Dubai Reports

[QUOTE=Steamer33, Yesterday at 14:38]The punter gets angry and starts shouting at her. ... She eventually after more arguing and fighting gets away and goes home in tears, furious and upset.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steamer33, Today at 19:13]The point is, this guy became very aggressive and tried to force himself on her BB after she firmly had said condom or the deal's off. [/QUOTE]It was NOT clear from your ORIGINAL post, at least to me, that physical force was used. With the "gets angry", plus "arguing", I just associated "fighting" with the "arguing", as in verbal fighting, not physical. My mistake. Obviously, any physical coercion is totally unacceptable (so is verbal, but it is in a different category).

I did not mean to insult your personal relationships, but found your "anger" a bit OTT WHEN I [u]mis[/u]understood the initial report. Like I said, while unfortunate, arguing and shouting are not in the same league as physical violence (I have been involved in the former [the wg screaming and shouting at me], never in the latter).

[QUOTE=Steamer33]As with any goods or services, if you want quality, you have to pay a bit more.[/QUOTE]No arguement there. I've ALWAYS said a good price is what HER experience is worth TO YOU THAT night. Not saying I'd never pay 900, it's just that I've yet to find the girl that would apply to (and I cut my dxb teeth at Cyclone).

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] ... With so many guys on the WSG bragging about forcing the BB issue, I thought it was nice of Steamer to give a bit of insight on how bad it can make the girls feel. [/QUOTE]Hi RN, I don't remember ever reading on ISG where someone bragged that they forced BB on a girl. If they did, I'm sure they would've had a strong and instant reaction from many ISG members.

To Piper, 11Bravo, and Sporadic, I'm sorry I originally omitted some details (timescales, for example) which would have made my original post clearer and, indeed, my own anger at what happened. And thanks for reconsidering some of your earlier statements.

I think RN summed it up better than I ever could.

I would just like to say I consider a lot of my GF's friends (all WGs) as friends. We often get together, just socially, for a meal or a few drinks, as any other group of friends do. They have a job to do in Dubai to earn money, and so do all of us.

When my GF is working, I try to think of it as her just being "in the office", though that is never easy.

But I would rather have her earn Dh1,100 for a 10 minutes HJ from a regular she trusts and then come back home with me, than have to be without her while she has to spend all night with a complete stranger for Dh800.

So that's why I sometimes take her "to work" and wait for her.

By the way, I don't read a book while I am waiting. Just listen to the radio and have a smoke.

Steamer 33

[quote=piper1]hi rn, i don't remember ever reading on isg where someone bragged that they forced bb on a girl. if they did, i'm sure they would've had a strong and instant reaction from many isg members.[/quote]

haha...i just realised i said wsg. jeez, i'm getting old!

unfortunately, it happens a hell of a lot on here. sometimes the reaction is strong, but often it's more of a 'who are we to judge what other mongers do in bed?' type of attitude. makes me sick. that's actually why i enjoy reading the dubai thread so much - it's chock full of intelligent, respectful men who give a damn. :)

sporadic: i don't know much about other legal systems, but here they would charge you with the offence that attracts the highest penalty. so in sex work, even though it's technically a business transaction, you would be charged with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], not breach of contract. i totally agree that she shouldn't have had to refund any money - she'd already kept her end of the bargain.

this is exactly why i've been fighting so hard for decriminalised brothels in my state. no refunds for violent pigs and plenty of available muscle to come to your aid.

[QUOTE=Sporadic] Thanks, I really needed reminding.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you don't - but there are plenty of assholes who do.

Hi Mongers,

Thank you for the nice reports which has always been very helpful. I would mention in particular about the site [url]www.happyhourdubai.com[/url] and [url]www.expatriates.com[/url]. I used them during my Dubai trip a week ago and both worked well.

One advice regarding the first site mentioned above is that you tell Mina specifically about the type of girl you need. I had a problem in conversation with the Chinese she sent who knew only two words of English, namely good and f**k. Mina started with AED 1000 for 2 hrs and came down quickly to 500.

As regards the second site, concentrate on those ads wherein contact numbers are given so that you can call and get more info about the girl. For email addresses, I tried four without any response. Hope this helps fellow members.

Deon123

Hi Tom,

I tried to send you email on your address without any success. Have you changed your address? I will visit Dubai around 25th of this month and would appreciate if you PM me how to get in touch with you, obviously to place order for my s*x meal. Thanks buddy for the services advertised.

