Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Frannie;1849582]Interesting. These people are what would be called "trailer trash" in the US. They are likely living in government subsidized housing and living off government benefits and child support. Probably not paying the Turkish guys much other than a few meals, a few drinks and free sex.[/QUOTE]It is well known that the number of female sex tourists worldwide is almost equal in number to that of their male counterparts; its just that its less frowned upon. The women visit destinations where its known that the men are well-endowed. Destinations in Africa and the Caribbean are popular. With reference to Turkey, it is a very popular destination for Russian female sex tourists.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1849580][URL]http://youtu.be/6kiUjCceqd0[/URL]

Well this documentary will challenge your perceived notion of race and gender vis-a-vis mongering.

British (white) woman has been a frequent traveler (sex tourist) to Turkey with her kids. Her teenage daughter was getting pissed at mom, having to babysit her toddler brother. She wanted in on the action! Happily she did get her own light brown boy toy.[/QUOTE]OK, I have now watched the whole thing, or at least had it running in the background while I was doing some other tasks.

Not quite as represented as one gets into the story, because these women were looking for love rather than paying for sex acts per se, and while they were pretty cynical about love, and realize that the young guys were only in it for what they could get, they were also quite vulnerable. One woman (Terrie, age 50) came home almost in love and talking about a guy who had never asked her for a cent and who wanted to marry her. But as soon as she arrived home he texted her and asked for 1200 Euros.

The other main character, Debbie, the one whose daughter went along, was all gung ho before the trip, but by the end was saying it was the worst vacation of her life and "I need another fucking vacation to get over this one". Debbie is a hotel chambermaid. In fact the postscript to the documentary said that not long afterwards she decided to return to her husband. The teenage girl returned a few months later and her Turkish boyfriend proposed marriage to her. Not sure what the long term outcome was for the young couple.

Pretty good documentary, worth watching.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1849700]OK, I have now watched the whole thing, or at least had it running in the background while I was doing some other tasks.

Not quite as represented as one gets into the story, because these women were looking for love rather than paying for sex acts per se, and while they were pretty cynical about love, and realize that the young guys were only in it for what they could get, they were also quite vulnerable. One woman (Terrie, age 50) came home almost in love and talking about a guy who had never asked her for a cent and who wanted to marry her. But as soon as she arrived home he texted her and asked for 1200 Euros.

The other main character, Debbie, the one whose daughter went along, was all gung ho before the trip, but by the end was saying it was the worst vacation of her life and "I need another fucking vacation to get over this one". Debbie is a hotel chambermaid. In fact the postscript to the documentary said that not long afterwards she decided to return to her husband. The teenage girl returned a few months later and her Turkish boyfriend proposed marriage to her. Not sure what the long term outcome was for the young couple.

Pretty good documentary, worth watching.[/QUOTE]Not really sure who was exploiting whom here. The women using young Turkish men for convenient sex and affection, the young Turks exploiting the vulnerability of these women for financial gains of various kinds, although not usually payent for sex acts, or the TV company, which presumably paid these women for their participation or at least gave them a free vacation, in exchange for exposing them to public humiliation.

Needless to say, I would never participate in a TV documentary on mongering, no matter how much free pussy was included.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1847846]Me too! Wait a minute. Is that SubCmdr counting pesos. With your chica rotation (2 main 3 quickies) how will you get the extra time to spend.[/QUOTE]That's right GrownMan! I count my pesos. How else could I play "Santa Claus" or let the girls "rummage through my bank account" without going bankrupt? Having enough time is tough. I need a clone. My thoughts: "I regret that I have but one dick to give to my girls. ".

Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1850076]Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Kviar Disco is your best bet in Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1850076]Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Somebody asked me too.

I told him to ask Charles Pooter?

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1849580] Well this documentary will challenge your perceived notion of race and gender vis-a-vis mongering.[/QUOTE]This is a documentary paid for by someone and to that extent, it may or may not represent reality. Based on my own ethnic experience (and of course all Indian males are fucking hypocrites, I being no exception), there would be not even an iota of a possibility of going whoring in family. I happen to have had a lot of exposure with the Asian crowd and from Japan to Korea, all the way to Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Indonesia, where I was entertained by local I. E. , ethnic Chinese business people, males do go whoring together, after work but I doubt if it would be done family style. I cannot speak of Mainland China. In my days, Mainland China was still fairly poor to get into such strange gamboling. I also went whoring with Italians, Germans, Norwegians, Dutch and French. In connection with work but again strongly doubt if any would take their children with them. Finally, my Brit, Australian and NZ experience was virginal, I. E, no whoring together at all, strictly business.

Frannie referred to an interesting angle. That of class and I cannot quite ignore it, at least in my ethnic group.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1850076]Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Then you probably do not know that there is a Puerto Plata thread on this board.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1850076]Some one asked for a good place In Puerto Plata for Bachata dancing and pickup of chic I do not frequent Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]Furgon would be my choice.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1850132]This is a documentary paid for by someone and to that extent, it may or may not represent reality. Based on my own ethnic experience (and of course all Indian males are fucking hypocrites, I being no exception), there would be not even an iota of a possibility of going whoring in family. I happen to have had a lot of exposure with the Asian crowd and from Japan to Korea, all the way to Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Indonesia, where I was entertained by local I. E. , ethnic Chinese business people, males do go whoring together, after work but I doubt if it would be done family style. I cannot speak of Mainland China. In my days, Mainland China was still fairly poor to get into such strange gamboling. I also went whoring with Italians, Germans, Norwegians, Dutch and French. In connection with work but again strongly doubt if any would take their children with them. Finally, my Brit, Australian and NZ experience was virginal, I. E, no whoring together at all, strictly business.

Frannie referred to an interesting angle. That of class and I cannot quite ignore it, at least in my ethnic group.[/QUOTE]Yes, good comments. In fact in the video the two middle aged women had both been married to Turkish guys, and the marriages had fallen through, so they were going out there and dating younger Turkish men. They actually took their whole families, not just adult children, and the 11 year old son of the older woman was extremely unhappy and depressed (sleeping all day) as his mother spent every night away with a Turkish waiter at another hotel, and the other woman was extremely unhappy having to take care of the kid of her friend while her own younger daughter was out dating with a young Turkish guy (not really whoring). Anyway, as the documentary showed, these women were extremely dysfunctional in a variety of ways. The one whose daughter came along was actually rather ashamed of the kind of example she was setting for her daughter. One would actually have to watch the documentary three or four times to pick up on all the nuances of the relationships.

This is another very good documentary about a sex resort on the island of Marguerita off the coast of Venezuela, a bit like Blackbeard's. Interesting because it gives you quite a bit of a chica's eye perspective.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWX1Kyty4b0[/URL]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1850198]This is another very good documentary about a sex resort on the island of Marguerita off the coast of Venezuela, a bit like Blackbeard's. Interesting because it gives you quite a bit of a chica's eye perspective.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWX1Kyty4b0[/URL][/QUOTE]Haha, I ran across this yesterday as well. It was a bit like BBs, but the girls live onsite, and it was an all inclusive / have a girl for 24 hours type of thing. Kind of a sad deal for the chicas because they lived on an island away from their families. That being said, the documentarian definitely had the agenda of showing the resort in the worst possible light. The owner was insane to let them film. I did some research and they were closed down shortly thereafter.

[QUOTE=Henley100;1850309]Haha, I ran across this yesterday as well. It was a bit like BBs, but the girls live onsite, and it was an all inclusive / have a girl for 24 hours type of thing. Kind of a sad deal for the chicas because they lived on an island away from their families. That being said, the documentarian definitely had the agenda of showing the resort in the worst possible light. The owner was insane to let them film. I did some research and they were closed down shortly thereafter.[/QUOTE]I suspect the place was already in financial difficulty, probably behind with the rent, maybe the money received from the filming was the get out money. How did the girl who was fired pay for the taxi to take her away? Film company money, I imagine. Yes, of course the people who make these documentaries have an agenda, and they can very selectively edit their footage to tell the story that they want to tell. Still the part about the guy whose penis had so many warts it resembled a corn on the COB was an interesting, but gross detail that could not have been faked!

And the customers who were featured in the video must have also agreed to filming and possibly been paid for it. Can you imagine?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1850321]Still the part about the guy whose penis had so many warts it resembled a corn on the COB was an interesting, but gross detail that could not have been faked![/QUOTE]Agreed, that sounded horrifying. And the mamasan's laissez faire attitude with, "We'll talk about it later" was very sad. And dangerous. With those business practices, it's best that they're closed.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1850125]
I told him to ask Charles Pooter?[/QUOTE]I just posted in the Pto Pta thread.

I have question for you guys that been to Sosua and started traveling to other countries.

Where else did you find a similar easy going safe scene with chicas that look just as nice if not better than DR?

I been to Costa Rica a couple times, it was fun but pricier and the scene wasn't as alive.

I'm trying to go somewhere solo that's safe to explore, meaning low crime rate, I understand I'll still have to be street smart anywhere I go.

Strongly considering central & South America, Thailand and Philippines are just too far for a 4-7 night getaway.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1848432]Poster, let me throw this out at you. At the time there were very few black guys, what exactly was the exchange rate then? 30 to 1? 32 to 1?. 37 to 1? That means $100 got you less pesos than it does today. At 32 to 1, $100 was about 3200 pesos. $50 was 1600 pesos.

Today the rate is over 45 to 1. What is 3200 and 1600 pesos today? About $71 and $35 respectively. You think the evolution of chicas in the game, knowing the exchange rate has risen from the 30's to over 45 to 1 is going to stay stuck at getting 1000-1500 for all night or all day?

You blaming black guys and USA guys for Blackbeards and Field of Dreams letting the prices rise? How about the restaurants? Whose responsible for letting the prices go up? The rise of salaries, food, rent, hotels, airfare, taxis? Are mostly black guys and / or USA guys to blame for that too?

At present a guy can still get a chica toda la noche for 3000 (or less). Thats about $67. When the exchange rate was 37 to 1, 3000 pesos was about $81..[/QUOTE]Can you see and read things what I never wrote?

Where I said anything about BB or FD.

And you are the one who blaming white guys and said that most of white guys overpaying the chicas.

So who have start it?

And you example with the exchange rate doesn't work or you pay for everything you need like all in the supermarket from yourself just about you get more Peso now for your Dollars?

I don't think so.

And I don't care about any ethnicity for me count the personality.

And the husband of my sister is a black american so there is no problem for me.

And that it be in South America it be the most time the American who have let rise up the price and overpaying is just what I and many other have seen.

It's the same like in Asia it be Japanese and Korean who let rise up the the price and overpaying.

And the reason is that the most of them just come to mongering for a weekend or maybe a week and don't care for the view days about the money.

I'm going to be returning to sosua after some time away I've been exploring Asia and now find find myself enjoying [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url] (receiving) . Is this something ID be able to get there.

I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I have been to sosua a lot over the last couple of years but I want into this at the time and never it heard it mentioned there so have no.

Information on the subject.

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1851040] I'm going to be returning to sosua after some time away I've been exploring Asia and now find find myself enjoying [url=[URL]http://isgprohibitedwords.info[/URL]?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101]url] (receiving) . Is this something ID be able to get there.

I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I have been to sosua a lot over the last couple of years but I want into this at the time and never it heard it mentioned there so have no.

Information on the subject.

Okay, all, where the hell do I have to look for Code word translations?

[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1851040]I'm going to be returning to sosua after some time away I've been exploring Asia and now find find myself enjoying (forbidden word)
I searched the forum and couldn't find it. I have been to sosua a lot over the last couple of years but I want into this at the time and never it heard it mentioned there so have no.

Information on the subject.[/QUOTE]Find a chica, tell her what you want, ask her how much. If that does not work, find another chica, repeat process until successful. Wash and rinse. Launder bed linen.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Newport;1850955]I'm trying to go somewhere solo that's safe to explore, meaning low crime rate, I understand I'll still have to be street smart anywhere I go.[/QUOTE]The overall national crime rate is not a lot of help. You need to focus on the dangers to single gringos looking for chicas for sex. This tends to vary in inverse proportion to the amount of poverty. For example, I imagine if you went to Venezuela right now, given the economic situation, you would find lots of good-looking chicas available at low prices. But the level of street-crime is horrendous. On the other hand, if you go to Sweden there are many beautiful girls and a low crime level, but prices are very high.

For me, the Dominican Republic still offers the best compromise. The risk of crime is greatly exaggerated. It is crime between Dominicans within the impoverished barrios of Santo Domingo and, to a lesser extent, Santiago which cause the high crime rate.

I was old and feeble when I arrived in the DR ten years ago and I have not got any younger or fitter. For years I explored the barrios of Puerto Plata and the Haitian bateys where gringos are a rarity. I was only once in danger, fortunately from a pair of amateurish muggers who were probably more scared that I was, and that was because I was stupidly doing something I had repeatedly been told not to do. The very opposite of "street smart".

Anyone who is frightened to monger in the DR needs to stay at home and jerk off, or go to somewhere like Blackbeards. A lot of guys recommend Colombia. There are safe areas there. Maybe that is an affordable trip for you?

If you look at countries with overall low crime rates, the cost of mongering is very high.

(First, thanks to admin for directions to the translations page).

(Though considering the topics on this forum, its funny what constitutes "forbidden words".

WorldTraveler3, to your question, I recall years ago, a chica at BB mentioned one client there was asking the chicas for this service, and there seemed to be no problem with it.

Frankly, I think you'd have no problem. Hell, the chica seemed to think compared to some of the oral services some guys wanted, that service had minimal physical demands. (penetration, BBBJ, etc) and sounded like a "piece of cake" to her.

So, if you have the money, I see no problems getting what you want.
(Would suggest buying them lots of beer, first.:) )

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1851130](First, thanks to admin for directions to the translations page).

(Though considering the topics on this forum, its funny what constitutes "forbidden words".

WorldTraveler3, to your question, I recall years ago, a chica at BB mentioned one client there was asking the chicas for this service, and there seemed to be no problem with it.

Frankly, I think you'd have no problem. Hell, the chica seemed to think compared to some of the oral services some guys wanted, that service had minimal physical demands. (penetration, BBBJ, etc) and sounded like a "piece of cake" to her.

So, if you have the money, I see no problems getting what you want.
(Would suggest buying them lots of beer, first.:) )[/QUOTE]Ah, now I get it!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1851125]The overall national crime rate is not a lot of help. You need to focus on the dangers to single gringos looking for chicas for sex. This tends to vary in inverse proportion to the amount of poverty. For example, I imagine if you went to Venezuela right now, given the economic situation, you would find lots of good-looking chicas available at low prices. But the level of street-crime is horrendous. On the other hand, if you go to Sweden there are many beautiful girls and a low crime level, but prices are very high.

For me, the Dominican Republic still offers the best compromise. The risk of crime is greatly exaggerated. It is crime between Dominicans within the impoverished barrios of Santo Domingo and, to a lesser extent, Santiago which cause the high crime rate.

I was old and feeble when I arrived in the DR ten years ago and I have not got any younger or fitter. For years I explored the barrios of Puerto Plata and the Haitian bateys where gringos are a rarity. I was only once in danger, fortunately from a pair of amateurish muggers who were probably more scared that I was, and that was because I was stupidly doing something I had repeatedly been told not to do. The very opposite of "street smart".

Anyone who is frightened to monger in the DR needs to stay at home and jerk off, or go to somewhere like Blackbeards. A lot of guys recommend Colombia. There are safe areas there. Maybe that is an affordable trip for you?

If you look at countries with overall low crime rates, the cost of mongering is very high.[/QUOTE]More words of wisdom from the venerable (a polite term for old and feeble) CP.

Colombia is a bargain right now, with a very favorable exchange rate. However, to find the best mongering opportunities that means either Bogota or Medellin, not exactly the laid back, beach village atmosphere of Sosua.

Can't speak for Medellin, but in Bogota tourists are frequently targeted for both scams and violent crime. Following a few common sense rules will greatly reduce the risk.

Right now might not be the best time for a visit. They are dealing with an insufficient electric supply and Bogota is having daily blackouts.

[QUOTE=Newport;1850955]I have question for you guys that been to Sosua and started traveling to other countries.

Where else did you find a similar easy going safe scene with chicas that look just as nice if not better than DR?

I been to Costa Rica a couple times, it was fun but pricier and the scene wasn't as alive.

I'm trying to go somewhere solo that's safe to explore, meaning low crime rate, I understand I'll still have to be street smart anywhere I go.

Strongly considering central & South America, Thailand and Philippines are just too far for a 4-7 night getaway.[/QUOTE]Try St. Martin, Curacao, or Aruba. All, quite safe. Lots of English spoken, us dollars work everywhere, and girls are mostly Colombian or Dominican. Set up is different. St Martin and Aruba, girls work in bars. Curacao is a huge brothel, situated in a old military camp. Prices are slightly higher for the chicas. Curacao is the cheapest of the 3.

[QUOTE=Bubi1981;1851028]Can you see and read things what I never wrote?

Where I said anything about BB or FD.

And you are the one who blaming white guys and said that most of white guys overpaying the chicas.

[/QUOTE]I can see you are confused. 1st you said, I said ALL white guys overpay. Now you are downgrading, saying I said most white guys overpay. Well which fallacy are you going with? I'm pretty sure I wrote MORE THAN ENOUGH white guys are overpaying. More than enough white guys are overpaying is not saying all or most white guys overpay. Thats why I said you can't read. But you also have a problem grasping context within a total post. Its comical you write with all that attitude behind your words but are too stubborn to admit you misunderstood and exaggerated what you read.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1851740]I can see you are confused. 1st you said, I said ALL white guys overpay. Now you are downgrading, saying I said most white guys overpay. Well which fallacy are you going with? I'm pretty sure I wrote MORE THAN ENOUGH white guys are overpaying. More than enough white guys are overpaying is not saying all or most white guys overpay. Thats why I said you can't read. But you also have a problem grasping context within a total post. Its comical you write with all that attitude behind your words but are too stubborn to admit you misunderstood and exaggerated what you read.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter you said all or most or like you did white guys overpaying.

If you write white guys overpaying it means all.

And so you say only white guys overpaying.

For sure it gives white guys who overpaying but also black guys or which color ever.

And about the other you don't talk because you know it is the truth.

[QUOTE=Bubi1981;1851979]It doesn't matter you said all or most or like you did white guys overpaying.[/QUOTE]Of course it doesn't matter, NOW. Thats because YOU made yourself look ridiculous making up something I never said. And I had to mush you in the face with the facts in order for you to get it.

[QUOTE]If you write white guys overpaying it means all.[/QUOTE]Yes I realize that now, in your world. You process information by how it makes you feel. Sort of how you write. Kinda dyslexic like.

[QUOTE]And so you say only white guys overpaying.[/QUOTE]WRONG! Thats a lie. You said I said that. Its time for my saying once again. YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. I don't think the fucked up DISTORTIONS in your head, in my head. I don't expect you get that but some paying attention, will. I think in my own head and express my thoughts accordingly.

[QUOTE]For sure it gives white guys who overpaying but also black guys or which color ever.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you understood whatever the hell that means. But I aint going to bother.

[QUOTE]And about the other you don't talk because you know it is the truth.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with truth in why I never bothered to engage. More correctly, I see what I am dealing with in regards to an incoherent exchange of communication. So its not worth the effort. All it is going to do is make me look like I'm picking on the defenseless and aimless. This here reply to you is probably more than I should have bothered to offer.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1852116]Of course it doesn't matter, NOW. Thats because YOU made yourself look ridiculous making up something I never said. And I had to mush you in the face with the facts in order for you to get it.

Yes I realize that now, in your world. You process information by how it makes you feel. Sort of how you write. Kinda dyslexic like.

WRONG! Thats a lie. You said I said that. Its time for my saying once again. YOU CAN ONLY THINK IN ONE HEAD. I don't think the fucked up DISTORTIONS in your head, in my head. I don't expect you get that but some paying attention, will. I think in my own head and express my thoughts accordingly.

I'm sure you understood whatever the hell that means. But I aint going to bother.

It has nothing to do with truth in why I never bothered to engage. More correctly, I see what I am dealing with in regards to an incoherent exchange of communication. So its not worth the effort. All it is going to do is make me look like I'm picking on the defenseless and aimless. This here reply to you is probably more than I should have bothered to offer.[/QUOTE]Professor Wrx. Only last week you were saying that you could write in your private language if you wanted and it was the job of your readers to try to figure out what you meant. So if you decide to rename millennials Generation X, it is up to your readers to keep up with you. Now you are calling people dyslexic. Dyslexic means an inability to READ, but in your private language it means an inabilty to WRITE. No wonder people can't understand you!

I think I shall invent a new term for confusing language--dyswrxia.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1852344]Professor Wrx. Only last week you were saying that you could write in your private language if you wanted and it was the job of your readers to try to figure out what you meant. So if you decide to rename millennials Generation X, it is up to your readers to keep up with you. Now you are calling people dyslexic. Dyslexic means an inability to READ, but in your private language it means an inabilty to WRITE. No wonder people can't understand you!

I think I shall invent a new term for confusing language--dyswrxia.[/QUOTE]No Frannie my twisted comrade. I didn't say anything about writing in a PRIVATE language. I also didn't say anything about readers having the JOB of trying to figure out what I meant. Thats your twisted interpretation. Any readers participation is completely voluntary. So that crap you are claiming is you once again going down the wrong road.

More accurately, I said and meant it was up to readers (who are genuinely interested in understanding) to ask for feedback and get clarity rather than doing what you consistently do. You arent genuine in seeking understanding, so none of that applies to you, nor others who attack rather than engage in intelligent discourse. You got it, NOW? Or do you need further clarification?

Since when is saying an act (how one appears to read or write) is "dyslexic LIKE", equivalent to CALLING PEOPLE dyslexic? In case you didnt know, dyslexia can affect how a person writes as well as how they read. Look it up. Try to learn how to follow context and what's actually intended than how your brain recklessly processes information. You know you have trouble in this area, so just ask me and I will break it down for you. Here's a hint. When you decide to ask someone a question, don't supply them your multiple choices for them to choose from. Let them give you their own answers and / or explanation. You have a nice day! Okay?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1852344]Professor Wrx. No wonder people can't understand you![/QUOTE]Just a little fun. But who are you speaking for? Who are ALL of these people supposedly not understanding me? I don't recall any such claims. If any exist where are they? What impact does it have on the masses? Nada, so it aint worth entertaining.

Even the last poster didn't say he didn't understand me. His issue may not be a lack of understanding, because the individual is not there for understanding.

His focus appears to be more about an unwillingness to have an intelligent, non confrontational exchange. Which BTW is actually your problem. Thats why I have to engage you like this. Try to grasp the difference.

Lots of people here right now watch for the motoconchos they are all needing new bikes they pull out on the main roads never even looking. They figure if they die their families will live well on what you have to pay if you are the one who hit them. No one here really is careful walking or driving its like they don't even care if they live or die.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1852510]Lots of people here right now watch for the motoconchos they are all needing new bikes they pull out on the main roads never even looking. They figure if they die their families will live well on what you have to pay if you are the one who hit them. No one here really is careful walking or driving its like they don't even care if they live or die.[/QUOTE]I passed several Dynamic Message Signs yesterday on I95 asking American drivers to LOOK TWICE / FOR MOTORCYCLES / MoDOT CARES.

I did look twice each time, but I didn't see any, but apparently the same problem exists as in Sosua. They ought to solve it by banning motorbikes from Interstates, thus drivers don't have to keep looking twice for some asshole overtaking on the inside on a bile.

So maybe they should be posting signs in Sosua;[RED]"Mire dos veces para las motocicletas , se preocupa el ayuntamiento de Sosua."[/RED].

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1849393]Without getting into value judgment, I will have to agree with Frannie's contention, that each ethnic group (or perhaps linguistic group) has its own way of dealing with sexuality. I would never dream of bringing my son on a trip to Sosua, just the way, I would not think of going there with "friends" even though I have helped people with women I know there. Sex is too personal a thing.[/QUOTE]It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).It's perfect for both of us. We rent a condo (at the Garden Condos) and spend our days on the quiet beach (not sure of the name. but generally there is about 15-20 people there on a good day). Afterwards, we walk into town and drink and watch people. At night, we go to the discotecas and dance the entire night. When I'm there, I talk to guys there about mongering and they completely freak out because they think my wife doesn't know what goes on there (she's not an idiot). I get to look, flirt, touch, but don't have to deal with the aggressive girls because I have my wife there to put them in their place. The only time I really got into trouble was when a very, very attractive woman from Sweden that was on vacation paid a little too much attention to me (I'm a good dancer and she dumped the guy she was with and latched onto us, so she could dance Salsa and Merengue with me).

My wife is fine with the prostitutes (we've even taken a few home after she got to know them), but if someone pays attention to me that isn't looking for money, the claws come out. I meet so many guys there that wouldn't bring their wife or girlfriend there but I learned so much about my wife after our first visit, we actually ended up there because my wife read a Lonely Planet guide that said the town was nothing but prostitutes, and after hitting all of the touristy spots, she suggested we go there so I can look at the women while she tanned all day. Our second day, we ended up at the strip club (that's no longer there) and had a great time. We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;1853042] We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.[/QUOTE]Is that an invitation for a 3 some?

[QUOTE=Michael1967;1853042]It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year. [/QUOTE]Our sexuality is completely our own thing; what works for you may or may not work for me. Besides, you even mentioned about "claws". I want minimal drama in my life, so family and friends are definitely out on "whoring trips". Besides, I have very little interest in Sosua women. The ones I like are looking for permanence which is drama enough.

It was good reading your post though: Variety is the spice of life!

[QUOTE=Michael1967;1853042]It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).It's perfect for both of us. We rent a condo (at the Garden Condos) and spend our days on the quiet beach (not sure of the name. but generally there is about 15-20 people there on a good day). Afterwards, we walk into town and drink and watch people. At night, we go to the discotecas and dance the entire night. When I'm there, I talk to guys there about mongering and they completely freak out because they think my wife doesn't know what goes on there (she's not an idiot). I get to look, flirt, touch, but don't have to deal with the aggressive girls because I have my wife there to put them in their place. The only time I really got into trouble was when a very, very attractive woman from Sweden that was on vacation paid a little too much attention to me (I'm a good dancer and she dumped the guy she was with and latched onto us, so she could dance Salsa and Merengue with me).

My wife is fine with the prostitutes (we've even taken a few home after she got to know them), but if someone pays attention to me that isn't looking for money, the claws come out. I meet so many guys there that wouldn't bring their wife or girlfriend there but I learned so much about my wife after our first visit, we actually ended up there because my wife read a Lonely Planet guide that said the town was nothing but prostitutes, and after hitting all of the touristy spots, she suggested we go there so I can look at the women while she tanned all day. Our second day, we ended up at the strip club (that's no longer there) and had a great time. We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).[/QUOTE]But would you bring the children?

Obviously you have an open relationship which is fine. You already said you and your wife have picked up girls.

I am all for what you do. But most people aren't.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;1853042]It's funny because I bring my wife there at least once, sometimes twice a year (we will be there next month).It's perfect for both of us. We rent a condo (at the Garden Condos) and spend our days on the quiet beach (not sure of the name. but generally there is about 15-20 people there on a good day). Afterwards, we walk into town and drink and watch people. At night, we go to the discotecas and dance the entire night. When I'm there, I talk to guys there about mongering and they completely freak out because they think my wife doesn't know what goes on there (she's not an idiot). I get to look, flirt, touch, but don't have to deal with the aggressive girls because I have my wife there to put them in their place. The only time I really got into trouble was when a very, very attractive woman from Sweden that was on vacation paid a little too much attention to me (I'm a good dancer and she dumped the guy she was with and latched onto us, so she could dance Salsa and Merengue with me).

My wife is fine with the prostitutes (we've even taken a few home after she got to know them), but if someone pays attention to me that isn't looking for money, the claws come out. I meet so many guys there that wouldn't bring their wife or girlfriend there but I learned so much about my wife after our first visit, we actually ended up there because my wife read a Lonely Planet guide that said the town was nothing but prostitutes, and after hitting all of the touristy spots, she suggested we go there so I can look at the women while she tanned all day. Our second day, we ended up at the strip club (that's no longer there) and had a great time. We go back at least once a year now (April 13-25 if you want to meet up). We are even thinking of buying a condo there.[/QUOTE]

Children? What does anything he said have to do with children?? I have taken my daughters to Caberete many times. They love kite sailing. If that answered your weird question.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1853354]But would you bring the children?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1856166]Children? What does anything he said have to do with children?? I have taken my daughters to Caberete many times. They love kite sailing. If that answered your weird question.[/QUOTE]Because the poster said he brought his wife, who is presumably someone he is having a sexual relationship with, but the prior discussion was about traveling with other family members such as sons or uncles or fathers to participate in the prostitution scene in Sosua, not in kite sailing in Cabarete. So, no you did not answer my question.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1853354]But would you bring the children?[/QUOTE]If they were men yes. Men do men shit together. Bars, strip clubs, strip / fuck parties, brothels, bachelor parties. Or maybe that is just my friends and family. Bunch of damn bashful mongers!

Slumming and exploiting third world hookers is not something I'm particularly proud of, but it fills my needs at this stage of my life.

I never thought of "mongering" as a pastime when I was a young man. Too busy getting laid.

But, and here's the thing, why are folks always put out, in disagreement, disappointed, or even shocked, with other folks here, on a monger blog, if they have different interests, values and play a diifferent game?

There are no "accepted" rules on a board like this.

It's not a church bulletin :)

So let's have all the stories, and try not to be too judgemental, please!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1856181]

So let's have all the stories, and try not to be too judgemental, please![/QUOTE]We could only wish.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856175]If they were men yes. Men do men shit together. Bars, strip clubs, strip / fuck parties, brothels, bachelor parties. Or maybe that is just my friends and family. Bunch of damn bashful mongers![/QUOTE]Anna Karenina famously opens with the line "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. ".

I guess families do differ a lot, but I would think that for a family to be a family of happy hookers or happy mongers, there must be one person who originally created the atmosphere to make this possible. I have no sons, but I do have male nephews. Two of them have wives who are of different nationalities, whom they met while working or traveling overseas. But I don't think I would ever want to share anything about mongering with any of them, because I would not want to think that I was responsible for shaping their experiences or views regarding sexual experiences in general or paying for sex in particular, and in any case I would rather that they develop their own social skills and sexual relationships at their own pace. In other words, if one of them becomes a monger and never marries, I would not condemn them, but I would prefer not to have anything to do with them choosing that path.

Sorry my bad. Still don't know what the fuck your talking about. But there's not much I don't know. Children? No I would not fucking bring children to Sosua late night. Beach yea! Caberete yea! Father yes I have done that. Anyone else you have to guage how they will react to partying and fucking. I have brought groups of friends 10-15 people. But they new what they were in for. No sense in bringing a problem type person.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1856168]Because the poster said he brought his wife, who is presumably someone he is having a sexual relationship with, but the prior discussion was about traveling with other family members such as sons or uncles or fathers to participate in the prostitution scene in Sosua, not in kite sailing in Cabarete. So, no you did not answer my question.[/QUOTE]

He said children so I didn't take it as grown WTF? Children are young kids.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1856175]If they were men yes. Men do men shit together. Bars, strip clubs, strip / fuck parties, brothels, bachelor parties. Or maybe that is just my friends and family. Bunch of damn bashful mongers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1853354]But would you bring the children?[/QUOTE]Meeting up with Brother P later, and you can bet we will act like fucking children!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1856279]Anna Karenina famously opens with the line "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way. ".[/QUOTE]Wow! Getting Lev Tolstoy on this forum is icing on the cake. .

I have a son in High School who I can never imagine to be tagging along with me in my jaunts. I would almost see the look of disdain were I to even broach the subject. So not now definitely, not in another 16 years, indeed not ever and certainly I would not even be dreaming of trying anything like that! I think, this is a cultural thing, perhaps even with a class connotation. My understanding is that South America and Mexico in the north has such a culture even now, that of initiation. Europe (especially the part speaking the romance languages) definitely had a culture of casa which barring Germany and Holland (thank God), was expunged in the wake of WWII so I do not know how things were there earlier. Asia, (especially India) where prostitution is rampant, things are definitely not "out in the open" among the males in family as much as the macho culture is ubiquitous.

On the ground in Sosua now. Casa Cayena or whatever they call it nowadays is good.

Plenty of girls of all shapes, colors and sizes. Better looking ones have an attitude.

On Friday met a fairly ok looking girl from Santiago. We went to Classico and had a good time dancing and cuddly. Later in the room Good BBBJ, good fuck and very friendly. Was up for anything including staying with me and going anywhere. Paid her 3000 LT. Only problem is she had some sort of smell in pussy. Smelled like condom but not really bad. I am used to girls with no smell. She wanted to take trips but I reneged on the deal. In the evening met her again and another session followed. Gave her 1500 with a promise of meeting her later at Rumba. Later went to the casino and made some money.

Started hunting for a new one. Talked to many but did not find what I was looking for. I am a LT kind of guy. Many wanted 2000 for ST. Very few good looking ones Saturday. Maybe because of holy weekend. Never seen so many black guys in Sosua. Obviously from New York City. Girls seem to like them. Went to classico again but no luck. In Classico girls do not approach. You need to talk to them. Need to be little careful because some are regular girls with boyfriends out for fun. After couple of drinks left because of really tired and also I was looking for certain type of homely girls. Maybe better luck Tom.

Iam 20 days from being on the ground. I am staying in the same place. My problem is I know so many girls it is hard to walk the street with out being attacked. In some ways it is a good problem to have. I stay in contact with several girls in Sosua. The upside is they fuck me like the world is ending. The bad is it limits the sport fucking which is awesome in Sosua. Keep the reports coming.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1857013]On the ground in Sosua now. Casa Cayena or whatever they call it nowadays is good.

Plenty of girls of all shapes, colors and sizes. Better looking ones have an attitude.

On Friday met a fairly ok looking girl from Santiago. We went to Classico and had a good time dancing and cuddly. Later in the room Good BBBJ, good fuck and very friendly. Was up for anything including staying with me and going anywhere. Paid her 3000 LT. Only problem is she had some sort of smell in pussy. Smelled like condom but not really bad. I am used to girls with no smell. She wanted to take trips but I reneged on the deal. In the evening met her again and another session followed. Gave her 1500 with a promise of meeting her later at Rumba. Later went to the casino and made some money.

Started hunting for a new one. Talked to many but did not find what I was looking for. I am a LT kind of guy. Many wanted 2000 for ST. Very few good looking ones Saturday. Maybe because of holy weekend. Never seen so many black guys in Sosua. Obviously from New York City. Girls seem to like them. Went to classico again but no luck. In Classico girls do not approach. You need to talk to them. Need to be little careful because some are regular girls with boyfriends out for fun. After couple of drinks left because of really tired and also I was looking for certain type of homely girls. Maybe better luck Tom.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1856632]Wow! Getting Lev Tolstoy on this forum is icing on the cake. .

I have a son in High School who I can never imagine to be tagging along with me in my jaunts. I would almost see the look of disdain were I to even broach the subject. So not now definitely, not in another 16 years, indeed not ever and certainly I would not even be dreaming of trying anything like that! [/QUOTE]It's all cool dude! Frannie would be more than happy to have you along as his son (temporary DR adoption papers included) . 😜

Found a nice homely GFE girl. Very shy unheard of in Sousa. Young with no kids. Very good DFK and ready to please. Horny and clean with no smell. Nice big boobs. Keeping her for couple of days.

I like more of the long time GFE stuff also. Where you picking these up? Importing with DCupid or just walking the street?

