dog does not shit in its own bed. that applies here for sure.

but they are nice to look at, and even better to flirt with. flirting with a thai office girl is very, very different from flirting with an american girl of any kind. it is waaaaay more subtle. if anything remotely suggestive is actually said, it would be major face loss, big faux pas. but it is interesting. when i look up from my computer, there will be a sexy, sly, pair of eyes greeting me through curls of face-veiling hair, for just a moment, and then gone. when i'm at the coffee bar, there will be a cutie in a tight dress hanging around for no apparent reason, just out of conversation range. and when i walk past a group of three girls chatting, their tone hushes ever so slightly, even though they know i don't understand thai, along with mild, shifting of postures. some of this is surely in my own head, a figment of my own wishful thinking, but what the hell. couple that with the fact that thai girls are just so well built, and they wear such well-selected clothes to highlight their attributes (legs, ass, waist, face, whatever) , it is at times teeth-grindingly unbearable.

and my point is that this is part of the allure of bkk. there is a day-long grind at work, which has overtones of subtle sexual teasing. and so by the time the end of the day rolls around, i am so fucking primed it is not remotely funny. i want to sink my teeth into a tight thai lady with a tighter little skirt with sexy toned legs and cute large oval eyes while she says 'fuck me, kaa'. for the record, that has never happened.

as i boarded the skytrain at 6:30pm, i got an sms from the skinny model from the night before. she asked if i had a nice day, and said her friend (legs) was coming to climax tonight, will i be there, and will i take her? i said, yes, yes, and damn straight. so my night was taking shape, and i could not be more pleased. i had been thinking about that girl with legs for the last two days, and i'm glad things might finally work out. i think the skinny one was intimating that i should be loyal to her and reject leggy, but you know what? i've done her twice now, and there was no major connection, so no need to linger.

grabbed dinner at a coffee shop on soi 11, and tripped over to nep, around 9pm. on the way, i decided to run the gauntlet of suk because i needed some espresso from starbucks. as i walked past the lbs, they were less interested in me tonight, which was good, but the african ladies saw me and their eyes opened wide. one of them sees her prey, scrawny, weak and separated from the herd. 'hallo darling. come i tell you something' as she grabs my arm. again with the vice grip, she grabbed my pencil thin wrist with a grip that immediately cut off all circulation to my hand. wow, what the hell kind of strength does this lady have? i looked down at my wrist to see if it was purple yet, and to my horror i saw that she was holding my wrist with two fingers and a thumb. i mean, it wasn't even a full five finger grab, just a 2+thumb! i felt my manhood shrink a little, as she insisted that i come with her, just to talk. i said no thanks, i appreciate your very kind offer you sweet, lovely lady, but no thanks, no, no, no! and i yanked my wrist away and quick footed-myself away from harms way. oh why do they pick on poor kumbu?

stood in line at starbucks behind an african gentleman dressed like he was a player. he had a semi-formal sleeved shirt on, dark blue slacks, and good shoes: not your usual fair for most people in bkk at 10pm. he ordered a double decaf latte, which was a little odd for someone planning a jaunt through sex town, so maybe he was done with his escapades. when he had to pay, he pulls out a fucking brick of thousand baht notes, peels one off and hands it over to the wide-eyed cashier. my turn, at the last minute i decided on a triple red eye, and i just could not get them to understand that i did not want an americano. so finally i explain it to them step-by-step, and eventually we all agree to the plan: three shots of espresso into a short coffee cup, and then topped up with coffee, not water. and the barista proceeds to make a triple-shot americano. hmmm.

i took my weak-ass triple americano and sat a seat away from the african guy, and noticed that he was genuinely african, not american or european (based upon his accent and the style of his clothes). what's more, he had a bulge in his pocket that was not from the wad of thousands he was carrying. i mean, it was shamelessly blatant: a fucking tent was being pitched in his pants, right there in starbucks. hmm, is he beginning his jaunt or ending it? he didn't strike me as the pimp type, so i don't think he was connected to the strong grabby ladies outside, but i never did figure out what his story was because i downed my americano and high tailed it across the street to nep.

i dropped by r4 (very disappointed) , then angelwitch, where i was propositioned by the bubbly waitress with thick-framed glasses and a dancer with an under-bite that boggled my eyes. not even remotely interested. the show was already going, and i spied a dancer who, for me, was just superb. she had large tits, perhaps b / c, completely natural (obvious from how she moved) , solid legs and ass, and a face that just mesmerized. the next night i returned with bluey (an isg member who asked to remain anonymous) , and we commented on how she looks a little like a young linda carter (bluey: that's her name!). but she's a dancer, which means she is either not for bfing, or would cost so much that only that african gentleman with a brick in his pants (right next to the tent pole) could afford her. the waitress and under-bite kept hassling me, and so i bailed.

i then went to r3 and spied a really sexy girl with a shapely, round ass, thick legs, but a very, very sexy face. she had a wonderful little smile, with small little teeth and wide, large eyes. her face was a little oval, with large full cheeks. she was a very cute girl, but i was not in the mood to deal with the gogo girl haggling, so i decided to just cool my heels. we made eyes for a moment or two, long enough for her to take note of me. her face had this expression like she was somewhat uninterested, and i wasn't sure if that was her normal expression, or if her disinterest was aimed at being in a gogo bar, or at me in particular. the vibe was odd. she would occasionally look my way, but not in the 'come hither' kind of way. but i decided that there is no other way to figure this out other than talking with her, because she was definitely a bedable specimen. so i asked a waitress to get her for me, she came down, and we chatted. she was nice, she smiled at the right times, she asked the right questions, she nodded and agreed in the right ways, but there just wasn't anything there to hang my hat on. she was definitely not into me, and i know better than to force the issue. taking a girl who is less than enthusiastic will lead to a less than enthusiastic experience. so i decided to give her a tip of 100b and told her i would be back tomorrow. the tip was for me to stick in her memory, and perhaps if i return, the chemistry would be better. preview: this did not work at all. she was just not into me, and i am so glad i did not pull that trigger.

trotted over to r1 (hitting all the rainbow joints tonight, not by intention though). i sat down and was faced with a line of jiggling hopping enthusiastic leggy gals. i liked this line up. i spied 2 or 3 girls who were kumbu worthy, so i settled in and switched on the analytical gaze. girl #1 was tall, slender, but with a face that was a little scrunched up. it was too compact in a vertical dimension, so the mouth was too close to the nose, and the eyes were too low, and her forehead was too big. the rest of her was rather stupendously good, but i just couldn't get past that crowded face. off my list.

girl #2 was again tall, with peroxide hair (uh-oh) , and a face with very classically beautiful features. she had a pert nose (not the large implant or the flat broad nose) , with large, oval eyes and fake eyelashes. her mouth was small and pert, and i suspect she harbored a mouth full of steel. her arms were long and slender, and her legs were similarly proportioned. i generally prefer some meat on the bones, but there was something about how she was moving which caught the eye, and i couldn't let it go. she turned a little and i saw her hips. wow, these were large, round hips, with very little meat on them, and so that was pure child-bearing treasure right there. but then i noticed the space. oh the space, why the space? why spoil such a good thing with the space?

her hips were superb, but the space between her hips and her breasts was just, well, too long. her belly was flat as a pancake but it was spread out over three times as much real-estate as it should be. so she looked like she had been stretched out right in her midsection, and no where else. i closed my eyes and shook my head to kind of reset my vision, and opened my eyes again on the hope that on a fresh look it would not look so awkward. but the second look was even worse: she was such a gorgeous woman, but unfortunately her gorgeousness was split across two halves that were separated by a chasm of flat belly flesh. so i crossed her off the list too.

finally, girl #3, was downright pulling her eyeballs out of her head and throwing them at me. she was doing the stripper squat at the pole in front of me, baring her braces in full glory to me, tilting her head and winking. i mean she was not holding anything back. she had dark hair, braces, a pretty face, and legs that kumbu simply adored. i mean, they were slender but very, very shapely, and she moved ever so well. her hips gyrated with great adroitness and her butt, while a bit smaller than i like, was still plenty substantial to satisfy these most supremely grubby hands.

so i pulled her down for a discussion of terms. when i did that, she squealed like she had won a prize and high fived her friend and skittered across the stage to come down. as she did this, i noticed the isaan toes. ugh. isaan toes are a common feature in gogo girl workers, and i'm afraid i find it rather unpleasant. specifically, some of the girls wear big, high-heeled shoes when they dance, and due to simple physics, this pushes their feet forward into the shoe. as a result, their toes hang out over the front of the shoe, sometimes the pinkie and maybe the second toe will hang out to the side, sometimes all five toes will stick out.

for whatever reason, i find this a major turn off. i can't explain it, and i am a little ashamed to even try because it will come off as really disrespectful and crude. ok, i don't really mean to compare these girls to animals, and i hate it when people do that, but in this particular respect, this particular phenomenon reminds me of, well, the feet of a hippopotamus. i know, a hippo probably has a hoof, and truth be told, i probably couldn't pick out a hippo hoof from a police line up, but somehow that idea got into my mind a few years ago when i first saw it, and i can't shake it. the upside is that every time i visit the zoo with my kid, i get a slight boner at the hippo exhibit.

as i tried to rinse the hippo image out of my mind with a few swigs of heineken, she arrived, all giddy and smiley. first, her skin was an odd color. up close, it had a subtle purplish tone. odd, i know. but that's ok. her demeanor was superb: she was giggly and playful and she chatted freely and she looked me in the eye, and she leaned in when she needed to. things were going swimmingly, until i noticed her lips.

her lower lip was fine. i mean, it was a little thin, but it was fine. her upper lip, however, was a distraction. everything she said was a blur because i could not stop looking at that lip. first of all, she had a little ronnie going on, which was not helping at all. but more importantly, her lip was in a constant state of flex, meaning it protruded out of her face perpendicular to her teeth, in a flat shallow plane. this happened not when she smiled or when she was listening but only when she talked. my guess is that it had something to do with the braces. do lips get caught in braces? i guess. she was talking a lot right then, and that's all i could see. i could not bear it any more, and i just wanted the lip to stop doing that, and i did not know how to make it stop.

and so i looked away from her as she talked. i just looked off to the base of the stage, no where in particular, just to get my gaze away from the lip. and now that i think about it, that was a pretty cruel thing to do. and as evidence of this cruelty, i heard her speech rate slow as she noticed this, and her talking slowly petered out. what a shitty way for me to behave, and i immediately felt shame. she did not deserve to be disrespected by kumbu, or anyone else, and especially because of something as trivial as the positioning of her upper lip. i'm sure she's used to being disrespected, and in the scheme of things this is not going to affect her life one bit. but still, it was needless of me. i must repent somehow.

but shamed as i was, i was in no position to bf her, that's for sure. the isaan toes, plus the horizontal upper lip were enough to kill this deal, and i had to get out of there. so i did the lowest thing available to me: i lied. i began the exit move, telling her about how i had to meet my friend, and how i would love to bf her, but cannot today. not my classiest moment, but sometimes one does things they are not proud of. calling my lie for what it was, she says to me, 'i know: you come back tomorrow. it's ok. ' in other words, 'i've heard all of this before. ' to assuage my guilt, i popped her a 100, patted her on her supremely sexy knee and walked out with my tail between my legs. as i walked past the curtain and into the humidity outside, i thought to myself, 'kumbu, you spoiled, spoiled shit. '

it was getting late now, approaching midnight. i needed to meet my leggy friend at climax at 12:30, and i did not feel like hitting another gogo bar that night, so i walked the streets, trying to avoid human contact as best i could. i walked up soi 5, or maybe it was 7, all the way to the end where it turns left and to the benjana (?) hotel, and then back down the other side. there were precious few people up those sides, and i enjoyed the solace of pounding the pavement. the rhythm of the walking and the quiet of the midnight air soothed me and relaxed me, and i began to purge the negativity and self-loathing that had built up over the last few hours. i got back to suk and tried to get a motocy to take me back to my hotel on soi 11, which ordinarily costs 30b from that spot. he said 'sii sip baht. ' on another night i would have just agreed, but tonight i was feeling a little pissed off with myself and the world, so i said to the greedy bastard, with a straight face 'may your progeny be cursed with undescended testicles'.

'arai na? '

i turned and walked off, and back up soi 11 to my hotel for a shower and a red bull before hitting climax.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1455908]The fact is people have been carted off to a Thai police station & jailed for not having their passport on them. If you want to take that chance, be their guest.

There is no reason to believe the cops who took these people into custody would have had a legitimate reason to do so if they had their passports on them. If they are honest Buddha fearing cops they wouldn't arrest you for no reason.

It's an easy simple thing to carry my passport with me. Like putting on my trousers, bringing cash, wearing a seat belt & having medical insurance when I travel. Therefore no freaking required, because I'm protected. Are you.

Do what you want, good luck, & you're welcome, I'll leave it at that.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that when you go to the soapies and the gogo house and the chatuchak market you carry your passport with you? You must be freaking.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1455908]The fact is people have been carted off to a Thai police station & jailed for not having their passport on them. If you want to take that chance, be their guest.

There is no reason to believe the cops who took these people into custody would have had a legitimate reason to do so if they had their passports on them. If they are honest Buddha fearing cops they wouldn't arrest you for no reason.

It's an easy simple thing to carry my passport with me. Like putting on my trousers, bringing cash, wearing a seat belt & having medical insurance when I travel. Therefore no freaking required, because I'm protected. Are you.

Do what you want, good luck, & you're welcome, I'll leave it at that.[/QUOTE]What is to stop the police from planting yaba in your pockets and shaking you down? What is to protect you from the police from taking your passport and pretending you never had it? What is to protect you from the police doing anything they want to you? Nothing. I don't have any illusions about what Thailand is, a corrupt feudal plutocracy. I feel a lot of sadness for thais having to live with this system and keep on smiling. I'm simply saying that whatever protection you think you have is illusory because the only law here is that might is right.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1454974]We are bless to now have a few more Hemingway writers / contributors: in addition to Syzgies, FreebieFan, Nic, we now have Sir Lancelot, Skogis and most recent Kumbu. If I missed anyone, not intentional ;)[/QUOTE]LOL T1234. I am not a writer. I produce only near English. Its just a string of miscellaneous notes or info dump or aspects to ponder. I'm too lazy to even try to write well, and I prefer Nic as he is entertainingly amusing when he is an expansive mood, albeit a bit infrequently these days. A true story teller, without senseless raving!

[QUOTE=Eadam;1454288]So I've spent 2 nights in BKK already without getting laid. Must be some kind of record.[/QUOTE]No, no. Not at all. I have been longer, when GF on the rag, or have been sick. In any case, scanning back through the last most recent few pages of this thread, it seems that hardly anyone is getting laid, except you, me, and maybe one other. Reports of actual sex occurring seem very few and far between and there is lots of other not strictly mongering topics like passports, the price of drinks, a 10 baht difference in a motorcycle price in a Farang oriented district, what makes girls beautiful, etc. So when you finally get layed (or is it laid) , it's really a great relief. There should be more of it. I haven't got laid today yet! Better do something to rectify shortly! Can't remember if my last one was yesterday or the day before.

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1455348]Dude, you should fully chill. One thing about Thailand is the enforcement of the law by agents of the state is completely arbitrary. If you think having your passport on your person will protect you from police doing whatever they want to do to you then it doesn't reflect reality. Sure it'd be awesome if the police actually followed the law but they don't. It's actually no use arguing that we should observe the law in a corrupt third world country beyond the bare minimum and there are actually good reasons not to at times.

If you're freaked out and need to do so then fine but the rest of us are fine with not doing so to our advantage. You should leave it at theat.[/QUOTE]Actually, it's been my experience that the cops do not frame people. Yes, it is arbitrary whether they will actually "charge" you with a crime or even decide who to pull over. However, from what I've seen and experienced, they only get you if you're technically breaking the law.

For example, no helmet, no international drivers permit, no seat belt, the list goes on. Sure, in tourist areas, they may not stop Thais for obviously breaking the same laws, but for the foreigners, I've only seen they actually charge you with a real citation or bribe if you're actually breaking some law. Even then, they may not. For example, I've been stopped without a passport or IPD and been let go. I gave him my California driver's license and he said something to the effect of,"Well, you are wearing your helmet so go on."

Likewise, I've been stopped with my passport and California drivers license, but without an IDP, and had to pay the 200 baht fine.

But I, and many others I know, have been stopped and not had to pay anything as long as I had a helmet, had a driver's license, had an IDP, and had my passport. There are simply too many people breaking some law that it's easy for them to move on to the next guy.

So again, it's arbitrary enforcement of the laws, but I've not seen any actual framing to get tea money.

Having said that, I too do not carry my passport everywhere. Yes, it is theoretically possible that a cop will randomly search me and send me off the prison, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, knock on wood.

[QUOTE=RBDave;1456053]Having said that, I too do not carry my passport everywhere. Yes, it is theoretically possible that a cop will randomly search me and send me off the prison, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, knock on wood.[/QUOTE]Not to anyone in particular, but PP said he would leave it that. Saathu!

Hopefully this topic is now done to death, and we can all get back to mongering. Normally the General Thread is preferred for non-mongering topics. Yes I know I am not the moderator. Just a personal opinion.

VIP report.

Took a girl. OK oil massage. Then the fireworks started. All bad. 3 strike and you are out!

To reward girl for decent massage I decided to go for sexual activity.

1. A stomach covered with some kind of Samoan warrior tatto. Covered half the midsection. This alone, if I knew I wouldn't have chosen this girl.

2. The panties came off and I thought I was in India or Sri Lanka. LOL.

3. The least horrifying, boobs in bra looked kind of odd. Bra cums off and it was OMG, one boob looked ok. The other one looked deflated like a flat tire. LOL.

Out of the last 10 girls I've chosen only been ok with 2. Don't think ill ever find a girl I want to do 150 sessions with again ever in my life. That was just one of those things. Just unexplainable how I clicked with that girl.

One bad drawback about MPs is you just have no idea what the body looks like. I'm disappointed more often than not.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456044]LOL T1234. I am not a writer.[/QUOTE]Actually you're not a Hemingway, more like the famous Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione ;)

Sorry we missed each other this time around....

[QUOTE=RBDave;1456053]Having said that, I too do not carry my passport everywhere. Yes, it is theoretically possible that a cop will randomly search me and send me off the prison, but that's a risk I'm willing to take, knock on wood.[/QUOTE]Right, carrying your passport everywhere seems a bit paranoid and also carries a risk in itself (would you like to lose it along with your wallet to a pickpocket?). A simple photocopy in the wallet and the original looked up safely works for me. In the unlikely event that somebody with authority will demand to see my passport (come on, how often does this happen) I will show the copy and offer to retrieve the original for their perusal, should they require that.

It was back in about 2005, I was in a small room upstairs in massage place in Mong Kok, HK with a girl when the door was suddenly busted open. 2 mean plainclothed HK police busted in, staring at me and the girl. Luckily the girl had just arrived and we still had our clothes on.

He checked the girl's paper, which was OK, then he asked me for my passport. I carried a copy in my pocket just for this purpose. I gave him the copy but he would not look at it. I kept insisting which got him pretty mad. He was turning red in the face and started yelling at me to produce the original or he would cuff and take me to the station until I produce the original. Luckily I had the original passport in my back pocket, so I produced it. He let me go after warning me sternly about coming to HK to procure prostitutes.

Apparently the cops were after illegal immigrants, primarily mainland Chinese girls, who live illegally and turn tricks in HK.

I quickly walked down the stairs to get out. The stupid asshole triad gang who was guarding the door was just sitting there, smiling his stupid mea culpa smile. He was supposed alert the guys and girls fucking in those cubicles that LE is coming in, by flipping a switch to turn on all lights in the rooms. But apparently the police was familiar with this trick and prevented him from flipping the switch. If I were caught with my dick inside that girl, my naked ass would have been hauled to jail, waiting for days or weeks to see a HK magistrate for arraignment. Needless to say, I was pissed off at these stupid assholes.

After that incident I just forget about HK and went on to mainland China to meet the sweet, relaxed, beautiful mainland girls.

So carry a passport copy but also hide the original in a secured pocket, just in case you really need it.

[QUOTE=Pute Nut;1456145]Right, carrying your passport everywhere seems a bit paranoid and also carries a risk in itself (would you like to lose it along with your wallet to a pickpocket?). A simple photocopy in the wallet and the original looked up safely works for me. In the unlikely event that somebody with authority will demand to see my passport (come on, how often does this happen) I will show the copy and offer to retrieve the original for their perusal, should they require that.[/QUOTE]

Normally if I go to a gogo bar it would be about 9PM to 10PM. Today 1:20. I notice its a totally different set of customers at Suzie Wong. All the young guys. Early in the evening its the old guys like me or older still. Of course the best girls get taken early, or maybe some have returned to work already. No sign of Noo Dee the No. 1 girl for looks though. Anne with the double D implants is there however. I manage to find two of "my girls" in so I am all set quickly."Dtom", her tightness, and "Not" the very young and slim mother. Thai mother's day is coming up and Not's little one aged 3 will be putting on a show for mum. As dtom is heading for me, one of the young ones who looks like Andie Murray, tries to grab her, and talk to her, but she not understanding a word and trying to escape to get to me of course. I tell Dtom she can choose the young hansome man or me. There is no competition. I am a sure thing and he may be just fooling around.

Off we go to short time round the corner in "Asoke Place". Turns out "Not" and Dtom have never been on a double booking together and so Dtom is quite keen to molest "Not" a bit but a little unsure if Not is really into lesbian type stuff.

I get to kiss molest, DATY, and exquisitely fuck them both in various positions. Dtom has to be fucked first and she is tight and quite difficult to get in there, certainly not fully at the beginning, and so a rock hard hard-on is needed. A bit bigger pussy is a lot easier so save the bigger girls to last always just in case its starting to flag at all. No alcohol consumed so I am pretty right today. Not really likes a good licking and a good screw. She loves it and gets paid as well. What could be better. Gets drunk fairly regularly but has only had a couple tonight.

On way out about 3:45, we see Anne on her way home. She rushes back to us and turns out the objective is to hit me (not hard). Maybe she is complaining I did not BF her for 3 years. Not sure I am keen on the relatively new double D implants. She used to have a great body already.

Leaving Soi Cowboy close to 4 AM. Its amazing the number of girls waiting for a motorbike lift home, and most are in incredibly dishevelled poor condition very drunk or perhaps on Ice as well. A really ugly scene. I could not believe how bad these girls hanging at the 7eleven looked.

Pay day at SW is the 5th of each month. So never go to SW on the 6th guys. The line-up will be very poor once girls receive their monthly salary. However the line-up should be excellent on the 5th LOL.

Sneek home after 4AM. It is not known that I have been missing.

Farang style girls ve Asian style girls.

If you find yourself attracted to thai female construction girls. You have the farang style DNA.

If you find yourslef attracted to thai female office workers. You have the Asian style DNA.

A lot of farang have the asian DNA while no asian has the farang DNA. LOL. Exceptions duly noted.

Saying asians like slim with peroxide hair is just wrong. If that were the case all the slim prostitutes would have peroxidized hair. I think it has to do more with the sweetness of the face. Asians just don't like rough, hardened, leathery faces.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1455977]This is a report from Saturday, in which I detail some ups and downs in the gogo bars. No sex in this report, just descriptions of things that happen to a monger in this great city. My next report tells of the sexual escapades that happened after this portion of my night.

I had to work most of the day, and the exhaustions of late night tramping was catching up to me. At work the office girls' whispers were unusually blatant, with the glances and giggles at an all time high. That's ok, in the six years I have been working this gig, I have yet to bed one of these little cuties, and that record shall remain unblemished. Advice from my father is usually not about mongering or sex, but he once told me that even a dog does not shit in its own bed. That applies here for sure...[/QUOTE]Hey Mate,

Honestly please consider writing Fiction, I bet, it will turn into best seller, a grosser, you will not mongerer, the females will feast over you!

Cheers!

Came in a bit early and saw this new bar had an opening function a few months back.

Got myself a Singha and a stool to watch the crowd and the go go girls stream in for work.

After my fascination for watching cabin crew in airport, this would be my second fantasy.

[QUOTE=]What is to stop the police from planting yaba in your pockets and shaking you down? What is to protect you from the police from taking your passport and pretending you never had it? What is to protect you from the police doing anything they want to you? Nothing. I don't have any illusions about what Thailand is, a corrupt feudal plutocracy. I feel a lot of sadness for thais having to live with this system and keep on smiling. I'm simply saying that whatever protection you think you have is illusory because the only law here is that might is right.[/QUOTE]Wow. And people think I'm paranoid. LOL.

So your reason for not carrying a passport is there are no honest Buddha fearing cops in Thailand who would take you to the station for not having your passport? And there are no cops in Siam who would detain you for not having your passport if you were rude to them or ticked them off when they were having a bad hair day, or they felt like teaching this farang a lesson?

Dream on.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1456036]Are you saying that when you go to the soapies and the gogo house and the chatuchak market you carry your passport with you? You must be freaking.[/QUOTE]Never been.

What do you go there for? The "live animals":

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatuchak_Weekend_Market[/url]

From 07 until a year ago I travelled with a copy & left the PP at home. Now vica versa. But I like the idea of someone who posted today, to take both.

When in Angels City I generally go for outcall. Treasures are locked up or hidden.

For incall in Hongapore or Annies I keep an eye (the third one) on my jewels.

I have to ask this, but what is up with some go-go bars not allowing "darker" skinned men inside? I am an American, and I'm not Indian but one might assume that at first. I've lived in the US a vast majority of my life, and if one ever has a conversation with me. They can easily tell this guy is clearly westernized.

Last year I went to LOS for the very first time and it was an amazing trip. Pattaya was fantastic, and BKK was a lot of fun and is easily one of my favorite cities in the world. However, I did run into one "negative" situation on Soi Cowboy. I believe the bar was Rawhide, I was by myself and approaching the entrance when the guy up front put his hand out and said "members only". I had read about this somewhere else, but is this really to do with my appearance of being a non-white? I was tempted to pull out my passport and wave several thousand dollars in bahts at him and tell him "that's cool, I guess all this will somewhere else." and just walk over to one of the other locations which had no issue with me being there.

So what's the deal with this? Is it that Thai people assume that men that look Indian are either cheap, or just not their type? Yeah there are plenty of other go-go bars that will welcome me and anyone else of any color inside, but I will not lie. It does bother me a little bit when I see a bunch of people walk inside Rawhide and as I am about to walk in I'm stopped by some guy who is clearly either assuming or being told not to let people of a certain origin inside. I do not believe I had the same situation happen at any other location on Soi Cowboy or in Patpong, I visited several go-go bars in both areas.

Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated, it's easy to say treat it like a business and know that there are plenty of other places you can go to and have fun. But this type of treatment is a bit disappointing to see, especially when it happens in front of a large crowd that is mixed with tourists and expats from every corner of the world.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1453923]I'm only patronize R4 during prime-time hours. 9-11pm. Thats the context for this post.

I'm also into light skin pretty girls. It seems K is brown boy who go for non-light skin.

If Kumbus reporting of Iranian, Arab, and Indians is true. It really is the end of R4 as a Ippun bar.

I've never seen a whole lot of middle eastern types, a few Indians maybe here or there as part of a multi ethnic group.

I do see a whole lot of whites, macho Italians, old, all kinds.

If past midnight and K is seeing stages full of gorgeous beauties. I'm a monkeys uncle. Of course this is where the preference in ladies shows up. If you into farang style girls it could be true. If you are into Thai and Ippun type girls-it can't be true. LOL...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1456082]2. The panties came off and I thought I was in India or Sri Lanka. LOL.

3. The least horrifying, boobs in bra looked kind of odd. Bra cums off and it was OMG, one boob looked ok. The other one looked deflated like a flat tire. LOL.

Out of the last 10 girls I've chosen only been ok with 2. Don't think ill ever find a girl I want to do 150 sessions with again ever in my life. That was just one of those things. Just unexplainable how I clicked with that girl.

One bad drawback about MPs is you just have no idea what the body looks like. I'm disappointed more often than not.[/QUOTE]Two out of 10 is a very poor score. You have to be doing something a bit wrong or are incredibly unlucky. Maybe you want to learn a few things from others. LOL.

Firstly I collect a few super hot girls from classy Thai oriented Soapy shops, like Utopia, The Lord, or Amsterdam. Then you can have guaranteed regular good experiences with your Thai spec / DNA type girls, e. G. Chiang Rai girls seem to be my favourites if their face is not too broad or rounded and no fake nose or tits. Similarly for Oilies and bars. I find some places that consistently supply good girls, or when in doubt, repeat with a tried and true girl.

I have only tried 2 new girls in the last week. However both were great fun and sexy and definite repeat candidates.

In MPS I should ask the girls to stand up if they are seated as can gauge the body shape better. If the girl is wearing something that hides the figure too much, don't take her. (90% of time I can spot if the tits are fake despite the girl being dressed). It is harder to gauge tit sag. However with my recent Yorimichi girl, I could tell she had a great body before the clothes came off. Curves not hidden by the clothing. I admit that gogo bars where girl is completely naked has its advantages. No surprises, and can weed out a large percentage of the girls simply by body not right.

Maybe I take a bit more time to choose a girl and choose carefully. Patience sometimes needed. If a regular at certain Soapies and can trust a staff member, getting advice about the girls is possible too. At La Belle I know the papasan Oscar very well, but unfortunately his taste in girls is not like mine. He likes big tits and ass, fakes, etc. And I like slimmer. However he can still comment on the girl's service and popularity. He will say this girl gives great service. I will say, sorry she has ugly face for me. LOL. So perhaps La Belle is not my best hunting ground. Go to a place where the staff member really understands what style of girl you like.

If you are going to mention construction workers you should speak for yourself. We all have minimum standards of looks, and clearly no one is attracted to construction workers.

The girl you reviewed sounds fairly awful though. I guess she must have had at least had a great face? What shop would you find such a poor standard girl in?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456320]If you are going to mention construction workers you should speak for yourself. We all have minimum standards of looks, and clearly no one is attracted to construction workers.[/QUOTE]I am speaking for myself. The girls farangs chose for long time companionship more often than not look like your local construction worker rather than the local office girl.

It passes my eyeball test or I wouldn't say it. LOL.

I'm trying hard to read Kumboos reports but they are getting worse. I think guys say they like his report just because I say I don't. Noone wants to agree with me-even though I'm right. LOL.

Building rapport with a bargirl!

If they let you feel their niplles in the bar its almost a guarantee your short-time will be decent. LOL. Looking back all my agogo favorites let me feel them up in their bars. The one common denominator!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456320]Maybe you want to learn a few things from others. LOL.[/QUOTE]Your situation is radically different from the very vast majority of forum members in that you speak Thai. I can't compare my way of doing things in a Spanish speaking country, with how a forum member who doesn't speak a word of Spanish will operate.

Thais' involved in P4P in the LOS have no use for Indians or Indian look-a-likes, period. Well known and fully discussed. Sorry but you're SOL. Read back 100 pages.

[QUOTE=Puntz79;1456315]I have to ask this, but what is up with some go-go bars not allowing "darker" skinned men inside? I am an American, and I'm not Indian but one might assume that at first. Any insight into this would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1456320]Two out of 10 is a very poor score. You have to be doing something a bit wrong or are incredibly unlucky. Maybe you want to learn a few things from others. LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=David_33;1456502]Your situation is radically different from the very vast majority of forum members in that you speak Thai. I can't compare my way of doing things in a Spanish speaking country, with how a forum member who doesn't speak a word of Spanish will operate.[/QUOTE]Fluency in Thai does make a tremendous difference. Learning some basic polite phrases and sex related terms, which can be accomplished over the course of a trans-Pacific flight, makes a big difference. Over twenty years I made numerous trips to Thailand and thought I was pretty knowledgeable. I began reading ISG beginning of winter 2012-13 and I'm pleasantly surprised by how much I've learned from some of the other ISG members.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1456525]Fluency in Thai does make a tremendous difference. Learning some basic polite phrases and sex related terms, which can be accomplished over the course of a trans-Pacific flight, makes a big difference.[/QUOTE]Knowing Thai in Thailand helps, huh? Ya think?

Knowing a few words makes a BIG difference? Really, how is that? To make them giggle? I can do that on my own.

After sabai, sabai it's all useless sawadi-CRAP, me thinks.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1456537]Knowing Thai in Thailand helps, huh? Ya think?

Knowing a few words makes a BIG difference? Really, how is that? To make them giggle? I can do that on my own.

After sabai, sabai it's all useless sawadi-CRAP, me thinks.[/QUOTE]I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being facetious.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1456525]Fluency in Thai does make a tremendous difference.[/QUOTE]Knowing some simple terms is one thing; being fluent is another.

Syzygies is 95% fluent. You can't imagine how that helps unless you've actually seen it work in person -- as I have from years back. That's why he's got so many local GF, LOL.

And if anyone is seriously interested in learning, he created an extensive MS word document which might be available to anyone asking politely for it! :)

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1456344]I'm trying hard to read Kumboos reports but they are getting worse. I think guys say they like his report just because I say I don't. Noone wants to agree with me-even though I'm right. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well I don't try to read it all. Just sort of scan in case anything interesting. I think he is on "something" at times. I am more interested in hard clinical information / data or perhaps a good story but not too psychedelic. Normally I tempted to disagree with you on nearly everything. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1456550]I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're being facetious.[/QUOTE]No need, I'm not.

Take 20 words of Mandarin you learned on the plane and try and use them in Shanghai. Bettter yet, jump in a cab and use them. ALL you'll get is a big meter and not your destination.

And god forbid someone you approach actually thinks you actually have more than 20 words of language skills and you're immediately fucked with your mouth hangin open.

Basic Spanish 101 in Lima or Quito – Very helpful.

20 Spanish words in Tijuana makes them laugh.

20 Thai words – useless.

Whispering sabai, sabai when your sliding it into her ass – Invaluable!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1456560]That's why he's got so many local GF, LOL.[/QUOTE]You exaggerate again. I have only one GF (yes its the same one you met once. Has been off again on again) and one is really too many. Daddy07 has the right idea. No GF or missus at all. A few female friends not being fucked (at least not any longer).

Then there are all those regular paid girls which is a much better idea. At least with these you know exactly what you are getting for time and money spent.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1456344]I'm trying hard to read Kumboos reports but they are getting worse. I think guys say they like his report just because I say I don't. Noone wants to agree with me-even though I'm right. LOL.[/QUOTE]You are wrong and also appear to be intellectually challenged if you are incapable of putting someone on your ignore list. Or maybe you just enjoy complaining.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234; 1456560]Knowing some simple terms is one thing; being fluent is another.

Syzygies is 95% fluent. You can't imagine how that helps unless you've actually seen it work in person. As I have from years back. That's why he's got so many local GF, LOL.

And if anyone is seriously interested in learning, he created an extensive MS word document which might be available to anyone asking politely for it! .[/QUOTE]Syzygies is a smart man. No doubt the more time one spends in a country the more knowledge of the language helps. I can't image living in Thailand and not making it one's first priority to learn the language, oral and written. Knowing a few common phrases is helpful even if you are a tourist visiting the country for a few days. Knowing basic customs, greetings, how to ask for things and thank people leads to better relationships, better service and a more pleasant visit. Knowing or not knowing how to say hello in Thai tells the other person something about the kind of person you are.

Thanks for the tip about Syzygies's manuscript.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1456537]Knowing Thai in Thailand helps, huh? Ya think?

Knowing a few words makes a BIG difference? Really, how is that? To make them giggle? I can do that on my own.

After sabai, sabai it's all useless sawadi-CRAP, me thinks.[/QUOTE]Look I agree with you. Not much talk is really required when it comes to sex. Speaking Thai can help just a little with girls that have no English at all. That is a bit rare I think. Can be help for girls that really like talking about themselves but don't know enough English to do it properly.

However I have had a fabulous time in bed with Cuban and Latin girls that only spoke Spanish and I did not. So virtually nothing could be communicated verbally at all. Also in a noisy bar, its quite difficult to communicate due to the noise level regardless of the language at times.

I reckon guys can be just fine using English but need to just remember to keep it simple and slow if the girl's English is weak. I do find it slightly amusing when a guy is rabbiting on in his own language on something complex and it is clearly going completely over the girl's head.

When I first came to Thailand and knew little Thai, it used to be both frustrating and yet fun trying to communicate with Thai girls, with fragments of English and fragments of Thai. Back 20 years ago, the girls usually had a lot less English than what they do these days, like often almost zero English.

I was forced to learn Thai as originally spending extended time with Thai girls who could not speak English. Significant effort involved over a long period, so I don't really recommend it if you don't really have to learn it, unless you have nothing better to do with your time.

Streetwalker7: "No way is there gorgeous beauties filling the stage close to closing"

Streetwalker7 (three days later) : "I'm only patronize R4 during prime-time hours. 9-11pm"

It's not like you to have strong opinions on things you freely admit you know nothing about! It reminds me of the Harold classic:

Streetwalker7: "Pattaya is full of ugly girls. I've never been though"

Ps. I can't quote you directly and I won't see your reply as you're on my 'ignore list'. Strangely I didn't put you on it, it must be some kind of guardian angel looking over me. Thank you guardian angel.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1456585]Look I agree with you. Not much talk is really required when it comes to sex.

Significant effort involved over a long period, so I don't really recommend it if you don't really have to learn it, unless you have nothing better to do with your time.[/QUOTE]With an SW money is all you need.

The advantages of knowing a few phrases are when dealing with other aspects of a visit to Thailand. I make a point of using Thai for greetings, thank you, etcetera with people I encounter over the course of a day. Last December I spend a few weeks in a small hotel on Lang Suan. They quickly began greeting me by name and bent over backwards to exceed my expectations whenever I made a request. For example, I forgot to bring my voltage converter and asked if they had one I could borrow. They did not, but next day they delivered a box to my room that measured about a cubic foot. It converted voltage, amperage, provided clean power and surge protection. They bought it for the maintenance department but said I could use it for the duration of my stay.

Maintaining a healthy brain is an excellent reason for a fellow retiring in Thailand to learn the language. Acquiring new complex skills and mastering things like a new language are perhaps the best thing one can do to rejuvenate a brain and keep it young.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1456659]

The advantages of knowing a few phrases are when dealing with other aspects of a visit to Thailand. For example, I forgot to bring my voltage converter and asked if they had one I could borrow.[/QUOTE]You know how to ask for a voltage converter in Thai? That's very impressive.

[QUOTE=LukeSkywalker;1456175]So carry a passport copy but also hide the original in a secured pocket, just in case you really need it.[/QUOTE]Point taken, LS. But by having only unsecured pockets I have secured some fine BJs. It's a kind of risk / reward calculation and to each his own.

I think I will keep my zipper well oiled and the original (passport) in the hotel safe.

[QUOTE=David_33;1456671]You know how to ask for a voltage converter in Thai? That's very impressive.[/QUOTE]Yes. I said, "Do you have voltage converter?" The reply was, "What's that?" To which I said,"Ask someone in maintenance." Presto. Next day it appeared in my room.

In this post, I describe my experience with the Leggy Gal from Climax, along with her dick-ripping BBBJ. I also describe some troubling developments at Climax.

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I get into Climax at 12:45am on a Sat night, and it is full, although not as packed as I remembered it used to get on weekends. That's good. I walked around a little, knowing that my leggy friend and her skinny model would be in the back waiting for me. I wanted to see what else was on display.

There was plenty available. There were some stunners, but mostly regular girls. I would say that perhaps half a dozen girls I saw out of the 50 or so were Kumbu worthy. BUt after 5 minutes of this I realized that all I was doing was delaying getting my teeth into those gorgeous legs, so I spun around and pushed my way past the douche bag dancing and bumping everyone in a 20 foot radius.

The girls were there, bouncing up and down to the music. When I saw them, the leggy one smiles, but the thin one doesn't. I kissed her on the cheek anyway. As soon as I arrived they pointed to their 60% full glasses, and so we ordered drinks. We talked while waiting for the drinks, and when they arrived, something interesting happened. The waitress handed each of the girls a little ticket.

Huh?

Lady drinks in Climax? This never used to happen, but apparently now it does. I did NOT like this development. It meant girls were now incentivized to fleece us guys. A few years ago when I was active in Climax, I used to hook up with girls and after a round of drinks, they would say no to more drinks. I suspect that no longer happens. Plus those stupid bits of fried foods they cart around (chips, fried peas, etc.) for 100b, I suspect its the same deal because when I arrived, someone carrying that shit appeared promptly, the girls eagerly picked one out and then didn't even eat any of it. Later that night I asked Leggy what the deal was, and she was very undisturbed by it. She said, 'sure, Climax give tip for drink. ' How much of a tip? 15 baht. Pretty measly, considering they charge like a 1000% surcharge on drinks. In a later report I will report what the financial model for a Bacarra gogo girl are (something I learned just last night).

So as I'm getting ready to leave, the thin girl puts her hand out and says 'tip'. I said 'for what? ' and she says 'because I get my friend for you. ' Well, she did arrange the whole thing, so I asked her how much? And she said,"one hundre-" and she cuts herself off, continuing "one THOUSAND baht. ' Hah! So I took out a one hundred note and was giving it to her, and she got super pissed off at me. I mean, she grabbed my hand and shoved it back into my chest. Wow, never seen a Thai girl do that before. Wow. So I pulled out a 500 and gave it to her, thinking she'd be happy, but she bitched to her friend that I paid her only 500b. Ok. 500b for pimping her friend, I think that is unbelievably generous of me. I didn't want to sour the mood with Leggy, but come on. Well, I think that's the end of our little relationship. She kept sticking her hand out for the 1000, and I put the 500 in her palm, squeezed it tight, and said "Goodbye."

So out we go. As soon as we get into the real light, the same old thing happened. The beautiful woman in the night club changed and began to degenerate before my very eyes. She suddenly gained 30 pounds, and 7 years. I thought she was in her late twenties, but now she looked in her early-mid thirties. I had thought she was trim and tight, but she was looking to have some saddle bags. And worst of all, those fabulous legs that I had been salivating over for two days seemed to be a little too chunky. Oh dear.

I chalked it up to luck and extreme horniness, and decided to make the most of it. I suspected a mid-thirties broad (I think you have to be mid-thirties or older to be a broad) might know a thing or two and perhaps this would end in some wild sexual scene like never before. As we walked, her English also seemed to disappear. In the nightclub both tonight and previously, she had seemed eloquent and very expressive. Turns out there were a handful of very useful phrases she knew very well, but that was it. Shucks.

We get into the hotel and waltz through the lobby unobserved by the buzzing bell boys, receptionists and pseudo-managers. Once we get in, she runs into the bathroom to get some tissue because apparently she was sweating profusely, unbeknownst to me. When she reappeared I could see the sweat, dribbles all over her face. And as she approached me, I felt the heat emanating from her body a full 3 feet away. Dude, she was sweating like a cow. Wait, do cows sweat?

So I offered her a cool drink, which she gladly accepted. I offered her some refreshing naam pau, but she grabbed the Heineken, popped it open and chugged it down. I half expected her to belch as she wiped her mouth afterwards. So she murmurs something to the effect of 'I need to be drunk to do this', and when I asked for clarification, she snaps 'go shower! ' Umm, yeahhhhhh, umm, I kinda don't like, I mean it hurts my feelings when, aw fuck it, so I went to shower. As I showered the filth and stress from my body, I decided I was going to sink my teeth into those fucking legs, goddam it, I was going to get me some leg flesh, even if it meant dealing with angry, drunk, large-boned lady out there. She was in a foul mood, but goddam it, so was I. But there was only one uncivil person here, and it wasn't the non-sweating, non-beer-chugging, non-cussing, limp-dicked individual taking a shower.

I got out, and she runs passed me, barreling me over like a bull in Pamplona. She shuts the door tight, then locks it (?) , and the shower comes on. Dude, this is not good at all. Maybe it was her period? Maybe she needed a shot of meth? Who knows, but those legs awaited Kumbu-enamel. From the shower she says gently that she is shy, and so please don't peak. Well I couldn't now that the door is bolted.

She comes out, and she suddenly looked much better. Her demeanor has changed, her body seems relaxed, and she seems to have shed 5 years. She now looks in her early 30s, which is a much more respectable age for a WG, but she's smiling and seems more relaxed. She is wrapped tight in a towel, which barely covers her ginormous breasts. Holy cow: I had not even seen those bazooms, distracted as I was by her legs. My word Watson.

She sat next to me on the sofa and I looked down at her thighs. Mmmm, delicious volumes of firm meat. Tonight legs were on the menu, and Kumbu was ready to feast. So we chatted a bit, poor as her English was, and then she saunters over to the bed and climbs under the covers. She switches off all the lights, I mean it was pitch black. No, no, no, I got up and switched on some of the lights. I need to see that body.

So I snuggled into the covers next to her and we talked a bit more. As we did that, the towel around her breasts began to get loose, and it started to fall off just a little. I caught sight of nipple, and I could sense the promised land was near. Finally she stops with the yakking and she lays back a little and I hop on and take her for a ride. She felt like a solid ride, not too big but powerful and enough to get some umph out. Maybe a Ducati Monster 696?

I kissed her neck, left and right, and she smelled pretty good. I worked my way down and undid the towel with my teeth, and nuzzled into her breasts. Boing. My face bounced right back out.

I tried again to push my face into her breasts, and again, BOING.

I lifted my head and asked her 'silicone? ' and she nodded.

I did a little Seinfeld "Newman!"

So I kissed around a little, feeling the solid backing of the breast, and then wrapped my lips around the nipple, tightened as best I could and pried the nipples off their manufactored backing and started to suck them as vigorously. As fake boobies go, hers were really great. I mean, they were soft and malleable, and looked pretty damned good. But fake is fake, and it just ain't the same ramming your face into a pack of artificial chemicals. But I sucked away, just to get her motor running, so I could move on to bigger and leggier things.

I then moved down to her belly, which was remarkably flat for a big woman like this. I kissed her hips, and slipped my hand under her thigh, which felt solid, silky and absolutely fantastic. Her legs were going to be such a delight. But as I made my way southwards, I was waylaid by a pretty little pussy meowing at me out of nowhere. I had not even intended to do any DATY, but suddenly this pretty little thing was calling out to me for some attention. I may be a cold-hearted bastard, but even I cannot be cruel to cute little critters like that. And cute is the right word: it was so small, tight, and fantastically symmetrical. Her lips were tight, small and curled slightly inwards. Their color was not the more pedestrian pink or brown or purple, but a rather exotic, faint orange color. Her Bush was trimmed slightly, not to the point of being prickly, which is good.

So I did my thing, the usual Kumbu Tongue Wiggle, and she digged it I must say. She had a pert little clit that was tucked deep within the hood and I just could not jig it loose from there. It was stuck under the hood, and no matter what I did I could not gain direct access to it. So I rubbed it with my tongue from outside, and kept digging in there with my tongue, which she was really appreciating. Eventually, as she loosened up, I used my left hand to pull the skin above her pussy back to stretch the hood backward, and when I probed with my tongue tip, out popped the little clit. Hello little cutie! I poked it with my tongue and she gasped loud and quick, like this was the first time in years the little thing had seen the light of day, let along the tongue of man. Suddenly her hand was behind my head and ramming my face into her pussy with all her might. My nose bumped against her pubic bone and I lost my senses for a moment, as well as my grip on her clit, so I had to fight her thrashing to get back to where I was.

After that, it was a blur. She was a mad woman, grinding my head into her crotch like she wanted to crack my skull inside her pussy. I let her do it because, well, because it was fucking fun. I kept a grip on the foreskin to keep the clit exposed, and was now using the flat of my tongue to open-tongue massage the entire area, and she was moaning nice and loud.

I put my hands beneath her knees and her legs crooked over my hands. I then lifted her hips off the bed and in one quick swoop pulled my head beneath her hips and slapped my full tongue against her asshole from beneath, and wiped it frontwards across her asshole, then her taint, then her open pussy and finishing on her exposed clit. This was a single-motion salivating tongue-wipe of all her private parts, just like you see dogs doing to themselves (that is ambiguous: on this analogy, I intend Kumbu to be the dog, not the woman) and she ooohed very loudly. I did this 7-8 times and then got tired and went back to tonguing the clit.

About 5 minutes later, when my tongue was tiring (not cramping yet!) , she began to shudder. She flexed, pulled back, and shoved my head off to the side like a discarded piece of garbage. I flopped onto the bed next to her, my dick slapping against my belly, and I lay there wiping pussy juice from my nose, cheeks, forehead, chin and ears. And elbows and shoulders too, actually. She was a wet woman.

We lay there, silent for 5 minutes. She then turned over and smiled at me, and instead of saying something about how good I was, or complimenting my superb technique, she said 'you like to eat toot? ' I smiled. She was remarking about the move I did earlier where I one-motion licked from her asshole to the clit. Those who are able to read these long posts know all to well that Kumbu will never say no to an asshole (actually, not true: see below and tomorrow's post).

So I turn her over and gazed at her legs and ass. Her legs are super good. They are shapely, exactly the shape and proportions I like: thick but not too thick, shapely, good length calves, well toned thighs, great skin, and lovely back of the knee (don't ask). Her ass is good too, but a little bigger than I would prefer. I mean, it was just a tad jiggly, which is good at times, but it was a little out of proportion to the rest of her. This too I had not noticed in Climax. So she was a very big girl, with big fake boobs, a big natural ass, and big strong legs.

I massaged her legs a little, pressing the calves, squeezing the thighs, rubbing the hammies. I then lay my face down and rubbed my face gently into the back of her legs, and little Kumbu began to purr. I licked the back of her knee, and then up to her ass, where her butthole was exposed. But I saw some beauty marks / moles right on the buttcheeks surrounding her butthole, and wondered if they might actually be warts. Hmm, ok, better back off at this point.

Sensing my hesitation, she turns over and pushes me down onto the bed. She goes in for the BBBJ, and I lay back ready for the pleasuring. Here's where we see if the long-cited notion that older gals have skills, younger gals have looks is true or not. I've worked hard for this, I think I deserve some relaxation time, come on baby, let's see whatchoo got.

A flash of bright white light engulfed me, and I was blinded momentarily. I lost all sense of where I was, immersed in blinding, bright white light. I suddenly had a vision, and it was not a vision of beauty or tranquility, but rather a vision of horror and misery. I saw bleary looking people, trudging through the snow, wearing dark, old clothes, some with gold stars emblazoned upon their lapels, towards an encampment of some sort, with great billowing smoke coming out of large chimneys. I saw masses of graves filled with human skulls, and children crying for no reason. I felt the pain of the murdered masses, the lost children, and the battered wives. In that moment, I saw and felt the pain of the world, and emerged a more enlightened man for it. What was the source of this new-found illumination? Was Kumbu finally developing a sense of moral responsibility? Was he finally being empathetic to those who suffer needlessly around him?

No, it turns out Leggy was fucking tearing little Kumbu to shreds with her goddawful BBBJ. I am fucking not kidding guys, this was without a doubt the worst attempt at a BBBJ I have [b][u]EVER[/b][/u] Had. It hurt so bad I could not last more than 5 seconds, and I later found out that she literally tore my skin. I mean, she fucking ripped my dick with her attempted BBBJ. How the HELL does that happen?

Well, first, there were the teeth, oh the teeth (can you hear my sobbing?). I guess she thought teeth on dick feels really good. No, the tooth-on-dick action was definitely not appreciated. She obviously does not have one (a dick, I mean) , nor has she ever had one, so she has no clue what one feels like. And obviously no one has ever taken the time to educate her not to dig your teeth into the base of the penis and then drag your teeth deep into the penis all the way up the underside. And that's because, well, how do you tell someone that their BBBJ was the worst fucking experience of your entire life? You can't, so you just gently but quickly pry her head as far away from your sensitive regions as you can and try to mend your wounds.

Second, she did this terrible thing where she grabbed the base of my dick with her hand really, really tight, like I imagine on of those African ladies would do to little Kumbu, and then with her teeth and tight lips, she stretches the underskin out to the point she actually ripped the skin. The next day, I kid you not, I had trouble walking.

So I literally lasted 5 seconds before I pulled her head up, gasped for air, and then pretended to fondle her breasts just to buy some time to recover. Wow. She asks 'you have condom? ' and without further ado I lunged for something to protect my quivering, fast-diminishing little guy. I took as long as I could because I was weak in the knees and I needed time to recover. Once I was ready, I decided I needed revenge. No, not to hurt her back, but to get the hardest most physical fuck out of her possible.

She was lying on her back, and I grunted to her to flip over. She obliged, and I climbed ontop of her and gruffly muscled my way inside, caveman style. She was flat on her belly, me pumping pussy via her monstrous butt. That was one delicious sight, and the vision coupled with my un-Kumbu-like aggression in fucking, and I began to crescendo rather quickly. Somewhere in the back of my mind a lone sorrowful voice sang out, 'Oh Kumbuuuuuuu, remember the missioooooooon. ' I ignored that sad little asshole and fucked my way to oblivion, cumming, groaning, regretting, and relaxing all at once.

She wanted little Kumbu and his Trojan sheath out of her faster than a Trojan commits an NCAA violation (for non-Bruins, that's very, very fast) , so she grabs little Kumbu by the base, holding him and the Trojan, and gently pulls him free, and she slaps me on the leg and instructs me to shower.

So as I shower, I look down at my limp, red penis. Oh little Kumbu, my little guy, I'm so sorry I could not protect you. You'll be ok buddy, you just need some sleep and then a really nice butt crack to cradle in for a while. I then start to evaluate this girl. She's bossy, kind of bitchy, a little older than I like, has poor English skills, sweats profusely, drinks like a suicidal sailor, cusses accordingly, probably has warts on her ass, has fake boobs, and has a killer BBBJ (literally). But she has legs and an ass. Hmm, it's a close one, but I think I shall have to repeat. I just need to stay clear of her mouth.

So I go out, slip her the 2000b fee, and watch as she high tails it out of the room. And to my relief, there was silence in my room, and I sat there, dazed, for 20 minutes. When I awoke from my daze, it was 3am. The good thing was there was no work on Sunday morning. The bad thing was I am likely still jet lagged, and so I will be awake in 4 hours. Fuck.

[QUOTE=David_33;1456671]You know how to ask for a voltage converter in Thai? That's very impressive.[/QUOTE]LOL. I speak Thai but even I had to look that one up in the Dictionary. Doesn't come up in normal conversation.

เครื่องแปลงไฟ khreuuang(F)-​bplaaeng(M)-​fai(M)

khreuuang(F) - machine or device
bplaaeng(M) - to change, alter, adjust something
​fai(M) - fire, electricity, electric light

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1456750]

A flash of bright white light engulfed me.....
No, it turns out Leggy was fucking tearing little Kumbu to shreds with her goddawful BBBJ. I am fucking not kidding guys, this was without a doubt the worst attempt at a BBBJ I have [b][u]EVER[/b][/u] Had. It hurt so bad I could not last more than 5 seconds, and I later found out that she literally tore my skin. I mean, she fucking ripped my dick with her attempted BBBJ. How the HELL does that happen?

Well, first, there were the teeth, oh the teeth (can you hear my sobbing?). I guess she thought teeth on dick feels really good. No, the tooth-on-dick action was definitely not appreciated. She obviously does not have one (a dick, I mean) , nor has she ever had one, so she has no clue what one feels like. And obviously no one has ever taken the time to educate her not to dig your teeth into the base of the penis and then drag your teeth deep into the penis all the way up the underside. And that's because, well, how do you tell someone that their BBBJ was the worst fucking experience of your entire life? You can't, so you just gently but quickly pry her head as far away from your sensitive regions as you can and try to mend your wounds.[/QUOTE]Master Kumbu,

We are so happy that you escaped this event.

Strange that a location like climax has such poorly trained souls who have graduated to their late thirties without even knowing the basics.

Any pics to help us avoid a mistaken encounter?

[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1456875]Any pics to help us avoid a mistaken encounter?[/QUOTE]Sorry CM, I stopped taking pictures a while ago: too much risk for me. I'm not good enough about preventing them from inadvertently spreading all over the place, and who knows when one will pop up (eg, I have multiple google accounts, and google + synched to auto-update pictures from my phone for some of those accounts, but I can't keep track of which).

However, here is as detailed a description of the girl as I can muster. Her name is Mani, around 5'4", big legs, big ass, redish hair, cut short (like a mini-bob) , with a sharp nose. She has a tattoo on her right thigh, just above the skirt line. It is of some guy pulling stuff from between his legs and throwing them somewhere. When I saw this I laughed out loud, and she got pissed off because it is apparently very sacred to her.

She hangs out in Climax towards the back typically, on the side of the toilets (at one of those tables on that side). She usually tries to get a table right next to the walkway (each time I have seen her, she was at the second from last table, so this may be her table). As I said, she hangs out with a skinny model type, so if you see this Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill couple, I would proceed with caution.

I'm not sure you want to avoid her. I mean, as you will see, I did repeat with her a couple of nights later, but you just need to know what to avoid (like the penis ripping).

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1456645]Streetwalker7: "No way is there gorgeous beauties filling the stage close to closing"

Streetwalker7 (three days later) : "I'm only patronize R4 during prime-time hours. 9-11pm"

It's not like you to have strong opinions on things you freely admit you know nothing about! It reminds me of the Harold classic:

Streetwalker7: "Pattaya is full of ugly girls. I've never been though"

Ps. I can't quote you directly and I won't see your reply as you're on my 'ignore list'. Strangely I didn't put you on it, it must be some kind of guardian angel looking over me. Thank you guardian angel.[/QUOTE]Now that we know Kumbu likes girls with thick body parts its no suprise the line-up at Rainbow 4 near closing was to his liking.

[QUOTE=David_33;1456671]You know how to ask for a voltage converter in Thai? That's very impressive.[/QUOTE]Well. One has to have be able to discuss topics with the girls, hasn't he? LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1456813]LOL. I speak Thai but even I had to look that one up in the Dictionary. Doesn't come up in normal conversation.

Khreuuang (F). Machine or device.

Bplaaeng (M). To change, alter, adjust something.

&8203; fai (M). Fire, electricity, electric light[/QUOTE]Thank you. I'll add this to my spreadsheet with Thai words add phrases.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1456927]Well. One has to have be able to discuss topics with the girls, hasn't he? LOL[/QUOTE]Many guys are looking for intelligent girls to have a great conversation. For me, mongering is more about sex, and great and intelligent conversation is not one of my major requirements. It's only when you are going to spend days with a girl, that communication really matters much. My GF of several years on and off, doesn't really speak any English, unless she has had a few drinks (LOL). If she gets annoyed with me, she may even switch to Issan dialect even though I don't follow that too well. An ex GF, when angry would speak plain Thai, but at high pace and I would really struggle to keep up.

All girls expect me to understand Thai perfectly, as they always would cite that I have had several Thai GFs and ought to know Thai pretty well by now, after 20 years.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1457020]Many guys are looking for intelligent girls to have a great conversation. For me, mongering is more about sex, and great and intelligent conversation is not one of my major requirements. It's only when you are going to spend days with a girl, that communication really matters much. My GF of several years on and off, doesn't really speak any English, unless she has had a few drinks (LOL). If she gets annoyed with me, she may even switch to Issan dialect even though I don't follow that too well. An ex GF, when angry would speak plain Thai, but at high pace and I would really struggle to keep up.

All girls expect me to understand Thai perfectly, as they always would cite that I have had several Thai GFs and ought to know Thai pretty well by now, after 20 years.[/QUOTE]Can you cite statistics of how many of us are looking for intelligent girls for great conversation. The exception being goatscrot.

Most of us speak Thai like shit and vice versa with the girls per English.

I am by far an expert and does not have all the answers but I will regarding to Climax "brag" a little of myself as in Bangkok this is the club I by far have visited the most. To be modest lets say I have visit Climax 150 times tha last 5 years as I travel in and out of Bangkok easily 10. 20 times a year and have 2 to 5 visits to Climax per stay. I have never ever heard of such you describe and girls getting commision. I can of course have missed out on it or they have started with this new deal since my last visit the 3 of August. I have never had girl or girls (and it starts to become a big bunch of girls if we add them up, hehe) at my table pushing me to buy me drinks. I agree some of the staff vendouring chips, peanuts etc can be irritating but I just tell the floor manager to get rid of them and leave me alone (I usualy give manager 1K in tip as he also sometimes picks girls to me if I am lazy and so far he allways comes back with a 3 holer. Great guy). I allways take the bottleservice for 1 or 2 bottles and sometimes even bring the girl for the night friends over to my table as it puts her in bright shining light and glues the aftercomming sexact in a positive direction.

I am pretty sure I have noticed your girl as you describe her. Even if she is a tad to fullbodied to my liking I have allways coinsidered her to be a nice fuck. The BJ I have never speculated and I guess I never will after reading your reports, hehe.

So next time hook up with the manager (nice fellow wearing black blazer) and ask him what is the deal these days. Say hello to him from pilotskogis.

But as a second thought these days I feel pretty much my time is up in Climax as my face is fairly known amongst the girls frequents Climax often. I like the fresh faces best and the old ones (some of them I have ofcourse besexed) don't like competition one bit. This creates often some dramas as freelancegirls are also jelous / businessminded. I have been kicked, spat at and slapped because I will not redo a girl. I guess this is just a part of the game. I will start doing BASH and Levels more next visit in a couple of weeks as they have a promising clientel girlwice.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1457020]Many guys are looking for intelligent girls to have a great conversation. For me, mongering is more about sex, and great and intelligent conversation is not one of my major requirements. It's only when you are going to spend days with a girl, that communication really matters much. My GF of several years on and off, doesn't really speak any English, unless she has had a few drinks (LOL). If she gets annoyed with me, she may even switch to Issan dialect even though I don't follow that too well. An ex GF, when angry would speak plain Thai, but at high pace and I would really struggle to keep up.

All girls expect me to understand Thai perfectly, as they always would cite that I have had several Thai GFs and ought to know Thai pretty well by now, after 20 years.[/QUOTE]Of course I was a bit kidding and I agree, even if we don't need to sort the world topics, a minimum degree of English can help even in the ST. Especially if one takes a girl from a bar and checks the chemistry before.

I

I guess I should give Climax a fair shot again, but my one and only experience was a bad one. (albeit 2 years ago or so) I chose a light skinned gal, had somewhat of a Lucy Leiu look to her. Once I started pounding away, her pussy smelled like the Klong Toey fish market LOL. Just to finish the deed, I had to close my eyes and think of the scene in Fast Times at Ridgemont high where Phoebe Cates is topless

Ah, and the same night I conversed with a gal next to me, got no vibe from her, so I ceased communication, no use in beating a dead horse and she wasn't all that in the first place. Next thing you know a server comes round with a Heineken and she points to me to pick up the tab. Of course I tell that silly beeeyatch she need to step off, no way was I paying for her beer.

Right or wrong, I came to the conclusion Climax was full of money grubbers and girls with the Mary Rotten Crotch syndrome

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1457166]I guess I should give Climax a fair shot again, but my one and only experience was a bad one.

Right or wrong, I came to the conclusion Climax was full of money grubbers and girls with the Mary Rotten Crotch syndrome[/QUOTE]Speaking of venues full of money grubbers with rotten pussies, has anyone been to the new and improved Nana Disco? I believe it's been open for 2+ weeks now.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1457174]Speaking of venues full of money grubbers with rotten pussies, has anyone been to the new and improved Nana Disco? I believe it's been open for 2+ weeks now.[/QUOTE]Maybe thats where all the hott Rainbow girls are now.

Friday night all Rainbows full were of horny men. I actually saw some barfining too.

I saw what looked like auditions for new Angelwitch 2 going on. Is it possible for a girl to fail an audition. LOL. Must be getting ready to open. I don't like it. Got enough bars as it is.

Arrived on Thursday night (1am) , but rather than venture out half-dead (24 hours of travel time plus a 13 hour time-zone difference takes a lot out of a guy) , I waited until Friday evening to start the fun. *I hit Nana at about 8pm; everything was already in full swing and Rainbow 2 was a calling. *Not too crowded when I entered, mostly Asian customers (Korean and Japanese). A generally amicable group, though I didn't chat any of them up. *The lineup was, well, rather impressive. *Yes. I am coming from the US, and I absolutely adore Asian girls, so I'm a bit biased. But I read this forum regularly and find many guys complaining about the quality / attractiveness of the girls in the bars (in Thailand and elsewhere). *If you couldn't find at least two girls in Rainbow 2 this night that you thought were attractive. Well, why even bother going to Nana? *Or Bangkok for that matter? *The girls looked good. *If you watch adult films (and I am guessing many readers of this forum do). Think Kat or Keeani Lei. I definitely saw some similarities. *One girl in particular. Probably the skinniest one there. Caught my eye. *I smiled at her, she smiled back. The usual routine. I invited her over for a drink and we chatted. Reasonably good English, playful, didn't mind my wandering hands. *After two tequila shots she asks if I will buy her sister, who also works in the bar a drink. *I figure sure, why the hell not. *Her sister is a few years older and certainly attractive. *Not at all over weight, but compared to her anorexic-hot sister looks a bit pudgy. * (It's like putting me next to a Black guy. I look extra white. Everything is relative). Anyway, it's very obvious that I want to bar fine skinny sister. And she's more than interested. *She then asks if I can release her sister for the evening as well. *Again, I'm not overly interested in sister, and I make it clear I'm looking to bring skinny home with me. *No problem, she says. We'll hear some live music, have some drinks, then you go home with skinny sister. *I'm kind of feeling the bait and switch here, but I decide to go with it. *True to their word, there's drinking, and live music, and fun is had by all. *Now we hadn't discussed short time or long time, or even compensation rates at this point, but it's time to go back to the room. *Skinny wants her sister to come with her and this is where I figure I'm going to get the old switcheroo. *But, long story short. Skinny stays for a few hours, and when she's ready to go, sister picks up where she left off, stays the night and makes my morning a very pleasant one. *Compensation was at my discretion and I kept with the prevailing rates. Nothing extraordinary. * (Full disclosure. I later found out they're half-sisters; different fathers). *Let's see what Night Two has in store.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1457023]Can you cite statistics of how many of us are looking for intelligent girls for great conversation. The exception being goatscrot.

Most of us speak Thai like shit and vice versa with the girls per English.[/QUOTE]No I don't collect stats on that. But I have read some guys talking about be bored with just fucking and wanting to meet more intelligent office girls for good quality conversation. Some guys just love to talk and need a girl to listen to them and pretend to understand. It's not me. I prefer quiet girls that don't talk too much. No yack yack yack, for me.

One fun bargirl I know, just talks too much. I would have to tell to shut up and go to sleep, as was 5AM already, and I wanted to sleep a bit early. Hence normally only take her ST. I do not mind if the girl I screw has really low intelligence. As long as she has good attitude and fun not too serious.