Deon123

[QUOTE=Piper1]I do that with my regular GF also. Once she hops back in my car after giving a punter a quick CIM blowjob, I reward her with a slap on the ass and a deep lingering DFK, then we go spend half her earnings on clothes for me - usually shiny shirts, chunky gold chains and bracelets, and baseball caps (which I wear backwards). We're both happy with the arrangement.[/QUOTE]Piper the shirt and the bling you had on while we met last was really great. Now I know where you got it. WOW!

Sylvan (R in BTF)

[QUOTE=Steamer33]I would just like to say I consider a lot of my GF's friends (all WGs) as friends. We often get together, just socially, for a meal or a few drinks, as any other group of friends do. They have a job to do in Dubai to earn money, and so do all of us.

When my GF is working, I try to think of it as her just being "in the office", though that is never easy.

But I would rather have her earn Dh1,100 for a 10 minutes HJ from a regular she trusts and then come back home with me, than have to be without her while she has to spend all night with a complete stranger for Dh800.

So that's why I sometimes take her "to work" and wait for her.

By the way, I don't read a book while I am waiting. Just listen to the radio and have a smoke.

Steamer 33[/QUOTE]Always a difficult one, I had several GF's who have been WG's in Asia and back in UK and, as regular Dubai readers know, have one here in Dubai now. I like the no-bullshit attitude you get from WG's around the sex issues and when I meet one that just has a nice personality to boot it makes a fairly complete package for me. The problem comes when you do get attached to them it can be really difficult at times to know they basically fuck around with other men. My own rules in this are simple:

A: Never discuss the detail of their work with them, I. E. Did you have a good night? OK. Was he a good fuck? Not ok IMHO

B: Never wait for them. I find this a real killer to be honest, if you expect them to come home at 1am and she doesn't turn up by 1. 30am (the usual case) I start to go mental thinking all kinds of horrible thoughts. So when she is out working I leave her to it and don't see her on that particular evening. If she text then fine we'll exchange a few messages and sometimes she pops over if business is slow but this is then a bonus

I know everyone has their own way of doing things and I'm certainly not saying my way is right but that's how I handle it and my tuppence worth. The other thing, as you point out, when you do have a WG\GF you get much more into the girls as human being and have a good laught with them so incidents like the current one being discussed to tend to inflame you a bit more, it could easily be your own gf or one of her mates you know well and consequently much more personal.

Anyway, good to see adult and informed discussion on the forum as usual.

Respect and Romp

Zing

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] Unfortunately, it happens a hell of a lot on here.[Sometimes the reaction is strong, but often it's more of a 'Who are we to judge what other mongers do in bed?' ...[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, after writing my comment below, I read a post by good ol' Opebo in BKK, bragging that he managed to finish BB inside a girl against her wishes. He received a couple of negative comments, but most readers know him well enough to know he only posts such comments purely so he can snicker at the negative reaction. He's largely ignored nowadays.


[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey] This is exactly why I've been fighting so hard for decriminalised brothels in my State.[/QUOTE]From memory, you're in WA, so I'm surprised brothels aren't decriminalized there. It's the home state of the EROS foundation, no? (EROS foundation is the main adult-industry political lobby group in Australia). I used to enjoy the annual SEXPO exhibitions they organized.

Picture this guys: SEXPO was a large annual trade exhibition in Australia, open to the public, similar to GITEX etc, but the focus was on the sex and porn industry. They had some great exhibits, competitions and prizes (including vouchers for free sessions at top-class brothels). Nothing sleazy about the exhibition - in fact the aim was to bring the sex industry into the mainstream and de-sleaze its image.

It included dozens of stalls and demonstrations, including presentations by "safe-sex" doctors, alongside toned-down dominatrix shows where a lucky audience member could volunteer to be the slave, plus sex toys, videos and magazines, information stands run by working girls from well-known brothels, etc. Thousands of people attended each year - many if not most were couples. I remember taking my (bi) girlfriend there. She was hesitant to come along at first (being from a well-known conservative family in town) but she loved it, and asked me to bring her back the next day (she loved the lesbian mock-act).

RN - maybe you could arrange for a SEXPO to be held in Dubai? ;)

[quote=rubber nursey]unfortunately, it happens a hell of a lot on here. sometimes the reaction is strong, but often it's more of a 'who are we to judge what other mongers do in bed?' type of attitude. [/quote]i'll agree with piper. maybe on other threads, but on this one, while bb obviously does occur, it's by mutual consent (as much as it can be when there is always the 'financial' pressure, as in loss of a good customer). but certainly not overt physical threat.

