Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987695]Where did I say that the Ukrainians should keep fighting and not negotiate? I never said that. I said that they need a negotiated peace that protects and defends their sovereignty as a nation. Not to just give in so that an asshole Putin can just attack them again. So stop putting words in my mouth that I did not utter. They need to hard bargain for a deal that is good for Ukraine. A cease fire while the negotiations proceed would be a good thing. .[/QUOTE]Hard bargain for a deal? You don't seem to understand that Ukraine has ZERO CARDS. Ukraine will have to make very, very painful compromises and cede a lot of territory, agree to neutrality and will be a dysfunctional rump state. That is the bitter reality they will soon face / already are facing.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987772]LOL. Trump has been in office 6 weeks, and he is near getting a cease fire. Biden had three years and did nothing. There would have been no talk of peace without Trump so your argument: cease fire good, Trump bad is ludicrous.

The Democratic approach was to demonize and not communicate with Putin. Trump has called Putin several times. Biden never did. Show me one example of any Democrat advocating for a line of dialogue with Putin.

So your genius notion of a cease fire is Ukrainians dropping their weapons?[/QUOTE]You have to keep it real by calling a spade a spade, then act accordingly. Wasn't Chump the one talking about playing cards? Ukraine has zero cards? What are you smoking Elvis? Possession is nine tenths the law, and Ukraine still holds most of its territory. I say again Ukraine needs to hard bargain to get an [B]enforceable[/B] agreement that will protect and defend its sovereignty from further aggression from Putin, who should be demonized for being the latest beady eyed Ruskie dictator that he is! And the United States isn't the only western player in this thank God! The Europeans now realize that they better get up off their dead asses and act! Ukraine was supposed to fall in 3 days but they're still standing years later. The Ruskies are bogged down and not strong enough to take Ukraine. The Ukrainians don't have to win. They just don't have to lose. Take a cease fire. Then let Putin the aggressor show if [B]he[/B] really wants peace. He's the one who attacked thinking he was going to score a quick victory. He's the one who says Ukraine isn't even a "real" country. That proves right there just where he's coming from. Asshole Putin's "peace" has Ukraine being a vassal of Russia. Those who love freedom and democracy can't let that happen!

[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987732]Well, there's a lot of reasons that Americans voted for him. Much as it makes us feel good by labelling all Trump supporters as stupid, it's not objective and intelligent to be so one dimensional. The reasons people voted for Trump include:

- economic: cost of living and inequality and lack of real wage growth.

- social: backlash at the perceived left swing manifested by lack of control of crime, drugs, etc.

- democrats: weak, clueless, lacking control. What exactly did you expect from a senile old man, succeeded by an untalented woman with an insecure hysterical clacking laugh?

- Zionists: the Israeli assault on Palestine has torn America down the middle, and the voting statistics show that a lot of people who would have voted for Democrats didn't because of their prostration to the Zionist alter. Trump therefore won those regions by default.[/QUOTE]Except robbering the poor, you think your shameful crazy president will improve situation, when for sure, he put shame on your country, when he fuck your constitution and capitol. A not respectable and trustable schizophrene, but quite senile.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987821]You have to keep it real by calling a spade a spade,![/QUOTE]Seems those 19th century spades are winning the war for Putin against the gangster Zelensly and the gangster Democrats. Gangster not gangsta.