[QUOTE=Sammon;1857566]Found a nice homely GFE girl. Very shy unheard of in Sousa. Young with no kids. Very good DFK and ready to please. Horny and clean with no smell. Nice big boobs. Keeping her for couple of days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1857650]I like more of the long time GFE stuff also. Where you picking these up? Importing with DCupid or just walking the street?[/QUOTE]I rent a car. Found this one on the street. Girl was so shy and was nervous. I am sure she has been around the block many times. But not the hard core types you see around Sosua. Nice GFE to take everywhere. Nice eye candy for dinner, casino, beach.

Obligatory pics.

Good shit, and keep up the good work! Thanks for keeping me motivated. I've got 43 days.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1857889]I rent a car. Found this one on the street. Girl was so shy and was nervous. I am sure she has been around the block many times. But not the hard core types you see around Sosua. Nice GFE to take everywhere. Nice eye candy for dinner, casino, beach.

Obligatory pics.[/QUOTE]

Was checking flights to Puerto plata from Newark $167 one way. The New York guys got a great deal in May.

167.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1858983]Was checking flights to Puerto plata from Newark $167 one way. The New York guys got a great deal in May.

167.[/QUOTE]On what airline?

I've heard some colombian chicas been heading to DR for work.

ANyone see an influx of them??

American Air and it gets in at 2:30.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1859356]On what airline?[/QUOTE]

Flight- This time happened to take Air Transat non stop flight from Toronto. Nice. They even give you $10 tourist card free. Air cost round trip $350 US.

Car rental- Good from Hertz- I always take full ins paying $32 more per day. I feel safer this way.

Hotel- Casa Cayena is good. I hope some day they will give 4 pillows instead of 2. Also 4 towels instead of 2. Nice king size bed and plenty of hot water. By the way the girls like cold water for shower.

Clubs- The day I went was good Friday. They said no alcohol till midnight. So I went to the casino. No restriction there. Classico (Name Change?) gets crowded. Rumba same.

Girls- Plenty in all shapes and sizes. No stunners except couple with made up boobs. I like homely looking types. No more girls coming from far out villages on weekends to make money especially from La Vega, semana etc. Previously good looking girls used to come from there.

Overall still a good destination for a short trip.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1860082]
Hotel- Casa Cayena is good. I hope some day they will give 4 pillows instead of 2. Also 4 towels instead of 2. Nice king size bed and plenty of hot water. By the way the girls like cold water for shower.

[/QUOTE]Thanks for your observations; I will post a report by Tuesday.

BTW, just ask the staff at Casa Cayena, now Sosua Sunset, for more towels and pillows; no hay problema.

It would have been nice to meet you, maybe another date and time.

Last time I was in Sosua, two years ago I had a helluva lot of fun with this gorgeous creature called Carolina, so much so we remained an item for five or six days doing plenty of stuff together. I really enjoyed her company and the fact she had an amazing body, great arse, infectious personality as well as loving sex and plenty of it was the cheery on the cake.

Not all plain sailing though because she was a proper drinker and towards the end of our time together I learnt she was rather fond of the white powder.

We were planning to stay in touch however, shortly after my return home her phone became disconnected and that was that.

I was wondering if any of you guys may have seen or "dated" Carolina during your Sosua adventures, more than anything I'm just curios to know how she's getting on in life.

[QUOTE=Pentire;1860308]Last time I was in Sosua, two years ago I had a helluva lot of fun with this gorgeous creature called Carolina, so much so we remained an item for five or six days doing plenty of stuff together. I really enjoyed her company and the fact she had an amazing body, great arse, infectious personality as well as loving sex and plenty of it was the cheery on the cake.

Not all plain sailing though because she was a proper drinker and towards the end of our time together I learnt she was rather fond of the white powder.

We were planning to stay in touch however, shortly after my return home her phone became disconnected and that was that.

I was wondering if any of you guys may have seen or "dated" Carolina during your Sosua adventures, more than anything I'm just curios to know how she's getting on in life.[/QUOTE]I can't be absolutely certain, but she looks a lot like someone I talked to in Rumbas last year. If it was the same girl, she's put on 10 to 15 lbs and doesn't look as good. I only noticed her because she was sitting on the barstool next to me and got a bit of an attitude when I told her I wasn't interested. She got downright pissy when I left with someone else. If it's the same girl, she looks a whole lot harder now.

I am planning my first trip to Sosua early May. I have been reading the forum and will do a report after I return. I am planning arriving there around May 9th and Staying in the DR for 10 days. Would being in Sosua for 10 days get boring and hence should I look to explore other parts of DR like Boca Chica, Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo during that time-frame.

I have previously mongered in San Jose, Costa Rica so going to Sosua would be a totally new environment for me. While you are in Sosua and near the beach with the freelance scene, do a lot of the girls approach you or do you have to approach them and assume most are prostitutes?

These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. The place can be draining for the girls. The sweetness is just squeezed out of them. Sometimes you find it in them but this is not easy. Coolness protects them from the many mongers who are jerks. When you see Sosua girls on return trips they are never the same. The fresh face girl you enjoyed is now a hard core puta. They learn how to scam and rip off.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1860511]I can't be absolutely certain, but she looks a lot like someone I talked to in Rumbas last year. If it was the same girl, she's put on 10 to 15 lbs and doesn't look as good. I only noticed her because she was sitting on the barstool next to me and got a bit of an attitude when I told her I wasn't interested. She got downright pissy when I left with someone else. If it's the same girl, she looks a whole lot harder now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1860608]These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. The place can be draining for the girls. The sweetness is just squeezed out of them. Sometimes you find it in them but this is not easy. Coolness protects them from the many mongers who are jerks. When you see Sosua girls on return trips they are never the same. The fresh face girl you enjoyed is now a hard core puta. They learn how to scam and rip off.[/QUOTE]So true.

I can get some heat for being too "soft-hearted" but when you consider the hopelessness a lot of these girls live with.

Start with a society with 99% living in what we consider poverty, with no hope of upward mobility.

The well-off 1% pay unliveable wages. (Starting to sound like the US, now).

Even those with "normal" jobs are the "working poor' with an average retail employee making just $250 US a month.

So they turn to the sex trade, and we all know the clients are not exactly George Clooney or Denzel Washington.

Do that for a while, and its hard for anyone to remain the same.

So, some get lost in that lifestyle.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1860608]These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. The place can be draining for the girls. The sweetness is just squeezed out of them. Sometimes you find it in them but this is not easy. Coolness protects them from the many mongers who are jerks. When you see Sosua girls on return trips they are never the same. The fresh face girl you enjoyed is now a hard core puta. They learn how to scam and rip off.[/QUOTE]Most of the Sousa girls don't last because they are fucking a lot of guys every day, they are drinking beer and partying all night, plus most of them do not exercise which I think is the key to looking younger. You have to exercise and burn that all out.

When I go to Brazil I have met working girls that are in there 30's and been working for 10+ Years plus off and on, and do not look a day over 22. Brazil women, eat good food, take there vitamins. And exercise everyday. They don't play when it comes to there health. They exercise hard and it shows. In Sousa these girls are very lazy and don't know how to keep themselves up.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1860608]These girls have very short shelve lives. I have seen girls who are smoking hot and a year later you would not touch. [/QUOTE]I like Old Kool's soft and rather humane way of looking at Sosua women. Wish all were that way, and their experiences with the women would be equally positive. You get back what you give.

I bought a smart phone unlocked for $59. This phone will get me 2 days of smoking hot sex from a very motivated young lady. When I have prearranged hookups I ask what gift they would like. Phones are in huge demand as well as perfume. Trust me these are great tools to have.

[QUOTE=Mufasa1;1860591]Would being in Sosua for 10 days get boring and hence should I look to explore other parts of DR like Boca Chica, Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo during that time-frame?
[/QUOTE]Pto Pta is only half-hour and one dollar away from Sosua. Boca Chica and Santo Domingo are the best part of a day's travel unless you hire a car, which I would not recommend.

Should be enough to keep you amused in Sosua, and nearby places like Pto Pta and Cabarete, for ten days. If you do get bored, a trip to Santiago is less than two hours.

[QUOTE=Mufasa1;1860591]I am planning my first trip to Sosua early May. I have been reading the forum and will do a report after I return. I am planning arriving there around May 9th and Staying in the DR for 10 days. Would being in Sosua for 10 days get boring and hence should I look to explore other parts of DR like Boca Chica, Puerto Plata or Santo Domingo during that time-frame.
[/QUOTE]It depends on how easily you get bored. If you need fresh input every day, then you'll run out of things to do. There are several different excursions you can take from Sosua, prices I believe are mostly $50-$100 USD. There's Castillo Mundo King (just tell a motoconcho driver "el museo" and point up the hill), but not much else to see.

[QUOTE]I have previously mongered in San Jose, Costa Rica so going to Sosua would be a totally new environment for me. While you are in Sosua and near the beach with the freelance scene, do a lot of the girls approach you or do you have to approach them and assume most are prostitutes?[/QUOTE]Do mosquitoes approach you, or do you have to approach the mosquitoes?

When you walk down the street they will grab your hand or your arm (and sometimes your wallet). When you sit down to eat they will try to sit at your table. While you're drinking a beer they will line up to walk past. Wednesday through Saturday night you'll say "no" 50 times a day. Even on the beach, they will let you know they are available.

Unless the girl is working somewhere, it's pretty safe to assume she's available for a fee. That's not saying your waitress, bartender, room maid or store cashier won't also be available for a fee, but you may want to let them make the first move.

3 or 4 days of Sosua is a lot. However like others have said there are some fun things to do. First Caberreti has a great Beach especially on the weekends. The night life on the weekends is great if you have a date with you many club / restaurants.

I would also catch a bus to Santo domingo takes 5 hours but I enjoy the ride. You will see the country side. Stay in the colonal zone where there are tourist things to do and street walkers. SD has malls. Casinos and Discos. If you find someone special in Sosua take her to SD with you you will a ball.

L have a ball.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1861003]Pto Pta is only half-hour and one dollar away from Sosua. Boca Chica and Santo Domingo are the best part of a day's travel unless you hire a car, which I would not recommend.

Should be enough to keep you amused in Sosua, and nearby places like Pto Pta and Cabarete, for ten days. If you do get bored, a trip to Santiago is less than two hours.[/QUOTE]

Logistics and things:

Flight:

Flight was out of SAN to POP on AA for $700 and change. Flights were pretty much on time and with no issues. I really hate the red eye flight, especially topped with the 6 hour layover in Miami. This time I got into Miami early and stayed at the airport hotel for the night; the hotel was better this time.

Hotel:

For the seventh time, I stayed at Casa Cayena, now called Hotel Sosua Sunrise. Wilfried explained the previous owner was being difficult and wanted to keep the same web site domain. Wilfried was not at the airport, which was unusual. Turns out he had his second surgery a couple of weeks before I arrived. He was up in his room and seemed to be recovering well.

Wilfried is still offering breakfast and dinner included in the room rate. I only ate breakfast there twice, but I did have dinner on three nights. Room security was never an issue. I left out my laptop and surface pad daily without any issues. The entire staff is professional and overall outstanding. The only thing that changed at the hotel was the name change. I will continue to stay there.

Money:

I got lazy and just exchanged money at the hotel, the rate was 45 to 1. The rest of the time I abused the ATM machines and vice-versa.

Cell Phone:

My Claro sim card was still good from November, but I needed to put minutes on the card. Turns out, there is a Claro machine at the super mercado and the beach mercado. So putting minutes on the card is even more simple than before. I figured 300 pesos on the card would last me through the trip; it was plenty. I also learned how to check how many minutes are left on the card. Type *122# and hit the send button.

Food:

Besides eating at Casa Cayena, I ate at other spots. I had the ribs at the Scandinavian place on the beach. They are the best ribs I've ever had in Sosua! Also the steak tenderloin with peppercorn sauce is fucking amazing! I had that twice during my stay. BTW, Tom the owner has lung cancer and already had 2 chemo treatments. I hope the best for him!

I tried a few new places this trip. On Monday night, it was all you could eat chicken at the Gringo's BBQ for 499 pesos, come on, round it off to 500 pesos for christ's sake. The meal came with one side choice. The chicken was tough; I must have had the old ass non free-range chicken. The mashed potatoes were good. I like baked beans so I paid extra for the side. The beans tasted like they were fresh out a can; yuk!

I had the gumbo 3 different nights at Bourbon Street; it was that good. It came with white rice and cornbread. Someone put a butt-load of money in that place; it was quite impressive. The last place I tried was the new Asian place called Yamazato. Another impressive restaurant. Bill, the guy that almost lost his life to a stairwell two years ago, recommended the place. Lots of Sushi choices, plus some Thai dishes. I had the crab croquettes, which were very good.

The Beach:

Made the mistake of going to the beach the day after good Friday; what a sight. The place was packed. I was able to score a table at Tom's place; there was tons of eye candy! The rest of my stay was either at Tom's or Freddie's place. After Saturday, I saw very few cops and a good amount of working girls walking up and down the beach. I pulled two girls off the beach during my stay.

Timing:

This was the first time that I arrived on good Friday and the strip was dead. Lucky for me, Brother P got in town the same day. All the larger bars would not serve alcohol until midnight, but that was not going to stop myself and Brother P from getting some tasty adult beverages! We walked towards the casino and we found a few small bars that were serving alcohol; praise the lord dammit! We sat outside with a couple of girls that worked in one of the places. For whatever reason, the drinks and shots were coming by the numbers; weird huh? At midnight, Rumba was raining with chicas and alcohol; praise the lord dammit!

Rumba still had the best game in town; but the girls came out later than usual. The club was full just about every night. Brother P and I were surprised about the number of chicas that were in Rumba on a Monday night. For those that love the Haitian chicas, they have an outside office set-up at the tree stump in front of Bourbon Street. I pulled two from their office.

Women:

It really helped to have established contacts. As soon as I returned to my hotel from the beach mercado, one of my FB girls was standing outside the hotel. I spent some time with a few new girls, but also some time with my previous girls. Sosua IS NOT dried up, as some would have you believe. There are still plenty of girls available. Some were asking for 2000/2500 for short time, but many were still going with 1500. It is still a buyer's market.

Final thoughts:

Sosua is ever changing; so get used to it! New restaurants / bars open and then are closed. Streets are blocked off for silly movies, and then wide open for the chicas and us, the ones that want the chicas. The cruise ship crap did not put a dent into the scene, at least, not during my stay.

This was my 18th trip in 7 years and I watched this place with its ups and downs. Some places are closed while enough places are still open to provide a good assortment of chicas. Friday and Saturday nights were off the hook concerning the number of women that were available. This place still is one of the best values in the world, and also, if you make connections, it is a great place to come back to on a regular basis. I love the women and they seem to love my pesos, so I will return!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1861177]Logistics and things:

Flight:

Flight was out of SAN to POP on AA for $700 and change. Flights were pretty much on time and with no issues. I really hate the red eye flight, especially topped with the 6 hour layover in Miami. This time I got into Miami early and stayed at the airport hotel for the night; the hotel was better this time.

Hotel:

For the seventh time, I stayed at Casa Cayena, now called Hotel Sosua Sunrise. Wilfried explained the previous owner was being difficult and wanted to keep the same web site domain. Wilfried was not at the airport, which was unusual. Turns out he had his second surgery a couple of weeks before I arrived. He was up in his room and seemed to be recovering well.

Wilfried is still offering breakfast and dinner included in the room rate. I only ate breakfast there twice, but I did have dinner on three nights. Room security was never an issue. I left out my laptop and surface pad daily without any issues. The entire staff is professional and overall outstanding. The only thing that changed at the hotel was the name change. I will continue to stay there.

Money:

I got lazy and just exchanged money at the hotel, the rate was 45 to 1. The rest of the time I abused the ATM machines and vice-versa.

Cell Phone:

My Claro sim card was still good from November, but I needed to put minutes on the card. Turns out, there is a Claro machine at the super mercado and the beach mercado. So putting minutes on the card is even more simple than before. I figured 300 pesos on the card would last me through the trip; it was plenty. I also learned how to check how many minutes are left on the card. Type *122# and hit the send button.

Food:

Besides eating at Casa Cayena, I ate at other spots. I had the ribs at the Scandinavian place on the beach. They are the best ribs I've ever had in Sosua! Also the steak tenderloin with peppercorn sauce is fucking amazing! I had that twice during my stay. BTW, Tom the owner has lung cancer and already had 2 chemo treatments. I hope the best for him!

I tried a few new places this trip. On Monday night, it was all you could eat chicken at the Gringo's BBQ for 499 pesos, come on, round it off to 500 pesos for christ's sake. The meal came with one side choice. The chicken was tough; I must have had the old ass non free-range chicken. The mashed potatoes were good. I like baked beans so I paid extra for the side. The beans tasted like they were fresh out a can; yuk!

I had the gumbo 3 different nights at Bourbon Street; it was that good. It came with white rice and cornbread. Someone put a butt-load of money in that place; it was quite impressive. The last place I tried was the new Asian place called Yamazato. Another impressive restaurant. Bill, the guy that almost lost his life to a stairwell two years ago, recommended the place. Lots of Sushi choices, plus some Thai dishes. I had the crab croquettes, which were very good.

The Beach:

Made the mistake of going to the beach the day after good Friday; what a sight. The place was packed. I was able to score a table at Tom's place; there was tons of eye candy! The rest of my stay was either at Tom's or Freddie's place. After Saturday, I saw very few cops and a good amount of working girls walking up and down the beach. I pulled two girls off the beach during my stay.

Timing:

This was the first time that I arrived on good Friday and the strip was dead. Lucky for me, Brother P got in town the same day. All the larger bars would not serve alcohol until midnight, but that was not going to stop myself and Brother P from getting some tasty adult beverages! We walked towards the casino and we found a few small bars that were serving alcohol; praise the lord dammit! We sat outside with a couple of girls that worked in one of the places. For whatever reason, the drinks and shots were coming by the numbers; weird huh? At midnight, Rumba was raining with chicas and alcohol; praise the lord dammit!

Rumba still had the best game in town; but the girls came out later than usual. The club was full just about every night. Brother P and I were surprised about the number of chicas that were in Rumba on a Monday night. For those that love the Haitian chicas, they have an outside office set-up at the tree stump in front of Bourbon Street. I pulled two from their office.

Women:

It really helped to have established contacts. As soon as I returned to my hotel from the beach mercado, one of my FB girls was standing outside the hotel. I spent some time with a few new girls, but also some time with my previous girls. Sosua IS NOT dried up, as some would have you believe. There are still plenty of girls available. Some were asking for 2000/2500 for short time, but many were still going with 1500. It is still a buyer's market.

Final thoughts:

Sosua is ever changing; so get used to it! New restaurants / bars open and then are closed. Streets are blocked off for silly movies, and then wide open for the chicas and us, the ones that want the chicas. The cruise ship crap did not put a dent into the scene, at least, not during my stay.

This was my 18th trip in 7 years and I watched this place with its ups and downs. Some places are closed while enough places are still open to provide a good assortment of chicas. Friday and Saturday nights were off the hook concerning the number of women that were available. This place still is one of the best values in the world, and also, if you make connections, it is a great place to come back to on a regular basis. I love the women and they seem to love my pesos, so I will return![/QUOTE]My Gosh, it looks like all those chicas are giving birth to the same old man!

Glad to see another of my age group representing our generation well.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1861177] I love the women![/QUOTE]Oh yeah, that's obvious!

I do not know how you can have a bad time in Sosua. Wine women and song all ate great prices. I am 60 years old but in Sosua I feel like a teen ager.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1861180]My Gosh, it looks like all those chicas are giving birth to the same old man!

Glad to see another of my age group representing our generation well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1861256]I do not know how you can have a bad time in Sosua. Wine women and song all ate great prices. I am 60 years old but in Sosua I feel like a teen ager.[/QUOTE]I have spent two weeks in Santiago, PP and Sosua. My plan was to spend a month, that means two more weeks. I am cutting short my time, taking Metro to Santa Domingo, and getting a flight out of here to Medellíand.

The drinks, food, playa, hotel is all good. Too much hard work for getting semi-pros, the quality of point and click chicas is not to my liking. I would walk the streets up and down, find a table and have few drinks, light up a cigar while watching the scene, step into Rumbas, looking 100's of chicas every night, telling myself not to keep high standards to choose chicas, even then I will go back to my hotel solo.

There were two gems, and I enjoyed their company a lot, we are talking two over a period of 14 days. I tried everything possible, online apps to taking help from local guys, even accompanying a casino worker at 1 am on a 30 peso taxi ride to Montellano, and then a motochoco ride at that hour into a hood I have no knowledge of, in search of quality. And I can go on listing more. So I tried everything I could. It did not work for me. A German guy was shot and killed few weeks back, and a Canadian guy was killed this week. While I had felt safe so far, can't help thinking my adventures in search of quality will take me to trouble. So I asked myself why the hell can't I fuck all these easy chicas that show up. Went back on the street last night with an open mind, and still could not take it. There were three real good ones, when approached they said no ID. Out of the blue a really scary looking negra shows up, veterans have to know her, I can not forget this scarry face, thin one, short hair, has no bums for a negra, and she holds my hand and asks whether I am interested. Eureka moment. Has my life become that bad I am so desparate to stand on this god damn street and be approached by this filthy pig. I am sorry to call her that way, that is exactly how I felt so writing it here.

I did see a bunch of black guys from Texas having good time. Other than these guys, all the rest were 99% older men. Perhaps at that time in my life there will be a different perspective and I will recommend Sosua to others.

Thank you to many of the bros on this site who helped me to plan the trip. Their help made my stay comfortable I must add.

Sosua is for pros. If all you wanted was semi-pros you were in the wrong place. I think one week in Sosua is a lot. You did not do a good job of planning. Everyone one on the site told you Sosua was not the place for semi pros. If your language skills are poor you are not finding semi pros in the Dr or Columbia. Not real clear what your expectation were but DR women are generally very attractive and Sosua has more then it share. Good luck to you but better planning will prevent wasting your time and money. I will be there next week and will have more 8 to 10's then I can handle.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1862454]Sosua is for pros. If all you wanted was semi-pros you were in the wrong place. I think one week in Sosua is a lot. You did not do a good job of planning. Everyone one on the site told you Sosua was not the place for semi pros. If your language skills are poor you are not finding semi pros in the Dr or Columbia. Not real clear what your expectation were but DR women are generally very attractive and Sosua has more then it share. Good luck to you but better planning will prevent wasting your time and money. I will be there next week and will have more 8 to 10's then I can handle.[/QUOTE]After reading his post, I am still unclear what he was looking for. Following strangers to unknown areas looking for it is showing poor judgement.

I'm always amazed when I hear looking for semi pros. That's like being a little pregnant. If they are in the game they are in the game, if they are not they are not.

He went to three cities there and could not find what he wanted. He is correct for going home early but he should have taken the Scary Negra to punish himself for wasting so much time and money. Maybe after that he can lower his standards a little and have some fun.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1862538]I'm always amazed when I hear looking for semi pros[/QUOTE]Semi pro. A chica that does not wake up every morning thinking she has to fuck someone and make money. She has a job or she manages life with what she has. Once in a while she has an urge or she needs a little more money, so she ventures out. I came to Santa Domingo, met a chica working in a cafe at Agora Mall via cupid, had good two hours. I met her at her work, 20 yrs, makes 9000 pesos a month, lives with parents, and when we went sin ropa, I can see she is not a pro getting pounded every night.

BTW, When I wrote the report, I expected replies like yours. That's cool. You only know what you know. Your reply or more nasty one is not going to change my review that the place is full of hardcore *****s, a lot of them are unfuckable, majority of those who are fuckable provide forgettable service. There may be some good ones, it depends on luck.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1862454]I will be there next week and will have more 8 to 10's then I can handle.[/QUOTE]Beauty is in the eye of the monger. One man's eight (8) is another man's six (6). I thought is was a man law: "No man ought to be telling another man the type of women he should be attracted too". Of course I'm speaking from the viewpoint of a man that lives in Santo Domingo and has nothing but 8 - 10 non pros in his harem. But to each their own.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1862538]I'm always amazed when I hear looking for semi pros. That's like being a little pregnant. If they are in the game they are in the game, if they are not they are not.[/QUOTE]I'm always amazed at the attitude of mongers who think every women in the DR is in the game if they take money for sex. That shows a lack of specific cultural knowledge. Pay by the hour (ST), pay by the night (TLN), pay by the day or week (semi-pro), pay by the month (novia), or pay for life (esposa).

It's always all about the motherfucking money only because that is what you want and what YOU are looking for.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1862158]I have spent two weeks in Santiago, PP and Sosua. My plan was to spend a month, that means two more weeks. I am cutting short my time, taking Metro to Santa Domingo, and getting a flight out of here to Medelland.

The drinks, food, playa, hotel is all good. Too much hard work for getting semi-pros, the quality of point and click chicas is not to my liking. I would walk the streets up and down, find a table and have few drinks, light up a cigar while watching the scene, step into Rumbas, looking 100's of chicas every night, telling myself not to keep high standards to choose chicas, even then I will go back to my hotel solo.

There were two gems, and I enjoyed their company a lot, we are talking two over a period of 14 days. I tried everything possible, online apps to taking help from local guys, even accompanying a casino worker at 1 am on a 30 peso taxi ride to Montellano, and then a motochoco ride at that hour into a hood I have no knowledge of, in search of quality. And I can go on listing more. So I tried everything I could. It did not work for me. A German guy was shot and killed few weeks back, and a Canadian guy was killed this week. While I had felt safe so far, can't help thinking my adventures in search of quality will take me to trouble. So I asked myself why the hell can't I fuck all these easy chicas that show up. Went back on the street last night with an open mind, and still could not take it. There were three real good ones, when approached they said no ID. Out of the blue a really scary looking negra shows up, veterans have to know her, I can not forget this scarry face, thin one, short hair, has no bums for a negra, and she holds my hand and asks whether I am interested. Eureka moment. Has my life become that bad I am so desparate to stand on this god damn street and be approached by this filthy pig. I am sorry to call her that way, that is exactly how I felt so writing it here.

I did see a bunch of black guys from Texas having good time. Other than these guys, all the rest were 99% older men. Perhaps at that time in my life there will be a different perspective and I will recommend Sosua to others.

Thank you to many of the bros on this site who helped me to plan the trip. Their help made my stay comfortable I must add.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your report Mr. Taboc. Your report supports what I've always felt about Sosua. I'm glad you wrote about what you saw and experienced. Thanks for keeping it real!

Tell me what you think. Eat your heart out guys. Her masturbation videos are off the chain. She is on the menu for my days in SD

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1862562]Thank you for your report Mr. Taboc. Your report supports what I've always felt about Sosua. I'm glad you wrote about what you saw and experienced. Thanks for keeping it real![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1862561]I'm always amazed at the attitude of mongers who think every women in the DR is in the game if they take money for sex. That shows a lack of specific cultural knowledge. Pay by the hour (ST), pay by the night (TLN), pay by the day or week (semi-pro), pay by the month (novia), or pay for life (esposa).

It's always all about the motherfucking money only because that is what you want and what YOU are looking for.[/QUOTE]I understand now. A Semi Pro is a girl that only will fuck you for money if she likes you and every girl that fucks you for money is not in the game. Some are just fucking you for money. Thank you for clearing that up for me Sub Cmdr.

Either way, if you are having fun there with some hot women, I'm happy for you. Enjoy the adventure.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1862561]I'm always amazed at the attitude of mongers who think every women in the DR is in the game if they take money for sex. That shows a lack of specific cultural knowledge. Pay by the hour (ST), pay by the night (TLN), pay by the day or week (semi-pro), pay by the month (novia), or pay for life (esposa).

It's always all about the motherfucking money only because that is what you want and what YOU are looking for.[/QUOTE]I understand now. A Semi Pro is a girl that only will fuck you for money if she likes you and every girl that fucks you for money is not in the game. Some are just fucking you for money. Thank you for clearing that up for me Sub Cmdr.

Either way, if you are having fun there with some hot women, I'm happy for you. Enjoy the adventure.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1862624]I understand now. A Semi Pro is a girl that only will fuck you for money if she likes you and every girl that fucks you for money is not in the game. Some are just fucking you for money. Thank you for clearing that up for me Sub Cmdr.

Either way, if you are having fun there with some hot women, I'm happy for you. Enjoy the adventure.[/QUOTE]Mr. TellAll,

Go ahead and keep fucking your chicas up there for money. After all that is why you go there instead of Santo Domingo where I operate. All you have to do is RTFF section on Santo Domingo and you would know that Santo Domingo requires a different skill set. I'm glad you are enjoying your women in the game. And although your interpretation of my words are incorrect, I appreciate your attempt at education. In the future, if you need any additional clarification from me, feel to read my section or contact me via PM. Because your lack of an informed reply shows that your are not only a TellAll but a KnowItAll. LOL!

Live long and may the pussy with you!

Since you felt so strongly about your reply you had to post it twice. I will respond twice.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1862615]I understand now.[/QUOTE]No you don't!

[QUOTE=TellAll;1862615]A Semi Pro is a girl that only will fuck you for money[/QUOTE]Incorrect answer Mr. TellAll. Taboc provided you with a definition.

"Semi pro: A chica that does not wake up every morning thinking she has to fuck someone and make money. She has a job or she manages life with what she has. Once in a while she has an urge or she needs a little more money, so she ventures out. ". Now that you have a definition. It should be clearer to you. And my post did not refer to semi pros, yours did. I spoke of non pros.

Some people buy Kia's others buy BMW's. The Kia owner will swear up and down their vehicle does the same thing as the BMW does. The BMW owner politely nods and asks if they would like to run a quarter mile on the local street track and put some real money on it.

You will have a hard time getting a semi pro to go to Sosua. Much in the same way we have gold diggers in the States semi pros are looking for economic benefits. They do a better job of satisfying you sexually because they want and expect you to come back. They select their clients with some care. Sometimes the relationships can evolve. The relationships can be mutually beneficial if you take the time. My problem now is I have gotten good at cultivating them and this cuts into my sport fucking which feels a different need. To the guys who believe they are all the same I say it is like comparing steak to Hamburger. Yep they are both beef.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1862661]Mr. TellAll,

Go ahead and keep fucking your chicas up there for money. After all that is why you go there instead of Santo Domingo where I operate. All you have to do is RTFF section on Santo Domingo and you would know that Santo Domingo requires a different skill set. I'm glad you are enjoying your women in the game. And although your interpretation of my words are incorrect, I appreciate your attempt at education. In the future, if you need any additional clarification from me, feel to read my section or contact me via PM. Because your lack of an informed reply shows that your are not only a TellAll but a KnowItAll. LOL!

Live long and may the pussy with you![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TellAll;1862615]I understand now. A Semi Pro is a girl that only will fuck you for money if she likes you and every girl that fucks you for money is not in the game. Some are just fucking you for money. Thank you for clearing that up for me Sub Cmdr.

Either way, if you are having fun there with some hot women, I'm happy for you. Enjoy the adventure.[/QUOTE]Every so often we have guys here getting into pissing contests.

That's OK, but when they start talking about "keeping it real", I start to laugh, and feel the need to chime in.

First of all Sosua is a brothel. Got it?

You are not "lovers", not a "harem keepers".

You are a regular customers of hookers. A john, a trick. You are no more in charge of the transaction than you are at McDonalds. You pay, they give. You go to McDonalds because you are hungry, you go to Sosua because you are needy.

The winner is always the one who ends up with the most money, that's McDonalds, it's the hookers, not you! They'll send you away until you bring them more money.

If all DR women are just beef, you are just a convenient ATM machine, and they play you like fiddles.

When you are Holding hands walking back to the hotel, past everybody she has just fucked all week, only a monger can watch without laughing out loud, because that was him earlier today.

As for your 10's.

If what gets posted here from time to time are 10's, you need to reshuffle the deck. Just post pictures, let the guys decide.

And those other know it all guys who have all the "game" they need to get it for free, whatever, but you need to be posting somewhere else, or just stay home with all that "game".

Coming out of a brothel claiming free sex is kinda weird.

So lets really keep it real, and remember that that the cute McDonalds server who smiles at you is not likely to be in love with you. If you don't pull out your cash fast enough, she'll stop smiling and call the cops.

This may upset some of the more egotistical among you, but I learned this a long time ago, and have more satisfactory reality based relationships, both long term and short.

Sosua is great, but cash is king, not you :)

And when you are bragging here about "cheap sex", don't forget to factor in that air fare and hotel bill, and maybe a week off work!

I do not know what the argument is about. We go to DR for sex. One way or another we pay for it. Once in a while we get lucky and meet a horny lady who does not want money. It is not a regular occurance but can happen. To say you go to DR with empty pocket hoping to score free is not going to work. To say every girl you meet is faithful to you and keep her legs closed waiting for you is just a myth. More so in Spanish culture than Asian culture. Asians in their defense can wait for sex long time. But each girl will get into bed with anybody anytime without regard to loyalty to one if she so chooses.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1862948]I do not know what the argument is about. We go to DR for sex. One way or another we pay for it. Once in a while we get lucky and meet a horny lady who does not want money. It is not a regular occurance but can happen. To say you go to DR with empty pocket hoping to score free is not going to work. To say every girl you meet is faithful to you and keep her legs closed waiting for you is just a myth. More so in Spanish culture than Asian culture. Asians in their defense can wait for sex long time. But each girl will get into bed with anybody anytime without regard to loyalty to one if she so chooses.[/QUOTE]No argument.

You are talking about the D.R. Everything you say is generally true.

I was talking about Sosua!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1862901]Every so often we have guys here getting into pissing contests.

That's OK, but when they start talking about "keeping it real", I start to laugh, and feel the need to chime in.

First of all Sosua is a brothel. Got it?

You are not "lovers", not a "harem keepers".

You are a regular customers of hookers. A john, a trick. You are no more in charge of the transaction than you are at McDonalds. You pay, they give. You go to McDonalds because you are hungry, you go to Sosua because you are needy.

The winner is always the one who ends up with the most money, that's McDonalds, it's the hookers, not you! They'll send you away until you bring them more money.

If all DR women are just beef, you are just a convenient ATM machine, and they play you like fiddles.

When you are Holding hands walking back to the hotel, past everybody she has just fucked all week, only a monger can watch without laughing out loud, because that was him earlier today.

As for your 10's.

If what gets posted here from time to time are 10's, you need to reshuffle the deck. Just post pictures, let the guys decide.

And those other know it all guys who have all the "game" they need to get it for free, whatever, but you need to be posting somewhere else, or just stay home with all that "game".

Coming out of a brothel claiming free sex is kinda weird.

So lets really keep it real, and remember that that the cute McDonalds server who smiles at you is not likely to be in love with you. If you don't pull out your cash fast enough, she'll stop smiling and call the cops.

This may upset some of the more egotistical among you, but I learned this a long time ago, and have more satisfactory reality based relationships, both long term and short.

Sosua is great, but cash is king, not you :)

And when you are bragging here about "cheap sex", don't forget to factor in that air fare and hotel bill, and maybe a week off work![/QUOTE]That sums it up nicely, Oakie.

Ego and attitude. Welcome to the internet, where every man can be a wealthy, well-endowed, hyper-masculine stud with the most beautiful women in the world paying for the pleasure of his company. Nobody has to be old, overweight, balding or dealing with everything from blotchy skin to erectile dysfunction.

This is the paradise all religions promise. Here toothless 50 year old, 500 peso putas from the malecon are reborn as flawless 18 year old virgins, trained in the arts of pleasure. Xanadu is just ahead, just carry your memories through the keyboard to the land of milk and honey.

