Berlin

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1282693]When I read your report, I got the impression that you think the whole world would be disease ridden. Well, I had gotten an STD from rubber-fucking once. Bareback fucking however gives healthy joy and happiness. I fucked over a hundred women bareback until now, no problems there. So please stop spreading hysteria over a subject where it is unnecessary! If you want to worry about something, then worry about our crappy politicians wanting to turn the EU into an EUSSR. Or the Fed taking over the USA completely. Or being struck by lightning. All more likely to happen than getting an STD from bareback fucking in Western Europe![/QUOTE]The risk of some STDS are exaggerated quite a bit, but it is still there. I am comfortable with BBBJ but not anything else. In fact the risk of HIV from BBFS is 1/1000 per unprotected act according to the Wiki, the reason the risk is much higher in certain parts of the world is the prevalance of other STDS are common which lead to open sores and cuts and so on.

Nevertheless I think you have been lucky, I had one condom break in 7 years, but it can happen.

If the risk is not there, how do you explain all the people in the world, and we are talking about tens of millions, infected with HIV?

Do what you like, but I think it is unwise to pretend that there isn't a risk.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1284286]Have fun but please, take it easy here. Nobody is saying you can not do it the way you like. But on a forum such as this there will always be people who criticise you for BBFS. Is it really worth getting so worked up? Sounds like you feel a bit put upon by us. Rubber fuckers. You could always start a support group.

AM[/QUOTE]Swingerlover I got to agree with Angus, its not worth getting worked up when someone criticizes BBFS. As you know I also love BBFS, but I also accept that plenty are against it, and I just let them have their little occasional flames and ignore them. You know up to a couple of years ago you would get flamed instantly if you mentioned AO on this forum, so we have come along way from then with our own dedicated AO threads.

Anyway SW as I have said before, you are keeping the AO threads alive and those of us into AO really appreciate your efforts.

Hi Angus, Thank you for your guidance, I'll try to visit Freudenhaus because on the website there are more girls and hopefully they will have few of those.

I'll check your blog also and will catch you if possible. Thank you again, I really appreciate your reply.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1284120]I would say the least expensive I know of is Starlight. Though there is not the greatest selection of ladies if you find one you like the price can not be beat. And it is in a nice neighbourhood, close and central.

[url]http://www.starlight-modelle.de/index.php[/url]

Freudenhaus Hase is also pretty inexpensive but you will have to travel a wee bit to get there.

[url]http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html[/url]

There are a number of reviews in the forum.

You might also check out my blog for the lower end bordellos.

[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/[/url]

Lots of info there if you dig a bit.

AM.

NB-I just checked out Starlight's website and it seems that they have raised their price by €5 for the cheapest sessions (and all round). So it is not quite as cheap as it once was but still it is a good price especially when you consider the location.[/QUOTE]

Trying to get a grasp on the services offered at the bordellos, particularly kd and liberty. Read angus' guide, but would like to confirm a few things.

1) GFE isn't included in the base price at either establishment, correct? Kissing etc. Is extra.

2) With the exception of offering some bb services, is liberty otherwise as careful re: STD testing as kd?

This one is a bit subjective, but I'll ask anyway. Are there some girls kd / liberty that are as hot as the hottest in armedius?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Demecius; 1284741]Trying to get a grasp on the services offered at the bordellos, particularly kd and liberty. Read angus' guide, but would like to confirm a few things.

1) GFE isn't included in the base price at either establishment, correct? Kissing etc. Is extra.

2) With the exception of offering some bb services, is liberty otherwise as careful re: STD testing as kd?

This one is a bit subjective, but I'll ask anyway. Are there some girls kd / liberty that are as hot as the hottest in armedius?

Thanks[/QUOTE]1) Extra at Liberty,"included" at KD, BUT girl has to decide for herself that you are worthy. Natural, with the flow, the way it should be.

2) Discussed recently, RTFF. There is no way to know.

3) Checked your ref but only found this [url]http://armedius.deviantart.com/[/url]

If you mean Artemis, yes. But question is a little absurd and you answered it yourself. Completely subjective and if there is no chemistry, the hottest girl will just go through the motions. Up to you to be attractive and charming.

Hi!