[QUOTE=Jarango;2987831]Seems those 19th century spades are winning the war for Putin against the gangster Zelensly and the gangster Democrats. Gangster not gangsta.[/QUOTE]Zelensky is supported by Ukrainians and even Porochenko, and legal according to Ukraine constitution, when Putin was always elected, only under fear and a criminal dictator, when he can t travel in normal countries and even Trump doesn t want to receive him, when he received and insulted Zelensky who stayed very respectful.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987821]You have to keep it real by calling a spade a spade, then act accordingly. Wasn't Chump the one talking about playing cards? Ukraine has zero cards? What are you smoking Elvis?[/QUOTE]LOL. Uh, yeah. What do you think Zelensky did? He met with Democrats before Trump. He then met with Europeans. He planned that blowup with Trump. He thought he could maybe put a wedge between Trump and the American people or between Trump and Congressional Republicans. It blew up in his face. Those were the only cards he had, and they blew up in his face.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987821] Possession is nine tenths the law, and Ukraine still holds most of its territory.[/QUOTE]They have three months of arms left. They won't be holding any of their country after this summer.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2987821] Those who love freedom and democracy can't let that happen![/QUOTE]This from a Democratic douche whose party tried to arrest their way into power and chose a man with severe dementia in the primaries and then booted him out. I think after the last 3 elections Democrats should not be able to comment on Democracy. When you let your voters pick the nominee, get back to us.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987846]LOL. Uh, yeah. What do you think Zelensky did? He met with Democrats before Trump. He then met with Europeans. He planned that blowup with Trump. He thought he could maybe put a wedge between Trump and the American people or between Trump and Congressional Republicans. It blew up in his face. Those were the only cards he had, and they blew up in his face.

They have three months of arms left. They won't be holding any of their country after this summer.

This from a Democratic douche whose party tried to arrest their way into power and chose a man with severe dementia in the primaries and then booted him out. I think after the last 3 elections Democrats should not be able to comment on Democracy. When you let your voters pick the nominee, get back to us.[/QUOTE]And you seem happy poor but so courageous heroic Ukrainians may lose versus criminal dictator Putin who attacked them, when he didn't respect what he signed on 2014, when Ukraine defend their land and freedom. Anybody respectable should help them who fight for freedom versus a dictator, not blackmailing to try to rob them, like shameful Trump who tries to find new money, when he knows he lost versus Europe higher quality and cheap China. Trump behavior and USA are not respectable to try to rob the poor and suck swallowing Putin cum, when only solution was to make Russia fully broke, when they are already quite and would really be at the end of year. But Trump needs Putin business and will help him, not poor Ukraine.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987846]LOL. Uh, yeah. What do you think Zelensky did? He met with Democrats before Trump. He then met with Europeans. He planned that blowup with Trump. He thought he could maybe put a wedge between Trump and the American people or between Trump and Congressional Republicans. It blew up in his face. Those were the only cards he had, and they blew up in his face.

They have three months of arms left. They won't be holding any of their country after this summer.

This from a Democratic douche whose party tried to arrest their way into power and chose a man with severe dementia in the primaries and then booted him out. I think after the last 3 elections Democrats should not be able to comment on Democracy. When you let your voters pick the nominee, get back to us.[/QUOTE]Ha! You're delusional beyond belief! That disastrous meeting was clearly a trap set by Trump and Vance! That was supposed to be a photo opportunity and they turned it into a shameful bashing of an ally. And the Ruskies couldn't even overrun Ukraine when they were armed to the teeth. Now with their tanks and navy destroyed and their own armaments running low, they're having to turn to countries like North Korea and Iran for help! The Chinese are too smart to be dragged into Putin's fucked up disaster. You and the rest are a bunch of scumbag, right wing extremists who support a convicted felon and sexual harasser in the White House. Around the world the United States is no longer looked upon with admiration as a global leader because of scumbag, lowlife Repukeians and those who support and make excuses for the likes of them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987807]If Putin were such a monster, those living closest to him in Eastern Europe would be the ones most frightened of him.[/QUOTE]Those living the closest to him in Eastern Europe _are_ the ones most concerned about him. The countries that oppose Putin the most are Poland and the Baltic countries. This is not just in the media, I know enough people from work, especially from Poland who all say the same thing. Who bumped up their military spending the most? Right, Poland and the Baltic countries.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2987807]
1) If he were such a monster, the average Russian would have done economically much worse under Putin. They have not. They have done better.
2) If Putin were such a monster, those living closest to him in Eastern Europe would be the ones most frightened of him. Not only are the Poles skeptical of this Putin devil, Zelensky angel routine, the most pro right wing countries now are in Eastern Europe.
3) If Putin were such a monster, when Nordstream were blown up, he would have sent a missile or nuke at Warsaw, Berlin, or London.
[/QUOTE]1) According to this logic, Hitler was no monster, too.