We're all getting laid. That's what it boils down to. Some are getting laid in a nicer bed, some with younger women and some with prettier women, but in the end, we each only have our own experiences.

Some people understand that. They understand, while our experiences are personal, the knowledge we gain is universal. Right now, somewhere in the world, a billionaire is benefitting from the knowledge shared by some blue collar, middle class retiree. Some Indian is picking up tips from a Briton, while an Aussie is having a beer with the German who tipped him off to a good pickup spot.

If a stewardess or a banker came over last night and rocked your world, and brought a nice single malt and cigars for you, that's great. That's great, but who cares? Does it benefit anyone? Are you handing out phone numbers, or at least explaining how the average person (without internet enhanced looks, charm and income) can have the same experience, or are you just stroking your ego to overcome feelings of inadequacy?

There are a lot of folks here who have helped thousands, like me (old, out of shape, living on a budget and dealing with all the health issues of age). Thanks to them, when I can travel, finding the right hotels, restaurants and women is much easier. Thanks to them, avoiding the tricks, traps and dangers is possible. Thanks to them, anyone who does their research can have a successful and fulfilling trip.

These helpful contributers do 2 things that set them apart from the crowd:

1. Share. Want to know about a certain hotel? Someone has probably written a review to answer all your questions. Prices? Locations? Laws? Chances are good the information you need has already been shared.

2. Advise. Uncertain about where to go or what to do? Don't know if your plan is good? There are plenty of people who will attempt to put you on the right path. They'll also give you a swift kick if you're heading the wrong way.

Without all of these helpful people, ISG would fade away to be replaced by $19.99/ month pay site where people without knowledge pass on outdated information.

If you're one of the people helping (and Oakie is one of the many in that group), thank you and keep up the good work. If you're one of the silent majority, reading and benefitting from their knowledge, thank them and share what you've learned. In a short time people will be thanking you.

If all you're doing is waving your penis in everyone's face and shouting "I'm better than you", just stop. It's really not that big and not that impressive. Or just keep going. One of my hobbies is laughing at ridiculous people with over-inflated egos.

The discussion has taken a different shape. I said Sosua is a shit-hole, with 99.9% hardcore putas, it is my opinion, and stand by it, and for each person that said otherwise, there is someone sending a private message agreeing with me. They send a private message as one put it nicely, "I am tired of these mongers who slam any one who differ from their view point, that is why I do not post any more". They can slam all they want, misquote and twist the argument and turn into something else. At the end of the day, I want to make sure that those who are planning to go Sosua first time really know what is awaiting them.

Flight ticket from west coast - $600.

Taxi / Motochonco - $50 (return taxi to airport is arranged by talking to drivers that hang around across the road from Metro).

5 days hotel - $200 (Europa).

Food / drinks - $100 (taking into account there is a cost for eating / drinking at home too, also eating at local places as well as pico pollo and buying liquor from mercado).

5 chicas - $250.

Total - $1200.

Possible to bring it down to - $1000 (staying AirBnB or cheaper hotel, eating rice / beans, loading up in the hotel and drinking minimum in the bars).

Spend more at - $1400 (better hotel, paying more for chica and taking them for dinner, eating german / italian, higher quality cigar / liquor).

Is $1000/$1200 worth for 5 one-shot-sessions with below average quality chicas giving mechanical service, while you have to watch your back all the time? I do not think so.

If you have tolerance for quality, you like a nice playa, choice of good food and a party feel, then you will find it good for you.

One of my great joys at this stage of the Game for me is going to Sosua and sport fucking. While fucking hardcore girls can be fun usually I take the time to find the ones who are still a bit fresh. To those guys who think it is a shit hole no problem stay away please. There are scores of guys who can not wait to be serviced by the lovely ladies of Sosua. When I monger I am not looking for school teachers or nuns. I want someone who will suck my dick and say gracias when I pay her.

Sosua satisfies that requirement very well. When I am in Sosua I see a couple of hundred attractive young girls every night. The biggest problem I have deciding which one to bed. Taboc estimation on pricing are spot on his but his perspective on Sosua like mine is personal. I think everyone should experience and make up their own mines.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1863042]That sums it up nicely, Oakie..[/QUOTE]Thanks JjBee, you seem to have Sosua well figured out.

I didn't intend my post to be a knock against Sosua. I love the place!

It's just that some folks get carried away with their "conquests", and need to be reminded it is THEY who are being "conquered", LOL.

The problem is, that newbies, who read this stuff, start believing you can get a harem of 10's, who are honest, trustworthy, loyal and cheap and are there at your beck and call. This leads to the obvious disappointment when they get down there, and find they have to do quite a bit of searching, getting hit and miss experiences, and even getting ripped off.

That why we have a lot of them come here complaining that it was not up to it's reviews. They'll never go back. Sure maybe some of us have spent the money, taken the time (in my case 8 years) to get set up with a good regular or semi pro, but you can't build that kind of relationship with her and her family in just a week. Even some guys who live there don't always find a gem.

So, the beauty of Sosua is that if you spend a little money, no matter your age or shape or looks, you can have a beautiful young girl (by your standards) lying in your bed asking you to fuck her, within 30 minutes of landing at the airport.

It takes a little effort, if you are fussy, to find the RIGHT one, so you can either spend more money and try them all on for size, or you can save money, and have a little fun interviewing them. Don't be cheap, though, buy 'em a beer, or a slice of pizza, and don't take up too much of their time without buying, or you'll be marked with the "WOTA" across your forehead, that only putas can recognize. That can last all week!

(WOTA in puta language is "Waste of Time Asshole")

Now to your point about sharing, that's where the veterans who take the time to be helpful come in.

If a newbie does what I did 8 years ago, come here and filter out the good advice (we're lucky here, it's mostly good) maybe it can change your life like it did mine.

Peace & love y'all!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1862901]And those other know it all guys who have all the "game" they need to get it for free, whatever, but you need to be posting somewhere else, or just stay home with all that "game".

Coming out of a brothel claiming free sex is kinda weird.

So lets really keep it real, and remember that that the cute McDonalds server who smiles at you is not likely to be in love with you. If you don't pull out your cash fast enough, she'll stop smiling and call the cops.

This may upset some of the more egotistical among you, but I learned this a long time ago, and have more satisfactory reality based relationships, both long term and short.

Sosua is great, but cash is king, not you :)

And when you are bragging here about "cheap sex", don't forget to factor in that air fare and hotel bill, and maybe a week off work![/QUOTE]I do not understand why guys can't just live there lives and have fun. Who cares if you pay for pussy or not. In American you pay for pussy either way, I know so many guys getting half there pay checks gone due to Child Support and Alimony. All because of a nut. Live your live, there is not part 2, there is no sequel to the story of your life so live it to the fullest.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1863158]I do not understand why guys can't just live there lives and have fun. Who cares if you pay for pussy or not. In American you pay for pussy either way, I know so many guys getting half there pay checks gone due to Child Support and Alimony. All because of a nut. Live your live, there is not part 2, there is no sequel to the story of your life so live it to the fullest.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of something I posted several years ago, dealing with a conversation I once had with my boss. It went something like this:

Me: Boss, if you want to meet women you should go to the Dominican Republic.

Boss: But Boriman, you're paying for sex.

Me: Cheaper than a wife!

(five seconds of silence).

Boss: You got that right!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1862901]Every so often we have guys here getting into pissing contests.[/QUOTE]Yep, and it's pretty fucking boring to say the least!

How about some real (ass) ets.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1863199]Yep, and it's pretty fucking boring to say the least!

How about some real (ass) ets.[/QUOTE]Now that's walkin' the walk!

[QUOTE=Taboc;1863096]The discussion has taken a different shape. I said Sosua is a shit-hole, with 99.9% hardcore putas, it is my opinion, and stand by it, [/QUOTE]I do not know what your definition of a shit hole is. There is no doubt that it is 100% puta town but having been to puta towns across the globe (barring Brazil, a major contender), I dare say, Sosua is anything BUT a shit hole unless Putas automatically, in your definition make it a "shit hole" by association. I personally do not go to Sosua for women but the small town vibe, beach, walkable all over, great restaurants and women a whistle away practically all over the town, should one have the inclination, sure makes it anything but a "shit hole". Having stated that, I would also defend your right to call it a shit hole if you think so, logic notwithstanding.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1862901]Every so often we have guys here getting into pissing contests. That's OK, but when they start talking about "keeping it real", I start to laugh, and feel the need to chime in.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with the "reality" bit in your comments. In general, unless one is young, good looking, Spanish speaking and with great dance moves, it is all about money and the more you can flaunt it, the better the outcome is. This is true of Sosua (rain makers) or Santo Domingo (the clubs in Av Venezuela). Ascribing one's "success" to anything else is delusional for old goats like myself. And then there are the photos of "self assigned" 10's. Hmm!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1863199]Yep, and it's pretty fucking boring to say the least!

How about some real (ass) ets.[/QUOTE]You can always count on Tomjackin to get this shit back on track!

[QUOTE=Boriman;1863186]
Me: Boss, if you want to meet women you should go to the Dominican Republic.

Boss: But Boriman, you're paying for sex.

Me: Cheaper than a wife!

(five seconds of silence).

Boss: You got that right![/QUOTE]I would never have that conversation with my boss or any of my married coworkers. It just breeds resentment ("Here I am with a wife and kids, working my ass off paying down a mortgage and credit cards she continuously runs up, while this young whipper-snapper is living like a free man and traveling the world fucking beautiful women half his age.").

Everyday he sees you it will be a spit in the face because you are living a lifestyle he could only dream of. He'll find a way to fire you so that he is not reminded of this fact on a daily basis, and hire another "family man" who he can invite over to backyard barbecues where both their families can swap advice about where to find the best discounts for family vacations to Disneyland, hahaha!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1863520]I personally do not go to Sosua for women but the small town vibe, beach, walkable all over, great restaurants[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you on these. I will remember Sosua for.
+ very good playa
+ best Cannelloni filled with carne y ricotta I have eaten in the Caribbean with a glass of red
+ best massage at Kika, four hands with her partner was so good(Karina's massage was a dump)
+ all kinds of liquor(Choice of scotch even in a small mercado)
+ good dominican cigars(Cubans displayed in Europa checkin desk are fake)

I take the publico to Caberetti and chill on the beach with no one to bother me. Sometimes I take one of the local girls with me.

I love baileys pizza and fish both are my favorites.

Hanging out with bros. I enjoy talking with like minded guys from all over the world. On one trip I adopted a wing man from Denmark. We are still friends to this day.

The women. I almost never take hard core girls. I take my time and find girls who I like being with.

Classicos I know it is crowded as hell but the spectacle of a hundred gorgeous DR girls all available for 50 bucks leaves me speechless.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1863706]Totally agree with you on these. I will remember Sosua for.
+ very good playa
+ best Cannelloni filled with carne y ricotta I have eaten in the Caribbean with a glass of red
+ best massage at Kika, four hands with her partner was so good(Karina's massage was a dump)
+ all kinds of liquor(Choice of scotch even in a small mercado)
+ good dominican cigars(Cubans displayed in Europa checkin desk are fake)[/QUOTE]

Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?

[QUOTE=Taboc;1863706]Totally agree with you on these. I will remember Sosua for.
+ very good playa
+ best Cannelloni filled with carne y ricotta I have eaten in the Caribbean with a glass of red
+ best massage at Kika, four hands with her partner was so good(Karina's massage was a dump)
+ all kinds of liquor(Choice of scotch even in a small mercado)
+ good dominican cigars(Cubans displayed in Europa checkin desk are fake)[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

See?

It's not so bad, and it look like you have taken the next step in the Sosua enjoyment stakes, and followed JBee's advice already on sharing: "thank them and share what you've learned. In a short time people will be thanking you".

Here's another tip on maxing out your experience with the putas in Sosua. May sound like bullshit but it works, in fact it works with any service personnel or employee.

When you are discussing price, if you are too adamant, and win the argument,"not a cent more than 1,500" lets say, the puta will just hustle to get the job done and get you out of there, as fast as possible.

The trick is to imply, without actually promising, that you will pay more, if she sends you away satisfied. How much more? Depends on you and your pussy, mi amor. Now she's working for a little bonus. She might actually get fully undressed, LOL

Be careful though not to mention any amount other than the word more than "propina", or you might find she won't leave until you give her the amount she heard you mention.

It can be a little sticky if you are not careful, but you have to be on their level of game playing. Keeps you a little more in command. She may actually respect you more for your attitude, and it keeps the conversation going on a fun basis. "Are you happy, papi?"

Yeah, just keep sucking!

[QUOTE=MSClive;1863835]Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?[/QUOTE]$4 K and you are living quite well, you would be ballin' on that amount if you don't spend too much on housing, you mentioned a villa and that will set you back $1500. A month at least for a decent one. I spend less on housing,$500. A month and eat most of my meals in restaurants. My monthly expenditures are just under $3 K a month but I am single but then again I pay for my pussy and you will pay indirectly, hahaha. $6 K and you are living LARGE, real large.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1863637]I would never have that conversation with my boss or any of my married coworkers. It just breeds resentment...

He'll find a way to fire you...[/QUOTE]It depends on the job. Actually, my boss does not have the authority to fire me since I have strong job protections. Talking about screwing working girls is definitely not grounds for termination (at my job, anyway). He actually took it quite well and has never bothered me about this. As for resentment, yeah it happens. Over the years I talk less and less to guys who do not live this lifestyle. It is like a game and those who don't play it do not know the rules, think they know the rules, and make judgements based on it.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1863966]It depends on the job. Actually, my boss does not have the authority to fire me since I have strong job protections. Talking about screwing working girls is definitely not grounds for termination (at my job, anyway). [/QUOTE]Gotcha. I wasn't implying someone getting fired for talking about screwing working girls; just the resentment part it breeds and wanting to get you fired just because you remind them that you are living a lifestyle that is unattainable to them (coworkers who are married with children).

[QUOTE=Boriman;1863966]It depends on the job. Actually, my boss does not have the authority to fire me since I have strong job protections. Talking about screwing working girls is definitely not grounds for termination (at my job, anyway). He actually took it quite well and has never bothered me about this. As for resentment, yeah it happens. Over the years I talk less and less to guys who do not live this lifestyle. It is like a game and those who don't play it do not know the rules, think they know the rules, and make judgements based on it.[/QUOTE]Yes, it does depend on the job.

A friend (a former poster to this board) lost his job as a result.

His boss was crooked, and looking for an excuse anyway, but this provided him one.

To be accurate, the way the boss found out was by checking his work computer, where he found the BB website.

So, be careful. Discussing such things can give an employer ammunition to use against you should they choose to do so.

It does depend on the job and the boss involved.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1863835]Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?[/QUOTE]Noted Manizalez911's input to this question.

I also am curious about this subject, and in addition would be curious to hear input from the residents (M911 and Charles Pooter) on things like medical care, crime / security, etc.

Might be good material to start a new thread "Retirement / living in the DR. ".

[QUOTE=MSClive;1863835]Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?[/QUOTE]Here's my ballpark method of figuring cost of living. It gives a reasonable estimate.

30 (H+F+T+E)/ L.

H = average daily rate for a midrange hotel room.

F = average daily cost for 3 meals / person in local restaurants.

T = daily transportation costs.

E = entertainment expense, daily average.

L = lifestyle expectations. If you plan on a moderate lifestyle, comfort but minimal luxury, L=3. If you want luxury without extravagance, L=2. If you want to be the envy of the neighborhood, L=1.

Here's the tricky part. H, F, E and T are based on your standards. What levels of each are you happy with?

Using my standards, $50 for hotel, $25 for food $5 for transportation and $30 for entertainment, I get $1100, $1650 and $3300 per month.

Those numbers are low, but I don't need much. If possible, I prefer to walk or ride a bike. I don't need 3 chicas a day, 3 per week are fine, and I can feed and entertain myself.

To get your own estimate just figure your comfort zone. Figure car rental for a compact plus insurance, figure out the hotel you could comfortably spend 10 days at and add in the costs of the restaurants you would eat at on vacation. For entertainment figure what you do at home, not what you do on vacation.

In my research for cities to live in the future it's best for you to maybe spend a month living in different locations to develop a feel for what that city has to offer. Also I wouldn't take any advice from anyone who doesn't live there and only visits twice a year. Talk to expats living there and buy them a beer while you pick their minds on everything from transportation to health insurance.

I also wouldn't make a beach a priority because most places in the DR are within 90 minutes to a beach. The bigger cities offer better amenities like movie theaters, cultural events and better airports but you also get traffic and noise. The smaller Campo towns offer simple living and tranquility but might forsake common necessities like hot water.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1863978]Gotcha. I wasn't implying someone getting fired for talking about screwing working girls; just the resentment part it breeds and wanting to get you fired just because you remind them that you are living a lifestyle that is unattainable to them (coworkers who are married with children).[/QUOTE]I would not say it depends on the job. It depends on the people involved in the discussion. I do not think coworkers have any resentment or that the lifestyle is unattainable to them. I have coworkers whose wives do not mind them going places alone and I have other coworkers that I know are never going anywhere but they still like to hear about it. For them it is still a treat to hear stories even though they have no plans to do it themselves.

There is nothing cut and dry. It depends on the personalities of the people involved. There are people on this board who say they would never discuss mongering with people in their everyday circle. For me, my friends and family are laid back. As far as coworkers go, you should know who you can talk about what with. I can talk about having a lot of women or paying women with many females or males on my job, then with other people the subject may not be as appropriate. It is all in you and your audience. There is no one size fits all.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1863991]Yes, it does depend on the job.

A friend (a former poster to this board) lost his job as a result.

His boss was crooked, and looking for an excuse anyway, but this provided him one.

To be accurate, the way the boss found out was by checking his work computer, where he found the BB website.

So, be careful. Discussing such things can give an employer ammunition to use against you should they choose to do so.

It does depend on the job and the boss involved.[/QUOTE]So let me get this straight: your friend's boss checked his (your friend's) work computer and found the BB website? That doesn't sound to me like the boss was crooked, it sounds like your friend was sitting at work visiting mongering websites on company time. It doesn't matter if you have a Federal job or if you're a counter jockey at the local convenience store. If you're looking at adult-oriented sites on a work computer, you're practically begging for a pink slip. I think the real question is, what else did your friend have on his work computer? Apologies if I sound like I'm trolling.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1863835]Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?[/QUOTE]You can live very well for US $4,000. That would easily cover your above requirements. With US $6,000 you will have ample surplus disposable income. Be very careful that you are not ostentatious spending it. Be very tight with your money at first. If you are perceived as generous, everyone will want to feed at your trough.

Do you have a good health scheme that will transfer well to the DR?

Surprised you are thinking of retiring already. You are fresh out of college! Or do you propose to continue working online?

Why Cabarete? It is a tourist town, which means you could get better value elsewhere. My 3-bed apartment in Pto Pta costs US $250 per month. Would be double in Cabarete.

Do you expect to start a family?

This is all very sudden. Has your name surfaced in the Panama revelations? You may have David Cameron as a neighbor in the adjacent villa. He likes cricket.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1864131]You may have David Cameron as a neighbor in the adjacent villa. He likes cricket.[/QUOTE]I cracked up with Cameron at the adjacent villa story. By the way, public school boys, I thought were more into rugby than cricket? I am thinking of Tom Brown's School Days!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1864109]I would not say it depends on the job. It depends on the people involved in the discussion. I do not think coworkers have any resentment or that the lifestyle is unattainable to them. I have coworkers whose wives do not mind them going places alone and I have other coworkers that I know are never going anywhere but they still like to hear about it. For them it is still a treat to hear stories even though they have no plans to do it themselves.

There is nothing cut and dry. It depends on the personalities of the people involved. There are people on this board who say they would never discuss mongering with people in their everyday circle. For me, my friends and family are laid back. As far as coworkers go, you should know who you can talk about what with. I can talk about having a lot of women or paying women with many females or males on my job, then with other people the subject may not be as appropriate. It is all in you and your audience. There is no one size fits all.[/QUOTE]It may not depend on the job, but I think if you are working in fields like health care, education, law enforcement, any kind of public service, then you are on tricky territory as any casual remark might be interpreted as sexual harassment by someone who wanted to make life hard for you. Why take a risk? Also, although you may regard a coworker as dependable, you cannot be sure that they will not mention things you have said to third parties who might be less discreet. Additionally it is well to remember that sex may be a much more sensitive subject for many people who may have little or no experience of casual sex and can bring forth strong emotions or unwelcome arousal.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1864131]You can live very well for US $4,000. That would easily cover your above requirements. With US $6,000 you will have ample surplus disposable income. Be very careful that you are not ostentatious spending it. Be very tight with your money at first. If you are perceived as generous, everyone will want to feed at your trough.

Do you have a good health scheme that will transfer well to the DR?

Surprised you are thinking of retiring already. You are fresh out of college! Or do you propose to continue working online?

Why Cabarete? It is a tourist town, which means you could get better value elsewhere. My 3-bed apartment in Pto Pta costs US $250 per month. Would be double in Cabarete.

Do you expect to start a family?

This is all very sudden. Has your name surfaced in the Panama revelations? You may have David Cameron as a neighbor in the adjacent villa. He likes cricket.[/QUOTE]I would say that overall you can live more cheaply as a retiree in the DR than in the US for the same "lifestyle", and things like domestic help are much, much cheaper. However health care, as my learned colleague has pointed out is an area where expenses could add up. However you can buy health insurance in the DR relatively cheaply compared to the US.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1863901]Thanks for the info., See? It's not so bad, and it look like you have taken the next step in the Sosua enjoyment stakes, and followed JBee's advice already on sharing.
![/QUOTE]Ok, I can share more for what it is worth.

I saw two places to exchange currency in the airport, one was a rip off do not remember the name, they offered 40. Xx. Checking out the other place was a good move, the bank reservas guys gave me 45.60.

Converting all my $$$ to DOP was a wrong move as the tourist card guy takes only USD. So I had to go back, change pesos to USD for him.

I had found a driver's phone number over the net, he asked me to whatsapp him with details of my flight and my selfie. I offered him DOP500 prior to Europa, and he asked for DOP750 over text messages, I was good with that. If anyone wants his number, PM me and negotiate the cost with him ahead of time.

Took a scooter for $18 rent, waste of money, returned after first day as the motochoncos are plenty at the doorstep and 50 pesos to go anywhere.

Took a scroll around now that I have the scooter, and PClisante becomes one way so took a turn on Ayuntamiento and found Cabana Calypso. Checked it out and the guy asked for 500 pesos for the night, asked him to show rooms, they were all a dump, he then showed me one last room behind the building, it was very good, so took it. I thought for 10 bucks I do not have to chica proof my room, and also can bring as many chicas I want. Always looking for threesomes. Total waste as I could not find a chica to my liking and slept solo in Europa.

Kika massage was busy so went next door to Karinas. Karina has the older lady and a younger one with partial red hair. 600/400 for 1hr/30minute. Just one room, real dump. Towels are dirty. First got the younger one, she does not know shit about massage, threw her out and the older one came in, she was ok. I think both of them are hair/nail specialists pretending to be massagers. They said the owner gives good massage and she would be back in an hour. Kika is very good, 700/500 for 1hr/30minute. Best massage in a long time, she is as good as SFO china town. Her partner is not bad, not as good as kika(older).

As said earlier found a facebook gem from PP. We met after lunch, went to playa in the afternoon, first round in evening, drinks / dinner, second round in the night she has to go home late in the night with 2500. Repeated same with another gem from PP, met online, met her at La Sirena PP, she did not take money, bought her perfumes and clothing for 3500, repated the same, but she stayed overnight so third round next morning.

Otherwise I did not touch anyone else in the strip, saved money and spent that on good cigar, drinks and food.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1863835]Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?[/QUOTE]There are much better sites for this information that are populated by people who are interested in more than getting their dick off as many times as they can before wheels up.

I agree with the poster who said not take advice from people who only visit once or twice a year. In fact I will not offer you any advice about the places you mentioned. But do your homework about being in the country for an extended period of time and get that out of the way first. Going through that process alone will give you lots of insight about the challenges of living here.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1864273]Ok, I can share more for what it is worth.

I saw two places to exchange currency in the airport, one was a rip off do not remember the name, they offered 40. Xx. Checking out the other place was a good move, the bank reservas guys gave me 45.60.

Converting all my $$$ to DOP was a wrong move as the tourist card guy takes only USD. So I had to go back, change pesos to USD for him.

I had found a driver's phone number over the net, he asked me to whatsapp him with details of my flight and my selfie. I offered him DOP500 prior to Europa, and he asked for DOP750 over text messages, I was good with that. If anyone wants his number, PM me and negotiate the cost with him ahead of time.

Took a scooter for $18 rent, waste of money, returned after first day as the motochoncos are plenty at the doorstep and 50 pesos to go anywhere.

Took a scroll around now that I have the scooter, and PClisante becomes one way so took a turn on Ayuntamiento and found Cabana Calypso. Checked it out and the guy asked for 500 pesos for the night, asked him to show rooms, they were all a dump, he then showed me one last room behind the building, it was very good, so took it. I thought for 10 bucks I do not have to chica proof my room, and also can bring as many chicas I want. Always looking for threesomes. Total waste as I could not find a chica to my liking and slept solo in Europa.

Kika massage was busy so went next door to Karinas. Karina has the older lady and a younger one with partial red hair. 600/400 for 1hr/30minute. Just one room, real dump. Towels are dirty. First got the younger one, she does not know shit about massage, threw her out and the older one came in, she was ok. I think both of them are hair/nail specialists pretending to be massagers. They said the owner gives good massage and she would be back in an hour. Kika is very good, 700/500 for 1hr/30minute. Best massage in a long time, she is as good as SFO china town. Her partner is not bad, not as good as kika(older).

As said earlier found a facebook gem from PP. We met after lunch, went to playa in the afternoon, first round in evening, drinks / dinner, second round in the night she has to go home late in the night with 2500. Repeated same with another gem from PP, met online, met her at La Sirena PP, she did not take money, bought her perfumes and clothing for 3500, repated the same, but she stayed overnight so third round next morning.

Otherwise I did not touch anyone else in the strip, saved money and spent that on good cigar, drinks and food.[/QUOTE]Mr. Taboc,

Great information. By saying "don't believe the hype", that makes your a heretic here. You got the reaction I expected from the true believers. They will take another trip to Sosua. Bust a nut in a chica. Reconfirm their own beliefs. And post about it here.

Live long and may the pussy be with you!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1864131]You can live very well for US $4,000. That would easily cover your above requirements. With US $6,000 you will have ample surplus disposable income. Be very careful that you are not ostentatious spending it. Be very tight with your money at first. If you are perceived as generous, everyone will want to feed at your trough.

Do you have a good health scheme that will transfer well to the DR?

Surprised you are thinking of retiring already. You are fresh out of college! Or do you propose to continue working online?

Why Cabarete? It is a tourist town, which means you could get better value elsewhere. My 3-bed apartment in Pto Pta costs US $250 per month. Would be double in Cabarete.

Do you expect to start a family?

This is all very sudden. Has your name surfaced in the Panama revelations? You may have David Cameron as a neighbor in the adjacent villa. He likes cricket.[/QUOTE]Mr Pooter,

You are very generous. I am not as young as you think. I am entering midlife and thinking about retirement. Never too late to plan for that. But at least a decade away.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1863835]Folks,

Might decide to retire in DR. Some beach city not Santo Domingo etc. Question is how much income retirement do we need for a couple to live comfortably:

- 2 or 3 Bedroom condo or villa. Air conditioned rooms.

- maybe a used car: Toyota corolla or a smaller car. Not much driving.

- eating out in restaurants once a week.

Is a $4 k income a month enough? Or do we need to budget $6 k?[/QUOTE]I think 4 k will be more than enough to live very well there! DR1 is a better site for gathering retirement info! Cabarete is a more expensive area. However it's nice and you'll be around other expats. If you start there you can always find cheaper housing if you decide to. Good luck!

[QUOTE=Taboc;1864273]Ok, I can share more for what it is worth.[/QUOTE]Along with your previous post, a good report, and covers a lot of the practical questions visitors have.

Exchange, tourist cards, motos, airport taxi, massages and extra room for mongering, and Facebook contacts.

Your airport airport taxi is a good deal (the posted rates are $25.00 US, and that's what a lot of hotel taxis will ask).

Motos are marginally safer if you let someone else drive, and it's much less hassle. Pooter always advises to pick and older guy, he's managed to stay alive longer. LOL.

Massage info is good too. I never tried a massage down there, but am often tempted as I go by.

The old Caly hotel is a little off the beaten track for a mongering room. It's a long walk there, and a long walk back, and unless the puta is hot, and the weather not, you might change your mind on the way there. You can have a quicker better room for less right on the strip opposite Rumba. I once had three short sessions there in about 45 minutes. 2 were good.

(My very first afternoon, I once walked to the Caly with a puta who turned out to be a tranny, but that's another story, and I was a little drunk!

My Facebook page is flooded with chicas I don't know but look real good, so that's a new area I have never explored. I might try that. Maybe as "friends of friends" they may be more reliable?

Anyway, you sound like you could make a better trip happen next time, chica wise.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1864127]So let me get this straight: your friend's boss checked his (your friend's) work computer and found the BB website? That doesn't sound to me like the boss was crooked, it sounds like your friend was sitting at work visiting mongering websites on company time. It doesn't matter if you have a Federal job or if you're a counter jockey at the local convenience store. If you're looking at adult-oriented sites on a work computer, you're practically begging for a pink slip. I think the real question is, what else did your friend have on his work computer? Apologies if I sound like I'm trolling.[/QUOTE]Agree in part.

The boss was crooked in other respects, falsifying receipts, cheating clients, etc.

Was only looking for a way to get rid of the employee, with no obligation to pay workers compensation.

Agreed on the computer at work. The guy was a salesman and did most of his work out of the office, but I'm guessing he used the computer to book his reservations, etc.

In hindsight, a foolish move, but very common.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1864282]Mr. Taboc,

Great information. By saying "don't believe the hype", that makes your a heretic here. You got the reaction I expected from the true believers. They will take another trip to Sosua. Bust a nut in a chica. Reconfirm their own beliefs. And post about it here.

Live long and may the pussy be with you![/QUOTE]Gracias señor. Enjoy SDO, keep adding more to your harem.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1864302]I am entering midlife and thinking about retirement. Never too late to plan for that. But at least a decade away.[/QUOTE]Are you going to retire in DR in a decade from now and asking whether $4000 is enough at that time? I was only there two weeks, so my estimates could not be accurate, but given you are looking at costing on a theoretical level, here is my estimation. It is on higher end intentionally. I do have big questions on the security, the only available option of P4P and quality.

The AirBnB place I stayed with a large pool, 24 HR security, spacious one bed room, within less than a mile to all things important is going for $500 a month for rent.

An experienced cook told me he earns $450 a month, so if you have someone to cook for you every alternate day the cook should be $350 and groceries $250 making it $600. I am on the higher end as a pound of chicken / meat is only $3/$4 if my memory is right. For drinks, I would add $250 assuming you have taste for something higher end.

I think 10 chica sessions a month is realistic, so I would say $500, plus four sessions of once a week all nighter for $400. I realize 14 sessions every month is a lot, but then fuck it, there is one life to live.

I was told by the pharmacy lady in the metro bus terminal pharmacy, $250 a month can get good medical insurance. One of the young fellow I met in the playa was petrified that he might catch something as he had got first BJ without condom from a chica. I told him not to worry, and he was all upset, so took him to the pharmacy asked him to get a shot of ceftriazone. The pharmacist asked for 600 pesos. I thought it was quite high, may be gringo cost. I am saying this as the medicine cost does not seem to be cheaper.

So, apartment $500, food $600, drinks $250, chicas $900, healthcare $250 is $2500. Add another $500 make it $3000 and live a great life. I am very positive good life can be had for half the cost too at $1500 if you are accepting dominican standards.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1864456]Agree in part.

The boss was crooked in other respects, falsifying receipts, cheating clients, etc.

Was only looking for a way to get rid of the employee, with no obligation to pay workers compensation.

Agreed on the computer at work. The guy was a salesman and did most of his work out of the office, but I'm guessing he used the computer to book his reservations, etc.

In hindsight, a foolish move, but very common.[/QUOTE]Your friend is better off. If his old boss was indeed falsifying receipts and cheating clients, there's a good chance that business won't be in business much longer. Your friend will have the last laugh.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1864273]Otherwise I did not touch anyone else in the strip, saved money and spent that on good cigar, drinks and food.[/QUOTE]Looks like you are a food aficionado! I have not seen a place that within 2-3 walking blocks have, Italian, French, Austrian / German and English (ahem, fish and chips) food. To top it, the food is genuine, not the crappy food for example that passes for Italian in Little Italy in my town. This is because all these restaurants are run by the immigrants from those respective countries. So great food, excellent beverages to accompany it (though I am not into Bacchus), followed by great desserts and genuine cappuccino or caffe' stretto and then a cigar! Ahhh, Paradise found! Well, did I mention women?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1864352]Anyway, you sound like you could make a better trip happen next time, chica wise.[/QUOTE]Yes, I will be back in DR at some point, not sure when. I will let you know ahead, if you are there, drinks will be on me. Charles sent me a good reply when I was planning for DR, I regret not taking him for a drink. I am looking into Eastern / Central Europe for the next trip, followed by Manila.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1864670]Yes, I will be back in DR at some point, not sure when. I will let you know ahead, if you are there, drinks will be on me. Charles sent me a good reply when I was planning for DR, I regret not taking him for a drink. I am looking into Eastern / Central Europe for the next trip, followed by Manila.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Look forward to those reports, too.

I'm getting geo-curious :)

[QUOTE=GringooFuk;1864818]HMM if you could rent house out at 500 a month after paying Estate agent that is a good contribution to the $3500.

Where did you find the Airbnb $500 a month places.[/QUOTE]My two cents (or two pence).

Go to airbnb dotcom.

Just type in your destination, time period, and you will get a variety of options to choose from.

Very interesting site for short term travelers, but I imagine most renters would be interested in long-term rentals as well.

[QUOTE=MSClive;1864302]... at least a decade away.[/QUOTE]Not a lot of point in discussing specific figures like 4000 or 6000, then. Or any of it, really.

Who knows what the economic / financial situation of the DR will be in 10 plus years? Only 13 years ago it was in collapse with the peso at 56 to the US dollar. Five years later when I first came it was 28 to the dollar. Now it is nearer 46 to the dollar.

I expect at least one worldwide recession within the next 10/12 years. How will that affect the DR and board members' planning? (Not that I personally will be affected, unless it arrives damned quick).

You are just fantasizing, MSClive, and I had admired you as a very hard-headed person. In ten plus years your dick may have dropped off. How would that affect your choice of retirement location?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1864896]Not a lot of point in discussing specific figures like 4000 or 6000, then. Or any of it, really.

Who knows what the economic / financial situation of the DR will be in 10 plus years? Only 13 years ago it was in collapse with the peso at 56 to the US dollar. Five years later when I first came it was 28 to the dollar. Now it is nearer 46 to the dollar.

I expect at least one worldwide recession within the next 10/12 years. How will that affect the DR and board members' planning? (Not that I personally will be affected, unless it arrives damned quick).

You are just fantasizing, MSClive, and I had admired you as a very hard-headed person. In ten plus years your dick may have dropped off. How would that affect your choice of retirement location?[/QUOTE]LOL Just one bad puta experience or a bad meal can put the idea of retiring in Sosua away for good.

