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[QUOTE=RobaFresca;2988004]Hey! I am not here to read such a brain twisted political bullshit but to know about girls.Would be nice if you all could get back on topic. [/QUOTE]In as much as the pro Zelensky nazis are geting butt fucked. Maybe ask them what creams they use to soothe their raw arses?
[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987988]For clarity, I am not American. I also don't favour Trump- I think he is one crazy SOB who is unravelling all the gains the world has made since WW2 and could well precipitate a WW3. My only point to you was that there are some comprehensible reasons why Americans voted for Trump. A choice between two rubbish candidates was going to be a lose situation, whatever the reasons. I explained the reasons why Trump won. It is not a case of my liking these reasons. In the same way as if I drop a glass it falling is not my liking gravity. It just is a fact.[/QUOTE]Biden neurons were not more senile than Trump's and Biden is by far more clever for our world, when Trump is at least as dangerous as Putin and as China for pollution. USA won t MAGA with Trump bullshits. Just now a shameful country.
[QUOTE=Jarango;2988037]In as much as the pro Zelensky nazis are geting butt fucked. Maybe ask them what creams they use to soothe their raw arses?[/QUOTE]When almost all Ukrainians and most of the world support and welcome Zelensky, does it mean we are all nazis? Then, I would be proud to be a nazi supporting Ukraine and freedom. I love Russia, so I can only hate Putin who is really bad for Russians condition, becoming more and more poor, when they are so blind.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2988012]Hitler was killing his own citizens. The nazis are on the side of Ukraine. Hiter conquered all of Europe in 2 years, and the Russians more than anyone were instrumental in defeating the Nazis. Russia has more land than it knows what to do with. They want a neutral Ukraine not to take it over.
I said the Poles were skeptical of the Ukraine good, Russia bad routine. Like I do, the Poles do not think the Ukrainians are angels.
And here we go again. In one breath, you say Putin is a mad man trying to conquer Europe and with the next, you say he is rational. Here is the problem I have with you Europeans. You keep trying to tell us how terrible Putin is and outside of Poland, no one in Europe has been coughing up cash for defense.
You Europeans want the USA to pay for the war, and you want to seize the $300 billion in Russian assets in European banks.
The UK just hosted Zelensky right after he saw Trump and Vance.
Not only did the PM meet him but King Charles did as well. And then I read this, [URL]https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/02/the-british-army-may-have-only-25-active-main-battle-tanks/[/URL].
Out of those 160, the Royal Armored Corps can't find many tanks that are fully operational. They are trying to get at least 59 that are in "green" or "go" phase and many are still in "red" or "no go" status. Again, as noted by the article above, the active force of tanks has dwindled down to around 20 to 25, and getting 59 tanks ready to go will not be possible for an indefinite period of time.
NATO members Denmark and Sweden have more active tanks.
And the UK is going to put boots on the ground and planes in the sky huh? What a crock of bullshit. Yeah, Hitler is coming, and the UK has 20 to 25 tanks after three years. Give me a fucking break![/QUOTE]UK is going to put boots on the ground and planes in the sky huh? What a crock of bullshit. Yeah, Hitler is coming, and the UK has 20 to 25 tanks after three years. Give me a fucking break!
The UK like the rest of EU couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. They are a bunch of pussies who like to beat up on basket cases countries like Iraq, but only if Uncle Sam asks them to. They have totally lost the plot if they think they have the capability or the unity or the financial resources or the internal support to fight Russia, if Russia truly wanted to go to war with them, leave alone China.
Leave alone the weaponary, the UK is on its knees financially and moreover their own citizens are spineless and hate the idea of war. Their army is down to a tiny untrained figure. Vance humiliated them when he said they don't know war, but he wasn't wrong.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2988012]
1) no one in Europe has been coughing up cash for defense.
2) You Europeans want the USA to pay for the war, [/QUOTE]
1) Until short time ago, Europe trusted the RF. No need until then to "cough up cash", as Europe not so imperialistic like USA.