[quote=sporadic]here is another definition for you:[/quote]lol. i always enjoyed professor kingsfield. "mr hart, here's a dime... "

will agree with sporadic: no refund owed when things had progressed so far. i've always said, make things clear in the bar. if there is a disagreement back home, let it be at the beginning. if the package is unopened, then it can be returned, no penalty. but as soon as you begin, you've accepted the stated conditions.

[quote=bpd81]:-< perceptions and opinions are just like assholes everybody’s got one.[/quote]speaking of quotes, the full one is: opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one, it's just that some are more shitty than others. :)

[quote=rubber nursey]even if the booking hadn't actually started, steamer said the guy was yelling at her, so it wasn't exactly a polite request. the same emotions apply, even if the booking hasn't got underway. you're still alone in a hotel room with an angry stranger and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and/or violence is still a possibility.[/quote]no denying that. but it also cuts both ways. i've been in a room where a wg has gone off the deep end, ranting and raving (e.g., she turning a lt deal into st, but still wants the lt pay). piper also reported a different experience. granted, i'm not so worried about [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and violence, but there certainly can be "ramifications". too much of a scene, le shows up, and you're trying to explain to the home office (and maybe your wife) why you can't be at work due to having to be in court to defend yourself against exactly what charges - adultry? sex outside of marriage? sure, maybe not illegal back home, and a fun topic around the water cooler, but in the board room... not exactly the 'image' your company wants to present in a foreign land...

like i said, i'm not unsympathetic, and this guy was wrong, but there's bad on both sides of the line.

[quote=steamer33]when my gf is working, i try to think of it as her just being "in the office", though that is never easy.[/quote]since you brought it up: if it's that bothersome to you, then why don't you 'retire' her?

[QUOTE=Piper1]From memory, you're in WA, so I'm surprised brothels aren't decriminalized there. It's the home state of the EROS foundation, no?[/QUOTE]
Good lord, no. That would be far too progressive for WA! Eros is based in Canberra.

There are laws before State Parliament at this very moment seeking to decriminalise brothels. Sex for money is not illegal here, but everything else is - running brothels, working the streets, two girls in one house, etc.

[QUOTE=Piper1]I used to enjoy the annual SEXPO exhibitions they organized. RN - maybe you could arrange for a SEXPO to be held in Dubai?[/QUOTE]
Sexpo is still going strong. It hit Perth a couple of weeks ago, but I couldn't make it. It's an awesome day out and a very much loved event on the Oz calendar. It has its own website if people are curious.

I don't think I'd have much luck bringing a Sexpo to Dubai. I'd probably be stoned to death!! :)

[b]Rattlesnake, Friday, 11:15 - 11:30[/b]
15 minutes - either really good or really bad. Unfortunately, the latter. 35 dhs, no drink. Walking in, IMMEDIATELY realized I'd made a mistake. A number of a-listers missing (well, the airshow is in town), and the chorus wasn't looking too good either. One word: sparse, both in wg's and punters. Sporadic, as bad as it was when we were there - think an order of magnitude LESS. There ought to be a Rattlesnake status board that gives a green/yellow/red status. Friday night, it was RED.

Did see Miss Supermarket (see previous post); she came over and gave me a big hug. There were a few candidates about, but... Then I saw Miss Familiar enter. Things looking up, especially given the low number of punters in residence at this hour. Even better, she was giving me the warm smiles tonight, so walked on over.

Oops, perhaps I just happened to be where her non-focused gaze was fixed while she exchanged pleasantries with her gf, because when I arrived, I got a very BLAND greeting. In fact, after the brief greeting, she stepped up to the front row of the entry gauntlet. Not a good sign, but... I'd paid my 35 dhs, might as well take the swing, even if I knew it was futile. Stepped over, asked her how much for tonight. In a voice that would have been perfect in one of those non-human voice mail systems, and a look on her face of "what's wrong with your short term memory?", it was a FLAT "800". She has the attractive face, the nice body, but what is missing, most definitely with me, is ATTITUDE. Her's was STRICTLY business. Batter goes down swinging.

Thought about trying some phone number, but like I said before, that's kind of like asking for directions... Looking around, figured if I was going to be unaccompanied, I might as well have some DECENT music, so headed out for the Seaview. But left the 'Snake's "hospital" band on, just in case. After all, it is on the way home...