It's too small a town to be avoiding people.

[QUOTE=GringooFuk;1864818]Where did you find the Airbnb $500 a month places.[/QUOTE]I used Airbnb to rent it by day. View from apartment attached.

The real estate agent said $500/ month. I do not know her, just said Hello, that's all. We then communicated via email, she sent me photos. If interested PM me, I will give her contact info.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1865076]I used Airbnb to rent it by day. View from apartment attached.

The real estate agent said $500/ month. I do not know her, just said Hello, that's all. We then communicated via email, she sent me photos. If interested PM me, I will give her contact info.[/QUOTE]Renting an apartment for $500. A month is easy, plenty to be had for that price and less but if I'm not mistaken you originally said a villa which is a horse of a different color, you aren't getting a villa for $500. A month.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1865349]Renting an apartment for $500. A month is easy, plenty to be had for that price and less but if I'm not mistaken you originally said a villa which is a horse of a different color, you aren't getting a villa for $500. A month.[/QUOTE]Why would a lone wolf need a villa in Sosua? Never knew anything about villas, so did not refer to them in my posts.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1865498]Why would a lone wolf need a villa in Sosua? Never knew anything about villas, so did not refer to them in my posts.[/QUOTE]I qualified my statement by saying that "I could be wrong" and I apparently was, no big deal.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1865498]Why would a lone wolf need a villa in Sosua? Never knew anything about villas, so did not refer to them in my posts.[/QUOTE]This is some quoting confusion. MSClive talked about renting a villa for him and I assume his wife. You just got dragged in because of your recent AirBnB rental and the ensuing exchange.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1864909]

It's too small a town to be avoiding people.[/QUOTE]New guys take note of this comment and act right.

[QUOTE=GringooFuk;1864818]HMM if you could rent house out at 500 a month after paying Estate agent that is a good contribution to the $3500.

Where did you find the Airbnb $500 a month places.[/QUOTE]Here is where the confusion lies. The rental mentioned was a condo / apartment, likely a one bedroom, in very nice conditions.

Renting a house for $500 US a month is possible, but much would be much simpler, without the amenities.

Example, in Santiago, 3 BR, 2 BA apartments are available for about $250 US a month (unfurnished) with Dominican (questionable) management.

But this is with occasional water and power outages. You would learn about "inversores" or large household batteries, to cover some power needs during an outage.

A good reason to get familiar with an area, and learn about reliability of electricity, water, etc.

The key to rentals in DR is management.

Service is often poor, and landlords can be foolish, driving away tenants with poor maintenance, etc.

I looked at airbnb and found houses and villas ranging from about $600 US to over $2000 US.

Suggest you go to airbnb website, query Puerto Plata, and enter a multi-month stay so see what is available and the monthly rent.

Try it for a vacation sometime, to see the area, property market, etc, and you can talk with owners to see if a long-term rental might get a special rate.

Would also suggest you look at various locations, not just Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1865566]Here is where the confusion lies. The rental mentioned was a condo / apartment, likely a one bedroom, in very nice conditions.

Renting a house for $500 US a month is possible, but much would be much simpler, without the amenities.

Example, in Santiago, 3 BR, 2 BA apartments are available for about $250 US a month (unfurnished) with Dominican (questionable) management.

But this is with occasional water and power outages. You would learn about "inversores" or large household batteries, to cover some power needs during an outage.

A good reason to get familiar with an area, and learn about reliability of electricity, water, etc.

The key to rentals in DR is management.

Service is often poor, and landlords can be foolish, driving away tenants with poor maintenance, etc.

I looked at airbnb and found houses and villas ranging from about $600 US to over $2000 US.

Suggest you go to airbnb website, query Puerto Plata, and enter a multi-month stay so see what is available and the monthly rent.

Try it for a vacation sometime, to see the area, property market, etc, and you can talk with owners to see if a long-term rental might get a special rate.

Would also suggest you look at various locations, not just Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]In my eyes there is a difference between a house and a villa. I lived in a huge 3 bedroom two bathroom house in Puerto Plata for $275. A month, not the same as a villa in Casa Linda and the prices are reflective of the difference.

On my way to the pussy Mecca. I have noticed that the guys are getting younger. The word is out and that may not be good. Young guys tend to me more cocky and reckless. This can be a turn off for older gentlemen like my self. I have read reports from people who are tured off by the hip hop culture. It is quite alien to me but I wear a belt. Some guys from work are putting together a trip in September. You could not pay me to go.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1865828]On my way to the pussy Mecca.[/QUOTE]Have a good one. I am sure someone has to do something real stupid to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off, you have been very helpful in sharing thoughts while I planned for the trip, and quite candid in your responses.

When I was there, I saw the mismatch. There were about 80% at 50+ age group, less than 10% of younger guys and the rest looked like local dominicans. The older folks mostly took a seat in the bar, or on the roadside, had a drink and watched the scene. The younger guys were walking back and forth on the street, this one guy must have walked from end to end every 10 minutes. When he stopped to talk to same chicas, they would turn him around and push him to walk away, it was funny to watch. The young black guys were always on a group, some of them were young, but quite big. I will watch them to pick girls who are non-negras. There were these two thin girls, it took me 30 seconds to leave them as one did not have a cedula and other was so thin, I was afraid of being on her top. A while later I see these two walking with three really big black guys to cabana caly. My first thought was, wow these two young girls can take that pounding from three.

I bought drinks for one girl, and got to know her a bit. She is 20 and not bad at all. She went away with a younger black guy even though he offered her just 1000 pesos. Next day when I saw her, she told me that she really wanted to be with a big one. I told her the older folks will know how to treat her better. She agreed but said that most older guys are difficult for her, in her mind older folks ask her to rim and other nasty things more than younger ones. The older guys need more time, younger ones are done fast and she can get out fast. Two reasons of her reasons.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1866035]

I bought drinks for one girl, and got to know her a bit. She is 20 and not bad at all. She went away with a younger black guy even though he offered her just 1000 pesos. Next day when I saw her, she told me that she really wanted to be with a big one. I told her the older folks will know how to treat her better. She agreed but said that most older guys are difficult for her, in her mind older folks ask her to rim and other nasty things more than younger ones. The older guys need more time, younger ones are done fast and she can get out fast. Two reasons of her reasons.[/QUOTE]I had my wolf pack with me last month. A group of young guys in their mid and early twenties. Those guys we're very interested in getting the finest girl they can find and settling with just fellatio. A lot of their sessions were short. They heard me in a session and when I came out they were like. Gotdamn big homie you went in on that hoe!

Got to Casa cayana at 3:30 and started the swift process of losing my dam mind. I had an early flight so I got no sleep. What does a starving man do when you take him to Golden Coral. Casa Cayena is great so far. Accommodations and food all acceding my expectations. I have some experience in Sosua but I lost my mind last night. I had 4 sessions with 5 different girls. One session being a porn quality 3 some. The same girl was working the desk for the 1st 3 sessions. The look on her face was priceless. I admit I was out of control but I enjoyed myself.

Will chill a bit today. Going to Caberreti with Haitian girl I met on last trip for beach an lunch. I bought her a $40 used Samsung 2 tablet that she will love. My biggest issue now is the dumb grin on my face. Like Ferrel says in the song "I am happy".

Day 2 was a bit less tense. Started with a good breakfast and a trip to Caberreti for leisure time at the beach with my Haitian princess. Very laid back and relaxing. Charging the batteries from last night. Drinking lots of water trying get fluid to restore my leche level. Went back to the room and had a very good session but could not bust a nut. Took my girl to Baileys for pizza an sent her home.

My phone is being burned up by a massage girl who wants the phone she knows I bought for her. She is very talented and will not leave until she gets your leche. When 5 pm rolls around I take her call and she is in my room 15 minutes later. She loves her new BLU phone an shows me her appreciation. She finds my leche an cuddles with me for an hour an a half after the sex like a high school sweet heart. O ya she found the long lost leche.

She finishes and it is only 7 pm. Off to the streets. I run into some guys I know from previous trips. We drink a few beers and get caught up. One of my goals this trip was hit some Santiago girls. Walking into Rumbas I see a stunner. She is 35 but looks 25. She spoke great English and could dance like a dream. I discovered she had store bought breasts and a tummy tuck. So it is back t the room and the sex is great. It is now 12:30 an I am back out there got to get into Classicos. It is not as crowed as Friday night but it is still smoking. I found another Santiago girl slim and pretty. She would not leave the room until she got her leche. She had to really work hard. It was a real turn on as she begged "GIVE ME YOUR LECHE POPI".

Guys I was trying to slow it down a bit but failed miserably. 9 women in 2 days. Looks like I am going for the world record without really trying.NO Control but loving it.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1866744]
I found another Santiago girl slim and pretty.
[/QUOTE]Not sure you met the same chic. She is a bit tall for DR standards, blanca, smiling, long hair (not too much), thin and what will make her different from others is a small piercing on lower lip. She will say no, but insist on her ass, it is tight.

Gentlemen, I just returned from a trip to Sosua and Blackbeards. The Blackbeards portion was uneventful and a little boring. However, I have a Sosua story I would like to share. It was Thursday night around 9 or 10 pm and my third day in the city. I was in Rhumba having a presidente and checking out the view. I had a Few older chicas approach me and tell me how wild they are. I was like Meh. I gracefully declined. That's when I saw a cute little spinner.
She came up to me and we chatted for a moment. It was a bit too loud so we sat outside at one of the plastic tables. We shoot the shit. For a little, I buy her a drink. She starts asking me where my hotel is, if I want to go with her. I ask (mind you this is in Spanish) how much for a short time she says "1500". I was perplexed. I ask $1,500?? She says yes. I was like wow, that's less than other girls. She shrugs and I was like, well OK lets go. I figure for 1500, even if it was terrible what am I out? 30 $ Why not? Well we get back to Hotel New Garden. She hops in the Shower. For a really really long time. I mean like 30 minutes. When she gets out, she tells me to. Shower. Ok sure no problem. Keep in mind gentlemen, I chica proof my room before I even step out the door. Even in my pants pockets I have only enough. Pesos to cover my food and drink for an evening. I get out of the shower, and hop in bed with her. She jumps out and turns off every single light. It is pitch black. Gives a lack luster BBBJ, then on goes the rubber and rides for a little, then tells me to get on top. She basically star fished until I was done. Ok, all finished. I get up and rinse off in the shower. When I am done, she gets in and does another 15 minute shower. As she does it affords me the opportunity to go into my. Safe and pull out money for her. I didn't have a 500 bill so I figured. Well 2000 is fine. I figured it would make her happy.

I am dressed now, she leaves the bathroom dressed. I have the money on the dresser. She asks "for me?" I say yes. She looks at it and says. That's not enough. I said excuse me? She said, that she told me it was 4000 for a short time. My head nearly exploded! I called her a liar and told her I would have the police come here to remove her because she is trying to rob me. So I walked out of my room. She chased after me. I didn't stop until I got down to the front desk. I explained what happened to the security guard and guy at the front desk. When I said she wants 4000. He had that look on his face, like what the fuck? So that's when him and the security guard take over. The guy at reception tells me they will handle it. I said ok and walked back to my room. From the balcony I can see this lunatic fighting with the two of them for about 20 minutes. She finally leaves. When I see this, I feel bad and. Go down to the reception area and tell them how sorry I am, I even bring them both a cigar to apologize. That's when the crazy chica appears in the doorway and says. "When you leave this Hotel, I will be waiting and I am going to stab you". I rolled my eyes and just walked away from her. The security guard started to say something else to her and she walked away from him as he was talking. I knew the following morning I would be leaving for Blackbeards so it didn't really bother me. Next day I left for Blackbeards at about 11 am with no incident. Knowing Spanish usually avoids situations like this, but it was clear this chica was nuts. I must say however the staff at.
New Garden. WOW above and beyond my expectations! I would not stay anywhere else knowing that the staff at New Garden would have my back like that.

Jay, you should have just given her the 4000 pesos for short time. You don't want to have any problems down there. Besides, it is much cheaper than back home.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867255]Gentlemen, I just returned from a trip to Sosua and Blackbeards. The Blackbeards portion was uneventful and a little boring. However, I have a Sosua story I would like to share. It was Thursday night around 9 or 10 pm and my third day in the city. I was in Rhumba having a presidente and checking out the view. I had a Few older chicas approach me and tell me how wild they are. I was like Meh. I gracefully declined. That's when I saw a cute little spinner.
She came up to me and we chatted for a moment. It was a bit too loud so we sat outside at one of the plastic tables. We shoot the shit. For a little, I buy her a drink. She starts asking me where my hotel is, if I want to go with her. I ask (mind you this is in Spanish) how much for a short time she says "1500". I was perplexed. I ask $1,500?? She says yes. I was like wow, that's less than other girls. She shrugs and I was like, well OK lets go. I figure for 1500, even if it was terrible what am I out? 30 $ Why not? Well we get back to Hotel New Garden. She hops in the Shower. For a really really long time. I mean like 30 minutes. When she gets out, she tells me to. Shower. Ok sure no problem. Keep in mind gentlemen, I chica proof my room before I even step out the door. Even in my pants pockets I have only enough. Pesos to cover my food and drink for an evening. I get out of the shower, and hop in bed with her. She jumps out and turns off every single light. It is pitch black. Gives a lack luster BBBJ, then on goes the rubber and rides for a little, then tells me to get on top. She basically star fished until I was done. Ok, all finished. I get up and rinse off in the shower. When I am done, she gets in and does another 15 minute shower. As she does it affords me the opportunity to go into my. Safe and pull out money for her. I didn't have a 500 bill so I figured. Well 2000 is fine. I figured it would make her happy.

I am dressed now, she leaves the bathroom dressed. I have the money on the dresser. She asks "for me?" I say yes. She looks at it and says. That's not enough. I said excuse me? She said, that she told me it was 4000 for a short time. My head nearly exploded! I called her a liar and told her I would have the police come here to remove her because she is trying to rob me. So I walked out of my room. She chased after me. I didn't stop until I got down to the front desk. I explained what happened to the security guard and guy at the front desk. When I said she wants 4000. He had that look on his face, like what the fuck? So that's when him and the security guard take over. The guy at reception tells me they will handle it. I said ok and walked back to my room. From the balcony I can see this lunatic fighting with the two of them for about 20 minutes. She finally leaves. When I see this, I feel bad and. Go down to the reception area and tell them how sorry I am, I even bring them both a cigar to apologize. That's when the crazy chica appears in the doorway and says. "When you leave this Hotel, I will be waiting and I am going to stab you". I rolled my eyes and just walked away from her. The security guard started to say something else to her and she walked away from him as he was talking. I knew the following morning I would be leaving for Blackbeards so it didn't really bother me. Next day I left for Blackbeards at about 11 am with no incident. Knowing Spanish usually avoids situations like this, but it was clear this chica was nuts. I must say however the staff at.
New Garden. WOW above and beyond my expectations! I would not stay anywhere else knowing that the staff at New Garden would have my back like that.[/QUOTE]A cautionary tale indeed. Thanks for sharing. I'm sure you will be getting comments, so here's mine.

It started when you were obviously "perplexed" with her lowball quote. "Really? 1,500 ? They can read you like a book.

My only similar experience came when I couldn't resist taking a young absolute beauty off the street without even talking to her, and took her back to Terra Linda. My mistake was telling her, showing her really, that that was the best sex I had in a long time. I couldn't stop smiling about it.

But like in your situation, the guys at the hotel were great!

Tell them nothing important and show them nothing important. It's a shame, but hey, they are just hookers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867262]Jay, you should have just given her the 4000 pesos for short time. You don't want to have any problems down there. Besides, it is much cheaper than back home.[/QUOTE]In my mind, if I gave her 4000 pesos it would legitimize her scam and maybe she would do this again to another gringo. I felt that with my language skills and the numerous trips I have to the DR it was my duty to challenge this Chica.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1867263]A cautionary tale indeed. Thanks for sharing. I'm sure you will be getting comments, so here's mine.

It started when you were obviously "perplexed" with her lowball quote. "Really? 1,500 ? They can read you like a book.

My only similar experience came when I couldn't resist taking a young absolute beauty off the street without even talking to her, and took her back to Terra Linda. My mistake was telling her, showing her really, that that was the best sex I had in a long time. I couldn't stop smiling about it.

But like in your situation, the guys at the hotel were great!

Tell them nothing important and show them nothing important. It's a shame, but hey, they are just hookers.[/QUOTE]Yeah, when I run back through it in my mind I should have went with my gut and walked away. In the DR if something doesn't feel right, you should walk away. Well I will be away from the DR for a while. This last trip just didn't light my fuse the same as previous. I'll be heading to Colombia in 2 months so hopefully that will be a nice change of pace.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867271]In my mind, if I gave her 4000 pesos it would legitimize her scam and maybe she would do this again to another gringo. I felt that with my language skills and the numerous trips I have to the DR it was my duty to challenge this Chica.[/QUOTE]J Mr. E Is only kidding you. He knows damn well he would not have gave her 4000 pesos. Read his reports.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867255]Gentlemen, I just returned from a trip to Sosua and Blackbeards. The Blackbeards portion was uneventful and a little boring. However, I have a Sosua story I would like to share. It was Thursday night around 9 or 10 pm and my third day in the city. I was in Rhumba having a presidente and checking out the view. I had a Few older chicas approach me and tell me how wild they are. I was like Meh. I gracefully declined. That's when I saw a cute little spinner.
She came up to me and we chatted for a moment. It was a bit too loud so we sat outside at one of the plastic tables. We shoot the shit. For a little, I buy her a drink. She starts asking me where my hotel is, if I want to go with her. I ask (mind you this is in Spanish) how much for a short time she says "1500". I was perplexed. I ask $1,500?? She says yes. I was like wow, that's less than other girls. She shrugs and I was like, well OK lets go. I figure for 1500, even if it was terrible what am I out? 30 $ Why not? Well we get back to Hotel New Garden. She hops in the Shower. For a really really long time. I mean like 30 minutes. When she gets out, she tells me to. Shower. Ok sure no problem. Keep in mind gentlemen, I chica proof my room before I even step out the door. Even in my pants pockets I have only enough. Pesos to cover my food and drink for an evening. I get out of the shower, and hop in bed with her. She jumps out and turns off every single light. It is pitch black. Gives a lack luster BBBJ, then on goes the rubber and rides for a little, then tells me to get on top. She basically star fished until I was done. Ok, all finished. I get up and rinse off in the shower. When I am done, she gets in and does another 15 minute shower. As she does it affords me the opportunity to go into my. Safe and pull out money for her. I didn't have a 500 bill so I figured. Well 2000 is fine. I figured it would make her happy.

I am dressed now, she leaves the bathroom dressed. I have the money on the dresser. She asks "for me?" I say yes. She looks at it and says. That's not enough. I said excuse me? She said, that she told me it was 4000 for a short time. My head nearly exploded! I called her a liar and told her I would have the police come here to remove her because she is trying to rob me. So I walked out of my room. She chased after me. I didn't stop until I got down to the front desk. I explained what happened to the security guard and guy at the front desk. When I said she wants 4000. He had that look on his face, like what the fuck? So that's when him and the security guard take over. The guy at reception tells me they will handle it. I said ok and walked back to my room. From the balcony I can see this lunatic fighting with the two of them for about 20 minutes. She finally leaves. When I see this, I feel bad and. Go down to the reception area and tell them how sorry I am, I even bring them both a cigar to apologize. That's when the crazy chica appears in the doorway and says. "When you leave this Hotel, I will be waiting and I am going to stab you". I rolled my eyes and just walked away from her. The security guard started to say something else to her and she walked away from him as he was talking. I knew the following morning I would be leaving for Blackbeards so it didn't really bother me. Next day I left for Blackbeards at about 11 am with no incident. Knowing Spanish usually avoids situations like this, but it was clear this chica was nuts. I must say however the staff at.
New Garden. WOW above and beyond my expectations! I would not stay anywhere else knowing that the staff at New Garden would have my back like that.[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience in February. A chica agreed to a bbbbj then reneged in the room. I told her to get dressed. She wanted to be paid for her time. But I was angry and didn't give her anything since we hadn't had sex. She pulled the TV down on her way out and said she would kill me. She drives a black car and usually wears an arm brace. The changing story in the room is becoming common in sosua, but I don't like the threats of violence. I'm already booked for May. After that, I'm giving the DR a break. Glad you made out OK bro!

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867271]In my mind, if I gave her 4000 pesos it would legitimize her scam and maybe she would do this again to another gringo. I felt that with my language skills and the numerous trips I have to the DR it was my duty to challenge this Chica.[/QUOTE]You know, you are using the same argument that this poster used to use, to explain why he "would never" give in to puta's demands, on principle alone. LOL.

I got crucified by the same crowd for giving her an extra 12 bucks to get rid of her and stop all the drama.

I hope this guy has the balls to explain his sudden "epiphany" LOL.

How about it Mr Enternational ? :)

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867273]Yeah, when I run back through it in my mind I should have went with my gut and walked away. In the DR if something doesn't feel right, you should walk away. Well I will be away from the DR for a while. This last trip just didn't light my fuse the same as previous. I'll be heading to Colombia in 2 months so hopefully that will be a nice change of pace.[/QUOTE]Don't tar Sosua with one bad experience.

But what has happened to Sosua, is that it has changed over the last few years, from an Island fantasy paradise, where you could get a beautiful girl that didn't want to leave you, and wanted to be everything for you, to a crass, commercial, quick, bait and switch hooker haven.

Mr GoGo (see his forum) warned me about this, and I had to be dragged, kicking and screaming to reality.

(Fortunately I retained a relationship with an ex semi pro who I met back in the salad days and who remembers Sosua like I do :)

As Mr GG says, there's still a lot of good stuff in the D.R., outside of Sosua.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1867354]Don't tar Sosua with one bad experience.

But what has happened to Sosua, is that it has changed over the last few years, from an Island fantasy paradise, where you could get a beautiful girl that didn't want to leave you, and wanted to be everything for you, to a crass, commercial, quick, bait and switch hooker haven.

Mr GoGo (see his forum) warned me about this, and I had to be dragged, kicking and screaming to reality.

(Fortunately I retained a relationship with an ex semi pro who I met back in the salad days and who remembers Sosua like I do :)

As Mr GG says, there's still a lot of good stuff in the D.R., outside of Sosua.[/QUOTE]This little incident had nothing to do with why I am not going back. I am just simply a little bored of it. That's why I am headed to Colombia in 2 months, I needed a change of scenery.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867375]This little incident had nothing to do with why I am not going back. I am just simply a little bored of it. That's why I am headed to Colombia in 2 months, I needed a change of scenery.[/QUOTE]After approximately 20 consecutive trips to the DR I'm ready for a change of pace as well. Mr. GG and BBQ ribs have been telling me for a long time to move on. But I was happy in my little tropical playground. Sigh LOL. But I'll be in cartagena in July dogg! Where in Colombia are you headed?

[QUOTE=BrotherP;1867385]After approximately 20 consecutive trips to the DR I'm ready for a change of pace as well. Mr. GG and BBQ ribs have been telling me for a long time to move on. But I was happy in my little tropical playground. Sigh LOL. But I'll be in cartagena in July dogg! Where in Colombia are you headed?[/QUOTE]I'll be in Medellin in June.

For New Garden this is business as usual. This happens all the time and they know how to deal with it. It is, regrettably, the most common scam played on us. When it comes time to pay chicas I get dressed and walk out of the room. Once they are outside I close the door behind them and pay up. When they start to argue I just walk away. If they follow I go to security and complain and it is in their hands. I just walk out into the streets or back into my room. If you are really generous tip security for their help. The chicas forget in two or three days, and even if she wanted to fulfill her threat we all have to go home sometime and not bump into her for a while.

Now if they do not leave the room just try to convince them or call security to escort them out.

I just had a similar experience. I asked for BBBJ for DOP 500. Well, we did so much in bed that I was willing to pay her DOP 1500. Well, sure enough, she jumped to DOP 2000. I refused and she continued arguing. Well, got dressed, walked to the door, waited outside to give her her money. She threatened not to leave the room, all this time having doubts whether I was going to pay her asking price. Once out of the room, I closed the door, paid her, and she begins to argue. I walk away, argument over. I did give her DOP 1600. Probably the only mistake I made. All this is unfortunate considering that she was fantastic in bed. If it wasn't for this misunderstanding I would do her again. Iron ally, she has been trying very hard to get my attention, for the last several days. I just ignore her.

As for hotels, there are only so many of them in Sosua. For each hotel she is banned from she will be losing money. In the long run she is only hurting herself and will have to move on since, pulling this stunt, no one will allow her through the gate. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867262]Jay, you should have just given her the 4000 pesos for short time. You don't want to have any problems down there. Besides, it is much cheaper than back home.[/QUOTE]I'm actually surprised you recommended he cave Mr. E. Had he done so, she probably would have pull the same shit on you and your boy when you rolled into town, as well as the next unsuspecting gringo who she feels will give her the money because he doesn't want to cause any trouble.

Reading that actually made my blood boil. Had she told me 1500 beforehand and then 4000 afterwards, I probably would have been arrested for tossing her ass over the balcony.

EDIT: GrownMan pointed out the sarcasm in your post. And I should have known better, hahaha. I believe you would have been insulted that she even quoted you 1500!

We are all different, and have different risk levels we can deal with. Our physical strength, ability to deal with adversity and in some cases trading punches is different. So what works for someone may not work for another.

Enjoy and go home safe. This guy was walking on PP Malecon early this year 2016 with his wife. He was wearing gold chain and two guys wanted that. He held on to it, poor soul, RIP.

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Chica situation is different. He should not have displayed a gold chain. I get that. Just want you to know what can happen in a shit hole of a place.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1867553]We are all different, and have different risk levels we can deal with. Our physical strength, ability to deal with adversity and in some cases trading punches is different. So what works for someone may not work for another.

[/QUOTE]You got it!

Some of us like peace and harmony on our hard earned vacations, while some like a little more excitement to get the adrenaline flowing. That's life.

A lot is said here about the bait and switch putas, and that is true, but there's also another side to at least some of these confrontations.

There's a popular hotel there where the manager arbitrarily filters out known "complainers", who get into more than their share of trouble with putas.

They find their reservations not being honored or sent up the street to another hotel.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867255]Gentlemen, I just returned from a trip to Sosua and Blackbeards. ... I ask $1,500?? She says yes..... Gives a lack luster BBBJ, then on goes the rubber and rides for a little, then tells me to get on top. She basically star fished until I was done. Ok, all finished.... From the balcony I can see this lunatic fighting with the two of them for about 20 minutes. She finally leaves. When I see this, I feel bad and. Go down to the reception area and tell them how sorry I am, I even bring them both a cigar to apologize. That's when the crazy chica appears in the doorway and says. "When you leave this Hotel, I will be waiting and I am going to stab you". ....[/QUOTE]Quite confusing. A chica saying something like that means either of two things: there was a genuine error where she said 4000 and you mistook for 1500 or she thought you agreed to an upsell in the room. She was much too adamant for a cheating chica. Anyway I'm here in MDE avoiding the SDQ dramas but for how much longer? There are hoards of Americans coming here now and who knows how much they may be negatively affecting the mentality of the Paisas. I've started looking for a new destination. El Salvador? One less Yankee in MDE.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1867821]Quite confusing. A chica saying something like that means either of two things: there was a genuine error where she said 4000 and you mistook for 1500 or she thought you agreed to an upsell in the room. She was much too adamant for a cheating chica. Anyway I'm here in MDE avoiding the SDQ dramas but for how much longer? There are hoards of Americans coming here now and who knows how much they may be negatively affecting the mentality of the Paisas. I've started looking for a new destination. El Salvador? One less Yankee in MDE.[/QUOTE]No, when she saw how happy and surprised he was at the 1500 peso price, she realized she under-valued herself. She knew he had already paid more and she was willing to go "all in" on this guy. She stayed in the bathroom thirty minutes to strengthen her case that she had put in time for extra duties to security. She would lose face in the beauty salon when other girls were bragging about getting double what she got. I still don't know why he went back down to security to watch the argument after he was dismissed. I can only guess that he is really a nice dude but maybe also the girl saw weakness and decided to exploit it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1867821]Quite confusing. A chica saying something like that means either of two things: there was a genuine error where she said 4000 and you mistook for 1500 or she thought you agreed to an upsell in the room. She was much too adamant for a cheating chica. [/QUOTE]It is not confusing at all. That is how they run their game. You are supposed to be adamant when you are trying to hustle someone. Just like when the girl agreed to 1500 all night with me. Then in the morning she changed it to 2500. When I was explaining it to the maid in her presence she changed once again to 3500. So when the police came, which she wanted, the maid was a witness that she went from saying 2500 to 3500. So she painted her own picture as a liar. Plus she said I didn't give her any money and the maid went in the room and found the 1500 that I had given her (before she started tussling with me) on the bed.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1867934]It is not confusing at all. That is how they run their game. You are supposed to be adamant when you are trying to hustle someone. Just like when the girl agreed to 1500 all night with me. Then in the morning she changed it to 2500. When I was explaining it to the maid in her presence she changed once again to 3500. So when the police came, which she wanted, the maid was a witness that she went from saying 2500 to 3500. So she painted her own picture as a liar. Plus she said I didn't give her any money and the maid went in the room and found the 1500 that I had given her (before she started tussling with me) on the bed.[/QUOTE]I have hobbyed in over forty countries. I have been hobbying in the Caribbean for over forty years and find Caribbean women to be the most dangerous of all. I have been hustled in a myriad of ways by chicas. Of course they are adamant when they are trying to cheat you but for a chica to be cheating and to threaten to kill when she does not succeed just seems a bit too much to me. She totally lost her head and jeopardized her chances of ever escorting another John to that very popular hotel in the future, only an insane person would do that knowing that they are in the wrong and from everything else that he said about her she does not seem mad. There may be more to this story.

I had a great trip. I think my actions were prompted by the fact I only had three days. I did 13 girls in the 3 days. Only one of the sessions was sub par. I had to have my manicure girl who had great tits. All the others sessions were off the chain. I used massages to get the girls in the mood. I got great reviews from the ladies and giving massages turns me on so I am ready to rumble. I got into a pattern of having my 1st girl at 1 pm another at 6 pm another from Rumbas about 10 pm and finally the night cap 2:30 Classicos. I did not bust a nut at every session but I was able to get hard on and have satisfying sex with the ladies. My form improved with practice and I felt I was bringing it like a big boy. I go to the gym 4 days a week. I use oil for the massages and lube during the sex. If the girls like to smoke they melt during the massage.

And about half do. They melt when they get the massage. I had a nice variety of girls. A first for me was Santiago chicas. All three of them were excellent. I had my 1st sub par Haitian girl. I picked her up for a morning massage for me and she pushed for sex . was not good.
The bottom line for the money spent I had an amazing time. Finally shot out to casa Cayana or Sosua Sunset. Accomodations , food and location all 10s. I enjoyed talking with the guys at breakfast. Sosua is not broke fellows. It is alive and well. I was seeing many younger guys patroling the streets but it is their time.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1867984]I have hobbyed in over forty countries. I have been hobbying in the Caribbean for over forty years and find Caribbean women to be the most dangerous of all. I have been hustled in a myriad of ways by chicas. Of course they are adamant when they are trying to cheat you but for a chica to be cheating and to threaten to kill when she does not succeed just seems a bit too much to me. She totally lost her head and jeopardized her chances of ever escorting another John to that very popular hotel in the future, only an insane person would do that knowing that they are in the wrong and from everything else that he said about her she does not seem mad. There may be more to this story.[/QUOTE]Mongering is not for the faint of heart. At its worst, it's the only human activity where you would bring a poverty stricken Third World complete stranger, off a sleazy street, bring them into your bed, and hope they don't rob you.

Hell's Angels, the Mafia, El Chapo and the cartel, it takes years, if ever, before they would even let you near them :)

But at its best, a few common sense precautions that you would use at home in your own city, and you can be completely safe.

The only time I got "gamed" in 8 years, was when I got stupid and didn't take my usual precautions. And even then it never escalated to anything more than a soap opera.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1867984]I have hobbyed in over forty countries. I have been hobbying in the Caribbean for over forty years and find Caribbean women to be the most dangerous of all. I have been hustled in a myriad of ways by chicas. Of course they are adamant when they are trying to cheat you but for a chica to be cheating and to threaten to kill when she does not succeed just seems a bit too much to me. She totally lost her head and jeopardized her chances of ever escorting another John to that very popular hotel in the future, only an insane person would do that knowing that they are in the wrong and from everything else that he said about her she does not seem mad. There may be more to this story.[/QUOTE]This story serves as a warning of what can go wrong, but I would agree that the death threats after the jig was up and the game over do not sound like a well-calculated game-playing move. Perhaps the chica was mentally unstable, perhaps there was a language miscommunication, perhaps she had drunk too much or was under the influence of soemthing, who knows? In another post today Old Kool relates that he had encounters with 13 chicas in three days and nearly all of them were excellent. As someone once said, (was it Jesus? Your mileage may differ according to how hard you put your foot down or what vehicle you select.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1867987]...... I did 13 girls in the 3 days......[/QUOTE]You d a man.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1867987]I had a great trip. I think my actions were prompted by the fact I only had three days. I did 13 girls in the 3 days. Only one of the sessions was sub par. I had to have my manicure girl who had great tits. All the others sessions were off the chain. I used massages to get the girls in the mood. I got great reviews from the ladies and giving massages turns me on so I am ready to rumble. I got into a pattern of having my 1st girl at 1 pm another at 6 pm another from Rumbas about 10 pm and finally the night cap 2:30 Classicos. I did not bust a nut at every session but I was able to get hard on and have satisfying sex with the ladies. My form improved with practice and I felt I was bringing it like a big boy. I go to the gym 4 days a week. I use oil for the massages and lube during the sex. If the girls like to smoke they melt during the massage.

And about half do. They melt when they get the massage. I had a nice variety of girls. A first for me was Santiago chicas. All three of them were excellent. I had my 1st sub par Haitian girl. I picked her up for a morning massage for me and she pushed for sex . was not good.
The bottom line for the money spent I had an amazing time. Finally shot out to casa Cayana or Sosua Sunset. Accomodations , food and location all 10s. I enjoyed talking with the guys at breakfast. Sosua is not broke fellows. It is alive and well. I was seeing many younger guys patroling the streets but it is their time.[/QUOTE]Good reporting Old Kool. That's what we love about Sosua; It brings out the little boy in the candy store mentality. Sometimes we lose ourselves but I'm coming to a point where it's about quality not quantity. If I have a good provider I will keep her on call and make memories but I have road dogs who say a girl gave them some of the best sex in their lives but never repeat. They spend the rest of their vacation having many girls of less talent, go figure. See, in my experience great sex is really appreciated as you get older and realize the hunt is really a crap shoot. So when you roll 7 and 11, smile and keep that good feeling because snake eyes are just a roll away.

Two great points from Oakie and Mr. G.

Mongers are not always right, there are some crazy guys out there who want to screw the chicas with cost, create trouble etc to the point hotels don't even give them rooms. It requires guts to say this in the forum, so good job Oakie to write this in a not so harsh way.

Mr. G's experience and intelligence was apparent when he nailed a point which everyone missed. The chica took shower for 30 minutes and then 15 minutes, so that she can tell everyone like security guys that she had spent too much time fucking and has to paid accordingly. I thought she took time because her accommodation had no shower but a bucket of water to shower. What Mr. G says makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1868294]Two great points from Oakie and Mr. G.