I actually help support one girl of seemingly low intelligence who has no English, speaks Thai not clearly (originates from mountains of Myanmar), cannot read or write, but is a very good character girl. She works but for very low pay. I do not screw her so has become more like an adopted daughter. Both her parents are dead, and other relatives are no use, so she needs some help. She is good looking so I sort of expected she would eventually get a Thai husband, but does not seem to trust Thai guys. Perhaps its best to send her to English school.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1457174]Speaking of venues full of money grubbers with rotten pussies, has anyone been to the new and improved Nana Disco? I believe it's been open for 2+ weeks now.[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, yes, on Monday night. Will post a report when I have access to my computer. I'm on my phone right now. Did not take anyone, but there was not much to choose from. Details to follow.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1457214]No I don't collect stats on that. But I have read some guys talking about be bored with just fucking and wanting to meet more intelligent office girls for good quality conversation. Some guys just love to talk and need a girl to listen to them and pretend to understand. It's not me. I prefer quiet girls that don't talk too much. No yack yack yack, for me.

One fun bargirl I know, just talks too much. I would have to tell to shut up and go to sleep, as was 5AM already, and I wanted to sleep a bit early. Hence normally only take her ST. I do not mind if the girl I screw has really low intelligence. As long as she has good attitude and fun not too serious.

I actually help support one girl of seemingly low intelligence who has no English, speaks Thai not clearly (originates from mountains of Myanmar) , cannot read or write, but is a very good character girl. She works but for very low pay. I do not screw her so has become more like an adopted daughter. Both her parents are dead, and other relatives are no use, so she needs some help. She is good looking so I sort of expected she would eventually get a Thai husband, but does not seem to trust Thai guys. Perhaps its best to send her to English school.[/QUOTE]You very entertaining. I don't know if you pulling our penises or not. LOL.

We need more office girl stories. I especially love those office girls who go to Pattaya on their hollidays. LOL.

Thai boys- the good ones aren't stupid. If I were one I surely wouldn't be interested in your Mymanar girl.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1457023]Can you cite statistics of how many of us are looking for intelligent girls for great conversation. The exception being goatscrot.

Most of us speak Thai like shit and vice versa with the girls per English.[/QUOTE]For a sex sesh, I don't require the girl to be a rocket scientist. But if I were to spend anymore time with one, more time being more than a 90 min session, she would need to have more to offer than her sn*tch.

I don't know if it was planned.

Unless the opening of AW2 in NEP was a soft one, it looked disastrous. On your way to R2 you might not even notice it was open for business. I, with a highly trained eye, noticed and took a look inside. Not impressed- don't even know what I saw. LOL. Saw no customers near the door and saw a few girls on stage. Couldn't tell if they were farang oriented girlss so I will withhold comment for now.

Skipped R4. R2 and 1 was overflowing with customers. Something starnge going on there. R2 is getting way more customers than even during the recent high season.

I even saw one R2 girl who never ever gets barfined get a barfine.

[QUOTE=WillWorth;1457178]Arrived on Thursday night (1am) , but rather than venture out half-dead (24 hours of travel time plus a 13 hour time-zone difference takes a lot out of a guy) , I waited until Friday evening to start the fun. *I hit Nana at about 8pm; everything was already in full swing and Rainbow 2 was a calling. *Not too crowded when I entered, mostly Asian customers (Korean and Japanese). A generally amicable group, though I didn't chat any of them up. *The lineup was, well, rather impressive. *Yes. I am coming from the US, and I absolutely adore Asian girls, so I'm a bit biased. But I read this forum regularly and find many guys complaining about the quality / attractiveness of the girls in the bars (in Thailand and elsewhere). *If you couldn't find at least two girls in Rainbow 2 this night that you thought were attractive. Well, why even bother going to Nana? *Or Bangkok for that matter? *The girls looked good. *If you watch adult films (and I am guessing many readers of this forum do). Think Kat or Keeani Lei. I definitely saw some similarities. *One girl in particular. Probably the skinniest one there. Caught my eye. *I smiled at her, she smiled back. The usual routine. I invited her over for a drink and we chatted. Reasonably good English, playful, didn't mind my wandering hands...[/QUOTE]Why is it guys who pay prevailing market rates refuse to tell us what they are. LOL. Sounds like you had 2 long times, so I'm thinking 4500 times 2,600 barfine times 2 for well over 10,000 all-in.

I don't care what you pay. But guys want the monetary details. Its just how we are.

Rainbow 1 has prices printed on a card-seem very resonable for the better girls. St-2500, lt4500. And lt applies only if girl even does it. I see many times a girl won't even blink an eye and just refuse it.

You got 2 girls who went it early in the evening. Hot ones too. LOL.

I can only think of one anorexic type. Does she have braces and have shoulder length hair. Flat chested?

[QUOTE=Skogis;1457089]I usualy give manager 1K in tip as he also sometimes picks girls to me if I am lazy and so far he allways comes back with a 3 holer. Great guy.[/QUOTE]I guess the manager make probably even more then the girl.

1K from you and at least also 1 K from the girl even without spreading his leggs.

Looks like the Hotel concierge in the past; a fantastic job, not making dirty hands en very well paid.

Rainbow 4 vs Rainbow 2.

If you like thick legged girls Rainbow 4 is for you. LOL.

Rainbow 4 high percentage of hooligan type clientle. Rainbow 2 hooligan statistically insignifinat as customers. LOL.

Rainb 4 girl higher avg wieght. LOL. Could carry triplets and you may not even notice. LOL.

Rainb 2 girls smaller with some darn nice looking asses. LOL.

If you like Asian style girls Rainbow 2 is the curretn undisputed NEP champion at the moment. LOL.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1457236]You very entertaining. I don't know if you pulling our penises or not. LOL.

Thai boys- the good ones aren't stupid. If I were one I surely wouldn't be interested in your Mymanar girl.[/QUOTE]I don't think its funny. I just write straight boring stuff. No pulling of chain or anything.

The Myanmar girl is "Thai Yai" (from the north mountains) so not a normal Burmese and pretty so plenty of Thai guys want to do her, which doesn't mean much. Thai men are marrying even quite ugly Thai Yai girls. I met a few cases. They take what they can get. Same as Farangs take what they can get.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1457089]I am by far an expert and does not have all the answers but I will regarding to Climax "brag" a little of myself as in Bangkok this is the club I by far have visited the most. To be modest lets say I have visit Climax 150 times tha last 5 years .[/QUOTE]Skogi, I too had never seen this before. I've been there probably around 100 times, but the last time was 3 years ago. Never before this time have I seen this happen, and so it would be nice to get confirmation from someone else who has been there recently. Furthermore, I think if you do the bottle service, and if you tip the way you do, you are unlikely to be nickel and dimed this way. They probably treat customers like you differently. I've done the bottle service several times, and in my experience, you are treated very differently. The wait staff keep leachers away from you, they bring talented girls to your table, and all the girls are interested in joining you. But you need to drop several thousand baht to do that, and I just don't do that anymore.

So if anyone goes to Climax anytime soon, I would be interested to know if I was somehow wrong. To me, it seems unlikely that both I misperceived the exchange of drink tickets between the waiter and the two girls, AND that somehow Leggy's confirmation of the tip policy was an error / lie.

This is the first of a 2 part report on a night out with a fellow ISG member. This report has no sex, but tells of our voyage through NEP and Soi Cowboy. Part 2 tells of a pretty interesting SW pickup from Nana Hotel parking lot.

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I awoke at 7:20am, roughly four hours since falling asleep. I have been seriously sleep deprived in the last 10 days. I have not had even a single night in that span where I slept more than 6 hours, the sequence has been: 2 hours. 3 hours. 3 hours. 5 hours. 5 hours. 1 hour. 6 hours. 4 hours. 4 hours, and now 4 hours. Humans were not built to live like this, and especially this human. I was tired, and I needed to do something about it. Umm, how about some fucking?

I decided against that, although it was tempting. My dick was still hurting from the night before with the Leggy girl and her ridiculous BBBJ. I needed a break. So I took the morning off to go shopping and native watching. I made the mistake of going to the Siam Paragon, which was a wall-to-wall zoo that day. Normally on Sundays it is pretty bad, but there was a huge thunderstorm going on, forcing everyone inside, and it was just painful and tiring. I regret wasting my day off like that.

In the evening, I was scheduled to meet up with an ISG member, who we shall refer to as Bluey, and then I had to make some phone calls back State side, at around midnight. So the plan was to hit some gogo bars, and if anything turns up, I will ST until midnight. But if not, then Bluey and I would make the most of our time in this beautiful city.

We met at R3 just after 8:30, where I was looking for that pretty thing from the last night. Her number is 81, in case anyone wants to go check her out. If / when you do, you will see that she has a pretty face, large legs and ass, and a little bit of a fuck-off attitude. I suspect this is entirely a YMMV issue (I. E, the fuck-off attitude may be Kumbu specific) , since the following night I saw her giving a couple of white dudes one hell of a good time. Luckily for us, she was not there that night, and so we motored on.

We then went to Spanky's, looking for the shower show, and well, it was ok. The girls in there are very, very mediocre, and the shower show was rather tepid. Neither of us were enthused. So off we went to Angelwitch, where the show had just started. Bluey spied a pretty little thing, but was hesitant about pulling her, so I sprang for the LD. This made Bluey rather nervous, but I assured him that we were cool: I was just oiling the works, so to speak. So he chats the girl up while Mama San and the thick-rimmed bespectacled waitress remember me from previous nights and start mothballing to the Kumbu flame. Mama San asks where I am from, and when I tell her, she says "oooh, I am from there too." Mama san, you maw, chai may? No, no, no, she means her sister lives there, and so she's from there too. Ok. So I ask her where in the States, and she says Texas. I know the lone star state reasonably well, can't say I like it, but I know it, so I ask her where in Texas, and she says New Orleans. Don't mess with N'Orleans?

Anyway, Bluey don't like the girl, so we bail. We go to R4 where Bluey had seen someone earlier, but no luck. Next on to R1 downstairs, where something interesting happens. We are discussing our preferred body types, and Bluey already knows what I like from my posts. So he was educating me on his preferred body type when something catches my eye off in the corner: a dark skinned beauty whose body had precise Kumbu-specific dimensions. She has superb legs, and a super, super ass. I'm talking perfect for Kumbu: pert, round, firm and oh so inviting. And her face is fantastic, wow, how have I missed this jewel before? Bluey sees her and says 'Oh, I see what you're looking for, yeah, that's nice. '

So I get her down for a chat, and let's just say I did not have to explain to her what happens when you mix copper sulfate with sulfuric acid. She knew as well as I did: you get chemistry. We were chatting, giggling, joking, teasing, it was just so damned refreshing to be talking so easily with someone. And I noticed she had these gorgeous eyes that were looking at me like a little puppy dog, she was downright gorgeous. So she asks me how old I am, and we play that old game of if you guess my age right, I'll give you 100b, and if you are within 3 yrs, you get 50, and within 5 years, you get 20. She hit my age right on the head in the first go. Usually, slightly more diplomatic girls will purposefully under-estimate, just to flatter you, but this girl was either too naive or too greedy to bullshit. It was the former, as you shall soon see. So I pulled out a 100 and grudgingly handed it over as she laughed her ass of at the hilarity of it all.

So now it is my turn to guess her age. I take a look at her, and I realize she is young, younger than I usually go for. So I guess 22. She says no. And I think, phew, I try not to go with girls that young, so I guess 24, and she looks dismayed, and says no, so I say 25, and she looks away from me, not knowing how to respond. Wait, you mean she's younger than 22? Long story short, she claimed to be 18 years old.

So I asked her how long she had been working in R3, and she said that was her first night, and in fact this was the first LD that anyone had bought her, and the 100b was her first tip ever.

Oh shit, this spelled disaster. What if she is not 18? And even if she is, can you imagine being her first ever? I did that once with a girl in Pattaya (I think from Super Baby) , and it was pretty bad. I was not ready to make the same mistake again, so unfortunate as it was, I decided to bail. Bluey, later, was quizzing me about why I was not interested, and it boiled down to this: at 18, while she is technically legal, she is in my mind still a child. Or at least she has childness within her still. In America, she would be a frickin' high school senior. And I am not digging little Kumbu into a high school senior.

So off we go. We hit Lollipop, where we were hustled big time. As soon as we sat down, two girls came and sat next to us, uninvited, and started laying their hands all over us. Lady Drinks emerged soon, and hands met crotches, and butt flesh was squeezed. Sadly, I think Bluey's girl was a post-op, but my girl was thin, light, and maybe late twenties in age. But I used her to exercise my fingers, and that's about it. But we soon bailed, and decided to make a run to Soi Cowboy.

We grab a taxi at the intersection of soi 4 and Suk, and by the time we are up around soi 11 or so I notice that the driver failed to switch on the meter. So I told him to switch it on, and he said 'ni, ni, ni', meaning it is just here, no need for the meter. Bluey and I looked at each other like, 'this ain't good'. We round the corner to soi 23, and he stops in front of a gogo bar on that soi, around 20 yards down from soi Cowboy itself, and he says to go inside this joint. I asked him how much for the taxi fare, and he said to just go into the bar. So I figured he had a deal with the bar where if he drops off customers who go into the bar, he gets his fare paid by the bar. I've seen this at the nightclubs like Spicey and Bossy, but never with a gogo bar. But hey, no fare for me, that's cool.

So Bluey and I go in, and the pickings are pretty meager. We both order water and as we wait, the tout comes and says the taxi driver wants to get paid. Bluey and I figure that if we have to pay a taxi fare, then fuck this sorry-ass gogo bar, so we trot outside and there's the guy with his hand out. He says '100 baht', and I balked, countering 40 baht, and he balked. I know better than to cross a taxi driver, even one that is clearly hustling me, so I pulled out three 20s, and he takes them and splits. He clearly got the better of this deal, but the difference between me paying the expected 45b fare, or 60b, or 300b for two waters in the gogo bar, I think 60b ain't too bad.

We start walking away, and then there's the little matter of the gogo bar, where we had a drink order in and we bailed before receiving or paying for the drinks. The mama san shouts out to the tout to go get us, and he calls us back. Uh-oh. This was a little delicate. But I just told the guy what had happened: 'taxi man say if we go inside gogo bar, we no pay taxi. But then he want money, so we no go into gogo. Sorry, ok? ' and the guy understood, and gave us a little waive. The mama san was none too happy, but before anything else could happen, Bluey and I had turned the corner into soi Cowboy.

First stop was Bacarra, which was packed to the hilt. It must have been 11:30pm on a Sunday, and there was no sitting room downstairs. We went upstairs, and saw little in the way of attractiveness, and so we tried again downstairs, where we found a spot in the corner. We had a decent view, and Bluey spotted a tasty treat. And truth be told, I like his taste in ladies. She was tall, slender, and such a delectable looking spinner. She did have peroxide hair, but Bluey went for it anyway.

I had to bail at that point, so I leave Bluey in the able hands of this little lady. I ran home, feeling decidedly pissed off with life. I was not getting anywhere, and BKK was frustrating me tonight. What's more I was feeling time slipping away, given that my departure from this great city was less than five days away. I couldn't afford to let this night slip away. Add the fact that I was severely sleep deprived, and we had a cocktail of negativity which boiled over in a rather pissy ISG posting that night. I got back to the hotel to be welcomed by a message saying that my phone calls to America had to be delayed. So I had to sit and wait, further exacerbating my sense of losing time. Anyway, it was in that time I posted to ISG. No apologies, I meant everything I said, it just came off a little less diplomatic and humorous than my usual self.

My next post tells of what I did after my phone calls, and how I encountered an interesting FL in the Nana Hotel parking lot. She was great, but troubling at the same time.

And in a country rightly known for so many beautiful women, why is it that many working girls are so unattractive, and so unrepresentative of the average woman?

Thailand is truly a land of beautiful women, but the hottest don't do that. They don't need to.

Credit goes to man of wood for the above. Don't know if can use real ID or not.

Hot girls don't have to sell pussy to us. Especial city ones.

So what we are left with are guys touting thick legged ones and anorexic ones. LOL.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1457089]I am by far an expert and does not have all the answers but I will regarding to Climax "brag" a little of myself as in Bangkok this is the club I by far have visited the most. To be modest lets say I have visit Climax 150 times tha last 5 years as I travel in and out of Bangkok easily 10. 20 times a year and have 2 to 5 visits to Climax per stay.[/QUOTE]Is there a "Brazilian-looking" Thai girl still doing the rounds in Climax? Think she was called Laaya, I hooked up with her but unfortunately got sick when we got back to my hotel so couldn't road test her properly. Claimed to have a job in marketing but was far too connected in Climax not to be on the take.

To all who participate on this site, thanks for the intell. I am really looking forward to my upcoming virgin trip of 14 days this Fall. In your opinion, would it benefit me to bring sex toys for my escapades with the ladies? Is it cheaper and better to purchase them in Bangkok? Would I get extra effort, time and pops from the ladies if I put extra effort into their pleasure? It has worked for me in the US, just wondering if anybody has experienced this or has an opinion.

[QUOTE=WillWorth;1457178]Arrived on Thursday night (1am) , but rather than venture out half-dead (24 hours of travel time plus a 13 hour time-zone difference takes a lot out of a guy) , * (Full disclosure. I later found out they're half-sisters; different fathers). *Let's see what Night Two has in store.[/QUOTE]You should be aware that thai girls often refer of their friends as sisters. Nothing in common and sometime not even the village.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good;1457809]In your opinion, would it benefit me to bring sex toys for my escapades with the ladies? Is it cheaper and better to purchase them in Bangkok? Would I get extra effort, time and pops from the ladies if I put extra effort into their pleasure? It has worked for me in the US, just wondering if anybody has experienced this or has an opinion.[/QUOTE]Thai girls, in general, are not sophisticated in sex. Some of them have never known about DATY till they played the trade with western customers. Bring one toy but don't expect wonders.

Seems thenphlippnes are more kinky to sex games and their 3-some are real, but I am getting OT.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good;1457809]To all who participate on this site, thanks for the intell. I am really looking forward to my upcoming virgin trip of 14 days this Fall. In your opinion, would it benefit me to bring sex toys for my escapades with the ladies? Is it cheaper and better to purchase them in Bangkok? Would I get extra effort, time and pops from the ladies if I put extra effort into their pleasure? It has worked for me in the US, just wondering if anybody has experienced this or has an opinion.[/QUOTE]You going to find this hard to believe. LOL.

But for the majority of girls its just a job. They don't care whether you pleausre them or not. Once they get you as a customer they thinking about the next one, not how many orgasme you can give them.

This isn't to say that you can't have fun with them. Just realize you are not their boyfriend or lover. You are customer!

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1457648]And in a country rightly known for so many beautiful women, why is it that many working girls are so unattractive, and so unrepresentative of the average woman?

Thailand is truly a land of beautiful women, but the hottest don't do that. They don't need to.

Credit goes to man of wood for the above. Don't know if can use real I'd or not.

Hot girls don't have to sell pussy to us. Especial city ones.

So what we are left with are guys touting thick legged ones and anorexic ones. LOL.[/QUOTE]What you say rings very true. BKK has amazingly hot women. They are not in the P4P industry. You are correct, they don't need to be now. 13 years ago when the country was reeling from the crash it was a different story. Now, Thais are doing quite well. Less that 1% unemployment, salaries way up, etc. If you are a gal good looking you can find a Thai dude who has a bit of money to spend, or you can find a co-worker and the two of you can make a fairly nice go of it, car and starter condo that is.

Mongers? Well, we are left with the not so good looking, the not so smart, the lazy, or the nutty. But there are some nice scraps out there every once in awhile.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good;1457809]To all who participate on this site, thanks for the intell. I am really looking forward to my upcoming virgin trip of 14 days this Fall. In your opinion, would it benefit me to bring sex toys for my escapades with the ladies?[/QUOTE]Not necessary, but no harm.

[QUOTE]Is it cheaper and better to purchase them in Bangkok?[/QUOTE]Cheaper but really poor quality, so not better.

[QUOTE]Would I get extra effort, time and pops from the ladies if I put extra effort into their pleasure?[/QUOTE]The lady might have more pops. Doesn't mean you will get better service.

[QUOTE]It has worked for me in the US, just wondering if anybody has experienced this or has an opinion.[/QUOTE]One girl Cat, was so tired after using the Jack Rabbit I bought for her (on her request) , she became rather useless for me (totally spent). So only allow girls to use in small doses.

The big problem with good Vibes is that it helps girls get to orgasm very quickly, and pop multiple times in a few minutes. They can have had enough after only 20 minutes, where I was planning on a session of over 60 mins. 20 mins is no good to me.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1457648]And in a country rightly known for so many beautiful women, why is it that many working girls are so unattractive, and so unrepresentative of the average woman?

Thailand is truly a land of beautiful women, but the hottest don't do that. They don't need to.

Hot girls don't have to sell pussy to us. Especial city ones.[/QUOTE]For once I agree. Many of the girls in bars have to support a child or parents or sister's schooling, etc. Typically have no husband or BF except the ones with no money or leaching off them. Some girls have mentioned having to support mother's gambling habit, etc. At the local sports complex where monthly membership is quite expensive, I am seeing many very pretty Thai girls from wealthy families. Big contrast to the looks in the poorer neighbourhoods. Not too sure why this is. Reasonably well off mothers of the children at the local school (middle class - not rich and not poor) don't seem to be particularly great looking. I guess its the pretty girls hook the rich husbands syndrome to some extent.

It any girl was amazing enough, a guy will take her out of the business. Many girls come into the business and disappear again quickly. Even the less than amazing girls are getting taken away. Still a percentage of the working bar girls are still well above average looks, even if not stunners. If they were totally plain, who wants to spend money to fuck them? Sympathy fucks perhaps? I can get freebies from certain ordinary girls, but don't want them. I have GF already so its better to just pay to play up.

Beauty is not about white skin too. Take a look at this model. This is really absolutely my desired spec in both face and body. Far too stunning to find anything like this in a bar or MP. Her skin is not white. Who cares? Exotically gorgeous.

[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-07/04/c_131691446_9.htm[/url]

When I go to a Thai Soapy, I am looking for girls as close to this as possible, skin can be light or dark, doesn't matter.

My GF has some similarities to the face and body shape, but no where near as pretty or hot and much shorter. However I can see what attracted me to her. GF is still a big turn on for me.

I have looked through pics of many of the top Chinese Movie Stars and hardly like any of them except for Shu Qi, who is definite stunner for me. White skin is just not enough to make them beautiful. Chinese face shape is largely not for me. Thai men love these Chinese or Korean movie star looks. Not for me. I would take a Jessica Alba or Halle Berry look any day.

P.S. I don't think Baccara bar has many girls that even slightly look like this, and there are a lot of fake looks going on there. Some girls style the hair so that not much of the face is visible (because they are plain). Then I find the girls bored and lifeless. Its too packed out. To noisy. Not enough fun. So Baccara is not a bar that keeps me coming back. R4 has a few better lookers last time I looked, but not many girls are giving me the right vibe. Its probably worth spending a lot more time at R4 to sus out the really good girls though, from the ones who just want a quickie. Unfortunately very limited time is my problem.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1457923]What you say rings very true. BKK has amazingly hot women. They are not in the P4P industry. You are correct, they don't need to be now. 13 years ago when the country was reeling from the crash it was a different story. Now, Thais are doing quite well. Less that 1% unemployment, salaries way up, etc. If you are a gal good looking you can find a Thai dude who has a bit of money to spend, or you can find a co-worker and the two of you can make a fairly nice go of it, car and starter condo that is.

Mongers? Well, we are left with the not so good looking, the not so smart, the lazy, or the nutty. But there are some nice scraps out there every once in awhile.[/QUOTE]Your analysis is spot on! Thai prosperity has drastically changed the marketplace. There are certainly some scraps out there, but it takes effort and time.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1457944]Beauty is not about white skin too. Take a look at this model. This is really absolutely my desired spec in both face and body. Far too stunning to find anything like this in a bar or MP. Her skin is not white. Who cares? Exotically gorgeous.

[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-07/04/c_131691446_9.htm[/url][/QUOTE]Agree, her PICS are gorgeous. That's kinda stating the obvious. Consider this: If you took pics of any high quality Thai MP girls and applied as much photoshopping (skin completely blurred) as applied to your SI beach model, dressed them up in a sexy bikini, applied a $200 hairstyling and put them on an exotic beach, they would look much tastier. On the other hand, if you take any SI model and put her onto a ratty go go stage / fishbowl lineup without the benefit of heavy styling and photoshop, you might have a different opinion. For me, I can't remember the last time I got a product that matched its magazine photo. Just a view. AR

This is part 2 of the 2 part description of Sunday night. Part 1 ended with nothing much: I left Bluey and Bacarra, made my way back to the hotel, got further delayed and frustrated. Here now is a report on how later that night, I uncovered an exotic gem in none other than the Nana Hotel parking lot. It was a very surprising event, which in many ways was far too idealistic for me to believe. But this is how it occurred. I need tp preface this report by stipulating that the details of this report are 100% true, I. E, the fee she requested, the location of te pickup, and the details of her background. This is because they go against the general tenor of reports lately out of BKK regarding SWs, and indeed against my own recent experience. The point is that gems are still to be had, albeit in rare frequency.

After my work was done in the hotel room, I had to find me some luvin'. I wasn't about to go back to NEP, and was a little concerned about going to Climax, so I decided to walk the streets in search of a SW, and if that failed, then I would go to Climax as a backup. So I walked down towards NEP, and on the way I did not see anything I liked. As I approached the soi 4 intersection, however, I saw a girl getting ready to cross the street going towards NEP, and sped up to get a better look. She was slim, tall, with long wavy black hair. She was wearing a two piece skirt and blouse, blue, with the skirt being one of those bell-shaped skirts (kind of conservative). But her legs were shapely, and as anyone who has read any of my reports knows, that's all that matters. Her face was quite pretty, and she looked to be in her late twenties. She got to the other side and I was looking for a way to get her attention. She ended up walking all the way past NEP, crossed the street, and then stopped near that 7-11 to make a call. So I lingered nearby, conspicuously watching her every move.

During her call she noticed me, then looked away and completed her call. When she was done, she looked again, and inched closer to me to see if I was interested. I said hello, she said hello, I said where you going, she said I go 7-11, but you follow me, what you want? I said I like how you walk, can you come with me to talk a little? She said only talk? I smiled and said maybe more. She asked, you want ST or LT, and I said how much ST? She paused, looked me over, and said 3000b. I said that was high, why so high? She said that's a good price, and she will take good care of me. I said I can do 2000b, but no more. She walked away. Wow, she was not even slightly interested. She did not ask where I was from, or my name, or where my hotel was: I think she took a look at me, did not like what I look like, and decided to high ball me just to get rid of me. Ok, I can deal with that.

I turned back around and walked through to the Nana Hotel parking lot to see what was on display, and there were perhaps a dozen non-LB options there. Very quickly I zeroed in on one girl wearing a short yellow dress. The dress was not over-the-top sexy, but short and revealing. Her legs were a little more crooked than I like (I. E, too many juts and bumps around the knee area) , but certainly something able to proffer pleasure. I could not discern her backside or breasts, and her face was not classic beauty, but cute and attractive. She had her hair tied back, tight, in a little bun, with bangs hanging down to just above her eyes. This gave her a simple, attractive, young look. She must have been in her early-mid twenties, with skin the color of hot chocolate, so a definite Isaan girl, or so I thought. She had rather odd facial features though. Her cheek bones were prominent, but not in the sideways manner that you see with the so-called 'flat faced Thais'. Her nose, too, was sharp, and most non-Thai in appearance. Implant? No, it was not bulky enough. The closest I can think of to describe it is it looked like an Ethiopian or Somali nose, if you're familiar with that shape. Very unusual for a Thai WG, in my experience.

I walked right past her at first, checking her out, ever so slowly, to gauge her reaction. She looked at me sideways, but she looked, and did not reach out to say 'where you goooo? ' Ok, a luke warm reception it was. So I carried on checking out the rest of the talent (the word 'dregs' kept coming to mind) , and then circled back in for the pick of the litter. As I approached, some fat Italian dude had appeared and was propositioning her. He had wispy brown hair, was unshaven, around my height, but perhaps 100 pounds heavier. He was wearing a loud yellow t-shirt, with green cut-off capri pants, with large Berkenstock-type shoes. He looked like a less than hygienic specimen. I, on the other hand, offered ambiguous ethnic sourcing, but was clean, well shaven and well dressed. She was aware of my interests, and I was banking on her rejecting the guy in favor of me. So I laid back and watched from a distance.

The Italian was, true to stereotype, full of gesticulatory exuberance. They seemed to be discussing the politics of a center-left government more than the negotiation for access to her sweet bits for financial renumeration. And I was getting uneasy. This was not going well: this dude was going to sneak away with my pretty little thing, and I was not terribly happy about that. So I decided to try to make things a little clearer in the girl's mind. She probably did not know whether I would be returning or not, so I stepped closer to them, and into her line of sight, and made purposeful eye contact. This was hard to do because the damned LBs were everywhere and they were nipping at my elbows with their high-pitched, creaky 'helloooooo sssssir's. I had to focus, ignore these pests, and obtain the prize that is rightly mine. Finally, she saw me and our eyes locked for a moment. She then looked back at the Italian guy and you could see the cogs turning.

A few moments later, the Italian trudges off still gesticulating to himself, but seemingly perfectly happy. She looks over my way as if to say 'your move now, sailor. ' So I moved in. I said hello, she said hello, and she asked where I am from, and I said America, and she nodded approvingly. She asked where I am going, I said for a drink, you want to come? She said sure, after drink what we do? I said we go to my hotel and you take care me. She says ok, you want short time or long time? I say how much? She pauses, probably calculating the opportunity cost, the pain in the ankles of another hour in that spot, and the likelihood of getting someone substantially better (cleaner / more generous) than me.

She looks at me, and quietly says 1000b ST. Before I had time to even think it through, I agreed, nodding her in the direction of Suk. That's a good price, for more goods than I thought I would get tonight, so fuck yeah, let's go baby. She asks where I stay, and I told her the Aloft Hotel, and she pulls out her phone (an old clunker, by the way, not an iPhone) and calls someone. I asked who she called, and she said she has a taxi friend who was set to drive her and her customer to the hotel, and then he would wait for her until we are done. Maybe a pimp, or a boyfriend, or just a good business relationship, I don't know. But she said she canceled it with him since she does not need it: soi 11 is very close. That kind of made me feel better, actually.

A couple of notes, one about you, the readers, and the second about this taxi thing. First, I think we need to address the 1000b fee. This is, on my reading of this forum, a very low price, even for a SW. I think there are numerous reasons for why I got quoted this price, but suffice it to say that this is very much a YMMV issue. Just like #81 in R3 who couldn't give fuck-all about me and would probably quote 5000b for ST with me, and the girl I just got bounced by who would not budge from her initial 3000b quote, this girl was willing to go with me for this low price. All are cases of YMMV, but on opposite ends of the spectrum. I had a very similar experience with a Bacarra gogo girl a few nights later, and in that report I make a bigger point of this, so stay tuned. Second, the taxi thing, I believe, was not actually a regular deal that she had. I think the taxi guy was waiting for her on this occasion and this occasion only. Read below to see why.

So we walk up soi 11, which is a bit of a slog, but as we walked we talked. She was remarkably eloquent and articulate in English. She had an accent which I could detect but not place, so I asked her where she was from, and she said the northwest. I said where, and she said something, not sure what, but she then explained that she is from one of the hill tribes. Huh. That explains her exotic features. I couldn't understand which hill tribe, or which region in particular, nor the reasons for her being a WG, so that's all I have on that front. But that was a clue that this was no ordinary, ho-hum SW I had encountered tonight.

We get to the hotel (notice, we never went for a drink) , and again, we walk through the lobby unnoticed whatsoever. In the room, I offer her a drink, which she accepts (water, a good sign). We sit and talk for a few minutes while she sips her water and judges Kumbu. I am somewhat non-threatening: 5'10", brownish skin, might be confused for some variant of Thai, and so some girls feel comfortable with me. Others hate that appearance because they have sworn off Thai men forever, so it is a double-edged sword. But this girl definitely chilled with me, and we started talking about her village, her friends, her years as a bus station attendant, etc.

Finally we got to a silence in the conversation, and the time was something like 2am. Shit, I had to be up at 6am the next day for the longest work day of my 8 days here, what am I doing to myself? But she looks down at her feet and murmurs something softly. I leaned in and asked what. She said it again, but I still could not make it out, and then after another pregnant pause, she says it louder and more softly. She says 'I never be with customer before. You first time. '

Shit on my father's balls.

I did not need this at this point. Hell, I turned down the barely-pubescent girl at R1 earlier tonight precisely because I did not want to be the initiator for a newbie. But for once, I put myself aside for a moment and looked at her. She was fucking trembling. Her fingers were wringing themselves into spaghetti, and she was chewing her lower lip rawer than a freshly slaughtered goat. I looked at her, a lump arose in my throat, and I felt hollowness within me for some reason. On the one hand, this girl has chosen to get into the business, and so needs to deal with all the brutes that are out there. In the grand scheme of things, I am not the most brutish individual she will encounter, so that's (I suppose) the good news. But on the other hand, I imagined the next time she is with someone who wants something unusual (because we all do). Something that she might find distasteful, or even painful, and I looked at her trembling fingers and the gooseskin on her upper arms, and I just knew this girl was not made out for this line of work. She did not have it in her. It was like watching the gazelle run from the lion, dart this way and that, working at maximum capacity to try to save its own life. But as you watch the slow motion movements on the screen, you see the inevitability of that carotid artery eventually being met by fangs. And there's nothing anyone can do about it, this is just the way the world works.

All this happened in a span of 3 seconds, as we sat quietly on the couch in my room. She then jumped up and said 'shower! ' and walked off to take a shower. I sat there, on the verge of tears myself, wondering what kind of fucking crackpot I am. But as I regained some composure, I realized two important things. First, the heightened emotions and hyper-sensitivity I was feeling was very, very likely a result of my extreme fatigue. I mean, damn, it has been so long since I have had a good night's sleep, and the exertions I have put myself through are not even funny. So I guess it is normal to begin breaking down after a while. And second, I figured that this girl was in it for the money, and if money is what she needs, dammit, money I shall provide. What else could I do at this point? I couldn't turn her out, because she would eventually repeat with some other customer, be brutalized, and end her P4P career in tears. All that would be missing is Kumbu playing a positive part on her experience. So I decided to stick with it. And oh yeah, I WAS pretty horny.

She came out smelling all clean, and I ran in to take my shower. When I came out she was under the sheets watching tv. I got in next to her and we cuddled for a while. After a few minutes, she just suddenly turns over onto me and starts kissing my neck. It didn't feel right, it was forced. But I did not dissuade her. She kissed my neck, my shoulders, my chest, down to my belly, and was making for little Kumbu, and I then remembered Leggy from the night before, and I was not particularly in the mood for another savaging. So I pulled her up and over and I got on top of her. I reciprocated with the soft neck and shoulder kissing and for the first time I noticed her breasts. Goddam, they were ball-bustingly good. I mean, they were largish, perhaps a small C cup, but they were firm as hell, and shaped like breasts from heaven. Later, when she was sitting atop me, I would notice that they were a perfect bell shape, and fell in all the right directions in the right ways. But lying on her back, they fell off to the side, leaving me to cup them and lift them. And I just can't describe the phenomenal feeling they had in my hands. Firm, soft, hefty, and totally, totally real. Her nipples were a very light creme color, and they were tiny as hell. So I looked down at this bounty, shocked and surprised, and decided I needed to treat these jewels with the respect they deserve.

So I didn't kiss them. Yeah, that's right, I avoided them entirely. After my initial unrequited groping, I left them aside and kissed all around them, but not directly on them. I did not rub the nipples, or anything like that. The strategy was two-fold. First, with breasts like that, I am sure ever guy just digs in, and so that is likley what she expects of me. If I don't do that, however, it will increase her anticipation, and when I finally do stick my face and hands into those beauties, it will have a greater impact on her. That was my theory at least. And second, avoiding the breasts at first increased my own anticipation, and so when I finally dive in, it will be even better for me.

I kissed her around the breasts, then down to her belly, which was a little skinful, but firm enough, and then down to her hips. I kissed the hip bone on the left, then across the top of her pubic region to the right pubic bone, and when I made my gentle meandering way south, she tensed up. She put her hand on my chin and guided me away from her pussy. Too soon? I get that, and truth be told, I was not thrilled about doing DATY on a SW. So I kissed away from her pussy and down to her thighs, which were well textured and firm. I went down to her knees, which recall were a little jutty and bumpy (you know, the inside of the knee juts inside too much). I kissed that little jut on each knee, and then down to her calves, and I flipped her over to kiss her legs back up the other side. As I did so, she started getting nervous as I approached her ass. When I got to the base of her ass, she squirmed and tried turning over. I gently reassured her, but to no avail, and she turned over. So no Mission Accomplished for me tonight, sadly.

This was her first time, and I'm sure she was feeling very vulnerable, which I understood. But here's the problem. My Trojans are non-lubricated. If she does not allow me to get her wet, this ain't going to work. She was now on her back, so I worked my way up her belly to those monumental breasts, and again purposefully avoided all contact with them. I kissed right down the middle channel between her breasts, my ears grazing the soft, firm flesh, and up to her neck, where I began to explore the sensitivity of various regions. I discovered that she liked having air gently blown at the regions just beneath her ears. So I kissed from her ear lobe down the side of the neck, and then blew air gently at those same semi-moist spots all the way back. I did this a couple of times, and then repeated on the other side, and she was appreciating this. It was gentle, it was sensual, and it was warming her up.

I then went straight to her ear lobes, which just ignited her. She started groping my shoulders and moaning, and at first I was not sure if she liked it or if it was too intimate for her. But after a while, it was clear that this was doing the trick. Long story short: nuzzle, lick, blow, kiss, and eventually the men from Troy were ready to do battle.

I pull a Trojan out, rip it on, and I tried to insert little Kumbu, but couldn't. She tried to help, but together we could not figure this puzzle out. We tried for a full 60 seconds before we switched positions. She lay on her side, opened her legs and I could now see her pussy well. So I aim for the two lips, and penetrate ever so slightly, but then I hit a brick wall. I mean, I just could not get inside her. We tried again, but to no avail, and she giggled. I was not amused, so I asked her what was happening, and she said that I am too big. I seriously doubt that honey, unless you aperture is like f25, little Kumbu can squeeze into almost anything. Trust me, in my youth, I tried it all.

I tried to get her into doggie, but that wasn't going to work, so I flipped over and she straddled me and started fumbling with little Kumbu. He was a little dry still, meaning he had not picked up all of her moisture, and that was contributing to the difficulty, so I wriggled my hips a little to run him all over her pussy, getting the outside of the Trojan good and wet, and then we tried again. Once again, the head got in, but then I hit some kind of fleshy impediment. I've never experienced anything like this before, where I can get partially inside and then whammo, nothing. I was perhaps one inch into her, which was really not doing it because any back and forth and little Kumbu just popped right out.

Eventually little Kumbu managed to traverse the little barrier and I squeezed into her, somehow pointing slightly rightwards. It was almost as if her vagina was split into two, with a barrier in the middle (which is what I was bumping up against) , and when I got inside her, little Kumbu took the right path. And boy was it tight. I managed to get half way into her, and then she sat back down right on my balls so my dick was pointing downwards towards my feet while being inside her. She started to rock and it hurt. I mean, she was not trying to hurt me, but the pressure from her pubic bone right below the head, coupled with the friction from her pubic hair was kind of grating on little Kumbu, who for the second night in a row was taking a beating.

I opened my legs a little to reduce the pressure, and this helped a lot, and so now I could allow her to rock and sway as she pleased. She was leaning forward, and her breasts were swaying too and fro. They were gorgeous, gorgeous architectural wonders. I put my hands on her hips and slowly moved them up her side, inhaling all the way up, enjoying the supreme intoxication of the vision of her breasts and the softness of her skin on my fingers. I got to the bottom of her breasts and placed my hands beneath them, palms facing away from me, flat against her chest behind her breasts, and her breasts supported by the crook between my thumb and index finger.

I slowly lifted the breasts like this, and they were downright heavy. They had these little speckles on them, like chicken skin, but very mild, and it was driving me nuts! That was the most beautiful thing ever, and I wanted it in my mouth. But no, not yet, hold your horses Kumbu (and little Kumbu too). So I played with them indirectly this way for a while. I lifted them, let them fall, swayed them this way and that way, watched them jiggle, watched them bounce, and I could feel little Kumbu getting ready for his swan song.

So I pulled out. Little Kumbu popped up onto my belly, and she sat flush againt his underside. Oh my, that felt good. She then started gyrating, squashing little Kumbu between her pussy and my belly, and it was wonderful. At this point I lost my control and started to grope her breasts madly. I just went wild: I squashed them, poked them, pinched them, rubbed the nipples, squeezed them together, let them fall, lifted one, then the other, then the one again, etc. And finally, I lifted them together, squashed them together with the nipples within an inch of each other, and greedily stuck both nipples into my mouth at the same time (yes, her breasts allowed that). She let out a little cry, and I sucked heartily, my own spittle dripping everywhere in a mad frenzy of breast engorgement. I swished my tongue all around the double nipple sandwich I had prepared for myself, and squeezed with my hands in the meantime. It was breast indulgence the likes of which I have not had in years. This was a thousand times better than the fake boobies of Leggy from last night. These were real, these were large, and these were SPEC-tacular.

The fatigue must have been massive, because as the frenzy continued, I heard music in the background, obviously in my mind alone. It was a guitar song with a beat, with lyrics that stuck and a deep rough voice like no other. It was familiar, but I could not quite place it, but I knew it was a song from my past, and it would eventually surface.

A few moments later, I exploded and I grabbed her back and pushed my face between her breasts as I climaxed. She used her hands to push the breasts tight against my face, giving me a breast hug, if you will, and I spent myself in pleasure and energy, gasping for air in that tight breast embrace. I held that position for a good 2 minutes afterwards, breathing heavily, and gently kissing the side of her breast where my face was scrunched. As I sat there, breathing heavily, breasts all around my face, the delirium of fatigue and breast-overload overcoming me, I turned my face upwards slightly and I don't know why, but I whispered:

Girl you look so pretty to me,

Like it always did.

Like the Spanish city to me.

When we were kids.

She did not understand, but she smiled and held me tight and gently rocked me as I whispered the lyrics again. Relaxation washed across me as the sultry licks of Knopfler engulfed my semi-conscious mind, and the smell of semen from beneath and spittle from all around created a humid, protective womb for the slowly regressing Kumbu. This lasted several minutes before she eventually released me, showered, and dressed. I went to the hotel safe and pulled out 2000b and slipped it into her purse. I kissed her on the forehead and told her to be safe, and she left. I slept that night without showering, a strict no-no in Kumbu's book of hygienic etiquette, but I slept soundly for a full 3 hours, before I awoke for a long day at work.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1457995]I went to the hotel safe and pulled out 2000b and slipped it into her purse. I kissed her on the forehead and told her to be safe, and she left. I slept that night without showering, a strict no-no in Kumbu's book of hygienic etiquette, but I slept soundly for a full 3 hours, before I awoke for a long day at work.[/QUOTE]If you paid a Nana streetwalker 2000 short time you overpaid by at least 100 percent.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1457995]She was remarkably eloquent and articulate in English.[/QUOTE]It's nice to come across well spoken English speakers but I wouldn't necessarily be so impressed with that. That just means they've taken over 100 Caucasian loads to the face then your average Thai pro.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1456297]Wow. And people think I'm paranoid. LOL.

So your reason for not carrying a passport is there are no honest Buddha fearing cops in Thailand who would take you to the station for not having your passport? And there are no cops in Siam who would detain you for not having your passport if you were rude to them or ticked them off when they were having a bad hair day, or they felt like teaching this farang a lesson?

Dream on.[/QUOTE]No, just spent too long in Asia to think that I'm in control and that some document will protect me. Buddhism doesn't mean shit, its simply another way to exert social control. Baht will always do the trick, its the price you have to agree on.

A topic that needs revisiting.

Thai man bad sex tourist good. LOL.

Girls who say Thai man is bad are prolly bad girls. LOL. I go to shopping centers all I see is Thai couples. Exceptions duly noted-we all know many hot young Thai girls find pensioners, no hair, fat, smelly, very attractive. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1457944]Beauty is not about white skin too. Take a look at this model. This is really absolutely my desired spec in both face and body. Far too stunning to find anything like this in a bar or MP. Her skin is not white. Who cares? Exotically gorgeous.

[url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-07/04/c_131691446_9.htm[/url][/QUOTE]It's so, so easy to find better looking girls than that in Bangkok. And I mean P4P in the NEP area only.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1457995]This is part 2 of the 2 part description of Sunday night.[/QUOTE]Wow!

Giotto

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1457984]Agree, her PICS are gorgeous. That's kinda stating the obvious. Consider this: If you took pics of any high quality Thai MP girls and applied as much photoshopping (skin completely blurred) as applied to your SI beach model, dressed them up in a sexy bikini, applied a $200 hairstyling and put them on an exotic beach, they would look much tastier. On the other hand, if you take any SI model and put her onto a ratty go go stage / fishbowl lineup without the benefit of heavy styling and photoshop, you might have a different opinion. For me, I can't remember the last time I got a product that matched its magazine photo. Just a view. AR[/QUOTE]Sure the models are "improved" a bit. Her hair could be a mess and no makeup and she would still look good. The main point was that the skin is not white (Beauty does not equal white) and secondly that you don't find this good when mongering, despite what you say. This girl can make big money without fucking for it. She can afford to fuck for fun instead. A girl this good would last less than 1 week in the mongering business before getting too good an offer to stay, I reckon.

Even a wayward sex bomb called "Ma" at Suzie Wong, with child and saggy tits, who was only moderately good looking didn't last more than a few months, before someone did not want to share any more. I was disappointed to see her go. A jolly good lay. LOL. The very pretty Noo Dee will be gone very soon even though only a very average performer.

Was this 'Crazy House' on the left side of Soi 23 a few yards from Soi Cowboy? I was in there that night but upstairs playing with the girls dancing on the see through floor with a few sailors from that Colombian Tall Masted Ship in port. Someone mentioned a minor commotion down below though I could see anything nor did I really care with Lek in my hands. It was her first night working (from Nongkai).

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1457619]SNIPPED. We round the corner to soi 23, and he stops in front of a gogo bar on that soi, around 20 yards down from soi Cowboy itself, and he says to go inside this joint. I asked him how much for the taxi fare, and he said to just go into the bar. So I figured he had a deal with the bar where if he drops off customers who go into the bar, he gets his fare paid by the bar. I've seen this at the nightclubs like Spicey and Bossy, but never with a gogo bar. But hey, no fare for me, that's cool.

So Bluey and I go in, and the pickings are pretty meager. We both order water and as we wait, the tout comes and says the taxi driver wants to get paid. Bluey and I figure that if we have to pay a taxi fare, then fuck this sorry-ass gogo bar, so we trot outside and there's the guy with his hand out. He says '100 baht', and I balked, countering 40 baht, and he balked. I know better than to cross a taxi driver, even one that is clearly hustling me, so I pulled out three 20s, and he takes them and splits. He clearly got the better of this deal, but the difference between me paying the expected 45b fare, or 60b, or 300b for two waters in the gogo bar, I think 60b ain't too bad.

We start walking away, and then there's the little matter of the gogo bar, where we had a drink order in and we bailed before receiving or paying for the drinks. The mama san shouts out to the tout to go get us, and he calls us back. Uh-oh. This was a little delicate. But I just told the guy what had happened: 'taxi man say if we go inside gogo bar, we no pay taxi. But then he want money, so we no go into gogo. Sorry, ok? ' and the guy understood, and gave us a little waive. The mama san was none too happy, but before anything else could happen, Bluey and I had turned the corner into soi Cowboy. SNIPPED.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1458112]Was this 'Crazy House' on the left side of Soi 23 a few yards from Soi Cowboy? I was in there that night[/QUOTE]Sounds like the joint, although I never saw the name of the place (too much other stuff happening, like trying to avoid getting the sword from a taxi guy or a gogo tout, as described in my original post)

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff; 1458014]If you paid a Nana streetwalker 2000 short time you overpaid by at least 100 percent.

It's nice to come across well spoken English speakers but I wouldn't necessarily be so impressed with that. That just means they've taken over 100 Caucasian loads to the face then your average Thai pro.[/QUOTE]A cynical and ridiculous pst from someone who knows nothing about the scene in Bangkok.

There is no such thing as over-paying a WG. What you pay is purely a personal decision. She asked for Baht 1, 000, a very reasonable figure and he chose to tip her. What you magisterially and pompously claim is over-paying is rubbish.

You have an equally ridiculous view of the reason she had a reasonable knowledge of English. Not all WGs are rice planters from Issan with little English; I have met many Thais who have made an effort to learn English and speak it well. Without as you crudely put it 'having taken loads in the face."

We could well do without your opinions based on ignorance.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1457995]Once again, the head got in, but then I hit some kind of fleshy impediment. I've never experienced anything like this before, where I can get partially inside and then whammo, nothing. I was perhaps one inch into her, which was really not doing it because any back and forth and little Kumbu just popped right out.[/QUOTE]So was she a virgin or not? Its like you are describing all aspects of breaking her but don't want to admit it? Otherwise a sponge shoved up there is a problem I sometimes encounter, and finally there are girls that are just excessively tight and have crooked vaginas making it more difficult for a dick that doesn't bend in the same direction.

O.K. maybe was a dumb question I never actually met any Thai girl over 16 that was a virgin. LOL Perhaps lack of broad experience.
I did take a drink waitress who was "supposedly" first time with a customer, but can't be too sure. Perhaps she secretly met up with customer already.

You want to consider having lube just in case. I always have it.

[quote=scorchin; 1458121]a cynical and ridiculous pst from someone who knows nothing about the scene in bangkok.

there is no such thing as over-paying a wg. what you pay is purely a personal decision. she asked for baht 1, 000, a very reasonable figure and he chose to tip her. what you magisterially and pompously claim is over-paying is rubbish.

you have an equally ridiculous view of the reason she had a reasonable knowledge of english. not all wgs are rice planters from issan with little english; i have met many thais who have made an effort to learn english and speak it well. without as you crudely put it 'having taken loads in the face."

we could well do without your opinions based on ignorance.[/quote]looks like another goo-goo eyed over payer spotted.

sure everyone over pay, then you have one toothless crack head hooker left in the world and no isg forum. you will be doing the world a favor by leaving all of mankind with blue balls and major depression which will result in a worldwide [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and violence.

and a well spoken english street walker didn't learn it by reciting shakespeare. she picked it up from constantly being around white guys that wanted their dick in her mouth in which she obliged.

truth hurts.

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff; 1458014]If you paid a Nana streetwalker 2000 short time you overpaid by at least 100 percent.

It's nice to come across well spoken English speakers but I wouldn't necessarily be so impressed with that. That just means they've taken over 100 Caucasian loads to the face then your average Thai pro.[/QUOTE]It is a service not buying a satay from a street cart. If you want, he paid 1000 baht and a 1000 B tip for a great service. Mister know it all. (Sorry scorchin, I saw your reply after I posted this)

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1458112]Was this 'Crazy House' on the left side of Soi 23 a few yards from Soi Cowboy? I was in there that night but upstairs playing with the girls dancing on the see through floor with a few sailors from that Colombian Tall Masted Ship in port. Someone mentioned a minor commotion down below though I could see anything nor did I really care with Lek in my hands. It was her first night working (from Nongkai).[/QUOTE]Crazy House is actually a fairly interesting gogo bar imo. It just opened a few weeks ago and I came thru an invite from a Mamasan at Pretty Lady in the Plaza who moved there and took a bunch of girls from the Plaza with her. You have two floors of gogo dancers, then a third floor with a restaurant and a 4th floor that becomes a late night disco. It is still undiscovered territory so not a lot of customers thus far. 50% of the girls are in bikinis and 50% are in nothing. There are not that many good looking girls but there are more than in most gogos in Nana Plaza these days (which has hit rock bottom due to the police raid, the slow season and God knows what else). If you go up to the 2nd floor it is very casual. Girls naked on poles right in front of you. It can get very touchy feely depending on the girl. You have to keep your eyes open but good looking girls are to be had. I went up to the restaurant and there were 2 sweeties up there chowing down. Definitely a place I want to revisit and I generally hate Soi Cowboy.

Started at Rainbow 4. Guys keep showing up even if the girls don't. LOL. Like I said before.where else are we going to go?

Had a fleeting moment where I thought I might try out the number 1 agogo superstar in all of Thailand besides NooDee#37-but she disappeared into the night-probably another bf, I saw her coming back from one.

Went to Rainbow 2, it was as packed as I've ever seen the place. I inquired about barfining a girl actually asking price, she said 2,000 was ok but I just couldn't go with it, nice tits but deameanor was a bit sour. Then a girl I really wanted to try came back from a barfine, got a price of under 2,500, off we went.

The most easy girl to get along with in all my encounters. Very decent face and nice tits, a cupple of teeth pointing in opposite directions but that is par for the course with thai girls. LOL. No time pressure at all. She was willing to massage me like I massage my favorite Rainbow 4 girl. LOL. All in all well worth the $90 spent.

I'm pretty sure with my direction this girl could massage me the way I want it done. LOL. She was better than all of the VIP girls I've tried recently.

English speaking bargirls? It really is true girls who speak good English tend to have taken bucket loads of caucasian jism in all their various holes. LOL. This is one of those things guys who go for Farang style girls don't want to admit.

If your honey speaks decent English she is prolly dark skin farang style girl. Prolly a bit on the unattractive side to boot.

I asked my barfine if there were girls who just werent barfined. She said yes. LOL. Passes my eyeball test. Some girls are just unattractive as can be.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1458175]Crazy House is actually a fairly interesting gogo bar imo. It just opened a few weeks ago and I came thru an invite from a Mamasan at Pretty Lady in the Plaza who moved there and took a bunch of girls from the Plaza with her. You have two floors of gogo dancers, then a third floor with a restaurant and a 4th floor that becomes a late night disco. It is still undiscovered territory so not a lot of customers thus far. 50% of the girls are in bikinis and 50% are in nothing. There are not that many good looking girls but there are more than in most gogos in Nana Plaza these days (which has hit rock bottom due to the police raid, the slow season and God knows what else). If you go up to the 2nd floor it is very casual. Girls naked on poles right in front of you. It can get very touchy feely depending on the girl. You have to keep your eyes open but good looking girls are to be had. I went up to the restaurant and there were 2 sweeties up there chowing down. Definitely a place I want to revisit and I generally hate Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]May have to try based on your recommendation. LOL.

Its the God knows what else is puzzling me. Just can't figure it out. A decent looking Asian style girl would be raking in the baht at Rainbow 4 right now. Very little competition.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1458132]So was she a virgin or not? Its like you are describing all aspects of breaking her but don't want to admit it?[/QUOTE]Did not mean to imply that she was a virgin. When she said 'never been with customer', I certainly did not take that to mean 'never been with any man'. Also, the impediment was not really like breaking a virgin. As I said in the post, it was as if there was some kind of barrier right in the middle of her vagina, not like a hymen. The hymen, as I am sure you all know, is a circular ring of flesh that the penis goes through, and the myth of 'breaking' a virgin is just that: a myth. The hymen rarely breaks, it more often tears due to inadequate lubrication or forceful entry, or the inability of the girl to relax her muscles.

So no, I don't believe she was a virgin. I did some googling, and I think it might have been something like a septate vagina (go ahead, google it). I am no doctor, so this is just ignorant internet guessing, but it was like she had two vaginas, divided longitudinally by a barrier of flesh. I've never experienced anything like it, and so I really can't describe it any better, sorry.

I couldn't read the entire post, just too much boring stuff for me. However, two things stuck out to me hard "perfect" breasts, and shallow vagina. This means ladyboy. I don't believe you were her first customer. She's too seasoned by having the driver on standby.

Also, a first timer is unlikely to do Nana parking lot (notorious for LBs) and would more likely go to a club or even just the internet.

[quote=neverjerkoff; 1458161]looks like another goo-goo eyed over payer spotted.

sure everyone over pay, then you have one toothless crack head hooker left in the world and no isg forum. you will be doing the world a favor by leaving all of mankind with blue balls and major depression which will result in a worldwide [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and violence.

and a well spoken english street walker didn't learn it by reciting shakespeare. she picked it up from constantly being around white guys that wanted their dick in her mouth in which she obliged.

truth hurts.[/quote]i am not certain who appointed you as arbiter of prices but you seem to lack any real experience of the thai market and the underlying economic forces which determine prices. there is a difference between the fee (in this case baht 1, 000 st which was totally consistent with sws) and any tip a monger may care to give.

as for your naive hypothesis. it's been done to death by those totally ignorant of reality.

i find it grossly insulting to thais to suggest that well spoken thai sws learn their english from punters. the thai educational system is good by related countries and english is regarded as a useful language to learn.

you won't make many friends there if you continue your derogatory attitude.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1458248]I am not certain who appointed you as arbiter of prices but you seem to lack any real experience of the Thai market and the underlying economic forces which determine prices. There is a difference between the fee (in this case Baht 1, 000 ST which was totally consistent with SWs) and any tip a monger may care to give.

As for your naive hypothesis. It's been done to death by those totally ignorant of reality.

I find it grossly insulting to Thais to suggest that well spoken Thai SWs learn their English from punters. The Thai educational system is good by related countries and English is regarded as a useful language to learn.

You won't make many friends there if you continue your derogatory attitude.[/QUOTE]Are you native Thai by any chance as you get so insulted? No need to take it as a personal attack if you like many of the rest of us comes from abroad (and enjoy I might add what is on offer girlwice here) And no need to take it personaly if you are Thai either. The Jerkoff guy have some harsh statements but to some extent I will follow him without ofcourse talking down on anyone. This is by far no debate of the thai edu system but from my knowledge of thai sexworkers they are more likely to have been taken out of school at young age to help farming rather than learn english. There are ofcourse expectations in the more hi so sexenvironment as in delux escorts and prostututes. A sexworker placed in Nana P lot is quite low on the sexworker hiarkee but probably better off than the shadiest of streetwalker and even worse, ladies surrounding Lumpini park, but by far no top students are to be found nor here or there also when it comes to languageskills. So my guess without talking down on anyone would be that englishskills are picked up through involvement with westerners rather than high degree of english edu (then you would not find this chick in Nana P-lot).

I indulge myself into rather high educated thaigirls at times and they have a high degrees and speak english rather well (some even can say the famous R correctly and not make it sound like L). These girls you will not find even close to a p4p area (ofcourse a hiclass shoppingmall in the area will make exceptions at times). If we go into yhe "famous" freelanceclubs as Climax, Levels, BASH, Insanity, Thermae, Spasso, CM2, Q-Bar etc you can run into some well educated ones on rare occations needing some extra cashflow. But mostly freelancers frequent places mentioned have their basic englishskills from elsewhere than from edu according to themself(have not spoken to all of them ofcourse but i have spoken to many enough so i can get a feel of their edu level in general)NB! Here you can also run into none p4p's some places more likely than others. But I feel we have to agree that regarding sexworkers their level of english mostly comes from dealing with western punters wanting to besex them(have never seen they watch english movies but rather thaisoaps, korean soaps etc so they have in general not picked up english through TV). I am ofcourse aware of there may be exceptions in rare cases but not in general. That is my bold statement. I don't go to Thailand to make a hostile environment but I don't go to make a lot of friends either. My goal is to deal with fabelous thai pussy as much as I can and be a nice chap.

[QUOTE=RBDave; 1458234]I couldn't read the entire post, just too much boring stuff for me. However, two things stuck out to me hard "perfect" breasts, and shallow vagina. This means ladyboy. I don't believe you were her first customer. She's too seasoned by having the driver on standby.

Also, a first timer is unlikely to do Nana parking lot (notorious for LBs) and would more likely go to a club or even just the internet.[/QUOTE]RBDave, surprised to see you trolling here, given your previous post history. But I will indulge you.

Definitely not LB. Her breasts were not hard, they were firm, and her vagina was not shallow, it was divided (both points actually mentioned in the report). Also, I think the taxi guy was on standby BECAUSE it was her first time: she was nervous. I know, I know, the post was TL, so DR, but perhaps DC if you DR.

But I don't feel particularly strong about any of this. I'm not into LBs: they neither attract me nor frighten me. If she was a LB and I never knew it, then she wasn't a LB to me. Also, it is entirely possible that she lied to me about being her first customer. I have no doubt that people lie. I don't believe that was the case, but I have been plenty wrong in the past.

[QUOTE=Scorchin]I am not certain who appointed you as arbiter of prices[/QUOTE]Scorchin, not sure you want to get into a shit-flinging contest with people who post such comments. They tend to have a lot of shit nearby to fling.

[QUOTE=Skogi]If we go into yhe "famous" freelanceclubs as Climax, Levels, BASH, Insanity, Thermae, Spasso, CM2, Q-Bar etc you can run into some well educated ones on rare occations needing some extra cashflow.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I picked up a girl from Climax who was there just for fun. Her parents were rich, her English was exquisite, and she was there because she enjoyed the sex from farangs. I reported on this lass for each of the times I went with her (her name was the ubiquitous Lek, and she was indeed very lek, around 4'11") , so you can go back and check. My point: if such things are possible, albeit rare, in Climax, then surely they are possible elsewhere too. I don't actually know how well educated this current girl was, but it was not bar girl speak that she had mastered. She spoke good English, and that's not the kind of thing you just pick up being around foreigners. But it's a pointless discussion, in my opinion: what difference does it make how she learned her English?

[QUOTE=Skogi]My goal is to deal with fabelous thai pussy as much as I can and be a nice chap.[/QUOTE]And by my estimation, you succeed on both accounts.

I have to catch an early flight home on Friday, any suggestions on a 3 am visit from some service? Not expensive escort but mp visit?

[QUOTE=TConor;1458291]I have to catch an early flight home on Friday, any suggestions on a 3 am visit from some service? Not expensive escort but mp visit?[/QUOTE]Why not just take a stroll through the p4p areas of BKK and hook up with someone on a ST kind of deal. You can regulate exact timing yourself and maby even involve reception so you get your wake up all. Everything, and I mean everything, is possible in Bangkok and this small matter is easy solved. The last release / ejac is allways a nice one before heading home / away from BKK. From some reason unknown to man I like my last drops to be shared on a girl through a CIF before leaving.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1458270]I indulge myself into rather high educated thaigirls at times and they have a high degrees and speak english rather well (some even can say the famous R correctly and not make it sound like L). These girls you will not find even close to a p4p area (ofcourse a hiclass shoppingmall in the area will make exceptions at times). If we go into yhe "famous" freelanceclubs as Climax, Levels, BASH, Insanity, Thermae, Spasso, CM2, Q-Bar etc you can run into some well educated ones on rare occations needing some extra cashflow. But mostly freelancers frequent places mentioned have their basic englishskills from elsewhere than from edu according to themself(have not spoken to all of them ofcourse but i have spoken to many enough so i can get a feel of their edu level in general)NB! Here you can also run into none p4p's some places more likely than others. But I feel we have to agree that regarding sexworkers their level of english mostly comes from dealing with western punters wanting to besex them(have never seen they watch english movies but rather thaisoaps, korean soaps etc so they have in general not picked up english through TV). I am ofcourse aware of there may be exceptions in rare cases but not in general. That is my bold statement. I don't go to Thailand to make a hostile environment but I don't go to make a lot of friends either. My goal is to deal with fabelous thai pussy as much as I can and be a nice chap.[/QUOTE]Where do you meet these high falutin' educated girls, at Pizza Hut? Plenty of well educated Thai girls ordering overpriced shit pizza there

Highly educated Thai girl, an oxymoron, if you ask me, if they've only been schooled within the borders of Thailand. My hiso educated GF with a degree in marketing is an idiot when it comes to math. I asked her what 7x9 is and she had to hem and haw before she could answer, almost broke out the calculator to solve this puzzle. Ask them where Mexico is and they'll point to Canada. Ask them who Julius Caesar is and they'll respond with does he play for Manchester U?

However, I did meet two educated girls from online dating site, one studied in the US, but her attitude was shitty and the slightest thing annoyed her. In addition, she was a bit pumpui and pigged faced. Met another one with a quality job, her tits and body were incredible, but sadly her face was quite ugly but the tits and body alone made it worth the while (natural ones I might add) to exchange bodily fluids with.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1458334]Where do you meet these high falutin' educated girls, at Pizza Hut? Plenty of well educated Thai girls ordering overpriced shit pizza there[/QUOTE]Hm maby not at Pizza Hut but I know they do like pizza sometimes. I meet them through various sources and through friends. One even met in Norway when she was in a exchange program from her Thammasat uni). Requires high maintainance (as wine, dine and clubbingprogram mostly are on me the old fashion way. Sometimes they do chip in thanks God as a Lebua dinner at the Dome, NOT Scirocco, easily can hit 25k numbers).

But I will for sure ask if they do eat at Pizza Hut as well.

My GF teaches MBA in a prominent university in BKK. Her English level was zero when we met (Now these days it has been improved). I met with her friends and students in many occasion. In terms of talking with them they giggles or laughs. Communicating in English, just a joke.

What about in a touristic zone? Even a girl comes from a rural part of Thailand and works in beach road in pattya, serves nice with her quickly learned English.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1458334]Where do you meet these high falutin' educated girls, at Pizza Hut? Plenty of well educated Thai girls ordering overpriced shit pizza there.

Highly educated Thai girl, an oxymoron[/QUOTE]What about:

Dr Sansanee Noisakran, National Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology.

Dr Punnama Siriphanon, Department of Chemistry, Faculty of Science at King's Mongkut's Institute of Technology.

Dr Atitaya Siripinyanond, Department of Chemistry, Faculty of Science, Mahidol University

[QUOTE=Skogis;1458270]I indulge myself into rather high educated thaigirls at times and they have a high degrees and speak english rather well (some even can say the famous R correctly and not make it sound like L). These girls you will not find even close to a p4p area (ofcourse a hiclass shoppingmall in the area will make exceptions at times). If we go into yhe "famous" freelanceclubs as Climax, Levels, BASH, Insanity, Thermae, Spasso, CM2, Q-Bar etc you can run into some well educated ones on rare occations needing some extra cashflow.[/QUOTE]About 2 years ago on several occasions I saw a Nana Parking Lot girl who said she was a travel agent & spoke perfect English. She was extremely pretty, looked to be about 25, no more than 5 feet tall, with a perfect spinner body.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1458270]But mostly freelancers frequent places mentioned have their basic englishskills from elsewhere than from edu according to themself(have not spoken to all of them ofcourse but i have spoken to many enough so i can get a feel of their edu level in general)NB! Here you can also run into none p4p's some places more likely than others. But I feel we have to agree that regarding sexworkers their level of english mostly comes from dealing with western punters wanting to besex them(have never seen they watch english movies but rather thaisoaps, korean soaps etc so they have in general not picked up english through TV). I am ofcourse aware of there may be exceptions in rare cases but not in general. That is my bold statement. I don't go to Thailand to make a hostile environment but I don't go to make a lot of friends either. My goal is to deal with fabelous thai pussy as much as I can and be a nice chap.[/QUOTE]I've had a few street walkers in my room who watched English movies. That's a useful device for picking up the language as they can match the words spoken & how to say them with the Thai subtitles.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1458334]Where do you meet these high falutin' educated girls, at Pizza Hut? Plenty of well educated Thai girls ordering overpriced shit pizza there.