Needing large military to rob other countries. Remember Iraq, which cost the USA about 3000 x1 Billion bucks?
2) Hasn't the USA some type of moral obligation? Ooops, not any more, as any moral gone.
Hasn't the USA some type of contractual obligation? Oops, not any more, USA does not care about any agreements from the past (Budapester memo, incl. Guaratees for UA).
Besides, 10% of the cost of USAs robbery attack on Iraq is too much to spend for UAs defence.
Yes, you are right: Europe was stupid enough to trust Russia. And even more stupid, to trust the USA.
May be, they really are "The Great Satan".
[QUOTE=HotDog666;2988092]UK is going to put boots on the ground and planes in the sky huh? What a crock of bullshit. Yeah, Hitler is coming, and the UK has 20 to 25 tanks after three years. Give me a fucking break!
The UK like the rest of EU couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. They are a bunch of pussies who like to beat up on basket cases countries like Iraq, but only if Uncle Sam asks them to. They have totally lost the plot if they think they have the capability or the unity or the financial resources or the internal support to fight Russia, if Russia truly wanted to go to war with them, leave alone China.
Leave alone the weaponary, the UK is on its knees financially and moreover their own citizens are spineless and hate the idea of war. Their army is down to a tiny untrained figure. Vance humiliated them when he said they don't know war, but he wasn't wrong.[/QUOTE]Putin showed us his military is quite weak and he seems to worry about Europe reaction to help more Ukraine without USA who are now better as robbers threatening blackmailing. At the moment, Vance is just nothing in politics, but he may become dangerous in future. Putin prefer his friend Trump to rule and fuck Ukraine than Europe supporting Ukraine, easier for him to be sucked swallowed by robbering the poor, Trump.
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2988097]1) Until short time ago, Europe trusted the RF. No need until then to "cough up cash", as Europe not so imperialistic like USA.
Needing large military to rob other countries. Remember Iraq, which cost the USA about 3000 x1 Billion bucks?
2) Hasn't the USA some type of moral obligation? Ooops, not any more, as any moral gone.
Hasn't the USA some type of contractual obligation? Oops, not any more, USA does not care about any agreements from the past (Budapester memo, incl. Guaratees for UA).
Besides, 10% of the cost of USAs robbery attack on Iraq is too much to spend for UAs defence.
Yes, you are right: Europe was stupid enough to trust Russia. And even more stupid, to trust the USA.
May be, they really are "The Great Satan".[/QUOTE]It is a combination of naivety, ineptitude and extreme ideology that has got Europe to its knees and this is most true for Germany and UK. Taking Germany- Naiveity: to entrust their energy needs to Russia, to such an extent that their industry is now collapsing under unbearable energy prices; ineptitude: to shut down their entire nuclear programme so whimsically and think it would be inconsequential; to invite a million migrants in one go without any meaningful screening and think it would be inconsequential; extreme ideology: the highly socialist / leftist swing by Germany's predecessor government as manifested in the above two policies was going to without doubt have a countervailing protest movement as is now occurring with the AfD advances.
The centrist political position is the most sustainable in the long term. When politics too far left or right, there are countervailing political measures eventually. We have seen this throughout history, yet in conformance with Santanaya's admonishment: We forget the lessons of the past and are doomed to repeat it.
That was my simple point regarding Trump: the narrative that American's are stupid is in itself a stupid narrowminded one. He is a consequence of the excessive ineptitude and swing to a political landscape unsatisfactory for many people. His time too will come to an end. Eventually. I hope for America's sake and the world's that it settles into the centrist ground.
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2988097]1) Until short time ago, Europe trusted the RF. No need until then to "cough up cash", as Europe not so imperialistic like USA.
Needing large military to rob other countries. Remember Iraq, which cost the USA about 3000 x1 Billion bucks?
2) Hasn't the USA some type of moral obligation? Ooops, not any more, as any moral gone.