Mongers are not always right, there are some crazy guys out there who want to screw the chicas with cost, create trouble etc to the point hotels don't even give them rooms. It requires guts to say this in the forum, so good job Oakie to write this in a not so harsh way.

Mr. G's experience and intelligence was apparent when he nailed a point which everyone missed. The chica took shower for 30 minutes and then 15 minutes, so that she can tell everyone like security guys that she had spent too much time fucking and has to paid accordingly. I thought she took time because her accommodation had no shower but a bucket of water to shower. What Mr. G says makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]She is sitting on the toilet playing candy crush on Facebook with the shower running while he is laying in bed watching the clock. I would have went and got her after 10 minutes but the chic was running a scam and had her mark picket. We sometimes don't understand that while we are buying them a drink at the bar and doing our interview, they are also doing the same. By them asking " what hotel are you staying in? How many times have you been to the DR? And " when are you leaving?" They have already figured out their clientele and where they stand in this situation. Again, guys put these girls on your time and if they show impatience she most likely be impatient in the bedroom. Every vet has been in a situation that turns bad but the key is to evaluate every step and figure out if there were signs earlier that you bypassed.

[QUOTE=Taboc;1868294]Two great points from Oakie and Mr. G.

Mongers are not always right, there are some crazy guys out there who want to screw the chicas with cost, create trouble etc to the point hotels don't even give them rooms. It requires guts to say this in the forum, so good job Oakie to write this in a not so harsh way.

Mr. G's experience and intelligence was apparent when he nailed a point which everyone missed. The chica took shower for 30 minutes and then 15 minutes, so that she can tell everyone like security guys that she had spent too much time fucking and has to paid accordingly. I thought she took time because her accommodation had no shower but a bucket of water to shower. What Mr. G says makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]That is a good point. I am just curious, if a chica wastes a bunch of time. How would you handle it? It actually never crossed my mind what she was doing in there. The day before I was speaking with a fellow monger and he told me that some of the girls don't have hot water in their homes and when they take a shower at our hotel its a major luxury. I thought she just liked the hot water. LOL.

When we go to Sosua there are always about 5 girls we reject because we have something else on the hook. Every trip I have made I have left with regrets. I can say on this trip I left nothing on the bone. I am totally satisfied I am good for about 6 nonths.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1868245]You d a man.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1868324]That is a good point. I am just curious, if a chica wastes a bunch of time. How would you handle it? It actually never crossed my mind what she was doing in there. The day before I was speaking with a fellow monger and he told me that some of the girls don't have hot water in their homes and when they take a shower at our hotel its a major luxury. I thought she just liked the hot water. LOL.[/QUOTE]30 minutes in the bathroom and it never crossed your mind what she is doing? LOL. I would have checked after 10 minutes, Mr E would have kicked in the door after 90 seconds, and GM would have sold her some hair first. Most girls in Sosua are used to jumping into different hotels so hot water is no big deal. Tomjackin has the jacuzzi in his bathroom and Seahorse ranch has bathrooms the size of little houses, I can see a girl spending 20 minutes in those. But 30 minutes and you don't care? You ate a very considerate guy. Maybe it's back to what I said " She saw a nice guy and went all In".

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1868324]That is a good point. I am just curious, if a chica wastes a bunch of time. How would you handle it? It actually never crossed my mind what she was doing in there. The day before I was speaking with a fellow monger and he told me that some of the girls don't have hot water in their homes and when they take a shower at our hotel its a major luxury. I thought she just liked the hot water. LOL.[/QUOTE]If she's pushing to get to the room, that's maybe a problem. She wants a quick in and out to go pick her next target. Chances are you'll be hearing Leche, papi within 15 minutes.

If she's dragging her feet in the room, that's another problem. All she needs is a quick wash to get ready for the next guy. She's off the clock at that point, so unless she's trying to talk you into TLN, she's got a motive.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1868324]That is a good point. I am just curious, if a chica wastes a bunch of time. How would you handle it? It actually never crossed my mind what she was doing in there. The day before I was speaking with a fellow monger and he told me that some of the girls don't have hot water in their homes and when they take a shower at our hotel its a major luxury. I thought she just liked the hot water. LOL.[/QUOTE]A newbie is NOT going to time the shower. A veteran is going in the shower with her to wash her back.

It's easy to tell other guys what they should do, but when you are actually in the situation, invested and committed in money and time, and you are looking for some good lovin', you usually act as a restaurant patron, and see what's cookin and how it's cooked. If you rush into the kitchen as soon as you get into the place and start barking orders, you won't get satisfaction anyway.

Part of mongering, and it's not really a bad part is to do whatever you can to make a good outcome and not waste your money. Be nice to the server, because your immediate satisfaction is in her hands. As a matter of fact my rule that you should never have an argument with folks who prepare your food, goes double with those who share your body fluids.

If the sex is bad, (or if the steak is tough) don't try and school them, it is YOU who has made the bad choice, so learn and just move on.

You WILL get lucky more than often, in Sosua if you observe the basics, and OldKool is but one example.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1868324]The day before I was speaking with a fellow monger and he told me that some of the girls don't have hot water in their homes and when they take a shower at our hotel its a major luxury. I thought she just liked the hot water. LOL.[/QUOTE]No. They like to take showers with cold water, not hot. It has nothing to do with what they don't have at home. Get in the shower with one and you will see what I mean. Someone will have to be in the water first and the other person after. That is unless you like to shower in cold water too.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1868324]The day before I was speaking with a fellow monger and he told me that some of the girls don't have hot water in their homes and when they take a shower at our hotel its a major luxury.[/QUOTE]My experience has been and I'm not speaking of Sosua women, many would rather have shower without hot water while I shiver at the very thought. In a hot climate, regular water can be refreshing and hot water can scald if one is not used to fiddling with the controls. So at least in my experience, hot water is not a big intangible benefit but perhaps water flowing through a faucet without interruption is.

I use to try to take showers with the girls but like many have stated it is very difficult to get the water to a point where we are both comfortable. Hot water is a luxury in the DR. I try to take a shower before the girl gets there. I do not trust the girls in the room while I am in the shower.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1868528]My experience has been and I'm not speaking of Sosua women, many would rather have shower without hot water while I shiver at the very thought. In a hot climate, regular water can be refreshing and hot water can scald if one is not used to fiddling with the controls. So at least in my experience, hot water is not a big intangible benefit but perhaps water flowing through a faucet without interruption is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1868498]No. They like to take showers with cold water, not hot. It has nothing to do with what they don't have at home.[/QUOTE]Mr. E is correct, there's no correlation between hot water = luxury to be enjoyed. Girls I've taken to above-average all-inclusive resorts won't use the hot water either. Mr. GoGo's analysis is spot on. That girl is quite slick.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1868441]A newbie is NOT going to time the shower. A veteran is going in the shower with her to wash her back.[/QUOTE]And an unapologetic Sosua die-hard such as yours truly will HER wash MY back. And my sack. There's nothing better than a BBBJ teaser in the shower to get things started.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1868611]Mr. E is correct, there's no correlation between hot water = luxury to be enjoyed. Girls I've taken to above-average all-inclusive resorts won't use the hot water either. Mr. GoGo's analysis is spot on. That girl is quite slick.

And an unapologetic Sosua die-hard such as yours truly will HER wash MY back. And my sack. There's nothing better than a BBBJ teaser in the shower to get things started.[/QUOTE]I'm a big advocate of keeping a sense of humor about mongering. I can't imagine being cold stone sober in a hell hole like Sosua, so for me a steady diet of Presidente Lite keeps a nice buzz going, without impairing the judgement. They don't call it the "ultimate social lubricant" for nothing.

I mean, over a couple of beers with a stranger, you can get to know more about someone in 30 minutes, than in a year of polite conversation about the weather.

This shower business got me thinking about a fun time, when I first met my regular. I was new and she has this indescribable light chocolate smooth skin. She kept insisting that her papa was almost white, and seemed proud that some of her family were whiter than she was, and showed me pictures. I thought this was weird, until I gradually learned the culture. Generally the lighter skin you are, the higher up on the social ladder, and vice versa. Look at local TV, politicians etc. It's a perception, not worth a shit in my eyes, but it is all around, even the kids fought over the blond Barbie Dolls I used to bring as gifts, rather than the brunette darker ones.

Anyway I always told her about how I loved her beautiful skin. One time she was in the shower and I went in. It seems she was washing the henna coloring out of her hair, and the shower floor was running dark brown.

I grabbed her, pointed to the brown dye running off her skin, and said something like, you no negro, you are white, you lie to me, and pulled her naked out of the shower through the room and opened the door and threatened to throw her out. She was laughing and screaming at the same time and pointing to her hair, no, no!

She still tells that story for a laugh, and apparently, so do I.

Keep it fun guys!

(For the record, she likes hot water like I do)

Its an early bird special here in sosua. We are right here from Santo Domingo in 3 hours. Went to my spot Casa Angela. Got my favorite room rolled up 1 on the balcony. No need to rush this is Sosua anything on the block now will be there when I get there.

Hit the block about 10. Went up to Bourbon Street pretty nice set up. Ordered some dry ass chicken wings and fries. Watch The View. It's funny nothing really grabbed me. Some nice looking chicas around but I have a veterans eye now.

Back in my room solo. My boy courts 1 Off the Strip. It's nap time for me no snack I didn't even bother to go in Rumba.

Sosua is what Sosua is and I am enjoying it. It's easy to pick a sexy Chica for 2000-3000. The hard part is maximizing the possibility of good sexual and physical compatibility. I just got a deal for total. Anal included for 2000. Going to counter with 1500 don't stay all night and keep the Anal part.

OK we settled with 1000 for sex. If she is good sin condom no rushing and excellent head 1500.2000 and she can stay until the morning if she make me scream. She keeps trying to add anal.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1869116]OK we settled with 1000 for sex. If she is good sin condom no rushing and excellent head 1500.2000 and she can stay until the morning if she make me scream. She keeps trying to add anal.[/QUOTE]Sin condom in Sosua?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1869116]OK we settled with 1000 for sex. If she is good sin condom no rushing and excellent head 1500.2000 and she can stay until the morning if she make me scream. She keeps trying to add anal.[/QUOTE]In the news!

There's a guy in Sosua, who gets the chicas drunk, cuts off their hair and tries to sell it back to them.

The only clue we have, is that he doesn't like anal :(

Got here on time for dinner. Did not eat lunch hoping for the ratatouille and a slice of viande. Helas! They have dug up in front of the French restaurant which is now closed. Went to my second option, the Austrian schnitzel place. It is incredibly busy with women going back and forth all over the main street. My libido is down after the workout of the last few days and so I am at the balcony of the hotel, overlooking the pool at Voramar. So far it has been a nice experience, the hotel that is. , but the water from the faucet is brackish. Never had such an experience. Apparently Sosua has this going on for a few months while the country is in the throes of an election campaign.

They are a guy going around fucking girls with no condom paying them then taking their phone number and calling them later to let them know they now have Aids. This has been confirmed to be true about the guy having Aids because many of the ones he called are now positive. I know for a fact it stinks having sex with a condom but if you really like the girl you can take her and have her tested for 2000 pesos and know for sure in 2 days then if all is well all you have to worry about is getting her pregnant and most all of them would love that from a gringo.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1869479]They are a guy going around fucking girls with no condom paying them then taking their phone number and calling them later to let them know they now have Aids. This has been confirmed to be true about the guy having Aids because many of the ones he called are now positive. I know for a fact it stinks having sex with a condom but if you really like the girl you can take her and have her tested for 2000 pesos and know for sure in 2 days then if all is well all you have to worry about is getting her pregnant and most all of them would love that from a gringo.[/QUOTE]Theres a period of time, about 60 days I believe, where hiv can go undetected. Also, If she does another guy, after the test, and before the BBFS, its all out the window. Be careful. Risk / reward.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1869479]They are a guy going around fucking girls with no condom paying them then taking their phone number and calling them later to let them know they now have Aids. This has been confirmed to be true about the guy having Aids because many of the ones he called are now positive. I know for a fact it stinks having sex with a condom but if you really like the girl you can take her and have her tested for 2000 pesos and know for sure in 2 days then if all is well all you have to worry about is getting her pregnant and most all of them would love that from a gringo.[/QUOTE]Who has confirmed this? Do you have the name of the man? Do you have the names of any of the girls? Do you have a link to the full story? I don't know what legislation applies in the US, but you can be pretty sure that if the public health and law enforcement authorities in the DR have his phone number they should be able to ID him and quarantine him or take other actions depending on whether he is a Dominican or a foreigner.

[QUOTE=AthTrainer;1869649]Theres a period of time, about 60 days I believe, where hiv can go undetected. Also, If she does another guy, after the test, and before the BBFS, its all out the window. Be careful. Risk / reward.[/QUOTE]It takes up to 90 days after infection for the body to build up enough antibodies to be detected by an HIV test. If you figure that your pure and innocent novia de la hora is only falling in love twice each day, that's only 180 guys who have each probably been with 20 chicas, who have each been with 180 guys. That's only about 650,000 people you need to worry about.

And roughly 1 out of every 200 people in the world is HIV Positive.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1869456]Got here on time for dinner. Did not eat lunch hoping for the ratatouille and a slice of viande. Helas! They have dug up in front of the French restaurant which is now closed. Went to my second option, the Austrian schnitzel place. It is incredibly busy with women going back and forth all over the main street. My libido is down after the workout of the last few days and so I am at the balcony of the hotel, overlooking the pool at Voramar. So far it has been a nice experience, the hotel that is. , but the water from the faucet is brackish. Never had such an experience. Apparently Sosua has this going on for a few months while the country is in the throes of an election campaign.[/QUOTE]It is not advisable to drink the water from a hotel faucet in the DR even enough to discover that the water is brackish. They might use salty water for toilet flushing, though. When I lived in an island that was very short of water and people collected rainwater in tanks to drink, those who lived close to the water would often channel salt water into cisterns to use for toilet flushing. This was a questionable economy because the salt water rotted the pipes and plumbing fixtures.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1869691]It takes up to 90 days after infection for the body to build up enough antibodies to be detected by an HIV test. If you figure that your pure and innocent novia de la hora is only falling in love twice each day, that's only 180 guys who have each probably been with 20 chicas, who have each been with 180 guys. That's only about 650,000 people you need to worry about.

And roughly 1 out of every 200 people in the world is HIV Positive.[/QUOTE]Yes, about 0. 8% are HIV positive globally, mostly in Africa and other poor countries, but the probability of female to male transmission in a single act of vaginal intercourse is very low, so the statistics about the number of partners is unquantifiable. However there are other dangers related to unprotected sex with strangers such as risk of hepatitis or syphilis transmission, that one should be aware of.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1869014]Its an early bird special here in sosua. We are right here from Santo Domingo in 3 hours. Went to my spot Casa Angela. Got my favorite room rolled up 1 on the balcony. No need to rush this is Sosua anything on the block now will be there when I get there.

Hit the block about 10. Went up to Bourbon Street pretty nice set up. Ordered some dry ass chicken wings and fries. Watch The View. It's funny nothing really grabbed me. Some nice looking chicas around but I have a veterans eye now.

Back in my room solo. My boy courts 1 Off the Strip. It's nap time for me no snack I didn't even bother to go in Rumba.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your input. I noticed you mentioned arriving from Santo Domingo in three hours. Did you by chance rent a car or take the bus? This forum has piqued my interest in Sousa. And now thanks to Spirit Airlines, I can fly inexpensively to the DR, either to SDO or STI. Forget about flying direct to POP on the major airlines, because from where I live the cost is barely $100 cheaper than flying to Thailand. (Really, its like $700 to POP with two connections and $800 to BKK with one connection). I noticed the Metro buses make decent time to Sousa from either Santiago or Santo Domingo. So does anyone have a preference? The important thing I noticed is that Spirit drops you off in STI at 2 AM and in SDO around 3 PM. That seems to give SDO an advantage from a logistics standpoint, even if Santiago is closer. Any suggestions on making the best use of my time, or transport options?

Thanks in advance, and please check out my trip reports for Berlin and Medellin.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1869690]Who has confirmed this? Do you have the name of the man? Do you have the names of any of the girls? Do you have a link to the full story? I don't know what legislation applies in the US, but you can be pretty sure that if the public health and law enforcement authorities in the DR have his phone number they should be able to ID him and quarantine him or take other actions depending on whether he is a Dominican or a foreigner.[/QUOTE]I was thinking the same thing but I have refrained from every post here lately that I don't agree with to save arguments and not waste positive energy on such things. If it occurred as the guy says I believe there would be a manhunt for this guy by the cops, vigilantes and family members. He's affecting the community and the tourist industry, he would be found dead in 3 months not walking around bragging about it.

There was a foreigner murdered a few months ago and they said it was a robbery by an ex lover. Well one day I'm at a bar and struck up a conversation with two guys speaking English at the next table. They were detectives from the murdered guys hometown. They said it wasn't a robbery but a hit. The guy was spreading a disease and people were pissed and handled it Dominican style. When I asked for more details the detectives locked down on me and acted like they had already said too much.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1869479]They are a guy going around fucking girls with no condom paying them then taking their phone number and calling them later to let them know they now have Aids. This has been confirmed to be true about the guy having Aids because many of the ones he called are now positive. I know for a fact it stinks having sex with a condom but if you really like the girl you can take her and have her tested for 2000 pesos and know for sure in 2 days then if all is well all you have to worry about is getting her pregnant and most all of them would love that from a gringo.[/QUOTE]If said information is accurate, we are talking about some scumbag essentially committing mass murder.

Any information about him should be provided to the proper authorities, or those with first hand contact with him should be advised to do so.

Not hard to do. Any chica could identify the day / time of her contact with him, and which hotel. Hotel records would provide a name. Name can provide a passport number, etc.

Said information could be passed to his country of origin, and he would soon find himself behind bars.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1869704]Thanks for your input. I noticed you mentioned arriving from Santo Domingo in three hours. Did you by chance rent a car or take the bus? This forum has piqued my interest in Sousa. And now thanks to Spirit Airlines, I can fly inexpensively to the DR, either to SDO or STI. Forget about flying direct to POP on the major airlines, because from where I live the cost is barely $100 cheaper than flying to Thailand. (Really, its like $700 to POP with two connections and $800 to BKK with one connection). I noticed the Metro buses make decent time to Sousa from either Santiago or Santo Domingo. So does anyone have a preference? The important thing I noticed is that Spirit drops you off in STI at 2 AM and in SDO around 3 PM. That seems to give SDO an advantage from a logistics standpoint, even if Santiago is closer. Any suggestions on making the best use of my time, or transport options?

Thanks in advance, and please check out my trip reports for Berlin and Medellin.[/QUOTE]I take spirit flight from Fort Lauderdale to Santo Domingo when I visit DR. I pay around $300 which is less than half of the flight to Puerto Plata. I have a taxi driver picking me up from airport for 1300 pesos and I go straight to Metro bus station trying to catch 4 PM bus. It is express and it takes about 3. 1/2 hours to Puerto Plata. It is good bus, comfortable and good ride. Last time when I was there all seats were sold for 4 PM bus and I had to wait for 5 PM bus. But I have learnt a small trick when I was waiting for 5 PM bus. There may be available seats even if all seats were sold out. You wait next to the door to bus until 4 PM and all passengers are inside of the bus. They let other passengers into bus who are waiting to fill all available seats.

I fly directly to POP east coast for $275 one way on american arrive at 230. Return trip from POP is pricey so I fly back on another airline out of Santiago or SD both have good pricing and time options.

[QUOTE=Ozzie1451;1869791]I take spirit flight from Fort Lauderdale to Santo Domingo when I visit DR. I pay around $300 which is less than half of the flight to Puerto Plata. I have a taxi driver picking me up from airport for 1300 pesos and I go straight to Metro bus station trying to catch 4 PM bus. It is express and it takes about 3. 1/2 hours to Puerto Plata. It is good bus, comfortable and good ride. Last time when I was there all seats were sold for 4 PM bus and I had to wait for 5 PM bus. But I have learnt a small trick when I was waiting for 5 PM bus. There may be available seats even if all seats were sold out. You wait next to the door to bus until 4 PM and all passengers are inside of the bus. They let other passengers into bus who are waiting to fill all available seats.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ozzie1451;1869791]I take spirit flight from Fort Lauderdale to Santo Domingo when I visit DR. I pay around $300 which is less than half of the flight to Puerto Plata. I have a taxi driver picking me up from airport for 1300 pesos and I go straight to Metro bus station trying to catch 4 PM bus. It is express and it takes about 3. 1/2 hours to Puerto Plata. It is good bus, comfortable and good ride. Last time when I was there all seats were sold for 4 PM bus and I had to wait for 5 PM bus. But I have learnt a small trick when I was waiting for 5 PM bus. There may be available seats even if all seats were sold out. You wait next to the door to bus until 4 PM and all passengers are inside of the bus. They let other passengers into bus who are waiting to fill all available seats.[/QUOTE]So do you get off at puerta plata if you take the 5 pm bus? From what I know, the 4 pm goes to sosua, not the 5 pm.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1869704]Thanks for your input. I noticed you mentioned arriving from Santo Domingo in three hours. Did you by chance rent a car or take the bus? This forum has piqued my interest in Sousa. And now thanks to Spirit Airlines, I can fly inexpensively to the DR, either to SDO or STI. Forget about flying direct to POP on the major airlines, because from where I live the cost is barely $100 cheaper than flying to Thailand. (Really, its like $700 to POP with two connections and $800 to BKK with one connection). I noticed the Metro buses make decent time to Sousa from either Santiago or Santo Domingo. So does anyone have a preference? The important thing I noticed is that Spirit drops you off in STI at 2 AM and in SDO around 3 PM. That seems to give SDO an advantage from a logistics standpoint, even if Santiago is closer. Any suggestions on making the best use of my time, or transport options?

Thanks in advance, and please check out my trip reports for Berlin and Medellin.[/QUOTE]If you land at 3 pm you're probably going to miss the 4 pm bus to Sosua on Metro, but Caribe tours has a 5, 6 and 7 pm bus. Caribe drops a little ways outside of Sosua, so you'll need a cab, or a moto if you don't have much luggage.

Depending on your time in The DR you might want to stick in SD and catch the first Metro bus to Sosua in the morning.

One suggestion. Bring a light jacket for the bus. They keep the A / see cranked.

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1869976]So do you get off at puerta plata if you take the 5 pm bus? From what I know, the 4 pm goes to sosua, not the 5 pm.[/QUOTE]I took both 4 PM and 5 PM bus and I've got off at puerto plata. Both stopped at puerto plata.

[QUOTE=Ozzie1451;1869979]I took both 4 PM and 5 PM bus and I've got off at puerto plata. Both stopped at puerto plata.[/QUOTE]Let me clear this up for everyone. The 4 pm metro bus from SD goes all the way to Sosua as does the 7 am,11 am metro buses the other metro buses end in Puerto Plata. Carib tours leave hourly and end in Charmicos.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1869704]Thanks for your input. I noticed you mentioned arriving from Santo Domingo in three hours. Did you by chance rent a car or take the bus? This forum has piqued my interest in Sousa. And now thanks to Spirit Airlines, I can fly inexpensively to the DR, either to SDO or STI. Forget about flying direct to POP on the major airlines, because from where I live the cost is barely $100 cheaper than flying to Thailand. (Really, its like $700 to POP with two connections and $800 to BKK with one connection). I noticed the Metro buses make decent time to Sousa from either Santiago or Santo Domingo. So does anyone have a preference? The important thing I noticed is that Spirit drops you off in STI at 2 AM and in SDO around 3 PM. That seems to give SDO an advantage from a logistics standpoint, even if Santiago is closer. Any suggestions on making the best use of my time, or transport options?

Thanks in advance, and please check out my trip reports for Berlin and Medellin.[/QUOTE]Actually I came from the Boca Chica area and I rented a car. I counted the time from the point of me headed towards semana. If you have plans to take a bus to your destination. I will fly into Santiago if I'm going to sosua. Or take car for the hour and a half Drive. I would take a bus only if I can get there by the afternoon. A lot of flights come in red eye from my location. Arriving in Santiago after 7 can be a problem. The last bus leaves at 9 headed towards the Sue. A cab can run you between 75 + 125. But it's worth it if you're short on time. If I'm good on time I fly into Santo Domingo. Bus it or rent a car. Depending on my plans to the East.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1869815]I fly directly to POP east coast for $275 one way on american arrive at 230. Return trip from POP is pricey so I fly back on another airline out of Santiago or SD both have good pricing and time options.[/QUOTE]Kool you fly out of Atlanta I think. I can't seem to find that deal. Where are you flying out of. I thought only those Upstate fellows DC and above have those prices.

Not sure if it can be done from ATL. I checked and it is 475 one way from the Atl

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1870825]Kool you fly out of Atlanta I think. I can't seem to find that deal. Where are you flying out of. I thought only those Upstate fellows DC and above have those prices.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1870952]Not sure if it can be done from ATL. I checked and it is 475 one way from the Atl[/QUOTE]Yeah that's no secret that number I get. Back to either flying in Santiago or send to the Mingo for me.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1870817]Actually I counted the time from the point of me headed towards semana. .[/QUOTE]How much is the total cost for the toll booths one way.

For the new guys if you get hot easy and like using ac a lot bring a coat for the girl you pick or you will be turning it off.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1872758]How much is the total cost for the toll booths one way.[/QUOTE]There are 3 toll booths totalling around 400 pesos (actually less I think.).

[QUOTE=Sammon;1869173]Sin condom in Sosua?[/QUOTE]Sorry that was sin condom for the head. BBBJ.

[QUOTE=JayBalanty;1867271]In my mind, if I gave her 4000 pesos it would legitimize her scam and maybe she would do this again to another gringo. I felt that with my language skills and the numerous trips I have to the DR it was my duty to challenge this Chica.[/QUOTE]Agree 100 % way to stand your ground.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1872758]How much is the total cost for the toll booths one way.[/QUOTE]Its roughly 10 dollars.

AA Airlines mia to pop 6/6/2016 6/17/2016 rt $403. Under 3 hours arrive before 3 pm. lol the charge the same price one way!

Back to Sosua again after a trip in Feb, nothing has changed except for the sidewalks being redone. BTW Sosua must be the easiest and funnest way to score girls of all colors.

Shapes and sizes. My preference is perfect body with a bubble butt.

Flew in SDQ from Mia AA $308 round trip where my friend that lives in SD met me, I rented a car and off we went, made it to Rio San Juan in 1 HR and 40 minutes Andretti style.

Where my favorite waitress that I haven't fucked yet was waiting to serve us dinner, scored some points w her with a surprise 10 dollar gift, happy as we left for Sosua.

1st night.

Staying at Bay City hotel 40 dlls one bed studio with a / see kitchen and hot water and a small sofa chairs and table and good secure gate with guard at all times.

Went out Sunday night around 10 the scene was happening but not as loaded as I've seen it before. Saw a bubble butt from Santiago 18 yrs old long black hair, ask her.

Whats the scoop with her she said 3000 for one HR, I'm don't pay no more than 2000 and being from the island next door Spanish makes bargaining easy because most are content with 1500.

Except for a few that won't come off 2000. I told her the normal rate was 1000 to 1500 and that was all she needed to not talk to me again, well guess what there were.

100 more girls all over the place to bring back. I always study the talent before picking, but if you see one you really like then don't wait because if she's hot she will.

Be gone most likely. Picked a spinner Leyla red dress nice ass but not a bubble butt how I like them at 12 pm it was getting late and the talent worse. She said 2000.

I replied 1500 and we go I said what are we going to do? She said anything you want. Went back to the room after ID check at front desk and off to bang bang. Good sesh BBBJ.

She got on top grinded 10 min later we swithed me on top and after pumping 20 minutes in all different ways I put her she was fine with it, gave her the 1500 we agreed on.

And gave her a 500 tip for being a good girl jaja.

2nd night.

Came back from cabaret beach all day and did one lap around the block you know the lap, starts at the corner then a quick ice stop at the Colmado for ice for the cooler.

Where self prepared rum and cokes happen from the trunk of the car, and around the corner pass the New Garden hotel, then left again and left onto Pedro Clisante, That lap.

When back to the main corner a blonde bleached girl waves so I motion to come, comes up to the window Chantel nice large tits not so much of a bubble butt but the tits and freshly.

Turned 18 made up on the bubble butt. She hopped in the car and I told her I was in no hurry to fuck but after a shower and dinner it was on, she agreed to 1500. Had Pizza on the.

Main Road for 490 DP then drove to the dead end by casa Cayene and polished off a couple of rum and cokes to get primed up for the plowing. Back to the room BBBJ and.

Round and round we went, blasted on her tits fresh tittys no kids, sent off with a motoconcho took a shower and back on the strip. One drew my attention and back to the room.

Rosmery 19 and ready 1500, nice ass small tits another good session and night night by 11 pm.

3rd night.

8 pm The Bubble Butt I been looking for is spotted I come near her and some guy grabs her and takes her in that new nice open bar across Rumba,5 minutes later.

She walks away from him and I approach her straight to it how much she wouldn't come of 2000 so I agreed. Back to the room CBJ wouldn't BBBJ.

What an ass, round like a basketball butt well proportioned, went down town and what a beautiful scene 15 minutes and she came, then the plow came thru.

To stretch out the field. Super hot session sexually and temperature she didn't like the a / see so we both sweated from the workout jaja 2000 and a ride back to the strip.

Where I watch for another HR or two but was not motivated by the talent. Got her number for another sesh tomorrow.

4th night.

Called Bubble Butt at 6 pm agreed to meet for dinner, to the hotel she came looking better than the night before, went to dinner a few drinks and back to the room by 9 PM.

Wouldn't BBBJ but CBJ, went down town again 69 only to get a thick mustache when she came, rolled around pumping all ways for ever till we were both soaked in sweet.

Better session than the night before so I pulled out 2 hot bikinis and asked her to choose one. She smiled from ear to ear and ran in the bathroom to try it on. She took 10.

Minutes to come out and I asked her what took so long, she replied I wanted it to look perfect. I said it does. She only let me take one picture but I can't load it up.

Anyone feel free to tell me how and I will load it.

Days 5 thru 10 I will report tomorrow.

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[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1874081]AA Airlines mia to pop 6/6/2016 6/17/2016 rt $403. Under 3 hours arrive before 3 pm. lol the charge the same price one way![/QUOTE]Good price for POP.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1874081]AA Airlines mia to pop 6/6/2016 6/17/2016 rt $403. Under 3 hours arrive before 3 pm. lol the charge the same price one way![/QUOTE]BTW Mia to SDQ is 1 HR 40 min POP must be 1 HR 25 min.

Recently the compose message panel and the edit panel will not word wrap automatically.

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[QUOTE=Oakie;1874640]Recently the compose message panel and the edit panel will not word wrap automatically.

[/QUOTE]I have this problem on all boards and with email. I think I accidentally pressed a combination of keys which turned off wrapping.

I would think the problem is similarly at your end, Oakie?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1874673]I have this problem on all boards and with email. I think I accidentally pressed a combination of keys which turned off wrapping.

I would think the problem is similarly at your end, Oakie?[/QUOTE]Thanks Charles, I checked it again and it seems the problem is with my Chrome, it's now OK in MS Internet Explorer.

Can someone please educate me on the scene at the Samba Brasil and Blue Ice. They obviously cannot use the Passions / CMP model anymore.

Can you take out the girls after paying something akin to a bar fine and negotiate directly with the girls?

Also, are the rumors that William has reopened Cuba Libre true.

I'm looking for alternatives to the strip before I decide to hit Santiago.

[QUOTE=Shockman;1874697]Can someone please educate me on the scene at the Samba Brasil and Blue Ice. They obviously cannot use the Passions / CMP model anymore.[/QUOTE]Last time I was at Samba Brasil it was just a regular bar as far as I know.

[QUOTE=Shockman;1874697]Can someone please educate me on the scene at the Samba Brasil and Blue Ice. They obviously cannot use the Passions / CMP model anymore.

Can you take out the girls after paying something akin to a bar fine and negotiate directly with the girls?

Also, are the rumors that William has reopened Cuba Libre true.

I'm looking for alternatives to the strip before I decide to hit Santiago.[/QUOTE]The girls at both Samba and Blue Ice can not leave until their shift is over which on the weekends can be 5 am All negotiations and payment is done directly with the girl, the bar has nothing to do with it, just like if you tried to pull a bartender out of any other bar in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1867414]
As for hotels, there are only so many of them in Sosua. For each hotel she is banned from she will be losing money. In the long run she is only hurting herself and will have to move on since, pulling this stunt, no one will allow her through the gate. Thanks for sharing.[/QUOTE]I never thought of that angle before when it comes to dealing with a chica who changes the price. Explaining that you know the manager personally and you will ask him to ban her from the hotel if she acts a fool seems like a great bargaining technique. I've known girls who have been banned from Classicos for 1-2 weeks for some infractions and they freaking hated it because it cut into their money, imagine being banned from a hotel.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1875167]I never thought of that angle before when it comes to dealing with a chica who changes the price. Explaining that you know the manager personally and you will ask him to ban her from the hotel if she acts a fool seems like a great bargaining technique. I've known girls who have been banned from Classicos for 1-2 weeks for some infractions and they freaking hated it because it cut into their money, imagine being banned from a hotel.[/QUOTE]I can see chicas being banned from certain businesses, like a bar, restaurant, club or a casino. But how likely is it for a chica to get banned by a hotel? My reasons for asking is: After hours, most hotels management offices is closed. No hotel staff to handle such matters. That may mean the hotels security guard is the only thing stopping a chica from coming back to the same hotel. In some cases, she can come back on the property when a different guard is working. In some cases, security guards have a side hustle of getting small kickbacks from the chicas in exchange for them having access to coming on the property.

So a chica might be able to persuade a security guard (with money or ass) to allow her back on the property, especially if she is with a different customer. Many security guards play both sides. They may appear to have the mongers back as a customer of the hotel, but the other reality is they know chicas have to make money by any means necessary. Quite often locals tend to have more empathy towards the chicas (even if they are wrong) than a "rich" gringo who THEY believe can afford an "insignificant" loss or disappointment.

In other words, I don't think hotel security care that much about a dude who was bamboozled by a chica over a few pesos. In that scenario it's his word (possibly drunk word) over hers (the poor chica trying to feed her family). I neglected to mention, that some chicas may have police ready to respond, not to help the monger but to possibly extort him for more pesos in order to make the problem go away. Some police use their response as an opportunity to make money.

Besides, after the incident, how likely is it that a guy will complain to management that some chica he had last night bamboozled him out of some pesos, and that he wants her banned? Maybe its me, but it almost always seems a chicas side of the story or lies have more impact than the complaint a gringo has. Especially where the gringo doesnt know enough spanish to know what everybody is saying, especially the chica. You ever notice how confused police or security look on the scene, like they dont know who to believe? Meanwhile the dude is probably standing there thinking, whats the problem? Cant you guys see this B is the problem, and shes trying to distract you from what the real issue here is?

Now maybe if a chica is caught stealing from guests, that might be a different story.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1875167]I never thought of that angle before when it comes to dealing with a chica who changes the price. Explaining that you know the manager personally and you will ask him to ban her from the hotel if she acts a fool seems like a great bargaining technique. I've known girls who have been banned from Classicos for 1-2 weeks for some infractions and they freaking hated it because it cut into their money, imagine being banned from a hotel.[/QUOTE]These people don't all belong to the local Chamber of Commerce.

A dispute between a hooker and her trick is just one of the things they have to deal with, like cleaning the toilet.

They don't much care if you can't handle your own guests.