Highly educated Thai girl, an oxymoron, if you ask me, if they've only been schooled within the borders of Thailand. My hiso educated GF with a degree in marketing is an idiot when it comes to math. I asked her what 7x9 is and she had to hem and haw before she could answer, almost broke out the calculator to solve this puzzle. Ask them where Mexico is and they'll point to Canada. Ask them who Julius Caesar is and they'll respond with does he play for Manchester U?

However, I did meet two educated girls from online dating site, one studied in the US, but her attitude was shitty and the slightest thing annoyed her. In addition, she was a bit pumpui and pigged faced. Met another one with a quality job, her tits and body were incredible, but sadly her face was quite ugly but the tits and body alone made it worth the while (natural ones I might add) to exchange bodily fluids with.[/QUOTE]Your "educated" GF is obviously not so well educated after all. Some Americans can be similar. Like "Do the beaches in Australia have any sand?" OS news in the USA concerns only the country being visited by the president or where US troops are stationed. If the USA is not involved in a major way, then forget it. LOL.

It reads more like your attitude is shitty. Its easy to find lots of Thais with proper degrees from Universities in the US, England, Australia etc. Just where I go to the dentist for example, you can see all the OS degrees mounted on the walls. I don't think they are fake. Many Thais have high standards of decorum, so yes can be easy to irritate them when behaviour does not match their standard of social values. They are not like bar girls who may accept the non classy behaviour. I higher standard of politeness is required in Thailand.

Some of the Thai behavioural standards are confusing to us, but we have to learn.

Seems to be silly dating a girl when you don't like her looks.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1458367]Hm maby not at Pizza Hut but I know they do like pizza sometimes.[/QUOTE]Typical Thai pizza from Pizza hut or delivery from "The Pizza Co." are stunningly bad Pizza IMHO. Even the thin crust ones seem very bready. I lot of runny sweet sauces on their Pizzas too and poor quality toppings. Thais seem to like a completely different style of Pizza to what Farangs are used to, and then will smother it with loads of Ketchup. To eat Pizza in Thailand, you need to find a restaurant that does a good Italian or at least Farang style Pizza.

At Pizza hut, I found the black spaghetti with muscles and seafood wasn't bad, but did not like the Pizza. When in Thailand is safer to eat Thai food for the most part. Very good Farang food can be rather expensive, unless basic stuff from a sports bar for example.

[QUOTE=RBDave;1458234]Also, a first timer is unlikely to do Nana parking lot (notorious for LBs) and would more likely go to a club or even just the internet.[/QUOTE]Nana car park doesn't have LB's, they are on the street and at the entrance of NEP. I also depends on the hour of the night (more after the NEP LB bars close at 2am)

This just for the sake of proper information.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1458419]Typical Thai pizza from Pizza hut or delivery from "The Pizza Co." are stunningly bad Pizza IMHO. Even the thin crust ones seem very bready. I lot of runny sweet sauces on their Pizzas too and poor quality toppings. Thais seem to like a completely different style of Pizza to what Farangs are used to, and then will smother it with loads of Ketchup. To eat Pizza in Thailand, you need to find a restaurant that does a good Italian or at least Farang style Pizza.[/QUOTE]Personal preference + not all farang are the same. I'm American farang and I find the farang pizza and farang lasagna in Italy to be total shit. I once went to a pizza shop in my own city to get a pie. I complained that it appeared to just be cheese and bread and no sauce. He said that is how it is supposed to be and that I should have asked for extra sauce. On the other hand, I find the pizza in Thailand to be acceptable (the pussy as well).

[quote=neverjerkoff;1458161]looks like another goo-goo eyed over payer spotted.sure everyone over pay, then you have one toothless crack head hooker left in the world and no isg forum. you will be doing the world a favor by leaving all of mankind with blue balls and major depression which will result in a worldwide [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and violence.[/quote]sorry, i really tried not to respond to this post but as you see i failed. what someone decides to pay a girl for sex is their business and no one else's. i think kumbu already felt a twinge of sorrow towards the girl as she stated he was her first customer. ok let's assume she is lying, not uncommon amongst working girls, she displayed visible signs of stress and was extremely nervous. i am guessing here but i think kumbu decided to tip / compensate her for overcoming her reluctance and providing him with what he considered good service. even if he paid her 4000 baht it is his right to do so. as for world wide social order collapsing because someone paid a working girl 1000 baht extra is a bit of a quantum leap don't you think? that part really made me laugh.

regards,

bj

Having read Mr K reports-the non sexual parts I'm pretty sure he didn't tip the hill tribe girl 1,000. Its a technique used to keep interest. He being a veteran is highly unlikely to overpay a bottom of the barrel type girl. Which as someone said Nana carpark is almost THE low end of low end hookers. The absolute low being lumpini park. LOL. Never been but I can tell. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1458399]What about:

Dr Sansanee Noisakran, National Centre for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology.

Dr Punnama Siriphanon, Department of Chemistry, Faculty of Science at King's Mongkut's Institute of Technology.

Dr Atitaya Siripinyanond, Department of Chemistry, Faculty of Science, Mahidol University[/QUOTE]Which bars do these girls work at? I want to go take a look at a highly edukated hooker. LOL.

Ps I can't tell if my hookers are smart or not. Something about them not understanding English and me not understanding Thai.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1458476]Personal preference + not all farang are the same. I'm American farang and I find the farang pizza and farang lasagna in Italy to be total shit. I once went to a pizza shop in my own city to get a pie. I complained that it appeared to just be cheese and bread and no sauce. He said that is how it is supposed to be and that I should have asked for extra sauce. On the other hand, I find the pizza in Thailand to be acceptable (the pussy as well).[/QUOTE]Some Pizza in Thailand is quite acceptable, sure. I named two sources that are rather poor however. Maybe you didn't try Pizza Co. Delivery?

Can't really say I understand how a "pie" would be cheese and bread and why you would get it at a Pizza shop. That didn't make a lot of sense to me. Are you referring to those special fold over pizzas? My country does not have them at all.

I suppose I should be in the general thread. Sorry about that.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1458419]Typical Thai pizza from Pizza hut or delivery from "The Pizza Co." are stunningly bad Pizza IMHO. Even the thin crust ones seem very bready. I lot of runny sweet sauces on their Pizzas too and poor quality toppings. Thais seem to like a completely different style of Pizza to what Farangs are used to, and then will smother it with loads of Ketchup. To eat Pizza in Thailand, you need to find a restaurant that does a good Italian or at least Farang style Pizza.

At Pizza hut, I found the black spaghetti with muscles and seafood wasn't bad, but did not like the Pizza. When in Thailand is safer to eat Thai food for the most part. Very good Farang food can be rather expensive, unless basic stuff from a sports bar for example.[/QUOTE]Without this turning into a "chefs abroad" thread I do agree that the pizza here stinks more or less from where I have eaten (Pizza Hut incl). I am no fan of Thai food so I have found a decent restaurant in Silom called Indigo (french owned) and they do deliver the best grilled norwegian salmon I ever had. But I am no high sensation seeker when it comes to dining (I am a spoiled brat realy) and eat only a few basic things wherever I am in the world (back home incl). I can enjoy some pork on stick for some snacky snacks at times though.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1458446]Nana car park doesn't have LB's, they are on the street and at the entrance of NEP. I also depends on the hour of the night (more after the NEP LB bars close at 2am)

This just for the sake of proper information.[/QUOTE]Huh? Not sure what your definition of Nana Parking Lot is but it most certainly has LB's within the perimeter of the parking lot. More of them then girls on some nights.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1458334]Highly educated Thai girl, an oxymoron, if you ask me, if they've only been schooled within the borders of Thailand. My hiso educated GF with a degree in marketing is an idiot when it comes to math. I asked her what 7x9 is and she had to hem and haw before she could answer, almost broke out the calculator to solve this puzzle. Ask them where Mexico is and they'll point to Canada. Ask them who Julius Caesar is and they'll respond with does he play for Manchester U?[/QUOTE]Speaking of math and numbers this reminds me of my swiss / thai "friend". She has studied mathmatics and businessmanagement in Geneva. Now she is about to finish her law degree at Chulalongkorn Uni. Her folks moved back to Bangkok. She is a numberhandler I rarerly seen before and do fairly well in the stock exchange market doing some part time work for a brokerage house. She handles some of my savings buying and selling in her name. I trust her as she has loads of money herself. So this girl is by far no idiot and would solve the 7x9 puzzle in a blink, hehe.

The only disadvantage dealing with such girls happened a few weeks back when she suddenly told me she and a friend of hers would arrive the next morning with a Thai flight in Oslo. So in many ways it is safer dealing with people not beeing able to travel without our assistance. Atleast it reduces possible unwanted surprises to a minimum for us that leads atleast a doublelife with GF's back home. Scary shit realy.

Have you even been to Bangkok?

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1458446]Nana car park doesn't have LB's, they are on the street and at the entrance of NEP. I also depends on the hour of the night (more after the NEP LB bars close at 2am)

This just for the sake of proper information.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1458334]However, I did meet two educated girls from online dating site, one studied in the US, but her attitude was shitty and the slightest thing annoyed her. In addition, she was a bit pumpui and pigged faced. Met another one with a quality job, her tits and body were incredible, but sadly her face was quite ugly but the tits and body alone made it worth the while (natural ones I might add) to exchange bodily fluids with.[/QUOTE]Lets say some of my "friends" belongs somewhere between middle and hi so class in Thailand. One thing I repeatedly confront them with is their shitty behaviour towards other people. Some of them talk about Isaan girls as "monkeys" and "not people". I tell them is not their fault beeing borned into poor families and that they should be greatful. I guess it is not parents dream to send their daughter on a sexspree to Pattaya letting her get fucked by aweful farangs. Well they have no compassion for people worse off in life than themself and this have allways surprised me. I am by far no hero myself but as some compensation for leading atleast a doublelife and a life most people not able to do I do donations to Red Cross and Salvation Army to cover up for my own guilty feel hehe.

But on a more personal level this totaly change and they are somewhat lovable and sweet. Some of them carries a certain bitchfactor hanging over them though and I find this factor extremely sexy. That makes it even more fun to realy do her from behind as some sort of unwritten punishment (all written with a humoristic twist as I am very kind man).

[QUOTE=Skogis;1458528]Speaking of math and numbers this reminds me of my swiss / thai "friend". She has studied mathmatics and businessmanagement in Geneva.[/QUOTE]I know a Thai girl, super intellect, father a Doctor, who once was a computer hacker, then employed for a while by organisation tracking down hackers,"photographic memory", can fix anything, but you don't want to let her near your computer LOL.

Education? Yes, but hardly relevant to her, she was always far too smart to interested during standard University lectures. Non that surprisingly, she is a "Tom" and has a GF.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1458528]Speaking of math and numbers this reminds me of my swiss / thai "friend". She has studied mathmatics and businessmanagement in Geneva. Now she is about to finish her law degree at Chulalongkorn Uni. Her folks moved back to Bangkok. She is a numberhandler I rarerly seen before and do fairly well in the stock exchange market doing some part time work for a brokerage house. She handles some of my savings buying and selling in her name. I trust her as she has loads of money herself. So this girl is by far no idiot and would solve the 7x9 puzzle in a blink, hehe.

The only disadvantage dealing with such girls happened a few weeks back when she suddenly told me she and a friend of hers would arrive the next morning with a Thai flight in Oslo. So in many ways it is safer dealing with people not beeing able to travel without our assistance. Atleast it reduces possible unwanted surprises to a minimum for us that leads atleast a doublelife with GF's back home. Scary shit realy.[/QUOTE]You really need to evalute your life. You got 2 hookers pregnant. Now you put money in a girls name, and you believe she can trade stocks-goldman sachs can't trade stocks without rigging the market. They got billions backing them up- cany your genius compete with them?

This guy is an enigma, hangs around hi-so and yet goes for the ugliest cheapest hookers known to mankind. LOL.

Be wary of part time brokerage house workers. LOL.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1458510]Which bars do these girls work at? I want to go take a look at a highly edukated hooker. LOL.

Ps I can't tell if my hookers are smart or not. Something about them not understanding English and me not understanding Thai.[/QUOTE]I was just in stitches over the incredibly stupid suggestion that there are no well-educated Thai women.

Some hookers can be cunning. Smart in an intellectual sense; well educated; would they be hookers if these were the case? High end escorts are another matter. From time to time you'll run across a university student who works as an escort on the side. I knew a couple of such young ladies in San Francisco.

Extrapolating from ones experiences with hookers and strippers working in Soi Cowboy and NEP to all of Thai society is pretty damn stupid. I find it comical anyone would want to make a public display of their two digit IQ.

FYI, Dr Noisakran is a micro biologist whose research is in host cell responses to the dengue virus infection; Dr Siriphanon is a material scientist who works on the development of nanotechnologies for use in textile manufacturing; and Dr Siripinyanond is a chemist who works with engineered nanoparticles.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1458072]Even a wayward sex bomb called "Ma" at Suzie Wong, with child and saggy tits, who was only moderately good looking didn't last more than a few months, before someone did not want to share any more. I was disappointed to see her go. A jolly good lay. LOL. The very pretty Noo Dee will be gone very soon even though only a very average performer.[/QUOTE]I think Mar is really good looking, at least as long as she has make up and she is really photogenic, all the pictures I have of her is really good! She has one picture in her facebook totally without makeup and that is really different and at first I couldn't think it was her. She has recently colored her hair back to original black and its really much more beautiful than the blond hair she had when I met her a couple of months ago. I will go to visit her and her bf when I come back to Thailand in October.

There are days that you remember because something special happened to you: the first time you had sex, or the day your first child was born, or the day Arsenal came back from 2 goals to score 5 in the second half (sorry Mouse). Then there are days that you remember because something bad happened to you: your first girlfriend dumped you for that jock Brad, who later impregnated her and left her to deal with it alone, or the day your child first realized there are bad people in the world, or the day some no-name 17 year old scored a winner out of nothing against your beloved Gunners.

Monday was perhaps neither of those kinds, although if it had to be one, it would be the latter. It was not a good day, and I'm not sure I will remember it at all. It was a day full of fatigue, griping, and blurry sleep-deprived over-reactions. I do a review of Nana Liquid here, although as you will see, there isn't all that much to say.

I had not slept well in 11 days, and I was running on utter fumes. I had made the rookie mistake of adopting the position that fucking was more important than all else, even sleep. As such, the lack of sleep was now most definitely impacting on my ability to sex properly. Had I taken care to rest myself, I believe much of what happened today would have been dealt with in a much better way, and it might have ended up being the kind of day that I remember for the positives that happened. So take this as a cautionary tale for those who are either going to be new to the BKK scene, or who have been away for a while, a long while, like me, and who plan to return soon. Don't over-do it. Make sure to get your rest, and make sure you recuperate properly. In the long run, things will turn out better.

[b]Error #1[/b]

The previous night, as I fell asleep covered in my own cum, I set my alarm for 6:30am instead of 6am, thinking the extra half hour would help me. But sleeping 3. 5 hours compared to 3 hours does not help at all. And all it did was serve to rush me in the morning. I had to rush my shower, rush my breakfast, rush my coffee, and arrived at work 10 minutes late. Dumb move.

I managed to make it through the day, and I was just completely decimated. Getting on the skytrain just before 9pm to go back to the hotel was such a chore. My back ached, my legs were cramping, my head was swollen and bloated, my eyes burned, and I could not think straight. I managed to stumble my way back to the hotel and took a quick nap: one hour, and I set my alarm to wake up. I know, in retrospect that seems daft, and it was, but it's a catch 22: when you are tired, you don't make the right decisions, and that leads to further fatigue. My thinking was that there were just a few more nights left in BKK, and I won't be back for at least a year, so I need to really make use of every night here. If I don't, I will regret it mightily. As you shall see, it would have been better to remain in bed that night.

[b]Error #2:[/b] Should have kept sleeping.

I got out of bed at 10:30pm, quick shower, down to the coffee shop for some chicken fried rice and several cups of coffee, and then off to NEP. I went to R3 again, looking for #81, the slightly overweight beauty who would not give Kumbu the time of day. I was under this bizarre impression that my bags of charm and charisma could overcome the lack of chemistry between the two of us. I somehow thought if I put the effort into it, she would see this, appreciate it, and things would turn around. My advice to you is to not think like this. It may actually happen, but fuck, it ain't worth it. It is far too much time, effort and money for any potential end-product. And in my case, I got fuck-all for my efforts.

[b]Error #3:[/b] Should not have wasted my time on a girl with whom I have no chemistry.

So I arrive at R3 and by this point the wait staff know me better than #81. They greet me like the returning hero, or perhaps the returning chump. I look for #81 before I even sit down, and I am reassured that she is here this time. Great, I sit down off to the side, and I don't see her round hips anywhere. I get my drink take a few sips, and then I spy a mini-party off on the other side of the room. There is a wiry blond guy with his overweight dark haired friend sitting amongst a gaggle of four girls and tequilaing it up. They are getting the ass-to-the-crotch treatment by two of the girls, and the other two are rubbing their various sensitive bits: ears, crotches, nipples, etc.

One of the girls turns out to be #81. She's (of course) doing the ass action, since she has plenty of that. She's grinding it into blond boy's nether region, and he's downing shot after shot, slapping her ass and getting more and more fixated on the butt. He kind of looks like Andrei Arshavin, and so I instantly have a soft spot for this lackadaisical Slav. However, he has his hands squarely on the ass that I covet, so I wish instant pox on him and his family. As for #81, she's enthusiastic about it, but there is a kind of detachment about her. I think this is what I like about her, the aloofness of her demeanor. But as qualities go in gogo girls, aloofness ought to be near the bottom, if not at the bottom, of the list, below Isaan Toes, horizontal lips, and being barely of legal age. At some point, she looks across the room at me, sees me, recognizes me, and remains utterly expressionless. So imagine that: she is grinding her ass very energetically into the drunker and drunker punter, while looking at me across the room with no expression on her face whatsoever. She's not aloof, she's a fucking psychopath. Check bin krap.

I then went over to R1 looking for that barely 18yr old from last night, the adorable one with perfection for beauty and utter chemistry with Kumbu. Surely she would be the serum that this tired old man needs: a pure injection of youth into an old man's tired psyche. I get in and am ushered to sit by mama san herself. My drink arrives and mama san asks me who I want. I tell her I want #45, and she scans the stage and returns with a 'no come today. ' Hmm. She failed to show up on her second day of work. This can't be good. Here's my guess: soon after I left last night, some individual without the hangups about youth arrived, BFed her, and made an impression on her back in the hotel which perhaps scarred her forever. She likely cried on the way home, wondered what had happened to her life, how had she allowed herself to be humiliated like this, and decided she can't do this any more. And that was it.

So I asked mama san if she was coming back, and mama san insisted that she was. She said she was still on the books, and I should return tomorrow. Of course. I was just so tired at this point it took several seconds for me to understand what mama san was saying. So I paid, having to think hard about how much change I expected from a 200b payment on the 155b check bin, and when I got the change, I couldn't quite figure out what to do with the change. Do I usually tip or take it all, what's the protocol again?

[b]Error #4:[/b] Should not have had the beer.

I stumbled out of the bar, nearly tripping over a small step on the landing, and in a mental haze, I took the escalator up to R4, where I downed a beer (big mistake) , and saw nothing of worth on stage. I left, not particularly dejected, just very, very tired. I walked out of NEP and stood there looking across the street at the Nana parking lot. My girl from the night before was not to be seen, and the LB-to-real-girl ratio was about 4:3. I dazed for a good 5 minutes, ignoring the LB propositions and the touts with their pictures of naked ladies for massage. I just stood there in a stupor, smells of horny European men and frying mystery meat all around me. I just stood there at the entrance to NEP, in the middle of the thoroughfare, expressionless and motionless, for the full 5 minutes. I'm sure people thought I was drunk, but it was worse than that: I was tired.

[b]Error #5:[/b] The BIG Error.

I was hungry again for some reason, and I wanted to get back to my coffee shop on soi 11 for some flat rice noodles, so I walked out towards Suk. As I approached the intersection, the light just turned red, so pedestrians were about to cross, and I saw the prettiest little thing, just standing there. She had a blue dress on, not skin tight or particularly revealing, but pert and proper. She had small, very sexy legs, and curvy hips. She was wearing flats and she had stockings on. Hmm. Her hair had highlights in it, and it was cut in a bop style. I love the bop: it gives girls a cute, clean, bouncy look. She was in front of me, and she turned to me and looked me right in the eyes, and for a moment there was heat. Her lips moved ever so slightly, and I knew that this would be good. I just knew that there was attraction between us, and I would likely have a very GFE experience with this little cutie.

But tired as I was, I couldn't quite figure out what the next step was. Do I talk to her? What do I say? What about my noodles, do we eat them together? What if she doesn't like flat noodles? Wait, everyone likes flat noodles, they're like popcorn. But popcorn is a snack, noodles are a meal, which makes them different food types, so not a good comparison. Fine, Kumbu, you win, there's a chance she doesn't like flat noodles, etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile pedestrians were walking, and somehow I ended up walking faster than her, and by the time I figured out I was losing her, I had lost her. I turned around before I got to the other side of the street, and just like that she was gone. I mean, literally 10 feet had passed and she disappeared. GODDAM. She must have figured I was not interested and just hopped into a taxi at the intersection. I turned, spun around, ran around a little like a confused child wondering where my beautiful blue-dressed princess had gone. Shit.

[b]Error #5:[/b] Should have gone back to the hotel for a good night's sleep.

My noodles tasted like crap after that. They were flat noodles with a thick sauce of regret and a good sprinkling of lost opportunity. I drank it down with a huge mug full of what-the-fuck-were-you-doing juice. But now the thought was in my head that there is talent out there to be found, and I mistakenly thought that with just a little bit of leg work, a gem could be uncovered.

[b]Error #6:[/b] See error #5.

It was now 1:30am somehow. I did not want to deal with the Leggy or Skinny gals at Climax, so I decided to give Nana Liquid a twirl. I paid my 250b entrance at the booth outside the nightclub, and you get one free drink. I should have known something was wrong when the waiter took my drink order before I even got into the nightclub itself. Anyway, I ordered a G&T, and when I opened the door to the nightclub, I realized it was totally empty. It was nearing 1:45am, and the place was empty. I was literally the only one there.

There were several other bodies there, which made me think there was some action going on, but it turns out they were all employees of the nightclub. So I sat down, sipped my G&T, and caught up on my SMSing. I had several girls that I wanted to catch up with, so I spent 20 minutes sending SMSes. Meanwhile a couple of people crept into the nightclub. I noticed a kind of sexy lady pole dancing next to a pillar. She had cut-off jean shorts and a neon yellow bikini top. It was kind of sexy, but then I saw someone else with the exact same get-up dancing at the other pillar and slowly figured out that they were dancers employed by the nightclub. So not FLs, although they were probably available too.

I looked around at this point and there was a group of girls who had arrived (probably gogo or massage girls getting off work) , and a couple of independent FLs milling about now. The independents were not very appetizing at all. There was one girl who must have been in her late thirties, was wearing a one-piece clingy dress (black and white) , and was harassing an Asian looking guy with a baseball cap on the other side of the nightclub. He clearly didn't want to be bothered by her, and was as pissed off about Nana nightclub as I was. I only hoped the independent would not find her way over to my side of the room: I did not have the wits to fend off aggressive FLs tonight.

My impression of Nana Liquid, then, is that it is struggling to attract both ladies and customers. If it was this empty at 2am, and it closes at 4am, it just does not seem like it is worth anyone's time or money. Unless something turns around dramatically, I would recommend either Climax or Spicey over Nana Liquid. Both of the former options are bustling with professional ladies ready to consume both your money and your manhood at that hour of the morning, while at Nana, I just don't know if you would get anything better than the bottom dwellers. My recommendation is to skip Nana Liquid, at least for now.

[b]Good Decision #1[/b]

As my numbed, dull-witted mind thought it through, I realized this was just stupid. It would be at least until 2:30 before there was enough talent in the room for me to choose from, and it would be at least half an hour further before a deal could be closed, so we're looking at a departure time of 3am at the earliest. Get back to the hotel, shower, do the deed, even if all of this is expeditious, sleep would not come to me until at least 4am. I needed to be awake at 8am the next morning.

At this point I did the smartest thing I did all night: I decided to give up.

So I just walked the fuck out of there, took a motocy back to the hotel and crashed. I got almost six hours of sleep that night, which was just fairy-tale magic for me at that point. It resulted in the next day, Tuesday, being a pretty good day, monger-wise. That's my next report.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1458488]Sorry, I really tried not to respond to this post but as you see I failed. What someone decides to pay a girl for sex is their business and no one else's. I think Kumbu already felt a twinge of sorrow towards the girl as she stated he was her first customer. OK let's assume she is lying, not uncommon amongst working girls, she displayed visible signs of stress and was extremely nervous. I am guessing here but I think Kumbu decided to tip / compensate her for overcoming her reluctance and providing him with what he considered good service. Even if he paid her 4000 baht it is his right to do so. As for World wide social order collapsing because someone paid a working girl 1000 baht extra is a bit of a quantum leap don't you think? That part really made me laugh.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I've done that before with amateur freelancers. Sometimes its great being with a non-hardcore girls to relive the days of teenage youth. I 'm all for giving a girl brutal pounding but only if she's up for it. The extra baht might even encourage her to keep working.

Funny happenings. LOL.

With the Japan national holiday innundating Rainbow 2 with horny customers. Why is not the same thing happening at Rainbow 4?

PS. I'm pretty sure numbers are up at Rainbow 1 too-but my sample size there is not that big.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1458446]Nana car park doesn't have LB's, they are on the street and at the entrance of NEP. I also depends on the hour of the night (more after the NEP LB bars close at 2am)

This just for the sake of proper information.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking as a rule, I agree &, you are correct.

The wannabe ladies (LBs) often hang on the sidewalk beside the Nana hotel parking lot, such as in front of the sign. So technicly they are not in the parking lot.

Only 1 time since 07 have I seen a guy pretending to be a girl (LB) on the car park. He was near the sign in a group of several ladies, late at night.

Other than that I don't count the times they walk across in with a customer from a NEP bar or wherever.

Mostly they hang on the other side of the street, the NEP side, including near the NEP entrance itself as you said. And the real girls work on the Nana hotel side of the street & on the parking lot area.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1458521]Huh? Not sure what your definition of Nana Parking Lot is but it most certainly has LB's within the perimeter of the parking lot. More of them then girls on some nights.[/QUOTE]Techincly, no. I agree with BionicMan.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1458530]Have you even been to Bangkok?[/QUOTE]I believe he has.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1458640]I think Mar is really good looking, at least as long as she has make up and she is really photogenic, all the pictures I have of her is really good! She has one picture in her facebook totally without makeup and that is really different and at first I couldn't think it was her. She has recently colored her hair back to original black and its really much more beautiful than the blond hair she had when I met her a couple of months ago. I will go to visit her and her bf when I come back to Thailand in October.[/QUOTE]She was well above average even with the blonde hair, not quite a top beauty for me. I. E. Not to a "must do". Good sized tits fortunately no silicone. I think her worst aspect was a raspy voice. However normally the girls that are good dancers and a bit raunchy (ha ha) , are also good on the bed, as turned out to be the case.

It is disappointing that she has been taken away from us. Was definitely something out of the ordinary in the bar.

Wasn't clear really if she looked good without makeup or not so good. I am very impressed when girls look good without the makeup.

My last SW girl's face looks a bit ordinary without makeup. Fortunately she looks great in all areas below the waist LOL. Hot ass. Night before last I arrived very late at SW, like closing time, so just had to take any girl I know that was available. Still a nice session. Naam arrived back just as I was leaving. I offered to take her as well, but she begged me for tomorrow instead."Mai waai" (not up to it) meaning that she had just returned from a pounding and could not envisage taking any more dick. Must have been a heavy session as Naam is not the smallest pussy going around and normally she has good stamina. LOL

Its not a great plan to go to the bars very late. In my case was because GF was sleeping in the "Buddha room" and I could sneak out for a while without her knowing (she never comes to check on me when falls asleep in the other room). Went to Dolls House first, but was mother's day and only a few girls left at 2AM. Called one cutie over and bought her a few drinks. Cute face and nice tits. Finally decide to BF her and then she says its her period. Perhaps hardly relevant as shortly she admitted that she doesn't actually go with customers at all (or at least not today LOL). Claims she just works for monthly salary, drink tips etc. As she is very cute, I could believe she makes good tip money. It was 3AM closing time already, so I am left with the problem of getting a girl despite the bars being closed. Fortunately being well known at SW, they could rush around and find someone available. Most girls were super drunk due to a party, but fortunately my girl wasn't and was about to sleep. Happy to change her mind since she was out of Baht. I only omit the name due to saying her face was a bit ordinary without the makeup. I have mentioned her in past reports plenty of times.

GF padlocks the front door from the inside, but fortunately I have found where she keeps the keys, so sneaking out while she sleeps is still possible, but only days when she doesn't sleep in our normal bed of course. This can happen when she is extremely over tired. Suspects me of playing up sometimes of course, but has no clue about very late night escapades. She gets up fairly early so I have to be back well before dawn. 4:30AM is a good safe limit normally.

Last night another SW girl wants to know if I will show up, as Naam relayed news of meeting me at closing time. Not sure if she is deciding on another customer (if I am not available) or is desperate for money. I cannot commit. Turns out I get a nice one from the GF instead. Today maybe a quick MP visit. Sees how things turn out.

Should never have to wank in Bangkok!

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1458607]You really need to evalute your life. You got 2 hookers pregnant. Now you put money in a girls name, and you believe she can trade stocks-goldman sachs can't trade stocks without rigging the market. They got billions backing them up- cany your genius compete with them?

This guy is an enigma, hangs around hi-so and yet goes for the ugliest cheapest hookers known to mankind. LOL.

Be wary of part time brokerage house workers. LOL.[/QUOTE]Well Skogis if I was you I would feel very privileged. Life advice from such a Worldly wise spokesman as Harold. Anyone would be a fool not to listen to this man so I hope you take his advice on board and fix up your life. I shudder to think, errrm no I meant dream, what this forum would be like without Harold gracing it's pages every day like a veritable fountain of knowledge. Thank you for your invaluable insights on the day-day P4P scene my dear friend.

Regards,

BJ

That kind of raspy voice always turns me on!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1458817]Most girls were super drunk due to a party, but fortunately my girl wasn't and was about to sleep.[/QUOTE]They were having a birthday party for one of the girls. Not sure if she is a waitress or dancer though. I have seen pictures from the party and it seems like they had great fun and drank a lot of tequila.

Hi friends,

I am travelling to Thailand this week end is the travel guides really helpfull in Thailand please I appreciate some inputs.

Can you please suggest me any good contact.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1458488]As for World wide social order collapsing because someone paid a working girl 1000 baht extra is a bit of a quantum leap don't you think? That part really made me laugh.

Regards, BJ[/QUOTE]No no, the entire market structure will collapse due to guys overpaying. LOL The price police are watching us closely. Actually I quite agree. I don't care what he paid and for what reason. I have regularly paid girls more than an initially agreed price (for rare times when a pre agreement was made) , as a tip, to be fair reward for effort, attitude, duration, skills, quality or for whatever reason. So what and who cares?

They will hopefully be keen and relaxed for next time.

[QUOTE=SexMonk; 1458864]Hi friends I am travelling to Thailand this week end is the travel guides really helpfull in Thailand please I appreciate some inputs.

Can you please suggest me any good contact.[/QUOTE]Really we should be in the general thread. I think you could be a bit more specific exactly what type of "guides" you talk about. If sex is your thing then read this forum. If nature is your thing, research the national parks of Thailand.

Years ago I read travel books but in modern day use the internet more. Of the books I read, Lonely Planet Guide to Thailand was one of the least impressive to me even though thick. Perhaps has been rewritten in recent years. It seemed to focus on mundane things like Hotels to stay, restaurants to eat, etc. Only useful stuff was usually where to go to get from one place to another, e. G. Bus, trains, etc. The most important travel info for me is details of all the attractions that places have to offer, whether related to nature, culture, history, arts, or to sexual escapades. Some travel books are very weak in telling you what there is to do, and what is really worth seeing.

E. G. I think the Kanchanaburi War museum, cemetery, and "death" railway is rather boring stuff. Little is divulged about the great sites of nature in the area to the average traveller.

How many people have been to the magnificent "Gaew Komol" Crystal Calcite cave in Mae Hong Son province? Most stunning cave in Thailand. Not your typical limestone stuff. I bet not many travel guides mention it.

What bays in Koh Tao Island have the best coral for snorkelling and sheltered from the typical winds? What is the right time of year to go? Hard to get info. I think I make my point.

If your travel guide is a local expert who knows the area, then you are better off, providing he is not just taking you to the same old standard tourist tours, but interested in what style of things you want to do.

When I go to some new part of Thailand, I like to find a really knowledgeable driver / boatman and guide and also to research myself on the internet. Consult the local Thais. They often know more than the foreign travels writers.

You can't know where you want to stay until you know where the attractions are located.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1458607]You really need to evalute your life. You got 2 hookers pregnant. Now you put money in a girls name, and you believe she can trade stocks-goldman sachs can't trade stocks without rigging the market. They got billions backing them up- cany your genius compete with them?

This guy is an enigma, hangs around hi-so and yet goes for the ugliest cheapest hookers known to mankind. LOL.

Be wary of part time brokerage house workers. LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1458842]Well Skogis if I was you I would feel very privileged. Life advice from such a Worldly wise spokesman as Harold. Anyone would be a fool not to listen to this man so I hope you take his advice on board and fix up your life. I shudder to think, errrm no I meant dream, what this forum would be like without Harold gracing it's pages every day like a veritable fountain of knowledge. Thank you for your invaluable insights on the day-day P4P scene my dear friend.

Regards.

BJ[/QUOTE]To Harold: I know feed your trolling is stupid and does not make any sense whatsoever (but there are forces within me telling me I can not let you go dear Harold). Anyway since chances are relatively big you will be evicted / blocked from this forum and / or you will be hospitalized into a mentalinstitution any day now I feel it is important to clearify atleast 2 things so all the other ISGers (not You that is pointless) : yes I have made 2 girls pregnant and one is my Halfpinay GF from back home since soon 6 years now so that was bound to happen at some stage (she is borned and raised in my country). She is horny and extremely beautiful (way out of your low GoGo life leauge) but ofcourse no p4p. Nr 2 is a Quezon City girl (ms Preggy) also very beautiful and horny. This was an unplanned pregnancy as my seeds went while there for a moment and I did fail the cockpulloutsoonenough so swimmers where left alone for their own race inside her. My mistake and I deal with this matter as best I can. No chance I will leave her with all in responsibility as I will take care of my offspring no matter what. Coincidentaly she does quite nice herself with good edu and a quite well off family. I have not been asked to support her nor her family one bit (I have recently even paid her folks a visit) but I pay hospitalbills for her med checkups at St Lukes from selfish reasons as I want the baby to be to have best care there is to be had in Quezon City. Probably not necessary as she would manage quite fine dealing with this alone but I don't want it like that. Well atleast towards the end of this year and in the beginning of the next one I will have a couple of offsprings so my main task on this planet is fullfilled.

I know it is useless to ask but where have I found the ugliest and cheapest hookers known to mankind? And from my moneygirl at the stock exchange I could not care less if people rig her up as money seems to splash into my accounts every day and even if she is just as bitchy as I like them she is stunning and horny as well.

Dr BJ: I am privileged that Harold would use time and effort in his busy life down in his mothers basement to comment my humble postings. His meanings are realy important to me. My life down in the gutter will soon fix itself as I have adopted Harolds wisdom of life and made him my own leading star. So things start to pick up now any day soon. I hope some day I will be able to make enough money so I could visit Bangkok for real and I hope Harold one day will too after his right hand inflammation is treated. And Doc I find Harold not as a fountain of knowledge but as herpes. But except from that his meanings do count and he creates a good balance to this forum and I simply can not get myself to hit the ignore button even if that would be the wice thing to do.

To confused readers Harold / Streetwalker is the same troll.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1458290]RBDave, surprised to see you trolling here, given your previous post history. But I will indulge you.

Definitely not LB. Her breasts were not hard, they were firm, and her vagina was not shallow, it was divided (both points actually mentioned in the report). Also, I think the taxi guy was on standby BECAUSE it was her first time: she was nervous. I know, I know, the post was TL, so DR, but perhaps DC if you DR.

But I don't feel particularly strong about any of this. I'm not into LBs: they neither attract me nor frighten me. If she was a LB and I never knew it, then she wasn't a LB to me. Also, it is entirely possible that she lied to me about being her first customer. I have no doubt that people lie. I don't believe that was the case, but I have been plenty wrong in the past.[/QUOTE]Sorry I came off sounding like a troll. I should not have said your report was "boring" as I do think the forum is better off with your TLs than without. It's just that for me, a computer screen isn't really conducive to reading long reports. But I'm sure that others really enjoy them.

And unlike others, I do like hearing about the details on how the night went, not just what sex acts as specific girl offered. I think learning about the "Thailand experience" is more valuable than the experience with an individual woman as we all know your mileage may vary for any given girl. I also believe the more likely you are able to receive the same experience with a girl as all other guys, the more likely it will be a detached mechanical experience.

Imagine you are minding your own business and this happens to you. Ouch!

[url]http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23229422[/url]

We should all pitch in and send a few here to Malawi.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1458970]To confused readers Harold / Streetwalker is the same troll.[/QUOTE]Thanks guys for this insight. I presume the style is unmistakenly the same. I did not pay enough attention to Harold to remember the style at all, but recently finding myself disagreeing with everything SW7 writes and just thinking "highly misguided". LOL. Strangely I find both Harold and SW7 as somewhat innocuous rather than massively annoying, so the Ignore List has not been at all necessary. However its now easy to see how I can save time.

When I was reincarnated, some had the talent to recognise my near English on day one, before I made it too obvious. Starting a sentence with "But" was a complete give away in my case.

So yes guys can change the handle but it takes real talent to hide the style.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1459009]When I was reincarnated.but it takes real talent to hide the style.[/QUOTE]One day would like to know why the whole reincarnation process occurred? The original syzygies was a Rock Star!

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1459013]One day would like to know why the whole reincarnation process occurred? The original syzygies was a Rock Star![/QUOTE]I think it was simply a problem with the original name being too obvious.

Something more meaningless was required just like T1234 means very little really.

Fortunately not many can even spell Syzygies correctly.

Actually there was another change due to purely technical problems with the forum.

I changed email address, and turns out your email is your real behind the scenes I'd, and forum would not allow me to use the old handle on a new email, at a time when I was actually merging two different handles into one.

You can't have same email address on two handles I think.

In the end was easier to accept that old handle was already used (by me) and pick a new one.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1459009]So yes guys can change the handle but it takes real talent to hide the style.[/QUOTE]You can take the handle out of the guy, but you can't take the guy out of the handle (or something like that). Anyway, too bad you don't allow PM, Mr S. I'll be in town this Saturday and it would be great to meet up (again, after having met at LL 4 years ago, I think). Maybe see you at SW's around 9pm? Sorry for off topic. Proper report to follow, I hope.

So hyped. Leave Friday morning, arrive 9:30PM Saturday. I'll be sure to post a couple of reports. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer, feel free to PM me. I'm 28 and this is my first trip to LoS, spending 2 months backpacking with a bit of mongering on the side.

I just got to try to find a place to watch the UFC fights this weekend.

one great thing about lollipoops and mercury. your cola will be top rate. they serve cans- carbonation stiill high quality. not from plastic bottles where if you get the last servings your cola will be flatt. just like many of the girls. lol.

i noticed very few silicone in mercury-i believe its because no one takes them. they got no money. lol.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang;1459061]You can take the handle out of the guy, but you can't take the guy out of the handle (or something like that). Anyway, too bad you don't allow PM, Mr S. I'll be in town this Saturday and it would be great to meet up (again, after having met at LL 4 years ago, I think). Maybe see you at SW's around 9pm? Sorry for off topic. Proper report to follow, I hope.[/QUOTE]I struggled for a moment to remember which guy you are, to sync the handle with the real name. Old age memory works slow. LOL. I will contact.

I really must be a freak. However arriving at Baccara bar at 1:30AM I watched two sets of girls downstairs and only managed to find one pretty face that I really liked. Red hair No. 175. Unfortunately she had big silicone enhancements that looked ridiculous. I suppose their must have been some hot girls early in the evening. However late, we had fatties, broad faced girls, many girls with noses that curve downwards like an eagle's beak (okay less so) probably many were fake nose jobs, fake tits, weird hair styles, massive eyelashes, many girls appear to be trying to look like Farangs or like dolls and succeeding a bit to have very boring faces to me. No exotic looks really. The Japanese are obviously liking these looks but I don't understand why. Not many gazelle types, and not many with really good waist to thigh ratio. Obviously I didn't stay too long. I am liking not broad faces, cute little upturned noses, high cheek bones etc. Another obvious problem was they had bras and skirts on. Some would surely have looked better nude. The dregs left over late at Bacarra are a fairly boring lot. I must be a freak to feel this way.

Moved on to a nudie bar. Okay Many girls there weren't that special either, but far less fake looks. The odd good ass amongst the rabble and figure good enough to turn me on. Took two of the usual suspects with cute asses and okay faces. Tight girls where the feeling of being in them for an extended time is just blissful, so good its like I don't feel like stopping. They seem to enjoy too. Nice kissing two at a time and double girl blow jobs.

Last Monday had a very quick look in Crazy House. Was not a busy night. Upstairs 2nd floor no girls and downstairs very few nude. Maybe I was too late. I only saw one with all her gear off being molested by a customer. Wasn't interesting enough to stay.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1458842]Well Skogis if I was you I would feel very privileged. Life advice from such a Worldly wise spokesman as Harold. Anyone would be a fool not to listen to this man so I hope you take his advice on board and fix up your life. I shudder to think, errrm no I meant dream, what this forum would be like without Harold gracing it's pages every day like a veritable fountain of knowledge. Thank you for your invaluable insights on the day-day P4P scene my dear friend.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I know we all are sex touriss. LOL. But can't you find better examples of guys to back up. A guy thinking he pays for pre-natal check-ups and he has fulfilled his fatherly duties. LOL.

Talk about being born behind the proverbial eight ball.

Hope the kids turn out better than the parents. LOL.

I'm sure you wouldn't want a guy like this marrying your daughters, or just having sex with them. Good grief.

I hadn't been to Climax or really any late night disco in a couple of years but a few weeks back I was having trouble sleeping and was having even more trouble finding freelancers that I liked so I decided to go and check it out and have been perhaps 5 times in this period. It's been a bit of a silly circus really. In general I would say that it's ok female wise though not really any great shakes. Most of the women are 25-35 I would guess and average in looks with exceptions. You just have to keep moving in a circle around the place and chances are that you will find something you like tucked away in a corner or with a group of friends. By midnight the disco already has a number of girls in place strategically sitting at their tables trying to make eye contact with pretty much any human life form that passes. I've seen old goats pick up some of the nicer looking girls in the place so it's not like they are all looking for young studs (which I am far from and in truth never was. Not even close.). And if you don't see anything you like, just wait for the next train because they flow in all night long. What they were doing before they showed up at 4am is a mystery. Maybe they just woke up. After going to the former Insomnia now Insanity last night I can easily say Climax is the better choice. At midnight Insanity was pretty much empty except for some elderly Coyote Dancers.

But so far I seem to have found myself under a black cloud at Climax and I am wondering if late night freelancers have really gotten this expensive and this difficult. First time out it was easy. 2,000 baht short time for a decent looking girl who acted like a sweetie back in the room. But it's all been downhill since then. Next time out I was sitting at a table and a Farang and what I thought was his Thai girl sat down too. They seemed sweet on one another as only low lights and a steady supply of spirits can accomplish. She is blonde and pretty. Lucky guy I thought. She asks for another drink and he goes swimming thru his pockets to try and come up with enough money to pay the bill. He starts literally counting his loose change but still falls short and she throws in the difference. He is now the loose change and she begins playing footsie with me under the table and ignores the poor guy who had already probably spent a load on her previous drinks. I feel a little weird but it's late and she was the best thing I had seen so far so I just let her have her way with me under the table and kept a straight face. He kept looking deep into her eyes with burning slightly addled sexual passion. She just kept squeezing me and giving him a Closed for Business look. Eventually he wanders away a broken man in mind and finances. I hope he did not have far to go because he didn't even have taxi money. We quickly make a deal for 2, 000 baht and get into a taxi. On the way she tries to up the ante to 3, 000 baht and I say no. She whines a bit. In my room she brings it up again and wants it upfront. Again I say no to the amount and to being upfront. Ok she pouts. I know at this point and probably should have known it when she dismissed the other guy that this wasn't going to go well. Or for very long. More whining. Then I say how about a BJ. Only with condom. That was the final straw. This was turning out to be sucky. I tell her here is a thousand baht, adios. Much more whining. I said a thousand baht for nothing isn't too bad a deal. Back and forth. Finally she leaves.

A few nights later I learn a new lesson. Nothing is taken for granted till the deal is sealed. So in Climax once again I see a cutie and sidle up to her and do the usual Climax sophisticated pick up thing. Smile. Clink her bottle with mine and kind of move in unison with her. She picks up on this and we chat, I buy her a drink, we move in unison some more. Time passes. I haven't said anything about going with her but I thought there was an understanding between us. Like there was between Hitler and Stalin. I move away for a minute to look at the band and some guy slides in like Rickey Henderson and strikes a deal in like 5 seconds with her and they walk off. I am like, wow how did that happen. What a shmuck I am. There are no understandings till the mention of money has passed your lips.

Nights later. I continue to trip over my self. Really pretty girl. Again we go thru the Climax mating ritual. With her for over an hour. She is doing a wonderful standing lap dance on me and I am liking it. We are having fun. Sure it's business but it can be fun just hanging out with these girls and having them dote on your dick. It gets to 4am and I say let's get going. Ok she replies but the pleasure of my company will cost you 5, 000 baht. I want to make sure I hear her correctly. 5,000 baht? Yes. Well good luck with that I say and turn around and leave. 5,000 baht? Are girls really asking for that? All I could think of was that her theory of men was hard dick, soft brain. She thought she had me in the palm of her hand, well she did at times, but I've been coming her for a long time and no girl has ever asked me for 5, 000 baht. At least not for sex. Other things, yes. All the time. Hell that is two gogo girls. So another night wasted though the lap dance was pretty nice but we don't come to Bangkok for lap dances.

This takes us to last night. Another night, another girl. This one admittedly only average at best but I have a weakness for overbites and she had one that was an orthodontist's nightmare. Same same. Standing lap dance and so on. Gets me to buy drinks for her three friends as well as herself. Ok why not. 3am and I ask her if she wants to come back with me. Ok. But need money. How much. 3,000 baht. Bargain her down to 2, 500 which is more than her looks deserve. In truth a 1500 baht girl. But it was 3am and I did not have the energy to start over again. So I agree and say let's go. No she replies, I want to listen to the music some more and by the way my friends all need a refill. At this point I retreat to the men's room to think this over. Its 3am, I am quite horny but this has every bad sign there is hung on this one. So I look thru my phone for a long sms and take it to her, and she has moved near the door because I think she suspected I was going to make a break for it, and show her the sms and tell her that my friend is very sick and has gone to the hospital and I need to go see him. My last look at her was one with her mouth agape looking to catch a fly.

So I am just curious to know from the guys who have been to Climax lately what girls have been asking them. 2,000 for st is fair but this 3, 000 and 5, 000 baht business is just silly or is that where the late night disco girls are these days?

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1459572]I hadn't been to Climax or really any late night disco in a couple of years but a few weeks back I was having trouble sleeping and was having even more trouble finding freelancers that I liked so I decided to go and check it out and have been perhaps 5 times in this period. It's been a bit of a silly circus really. In general I would say that it's ok female wise though not really any great shakes. Most of ng you like, just wait for the next train because they flow in all night long. What they were doing before they showed up at 4am is a mystery. Maybe they just woke up. After going to the former Insomnia now Insanity last night I can easily say Climax is the better choice. At midnight Insanity was pretty much empty except for some elderly Coyote Dancers.

But so far I seem to have found myself under a black cloud at Climax and I am wondering if late night freelancers have really gotten this expensive and this difficult...[/QUOTE]WOW. This is a good read.

Some observations. Thats what I do. LOL.

Very believable. No offense to anyone but one guy starts out bad but always wins the girl over is just not realistic. These girl are out for money- they could care less if you pleasure them or not.

Also one guy doesn't even mention money yet seems to get good deals- whats up with that. The tactic from the girls point of view to not mention baht is to make sure guy overpays not underpays.

I still don't believe that a guys looks matter much. Clean and not look like jack the ripper-you ok. However dark skin man to Asian style girl does matter. LOL. 2 guys at R2 last night couldn't get girls to go with them. Maybe it was thier Thai agent- who knows.

We are their customers, not their boyfriends.

More report from you!

Around 2 months back I posted few trip reports on Bangkok and Pattaya forum. I have got 7 days leave. In late September. Confused where to go. Thailand or Philippines. First has got advantage of knowing the place and hence comfortable, lots of opportunities and airfare slightly less than Philippines. Negative points are most of girls in clubs / bars / gogo bars / massage centers are not beautiful. I happened to see one girl coming to spanky at Pattaya at 7 pm. Without make up. Secondly there is no GF attitude. A big no-no to kissing but most are comfortable with BBBJ.

What I get impression from internet that Filipino are fairer, good English and more girl friendly and no Indian hate attitude. This racist attitude has been created by various stories implanted by certain bars owners and hence Thai girl carry same notions. Some places when I found some girls were not ready to come with me in Bangkok was more due to presence of other girls around.

The purpose of this post is that if I visit Thailand, some things I do not understand. Coyote dancers are I understand are not available but in some forums it is mentioned that bar fines is high for coyote dancers. Then what if they go with customers.

The concept of karaoke bars. The girls do give company in bars but what fun a person can have. Will they go out with person and if yes then it is just company or involves sex.

Even I think stickman also felt confused what are show girls / dance girls and who will be available for bar fine and who will not.

Are hello girls are available for bar fine or not.

I stayed at LKMetro area but I was not sure that girls sitting in bar can be bar fined or not. I did not ask.

Probably I may go both places Pattaya and Angeles city. 3-3 days.

Thanks for any assistance / guidance / opinions.

hi mates. i haven't been to bkk in ahile as i'm usually in pattaya but i will be arriving 6:00 am. by the time i get downtown to suk it will be around 8:00 am. any ideas for some morning action? i can only think of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s or annies. both of which probably don't open until 11:00 am.

thanks!

[quote=johnnyvegas; 1459615]hi mates. i haven't been to bkk in ahile as i'm usually in pattaya but i will be arriving 6:00 am. by the time i get downtown to suk it will be around 8:00 am. any ideas for some morning action? i can only think of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s or annies. both of which probably don't open until 11:00 am.

thanks![/quote]i think annies opens at 10 am but may not have many girls at that time? i think a few daytime bars on sukhumvit soi 4 may open earlier, but not certain.

funny term "downtown". i think this part is only a centre for tourists but not main city or main business district.

can get outcall from various sources if you know who/what you want. i would be ringing some girl i know to make an arrangement.
no sure if many guys go looking for girls at 8am.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1459572]So I am just curious to know from the guys who have been to Climax lately what girls have been asking them. 2,000 for st is fair but this 3, 000 and 5, 000 baht business is just silly or is that where the late night disco girls are these days?[/QUOTE]Hm it seems we are playing a different game. Been to Climax last time 3 of August this year and I believe I have visited Climax some 150 times previous that to be modest the last 5 years or so. You loose out on having a blast on atleast two major points I believe.

1. I don't see any chemistry building. I have 3 major mongeringpoints dealing with freelancers in nightclubs and that is chemistry chemistry and chemistry (have fun, laugh and drink this creates good mongeringconditions). This leaves me with good performance sexwice in atleast 95 to 98% of my takeouts.

2. See point 1.

I am not an expert but we have obviously two different styles. I never get asked for prices but I do treat the girls and even sometimes her friends as well with nice bottleservice (I am not pricesensitive at all). I choose new ladies almost everytime I am in Climax (sometimes managment picks them out for me as they know my taste by now. If I am lazy that is). This have recently start to create big jelousy issues from some of my earlier "victims" because they want to go with me again (I have been slapped, spat at, kicked, yelled at etc). In a mongerway I take this as a compliment sounds funny but I do. Means I am doing something right and the girls enjoyed time with me. I can not say I have changed my monger game in Climax much the last 5 years. I play with the ladies as this was a normal nightclub and I respect them and I let it show I want them to have fun too (even if I am aware they are prostitutes). We also make very different observations in Climax regarding your report. Climax is a fun place to hang out and if you can not hook up with a fun and sexy spinner you are doing something wrong. Ofcourse most of the girls in climax are hookers, but through time I have picked up signs they do like to hang out more with younger men than old men (what is old what is young hard to say. I am 40). Well Well.

There are no soulution what is the best way of mongering in a freelancenightclub so every man on his own. My style leaves me with extremely little hazzle. If I have been quoted of price upfront it is atleast so long time ago so I frankly can not remember it. When chemistry is all set and the night is well on its way I take my chosen girl and head for my hotel. Even if we don't discuss it upfront I allways go for LT and the girls seems fine with it. I leave them tip / compensation whatsoever ranging around 3K (I have done that for 5 years now so I keep a consistent pricing). They stay mostly well into midday / afternoon.

In general I find Climax a fun place. I will start taking my business elsewhere though as I hear reports from friends that some of the stunners at Climax and new stunners as well head for other nearby location instead. Fine by me as I don't enjoy beeing spat at or slapped.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1458668]At this point I did the smartest thing I did all night: I decided to give up.

So I just walked the fuck out of there, took a motocy back to the hotel and crashed. I got almost six hours of sleep that night, which was just fairy-tale magic for me at that point. It resulted in the next day, Tuesday, being a pretty good day, monger-wise. That's my next report.[/QUOTE]Kumbu My friend!

I just stumbled across your reports this morning and have enjoyed them mightily. This is indeed a triumphant return to BKK on your part!

As for the last post, there's absolutely no shame in taking a night off. Especially since you have to labor through the day at work and can't' sleep in like most hobbyists do. I am confident that your next report will fins you back on your A game and triumphantly plunging your courageous tongue into some sweet thing's derriere.

And don't let the boo birds and trolls discourage you from writing. Your posts are among the most entertaining, informative, and cerebral on this site. Ignore the troglodytes and lea them to their ST vs LT debates. The people who count would miss your posts.

As for myself, I am taking a break form the mongering game as I am pursuing a relationship with a truly special woman. I've had an unceremonious relapse or two (see Beijing thread for the gory details) but am trying t be a good boy. So I have to live vicariously through the good deeds of you and other ISGers.

Keep up the excellent work!

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V

[quote=johnnyvegas;1459615]any ideas for some morning action? i can only think of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s or annies. both of which probably don't open until 11:00 am.[/quote]ez does morning outcalls, just need to pre-book and give them hotel, then call upon arrival with room number.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1459621]I think Annies opens at 10 AM but may not have many girls at that time? I think a few daytime bars on Sukhumvit Soi 4 may open earlier, but not certain.[/QUOTE]Annie's opens at 11 and I agree, might not be the peak hour for the line up.

Nana car park surely offers some FL, at any time of the day or night. The operation seems a franchise of 7/11 as they work 24/7 LOL

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1459668]Annie's opens at 11 and I agree, might not be the peak hour for the line up.[/QUOTE]Annies web site claims they open at 10AM. Of course opening and closing times are the worst time to find many girls.

One week going and all Rainbow 2, 4 and 1 are as busy as I've ever seen them. Not a good time to barfine your mediocre to avg bargirl as I'm sure they want quick turnover.

This pace can't go on. It's a madhouse. That Japan holiday, I think ends, so I'll keep you updated.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1459600]What I get impression from internet that Filipino are fairer, good English and more girl friendly and no Indian hate attitude. This racist attitude has been created by various stories implanted by certain bars owners and hence Thai girl carry same notions. Some places when I found some girls were not ready to come with me in Bangkok was more due to presence of other girls around.[/QUOTE]I think the bar owners got feedback from the girls about Indian behavior. Why does everyone put the blame on everyone but the girls. It's the girls who have to sex the Indian. LOL.

Ps. I don't blame the girls for avoiding certain kinds of men, and not only Indians. LOL.

Today I was in mood to while away my time a bit and just chucked off from office on some context and sat by a roadside eatery, While eating somtam and watching the world go by, I was just looking at tight asses in jeans, skirts etc go by, while that would not make me horny, but the sight of fresh new faces and backsides every few mins is a new joy I am discovering in Bangkok. Wasnt expecting anything to happen, when a nice bubblebutt in jeans stopped by at the nearby shop to buy some khanom. And while I was appreciating her backside, she could clearly see that I was drooling over her buns, our eyes met for a fleeting second and there was a smile on her face, or was it not? . Was I just imagining things. Anyway being on suk road, the chances that she might be a WG was very high, so I paid up hurriedly for my somtam and started following her from a safe distance, and I was right! Saw her enter a oily and I decided to follow into the shop. But instead I just passed by, thinking that she is not from one of the approved shops so the service might be bad. But (and what a big butt!) my dick would lead me straight back within 10 mins and sure enough, she was there with a bright smile ready to welcome me. The deal with amasan was quick and promptly I was led upstairs. And that is where the drama started.

First off I must say it was one of the most beautiful backside I had seen for a long time! She was from Rayong and this was the 2nd girl with such a beautiful Ass from Rayong. I like big girls with big asses and holly molly what a superb fit she was. I was salivating even before I got a BJ. But she turned out to be a total starfish. She was not young, around 30, so I guess she must have seen a lot, but she was shy to turn and show off her back, which she thought was embarassing, where as I was dying to appreciate it. After much cajoling she allowed me to play a bit and see it nicely. 2nd disappointment, with such a lovely ass, it deserved a kiss. But not body fluids exchange. 3rd no BBBJ only CBJ. I should have chucked out at that time, but I just had to have a good fuck with that ass jiggling my rod. Thankfully I was allowed a doggy position and I played a bit before her majesty's vigilant self wanted me to come over quickly. Anyway since I was not enjoying, I came quickly. I went down paid and left. Such a bad day! * SIGH *

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1459687]3rd no BBBJ only CBJ. I should have chucked out at that time, but I just had to have a good fuck with that ass jiggling my rod. Thankfully I was allowed a doggy position and I played a bit before her majesty's vigilant self wanted me to come over quickly. Anyway since I was not enjoying, I came quickly. I went down paid and left. Such a bad day! * SIGH *[/QUOTE]Name of the massage shop?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1458668]There are days that you remember because something special happened to you: the first time you had sex, or the day your first child was born, or the day Arsenal came back from 2 goals to score 5 in the second half (sorry Mouse). Then there are days that you remember because something bad happened to you: your first girlfriend dumped you for that jock Brad, who later impregnated her and left her to deal with it alone, or the day your child first realized there are bad people in the world, or the day some no-name 17 year old scored a winner out of nothing against your beloved Gunners[/QUOTE]Just catching up with your posts... Magnificent as always... But a worrying preoccupation with the arse of North London... :)

Guilty as charged, sir, on both counts:

[QUOTE=Mouse1]a worrying preoccupation with the arse[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mouse1]a worrying preoccupation with the arse of North London[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BionicMan-Annie's opens at 11 and I agree, might not be the peak hour for the line up.

Nana car park surely offers some FL, at any time of the day or night. The operation seems a franchise of 7/11 as they work 24/7 LOL[/QUOTE]Nope, never any action in the Nana parking lot daytime. They start coming at 6PM.

Leave yuor basement and come to BKK. At least once. And LOL?

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya;1459630]As for myself, I am taking a break form the mongering game as I am pursuing a relationship with a truly special woman. I've had an unceremonious relapse or two (see Beijing thread for the gory details) but am trying t be a good boy. So I have to live vicariously through the good deeds of you and other ISGers.[/QUOTE]Uncle V, nice to see you still here, albeit not active like the old days. We've all been there (being the good boy) , as have I over the last three years, but as you say, we all fall off the wagon once in a while (or is it getting back on the wagon?). I'll take a look at your Beijing encounters, and needless to say, I'm sure it will be interesting.

Checked out the Crazy House again around 1:30AM so a bit too late really. First set was clothed dancers. A couple were moderately pretty. I noticed setup has the see through floor so copying Baccara and some others, but style is much more raunchy. Girls were going around giving guys lap dances. Some were fully nude but figures not that great. One girl standing over seated guy and him nuzzling in the pussy. Was a bit bored and about to go when changed to the 2nd set of nude dancers. These were better looking than the clothed ones. One even very pretty but a bit shy despite being nude. I might have called her over but seems she already had a customer. Definitely the place has possibilities an I can see it being on the rise and stealing business from the other bars.

Moved on to Doll House to visit my girl Prao who doesn't go with customers. Managed to get her to dance briefly with bra off to show magnificent tits, copped a feel, all for tip money, and despite claiming she never kissed a customer before managed to get a very quick peck again for tips. Really was just a game to see what I could get but she was clearly winning LOL as I was clearly tipping more than she was worth. Who cares? Other girls were very envious that she could get tips for doing so little. I moved upstairs and saw an Old fucking partner Ni had returned to DH after long absence. I also spotted a podium dancer and took all of one second to decide I should fuck her. She was "Naam" a bambi type from Surin (small real tits but curvy). She used to work Billboard but now only at DH for 2 days. Someone will no doubt know her. Has braces on teeth. 155 cm tall (without the heels) 40 Kg. Lucky I decided quick as was close to closing. Was another very pretty girl there but she seemed taken.

Went for short time at Asoke Place. She was shy didn't want to shower with me. Started off and she allowed nice kissing. I started kissing her ass too and she wanted to know why Farangs always like to kiss her ass (as though there was something wrong with it). Incredibly beautiful ass. I said okay she could turn over. I went to kiss the pussy. She said I cannot eat! I said fine no eating, just kissing only, insisting a bit. Soon she complained I was not exactly kissing. Actually was more a cross between licking and sucking. She was starting to get turned on so tried to stop me again, but I was fairly insistent. LOL Her resistance was fairly weak and admitted she liked it too much which was why I should stop.

After DATY I am back DFKing her while massaging her pussy. She doesn't stop me from putting a finger in. I come across a sponge stuffed up there and ask her to take it out. I explain I can't fuck her with it in as it is only 3-4 inches in and I am longer than that. She says she doesn't have period and agrees to remove it. Next I finger her again and get to put finger all the way in. She feels great inside. I continue this while she gives me a BBBJ. We move fucking in several positions, doggy, prone, mish, her on side me above, both on side, etc. Its all good throughout. She specially enjoys a sort of doggy position where I massage her clit concurrently and shudders into spasms.

Very enjoyable fuck. At the end she calls be a bad boy for making her tired as she was planning on partying at the disco. I didn't ask but she claimed she already came twice and was rather spent now. I said it was her fault for being so sensitive and cumming so easily.

After doing her makeup and lipstick she gave me a nice kiss so I am wearing half the lipstick at the end. Definite repeat for me. I like her small face, high cheek bones and little upturned nose (not fake in any way well except for the eyelashes). All up short time was about 1 hour 20 mins of which 20 mins would have been showering and other mucking around and about 1 hour of activities on the bed.

I think initially it was just a booking for her (we had little time before bar closing time to build the chemistry) and she was determined not to enjoy herself, but she lost that battle quite easily. She probably has umpteen boyfriends but claims no one really likes her LOL. She knows that all struggle will be useless next time. I will have my way.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1459600]Around 2 months back I posted few trip reports on Bangkok and Pattaya forum. I have got 7 days leave. In late September. Confused where to go. Thailand or Philippines.[/QUOTE]In 7 days your best option is to pick either Pattaya or Angeles. If you split your time between two cities, you'll just skim the surface of each and you'll also waste one of your precious days traveling.

A lot of what you say about Angeles rings true. The girls speak superior English and the girl-friend experience is much easier to find. Filipino girls are more carnal creatures, that's for sure. The bar-fine system is different too, which means you don't get as many Dexy's (midnight runners). You pay the club up-front for the girl and you get her for long-time (exceptions prevail of course). This means it is MUCH cheaper than Thailand. In fact I worked it out and I reckon you could stay long-time with a girl in Angeles for a third of the price you'd pay for short-time with a similar quality girl from Walking Street. If you went to Angeles you'd have a memorable time (if you chose this option, make sure you visit Atlantis, Pony Tails, Insomnia, Typhoon, Body Shop, Carousel etc). Pattaya on the other hand is more expensive and there are more frustrations. But it's certainly more exciting with much more variety (Angeles is essentially just a gogo town and sleepier during the day). In Pattaya you've got Walking Street, countless gogo bars, beer bar complexes, freelancers, nightclubs, massage parlours, soi 6 etc. You could visit massage parlours by day and the gogo / beer bars at night and you could meet a LOT of girls in one week.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1459600]The purpose of this post is that if I visit Thailand, some things I do not understand. Coyote dancers are I understand are not available but in some forums it is mentioned that bar fines is high for coyote dancers. Then what if they go with customers.[/QUOTE]Coyote girls are available, just for a higher price. Firstly it should be pointed out that not all bars have them but in those that do, they're generally the prettier girls and the best dancers. Coyote girls dress differently from the other girls so can be easily identified. They dance near the door and try to entice customers in to the bar. I couldn't resist buying a drink for one in Champagne on Soi LK Metro. She was particularly pretty but within one minute of downing her drink, she left to go up and dance again next to the door. These girls make a fortune from lady-drinks so they don't need to spread their legs for cash unless the price is right. Expect to pay higher than other girls. I saw another great looking 'coyote' in Happy Agogo. She was dancing on her own small stage and wore a different outfit to the other girls (shorts, stockings and a top, as opposed to the usual bra and panties). She was a breathtaking girl so I called her down and bought her a lady-drink but when I enquired about her bar-fine, she quoted me 2500ST and 4000LT. I was pleasantly surprised because it was early in the night and generally girls who quote 2500 for short-time will drop quite easily to 2000. I suspect negotiations are tougher with coyote girls though. In this case I didn't ask because I wanted to visit some other bars.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1459600]What I get impression from internet that Filipino are fairer, good English and more girl friendly and no Indian hate attitude. This racist attitude has been created by various stories implanted by certain bars owners.[/QUOTE]I must say, I did encounter some anti-Indian behaviour in Pattaya. I was waiting for a friend outside Alcatraz on Walking Street and the security guards on the door refused to let a group of about ten Indians enter. They said 'members only' but my friend and I entered five minutes later without problem. It's not down to skin-colour though. Indian's often walk around in large groups and I'm told that when they enter a bar, only a few will buy drinks. The bar-owners want to make money and it's not in their interest if most of the seats are taken by people not spending money. However if you are on your own then I would like to think that you wouldn't encounter this.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1459621]I think Annies opens at 10 AM but may not have many girls at that time? I think a few daytime bars on Sukhumvit Soi 4 may open earlier, but not certain.