Hasn't the USA some type of contractual obligation? Oops, not any more, USA does not care about any agreements from the past (Budapester memo, incl. Guaratees for UA).
Besides, 10% of the cost of USAs robbery attack on Iraq is too much to spend for UAs defence.
Yes, you are right: Europe was stupid enough to trust Russia. And even more stupid, to trust the USA.
May be, they really are "The Great Satan".[/QUOTE]OK, let's be a little more realistic. It was not about "trusting". First, Russian energy was cheap, second, European politicians love bribes. No one forced Schroder to join the Board of Gasprom, did they?
[QUOTE=HotDog666;2988237]It is a combination of naivety, ineptitude and extreme ideology that has got Europe to its knees and this is most true for Germany and UK. Taking Germany- Naiveity: to entrust their energy needs to Russia, to such an extent that their industry is now collapsing under unbearable energy prices; ineptitude: to shut down their entire nuclear programme so whimsically and think it would be inconsequential; to invite a million migrants in one go without any meaningful screening and think it would be inconsequential; extreme ideology: the highly socialist / leftist swing by Germany's predecessor government as manifested in the above two policies was going to without doubt have a countervailing protest movement as is now occurring with the AfD advances.
The centrist political position is the most sustainable in the long term. When politics too far left or right, there are countervailing political measures eventually. We have seen this throughout history, yet in conformance with Santanaya's admonishment: We forget the lessons of the past and are doomed to repeat it.
That was my simple point regarding Trump: the narrative that American's are stupid is in itself a stupid narrowminded one. He is a consequence of the excessive ineptitude and swing to a political landscape unsatisfactory for many people. His time too will come to an end. Eventually. I hope for America's sake and the world's that it settles into the centrist ground.[/QUOTE]Another crack of BS. Europe is not collapsing. Europe, in fact, is doing fine. Weaning off the Russian energy needle is the best thing that's happened to Europe in the last 50 years.
However, strange as it sounds (because I don't normally agree with anti-Semites on anything) I agree that centrism would be best for any country, although I don't see Americans embrace centrist values any time soon.
[QUOTE=HotDog666;2987734]Dude, you are talking like a complete imbecile. There are so many non-sequiturs (look it up) and strawman arguments (look that up too) and false premises (even you won't need to look that one up. Maybe) in your self indulgent ramblings that you could confound a Philosophy professor. Give your head a shake....[/QUOTE]Here you go Paulie97. We now have a board member who's willing to debate you on your terms with all that ad hominem, sequitur stuff. Time to come back and participate. Unless you're CHICKEN! Bawk bawk bawk bawk!
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2988315] It was not about "trusting". First, Russian energy was cheap, second, European politicians love bribes. No one forced Schroder to join the Board of Gasprom, did they?
[/QUOTE]Europe trusted the idea, that commercial business, profitable for both parties, eliminates the danger of war. Europe sold a lot of industrial product to the RF, and RF sold a lot of energy.
The idea of American "jealousy" just pops up. Blow up Nordstream 2 should be a piece of cake for the SEALS, I guess.
For an imperialistic country like the USA the idea of a successful collaboration between industry rich Europe and resourceful country like RF has to be a nightmare.
Divide and conquer, instead. Before thinking about China.
Regarding bribes, I do not consider it to be unusual for American businessmen, too. Espeially when looking at US weapons industry and business with foreign governments.
Anyway, this does not seriously compare to imperialistic war for oil, which was the real reason to spend 3000 Billlions in Iraq.
Whether highest scale bribes here were the real catalysts, to be determined, I have to admit.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2988315]OK, let's be a little more realistic. It was not about "trusting". First, Russian energy was cheap, second, European politicians love bribes. No one forced Schroder to join the Board of Gasprom, did they?
Another crack of BS. Europe is not collapsing. Europe, in fact, is doing fine. Weaning off the Russian energy needle is the best thing that's happened to Europe in the last 50 years.
