Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=TheCane;2986963]Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people: [URL]https://youtu.be/VaW2BNNCnrE?si=zf0ZBIv37AozlGSc[/URL].[/QUOTE]The Video is actually made me say wtf. Who is this presenter? Is he seriously deranged in his idea that "we used to be the good guys but now we're not"? LOL, what deluded BS!

Those seriously ill informed that "it were not always ever so" I would advise a little edification. I don't like Trump and I think his behaviour demeaned America but simply the only difference between him and predecessors is that he wears his intentions on his sleeve. There never was a "truth, justice and American way" golden period. What will happen to Ukraine is just another in the series of governments, states and leaders, some democratic, which America has deposed throughout history. The nerve of this presenter in brushing aside misadventures with "oh sure we made mistakes". Millions dead in Vietnam is not a "mistake". Nor was Iraq a "mistake". Nor is the systematic theft of the Palestinian's lands a "mistake". Nor was the deposition of a Iran's democracy a "mistake". These were calculated decisions by America, to further its interests at the time historically or more recently as a consequence of influence and lobbying on the levers of Government (which yet again makes a mockery about its democratic credentials) by nefarious confederations of neo-cons and zionists.

The American people aren't stupider than any other- they are very ill informed about the world though- and they are subject to the same demagoguery that populists throughout the world and throughout history have used successfully.

Ukraine is a pawn between America and Russia and they need to accept reality that a ceasefire on their terms is unlikely- I don't blame Zalinsky for holding out but he will need to face reality. A reality that the ROW including the dumb fuck Europeans are only now waking up to. That when someone smiles at you and charms you and acts like he's your buddy but acts like a motherfucker to others, then the fool is you for believing that the same won't happen to you sooner or later.

None of this detracts from the stupidity of Trump in turning an almost win-win-win-win deal (America-Ukraine-Russia-World) situation into a lose-lose-lose-win scenario. The man's a fucking idiot, not a deal maker.

But the simple fact remains, it's those who bought into America's consistent self interested disingenuity and duplicity have only themselves to blame.

[QUOTE=Questner;2987199]Trump has to put all his chips in or move 'va banque' (and this is never done in real estate where risk the borrowed funds) to achieve any success. Without it two years from now the conflict still be ongoing. Ukrainian won't sign anything. The British war party prefers muddy waters and war to any peace. The resource 'deal' is a joke. The resources are there to benefit the oligarchs with a few crumbs left for budget, why would anyone allow the spoils to flow west?

Also, let's start to debunk cliches. A war to the last Ukrainian is one of them. Once 60% plus of the army will be wiped out the AFU will collapse. The war will end then (unless Europeans step in to die).

'Putin can't be trusted' is another cliche. You don't have to trust him to sign a treaty with the RF. Putin is not a religion.

Another cliche: There were no elections in Great Britain during WWII. So what? There were elections in the US during WWII and also technically Ukraine is not at war, there is only Marshal law in the country. Ukraine did not declare war on Russia. Russia did not declare war on Ukraine. So, Rada should oust the bastard and call on elections.[/QUOTE]Ukrainians and even Porochenko are behind Zelensky about this war only due to Putin craziness, and Trump is as crazy. When Europe gave more money than USA and should give again much more, Ukraine should not sign anything when can t trust schizophrene Trump who just want to rob them. The world saw the shame of Trump and Vance who are sucking Putin in front of all of us.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2987186]There is no doubt anymore why Trump and Vance put on that show on Feb 28. It's all clear as day. Turned a bit clumsy, but they got a formal excuse they can now throw at some of their supporters who love Trump and dislike Putin. This is what it was all about from the beginning.

[B]U.S. Pauses All Military Aid to Ukraine[/B]

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-pauses-all-military-aid-to-ukraine/ar-AA1AaF5c[/URL]

From now on, only morons or scumbags can keep denying Trump / Vance's CLEAR INTENT to derail the deal and throw Putin a rope. Good job America.[/QUOTE]It's the only way to bring that clown you jerk off to to the negotiating table. Time to end the bloodshed and make peace.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2987337]Ukrainians and even Porochenko are behind Zelensky about this war only due to Putin craziness, and Trump is as crazy. When Europe gave more money than USA and should give again much more, Ukraine should not sign anything when can t trust schizophrene Trump who just want to rob them. The world saw the shame of Trump and Vance who are sucking Putin in front of all of us.[/QUOTE]Well, you are already wrong: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us-ukraine-prepare-sign-minerals-deal-tuesday-sources-say-2025-03-04/[/URL].