Funny term "downtown". I think this part is only a centre for tourists but not main city or main business district.

Can get outcall from various sources if you know who / what you want. I would be ringing some girl I know to make an arrangement.

No sure if many guys go looking for girls at 8AM.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I agree. I usually wake up with one in bed blowing me. Sort of like an alarm clock. Or if she's sleeping I'll snuggle up from behind and start working it until she wakes up. Anyway, looks like Annies at 11 am or so.

Downtown vs the airport. I guess I'm a city guy so pavement and traffic lights means downtown versus the highway. Or I must have "going down" on my brain! .

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1459686]I think the bar owners got feedback from the girls about Indian behavior. Why does everyone put the blame on everyone but the girls. It's the girls who have to sex the Indian. LOL.

Ps. I don't blame the girls for avoiding certain kinds of men, and not only Indians. LOL.[/QUOTE]Ultimately with such an abundance of punters the girls can be choosy, not only in who they go with but the price as well. I often have girls long time for 2000 baht, the same girls will charge others 4000 baht for long time.

But many would rather have less money and enjoy the sex than more money and hate it.

With the boot on the other foot, if you had a cute young thing willing to pay you 2K for sex or an old grandma past 50 willing to pay you 4K. Who would you sleep with?

So the girls cannot be blamed, its all about supply and demand. In Thailand there is a massive supply of punters willing to pay, so girls can be choosy.

It's their choice and you have to respect it.

[QUOTE=JohnnyVegas;1459815]Thanks. I agree. I usually wake up with one in bed blowing me. Sort of like an alarm clock.[/QUOTE]I have been trying to find such an alarm clock all my life. LOL This has been precisely my fantasy of the perfect girl but never found her.

I was looking for a sex at Thailand but not the bar girls type looking for some real beauties.

Any help?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1458946]Really we should be in the general thread. I think you could be a bit more specific exactly what type of "guides" you talk about. If sex is your thing then read this forum. If nature is your thing, research the national parks of Thailand.

Years ago I read travel books but in modern day use the internet more. Of the books I read, Lonely Planet Guide to Thailand was one of the least impressive to me even though thick. Perhaps has been rewritten in recent years. It seemed to focus on mundane things like Hotels to stay, restaurants to eat, etc. Only useful stuff was usually where to go to get from one place to another, e. G. Bus, trains, etc. The most important travel info for me is details of all the attractions that places have to offer, whether related to nature, culture, history, arts, or to sexual escapades...[/QUOTE]

[quote=johnnyvegas; 1459615]hi mates. i haven't been to bkk in ahile as i'm usually in pattaya but i will be arriving 6:00 am. by the time i get downtown to suk it will be around 8:00 am. any ideas for some morning action? i can only think of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s or annies. both of which probably don't open until 11:00 am.

thanks![/quote]you could try your luck at the nana hotel parking lot or the sidewalk adjacent to it. i've seen a girl there as early as 8 am.

alternately there may be some street action on lower sukhumvit, between soi 3 and 5, or on soi 5 leading to foodland.

escort sites might arrange an appointment that early or even a meet up at the airport.

[quote=Sir Lancelot; 1459787]In 7 days your best option is to pick either Pattaya or Angeles. If you split your time between two cities, you'll just skim the surface of each and you'll also waste one of your precious days traveling.[/quote]Thanks for your reply.

This will definitely help me my plan. Anyhow I cannot resist temptation to reply mr Streetwalker. I have been to various countries in gulf including Baharin and Iran. Most of places all SW welcomed me. At one massage centre in Dubai, a Thai massage lady did not agree anything extra and worked uncomfortably. Three Chinese workers and one Uzbek told me that Indians are no nonsense customers.

Forget the discussion.

In January around 12 th syrgies mentioned about lap dance in Soi Cowboy. Is it also possible in Pattaya or Angeles where you can pay and have some groping and kissing at bar without taking lady out. Not like Soi Cowboy bars of having blowjob at site

Thanks Lancelot again. I have gone through your reports and looks genuine. Similarly Gorgan.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1459600]This racist attitude has been created by various stories implanted by certain bars owners and hence Thai girl carry same notions. I stayed at LK Metro area but I was not sure that girls sitting in bar can be bar fined or not. I did not ask.

Probably I may go both places Pattaya and Angeles city. 3-3 days. Thanks for any assistance / guidance / opinions.[/QUOTE]I agree with Sir L, just thinking of the transfer time between Pattaya-BKK-Manila-Angeles, will drain you of all the juices. The Indian bias is definitely there in Pattaya and BKK and applicable whether you are alone or in a group. Even if you manage to get inside the girls may behave differently. But there are many go-go's which are welcoming. I don't fully agree that the bar owners have impanted stories. Rather it's the cumulative behavior of the some indian tourists which has led to this. I have witnessed trucks of IT's arriving into massage parlors where they are showered with VIP treatment. Looking at the numbers these could be well part of a tour package. On the other hand you can witness groups of Indian's in some go-go's dancing and removing their shirts or entering a traditional thai massage and asking for a sandwich massage. This type of behavior would not go down well with the Jap / Korean brigades who sit quietly, sip their colas and slip out thousands of bahts from the money purses hanging around their necks or the thai management. All this should not hinder you, Pattaya has some thing for everybody. If you stayed at LK Metro and didn't know that the girls can be bar fined or not, you need to read back at least all the reports of distinction, you will have more knowledge than you can handle.

Hallo to all of you,

Will be back to the "action" in about 5 weeks.

Is there anybody with news about my favourite place SOL?

Thanks in advance.

FV

bangkok handjobs.

flew into bangkok with thai airways from london heathrow for just over £600, but will pay extra for a direct flight. for low season the plane was full. arrive bangkok around 3pm friday afternoon, taxi to my hotel the admiral suites top of soi 22 agreed 500 baht with taxi driver. traffic not to bad for a friday afternoon into bangkok. check into admiral suites, nice room overlooking street life of soi 22. hotel has small swimming pool, gym, sauna on the top floor. nice restaurant attached to the hotel too parrot cafe, draught heineken 65b and lovely thai food.

first night back in bangkok after nearly 3 years and mostly spent down soi cowboy. soi cowboy as popular as ever with tourists passing through. the most good looking girl i saw down soi cowboy turns out to be a ladyboy! a mature barwoman and her young accomplish give me a a handjob in the moonshine joint. i return to soi 22 and have a 6 hands massage and handjob.

[url]http://mongerplanet.com/2013/06/28/bangkok-handjobs/[/url]

nana plaza.

the next day in bangkok i'm shocked to find washington square has been demolished. the artist theme bars down soi 33 are disappearing too. i wander up and down the sukhumvit observing what has changed. tonight i am intending to enjoy the nana plaza. i head to soi 4 in the daytime. the nana plaza has had a facelift. some of the gogos are open in the daytime within the nana plaza but the girls dancing were old and fat. soi 4 still lively in the daytime, some tourists the worst for drink.

i check out annies massage, tell me very busy but i not like any of the women left in the fishbowl.

that night i start off in the queens park plaza and notice a handful of girls working in the bars there that look ****. motocycle driver drops me off at the nana plaza for 50 baht and i start my gogo crawl. i'm in the carnival gogo on the top floor, its pretty empty inside and the bull has lost both its horns now. next thing i have 3 girls sat with me and one is ****, another a coyote dancer only. i make my way to the mercury gogo and decide to barfine a dancer who was half japanese early 20s. we agreed 1500 baht short time, she was not happy with this though and wanted 2000 baht. could not be bothered to take her back to soi 22 so just hired a short time room in the nana costing 350 baht. so lady drink was 150 baht, barfine 600 baht. it all adds up.

good sex with her but still she wanted more money but i not give.

[url]http://mongerplanet.com/2013/06/29/bangkok-nana-plaza/[/url]

posiedon soapy massage.

my last day and night in bangkok and want to try something different. i have never been down the ratchadaphisek road or ratchada before where all the classy soapy massage parlous exist, mostly popular with asian clients with money. i decided on poseidon. so take the mrt at the sukhumvit asoke junction and alight at sutthisan taking exit 4 and turning right with posiedon just down the road. was around 7pm when i arrived at posiedons supose to be one of the better times when most girls begin their shifts. posiedons has two floors with girls on. the third floor is where girls just sit about in the lounge, these are suppose to be model girls, with alot having worked in glamour magazines even thailand penthouse, they can set you back 5000 baht plus.

i was disappointed in what i saw. i have seen better looking girls working in sub soi beer bars. one trait they do have in common is light skin, thats what the asian guys like. i wander down to the 2nd floor and take a look at the girls in the fishbowl. papasan sits with you fishing for a tip. he tells me girls to left are 2700 and to the right 3000 baht for 2 hours. now apparently some of the soapies add a surcharge for foreigners and posiedon is suppose to be one of them. i like a girl to the right who keeps smiling at me and choose her. have to pay my 3000 baht at reception, tip papasan 100 baht and my girl meets me and leads me to one of the rooms in the posiedon.

she is pleasant enough, quite heavily tattooed though under the dress, tells me she is aged 22 but probably older. gives me a nice soapy bath, with bbbj and then sex on the bed, finally giving me massage.

i make my way back to soi cowboy and just enjoy a few gogos before heading back to my hotel. in the morning i have a flight to catch to jakarta, indonesia.

[url]http://mongerplanet.com/2013/06/30/bangkok-soapy-massage/[/url]

I'm a bit of a newbie to mongering but in my short career have been a Cowboy fan, especially Baccara. Love the school girl outfits on level 2. My last visit to Bangkok went to Bada Bing at Patpong for the first time and must say was one of my best mongering experiences to date. To start with there was an amazing batch of gogo dancers going at it. I caught the eye of a real looker and bought her a drink afterwards, asked her to go out for a spin with me, which is when I got introduced to the concept of coyotes. I don't however see it as time or money wasted. The whole pre fuck buildup of chatting up sexy women is important in setting the mood and feeling good and happy when you finally nail the bird. So anyway I quickly shifted attention to batch 2 who were available for ST / LT. They were disappointing after the coyotes but identified a particularly good looking one. Told mamasan to send her over after their number and she came with a girlfriend. Bought a few rounds of drinks and took one for an ST to the hotel next door. She was so natural and genuinely turned on, cumming noisily. For me seemingly girl enjoying her session and not doing a scripted act is the ultimate turn on. The name is Nam. Would love to hear if anyone else has been with her. Drinks set me back 1200, bar fine 600, ST 2000, and hotel 600. Expensive when added up, but well worth it.

Just checked in to hotel in Bangkok, first visit in I think nearly 7 years, here for the next 4 nights, then plan on hitting Pattaya before coming back to Bangkok. Feel free to PM if anyone's around to meet up for a drink.

[QUOTE=FlyingVisitor; 1459951]Hallo to all of you,

Will be back to the "action" in about 5 weeks.

Is there anybody with news about my favourite place SOL?

Thanks in advance.

FV[/QUOTE]Still going strong, still sleazy as ever and going rate is 400 Bahts for barfine takeout (got to be the cheapest in town)

Sucking is still the best in town, very good place for a quickie, as iut has always been known for.

Enjoy dude

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1459842]But many would rather have less money and enjoy the sex than more money and hate it.

With the boot on the other foot, if you had a cute young thing willing to pay you 2K for sex or an old grandma past 50 willing to pay you 4K. Who would you sleep with?[/QUOTE]Really now- are the girls really enjoying the sex? The top ones are just machines. This past week has been wild at the Rainbows. But its the same old same old-the same girls are getting barfined time after time. A hot one cums back from a barfine, she goes on stage and she hooks a customer very fast.

While the avg to less than avg. Ones just sit around just like customers observing the happenings around them. When you see it everyday like I do you feel bad for bioth types of girls. The ones that make no money. An the the ones that make money but at what physical. And emotional cost.

2 and a half months I declare the Baccara girls just plain unfriendly. LOL.

If I were a prostitute I'd take the old ladies 4k. You need to realize they in it for the money not the orgasms.

Another real life example of why bar owners and girls like Asians. Have you ever seen an Asian passed out drunk on the floor in NEP? I saw a white hooligan one today, looked like a baby sleeping. LOL.

Today went to have a look in Baccara again but this time around 10PM. Expected to see a greatly improved line-up over the 1:30AM lot an earlier day. Actually was same girl as last time I thought had a good face No. 175 but big silicones. The other one I like was involved in a sexy dance show and one of the very few in the show with natural tits. I have been with her 3 or 4 times in the past. That was it, really. One or two other acceptable girls. I don't like the very fake looks of the large majority. Some of them don't even look Thai. I find Dollhouse has some prettier girls. I commented to Yin Yang, with me, that No. 225 was so adjusted in the face that she looked like a ladyboy. To my taste, one of the worst. As soon as she got off the podium though, was called over by some Japanese customers. They obviously thought she was great, I guess.

Earlier in the day went to Utopia soapy and great session with one of my regulars. These days has implants but they are a not too exaggerated job. So acceptable. Nice GFE. Spotted some other extreme cuties on the way out and noted the numbers for a future occasion. Utopia is expensive for Farangs but they do have a few girls of superior looks in amongst all the fake noses. Recommended for Asian guys.

[QUOTE=SirMarjAlot; 1459954]Was around 7pm when I arrived at Posiedons supose to be one of the better times when most girls begin their shifts. Posiedons has two floors with girls on. The third floor is where girls just sit about in the lounge, these are suppose to be model girls, with alot having worked in glamour magazines even Thailand Penthouse, they can set you back 5000 baht plus.

I was disappointed in what I saw. I have seen better looking girls working in sub soi beer bars. One trait they do have in common is light skin, thats what the asian guys like. I wander down to the 2nd floor and take a look at the girls in the fishbowl. Papasan sits with you fishing for a tip. He tells me girls to left are 2700 and to the right 3000 baht for 2 hours. Now apparently some of the Soapies add a surcharge for foreigners and Posiedon is suppose to be one of them. I like a girl to the right who keeps smiling at me and choose her. Have to pay my 3000 baht at reception, tip papasan 100 baht and my girl meets me and leads me to one of the rooms in the Posiedon.

She is pleasant enough, quite heavily tattooed though under the dress, tells me she is aged 22 but probably older.[/QUOTE]Yes the so called models on Poseidon 3rd floor are not that stunning. Yes light skin, young, good bodies, no baby stretch marks, but I left out the face part. Unfortunately that is the problem. Most are quite plain faced. I look at the face before the body, so most are ruled out immediately.

I think Amsterdam and Utopia has some much better lookers, however its still a lowish percentage of the total. Not so many stunning girls are forced to work in Soapies, bars, or MPs, unless that is what they really want.

The advantage with choosing a girl at a nude bar or virtually nude, is that there are no surprises when the cloths come off.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1460044]Yes the so called models on Poseidon 3rd floor are not that stunning. Yes light skin, young, good bodies, no baby stretch marks, but I left out the face part. Unfortunately that is the problem. Most are quite plain faced. I look at the face before the body, so most are ruled out immediately.

I think Amsterdam and Utopia has some much better lookers, however its still a lowish percentage of the total. Not so many stunning girls are forced to work in Soapies, bars, or MPs, unless that is what they really want.

The advantage with choosing a girl at a nude bar or virtually nude, is that there are no surprises when the cloths come off.[/QUOTE]Yes thats what I like about the Gogos. 'no surprises'. Although there is still plenty of girls to choose from in the Gogos, during my short stay and compared to previous visits over the last 10 years or so, I would say the quality is on the decline.

I was hard pushed to find a girl that really stood out. It always happened on the first night in Bangkok on past visits.

I would definitely return to Soapy land and try some of the other establishments. Amsterdam has popped up a few times. If I was there now I think I would try Nataree.

This is a good blog on the Bangkok soapy massage scene.

[url]http://guestfriendlyhotelsinthailand.********.co.uk/2012/07/my-5-favorite-bangkok-soapy-massage.html[/url]

[QUOTE=SirMarjAlot; 1459954]Flew into Bangkok with Thai Airways from London Heathrow for just over £600, but will pay extra for a direct flight. For low season the plane was full. Arrive Bangkok around 3pm Friday afternoon, taxi to my hotel the Admiral suites top of soi 22 agreed 500 baht with taxi driver. Traffic not to bad for a Friday afternoon into Bangkok. Check into Admiral suites, nice room overlooking street life of soi 22.[/QUOTE]Could I please ask why oh why would anyone agree a fixed fare from the airport with a taxi driver, you know you are getting ripped off. I landed at 20.30 Saturday night, was in a Taxi just after 21.00. Heading to Soi 13, I paid the two tolls total 75 baht, the meter showed 215 when we reached the hotel, plus 50 for the airport surcharge, = 265 baht, I gave the drive 300 so after paying the tolls, total cost was 375 baht. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1459572]This takes us to last night. Another night, another girl. This one admittedly only average at best but I have a weakness for overbites and she had one that was an orthodontist's nightmare. Same same. Standing lap dance and so on. Gets me to buy drinks for her three friends as well as herself. Ok why not. 3am and I ask her if she wants to come back with me. Ok. But need money. How much. 3,000 baht. Bargain her down to 2, 500 which is more than her looks deserve. In truth a 1500 baht girl. But it was 3am and I did not have the energy to start over again. So I agree and say let's go. No she replies, I want to listen to the music some more and by the way my friends all need a refill. At this point I retreat to the men's room to think this over. Its 3am, I am quite horny but this has every bad sign there is hung on this one. So I look thru my phone for a long sms and take it to her, and she has moved near the door because I think she suspected I was going to make a break for it, and show her the sms and tell her that my friend is very sick and has gone to the hospital and I need to go see him. My last look at her was one with her mouth agape looking to catch a fly.

So I am just curious to know from the guys who have been to Climax lately what girls have been asking them. 2,000 for st is fair but this 3, 000 and 5, 000 baht business is just silly or is that where the late night disco girls are these days?[/QUOTE]There's no need to concoct an elaborate cover up just because you decided not to bar fine her. I understand the whole thing about not wanting to make her lose face, but the hell with that. She was treating you like the turd I just flushed down the toilet before writing this, no need to put these gals on a pedestal, just say goodbye or better yet just leave without saying anything, you owe them no apology. As far as a girl asking for 5, 000 she's just telling you, for whatever reason, she doesn't want to go with you. Often times, the more money you give them and the nicer you are, the more they end up hating you!

BTW- Insanity, you were there too early, it usually starts crackin' no earlier than 1 AM

[QUOTE=The Pro; 1459842]With the boot on the other foot, if you had a cute young thing willing to pay you 2K for sex or an old grandma past 50 willing to pay you 4K. Who would you sleep with?[/QUOTE]I won't mention any names, but looking at the photo gallery, I'd surmise some would opt for the granny 5555

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1460086]There's no need to concoct an elaborate cover up just because you decided not to bar fine her. I understand the whole thing about not wanting to make her lose face, but the hell with that. She was treating you like the turd I just flushed down the toilet before writing this, no need to put these gals on a pedestal, just say goodbye or better yet just leave without saying anything, you owe them no apology. As far as a girl asking for 5, 000 she's just telling you, for whatever reason, she doesn't want to go with you. Often times, the more money you give them and the nicer you are, the more they end up hating you!

BTW- Insanity, you were there too early, it usually starts crackin' no earlier than 1 AM[/QUOTE]TH is quite right. You are treated as an ATM and should have said 'we walk out now together or I leave on my own- now.' You are not building a life long relationship but paying for an hour's f*ck*ng with a WG. I would have just left with a smile at the thought of the money I was saving.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit; 1459940]Thanks for your reply.

This will definitely help me my plan. Anyhow I cannot resist temptation to reply mr Streetwalker. I have been to various countries in gulf including Baharin and Iran. Most of places all SW welcomed me. At one massage centre in Dubai, a Thai massage lady did not agree anything extra and worked uncomfortably. Three Chinese workers and one Uzbek told me that Indians are no nonsense customers.

Forget the discussion.

In January around 12 th syrgies mentioned about lap dance in Soi Cowboy. Is it also possible in Pattaya or Angeles where you can pay and have some groping and kissing at bar without taking lady out. Not like Soi Cowboy bars of having blowjob at site

Thanks Lancelot again. I have gone through your reports and looks genuine. Similarly Gorgan.[/QUOTE]I don't think one who is trying to convince Thai girls to service Indians should use Dubai and Iran as examples. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1460044]Yes the so called models on Poseidon 3rd floor are not that stunning. Yes light skin, young, good bodies, no baby stretch marks, but I left out the face part. Unfortunately that is the problem. Most are quite plain faced. I look at the face before the body, so most are ruled out immediately.

I think Amsterdam and Utopia has some much better lookers, however its still a lowish percentage of the total. Not so many stunning girls are forced to work in Soapies, bars, or MPs, unless that is what they really want.

The advantage with choosing a girl at a nude bar or virtually nude, is that there are no surprises when the cloths come off.[/QUOTE]The problem with nude bars is the face. Good faces just don't work nude bars.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1460086]Often times, the more money you give them and the nicer you are, the more they end up hating you!

BTW- Insanity, you were there too early, it usually starts crackin' no earlier than 1 AM[/QUOTE]If they don't like you they, don't like you. Money to them doesn't matter. I've experienced this.

The girls do have their limits. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1460039]Today went to have a look in Baccara again but this time around 10PM. Expected to see a greatly improved line-up over the 1:30AM lot an earlier day. Actually was same girl as last time I thought had a good face No. 175 but big silicones. The other one I like was involved in a sexy dance show and one of the very few in the show with natural tits. I have been with her 3 or 4 times in the past. That was it, really. One or two other acceptable girls. I don't like the very fake looks of the large majority. Some of them don't even look Thai. I find Dollhouse has some prettier girls. I commented to Yin Yang, with me, that No. 225 was so adjusted in the face that she looked like a ladyboy. To my taste, one of the worst. As soon as she got off the podium though, was called over by some Japanese customers. They obviously thought she was great, I guess.[/QUOTE]I also noticed that for some reason, plastic surgery seems to wipe out almost any facial expression. Most girls at Baccara look deadpan on the stage.

Found the girls at SW much more entertaining even though many are not as "perfect". My barfine Pui definitely was cute, very slim body, maybe a little inexperienced. But that, strangely enough, only shows in bed while she seemed to have no problem at all strutting around nakedly in the bar. Uninhibited in public but shy in private, LOL.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1460172]I also noticed that for some reason, plastic surgery seems to wipe out almost any facial expression. Most girls at Baccara look deadpan on the stage.

Found the girls at SW much more entertaining even though many are not as "perfect". My barfine Pui definitely was cute, very slim body, maybe a little inexperienced. But that, strangely enough, only shows in bed while she seemed to have no problem at all strutting around nakedly in the bar. Uninhibited in public but shy in private, LOL.[/QUOTE]I thought she was a little shyer than my talkative girls (with a few drinks) in the bar LOL.

If girls are ugly old fatty and expensive, what's the point of mongering all the way to Thailand?

[quote=tony hoeprano; 1460086]there's no need to concoct an elaborate cover up just because you decided not to bar fine her. i understand the whole thing about not wanting to make her lose face, but the hell with that. she was treating you like the turd i just flushed down the toilet before writing this, no need to put these gals on a pedestal, just say goodbye or better yet just leave without saying anything, you owe them no apology. as far as a girl asking for 5, 000 she's just telling you, for whatever reason, she doesn't want to go with you. often times, the more money you give them and the nicer you are, the more they end up hating you!

btw- insanity, you were there too early, it usually starts crackin' no earlier than 1 am[/quote]i am pretty sure that after giving me a standing lap dance for nearly an hour that she wanted to go with me, that can't be great for her back poor thing. but for the right price. i just think she thought i was easy pickings. as a friend told me after relaying my tale to him. many guys who are still at climax at 4am are probably fairy desperate to get laid by that time and partly inebriated and willing to say yes to anything. i hadn't had much to drink though and still was able to say no.

i'll give insanity another go but when i say no one was there at midnight i mean no one. and i jumped over to climax 10 minutes later and it was already going at full speed.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1460086]There's no need to concoct an elaborate cover up just because you decided not to bar fine her. I understand the whole thing about not wanting to make her lose face, but the hell with that.[/QUOTE]Why do people in this game feel the need to lie to each other? I was discussing that with one of my regulars the other day. She said that everybody lies, the men and the women. I said well there is no reason for us to lie to each other. When I met you and asked what you do your exact words were that you sell your body. I said great because I would like to buy. And there started a wonderful relationship. I know that you go with men and you have definitely seen me with other women.

It's like when people browse a store then tell the shop keeper that they will come back when they have no intentions of coming back. In the case of the store or the girl, why not just say a simple thank you and go about your way instead of lying?

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1460086]As far as a girl asking for 5,000 she's just telling you, for whatever reason, she doesn't want to go with you.[/QUOTE]You are right about that one TH. Last week me, my father, and my brother were at a disco. There was a smoking hot chick at the table next to ours and I knew a couple of her friends. I called one of the girls that I knew over and told them that I wanted to get with the girl. She told me that the girl liked my brother, but one of the other girls at the table liked me. I said fuck that. Tell her that I want her. She went to talk to the girl and came back over and said she will go with you for 2000. I said to tell her no thank you and good luck. She ended up going with my brother for the usual 1000.

[quote=streetwalker7; 1460023]2 and a half months i declare the baccara girls just plain unfriendly. lol.

if i were a prostitute i'd take the old ladies 4k. you need to realize they in it for the money not the orgasms.[/quote]last night i was sitting with 2 beer bar girls on soi 4, one i know and the other is her buddy. we covered a lot of topics from love to orgasms. they don't believe in either. i asked them when was the last time they had an orgasm from a customer. they look at me like i was stone stupid."never. you crazy. we are not there for orgasm, we are there for money. when money is in my hand i feel very happy. only then."

i never have gotten the love for baccara from so many. what a money machine. bring in the suckers, churn them out. went 3 nights ago with a friend and i thought yes this is why i hate the place. packed with customers glass eyed watching masses of girls on the stage on the first floor and the second floor is just weird. the school girls are ok but show nothing of interest while the next group has enough silicone between them to go wholesale. terrible jobs, like tor****es ready for firing. they must all go to the same doctor and he should be drummed out of the business. a lot of girls but very little quality. baccara in pattaya is soooo much better.

[quote=drronin; 1460303]last night i was sitting with 2 beer bar girls on soi 4, one i know and the other is her buddy. we covered a lot of topics from love to orgasms. they don't believe in either. i asked them when was the last time they had an orgasm from a customer. they look at me like i was stone stupid."never. you crazy. we are not there for orgasm, we are there for money. when money is in my hand i feel very happy. only then."

i never have gotten the love for baccara from so many. what a money machine. bring in the suckers, churn them out. went 3 nights ago with a friend and i thought yes this is why i hate the place. packed with customers glass eyed watching masses of girls on the stage on the first floor and the second floor is just weird. the school girls are ok but show nothing of interest while the next group has enough silicone between them to go wholesale. terrible jobs, like tor****es ready for firing. they must all go to the same doctor and he should be drummed out of the business. a lot of girls but very little quality. baccara in pattaya is soooo much better.[/quote]i feel validate by those 2 bb girls. thanks. i know i'm thinking straight and others are not. lol.

referencing my r4 favorite again who has been away for 5 weeks, btw i pray to whomever one prays to that she isn't getting silicone. omg if she did. two of her closet co-workers got silicone and as per normal now both look like freaks. one i can give her a pass as she isn't heavily barfined. the other one is heavily barfined-maybe its peer pressure.

anyway.

1. miss r4 looks most spirited at the end of our sessions when its time for me to pay. lol.

2. i asked her what she thinks of when a guy is doing her snoop dog style- she says her mind is blank. lol.

3. i asked her if it was fun having sex with a 75 year old man. i think its cute. lol. she say while i may chuckle its no fun for her.

4. i'm pretty sure the main reason my fav goes with me is i give her money. lol. w / o the baht i doubt she would let me feel her nipples in the bar.

i think all these guys who are pleasuring these girls left and right maybe doing so only in their own minds. lol. i really would like to hear more of what the girls say. even about me. i can take it. i know i'm just a customer!

ps i criticize baccara a lot but i still enjoy it. good place to people watch.

i'm pretty sure the main reason my fav goes with me is i give her money. lol.

To take it one step further, the reason guys have a hard time finding good chemistry is that girls are not looking for that. They see us as a one-shot deal and move on. Too much time and energy to try and click with a guy you probably won't ever see again.

Which I think for them is the right way to go!

[quote=drronin;1460303]the school girls are ok but show nothing of interest while the next group has enough silicone between them to go wholesale. terrible jobs, like tor****es ready for firing. they must all go to the same doctor and he should be drummed out of the business. a lot of girls but very little quality. baccara in pattaya is soooo much better.[/quote]personally the school girls are doing nothing much for me. too much flab for my taste and plain faces. i like bambi types or at least gazelles. i agree that the plastic surgery is appalling but the japanese are going for these looks. the more extreme the surgery look, the quicker the girl got picked. so the positive reinforcement is real high.

i see a lot of farangs are saying they like baccara too. i don't get it. very limited girls look naturally nice.

i would much rather be in a rainbow bar than in baccara, to find hot girls to my taste. i really think the girls standard in baccara has been getting worse over time. 2 years ago and i could find more pretty girls there.

apparently the latest fashion for rich is to go get plastic surgery in korea to get the new korean look.

i think crazy house has possibilities for the future. similar upstairs with see-through floor and downstairs like baccara but girls are looking more natural and more raunchy (rather than fidgeting like bored out of their brains). i could see crazy house really taking off before long. its doing quite okay already.

[QUOTE=IndianVisit;1459600]I have got 7 days leave. In late September.[/QUOTE]I'll be in Pattaya during the last week of Sept. I usually visit BKK and Pattaya but this time planned a entire week in Pattaya.

Get your PM activated, and we could catch up for a beer some evening around a Soi 6 bar!

Regards,

A

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1460086]There's no need to concoct an elaborate cover up just because you decided not to bar fine her. I understand the whole thing about not wanting to make her lose face, but the hell with that.[/QUOTE]This is all part of the game. Take away all these "niceties" and life gets ugly.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1460319]Personally the school girls are doing nothing much for me. Too much flab for my taste and plain faces. I like bambi types or at least gazelles. I agree that the plastic surgery is appalling but the Japanese are going for these looks. The more extreme the surgery look, the quicker the girl got picked. So the positive reinforcement is real high.

I.

I think Crazy House has possibilities for the future. Similar upstairs with see-through floor and downstairs like Baccara but girls are looking more natural and more raunchy (rather than fidgeting like bored out of their brains). I could see Crazy House really taking off before long. Its doing quite okay already.[/QUOTE]The Japanese like the fake tit syndrome? I would never have thought that. I always think of that as more a Farang thing since we have so much of that back home in the strip clubs.

I have been to Crazy House twice now and after doing a bit of a jaunt thru many of the non-Arab bars in Soi Cowboy last night I think it's easily the most fun and probably has the best looking girls. That doesn't mean they are all fab. Most are not but the other night they had some 12 of them on stage and I would gladly have gone with 6 of them. For me that is a high pct. But the first time I went there were hardly any customers and last time it was packed so the word is getting out. In this video from Billboard in Nana the little well proportioned girl in black is now dancing at CH.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCLVga8fOro[/url]

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1460532]In this video from Billboard in Nana the little well proportioned girl in black is now dancing at CH.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCLVga8fOro[/url][/QUOTE]Looks like fake tits in this video. I saw a girl at Crazy House with similar dance style but I think wasn't the same girl, as tits looked smaller. In your video I like the girl dancing slower more sexy with the light leopard skin bra (not the one with straight cut fringe either) as she looks more exotic.

I only saw about 2 or 3 girls I liked at Crazy House so I guess I am just more fussy.

Today went back to Dollhouse looking for the bambi girl Naam (ex of Billboard). Ni told me that Naam has not been back to work since I took her for ST, and that her friends report she is sick. So naturally, I am copping the blame for this. Like what did I do to the poor girl? The girl Naam claimed to have had two orgasms and was spent. Even if was true, that could not put her out of action for days LOL. No more than 1 hour of sex play of various types and positions, but I don't go at it hard at all. When we finished, she said she would be going dancing next. Probably meeting some other guy who didn't want to pay the BF. Some Thai girls are telling that 20 to 30 mins of sex should really be the limit though. In my case its rare I finish within 30 mins, unless getting BBBJ only. Ni has been with me several times including LT, so knows my style well, but has never avoided going with me so must think I am safe enough LOL.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;1460084]Could I please ask why oh why would anyone agree a fixed fare from the airport with a taxi driver, you know you are getting ripped off. .[/QUOTE]Because some are getting revenues by posting links to pages full of links to pay websites. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1460554]Some Thai girls are telling that 20 to 30 mins of sex should really be the limit though.[/QUOTE]Can't disagree with this. And of the minutes I doubt many want all of the time being used having intercourse.

Slowly but surely the real Iifo is coming out. No girl wants a 2 hour short-time. LOL. The good doctor and Mr Syz being the exceptions.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1459579]These girl are out for money- they could care less if you pleasure them or not.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1460154]If they don't like you they, don't like you. Money to them doesn't matter. I've experienced this.

The girls do have their limits. LOL.[/QUOTE]Beautiful Harold. First you say the girls are only interested in the money then a couple of days later you post that money doesn't matter to them? So which one is it?

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1460606]Can't disagree with this. And of the minutes I doubt many want all of the time being used having intercourse.

Slowly but surely the real Iifo is coming out. No girl wants a 2 hour short-time. LOL. The good doctor and Mr Syz being the exceptions.[/QUOTE]I did say various activities. That includes long DATY and BBBJ. 69, etc. Not just fucking only. I do have sympathy on girls and often take the tag team of 2 girls (ocassionally even 3) from the bar when I want a 2 hour ST.

Tulip, Mango, SW, etc. Girls were always expected to have the stamina to go nearly the whole session of 90 mins, or 2 hours with some resting. LOL

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1460554]Today went back to Dollhouse looking for the bambi girl Naam (ex of Billboard). Ni told me that Naam has not been back to work since I took her for ST, and that her friends report she is sick. So naturally, I am copping the blame for this. Like what did I do to the poor girl? The girl Naam claimed to have had two orgasms and was spent. Even if was true, that could not put her out of action for days LOL. No more than 1 hour of sex play of various types and positions, but I don't go at it hard at all. When we finished, she said she would be going dancing next. Probably meeting some other guy who didn't want to pay the BF. Some Thai girls are telling that 20 to 30 mins of sex should really be the limit though. In my case its rare I finish within 30 mins, unless getting BBBJ only. Ni has been with me several times including LT, so knows my style well, but has never avoided going with me so must think I am safe enough LOL.[/QUOTE]Come to Singapore & you might get only 2 or 3 minutes.

If you're not being allowed 2 to 3 hours in Bangkok, you need to find some better girls.

[QUOTE=Oscar925;1460225]If girls are ugly old fatty and expensive, what's the point of mongering all the way to Thailand?[/QUOTE]A good question. It seems some people on this forum, well, one person mainly, just moan continually about the lack of quality girls, their attitudes, prices (etc) and yet they keep going back for more. They are the mongering equivalent of a fly who can't escape from a window and keeps flying in to the glass. Bang, ouch, bang, ouch, bang, ouch. They keep making the same mistake over and over but don't have sufficient brain cells to solve the problem. They could go to Philippines where girls give better service for far cheaper prices but no. They could try Phnom Penh or go to Indonesia, one of the most under-rated (and cheapest) pay-for-play destinations in the world but no. They could even venture out beyond Bangkok, to Pattaya or Chiang Mai perhaps but no, they just keep going back to a place they can only ever find negatives about.

To any newcomer who might be reading, Thailand is a spectacular place to visit with many, many pretty girls. I guarantee that any first-timer will feel like a kid in a toy-shop when they step on to Soi Cowboy for the first time, or walk around Nana Plaza. Cheaper prices can be found if you're willing to step beyond the same gogo bars every night and good service can be found too, if you have good game and treat the girls well, not like a piece of meat. The fact that Streetwalker / Harold encounters poor service so often and those few girls that do go with him, do a runner at the first opportunity, says more about him than it does about the girls.

Are you insinuating many a prostitute are in it for reasons other than money. You should know better than I. You hire prostitutes. Do they tell you in interviews they want real men to teach them about sex- not thai boys. LOL. Or that they want to learn about std's up close and personal. LOL.

If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Just because a girl declines customers doesn't mean she isn't after money. I've seen many guys get blown off. I sure if they offered 20% over fair price the girl would still decline. Theres one girl at Rainbow 2 that just doesn't like me. She stop accepting my money- it happens. Not all people like all other people.

To be fair this girl blows off more customers than any other I've seen. I look at the guys and I'm saying to myself what is she seeing that I don't. LOL. You just don't get a lot of HOOLIGANS at Rainbow2.

Just because a girl declines customers doesn't mean money isn't number 1.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1460859]Are you insinuating many a prostitute are in it for reasons other than money. You should know better than I. You hire prostitutes. Do they tell you in interviews they want real men to teach them about sex- not thai boys. LOL. Or that they want to learn about std's up close and personal. LOL.

If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Just because a girl declines customers doesn't mean she isn't after money. I've seen many guys get blown off. I sure if they offered 20% over fair price the girl would still decline. Theres one girl at Rainbow 2 that just doesn't like me. She stop accepting my money- it happens. Not all people like all other people.

To be fair this girl blows off more customers than any other I've seen. I look at the guys and I'm saying to myself what is she seeing that I don't. LOL. You just don't get a lot of HOOLIGANS at Rainbow2.

Just because a girl declines customers doesn't mean money isn't number 1.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. At Thermae there are a lot of girls who decline farang. It is useless offering more than the standart rate. They don't even look at a farang standing a meter in front of them.

I need some advice. I monger mostly in mexico and latin america. I live in united states. I am an indian. I am 30 years old.

It will be my first trip to Bangkok and I read about possible racism in Bangkok over dark skinned fellas. I understand that ultimately money and good attitude wins but I would like to know what are some bars that I should possibly avoid and the ones that are recommended? Somebody mentioned to avoid rainbow.

I have no problem with the money that I will be spending but I do not want to be looked down upon for any reason. I am just trying to take precautions.

Senior mongers in Thailand, please suggest.

Thanks

Return to Crazy House. Lineup was even better than Sunday. Arrived at 11PM. Many good lookers. This place is already significantly better than Baccara. Faces better, bodies better. Not so much fake stuff. Okay Some mammoth enhanced tits. Many very nice naturals. Completely nude girls with shaven pussy dancing quite raunchy. Some of the pussy is looking real fine. I fancied very pretty No. 91 (not a totally nude one). Problem was she was right near bickering over the price with a younger guy with beard. He would not go high enough and she would not go low enough. In the end they kept trying and not sure if the deal finally got done.

I then decided I fancied another girl. A shy type. Cute face in an Isaan way. Not too dark despite from Buriram. Turned out she was new and just only her 5th day. Had never been with Farang and actually done it. Has a few things to learn yet of course. I might just train her up. Took a LT with her.

Ate Phat Thai on the 4th floor restaurant. Air con was a bit cold on 4th.

This place has a standard. There are no really plain or ugly girls, like there are at Baccara. The girls with fatter legs seemed to be relegated to dancing upstairs. Downstairs had almost all acceptable bodies. There was a Ladyboy or two present who may have been waitresses (not dancing as far as I know). I did not pay attention to them. BF was 700. Place was popular with both Farangs and Japanese. Naked girls wandering round the bar at times or giving lap dances.

At Suzi Wong there are a lot of girl with no good bodies and just a few nice bodies. Crazy House has a high percentage of good bodies and good faces. This makes this place a cut above the other bars. Recently I have been liking Dollhouse but CH has better lineup overall. Wasn't pestered that much by the staff either.

The problem with this place is going to be just being packed out and not enough space, very soon. Don't know how they recruited the girls but they have done darn well.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1460859]If a girl doesn't like you she doesn't like you. Just because a girl declines customers doesn't mean she isn't after money. I've seen many guys get blown off. I sure if they offered 20% over fair price the girl would still decline.[/QUOTE]Bangkok has many hookers that will not go with just anybody. They have standards. They want a nice customer that is not going to cheat them. They asses the customer. I know one girl who won't go with black guys. She said that first time sat with a black guy, the guy pinched her tits painfully and so she has struck black guys off the list. Somewhat unfair I am sure. Sure some girls only go with SE Asian customers.

Some girls are only border-line hookers, in that they do not go with guys often, only when they really like the guy a lot. Many of these do not need to make several thousand baht per day.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983;1460965]It will be my first trip to Bangkok and I read about possible racism in Bangkok over dark skinned fellas.[/QUOTE]If you present well (see below) , smell good, smile broadly, and have a wad of thousand baht notes in your pocket, you will be fine.

[b]Present Well[/b]

1. Shower before you go out.

2. Take care of that body stank. If you need a prescription strength antiperspirant, man up and buy it because you will sweat in BKK, guaranteed. Nothing like the stench of old BO to turn girls and their touts off.

3. Dress well. This does not mean jeans and a clean t-shirt. A collared shirt is preferred, and tuck it in. In the States, that is a sign of a nerd, but in BKK, it is the sign of someone with manners. In a pinch, a polo style shirt will do, but make sure it fits well and is not stretched. Jeans are ok, if they are coupled with a quality shirt. The girls often like linen, FYI.

4. Wear good shoes. No flip flops, berkenstocks, or old sneakers. This does not necessarily mean Salvatore Ferragamo or Berluti, but something classy, clean, and not worn or torn. Believe it or not, I have had girls in gogo bars look at my shoes.

5. Get a decent haircut. I can't tell you how many Indians I have seen with that old-style haircut: part on the right, straight cut across the front and back, no frills. Get a decent haircut, or else you are signaling low-class Indian. No offense to anyone with this haircut, but it is a big tell.

6. Smile a lot. If someone decides to get assholish with you, let it go and move on to the next bar. Personally, I have never once had any kind of problem related to my skin color (dark skinned, not Indian myself, but often mistaken for one). But a good attitude goes a long way.

Forgive me if it was presumptuous of me to assume that you do not already do all of this, but my point is this: if you do these things, you can overcome any perceived racism in BKK. As I say, I have never been denied entrance to a bar, ever, so I don't worry about such things. What I am concerned about is that many girls have had bad experiences with brown-skinned people in the past, and they project those experiences onto me. Kind of like Syzygies' nipple twister story.

Oh, and don't believe it when people tell you girls in BKK are ugly or too expensive. This is a wonderful place to monger.

Hey Kumbu!

Please honor us soon with the next episode in your 2013 BKK tour.

It looks like only you can save us from these tedious discussions about the psychology of bargirls.

And stay horny my friend...

Uncle-V

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya; 1460996]Hey Kumbu!

Please honor us soon with the next episode in your 2013 BKK tour.

It looks like only you can save us from these tedious discussions about the psychology of bargirls.

And stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V[/QUOTE]Hah! Uncle V, I have a special episode on its way. Sorry for the delay: real life finds a way to impede pleasure these days.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1460665]Beautiful Harold. First you say the girls are only interested in the money then a couple of days later you post that money doesn't matter to them? So which one is it?

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]His random thoughts.

It seems it depends on the girl. Surprise! Some hardened hookers are just in it for money, obviously, and would never dream of allowing themselves to enjoy. Others are needing the money badly, but can still enjoy sex, when guy is good. Others are very fussy and happy not take a guy at all, but wait for one they really fancy, and of course can enjoy it.

A guy that says working girls never enjoy, really means that they never enjoy it with him. He is not going about it in a way that appeals to them or is just treating them like a hole, or is only choosing the hardened types of girls or Porn-stars that have far too many customers.

Last night I gave a girl her first taste of Farang dick. Only had a Thai BF before. She really liked the DATY first and was then certainly in the mood for the sex. I was her first fuck as a working girl, and her Thai boyfriend disappeared some months ago. She was a very honest type of girl so I believe what she told me. She hopes to see me again tonight LOL. Needs the money badly too.

This one's for you, Uncle V.

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I awoke on Tuesday morning having slept more than any other night in the last 12: a full 6. 5 hours of sleep. I felt downright fetal in comparison to the last two weeks. The previous night had been a wash out. I had walked the streets of BKK in a futile attempt to find something special, and ended up with handfuls of nothing and the insipid taste of phantoms in my mouth. I awoke with the sound of a clock in my head, like a bomb about to go off, except this bomb was my impending departure from this wonderland that is BKK. Got to get cranking today, time is a tickin'.

I had two full days and nights left ahead of me. The days were scheduled to be full of work, and the nights needed to make up for that lost time. As a result of my bombed Monday night, I felt rested, and my pocket book was a little heavier (not finding anyone for the night meant I still had a couple of extra thousand baht to my name). So with the extra cash in my pocket and the pep in my step, things were looking good.

I dashed off to work, flirted with the office girls all day, and worked my tiny tush as hard as I could. And to my surprise and delight, we ended work a full hour earlier than scheduled. I boarded the skytrain at 4pm on my way back to the hotel, and decided to go straight to Mango. I needed a little bit of relaxation before the rigors of the evening.

I arrived at around 4:30, and a bunch of girls were outside eating. When I walked in, they all packed up and came inside, and there must have been 20 girls in that room at that point. Was this a shift change? Perhaps. I spied my little girl from the previous night, the no-name girl who sparked such a furor. I quickly scanned the mass of massage girl meat on display, and quickly opted for the same girl from the previous time. For some reason, the girls at Mango seemed to have way too much blush on their faces, it made them seem cheap and hussy-like. In fact, even my girl had this same over-done face make-up, and Kumbu no likey. But that is a minor quibble: so long as her ass came with all that blush, I am good to go.

I asked for her by name, and all the other girls rang out her name in a chorus, as if she were a superstar for being asked for by name. This time I chose just the one hour option, since I needed to get back to the hotel and freshen up for the exertions that would follow.

She smiled at me, remembered my name, and giggled as we walked up the stairs. We got into the room and she gave me a big embrace and a kiss on the lips, and said she was happy I came back and remembered her. How could I forget? I mean, this was the girl with whom I invented the new move, forever referred to as The Kumbu. I also spent an hour and a half worshiping her legs, buns and asshole. I sexed her for that period of time without even so much as touching her mouth or pussy with little Kumbu. It was very an interesting experience which was sure to bring this dog back for more.

So we showered together, nothing special, just some rigorous scrubbing and crevice cleansing. We got out and we lay out on the bed for a few moments, touching and caressing each other. She was pushing for some DFK, but I resisted, and she backed off promptly, without insult or injury. I then took charge and gently turned her onto her back, kissing her neck, her shoulders, and down to her breasts. I kissed the breasts, which were soft, clearly the breasts of someone in her early thirties. She responded with some louder-then-expected moans, which I did not particularly appreciate. But this spurred me on to move down her belly and to the beauty that lay beneath.

As expected, she smelled delicious and clean. I suppose she douched in the shower, and there was no stank to speak of. I got down slowly into her pubic hair, kissing it ever so slightly. I quickly noticed that she was short-cropped, which is my personal least favorite hair-do for the downstairs. It looks great, but talk about scruff burn: it hurts more than hell itself. I've ripped my lips up over such thorny cages before, so I am wary of such a prickly yet enticing treat. Her Bush was indeed thorny, and after just a few minutes of giving her a memorable lip-lashing, my lips were getting raw. But I persisted.

I worked her clit, which was openly visible, and her lips, which were tight and smallish, for a good 10 minutes. During this time she was moaning louder than I remember her doing last week, and it began annoying me. I mentioned this before, but I hate the fake moaning, it really puts me off. She also did this little jerky hip thrust, like all of a sudden she would jut her hip out a few inches and inhale quickly, as if she was suddenly being hit by a taser gun. This struck me as particularly fake, and it too was annoying me. After 10 minutes, I began pulling up, but she grabbed the top of my head and jammed it back in. I mean, she physically forced my head back in: I felt a little like a dildo being stuck back into her pussy.

Ok then. I guess she was enjoying this. So I persisted, and her moaning started to get louder and louder. I started to think that maybe, just maybe, this was how she actually reacts to sexual stimulation. Maybe she is naturally a groaner, and this is not really as fake as it seems. Well, hold your horses old Kumbu, let's not get ahead of ourselves here, patting ourselves on the back for no real reason. She is a WG after all, this is what she does for a living. I kept at it, but that sharp set of needles that was her pubic hair was really rubbing against my upper lip. So I slipped my left arm under her right thigh and around the other side (with her thigh in the crook of my arm) , and placed my left hand over her pubic hair, and gently pulled her public area upwards, thus pulling the top of her hood back with my palm and thereby killing two birds with one stone: I was intensifying her stimulation, while at the same time using my palm to protect my lips. Check out the brains on Kumbu!

This got her running. She lifted her hips and started a full-throated Oooooooooooooh and she held this perfect, single, unbroken, G note for a good 20 seconds. I was impressed with her operatic skills, and at the end of it there was a little shout. So it sounded a little like "Oooooooooooooo (20secondsworth) ooooooooooo-WAAAH!", at the end of which she started to buck like a fucking Charolais at the Oklahoma State Fair. I tightened my left arm so that I had a good grip on her thigh with that arm, and with my right arm, I reached underneath her now-airborn ass and grabbed a full palmful of ass flesh and squeezed tight. I now had a double-armed grip on her, one arm around her right thigh, the other around the top of her left thigh, grasping fully at the underside of her backside, all to avoid being bucked from this fiery steed. Meanwhile, I did my damndest to keep that tongue lashing at the clit, stroking rhythmically and fully, giving her all that the tongue would offer, as she climed the slopes of Climax Peak.

She burst open, metaphorically speaking, and her hips convulsed a little. She turned to the side, trying to get some distance from me, and I let her go at this point, and she started whimpering 'I want to suck you'. I kid you not, this is what she said, over and over again. It bordered on dirty talk: something that I have never heard a Thai girl do. So I obliged, but I was not done with her pussy just yet, so I flipped her over and had her sit down on my face and offered her little Kumbu for some oral pleasure. Ah yes, the beautiful view of the under carriage from beneath: is there a better image in all the universe? I think not.

So there I was, with my tongue deep within her pussy, nose squashing into her asshole, dick about to be sucked, when I realized that her asshole was wet wet wet. I mean it was dripping wet. WTF? I slowly realized the wetness was from her pussy. That is, all that DATY had produced volumes of liquids the likes of which I have rarely seen in a WG. I don't mean to pat myself on the back again, but this was real pussy juice that had dribbled all over her asshole. I kept tonguing her pussy for the next few minutes, but my attention was drained severely by the impending BBBJ she was about to give me.

Now before I tell you about this, let me preface with a little detail which is very important. Never in my life have I had a very satisfactory BJ. I just never have. Part of the problem is length. Little Kumbu is not particularly thick, but he is long, longer than usual. And because of this, girls can't really deep-throat me. Not that this is crucial, but it is something I can't get usually. The only time I ever had this was with a Lithuanian woman in an FKK in Germany several years ago, and this girl was, well, large. She was absolutely gorgeous and perfectly proportional (I reported on her in the FKK Artemis thread, if you are at all interested) , but she was perhaps 5'10" tall. And she deep-throated me like I have never been deep throated before. But no Thai girl has ever come close, for obvious dimensional reasons.

Second, little Kumbu tends to emit large quantities of pre-cum, I mean it is just a huge mess at times. And this stuff, I can imagine, is not particularly pleasant to taste, and so every BBBJ that I have ever received has been abbreviated because as gobs of this stuff fill the girls' mouths, they tend to think of ways to move on to something else. I don't blame them, but that's one of the reasons why I don't care too much about BJs: I've never had one that blew me away (pardon the pun).

So with that in mind, here is my description of the BJ she gave me. It was MAGNIFICENT. I mean simply a beauty to experience. The first thing she did was she gently took the head into the mouth and kind of just fumbled around with it a little with her tongue and lips. It reminded me a little bit of how a gangster standing on a 1930s street corner just tinkers with a coin as he eyes the passing pedestrians. She nuzzled, tinkled, and fumbled with the head like it was a gob-stopper, and it felt pretty good.

She then went deep throat on me in a way that kind of amazed me. She went down on me so hard and so suddenly that the tip of little Kumbu hit the back of her throat and she gagged a little. It was not a pleasant sound, but she was trying. She managed to get down to about an inch from the base of little Kumbu, which is further than most. But the deep throat was not what made this BBBJ special. It was what she did next which truly stood out.

She closed her lips around the shaft of little Kumbu and tightened her grip with her lips, and meanwhile, with her tongue, she did a gentle but firm set of circular motions along the underside of little Kumbu. Being this deep, this meant the entire underside of little Kumbu was being brushed deeply with the entirety of her tongue. I could feel her tongue rubbing in circles from the root to the tip, from the tip of little Kumbu almost to the base. It was a delight I shall savor for years to come. She did this for around 7 delightful seconds, and then released her lip-lock slightly, and at the same time her tongue hardened and the tip of her tongue pushed hard against the underside of little Kumbu. In a synchronized motion, she slid her mouth about a quarter inch up the shaft. Here she paused, and then repeated the whole thing again: tight lips while gently but firmly rubbing the underside of little Kumbu in craze-evoking circles, followed by a loose-lipped and tongue-tipped quarter-inch slide up the shaft. She did this in a rhythmic, metronomic yet sensuous fashion that just ignited me with buzzing, tingling sensations. My toes tingled, my solar plexus ignited, fuck, my asshole bulged too. It was a soulful, enlightening experience, the kind that I believe Buddha himself was seeking as he sat for years alone on a hilltop.

Imagine this machine slowly working its way up your shaft towards the head, with equal stimulation to the shaft as the underside, and it was slowly working towards the super sensitive underside just beneath the head. Holy Buh-Jesus, this was a great experience. So she got to the head, and did the final swirl of her tongue, and I was gasping for more. She paused to look at me, and I grinned at her like an addict grins at a pile of coke, with love and a sense of derangement. She then did the whole thing again, and I swear to you that if she had done it a third time I would have ejaculated in that poor girl's mouth with about a ton of cum, I was that hopped up.

But sadly my volumes of pre-cum put an end to that. At the end of the second cycle, she stopped to wipe the huge volumes of liquid from her mouth, and that kind of put me off. I mean, sure, it is a foul tasting effluent from a strange man's dick, but the sight of her wiping it from her mouth like it was some kind of, well, foul tasting effluent was not particularly pleasing. So I pulled out and moved on to the next act. While it ended poorly, I have to say that the technique she exhibited gets her full marks, even if the execution and commitment was somewhat lacking.

So I pulled out, she got off me, and on came the work-issued condom. I popped little Kumbu in, and away we went. I rode, rammed, hopped, humped, frolicked, skipped, slowed into a saunter, picked up pace into a canter and galloped the last quarter mile home to a standing ovation. The race was over before I knew it, and I collapsed onto her dripping with sweat and huffing like the stallion that I am not. The actual coitus was super quick, perhaps because of the delight of the preceding BBBJ, but whatever happened, it was done in a flash.

Shower, clean up, awkward dressing. 200b tip, kiss on the lips, diverted by Kumbu at the last minute to the cheek, and back downstairs. She gave me a Mango card, which a few days later embarrassingly fell out at the airport in front of five teenage Thai girls. She told me to make a booking next time to ensure better service. Ok, no intention to do so, but ok.

I walked out into the street and took a deep breath. Ah yes, that is the stench of BKK. As I inhaled the rancid air and absorbed the cacophony of traffic noises, I smelled her pussy juices in my nose and the back of my throat, and felt that dank, deep sense of being inside someone with one's mouth. Mmmm, savor that Kumbu, for it will not last forever.

My next report is from that same night, when I pounded the Leggy girl again, and I tried to teach her how to give a non-Kumbu-shredding BBBJ.

Thanks for suggestions. I do all the below that you mentioned except the dress code. In mexico and latin america, people think I am arab and that I have lot of money. Its to my advantage. In Thailand, its the opposite. How funny.

If the bar scene does not work, I always have high end escorts.

Does living in a 5 star hotel make any difference?

Also, I would monger by myself and not in group which might put me at advantage. I am wondering how my buddy indians have changed the impressions of the country! India actually is knows for friendliness, discipline and respect.

Are there any specific bars which are indian friendly? Some bars that I better avoid?

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1460995]If you present well (see below) , smell good, smile broadly, and have a wad of thousand baht notes in your pocket, you will be fine.

[b]Present Well[/b]

1. Shower before you go out.

2. Take care of that body stank. If you need a prescription strength antiperspirant, man up and buy it because you will sweat in BKK, guaranteed. Nothing like the stench of old BO to turn girls and their touts off.

3. Dress well. This does not mean jeans and a clean t-shirt. A collared shirt is preferred, and tuck it in. In the States, that is a sign of a nerd, but in BKK, it is the sign of someone with manners. In a pinch, a polo style shirt will do, but make sure it fits well and is not stretched. Jeans are ok, if they are coupled with a quality shirt. The girls often like linen, FYI.

4. Wear good shoes. No flip flops, berkenstocks, or old sneakers. This does not necessarily mean Salvatore Ferragamo or Berluti, but something classy, clean, and not worn or torn. Believe it or not, I have had girls in gogo bars look at my shoes.

5. Get a decent haircut. I can't tell you how many Indians I have seen with that old-style haircut: part on the right, straight cut across the front and back, no frills. Get a decent haircut, or else you are signaling low-class Indian. No offense to anyone with this haircut, but it is a big tell.

6. Smile a lot. If someone decides to get assholish with you, let it go and move on to the next bar. Personally, I have never once had any kind of problem related to my skin color (dark skinned, not Indian myself, but often mistaken for one). But a good attitude goes a long way.

Forgive me if it was presumptuous of me to assume that you do not already do all of this, but my point is this: if you do these things, you can overcome any perceived racism in BKK. As I say, I have never been denied entrance to a bar, ever, so I don't worry about such things. What I am concerned about is that many girls have had bad experiences with brown-skinned people in the past, and they project those experiences onto me. Kind of like Syzygies' nipple twister story.

Oh, and don't believe it when people tell you girls in BKK are ugly or too expensive. This is a wonderful place to monger.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461015]If the bar scene does not work, I always have high end escorts.

Does living in a 5 star hotel make any difference?

Are there any specific bars which are indian friendly? Some bars that I better avoid?[/QUOTE]Bar scene should work, but you're right: escorts are another option. I don't actually see the attraction of escorts myself, but to each his own.

Staying somewhere nice helps with the girls attitude. They like being in nice places, and they tend to relax when surrounded by opulence. So yes, it does help in that way.

I can't suggest specific places to go to or to avoid, since I have never been denied entrance (others may have some more useful advice, however). All the Rainbows have worked fine for me, Bacarra too, and all the other Soi Cowboy and NEP gogo bars. If you read my past reports, you will see that I have been successful at nightclubs too. Don't let your complexion bother you: your attitude and overall image more than outweigh it.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1460995]3. Dress well. This does not mean jeans and a clean t-shirt. A collared shirt is preferred, and tuck it in. In the States, that is a sign of a nerd, but in BKK, it is the sign of someone with manners. In a pinch, a polo style shirt will do, but make sure it fits well and is not stretched. Jeans are ok, if they are coupled with a quality shirt. The girls often like linen, FYI.[/QUOTE]Mostly good advice except for tucking the shirt in. Bangkok is hot and sticky and tucking the shirt in is not that practical. Added to that some Thai girls will say it looks nerdy or overly official. Untucked is more casual. My Thai GF will not tolerate me tucking the shirt in. She thinks it is not "cool" at all. Its not because of a big belly or anything. I am quite trim or skinny these days.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983;1461015]Does living in a 5 star hotel make any difference?[/QUOTE]I don't think a 5 star Hotel makes a huge difference if you are stingy with what you pay the girl. Then the girl will be angry and wondering why you waste so much money on the Hotel. If you are generous to her as well, then the great Hotel may add to her experience. I know certain girls were impressed by the Marriott and really liked it for example.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1461012]This one's for you, Uncle V.

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I awoke on Tuesday morning having slept more than any other night in the last 12: a full 6. 5 hours of sleep. I felt downright fetal in comparison to the last two weeks. The previous night had been a wash out. I had walked the streets of BKK in a futile attempt to find something special, and ended up with handfuls of nothing and the insipid taste of phantoms in my mouth. I awoke with the sound of a clock in my head, like a bomb about to go off, except this bomb was my impending departure from this wonderland that is BKK. Got to get cranking today, time is a tickin'.

I had two full days and nights left ahead of me. The days were scheduled to be full of work, and the nights needed to make up for that lost time. As a result of my bombed Monday night, I felt rested, and my pocket book was a little heavier (not finding anyone for the night meant I still had a couple of extra thousand baht to my name). So with the extra cash in my pocket and the pep in my step, things were looking good.

I dashed off to work, flirted with the office girls all day, and worked my tiny tush as hard as I could. And to my surprise and delight, we ended work a full hour earlier than scheduled. I boarded the skytrain at 4pm on my way back to the hotel, and decided to go straight to Mango. I needed a little bit of relaxation before the rigors of the evening.

I arrived at around 4:30, and a bunch of girls were outside eating. When I walked in, they all packed up and came inside, and there must have been 20 girls in that room at that point. Was this a shift change? Perhaps. I spied my little girl from the previous night, the no-name girl who sparked such a furor. I quickly scanned the mass of massage girl meat on display, and quickly opted for the same girl from the previous time. For some reason, the girls at Mango seemed to have way too much blush on their faces, it made them seem cheap and hussy-like. In fact, even my girl had this same over-done face make-up, and Kumbu no likey. But that is a minor quibble: so long as her ass came with all that blush, I am good to go.

I asked for her by name, and all the other girls rang out her name in a chorus, as if she were a superstar for being asked for by name. This time I chose just the one hour option, since I needed to get back to the hotel and freshen up for the exertions that would follow.

She smiled at me, remembered my name, and giggled as we walked up the stairs. We got into the room and she gave me a big embrace and a kiss on the lips, and said she was happy I came back and remembered her. How could I forget? I mean, this was the girl with whom I invented the new move, forever referred to as The Kumbu. I also spent an hour and a half worshiping her legs, buns and asshole. I sexed her for that period of time without even so much as touching her mouth or pussy with little Kumbu. It was very an interesting experience which was sure to bring this dog back for more.

So we showered together, nothing special, just some rigorous scrubbing and crevice cleansing. We got out and we lay out on the bed for a few moments, touching and caressing each other. She was pushing for some DFK, but I resisted, and she backed off promptly, without insult or injury. I then took charge and gently turned her onto her back, kissing her neck, her shoulders, and down to her breasts. I kissed the breasts, which were soft, clearly the breasts of someone in her early thirties. She responded with some louder-then-expected moans, which I did not particularly appreciate. But this spurred me on to move down her belly and to the beauty that lay beneath.

As expected, she smelled delicious and clean. I suppose she douched in the shower, and there was no stank to speak of. I got down slowly into her pubic hair, kissing it ever so slightly. I quickly noticed that she was short-cropped, which is my personal least favorite hair-do for the downstairs. It looks great, but talk about scruff burn: it hurts more than hell itself. I've ripped my lips up over such thorny cages before, so I am wary of such a prickly yet enticing treat. Her Bush was indeed thorny, and after just a few minutes of giving her a memorable lip-lashing, my lips were getting raw. But I persisted.

I worked her clit, which was openly visible, and her lips, which were tight and smallish, for a good 10 minutes. During this time she was moaning louder than I remember her doing last week, and it began annoying me. I mentioned this before, but I hate the fake moaning, it really puts me off. She also did this little jerky hip thrust, like all of a sudden she would jut her hip out a few inches and inhale quickly, as if she was suddenly being hit by a taser gun. This struck me as particularly fake, and it too was annoying me. After 10 minutes, I began pulling up, but she grabbed the top of my head and jammed it back in. I mean, she physically forced my head back in: I felt a little like a dildo being stuck back into her pussy.

Ok then. I guess she was enjoying this. So I persisted, and her moaning started to get louder and louder. I started to think that maybe, just maybe, this was how she actually reacts to sexual stimulation. Maybe she is naturally a groaner, and this is not really as fake as it seems. Well, hold your horses old Kumbu, let's not get ahead of ourselves here, patting ourselves on the back for no real reason. She is a WG after all, this is what she does for a living. I kept at it, but that sharp set of needles that was her pubic hair was really rubbing against my upper lip. So I slipped my left arm under her right thigh and around the other side (with her thigh in the crook of my arm) , and placed my left hand over her pubic hair, and gently pulled her public area upwards, thus pulling the top of her hood back with my palm and thereby killing two birds with one stone: I was intensifying her stimulation, while at the same time using my palm to protect my lips. Check out the brains on Kumbu!

This got her running. She lifted her hips and started a full-throated Oooooooooooooh and she held this perfect, single, unbroken, G note for a good 20 seconds. I was impressed with her operatic skills, and at the end of it there was a little shout. So it sounded a little like "Oooooooooooooo (20secondsworth) ooooooooooo-WAAAH!", at the end of which she started to buck like a fucking Charolais at the Oklahoma State Fair. I tightened my left arm so that I had a good grip on her thigh with that arm, and with my right arm, I reached underneath her now-airborn ass and grabbed a full palmful of ass flesh and squeezed tight. I now had a double-armed grip on her, one arm around her right thigh, the other around the top of her left thigh, grasping fully at the underside of her backside, all to avoid being bucked from this fiery steed. Meanwhile, I did my damndest to keep that tongue lashing at the clit, stroking rhythmically and fully, giving her all that the tongue would offer, as she climed the slopes of Climax Peak.

She burst open, metaphorically speaking, and her hips convulsed a little. She turned to the side, trying to get some distance from me, and I let her go at this point, and she started whimpering 'I want to suck you'. I kid you not, this is what she said, over and over again. It bordered on dirty talk: something that I have never heard a Thai girl do. So I obliged, but I was not done with her pussy just yet, so I flipped her over and had her sit down on my face and offered her little Kumbu for some oral pleasure. Ah yes, the beautiful view of the under carriage from beneath: is there a better image in all the universe? I think not.