On my way to the Seaview...thinking... I had originally planned on an initial York visit, 10-11, but the gravitational pull of the couch screwed that up. But I can certainly adapt to a changing game situation, so why not?

[b]York, Friday 00:00 - 1:00[/b]
OK, actually Saturday MORNING, but you know what I mean. Walking in, the place was jumping, or felt like it anyway. Not too crowded, but the mass was there. Ordered a drink (insurance, plus I was hot from the walk to where I'd stashed the car).

Side note: I don't exactly blend in here :), but I have no problem with the York waitresses. Even at the end, when I was sans drink, I only had 2 non-intrusive requests if I wanted anything. Obviously, that only works if you're known, but I think if you set the tone...

Drink comes, and rather than pay with small bills, I decide to break a 100, just in case taxi money is required the next morning. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Waitress disappears, promising to return with the change. The problem is, just then, I see a dynamic duo sweep by. One a LITTLE spinner in a school girl outfit, Miss SG; new to me. I'm cringing at my thoughts... But because I'm pinned to the spot waiting for change (sorry, the waitresses all look the same), I can't pursue.

EVENTUALLY, waitress returns with the change, seems like forever, but I'm sure that's only because I was EAGER to go into pursuit mode. I go looking - they're nowhere to be found. Make a circuit... nothing. 2nd round, there they are, chatting up a potential. OK, will make another round, come back, see what's happened. I return, all 3 are gone. Damn - you snooze, you lose.

Another circuit, just in case. No. So time for the stationary search method: I stand next to the migration path, watching the flow. When the same face comes around again, then again... Looks hopeless, time for an alternate target.

See a SLENDER, rail thin looker, for sure York top gun. Some eye contact, some smiles, and I step over. Her english is excellent, she's been to university (why not). Miss Uni's good english is appealing, even if I'm not so attracted to the a-size rack. While chatting with her, my departed fav's roommate comes over - as usual, all the a-listers know each other. Too bad I hadn't see her first (had pulled her a couple of weeks ago, nice time). But before I can change "horses", she excuses herself. Hmm, professional courtesy or maybe she's got something on the burner herself.

Back to Miss Uni. Trying to convince myself to make an offer, as opposed to hitting Seaview. Not much hope at this hour there, but... I'm struggling making the commitment... Just then, I see Miss SG cruise past. I excuse myself, light the afterburner, do a 180, turn the corner, and... she's gone. Disappeared... I start down the length of the bar... can't see her. Where the f*ck could she have gone? Those legs aren't that long... Then I see her, watching the pool tables. I reverse direction, and she's lost again. What is this, "Beam me up Scotty" time? I'm doing the 360 head spin... Then spy her hidden behind another. Fix her with my gaze, oblivious to anything else, bump into a couple of people as I make my way to her side.

Say hi, with a "I really like your outfit, though I probably shouldn't...", but that goes over her head. But get a WARM smile in return. This is more like it. INNOCENT face, cute smile, sparkling eyes... And that uniform... Now glad I've got taxi money and have started wondering where exactly do you get a taxi from the York because I don't want to be seen on the street - talk about a walk of shame - dad and daughter going to school.

She's 22, looks barely 18. Lives in Diera (that's bad - that means a taxi home, not the 11b taxi, but I definately will be taking her to the taxi stand as I don't want my neighbors to see an outfit like that leaving my abode.) Things looking GOOD. She asks if I'm going to take a lady tonight? I tell her I'm thinking yes.

I bend down, close to her ear, and ask how much? She looks up at me (she barely comes up to my chest, I'm sure she doesn't even break 5 feet), looks up with that SWEET, INNOCENT face, that demure smile, and says, "Dollars or dirhams?" Well, there goes the 'innocent' fantasy, but the compensation is, she must know her job. "I live here, dirhams." The sweet, innocent face speaks again, "800".

What is it? Has 800 become the new 5(00)? Has there been a CIA meeting where prices have been fixed? Truth be told, I'm a bit staggered, that fast ball blowing past me for a called 3rd strike. I don't even know if I made a counter offer. She gives me a BRIEF "why not?", and my MIND answers: what about all the fine wg's who came in underneath that price? Hell, 2 weeks ago, on a THURSDAY prime night, Miss Roommate was 700... I decline, and Miss SG moves off, MY fantasy in tatters. Another batter goes down swinging.

