Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059820]Which is more than a lot of Americans make.

I guess I just see the girls as fellow humans rather than slaves. Sure; I will treat them like a piece of meat in the bedroom but after that I have nothing but respect and would hate to see them make only 1. 5 k for a night of getting fucked hard by an ugly old man.[/QUOTE]I would say that most Americans make more than 69 USD per day. Even 120 K Baht a month would not go far in most US cities that were desirable to live in. Might do ok in Tulsa or Birmingham, but any coastal city or even Austin or Denver? Forget it.

And personally I don't ever treat them like a piece of meat. All night? Sure that is worth more than 1. 5 K, but for a ST that is probably going to be way less than an hour, if the gal has any say, it's a pretty good rate of pay.

[QUOTE=ParkVille;2059838]Thailand is a developing nation, prices are rising faster than inflation for services (wages). Meaning, prices of everything is always rising due to inflation, in every country. But in Thailand, wages are rising outside of inflation alone, as they are developing into a more robust economy, and away from simple slavery style work (farming, sewing, manual product assembly). If you want good dollar value, I have heard that Laos girls do FS for about as low as $5/ hour. I am being serious. There are cheaper areas, but Thailand is a developing nation. Third world prices are history, just as their poverty status is history. You want third world pricing, don't come to Thailand. It's only getting more expensive. Also, as the rest of Asia and other markets develop, that means more tourists with money who are not Americans / etc. That already has an obvious effect on prices. And with the female shortage in China, combined with their rising middle class, I wouldn't look toward Thailand as a place to secure cheap pussy well into the next 1-2 decades.[/QUOTE]I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2059870]I would say that most Americans make more than 69 USD per day. Even 120 K Baht a month would not go far in most US cities that were desirable to live in. Might do ok in Tulsa or Birmingham, but any coastal city or even Austin or Denver? Forget it.

And personally I don't ever treat them like a piece of meat. All night? Sure that is worth more than 1. 5 K, but for a ST that is probably going to be way less than an hour, if the gal has any say, it's a pretty good rate of pay.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but you're way off, Asia has developed and the USA has declined, the gap is not as big as you think. Thailand is not cheap.

[QUOTE=Nixonbd;2059865]Not familiar with Bangkok Beat, but I stopped in the Beer Garden Bar, which was pretty crowded with older freelancers. Similar set up as the Pattaya Beer Garden. Seemed like a good set up and far enough removed from Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]Happy to ehar that, I am also a friend of Soi7 beergarden (it was repeatedly said it was closed): ladies may not be the youngest but they know their job, in sharp contrast to the young sexy girls in gogos. I you like good service, usually GFE, that's the place. And being frank (I am a european), even ladies aged 35-40 are still lokking better than most caucasian ones of same age.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2059765]Depends on your tastes. I'll take one of my top gogo girls, some of which are half euro half Thai. You're also assuming ST with a gogo girl is 1 hour which it definitely isn't if you are fun to hang out with.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059771]
ST is about 2 hours and includes CIM.

Try getting BBBJ CIM 2 hour OUTCALL off a western girl for under $100.
[/QUOTE]Many thanks for the clarifications guys! Your feedback is helping me pull the trigger to a Thailand trip later this year.

I'm really happy to hear that ST is really closer to 2 hours. That really changes my math and makes my decision so much easier. From reading lots of posts in the Thailand forums, I somehow got the impression that it was commonplace for girls to bolt after the first pop in ST to try to get back to the club as quickly as possible to make their next ST. But from what you guys are saying, this bolting after the first pop appears to be the exception and not the norm.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Gannaton48;2059952]Happy to ehar that, I am also a friend of Soi7 beergarden (it was repeatedly said it was closed): ladies may not be the youngest but they know their job, in sharp contrast to the young sexy girls in gogos. I you like good service, usually GFE, that's the place. And being frank (I am a european), even ladies aged 35-40 are still lokking better than most caucasian ones of same age.[/QUOTE]That's a understatement the last sentence. You esp. Notice when you see some of the European GF's / wives / tourists walking around in Thailand. Shocking the difference.

I am back in Thai in 3 weeks and I am going to try your theory of 'older' woman. Last time (1st time) I literally only picked new farm girls as I thought with my age it would be better to relate or so (sometimes you aren't clear thinking there with the heat and all) but the sex was def. Way off a good level. Yes they were fun to hang out with but very average on the other level with all the shyness it involves and all. I'll be back in a few with my findings.

UH, just to clarify my gogo experience is in pattaya, not Bangkok. I'm saying my personal experience so not sure what the norm is. If you are nice to the girl, have the ability to entertain them, dress nice, stay in a decent hotel, and most importantly not come across as a cheap Charlie I doubt girls will bolt after an hour. On the contrary they will be begging you to repeat with them.

[QUOTE=RobertLong;2059797]My Girlfriend works for the Thai government and makes 70,000 a month. $69.00 a day which is not bad. But she has her masters and is a government officer. Makes all the difference.