So there I was, with my tongue deep within her pussy, nose squashing into her asshole, dick about to be sucked, when I realized that her asshole was wet wet wet. I mean it was dripping wet. WTF? I slowly realized the wetness was from her pussy. That is, all that DATY had produced volumes of liquids the likes of which I have rarely seen in a WG. I don't mean to pat myself on the back again, but this was real pussy juice that had dribbled all over her asshole. I kept tonguing her pussy for the next few minutes, but my attention was drained severely by the impending BBBJ she was about to give me.

Now before I tell you about this, let me preface with a little detail which is very important. Never in my life have I had a very satisfactory BJ. I just never have. Part of the problem is length. Little Kumbu is not particularly thick, but he is long, longer than usual. And because of this, girls can't really deep-throat me. Not that this is crucial, but it is something I can't get usually. The only time I ever had this was with a Lithuanian woman in an FKK in Germany several years ago, and this girl was, well, large. She was absolutely gorgeous and perfectly proportional (I reported on her in the FKK Artemis thread, if you are at all interested) , but she was perhaps 5'10" tall. And she deep-throated me like I have never been deep throated before. But no Thai girl has ever come close, for obvious dimensional reasons.

Second, little Kumbu tends to emit large quantities of pre-cum, I mean it is just a huge mess at times. And this stuff, I can imagine, is not particularly pleasant to taste, and so every BBBJ that I have ever received has been abbreviated because as gobs of this stuff fill the girls' mouths, they tend to think of ways to move on to something else. I don't blame them, but that's one of the reasons why I don't care too much about BJs: I've never had one that blew me away (pardon the pun).

So with that in mind, here is my description of the BJ she gave me. It was MAGNIFICENT. I mean simply a beauty to experience. The first thing she did was she gently took the head into the mouth and kind of just fumbled around with it a little with her tongue and lips. It reminded me a little bit of how a gangster standing on a 1930s street corner just tinkers with a coin as he eyes the passing pedestrians. She nuzzled, tinkled, and fumbled with the head like it was a gob-stopper, and it felt pretty good.

She then went deep throat on me in a way that kind of amazed me. She went down on me so hard and so suddenly that the tip of little Kumbu hit the back of her throat and she gagged a little. It was not a pleasant sound, but she was trying. She managed to get down to about an inch from the base of little Kumbu, which is further than most. But the deep throat was not what made this BBBJ special. It was what she did next which truly stood out.

She closed her lips around the shaft of little Kumbu and tightened her grip with her lips, and meanwhile, with her tongue, she did a gentle but firm set of circular motions along the underside of little Kumbu. Being this deep, this meant the entire underside of little Kumbu was being brushed deeply with the entirety of her tongue. I could feel her tongue rubbing in circles from the root to the tip, from the tip of little Kumbu almost to the base. It was a delight I shall savor for years to come. She did this for around 7 delightful seconds, and then released her lip-lock slightly, and at the same time her tongue hardened and the tip of her tongue pushed hard against the underside of little Kumbu. In a synchronized motion, she slid her mouth about a quarter inch up the shaft. Here she paused, and then repeated the whole thing again: tight lips while gently but firmly rubbing the underside of little Kumbu in craze-evoking circles, followed by a loose-lipped and tongue-tipped quarter-inch slide up the shaft. She did this in a rhythmic, metronomic yet sensuous fashion that just ignited me with buzzing, tingling sensations. My toes tingled, my solar plexus ignited, fuck, my asshole bulged too. It was a soulful, enlightening experience, the kind that I believe Buddha himself was seeking as he sat for years alone on a hilltop.

Imagine this machine slowly working its way up your shaft towards the head, with equal stimulation to the shaft as the underside, and it was slowly working towards the super sensitive underside just beneath the head. Holy Buh-Jesus, this was a great experience. So she got to the head, and did the final swirl of her tongue, and I was gasping for more. She paused to look at me, and I grinned at her like an addict grins at a pile of coke, with love and a sense of derangement. She then did the whole thing again, and I swear to you that if she had done it a third time I would have ejaculated in that poor girl's mouth with about a ton of cum, I was that hopped up.

But sadly my volumes of pre-cum put an end to that. At the end of the second cycle, she stopped to wipe the huge volumes of liquid from her mouth, and that kind of put me off. I mean, sure, it is a foul tasting effluent from a strange man's dick, but the sight of her wiping it from her mouth like it was some kind of, well, foul tasting effluent was not particularly pleasing. So I pulled out and moved on to the next act. While it ended poorly, I have to say that the technique she exhibited gets her full marks, even if the execution and commitment was somewhat lacking.

So I pulled out, she got off me, and on came the work-issued condom. I popped little Kumbu in, and away we went. I rode, rammed, hopped, humped, frolicked, skipped, slowed into a saunter, picked up pace into a canter and galloped the last quarter mile home to a standing ovation. The race was over before I knew it, and I collapsed onto her dripping with sweat and huffing like the stallion that I am not. The actual coitus was super quick, perhaps because of the delight of the preceding BBBJ, but whatever happened, it was done in a flash.

Shower, clean up, awkward dressing. 200b tip, kiss on the lips, diverted by Kumbu at the last minute to the cheek, and back downstairs. She gave me a Mango card, which a few days later embarrassingly fell out at the airport in front of five teenage Thai girls. She told me to make a booking next time to ensure better service. Ok, no intention to do so, but ok.

I walked out into the street and took a deep breath. Ah yes, that is the stench of BKK. As I inhaled the rancid air and absorbed the cacophony of traffic noises, I smelled her pussy juices in my nose and the back of my throat, and felt that dank, deep sense of being inside someone with one's mouth. Mmmm, savor that Kumbu, for it will not last forever.

My next report is from that same night, when I pounded the Leggy girl again, and I tried to teach her how to give a non-Kumbu-shredding BBBJ.[/QUOTE]Again, nice story, but really of little help to us here on the forum without the name of the provider. So who was the gal?

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1461012]200b tip.[/QUOTE]Let me guess, this one was remarkably eloquent and articulate also? I don't actually read your posts but was looking for numbers and seems my advice will help you save lots of money throughout your lifetime. I am the one you should be tipping with a paid membership but I didn't lie and play you like your hooker so you will not. My advice is to not follow most guys advice because most guy's are suckers. In my country, they work their whole life to support a woman that gives them sex once a week without oral and then takes half of his lifetime earnings when he doesn't do the dishes once. This attitude translates to paid sex too, where they also get played.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461015]Does living in a 5 star hotel make any difference?

Also, I would monger by myself and not in group which might put me at advantage. I am wondering how my buddy indians have changed the impressions of the country! India actually is knows for friendliness, discipline and respect.

Are there any specific bars which are indian friendly? Some bars that I better avoid?[/QUOTE]It could either help or hurt, depending on the girl's frame of mind. On one hand, she might be impressed that you're able to afford such a swank place. On the other hand, she might fear staying in a 5 star hotel would enable you to hide more of your homies for the group discount.....

[QUOTE=Nsd1983;1461015]Also, I would monger by myself and not in group which might put me at advantage. I am wondering how my buddy indians have changed the impressions of the country! India actually is knows for friendliness, discipline and respect[/QUOTE]In looks close to Indians though not. Specially the girls near Grace or the streets even some girls from bar asking me I Indian and I alone or not. Every time I assured them not Indian and alone. LOL. The story was common to hear that the Indians comes on numbers. Even some one alone, later on in the room found they are not. It's scary for the girls (Sorry, not offending to anyone).

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1461012]My toes tingled, my solar plexus ignited, fuck, my asshole bulged too. It was a soulful, enlightening experience, the kind that I believe Buddha himself was seeking as he sat for years alone on a hilltop.[/QUOTE]Amazing prose, as always Kumbu. You are truly a master of your craft.

You almost make me want to go back to my bad old ways. (This girl I am trying to be faithful to better be worth it!)

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1460995.]
3. Dress well. This does not mean jeans and a clean t-shirt. A collared shirt is preferred, and tuck it in. In the States, that is a sign of a nerd, but in BKK, it is the sign of someone with manners.[/QUOTE]Ah, this has all the signs of the start of a holy "shirt" war!

Some guidelines can be found here: [url]https://ardenreed.com/blog/to-tuck-or-not-to-tuck-mens-shirt-guidelines/[/url]

It seems it all depends on how "casual" the other elements of your clothes are and the type of the shirt and the length of the shirt-tails. One rule I find easy to follow is this: when the bottom of the shirt is cut straight, wear it untucked, when it really has shirttails (especially when they hang lower than about one hand-span below your belt) , wear it tucked. Anything in between can go both ways.

And here is a nice way to tuck it in: [url]http://agoodman.com.au/how-to-tuck-in-a-shirt-so-that-it-stays-tucked/[/url]

Go ahead and tuck your shirts in if you want to look like Steve Urkel LOL

Kumbu I mostly agree in your writing and I guess it is not the end of the world if you commit a shirt tuck in. But as goes for the ladies they don't like it one bit (I guess worldwide) and you also state so yourself. It looks nerdy. This does not change in Thailand it is still nerdy. I have various sources claiming the oposite so in my book a shirt should hang loose. For the use of a suite and tie other rules applies ofcourse. So for shirts, polos, t-shirts hang loose no tuck, hehe.

Funny you should mention Salvatore Ferragamo. Love this brand.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1461093]Ah, this has all the signs of the start of a holy "shirt" war!

Some guidelines can be found here:

[url]https://ardenreed.com/blog/to-tuck-or-not-to-tuck-mens-shirt-guidelines/[/url]

[/url][/QUOTE]Of course if we all got really bored, we could start with the socks / no socks look too. LOL

[QUOTE=Pimpa;1460941]I totally agree. At Thermae there are a lot of girls who decline farang. It is useless offering more than the standart rate. They don't even look at a farang standing a meter in front of them.[/QUOTE]You need to:

1. Offer more money.

2. Take it out of wherever it is & show it to them all.

3. Use it like a portable do it yourself fan.

4. Get closer & wave it in their face.

5. Make sure they see how many bills you have & the denominations.

6. Slowly count it within a meter from the girl.

7. Go from girl to girl in the whole lineup doing this.

8. Buy them all drinks & get them so pissed they can barely walk.

9. Sing them a Thai love song.

10. Offer a lift to your 5 star hotel in the limo waiting outside.

Works for me.

Untucked shirt is the typical look of Indian guys. Walk the streets of Mumbai, Delhi or Bangalore and you know why Kumbu advised that guy to tuck in his shirt. I hope that doesn't sound too rude as I know the clothing style of my countrymen while on vacation in Thailand is even worse.

While there are certainly situations in which an untucked shirt perfectly suits and it may look great on any young, sporty and handsome guy I would suggest tucked in shirts for most of us. If in the mood for a more casual loook I would wear a polo (this has to go untucked of course).

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1460302]You are right about that one TH. Last week me, my father, and my brother were at a disco. There was a smoking hot chick at the table next to ours and I knew a couple of her friends. I called one of the girls that I knew over and told them that I wanted to get with the girl. She told me that the girl liked my brother, but one of the other girls at the table liked me. I said fuck that. Tell her that I want her. She went to talk to the girl and came back over and said she will go with you for 2000. I said to tell her no thank you and good luck. She ended up going with my brother for the usual 1000.[/QUOTE]How do people get smoking hot chicks for only 1000B? Free agent girl told me 1500 for short time and she was not smoking hot but must be because of my bald head.

Gentlemen,

My advice to tuck was to this one individual and his individual concerns. It was never intended to generalize to the whole of mongerdom. I wholly agree that the tuck is not for all people, and indeed not for most people. However, if you are whiter than the driven snow, you operate in a slightly different world than others. The white man still commands some respect, despite what some on this board claim about the Japanese having taken over. If you do not possess that complexion, you must do certain things to compensate for that lack of respect; the lack of respect that derives from a perception of racial discrimination. A shirt tuck, while nerdy and excessive to most, does the trick for me. I hate having to do it: it makes me feel preppy and uptight. But it does give me a preppy look, which is non-threatening, and different enough from the other people of my complexion who have earned Brown a bad reputation.

I apologize for (inadvertently) starting this discussion because ultimately, I think the OP could go either way: with or without the tuck. Let's hope that is the end of this particular discussion.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1461030]Again, nice story, but really of little help to us here on the forum without the name of the provider. So who was the gal?[/QUOTE]You quoted Kumbu's full report to ask a two line question. Have a heart for those trying to read the forum on tablets or smart phones.

Slim

Not sure how the rest of the community feels about it, but I think there should be a separate thread for "Stories;" stories being exploits where the name of the gal is not revealed. Personally, I find these long exegeses to be entertaining, but would rather see them in another context. I think it is great that dudes want to have their experiences validated, but in there is a place for this and IMHO the Bangkok Forum and especially the MP forums are not the place. These forums are for us to share information on gals and ask questions, not to revel in our exploits while in one way thumbing our noses at the other posters.

Good gals will get busy whether you share the info or not. Good for them. A quick shower and she is as good as new.

Another thread will give guys who want to do this an outlet and save time for those of us who don't want to wade through posts on how great a gal is, only to be disappointed that the dude writing it thinks that sharing the name is a problem.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1461206]Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Just managing to inclose the word 'exegese' into a generally sub-literate thread commands my respect!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1461206]Another thread will give guys who want to do this an outlet and save time for those of us who don't want to wade through posts on how great a gal is, only to be disappointed that the dude writing it thinks that sharing the name is a problem.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Actually I go along with this idea. It creates a distinction between reports with info on the ladies identity which we can then partake of and anonymous reports where you know before reading there will be no identification. We could call it "Anonymous provider thread".

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1461206]Not sure how the rest of the community feels about it, but I think there should be a separate thread for "Stories;" stories being exploits where the name of the gal is not revealed. Personally, I find these long exegeses to be entertaining, but would rather see them in another context. I think it is great that dudes want to have their experiences validated, but in there is a place for this and IMHO the Bangkok Forum and especially the MP forums are not the place. These forums are for us to share information on gals and ask questions, not to revel in our exploits while in one way thumbing our noses at the other posters.

Good gals will get busy whether you share the info or not. Good for them. A quick shower and she is as good as new.

Another thread will give guys who want to do this an outlet and save time for those of us who don't want to wade through posts on how great a gal is, only to be disappointed that the dude writing it thinks that sharing the name is a problem.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I think its enough that he told us where he found the girl. I mean, we also have to expend some effort as well. Do we also expect him to screw the girl for us too?

Though I guess, in a way, this is what Kumbu is doing with his great descriptions. LOL.

I enjoy Kumbu's prose and his take on the philosophy of our hobby. His posts break the (often mindnumbing) monotony of some of the discussions here.

Stay Horny Kumbu and keep posting your adventures!

Uncle-V

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya; 1461247]I think its enough that he told us where he found the girl. I mean, we also have to expend some effort as well. Do we also expect him to screw the girl for us too?

Though I guess, in a way, this is what Kumbu is doing with his great descriptions. LOL.

I enjoy Kumbu's prose and his take on the philosophy of our hobby. His posts break the (often mindnumbing) monotony of some of the discussions here.

Stay Horny Kumbu and keep posting your adventures!

Uncle-V[/QUOTE]There are some who only think a report or post is any good without the name(s) of the lady(ies) involved. To me that adds nothing and I am more delighted that Kumbu.

Is breaking into the old timers' one line comments which must be boring to them and are certainly boring to newcomers.

There is no need to blazen the name of the lady involved across the post; enough that Kumbu had fun.

Every time I land in BKK I wear shorts / Tshirts / Sandals while going around unless I am going to a nice place. The point is, it does not matter what you wear as long as it is decent. Its how you project confidence in what you wear. The WGs gives a rats ass what you wear as long as you don't look like a hobo. When I first landed on BKK scene back in the late 90s, Indians were not looked upon as they are today. The big push for Indian tourists have brought a new set of Indian a*les who come from rich background but no ethics, morals or decency. That has been the reason for the hate scene for Indians.

Tips.

Smelling good and having a clean body is essential. I have met some Indians who stink to high heaven and you can smell them half a mile away.

Respect and treat them as you would want yourselves to be treated. They are people too.

Throwing money around only attracts the low life who is out to rob you. (It doesn't matter what country you are in). Stay in a decent hotel. Does not have to bbe a five star.

Don't bargain like an el cheapo Indian. If you can't afford it move away. They will negotiate if they like you. Make an counter offer if you want but don't haggle. You get what you pay for. You can get the feel for rates on these pages. Ultimately how much you pay depends on how much it was worth to you.

Escorts are expensive and doesn't guarantee a great time.

Give a decent tip at the end of session if the girl deserves it. Jaidee is a term that comes to mind.

When they ask where you are from, say Mui Americano. The attitude changes.

Don't go looking for Indians, Africans, Russians etc. These are the dregs from the countries they come from. If yo want them, go to Germany and the FKK clubs. Money spent there is worth every euro.

Learn a little Thai. Most girls have a smattering of english and if you can converse with them a little bit it makes the experience much better.

There are other tips, but this should get you started. You will learn as you go along. Have fun and enjoy.

With all due respect to the 'do not name her' or to the 'name her' or to the 'tuck' or 'not tuck' crowd. By any chance was her name Lek. Yes, I know, every other Thai female is either named Nok or Lek or Noi or. I have made Crazy House my regular hit up place and have been in there five nights running. When I was there, in one of my nights, I met up with a little thing from Buriram, named Lek and she said it was her second night working. Which mathematically matches your 5th night encounter. Just a curiosity bit is all. I did NOT take her out. I was fixated on one from upstairs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1460974]Return to Crazy House. SNIPPED.

I then decided I fancied another girl. A shy type. Cute face in an Isaan way. Not too dark despite from Buriram. Turned out she was new and just only her 5th day. Had never been with Farang and actually done it. Has a few things to learn yet of course. I might just train her up. Took a LT with her.

SNIPPED[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nullnull; 1461149]Untucked shirt is the typical look of Indian guys. Walk the streets of Mumbai, Delhi or Bangalore and you know why Kumbu advised that guy to tuck in his shirt. I hope that doesn't sound too rude as I know the clothing style of my countrymen while on vacation in Thailand is even worse.

While there are certainly situations in which an untucked shirt perfectly suits and it may look great on any young, sporty and handsome guy I would suggest tucked in shirts for most of us. If in the mood for a more casual loook I would wear a polo (this has to go untucked of course).[/QUOTE]I living here and always in shorts, not swim trucks, have my shirts tucked out all the time just can't seem to tuck them in unless it is with a long pants. Not sure of the look but it looks fine by me as long as the shirt isn't too large on the person and of course if the shirt and pants short or long is clean and pressed nicely never had anyone complain to me.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1461312]I living here and always in shorts, not swim trucks, have my shirts tucked out all the time just can't seem to tuck them in unless it is with a long pants. Not sure of the look but it looks fine by me as long as the shirt isn't too large on the person and of course if the shirt and pants short or long is clean and pressed nicely never had anyone complain to me.

LBM[/QUOTE]But how you wear it (Except sleeveless T-shirts which are a complete no-no.)

It has to be clean, pressed and smart but most Thai WGs are looking for the bulge of your wallet and the interest in your eyes rather than what you are wearing.

[QUOTE=Uncle Volodya;1461247]I think its enough that he told us where he found the girl. I mean, we also have to expend some effort as well. Do we also expect him to screw the girl for us too?[/QUOTE]I do expend effort, and when I post about an experience with a new gal, I share the name, good or bad. Again, there is a place for everything and I said so in my original post. Want to read stories without names like the old Penthouse forum? Fine, create a thread for it. Want to post useful information about mongering in BKK, post in the BKK and MP threads.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1461347]I do expend effort, and when I post about an experience with a new gal, I share the name, good or bad. Again, there is a place for everything and I said so in my original post. Want to read stories without names like the old Penthouse forum? Fine, create a thread for it. Want to post useful information about mongering in BKK, post in the BKK and MP threads.[/QUOTE]But I defend anyone's right not to name the WG. Useful information is knowing good places and those that overall offer good service. But it is most unlikely that any WG I enjoy would enjoy being with you.

Unless you are determined to only go for PSE and ram the hell out of a WG with no concern for her, what suits me won't hit you.

So go for the maximum information about the place and leave us to find a compatible WG.

Bluntly I don't want Wei, Nei and Noo whom everyone else on here has rammed.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1461355]But I defend anyone's right not to name the WG. Useful information is knowing good places and those that overall offer good service. But it is most unlikely that any WG I enjoy would enjoy being with you.

Unless you are determined to only go for PSE and ram the hell out of a WG with no concern for her, what suits me won't hit you.

So go for the maximum information about the place and leave us to find a compatible WG.

Bluntly I don't want Wei, Nei and Noo whom everyone else on here has rammed.[/QUOTE]Dude, with all due respect. Most working girls see a lot of action. If you think you are "special" then you need to think again. They are everyone's dates. Again, a quick shower and she is good as new.

Places don't offer good service, so the place is only of importance because specific women are there. Some women at certain places do and some women at the same places don't and that is why a majority of guys read this forum.

That is not to say that most of us don't treat them well and respect their limits.

Your statement about a WG that you enjoy would not enjoy being with me (although I have no idea why you would make that statement) proves my point. Reporting on gals, telling what they do and don't do, and naming them is a great service to the gal and to the punter both. Keeps guys that are not compatible with them away. Really man, there should be no egos that need feeding here. No need to prove that "you got game." If guys want to play that game then why P4P? I just don't get it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1461380]Dude, with all due respect. Most working girls see a lot of action. If you think you are "special" then you need to think again. They are everyone's dates. Again, a quick shower and she is good as new.

Places don't offer good service, so the place is only of importance because specific women are there. Some women at certain places do and some women at the same places don't and that is why a majority of guys read this forum.

That is not to say that most of us don't treat them well and respect their limits.

Your statement about a WG that you enjoy would not enjoy being with me (although I have no idea why you would make that statement) proves my point. Reporting on gals, telling what they do and don't do, and naming them is a great service to the gal and to the punter both. Keeps guys that are not compatible with them away. Really man, there should be no egos that need feeding here. No need to prove that "you got game." If guys want to play that game then why P4P? I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]I agree that many / most WGs see a lot of action but that does not mean they cannot be they cannot be treated with respect. And plastering details of your f*ck with a particular girl all over ISG cannot be regarded as treating her with respect. It is down right insulting.

In stating you would not enjoy my choice, and vice versa I was stating the obvious. The girls you f*ck may well not appeal to me and vice versa.

I will continue to believe that naming the WG is just another example of bad manners and lack of respect.

I am just amazed by so many responses of the fellow mongers. I appreciate all the inputs.

Hopefully I will have a great experience. This will be my first time in BKK and the thread is so huge that I am lost about what information I need. But I will do my home work. If the girls speak any english, they would come to know that I am an american by my accent. I also know very little hindi.

I think I am going to stay with jeans and some nice t shirts untucked. If I wear any formal shirt then offcourse it goes tucked. I will get some nice shoes preferably black formals.

Money is already there. Now I need to chose a great hotel chica friendly preferably 5 star near to the mongering areas.

I will definitely now visit rainbow just to compete with fellow japanese folks. LOL. I do love asian japanese and korean women.

Another way to beat the discrimination is to monger with a fellow gringo or a japanese. Too bad my buddy gringos here in USA can't make it. If I knew this earlier, I would have definitely convinced one or two to join me.

My next homework would be to study some of the Thailand scams just for precaution. Offcourse no casino, drugs, threesome or booze to stupor.

On my way out of Rainbow 4 last night I did see the main door guy tell 3 Indian looking guys to move on. They do let Hells Angels types and hooligan in so I was kind of surprised.

I see Indians in Baccara all the time. And often smell them as they walk by. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461477]Another way to beat the discrimination is to monger with a fellow gringo or a japanese. Too bad my buddy gringos here in USA can't make it. If I knew this earlier, I would have definitely convinced one or two to join me.

My next homework would be to study some of the Thailand scams just for precaution. Offcourse no casino, drugs, threesome or booze to stupor.[/QUOTE]I think if you are American born Indian, you will be fine. Sure, there might be some discrimination based on your skin color / ethnicity. As an older overweight white man, I've had my share of rejections. Just remember, there is always more out there. The biggest issue I've seen with Indians is there attempt at group discounts. Four or five guys surround a SW and try to negotiate a price for her to do all guys. (There was a great article in the paper I saw where a single Pattaya Beach Road freelancer drugged five guys in their hotel room and robbed them. That takes balls!)

With respect to travelling with others, I find I do much better solo than with others. Sometimes I walk into an establishment, look around and if nothing I like, I will walk out. However, if you with others, one or two might see something they like forcing you to endure a wasted hour or so. But if I'm not out looking to find a woman for the night, I have no problem hanging with the guys, but then it becomes more of a drinking night than anything.

You will have fun for sure. Just make sure you remember, there's always another woman elsewhere if you encounter something you don't like.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1461485]On my way out of Rainbow 4 last night I did see the main door guy tell 3 Indian looking guys to move on.[/QUOTE]One night while I was sitting outside of Rainbow 4 on the veranda smoking a Cohiba Mini and talking to a Rainbow 4 girl I know there, we saw this well dressed and apparently affluent young Indian guy approach the front door. The bouncer denied the Indian entry as is the policy of Rainbow 4. Now here is the interesting part of this short interaction that impressed me and why I still remember it: the Indian guy paused for only a split second, long enough to look the bouncer straight in the eye, then showing absolutely no emotion, he walked on. It was a classy move on the Indian's part. It conveyed a totally superior attitude. It said, I can't be bothered by the actions of a low class Thai bouncer or the discriminatory policy of a BKK Go Go bar. And that was that.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1461420]I will continue to believe that naming the WG is just another example of bad manners and lack of respect.[/QUOTE]You take the respect too far. You want to consider the best interests of the girl too. Would she like her name mentioned? If so, why not? How did Aor #24 at Annies feel about my detailed writeup? She was pleased (very pleased) to get the publicity and extra business. Girls can be very happy with any assist to get them to superstar status. Most girls, of course, are not reading the ISG directly.

I have told girls about writing about them and no backlash. They still like me. I do decide though which ones might prefer to be not named, if they are shy and new to it all.

Most girls are well aware they can and will be written about. This may motivate them to put in their best performance.

Its not like we publish the girl's real full name. Only nicknames (that are very common) and also special working names.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1461524]You got to watch out for the backlash from your little jokes LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, this forum needs more sobriety.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1461420]I will continue to believe that naming the WG is just another example of bad manners and lack of respect.[/QUOTE]There are two angles on this (in whatever order you want them) : First is the forum, to which reports without names contribute some entertainment and atmosphere but little information. There certainly is a place for them, especially if they're well written. But based on them alone, the board would soon become boring. As others said, the venues sually don't mean much, P4P is a personal kind of service and depends on the individual provider (and then still YMMV). Second is the girl, who obviously works in the trade to earn some THB. That requires customers. So if ISG brings her customers, she'll be happy (not about every single one of them but in principle). As Syzygies wrote, not too few of them appreciate positive publicity and mind you, they don't use their real names and so there's no danger of being publicly exposed. Candid pictures with faces not blurred are a different story and I wouldn't do that without explicit permission from the girl.

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1461288]By any chance was her name Lek. Yes, I know, every other Thai female is either named Nok or Lek or Noi or. I have made Crazy House my regular hit up place and have been in there five nights running. When I was there, in one of my nights, I met up with a little thing from Buriram, named Lek and she said it was her second night working. Which mathematically matches your 5th night encounter. Just a curiosity bit is all. I did NOT take her out. I was fixated on one from upstairs.[/QUOTE]No my girl was not called Lek. There is more than one from Buriram. My girl does not wear a number so I don't even know what her number is. Were you the one I saw last night, looking like a young Scott Glenn, with the Ding Dong crazy dancer? LOL. She has very nice tit job. 30K for Collagen tits that look 95% real. Only very faintly suspicious. Not at all like the obvious silicone jobs.

The problem in Baccara is most of the plastic surgery looks too unnatural. Ridiculous looking tits, for example!

Apparently the method used by Crazy House to get the lookers is simple. Pay a high monthly salary. The nude dancers are getting 18K per month and the dancers with revealing outfits get 8K. Fines are high though if girl does not show up to work.

Having a core group of lookers attracts the customers, and then bar is busy, and this helps attract more girls. Last night many of the lookers got BFed very early in the evening. It was busy. Both Japanese and Farangs.

I was very impressed by beauty of No. 91. She gets barfined for ST frequently. Apparently no LT (has Thai BF). She apparently has a nose job but it is one of the few very professional ones that look really good. Not sure why such young working girls want to be stuck with a Thai BF.

Be careful. Many girls are rather young!

Last night I was teaching my newbie girl BBBJ techniques and she is learning fast. Was quite good without being deep throat. Many things to teach her, like how she must tell the customer what time she needs to go home by when doing LT so he has plenty of time to get his morning pop. Today she was happy to stay till after B / F given a small extra tip. Her family has significant debts which is why she needs the money and has had to work in the bar to get it more quickly. Also has a young child to support. She is a girl of good character but has a lot to learn. Like one day a customer got her drunk (normally she does not drink at all) and ended up all her money was stolen (not by the customer). Very normal scenario, so girls must learn not to get drunk even when customer wants to buy them many tequilas.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1461420]I will continue to believe that naming the WG is just another example of bad manners and lack of respect.[/QUOTE]I think I'm going to tell my friend who owns a restaurant that out of respect for him I'm just going to tell people there is a great restaurant in town, describe the delicious food, but not tell anyone the name or location. Bet he'll love that!

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1461355]But I defend anyone's right not to name the WG. Useful information is knowing good places and those that overall offer good service. But it is most unlikely that any WG I enjoy would enjoy being with you.

Unless you are determined to only go for PSE and ram the hell out of a WG with no concern for her, what suits me won't hit you.

So go for the maximum information about the place and leave us to find a compatible WG.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. There are a lot of different reasons to peruse this Forum but for me what I always hope to get out of it is to either gain some information or to share some information on either the general scene or on various venues. I have zero interest in specific data on a specific girl and have very little interest in reading about guys going into explicit detail about their sexual "conquests". Are there guys who really keep track of what other guys have to say about a girl or a number and then go look her up? What would be the point? The chances of me liking the looks of a girl that another poster does are tiny, the chances of her being there even smaller and if I did go with her I am sure my experience would be completely different. So why bother? But if someone writes that this bar has a great line-up or that some pretty fl's are located somewhere that is worth taking a look. But going with a girl based on someone's recommendation is just not something I would do unless he said you could find gold doubloons in her privates. But we are all different and are all looking for something different and that is fine. That's what makes a forum like this so good because it has a little something for everyone.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1461550]Are there guys who really keep track of what other guys have to say about a girl or a number and then go look her up? What would be the point? The chances of me liking the looks of a girl that another poster does are tiny, the chances of her being there even smaller and if I did go with her I am sure my experience would be completely different.[/QUOTE]Of course there are guys will take note of recommendations and go try. We get to know which other posters have similar tastes over time. As an example, Pita123 and I usually like the same girls. If he thinks a girl has top looks and is nice, I probably will too, and visa versa. Maybe yourself and I have a totally different style and will like totally different girls. Sure this is also expected.

It's not necessary to take other guys' recommendations. Mostly (95% or more) I am finding girls for myself. Even if a girl is recommended I won't try her unless I like her look. Not everyone has the time available to go hunting for the best girls by themselves. Even my time is limited. I have to work too and only in Thailand part time.

Sometimes we get influenced to try a shop, sure. I would never have tried Tulip, Mango, Cherry, Snow White, Annies, Angel, etc. Without the forum publicity.

I think it varies. Some guys prefer go try recommended girls. Others prefer to find them themselves. I am mostly in the second camp but also get influenced at times, especially if I am undecided. Pretty much everyone of my favourite girls was self selected. Perhaps I was partially influenced to try #24 at Annies. I can't remember now. I remember wanting to try #28 first, but not getting the chance.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1461420]I agree that many / most WGs see a lot of action but that does not mean they cannot be they cannot be treated with respect. And plastering details of your f*ck with a particular girl all over ISG cannot be regarded as treating her with respect. It is down right insulting.

In stating you would not enjoy my choice, and vice versa I was stating the obvious. The girls you f*ck may well not appeal to me and vice versa.

I will continue to believe that naming the WG is just another example of bad manners and lack of respect.[/QUOTE]Then there is really no need for this forum is there? You are buying a service, just like any other. If you have a good or bad experience with a maid, gardener, investment counselor, etc, you tell people about it. It is their business. This is no different. It has nothing to do with respect.

So how about it moderators? Let's create a separate forum for "stories."

How sad. I am glad that it will be my first and last trip to Thailand. I do not blame thai women for such rude behavior. Apparently there has to be something which makes them behave that way. But I do not have anything to do with this and I refuse to be a part of such community. I will still do my trip and have fun but I guess I do not want to go back.

I have been mongering in Columbia and mexico. Man those places treat me like a king. Bouncers in mexico do not even check me when I enter the club. Not only that, Once I enter, they announce in the club (PEOPLE FROM INDIA. PEOPLE FROM INDIA. HERE TO HAVE FUN). I tip girls generously and do not bargain on anything. All I care about is true GFE and I don't mind paying as long as its not a high ball offer. With such attitude, I almost have had GFE with most of the girls I go with.

I am extremely sensitive to racistic attitude and it kills my mood. No sex is worth if you get insulted. Its degrading yourself and no one deserves that. Especially after taking a trip from USA to BKK and with wallet full of money ready to spend on these girls.

What a irony. I wish I knew this before making my plans and booking tickets.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1461485]On my way out of Rainbow 4 last night I did see the main door guy tell 3 Indian looking guys to move on. They do let Hells Angels types and hooligan in so I was kind of surprised.

I see Indians in Baccara all the time. And often smell them as they walk by. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461559]How sad. I am glad that it will be my first and last trip to Thailand. I do not blame thai women for such rude behavior. Apparently there has to be something which makes them behave that way. But I do not have anything to do with this and I refuse to be a part of such community. I will still do my trip and have fun but I guess I do not want to go back.

I have been mongering in Columbia and mexico. Man those places treat me like a king. Bouncers in mexico do not even check me when I enter the club. Not only that, Once I enter, they announce in the club (PEOPLE FROM INDIA. PEOPLE FROM INDIA. HERE TO HAVE FUN). I tip girls generously and do not bargain on anything. All I care about is true GFE and I don't mind paying as long as its not a high ball offer. With such attitude, I almost have had GFE with most of the girls I go with.

I am extremely sensitive to racistic attitude and it kills my mood. No sex is worth if you get insulted. Its degrading yourself and no one deserves that. Especially after taking a trip from USA to BKK and with wallet full of money ready to spend on these girls.

What a irony. I wish I knew this before making my plans and booking tickets.[/QUOTE]Calm down, relax and go see for yourself then make up your mind. Also if you do not bargain on ANYTHING that wallet full of money you have will be gone in no time and you will be known as a sucker.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461559]How sad. I am glad that it will be my first and last trip to Thailand. I do not blame thai women for such rude behavior. Apparently there has to be something which makes them behave that way. But I do not have anything to do with this and I refuse to be a part of such community. I will still do my trip and have fun but I guess I do not want to go back.

I have been mongering in Columbia and mexico. Man those places treat me like a king. Bouncers in mexico do not even check me when I enter the club. Not only that, Once I enter, they announce in the club (PEOPLE FROM INDIA. PEOPLE FROM INDIA. HERE TO HAVE FUN). I tip girls generously and do not bargain on anything. All I care about is true GFE and I don't mind paying as long as its not a high ball offer. With such attitude, I almost have had GFE with most of the girls I go with.

I am extremely sensitive to racistic attitude and it kills my mood. No sex is worth if you get insulted. Its degrading yourself and no one deserves that. Especially after taking a trip from USA to BKK and with wallet full of money ready to spend on these girls.

What a irony. I wish I knew this before making my plans and booking tickets.[/QUOTE]It's sad that you feel this way at this point. I really hope it doesn't taint your trip. Just so you know, while being white I've never been denied entry to any place, but being white I've been completely ignored at places that favor Japanese (Thermae in particular and some a go gos). It's hard to really know for sure, but I think I'd rather know before going into a place that I don't have a chance with any of the ladies.

It's not just Thailand that does this. I was in Bodrum in Turkey many years ago. When I would walk into a club, the bouncer would say something to me in Turkish, I would respond with something like,"I'm sorry, I don't understand you." Then they would reply "Oh, I thought you were someone else."

This happened many places, so I thought either something was up or I had a Turkish doppelganger. At one club, I saw the bouncer pull the same thing with someone else and he responded similarly. He was wearing a Dollhouse (strip club) T-shirt from North Carolina (I believe). I pointed to the shirt and asked him how the place was and he had no idea what it was. I found out he was Turkish, but when the bouncers talked with him he pretended to be American because the clubs denied single Turkish men in the clubs. Their reason was "Turkish men get into fights and don't spend money."

I wonder if a tip to the bouncer would get you in to show you plan to spend money. As far as I understand it, the bar owners are afraid that the Indians will order one cheap drink and nurse it all night taking space from "paying" customers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1461558]Then there is really no need for this forum is there? You are buying a service, just like any other. If you have a good or bad experience with a maid, gardener, investment counselor, etc, you tell people about it. It is their business. This is no different. It has nothing to do with respect.

So how about it moderators? Let's create a separate forum for "stories."[/QUOTE]Depends how you view the forum and maybe life in general. I enjoy reading new reports from places that are relevant to me and post ocassionaly. The report, stories and fights are all part and parcel of ISG and has been for past 10/15 years that I've been a member. Some boards are lame others are lively. I say theres room for all and for types theres room. No need for separate threads for " I fucked a girl for 500bht" " " I fucked one for less than that" or " I got one from Rainbow pt 1" " I got one from rainbow pt 2" " I ate tomyam" " I ate somtam". Leave it all on one happy thread.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983;1461559]How sad. I am glad that it will be my first and last trip to Thailand. I do not blame thai women for such rude behavior. Apparently there has to be something which makes them behave that way. But I do not have anything to do with this and I refuse to be a part of such community. I will still do my trip and have fun but I guess I do not want to go back. I wish I knew this before making my plans and booking tickets.[/QUOTE]I don't think you are ready to travel the world. You need some time to grow a thicker skin. If you think that you live in a land of no racist pigs, you are delusional. And while you are blaming the Thais, the situation is solely due to your brothers from India. So do the right thing and show the Thais that all Indians are not the same. In my 15+ years only one gogo in Pattaya made an unwelcome gesture. And I was looking through beer goggles at that time so I could be wrong.

Here's how we taught one of these low life Indians in Pattaya. Me and my friend had two lovelies with us and we met this group of five at an Indian restaurant. They got excited and asked how we got them, how much etc. Etc. (typical lowlife attitude. First time travel outside India and still having the MCP attitude). So we invited them to sit with us and one of the lovelies pulled out her cell and called one of her friend over. These Indians wet their pants and were drooling all over her. Anyway to cut a long story short, we ordered the best and most expensive dishes and wines. Then we four quietly got up and left them holding the bill. The third girl made her way outside, pretending to go to the toilet. Think it cost them a few thousand bahts.

So go over and see it for yourself first hand. It is not bad at all as it sounds on this board. In fact it is less than 2. However, don't go with the assumption that you will be discriminated. Then you will always find it, real or imagined. Go with a positive attitude and you will just do fine. If not, you can always take a short flight to Angeles City.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1461536]Snipped.

Were you the one I saw last night, looking like a young Scott Glenn, with the Ding Dong crazy dancer? LOL. She has very nice tit job. 30K for Collagen tits that look 95% real. Only very faintly suspicious. Not at all like the obvious silicone jobs.

Snipped.

Be careful. Many girls are rather young!

Snipped.[/QUOTE]Well, young probably not, but yes, I was with a lady with very enhanced Nom. And believe you me, I am aware there are young stuff there. I always ask to see their I'd.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461559]I am extremely sensitive to racistic attitude and it kills my mood. No sex is worth if you get insulted. Its degrading yourself and no one deserves that. Especially after taking a trip from USA to BKK and with wallet full of money ready to spend on these girls.

What a irony. I wish I knew this before making my plans and booking tickets.[/QUOTE]Hey Buddy,

No Worries, I also been to Thailand couple of times and never faced any issues with Pubs & Go Go es etc. I am an Indian BTW. I traveled solo and been to all the Pubs in Bangla Road in Phuket and had good time with the girls there. Even if you are a American brought up Indian or Singaporean Indian they just consider us as normal Indians. They don't care your passport color. You have to be clean and be confident, since you knows Hindi I assume you are white. Approach the girls and get some drinks for them (choose wisely) , and enjoy your good time. Also, always choose low season to keep up your chances high.

The night is still young; All the best for your trip! I will be there in Pats this 25 onwards!

Regards / G

Still had a bit of time before I had to go to airport so arrived at Doll House at 8PM. Looking for Naam to see if she had recovered from being away sick. No sign of her after away several days. Watched the nude dancers. No. 12 had a jaw droppingly high taunt and perfect ass, slim body, light skin and small but high A tits. Called her over for a drink. Soon she mentioned she would have to get up to dance again. I would have none of it. So offered to BF Noi immediately for ST. We took the room upstairs as I had limited time left.

Face 7. 5, body 9, GFE 9, BBBJ 7. 5, general sex 10. Imagine how great the doggy was with such an incredible ass. Tight pussy so had to work on gradually expanding her. She was right into the DATY and enjoyed it slow and deep. Pussy muscles massaged my cock brilliantly.

Great value 2k ST.

Overall score 8. 5. Very definite repeat will take her LT next time. A very experienced girl. Disappointment impossible. I think she has many regulars so I was lucky to get there early.

Goatscrot, and all those who are upset with me for whatever reason, I'd just like to say that it was never my intention to offend or anger anyone. If you take the time to read my posts, you will see two things. First, generally I do indeed provide identifying information. It was just this one girl that is the exception, and I explained the reasons for this before. I feel that it is within my right to make the decision, and don't particularly want to go through the whole thing again (and again, and again).

Second, I hope that my posts are not as worthless as you suggest, even without identifying information. If they are entertaining, great, but in reality, they should be informative. While they may not be of any use to you who has been there and done that, consider the perspective of those who have never been to BKK. Some of the details in my report might be useful to them, even more so than a specific name.

I had prepared lengthy responses on these and other points, but I'd rather draw a line under this issue and move on. If you decide to create a new thread, good luck with that (I personally think it is an unworkable idea) , but until then, I will continue with my next report.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1461754]Here's how we taught one of these low life Indians in Pattaya. Me and my friend had two lovelies with us and we met this group of five at an Indian restaurant. They got excited and asked how we got them, how much etc. Etc. (typical lowlife attitude. First time travel outside India and still having the MCP attitude). So we invited them to sit with us and one of the lovelies pulled out her cell and called one of her friend over. These Indians wet their pants and were drooling all over her. Anyway to cut a long story short, we ordered the best and most expensive dishes and wines. Then we four quietly got up and left them holding the bill. The third girl made her way outside, pretending to go to the toilet. Think it cost them a few thousand bahts.[/QUOTE]Hey Duni, what is it exactly that you taught them? How to get fucked over by one of their own? They were excited about how you found beautiful Thai girl companions and wanted to talk to you about it so you asked them to sit with you and then sneaked out sticking them with your huge bill to pay. Am I missing something? What did they do to you to deserve that? Is that how you treat your own countrymen just because they are lower class than you? Seems like you as an Indian despise other Indians just as much as the Thais.

[QUOTE=JayKimm;1461159]How do people get smoking hot chicks for only 1000B? Free agent girl told me 1500 for short time and she was not smoking hot but must be because of my bald head.[/QUOTE]We both need game. LOL.

Last night I went to my fav mp. Girl spent an inordinate amount of time oil massaging my arms. On the flip halfway thru the first leg I had to call it quits.

She managed to pass over all the errogenous zones so I figgured sex would be a waste of time. Tipped 400 baht as her massage was decent.

[quote=Daddy07; 1461917]Hey Duni, what is it exactly that you taught them? How to get fucked over by one of their own? They.[/quote][QUOTE=Duniawala;1461754]Here's how we taught one of these low life Indians in Pattaya. . and left them holding the bill. The third girl made her way outside, pretending to go to the toilet. Think it cost them a few thousand bahts.[/QUOTE]Yes we taught that, by any chance, making full is no matter even they are from same place.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1461904]Goatscrot, and all those who are upset with me for whatever reason, I'd just like to say that it was never my intention to offend or anger anyone. If you take the time to read my posts, you will see two things. First, generally I do indeed provide identifying information. It was just this one girl that is the exception, and I explained the reasons for this before. I feel that it is within my right to make the decision, and don't particularly want to go through the whole thing again (and again, and again).

Second, I hope that my posts are not as worthless as you suggest, even without identifying information. If they are entertaining, great, but in reality, they should be informative. While they may not be of any use to you who has been there and done that, consider the perspective of those who have never been to BKK. Some of the details in my report might be useful to them, even more so than a specific name.

I had prepared lengthy responses on these and other points, but I'd rather draw a line under this issue and move on. If you decide to create a new thread, good luck with that (I personally think it is an unworkable idea) , but until then, I will continue with my next report.[/QUOTE]Kumba,

I am not at all upset with you. In fact, I think you are a terrific writer. You are witty, creative, and spin it well. Kudos for that. The posts are entertaining, very entertaining. Just want to know who the providers are, especially when you report on oily places like Mango. No reason to keep that under the hat.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1461917]Hey Duni, what is it exactly that you taught them? How to get fucked over by one of their own? Am I missing something? What did they do to you to deserve that? Is that how you treat your own countrymen just because they are lower class than you?[/QUOTE]Totally agree with Daddy on this.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1461754]I don't think you are ready to travel the world.[/QUOTE]My My.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1461754]Here's how we taught one of these low life Indians in Pattaya. Me and my friend had two lovelies with us and we met this group of five at an Indian restaurant.[/QUOTE]So you take your lovelies for dinner to places frequented by low life's, why? The low life's could afford the restaurant, so the discerning factor are the two lovelies whose company I presume makes you a high-life, whaaaaaaaaaaaatt.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1461754]They got excited and asked how we got them, how much etc. Etc. (typical lowlife attitude. First time travel outside India and still having the MCP attitude).[/QUOTE]Everyone has a first time, I am sure you also did at a point of time. Do you really think that it is your charm, smile and typical high-life attitude that super-glues the lovelies to you. You monger and yet confusingly talk about others being MCP, maybe you have not seen the campaign:"real men don't pay for Sex."

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1461754]I don't think you are ready to travel the world.[/QUOTE]Dude, I'm still scratching my head over this post. Why would you even tell such a story and what point were you trying to make?

[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1462153]Everyone has a first time, I am sure you also did at a point of time. Do you really think that it is your charm, smile and typical high-life attitude that super-glues the lovelies to you. You monger and yet confusingly talk about others being MCP, maybe you have not seen the campaign:"real men don't pay for Sex."[/QUOTE]I liked it! Which is TRUE indeed!

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1461612]Depends how you view the forum and maybe life in general. I enjoy reading new reports from places that are relevant to me and post ocassionaly. The report, stories and fights are all part and parcel of ISG and has been for past 10/15 years that I've been a member. Some boards are lame others are lively. I say theres room for all and for types theres room. No need for separate threads for " I fucked a girl for 500bht" " " I fucked one for less than that" or " I got one from Rainbow pt 1" " I got one from rainbow pt 2" " I ate tomyam" " I ate somtam". Leave it all on one happy thread.[/QUOTE]I really hope your report is a sarcastic one, because actually the concept of Forums being divided into separate thread topics is very sensible. Many of the threads here I am typically not opening as have no interest.

I don't like to see too much no mongering topics other than in the general thread, which I don't have to read if I don't want to. If there is an STDs thread, an can ignore all of Pink Pearl's paranoia in there. So a Stories thread would have its benefits.

Unlike yourself, I don't want to read on every possible topic. In the case of raving nutters, I do add some to my ignore list.

The only thing that prevents the threads working properly is the people posting stuff irrelevant to the thread. This is mostly caused by a large lack of Thread moderation.

I would be very happy to have a Bangkok Specific Girl Reports, thread for example, and a Bangkok Mongering Venues Thread. I would love to have a "Pricing Debates" thread to completely ignore. LOL

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1461917]Hey Duni, what is it exactly that you taught them? How to get fucked over by one of their own? They were excited about how you found beautiful Thai girl companions and wanted to talk to you about it so you asked them to sit with you and then sneaked out sticking them with your huge bill to pay. Am I missing something? What did they do to you to deserve that? Is that how you treat your own countrymen just because they are lower class than you? Seems like you as an Indian despise other Indians just as much as the Thais.[/QUOTE]Hey Daddy07,

What is wrong with that? When in Thailand discrimination is a common practice within their own people so it should be no surprise that a Indian would do that to a Indian? When you are one up on another you give them what Thais do all the time "head toe" number.

When I was young I mean real young I did this all the time with my boy's in Chinatown back home. We use to go eat late at night then get up and walk out without paying, of course then couldn't get a girl to eat with us that is why I'm here, until one night we did this at the wrong restaurant and all hell broke loose? Of course then I was young and stupid and now I'm on the righteous road?

See, some people just never learn they stay stupid even at a older age? Think pork ribs baby pork ribs?

LBM

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1461917]Hey Duni, what is it exactly that you taught them? How to get fucked over by one of their own? They were excited about how you found beautiful Thai girl companions and wanted to talk to you about it so you asked them to sit with you and then sneaked out sticking them with your huge bill to pay. Am I missing something? What did they do to you to deserve that? Is that how you treat your own countrymen just because they are lower class than you? Seems like you as an Indian despise other Indians just as much as the Thais.[/QUOTE]I did not see them as brand ambassadors of my former country. They were crude and uncouth. You should have heard them (in Indian language) which talking about the women. It was disgusting to me. So yes, fucked them over for that. I don't despise Indians. I despise lowlifes who travel abroad and give us all a bad name.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1461420]I agree that many / most WGs see a lot of action but that does not mean they cannot be they cannot be treated with respect. And plastering details of your f*ck with a particular girl all over ISG cannot be regarded as treating her with respect. It is down right insulting.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Kumbu;1461904]Second, I hope that my posts are not as worthless as you suggest, even without identifying information. If they are entertaining, great, but in reality, they should be informative. While they may not be of any use to you who has been there and done that, consider the perspective of those who have never been to BKK. Some of the details in my report might be useful to them, even more so than a specific name.[/QUOTE]These girls often want to make as much money in as short a time as possible. If they get extra custom because someone has written a glowing report, good for them, they deserve it. How is it insulting? Remember, this is the job they are choosing to do.

Secondly, you are assuming that all readers of ISG are similar to you with the same experience, who just want to read about the bare minimum of information (venue, bar-fine, good or bad, the end). But a lot of people read this forum when preparing for their first trip to Thailand. I know I did. As such perhaps they want to read about what actually happens post bar-fine and what they can expect when they get a girl back to their room. Also I suspect a lot of people use this site as a bit of escapism back home between trips (I fall into this category at the moment). In-depth reports from the front-line like Kumbu's add much-needed interest to this forum and are a welcome diversion from the usual bickering about tipping, riding bare-back and sim-cards.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1462210]I really hope your report is a sarcastic one, because actually the concept of Forums being divided into separate thread topics is very sensible. Many of the threads here I am typically not opening as have no interest.

I would be very happy to have a Bangkok Specific Girl Reports, thread for example, and a Bangkok Mongering Venues Thread. I would love to have a "Pricing Debates" thread to completely ignore. LOL[/QUOTE]Last time I posted on this issue I made one of my sarcastic smart ass remarks just to prove I can be an a*hole. Putting that aside, wouldn't there be value in having the reports in the specific MP threads contain informative field reports. They wouldn't have to follow a structured form, but there could be an expectation that certain information would be provided. Then there could be a separate thread for Kumba Reports. I'm trying to introduce this term into the ISG lexicon. The point of this thread would be to write entertaining stories about experiences with gogo girls, MP girls, freelancers, etc.

Would it be useful to expand this idea and have a thread for Nana Entertainment Plaza, a thread for Soi Cowboy, a thread for night clubs?

I think Syzygies is correct that a well thought out set of threads makes it easier to focus on topics of interest.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1462245]Last time I posted on this issue I made one of my sarcastic smart ass remarks just to prove I can be an a*hole. Putting that aside, wouldn't there be value in having the reports in the specific MP threads contain informative field reports. They wouldn't have to follow a structured form, but there could be an expectation that certain information would be provided. Then there could be a separate thread for Kumba Reports. I'm trying to introduce this term into the ISG lexicon. The point of this thread would be to write entertaining stories about experiences with gogo girls, MP girls, freelancers, etc.

Would it be useful to expand this idea and have a thread for Nana Entertainment Plaza, a thread for Soi Cowboy, a thread for night clubs?

I think Syzygies is correct that a well thought out set of threads makes it easier to focus on topics of interest.[/QUOTE]Agree 100. Obviously different people come to the forum for different reasons. It is nice to be able to find what you are looking for without wading through things you are not really interested in. However, I do think that division can go a bit to far. Separate threads for Cowboy and Nana might be ok, but breaking it down into individual bars is going a bit to far.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1462222]So yes, fucked them over for that. I don't despise Indians. I despise lowlifes who travel abroad and give us all a bad name.[/QUOTE]So you taught them having an example how to make fool others and being civilized in your way.

I continue to believe that MP threads should focus on the MP and not on a particular WG.

A good MP will have more than one 'exceptional' WG. And reporting her by name may, or may not result in a flood of ISG members panting to f*ck her. So much so that she

Decides that this is easy money and lowers her performance standards.

Far better that we know about the general ambience, the location, the availability of WGs (even to the ratio of 'tall, thin, pale to short, chubby, dark skinned) , the numbers of WGs, the bar, the prices. And to hell with an OP saying how well Leck or Noi or April f*ck*the. All three will be tending the sick buffalo or going to Granny's funeral (contributions of Baht 2, 000 welcome / solicited). By the time I / we get there.

For example, Annie's has some great WGs but crap rooms, you may or may not get an air mattress, and the service tends to be formal. And if all the girls on the web site are not five year's olderthan stated and inarticulate in English, I have a bridge to sell. I may appear to knock Annie's but come November it will still be my post arrival starting MP visit. But with clearly defined expectations

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1462276]Far better that we know about the general ambience, the location, the availability of WGs (even to the ratio of 'tall, thin, pale to short, chubby, dark skinned) , the numbers of WGs, the bar, the prices. And to hell with an OP saying how well Leck or Noi or April f*ck*the. All three will be tending the sick buffalo or going to Granny's funeral (contributions of Baht 2, 000 welcome / solicited). By the time I / we get there.

For example, Annie's has some great WGs but crap rooms, you may or may not get an air mattress, and the service tends to be formal. And if all the girls on the web site are not five year's olderthan stated and inarticulate in English, I have a bridge to sell. I may appear to knock Annie's but come November it will still be my post arrival starting MP visit. But with clearly defined expectations[/QUOTE]Fuck the "ambience". I have been to Annies. I don't want to read about it any more. I have a fair Idea there are certain rooms with body slide mattresses and they are not air-mattresses.

The only thing useful is to hear about the style and looks of specific girls. Her exact age is of little importance if over 18.

[quote=duniawala;1462222]i did not see them as brand ambassadors of my former country. they were crude and uncouth. you should have heard them (in indian language) which talking about the women. it was disgusting to me. so yes, fucked them over for that. i don't despise indians. i despise lowlifes who travel abroad and give us all a bad name.[/quote]so why did you invite them to sit or join you? at what point did you decided to stick them with the bill? or what it after they started picking their toes, nose or in the end was it the smell? surely i know it is hot but the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] you noted couldn't have dried that fast to already started smelling unless you were eating outdoors?

lbm

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1462279]Fuck the "ambience". I have been to Annies. I don't want to read about it any more. I have a fair Idea there are certain rooms with body slide mattresses and they are not air-mattresses.

The only thing useful is to hear about the style and looks of specific girls. Her exact age is of little importance if over 18.[/QUOTE]But I know full well that by the time November comes your great choices will be back home, got a boy friend, got pregnant, got idle. And will be of f all interest to me.

As to not reading about Annie's. I suggest 'ignore' might be your best bet. Since it has its own thread it is clearly a 'base for discussion.

PS. Save me the bother of looking. Please give the dates / times of your last three 'picks' on here.

Qte Last night I was teaching my newbie girl BBBJ techniques and she is learning fast. Was quite good without being deep throat. Many things to teach her, like how she must tell the customer what time she needs to go home by when doing LT so he has plenty of time to get his morning pop. Unqte

Named???????

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1462262]Agree 100. Obviously different people come to the forum for different reasons. It is nice to be able to find what you are looking for without wading through things you are not really interested in. However, I do think that division can go a bit to far. Separate threads for Cowboy and Nana might be ok, but breaking it down into individual bars is going a bit to far.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right. There is a happy medium. As others have pointed out, there no longer appears to be much need for a Tulip thread. Maybe only one oily and one soapy thread; I think one gogo bar thread or maybe one for NEP and one for Soi Cowboy makes sense; and similarly, one for night clubs, beer bars and free lance pickups. This may not make much difference to people who know Bangkok, but for first timers it might make it easier.

[quote=syzygies;1462210]i would be very happy to have a bangkok specific girl reports, thread for example, and a bangkok mongering venues thread. i would love to have a "pricing debates" thread to completely ignore. lol[/quote]what's stopping you? go to "user threads" & create your own like other isg members have.

personally i don't have any interest in 95 percent of the posts & mostly just speed read through threads like this one to see if anything catches my eye, like a reference to street walkers, for example.

most threads i seldom even open at all, as i have no interest in them. like pattaya, massage, etc. bkk, general topics & safe sex discussions sometimes have something that is of interest to me, so i surf through them at lightning fast speed, looking for a needle in a haystack.

certain posters names, as soon as i see them, i immediately scroll past, knowing they are a wot for me, as they have a history of posting stuff i'm not interested in, or find useless. it takes one second to do that. if you can't spare that, there are other sites that divide things into a million post subjects. you could go there instead. then i wouldn't have to hear another 5 years of whining, lol.

Places that do unlimited times without extra charge are: Mango, Tulip, Snow White, Cherry.

hey everyone, i am back!

having a great time.

thailand is the greatest place in the world.

gfe with 2 sw's cum in pussy. nana lot. pantavee and nim. both are out there each night after midnight. both in 20's and pretty cute.

hit up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. dara is kind of heavy but sweet. gfe fucked in the booth and shot a wad on her face.

not bad for the first day. ha. i am very excited about this trip.

hope all of you have as much fun as i do.

[QUOTE=TConor;1462369]Places that do unlimited times without extra charge are: Mango, Tulip, Snow White, Cherry.[/QUOTE]Only places I'm aware of, other than my hotel room.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1462279]Fuck the "ambience". I have been to Annies. I don't want to read about it any more. I have a fair Idea there are certain rooms with body slide mattresses and they are not air-mattresses.

The only thing useful is to hear about the style and looks of specific girls. Her exact age is of little importance if over 18.[/QUOTE]For me the only thing of importance is WHERE can I get some pussy. I will pick my own girl and pass my own judgments using my own rating scale once I get there thank you very much.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1462222]I did not see them as brand ambassadors of my former country. They were crude and uncouth. You should have heard them (in Indian language) which talking about the women. It was disgusting to me. So yes, fucked them over for that. I don't despise Indians. I despise lowlifes who travel abroad and give us all a bad name.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I understand completely and don't blame you for being disgusted, but doing to them what you did didn't teach them anything except how to hate other high class Indians like yourself. Instead of inviting them to your table you might better have simply berated them in their own language for acting like a bunch of barbarian lowlifes and bringing shame upon their fellow countrymen in Thailand. You had a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment. Unless your Thai girl companions spoke Indian they would not have known what you were doing so you could have handled it without making a scene or cheating them. I guess this is proof of what I have heard that Indians of different social classes really do hate each other. It's sad.

Diniawala, that evening aside, tell us why you told the story here?

What was the point you were making?

[quote=luvpuss; 1462372]hey everyone, i am back!

having a great time.

thailand is the greatest place in the world.

gfe with 2 sw's cum in pussy. nana lot. pantavee and nim. both are out there each night after midnight. both in 20's and pretty cute.

hit up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. dara is kind of heavy but sweet. gfe fucked in the booth and shot a wad on her face.

not bad for the first day. ha. i am very excited about this trip.

hope all of you have as much fun as i do.[/quote]welcome back. sounds like you are having no problem getting back in the swing of things!

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1462276]I continue to believe that MP threads should focus on the MP and not on a particular WG.

A good MP will have more than one 'exceptional' WG. And reporting her by name may, or may not result in a flood of ISG members panting to f*ck her. So much so that she

Decides that this is easy money and lowers her performance standards.

Far better that we know about the general ambience, the location, the availability of WGs (even to the ratio of 'tall, thin, pale to short, chubby, dark skinned) , the numbers of WGs, the bar, the prices. And to hell with an OP saying how well Leck or Noi or April f*ck*the. All three will be tending the sick buffalo or going to Granny's funeral (contributions of Baht 2, 000 welcome / solicited). By the time I / we get there.

For example, Annie's has some great WGs but crap rooms, you may or may not get an air mattress, and the service tends to be formal. And if all the girls on the web site are not five year's olderthan stated and inarticulate in English, I have a bridge to sell. I may appear to knock Annie's but come November it will still be my post arrival starting MP visit. But with clearly defined expectations[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't go to MPs to take a shot in the dark. I don't care about ambiance, or rooms, I go for performers. ISG dudes are not the only guys out there are we are not the only forum, so if a girl is good she is going to get traffic whether we name her or not. If she can hack it, she will stay in the biz, if not she will leave. So we should try to get our shots in while we can. Just accept that and get over it and share the wealth. She is a sex worker FFS. That is why we are here.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1462314]As to not reading about Annie's. I suggest 'ignore' might be your best bet. Since it has its own thread it is clearly a 'base for discussion.

PS. Save me the bother of looking. Please give the dates / times of your last three 'picks' on here.[/QUOTE]I can read about girls on the Annies thread. My last 3 picks reported long ago, RTFF.

Reading about places is useful, but only if they have not been done to death already or something has changed. Annies is so well known it needs less comment about the place.

the exertions of mango were easily alleviated by some tasty but expensive dinner at the emporium. that's an often under-appreciated fact about bkk: that the food options are numerous, both in terms of quality as well as price. in so many places that you go to monger, the food options are limited to very basic things, e. g, pork, beans and rice, or sausages with french fries, or something nasty like that. but bkk offers a huge variety of foods, provided you are not set on exactly what you get back home. for example, if i am looking for mama's pizza, i ain't finding it in bkk: not even in the emporium. but if i am willing to try something new, something spicy, and something unnervingly exotic, i am very likely to get a kick in the taste buds along with that kick in the balls from the mongering.

afterwards i powered up at the starbucks at the emporium. i asked for a quad red eye, and it just took forever to explain what this meant. four shots of espresso, yes, four shots, into coffee, yes, regular coffee. no, not water, no not an americano, i want four shots of espresso into a cup of coffee. no, not a quad americano. look, make four shots of espresso into this cup, and then fill it up with coffee. yes, coffee, coffee. coffee. not water. coffee.

three minutes later i get a triple americano. i returned it to profuse amounts of 'sorry kaaa', and about 10 minutes later it got figured out (or maybe they stumbled upon it by accident). i don't mean to demean the local starbuck's employees, because this is also probably my fault in that i don't speak thai, but it was just such a struggle to get this simple concept across.

anyway, properly motivated by my quad red eye, i motored back to the hotel, showered properly, jingled back down soi 11 to a coffee shop for some dinner, topped up with a suitable amount of carbs laden with plenty of spices, and then tittered my way over to nep. my first stop was r3 to visit the plus sized cutie who had eyes for everyone except kumbu. glutton for punishment, or ever the optimist?

i come in, and she is just getting off her stage shift. she is squeezing into a pathetically tight set of jean shorts, and as she jiggles this way and that to get her ass into the jeans, she looks my way. our eyes meet, and i see her mouth move a little, her eyes tighten just a tad around the edges, and her brow furrow ever so slightly. for a moment i imagined sparks were flying between us, only to realize the expression on her face was not attraction or intrigue, but a grimace. she was doing her best to get the heft and full breadth of her ass into the petite jean shorts.

i sat down and decided that all this footsie was getting me no where: might as well poke the sleeping lion, or else i will never know if she is worth further effort or not. so i call her over, and rather than scamper over like most other gogo girls, this girl smiles but saunters over at her own pace. she sits daintily next to me and we start to chat. i get her vital statistics, she gets mine, and after a few minutes of labored chatting, i make the pitch.

k: you want to come to my hotel?

#81: ok kaa. you want st or lt?

k: how much for each?

#81: st 3500b lt 5000b.

k: wow.

#81: (smiles revealing a cute dimple)

k: wow.

#81: looks disinterestedly away at the stage, like, whatever.

k: wow.

so i check bin and walk out, never to return to r3. i trot over to r1 looking for the possibly under-aged #45. i get in and mama san invites me to her spot. i sit down next to her and get a drink for me. i offer mama san a drink, and to my surprise, she declines. she cites either indigestion or poong pui, i couldn't tell which, but whatever, i was just being polite. i strike up a conversation with the lady, who you could tell was a striking lady just a few years ago. she is probably in her mid forties, just a few years older than me, and was probably a gogo girl in her time. so she knows the business pretty well. she has a pretty face, but one which you can tell takes no bullshit. she sees right through all of us, both the customers and the girls. she chews gum incessantly like it powers her bullshit-meter. and in this line of work, that is a crucial tool of the trade.

so i ask her about #45. where is she? she tells me that she no come tonight. i tell her that makes three days in a row now. she looks confused. she walks over to the counter and checks with her book, and comes back and shows me the sign of a cross with her two arms, indicating that #45 has been axed from the books. i ask her why, and she says don't know, the girl never came back. i asked if she was ****, and mama san looks at me with a straight face, too straight of a face. she brings her face close to mine, switches her gum from one side of her mouth to the other, our noses perhaps 2 inches apart, and she says in a monotone,"no, she not too young, she no like gogo bar, ok kaa?"

ok krap.

i was 2 inches from this somewhat attractive older former gogo girl. i could smell the mint flavored gum she was chewing incessantly, the smell of some kind of orange drink she had consumed earlier, and the scent of cheap hair conditioner. i could see the discolorations of the sclera in her left eye, and the gentle bags beneath both her eyes. somehow i felt a sense of closeness to this woman, who i had met perhaps six times in the last six days, and with whom i had built a kind of professional rapport. she was slim, well-built, and had verve like few girls on stage. and i knew that if i ended up in bed with her, she would rock my fucking world. i mean, she looked tough as nails, and given that she has probably been around the block a few times, she probably knows tricks that no one else does. hell, this might be just what the doctor ordered.