If anyone wants to know what really happened, here you go. This is the discussion of two real journalists, Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS8rneA7cWY[/URL].

Short version is Zelensky was prepped to do what he did by American Democrats and European leaders. The plan was to shame Trump, embrace Zelensky, and keep the war money flowing. It was almost a we dare you to cut the money off Trump. The leader of this movement was Keir Starmer of the UK (yes them again! So Zelensky goes to London right after the meeting with Trump is done. Starmer tells Zelensky how welcome he is and Zelensky meets with King Charles. It is photo op city. Starmer tells Zelensky the UK, unlike the USA, is with you until the end.

The plan has since blow up. Congressional Republicans have stood with Trump, and in a recent poll, Americans favor a cease fire in Ukraine 79-16 percent. Americans feel even more strongly on this issue than trans men playing in women's sports. And Trump tells the military to stop aid to Zelensky. Estimates are Zelensky has 3 months of arms left and then they are done.

The funny part with all this was Starmer saying the UK planned to put boots on the ground and planes in the air, and there was this idea the Europeans were going to being fighting side by side with Ukraine. The hilarious part is the UK has 25 working tanks versus Russia's nearly 2000. [URL]https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/[/URL].

Thing is France has a little over 100, and Germany has a little over 300. Only Poland and Turkey have a decent sized military and as for Poland sending in troops, given how the Poles feel about Ukrainians, I will believe it when I see it.

When all is said and done though, this looks like a huge win for Trump, Americans, and the people of Ukraine.

So the dollar tree Trump AKA JD insulted and humilitated the British. Brilliant! The British have been kissing American Ass ever since WW2 and the more America treats them like its *****, the more they suck up to America. How utterly contemptible. But even they are now protesting because despite them having followed America's summoning into an unholy assault on Iraq for no reason whatsoever, Dollar Tree Trump demeaned them by saying they haven't fought in decades and don't know the meaning of war. Not only is there no gratitude by the Americans, but there is outright contempt for the British. Good!

The Brits are protesting but what are they going to really do? Write a strict letter of complaint? LOL!! No, they'll just take it up the ass and squeal like piggy's, boys.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987300]The Video is actually made me say wtf. Who is this presenter? Is he seriously deranged in his idea that "we used to be the good guys but now we're not"? LOL, what deluded BS!

Those seriously ill informed that "it were not always ever so" I would advise a little edification. I don't like Trump and I think his behaviour demeaned America but simply the only difference between him and predecessors is that he wears his intentions on his sleeve. There never was a "truth, justice and American way" golden period. What will happen to Ukraine is just another in the series of governments, states and leaders, some democratic, which America has deposed throughout history. The nerve of this presenter in brushing aside misadventures with "oh sure we made mistakes". Millions dead in Vietnam is not a "mistake". Nor was Iraq a "mistake". Nor is the systematic theft of the Palestinian's lands a "mistake". Nor was the deposition of a Iran's democracy a "mistake". These were calculated decisions by America, to further its interests at the time historically or more recently as a consequence of influence and lobbying on the levers of Government (which yet again makes a mockery about its democratic credentials) by nefarious confederations of neo-cons and zionists.

The American people aren't stupider than any other- they are very ill informed about the world though- and they are subject to the same demagoguery that populists throughout the world and throughout history have used successfully.

Ukraine is a pawn between America and Russia and they need to accept reality that a ceasefire on their terms is unlikely- I don't blame Zalinsky for holding out but he will need to face reality. A reality that the ROW including the dumb fuck Europeans are only now waking up to. That when someone smiles at you and charms you and acts like he's your buddy but acts like a motherfucker to others, then the fool is you for believing that the same won't happen to you sooner or later.

None of this detracts from the stupidity of Trump in turning an almost win-win-win-win deal (America-Ukraine-Russia-World) situation into a lose-lose-lose-win scenario. The man's a fucking idiot, not a deal maker.

But the simple fact remains, it's those who bought into America's consistent self interested disingenuity and duplicity have only themselves to blame.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987300]The Video is actually made me say wtf. Who is this presenter? Is he seriously deranged in his idea that "we used to be the good guys but now we're not"? LOL, what deluded BS!

Those seriously ill informed that "it were not always ever so" I would advise a little edification. I don't like Trump and I think his behaviour demeaned America but simply the only difference between him and predecessors is that he wears his intentions on his sleeve. There never was a "truth, justice and American way" golden period. What will happen to Ukraine is just another in the series of governments, states and leaders, some democratic, which America has deposed throughout history. The nerve of this presenter in brushing aside misadventures with "oh sure we made mistakes". Millions dead in Vietnam is not a "mistake". Nor was Iraq a "mistake". Nor is the systematic theft of the Palestinian's lands a "mistake". Nor was the deposition of a Iran's democracy a "mistake". These were calculated decisions by America, to further its interests at the time historically or more recently as a consequence of influence and lobbying on the levers of Government (which yet again makes a mockery about its democratic credentials) by nefarious confederations of neo-cons and zionists.