Going to Berlin for first weekend in June and have beer browsing different sites to find info. Have spotted those flat rate clubs earlier and there seems to be three of those in Berlin but have few questions about them.

About attitude of girls in those clubs. There was recent report where someone stated that most girls actively ignored him. Is this common? Are they still willing to have sex if asked directly? Can they refuse? But guess performance would be lousy.

Is beer there also watered down?

How about tipping someone stated that tipping before room would be best option if one wants better service but is that true? How much? And what if I want BBBJ?

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1284271]Head to Artemis. It will cost more but you will likely get a way better BJ from a much better looking girl.

If you do insist on slumming it though you can try one of these places.

[url]http://www.kino-friesen3.de/[/url]

[url]http://doxyspotting.com/paolas-kino/[/url]

Or this, a slightly nicer address.

[url]http://www.sexkino-berlin.de/[/url]

AM[/QUOTE]Thanks! I will probably go to Artemis as well, but there is an evening that I have full and I thought this might be a fun afternoon experience. I need to see what other FKKs are in Berlin. On the Oase / Palace debate, I'm the Oase type. I don't know if Artemis is the best place for me. I will probably try a few FKKs in the Koln and Dusseldorf area as well.

[QUOTE=Delta Indigo; 1284288]The risk of some STDS are exaggerated quite a bit, but it is still there. I am comfortable with BBBJ but not anything else. In fact the risk of HIV from BBFS is 1/1000 per unprotected act according to the Wiki, the reason the risk is much higher in certain parts of the world is the prevalance of other STDS are common which lead to open sores and cuts and so on.

Nevertheless I think you have been lucky, I had one condom break in 7 years, but it can happen.

If the risk is not there, how do you explain all the people in the world, and we are talking about tens of millions, infected with HIV?

Do what you like, but I think it is unwise to pretend that there isn't a risk.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying that there's no risk at all ever. But you need to put things into perspective. Blowing the risks up out of proportion while at the same time completely ignoring other more common and dangerous hazards and then repremanding other people about their sexlife is what puts me off. Not people who rubberfuck in general (those only if they do it at an AO-Party) since I've done it for years myself. So not to worry, Angus.

As for condoms breaking, I had that happen a total of three times too, so where's the protection there?

And Wanking, you're welcome, and you're propably right not to get too worked up about that. But since the STD-hysteria-propaganda is repeated constantly, it's necessary to repeat the other perspective constantly too. Those who want to use rubbers, be my guest. Those who want to live their lives in fear of everyting under the sun the propaganda media presents to the world in order to create widespread hysteria: That's your business too.

Anyway, this exchange would have been better off in the Bareback / AO thread.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1285015]Those who want to live their lives in fear of everyting under the sun the propaganda media presents to the world in order to create widespread hysteria: That's your business too.

Anyway, this exchange would have been better off in the Bareback / AO thread.[/QUOTE]Well, while waiting for widespread hysteria, those Black Helicopters, and all the rest, let us declare the whole bonkers AO discussion here done, over, and Mission Accomplished.

Let it indeed move to the AO thread, where it may live long and prosper, as SwingerL suggests.

[QUOTE=Akula72; 1284964]Hi!

Going to Berlin for first weekend in June and have beer browsing different sites to find info. Have spotted those flat rate clubs earlier and there seems to be three of those in Berlin but have few questions about them.

About attitude of girls in those clubs. There was recent report where someone stated that most girls actively ignored him. Is this common? Are they still willing to have sex if asked directly? Can they refuse? But guess performance would be lousy.

Is beer there also watered down?

How about tipping someone stated that tipping before room would be best option if one wants better service but is that true? How much? And what if I want BBBJ?[/QUOTE]I can not really say about all flat rate clubs but at the KG I was certainly not ignored. To get the top girl though I did have to put myself out a bit, go talk to her and invite her to the room. Other than that it was all very easy. But the sex was just not terribly good. The girls were willing but lacked enthusiasm, well, except for the top girl I mentioned.

Personally I think that to make a flat rate experience fun you yourself have to show up with enthusiasm and without to many high expectations. If you want the definitive answer you will probably have to wait until later in June when the Flat Rate Meister Wangking shows up in Berlin and write his reports.

