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[QUOTE=Giotto]The Rabbit KTV,
Just as a reminder:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=947779&postcount=3742[/URL][/QUOTE]
Are you sure it isn't just being blocked by that big ass tree out front that blocks your sign when coming from Sukhumvit. If you could tear it down it'd be easier to find the place!
[QUOTE=Giotto]Nvslim,
King Solomon, wow, too much honour ... ok, my take on the issue:
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The Sage of Soi 33 has wisely spoken. Your post was as I expected. You thoughtfully looked into the problem, determined what went wrong, and formulated an amicable solution.
Fox 2's gentlemanly behavior was proper and unlike some of the other comments. Not sure I could be so fair minded. I am learning to smile and not let the ants ruin the picnic.
It's nice to hear all side of a story.
People in the main Thai forum suggest LL for a stay and you as source of info because they know they will get a fair shake.
Damn, I sound like one of the shills "The Pro" keeps sounding off about and I have never even been to Thailand.
Hoping you have a Happy and prosperous New Year.
Slim
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Aw come on.... spill it... who are they... I've got four ISG handles on the tip of my tongue... and the all start with "T" But I'm trying to figure out which one of the four you dislike the most.[/QUOTE]
I can't think of any 'T's who argue online with 'G' who are cheap charlies: Traveler1234 is a sycophant who only play-argues with him; The Traveler doesn't post anymore, but he was never an underpayer and his dispute with G was IMO a clash of egos between countrymen; Nobody knows what The Departed pays unless we tie him in with Skinless and all the subsequent aliases. Me? I was always accused of overpaying, but I got a taste for arguing with G after he started telling big porkies to promote his business and when he continued in the same vein to promote his self-serving political views; You, Tansak, you referring to yourself? You also play-argue with the Fanmeister, and you've never come across as a cheapo merchant. Who could you be referring to?
[QUOTE=Giotto]
It was argued in the reports below that such a thing should not happen in a higher class bar such as Livingstone’s Lodge Sports Lounge pretends to be. My answer would be: Dream on! It will happen from time to time, whatever training we do, how many times we explain rules and expected behaviour ... it will happen from time to time even with girls from the high end gentlemen clubs. It’s an unavoidable, unpleasant side-effect of the business. The only option we have is trying to reduce the number of occurences to a minimum.
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I have to strongly agree with "dream on"!
How many times has a girl's period started on a night she was with me. Many! These things are not always predictable. Many girls have irregular periods.
A good girl at LL told me she had her period and therefore not to barfine her. That was her personal standard. Even though she was very keen to go with me, she said.
Another girl, a relative newbie was embarassed and consulted the masasan(s). The mamasan said, no problem, just use a sponge (girl's story, but I believe it). This is common practice. The mamasan no longer works at LL. BTW, this was actually my 2nd night with the girl. On the first night her performance was adequate and she was very pretty.
2nd night, I discovered the sponge (too difficult to get in there - I'm not small enough ;)) and asked the girl to remove it. She said she couldn't as was her period. Why wasn't I told up front??? Too embarrassing for her perhaps.
As the girl wasn't super at blow-job, I gave the girl a minimal tip, as we had already started to attempt sex, and sent her on her way so that I still had time to find another girl. I probably should have asked for the BF back as to me the problem was probably caused by the mamasan but I didn't want to make a fuss. I blamed the mamasan for not recommedning the customer be told.
For the girl, it was win, win, win! She got BFed, got to go home early, got a small tip, and had no hassles. The girl would believe I was a nice guy and treated her well by not making trouble. Its wise to get a reputation in the bar for being nice and not making trouble.
For me, the night wasn't a bomb-out. I had averted the problems and found a hot girl replacement at Soi Cowboy.
Get used it. Things don't always go to plan. Girls periods are a problem. You need to have a fall back plan.
I have not posted in a few months but I stay at Livingstone"s when I come to Thailand more than a few times.