"mama san (kumbu looks her in the eyes) , customer bar fine mama san, daay may?"

she stopped chewing her gum. she did not move her face, still two inches from mine, but she looked me straight in the eye. her gaze did not waiver for 10 seconds, nor did mine. the music thumped in the background, and the girls danced and squealed like never before, sensing that something was happening. everything seemed to slow down, my eyes focused on hers, noise and commotion all around us. but after 10 seconds of the childhood game of who blinks first, kumbu blinked first. i broke off and began to explain myself, at which point she broke off, turned around and welcomed a large falang man with a certain crazy in his eyes into her bar. she ushered him to a spot far away from me, and as she passed me, she looked at me through the corner of her eye with utter disdain. wow, she did not like being propositioned, and to tell the truth, i think i might have offended her. not sure how, but that was surreal.

ok, so the hunt continues. it was now almost 11:30pm, and i get a text from the skinny model from climax asking where i am, and whether i want to go with her tonight. i reply saying i am around, but not that interested. maybe tomorrow (phphphp). the skinny model had pissed me off with her antics a few nights earlier. she wanted a 1000b tip for hooking me up with her leggy friend, which i thought was excessive. and she then got pissy with me when i failed to pay her the full 1000b. so i decided that she did not deserve to drink from the well of kumbu.

literally minutes later, her leggy friend texted me with the same question (worded differently). it occurred to me that they were sitting right next to each other doing this, and it kind of amused me to think of the skinny girl's face and ego taking a hit when i agree to go with leggy. i was not terribly interested in her, but on the other hand, i would not mind nailing that pair of legs again. i would have to be careful to avoid the skin-ripping bj, but other than that, she was a good lay.

so i agreed, and i tried to be as over-the-top excited as i could, just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the skinny girl. we agreed that leggy would come directly to my hotel at midnight, so i would not need to deal with the rigors of climax. so i hightailed it back to the hotel, showered again, and as soon as i was done, she called me from the lobby. perfect timing. i go down to get her, and this time the hotel guy wants her i'd. cool.

when we get in, we do the niceties over a beer, and then she showers. i was already clean, so i got into bed and awaited her. she came out promptly, perhaps too promptly, and turned off the lights completely. no, no, no, this would not do, an artist needs light in order to work. i must have light! so on come a few lights.

i get right down to business, kissing her neck and ears (remembering that this really turned her on). i then went down to her breasts, which remember, were fake as hell. they were huge, softer than most fakkies, but still fake. i tried to get into them, to really suck them silly, but i just couldn't get into it. in fact, around minute 3 of the affair, little kumbu began to lose his stiffness, which is a sure-tell sign that this is not natural. so i went south.

as i approached her pubic region, i once again kissed passed her pubic hair and around her hip. i turned her onto her side and maneuvered my kisses onto her butt cheeks, with the intention of accessing her pubic region from the back side, kind of doing the long-tongue routine. now the ltr is a difficult move to pull off, especially on a largish girl, since it requires that you strain your tongue to its maximum length and to wiggle and stimulate in this extended position for lengthy periods of time. it also is difficult to execute because your view is partially occluded by, well, ass meat. so you have a partially obscured view, and require lengthy use of your fully extended tongue, which makes the ltr a move that is not for the faint of heart. but i feel confident in my experience, and having pulled it off several times with other, sometimes larger women, i felt the time was right to try it again.

however, as i approached the butt crack, i smelled the all-too familiar odor of an unwashed crevice. it was stank, pure and simple, and kumbu was not about to tolerate it. damn, i was not at all interested in sticking bits of my oral apparatus into human cracks that are unwashed. in fact, who knows if she had cleaned since she and i had last been together, two nights previous? i gently shuddered.

ok, the ltr, and any other move on the daty is a no go for tonight. i therefore attempted to execute my mission: to kiss from her ankles up the legs, across the ass and down the other leg again. i turned her onto her belly and worked my way down her legs. i have to say though that her legs were magnificent. the flesh was firm, supple and beautifully textured. it had a sheen to it that only leg meat has, and i drooled my way all the way down her left leg, taking deep, full mouthfuls of thigh, hammie and then calf flesh. oh the decadence, it was fantastic.

i got to the ankle, worked all around the ankle, and then methodically worked my way back up. every inch was covered, meticulously kissed and nuzzled, until i got to the ass, and then again that stench took over. holy cow, what the hell was in there? i decided my mission could not be accomplished today, since i could not tolerate crossing that ravine in this condition.

so i pulled out and was not sure what to do now: my plan had been spoiled. she senses the indecision and gets up and makes for the bbbj. oh good heavens no! please! for the love of all that is holy and proper in this world, not the bbbj! anything but the bj! but she was intent on sucking, perhaps to inflict pain on me, but she would not take no for an answer.

ok, so i decided i would try to teach her how to not hurt me. i told her not to stretch the penis skin like she was doing, and she seemed confused. i offered her little kumbu, and pulled her hand away from the base so she could not stretch anything. she sucked gingerly at first, and then decided to take more into her mouth. and as she did so, she bared her fangs and scraped teeth down the shaft. aaaaahhh! i grimaced louder than i needed to, just to send her the message, and she looked up at me, dick in mouth, and made a kind of muffled 'wha? ' sound. i said, 'no teeth, it hurts', and she chuckles as if i was kidding, and proceeds to give little kumbu a tooth job. aaaaahhh!

enough!

i pull out and throw her to the bed in a frantic attempt to save my manhood. ok girl, it is time for some fucking, no, no, i mean, it is time for some ffffffffffffffucking. on went the trojan, and i put my hand between her legs to see if she was wet yet. to my surprise, she was. i thought it might be lube she stuck into herself in the shower, and decided i did not care: it was time to fuck, and any cerebral considerations were out the window.

in goes little kumbu, and i slid in easily. tonight was the night for the fan treatment (tm). here's how this works. you start in missionary position and insert just your head into her pussy and do a few gentle in-and-outs, just to get the ball rolling. you then slowly increase the depth of your plumbing, gently pumping in and out, with each stroke going millimeters deeper than that last, until you are about half way into her pussy. pump for a while at this very precise depth, carefully avoiding the temptation to plunge any deeper. it is likely that the angle of penetration is from the top down into her pussy because you are propped above her pushing down. so here is where the fan treatment (tm) comes in.

you pull out about 90% and drop your balls right down onto the sheets and then push back in, but this time at an upward angle, hitting the roof of her vagina and rubbing all the way back. once you are about half way into her pussy, you raise your body, thus changing the angle of your penis. the bottom of her vagina then acts as a fulcrum and the middle of your penis is the pivot point. so as you raise your body, the tip of the penis fans downward within her vagina, stimulating regions of the vagina which are rarely stimulated. this is the fan treatment (tm).

it is hard to pull off, and requires some upper body and abdominal strength, but it is definitely worth it. you repeat this over and over, and the key to the move is that your penis fans from top to bottom within her vagina, over and over again. again, should you choose to use this move, and report on it here, please refer to it as the fan treatment (tm). uncle volodya, when you try this with your monogamous girl, and she splinters into pieces in delight, just gently whisper into her ear,"who likes the fan treatment?"

as i began this, she gasped out loud. her fingers grasped the back of my shoulders and she began digging her fingernails into my back. i kind of enjoy that level of enthusiasm, but honestly, she was hurting my delicate back. i am not built like an ox, although i think of myself as somewhat fit, but still, the strength she had in those fingers was quite disconcerting. nonetheless, i pressed on. i did the fan treatment (tm) for another 2-3 minutes before she started to crescendo. she whimpered a little, and i picked up my pace. she groaned, and i increased the height of the fan. she let out a long, soulful aaaaaaaaah, and i rammed myself fully into her, and the race to the finish was on. the energy picked up, and we were fucking like rabbits suddenly. all 'techniques' were out the window and we were just animals copulating as hard and as fast as we could.

she came, and it was rather obvious because i could feel liquid around little kumbu, even through the condom. she was really wet downstairs, and i began wondering where i would sleep that night (the sheets being puddled as they were). so i slowed and let her catch her breath. she looks at me and asks 'why you no finish? '

i looked at her and said, 'you want me to finish? ok, all i need is your legs. ' so i lifted her legs up above her head, little kumbu still stuck within her, and i held her legs together in front of me. i could not see her face through the legs: all i could see was ankles up top, beautiful well-shaped legs right in front of my face, going down to the round, substantial hips / butt, with little kumbu stuck into the pussy. i fucked her hard at that point while i sucked her left calf, then her right calf. my hands were grabbing her thighs, front and back, groping at full speed, perhaps too hard, but grabbing as much leg flesh as i could. the feeling of leg flesh in my mouth, my hands and on my chest, with little kumbu pumping away at top speed was enough to send me over the edge, and presto whamo, things were done.

i showered, then she did, i paid her 2000b, and off she went. i went to sleep a happy man that night, having had two decent experiences for the day, which more than made up for the loss of the previous night.

my next report is of a pickup from soi cowboy (bacarra). this girl was the pick of the bunch, and easily made my whole trip a memorable joy.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1462510]Afterwards I powered up at the Starbucks at the Emporium. I asked for a quad red eye, and it just took forever to explain what this meant. Four shots of espresso, yes, four shots, into coffee, yes, regular coffee. No, not water, no not an Americano, I want four shots of espresso into a cup of coffee. No, not a quad Americano. Look, make four shots of espresso into this cup, and then fill it up with coffee. Yes, coffee, coffee. Coffee. Not water. Coffee.

Three minutes later I get a triple Americano. I returned it to profuse amounts of 'sorry kaaa', and about 10 minutes later it got figured out (or maybe they stumbled upon it by accident). I don't mean to demean the local Starbuck's employees, because this is also probably my fault in that I don't speak Thai, but it was just such a struggle to get this simple concept across.[/QUOTE]Ha Ha! If you make it too complex they won't get it. Americano should not be mentioned at any stage of the order, nor water nor coffee. No jargon like "red eye","quad" etc. If their English is not good you need to stay away from any local slang and any non-English words except for "Espresso" which is standard on the menu. Its simply Espresso 4 shots or Espresso with 3 extra shots. Not "in a cup of coffee" but just in a cup. LOL. If you get 4 separate shot cups, not the end of the world. Then you can ask for 1 big empty cup and tip them all in. I am not American so have little idea what Americano is. That term is not used in my country LOL.

It does help that I speak Thai, I guess, but even then.

Even I speak Thai, I have similar problems. Elsewhere, trying to get my salad without mayonnaise but to supply the mayo separately for example. I did not want the salad swimming in a lake of Mayo. LOL. I don't really like most Mayo at all. I also wanted to each the salad concurrently with main dish and not beforehand, which they have been trained is Farang custom, but actually not in my country. Like Thailand (when eating Thai food) , my country eats different things concurrently rather than serially.

Starbucks will supply ketchup with almost all food, regardless of what it is, well maybe excepting cheesecake (I'm not sure). They have knife and forks, but no spoons. This is weird for Thailand, as I find it much easier to eat most things with a spoon. Almost everything will be "warmed" in the microwave till it is to hot too eat and all gone limp / soggy. This is despite not asking for my sandwich to be warmed. In my country sandwiches are largely eaten cold. Otherwise some people like it "toasted" but not "warmed". I have sort of now got used to ordering every thing with "NO warm" tacked on the end, lest it be "blowtorched" into a mess in the microwave.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1462551]Ha Ha! If you make it too complex they won't get it. Americano should not be mentioned at any stage of the order, nor water nor coffee. No jargon like "red eye","quad" etc. If their English is not good you need to stay away from any local slang and any non-English words except for "Espresso" which is standard on the menu. Its simply Espresso 4 shots or Espresso with 3 extra shots. Not "in a cup of coffee" but just in a cup. LOL. If you get 4 separate shot cups, not the end of the world. Then you can ask for 1 big empty cup and tip them all in. I am not American so have little idea what Americano is. That term is not used in my country LOL.[/QUOTE]No wonder Starbucks staff don't get it if it's too complicated for senior ISG members. If Kumbu wants a "red eye," he wants espresso shots in a normal drip brew coffee. I had to consult Wikipedia myself but now I know and will pester Starbucks staff with my request if I need a booster like that.

BTW, kudos to Kumbu again for a nice report. No names but interesting facts about negotiations and technique.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1462557]No wonder Starbucks staff don't get it if it's too complicated for senior ISG members. If Kumbu wants a "red eye," he wants espresso shots in a normal drip brew coffee. I had to consult Wikipedia myself but now I know and will pester Starbucks staff with my request if I need a booster like that.

BTW, kudos to Kumbu again for a nice report. No names but interesting facts about negotiations and technique.[/QUOTE]Your right. Looks like I did not get it either. I don't know what is "regular coffee" in his definition. Does it have milk or not? I was thinking just Espressos. I take Café Latte without froth (mai sai fong) (ohne schaum) and extra shots, and they seem to get that right.

Sorry guys we are in wrong thread. I am stuck in a non-mongering location right now for 3 weeks.

I found this nice lady on DIA. Interesting as we first met for lunch. She's quite nice but a bit hard to read. So I played it cautiously as one should with a non professional.

Overall, a very nice lady. She's like 26. No kids, never married before. 2 years since last bf. There seem to be a lot of these in BKK. Wonder why?

We were having drinks late night Rooftop and it occurred to me to just go ahead and reserve a room there. So we moved deepen for or so floors. Nice room. She was very caring and wanting to give. Problem is she's not so flexible any more which made several positions non starters. But I'd try her again.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1462384]Yeah, I understand completely and don't blame you for being disgusted, but doing to them what you did didn't teach them anything except how to hate other high class Indians like yourself. Instead of inviting them to your table you might better have simply berated them in their own language for acting like a bunch of barbarian lowlifes and bringing shame upon their fellow countrymen in Thailand. You had a perfect opportunity for a teaching moment. Unless your Thai girl companions spoke Indian they would not have known what you were doing so you could have handled it without making a scene or cheating them. I guess this is proof of what I have heard that Indians of different social classes really do hate each other. It's sad.[/QUOTE]This was many years ago when I was young and hot headed (early 90's). I have mellowed out considerably since then. It was the only way I could teach them something by hitting their pocket books. It is unwise to talk to idiots because they drag you down to their level and they beat you with their experience. You have to be in my shoes to really feel what I felt.

I genuinely try to help fellow Indians when they need it. But yes, it raises hackles when they talk like shit. And it has nothing to do with class or education. I had a similar experience years later at LL sports bar. A professor (Indian) in an American University no less. This time I just walked away. No point of talking to an idiot no matter how educated they may be. Indians or anyone els, whatever social classes they may be, I just can't stand people who believes in demeaning women, physically or mentally. And Daddy07 live a few years in India to really know the good, bad and the ugly faces.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1462510].

Afterwards I powered up at the Starbucks at the Emporium. I asked for a quad red eye, and it just took forever to explain what this meant. Four shots of espresso, yes, four shots, into coffee, yes, regular coffee. No, not water, no not an Americano, I want four shots of espresso into a cup of coffee. No, not a quad Americano. Look, make four shots of espresso into this cup, and then fill it up with coffee. Yes, coffee, coffee. Coffee. Not water. Coffee.

Three minutes later I get a triple Americano. I returned it to profuse amounts of 'sorry kaaa', and about 10 minutes later it got figured out (or maybe they stumbled upon it by accident). I don't mean to demean the local Starbuck's employees, because this is also probably my fault in that I don't speak Thai, but it was just such a struggle to get this simple concept across.

Anyway, properly motivated by my quad red eye, I motored back to the hotel, showered properly, jingled back down soi 11 to a coffee shop for some dinner, topped up with a suitable amount of carbs laden with plenty of spices, and then tittered my way over to NEP. My first stop was R3 to visit the plus sized cutie who had eyes for everyone except Kumbu. Glutton for punishment, or ever the optimist?

I was 2 inches from this somewhat attractive older former gogo girl. I could smell the mint flavored gum she was chewing incessantly, the smell of some kind of orange drink she had consumed earlier, and the scent of cheap hair conditioner. I could see the discolorations of the sclera in her left eye, and the gentle bags beneath both her eyes. Somehow I felt a sense of closeness to this woman, who I had met perhaps six times in the last six days, and with whom I had built a kind of professional rapport. She was slim, well-built, and had verve like few girls on stage. And I knew that if I ended up in bed with her, she would rock my fucking world. I mean, she looked tough as nails, and given that she has probably been around the block a few times, she probably knows tricks that no one else does. Hell, this might be just what the doctor ordered.

"Mama san (Kumbu looks her in the eyes) , customer bar fine mama san, daay may?"

She stopped chewing her gum. She did not move her face, still two inches from mine, but she looked me straight in the eye. Her gaze did not waiver for 10 seconds, nor did mine. The music thumped in the background, and the girls danced and squealed like never before, sensing that something was happening. Everything seemed to slow down, my eyes focused on hers, noise and commotion all around us. But after 10 seconds of the childhood game of who blinks first, Kumbu blinked first. I broke off and began to explain myself, at which point she broke off, turned around and welcomed a large falang man with a certain crazy in his eyes into her bar. She ushered him to a spot far away from me, and as she passed me, she looked at me through the corner of her eye with utter disdain. Wow, she did not like being propositioned, and to tell the truth, I think I might have offended her. Not sure how, but that was surreal.[/QUOTE]Nice report Kumbu. I'm not surprised Starbucks didn't understand your order in Thailand. I think they are just fine with anything on the menu board, but once you ask for something "unusual", they get lost. This isn't just at Starbucks either, I find it difficult to get an egg over medium in just about any place in Thailand. And if you said something like,"It's not an Americano, it's just four shots of espresso in a cup filled with coffee", they heard "Blah blah blah 'Americano', blah blah blah 'four shots of expresso'". I usually have better luck telling them how to make it rather than what it is,"Put four shots of espresso into a cup and then fill it with brewed coffee." Even this isn't perfect because you are placing your order with someone who is not making it.

Regarding barfining mamasan, I've never actually done it, but I've plenty of times joked with mamasan about it. Never have they been insulted. I get one of two responses,"My barfine is FREE!" or "My barfine is 10, 000 baht!" But given our rapport, it's probably apparent I'm just joking, so not sure what the response would be if I made a serious offer.

Many of the younger mamasans are recent bar girl graduates, so more likely have a sponsor, boyfriend, or husband. Still doesn't mean they don't want to be BFed though.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1462628]It is unwise to talk to idiots because they drag you down to their level and they beat you with their experience. You have to be in my shoes to really feel what I felt.[/QUOTE]No, you have it backwards. You have to be in our shoes.

Trying to give you at least at the benefit of doubt to explain your abhorrent behavior yet trying to comphrend your repeatedly lame attempts to rationalize your, well, your being you.

Go back and sit on your cloud Ghandi, and be sure and enjoy the view!

[QUOTE=RBDave;1462651]Nice report Kumbu. I'm not surprised Starbucks didn't understand your order in Thailand. I think they are just fine with anything on the menu board, but once you ask for something "unusual", they get lost. .[/QUOTE]As I don't like cappuccino over not as they do in many places, I always order it "warm, not not". Usually they add non over heated milk and the job is done.

Not in a Starbucks in Burbank in the Valley area, North of LA (but it can be any where in fhe world with these globalised and formatted venues). The answer to my request was "which temperature?". FFS, can't these formatted heads think? WhT kind of a temperature does a cappuccino have to be if not having to be hot (burning your mouth)? Was she going to use a temperature probe to crosscheck? Was she going to call the Seattle HQ and ask for an urgent meeting of the technical board, joined by the marketing people, to see how full fill such a request.

I know, it is not the fault of the individual girl, but this is how we (they) are growing the new generations.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1462664]As I don't like cappuccino over not as they do in many places, I always order it "warm, not not". Usually they add non over heated milk and the job is done.

Not in a Starbucks in Burbank in the Valley area, North of LA (but it can be any where in fhe world with these globalised and formatted venues). The answer to my request was "which temperature?". FFS, can't these formatted heads think? WhT kind of a temperature does a cappuccino have to be if not having to be hot (burning your mouth)? Was she going to use a temperature probe to crosscheck? Was she going to call the Seattle HQ and ask for an urgent meeting of the technical board, joined by the marketing people, to see how full fill such a request.

I know, it is not the fault of the individual girl, but this is how we (they) are growing the new generations.[/QUOTE]I think you meant "warm, not hot". And yes, they do have a thermometer when steaming milk. You can't adjust the temperature of the espresso, but the milk can be adjusted. When steaming my own, I get it to 150 to 160F.

It will be my first time in BKK. I read the BKK thread and the reviews.

I usually monger at mexico, Costa rica and Dominican Republic. Never experienced asian girls. It will be fun and different experience.

I will be in BKK on Aug 28 for about a week. I would definitely appreciate any company. It sometimes get boring to monger by myself.

If anybody is down, please let me know.

Your first beer is on me. It will be my pleasure.

Thanks

[quote=duniawala;1462628]< and daddy07 live a few years in india to really know the good, bad and the ugly faces.[/quote]from what i have read about india by indian authors, and what several indians have told me about the country and the people, i don't think i even want to visit the place, much less live there. the story i get is that india is a cesspool of corruption at every level; one has to pay bribes to get anything done; lying and cheating is epidemic; the environment is filthy; superstition is rampant; the people hate each other; women risk being gang raped on busses and trains in broad daylight, and on and on. just doesn't seem like a fun place to me.

you describe india as your former country and i'm reading into that that you are mighty glad to be out of there. maybe it is your years away from india and not so much your age that has mellowed you.

Saying coffee isn't such a stretch since the Thai equivalent sounds vaguely similar and anyone working at Starbucks sure is going to know what it means. But is it me or does Dunkin Donuts and Starbucks coffee taste like [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] compared to in my native country? Even Mcdonald's burgers which were never good to begin with taste a little inferior here. I use them occasionally as sleeping medication rather than food.

A few days ago I treated one of my girls to a nice restaurant in Thonglor. 65 baht per jumbo oyster with delicious condiments. She said it made here want to have sex so maybe there is truth in it being an aphrodisiac and some guys can use it to having a better night. Thai girls love seafood in general but warning to pussy munchers when you go down you might get a sniff of the Andaman Sea and it's not pleasant. There are some great German beerhouses in that neighborhood but if you start to see an influx of Singha tank tops you may see a rise in violent crimes among the hiso community.

[quote=Kumbu; 1462510]The exertions of Mango were easily alleviated by some tasty but expensive dinner at the Emporium. That's an often under-appreciated fact about BKK: that the food options are numerous, both in terms of quality as well as price. In so many places that you go to monger, the food options are limited to very basic things, e. G, pork, beans and rice, or sausages with french fries, or something nasty like that. But BKK offers a huge variety of foods, provided you are not set on exactly what you get back home. For example, if I am looking for Mama's Pizza, I ain't finding it in BKK: not even in the Emporium. But if I am willing to try something new, something spicy, and something unnervingly exotic, I am very likely to get a kick in the taste buds along with that kick in the balls from the mongering.[/quote]Kumbu, I have been a long time lurker in this forum. When I first started seeing your posts, I said to myself, he's one of those long winded posters who just want to test their writing skills. I was wrong! You sir are a master wordsmith and I thank you for your posts.

It entertains me and gives me insight to my trip in Oct.

Cheers sir!

[quote=daddy07; 1462849]from what i have read about india by indian authors, and what several indians have told me about the country and the people, i don't think i even want to visit the place, much less live there. the story i get is that india is a cesspool of corruption at every level; one has to pay bribes to get anything done; lying and cheating is epidemic; the environment is filthy; superstition is rampant; the people hate each other; women risk being gang raped on busses and trains in broad daylight, and on and on. just doesn't seem like a fun place to me.

you describe india as your former country and i'm reading into that that you are mighty glad to be out of there. maybe it is your years away from india and not so much your age that has mellowed you.[/quote]i find that the post above is so ignorant of reality, so stupid in its content and so unbelievable that i hope any indian members here will correct the op. as a visitor on many occasions to that country i find the catalogue of criticisms appears to describe an india i do not recognise so full as it is of anecdotal crap.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1462925]I find that the post above is so ignorant of reality, so stupid in its content and so unbelievable that I hope any Indian members here will correct the OP. As a visitor on many occasions to that country I find the catalogue of criticisms appears to describe an India I do not recognise so full as it is of anecdotal crap.[/QUOTE]Well Scorchin, my indignant friend, instead of flaming me like an ignorant intolerant ass, why don't you simply point out to me where I'm wrong? I admittedly have never been to India so consequently have no personal knowledge, and certainly could be wrong, but I merely stated the substance of what I've read about and been told by natives of India. If anyone is racist it is they, not me for it is not me who is making the claims.

So yes, I plead guilty for being ignorant of the realities of India. That should have been obvious to you without saying. If you know so much about the subject as you imply, why don't you correct me with facts and accurate information then instead of spouting off like an angry jerk? I also sincerely invite other Indian natives to do so.

Incidentally, did you familiarize yourself with the context of my post before you began to foam at the mouth? If so, you clearly would have discovered that there was no racist motivation whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1462938]So yes, I plead guilty for being ignorant of the realities of India.[/QUOTE]Given your self confessed ignorance of the realities of India I suggest that any further contribution by you on the subject be regarded as ignorant ramblings.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1462939]Given your self confessed ignorance of the realities of India I suggest that any further contribution by you on the subject be regarded as ignorant ramblings.[/QUOTE]Wipe the foam off your lip, asshole!

Extremely for dropping into a conversation. That seems absolutely useless.

I guess the purpose of this site to share our sexcapades and may be connect with each other if we happen to in the same place. For example I met a member from this site in Phuket and we partied together for 2 nights and had a great time. Not bothering about what nationalities we belong to.

Gentlemen, this is not a site to boast about our egos and call names to fellow members.

I hope that mongers will maintain some decorum and ethics and stick to the purpose rather than rant about non-issues.

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1462940]Wipe the foam off your lip, asshole![/QUOTE]That you feel it necessary you have to resort to personal insults instead of perhaps apologising for your initial rant.

[quote=daddy07]from what i have read about india by indian authors, and what several indians have told me about the country and the people, i don't think i even want to visit the place, much less live there. the story i get is that india is a cesspool of corruption at every level; one has to pay bribes to get anything done; lying and cheating is epidemic; the environment is filthy; superstition is rampant; the people hate each other; women risk being gang raped on busses and trains in broad daylight, and on and on. just doesn't seem like a fun place to me.

you describe india as your former country and i'm reading into that that you are mighty glad to be out of there. maybe it is your years away from india and not so much your age that has mellowed you.[/quote]its unfortunate that it is politically incorrect to say anything negative about another culture, and you automatically get the "racist" label. of course if you criticised your own country or thailand, the racist label might not be brought out.

at least some of us are understanding that people do not visit foreign counties if so many of the things we are hearing from others (including the natives of that country) are giving a negative impression, and of course the press does too. i have never visited india either and nothing has particularly attracted me to go there. its not top of my list, if you like. even though i have heard they have a lot of hookers (like thailand) , i am not assuming that is correct and don't go there for mongering lol (i'm just stirring).

an attractive blonde female friend of mine was enthused enough to go on holiday to india. unfortunately i don't remember a lot of the positive things she had to say about her trip. the only think that i remember was her saying she had a lot of hassles due to the different culture in the way men treat women. men were hassling her constantly, as though this was the local sport. she complained that in crowded places it was very hard to avoid being touched up, pinched on the bottom, etc. so presumably western women are considered fair game.

in the end often i think we are choosing to visit countries with cultures not too dissimilar to what we are used to. if another country has many strange behaviours, it tends to put people off visiting. whether its unfair to judge the whole country due to some reported bad experiences or not, it is understandable, and not "racist" is my opinion. i have many good buddies that i work with, that are indian. to be racist is more so to have a profound dislike of every single person automatically, without judging the individual, just because they come from some ethnic background. i have no problem with people of any race or colour, if they meet with my standards. so my standards for liking a person have nothing to do with colour, but honesty, fairness and not hassling others is a good start. i really like pretty black girls too. i could even have a black girlfriend no problem, if her style was compatible with mine.

we all have a right to dislike others, and i also have a lot of generalised negative views on girls from my own country. i often say i am allergic to them. in general, i only like foreign girls. sort of a "racist" against my own culture of origin. lol. a very non-typical girl from my country could be just fine. you never know. however i have a thai gf now, and has been much more satisfactory than my farang ex-wife, even is sex is not quite frequent enough.

it would be nice if people could handle negative comments more sensibly and rationally. its too easy just to stick on the "racist" label.

[quote=daddy07;1462849]from what i have read about india by indian authors, and what several indians have told me about the country and the people, i don't think i even want to visit the place, much less live there. the story i get is that india is a cesspool of corruption at every level; one has to pay bribes to get anything done; lying and cheating is epidemic; the environment is filthy; superstition is rampant; the people hate each other; women risk being gang raped on busses and trains in broad daylight, and on and on. just doesn't seem like a fun place to me.[/quote]interesting comment. i could see thailand as being much the same as everything you said about india. for just one example this recent news item:

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/662860-nana-police-officers-on-the-run-after-abducting-italian-tourists-and-demanding-bt2m-ransom/page-6[/url]

i happened to be reading the following last night, flirting with the notion of spending some months in india:

[url]http://wikitravel.org/en/india[/url]

i liked the possibility of obtaining a 10 year tourist visa, but some of the other things were not too appetizing.

quite a few indians post here & i wonder what attracts them to thailand for mongering. you'ld think it would be less expensive in their homeland.

in singapore i see them & they seem quite taken with hefty ladies from india (or sri lanka perhaps) in unflattering traditional gear & face. i'd rate them no higher than 5 out of 10 & wouldn't go with them if they paid me. i guess it is the price that attracts them and or the possibility of rejection with others like prc & thai.

no doubt india has beautiful women, like every nation does. are they out of the price range for cheap charlies coming to los, even with airfare & hotel costs factored in? or do indians find it necessary to avoid playing in their own back yard for the sake of privacy?

[QUOTE=Nsd1983;1462796]It will be my first time in BKK. I will be in BKK on Aug 28 for about a week. I would definitely appreciate any company. Your first beer is on me. It will be my pleasure.[/QUOTE]You need to post this in the trip announcement section, and BTW welcome to BKK brother.

The last 4 pages of the Bangkok forum have been etched with so much talk and cross talk of: Indian behavior in Thailand, Indians in India, How we like our Cappucino's and to tuck your shirt or not. Though interesting, my fellows Syzgies, Scorchin, Daddy07, Rjss, Bionicman, Duniawala and RBDave, let us give this a break and return to what we do best. Talk about our experiences and late night adventures.

I will start by posting some pics of a chick I got from one of the Rainbows in Nana. On the later side of 20, but gave me the best rim job in a year. Enjoy folks!

[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1463006]The last 4 pages of the Bangkok forum have been etched with so much talk and cross talk of: Indian behavior in Thailand, Indians in India, How we like our Cappucino's and to tuck your shirt or not. Though interesting, my fellows Syzgies, Scorchin, Daddy07, Rjss, Bionicman, Duniawala and RBDave, let us give this a break and return to what we do best. Talk about our experiences and late night adventures.

I will start by posting some pics of a chick I got from one of the Rainbows in Nana. On the later side of 20, but gave me the best rim job in a year. Enjoy folks![/QUOTE]A good rim job is a wonderful thing. Mien of Snow White (ex Tom of Tulip) , gives the best rim job in BKK. Attaches herself to your a* like a sea lamprey.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1462939]Given your self confessed ignorance of the realities of India I suggest that any further contribution by you on the subject be regarded as ignorant ramblings.[/QUOTE]I'm not defending the man, because he has made it very cleared that he doesn't need defending. I too would be called ignorant of the subject of culture of India. But to be honest in the past and present when you read and learn about India is basically as Daddy07 say, maybe the blame should laid with the media and even the many Indian posters here who themselves have posted so many negative views of India, just look at how this conversation all started and if you look back it was Daddy07, that defended the Indians that got stuck with the bill, was it not a Indian who did the stifing regardless of his motive?

What is surprising is in all the years I have never seen so many Indian mongers on this board? Welcome! The economy is booming in India by the looks of the current membership! I grew up being discriminated against and I can tell you story for story about how racist people are as far back as having to use a separate bathroom or not being able to eat in a restaurant, I've served time in prison and guess what that itself is one of the most racist institution you will find anywhere? Even today as I live in Thailand, I feel out of place at many bars, go go's and clubs because I'm Asian, the worse is I even get discriminated by the Thais which I live among them.

In the years being on this board I've stood up for many of the things that are ignorantly said about Asians particularly about Japanese which I am not, but never heard a word from any Indians defending racist comments about any other race? In the end, we are all racist one way or another but if you must defend racism do it consistently and not just for your own race!

Racist comments are tough to hear or handle but it doesn't mean we should change the subject just because it is a sex forum, openless is good now teach us ignorant people what is Indian all about because up to now I've haven't heard anything here that would spark my interest to visit not even the medical care that is suppose to be better and cheaper will get me there?

I would like to learn more?

There is a saying " sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you "

LBM

[QUOTE=GamIndia; 1462948]Extremely for dropping into a conversation. That seems absolutely useless.

I guess the purpose of this site to share our sexcapades and may be connect with each other if we happen to in the same place. For example I met a member from this site in Phuket and we partied together for 2 nights and had a great time. Not bothering about what nationalities we belong to.

Gentlemen, this is not a site to boast about our egos and call names to fellow members.

I hope that mongers will maintain some decorum and ethics and stick to the purpose rather than rant about non-issues.[/QUOTE]Keep hoping Gam, or as Jesse said keep hope alive. This site is about everything with very few off limit subjects especially since the decreased moderation by management. There's even a thread for fighting which some members may not know about but may want to use.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2586-Thailand-Fight-Club[/url]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1463169]A good rim job is a wonderful thing. Mien of Snow White (ex Tom of Tulip) , gives the best rim job in BKK. Attaches herself to your a* like a sea lamprey.[/QUOTE]In contrast to a poorly done rim job? How do you differentiate between a great one and one where the girl does a crappy job? (no pun intended) Unike getting a BJ, they all feel the same to me.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1463224]In contrast to a poorly done rim job? How do you differentiate between a great one and one where the girl does a crappy job? (no pun intended) Unike getting a BJ, they all feel the same to me.[/QUOTE]No for sure as least to me it isn't the same? I lke going from a deep BBBJ, to a rim job, which usually deep BBBJ, licking of the balls all the way down to you know what. From time to time it is okay but really not my thing as far as I'm concern they can stop at the balls and keep licking and sucking.

I like to DFK, some guys wouldn't kiss a girl after giving them a BJ, I don't know why it is your dick clean or uncleaned, but kissing after she rims me I have my limits sometimes? The total package is when they BBBJ, rim you and suck you toes too now that is a package and although I haven't been there in a long long time Singapore girls are the best for this although I had a Hong Kong girl come pretty close.

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1463255]The total package is when they BBBJ, rim you and suck you toes too now that is a package and although I haven't been there in a long long time Singapore girls are the best for this although I had a Hong Kong girl come pretty close.[/QUOTE]I like Geylang too, but I think Macau is the place to go for the total package; rim job, fire and ice, cat licking, and dfk. That said, the best/deepest/longest rim job I ever had was in good ol' Bangkok at Mango Massage courtesy of Por. Give her a try.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1463224]In contrast to a poorly done rim job? How do you differentiate between a great one and one where the girl does a crappy job? (no pun intended) Unike getting a BJ, they all feel the same to me.[/QUOTE]What she does, how she does it, and the gusto with which she goes about the task. They don't feel the same to me.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1463267]I like Geylang too, but I think Macau is the place to go for the total package; rim job, fire and ice, cat licking, and dfk. That said, the best/deepest/longest rim job I ever had was in good ol' Bangkok at Mango Massage courtesy of Por. Give her a try.[/QUOTE]Oh yea the fire and Ice treatment? It has been a while but never could enjoy it like the rimming once in while but I just can't get into someone rimming my ass? Same thing with the fire and ice to me nothing like a good old fashion long deep slow BJ.

It has also been a while since I have been to Macau, last time was before China took back the place. I remember several visits to a place called China City not sure if it is still there? Use to get Russians girls there in the 90's but never was into them either.

LBM

Can anyone tell me the best spots to go to on RCA.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1463169]A good rim job is a wonderful thing. Mien of Snow White (ex Tom of Tulip) , gives the best rim job in BKK. Attaches herself to your a* like a sea lamprey.[/QUOTE]Is she still there, do they have farang surcharge

I just posted in the Pattaya thread, but I want to also post here & say how much this thread helped me in preparing for my 3 days in Bangkok. 3 days is a really short time to do real touristy stuff & see Bangkok's P4P scene.

I've saved all of the useful reports into one PDF on my iPad and will be doing a lot of studying on the plane.

Thanks a lot to the contributors. If anyone wants to join me on my first adventure in Bangkok, I'll be more than happy to buy you a couple of beers when we go out. I'm staying at the Tune Hotel Asoke on Soi 14 in Sukhumvit.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1463255]I like to DFK, some guys wouldn't kiss a girl after giving them a BJ, I don't know why it is your dick clean or uncleaned, but kissing after she rims me I have my limits sometimes?

LBM[/QUOTE]If my dick and rim area is good enough for her to lick, why shouldn't it be good for me to DFK her after her service?

I don't have a problem to DFK after a CIM (when the girl doesn't run to the bathroom)

[QUOTE=MTough12;1463395]Can anyone tell me the best spots to go to on RCA.[/QUOTE]Since this is a question rarerly asked inside here I will not only ask you to RTFF but instead help you out as it can be hard to find info here in the ISG regarding your request. I go RCA area mostly when I hang around my regular normal non P4P "crowd" of girls. Sometimes I even meet a few new ones. Here you will not find the typical freelancing girl as in more typical monger nightclubs. You will probably hear it is waste of time to go RCA if you don't speak Thai and except from the fact it is allways an advantage to speak the country of visits language english will work out just fine. In RCA you run into a younger BKK crowd with very few older mongerers.

Route66, Cosmic Cafe, LED, Slim&Fix and Taksura are places in RCA worth trying. Route66 and LED are typical dress to impress places but if you are able to hit up women in your own country / city you can also do it here. Crowd mostly 20. 40yrs. Taksura is a student hangout kind of place (here the word is out some look for some quick cash at times?) and ofcourse a tad younger crowd.

I will also recomend DEMO (Suk Soi 55) as it is a high roler nightclub. The eyecandy is spectacular, someone will ofcourse disagree and state it is nothing special but to each his own. Just try I have had a blast in all the mentioned places in the passed. AND no need to be tight on the baht atleast not in DEMO / LED. Then you probably better off not going.

I have not been to all the RCA hangouts as it is many but I have in the passed been to the few mentioned in my report. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1463255]No for sure as least to me it isn't the same? I lke going from a deep BBBJ, to a rim job, which usually deep BBBJ, licking of the balls all the way down to you know what. From time to time it is okay but really not my thing as far as I'm concern they can stop at the balls and keep licking and sucking.

I like to DFK, some guys wouldn't kiss a girl after giving them a BJ, I don't know why it is your dick clean or uncleaned, but kissing after she rims me I have my limits sometimes? The total package is when they BBBJ, rim you and suck you toes too now that is a package and although I haven't been there in a long long time Singapore girls are the best for this although I had a Hong Kong girl come pretty close.

LBM[/QUOTE]LBM,

Your post seems a little confused. You don't understand why a guy would avoid kissing after BBBJ but are reticent after rimming. If your arse is dirty we can understand that you don't want the rimming and don't want kiss after. Same applies to guys with dirty dicks. I believe I have cleaned myself thoroughly so have no problem with any of these things. Would be very hypocritical for me to want a girl to kiss, suck and lick various things and then for me not to want to kiss her afterwards.

I have read medical things that suggest an a-hole (clean) , on the outside, may well have far less bacteria than a mouth. Not sure if its really true or not.

This bit is not directed at you, LBM, its more general:

For any guys who want to CIM, don't be a hypocrite, DFK her afterwards! If you want her to swallow, offer to swallow some yourself too! LOL If you don't like to, then its easy to accept that she might not like to either, unless a good bonus is involved.

IMHO there is little point in trying to get girls to do what they don't like, or at least offer gladly. There are plenty of A+ girls who really dislike it and only do it for purpose of getting more customers. I usually will not do it with these girls unless they specifically offer it without being prompted. E. G. June (SW) seems more happy to offer it these days. Probably has got used to it now. YMMV.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1463267]I like Geylang too, but I think Macau is the place to go for the total package; rim job, fire and ice, cat licking, and dfk. That said, the best/deepest/longest rim job I ever had was in good ol' Bangkok at Mango Massage courtesy of Por. Give her a try.[/QUOTE]Though on the older side age wise. She still provides one of the best services in Mango and is on par with Ice and Bo (who has now left mango). Indeed Por's rimjob is one of best I have ever had. Must try if you are into it.

I have this regular provider who no longer works. She was from Mango and is currently with her Boyfriend, but She still has her list to whom she sneaks out once in a while. Infact she engages me for the event and I being a big fan of her ass usually do not turn down. Recently after the 1st round, I was just lying next to her and giving my little bro a short rest before going for round 2. While we were talking, she took out some lottery tickets from her wallet and started checking for the winning numbers from a website (via her smartphone). After about 5 mins and a few failed lottery tickets she started complaining on the lack of luck on her side. By now my little bro was up and ready for round 2. I asked her to keenl on bed in doggy style so that I could do her from behind, but before going to thrust my bro, I decided to have a DATY and while I got busy, she was giving out low purring noise intermittently showing that I was doing it right, But, little did I realise that she was still checking her lottery tickets, yes she had bought a bunch of them it seems, and then out of no where she shouted as if I had bitten her clitoris and was literally shocked at her loud noise, because it might alert my neighbors. But she had won 2000 Bahts! LOL and she was so excited that she began texting her friends and updating her FB through her phone. I got back to my DATY all the while smiling in disbelief. LOL happens only in the LOS.

[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya;1463408]Is she still there, do they have farang surcharge[/QUOTE]Yep and nope!

Hi guys,

Does anybody have any feedback on Pear from Long Gun, quite buxom girl on her late 20's, big butt, wide hip and decent pair of tits, quite fun to hangout with.

Didn't find anything in previous post and nothing came up for the various search tentative.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1463445]LBM,

Your post seems a little confused. You don't understand why a guy would avoid kissing after BBBJ but are reticent after rimming. If your arse is dirty we can understand that you don't want the rimming.[/QUOTE]Because he no like. Simple as that. He's paying.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1463445]Would be very hypocritical for me to want a girl to kiss, suck and lick various things and then for me not to want to kiss her afterwards.[/QUOTE]Hypocritical is a word for your girlfriend, not your hooker. You pay for what you want, not what she wants.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1463445]For any guys who want to CIM, don't be a hypocrite, DFK her afterwards! If you want her to swallow, offer to swallow some yourself too! LOL If you don't like to, then its easy to accept that she might not like to either, unless a good bonus is involved.[/QUOTE]Nonsense! Last thing I want is to taste my own cum.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1463445]LOL If you don't like to, then its easy to accept that she might not like to either, unless a good bonus is involved.[/QUOTE]Finally! That's the nature of the 'relationship'. You pay, she performs. Sounds like you are starting to fall for these girls in general and give them too much 'fairness'.

That's why she's there and she knows it as well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1463445]IMHO there is little point in trying to get girls to do what they don't like, or at least offer gladly. There are plenty of A+ girls who really dislike it and only do it for purpose of getting more customers.[/QUOTE]That's fine. Its all an act anyway. The better the actress the better the expeience.

Many are really hot but the phrase' starfish' comes to mind. You are paying for the whole experience, not just looks. If she can't fake it to your satisfaction then throw her back.

If you don't believe it then next time you bar fine a girl tell her you really don't feel like paying that nite but would like her to spend the nite anyway, 'if she likes' and see how many takers you get.

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1461477]I am just amazed by so many responses of the fellow mongers. I appreciate all the inputs.

Hopefully I will have a great experience. This will be my first time in BKK and the thread is so huge that I am lost about what information I need. But I will do my home work. If the girls speak any english, they would come to know that I am an american by my accent. I also know very little hindi.

I think I am going to stay with jeans and some nice t shirts untucked. If I wear any formal shirt then offcourse it goes tucked. I will get some nice shoes preferably black formals.

Money is already there. Now I need to chose a great hotel chica friendly preferably 5 star near to the mongering areas.

I will definitely now visit rainbow just to compete with fellow japanese folks. LOL. I do love asian japanese and korean women.

Another way to beat the discrimination is to monger with a fellow gringo or a japanese. Too bad my buddy gringos here in USA can't make it. If I knew this earlier, I would have definitely convinced one or two to join me.

My next homework would be to study some of the Thailand scams just for precaution. Offcourse no casino, drugs, threesome or booze to stupor.[/QUOTE]No booze, casinos or threesomes! Sure buddy, I will believe you. Have a good time, take your camera. Thailand is much better then Costa Rica so I am sure you will have fun.

I am only planning on Costa Rica for Halloween because it is closer.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1463445]LBM,

Your post seems a little confused. You don't understand why a guy would avoid kissing after BBBJ but are reticent after rimming. If your arse is dirty we can understand that you don't want the rimming and don't want kiss after. Same applies to guys with dirty dicks. I believe I have cleaned myself thoroughly so have no problem with any of these things. Would be very hypocritical for me to want a girl to kiss, suck and lick various things and then for me not to want to kiss her afterwards.

I have read medical things that suggest an a-hole (clean) , on the outside, may well have far less bacteria than a mouth. Not sure if its really true or not.

This bit is not directed at you, LBM, its more general:

For any guys who want to CIM, don't be a hypocrite, DFK her afterwards! If you want her to swallow, offer to swallow some yourself too! LOL If you don't like to, then its easy to accept that she might not like to either, unless a good bonus is involved.

IMHO there is little point in trying to get girls to do what they don't like, or at least offer gladly. There are plenty of A+ girls who really dislike it and only do it for purpose of getting more customers. I usually will not do it with these girls unless they specifically offer it without being prompted. E. G. June (SW) seems more happy to offer it these days. Probably has got used to it now. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Everyone has their own limits regardless of all the science that might be involed, I clean myself but I guess just don't feel the same about my ass-so as you?

LBM

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1463597]Last thing I want is to taste my own cum.[/QUOTE]I have to admit, I have never tasted my own cum or anyone else's for that matter. First, I prefer to cum in a vagina. Call me old fashion. Second, almost all the girls I have had carnal knowledge with and who received a load of my seed in their mouths always went to the bathroom to spit, rinse and clean up before moving back into DFK mode. I always leave a bottle of Listerine in the bathroom so everybody can be clean and fresh before and after, including me. I hear that if you include Mango or Pineapple juice in your daily diet, your cum will be sweeter. Uhm.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1463626]I clean myself but I guess just don't feel the same about my ass-so as you?
LBM[/QUOTE]

Haven't you ever been tempted to lick a beautiful girls ass? I know I have.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1463633]I have to admit, I have never tasted my own cum or anyone else's for that matter. First, I prefer to cum in a vagina. Call me old fashion. Second, almost all the girls I have had carnal knowledge with and who received a load of my seed in their mouths always went to the bathroom to spit, rinse and clean up before moving back into DFK mode. I always leave a bottle of Listerine in the bathroom so everybody can be clean and fresh before and after, including me. I hear that if you include Mango or Pineapple juice in your daily diet, your cum will be sweeter. Uhm.

Haven't you ever been tempted to lick a beautiful girls ass? I know I have.[/QUOTE]No one said or at least I'm saying go back and read my opinion? I licked my share of women ass, I'm just not into kissing a girl that has just lick my ass! Not to say I haven't! Which I have depending on my mooded? Now as far as this is concern I'm leaving my ass out of this conversation okay.

LBM

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1463420]Since this is a question rarerly asked inside here I will not only ask you to RTFF but instead help you out as it can be hard to find info here in the ISG regarding your request. I go RCA area mostly when I hang around my regular normal non P4P "crowd" of girls. Sometimes I even meet a few new ones. Here you will not find the typical freelancing girl as in more typical monger nightclubs. You will probably hear it is waste of time to go RCA if you don't speak Thai and except from the fact it is allways an advantage to speak the country of visits language english will work out just fine. In RCA you run into a younger BKK crowd with very few older mongerers.

Route66, Cosmic Cafe, LED, Slim&Fix and Taksura are places in RCA worth trying. Route66 and LED are typical dress to impress places but if you are able to hit up women in your own country / city you can also do it here. Crowd mostly 20. 40yrs. Taksura is a student hangout kind of place (here the word is out some look for some quick cash at times?) and ofcourse a tad younger crowd.

I will also recomend DEMO (Suk Soi 55) as it is a high roler nightclub. The eyecandy is spectacular, someone will ofcourse disagree and state it is nothing special but to each his own. Just try I have had a blast in all the mentioned places in the passed. AND no need to be tight on the baht atleast not in DEMO / LED. Then you probably better off not going.

I have not been to all the RCA hangouts as it is many but I have in the passed been to the few mentioned in my report. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]A good list of places at RCA, I like the Cosmic Cafe and prefer the live music places and it makes a nice change from the usual haunts and there is a plenty to be had especially if you can speak some Thai but if you don't alot of Thai's who hang here do speak some English.

Been busy in town and having a great time. I started taking Testosterone supplements about a month ago. My Dick is harder even more now.

Lollipop: Met Noi. Age 30 with some curves. I always ask for the back booth here as it is private with a door that locks. Full GFE with BBBJ and FS. The music they pump into the room has a great beat and the rhythm of it is nice for fucking. I love this place. 1100 B for FS.

SOL: Stinky and smelly and sticky as usual. A few cute girls working but not that cute. Grabbed one age 25. BBBJ on the stool in the toilet. I started to stick my finger in her pussy an she said,"blood now". Not a problem. The BBBJCIM was nice. 700 B.

Som's Haven: I don't like this place. I have been there twice and the girls seem to have attitude. She did the job but that is about it. 700 B for BBBJ. I won't go back.

Dr. BJ: The same girls always seem to be here. That is fine as they are pros and always seem to do a nice job. The place was packed with 3 other dudes laughing and sucking sounds. Picked Fon or Fom age 30. Nice job with BBBJCIM. 700 B.

Tulip's: My favorite place in BKK. Paid for the 1 hour. I always get ass rim, full GFE with anal if I want. Picked Miss N. Super nice girl. BBBJ, kissing and camel sliding in shower. She did everything I asked, full GFE. I gave her 2K.

Soi 11 MP's: I always seem to have good luck here and did again on this trip. The girls will try to hit you for 2K or more for FS. Just stand your ground and say no. 1500 is the max you should pay in this area.

That is it for now. Got to get ready for more debauchery. Hope you all are having fun out there.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1463597]Because he no like. Simple as that. He's paying.

Hypocritical is a word for your girlfriend, not your hooker. You pay for what you want, not what she wants.

Nonsense! Last thing I want is to taste my own cum.

Finally! That's the nature of the 'relationship'. You pay, she performs. Sounds like you are starting to fall for these girls in general and give them too much 'fairness'.

That's why she's there and she knows it as well.

That's fine. Its all an act anyway. The better the actress the better the expeience.

Many are really hot but the phrase' starfish' comes to mind. You are paying for the whole experience, not just looks. If she can't fake it to your satisfaction then throw her back.

If you don't believe it then next time you bar fine a girl tell her you really don't feel like paying that nite but would like her to spend the nite anyway, 'if she likes' and see how many takers you get.[/QUOTE]My new hero!

Rainbow 2. I was sitting in the bleachers when I saw a guy prolly Filipino (-matches his description on sort of Indian Chinese looking) sit at the stage. He stood out as he immediately turned his attention to the thickest leggs Rainbow2 has. Didn't take long, he barifned her and off they went.

Here's a report in which I may force myself to read the whole thing. A report where I know what girl looks like.

Very noticeable when a guy goes to a Rainbow and picks the biggest one there. People watching is awesome at the agogos-can't get enough.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1463597]Nonsense! Last thing I want is to taste my own cum.[/QUOTE]Yeh right. The chances are, she doesn't like it either. Hence many girls don't do that. Others do it for extra money (outside Thailand). My point is just that you cannot expect every girl to like it or even to do it for regular money. Same with Anal, rimming, etc.

A starfish is a girl who doesn't enjoy anything much and is not an actress. Other are obviously just going through the motions. Not every girl can be a top convincing actress.

I think most experienced mongers start to get a fair idea of when the girl is not having a good time. For some of us weirdos, the girl showing signs of disinterest or discomfort is definitely a big turn-off, whether she is an actress or not. We like a realistic GFE, where the acting is undetectable. I have no interest in making girls do something she doesn't like to do, unless she secretly does actually like it.

It is amazing some times that girls, who don't normally do something, first time with customer, but are suddenly very okay with it once they get used to the customer, e. G. I have heard of girls requiring CBJ that are giving me BBBJ, no problem.

There are girls protesting they don't want DATY, but after a little try, suddenly like it a lot. Whoops, she wasn't planning to get turned on!

YMMV is very true.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1463652]That is it for now. Got to get ready for more debauchery. Hope you all are having fun out there.[/QUOTE]Good to see to a report where you are enjoying some places of debauchery. Keep up the positive oriented reports!

BBBJ in the SOL toilet? Are you shy? LOL.

Does the testosterone make your hair fall out quicker? I suppose would make little difference if the hair is long gone already?

Mr skin doctor (female) suggested I should take Propecia to stop the hair thinning patch, but I said that I was too scared it would stuff up my sex drive. I guess taking Testosterone would sort of be the opposite.

Ogling a star at Rainbow 4 on stage. A girl I'm friendly with sits nearby and I jokinglly offered her and the star 1500 for short-time, knowingly both would just laugh. LOL. I'm pretty sure the girl not on stage accepted- I pretended not to hear as I am not interested in her naked. Ok look better than avg body but I'm just not interested. She isn't heavily barfinned so 1500 was ok for her. Makes sense to me-I wish more non-stars had her attitude. I'm sure the girl s leave a ton of baht on the table by demanding star money for avg quality girl.

I know I would barfine more if I didn't have to pay avg girl star money!

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7; 1463740]Rainbow 2. I was sitting in the bleachers when I saw a guy prolly Filipino (-matches his description on sort of Indian Chinese looking) sit at the stage. He stood out as he immediately turned his attention to the thickest leggs Rainbow2 has. Didn't take long, he barifned her and off they went.

Here's a report in which I may force myself to read the whole thing. A report where I know what girl looks like.

Very noticeable when a guy goes to a Rainbow and picks the biggest one there. People watching is awesome at the agogos-can't get enough.[/QUOTE]TOO GOOD!

I knew good old Kumbu would go back to Rainbow to get some of that "leg meat" he craves so much.

I hope it worked out with him as that chick seemed rather mercenary from his reports.

In any case, I can't wait for the report. I'm sure it will be a great read.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1463798]Mr skin doctor (female) suggested I should take Propecia to stop the hair thinning patch, but I said that I was too scared it would stuff up my sex drive. I guess taking Testosterone would sort of be the opposite.[/QUOTE]Propecia over long term costs thousands, but I have done just that. Before propecia lots of hair in comb, balding approaching at a fairly rapid approach. Took propecia, noticed two or three months later, no loose hair in comb. Fifteen years down the track, still taking it, still got my hair. Thinning yes, but at a very slow pace. Older brother, everything medical that happens to him, happens to me, about two years later. He is bald as a badger, I am not bald. My conclusion, it did not stop thinning, slowed it down very significantly, but avoided me becoming bald. Eventually I might become bald, but even that is no certainty, cause I will stick with Propecia. Money well spent for someone who does not like ending up bald. Possibly, different results for different people.

Libido reduced yes, but not removed, still capable, and without ever assistance from viagra. Once again might affect different people differently. You could always stop taking it, if that happened. Side effects, virtually non existent in my case.

Urologist reckons it masks PSA tests and might not get full and correct numbers if your taking propecia. Not so, in my case. Prostate cancer depends almost entirely on its daily diet of testosterone. One way of controlling prostate cancer is hormone therapy which cuts out the production of testosterone, which of course says goodbye to sex. Too much testosterone prostate cancer risk, too little and no sex drive. I am living proof of all that I write here. Your getting it from the horses mouth, so to speak.

In my case propecia was a win, in yours, you will not know until you try it. It won't kill you and you can always stop taking the stuff and await the bald patch. Guys should research "testosterone and prostate cancer'. Testosterone is your friend for sex, your potential enemy for prostate cancer, along with genes factor, of course. Fifty's and overs should have prostate check ups!

OK, so everyone rushes in with their opinions. I am just telling you what happened to me personally over the years, my first hand experience. Different individuals different outcomes, I suspect.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1464115]I am just telling you what happened to me personally over the years, my first hand experience. Different individuals different outcomes, I suspect.[/QUOTE]Nicely done!

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1463652]Been busy in town and having a great time.

Soi 11 MP's: I always seem to have good luck here and did again on this trip. The girls will try to hit you for 2K or more for FS. Just stand your ground and say no. 1500 is the max you should pay in this area.

That is it for now. Got to get ready for more debauchery. Hope you all are having fun out there.[/QUOTE]You never know when you might spot a gem in one of those small Soi 11 massage shops in the Ambassador arcade. On my last trip I picked up a cute girl on Soi 11. She was on her way to her massage parlor when I ran into her. After some friendly small talk she invited me to come with her to her shop. The place was very small, but clean. Just before the point of no turning back my brain kicked into gear and I realized it would be more fun back at my suite at the Fraser. 2.5 hours more or less. No one was watching the clock. 1500bt plus 400bt (I think) for outcall. J was very sweet and so much fun that I hooked up with her again the next day. Not porn star, but very close to GFE. Nice girl. Yeah, I will be checking this area out again on my next trip. Don't tell anybody.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1464007]Ogling a star at Rainbow 4 on stage. A girl I'm friendly with sits nearby and I jokinglly offered her and the star 1500 for short-time, knowingly both would just laugh. LOL. I'm pretty sure the girl not on stage accepted- I pretended not to hear as I am not interested in her naked.[/QUOTE]So, you offer 1500 baht for ST and then when the girl accepts, you reneg on the deal.

Bad bad bad.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1464220]So, you offer 1500 baht for ST and then when the girl accepts, you reneg on the deal.

Bad bad bad.[/QUOTE]Haven't you noticed that SW7 (is it Harold?) rarely writes anything that makes sense at all. I only ever agreed just once (which must have been accidental) , then I finally realised it wasn't worth the effort to comment.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1464115]OK, so everyone rushes in with their opinions. I am just telling you what happened to me personally over the years, my first hand experience. Different individuals different outcomes, I suspect.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I may try Propecia, although my hair is thinning fairly slowly, not exactly coming out with the comb. Being tall, the short girls don't usually see the thinning patch on the crown. LOL. Fortunately my quantity of grey is not so bad either. I am lucky that girls often mistakenly think I am much younger than I really am. Having lost 14 Kg. Over 6 months, that helps a lot for sex sessions not to be tiring, as well. No one has to be well over weight. Its an easy decision to cut back the sugar and starchy carbs, and it works. I have changed my eating habits (mostly) so no need to be large again.

I do already have side effects probably from Ro-accutane taken many years ago to treat acne. This causes my skin to have allergic reaction to cold water or cold air. So I have to be a bit wary about various chemicals. However sugar is the biggest "poison" in modern society, due to causing massive health problems.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1463652]Been busy in town and having a great time. I started taking Testosterone supplements about a month ago. My Dick is harder even more now.[/QUOTE]Is your Testosterone prescripted by a doctor due to tests that show you have to small amount or did you just buy it at a pharmacy in Bangkok?

Do you take it oral or by plaster on your skin?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1464220]So, you offer 1500 baht for ST and then when the girl accepts, you reneg on the deal.

Bad bad bad.[/QUOTE]I find it hard to believe. If she really did accept, she'd have got down off stage and perched herself on his lap. She didn't. Also Harold (aka Streetwalker) has freely admitted he can't bar-fine girls for 2000 or less from the Rainbows, so it stretches credibility that a 'star' in his words would agree to go with him for 1500. Maybe she might if it was just before closing time (potential bargains to be had late at night) but Harold has also freely admitted he is a creature of habit and doesn't stay out that late. I agree with you though that it isn't great form from Harold and perhaps symptomatic of why the girls aren't overly enamoured by him.

I've been to Bangkok a few times as well as Pattaya. I noticed if you go with the touts for the ping pong show, they show you a card full of things the girls do. But they usually turn out to be less than exciting and are performed by chubby or older women. Women you may not want to see.

Last time I was in pattay I met a taxi driver that took me to the better sex show. As in better, I mean the girls did pretty much all things from ping pong, egg, fishbowl, blades, and sexual acts. The best part is that all of them were reasonably good looking and more than likely in their 20's. Of course, it was more expensive, but it was worth it in my opinion for the quality.

My question is. Where is the best show in Bangkok? I read quite a few pages back and gave up seeing that there is a LOT of traffic on this thread.

Any suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks fellas.

[QUOTE=Muse Fan;1464466]As in better, I mean the girls did pretty much all things from ping pong, egg, fishbowl, blades, and sexual acts. The best part is that all of them were reasonably good looking and more than likely in their 20's. Of course, it was more expensive, but it was worth it in my opinion for the quality.[/QUOTE]To many of us, the shows you mention are the worst shows available. So I cannot comment on "best" of the worst. These shows originated from Phat Phong upstairs bars, e. G. Queens Castle Group were non-rip-off bars. Most mongers don't use Phat Phong upstairs bars any more (at least we get no reports).

Expensive? Normally you pay for drinks and the shows are free except at rip-off bars. In Cowboy, Suzie Wong as a pathetic selection of some of the worst shows. Better to try Long Gun.

[QUOTE=Streetwalker7;1463740]Kumbu Sighting! He immediately turned his attention to the thickest leggs Rainbow2 has.[/QUOTE]Hah! SW7, you really are a people watcher. Sadly, this lucky gentleman was not Kumbu, although it sounds a lot like me. I hope he got a good mouthful of leg flesh from R2, because Kumbu missed that. I've never actually seen anything to my taste in R2, although I suppose there is so much turn over it is still worth a gander once in a while.

My next report, coming soon, is about a brilliant experience in soi cowboy. Working on it, should post in a day or two.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1464477]To many of us, the shows you mention are the worst shows available. So I cannot comment on "best" of the worst. These shows originated from Phat Phong upstairs bars, e. G. Queens Castle Group were non-rip-off bars. Most mongers don't use Phat Phong upstairs bars any more (at least we get no reports).[/QUOTE]Ya, does any one ever go to Patpong any more? Stickman has had a few from there who were the subjects of his Girl of the Week and they looked quite ok. In the past 10 years I have gone a single time (about 3 years ago) just to see if things had gotten better. In fact they had gotten much worse. All the bars looked so rundown and so did most of the girls. And it was still just as irritating with the aggressive touts and the market. When I first started coming in the early 90's that was the place to go. Nobody bothered with Soi Cowboy except old ex-pats looking for cheap drinks. Nana Plaza was ok but Patpong ruled. There were loads of sex shows back then. I remember one Thai couple who would go to various bars and have intercourse a few times each night. And this was well before Viagra! I wonder where they are now. Happily married I am sure. Once you see all the various implements from Ping-Pong balls to penmanship that girls are able to utilize with their nether region it gets boring very fast and at least for me generally took me right out of the mood. Nothing like razor blades to do that. The last time I went to one of these shows about 15 yrs back I got wacked right in the head with a flying banana. Once was enough. Never went back.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1464806]When I first started coming in the early 90's that was the place to go. Nobody bothered with Soi Cowboy except old ex-pats looking for cheap drinks. Nana Plaza was ok but Patpong ruled. There were loads of sex shows back then.[/QUOTE]In very early 90s, I was being told by experienced Thailand mongers, that Cowboy was the better place to be already, as many Pat Pong places were rip-off oriented.

So I don't agree that nobody bothered with Cowboy, however it was less raunchy than PP at that time. I still remember taking a girl for very LT for 400 Baht (about $20 at the time) and even midday she did not want to leave. However Pat Pong's Kangaroo bar or Rose was recommended as sleaziest for a lunchtime BJ or similar. Some upstairs bars were okay back then. Firecat, Lipstick, Pussy Galore, Queen's Castle, etc. Most good bars were in Pat Pong Soi 1 rather than PP 2.

Several years later Nana became preferred as they started to have girls dancing nude. I used to go Lollipop, Pretty lady, Voodoo, etc. (probably mid 90s) , later still the full nudity disappeared from Nana and re-emerged at Cowboy.

I am preferring Suzie Wong, Doll House, Crazy House due to full nudity girls. Previously Sheba (before it closed) was a lot better than SW, due to staff being more laid back and relaxed. SW staff seem to be a bit pushy these days. Could be because bar is so full they want to turn over customers and make more sales.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1464815]In very early 90s, I was being told by experienced Thailand mongers, that Cowboy was the better place to be already, as many Pat Pong places were rip-off oriented.[/QUOTE]Nah, not even close. SC was a joke back then. Very laid back, all small dingy bars with for the most part not very good looking women but admittedly friendlier less mercenary girls. I went looking often enough to feel pretty safe about that. But it was much cheaper and for some mongers that is what really counts. It was basically all older ex-pats that hung out there with sure some more experienced mongers finding their way but very few sex tourists ever found their way there. This was pre-internet and there was very little info out there except about Patpong which made it into all the guide books. Finding Nana Plaza was an accident for me on my first trip only because I had booked myself into the Grace Hotel after I had read an article that mentioned girls could be found there (this was pre-Arab days) and walked down the street one night and lo and behold, gogo bars. But even after finding it and spending time there, I almost always went to Patpong because they had the higher quality girls. My opinion anyways!

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1464880]Nah, not even close. SC was a joke back then. Very laid back, all small dingy bars with for the most part not very good looking women but admittedly friendlier less mercenary girls. I went looking often enough to feel pretty safe about that. ![/QUOTE]Yes I was there too very early 90s approx. 1991 or 1992 and spent time in Cowboy and Pat Pong. As a newbie at the time, I might not have been as fussy as these days, but Cowboy was certainly okay in some bars. A combination of some expats and some experienced Thai tourists certainly were preferring the more laid back style of Cowboy. Pat Pong was better for the raunchy stuff and the downstairs Pat Pong girls were maybe better looking, but more mercenary than Cowboy and harder to get LT GFE at a good price. I took mostly upstairs PP girls or cowboy girls. Far cheaper.

So cowboy was no joke at all IMHO. I knew the Farang owners of a Cowboy bar that was located approx. right where Baccara is now, as one was a relative of a buddy in my Thai language class, who was quite experienced in Thailand.

