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[QUOTE=Canyon;2035716]Are they still wearing black and white clothes in Bangkok after the King's death, or have they gone back to wearing clothes with colors?[/QUOTE]You can wear whatever you want as long as it's not offensive. But around this time of year I advise shorts and thin tops to be comfortable. Most young tourists travel light and cycle through the same 3-4 outfits or buy the generic 3 for 500 baht t-shirts off the bargain rack.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2035875]What are the BFs are Soi Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Considering you took a Coyote girl in the past and supposedly paid 3000 baht for her bar fine, I can understand why you would ask.
Normal Soi Cowboy BF is 700 baht. If you take a coyote, all bets are off. They will normally ask 1500 for BF and want more for ST and LT than the other girls, but they could ask any amount. Some coyotes won't go home with you at all. I don't even mess with the coyotes. I won't even buy them a drink. I'd prefer they weren't there at all.
If you want anal, go to Eden Club, not soi cowboy. The Eden Club girls are well trained and up for anything including anal, lesbian, strap-ONS and outfits. But the girls at Eden club are not young for the most part.
At Soi Cowboy, after paying the bar fine, fees for the girls for short time and long time are different depending on the bar. For example, if you go to Baccara or Crazy House, the girls will be more expensive than if you go to Tilac, Rawhide, Long Gun, etc. You just have to try the bars and find a girl you like then negotiate price. I have never paid more than 3000 for short time and that girl was an absolute stunner. Average short time these days is 2000 to 2500 baht. Long time, I have no idea because I have zero interest in taking any of these girls long time. I work in the morning and want them to leave my room 5 minutes after I cum.
Since you like Germany, you may want to try a bar on soi 33 that has girls doing S&M shows. I think it's called Demonia or something like that. There are some very nice girls on soi 33, but they are more expensive than soi cowboy.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035891] Average short time these days is 2000 to 2500 baht. Long time, I have no idea because I have zero interest in taking any of these girls long time.[/QUOTE]It seems like 3000 is becoming more common. Have seen this magic number come up many times at the busier / popular places (Shark in SC, Billboard in Nana). As for Pattaya, same for popular places like skyfall. Any place with lot's of mamasans wants 3000ST.
But the smaller places with no or few mamasans (mercury in nana) can easily get 2000-2500. Also the young / cute / taller ones always want 3000 but the middle-of-the-road girls (at the busier places) can do 2000-2500. However, I think the talent (service AND looks) tends to be at the busier places so you do get more value on the premium if you pay more. It's all a business / market afterall.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2035891] Some coyotes won't go home with you at all. I don't even mess with the coyotes. I won't even buy them a drink. I'd prefer they weren't there at all.
Since you like Germany, you may want to try a bar on soi 33 that has girls doing S&M shows. I think it's called Demonia or something like that. There are some very nice girls on soi 33, but they are more expensive than soi cowboy.[/QUOTE]Coyotes used to be not barfinable or not available for sex. It's all changing. All these agency girls are coming to work in the bars especially Nana and they are designated as Coyotes. All girls in Billboard are Coyotes except for those in the bath suds I think.
Half the time Coyote label is just an excuse to charge more for barfines. Many do not know how to dance Coyote style and don't even have the normal Coyote outfit. The normal outfit has cut off jean shorts or similar very short shorts exposing some ass cheek, and up top a double layer bra possibly with padding and extreme push up. The idea is that you don't know that a high proportion of Coyotes in Nana have no tits to speak of, and possibly the same in Cowboy. Coyotes are spreading there badly, including Lighthouse, Doll House etc. Thankfully none in Crazy House because it's the nudie house.
Asking the staff at Twisters, which girls were Coyotes, got confusing and conflicting answers. The waitresses clearly don't know. I think the bottom line is at any bar where the BF is 1000 or higher, then the girl is designated as a Coyote, no matter how dressed, as long as not topless or nude or exposing pussy. Coyotes are above that sort of thing, which is why we have to be wary of them. However bras can be pulled aside to check out the tits a bit and see how much is just padding.
Liking Germany (for mongering) has zero to do with S&M, or perhaps the reason for mentioning that is located further back, and I did not pay attention.
I have certainly done a few of the Coyotes with cheaper barfines, like 1000 or so. Anna at Mercury was a girl I had fucked before, and girls at Billboard, Twisters, and recently Doll House were designated as Coyotes I think but it meant very little in practice, other than tits were very well covered before peeking in some cases. They all had smallish tits because I avoid sillies.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2035879]Not much discussion on prices the posts use inside knowledge which I don't have.[/QUOTE]Wrong. The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. You did not search or read.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035965]The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. [/QUOTE]So much so I think we need a separate thread for Cheap Charlie's named "Bangkok and Pattaya budget reviews". Guys can post all their "living in the past" and "good old days" comments as well as finding FL's for under 800 baht.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;2035613]I think the poster misidentified some Thai girls in Thermae who try to look Japanese by taking on their hair styles, dress etc. In order to attract the Japanese guys. Obviously confused.[/QUOTE]I did. Apologies if I got anyone's hopes up, LOL.