I have stayed at Europa and lately Casa Cayena (Insert new name) . Europa is strict and may have exclusion list. Casa Cayena does not. But they hold the I. The of chica. I guess since I. The is held it can be argued that hotels have some kind of leverage if the girl causes problems. I would worry about hotels who do not check or keep I. The. There are many like that.

I have never encountered any problems since I go to DR at least 3 times a year. No issues about money. Some do ask for more but I politely decline.

My method is saying to every girl that she made me happy and I would like to see her again. Whether she gave good service or not it is immaterial. However her mind starts adding up additional pesos and she wants to part as pleasantly as possible. Even if you happen to meet her later just say you have another girl. Never take bad girls again to your room hoping she has reformed. Once a bad girl always a bad girl.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1875391]I have stayed at Europa and lately Casa Cayena (Insert new name) . Europa is strict and may have exclusion list. Casa Cayena does not. But they hold the I. The of chica. I guess since I. The is held it can be argued that hotels have some kind of leverage if the girl causes problems. I would worry about hotels who do not check or keep I. The. There are many like that.

I have never encountered any problems since I go to DR at least 3 times a year. No issues about money. Some do ask for more but I politely decline.

My method is saying to every girl that she made me happy and I would like to see her again. Whether she gave good service or not it is immaterial. However her mind starts adding up additional pesos and she wants to part as pleasantly as possible. Even if you happen to meet her later just say you have another girl. Never take bad girls again to your room hoping she has reformed. Once a bad girl always a bad girl.[/QUOTE]Right on!

It costs nothing for a little insincere compliment, and always makes for a friendly departure.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1875391]I have stayed at Europa and lately Casa Cayena (Insert new name) . Europa is strict and may have exclusion list. Casa Cayena does not. But they hold the I. The of chica. I guess since I. The is held it can be argued that hotels have some kind of leverage if the girl causes problems. I would worry about hotels who do not check or keep I. The. There are many like that.

[/QUOTE]It would be helpful to know what is meant by the hotel being strict? For what infractions? For instance. If a chica flips the script on the price, and in her upset claims she's owed more money, is that enough to get her banned from a hotel? Her upset may seem legit to the average individual trying to sort things out.

And as I've said before, sometimes chicas pull stunts on guys because they know they can get away with it. For instance. Lying to security, police, hotel staff or anybody standing by observing the situation. Saying she was promised a certain amount, and the dude refused to pay. Who is going to be believed? The chica trying to feed her family or the rich gringo trying to get out of paying her 2 mil pesos extra?

My point is, I don't think anybody really cares that much about a gringos plight / side of the story when he can very well afford the loss. In other words, they don't value the principle of the issue from the gringos perspective (especially when it comes to prostitution) but see that issue as a minor loss he should be able to do deal with.

I would think the infraction on the chicas behalf would have to be pretty severe in order for her to get banned from a hotel. But not for something like, bamboozling a John on the price? Especially since security and hotel staff are mainly interested in maintaining order, not resolving disputes for Johns and prostitutes.

How would or does the exclusion list work? Does the chica wait until security checks a list of cedulas looking for her name and picture? Arent chicas capable of using fake eye "d" or someone elses eye "d"? I would think security or staff recognizing the chica on their property would work best. But if its been awhile, the chica changes her appearance, the hotel has new security, the chica pays off security, a chica has a chance of getting back in that hotel.

Every hotel is different. Some of the chicas working the desks are pretty cold to the girls. I have been told by security at some hotels that a certain chica was mal or mafiosa. The girls are tight with there cash but one hand does wash the other in the DR. I do reccomend tipiping these guys.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1875594]Right on!

It costs nothing for a little insincere compliment, and always makes for a friendly departure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1875686]Who is going to be believed? The chica trying to feed her family or the rich gringo trying to get out of paying her 2 mil pesos extra?[/QUOTE]They are looked at as chicas trying to feed their family by people on this board. To locals they are seen as lazy hookers; the same way hookers are viewed the world over (hence OldKool's observation that the hotel clerks are cold towards them). Also, see Subcmdr's thread with a repost of Cerebro's report on how they view mongers. And if you think any of the hotel workers or police are sympathethic towards a chica trying to fleece a gringo for what it takes them half a month to earn, then you have another thing coming.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1875722]They are looked at as chicas trying to feed their family by people on this board. To locals they are seen as lazy hookers; the same way hookers are viewed the world over (hence OldKool's observation that the hotel clerks are cold towards them). Also, see Subcmdr's thread with a repost of Cerebro's report on how they view mongers. And if you think any of the hotel workers or police are sympathethic towards a chica trying to fleece a gringo for what it takes them half a month to earn, then you have another thing coming.[/QUOTE]Mr E, my focus wasnt necessarily on how hookers are viewed by locals, hotel staff or police. After all, locals are comprised of many players. Including other hookers and those associated with them. I am focusing on how those entities you mentioned tend to handle certain types of situations. Like some guy being bamboozled by some chica over price.

Are chicas getting banned from hotels for that? I kinda doubt that. I would ask a question similar to yours. You think any of the hotel workers, security or police are sympathetic towards a dude being fleeced by a hooker for what it takes them half a month to earn? Point being, the hooker or the john may both garner disparaging feelings by those in attendance, simply by the nature of their connection.

Its just with hookers it may be more openly expressed from envy in the ease of how they get paid or disgust by the nature of their work. And with the gringo it may be more covert but for the same reasons, as well as the lack of respect because us foreigners are supposedly exploiting women and taking advantage of their circumstances. No sympathy for chicas. I get that. However in enough instances hotel staff, police or security will and have advised guys to go ahead and pay the hooker, just to get rid of her.

Now why would they advise that, when they have no sympathy for hookers? Seems to me, there's no sympathy for gringo guests either. This is how a dude might want a situation like that to go down. Chica complains, about not getting paid. After all is said and done, chica is told to hit the road with only what they originally agreed to. That is what a dude would want to happen.

However, in enough instances it does not go down like that. Hotel staff, security and police stand there acting like they don't know who to believe or what to do. Police and security sometimes suggest the guy pay the hooker. Or everybody goes to the station, and now the dude may be subject to more fleecing and inconvenience. Just kicking the hooker out would have been what she deserved.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1875696]Every hotel is different. Some of the chicas working the desks are pretty cold to the girls. I have been told by security at some hotels that a certain chica was mal or mafiosa. The girls are tight with there cash but one hand does wash the other in the DR. I do reccomend tipiping these guys.[/QUOTE]Propina is king in Sosua. It won't make you a real friend, but it can make you a temporary one, (closest you'll get).

Like any resort it accounts for most of the the smiles and helpfulness you'll see.

Even guys that don't tip, in many ways benefit from the thousands of others that do, starting at the airport.

Hotel clerks and security guards are good investments. They'll help you with a problem chica.

But here's the thing.

A man is responsible for who he chooses to bring into his house, car, or hotel room. Hotel clerks, and even security and the cops don't need major drama about an agreed price for a bbbj.

A lot of puta arguments I've seen, are the fault of a guy that doesn't know how the game is played. He could be a newbie, a drunk, or even just an asshole. It seems to surprise some of you that mongers can be assholes too. Once again for the egocentrics here, a trick is in no way morally superior to a hooker. When we are exchanging bodily fluids with strangers, we are all on the same level.

We've all seen them arguing in front of hotel security, about how long TLN is supposed to be, while she's probably late already to pick up her kids.

Some of you out there might not be aware, but putas are ripped off by johns all the time. It's only natural that some of them have the scars.

If some asshole just ripped her off before she came to your room, she just might not be in the best frame of mind. She could (more rarely) even be crazy on drugs and be carrying a knife. I mean, didn't you just pull a stranger off a third world street at 2.00 am in the morning and bring her into your room with your shit?

So be careful out there! Don't be relying on a local Chamber of Commerce or the Puta Ombudsman to get you out of a jam, or to save your ass, because there isn't one.

Anyway, here's the deal. If all the mongers were perfect gentlemen, and all the putas were consistently in the wrong, they WOULD be banned, because a couple of hotels I know personally say they will not honor the reservations of certain repeat guests.

I agree on the tipping. I pay particular attention to the night clerk and the night security and try to go beyond tipping to take a moment to chat.

This may sound like a buzz kill but I agree to the price and duration via I'm or Whatsapp before I even get to the hotel and mention it to the.

Night clerk / security and get the chica to agree before I take her to the room. Also, an extension of basic norms of hospitality like a drink / snack.

Goes a long way in setting the stage for a hassle free encounter but not to the point that it is perceived as a vulnerability that can be exploited by.

The chica.

I also agree on the moral equivalency of the monger to chica interaction.

Never had a problem but, if I did, I'd try to settle on an amount and have it on my rear view mirror.

I have come to realize that, as far as Sosua is concerned, all relationships are transactional.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1875974]Propina is king in Sosua. It won't make you a real friend, but it can make you a temporary one, (closest you'll get).

Like any resort it accounts for most of the the smiles and helpfulness you'll see.

Even guys that don't tip, in many ways benefit from the thousands of others that do, starting at the airport.

Hotel clerks and security guards are good investments. They'll help you with a problem chica.

But here's the thing.

A man is responsible for who he chooses to bring into his house, car, or hotel room. Hotel clerks, and even security and the cops don't need major drama about an agreed price for a bbbj..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shockman;1876172]I agree on the tipping. I pay particular attention to the night clerk and the night security and try to go beyond tipping to take a moment to chat.

This may sound like a buzz kill but I agree to the price and duration via I'm or Whatsapp before I even get to the hotel and mention it to the.

Night clerk / security and get the chica to agree before I take her to the room. Also, an extension of basic norms of hospitality like a drink / snack.

Goes a long way in setting the stage for a hassle free encounter but not to the point that it is perceived as a vulnerability that can be exploited by.

The chica.

I also agree on the moral equivalency of the monger to chica interaction.

Never had a problem but, if I did, I'd try to settle on an amount and have it on my rear view mirror.
I have come to realize that, as far as Sosua is concerned, all relationships are transactional.[/QUOTE]That's more good advice!

Sosua is great, if you keep a weather eye out for trouble without spoiling the party, and it sounds like you do.

You are in the mainstream of guys who can go down there and have a great time, without trying to over analyze, or biache and complain.

We have to remember they are just hookers after all. .

[QUOTE=Oakie;1876199]We have to remember they are just hookers after all. .[/QUOTE]Sorry Oakie, is that condescending or, do you mean to say that the intellectual heft of the "johns" are much higher? LOL. Granted the Johns have, in this case, more money compared to a third world island resident, at the lower end of the economic ladder but isn't it more like, "there but for the grace of God, go I"?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1875229]

In other words, I don't think hotel security care that much about a dude who was bamboozled by a chica over a few pesos. In that scenario it's his word (possibly drunk word) over hers (the poor chica trying to feed her family). I neglected to mention, that some chicas may have police ready to respond, not to help the monger but to possibly extort him for more pesos in order to make the problem go away. Some police use their response as an opportunity to make money.
.[/QUOTE]I was speaking more in terms of a chica who decides to trash the room over a dispute. I think the original poster said his girl slammed the TV to the ground when they had a disagreement. I would imagine that management wouldn't be too happy with a girl who destroys their property, especially if the client decides he wants to fight the charges. (I know, I know. In the DR, he probably won't have any choice when it comes to paying for the bill. But I serious doubt managent will allow a chica who has a rep for going on a rampage to continue to come on their property.).

I'm still in two minds about whether to retire to Thailand or to some other country. The DR would be on my radar since I like black girls and speak the lingo. However the reports I'm reading here about problem girls and police hassle are sobering. How would you guys rate the DR compared to a wall-to-wall scam country such as the Philippines (or a relatively scam-free country such as Thailand)? Confrontation with greedy police is something I don't want to have to worry about on a weekly basis. In particular, if I become a resident in the DR and find myself a local semi-pro as a regular girl or even a cohabitant (whom I rewarded at the going rate) is there any chance of getting rid of her when I want to or would I face an insurmountable blackmail and drama worse than if I had married her? Thanks for any opinion.

[QUOTE=XXL;1876709]I'm still in two minds about whether to retire to Thailand or to some other country. The DR would be on my radar since I like black girls and speak the lingo. However the reports I'm reading here about problem girls and police hassle are sobering. How would you guys rate the DR compared to a wall-to-wall scam country such as the Philippines (or a relatively scam-free country such as Thailand)? Confrontation with greedy police is something I don't want to have to worry about on a weekly basis. In particular, if I become a resident in the DR and find myself a local semi-pro as a regular girl or even a cohabitant (whom I rewarded at the going rate) is there any chance of getting rid of her when I want to or would I face an insurmountable blackmail and drama worse than if I had married her? Thanks for any opinion.[/QUOTE]Probably should have posted this in the "General Info" forum of the DR Thread, but talk to / PM:

-Charles Pooter

-Wrx2005

-SubCmdr

They all live there full time and on different parts of the island, so they will have different perspectives. Also, if you scroll back a few pages or so you will see there was another discussion on this topic about someone wanting to live in Cabarete.

If anything, there is an entire expat community on DR1 (the message forum section). Just don't go there asking mongering questions because it is not a hobby-discussion-type forum.

Example post from there related to your inquiry:

[i]The no frills 800 sq ft starter apt I have in Higuey is 6000 pesos a month. No hot water, electric is included, but only from 5:30 PM to 8AM. Nice and clean though and relatively quiet across from a school. Almost no motos after 9PM and no garbage on the streets.

Still helping the esposa in growing her business at about 2000 pesos a week, but she should be financially independent by the end of the next trip in January, which will be for three months. My daily costs are motos, batidas, cappuccinos, and the occasional Presidente grande~ maybe 2000 a week. We're both usually busy from 7AM to about 8PM with chores and working on her business. She puts in about 35 hours a week, and I put in about 25.

She and her sister do most of the cooking and food buying, but I get whole chicken carbon about once a week(300 pesos). Biggest costs now are paying for her parents's medical bills and helping the extended family. The mom has been in a clinic for a month and the dad has a diabetic ulcer on his shin from an infected wound.

Living alone, 4000 a week, rent included, would be doable, but not much fun.[/i]


4000RD x 4 = 16000RD
+ 6000RD = 22,000RD = $485 USD

I'd imagine if you have $1500 - $2000 per month to live off of, you'd live like a fat King down there.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1876712]I'd imagine if you have $1500 - $2000 per month to live off of, you'd live like a fat King down there.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I would have more like 4500-5000 a month, so I'll go on keeping an eye one the DR, I'm too much into afro-type girls and African countries have no retirement visa programs with zero tax on pensions like the DR.

[QUOTE=XXL;1876709]The DR would be on my radar since I like black girls and speak the lingo. [/QUOTE]Which "lingo" do you speak and who do you consider to be "black"?

DR is almost the opposite to the United States where anybody with anyone with (say) a quarter African ancestry is considered "black". In the DR, Dominicans who are considered "black" (though they would use the words "moreno / a" or "prieto / a") are a relatively small minority. Most Dominicans are various shades of "indio / a". The delusion was that their darker skin color came from Native American ancestry. (ln fact less than 2% does).

Most real "blacks" in the DR are Haitian or of Haitian parentage (two smallish areas excepted.) Most Haitians speak Haitian Creole. Is this the lingo you claim to speak? Not to worry, once you are living here you can learn it relatively easily. A helluvalot easier than learning Thai, and easier still if you speak French, on which it is based. I have been living with a Haitian girl for over five years and we converse in my pitiful Spanish and her rather limited Spanish. One of the reasons I became attracted to Haitian girls is that they spoke Spanish slowly and with only basic grammar and vocabulary so it was easier to understand.

Many of my ex-pat friends here have converted wholly or largely to Haitian chicas as with years of experience they have come to appreciate the advantages. If you like black girls (and I mean what is considered "black"on this island), you may do the same.

[QUOTE=XXL;1876709]How would you guys rate the DR compared to a wall-to-wall scam country such as the Philippines [/QUOTE]This is a wall-to-wall scam country as well. Like the Philippines the two big cultural influences are Spain and the US. Spanish corruption and incompetence and American greed and materialism. But it is all manageable if you have common-sense and need not affect your life if you just want to retire and fuck a hundred chicas each month (very doable on your stated income).

[QUOTE=XXL;1876709]Confrontation with greedy police is something I don't want to have to worry about on a weekly basis.[/QUOTE]I have lived here nearly seven years and have never spoken to a cop, apart from brief courtesies if I found myself sitting next to one in a bar or cafeteria. However I do not get drunk and I do not drive, which are two circumstances in which you may attract unwanted attention.

[QUOTE=XXL;1876709]If I become a resident in the DR and find myself a local semi-pro as a regular girl or even a cohabitant (whom I rewarded at the going rate) is there any chance of getting rid of her when I want to or would I face an insurmountable blackmail and drama worse than if I had married her?[/QUOTE]That is a complex question and depends on a million "ifs" and "buts" but that would be the case in most any country. If you do not treat people fairly you might find yourself in legal or physical trouble, just as you would anywhere else.

US $2500 per month is ample to live very comfortably here. If you have more and spend more, do not make it obvious to locals, including your girlfriends. If you did want to break things off you can easily afford to pay "severance pay" which would be a windfall for her, but small change to you. The only affair of mine that did not die a natural death, I gave her ten thousand pesos (then worth US $300) to get her teeth done (after six months of the best sex of my life) and she was more than happy. I did not see her again for a year or so, when our paths crossed on Sosua beach. She flashed her pearly whites in appreciation and went on her way.

My first advice is to take a couple of long vacations here (say three months each) and do not spend them in mongering haunts. Try to get a feel for "normal" life here and talk to as many resident ex-pats as possible.

Meanwhile, as SavePros advised, read up on DR1.

I think you should start first with some mongering trips and see if you like mongering in the DR. Then graduate to spending more time exploring the Island and also see if you continue to like the country, the people, and culture. The last thing to do is to spend a couple of months living in the DR before making an abrupt decision to retire there. After experiencing a few months living there, you will know the answer to all those questions you have.

Cerebro

[QUOTE=XXL;1876723]Thanks, I would have more like 4500-5000 a month, so I'll go on keeping an eye one the DR, I'm too much into afro-type girls and African countries have no retirement visa programs with zero tax on pensions like the DR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1875974]Propina is king in Sosua. It won't make you a real friend, but it can make you a temporary one, (closest you'll get).

Some of you out there might not be aware, but putas are ripped off by johns all the time.

.[/QUOTE]Come on man. I was with you until this. What do we have to ripped off. Ain't her viginity.

She come to your room with nothing but pussy. She leaves with it every time. I have Never heard a guy screwing over a chica. A puta with try you. Point blank. You can be a international Vet that's fluent in Spanish. A puta will try you. Its their culture when dealing with foreigner. Try to get over.

In the Sue last month. Gloria the chica I had 3 yr ago for my birthday present. She did her job but it was agreed all night. She faked stating her kids. I gave her the agreed 2000 and she started begging for more. I told her I was going to tell all my friends and ever speak to me again. She apologized but we ever repeated. I seen her maybe 20 more times. We speak but never repeated. I introduced her to my Boi. She became apart of his rotation. That was until last trip. She tried him begging (really begging) for more money after the section. The was so upset because he gave her 3500 pesos and she still tried him. Now her has lost both of us.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1876817]In the Sue last month. Gloria the chica I had 3 yr ago for my birthday present. She did her job but it was agreed all night. She faked stating her kids. I gave her the agreed 2000 and she started begging for more. I told her I was going to tell all my friends and ever speak to me again.[/QUOTE]When chicks beg for more money and call me tacano (cheap), I hit them back and call them codiciosa (greedy).

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1876642]Sorry Oakie, is that condescending or, do you mean to say that the intellectual heft of the "johns" are much higher? LOL. Granted the Johns have, in this case, more money compared to a third world island resident, at the lower end of the economic ladder but isn't it more like, "there but for the grace of God, go I"?[/QUOTE]Just as they say, "keepin' it real".

They are hookers and we, who need their sexual favors, are johns / tricks.

When a john / trick degrades a hooker, he degrades himself.

If he expects a bar hooker to keep promises, or even show up on time like his girlfriend back home, well. .

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1876817]Come on man. I was with you until this. What do we have to ripped off. Ain't her viginity.

She come to your room with nothing but pussy. She leaves with it every time. I have Never heard a guy screwing over a chica. A puta with try you. Point blank. You can be a international Vet that's fluent in Spanish. A puta will try you. Its their culture when dealing with foreigner. Try to get over.

In the Sue last month. Gloria the chica I had 3 yr ago for my birthday present. She did her job but it was agreed all night. She faked stating her kids. I gave her the agreed 2000 and she started begging for more. I told her I was going to tell all my friends and ever speak to me again. She apologized but we ever repeated. I seen her maybe 20 more times. We speak but never repeated. I introduced her to my Boi. She became apart of his rotation. That was until last trip. She tried him begging (really begging) for more money after the section. The was so upset because he gave her 3500 pesos and she still tried him. Now her has lost both of us.[/QUOTE]YMMV.

If you ever get to know a regular hooker well, maybe for the price of a Corona, she and her girlfriends will you regale you with tales, that will curl you hair. I know families there and have sadly seen the young ones graduate into the street life.

They are routinely abused and ripped off by local pimps and boyfriends, ripped off by so called girlfriends, bar staff and doormen, cops, taxi drivers, and the aforementioned drunk, newbie, asshole (or all three) mongers. Even normal guys that promise everything, and never show up. He was going to take her to a villa, so she borrowed money, fixed her hair and nails, bought a dress, came a long way on the bus, and he never showed. That's routine. Money is their only way out so you can see why they chase it zealously.

I would imagine, that most guys here sharing advice are cool and know how it works, maybe your buddies are cool too, (like I am) but you can't speak for all the guys that come through that airport, or even some who have posted stuff on this board.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1876993]YMMV.

If you ever get to know a regular hooker well, maybe for the price of a Corona, she and her girlfriends will you regale you with tales, that will curl you hair. I know families there and have sadly seen the young ones graduate into the street life.

They are routinely abused and ripped off by local pimps and boyfriends, ripped off by so called girlfriends, bar staff and doormen, cops, taxi drivers, and the aforementioned drunk, newbie, asshole (or all three) mongers. Even normal guys that promise everything, and never show up. He was going to take her to a villa, so she borrowed money, fixed her hair and nails, bought a dress, came a long way on the bus, and he never showed. That's routine. Money is their only way out so you can see why they chase it zealously.

I would imagine, that most guys here sharing advice are cool and know how it works, maybe your buddies are cool too, (like I am) but you can't speak for all the guys that come through that airport, or even some who have posted stuff on this board.[/QUOTE]I agree I have heard so many of the stories for so many years from so many people that I cannot believe that they are all made up. And yes I know the families and I have seen little girls grow up and enter the business.

Hey gents,

I'm a newbie to DR but been in the Rio scene. I wanted to know is If the pros and non pros are keen on "rear entry" and if so what's the proper way to ask?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1877007]I agree I have heard so many of the stories for so many years from so many people that I cannot believe that they are all made up. And yes I know the families and I have seen little girls grow up and enter the business.[/QUOTE]I'm not only talking about anecdotes. I have a few times been reluctantly placed in the Captain save a ho position, when we'd have to go to Cabarette to pick up a "cousin", who was left by the side of the street, or comforting a destitute out of town "cousin" who had been ripped off, and giving her a slice of pizza, and bus fare to get back home.

As for the idea that Dominican hotel staff (all "cousins", including the maids) who's entire livelihood depends on the business of prostitution, have a higher opinion of weekend gringo johns and tricks, than their fellow Dominicanas who are, yes, actually raising their babies, and sending money back to the barrio, well, that's not how life works in the real world :)

It's a sordid world in Sosua, and that's why I like having a regular from out of town, but who's family and friends all work in Sosua.

Not only does it guarantee good sex within your budget, over the years you can get to share the disappointments and the celebrations in their lives, and get to understand how it all works.

Highly recommended. Even more so, these days.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1877035]I'm not only talking about anecdotes. I have a few times been reluctantly placed in the Captain save a ho position, when we'd have to go to Cabarette to pick up a "cousin", who was left by the side of the street, or comforting a destitute out of town "cousin" who had been ripped off, and giving her a slice of pizza, and bus fare to get back home.

As for the idea that Dominican hotel staff (all "cousins", including the maids) who's entire livelihood depends on the business of prostitution, have a higher opinion of weekend gringo johns and tricks, than their fellow Dominicanas who are, yes, actually raising their babies, and sending money back to the barrio, well, that's not how life works in the real world :)

It's a sordid world in Sosua, and that's why I like having a regular from out of town, but who's family and friends all work in Sosua.

Not only does it guarantee good sex within your budget, over the years you can get to share the disappointments and the celebrations in their lives, and get to understand how it all works.

Highly recommended. Even more so, these days.[/QUOTE]Dominicans are all cousins and mongers are all bros. Blood is thicker than water!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1877038]Dominicans are all cousins and mongers are all bros. Blood is thicker than water![/QUOTE]If I leave it a few months between visits the first couple days are always interesting. The same people are now doing different jobs, laundry workers, concho drivers now with taxis, massage parlor workers, hotel cleaners and waiters, same folks always, different jobs.

The funniest one for me is the chica who works at N.Y. Pizza on the corner. 5 years ago she was working at the same spot, then called the Happy Bar, who would jump over the bar counter to get me on the dance floor as soon as I came in, and even before I could get a beer. Still the great chica, with the great smile, but now with a pristine white uniform.

But as you say, they are all connected by friends or family, and rely on each other for help in times of crisis.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1877052]If I leave it a few months between visits the first couple days are always interesting. The same people are now doing different jobs, laundry workers, concho drivers now with taxis, massage parlor workers, hotel cleaners and waiters, same folks always, different jobs.

The funniest one for me is the chica who works at N.Y. Pizza on the corner. 5 years ago she was working at the same spot, then called the Happy Bar, who would jump over the bar counter to get me on the dance floor as soon as I came in, and even before I could get a beer. Still the great chica, with the great smile, but now with a pristine white uniform.

But as you say, they are all connected by friends or family, and rely on each other for help in times of crisis.[/QUOTE]I have lived more than 40 years of my life in islands. Mainlanders have very little understanding of island cultures.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1876993]YMMV.

If you ever get to know a regular hooker well, maybe for the price of a Corona, she and her girlfriends will you regale you with tales, that will curl you hair. I know families there and have sadly seen the young ones graduate into the street life.

They are routinely abused and ripped off by local pimps and boyfriends, ripped off by so called girlfriends, bar staff and doormen, cops, taxi drivers, and the aforementioned drunk, newbie, asshole (or all three) mongers. Even normal guys that promise everything, and never show up. He was going to take her to a villa, so she borrowed money, fixed her hair and nails, bought a dress, came a long way on the bus, and he never showed. That's routine. Money is their only way out so you can see why they chase it zealously.
.[/QUOTE]I will be the last person to disagree with this statement. I'm pretty sure a lot of chicas have seen a lot of messed-up situation. Living the lifestyle of dealing with strangers from all areas of the globe or P4 P. However, the correlation of chicas running game, stealing, lying, rushing and / or faking on a Foreigner vs us getting over on them is an extreme large margin. Sort of like a male filing sexual harassment charges against his female boss. I will admit I'm not a pencil pushing analyst. Most of my experience comes from the field. In a lot of cases everyone is against the Gringo. Everyone wants his money and they are secure because they are in their country on their turf. When I am in Boca Chica or the Sue, I see many hit squads. Groups of chica looking to take advantage of whomever they can deceive. Their primary target you guessed it Gringos

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1877151]I will be the last person to disagree with this statement. I'm pretty sure a lot of chicas have seen a lot of messed-up situation. Living the lifestyle of dealing with strangers from all areas of the globe or P4 P. However, the correlation of chicas running game, stealing, lying, rushing and / or faking on a Foreigner vs us getting over on them is an extreme large margin. Sort of like a male filing sexual harassment charges against his female boss. I will admit I'm not a pencil pushing analyst. Most of my experience comes from the field. In a lot of cases everyone is against the Gringo. Everyone wants his money and they are secure because they are in their country on their turf. When I am in Boca Chica or the Sue, I see many hit squads. Groups of chica looking to take advantage of whomever they can deceive. Their primary target you guessed it Gringos[/QUOTE]Many "Hit squads" of chicas roaming the street to take advantage of gringos?

Think that might have any effect on tourism? I'd be the first to bail out.

And, it hasn't yet made the Sosua Book of Rules, at least ahead of "Always Use the Room Safe" or behind "Beware of Using Credit Cards.

Nah, Sosua and Boca are as safe as McDonalds if you use a little common sense.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1877179]

Nah, Sosua and Boca are as safe as McDonalds if you use a little common sense.[/QUOTE]Huh ok Oak. Newbies remember this quote. Write it on a piece of paper and when you get to the Sue. Burn it. The only similarities I see is when ordering. It takes no luck, negotiations, or skills to get a Happy Meal.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1877210]Huh ok Oak. Newbies remember this quote. Write it on a piece of paper and when you get to the Sue. Burn it. The only similarities I see is when ordering. It takes no luck, negotiations, or skills to get a Happy Meal.[/QUOTE]And McDonald's does not tell me one price before I eat the meal, then a higher price after I have eaten it.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1877210]Huh ok Oak. Newbies remember this quote. Write it on a piece of paper and when you get to the Sue. Burn it. The only similarities I see is when ordering. It takes no luck, negotiations, or skills to get a Happy Meal.[/QUOTE]LOL.

I did say you have to use common sense.

At least enough to select a trusted restaurant, over some dark clip joint, or some place off the beaten track where you follow a tout. Without common sense you can guarantee you will be paying more than you bargained for.

The selection process for putas is like that.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1877023] I wanted to know is If the pros and non pros are keen on "rear entry" and if so what's the proper way to ask?[/QUOTE]In my personal experiences and I can only speak of women known through the Internet (as against a street pick up), very few, perhaps less than 1% are into it. In general, women are scared to try. I have had luck on two occasions but then I had to withdraw as it was painful for them. On other instances, couple of women were OK for me to try but did not actively participate, rendering the whole exercise futile.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1877232]And McDonald's does not tell me one price before I eat the meal, then a higher price after I have eaten it.[/QUOTE]But that is because you pay before you eat. Anyway in Florida they will advertise 99 cents and charge you $1. 06, so you are wrong on all counts.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1877270]But that is because you pay before you eat. Anyway in Florida they will advertise 99 cents and charge you $1. 06, so you are wrong on all counts.[/QUOTE]Wrong again. They advertise 99 cents and they charge you 99 cents. The government charges you 7 cents to bring your total to $1.06.

I had one chica from Sosua who met me in SD. She insisted on being fucked in the ass. She genuinely loved back door action. It was a thrill for me as well. On other occasions SW have offered back door as an option. It can be had but you have to troll for it. I would not want a lady who did not enjoy it. I never knew women who like it so I never pursued it. It is still not on my menu but if chica lets me know she enjoys it I can go.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1877246]In my personal experiences and I can only speak of women known through the Internet (as against a street pick up), very few, perhaps less than 1% are into it. In general, women are scared to try. I have had luck on two occasions but then I had to withdraw as it was painful for them. On other instances, couple of women were OK for me to try but did not actively participate, rendering the whole exercise futile.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1877319]I had one chica from Sosua who met me in SD. She insisted on being fucked in the ass. She genuinely loved back door action. It was a thrill for me as well. On other occasions SW have offered back door as an option. It can be had but you have to troll for it. I would not want a lady who did not enjoy it. I never knew women who like it so I never pursued it. It is still not on my menu but if chica lets me know she enjoys it I can go.[/QUOTE]Old Kool anytime a SW offers ass it's a setup to lure you in. She doesn't know you and is telling you extremes. Anytime a Chica tells you extremes don't trust her. Understand the hustle.

[QUOTE=Gzilla;1877023]Hey gents,

I'm a newbie to DR but been in the Rio scene. I wanted to know is If the pros and non pros are keen on "rear entry" and if so what's the proper way to ask?[/QUOTE]Very few are keen on anal. Doggie, yes, if you want to approach from the rear. Ask politely. Consider men as an alternative.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1877302]Wrong again. They advertise 99 cents and they charge you 99 cents. The government charges you 7 cents to bring your total to $1.06.[/QUOTE]They have the option to include taxes in the advertised price, but they choose not to to make it look like the prices is lower. When you buy gasoline tax is included in the price advertised. In England McDonalds does charge advertised price. In Florida, no.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1877302]Wrong again. They advertise 99 cents and they charge you 99 cents. The government charges you 7 cents to bring your total to $1.06.[/QUOTE]And they still tell you the full retail price for giving you your purchase.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1877302]Wrong again. They advertise 99 cents and they charge you 99 cents. The government charges you 7 cents to bring your total to $1.06.[/QUOTE]Anyway the issue is not really McDonalds. But whether businesses in the US use deceptive pricing pitches and upselling tactics, and they do. A friend of mine thought he was getting Internet service from AT&T for $60 per month and got a bill for almost $200, so dropped the plan. Maybe he was stupid and naive, but there was organized trickery involved. So, yes, hookers will often try to screw you over, but that is business everywhere. My last airport parking was advertised at $4 per day, but they charged $6 when you got there. Boo-hoo.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1877319]I had one chica from Sosua who met me in SD. She insisted on being fucked in the ass. She genuinely loved back door action. It was a thrill for me as well. On other occasions SW have offered back door as an option. It can be had but you have to troll for it. I would not want a lady who did not enjoy it. I never knew women who like it so I never pursued it. It is still not on my menu but if chica lets me know she enjoys it I can go.[/QUOTE]It was a thrill for you to be asked, but is still not on your menu. Huh?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1877347]Old Kool anytime a SW offers ass it's a setup to lure you in. She doesn't know you and is telling you extremes. Anytime a Chica tells you extremes don't trust her. Understand the hustle.[/QUOTE]When I was in GBP in the capital I asked the girl if she would give me BBBJ and she said of course. I said don't bullshit me now. Don't tell me one thing here then when we get to the room you change. She said well I have to tell you yes to get you to go to the room. I took her anyway and she ended up licking me from the rooter to the tooter.

She was very good in bed but she would drain me. When she was done I could do any other girls. I had to leave her alone so I could explore other girls.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1877533]It was a thrill for you to be asked, but is still not on your menu. Huh?[/QUOTE]

Bait and switch does happen but back door is not an unusual request. These girls are often pros. They fuck for a living if you are carrying like you are not a sucker they generally will try to please you. The scoundrels will be what they are. Part of picking the girls is weeding out the bad ones.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1877347]Old Kool anytime a SW offers ass it's a setup to lure you in. She doesn't know you and is telling you extremes. Anytime a Chica tells you extremes don't trust her. Understand the hustle.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1877533]It was a thrill for you to be asked, but is still not on your menu. Huh?[/QUOTE]I'm with OldKool here.

I don't care for anal, or deep kissing, but it is a thrill to be asked.

It means she is giving up everything she has for you. Total submission. Nothing saved for the chulo. Must be love, right? LOL.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1877585]I'm with OldKool here.

I don't care for anal, or deep kissing, but it is a thrill to be asked.

It means she is giving up everything she has for you. Total submission. Nothing saved for the chulo. Must be love, right? LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm confused with Frannie. I don't care for anal. So when someone offers it to me I get no thrills. And if she offers it without me asking for it then I know it's her MO. It's the sex she prefers. If I can I will counter her offer by cutting the price. Keep your ass and giving me the pussy that I want.