[QUOTE=CorporateMalaya; 1463006]The last 4 pages of the Bangkok forum have been etched with so much talk and cross talk of: Indian behavior in Thailand, Indians in India, How we like our Cappucino's and to tuck your shirt or not. Though interesting, my fellows Syzgies, Scorchin, Daddy07, Rjss, Bionicman, Duniawala and RBDave, let us give this a break and return to what we do best. Talk about our experiences and late night adventures.

I will start by posting some pics of a chick I got from one of the Rainbows in Nana. On the later side of 20, but gave me the best rim job in a year. Enjoy folks![/QUOTE]Thanks CM,

A good rim job provider is hard to find. If you have contact info, please PM me.

FM

I had a great session with a girl called Naam from upstairs at Dollhouse and then she went missing sick. I got blamed. If anyone happens to meet her, please post. I would love to hear if she ever returned. Ex Bill-Board girl. Looks something like this (not quite as good).

[url]http://dripmagazine.com/kc3.jpg[/url]

I am sure Pita123 will like her. I am away for a couple more weeks.

Is this her?

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1464911]I had a great session with a girl called Naam from upstairs at Dollhouse and then she went missing sick. I got blamed. If anyone happens to meet her, please post. I would love to hear if she ever returned. Ex Bill-Board girl. Looks something like this (not quite as good).

[url]http://dripmagazine.com/kc3.jpg[/url]

I am sure Pita123 will like her. I am away for a couple more weeks.[/QUOTE]

I will be having a very tight connection in BKK and I was wondering if anyone could help with action in the airport area. I am actually landing at 0130 and flying out 1030 next morning. I am sure that there will not be much happening around or in the airport. Probably I will book a room at Novotel or any other hotel near airport.

I am not sure if anyhting is happening in Novotel at the Airport. Do they have a SPA or a massage place that will be open around those hours? Is there anything else in the area?

If anyone could provide any information it would be extremely helpful.

[QUOTE=DuffyDuck; 1464923]I will be having a very tight connection in BKK and I was wondering if anyone could help with action in the airport area.

If anyone could provide any information it would be extremely helpful.[/QUOTE]Been in your situation in the past. I'd have escorts come to my room. In my opinion, if you touchdown at 1:30 it will take too long to get out of the airport and into the monger areas to be worth it.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1464932]Been in your situation in the past. I'd have escorts come to my room. In my opinion, if you touchdown at 1:30 it will take too long to get out of the airport and into the monger areas to be worth it.[/QUOTE]

Besides escort service option, if OP decides to book nearby hotel, Novotel or even Raddison on Rama IX, see if EZ [24/7 service] or Annies will provide outcall. You will have to pay surcharge for drive out but see what they say. And confirm exactly how many pops, hours, etc.

Other option is to troll Nana Parking lot, get 1-2 hrs of action before heading back to airport.

[QUOTE=DuffyDuck;1464923]I will be having a very tight connection in BKK and I was wondering if anyone could help with action in the airport area. I am actually landing at 0130 and flying out 1030 next morning. I am sure that there will not be much happening around or in the airport. Probably I will book a room at Novotel or any other hotel near airport.[/QUOTE]Several Cowboy bars are closing at 3:00 AM so its possible you could make it there shortly before closing but would be tough to pick out someone if you don't know the girls already. I have showed up there very late myself. So after that its mainly street walkers as others mentioned or at Climax disco, for example, or perhaps at Thermae. Not sure what time it closes these days. Escort may be possible (I don't use them). I don't like to receive a girl that I haven't checked out first.

I don't suppose there is any action near airport at that hour. There are Karaoke/Massage clubs on Srinakarin Road close to airport but I haven't tried and expect they would be closed.

[QUOTE=DuffyDuck; 1464923]I will be having a very tight connection in BKK and I was wondering if anyone could help with action in the airport area. I am actually landing at 0130 and flying out 1030 next morning. I am sure that there will not be much happening around or in the airport.

If anyone could provide any information it would be extremely helpful.[/QUOTE]If you land 01. 30am you are very thight or, better, arriving at an odd hour.
account to be at the room at Novotel airport not before an hour as the shuttle to the hotel might not be promptly available.

A MP can send you a girl, but it is quite late as they finish around midnight if they are taken and till 2. 30 is a long waiting time even if accounting for transportation. Will she be awake and willing to perform?

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1464939]Other option is to troll Nana Parking lot, get 1-2 hrs of action before heading back to airport.[/QUOTE]My understanding is that NP offers nearly 24/7.

Thank you all for your posts, now I have a better idea of the real options available, probably I will call any MP ask them if they could provide any outcall service at that time, otherwise I will opt for an escort service. Thanks againg!

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1464921]Is this her?[/QUOTE]You don't say if name is Naam and from where.

Very nice indeed (face looks somewhat like my fillipino ex GF) , but no, Naam is quite skinny, smaller tits, and nearly black hair and looks closer to the pic I gave. As was just 1st time with Naam, I stupidly neglected to collect the phone number, assuming I would see her another day.

Sorry, I thought there were some facial similarities.

I never ask their name unless they ask mine which they rarely do as it seems as unimportant to them as it is to me and I then forget it instantly. If, at the end of our time together it seems she has some interest in seeing me again then I try and be polite and have them write their name and number which then goes in a pile and then left for the maid when I leave. I rarely repeat.

Pulled her from the 3rd floor of Nana from the bar next to the bar with the hot tub. Vegas maybe.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1465161]You don't say if name is Naam and from where.

Very nice indeed (face looks somewhat like my fillipino ex GF) , but no, Naam is quite skinny, smaller tits, and nearly black hair and looks closer to the pic I gave. As was just 1st time with Naam, I stupidly neglected to collect the phone number, assuming I would see her another day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1461206]Not sure how the rest of the community feels about it, but I think there should be a separate thread for "Stories;" stories being exploits where the name of the gal is not revealed. Personally, I find these long exegeses to be entertaining, but would rather see them in another context. I think it is great that dudes want to have their experiences validated, but in there is a place for this and IMHO the Bangkok Forum and especially the MP forums are not the place. These forums are for us to share information on gals and ask questions, not to revel in our exploits while in one way thumbing our noses at the other posters.

Good gals will get busy whether you share the info or not. Good for them. A quick shower and she is as good as new.

Another thread will give guys who want to do this an outlet and save time for those of us who don't want to wade through posts on how great a gal is, only to be disappointed that the dude writing it thinks that sharing the name is a problem.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I think reviews of shops and ladies that don't give the name or the lady or the shop or any other way to find it should be totally prohibited. They offer absolutely nothing of value to readers. If guys want to write sex stories they can go to one of the erotic short stories websites. What's the point of it here?

It gets worse. Now we have a guy in the HCMC sections posting reports of $10 blowjob shops, stunners here and there, etc. But he won't tell anyone where they are. He says it's because of recent raids, but when you contact him via PM for more info he says he's happy to take you around and show you places for $100 USD.

[QUOTE=DuffyDuck; 1464923]I will be having a very tight connection in BKK and I was wondering if anyone could help with action in the airport area. I am actually landing at 0130 and flying out 1030 next morning. I am sure that there will not be much happening around or in the airport. Probably I will book a room at Novotel or any other hotel near airport.

I am not sure if anyhting is happening in Novotel at the Airport. Do they have a SPA or a massage place that will be open around those hours? Is there anything else in the area?

If anyone could provide any information it would be extremely helpful.[/QUOTE]Your chances are poor to score in that area. If you are really keen on it either hire an escort or if you want to make a pick just go to Sukhumvit and if you are lucky the flesh market would be open for you to taste the type of meat you desire.

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1465358]It gets worse. Now we have a guy in the HCMC sections posting reports of $10 blowjob shops, stunners here and there, etc. But he won't tell anyone where they are. He says it's because of recent raids, but when you contact him via PM for more info he says he's happy to take you around and show you places for $100 USD.[/QUOTE]I've been living in HCMC for 2 years. There are places where you can find blow jobs from okay looking or young women for 10$ and a lot of good places are pmed only. It's true. But it's not cool for someone to charge you for directions. This guy in question obviously just wants your money.

Avoid giving these people business because there are quite a few mongers in HCMC that will share info via pm so long as they feel comfortable about giving it to you.

Just ignore them.

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1465599]Guys, I'll be there in Bangkok on a short transit only for about 6 hours. Can you recommend girl friendly 5 start hot near the airport.

Also I don't think I have time to go and pick up girls. Can you recommend a high class escort place. Thai and Europeans.

I did some research online but there are so many places, but I don't think they deliver the same girl on the photo.

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Not sure I'd call it a 5 star hotel, but there is a Novotel at the Bangkok airport. But for six hours, does it really need to be a five star? If you have the girl meet you when your flight arrives, I doubt the hotel would turn you away. Girl friendly typically means bringing an unregistered guest to your room. If she is with you when you check in, it won't matter.

Also, if you don't mind me asking, why even bother? Between the five star hotel and European Escort prices, why not take care of business at your origin or destination? It will surely cost your upwards of 12, 000 baht all in. Possibly more depending on the hotel price.

Thanks for the info. I'll check Novotel. This is the only chance that I would have, because of other constrains. Anyways, I don't really mind the price if I could get top escorts. Do you have any info regarding escorts?

[QUOTE=RBDave; 1465606]Not sure I'd call it a 5 star hotel, but there is a Novotel at the Bangkok airport. But for six hours, does it really need to be a five star? If you have the girl meet you when your flight arrives, I doubt the hotel would turn you away. Girl friendly typically means bringing an unregistered guest to your room. If she is with you when you check in, it won't matter.

Also, if you don't mind me asking, why even bother? Between the five star hotel and European Escort prices, why not take care of business at your origin or destination? It will surely cost your upwards of 12, 000 baht all in. Possibly more depending on the hotel price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dkooau;1465614]Do you have any info regarding escorts?[/QUOTE]There's a thread of it's own about this: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2454-Bangkok-Escort-Agencies[/url]

Aplologies Admin & Members, no other option to contact him

Can anyone recommend me a place to get top of the range European Escorts?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1465720]Can anyone recommend me a place to get top of the range European Escorts?

Thanks[/QUOTE]Europe. Apart from a few on holiday, and probably with a client, I would suggest most escorts would stay in Europe*

Except for the rougher visitors from the FSU.

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1465720]Can anyone recommend me a place to get top of the range European Escorts?

Thanks[/QUOTE]In my experience the European Escorts are either pretty crappy or extremely overpriced in BKK (and they are defo not worth the price, both looks ad service wise). Best to avoid it all together. Stick with the local flavor.

Sorry.

I tried calling you but seems you left.

Anyways I hope you had a great time.

Couldn't meet unfortunately. Next time brother.

[QUOTE=Gajith;1465620]Aplologies Admin & Members, no other option to contact him[/QUOTE]

Any tips on girls working the Bangkok blow job bar circuit right now that can do deep throat or get face fucked? My favorite at BJs is gone. I'm up for anywhere in the city, SOL, Kangaroos, Som's, Mikes, etc

[QUOTE=Nsd1983; 1465756]Sorry.

I tried calling you but seems you left.

Anyways I hope you had a great time.

Couldn't meet unfortunately. Next time brother.[/QUOTE]Its Ok, Do let me know if you are coming to Singapore. Evening rain was really bad in Bangkok. I would say Pattaya is better because me and our buddy Bernie scored all nights :P. I felt Bangkok Insomnia (Insanity now) is more expensive with admission fee and too much competition. The girls are too picky, and they even go back home alone around 4-5 am if they couldn't find their Guy.

Thanks / G

[QUOTE=Rick Rock;1465836]Any tips on girls working the Bangkok blow job bar circuit right now that can do deep throat or get face fucked? My favorite at BJs is gone. I'm up for anywhere in the city, SOL, Kangaroos, Som's, Mikes, etc[/QUOTE]Poo at SOL does deep throat. But you need to tell her or atleast indicate by pushing her head deep once.

[QUOTE=Dkooau; 1465599]Guys, I'll be there in Bangkok on a short transit only for about 6 hours. Can you recommend girl friendly 5 start hot near the airport.

Also I don't think I have time to go and pick up girls. Can you recommend a high class escort place. Thai and Europeans.[/QUOTE]Since someone comes on the forum every week asking this same thing, I have created a new thread for people on BKK layovers: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3523-Service-Options-and-Hotels-for-a-Short-Bangkok-Layover&p=1465943#post1465943[/url]

I'm just curious where is Sol?

Thanks,

Jason

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1465937]Poo at SOL does deep throat. But you need to tell her or atleast indicate by pushing her head deep once.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the lead! Will definitely check it out.

[QUOTE=Jasonamo; 1465954]I'm just curious where is Sol? Thanks.

Jason[/QUOTE]Half way up Phat Pong Soi 2, East side, between Silom Road and Surawong Road.

Can see the sign here (under red French Kiss sign). Its to the right of the sign:

[url]http://goo.gl/maps/StGKI[/url]

I will try tomorrow. Thanks Syzygies!

Now I have been to almost every gogo bar in Nana and Soi Cowboy but for some reason I always keep coming back here. This reports curtails my first trip to Mandarin.

Its hard to find. Nestled between and 2 floors and the back end of NEP. To get there you have to walk all the way around the second floor, past the hordes of Ladyboys trying to grapple you into their clubs.

So into Mandarin I went. Very Small Place with many girls dancing. This is defo not the Rainbow's or Baccarra's. Its small, quaint and chilled. Mamasans always lurking outside and welcomed me in.

Took a seat. The thing I like about this bar is all the seats are built around the 3 stages. There is no "loner in the corner" type setting where you are far from the girls and can't see their number to call them over and yet too tired, shy or lazy to walk all the way and get their attention, just to come back to your seat when they show no interest or prefer you to a nerdy Jap, ala Rainbow 4.

Ok. Back to Mandarin. Took my seat amidst the gorgeous dancers on stage. Out of all the go-go's I have been to, I truly feel this place has top of the quality babes. Young, fresh and great attitudes. Also the Mamasan is very helpful. She will bring your drink over, and tell you the inside info about the girls. At least for me she did. Who does what and all that good stuff.

So my first time there, I sat down and after a chit chat with Mamasan, locked eyes with a girl sitting by the door. She was stunning. Really. One of them dark skinned type thai girls that look like porn star Lily Thai. She had her hair in braids and looked very unique for a Thai girl.

We started playing eyeball footsie. I was a little hesitant. I did not know if she worked there, since she wasn't dancing and sitting just outside the door. However after a few minutes when Mamasan passed her by, she stopped her and pointed to me. Mamasan looks at me and gives a thumbs up, I nod, the girl comes over.

Nat was her name. Spoke perfect English. I was actually astonished by this fact, because she did not have a strong Thai accent and was very clear. I knew she was mine for the night. Chit-chat, few drinks and asked her for an overnight which she quoted 4000 baht. No complaints, bar fined and off to the hotel. Seriously though, I can't emphasize how top notch her looks were, great body, really nice ass that did not droop. She defo took care of herself and I took care of that ass. Ohh boy.

And I can say with reasonable fact that you won't get this quality of girl overnight at that price in a place like Baccarra or Shark where girls of these looks will quote you 5000-8000 and up, maybe more if you are a Jap.

Back to brass tax.

Got her nice and cleaned, and onto the bed. Really nice BBBJ, wet and sensual. I inclined her to dwell a little further down and as she was giving attention to the boys, I wanted her tongue up my ass but alas she was not a rimmer. Flicked the nether regions a few licks over and I realized that was the best I was going to get. Is it just me or are bar girls not into rimming?

Ok so I got over it. Time to fuck.

Really nice. The feel of that precious ass bouncing on me was a joy. I still feel it as I write this report. Gosh. Amazing in every which way. It was an ass with no imperfections. I dare you to look.

A little bit of fucking in many positions and and I CIM. She took it with enthusiasm but spat it out in the bathroom.

A bit of a cuddle and we went out for Mantis Shrimp. Needless to say the cycle continued till the morning. In the morning she did not want to leave. As if to say she wanted to spend the day with me. Sadly I was flying out later that day and had stuff to do. I sure hope she is still there in Mandarin when I visit this weekend. Been there once after but did not see her there, although I got hitched with another stunner that looked like your wildest fantasy from a hentai cartoon. More on that later. Mandarin is my default spot in Nana now. If you want to find me, that's where I'll be!

Wait a minute!

5000. 8000 LT [long time] for a bar or GoGo girl?

Even 4000 is on the high side and only reasonable for a top stunner.

LT is usually 2500 to 3000 IMO.

Certainly so after 12pm.

JMHO

[QUOTE=Carpediemyes; 1467187]Wait a minute!

5000. 8000 LT [long time] for a bar or GoGo girl?

Even 4000 is on the high side and only reasonable for a top stunner.

LT is usually 2500 to 3000 IMO.

Certainly so after 12pm.

JMHO[/QUOTE]These were prices I was quoted in places like Baccara. Needless to say I did not accept the eight thousand offer but the most I have payed for a bar girl was about 5 grand and it was not worth it.

[QUOTE=Carpediemyes; 1467187]Wait a minute!

5000. 8000 LT [long time] for a bar or GoGo girl?

Even 4000 is on the high side and only reasonable for a top stunner.

LT is usually 2500 to 3000 IMO.

Certainly so after 12pm.

JMHO[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Moris54;1467194]These were prices I was quoted in places like Baccara. Needless to say I did not accept the eight thousand offer but the most I have payed for a bar girl was about 5 grand and it was not worth it.[/QUOTE]I think the girls prefer multiple ST and quote very high for LT on purpose. They figure you'll probably say no, perhaps opt for ST, and if you do say yes it's well worth it for them. Last time I went to the gogos (which was during high season) , I couldn't even find a girl who would do LT.

If she quoted you 8000 she did not want you. Many have agendas, meeting friends, etc. Rarely do they have the discipline to do that many short times. Don't take it personally.

[QUOTE=Moris54;1467194]These were prices I was quoted in places like Baccara. Needless to say I did not accept the eight thousand offer but the most I have payed for a bar girl was about 5 grand and it was not worth it.[/QUOTE]

If all said no to long time then they didn't want you either. Maybe reassess your approach.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467201]Last time I went to the gogos (which was during high season) , I couldn't even find a girl who would do LT.[/QUOTE]

I was in Bangkok last week in patong walk by Star of light BJ bar saw 2 pretty girl siting outside, I ask one girl for take out back to the hotel no way I will get service at that shit hole so agree to 400 barfine and 1000 be ST take the bts back to asok service is good the girl is new not very experience finish with BJ CIM.

Fast Eddie 48

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467201]I think the girls prefer multiple ST and quote very high for LT on purpose. They figure you'll probably say no, perhaps opt for ST, and if you do say yes it's well worth it for them. Last time I went to the gogos (which was during high season) , I couldn't even find a girl who would do LT.[/QUOTE]Some girls do not do LT at all. Boyfriend picks them up after work, or have to look after the baby, or go home to parents who don't want to know where she works, etc.

Other girls are refusing long time because they cannot sleep in a strange room, and besides their normal sleep hours are 8AM to 3PM. Other girls are refusing LT because guys do not offer enough. Many girls will change their mind if the money is high enough. They may normally be trying to get 3 STs in the evening. You need to get agreement as to what time you want her till as well, and that you are taking LT because you want sex in the morning.

Certainly long time girls can be found in bars. I know quite a few. Some girls are willing to do LT on occasions but not every day. Depends on their private circumstances at the time.

Watch out for tricky girls who agree to LT, but have no intention of keeping the promise. Happened to me once or twice. Obviously I cut the payment back to short time, but is annoying as wanted a girl in the morning. I have even heard of girls asking to be paid up front, and then running away, at first opportunity.

I have one bar girl that is willing to do a two stage ST. That is she does ST, goes away, I sleep, and then she comes back in the morning. This is rare, as not many girls can be trusted to come back. They might if they need to come back to get money though.

I certainly know of bargirls that usually do LT and ST more rarely. I have had a LT girl even out of Rainbow 4 and Baccara in the past. This is not the best places to look for them.

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48; 1467382]I was in Bangkok last week in patong walk by Star of light BJ bar saw 2 pretty girl siting outside, I ask one girl for take out back to the hotel no way I will get service at that shit hole so agree to 400 barfine and 1000 be ST take the bts back to asok service is good the girl is new not very experience finish with BJ CIM.

Fast Eddie 48[/QUOTE]You could take her to The Strand Inn Hotel which is a quite decent ST Hotel very close by in PatPong 2. About 70 metres south of SOL.

[quote=syzygies; 1467384]some girls do not do lt at all. boyfriend picks them up after work, or have to look after the baby, or go home to parents who don't want to know where she works, etc.

other girls are refusing long time because they cannot sleep in a strange room, and besides their normal sleep hours are 8am to 3pm. other girls are refusing lt because guys do not offer enough. many girls will change their mind if the money is high enough. they may normally be trying to get 3 sts in the evening. you need to get agreement as to what time you want her till as well, and that you are taking lt because you want sex in the morning.

certainly long time girls can be found in bars. i know quite a few. some girls are willing to do lt on occasions but not every day. depends on their private circumstances at the time.

watch out for tricky girls who agree to lt, but have no intention of keeping the promise. happened to me once or twice. obviously i cut the payment back to short time, but is annoying as wanted a girl in the morning. i have even heard of girls asking to be paid up front, and then running away, at first opportunity.

i have one bar girl that is willing to do a two stage st. that is she does st, goes away, i sleep, and then she comes back in the morning. this is rare, as not many girls can be trusted to come back. they might if they need to come back to get money though.

i certainly know of bargirls that usually do lt and st more rarely. i have had a lt girl even out of rainbow 4 and baccara in the past. this is not the best places to look for them.[/quote]most of the girls i have pulled forom gogo's are for long term. i had only one refuse claiming lt because she needed to be home by a certain hour (kinda valid excuse) but did take her for a couple hours. once pulled a girl from baccara around 9pm she stayed with me until 10 am the next day.

cute girl, sex was lacking though. personally i prefer lt because i usually hit the gogo's past midnight and don't want to be looking for a fuck at 3 in the morning. true they can make more money doing multiple st, but i guess if the girl is into you, lt is not an issue. sometimes though you can end up with a crazy and then you will wish she got the hell out.

happened to me with a girl form shark. looked hot, best ass on the dance floor. bar fined her, but she took an unusual while to come back to me and leave. this should have been and indicator. went to a wine bar on soi cowboy for some quick drinks, where to my surprise she just starts crying. loud. eveyone starts to look at me as if why is this foreigner making our thai girl cry?

i was like wtf, she just kept balling for about 10 minutes. i did nothing, sipped my wine, hoping the locals won't bug me. then all of a sudden she gets perky again, apologizes, goes to the bathroom to clean up and says she's hungry. we hit a restaurant, where lo and behold as soon as the waitress brings the menu she starts to cry again. even worse than last time. now i am in an predicament! can't just ditch her can i? i keep quite eat my food and she is still crying the whole time. won't tell me a reason, keeps muttering stuff in thai. i am thinking of a way to ditch this girl.

still nothing comes up. then, boom. after dinner, she perks up again and says lets go to the hotel and started groping me and in the taxi she was all over me. here i am thinking whatever it was, it was past. maybe i may have reminded her of something. i dunno. we get to the hotel room, she is about to take her pants off. and then. wailing, loud uninhibited wailing. i was like wtf! she started crying again, screaming about things in thai. she was so loud the neighbors could hear. i got fed up. i give her 500 baht for a taxi and tell her to leave. bad idea. she gets pissed on top of all the crying and begins to throw my stuff around, clothes, laptop, various shopping stuff rep001tered around my room.

then she demands 4000 baht from me or threatens to call the police, claiming "me thai lady," "me thai lady" and then tries to grab my passport which was sitting on the desk (bad place i know). fortunately i have a good rapport with the hotel staff since i stay there on all my trips and take good care of them (tip wise) and this generosity paid off. some of them came up, spoke to the girl in thai and managed to calm her down and take her outside.

she took the taxi cab money and left, my room was one hell of a mess though. moral of this story? if something seems a little off when you are about to pick up a girl at a gogo, specifically for lt, its better to let her slide, usually instincts are a very good first indicator.

[QUOTE=Moris54; 1467403]Most of the girls I have pulled forom Gogo's are for Long Term. I had only one refuse claiming LT because she needed to be home by a certain hour (kinda valid excuse) but did take her for a couple hours. Once pulled a Girl from Baccara around 9PM she stayed with me until 10 am the next day.

Cute girl, sex was lacking though. Personally I prefer LT because I usually hit the Gogo's past midnight and don't want to be looking for a fuck at 3 in the morning. True they can make more money doing multiple ST, but I guess if the girl is into you, LT is not an issue. Sometimes though you can end up with a crazy and then you will wish she got the hell out.[/QUOTE]I can not say I am a lucky one regarding taking a Go Go girl for LT. In my early mongering days whenever I jumped up for LT with a Go Go girl, made me pissed of; 3 of 5 times I was in need to handle extra hassles, not to be fucked off my money by a Go Go girl. I can not remember ever I tried one after midnight or not. Because these days after having several ST (s) , I got couple of regular Go Go girls in BKK and patt. I can meet them on our mutual decided time.

If it is counted my two penny worthy and if you like to see the girl running away from you with your LT money, you can try for a Go Go girl. If you are first timer with her.

[QUOTE=Carpediemyes; 1467187]Wait a minute!

5000. 8000 LT [long time] for a bar or GoGo girl?

Even 4000 is on the high side and only reasonable for a top stunner.

LT is usually 2500 to 3000 IMO.

Certainly so after 12pm.

JMHO[/QUOTE]Where would that be, gogos in the Philippine Islands? India or Africa?

In Thailand ST has been 2000 baht for some years now. Top girls may often refuse even that & demand more.

So there's no way in hell they're going to go with you LT for a lousy $17 more.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1467384]Some girls do not do LT at all.

Certainly long time girls can be found in bars. I know quite a few. Some girls are willing to do LT on occasions but not every day. Depends on their private circumstances at the time.

Watch out for tricky girls who agree to LT, but have no intention of keeping the promise. Happened to me once or twice. Obviously I cut the payment back to short time, but is annoying as wanted a girl in the morning. I have even heard of girls asking to be paid up front, and then running away, at first opportunity.[/QUOTE]You are a wealth of information. Whether it be bargirls, freelancers or escorts, I've never been a fan of having them sleep over. After the business is concluded I'm perfectly happy for them to leave. Thanks for the warning about the "tricky girls. I've read and heard plenty of stores about girls skipping out in the middle of the night.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467626]Thanks for the warning about the "tricky girls. I've read and heard plenty of stores about girls skipping out in the middle of the night.[/QUOTE]Plenty? Not in my experience. My "bad" experiences are probably less than 1. And who in the LOS pays before morning or at least before you are finished with her if you choose not to keep her till morning?

Did they leave without being paid?

I'm skeptical, stories from where?

Anyone else have such experiences?

Everyone's mileage will vary and all stories are anecdotal, but still interesting of course and may teach us a lesson.

I usually go for LT. The lack of "time stress", multiple pops, sleeping with a nice Thai girls in my arms and the morning sex, all add up to a nice package in my experience. Pricewise, I have seen and paid all prices between 1500 baht (two years ago, a cute young spinner from Suzie Wong) and 3500 baht plus barfine and some drinks. There is no rhyme or reason in these prices. My hunting grounds are the a-gogo clubs, mainly Suzie Wong, but also Livingstone's Sports Lounge or bars in Jomtien. I have no idea what price streetwalkers ask, or what is the going rate of girls in a disco.

Fact is that I never had any trouble to find a girl agreeing to LT in Thailand and I never picked one up after 11PM. My best experiences are even with those I picked up rather early, say between 9 and 10 PM.

Have I just been lucky? I blame my good karma, of course.

Also, my most enjoyable experiences are with girls that have choosen me rather than the other way around. I sit in Suzie Wong and admire the shows. I try to make eye contact with some girls that fit my idea of beauty and sexiness. Alas I seldom succeed with that strategy. So I keep quietly sipping my soda water and ponder the movement of the universe when more often than not, at a change of dancers, one of them (probably still only half -or less!- dressed) will pass by me and starts talking to me, or gives me a hug or take my hand and put it on her bum. I will offer her an LD and it will rarely take more than 30 minutes before we walk to my hotel for an LT. I don't ask for anything special: just straight sex in multiple positions, always safe and I don't even mind a covered BJ (although that is indeed rare). Speaking a few words of Thai helps clinching the deal. Making her laugh and whispering naughty things in her ear, don't harm either. Giving her some Thai kisses seems to surprise them in a good way. (Isn't it strange: they will not DFK in the club, but allow you to fondle their breasts and finger their pussy in public. I even once managed to lick a dancer's pussy on stage in Suzie Wong, to the cheer of the other dancers and patrons in the club). Thus laying the groundwork, the financial discussions then don't take long. Their initial offering is probably already within my price bracket, but agreeing immediately is not good form. A bit "pro forma" haggling, bringing the price down to an even more reasonable level and the deal is struck. If her price is *really* reasonable, I will offer her some food or something from the 7-11. By that time they know I never drink alcohol and have only soft drinks in the room, but in a strange way that seems OK to them. Some even told me that they actually don't like the alcohol and that the "whiskey" they drink is actually coca-cola and water. But maybe I attract a certain kind of girls,"like seeks like" or something.

Of course I "plan" beforehand the kind of girl I will fancy that night: say "small tits, trimmed pussy, long hair, long legs" or "C-cup tits, shaved pussy, curvy body", but if the girl that contacts me has 3 out of 4 or 2 out of 3 of the properties I planned for that night, I will not hesitate.

Is this a strategy that works for everybody? I doubt it. At my age, I'm happy to get a girl every other night on the average, so if I don't find anyone I fancy that is no big deal. If my hormone levels peak too high, there is always Eden Club or Annies to calm me down again.

My inability to find a girl for LT may have been because this was a sample of half a dozen girls at an equal number of gogo bars over the course of two evenings, fairly early in the evening and it was early December. Too small a sample to draw any conclusions. A decade ago my experience was that almost all the girls jumped on an opportunity for LT. Over the last couple of years I've been reading this was no longer the case. I wanted to test it for myself and got no takers. I also picked up a couple of FLs, one from Climax and one from Gulliver's, and neither of these wanted LT, though both asked for a repeat and gave me their contact info as they were leaving.

Whether it is with MPs or gogo I envy you guys living in Bangkok. Assuming you treat them well I imagine the girls see you as very desirable and as a bit more than just a customer.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1467661]Isn't it strange: they will not DFK in the club, but allow you to fondle their breasts and finger their pussy in public. I[/QUOTE]I once had a girl DFKing me at Thermae coffee shop, & one or two others plant a lip to lip kiss on me in public. I've also had one duck away from my attempted kiss. In general public affection is not considered proper in Thai society. You'll see some girls holding hands & that's about it. But in the dark world of gogo clubs there are exceptions. In general I do not find TGs are into DFK or any kind of Western smooching, as foreplay, although quite often they will even initiate it during sex when they are turned on. Or perhaps it's just a ploy to get a guy to come quickly.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1467661]By that time they know I never drink alcohol and have only soft drinks in the room, but in a strange way that seems OK to them. Some even told me that they actually don't like the alcohol and that the "whiskey" they drink is actually coca-cola and water. But maybe I attract a certain kind of girls,"like seeks like" or something.[/QUOTE]IME, almost entirely with streetwalkers, this is quite common, that they don't drink alcohol. I get the impression, for some reason, they are trying to be good Buddhists.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1467661]There is no rhyme or reason in these prices.[/QUOTE]This is completely and utterly true about ST and LT but folks will always gripe about paying too much or not paying "standard". LOL!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1467661]Have I just been lucky? I blame my good karma, of course.

Also, my most enjoyable experiences are with girls that have choosen me rather than the other way around. I sit in Suzie Wong and admire the shows. I try to make eye contact with some girls that fit my idea of beauty and sexiness. Alas I seldom succeed with that strategy. So I keep quietly sipping my soda water and ponder the movement of the universe when more often than not, at a change of dancers, one of them (probably still only half.or less- dressed) will pass by me and starts talking to me, or gives me a hug or take my hand and put it on her bum. I will offer her an LD and it will rarely take more than 30 minutes before we walk to my hotel for an LT.[/QUOTE]Yes you may have been lucky. I hope other do not take this as advice. There is one girl in SW with an odd shaped body, ordinary face, and ugly silicone Cs, fortunately I forget the name, however she is renowned for approaching customers uninvited. Yin Yang was with me and took a little time to get rid of her, being a very polite guy. Another buddy of mine S, failed to get rid of her, as he is too soft, and ended up taking her back to Hotel for a very crap session. So beware. Don't accept girls that choose you, should be the rule, if you have not given them any sign of interest at all.

Unfortunately some of the bar staff at SW can be a bit pushy these days, be it for drinks or bar fines. I just tell them I will leave if they hassle me and don't call any girls over till I say so (my regular girls are accepted). I don't like nagging! I used to like Sheba better as was more laid back style.

[QUOTE=Stevebny;1467836]This is completely and utterly true about ST and LT but folks will always gripe about paying too much or not paying "standard". LOL![/QUOTE]There is some reason to it. Its simply the match or mismatch between what the girl thinks she is worth or what she can get verses how much the guy thinks she is worth or how little he can get away with.

Sometimes there is a supply and demand effect causing different girls to charge different amounts, but supply / demand can work in reverse. When business is down for all the girls, they may put up the prices as they need to make more.

I think there is a correlation between the price and girl's looks but little correlation between the price and the performance, except that when I don't negotiate a price at all, I get more control to vary the payment based on how well she tried to please. Hence I vary between paying average and paying well. No point to tipping much extra if I do not intend to do the girl again, due to being rather weak or ordinary.

When superior looking girls are struggling to find guys that are willing to pay extra for their superior looks, I am suspecting that they form a plan to do super quickies (performing badly) in order to make more money from high turnover. I would prefer to pay more than standard and get a good duration with the hotter girls. There are some bars like the Rainbows where I would want to discuss the duration with the girl, e. G. 90 mins or 8 hours etc. No 30 min ST for me.

My last girl at Dollhouse was a super girl, super ass, super fuck. She said she normally does LT but was O.K. to do ST with me since I had to go to the airport afterwards. She would have got another customer after me for sure. Fabulous bar girls at good honest prices do exist and more than happy to go LT. Clearly likes fucking Farangs too. I will certainly call her to make a date before I return to Thailand, to avoid disappointment. Don't recall ever having a disappointing girl from Dollhouse, once I decided to take her, and I have taken at least 5 girls.

My preferred bars (all have full nudity for 50% of girls or more): Dollhouse, CrazyHouse (getting popular fast), Suzie Wong. Have tried Nana from time to time, but not found any bar that is sufficiently fun like the Cowboy bars, to keep pulling me back. I think I have just got used to a certain style. Baccara and Shark are more boring bars for me.

Hm, maybe I've been just lucky with my rather naive approach, but usually I always agree on ST first and then extend to LT if performance and chemistry ok. Provided I take her to my hotel and not to an ST place.

Never had a problem with that kind of "on-board upgrade." Ok, the LT upgrade premium after ST might give away a bit too much information if the girl actually likes me or not, being a bit too high in the latter case. Generally, I get quotes from LT=ST price plus "up to you" to double the ST price. Some reject the offer altogether of course (want to have more than one additional customer that night, party with friends with my money, tired of f*ing already.).

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1467973]Hm, maybe I've been just lucky with my rather naive approach, but usually I always agree on ST first and then extend to LT if performance and chemistry ok. Provided I take her to my hotel and not to an ST place.[/QUOTE]Interesting approach. Kind of like up-selling, which is weird because you're supposedly the buyer. For what it's worth, none of the ladies I talked to at the gogos would go back to my hotel. They would only go to the ST hotel down the corridor from the club. I ended up bar fining two. One was in a big hurry. Suck, suck, f*ck, f*ck, rush, rush, squirt! The other spent a very fun 90 minutes with me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1467849]My last girl at Dollhouse was a super girl, super ass, super fuck. She said she normally does LT but was okay to do ST with me since I had to go to the airport afterwards. She would have got another customer after me for sure. Fabulous bar girls at good honest prices do exist and more than happy to go LT. Clearly likes fucking Farangs too. I will certainly call her to make a date before I return to Thailand, to avoid disappointment. Don't recall ever having a disappointing girl from Dollhouse, once I decided to take her, and I have taken at least 5 girls.

My preferred bars (all have full nudity for 50% of girls or more) : Dollhouse, CrazyHouse (getting popular fast) , Suzie Wong. Have tried Nana from time to time, but not found any bar thatis sufficiently fun like the Cowboy bars, to keep pulling me back. I think I have just got used to a certain style. Baccara and Shark are more boring bars for me.[/QUOTE]Think I'll try Dollhouse this time round. Only places I have been to in Soi Cowboy are Baccara and Shark with mediocre to bad experiences in both.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467986]Interesting approach. Kind of like up-selling, which is weird because you're supposedly the buyer. For what it's worth, none of the ladies I talked to at the gogos would go back to my hotel. They would only go to the ST hotel down the corridor from the club.[/QUOTE]Not weird because it's up-buying rather than selling. It isn't weird to decide to stay longer in a hotel you like either, is it?

But recalling the cases in question, you're probably right too. Because at the NEP clubs it's now more likely that I take them to the ST hotel anyway because it's more convenient. For instance I think I never took a Rainbow girl to my hotel, and most didn't seem keen on it (unless hotel was very near). Renegotiated to LT with a girl from Soi Cowboy just recently though and with the odd freelancer before. So yes, it probably depends a lot on the venue and of course on the girl if they're interested in LT at all.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1468014]Not weird because it's up-buying rather than selling. It isn't weird to decide to stay longer in a hotel you like either, is it?

But recalling the cases in question, you're probably right too. Because at the NEP clubs it's now more likely that I take them to the ST hotel anyway because it's more convenient. For instance I think I never took a Rainbow girl to my hotel, and most didn't seem keen on it (unless hotel was very near). Renegotiated to LT with a girl from Soi Cowboy just recently though and with the odd freelancer before. So yes, it probably depends a lot on the venue and of course on the girl if they're interested in LT at all.[/QUOTE]Didn't mean to imply I thought there was anything weird about what you are doing. I think it's rather clever. I meant we are all familiar with up-selling. You cunningly turned the tables and "up-bought" as you put it.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1467841]So beware. Don't accept girls that choose you, should be the rule, if you have not given them any sign of interest at all.[/QUOTE]IME with streetwalkers I would not make such a rule. There is none. But maybe gogos are different.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1467986]Interesting approach. Kind of like up-selling, which is weird because you're supposedly the buyer. For what it's worth, none of the ladies I talked to at the gogos would go back to my hotel. They would only go to the ST hotel down the corridor from the club. I ended up bar fining two. One was in a big hurry. Suck, suck, f*ck, f*ck, rush, rush, squirt! The other spent a very fun 90 minutes with me.[/QUOTE]That is clear sign the girl wants quickie. Not recommended. Becoming a trend in rainbow bars I fear.

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[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1468191]That is clear sign the girl wants quickie. Not recommended. Becoming a trend in rainbow bars I fear.

In[/QUOTE]Good observation. As always, you know what you're talking about. In the future I'd be inclined to pass on a girl who is only willing to go to a ST hotel; however, the funny thing is I had a great 90 minutes in the ST hotel with the one girl. I've written about her before. She was a real sweetie and was actually taking me to her room. She clearly lived in the ST hotel room we played in. She seemed almost afraid to leave NEP.

[quote=paul kausch;1468228]good observation. as always, you know what you're talking about. in the future i'd be inclined to pass on a girl who is only willing to go to a st hotel; however, the funny thing is i had a great 90 minutes in the st hotel with the one girl. i've written about her before. she was a real sweetie and was actually taking me to her room. she clearly lived in the st hotel room we played in. she seemed almost afraid to leave nep.[/quote]the other reason is **** girls are scared to go to hotel where i'd will be checked.

[quote=syzygies;1468237]the other reason is **** girls are scared to go to hotel where i'd will be checked.[/quote]this girl looked to be mid-twenties and khmer.

[quote=syzygies;1468237]the other reason is **** girls are scared to go to hotel where i'd will be checked.[/quote]wouldn't make a difference because they now also check i'd at the st hotel an nep (at least the one down the corridor from r4). seems to be a new procedure though, at least i can't recall they did that before.

[quote=syzygies;1468191]that is clear sign the girl wants quickie. not recommended. becoming a trend in rainbow bars i fear.[/quote]True, I'm afraid, got that impression too last time. report to follow.

[quote=yin yang;1468290]wouldn't make a difference because they now also check i'd at the st hotel an nep (at least the one down the corridor from r4). seems to be a new procedure though, at least i can't recall they did that before.[/quote]probably related to the **** bust that occurred a few weeks ago.

by the way i hear some of the nep bars are back to topless and birthday suits. any confirmations? guess they've reached an "understanding" with the authorities, ha ha.

[quote=paul kausch;1468481]probably related to the **** bust that occurred a few weeks ago.[/quote]i didn't think the more well known gogo-bars would employ ****, but for sure they do. i heard about one of the more famous / classic places in soi cowboy the other day. a girl aged 16, i even have a face picture of her. really cute, and could go for 18, but is only 16. and from what i heard, there are more girls under 18 in this bar.

[quote=paul kausch;1468481]probably related to the **** bust that occurred a few weeks ago.by the way i hear some of the nep bars are back to topless and birthday suits. any confirmations? guess they've reached an "understanding" with the authorities, ha ha.[/quote]once the tsunami is over, waters calm down.

[quote=dextro sol;1468518]i didn't think the more well known gogo-bars would employ ****, but for sure they do. i heard about one of the more famous / classic places in soi cowboy the other day. a girl aged 16, i even have a face picture of her. really cute, and could go for 18, but is only 16. and from what i heard, there are more girls under 18 in this bar.[/quote]i've heard the nep and soi cowboy gogo bars traditionally have tried to avoid employing **** girls, but the bars are now in such fierce competition for bar girls, some take desperate actions. my experiences over the years are that the **** girls are most often found in the "thai-centric venues" where youth sells for a premium.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1468247]This girl looked to be mid-twenties and Khmer.[/QUOTE]If she is not a Thai, that could be yet another problem.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang;1468290]Wouldn't make a difference because they now also check I'd at the ST hotel an NEP (at least the one down the corridor from R4). Seems to be a new procedure though, at least I can't recall they did that before.[/QUOTE]okay The ST Hotels in Cowboy area don't check. Some bars have upstairs fucking rooms too.

[quote=paul kausch;1468535]i've heard the nep and soi cowboy gogo bars traditionally have tried to avoid employing **** girls, but the bars are now in such fierce competition for bar girls, some take desperate actions. my experiences over the years are that the **** girls are most often found in the "thai-centric venues" where youth sells for a premium.[/quote]i don't see much evidence of the avoiding. the japanese customers like it too much. these girls need the money and do not wish to suffer from discrimination. everyone wants the right to work.

when taksin came to power (not yingluck) , the **** and foreign girls were swept out of the mps and bars. that lasted for a little while and then things gradually moved back to the old ways. however there are far less non thais than originally. a lot of "thai yai" (not thai and not normal burmese) from mountains of northern myanmar used to work in soapies many years ago. not so much now. the mps are generally better behaved these days. many not taking ****. okay there are exceptions like nataree.

there is the odd girl in bars that does not go with customers at all. even if they are ****, that is not the reason. its unlikely they are virgins. usually means they have a boyfriend already and have agreed not to fuck for money. these girls are usually working for drinks / tips. it then becomes slightly interesting to see what they will agree to, for how much tip lol. i often feel their main issue is being seen by others to do something naughty rather than the actual doing. will the bf find out? will their reputation be tarnished? lol

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1468624]If she is not a Thai, that could be yet another problem.[/QUOTE]That was my thought. She stuck out in Bangkok, would have looked right at home in Phnom Penh.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1468631]I don't see much evidence of the avoiding. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the primer.

[quote=syzygies; 1468631]i don't see much evidence of the avoiding. the japanese customers like it too much. these girls need the money and do not wish to suffer from discrimination. everyone wants the right to work.

when taksin came to power (not yingluck) , the **** and foreign girls were swept out of the mps and bars. that lasted for a little while and then things gradually moved back to the old ways. however there are far less non thais than originally. a lot of "thai yai" (not thai and not normal burmese) from mountains of northern myanmar used to work in soapies many years ago. not so much now. the mps are generally better behaved these days. many not taking ****. okay there are exceptions like nataree.

there is the odd girl in bars that does not go with customers at all. even if they are ****, that is not the reason. its unlikely they are virgins. usually means they have a boyfriend already and have agreed not to fuck for money. these girls are usually working for drinks / tips. it then becomes slightly interesting to see what they will agree to, for how much tip lol. i often feel their main issue is being seen by others to do something naughty rather than the actual doing. will the bf find out? will their reputation be tarnished? lol[/quote]i know of a bar in udonthani that has a girl that will not go with customers she looks 14 year old.

everybody tell me she is 21 year old.

i just don't know.

her nick name is baby in bar?

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Day 1.

Landed BKK 10pm, met my wingman at Airport for my first trip to BKK. Exchanged about $200 (6100 Baht) at the port to get me started Ride from BKK to Soi Cowboy area was about 30 min by taxi. About 400 baht plus tolls.

Jasmine Executive suites was a quick checkin with an awesome view of Soi Cowboy. The hotel is literally 150 yards from one entrance to Soi Cowboy. I highly recommend at $81US per night for a one bedroom suite with and great corner bathroom with windows overlooking the city. The girls I have brought back love that bath!

Got settled in, showered, changed and met my wingy in the lobby. He has been to BKK 10+ times so I let him lead the way. Walked to Suzy Wongs. Since this was my first trip to BKK not know exactly what to expect I was very happy when we walk behind the curtain. Read reports and saw pictures but nothing really prepares you for the sheer awe of being here. The girls were on stage, some interested in dancing some just swaying, were completely naked and it was a good view of the goods. My pal and I bing a bit tired were just planning on having a quick look / walk around to see if there was anything we liked. Mama sat us near the back of the seating area and we grabbed 2 drinks. After a quick toast in celebration of finally making it to BKK 2 girls catch our eyes. His girls, I honestly cannot remember, was a nice Cambodian and mine was as well. My girls name was Koh but nick names Lin I later found out. We talk / negotiate for a LT. 3000K plus BF and LDs. And we are off. I had literally walk out of the airport 1 hour prior and I was heading back with a hot girl to my room.

As I said the girls loved the room with the bathroom view. Lin started the bath while I cleaned up valuables in the room. Into the safe and I was stripping down and hopped in. She washed me and I washed her and BBBJ commenced. I was looking out over the city in the tub in a dark room getting my dick sucked. Needless to say I was in heaven. She did that for a good 15 min. I stated to rub her and mutual touching moved to the bed. I started to rub her pussy and us a nice technique to get her to orgasm. It worked after about 5 min of slow effort and I was off to the races. Cover mish, dog standing and I shot all over her back while she was standing in front of the window. She showers and we both got to sleep. I wake with the morning wood around 7am and started to rub her puss. She starts BBBJ no CIM. So I shot it on her chin. LOL That will teach her not to catch it. She though we were done. OH NO. Had another 30 min session pounding her sweet ass until I could not anymore. Finally shot last load on her belly and she showers and leaves.

I shower and go get breakfast in the lobby with my Wingman.

Day 2.

Wingy had some errands to run so I tagged along. Got $800 exchanged for 32. 13 near the hotel. Walked to the 7-11 bought a prepaid sim for my unlocked old flip phone. The girl behind the counter set it up and I was off! Walked down Sukhumvit Road looked at a few shops and got measured to a couple of new tailored shirts for $28 a piece.

Wingman proceeds to say after a long flight."time for a good thai legit massage" So he walks me to Lavana and we get a 3 hr combo Thai, Scrub and oil massage for 1200 baht. $30US for an unreal massage. Nice place and it was a perfect cure for some of the stress from the previous days long flights.

Went back to hotel after picking up food and water for the room. Wing bought party supplies for a party Sat night that we planned to have. He was going to make jello shots and we brought prizes for 4 lucky girls. Yet to be named or found for that matter. Plan was to get 4 girls and play beer / drink pong, truth or dare games. Etc. So he picks up his supplies and the supermarket not far from the hotel.

Dinner at the Argentinian Steakhouse. Very good but pricey. Then Patpong for some shopping. Looked through the tons of street vendors and then ducked in to Kings Palace (I think that was the name) Cute girls but BF was too high so we moved back to Soi Cowboy. By this time it was 11:30pm so we hit Shark and Baccara. The glass floor at Baccarra was neat but the music was so loud and it was so packed that we left for Shark. Shark was ok. Girls were decent but each fish we pulled got turned back for price or no LT. So we move back to Suzy Wongs.

Wingman and I sit for 30 min watching and having a few drinks. Finally we pull a few. I pull Pam and he pulls a cute 20 yr old. He starts to solidify his needs and finds out she and her friend will be good to go for Sat party. They like lesbian action and we like to watch and participate so it is a win-win!

While he gets that set up Pam and I talk and negotiate. She is a bit high but I found her interesting. LT we agree on 3000 if she does all that I ask and we have a nice evening session. I had bought to Kamagra Jelly and I was looking forward to trying it out. She agrees and we are off. Wingy pulls a girl and we are off.

Back at the suite. She loves the bathroom and we take a long bath together. Window open and the lights out it was very nice. BBBJCIM. I rejuvenate in the tub while she brushes her teeth and hops back in. Kissing and mutual touching and we move to the bed. This girl cums just by sucking on her ample breasts. Its was too easy and she kept getting wetter and wetter down there. She loved to fuck. We did it in every position imaginable and with the windows open. She loved that and I think it made it even more enjoyable for her. I was a sweaty mess and so was she. I had to slow up a bit since the condom, beer and the previous pop was dulling my senses. She revs me up again and she said "I want you cum inside this time" I salp on a new condom and off to the races deep and hard. She just kept shuttering and her eyes rolled back a few times until I blew inside. I roll over spent. She laid there for a good 15 min with her leg and arm over me until she gets up to shower. By this time it was 4am. She sleeps for a few hours until 7am and I poke her one more time before she heads home. Gave her 3500 for being a good fuck and I start getting ready for Day 3.

Day 3.

Today was a sightseeing day first. So we got up and took the sky train to Saphan Taksin from Asok. 150 Baht for the tourist ferry down the river to The Grand Palace. These are large boats and efficiently move people around on the river. When I boarded all I could think of was a scene from Hangover II when Stu sings "Living here in Allentown". If you have seen the movie you will know what I mean. The Palace was beautiful and tons of tourists of course. Wingy said "ya came this far you ought to see some of the temples and palaces" He had a point. You travel this far why not.

After a few hours of sight seeing we head back to the hotel for an afternoon of mongering. Eden to be precise. (edenbangkok dot com / services/). We walk from the hotel. 10 min walk and pop some jelly while we walk. BTW. This jelly stuff works and I did not get the side effects that I normally get with Viagra. I love that stuff. Eden was to be a full on 2 girl 90 min. Session massage. Picked the first girl and had her pick the second (wingman's idea and a good one since that allowed the chosen one to pick a girl she likes). Do not ask me there names since I am horrible at remembering names. Wingman and I decided to get the big room and share it as a party room. So off we all 6 go. Room had 2 king beds and a long shower stall. We all get naked and step in for a good scrub in the shower. My girls take care of me and wingman's take care of him. I finished first and laid down on the bed for BBBJ from both girls. They we asked them to do each other while my primary pick does a BBBJ. They had porn of the TV in the room which was a nice plus while soaking up what was going on. Mirrors everywhere as well. Then I bend over #2 doggie and I switch back an forth for the next 60 min until #1 gets a protein shake. Wingman is still going to town on his girls. They called him "superman". LOL. So I hit the showers and my #1 and #2 scrub me down. We come back and he is still pounding away as I start my massage. The girls finished up with a 30 min massage but I could have gone again if I wanted to. Wingman finishes with about 20 minutes left and he opts for a massage as well. Overall observation. It was an experience, on a scale of 1-10 a 7. Mostly due to the multiple girl action that is a bucket list type thing. The girls are 5-7's no stunners but some solid girls.

Back to the hotels for a couple hour nap before our dinner dates with a couple Bangkok VIP Models. My Avatar, as of writing this, is the girl that I had requested. We both decided that we might as well splurge on a almost guaranteed high quality girl. The night was supposed to be filled with Dinner, dancing and the evening room activities for both girls but it turned out that my girl, Gina, could only do a max session of 4 hours. So we still all had dinner and after Gina and I graciously took our leave of my wingman and Anna then headed back to the hotel. There we did the normal activities but just on a shortened timetable. Shower, BBBJ, DATY, and multiple positions with this nice tight lady that does enjoy sex. We go for a short round hard and fast and I popped fairly quick. Clean up and she offers more but I declined since I knew that my time was close to being up and I was tired from the night before. I was dealing with only 2 hours sleep from the night before. It was time for me to go sleepy.

Day 4.

Morning was filled with running a few errands, getting dollars exchanged and party prep. Today was the day of our party. We had prizes, food and fun planned. As well did errands we stopped into a foot massage place and got a foot massage for 60 min = 250 baht. A good way to start out a day of walking Bangkok. Got supplies and after a morning of walking and viewing the Sukhumvit area it was time for a nap. HOT day today and a hotter one planned for tonight.

Note about the Hotel. Jasmine Executive suites. The location is so good. The proximity to Soi Cowboy, Skytrain and the Subway is hard to beat.

7pm rolls around and it was my job to go pick up the 2 girls, Bee and Bo that my wingman had "reserved" at Suzie Wongs earlier in the week. One problem. We needed a 3rd girl to round out our 4 for the party. So I get to Suzie Wongs and start looking for Bee and Bo. After 2 minutes Koh comes over and we start talking and I asked her if she would be interested in a party in our room. She said "YAH". Since I had a very good experience with Koh on Wednesday I thought I would give her a try again! So barfined 3 girls for 1800 baht and headed back to the party room.

Arrived a few minutes later and wingman had the food, drinks and party bags out for the girls to view as they walked in. All 3 shrieked with joy. We had beer / drink pong where some cups had prize bags where the girls could win unknown items. Cash, sex toys, candy, underwear. So the girls, Ann, Koh, Bee and Bo are sitting on the couch talking and getting to know each other. Nice sight and I knew we were going to have one of those BKK nights to remember. Jello shots started appearing from the fridge so we all had 2-3 of those and I mixed up a few drinks for the girls.

After about 15 minutes of all of us laughing and getting to know each other we started round one of beer / drink pong. This round had underwear as the prizes. If the girls hit a cup with a number then they got the party bag as it corresponds to the number. If they missed a cup then take a drink. We had 3 rounds to go through. After each girl had a good time competing they all got a bag and opened their bags up and had to model the underwear for us, the judges. They could do anything to influence the judges, and I mean anything. So wingman and I picked a winner after a run off. You have to draw out the competition since we were on the receiving end of the influence. The girls were loosening up at this point and having a ton of fun. They asked Wingman and I to model our underwear so we did and hilarity ensued. Then Wingman and I picked 2 numbers from a hat that corresponded to each girl. Once we picked 2 girls then they were told they need to shower with the person that picked them. I got Bo and Koh. They scrubbed me and a little BBBJ in the shower. Bo was only 20 so she was a little taken and shy having so many people watching. She was still a little clammed up but OK. Koh was very good. She just jumped in, had a great time and took it all in stride.

Round 2 had sex toys and the girls were told to use once we moved to the bedroom. They were shocked with a few of the toys.

Round 3 and final round had cash, a sex position scratch off and chocolates. They all loved this round since it added more cash to their stacks. We did not add much just a few baht but the appreciated it and now the party was starting to get into high gear. They all had 2 hours to get some drinks food and into the mood.

In the bedroom Bee and Bo a few days ago said they would do a lesbian show. They stripped the underwear of and laid on the bed and started. Wingman and I got the other 2 girls undressed and we all laid on the King bed with Bee and Bo in the middle, Wingman started "assisting" Bo with some DATY and was getting more treatment from his girl Ann. I started to play with Bee and Koh on the other side of the bed. For the rest of the 2 hours you can use your imagination. But needless to say multiple girls we went through about 10+ condoms. Observation . Bee and Bo were only 20 years old and it showed. They looked very out of place and taken back even though they agreed to doing these things I think they did not realize the enormity of the night until they arrived and things started to progress. Koh and Ann were awesome! They were 3 or so years older but very much so experienced.

After 4. 5 hours of fun Wingman and I decided to cut Bee and Bo loose since they were just not up for our wants and needs. They were OK but not what I wanted to spend the night with. So we pay them and let them go home. Ann and Koh stayed for LT. We go get some dinner across the street at Love Scene. The girls ate a big meal and they deserved it. They worked their asses of and I know Koh had 4 orgasms and Ann had at least 3. I did not get to partake of Ann during the party but I watched and knew that my wingman was just as lucky as I was. We go to the bar at the end of Soi Cowboy for a few beers and dancing. After a few we head back to my room for round. Whatever round it was. She could not stay all night with me she said which was fine I negotiated a lower rate and we laid on my bed. I have her on her stomach giving her a back rub. As I am doing that the jelly kicks in and we are off to the races. I pounded her while she was on her belly for a while. Blow a load on her back. She cleans up and I cut her loose. WOW. Fucking Bangkok.

Day 5 and 6.

Day 5 was pretty standard. Relaxed a bit went to Lavana as well. Decided to hit Nana at 5pm.

Wingman pick up Nok at the bar on the right as you enter. Cute little 26 yr old. I head up to Spankys with them nothing to see and walk over to Angelwitch. Find a girl and we negotiate but 4000 was her floor. No for me.

Back to Soi Cowboy and Suzie Wongs with wingman and Nok in tow. I look around and ask to see some of the ones that I have had previous. Almost all of them were off that day. Darn I wanted to take Pam or Koh. I see a 19 yr old on the stage and wave her over. Her name was Not. Really small and pretty new to the game I found out the hard way. We did settle on a price and activities and we were off to have a few drinks in my Wingman's room. We played some games. Strip coin flip and beer pong again to give out the remaining panties. Both Not and Nok were very shy until the drinks started kicking in. Unfortunately I was on of the first ones down to my birthday suit and when it came for the girls time to take the last article of clothing off they both chickened out! Damn. I really wanted to see wingman's girls. She was hot and had a great peronality. My girl on the other hand I could see that she was so new and sooooo shy that it was going to be a struggle to get her to get comfortable. So we all decide around 2am to head to our respective rooms. Back in the room Not took a shower and I followed her in. She looked a bit confused but I washed her down. She did not do me the same. Warning. Warning. On the bed started DATY and then popped up for air. She was so small and tight that I had trouble in even with some lube. So after some very slow entries we were off. Needless to say I could not go to deep since she was grimacing for much of the deed. So I flip her on her side and enter from the side. She said a little better and at that point I said "fuck it" so I start thrusts to match her backing up and she screamed a few times and I blow a load on her ass.

Day 6.

Not was up early and was stalling in the shower. So when she came back I cut my loses and told her to go home. Gave her the agreed fee but said "You might want to try a new job" That night I told Mamasan at Suzy Wongs that not needs guidance or she is going to get a not so nice guy that will find her timid refusals once in the room to be a major issue after agreeing to do certain things inside the bar.

Headed down to breakfast and find that I am really jealous of the wingmans night and his beautiful girl. They were eating breakfast and he later told me the fun. WOW. Good for him.

The rest of the day was filled with working on a few business items for me and a nap then Poseidon. Took the subway 5 stops to where Poseidon was located. Walked in and was shuttled to the elevator to the 3rd floor. There the girls were 4k and when we walked in no other customers were there. The girls just sat in their chairs and looked at their phones and did not even budge. Wingman and I said."OK next floor" Went to floor 2 where the 2700 to 3000 baht girls were. We both grabbed a drink and pick a few from the fishbowl and went up for a 2 hr soapie. I had a good experience and the girls was a 7 out of 10 so that mad it more enjoyable. Typical stuff quick massage, Bath / soapie and Boom Boom. I napped after for apparently just a few minutes and then we all left after wingman finished.

WIngman said lets go see Nok again to tell her something. OK. After he talked to her he started thinking that he would BF her again. After we did not see anything at Gulliver's he calls her and we head to suzie wongs for my final pull. I get Koh since she was a great performer. We heap up to Wingman's room again for drinks and strip card. Koh loved the fun we were having but wanted to get my wingmans back massager and head back tot he room. So we did. I was all ready to go and jumped into the shower for some heavy petting and she looks down. We just discover that her monthly was starting! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I said " This is not good" she said "I have other ways" and I said "it better be anal" and she nodded. Close one I thought I was going to have to throw her back but no. I play in the shower and throw on a condom for anal. WOAH tight. Too tight. I pop in about 10 min and we go lay down for sleepy.

I am checking out of my hotel now so this is the last of the tales. Until we meet again Bangkok. Here endeth the lesson.

Was staying near Nana anyway last week and had some free time after meeting a friend, so decided to make an excursion to NEP. I didn't have much time and knew that selection would take a while so I went straight to Rainbow 4 because (for me) it's still the best bet around there. I was placed directly at the non-nude stage, which I don't like much because you get a stiff neck from staring up. Ok, so had to look the other way instead toward the topless stage most of the time. It still took a long time and two changes of the line-up until I could figure out two cutes. Alas, extremely lacklustre dance performance as usual at R4.

Neither of them really made me jump out of my seat but at least they matched the basic criteria, cute face, slim, no or few tats. They were 7 to 8s but of course I was looking for more. Approaching 11:30pm I had to make a choice and instead of going through a list of selection criteria I simply went for the more interesting hairstyle. It's rare to see a nice short haircut and #40-something, could've been 48 or 46, had quite an interesting asymmetrical bob, Rihanna-style before she changed her hair. Very little English but cute enough, Northeastern, sharp facial features, nice body with a bit of boobs, maybe a small B. Great smile once she left the stage. She was quickly talked down from 2500 to 2000 but I would tip for good performance of course.

Well, that didn't quite happen because as soon as we entered the room in the ST hotel, she was all rushed. It began with commenting on the size of my member. Always glad to hear otherwise but it ain't that big after all. But she insisted and so a "you finish quick, jaeb" session followed. After some handwork the condom came on and I thought "OK, CBJ, not so great." But instead: no BJ but straight to the action. Also fine, I could live with that horny as I was. But also no kissing. Well that's like sex with a condom! OK, maybe put it differently: It's like a condom without sex! I still took my time and otherwise her movements were OK, so not exactly a starfish. In the end no kiss no tip, sorry. But obviously she didn't mind. Seems like you better discuss all aspects of service before nowadays, which I hate.

So overall performance 6/10 for a cute face and good body but not so good attitude and performance.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang;1468825]So overall performance 6/10 for a cute face and good body but not so good attitude and performance.[/QUOTE]That's why I've pretty much written off R4. I always stop in and sometimes twice in my hunt but I never pull. And I generally only pull from NaNa.

Many lookers but none have ever passed my fairly comprehensive interview processs. But then I only take LT so need to be more discerning.

In fact they usually fail early in the questioning and end up leaving a perfectly good sugar water drink untouched.

R4 girls get hardened very early in their "careers".

Back in BKK with a couple of mates late December and while I'm not keen on bar girls, I'm willing to give it another go, especially with a newbie to BKK with us. I prefer to know what I'm getting, with reviewed escorts that will ride your head off, cost doesn't worry me.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear "interview techniques" from the regular BKK guys. I don't see any examples in ROD etc. And think it would be good for all newbies.

Day 2.

While he gets that set up Pam and I talk and negotiate. She is a bit high but I found her interesting. LT we agree on 3000 if she does all that I ask and we have a nice evening session. I had bought to Kamagra Jelly and I was looking forward to trying it out. She agrees and we are off. Wingy pulls a girl and we are off.

Back at the suite. She loves the bathroom and we take a long bath together. Window open and the lights out it was very nice. BBBJCIM. I rejuvenate in the tub while she brushes her teeth and hops back in. Kissing and mutual touching and we move to the bed. This girl cums just by sucking on her ample breasts. Its was too easy and she kept getting wetter and wetter down there. She loved to fuck. We did it in every position imaginable and with the windows open. She loved that and I think it made it even more enjoyable for her. I was a sweaty mess and so was she. I had to slow up a bit since the condom, beer and the previous pop was dulling my senses. She revs me up again and she said "I want you cum inside this time" I salp on a new condom and off to the races deep and hard. She just kept shuttering and her eyes rolled back a few times until I blew inside. I roll over spent. She laid there for a good 15 min with her leg and arm over me until she gets up to shower. By this time it was 4am. She sleeps for a few hours until 7am and I poke her one more time before she heads home. Gave her 3500 for being a good fuck and I start getting ready for Day 3.

Day 3.

Wow this is why I like udonthani I get the same as you but for only 1,500 bt LT.

When I am in BBK I only get ST for 1,500.

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1468951]Back in BKK with a couple of mates late December and while I'm not keen on bar girls, I'm willing to give it another go, especially with a newbie to BKK with us. I prefer to know what I'm getting, with reviewed escorts that will ride your head off, cost doesn't worry me.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear "interview techniques" from the regular BKK guys. I don't see any examples in ROD etc. And think it would be good for all newbies.[/QUOTE]I don't think you have to use any ridiculous interview technique, you're bartering for a blowjob, not looking to hire her for project management at Microsoft. Just go off of body language. If she is smiling and feeling you up, flicking your ear with her tongue, and maybe shoving a teat in your face, you're golden.

If she has a look of either boredom or disgust, you might want to choose another girl or consider purchasing stronger underarm deodorant

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1468881]R4 girls get hardened very early in their "careers".[/QUOTE]Perhaps, but I've had good encounters there before, for instance last year with a girl named Roong, yes, as in "Rainbow" (doesn't seem to work there anymore). My sample from R4 is just too small to generalize but from what I've read here as well, it may be true that you must be lucky to pull a good one there. And certainly many R4 girls have an attitude that puts me off. And they fail during small talk. The one I was referring to in my post seemed to be alright though, the not so good part came later.

Funny side note: The not-so-hardened bar staff offered me a free condom upon departure because I left a tip. Nice gesture, or maybe the beginning of a new anti-STD policy?

[QUOTE=Yin Yang; 1469245]Perhaps, but I've had good encounters there before, for instance last year with a girl named Roong, yes, as in "Rainbow" (doesn't seem to work there anymore). My sample from R4 is just too small to generalize but from what I've read here as well, it may be true that you must be lucky to pull a good one there. And certainly many R4 girls have an attitude that puts me off. And they fail during small talk. The one I was referring to in my post seemed to be alright though, the not so good part came later.

Funny side note: The not-so-hardened bar staff offered me a free condom upon departure because I left a tip. Nice gesture, or maybe the beginning of a new anti-STD policy?[/QUOTE]I am impressed that you know Roong means "Rainbow". I suppose she told you.