AM

Akula72: I certainly don't have lots of experience with FR-clubs, so I guess AM is a lot more experienced on the field. I did however visit KG with some collegues last year and I was extremely disappointed. The girls available were IMO fuckable okay, but some were ugly and in my "no-way" category, and I am not particularly picky! I only manage to fuck one girl, the other girls were resting, didn't want to go to room / eating or some other lame excuses. Some of the girls were also constantly nagging about getting a LD, cocktail or champagne! So calling it a flat-rate club is somewhat funny, because there are lots more expenses to think about, and most girls live of the extras they can get, like BBBJ, Kissing, Anal etc. The girl I went with was from Dominican republic and acted horrible in bed, did not want to remove her shirt (!) , and one of my collegues had a similar experience with another girl. If you're not too shy, you might want to check out the GB scene and visit Erlebniswohnung. I've heard it should be very good!

To KGs defence, I have to admit that it was also a bit our fault to get into the club at almost 2 AM. It was too late, so I guess we should have gone there earlier!

Hi All,

Been reading the posts here for some time but this is my first report. Some weeks ago I visited Berlin for acouple of days and tried 4 brothels. This is my first experience of brothels in Berlin, my earlier experience is from Barcelona but as this is the Berlin-tread I leave that for now.

Liberty. Nice welcomed by an older lady, when she heard that I spoke english she excused her self about her own english skills but said that the girls could speak. A nice line up and I chose a young german girl, a soft GFE-like sesion for 40 minutes. Everything ended with a nice chatt, which I really enjoy.

Royal. Really nice place and a nice line up, it seems to be mostly eastern european girls and the girl I chose had very limited english skills. A nice session though which ended with a massage.

Saloon Prestige. Already the first girl in the line up caught my attention, a sexy blond girl with big fake tits (but nice soft ones). After 2 GFE-like session this one was more like porno-style, it all started with deep kissing and a wonderfull deepthraoth blowjob and the sex was very good. Even if she was the porn-movie girl during the act, when we caught our breaths we had a really nice chat.

Kamilla Dee. After read alot of good reviews regarding KD my expectations were high. First visit there were only 2 available girls in the line and no one found my interest, the lady who welcomed me said I should come back later, no hard feelings from her side. Secend try. 4 girls in the line and one of them I had seen in the website as one of the ones I wanted to see. A nice young girl with big natural breasts, very sexy. She took me up to the second appartment one stair up, where we were all alone. She almost looked a little biy shy in the beginning but that disappeared very fast. It turned out to be a really good GFE-session, deep kissing, nice blowjob and the sex was very good. Afterwards when we were chating she was the one to start cuddling and started to kiss me again and she also suggested that we should take a shower together. A really good session and the place was very nice, anyway the apartment upstaires where we were, so the high expectations were really fullfilled at KD.

Regarding the line up at KD, even if I were there quite early inthe afternoon, the line weren't that long neither of the 2 times I was there, maybe it's more common that you make reservations at KD?

To summarize. 4 good sessions and even if KD were the most expensive that is the one I will go back to next time in Berlin.

At the end I like to thank Angus, which reports I have read and been very usefull.

I visited Berlin for the second time on 21-5-12. My plans were laid. On the following day I would visit Artemis, one of Berlin's famous brothels in the FKK style. I will report on this on the FKK thread.

After this, two days later, I wanted to visit another famous brothel in a more traditional style. I chose to visit either Kamilla-Dee or Royal.

Before these plans went into action I decided to explore on foot an area that I had not seen on my first visit. I walked down Dircksenstrasse towards Hackescher Market. I soon arrived on Oranienburger Strasse and continued to the junction with Burgstrasse. Suddenly I was aware of two young ladies who were very sexily dressed and good looking too. They appeared to be watching the traffic. Quickly they became aware of my interest in them. One of them approached and said Wie geht's, to which I repled gut and how much? The answer was 80e for a suck and hand job. Curiosity overcame my normal shyness so I asked about sex. They call it pussy fuck and the price was 100 to 150e on top. The offer included the use of a room where negotiations would continue. Discretion was the better part of valour so I said the price was to high and continued with my stroll. Before long I was approached by another sexy good looking girl. Before I finished my stroll I had been approached about 4 or 5 times. In each case the offer and prices were the same. Except for one who offered tit fuck in the park for 50e.