I have to say that I have not ever stayed at a hotel that fixes any problems faster and in such a correct way as Giotto and Som did for me the last time I was there a few months ago.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]I can't think of any 'T's who argue online with 'G' who are cheap charlies: Traveler1234 is a sycophant who only play-argues with him; The Traveler doesn't post anymore, but he was never an underpayer and his dispute with G was IMO a clash of egos between countrymen; Nobody knows what The Departed pays unless we tie him in with Skinless and all the subsequent aliases. Me? I was always accused of overpaying, but I got a taste for arguing with G after he started telling big porkies to promote his business and when he continued in the same vein to promote his self-serving political views; You, Tansak, you referring to yourself? You also play-argue with the Fanmeister, and you've never come across as a cheapo merchant. Who could you be referring to?[/QUOTE]Terry Terrier,
You are correct about the T's. And - I definitely was NOT referring to anybody, as I explained already.
Some other facts of your post are simply wrong. The Departed never argued with me - I think you mixed him up with The Pro. And I never told any "big porkies" to promote my business, the report that must be written to get the ISG discount does not necessarily contain anything about Livingstone's, target is to support the forum.
As for your new provocation strategy in regards of my political views - I don't think that you have any idea about my political views. I also don't think that - besides some minor clarifications of facts we had in the Thai Politics thread some years ago - I would use this forum to seriously discuss my political opinions.
Giotto
I have to say that the last time I stayed at Livingstone's, there was a MAJOR problem that arose from one of the staff that created a situation that could have pretty much ruined my life as I knew it.
I want to clarify that the staff member that caused the problem did so completely by accident. It was a problem with the idiosyncrasies between the Thai and English languages that exploded into something that could have been real ugly.
Giotto immediately got a hold of me and we sat down and I explained exactly what happened, I told Giotto that I didn't think this situation could be resolved even though it all started as a complete misunderstanding that went all wrong.
Giotto immediately called a staff meeting and in the ensuing time Som who in my opinion is wise in the ways of human nature as anyone I know, got involved and literally in one phone call, with her calm and professional ways, and much to my utter amazement fixed the problem in about 3 minutes.
That phone call from Som to the other person fixed for me what could have been a life altering situation. I guess what I am trying to sum up is that Giotto and Som demonstrated to me is that they will and did go far beyond what they had to do to make things right for one of their guests. I have not stayed there as much as other people but I would like to think that I can count on Giotto and Som and their staff more than any other place I have stayed over the 30 years I have been traveling all over the world.
All the naysayer's out there I sure will jump on this report, but my graditude will always be with Giotto and Som for what they did for me.
Giotto, I don't know if you remember the incident last September with the phone call to the front desk but again I thank you for the way you and Som helped me out with the debacle and made the whole problem go away in no time at all.
Just wanted to add my two cents on how Livingstone's seems to always be there when a situation arises with one of their guests.
If you remember Giotto I ended up at Tawadang German Brewery with the two girls who were "blasted" when we came back to LL. I would also like to add that every girl I took from the Sports Lounge was "first rate"
Thanks again Giotto, I look forward to staying at LL again as always,
Weird One
First a [i]disclaimer:[/i]
Sometimes I stay at Livingstone's Lodge. The rooms are comfortable and the food is delicious. Several former Sports Bar women continue to be my friends long past our "play" time. New Year's Eve I stayed there so I could enjoy the Pool+Staff Party without heading back to my apartment across Bangkok at 4 am. Breakfast was great. No small furry animals were tortured for this endorsement.
[i]In regard to the recent discussion on this thread about a disappointed player...[/i]
My take on dealing with women who provide P4P services is that it is up to each individual to act respectfully [i]and,[/i] to take responsibility for how the encounter plays out. The man ("customer") is in the power position, has the money, and normally initiates the "deal." The woman is just the enabler, however coercive and conniving she may seem. Unless there is a robbery or a complete negative collapse in the encounter, a gentleman should and will do the right thing without falling back on others, (e.g., the management), to smooth things out.