I'm "Dead man walking", it's the prison term for guys walking to the execution chambers. I'm headed to the airport in SDQ after an island hop with a board member for 7 days. He had never been to Sosua, Puerto plata, and Boca Chica. Even though my " Old Sosua" is gone, let me say we had a blast. I'm headed to the airport feeling drained and guilty because no one should have the fun we had.

I even ran into Brother P as he tried to sneak in a Sosua quickly before Colombia. The rate now is 45.70. The new road going from SD to Sosua was smooth. And the ride down the coast from Nagua through Gaspar Hernandez, Río Sanjuan was improved.

I'm going to let the board member lead out as not to step on his toes. He will probably save some details for the "Gogo forum" to save the arguments here.

Stay tuned.

Shout out goes to Mr. GoGo for showing me the north coast and being a consummate host and tour guide. That brother is so smooth all he needs is a martini shaken not stirred. We hit Puerto Plata, Cabarete, The Sue and BC. To say we had too much fun would be a understatement.

The trip was worth every minute and every peso I spent. I honestly saw none of the negativity about Sosua that I read about here. The place has it's unique charms. I arrived not really looking for anything, extremely sceptical and in my sociological observation mode. I left a full participant and fully understanding why there is such a wide range of opinions on the place.

I loved it for my own unique set of reasons that will not go into here. I can't recommend it for everyone, but depending upon what you are looking for, from my perspective it has a lot to offer.

Mr. GoGo: Dead man walking? Ah hell nah! Your sentence has been commuted. They way I see it, you are just on a work release program until you finish serving your sentence. LOL.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1876712]I'd imagine if you have $1500 - $2000 per month to live off of, you'd live like a fat King down there.[/QUOTE]And you would be right.

Living like a straight grand jefe (Big Boss) similar to me. My main girl calls me Prince. But the only thing PHAT on me is those lovely Dominican and Haitian asses riding my dick reverse cowgirl style.

Don't hate the player, hate the game!

[QUOTE=Bravo;1876687]I was speaking more in terms of a chica who decides to trash the room over a dispute. I think the original poster said his girl slammed the TV to the ground when they had a disagreement. I would imagine that management wouldn't be too happy with a girl who destroys their property, especially if the client decides he wants to fight the charges. (I know, I know. In the DR, he probably won't have any choice when it comes to paying for the bill. But I serious doubt managent will allow a chica who has a rep for going on a rampage to continue to come on their property.).[/QUOTE]A chica being extremely disruptive and / or destroying property, I can see why a hotel would want to ban her from a hotel. I totally get that, and agree. At the same time, I'm also aware that some disagreements don't escalate to that level, and yet some mongers are looking for empathy or assistance in dealing with a chica. Like one flipping the script on the price and refusing to leave. In those instances, a chica refusing to leave may not be looked upon as her being disruptive. At least not enough to get banned.

In enough instances, hotel staff and security are usually standing there doing nothing like they have doubts about who to believe. I was just saying. A typical monger would probably want her banned, OR told to hit the road, or have her escorted away from the premises. Something not likely to happen. In other words, I'm sure enough mongers would want chicas banned or escorted away just for trying to con a dude out of more money, and then refusing to leave. Apparently refusing to leave or conning a dude is not a bannable offense until she gets extremely disruptive.

I know a lot of the freelancers establishments tend to start opening toward the afternoon, but are there any establishments that operate like strip clubs / brothels still open. I know CMP and Passions have been closed for a while but was wondering if anything similar has opened up.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1878941]The trip was worth every minute and every peso I spent. I honestly saw none of the negativity about Sosua that I read about here. The place has it's unique charms. I arrived not really looking for anything, extremely sceptical and in my sociological observation mode. I left a full participant and fully understanding why there is such a wide range of opinions on the place.

I loved it for my own unique set of reasons that will not go into here. I can't recommend it for everyone, but depending upon what you are looking for, from my perspective it has a lot to offer.[/QUOTE]Speaking like a true sex tourist.

How did you explain your Sosua trip to the elite circles you run with in SD?

Glad you had a good time though. I'd be bored too with only 10's in my SD harem; it's necessary to slum it once in a while with 5's and 6's in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1879636]Speaking like a true sex tourist. .[/QUOTE]Mr. Parkinsons, let me help you with your English. The definition of sex, when used as a noun, is "(chiefly with reference to people) sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse". The definition of a tourist, when used as a noun, is "a person who is traveling or visiting a place for pleasure".

My trip was neither for sex nor for pleasure. You made an ASSumption that was invalid. Had you PM'ed me before writing your satirical post I could have saved you the embarrassment. If you don't know now you know.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1879636]How did you explain your Sosua trip to the elite circles you run with in SD? .[/QUOTE]First of all, my circles are indeed elite. That might be one of the reasons I never see you in them. Second, I am a Grand Jefe aqui (big boss here). And because of that I need not explain anything to anyone. If YOU ever reach that point in life then hopefully you will understand. Until then simply use your imagination. Third, you left out the part "We hit Puerto Plata, Cabarete, The Sue and BC". Is it a reading comprehension issue with you or did you just happen to overlook that part of my post? Three of those four destinations are perfectly acceptable among my elite circles (your words). Forgive me if I committed the sin of omission and forgot to mention one when asked about my trip. LOL. Fourth, I am a distributor for Grownman's hair business and a photographer. I took some great pictures and every chica I talked to about my hair wanted to see it. I had to take a few to the room and show them in person. LOL.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1879636]I'd be bored too with only 10's in my SD harem; .[/QUOTE]I'm not sure where you got the idea that I only have 10's in my harem in Santo Domingo. Nothing could be further from the case. In my current harem the line up consists of 10,8,7. And I'm not bored my man (another bad ASSumption by you). There is a difference between sex with working girls and sex with my harem girls. What that difference is an exercise left to the reader.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1879636]it's necessary to slum it once in a while with 5's and 6's in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Maybe for you Mr. Parkinsons. I'm certain you are projecting your paradigm onto me. IF you were trying to say the talent level that you encounter is in the 5 or 6 range or that because of genetic or personality deficiencies that's all you can pull, then just say that. And I'll understand.

Not that this was easy but I never saw Mr. GoGo with anything less than a 7 when he happened to have a chica accompanying him. And his chicas certainly did not fit the profile (so to speak). As for me I don't ever have a need to interact with a chica below a 7. Quality over quantity my man. I can do this because I am not a sexual tourist (reference is made to my early definition) and because I don't have plane to catch. LOL.

Holla at your boy next time you are in country and headed North and I'll show you how it's done in a more elite and distinguished manner. LOL. You have a good serve Mr. Parkinsons. But your backhand is weak.

Game, Set, Match to Mr. Subcmdr.

Now, do you have a sense of humor Mr. Parkionsons? If so, then you will take this in the spirit that it was written. If not, I can pick you one up used here and have for you the next time you are in country. I'll even fire up the Grand Jefe Mobile and drive north to deliver it for you. Because that's just how I happen to roll!

Let's continue to entertain the board members, shall we Mr. Parkinsons?

I appreciate the fact that you are voracious reader of my posts. Thank you! But your responses, although humorous, illustrate to me that you have a severe reading comprehension problem. I understand that you enjoy being critical of my use of language, in both English and Spanish, to hide this deficiency in your intellectual abilities. You are not unique in this aspect. Many others on this board do the same. Welcome to the club. LOL!

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1880224]I can understand you are too embarrassed to admit because you have to protect the image that you've built up, that you don't do P4 P because you are a "grand jefe" (correct Spanish should be "jefe grande". Although that's going to be another one of your Spanglish expressions that doesn't exist in Spanish.). .[/QUOTE]"Grand jefe" is an expression used here by Dominicans everywhere. I understand why you don't know this. It's because you don't really know this country. If you did you would also know the extensive use of "Spanglish as you refer to it" that has invaded Dominican Spanish. Why your experience is so limited is an exercise for you to figure out. Yes, "jefe grande" is indeed the correct Spanish. But if you consult any of the local Spanish Professors found on this board you will find the Spanish spoken in the Dominican Republic is not correct. But if your earholes are so offended by bad Spanish then maybe you should change your destination to someplace where they speak perfect Castilian Spanish like Northern and Central Spain. LMFAO!

Never said I don't see working girls. But I have no need to see them in Santo Domingo. That was another bad ASSumption on your part. No embarrassment here. To be embarrassed about my activities and then post them here defies logic. And I have plenty of that.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1880224]A while back you were adamant that you only have 8 - 10's in your harem. It's encouraging that now you've already lowered your standard to 7's. Give it some more time you'll get to 5's and 6's soon! I am honest enough to say that I have done 5's and 6's. Then of course as you said, beauty is different to everyone. My 5's and 6's are probably your 8's and 9's. .[/QUOTE]There you go again Mr. Parkinsons. Lying on your dick and projecting your paradigm onto me. Things change and now a chicas personality matters more to me. You have to factor that in when you are doing more than just paying to fuck for a ST or TLN. Now, I'm not sure why you would pay to fuck 5's and 6's but hey like I said it's your money and your life.

But if you want an idea of what the women of my harem look like ask, Grownman, Mr. GoGo, BQRibs or FibMac31. You want an idea of what the working girls looked like ask Mr. GoGo. You see, I share pictures with my friends here on the board. Since you haven't seen them then you know your status with me.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1880224]For instance, I don't intend to tell you how to live your life. My disagreement was not with how much you're paying your girls, what kind of gifts you are giving.. I just feel it's pointless that you come on an international monger board and repeatedly denounce international mongering (sex tourism)You are living in the DR as an sexpat (the word is an amalgram of "sex" and "expatriate". Nobody ever says "sexual expat", by the way.) [/QUOTE]That's incorrect use of punctuation in your post my man. Only one period is needed. Isn't Sexual Tourism the proper use of English? But I digress. I do find it interesting that you think my posts are pointless but you still feel the need to read them and comment on them. LOL!

No, you only intend to make ASSumptions about how I live my life and why I live it the way I do. How you came to understand why I live here defies logic. You have never said a word to me via PM before. The ones that have know that I moved here to expand my photography business and that I have recently become a hair distributor. If you don't know now you know.

I never denounced sex tourism. For proof of that read my tread (slowly and carefully this time). If you feel that is what I'm doing it must stem from your own internal guilt and embarrassment about your personal activities. There are mental heath professionals that can help you with that. Talk to them.

I feel that you, and the others like you, are the equivalent of the "one week millionaires" that pass through Las Vegas. You are good for the economy of the Dominican Republic. You provide jobs for the independent contractors and infuse hard currency into the economy. Since most of the activities involve consenting adults, I consider them harmless. There are working girls in every country of world the only difference is price. I thank you, and the others like you, for everything you do the help the chicas out. ROTFLMAO!

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1880224]The difference between you and others is that you live there full time. You do not operate from a moral high ground.[/QUOTE]No my man there is a bigger difference than that.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. " - Theodore Roosevelt.

You are a critic. I am a man in the arena.

Now this has been a fun mental exercise. But it has not added any knowledge about Sosua nor provided any tips. At least in my initial post that you took issue with I reported that:

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1878941]The trip was worth every minute and every peso I spent. I honestly saw none of the negativity about Sosua that I read about here. The place has it's unique charms. I arrived not really looking for anything, extremely sceptical and in my sociological observation mode. I left a full participant and fully understanding why there is such a wide range of opinions on the place.

I loved it for my own unique set of reasons that will not go into here. I can't recommend it for everyone, but depending upon what you are looking for, from my perspective it has a lot to offer.[/QUOTE]My only embarrassment was giving you a forum for your negativity. You need to relax. Go to Sosua. Get laid again. Write a trip report. And everything will be right in the world with you again. SMH & LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1880395]Let's continue to entertain the board members, shall we Mr. Parkinsons?

I appreciate the fact that you are voracious reader of my posts. Thank you! But your responses, although humorous, illustrate to me that you have a severe reading comprehension problem. I understand that you enjoy being critical of my use of language, in both English and Spanish, to hide this deficiency in your intellectual abilities. You are not unique in this aspect. Many others on this board do the same. Welcome to the club. LOL!

"Grand jefe" is an expression used here by Dominicans everywhere. I understand why you don't know this. It's because you don't really know this country. If you did you would also know the extensive use of "Spanglish as you refer to it" that has invaded Dominican Spanish. Why your experience is so limited is an exercise for you to figure out. Yes, "jefe grande" is indeed the correct Spanish. But if you consult any of the local Spanish Professors found on this board you will find the Spanish spoken in the Dominican Republic is not correct. But if your earholes are so offended by bad Spanish then maybe you should change your destination to someplace where they speak perfect Castilian Spanish like Northern and Central Spain. LMFAO!

Never said I don't see working girls. But I have no need to see them in Santo Domingo. That was another bad ASSumption on your part. No embarrassment here. To be embarrassed about my activities and then post them here defies logic. And I have plenty of that.

There you go again Mr. Parkinsons. Lying on your dick and projecting your paradigm onto me. Things change and now a chicas personality matters more to me. You have to factor that in when you are doing more than just paying to fuck for a ST or TLN. Now, I'm not sure why you would pay to fuck 5's and 6's but hey like I said it's your money and your life.

But if you want an idea of what the women of my harem look like ask, Grownman, Mr. GoGo, BQRibs or FibMac31. You want an idea of what the working girls looked like ask Mr. GoGo. You see, I share pictures with my friends here on the board. Since you haven't seen them then you know your status with me.

That's incorrect use of punctuation in your post my man. Only one period is needed. Isn't Sexual Tourism the proper use of English? But I digress. I do find it interesting that you think my posts are pointless but you still feel the need to read them and comment on them. LOL!

No, you only intend to make ASSumptions about how I live my life and why I live it the way I do. How you came to understand why I live here defies logic. You have never said a word to me via PM before. The ones that have know that I moved here to expand my photography business and that I have recently become a hair distributor. If you don't know now you know.

I never denounced sex tourism. For proof of that read my tread (slowly and carefully this time). If you feel that is what I'm doing it must stem from your own internal guilt and embarrassment about your personal activities. There are mental heath professionals that can help you with that. Talk to them.

I feel that you, and the others like you, are the equivalent of the "one week millionaires" that pass through Las Vegas. You are good for the economy of the Dominican Republic. You provide jobs for the independent contractors and infuse hard currency into the economy. Since most of the activities involve consenting adults, I consider them harmless. There are working girls in every country of world the only difference is price. I thank you, and the others like you, for everything you do the help the chicas out. ROTFLMAO!

No my man there is a bigger difference than that.

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. " - Theodore Roosevelt.

You are a critic. I am a man in the arena.

Now this has been a fun mental exercise. But it has not added any knowledge about Sosua nor provided any tips. At least in my initial post that you took issue with I reported that:

My only embarrassment was giving you a forum for your negativity. You need to relax. Go to Sosua. Get laid again. Write a trip report. And everything will be right in the world with you again. SMH & LOL.[/QUOTE]This was said on another thread, but it bears repeating. You never seem to miss an opportunity to promote the wonder and beauty that is you.

Checking the six months you have been posting, totalling just over 100 posts, most of those have been arguments and ego inflation exercises. There are few major posters on the boards you have not argued with. Frannie, Tempoecorto, even those you have kissed and made up with, like Mr Gogo and GrownMan1. You have wasted no time in lecturing people with close to 1000,2000, or even 3000 posts. You have 5 pages of posts, mostly arguments, objections to having your Spanish corrected, and crowing about your expertise from living in the DR for 2 years. I, for just one example, have 300 pages of posts dating back to 2004 and I have to listen to smack about your expertise?

It could be that most of the other posters on the board have an inflated self image, an ego that can't abide correction, and a confrontational style that always demeans others, but its more likely its you, amigo.

GrownMan1 in a post to you.

To be honest at 11:27 Feb the 16 Mr. G whatsapp me about your Blog and said he was going to give you his take and help support you in your new Blog. I replied at the same time SubCmdr opened a new blog. He must be tired of taking to the man in the mirror and needs an audience. I'm trying to like him but I see our characters collide. Before I comment or support, I am going to chill because you have a history of taking an offense to peoples comments who are not try to offend you.

He pegged you pretty well.

Seriously, Try to avoid this habit of demeaning all others while inflating your ego. You sound like Donald Trump. I AM THE GREATEST -BLANK. I HAVE THE GREATEST BLANK.

There are others on the boards who also live in the DR, most longer than you, yet somehow, they manage to avoid the constant sarcasm, offensive manner, and constant self-love.

As evidenced by the recent exchange you had with Parkinson, people tire of hearing about your perfection. There are too many examples of this in your six month board presence for the space allowed. (And I could list the examples for you. Its a long list, my friend). One gets the impression that if you had the flexibility, you would fellate yourself.

As a resident, you can certainly provide your insights, but don't presume you are unique. That is arrogance.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880620]There are others on the boards who also live in the DR, most longer than you, yet somehow, they manage to avoid the constant sarcasm, offensive manner, and constant self-love.
[/QUOTE]You dedicated a lot of your precious time to a persona that might best be termed as a verbose exercise in "narcissism"; barely worth it.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1880620]This was said on another thread, but it bears repeating.[/QUOTE]Actually Mr. Yanqui69 it does not. I will not waste the time of the board members by making a almost identical post here like you did. Those who are interested will find my reply in the thread Politics in the Dominican Republic.

Why did you do that Mr. Yanqui69? Afraid enough people won't read your message down in "the hole" where I reside most of the time? I know it's very important to you, but you need to take one off your post count. Lo siento por ti. Take it easy.

Flag on the play. Personal Foul: Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards. First down!

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1880746]Is this argument really necessary, or useful to anybody else reading this? Can someone instead write a post about how they like to move back and forth between Sosua and Cabarete and work both angles, you know for the benefit of those who haven't been there? I don't think anyone reading this is getting any real insight out of this petty argument.[/QUOTE]It is sad, as usual. Nobody post a trip report, but plenty of useless arguments!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1880796]It is sad, as usual. Nobody post a trip report, but plenty of useless arguments![/QUOTE]What do you call this Mr. Tomjackin?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1878941]Shout out goes to Mr. GoGo for showing me the north coast and being a consummate host and tour guide. That brother is so smooth all he needs is a martini shaken not stirred. We hit Puerto Plata, Cabarete, The Sue and BC. To say we had too much fun would be a understatement.

The trip was worth every minute and every peso I spent. I honestly saw none of the negativity about Sosua that I read about here. The place has it's unique charms. I arrived not really looking for anything, extremely sceptical and in my sociological observation mode. I left a full participant and fully understanding why there is such a wide range of opinions on the place.

I loved it for my own unique set of reasons that will not go into here. I can't recommend it for everyone, but depending upon what you are looking for, from my perspective it has a lot to offer.

Mr. GoGo: Dead man walking? Ah hell nah! Your sentence has been commuted. They way I see it, you are just on a work release program until you finish serving your sentence. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1880746]Can someone instead write a post about how they like to move back and forth between Sosua and Cabarete and work both angles, you know for the benefit of those who haven't been there? I don't think anyone reading this is getting any real insight out of this petty argument.[/QUOTE]I agree that is not necessary. But the real question is why you don't travel to both places and write the trip report yourself? Take it from me having experienced both places myself the trip reports that I read before venturing forth on my first visit left much to be desired.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1880746]Is this argument really necessary, or useful to anybody else reading this? Can someone instead write a post about how they like to move back and forth between Sosua and Cabarete and work both angles, you know for the benefit of those who haven't been there? I don't think anyone reading this is getting any real insight out of this petty argument.[/QUOTE]I believe OldKool has written a few reports about his travels between Sosua and Cabarete. Surfer also might have a few.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;1881038]How do you know I'm not going to? But the point of this thread, as stated at the top of the page is "Sousa Reports", a place where we can read reports about trips to Sousa. If we can't read trip reports, what is the point of this thread?

No, the real question is why are you filling up the forums with your pointless arguments and rants, which do nothing to enlighten us? All you are doing is getting put on ignore by more and more readers (hint hint).[/QUOTE]I filed my trip report on Sosua. I'm not the one starting the arguments nor am I ranting. If you don't find anything that I write to be useful follow the crowd of sheep and put me on ignore with the rest. You won't be missing anything or will you?

I use the publico across the street from metro bus. The cars are in que in load and go. There is one road that runs through Caberetti. For the return trip the same cars can be easily hailed. The cost is 50 pesos each way. You have to sit with locals but I enjoy the rides. It takes 15 to 20 minutes for the trips. The cars do not make many stops.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1880224]By your logic, should we not fry our eggs in iron skillets but ironic skillets? [/QUOTE]I chortled on the irony of the ironic skillets. Jajaja!

On a forum where some can't get the spelling in their mother tongue right, some now bring in the matter of punctuation. What next, a "tut tut" in reference to scrabble and the Thesaurus?

[QUOTE=OldKool;1881100]I use the publico across the street from metro bus. The cars are in que in load and go. There is one road that runs through Caberetti. For the return trip the same cars can be easily hailed. The cost is 50 pesos each way. You have to sit with locals but I enjoy the rides. It takes 15 to 20 minutes for the trips. The cars do not make many stops.[/QUOTE]I've seen rthe cars lines up. Are there signs saying what cars go where?

In a forum where some claim experience is related to post count, I find it interesting that they can't use the basic quote function to provide a clear and legible response. In a forum where people post messages with spelling, grammar and punctuation errors daily, I find it interesting that some people only choose to point out the mistakes of certain other people.

What's next? The use of purported dick length to establish the quality and validity of posts?

[QUOTE=Grandnash84;1881339]I've seen the cars lines up. Are there signs saying what cars go where?[/QUOTE]Looking from the filling station on other side of the road, there is a large open shelter with a curved roof. Cars there all go to Puerto Plata. To the left (east) is a smaller garage. Cars leave from here to Cabarete.

They wait until the car is packed like sardines (two in the front bucket seat meant for one, and four in the back meant for three) before leaving. For more comfort, you can buy both places in the front. (Even at double the price, still a lot cheaper than a taxi).

They do not have fixed stops. They will stop anywhere along their route on request. If your Spanish is up to it, you can negotiate minor diversions off the route for an extra propina.

Incidentally, if you do need a taxi (a group of guys, or you have luggage), you can negotiate one of these "publicos" a lot cheaper than a private taxi. For example, 500 pesos to Puerto Plata rather than 1000.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1881424]Looking from the filling station on other side of the road, there is a large open shelter with a curved roof. Cars there all go to Puerto Plata. To the left (east) is a smaller garage. Cars leave from here to Cabarete.

They wait until the car is packed like sardines (two in the front bucket seat meant for one, and four in the back meant for three) before leaving. For more comfort, you can buy both places in the front. (Even at double the price, still a lot cheaper than a taxi).

They do not have fixed stops. They will stop anywhere along their route on request. If your Spanish is up to it, you can negotiate minor diversions off the route for an extra propina.

Incidentally, if you do need a taxi (a group of guys, or you have luggage), you can negotiate one of these "publicos" a lot cheaper than a private taxi. For example, 500 pesos to Puerto Plata rather than 1000.[/QUOTE]Correct me if I'm wrong but all of the cars that run between Sosua and Pto Pta have red signs on top of the car and the ones that run between Sosua and Cabarete have yellow ones, easy to differentiate.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1881419]In a forum where some claim experience is related to post count, I find it interesting that they can't use the basic quote function to provide a clear and legible response. In a forum where people post messages with spelling, grammar and punctuation errors daily, I find it interesting that some people only choose to point out the mistakes of certain other people.

What's next? The use of purported dick length to establish the quality and validity of posts?[/QUOTE]We did actually have a guy here that claimed all the putas he fucked, were in multiple orgiastic ectasy all night, and forever greatful.

Never did share his secret, though! .

[QUOTE=Oakie;1881549]We did actually have a guy here that claimed all the putas he fucked, were in multiple orgiastic ectasy all night, and forever greatful.

Never did share his secret, though! .[/QUOTE]His secret was a special medicine which he took, called "self-delusion. ".

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1881488]Correct me if I'm wrong but all of the cars that run between Sosua and Pto Pta have red signs on top of the car and the ones that run between Sosua and Cabarete have yellow ones, easy to differentiate.[/QUOTE]When I was using the Pto Pta run frequently, day and night, the Pto Pta publicos used to have yellow (illuminated) signs with the word "Nocturno" after dark (when the price went up 5 pesos).

I never worked out if the drivers just switched the signs or whether this was a different set of drivers and vehicles for the "after-dark" business.

Not sure if that still applies or whether it ever applied for the Cabarete route. But you cannot go wrong. They never use each others "paradas" (cab-ranks) and they are not allowed to work each other's routes as they have to pay a substantial fee for the franchise.

While we are on the subject, I wonder if anyone can enlighten me? I have said they will make a small detour for a propina. The most common detour coming from Pto Pta is through the centre of Montellano on request. I am not sure if they charge extra to do that? I have ridden that route a thousand times or more, and about 10% of the time they make that detour, so I have seen it at least 100 times. I have obviously made the return trip from Sosua to Puerto Plata a thousand or more times, but never once experienced a detour through Montellano going in that direction. Why is that?

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1881424]Looking from the filling station on other side of the road, there is a large open shelter with a curved roof. Cars there all go to Puerto Plata. To the left (east) is a smaller garage. Cars leave from here to Cabarete.

They wait until the car is packed like sardines (two in the front bucket seat meant for one, and four in the back meant for three) before leaving. For more comfort, you can buy both places in the front. (Even at double the price, still a lot cheaper than a taxi).

They do not have fixed stops. They will stop anywhere along their route on request. If your Spanish is up to it, you can negotiate minor diversions off the route for an extra propina.

Incidentally, if you do need a taxi (a group of guys, or you have luggage), you can negotiate one of these "publicos" a lot cheaper than a private taxi. For example, 500 pesos to Puerto Plata rather than 1000.[/QUOTE]Thanks goona try that next time, but where do you catch it in caberate?

Post the pussy, not the cock and bull. Jaja.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1880796]It is sad, as usual. Nobody post a trip report, but plenty of useless arguments![/QUOTE]

Hot as shit down there. Sun is powerful during the day. Cools off nicely at night.

The election fucked up the game a little bit. 95% of everything, and I do mean everything was closed. Grocery stores, liquor stores, all the clubs, all the businesses. All closed. You know what dee latin looks like at night when the rest of the strip is jumping? Imagine the entire strip looking like dee latin. I got in on Saturday night, and my local contacts told me that everything would be shut down from 6 pm Saturday to 6 pm Sunday, and that everyone had the day off for the election on Sunday. Still a few hoes out, but I would venture to guess not more than 25-50 tops. Gogo and E warned in the past that changes in sosua should have you keep some girls on file, and this was one of those times. Girls would come if you called, but wouldn't come out otherwise. Cops and military riding up and down the street all night to make sure businesses were closed.

I see Rocky's has a sign out front with rates for short stays. I'm not sure if this was always the case, but sharing in case it's useful to anyone else. Sure beats having to go to dulce secreto.

Went back to bourbon street. Traffic is up at that place. Good interview spot, and good spot to watch the traffic. Better than the rumba chicken man, because the girls cannot just walk into the restaurant. You have to arrive with them, or invite them in. Gumbo was good, and burger was off the chain. Like eating a steakburger at longhorn. Terra linda pizza excellent as usual, steak is good. You got to order that shit well done or that shit will moo when you get it. I see they fixed their sign with the spelling error. I have attached the old sign for everyones amusement.

Monday, shit got rolling again, and life was back to normal. Good new crop of girls, and I tried to sample them all.

Good report Sir, thanks for sharing.

Forgot to mention. I almost died laughing when I hit immigration at POP. I saw a sign on the wall and between the pictures and my limited spanish, I figured that it says that you are not to pay immigration officers any money.

Then I walk up to the counter, and every immigration station has a brand new samsung camera pointed at the agent, and shure microphone mounted on the counter. I wanted to take a picture, but taking photos in ANY customs hall is unwise, and get you some nice bracelets.

I guess that's the end for agents passing notes to incoming mongers asking for a propina or regalo. It happened to me about 2 years ago but I kept my composure because someone forewarned this board that it was happening. So to whoever wrote that, thanks. And for everyone else. You can rest assured that there is just one less place you'll get fucked after you touch down. Jaja.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1882154]Forgot to mention. I almost died laughing when I hit immigration at POP. I saw a sign on the wall and between the pictures and my limited spanish, I figured that it says that you are not to pay immigration officers any money.

Then I walk up to the counter, and every immigration station has a brand new samsung camera pointed at the agent, and shure microphone mounted on the counter. I wanted to take a picture, but taking photos in ANY customs hall is unwise, and get you some nice bracelets.

I guess that's the end for agents passing notes to incoming mongers asking for a propina or regalo. It happened to me about 2 years ago but I kept my composure because someone forewarned this board that it was happening. So to whoever wrote that, thanks. And for everyone else. You can rest assured that there is just one less place you'll get fucked after you touch down. Jaja.[/QUOTE]I hit Sosua in April 2015. I heard in advance how rough Immigration and Customs officials were at POP with mongers and tourists, so I looked into alternatives. I flew round-trip to Santiago (STI) via American Airlines and saved about $300 on the airfare by not flying round-trip into POP. A taxi from STI to Sosua was $90 and took an hour. Immigration and Customs were so laid-back at STI it was almost as if they weren't there.

[QUOTE=ReadyToGetOnIt;1882154]I walk up to the counter, and every immigration station has a brand new samsung camera pointed at the agent, and shure microphone mounted on the counter. I wanted to take a picture, but taking photos in ANY customs hall is unwise, and get you some nice bracelets.

I guess that's the end for agents passing notes to incoming mongers asking for a propina or regalo.[/QUOTE]Excellent information Mr. ReadyToGetOnIt. Much prefered to the posts from critics with no trips reports but who have something to say about the people who have filed them.

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1882248]Personally I get tired of the non trip reports bullshit discussion in the SOSUA REPORTS thread.

We need a thread called, "I don't have any trip reports, but my opinion on other stupid shit is more important! .[/QUOTE]There is a long list of posters here that would love that section. We all know who needs to post there. You are senior member why don't you start it on their behalf?

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On my last trip I came across a girl I had a session with. I recalled the session being good and I had a her on my repeat list. She is an older fair-skinned Dominican. I will give her about 30 years old. I told her in After 1 if don't see anything I will repeat with her and took her number. Well I came across something so I saw her the next day. I decided to give her a session. I remember her being laid back and appreciative. She talked about the beautiful dresses I gave her. I told her my payments are the same. 1000 Pesos and if there's no problem 1500. If you are good you get to 1500 plus and gift. She remembered and we were off. Nice body as always and she really turned me on. I asked her for a BJ and she said only with a condom. I told her I do not want a CBJ. She then replied it's to protect the both of us. I told her I respect her and understood so she can keep her BJ. Then I said to myself how the hell did I put her on my repeat list and she doesn't give BBBJ. We jump into the session and it was good. I mean she was very tight however she did not fight me. She wanted to kiss but I'm in sosua. Nice solid 8 1/2 as far as the sex goes we put in work. When it was time to leave I gave her two thousand pesos. She then asked me did I have any of those beautiful dresses. I told her yes however I don't give dresses to females who refused to give me everything I want. She said she was so disappointed. I told her now she knows how my dick felt when she said only CBJ. Had you told me that prior you would have never made it back to my room. I told her her sex was good enough to repeat again but not for 2000 pesos and a gift.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1882801]On my last trip I came across a girl I had a session with. I recalled the session being good and I had a her on my repeat list. She is an older fair-skinned Dominican. I will give her about 30 years old. I told her in After 1 if don't see anything I will repeat with her and took her number.[/QUOTE]That is a damn sight different than guys running and hiding from chicks who they have previously paid to fuck. I will never understand that one.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1882801]On She said she was so disappointed. I told her now she knows how my dick felt when she said only CBJ. Had you told me that prior you would have never made it back to my room. I told her her sex was good enough to repeat again but not for 2000 pesos and a gift.[/QUOTE]On my last trip to Sosua, about 90% of the girls I was with, insisted on CBJ. I don't know what the deal was, it seemed like a conspiracy or a union decision. I never had to ask if they did BBJ in the interview process in past years but after my 5th straight CBJ, it became part of the routine.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1882892]On my last trip to Sosua, about 90% of the girls I was with, insisted on CBJ. I don't know what the deal was, it seemed like a conspiracy or a union decision. I never had to ask if they did BBJ in the interview process in past years but after my 5th straight CBJ, it became part of the routine.[/QUOTE]I normally don't ask a chica the first time. I just let her know prior to the session, her extra payment depends on her performance. I only ask this one because she was a repeat and didn't look like she was jumping up to give me some head like most of my repeats. I'm really not a head man 1 - 3 minutes is cool with me. But I do reward good attitude initiative and performance. Damn these unions.

I could be an educational health training for girls. For me a BJ is not a big deal but for many guys it is the main event. I think you have to respect their choice and if this is a show stopper get it resolved in the interview stage. Knowing what is on the menu upfront can make for a good session. No one likes being disappointed.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1882892]On my last trip to Sosua, about 90% of the girls I was with, insisted on CBJ. I don't know what the deal was, it seemed like a conspiracy or a union decision. I never had to ask if they did BBJ in the interview process in past years but after my 5th straight CBJ, it became part of the routine.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1882906]I could be an educational health training for girls. For me a BJ is not a big deal but for many guys it is the main event. I think you have to respect their choice and if this is a show stopper get it resolved in the interview stage. Knowing what is on the menu upfront can make for a good session. No one likes being disappointed.[/QUOTE]For me its extremely important because after 2-3 days of sex with kevlar coated condoms, it can become very difficult to reach the finish line. LOL! So I need a head monster who can do the job once I whip the condom off. I wonder if they have some sort of health department news program urging girls to do CBJS in the DR. When I first started going 5 years ago, nobody used a condom to give head, now the majority of girls are doing it. Something must have happened to change the game.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1882968]For me its extremely important because after 2-3 days of sex with kevlar coated condoms, it can become very difficult to reach the finish line. LOL! So I need a head monster who can do the job once I whip the condom off. I wonder if they have some sort of health department news program urging girls to do CBJS in the DR. When I first started going 5 years ago, nobody used a condom to give head, now the majority of girls are doing it. Something must have happened to change the game.[/QUOTE]That's a distinct possibility.

When I was there in December, there were women street health workers? coming into the usual bars distributing free condoms and lubricant sachets.

I came back with a whole bunch.

Shout out to Mr. Tomjackin for single handedly reminding everyone what the [B]Sosua Reports[/B] thread is about. Take me off your list my man. LOL And to Mr. GoGo who made the following report possible.

Mr. GoGo catches me off guard this morning. Been living in the Santo Doming too long. He is ten minutes early and that never happens here and this has thrown me totally off my game. Security notifies me of his arrival and Mr. GoGo heads on up to my luxury apartment with the ocean view. I take him on a quick tour of my place and then he heads out onto the balcony. After having the chance to check out what I've told him about in person he declares that is it good. And it is!

While gathering my stuff together Mr. GoGo breaks out an assortment of dresses that he has brought for his chicas and allows me to pick a selection for my girls. I wind up picking out one of his favorites, but he is good-natured about it. He packs up the rest. I leave mine for my harem girls. The only gift I give to garden tools is the gift of leche. Pesos are not a gift. My garden tools put in work and earn every peso I pay them! There has been much weeping and gnashing of teeth by my harem girls early in the week over my departure. They will get over it. Final equipment check, lock down the apartment, head down to Mr. GoGo's brand new SUV. Load up. Strap in. And we're off. News Flash: The SubCmdr has departed on his first mission to The Sue (roll crowd cheering sound track). BOOYAO!