2) All Baltics and Poles are afraid of Putler.

3) A monster is not necessarily suicidal.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2987822]Except robbering the poor, you think your shameful crazy president will improve situation, when for sure, he put shame on your country, when he fuck your constitution and capitol. A not respectable and trustable schizophrene, but quite senile.[/QUOTE]For clarity, I am not American. I also don't favour Trump- I think he is one crazy SOB who is unravelling all the gains the world has made since WW2 and could well precipitate a WW3. My only point to you was that there are some comprehensible reasons why Americans voted for Trump. A choice between two rubbish candidates was going to be a lose situation, whatever the reasons. I explained the reasons why Trump won. It is not a case of my liking these reasons. In the same way as if I drop a glass it falling is not my liking gravity. It just is a fact.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2987987]1) According to this logic, Hitler was no monster, too.

2) All Baltics and Poles are afraid of Putler.

3) A monster is not necessarily suicidal.[/QUOTE]I love country Russia, but Putin is a criminal and prosecuted by international law, he can t even travel in normal countries and crazy Trump didn t welcome him in White House, where legal Zelensky was received to be threatened and blackmailed. I m proud french Mirage will now help Ukraine, when I would feel really shameful if I was American.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2987987]1) According to this logic, Hitler was no monster, too.

2) All Baltics and Poles are afraid of Putler.

3) A monster is not necessarily suicidal.[/QUOTE]Hey! I am not here to read such a brain twisted political bullshit but to know about girls.

Would be nice if you all could get back on topic.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2987987]1) According to this logic, Hitler was no monster, too..[/QUOTE]Hitler was killing his own citizens. The nazis are on the side of Ukraine. Hiter conquered all of Europe in 2 years, and the Russians more than anyone were instrumental in defeating the Nazis. Russia has more land than it knows what to do with. They want a neutral Ukraine not to take it over.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2987987] All Baltics and Poles are afraid of Putler.[/QUOTE]I said the Poles were skeptical of the Ukraine good, Russia bad routine. Like I do, the Poles do not think the Ukrainians are angels.

[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2987987]3) A monster is not necessarily suicidal..[/QUOTE]And here we go again. In one breath, you say Putin is a mad man trying to conquer Europe and with the next, you say he is rational. Here is the problem I have with you Europeans. You keep trying to tell us how terrible Putin is and outside of Poland, no one in Europe has been coughing up cash for defense.

You Europeans want the USA to pay for the war, and you want to seize the $300 billion in Russian assets in European banks.

The UK just hosted Zelensky right after he saw Trump and Vance.

Not only did the PM meet him but King Charles did as well. And then I read this, [URL]https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/[/URL].

Out of those 160, the Royal Armored Corps can't find many tanks that are fully operational. They are trying to get at least 59 that are in "green" or "go" phase and many are still in "red" or "no go" status. Again, as noted by the article above, the active force of tanks has dwindled down to around 20 to 25, and getting 59 tanks ready to go will not be possible for an indefinite period of time.

NATO members Denmark and Sweden have more active tanks.

And the UK is going to put boots on the ground and planes in the sky huh? What a crock of bullshit. Yeah, Hitler is coming, and the UK has 20 to 25 tanks after three years. Give me a fucking break!

[QUOTE=RobaFresca;2988004]Hey! I am not here to read such a brain twisted political bullshit but to know about girls.
Would be nice if you all could get back on topic.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Would be nice, you first read (and understand) the title of this thread, before ranting around. Especially as a very new kid on the block.