As Dr. G writes, these are Thai woman who act and think much differently than a Western male will ever understand. Everyone of them is an individual usually just trying to make a baht, and/or, to find a man to take care of them. Remember, a lot of these women are barely out of their teens. Imagine dealing with a 20 year old woman in your own country?
I say to those who feel slighted if their encounter does not meet their expectation: [i] live, learn and move on.[/i] Use the experience to maximize you next adventure.
Hi,
I am new to this forum, went for the first time to livingstone one evening last month and had a drink while playing pool with Som, I thought she was the mamasan and I liked her conversation but reading a recent post, I understand she is not the mamasan, so who is she then and how should I adress to her when I go back?. Sorry for stupid questions like that but I hate to be rude and/or offending to nice people.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Fon Tok]First a [i]disclaimer:[/i]
[i]In regard to the recent discussion on this thread about a disappointed player...[/i]
I say to those who feel slighted if their encounter does not meet their expectation: [i] live, learn and move on.[/i] Use the experience to maximize you next adventure.[/QUOTE]
Your point is well taken and generally applicable to most situations. I would add though that pulling a girl from the same place you stay at adds an extra dimension that should be considered. The girls all talk and that has repercussions on your dealings with them. If you give in to unreasonable demands, you get branded as easy pickings by the other girls. If you make a girl lose face by tossing her out and going to the management about it, the girls will likely hesitate to go with you. Remember, the girls are free to refuse barfines at LL. So if you want to pull a different girl later, how you treat the first girl should be factored in somewhere.
Cheers!
F2
[QUOTE=Weird One]I have to say that the last time I stayed at Livingstone's, there was a MAJOR problem that arose from one of the staff that created a situation that could have pretty much ruined my life as I knew it.......................
I want to clarify
Weird One[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I really don't know - BUT.... ain't you guys here also curious to know what EXACTLY happened?
I mean... its at least been 4 days since Weird one wrote his post!
Is it so often that you guys run across something that "happens that could have pretty much ruined a life" ..... that it's no big deal to you guys and that y'all can go on WITHOUT at least asking what happened?
Weird one - If you don't mind AND of course if you could..... could you please tell us (oh OK - primarily moi!!) what exactly happened? For something so momentous to have happened.... and then 3 minutes later PRESTO - solved??!!
I cannot for the life of me even try to figure it out at all - and would really appreciate it if you will humour me with telling what exactly happened.
Many thanks before hand!
Signed:
Curious, old busy-body SEAJ
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]I don't know, I really don't know - BUT.... ain't you guys here also curious to know what EXACTLY happened?...
[/QUOTE]No, we are not :) .
Giotto
[QUOTE=Corso 33]...
I am new to this forum, went for the first time to livingstone one evening last month and had a drink while playing pool with Som, I thought she was the mamasan and I liked her conversation but reading a recent post, I understand she is not the mamasan, so who is she then and how should I adress to her when I go back?. Sorry for stupid questions like that but I hate to be rude and/or offending to nice people.
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[/QUOTE]Corso 33,
Som? Who is that?
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]No, we are not :) .
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Oh you be quiet!
Orrrrrr...... is what happened something which will reflect badly on Livingstone's - in which case I will of course be the one who shaddup!
SEAJ
As far as what happened at Livingstone's with the Major Problem with me, will stay between Myself and Giotto and Som, but suffice to say that Giotto and Staff handled the problem with such class and respect that I will always be thankful to them.
Also it was was NOT Giotto or Som's fault in any way, actually it came about over something I didn't take care of myself and a miscomnication with someone. Thanks to them both, they came to my "rescue" it was solved 100%.
I personally cannot say enough good things about Giotto, and the way he runs his establishment. It is First Class all the way as far as I am concerned, sorry guys about not delving into what happened in more detail but some things are better left buriied.