I was not in any way tempted by theses offers to negotiate in a room, certainly not when I considered what I had coming up. I do not know how this trade works for them but some of these girls would be good enough to get a job in a decent brothel.

I was now comfortable traveling on the S-Bahn. So I chose to travel to Bundesplatz Banhof. From here Royal would be 5 minutes walk. Another 10 minutes walk would take me to Kamilla-Dee.

I switched to the S42 on the ringbahn at Westkreutz Banhof having started at Alexanderplatz Banhoff. A few stations later I arrived at Bundesplatz Banhof. I got window seats and enjoyed the views on the way. I arrived at the door of Royal 30 minutes before I had planned to enter the brothel. I decided to walk on to Kamilla-Dee.

I arrived there early so I decided to sit at a table at the nearby cafe. I still had to decide which brothel I would go to. After enjoying the latte I decide that I should ring the bell at Kamilla-Dee.

The buzzer sounded and the door opened. I climbed up the stairs but for some reason missed the sign on the door and climbed up to many stairs. I corrected my error and returned to the second floor, heart pounding by this time. As I approached the door the madam went in before me having come from an adjoining apartment. I was summoned in. The madam gestured towards a room and said 'minute'. It was apparent that her English was as poor as my German. For a Madam I thought that this should have been different. So I waited in a small plain room with no atmosphere. After a few minutes a tall girl with a sexy curvy body and a beautiful face appeared. This girl spoke English with an American accent. She explained the set up very well.

I was shown five girls after which I did not feal like choosing one. The tall girl with the American accent returned. I asked her if she was part of the line up but she said that she was not available. This was disappointing and probably helped to decide me not to choose a girl. I politely asked if I could come back later. I was advise to return between 4:30 and 5:00. I said that this would suit me very well.

Outside I decided to return to Royal. I sounded the buzzer at Royal and the door opened. I climbed carefully to the second floor. There a door was open and the Madam was waiting on me. I asked early in the conversation if she spoke English and she said that there would be no problem with that.

This was a positive start. The Madam cheerfully showed me to a room. This was a bed room of a good size. The room was well appointed and if I chose a girl this is where I would be with her. The style of the room created a relaxed atmosphere and a positive feeling for me. I felt exited and could not wait to see the girls. I felt as if I was going to choose a girl. The Madam explained the set up.

Eight or nine girls were shown to me. The overall standard was good I thought. I choose a blonde girl but I explained to the Madam that I could not remember her name. This is not a problem which is new to the Madam and she helped me to get the girl that I wanted.

The chosen girl came to the room and we were all smiles. The girl could not speak much English but the Madam stayed long enough to translate when the girl and I agreed on what we would be doing.

I asked the Madam when the time would start. She explained that time would start from when we got onto the bed together. I asked about leaving my things in the room but she reassured me that she kept an eye on what was going on and that I could hide my things in the room if I wanted to. So I did this. The girl returned and took me to the shower. When I finished the girl was waiting and escorted me to the room. The atmosphere of the room and the back ground music created a good mood. It was not long before we were on the bed. The girl was not naturally blond but was slim, curvy, good looking. She gave a good service with plenty kissing, cuddling, followed by oral with. After this she mounted me in fine style and changed positions when requested. After we had plenty time so she gave me a nice slow back massage. This together with the room and the mood music was very relaxing. I almost fell asleep at this point. A very enjoyable 45 minutes was had.

The Madam returned and asked if every thing was OK. I said it was. On the way out I was ushered into another room to avoid meeting another man who was coming in.

The establishment is classy, to a high standard, the Madam is cheerfull and helpful. The girls on show were to a high standard.

This is the way that gentlemen should meet blondes.

Hello guys,

I'm really new in to this and have a question. Do you have any sugestions for nice short petite girls in Berlin?

Reports will follow, best regards.

[QUOTE=Linus251; 1285590]

Etc.

Kamilla Dee.

Etc.

One of them I had seen in the website as one of the ones I wanted to see. A nice young girl with big natural breasts,

Etc.[/QUOTE]Felicia? ([url]http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/felic-e.htm[/url]

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