Clearly I haven't read and memorized every post in the thread, or I would have known better!
It is nice they at least try to look Japanese.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2035965]Wrong. The Thailand forum is notorious for discussions on price. You did not search or read.[/QUOTE]The last review with price listed at expensive gogo is how many pages back?
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2035893]It seems like 3000 is becoming more common. [/QUOTE]I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2036036]I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.[/QUOTE]So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.
Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!
Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2036054]So if in 1999 go go girls got 1000 bt for ST and in 2017 go go girls get 3000 bt for ST then by my calculations that would make it a 6.29 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices over 18 years. And if instead we assume in 2017 go go girls get 2500 bt for ST, then that would make it a 5.22 % annual rate of inflation in go go girly prices.
Anyway you slice it, its not good because the go go girly rate increases far exceed the annual rate of inflation and wage increases in the developed countries where most foreign punters travel from to LOS for a little hanky panky as well as Thailand itself which averaged 2% annual rate of inflation despite a few peaks and troughs and very tame recent rate of inflation over the same 18 year time period. BUT actually it's not the end of the world economically speaking. I have seen far larger increases in goods and services in my time in America back in the '70s and 80's, which explains why the aggregate demand for Thai pussy has not fallen off, YET!
Assuming the 6.29 rate of go go wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000bt will be the asking price in 4.75 years (early 2022) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 8.5 years or by January 1, 2026. Now assuming that the 5.22% rate of go go girl wage inflation will continue into the future; 4000 bt will be the asking price in 6 years (2023) and 5000 bt will be the asking price in 10 years (2027). So better make a lot of money gents, start shopping for SW's, or settle down with your one or two special girls LOL. Hey, what was the price of Soi 4 SW's in 1999?[/QUOTE]In '99 I paid 500 Baht for SW, 1 k ST 1. 5 K LT for GoGo gals, and 1 K for Thermae gals. Pattaya paid 500 Baht for Soi 6 gals and 1 k ST 1. 5 K LT for GoGo gals. FL in Pattaya between 500 and 1 k.
My point exactly, the rate for gals has far exceeded the inflation rate here, and you are not getting more bang for your buck. In most cases it is less. FL prices have increased at reasonable rate. GoGo prices have not. BFs in the late 90's were 400 in Cowboy and 500 in Nana. Also drinks were sub 100 Baht. And remember, you received 40 plus Baht per USD. BF. ST, and a couple of drinks would not even be 50 USD. Now you are hard pressed to get that under 125 USD.
But blame the punters not the gals. If there are dudes willing to pay that for 15-30 min of action; good on the gal for being able to get it. But it has completely ruined the GoGo scene for a vast majority of the guys I know.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2036036]I may be mistaken, but I think back in 1999, drinks were the same price as they are now. However, the price of girls has tripled.[/QUOTE]Drinks were far cheaper. Most places in Cowboy were sub 100 Baht. Nana was 100 Baht. That was less that 2 USD in the case of Cowboy.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2035989]So much so I think we need a separate thread for Cheap Charlie's named "Bangkok and Pattaya budget reviews". Guys can post all their "living in the past" and "good old days" comments as well as finding FL's for under 800 baht.[/QUOTE]As I have stated many times; I would have no problem paying current prices if looks and performance were reflected in price. But to pay three times the amount one used to pay for subpar service is ridiculous.
Planning another visit so checked out ISG Thailand to see what's going on. I must have spent the guts of an hour getting up to date. Sad to say the Thai forum has become a platform for certain members to incessantly talk about themselves, what they like what they dislike how they spend their evenings yadda yadda yadda. Don't they have friends to chat with?. It's not to say they don't now and then have something useful to contribute but mostly it's just too many self-indulgent and irrelevant posts at least for a simple lad like myself who is just interested in the who, where, what and how much. I know I get it what is this post contributing? Nothing, but it's just the one not thousands. So anyway two of my favorites are gone Nataree and Tandy massage. Anybody know where the girls who worked at Nataree went. I guess all over the place but sometimes a large chunk might have transferred to a particular outfit. Looking forward to Crazy Horse and some individual providers with good reviews.
[QUOTE=Cool;2035889]You can wear whatever you want as long as it's not offensive. But around this time of year I advise shorts and thin tops to be comfortable. Most young tourists travel light and cycle through the same 3-4 outfits or buy the generic 3 for 500 baht t-shirts off the bargain rack.[/QUOTE]He was asking about the locals. And yes they are still in morning until after the cremation. Then they can return to their colorful lifestyles.
RL.