RL.[/QUOTE]70,000 THB is outstanding money for Thailand. I am currently paying people to work in my field 300 THB a day (lunch and water supplied). Bending over planting rice in the heat and humidity and working the land for 8-9 Hours a Day,6 days a week. 7,200 THB a month, however this work is not ongoing. They are very happy for the work and the amount they get. Mongers on here banging on about how Thailand is a robust economy and you need 120,000 THB a month to live comfortably? Quite frankly Sirs you have your heads up your asses.

Stickboy Bangkok reports today that Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar's No Barfine policy experiment is over. The owner has called it off after only three days. Apparently, the communication effort about what exactly was the deal was so poor, improvised scams by the staff and girls were rampant. They made up stuff like "Must buy three Lady Drinks first". And we already know some were not informing customers about the No Barfine policy at all in order to steal 700 baht from the customer before the ST / LT take out even began. Also, asshole customers, the few who had heard about the deal on the 'net, were ordering one bottle of water and taking out three girls! LOL. Big surprise.

My guess is the legacy of this will be that this kind of concept failed and is a bad idea, never try it again, instead of what it ought to be; there were ways to make it work but the idea wasn't well thought out to begin with and the owner's efforts at communication about it sucked.

My advice; be clean, keep fit, invest in after-shave and wear a nice shirt. Have a fresh haircut and don't be shy. Be very polite before the session starts. Dominate the girl as much as possible once it begins. Agree to two hours before and if she tries to leave early talk to her firmly like you would any other employee. Discuss everything you want in advanced; specify you want 2 hours out of ST including pillow talk after or just pay for LT 5 k.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2060161]Stickboy Bangkok reports today that Bangkok Bunnies go-go bar's No Barfine policy experiment is over. The owner has called it off after only three days. Apparently, the communication effort about what exactly was the deal was so poor, improvised scams by the staff and girls were rampant. They made up stuff like "Must buy three Lady Drinks first". And we already know some were not informing customers about the No Barfine policy at all in order to steal 700 baht from the customer before the ST / LT take out even began. Also, asshole customers, the few who had heard about the deal on the 'net, were ordering one bottle of water and taking out three girls! LOL. Big surprise.

My guess is the legacy of this will be that this kind of concept failed and is a bad idea, never try it again, instead of what it ought to be; there were ways to make it work but the idea wasn't well thought out to begin with and the owner's efforts at communication about it sucked.[/QUOTE]Shame really. Great idea, but you are spot on; it probably was not well planned and all involved did not understand what was going on.

[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2059944]Sorry but you're way off, Asia has developed and the USA has declined, the gap is not as big as you think. Thailand is not cheap.[/QUOTE]Thailand is not as cheap as it used to be, but it is still cheaper than the US. A nice 2-2 in Dallas will run you over 2 K USD. 65 K Baht here gets you a rock star pad. Don't have to own a car in BKK. A 2 K USD motorbike will get you around just fine. 100 Baht in petrol a week and cost you about 30 bucks to ensure and register it per year. Health insurance is way cheaper. Food is cheaper, especially if you shop in the markets. Going out to eat in the US is very expensive now. Maid in Thailand; very cheap. In country air tickets and hotels; again very cheap. I'm not off at all sir. Now, if you want to argue about what people make vs the cost of living the US; people in the US make more, quite a bit more. Craft beer, good alcohol, western foods in the supermarket? More expensive in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2060167]Shame really. Great idea, but you are spot on; it probably was not well planned and all involved did not understand what was going on.[/QUOTE]As Stickboy pointed out in his report, the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks first" ideas actually have merit. Even the improvised scams by the staff and girls were better thought out than what the owner of the bar came up with. LOL.

A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2060170]A better concept is make barfine 1000 baht or whatever amount. If a customer orders 1000 baht in lady drinks then barfine is zero. If they order 600 baht lady drinks barfine is 400 baht.[/QUOTE]From a logical viewpoint, that is not bad. But from a practical viewpoint, I can see nothing but endless discussions shouted in a loud go-go bar among customer, server and girl over how the math of that works out, whether his multiple drinks count in the calculation or not, more improvised scam attempts in the mix by everyone customer included, very difficult to explain it in a few words if anyone even tried to put it on a sign and all of that. Many language challenged guys will only get that the barfine for this girl was only 400 baht yesterday, why is it 700 baht today? and needing it to be explained to him for the umpteenth time and on and on. But the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks and the Barfine is free" type of idea is cleaner and clearer, imo.

I mean, they can just collect the 700-1000 baht, call it a barine and not bother serving the Lady Drinks at all or only one of them if that is agreeable to the girl and customer who want to just move on and not sit and drink any longer, of course. But the incremental calculation idea is a bit too cumbersome, imo.

Then again, even with the "Buy 3 Lady Drinks..." idea, there will be tons of times when the guy will buy a girl 2 Lady Drinks, she will excuse herself to "go toilet" and never return. Or show up 3 minutes later sitting on the other side of the bar with another customer...that's when the real fun begins. lol.