I see Miss Roommate "engaged" at the bar; that's a deadend; batter out, caught looking.

Back to Miss Uni. Where have I been? "Getting a drink", I half lie; well, it was a drink of reality. OK, time to make a decision. Fall over the fence to the plus side, ask for a price quote. "1000". The english is an attraction, but NOT that much of an attraction. Once again, I'm comparing [u]recent[/u] past history, and there's no way that that price will fly. I don't even bother with a counter offer. She's made my decision for me - Seaview it is. Another batter strikes out.

Walking out, see a successful Miss SG leaving. Don't know if he paid retail price... but must admit, I'm somewhat jealous. Oh well... At least I don't have to worry about a walk of shame; they are leaving a trail of turned heads behind him.

Note: Seems like Miss SG is quite well known. See a good-guy buddy at Seaview; mention my evening's tribulations, and he INSTANTLY knows who I'm talking about.

Walking back to the car, notice that I've lost the Rattlesnake band. Damn, there goes that option; I'm certainly NOT paying to go back inside.

[b]Seaview, Friday 01:00 - 1:30[/b]
Band's on a break. Not too crowded, but the [u]available[/u] [i]selection[/i] a bit sparse. It's bottom of the ninth, home team behind, looking grim.

Spot 1 familiar face on the dance floor, or at least I think it is. Yes, as she comes past, she says hi, but continues on to her date's table. 1 away.

Then things looking up (well, at this hour); see Miss Bi-Polar. Get a NICE smile; perhaps she's come to terms with her career choice. Walk on over to say hi. Get a warm smile, but before we can start anything, I get 'beaned': Sporadic's Miss Kirgie sees me, RUNS over to say hi. She's busy talking about Sporadic, but Miss Bi-Polar, thinking I've already made a choice, moves away. No offense, Sporadic, but it takes me a couple of minutes to extricate myself - your gravitational pull even from FAR away apparent.

In that time, Miss Bi-Polar has secured another obviously 'familiar' client. They're so entwined, that's 2 away.

Things really looking grim: bottom of the ninth, 2 away. Then I see Miss D. Haven't seen her around for a LONG time. Had pulled her last year - one of the sweetest, nicest girls I've known. Bit surprised; maybe it isn't her.

Step over, it is, and she's pleased I remember her name. She's also got a good memory, thanking me for some photos I'd given her. "Maybe we can make some new ones?" She shakes her head no. Strike 1. But she doesn't move off.

I try a different tack: "Any chance tonight?" "No." Strike 2. But again, she doesn't move off, and she doesn't appear to be looking around for her date.

Hmm. Let me try again. "You busy tonight?" "No." Foul ball, still strike 2.

Last chance. The pitcher winds up, the pitch... batter swings, "Would you like to go home with me tonight?" He connects, the ball's going, going, going, "Yes, I was hoping you'd ask", gone - home run.

Year on, some rough breaks, but she's still as sweet as ever. She might not have the face of Miss Familiar, but can certainly give her a run for the money over body, has the edge in dress, and as far as attitude - order of magnitude better.

Of course, given the late hour, I'm wiped today. Never a mention of money, so of course she got a bonus, and her new number tucked away in my mobile.

11Bravo - please don't think for a second that I was in any way having a go at you guys. The only reason I read this thread so consistently is because I love you guys and your attitudes. And your stories are a great read.

The responses to Steamer's WG girlfriend have been interesting. I'm genuinely surprised that you guys are so opposed to the situation.

Zing - nearly missed your post as the thread has been so busy (I haven't caught up with my reading yet!) I liked your report of your Kuwait adventure. She may have been a 5 in looks (as you say), but often a 5 in those circumstances is much more fun, exciting and memorable than an 8 or 9 WG from a club (besides, the rating scale is very subjective). Anyway - well done! I had a similar experience in Bahrain several years ago (a drinks waitress in a mujra club). I was only in Bahrain for four nights on that visit, and it took me the first two nights of flirting and doey-eyed pleading in the club before she finally agreed to secretly slip me her phone number (against management rules).

I still remember the remaining two nights in the hotel room with her more vividly than most WG experiences I've had. She was also very shy - in fact, the first night she wouldn't let me see her naked - only under the covers. Second night she was much more adventurous (partly because she 'knew' me by then, and partly because I'd taken her to a fun wine-tasting event at a five-star hotel earlier that night. ;))