The American people aren't stupider than any other- they are very ill informed about the world though- and they are subject to the same demagoguery that populists throughout the world and throughout history have used successfully.

Ukraine is a pawn between America and Russia and they need to accept reality that a ceasefire on their terms is unlikely- I don't blame Zalinsky for holding out but he will need to face reality. A reality that the ROW including the dumb fuck Europeans are only now waking up to. That when someone smiles at you and charms you and acts like he's your buddy but acts like a motherfucker to others, then the fool is you for believing that the same won't happen to you sooner or later.

None of this detracts from the stupidity of Trump in turning an almost win-win-win-win deal (America-Ukraine-Russia-World) situation into a lose-lose-lose-win scenario. The man's a fucking idiot, not a deal maker.

But the simple fact remains, it's those who bought into America's consistent self interested disingenuity and duplicity have only themselves to blame.[/QUOTE]As stupid does! Did you even [B]listen[/B] to what he said? He didn't call the American people stupid. No, I did. Well, at least 50% of them are. And I'm 100% serious!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987401]Well, you are already wrong: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/us-ukraine-prepare-sign-minerals-deal-tuesday-sources-say-2025-03-04/[/URL].

If anyone wants to know what really happened, here you go. This is the discussion of two real journalists, Matt Taibbi and Walter Kirn: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS8rneA7cWY[/URL].

Short version is Zelensky was prepped to do what he did by American Democrats and European leaders. The plan was to shame Trump, embrace Zelensky, and keep the war money flowing. It was almost a we dare you to cut the money off Trump. The leader of this movement was Keir Starmer of the UK (yes them again! So Zelensky goes to London right after the meeting with Trump is done. Starmer tells Zelensky how welcome he is and Zelensky meets with King Charles. It is photo op city. Starmer tells Zelensky the UK, unlike the USA, is with you until the end.

The plan has since blow up. Congressional Republicans have stood with Trump, and in a recent poll, Americans favor a cease fire in Ukraine 79-16 percent. Americans feel even more strongly on this issue than trans men playing in women's sports. And Trump tells the military to stop aid to Zelensky. Estimates are Zelensky has 3 months of arms left and then they are done.

The funny part with all this was Starmer saying the UK planned to put boots on the ground and planes in the air, and there was this idea the Europeans were going to being fighting side by side with Ukraine. The hilarious part is the UK has 25 working tanks versus Russia's nearly 2000. [URL]https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/[/URL].

Thing is France has a little over 100, and Germany has a little over 300. Only Poland and Turkey have a decent sized military and as for Poland sending in troops, given how the Poles feel about Ukrainians, I will believe it when I see it.

When all is said and done though, this looks like a huge win for Trump, Americans, and the people of Ukraine.[/QUOTE]Yes, USA with shameful schizophrene Trump threatening and robbering values to poor Ukrainians to make once again good money on this war. I don t think Ukrainians agree to be stolen by friends Trump and Putin. I support those who boycott USA and Tesla when no MAGA but real shame, playing the rich robbering the poor, when I already did boycott chinese products because of shameful chinese government. What about lands stolen by Putin? After Crimea. Did You see how your senile orange suck good Vladimir? So tasty for USA.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987404]As stupid does! Did you even [B]listen[/B] to what he said? He didn't call the American people stupid. No, I did. Well, at least 50% of them are. And I'm 100% serious![/QUOTE]I didn't say he did.

And you clearly didn't understand my response. Read it slowly this time, and I will elaborate the obvious for your benefit: The American people are no stupider than any other people. They are more ill informed than other people due to their media's peculiarity of omitting world affairs as well as the huge lobbying influence of the zionist / neocons / corporate. This has a very deleterious impact on American politics and world affairs.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2987481]Yes, USA with shameful schizophrene Trump threatening and robbering values to poor Ukrainians to make once again good money on this war. I don t think Ukrainians agree to be stolen by friends Trump and Putin. I support those who boycott USA and Tesla when no MAGA but real shame, playing the rich robbering the poor, when I already did boycott chinese products because of shameful chinese government. What about lands stolen by Putin? After Crimea. Did You see how your senile orange suck good Vladimir? So tasty for USA.[/QUOTE]I love how we are giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine at the same time we are stealing from them.