I did get a nice girl LT from R4 once. Another time, I called over a hot looking dancer. Turned out she was off her head. Probably drugs. She was not very happy when I tried to get rid of her, but no way was going with a druggie. Have had a hot girl wanting quickie too. I think they have a broad range of girl types, but it is important to take time to get a good one.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1469077]I don't think you have to use any ridiculous interview technique, you're bartering for a blowjob, not looking to hire her for project management at Microsoft. Just go off of body language. If she is smiling and feeling you up, flicking your ear with her tongue, and maybe shoving a teat in your face, you're golden.

If she has a look of either boredom or disgust, you might want to choose another girl or consider purchasing stronger underarm deodorant[/QUOTE]Yeh. I don't think we have any prescribed interview technique. Its mostly small talk. I mainly ask the girl things that appeal to me at the time. Ask the girl about herself as most girls like to talk about themselves, but don't get too deeply personal, and keep it light hearted. Don't push on subjects that are not comfortable to her.

How long has she been in the bar? What did she used to do? Any children yet? How old is she? What district does she live in. Live with parents or not? Procedures in the bar? Are her customers mostly Farang or Japanese? Etc. From answers, you get other things to talk about. Could be her pet dog, or her daughter or whatever. Of course half the time I will be answering her questions. If girls ask too many mundane questions that I don't think they really want to know the answers to, it puts me off a little. The more natural the conversation, the better. Its a good idea to joke around a lot and so I try not to be very serious about anything. Girls tend to like customers that are a little bit funny at times.

Remember just that the idea is for both of you to have fun, if possible. So I am looking for fun girls, not purely business like girls. Can be good to buy a girl a couple of Tequilas to loosen her up, but be careful not to get her drunk. My aim is to get a girl that will enjoy her sex work perhaps more than what she expected to.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1469306]I am impressed that you know Roong means "Rainbow". I suppose she told you.[/QUOTE]Actually, I don't know anymore. I might have looked it up later though because coming to think of it, I would have reckoned she was taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of me."Rainbow" working at "Rainbow." Well, stage name anyway I guess.

[QUOTE=Yin Yang;1469356]Actually, I don't know anymore. I might have looked it up later though because coming to think of it, I would have reckoned she was taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of me."Rainbow" working at "Rainbow." Well, stage name anyway I guess.[/QUOTE]No no. Rung is indeed a common (well not rare anyway) Thai nickname. Unlikely to be chosen at the bar but possible. My buddy caught the pox from a different Rung in Soi Cowboy.

MP girls use stage names more than bar girls, e.g. Ice, Jazz, Wine, Champagne, Nestle, Rose, View, Yumi, Yuki, Miki, etc. These are western words or Japanese names. Often the Thais cannot even pronounce them.

[QUOTE=Rockhound74; 1468811]Day 1.

Landed BKK 10pm, met my wingman at Airport for my first trip to BKK. Exchanged about $200 (6100 Baht) at the port to get me started Ride from BKK to Soi Cowboy area was about 30 min by taxi. About 400 baht plus tolls.

Jasmine Executive suites was a quick checkin with an awesome view of Soi Cowboy. The hotel is literally 150 yards from one entrance to Soi Cowboy. I highly recommend at $81US per night for a one bedroom suite with and great corner bathroom with windows overlooking the city. The girls I have brought back love that bath!

Detailed nice report of some clean fun.[/QUOTE]I hope to travel with my side kick girl to Bangkok next week and looking for a foursome. Male for her and female for me. Any suggestion? Thank you if you can help.

Tonight there is going to be a big meeting at Suzie Wong at 6 PM. All staff are called in by the big boss. There has been to much fighting among the girls lately and she want this to stop. So if you are interested to see all the girls working there you should be there by the time they open tonight at 7 PM.

[QUOTE=Gringo147; 1468951]Back in BKK with a couple of mates late December and while I'm not keen on bar girls, I'm willing to give it another go, especially with a newbie to BKK with us. I prefer to know what I'm getting, with reviewed escorts that will ride your head off, cost doesn't worry me.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear "interview techniques" from the regular BKK guys. I don't see any examples in ROD etc. And think it would be good for all newbies.[/QUOTE]These chicks can be great actors and very manipulative if they've been in the game for a while. Maybe the interview turns out great but in the room they change up their attitude. I tend to go for who have just started p4p and treat them nicely. They're filled with a lot of uncertainty going with customers and when you-turn out not to be a douche they reciprocate. You won't get this with hardcore chicks.

Thailand newb here.I am arriving in Bangkok on the 10th to begin a two week vacation in Thailand (splitting it up among Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Pattaya). I read through most of the threads in the Thailand forum and am planning on visiting NEP and Soi Cowboy per all of your suggestions. Are there any other places I should definitely hit up? Also, not having much experience doing this, are there any pitfalls that I should look out for as a solo punter?

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1469669]These chicks can be great actors and very manipulative if they've been in the game for a while. Maybe the interview turns out great but in the room they change up their attitude. I tend to go for who have just started p4p and treat them nicely. They're filled with a lot of uncertainty going with customers and when you-turn out not to be a douche they reciprocate. You won't get this with hardcore chicks.[/QUOTE]Does "hard-core" mean having long experience or nasty or jaded or what?

I think you generalise too much. Bow and Dtom at Suzie Wong have been bar girls for many years and very experienced. Dtom will admit that no one licks pussy in the lesbian show better than her. Both are lovely girls and always perform great GFE. Trully nice girls can remain really nice with nice customers, no matter how many years they have been doing it. Well worth taking both of these girls together if they are available. Neither has big tits. These girls are not actresses much with me. They understand well that I like them to be their normal selves and big bullshit is not necessary. They really have fun doing the lesbian stuff and are close friends and fuck buddies and so could be classified as semi-bi-sexuals. Lai is a big bullshit girl in the same bar, and I don't like her at all.

I think the attitude of girls is not that dependent on whether they are new or long term. Sure newbies are more unsure of how to act. Experienced girls can sum up the customer quicker. All of them can warm to the customer willing to make things "fun" rather than too serious.

I am sure other ISGers will know Bow and attest that she is one of the nicest bargirls you could meet despite being at SW on and off for 8 years perhaps. Experience gives them certain self confidence that they know how to do great BBBJ etc. Newbies sometimes aren't so good in technique.

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1469589]Tonight there is going to be a big meeting at Suzie Wong at 6 PM. All staff are called in by the big boss. There has been to much fighting among the girls lately and she want this to stop. So if you are interested to see all the girls working there you should be there by the time they open tonight at 7 PM.[/QUOTE]LOL Yes I had heard that Knot's younger sister had been off work for a while after some injury from a fight with another girl. Could have been some problems after Sheba and Suzi bars merged. The style of the 2 bars was a bit different.

Usually the problems stem from one girl accusing another girl of trying to steal her customer, as though there was any ownership. Of course the customers have other ideas and want to be free to pick any girl they feel like. So a small number of stupid girls can spoil the bar if they get too out of control. Of course they can be very drunk too. So after the odd incident from time to time, its wise for management to read the riot act. Any girl caught with Ice or Yaa Baa will be fired.

[QUOTE=ArcadiaEgo;1469678]Thailand newb here.I am arriving in Bangkok on the 10th to begin a two week vacation in Thailand (splitting it up among Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Pattaya). I read through most of the threads in the Thailand forum and am planning on visiting NEP and Soi Cowboy per all of your suggestions. Are there any other places I should definitely hit up? Also, not having much experience doing this, are there any pitfalls that I should look out for as a solo punter?[/QUOTE]As a newb, give Patpong a wide berth: you are far too likely to get scammed and everything what is there can be found in NEP or Soi Cowboy too.

My personal favourite is Soi Cowboy which I find less a hassle than NEP. Also a lot less ladyboys in Soi Cowboy ("Cockatoo" excepted) than NEP. Do take a look in Baccara with its famous glass floor and hordes of Japanese spending their baht on the girls. Afterskool in Soi Cowboy is home of the "naughty boys corner" where BJs are given in semi-public, but watch out, the moment you walk in three or four bargirls will stalk you and ask for ladydrinks. Although I haven't been a victim of it, it pays to always check the bar-tabs they put in your bin. It has been reported that sometimes "alien" tabs find their home in your bin. Try to stay (more or less) sober during your hunts.

In my opinion, no visit to Bangkok can be called complete without a visit to Eden Club in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 and a sampling of their hallmark threesomes.

A soapy massage (such as Annies) or an oily massage (Sukhumvit Soi 23 has many, I tried Se Dang "Color Red", in front of the Citadines hotel) should be on your list as well.

The biggest "pitfall" you might wish to avoid is to fall in love with a Thai GF. I did so and haven't regretted it for one moment. ;)

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1469312]Yeh. I don't think we have any prescribed interview technique.[/QUOTE]We?

You're averaging 11 posts a day and you are speaking for me now?

Why don't you give it a rest for a while.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1469742]The biggest "pitfall" you might wish to avoid is to fall in love with a Thai GF. I did so and haven't regretted it for one moment. ;)[/QUOTE]Nice! Yes, love is definitely possible and sometimes that's what is desired. Just be extra careful.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1469718]Does "hard-core" mean having long experience or nasty or jaded or what?

I think you generalise too much. Bow and Dtom at Suzie Wong have been bar girls for many years and very experienced. Dtom will admit that no one licks pussy in the lesbian show better than her. Both are lovely girls and always perform great GFE. Trully nice girls can remain really nice with nice customers, no matter how many years they have been doing it. Well worth taking both of these girls together if they are available. Neither has big tits. These girls are not actresses much with me. They understand well that I like them to be their normal selves and big bullshit is not necessary. They really have fun doing the lesbian stuff and are close friends and fuck buddies and so could be classified as semi-bi-sexuals. Lai is a big bullshit girl in the same bar, and I don't like her at all.

I think the attitude of girls is not that dependent on whether they are new or long term. Sure newbies are more unsure of how to act. Experienced girls can sum up the customer quicker. All of them can warm to the customer willing to make things "fun" rather than too serious.

I am sure other ISGers will know Bow and attest that she is one of the nicest bargirls you could meet despite being at SW on and off for 8 years perhaps. Experience gives them certain self confidence that they know how to do great BBBJ etc. Newbies sometimes aren't so good in technique.[/QUOTE]I'd define hardcore as girls who have been psychologically effected by working in the business that they are unable to related to the opposite sex except for monetary gain.

Sure I am making generalisations but at the same time there are always exceptions to the rule which you seem to have found. If I want to fuck I'd rather have a newbie since I'm into GFE but as I'm also into BJ bars I'd rather have a chick who knows how to work a dick and she definately won't be a beginner.

Today's New York Times states Bangkok is "the most visited city in the world." So we are reaping the benefits of that demand.

[QUOTE=ArcadiaEgo;1469678]Thailand newb here. Are there any pitfalls that I should look out for as a solo punter?[/QUOTE]I'm sure the other gents will weigh in here, but three things come to mind:

First, realize it will be overwhelming. Especially if you come from a place where the punter scene is underground. The secret is to get out of your own head and go with the flow. I'm not saying pick the first girl you meet. But lots of guys have a hard time pulling the trigger because over sensory overload.

Second, ignore the Price Police. Of course you should be careful with your money. But trying to save that last five percent is crazy. You're on holiday, for crying out loud.

Third, keep smiling. Nobody likes a sour puss who looks like he hates himself. If you appear to be having a good time, it's contagious with the girls.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Bunky;1470048]I'm sure the other gents will weigh in here, but three things come to mind:[/QUOTE]Leave the sleeve-less T-shirt at home; in fact leave all your T-shirts at home along with your shorts and sandals. Dress smartly. No one likes a scruffy male, least of all Thai WGs.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1470052]Leave the sleeve-less T-shirt at home; in fact leave all your T-shirts at home along with your shorts and sandals. Dress smartly. No one likes a scruffy male, least of all Thai WGs.[/QUOTE]Have a look at my post; 5-13-13 19:04.

Regrds

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1470052]Leave the sleeve-less T-shirt at home; in fact leave all your T-shirts at home along with your shorts and sandals. Dress smartly. No one likes a scruffy male, least of all Thai WGs.[/QUOTE]I agree no singlets, but unless you are going to gentleman's clubs, Farangs wearing sandals is quite normal. Maybe sneakers is more trendy for the Singapore set, but can be impractical. Sweaty socks equals stinky socks. Thais are wearing sandals or open shoes as well. Its often too hot for shoes and socks. Long pants may be better but shorts are acceptable in sticky weather, in certain circumstances. Shirts with a collar are better than t-shirt also.

But lets face it. There is no need to dress up to visit a dive like Tulip or a dive of a bar either. Wearing sandals and even shorts on rare occasions never had any effect on my mongering. Dress depending on what you are attending. Don't wear shorts to a temple.

To a disco or club, yes, dress up.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1469754]We?

You're averaging 11 posts a day and you are speaking for me now?

Why don't you give it a rest for a while.[/QUOTE]What's eating you? By "we", I am not speaking for you. I am talking about experienced bar goers in general.

I merely indicate that picking a bar girl is a relaxed affair and not like an "Interview" at all.

[quote=rockhound74; 1468813]back to soi cowboy and suzie wongs with wingman and nok in tow. i look around and ask to see some of the ones that i have had previous. almost all of them were off that day. darn i wanted to take pam or koh. i see a 19 yr old on the stage and wave her over. her name was not. really small and pretty new to the game i found out the hard way. we did settle on a price and activities and we were off to have a few drinks in my wingman's room. we played some games. strip coin flip and beer pong again to give out the remaining panties. both not and nok were very shy until the drinks started kicking in. unfortunately i was on of the first ones down to my birthday suit and when it came for the girls time to take the last article of clothing off they both chickened out! damn. i really wanted to see wingman's girls. she was hot and had a great peronality. my girl on the other hand i could see that she was so new and sooooo shy that it was going to be a struggle to get her to get comfortable. so we all decide around 2am to head to our respective rooms. back in the room not took a shower and i followed her in. she looked a bit confused but i washed her down. she did not do me the same. warning. warning. on the bed started daty and then popped up for air. she was so small and tight that i had trouble in even with some lube. so after some very slow entries we were off. needless to say i could not go to deep since she was grimacing for much of the deed. so i flip her on her side and enter from the side. she said a little better and at that point i said "fuck it" so i start thrusts to match her backing up and she screamed a few times and i blow a load on her ass.

day 6.

not was up early and was stalling in the shower. so when she came back i cut my loses and told her to go home. gave her the agreed fee but said "you might want to try a new job" that night i told mamasan at suzy wongs that not needs guidance or she is going to get a not so nice guy that will find her timid refusals once in the room to be a major issue after agreeing to do certain things inside the bar.[/quote]"not" is no newbie. she has been working the bar for at least a year. one of my favourite girls. probably have done her at least 8 times. she is known to be rather tight (although not as tight as dtom) , especially if she has been off work for a few days and no recent fucking. this means you have to take it very soft and slow at the start, beginning with only a little penetration, until her insides get time to stretch out, and use plenty of lube. even once sex gets going, she still does not like to be pounded. sensual slow sex (my style). she is a bit shy (without a few drinks) but not so much with me as we have screwed many times and mostly with two girls at a time. she has a baby already. started young. she really likes good daty and a good gentle screw. gets quite passionate with the kissing with me, and can tell from her body movements she is really getting into it. sometimes orgasmic. whenever she sees me she will always charge over to me and very keen to go for nice sex session and is okay with double girls if she knows the other girl reasonably well. i normally don't take long time when taking two girls. not a lesbian by any means though. she much prefers guys. she has an okay bbbj but not outstanding. some other girls are better for bbbj.

not is known to be very slow in shower and in general preparation for a sex session and sometimes seems to need to go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] often. this happens with girls drinking too much and very tiny bladder.

yes "not" is timid, but doesn't prevent her being a very nice tight fitting screw, if approached the right way. she dances totally nude on stage, but is a little shy about it. certainly no porn star so doesn't do anal, cim etc. i'm sure. for porn stars, go to tulip, snow white, etc.

mamasan (well one of the several) should have a few clues about what sort of guys not is suited to. girls will often gossip about how their customers were too.

Good evening Gents,

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I'll be in BKK week. I have already done the masssage and gogo bar scene. And thoroughly enjoyed it. Will most certainly be revisiting that side. But I was just wondering if there were any conventional stripclubs in BKK, where one can go and have a drink, then get a private dance for a 4 minute song at a set price. Like a stripclub in north America, and some places in Europe.

For those who are going to tell me that I'm wasting money or to just pick up a girl and have her do that in my room and telling me to just get a bar girl to do that for me in a bar. Thanks, but somtimes I just want to have a seductive girl grinding her but on my groin in a club for a couple of songs.

Are there any clubs in Bangkok with this glorious Modis operandi?

Thanks a ton guys.

I'll be sure to report.

My best,

Kkreeac

Thanks for the insight. We did have a few drinks but I think she was just not into me. It is what it is. No biggie.

I had so much fun this month that I am already signed up to go back in Nov.

Rock

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1470115]"Not" is no newbie. She has been working the bar for at least a year. One of my favourite girls. Probably have done her at least 8 times. She is known to be rather tight (although not as tight as Dtom) , especially if she has been off work for a few days and no recent fucking. This means you have to take it very soft and slow at the start, beginning with only a little penetration, until her insides get time to stretch out, and use plenty of lube. Even once sex gets going, she still does not like to be pounded. Sensual slow sex (my style). She is a bit shy (without a few drinks) but not so much with me as we have screwed many times and mostly with two girls at a time. She has a baby already. Started young. She really likes good DATY and a good gentle screw. Gets quite passionate with the kissing with me, and can tell from her body movements she is really getting into it. Sometimes orgasmic. Whenever she sees me she will always charge over to me and very keen to go for nice sex session and is okay with double girls if she knows the other girl reasonably well. I normally don't take long time when taking two girls. Not a lesbian by any means though. She much prefers guys...[/QUOTE]

The female will not be a problem. A male might not be if you find a foreigner that might be into that kind of thing.

Good luck,

Rock

[QUOTE=Rod Stew;1469549]I hope to travel with my side kick girl to Bangkok next week and looking for a foursome. Male for her and female for me. Any suggestion? Thank you if you can help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1470142]Good evening Gents,

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I'll be in BKK week. I have already done the masssage and gogo bar scene. And thoroughly enjoyed it. Will most certainly be revisiting that side. But I was just wondering if there were any conventional stripclubs in BKK, where one can go and have a drink, then get a private dance for a 4 minute song at a set price. Like a stripclub in north America, and some places in Europe.

Kkreeac[/QUOTE]I think plain strip clubs died out in Thailand many years ago. Crazy House in Sukhumvit Soi 23 close to Cowboy has personal / lap dances. You will have to work out the time / price. I don't know. There are girls dancing nude and walking around nude in this bar. Hope that isn't going to spoil the excitement. LOL Other bars have sexy shows where girl sort of strip but are usually not wearing that much from the start. Those are not so much private strips. Certainly you can pay girls to go back to your room and do a private strip there. Hope you don't need burlesque music as well.

I am shocked. If I were you and in your predicament, I would over pay (10000 baht) the bar girl to put her closes back on, have her dance on my lap, have her order 10 lady drinks and then kick me in the groin.

Then You and I would feel like we were back home in the North America. That should do the trick.

Rock

[QUOTE=Kkreeac; 1470142]Good evening Gents,

I was wondering if you guys could help me out. I'll be in BKK week. I have already done the masssage and gogo bar scene. And thoroughly enjoyed it. Will most certainly be revisiting that side. But I was just wondering if there were any conventional stripclubs in BKK, where one can go and have a drink, then get a private dance for a 4 minute song at a set price. Like a stripclub in north America, and some places in Europe.

For those who are going to tell me that I'm wasting money or to just pick up a girl and have her do that in my room and telling me to just get a bar girl to do that for me in a bar. Thanks, but somtimes I just want to have a seductive girl grinding her but on my groin in a club for a couple of songs.

Are there any clubs in Bangkok with this glorious Modis operandi?

Thanks a ton guys.

I'll be sure to report.

My best,

Kkreeac[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I use Androgel in the US. (For those that don't know it's testosterone replacement therapy. Is there any place in BKK or Pattaya that sells it? Do you need a subscription or can you just go to a pharmacy that has it. Am thinking about living in Thailand part of the year now and am wondering if its available as I medically need it.

Thanks

You can buy the gel capsules over the counter in a pharmacy. I do not know if all do but KS Pharmacy Sukhumvit / Soi 17 sells it. The patches, so far as I know, are controlled.

[QUOTE=Redfield10; 1470674]Hi,

I use Androgel in the US. (For those that don't know it's testosterone replacement therapy. Is there any place in BKK or Pattaya that sells it? Do you need a subscription or can you just go to a pharmacy that has it. Am thinking about living in Thailand part of the year now and am wondering if its available as I medically need it. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Snuck over there last night. Only 10th time at the disco's, living the normal life here. Some pig blew me in the middle of a crowded dance floor. That was a first and didn't get much attention. Major turn off. Ditched her soon as she came up for air muttering short time hotel. A sexy office girl with a nice car came through at 3 in the morning who I went home with. Good tight wet pussy and above expectations dick sucking. Overpaid my norm but underpaid the norm.

Thanks,

I assume a perscription for the pump or packets of gel are not hard to get? Or even the shots?

Anyone know?

[QUOTE=Jgm005;1470712]You can buy the gel capsules over the counter in a pharmacy. I do not know if all do but KS Pharmacy Sukhumvit / Soi 17 sells it. The patches, so far as I know, are controlled.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice fellas. I got into Bangkok at 1AM yesterday and didn't want to mess with freelancers or finding my way to Insomnia so I opted for an escort agency instead. A bit pricey for 10 hours but as Bunky said, it's a vacation. And holy crap was the service amazing compared to what I'm used to (Okinawa).

Tonight will be my first trek to Nana. Depending on the vibe when I get there, I may go to Cowboy instead. Wish me luck.

Anybody know if the short time hotels. Star Inn and New World Inn are still open for business on Sukhumvit Soi 7/1.

Its been a a few years since my last visit to Bangkok and I always used these hotels for my early morning activities.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1470052]Leave the sleeve-less T-shirt at home; in fact leave all your T-shirts at home along with your shorts and sandals. Dress smartly. No one likes a scruffy male, least of all Thai WGs.[/QUOTE]If dressing up for you works, great but honestly the whole concept of TWG's looking down on you for dressing in t-shirts and shorts is a myth unless you are at a high end club or disco. I am not a great dresser. I admit it. T-shirt and shorts 95% of the time. It's not a problem in any go-go or beer bar or discos like Climax. Now scruffy in the sense that you haven't shaved or showered in a couple of days would probably be true. It's a lot more likely that some Farangs will give you a superior look than Thai WG's who really are looking for money and a decent attitude and not much more.

[QUOTE=ArcadiaEgo;1469678]Thailand newb here.I am arriving in Bangkok on the 10th to begin a two week vacation in Thailand (splitting it up among Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Pattaya). I read through most of the threads in the Thailand forum and am planning on visiting NEP and Soi Cowboy per all of your suggestions. Are there any other places I should definitely hit up? Also, not having much experience doing this, are there any pitfalls that I should look out for as a solo punter?[/QUOTE]I think if you have the basic information of where to go and what to expect and what the range of prices is you can't go very wrong.

Watch out for ladyboys on the street and in the gogos. I know of so many guys that just have no ladyboy radar at all. If the voice sounds like a cat who has been strangled stay away, unless that is what you want of course.

I think when I first started coming here my main problem was just too many choices and having such a hard time making up my mind and often the night would fly by and I would end up taking something only ok at 4 in the morning.

It doesn't happen as much any more because most girls are in such a rush to get to the next customer but again when I first came here I was easily maneuvered thru guilt into taking the same girl a bunch of times when I didn't really want to or just having the girl stay on and not leave. On your first trip you should see a lot of different girls and not feel in any way obliged for a return visit.

Don't expect the Moon and the Stars sexually. Thai girls in general are not that great in bed at least compared to other ethnic types I have been with. I am not very good at making clear with the girl as to what I want before getting back to my room. I just go with it but if certain sexual items are really important to you beyond basic boom-boom you might be best served asking the girl if she is willing. A lot of Thai girls, esp. The young ones are not keen on much outside of that box.

If you visit the gogo's utilize the mamasans. It took me a long time to finally cave in to this reality. I always liked making some kind of personal contact with the girl rather than just telling the mamasan to bring over a number for a drink. The girls esp in the larger bars just don't look at customers and even if you think you have made eye contact chances are she was thinking about her next meal and her eyes wandered. Just talk to the mamasan and a lot of time and frustration will be saved. But this obligates you to nothing other than a drink. If there is no chemistry, just say thank you and move on to another bar or another girl. Always remember this is a business, for them and it should be for you. As the other poster said, don't fall in love. It's so easy to do on the first trip or so. And forever afterwards. After being back home, these girls can seem so sweet and tender and fun and gentle. And many of them are. But it's still a business to them and their job is to take every baht they can from you and get you to buy them and their friends as many drinks as they can. It is what is expected of them.

Basically go with the flow. Don't get upset at anything. If the sex sucks move on. If you feel overcharged by a girl or a tuk-tuk driver just move on. If a girl promises she will show up at your hotel and doesn't, move on. I see so many guys getting pissed off at the little stuff. It isn't worth it.

The only other place I would add to perhaps visit is Climax Disco on Soi 11 at the Ambassador Hotel. This is basically if all the other stuff is closed and you still seek some companionship. Climax is open till 5am with loads of women 25 years old and up for the most part. And it's different than gogos and beer bars which is nice sometimes.

Is it possible to have a couple having a private sex show for me while I film them?

If it is, what is the best way to achieve the couple and their consent? How and where do you recommend I should try it?

If it is too hard Is it possible to film a show in one of the clubs (for money)?

I hope I'll live to tell this forum how it was.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1470847]Thai girls in general are not that great in bed at least compared to other ethnic types I have been with.[/QUOTE]Has not been my experience. What type of ethic types might that be?

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1470726]Snuck over there last night. Only 10th time at the disco's, living the normal life here. Some pig blew me in the middle of a crowded dance floor. That was a first and didn't get much attention. Major turn off. Ditched her soon as she came up for air muttering short time hotel. A sexy office girl with a nice car came through at 3 in the morning who I went home with. Good tight wet pussy and above expectations dick sucking. Overpaid my norm but underpaid the norm.[/QUOTE]Good for you!

One question: did you go to her home or do you mean: you took her to your home.

If you can collaborated a little more, please feel free to share.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Redfield10;1470750]Or even the shots?[/QUOTE]No prescription necessary. The large drugstore between Soi Nana and the Marriott, last one before Marriott with Chinese owners, has excellent prices on 20 Amp. boxes of Testoviron Depot by Bayer. Really reasonable prices. When I was last there, the box of 20 cost 3000 baht. I stock up every trip. Not sure about the gel since its cheap where I live but if its available I'm sure they will have it. They even stock Winstrol Depot.

[QUOTE=David_33;1471069]No prescription necessary. The large drugstore between Soi Nana and the Marriott, last one before Marriott with Chinese owners, has excellent prices.[/QUOTE]A most excellent drugstore. Next door to Bullys pub.

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&channel=suggest&ie=UTF-8&q=Bully[/url]'s+Pub&fb=1&gl=us&hq=bully+pub+BKK&cid=0, 0.8861935586298344761&ei=xxQxUr7DMqvi4APw7YCgCQ&ved=0CIcBEPwSMAs

I got to NEP during a downpour. Snuck into Big Dog's, had a beer and found the scenary a bit lacking. Knowing that Rainbow 4 was the club with the most dancers on stage, I headed there for better pickings. The usher girls found me a seat next to the clothed platform (only seat available in the house) where I watched a bunch of girls on stage, well, I guess one could call that dancing.

Around 11pm, one of the girls caught my eye. Really pretty face, tall / slim physique. I called her over, bought her a drink and found out within the first thirty seconds that ST was going to be 4500 with no LT option. Thanks but no thanks and taking the advice from some of your posts, moved on without blinking. The way she kind of stormed off without even taking a sip from her drink, maybe I came off as too business-like but who gives a shit.

I proceeded to sit there for another hour and a half just enjoying the scenary and drinking. The usher girls would hassle me to call someone over every once in a while. Just to get in good with the staff, I bought one of them a drink as well as one for the mama-san. They were pretty useful sources of information. For example, the usher girl insinuated to me that the reason why my first girl didn't offer LT was that she was not allowed to. But since it was past 12 now, the girls would field LT proposals (any truth to this?)

Mama-san recommended me a short girl with big fake tits. I was a few beers in at the time so I said why not. Found out LT was going to be 5000, talked down from 6000. She was also saying LT for her was 5am, at which I told her 9am or nothing.

In the end, it was 1am and I was horny so I went with it. The downpour outside had created pools of water about ankle deep and in my semi-drunken stupor, I decided to walk back to the Majestic Grande instead of cabbing it. Slight mistake as my shoes are now completely soaked in dirty Thai street water. The girl did seem to appreciate me carrying her over the puddles.

The experience with the girl wasn't much to write about. Initially she seemed more interested in watching the TV and looking at her iPhone than getting something started. I laid it out there and then. Said she could leave if she wanted but best give me my money back at which she seemed to come to her senses. I'd have to chalk her attitude up to her age, as she was only 21 and probably tired from the zombie-like dancing she was having to do all night.

DATY. 69, missionary, doggy style, cowgirl, etc. Tits were fake but looked nice. Slept, woke up, banged her out again before heading out. Like I said, nothing to write about except my wet pair of shoes. I'll do it again tonight. Since I started a sort of rapport with the Mama and the ushers at Rainbow 4, I'll probably start there again.

Another thing, why don't these girls bring their own toothbrushes? Sheesh.

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1471050]Has not been my experience. What type of ethic types might that be?[/QUOTE]Other's experiences may differ but for me 80% of Thai women sort of fall in the ok range sexually, not bad but rarely great. 10% are great. 10% are terrible. There is also some correlation between skills and age in Thailand. The 10% terrible ones are generally on the young side. On the other hand my experiences with Latinas, Brazillianas, Eastern Europeans and black women is a much higher percentage in the great category. I think sex is just a much more important part of the cultures of these groups with them starting at an early age and learning how to please a man, as well as enjoying it themselves. I just don't think this is the case for Thai women and it shows up in their sexual abilities and needs.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1471057]Good for you!

One question: did you go to her home or do you mean: you took her to your home.

If you can collaborated a little more, please feel free to share.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Took her to my place. Saving on the 100 baht taxi fare was nice and hitched a ride form her afterwards. I warned her I have a small room which does not bother 99% of Thai girls. Only two high class gold diggers that I met in different circles were "too good" for this and didn't give it up when they saw my living arrangements. Usually it works to my advantage as Thai girls can relate to me and are not impressed with fancy dining and hotels. Even many high earning girls have rooms like me or slightly better because they spend their money on everything else.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1471094]Other's experiences may differ but for me 80% of Thai women sort of fall in the ok range sexually, not bad but rarely great. 10% are great. 10% are terrible. There is also some correlation between skills and age in Thailand. The 10% terrible ones are generally on the young side. On the other hand my experiences with Latinas, Brazillianas, Eastern Europeans and black women is a much higher percentage in the great category. I think sex is just a much more important part of the cultures of these groups with them starting at an early age and learning how to please a man, as well as enjoying it themselves. I just don't think this is the case for Thai women and it shows up in their sexual abilities and needs.[/QUOTE]Well I think we can all agree Thai women give the best massages. I think that service oriented attitude passes on to sex. True age has a huge part in it. My only bad sex here has been in the 18 to 23 year old demographic but even that is rare. I'm no expert but seems like they ride dick as good as any ethnic group and are more into rimming then other cultures. Doggie style might not be as embraced as much as other cultures but they never object and the dick sucking is always average to above average.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1471094]Other's experiences may differ but for me 80% of Thai women sort of fall in the ok range sexually, not bad but rarely great. 10% are great. 10% are terrible. There is also some correlation between skills and age in Thailand. The 10% terrible ones are generally on the young side. On the other hand my experiences with Latinas, Brazillianas, Eastern Europeans and black women is a much higher percentage in the great category. I think sex is just a much more important part of the cultures of these groups with them starting at an early age and learning how to please a man, as well as enjoying it themselves. I just don't think this is the case for Thai women and it shows up in their sexual abilities and needs.[/QUOTE]DR,

I think you have got this pretty right. The blacks and Latinas are the most reliably good at sex, Thais are mid range, and Farangs are a lot worse amongst sex workers in my home country but a much improved from east Europe. I think the percentage of farangs and Thais that are terrible may be a bit more than 10. Super Thai girls yes 10% seems about okay

I am agreeing much less with N-Jerkoffs subsequent comments. E. G. I don't think such a high percentage of Thais give great BBBJs, and massages doesn't seem relevant. I don't agree that older Thai women are always better. I think attitude and just a reasonable experience is important, but age not so much.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1471182]DR,

I think you have got this pretty right. The blacks and Latinas are the most reliably good at sex, Thais are mid range, and Farangs are a lot worse amongst sex workers in my home country but a much improved from east Europe. I think the percentage of farangs and Thais that are terrible may be a bit more than 10. Super Thai girls yes 10% seems about okay

I am agreeing much less with N-Jerkoffs subsequent comments. E. G. I don't think such a high percentage of Thais give great BBBJs, and massages doesn't seem relevant. I don't agree that older Thai women are always better. I think attitude and just a reasonable experience is important, but age not so much.[/QUOTE]Black and Latina chicks are freaks but they have worse attitudes, especially black chicks. I went through 50 Latina sex workers in one month that mostly pushed hard for covered blow job and no tongue kissing. I always get DFK and BBBJ here. To say age isn't a factor is ignorant. The same girl is going to fuck and suck better at 28 then 18. And trust me Thai girl's can suck dick. Whether you or the Thai boyfriend are getting it, they are fully capable. That's why chemistry is everything but I will give the average Black and Latina a small edge in technique.

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1471107]Well I think we can all agree Thai women give the best massages. I think that service oriented attitude passes on to sex. True age has a huge part in it. My only bad sex here has been in the 18 to 23 year old demographic but even that is rare. I'm no expert but seems like they ride dick as good as any ethnic group and are more into rimming then other cultures. Doggie style might not be as embraced as much as other cultures but they never object and the dick sucking is always average to above average.[/QUOTE]Ya, everyone's experiences will be different. But for me once I started going to Brazil (before it got too expensive) and the Dominican Republic (before the crackdowns started) I pretty much forgot about Thailand for a bunch of years. I remember feeling like I had never really experienced real sex till then. It was so uninhibited and raw. Again this was after a lifetime of North American sex and a few years of Thai sex vacations. I recall one vacation in which I decided to come to Thailand after a few years away and after 3 days I found the sex so middling and predictable that I booked myself back to the states and took a plane the next day to the DR. And was glad I did. It was in the DR that I discovered the joy of multiple girls wriggling around on your bed and getting porn like crazy that you will rarely find with Thai girls. Now this was back in the mid-90's till the mid 2000's and in defense of Thai girls while I was gone the new generation is much better sexually than their mothers but they are still a long ways from Latinas.

The old saying about it being in their blood is true. Latinas like sex. I often wonder how many Thai women really do or whether they are just following the dots of what they think they should do. In Thailand the sex usually goes like this, come into the room, take shower, a few minutes perhaps of kissing and oral and then boom boom till you finish or they get tired or sore. In the DR it was come into the room, fall onto the bed, start kissing like crazy, she pulls down your pants and starts sucking, eventually her clothes come off and lots more oral going both ways and then boom boom till you felt your heart was going to explode. So why do I live in Thailand one might ask? Because I like Thailand and Thai girls a lot and could never see myself living in those other countries for a bunch of reasons. And with a little digging and hard work you can find girls here that are great in bed. Then you just have to hope they stay in the scene for a while before being whisked away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1471182]DR,

I think you have got this pretty right. The blacks and Latinas are the most reliably good at sex, Thais are mid range, and Farangs are a lot worse amongst sex workers in my home country but a much improved from east Europe. I think the percentage of farangs and Thais that are terrible may be a bit more than 10. Super Thai girls yes 10% seems about okay

I am agreeing much less with N-Jerkoffs subsequent comments. E. G. I don't think such a high percentage of Thais give great BBBJs, and massages doesn't seem relevant. I don't agree that older Thai women are always better. I think attitude and just a reasonable experience is important, but age not so much.[/QUOTE]You are probably correct about the pct of terrible is higher than 10% but I think once you have been here a while you learn to know how to avoid the really bad ones with an instinct that you gather. And BJ's? I could probably count on my hands and fingers the number of girls over 20 years that have given me great BJ's in Thailand. Again it's not really a part of their culture and they often go thru the motions but with little passion. Comparing a Thai BJ to a Latina BJ is like comparing a Honda to a Mercedes. The Honda is serviceable but rarely memorable.

I have actually had little experience with Eastern Europeans, just a handful of out call girls in London and I have to say they were great. Maybe I got lucky.

There is no rule without exception. Generally young Thai girls may be a bit boring but I've had the best fuck of my life with a 19yo Thai girl. Nothing raunchy about this session just an unstoppable desire for each other and multiple pops without needing any help from Vitamin V. Her body was just fitting perfectly and she made me hard again without long breaks after cumming.

Statistically I'd say out of the best 10 experiences 5 were with young Asian (thai and Chinese) women, the rest were a mix of Blacks, Latinas and Europeans. Maybe it's just my imagination because the Asian features always turn me on.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1471204]So why do I live in Thailand one might ask? Because I like Thailand and Thai girls a lot and could never see myself living in those other countries for a bunch of reasons.[/QUOTE]That is it in a nutshell. Plus I think Thai girls are generally better looking than the girls you find in the DR or CR. Colombia and Brazil have plenty of stunners, that's for sure, but like you, I would not want to live in those places. IMO Thai girls are nicer and Thailand is much safer. Buddha is good. I like Filipinas and Indonesians a lot too, but I wouldn't want to live in those countries either. So Thailand wins overall by default. It has it problems and knocks, but it is just more comfortable here. That said, I must add that I wouldn't want to live on a diet of Thai girls only. For me, it is necessary to travel and mix it up. Fortunately Phnom Penh is 40 minutes away from BKK and AC, Macau, and Jakarta are all around 3 hours away. It has been almost 10 years since I was last in Rio and São Paulo. Time maybe to go back and see how things have changed. I will never go back to the DR. It is over as far as I am concerned. Same with Costa Rica.

[QUOTE=ArcadiaEgo; 1471079]I got to NEP during a downpour. Snuck into Big Dog's, had a beer and found the scenary a bit lacking. Knowing that Rainbow 4 was the club with the most dancers on stage, I headed there for better pickings. The usher girls found me a seat next to the clothed platform (only seat available in the house) where I watched a bunch of girls on stage, well, I guess one could call that dancing.

Around 11pm, one of the girls caught my eye. Really pretty face, tall / slim physique. I called her over, bought her a drink and found out within the first thirty seconds that ST was going to be 4500 with no LT option. Thanks but no thanks and taking the advice from some of your posts, moved on without blinking. The way she kind of stormed off without even taking a sip from her drink, maybe I came off as too business-like but who gives a shit.

I proceeded to sit there for another hour and a half just enjoying the scenary and drinking. The usher girls would hassle me to call someone over every once in a while. Just to get in good with the staff, I bought one of them a drink as well as one for the mama-san. They were pretty useful sources of information. For example, the usher girl insinuated to me that the reason why my first girl didn't offer LT was that she was not allowed to. But since it was past 12 now, the girls would field LT proposals (any truth to this?)

Mama-san recommended me a short girl with big fake tits. I was a few beers in at the time so I said why not. Found out LT was going to be 5000, talked down from 6000. She was also saying LT for her was 5am, at which I told her 9am or nothing.

In the end, it was 1am and I was horny so I went with it. The downpour outside had created pools of water about ankle deep and in my semi-drunken stupor, I decided to walk back to the Majestic Grande instead of cabbing it. Slight mistake as my shoes are now completely soaked in dirty Thai street water. The girl did seem to appreciate me carrying her over the puddles.

The experience with the girl wasn't much to write about. Initially she seemed more interested in watching the TV and looking at her iPhone than getting something started. I laid it out there and then. Said she could leave if she wanted but best give me my money back at which she seemed to come to her senses. I'd have to chalk her attitude up to her age, as she was only 21 and probably tired from the zombie-like dancing she was having to do all night.

DATY. 69, missionary, doggy style, cowgirl, etc. Tits were fake but looked nice. Slept, woke up, banged her out again before heading out. Like I said, nothing to write about except my wet pair of shoes. I'll do it again tonight. Since I started a sort of rapport with the Mama and the ushers at Rainbow 4, I'll probably start there again.

Another thing, why don't these girls bring their own toothbrushes? Sheesh.[/QUOTE]Another ringing endorsement for Rain4 girls. LOL. Good to hear other fuys experiences. Ill be back next week.

5am ending long time at Rain. 4 is the norm.

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1471106]Took her to my place. Saving on the 100 baht taxi fare was nice and hitched a ride form her afterwards. I warned her I have a small room which does not bother 99% of Thai girls. Only two high class gold diggers that I met in different circles were "too good" for this and didn't give it up when they saw my living arrangements. Usually it works to my advantage as Thai girls can relate to me and are not impressed with fancy dining and hotels. Even many high earning girls have rooms like me or slightly better because they spend their money on everything else.[/QUOTE]How much did you paid the girl and how long did she stayed with you?

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471022]Is it possible to have a couple having a private sex show for me while I film them?

If it is, what is the best way to achieve the couple and their consent? How and where do you recommend I should try it?

If it is too hard Is it possible to film a show in one of the clubs (for money)?

I hope I'll live to tell this forum how it was.[/QUOTE]Is this the right forum to ask this question?

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1471190]I went through 50 Latina sex workers in one month that mostly pushed hard for covered blow job and no tongue kissing.[/QUOTE]Curious as to where this was? That certainly was not the norm in the DR or Brazil unless things have changed drastically.

For the sake of discussion, I'm going to propose a somewhat different idea.

Cultural attitudes towards sex vary, which affects sexual performance, but as far as P4P is concerned the biggest factor is the size of the local sex industry. It boils down to a numbers game: if there are a lot of SW, the absolute number of good ones will be greater. The key is figuring out who are the good ones, hence the value of ISG. Of course it helps to be a regular, which is the big advantage guys living in or visiting Bangkok several times a year have.

I f*cked my first prostitute when I was 17 and have monger all over the world ever since (I'm now in my early 60's.) Personally, I've had some mediocre sex everywhere I've been as well as some great sex; and I can't say the great sex in one city has been any better than the great sex in any other city in a different country. I think Bangkok is a great city for finding great sex. I think Salt Lake City, Utah, USA is a lousy place to find great sex. Similarly, Chiang Mai is not a great mongers' destination, while I've had great sex in many cities in the USA.

Local knowledge helps. For example, I've found that in San Francisco the Asian MPs have better staff than the MPs with Eastern European girls. In Miami, Florida my personal experience is that the black strippers at the clubs are my best bets for great sex. The black ladies (African-American and from English speaking islands) tend to zero in on the black guys and the Anglo-white guys. They do this because they know the Latin guys (who make up 70% of the population) tend to prefer Latin girls. As soon as they hear I living in Miami, they're eager to win me over as a regular client. I see one or two of them at a time outside the clubs for some great sex. While the Latin girls are happy to have me as a customer, many of them speak little or no English and prefer a Latin man who speaks their language. Similarly, speaking a little or a lot of Thai helps with the girls in Bangkok.

To keep things simple I'm going to skip over variations in attitudes toward skin tone among Latins, which is a complicated topic.

Another important factor is whether the SW are familiar with the sex customs of the clients. DFK is not a sexual custom in Thailand and you will often hear or read complaints about Thai girls being poor at or refusing DFK, but I've been with Thai escorts who were very skilled at DFK. My experiences are a-level tends to be a special service with Thai girls, but common with a Latin girls. As a teen and young adult growing up around a lot of Latin girls I learned they would often refuse vaginal sex but where very happy to let me f*ck their ass while they played with their clit. They told me that was so they could keep their virginity. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471430]My experiences are a-level tends to be a special service with Thai girls, but common with a Latin girls. As a teen and young adult growing up around a lot of Latin girls I learned they would often refuse vaginal sex but where very happy to let me f*ck their ass while they played with their clit. They told me that was so they could keep their virginity. LOL.[/QUOTE]I met Colombian and Cuban girls who expressed this exact thing, also a Catholic thing with them.

After arriving in BKK and waiting on the tarmack for 1 hour to get a gate finally arrived in town. Long flights require a massage so went looking for what I could find. It was 3 AM and a lot of rain had fallen so not much going on. Stopped by BASH on my travels and it was not happening. Tried Climax and not much there. In my wondering went to the arcade of the ambassador hotel. Here I found a cute little thing offering a massage. Just what looking for. Cute face and body was good. Got the massage which just ok. Light movement over the body with the hands just doesn't do it for me. Went the FS direction and the BJ was covered. Should have asked first. Nothing special there. The FS was good enough to release the tension but nothing more. She said she was 28 but only work in business for 5 months. She needs more training as she could do well as the body and face are very passable.

Tomorrow will get into more detailed report of last night adventure.

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68;1471414]Is this the right forum to ask this question?[/QUOTE]My personal opinion is that the forum is correct, but the country isn't. Thai, apart some exceptions and these are not so visible, are not much into kinky sex. Will be tough to find something in the P4P world. Maybe some high end escort (as long as she doesn't double the work from a gogo) used to cater to western and doing some porn movies too.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1471409]How much did you paid the girl and how long did she stayed with you?[/QUOTE]Always prepared to pay them less, I told her no more then 1500 for 2 shots and she accepted. Time was irrelevant to me. If she can get 2 nuts out of me quick she deserve every baht. I realize there is a lot of good Thai vagina in that price bracket but she carried herself a lot better then what I see out there and can understand the fascination with office girls. She was exactly what I wanted her to be; a sexy, slutty, professional. The hottest girl to ever gag on my cock and taking my load to the face right before going to work was money well spent if it was the last 1500 to my name. Couldn't even fit my finger in her asshole so anal was out the question.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1471424]Curious as to where this was? That certainly was not the norm in the DR or Brazil unless things have changed drastically.[/QUOTE]My first international mongering. Caribbean brothels, mostly lesser Antilles. I take it not the best sample audience. Yeah I'm young and don't have the most experiences under my belt but the Puerto Rican, Dominican, and Mexican girl's I banged in my home country were no sweethearts either.

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471022]Is it possible to have a couple having a private sex show for me while I film them?

If it is, what is the best way to achieve the couple and their consent? How and where do you recommend I should try it?

If it is too hard Is it possible to film a show in one of the clubs (for money)?

I hope I'll live to tell this forum how it was.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BionicMan;1471480]Thai, apart some exceptions and these are not so visible, are not much into kinky sex. Will be tough to find something in the P4P world. Maybe some high end escort (as long as she doesn't double the work from a gogo) used to cater to western and doing some porn movies too.[/QUOTE]I think Thai sex workers would fear that the video would be distributed and that they as the actors could be prosecuted under Thailand's anti-pornography laws. Kesarin Chaichalermpol aka Nat Chanapa made a porn video a few years ago that became an internet hit. She was arrested and prosecuted. I believe she was found guilty and in the end received a slight slap on the wrist. Still this was a conspicuous scandal at the time. Kesarin was a professional model before the incident which may have made her more visible, thus a good target. Of course after her arrest she became a successful advertising model landing gigs that paid six figure.

A person of no notoriety may feel more anonymous and less vulnerable. Perhaps you could enlist a fellow monger whose into exhibitionism as a co-conspirator. The two of you could pick up a freelancer and tell her you're going to make her into a movie star! Venetian masks could be used to add some flare and hide identities. Anyone interested in volunteering?

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471499]I think Thai sex workers would fear that the video would be distributed and that they as the actors could be prosecuted under Thailand's anti-pornography laws. Kesarin Chaichalermpol aka Nat Chanapa made a porn video a few years ago that became an internet hit. She was arrested and prosecuted. I believe she was found guilty and in the end received a slight slap on the wrist. Still this was a conspicuous scandal at the time. Kesarin was a professional model before the incident which may have made her more visible, thus a good target. Of course after her arrest she became a successful advertising model landing gigs that paid six figure.[/QUOTE]A very good point

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1471499]I think Thai sex workers would fear that the video would be distributed and that they as the actors could be prosecuted under Thailand's anti-pornography laws. Kesarin Chaichalermpol aka Nat Chanapa made a porn video a few years ago that became an internet hit. She was arrested and prosecuted. I believe she was found guilty and in the end received a slight slap on the wrist. Still this was a conspicuous scandal at the time. Kesarin was a professional model before the incident which may have made her more visible, thus a good target. Of course after her arrest she became a successful advertising model landing gigs that paid six figure.

A person of no notoriety may feel more anonymous and less vulnerable. Perhaps you could enlist a fellow monger whose into exhibitionism as a co-conspirator. The two of you could pick up a freelancer and tell her you're going to make her into a movie star! Venetian masks could be used to add some flare and hide identities. Anyone interested in volunteering?[/QUOTE]I doubt those that allow nude filmimg are worried about becoming internet sensations. They just not that hot. LOL. They want that extra 200 baht for the privilege of nude video.

[QUOTE=ArcadiaEgo; 1471079]Mama-san recommended me a short girl with big fake tits. I was a few beers in at the time so I said why not. Found out LT was going to be 5000, talked down from 6000. She was also saying LT for her was 5am, at which I told her 9am or nothing.

In the end, it was 1am and I was horny so I went with it. (...) Like I said, nothing to write about except my wet pair of shoes. I'll do it again tonight. Since I started a sort of rapport with the Mama and the ushers at Rainbow 4, I'll probably start there again.

Another thing, why don't these girls bring their own toothbrushes? Sheesh.[/QUOTE]Oh dear, you didn't have much luck on your first try. 5000 baht after midnight and only 2 pops in total? I wouldn't go back to Rainbow 4, they will recognize you as "easy" and you will probably not be able to get their prices down to reasonable levels. Those girls gossip and you have become a "marked" man in their eyes.

Change the scenery, try Soi Cowboy. I always found the atmosphere more convivial there and the girls less mercenary. LT is available starting from the early evening, which means you can get 2 pops before going to sleep and have a good rest, followed by a refreshing morning shag for about 3000 baht plus barfine and one or two LDs.

And as for toothbrushes, either I give them a spare toothbrush or they use my bottle of Listerine. No big deal.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471499]. Perhaps you could enlist a fellow monger whose into exhibitionism as a co-conspirator. The two of you could pick up a freelancer and tell her you're going to make her into a movie star! Venetian masks could be used to add some flare and hide identities. Anyone interested in volunteering?[/QUOTE]Cheating on a Thai freelance is out of question. I'd rather not have my goal then deceiving someone. An act with a Venetian mask, for me. Is like a an act with your clothes on. The woman's face and gestures, make the whole thing, not just her body.

I understand that most readers believe my question is undoable. Strange, I thought Thailand is a country to fulfill any dream.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1471094]Other's experiences may differ but for me 80% of Thai women sort of fall in the ok range sexually, not bad but rarely great. 10% are great. 10% are terrible.[/QUOTE]I'd never given this ratio much thought but your figures sound about right. What it means is that you spend a lot of time having average, OK sex in Thailand just to find that one girl with the real talent. Not that that's the worst way in the world to pass the time.

I do think the ratio of great ones is a bit higher in the Philippines, and higher still in Indonesia. (And even lower in Cambodia and Burma.) But it's nice just to have the variety.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1471071]A most excellent drugstore. Next door to Bullys pub.

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&channel=suggest&ie=UTF-8&q=Bully[/url]

's+Pub&fb=1&gl=us&hq=bully+pub+BKK&cid=0, 0.8861935586298344761&ei=xxQxUr7DMqvi4APw7YCgCQ&ved=0CIcBEPwSMAs[/QUOTE]Help an ignorant guy out. (me)

Why would you guys be running in to pop testosterone instead of using the popular viragra route?

Does T serve a condition the V does not? What is the deal?

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1471661]Does T serve a condition the V does not? What is the deal?[/QUOTE]They are completely different. Viagra was developed by Pfizor to treat heart disease. It was seldom prescribed until it was discovered it could treat erectile dysfunction. Simply put, it causes the blood vessels in your penis to dilate so you can achieve an erection. For the purpose of the past time that motivates us to waste our time on this most excellent forum that is all it does.

Testosterone is a steroid hormone from the androgen group. It is important for the development of the testes and prostate. It causes increased muscle, bone mass, and the growth of body hair. Testosterone is also essential for health and well-being and the prevention of osteoporosis. Testosterone levels naturally drop as men get older. As these drop men lose muscle mass and bone density. Body fat increases. Sleep and mood are adversely affected. Sexual arousal diminishes.

Testosterone cream elevate testosterone levels, which reverses these conditions. An older man taking testosterone cream will get stronger and more muscular. His bones will be healthier. His mood will improve. He will sleep better. Like a younger man he will feel hornier and be more motivated to f*ck.

The Viagra will enable this horny old man to get a hard-on so he can f*ck better, longer and more often.

Both drugs have side effects and should be used in consultation with your friendly family doctor.

Copious amounts of information on both are available on the Internet.

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471022]Is it possible to have a couple having a private sex show for me while I film them?

If it is, what is the best way to achieve the couple and their consent? How and where do you recommend I should try it?[/QUOTE]Possible, yes. I assume that you want to have a couple perform the sex act while you film them, right? There are many of such films all over. Usually it involves the cooperation of a wingman. And a lot of money for the girl. However, she must be willing to participate.

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471022]If it is too hard Is it possible to film a show in one of the clubs (for money)?

I hope I'll live to tell this forum how it was.[/QUOTE]I don't think it is possible to openly film a a show as the patrons / entertainers wish to remain private. Who knows what you will do with the tape.

So how much are you willing to spend. I am sure the club owners will let you film a private show, if the price is right.

Looks like 1. you are very young and 2. Come from a place where sex is very restricted. Just come to LOS have a good time. After you have visited a few times, you will get to know the system. And fulfill your dream to star in a porno film. :-)

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471558]Cheating on a Thai freelance is out of question. I'd rather not have my goal then deceiving someone. An act with a Venetian mask, for me. Is like a an act with your clothes on. The woman's face and gestures, make the whole thing, not just her body.

I understand that most readers believe my question is undoable. Strange, I thought Thailand is a country to fulfill any dream.[/QUOTE]Sorry I didn't make myself clearer. My advice was serious, but parts were written in a humorous tone. Guess my feeble attempt at humor failed. Let me make myself clear.

1. I was pointing out that there was a famous case of a Thai model getting arrested and prosecuted for making a porn video. For this reason I think escort agencies, gogo bars and massage parlors, and the girls who work in these would be reluctant to appear in a porn video. They are too well known. I think your best bet would be to hit the spots freelancers hang out and recruit one of them. They are less likely to be identified by the Thai authorities.

2. I was suggesting it would be easier to pull this off if the man in the video was working with you. Do it with a willing male friend. If you will be in Bangkok alone, you might be able to use ISG to recruit someone to work with you. Guys who are exhibitionists might get into it.

3. By telling her you were going to make her a movie star, I meant porn movie star. In other words, I was suggesting after she agrees to hook up with you tell her you want to shot a porn video and negotiate a price. Everyone has their price.

4. The Venetian mask was a joke. If you surf the net you will turn up amateur porn videos with the people wearing masks to hid their identity.

5. By the way, for years the Internet has had plenty of porn shot in Bangkok and Pattaya with some random dude (not a porn industry actor) and a girl picked up from a gogo bar or off the street. Often the guy is videoing himself getting a blow job or banging the girl. At the time the girls didn't know what the guy was going to do with the video. They may have been naive then, but they're not stupid now. To get them to go along with you expect to have to pay.

Good luck. Hope you're successful and everyone involved is happy.

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68;1471022]Is it possible to film a show in one of the clubs (for money)?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Duniawala; 1471698]I don't think it is possible to openly film a a show as the patrons / entertainers wish to remain private. Who knows what you will do with the tape.

So how much are you willing to spend. I am sure the club owners will let you film a private show, if the price is right.[/QUOTE]I think it will be easier and cheaper to get a freelancer to go along with appearing in a porn video. You will find videos shot inside the gogo bars on the Internet. The ones shot by the bar are very tame. The clubs can get shut down for having nude and even topless girls on stage. It doesn't happen often because they pay off the authorities, but it could happen, as was recently the case at NEP. I'm assuming your preference is to shoot an explicit hardcore porn video and are asking about doing a video in a club as a less desirable alternative. I don't think there is any chance you could openly shoot one of the more explicit routines in a gogo bar. I think it will actually be easier to shoot an XXX video in your hotel room with a guy and a willing girl.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471685]Testosterone cream elevate testosterone levels, which reverses these conditions. An older man taking testosterone cream will get stronger and more muscular. His bones will be healthier. His mood will improve. He will sleep better. Like a younger man he will feel hornier and be more motivated to f*ck.[/QUOTE]Other than marketing claims and hype there is no scientific evidence that has ever proven any of these "low T" products will actually increase libido.

Testosterone replacement therapy is widely practiced by physicians (in the USA and elsewhere) and recognized as effective.

[QUOTE=Western787;1471769]Other than marketing claims and hype there is no scientific evidence that has ever proven any of these "low T" products will actually increase libido.[/QUOTE]For sake of clarity, there is no evidence that synthetic testosterone has any impact on erectile dysfunction, but as you specifically mention "libido" I'm guessing your limiting your comment to male sex drive.

I also want to make it clear, I am not referring to products that do not contain actual synthetic testosterone but claim to increase testosterone levels and sex drive. My remarks are limited to synthetic testosterone available only by prescription.

First, three groups of men take synthetic testosterone: (1) athletes seeking improvements in their performance; (2) men with abnormally low testosterone levels for their age; and (3) older men who have normal testosterone levels for their age but lower levels than when they were younger.

Men who report having a low sex drive are more likely to have low testosterone levels. For example, MIT conducted a study: the average age of the men was 47; 11% of all the men in the study reported a low sex drive; among men with low testosterone levels 28% reported a low sex drive. Of course this only establishes a correlation between low testosterone and low sex drive, but you will be hard pressed to find a credible scientist who does not believe low testosterone levels are related to low sex drive.

The use of synthetic testosterone to increase a man's sex drive is more complicated. Broadly stated, many men with low testosterone who take synthetic testosterone report an increase in their sex drive. This is an empirical fact. The specific physiological mechanism responsible for this is not understood at this time. There is a plethora of research that shows synthetic testosterone increases physical strength, muscle mass, bone density, elevates mood, promotes more regular sleep and reduces body fat. The mechanisms that produce these effects are well understood. Stress, poor sleep habits, depression and other psychological factors diminish sex drive. Synthetic testosterone's impact on these factors could explain why some men report an increase in sex drive from taking synthetic testosterone. Of course there could be a more direct connection between sex drive and the elevation in testosterone produced by taking synthetic testosterone.

This is strictly anecdotal but I know several men in their 60's (about my age or a little older) who take synthetic testosterone. As a result, there has been a noticeable change in their physical appearance: improved muscle tone, reduced body fat and improvements in the appearance of their skin. They claim they have made no other changes in their life-styles. They also claim to have more energy, feel like a "younger man" and to have a greatly increased sex drive.

There are potential side effects from taking synthetic testosterone. It is now known that some of the reported side effects (such as testicular atrophy and increases in the size of the male breasts) are not attributable to testosterone but to the concurrent use of anabolic steroids by the men in these early studies. The biggest risk is that men who have prostate cancer will worsen the disease; therefore, a family history of prostate cancer is a contraindicater.

Artificially manipulating testosterone levels is a serious matter. Anyone considering taking synthetic testosterone should bear in mind that the long term effects are not know at this time. Do your research, talk to a couple of doctors and think carefully before making a decision.

In fact a recent limited study suggests that many symptoms commonly treated with testosterone are actually a result of low estrogen in men as both men and womens bodies contain both and the balance is essential. And, that testosterone dosing often has no meaningful results yet potentially harmful effects.

One should be cautious regarding medical conclusions offered on this and all anonymous sites.

[QUOTE=Western787;1471769]Other than marketing claims and hype there is no scientific evidence that has ever proven any of these "low T" products will actually increase libido.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471685]Testosterone cream elevate testosterone levels, which reverses these conditions. An older man taking testosterone cream will get stronger and more muscular. His bones will be healthier. His mood will improve. He will sleep better. Like a younger man he will feel hornier and be more motivated to f*ck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471787]"low sex drive"[/QUOTE]Excuse me, but what is 'low sex drive'? Disinterest in sex, or lack of being aroused or what exactly? I can certainly understand that ugly girls are not a big turn on. Is it because I am horny every day that I have missed the point entirely?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1471804]Excuse me, but what is 'low sex drive'? Disinterest in sex, or lack of being aroused or what exactly? I can certainly understand that ugly girls are not a big turn on. Is it because I am horny every day that I have missed the point entirely?[/QUOTE]Sex drive is colloquial for libido. Libido was a central construct in Freud's theories on human psychodynamics. Freud thought it pertained to everything that we would subsume under the word love. Sex, as we think of it, is just one manifestation of libido. Like many terms that Freud coined it became widely used by other scientists (Freud was a medical doctor specializing in neurology) and laypeople. In the medical community sex drive and libido are interchangeable. Low sex drive (libido) is a subjective term. A doctor would say a person has a low sex drive if he perceives his libido to be low and is distressed by this. There is no external, objective way to validate this person's self-perception. Oddly, this implies a fellow in Bangkok could be said to have a low libido because he believe his sex drive is low because he is only motivated to f*ck one woman every day and is distressed because other guys he knows f*ck two or more woman every day.

If you are horny every day you would have no way to experientially relate to the term. Lucky you.

For what it's worth, the guys I know who take synthetic testosterone are adamant increasing their sex drive was not the reason they started the therapy. It was for the objective benefits: increased strength, muscle mass, bone density, etc. In fact a couple guys I know complain about the increased sex drive. They're married to women their age who are generally disinterested in sex. This was not a problem for them before. Now they tell me, as when they were younger, they get horny looking at young ladies and are constantly fighting temptations.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471812]This was not a problem for them before. Now they tell me, as when they were younger, they get horny looking at young ladies and are constantly fighting temptations.[/QUOTE]A guy wasn't getting much sex and wasn't horny so did not care. Why take the hormone to make him very unhappy about not getting enough? I have GF who is good for sex. I enjoy a lot but it is not often enough. Therefore I play up. This is a problem. Maybe I need propecia as an anti horny measure.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1471817]A guy wasn't getting much sex and wasn't horny so did not care. Why take the hormone to make him very unhappy about not getting enough?[/QUOTE]That was their dilemma. They liked all the effects except that they were horny like a young man. As for me I'm happy that I'm horny like a young man and free to chase skirts as much as I please.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1471817]I have GF who is good for sex. I enjoy a lot but it is not often enough. Therefore I play up. This is a problem. Maybe I need propecia as an anti horny measure.[/QUOTE]Don't do that! Your GF wouldn't have the pleasure of enjoying your manliness. The SW would miss you as a client. And we'd miss you as a contributor to ISG.

[quote=paul kausch;1471787]artificially manipulating testosterone levels is a serious matter. anyone considering taking synthetic testosterone should bear in mind that the long term effects are not know at this time. do your research, talk to a couple of doctors and think carefully before making a decision.[/quote]great post, and your conclusion is spot on. i am happy to take v until my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] turns blue, but although i would benefit from increased testosterone for all the other reasons you mention, i am not motivated to try it because of the potential for unwanted side-effects.

dr mouse. :)

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1471487]Always prepared to pay them less, I told her no more then 1500 for 2 shots and she accepted. Time was irrelevant to me. If she can get 2 nuts out of me quick she deserve every baht. I realize there is a lot of good Thai vagina in that price bracket but she carried herself a lot better then what I see out there and can understand the fascination with office girls. She was exactly what I wanted her to be; a sexy, slutty, professional. The hottest girl to ever gag on my cock and taking my load to the face right before going to work was money well spent if it was the last 1500 to my name. Couldn't even fit my finger in her asshole so anal was out the question.[/QUOTE]Thank.

Good to hear, we are fishing for the same price range and for the same type of women too, LOL

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1471712]2. I was suggesting it would be easier to pull this off if the man in the video was working with you. Do it with a willing male friend. If you will be in Bangkok alone, you might be able to use ISG to recruit someone to work with you. Guys who are exhibitionists might get into it.[/QUOTE]I understand that my best shot would be a freelance.

What is the best location to choose a freelance from (what streets? What pub? Location?) , as I would like to have a big variety to choose from.

Secondly, what is ISG?

Although all of you, guys, called it filming a porn, my mind was different. My intention is to use it only for my private collection, not commercially, not for the internet, not for anything else. I know that the girl might suspect otherwise, but this is my thought.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1471788]One should be cautious regarding medical conclusions offered on this and all anonymous sites.[/QUOTE]I'd second this statement, that ISG is not a site to gather good info about Testosterone Replacement Therapy for yourself. If you have Low T, or think you have it, go to a doctor and have them run the necessary blood tests. These look at all of your hormonal markers, not just Testosterone. High levels of Estradiol can also make a difference to a mans mood, and to his body, for instance. Only a blood test and a good doctor will give you realistic options to consider. And don't compare advice from young bodybuilders using steroids as being informative to older men using Testosterone (along with anti-aromatising products) in order to maintain a good quality of life. They are as different as night from day.

Let's be healthy, be educated about this, and support people in making good choices. Testosterone replacement needs caution, to be sure, but it offers help in the same way estrogen replacement helps older women.

-Gunga

[QUOTE=Btbtbt68; 1471936]I understand that my best shot would be a freelance.

What is the best location to choose a freelance from (what streets? What pub? Location?) , as I would like to have a big variety to choose from.

Secondly, what is ISG?

Although all of you, guys, called it filming a porn, my mind was different. My intention is to use it only for my private collection, not commercially, not for the internet, not for anything else. I know that the girl might suspect otherwise, but this is my thought.[/QUOTE]This is ISG. International Sex Guide. Write a post on this thread asking guys who are in Bangkok at the same time you will be doing this if any are interested. Tell the ones who are to send you a PM (private message). You will have to become a paying member to have private message capability. All of this is explained within this website.

I thought this was something for your private viewing. What I think is irrelevant. I think the girls may think you're planning to use the video to make money.

There is information in this thread about good places to pick up freelancers. A few I'd mention are: Club Climax (in the Ambassador Hotel on Soi 11) , Nana Disco (in the Nana Hotel close to Nana Plaza) , Insanity (on Soi 22 near Time Square) , any of the beer bars, off the streets.