However, strange as it sounds (because I don't normally agree with anti-Semites on anything) I agree that centrism would be best for any country, although I don't see Americans embrace centrist values any time soon.[/QUOTE]Another crack of BS. Europe is not collapsing. Europe, in fact, is doing fine. Weaning off the Russian energy needle is the best thing that's happened to Europe in the last 50 years. <<.
You sound like someone with his head up his ass, because that is what you precisely are. You clearly have no idea what is going on in Europe if you think it's "doing fine".
With reference to your persistent anti-semitism smear, you reveal yourself to be one of those racist, Palestinian hating, neo colonisers who think it's ok to steal and occupy people's land and massacre their people. Are you the same hypocrite who protests about Russia's war on Ukraine, or am I mixing up my fuckwits?
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2988441]Europe trusted the idea, that commercial business, profitable for both parties, eliminates the danger of war. Europe sold a lot of industrial product to the RF, and RF sold a lot of energy.
The idea of American "jealousy" just pops up. Blow up Nordstream 2 should be a piece of cake for the SEALS, I guess.
For an imperialistic country like the USA the idea of a successful collaboration between industry rich Europe and resourceful country like RF has to be a nightmare.
Divide and conquer, instead. Before thinking about China.
Regarding bribes, I do not consider it to be unusual for American businessmen, too. Espeially when looking at US weapons industry and business with foreign governments.
Anyway, this does not seriously compare to imperialistic war for oil, which was the real reason to spend 3000 Billlions in Iraq.
Whether highest scale bribes here were the real catalysts, to be determined, I have to admit.[/QUOTE]If you haven't noticed, this clown Xpartan knows jack shit about Europe. He's one of the top 1% of Americans who know where Europe is on the map, and he's let his being in the elite of America go to inflate his head and to delude him into thinking he actually knows what he's talking about. It's quite amusing actually.
The hero doesn't realise that Germany was signing trade deals with Russia, while Russia was running rampant over Europe, committing terrorist attacks on British and European citizens. It was a stupid decision to make at that time, not necessarily in hindsight.
As for Imperial America's assault on war, which the British lapdogs also fell in line on, to be fair it wasn't all about oil. It was also about protecting Israel, as even our Zionist oppressors apologist will no doubt concede, if he has even a little honesty.
Sad attack on Mockba, killing at least 3 innocents. Pity, Putin didn t respect his Minsk signature and attacked Ukraine. Tanks are much less useful than drones which can kill at nearly 1000 kms now. Time now for these new weapons. Despite no more USA support, but Ukrainians don t give up. Trump support, but deads in his home for Putin. Russia under Putin, is not in safety.
[QUOTE=HotDog666;2988465]
You sound like someone with his head up his ass, because that is what you precisely are. You clearly have no idea what is going on in Europe if you think it's "doing fine".
With reference to your persistent anti-semitism smear, you reveal yourself to be one of those racist, Palestinian hating, neo colonisers who think it's ok to steal and occupy people's land and massacre their people. Are you the same hypocrite who protests about Russia's war on Ukraine, or am I mixing up my fuckwits?[/QUOTE]LOL. Great post!
[QUOTE=ReinerOtto;2988441]Europe trusted the idea, that commercial business, profitable for both parties, eliminates the danger of war. Europe sold a lot of industrial product to the RF, and RF sold a lot of energy.
The idea of American "jealousy" just pops up.[/QUOTE]It was not jealousy. Trump in his first term asked why you all are sending money to Russia versus buying it from the USA when the USA is paying for your defense from Russia?
You Europeans thought he was stupid because USA LNG was much more expensive but then the war happens, and Trump was proven right.
I thought Biden blowing up Nordstream was dumb, but what is the point of our giving aid when Europe kept buying Russian gas?
I really do not care what Europe does in the future with Russian energy. Thing is though if you are going to buy it again, then the USA definitely needs to check out of NATO.
I was envious of France's nuclear program and then it was just one dumb thing after another. Solar in Germany? Russian gas? Europe's energy program has made no sense to me. You all need to sit those climate change weirdos on the sidelines.