As for you and other Europeans going off on Putin now, it is painful obvious that you Europeans are so in debt up to your eyeballs you have little choice but to try to steal the $250 billion in Russian money parked in European banks.

Wasn't that the goal of all this Putin bashing? Call him a war criminal and slink off with the $250 billion in booty using a USAID type of fraud.

The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?

The USA has over 2000 tanks. Russia has around 2000 as well. While we have been building up our defenses, you Europeans have been on vacation.

The UK / Europeans scuttled the first set of peace talks and tried to do it again. The whole event with Trump was a UK plot, but it did not work.

What gets me with you Europeans is you run around and say Putin is interfering in elections when the whole thing with Russiagate and Ukrainegate was a European connection.

I do not know if the USA and Europe have many shared values any more. I think we do with Eastern Europe, but Western Europe is behaving horribly.

[URL]https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article300946424.html[/URL]

In the latest Harvard Center for American Political Studies-Harris poll, 72% of respondents said Ukraine should negotiate a settlement with Russia, while just 28% of respondents said they want Ukraine to keep fighting to win the war.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987404]He didn't call the American people stupid. No, I did. Well, at least 50% of them are. And I'm 100% serious![/QUOTE]Yeah, that would be 72% are stupid now.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2987144]Yep! 100%.[/QUOTE]No, that is more like 28% siding with you now, and the numbers are continuing to go lower and lower.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987498]I didn't say he did.

And you clearly didn't understand my response. Read it slowly this time, and I will elaborate the obvious for your benefit: The American people are no stupider than any other people. They are more ill informed than other people due to their media's peculiarity of omitting world affairs as well as the huge lobbying influence of the zionist / neocons / corporate. This has a very deleterious impact on American politics and world affairs.[/QUOTE]When electing Trump, most Americans can t be clever, when they already have low level for culture, not knowing much more far than their nose and feet. USA and China won't improve level of our world. Trump doesn't even know the meaning of dictator, what is friend Putin is. Our world can't trust USA now with such crazies leading mostly no brained in USA.

99% Americans can't even find Ukraine on a world map, let alone understand this conflict.

Trump's logic is if you just surrender to the bully attacking you, the war will automatically stop. It does not work this way. Ask Czechoslovakians.

[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987498]I didn't say he did.

And you clearly didn't understand my response. Read it slowly this time, and I will elaborate the obvious for your benefit: The American people are no stupider than any other people. They are more ill informed than other people due to their media's peculiarity of omitting world affairs as well as the huge lobbying influence of the zionist / neocons / corporate. This has a very deleterious impact on American politics and world affairs.[/QUOTE]Point taken and mine proven. They're too stupid and lazy to think for themselves. You prove my point! And you think the matter isn't as serious since you proclaim that the American electorate is no more stupid than the electorate of any other nation? So do you think that makes the world a better and safer place then? No, you're being too slow. Way too slow! Time to step it up and come to your senses! If that's even possible. Probably not since you're saying really stupid things here.

We shall never surrender!

[URL]https://youtu.be/CkcsKuMKooo?si=F6nkOw8CeikKgkxu[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987551]I love how we are giving hundreds of billions to Ukraine at the same time we are stealing from them.

As for you and other Europeans going off on Putin now, it is painful obvious that you Europeans are so in debt up to your eyeballs you have little choice but to try to steal the $250 billion in Russian money parked in European banks.

Wasn't that the goal of all this Putin bashing? Call him a war criminal and slink off with the $250 billion in booty using a USAID type of fraud.

The UK has 25 functional tanks. France has less than 200. Germany has less than 400. If Putin were the monster you all said he was, why didn't you build that up? Hmmm?

The USA has over 2000 tanks. Russia has around 2000 as well. While we have been building up our defenses, you Europeans have been on vacation.

The UK / Europeans scuttled the first set of peace talks and tried to do it again. The whole event with Trump was a UK plot, but it did not work.

What gets me with you Europeans is you run around and say Putin is interfering in elections when the whole thing with Russiagate and Ukrainegate was a European connection.

I do not know if the USA and Europe have many shared values any more. I think we do with Eastern Europe, but Western Europe is behaving horribly.[/QUOTE]France have nuclear, when we know now Putin is crazy, but his army is weak, not able to defeat so weak and poor Ukraine in 3 years. When Putin is a criminal, Europe have to use 200 billions of Russian values versus him and to help Ukraine, when USA are now only able to threaten and blackmail, to rob the poor, so we can t trust anymore USA.