Mr. GoGo gives me the mission brief en route. We are looking at a 3.5 hour travel time. We are headed down Las Americas (Hwy 3) until the Samana turnout. We reverse direction and get onto the "new" toll road right next to the Caribe Tours bus station headed to the north coast. The official name for the toll road is La Autopista del Nordeste ([URL]www.autopistasdelnordeste.com[/URL]). Picture hounds can goto the website and see all you would like about that portion of the route. The photos are accurate (having seen them myself). There are three booths where you pay a toll of 56,181 & 213 DOP respectively.

After the first booth, but before the second there is a brand new Texaco fueling station. It's very modern with a convenience store and Santo Domingo coffee shop attached. Looks just like anything that I've seen within the developed countries I've visited in the past. It's a very expensive facility that is well manicured and maintained. Very nice choice Mr. GoGo. I like it! We make a quick pit stop where I've got to have my cup of coffee. There is also business inside where you can get a bite to eat freshly prepared for you. Sandwiches and other Dominican fast foods are available. I enter the coffee shop and the chica behind the counter is smoking hot. Even with that unisex uniform corporations like to drape on their female employees, I can tell she has a banging body. He has perfect make up and salon quality nails. She hits me with English. Which gives me the opener to flirt. Complement her on language skills, ask her where she learned it and we're off. It's not busy in there right now and she's open to giving a brother a little conversation. I ask her to switch to Spanish to help a brother learn more. A little more small talk, my coffee is ready, another customer enters I pay and go. I've got the vacation aura working. This is going to be fun.

Just before we get to the next booth and the popo be running a full blown check point. Snatching people out of their cars, trunks open, suitcases in the road being searched. Doesn't look good. We are in line. Our turn. Mr. GoGo is cool about it. Officer wants to search our car. Mr. GoGo does not understand (in this situation that's entender right local linguistic professors?) he answers in English. He asks the officer if he speaks English. Officer tries to explain again. Mr. GoGo still does not understand. The PN officer is becoming a little frustrated. Looking around. Explains again. Mr. GoGo does not understand. Speaks to the officer slowly in English. The officer tells us to enjoy our trip and waves us through. Got to love it! Mr. GoGo has played the "dumb gringo" role perfectly and given an Oscar nominating performance to boot. The trip continues without incident. We out the last booth and we run out of island. There is nothing but ocean dead ahead. I don't which way we need go but we got to make a turn because we've run out of island.

We arrive at the Europa hotel. Lot's of intel about this place from previously reported recon in this section and the personal experience of Mr. GoGo. Credit goes to the men in the arena. The hotel bar (Romanitas) has a hot blonde working behind it now and there are a few hotties sitting there killing time. Mr. GoGo heads over to greet the chicas. They wave me over. I'm like nah. Mr. GoGo is holding court. Enjoy him. I'm headed inside to check in and it goes without incident. We make plans to rendezvous in 15 minutes for an exploratory mission to recon the area so I can learn my way around. The room is nice. Big enough to play catch in. And is exactly as advertised. Only negative I see to the place is that it's not freak party certified. But since this is my first trip to The Sue, I'm not trying to roll like that anyway.

I meet Mr. GoGo in the lobby and we head out on foot. Walking down the street at some point we hang a right and pass another Sue fixture called the Terra Linda Hotel. Tells me they have nice pool and asked me if I wanted to go see it. No need. It can't be that impressive. I'm from Vegas were billionaires spend 10's of millions on their pools to impress visitors. If's not an infinity pool then I don't need to see it. We finish the loop. Says that's the quick and dirty tour of The Sue and we head to the beach.

Attention everyone: And we're walking. A few working girls are on the stroll. They have a garden tool look. Skimpy or skin tight outfits, overdone make up, swanging hips, men in the arena know the look. But the talent pool is low. Mr. GoGo tells me it's early afternoon. These are freelancers. Says the talent pool will increase. In other words, the freaks come out at night. I get a few of the garden tools making extended eye contact. Which just causes me to laugh. I guess that's how they do it in The Sue. As we walk, we pass a BBQ joint (the spelling program won't let me put the name in this post). The owner himself is working the grill at the moment. BOOYAO motherfuckers! Got to eat here. But we are still walking and Mr. GoGo has a destination in mind. So, like the telephone operator says: "Please make a note of it". And I do.

We continue our walk down the beach until we arrive at Big Mama's. This is Mr. GoGo's spot. He orders his drink I order some natural juice and we chill. I pull out the professional SLR for some pictures only to discover my telephoto lens is cracked. How the fuck did that happen? Luckily for me I had a UV filter on it and the main glass is fine. I remembered the advice my father gave me as a kid to always keep a UV filter on your lenses because if bad things happen you loose the UV filter first but it will save your lens. No truer words were spoken in this case. I take a few pictures but I'm not really feeling the view and just sit down to enjoy my juice. We are just chilling taking in the scene. The garden tools are on the stroll, tourists, touts, vendors, women offering manicure, pedicure services the total plethora of sights, sounds and experiences.

We're hungry now and we have reversed course on the beach. My thoughts are the BBQ joint. And Mr. GoGo concurs. The BBQ joint on the beach it is. We sit down at a table that gives a ringside seat the to circus at The Sue beach. Menus come and I order ribs and Mr. GoGo orders chicken. My harem feeds me a lot of chicken so I am really looking forward to the change. And food at the BBQ joint does not disappoint. The ribs are good along with the grilled potatoes and mixed vegetables. This is working for me. But I'm wishing I had of ordered the half slab instead of the quarter slab they are that good. But after talking bad about those who are obese, I'm determined to set a good example by getting back down to my BMI weight. I'm four pounds away and closing in. Not bad for an old man relatively speaking. Late lunch is finished. Settled up with the BBQ joint. And we're off again. Headed down the beach back to the hotel. It's time to rest up before heading out again tonight.

Mr. GoGo and I rendezvous in the lobby of the Europa. And we head out again on foot. I'm hungry, but Mr. GoGo is not a big eater in the evening. So, once again we are on the lookout for a place to eat. Side note about Bourbon Street, that place is laid out. But during our trip every time we passed the place, it didn't have more than three customers in it. There was more staff than clientele. Maybe it was weather related. It was overcast skies and lots of rain. Everything was slow that weekend. It was good for me. Made it easy to get a lay of the land, sense and feel of the vibe in The Sue. We keep walking down the main drag on the hunt for food. I'm feeling Morua Mai. Never been there before but I liked the look and feel of the place. Turns out that is one of Mr. GoGo favorite places. We are in agreement. On approach and cleared to land.

The place is empty. When we arrive we are the only customers in the place. It is really slow here and in The Sue in general. The weather is really keeping the activity down but I actually like it like this. Morua Mai has the lounge / chill music genre going. I recognize some of the sounds being played on the track. I'm waiting to hear something from one the greatest: Thievery Corporation, but I never do. Still, I'm enjoying the music anyway. It's the perfect feel. Menus arrive and prices are reasonable. I put in my order. Chicken Parmesan, side of pasta with mixed vegetables. Plates hit the table. I like what I see. Let's see how it tastes. Try everything on my plate and it is indeed good. Wow! Nice evening, good food, good music, good company, I'm certain I would be enjoying some good wine if I could drink. Damn this is killing me. Check comes and we settle up once again. Dinner is a wrap. In the can so to speak and we're off. Seek and destroy mission. My missile with the moisture seeking warhead is in seek mode. Back on station and visually looking for targets.

We are walking down the main drag back towards the hotel Europa. Hang a left and there is an interesting prospect across the street. "Tally ho"! I head over talk to her. Up close she is nothing to look at. So, in my mind I'll do a brief engagement and break off. She's Haitian and after some small talk in Spanish, because she speaks four languages. I let her know I might be back to see her later. She says, why not now. I say because it's early. She say no it's because you are looking for a Dominican. That makes me want to go off. What I want to tell her is (code word) I'm up to my neck in Dominican chicas at home. You're are ugly but I couldn't tell until I got up close to you. But I'm diplomatic (a skill few posters here in the Dominican Republic ISG forum have) and leave it at "That's not true" and move on.

I don't know where the fuck I'm at because I'm still not oriented to the place and it's dark. But then I recognize the Terra Linda and I'm back on course. We are headed past Terra Linda and a pair is coming around the bend. One of the two is my type, spinner, but does she have any ass is the question. Let's find out. She is white girl in a white dress, but she's running with a darker friend. The darker friend is doing the talking. She tells me her friend would like to keep me company. I'm thinking why isn't your friend doing the talking, but I just let that go. I'm like, "oh really". What does your friend have to say about it. The white girl enthusiastically nods her head. I tell her to turn around let me see that ass. Ok, she has one but it's nothing to write home about but in the dark she seems good enough. I tell her to give me your number and I'll hit you back later tonight. And if you are available I'll see you. One prospect in the ho phone, excuse me business phone and we are off. We are walking and the humidity is killing me and I'm sweating profusely. Mr. GoGo looks at me like are you OK. I'm always like this Bro. But he's very insistent "We need to get you some air conditioning. Let's go to Merengue. " Bet!

We enter into Merengue. It's a well a documented place. Actually all of The Sue is well documented. The Sue is so well documented most mongers who post in this section could transmit the coordinates needed to drop a JDAM by just pointing his dick in the right direction and using it like a GPS receiver. At times, I wonder why there is a constant call for trip reports from The Sue. After all it's not as if it might disappear if some monger does not bust a nut up in a chica every few days and report about it. Trust me! The Sue appears to have some of the best infrastructure on the island. There are rivers of cash flowing above ground and under ground in that place. Unless there is suddenly there is some sort of moral outrage or they manage to get the Super Yacht Marina approved and funded The Sue will be full of chicas dedicated to taking monger dick until time immortal. Mr. GoGo's Sue is not my Sue, but that doesn't matter to me. I like my Sue just as it is. But I digress. Mr. GoGo tells me the white women from Santiago tend to be very popular and will go for premium especially on a Friday and Saturday night.

Back to Merengue, We survey the place. And decide to post up where I can see the TV and watch the game. We are right next to the window so we can see the street action also. Mr. GoGo is holding court to a continuing chorus of women coming by to say Hello, kiss his ring (and offer to kiss other body parts I'm sure). In walks a straight chapiadora (Youtube: Chopi Chopi Farruko). But she's my type. Tall, with those 4-inch platform heels, banging body, hair perfect, heavily made up, nails were natural, painted on light blue jeans with the "tears" in the legs, black bustier. We make eye contact but my thought is "that one is expensive. Not interested". I pick my conversation back up with Mr. GoGo. I'm typing on my cellular phone lying to my harem about where I am and what I'm doing, watching the basketball game, and watching the action with the other patrons. Watching people is a lot of fun here in The Sue and I'm having a blast.

The chapiadora keeps moving around dancing in my peripheral vision, chatting with her friends inside the bar and through the window. She's making sure I'm getting a good look at that long lean body without that belly bump, that I find so irritating, so many chicas have here. We keep exchanging glances but I'm still thinking, stuck up and too expensive. A bit later she comes over to me and asks to if she can sit down. The conversation ensues. She's from Santo Domingo, lives in Gazcue with her Mother. Has a kid. And then the thing that blows my mind says she is 29. Like whoa! A body like that after a kid and not worn down yet by The Sue grind. Impressive! She wants a drink. All she wants is a red bull. But I'm still not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling from her, then something clicks. She starts to talk, move and touch me in a very seductive and sensual manner. Different than the chicas that just be grabbing up on ya. It's working. The Cmdr wants to know the price. The Chapiadora gives it to me. Out of my price range and I don't bite. But then I realize that was just an initial offer to test me because she lowers the amount without me saying a word. It's in the Cmdr's price range. Settle my bar bill and we are out.

Out the door and onto the street scene where I'm experiencing disorientation combined with a sense of euphoria that must mean my dopamine pathways are feeling it. It's time for my first moto ride with a chica in The Sue. I mean this is my first moto ride ever. She flags the moto. We are up. We are on. And we are off. And it initially we are off the races. Things are blurred in my peripheral vision. Then we stop. There is problem. The police have stopped traffic for some reason. So, I use the opportunity to feel her up a bit and I like everything I'm touching. The mini traffic jam is resolved and we continue on our way. We roll up to the Europa and make our grand arrival. Just like all other monger / chicas arrivals during the day and that will continue into the night. I pay the driver and we are into the lobby. To front desk, she gives up her cedula and we are off to the room.

Into the room and Chapiadora hits the shower. Comes out in a towel covering her bottom half but her bustier still on. What the what? Must be some false advertising going on is my thoughts. Good thing I'm not a breast man. She lies down crosswise on the bed and says "Dame algo" (Give me something). What the what? "Como?" I say. She says it again. Like what? Is my response. Give me clothes like a dress, give me shoes, give me earrings, give me perfume, where is my gift? Ah nah, the Cmdr got worked in the bar. Houston we have a problem. But I'm standing there alone in the room. Got to handle my business on my own this time. I tell her. I got nothing for ya. She starts in on that again and I'm like let's get started. The sooner we get started the sooner you can get out of here and find someone who has a gift for you. Now, I think I'm going to have a problem with performance out of this one. But I'm wrong. The problem is endurance. She can't take no dick. And she hurting herself because just when I'm about to give her the only gift I have (the gift of leche) she gets tired of the position and wants to change.

After the third time of doing this I ask her what is the problem. She says in English "You're a little thick for me. " I'm like just take it for a little while longer and we will be done". Like I said before, we keep changing positions so go back to doggy. And she does it again. Now, I'm getting irritated with her. She's like, my knees hurt and you are keeping me in these positions for too long. I'm like, you knew I wasn't going to be one of your tiny dick men who bust a nut in 5 minutes. You felt what you were getting into before we left the bar. She's like me let suck you. She sat on edge the bed that had was on the side closest to the wall. I was standing and put my foot between her legs and leaned up against the wall. She put her arm behind my calf, brought her hand up under my thigh, grabbed my dick and leaned in to start sucking. I remember this clearly because I was thinking: "Now this is something you don't see everyday". Well she really starts to put in some work. And I'm thoroughly enjoying myself. As I am getting close I am bracing myself for the interruption. But to my surprise she goes ahead and finishes the job. She spits and is pissed.

She goes into this tirade about taking to long to fuck her, being on Viagra, not giving her my leche quickly enough and because of all that I have to give her 500 more pesos. I tell her it's not going to happen. She is insistent. She tells me "No you have to give me 500 more pesos". I tell her no I am not. I'm going to give you the amount we agreed to and you are going to leave. She's irritated and goes back into the give me something routine. Around and around we go until she finally gets to: "Give me some hair!" I tell her no. I tell her that's my business. That I can no more give her hair than she can give me free pussy. There is a moment of silence. And then the entire energy in the room changes. I've appealed to her inner hustler with the inner hustler of my own. And she asks politely if she can see my hair.

She views my hair and declares the quality is good. And says the prices are good too. But I don't have the length that she wants in inventory right now. She wants me to send her the price list in whatsapp and tells me to contact her when I have the length in stock that she is interested in. I pay her and she leaves my room without incident. Later that night I see her on The Sue strip getting food. We have a laugh. We have exchanged a few messages in whatsapp. I'm waiting for my stock to come in. We will see if she makes a purchase or not.

Fade to black (roll outo music).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1883665]Shout out to Mr. Tomjackin for single handedly reminding everyone what the [B]Sosua Reports[/B] thread is about. Take me off your list my man. LOL And to Mr. GoGo who made the following report possible.

Mr. GoGo catches me off guard this morning. Been living in the Santo Doming too long. He is ten minutes early and that never happens here and this has thrown me totally off my game. Security notifies me of his arrival and Mr. GoGo heads on up to my luxury apartment with the ocean view. I take him on a quick tour of my place and then he heads out onto the balcony. After having the chance to check out what I've told him about in person he declares that is it good. And it is!

While gathering my stuff together Mr. GoGo breaks out an assortment of dresses that he has brought for his chicas and allows me to pick a selection for my girls. I wind up picking out one of his favorites, but he is good-natured about it. He packs up the rest. I leave mine for my harem girls. The only gift I give to garden tools is the gift of leche. Pesos are not a gift. My garden tools put in work and earn every peso I pay them! There has been much weeping and gnashing of teeth by my harem girls early in the week over my departure. They will get over it. Final equipment check, lock down the apartment, head down to Mr. GoGo's brand new SUV. Load up. Strap in. And we're off. News Flash: The SubCmdr has departed on his first mission to The Sue (roll crowd cheering sound track). BOOYAO!

Mr. GoGo gives me the mission brief en route. We are looking at a 3.5 hour travel time. We are headed down Las Americas (Hwy 3) until the Samana turnout. We reverse direction and get onto the "new" toll road right next to the Caribe Tours bus station headed to the north coast. The official name for the toll road is La Autopista del Nordeste ([URL]www.autopistasdelnordeste.com[/URL]). Picture hounds can goto the website and see all you would like about that portion of the route. The photos are accurate (having seen them myself). There are three booths where you pay a toll of 56,181 & 213 DOP respectively.

After the first booth, but before the second there is a brand new Texaco fueling station. It's very modern with a convenience store and Santo Domingo coffee shop attached. Looks just like anything that I've seen within the developed countries I've visited in the past. It's a very expensive facility that is well manicured and maintained. Very nice choice Mr. GoGo. I like it! We make a quick pit stop where I've got to have my cup of coffee. There is also business inside where you can get a bite to eat freshly prepared for you. Sandwiches and other Dominican fast foods are available. I enter the coffee shop and the chica behind the counter is smoking hot. Even with that unisex uniform corporations like to drape on their female employees, I can tell she has a banging body. He has perfect make up and salon quality nails. She hits me with English. Which gives me the opener to flirt. Complement her on language skills, ask her where she learned it and we're off. It's not busy in there right now and she's open to giving a brother a little conversation. I ask her to switch to Spanish to help a brother learn more. A little more small talk, my coffee is ready, another customer enters I pay and go. I've got the vacation aura working. This is going to be fun.

Just before we get to the next booth and the popo be running a full blown check point. Snatching people out of their cars, trunks open, suitcases in the road being searched. Doesn't look good. We are in line. Our turn. Mr. GoGo is cool about it. Officer wants to search our car. Mr. GoGo does not understand (in this situation that's entender right local linguistic professors?) he answers in English. He asks the officer if he speaks English. Officer tries to explain again. Mr. GoGo still does not understand. The PN officer is becoming a little frustrated. Looking around. Explains again. Mr. GoGo does not understand. Speaks to the officer slowly in English. The officer tells us to enjoy our trip and waves us through. Got to love it! Mr. GoGo has played the "dumb gringo" role perfectly and given an Oscar nominating performance to boot. The trip continues without incident. We out the last booth and we run out of island. There is nothing but ocean dead ahead. I don't which way we need go but we got to make a turn because we've run out of island.

We arrive at the Europa hotel. Lot's of intel about this place from previously reported recon in this section and the personal experience of Mr. GoGo. Credit goes to the men in the arena. The hotel bar (Romanitas) has a hot blonde working behind it now and there are a few hotties sitting there killing time. Mr. GoGo heads over to greet the chicas. They wave me over. I'm like nah. Mr. GoGo is holding court. Enjoy him. I'm headed inside to check in and it goes without incident. We make plans to rendezvous in 15 minutes for an exploratory mission to recon the area so I can learn my way around. The room is nice. Big enough to play catch in. And is exactly as advertised. Only negative I see to the place is that it's not freak party certified. But since this is my first trip to The Sue, I'm not trying to roll like that anyway.

I meet Mr. GoGo in the lobby and we head out on foot. Walking down the street at some point we hang a right and pass another Sue fixture called the Terra Linda Hotel. Tells me they have nice pool and asked me if I wanted to go see it. No need. It can't be that impressive. I'm from Vegas were billionaires spend 10's of millions on their pools to impress visitors. If's not an infinity pool then I don't need to see it. We finish the loop. Says that's the quick and dirty tour of The Sue and we head to the beach.

Attention everyone: And we're walking. A few working girls are on the stroll. They have a garden tool look. Skimpy or skin tight outfits, overdone make up, swanging hips, men in the arena know the look. But the talent pool is low. Mr. GoGo tells me it's early afternoon. These are freelancers. Says the talent pool will increase. In other words, the freaks come out at night. I get a few of the garden tools making extended eye contact. Which just causes me to laugh. I guess that's how they do it in The Sue. As we walk, we pass a BBQ joint (the spelling program won't let me put the name in this post). The owner himself is working the grill at the moment. BOOYAO motherfuckers! Got to eat here. But we are still walking and Mr. GoGo has a destination in mind. So, like the telephone operator says: "Please make a note of it". And I do.

We continue our walk down the beach until we arrive at Big Mama's. This is Mr. GoGo's spot. He orders his drink I order some natural juice and we chill. I pull out the professional SLR for some pictures only to discover my telephoto lens is cracked. How the fuck did that happen? Luckily for me I had a UV filter on it and the main glass is fine. I remembered the advice my father gave me as a kid to always keep a UV filter on your lenses because if bad things happen you loose the UV filter first but it will save your lens. No truer words were spoken in this case. I take a few pictures but I'm not really feeling the view and just sit down to enjoy my juice. We are just chilling taking in the scene. The garden tools are on the stroll, tourists, touts, vendors, women offering manicure, pedicure services the total plethora of sights, sounds and experiences.

We're hungry now and we have reversed course on the beach. My thoughts are the BBQ joint. And Mr. GoGo concurs. The BBQ joint on the beach it is. We sit down at a table that gives a ringside seat the to circus at The Sue beach. Menus come and I order ribs and Mr. GoGo orders chicken. My harem feeds me a lot of chicken so I am really looking forward to the change. And food at the BBQ joint does not disappoint. The ribs are good along with the grilled potatoes and mixed vegetables. This is working for me. But I'm wishing I had of ordered the half slab instead of the quarter slab they are that good. But after talking bad about those who are obese, I'm determined to set a good example by getting back down to my BMI weight. I'm four pounds away and closing in. Not bad for an old man relatively speaking. Late lunch is finished. Settled up with the BBQ joint. And we're off again. Headed down the beach back to the hotel. It's time to rest up before heading out again tonight.

Mr. GoGo and I rendezvous in the lobby of the Europa. And we head out again on foot. I'm hungry, but Mr. GoGo is not a big eater in the evening. So, once again we are on the lookout for a place to eat. Side note about Bourbon Street, that place is laid out. But during our trip every time we passed the place, it didn't have more than three customers in it. There was more staff than clientele. Maybe it was weather related. It was overcast skies and lots of rain. Everything was slow that weekend. It was good for me. Made it easy to get a lay of the land, sense and feel of the vibe in The Sue. We keep walking down the main drag on the hunt for food. I'm feeling Morua Mai. Never been there before but I liked the look and feel of the place. Turns out that is one of Mr. GoGo favorite places. We are in agreement. On approach and cleared to land.

The place is empty. When we arrive we are the only customers in the place. It is really slow here and in The Sue in general. The weather is really keeping the activity down but I actually like it like this. Morua Mai has the lounge / chill music genre going. I recognize some of the sounds being played on the track. I'm waiting to hear something from one the greatest: Thievery Corporation, but I never do. Still, I'm enjoying the music anyway. It's the perfect feel. Menus arrive and prices are reasonable. I put in my order. Chicken Parmesan, side of pasta with mixed vegetables. Plates hit the table. I like what I see. Let's see how it tastes. Try everything on my plate and it is indeed good. Wow! Nice evening, good food, good music, good company, I'm certain I would be enjoying some good wine if I could drink. Damn this is killing me. Check comes and we settle up once again. Dinner is a wrap. In the can so to speak and we're off. Seek and destroy mission. My missile with the moisture seeking warhead is in seek mode. Back on station and visually looking for targets.

We are walking down the main drag back towards the hotel Europa. Hang a left and there is an interesting prospect across the street. "Tally ho"! I head over talk to her. Up close she is nothing to look at. So, in my mind I'll do a brief engagement and break off. She's Haitian and after some small talk in Spanish, because she speaks four languages. I let her know I might be back to see her later. She says, why not now. I say because it's early. She say no it's because you are looking for a Dominican. That makes me want to go off. What I want to tell her is (code word) I'm up to my neck in Dominican chicas at home. You're are ugly but I couldn't tell until I got up close to you. But I'm diplomatic (a skill few posters here in the Dominican Republic ISG forum have) and leave it at "That's not true" and move on.

I don't know where the fuck I'm at because I'm still not oriented to the place and it's dark. But then I recognize the Terra Linda and I'm back on course. We are headed past Terra Linda and a pair is coming around the bend. One of the two is my type, spinner, but does she have any ass is the question. Let's find out. She is white girl in a white dress, but she's running with a darker friend. The darker friend is doing the talking. She tells me her friend would like to keep me company. I'm thinking why isn't your friend doing the talking, but I just let that go. I'm like, "oh really". What does your friend have to say about it. The white girl enthusiastically nods her head. I tell her to turn around let me see that ass. Ok, she has one but it's nothing to write home about but in the dark she seems good enough. I tell her to give me your number and I'll hit you back later tonight. And if you are available I'll see you. One prospect in the ho phone, excuse me business phone and we are off. We are walking and the humidity is killing me and I'm sweating profusely. Mr. GoGo looks at me like are you OK. I'm always like this Bro. But he's very insistent "We need to get you some air conditioning. Let's go to Merengue. " Bet!

We enter into Merengue. It's a well a documented place. Actually all of The Sue is well documented. The Sue is so well documented most mongers who post in this section could transmit the coordinates needed to drop a JDAM by just pointing his dick in the right direction and using it like a GPS receiver. At times, I wonder why there is a constant call for trip reports from The Sue. After all it's not as if it might disappear if some monger does not bust a nut up in a chica every few days and report about it. Trust me! The Sue appears to have some of the best infrastructure on the island. There are rivers of cash flowing above ground and under ground in that place. Unless there is suddenly there is some sort of moral outrage or they manage to get the Super Yacht Marina approved and funded The Sue will be full of chicas dedicated to taking monger dick until time immortal. Mr. GoGo's Sue is not my Sue, but that doesn't matter to me. I like my Sue just as it is. But I digress. Mr. GoGo tells me the white women from Santiago tend to be very popular and will go for premium especially on a Friday and Saturday night.

Back to Merengue, We survey the place. And decide to post up where I can see the TV and watch the game. We are right next to the window so we can see the street action also. Mr. GoGo is holding court to a continuing chorus of women coming by to say Hello, kiss his ring (and offer to kiss other body parts I'm sure). In walks a straight chapiadora (Youtube: Chopi Chopi Farruko). But she's my type. Tall, with those 4-inch platform heels, banging body, hair perfect, heavily made up, nails were natural, painted on light blue jeans with the "tears" in the legs, black bustier. We make eye contact but my thought is "that one is expensive. Not interested". I pick my conversation back up with Mr. GoGo. I'm typing on my cellular phone lying to my harem about where I am and what I'm doing, watching the basketball game, and watching the action with the other patrons. Watching people is a lot of fun here in The Sue and I'm having a blast.

The chapiadora keeps moving around dancing in my peripheral vision, chatting with her friends inside the bar and through the window. She's making sure I'm getting a good look at that long lean body without that belly bump, that I find so irritating, so many chicas have here. We keep exchanging glances but I'm still thinking, stuck up and too expensive. A bit later she comes over to me and asks to if she can sit down. The conversation ensues. She's from Santo Domingo, lives in Gazcue with her Mother. Has a kid. And then the thing that blows my mind says she is 29. Like whoa! A body like that after a kid and not worn down yet by The Sue grind. Impressive! She wants a drink. All she wants is a red bull. But I'm still not getting that warm and fuzzy feeling from her, then something clicks. She starts to talk, move and touch me in a very seductive and sensual manner. Different than the chicas that just be grabbing up on ya. It's working. The Cmdr wants to know the price. The Chapiadora gives it to me. Out of my price range and I don't bite. But then I realize that was just an initial offer to test me because she lowers the amount without me saying a word. It's in the Cmdr's price range. Settle my bar bill and we are out.

Out the door and onto the street scene where I'm experiencing disorientation combined with a sense of euphoria that must mean my dopamine pathways are feeling it. It's time for my first moto ride with a chica in The Sue. I mean this is my first moto ride ever. She flags the moto. We are up. We are on. And we are off. And it initially we are off the races. Things are blurred in my peripheral vision. Then we stop. There is problem. The police have stopped traffic for some reason. So, I use the opportunity to feel her up a bit and I like everything I'm touching. The mini traffic jam is resolved and we continue on our way. We roll up to the Europa and make our grand arrival. Just like all other monger / chicas arrivals during the day and that will continue into the night. I pay the driver and we are into the lobby. To front desk, she gives up her cedula and we are off to the room.

Into the room and Chapiadora hits the shower. Comes out in a towel covering her bottom half but her bustier still on. What the what? Must be some false advertising going on is my thoughts. Good thing I'm not a breast man. She lies down crosswise on the bed and says "Dame algo" (Give me something). What the what? "Como?" I say. She says it again. Like what? Is my response. Give me clothes like a dress, give me shoes, give me earrings, give me perfume, where is my gift? Ah nah, the Cmdr got worked in the bar. Houston we have a problem. But I'm standing there alone in the room. Got to handle my business on my own this time. I tell her. I got nothing for ya. She starts in on that again and I'm like let's get started. The sooner we get started the sooner you can get out of here and find someone who has a gift for you. Now, I think I'm going to have a problem with performance out of this one. But I'm wrong. The problem is endurance. She can't take no dick. And she hurting herself because just when I'm about to give her the only gift I have (the gift of leche) she gets tired of the position and wants to change.

After the third time of doing this I ask her what is the problem. She says in English "You're a little thick for me. " I'm like just take it for a little while longer and we will be done". Like I said before, we keep changing positions so go back to doggy. And she does it again. Now, I'm getting irritated with her. She's like, my knees hurt and you are keeping me in these positions for too long. I'm like, you knew I wasn't going to be one of your tiny dick men who bust a nut in 5 minutes. You felt what you were getting into before we left the bar. She's like me let suck you. She sat on edge the bed that had was on the side closest to the wall. I was standing and put my foot between her legs and leaned up against the wall. She put her arm behind my calf, brought her hand up under my thigh, grabbed my dick and leaned in to start sucking. I remember this clearly because I was thinking: "Now this is something you don't see everyday". Well she really starts to put in some work. And I'm thoroughly enjoying myself. As I am getting close I am bracing myself for the interruption. But to my surprise she goes ahead and finishes the job. She spits and is pissed.

She goes into this tirade about taking to long to fuck her, being on Viagra, not giving her my leche quickly enough and because of all that I have to give her 500 more pesos. I tell her it's not going to happen. She is insistent. She tells me "No you have to give me 500 more pesos". I tell her no I am not. I'm going to give you the amount we agreed to and you are going to leave. She's irritated and goes back into the give me something routine. Around and around we go until she finally gets to: "Give me some hair!" I tell her no. I tell her that's my business. That I can no more give her hair than she can give me free pussy. There is a moment of silence. And then the entire energy in the room changes. I've appealed to her inner hustler with the inner hustler of my own. And she asks politely if she can see my hair.

She views my hair and declares the quality is good. And says the prices are good too. But I don't have the length that she wants in inventory right now. She wants me to send her the price list in whatsapp and tells me to contact her when I have the length in stock that she is interested in. I pay her and she leaves my room without incident. Later that night I see her on The Sue strip getting food. We have a laugh. We have exchanged a few messages in whatsapp. I'm waiting for my stock to come in. We will see if she makes a purchase or not.

Fade to black (roll outo music).[/QUOTE]Executive Summary: Went to Sosua, got a room, walked around a bit, got something to eat, found a nice-looking hooker, struck a deal for sex, but found it hard to finish the act due to taking Viagra.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1884107]Executive Summary: Went to Sosua, got a room, walked around a bit, got something to eat, found a nice-looking hooker, struck a deal for sex, but found it hard to finish the act due to taking Viagra.[/QUOTE]Well, this has been dedicated to Tom Jackin, who should be really pleased to have this flood, after the perennial drought he laments about. LOL.

I enjoyed the post. The detail help us guys here in the pussy dessert escape a bit. Girls asking for gifts is a downer. Guys who are giving these girls gifts are fucking things gifts. It is your cash but is t really necessary. If you are not repeating or the performance is mediocre it is not necessary. If a chica rocks my world I take care of here. Guys the 1500 or 2000 pesos is all these girls have earned.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1884107]Executive Summary: Went to Sosua, got a room, walked around a bit, got something to eat, found a nice-looking hooker, struck a deal for sex, but found it hard to finish the act due to taking Viagra.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1884136]I enjoyed the post. The detail help us guys here in the pussy dessert escape a bit. Girls asking for gifts is a downer. Guys who are giving these girls gifts are fucking things gifts. It is your cash but is t really necessary. If you are not repeating or the performance is mediocre it is not necessary. If a chica rocks my world I take care of here. Guys the 1500 or 2000 pesos is all these girls have earned.[/QUOTE]I concur. I've been begging Subcmdr to post trip reports and stay away from the negativity and he finally listened but it's guys who never post trip reports that now want to sabotage him. This is not what this board should be about. It's like JJ62 said, some guys want to act like 8th graders.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1884107]Executive Summary: Went to Sosua, got a room, walked around a bit, got something to eat, found a nice-looking hooker, struck a deal for sex, but found it hard to finish the act due to taking Viagra.[/QUOTE]Pretty harsh coming for someone that does not write trip reports.

First off, writing a decent trip report takes a lot of time and effort. I enjoy reading what others have done with their time in other countries, and I appreciate the efforts of others that write good trip reports.

Perhaps you could travel outside of the DR, you know, like Central and South America; hell, even to a different island and report back your findings. That is why I'm on the this site, to learn from others.

I will give you credit on one thing, suggesting cheap shower caps for the chicas was the best thing I learned from you; thank you!

[QUOTE=Tomjackin;1884176]Pretty harsh coming for someone that does not write trip reports.

First off, writing a decent trip report takes a lot of time and effort. I enjoy reading what others have done with their time in other countries, and I appreciate the efforts of others that write good trip reports.

Perhaps you could travel outside of the DR, you know, like Central and South America; hell, even to a different island and report back your findings. That is why I'm on the this site, to learn from others.

I will give you credit on one thing, suggesting cheap shower caps for the chicas was the best thing I learned from you; thank you![/QUOTE]Well, thank you. And what did you learn from the longer version of the trip report that is not in the summary? Will that enhance you future travels?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1884289]Well, thank you. And what did you learn from the longer version of the trip report that is not in the summary? Will that enhance you future travels?[/QUOTE]Assuming for a moment, the role of a new member, searching for information on Sosua, I learned a few things not in your summary.

I learned Hotel Plaza Europa has nice rooms, is chica friendly and requires chicas to give up their cedulla to enter.

I learned the BBQ place at the beach has good food as does Morua Mai. Finding a good place to eat is always pretty high on my list of priorities.

I learned that Merengue is a good spot to find chicas, but they come at a higher price. I also learned the rates are negotiable, something every noob should know.

I learned about the tolls, driving time and amenities available on the toll road from Santo Domingo.

I learned about the little bar in front of Hotel Plaza Europa, which I think is one of the better places in Sosua to have a cold drink and relax.

I learned the Terra Linda Hotel has a nice pool, not as important to me, but probably good information for some.

I learned the 20-10-5 rule. For those who don't know it, a 10 at 20 yards is often a 5 at 10 feet.

I learned that chicas who look like they are high maintenance are often high maintenance.

There are a few things I didn't learn.

I didn't learn how much he paid for his chapiadora or what a chapiadora was, but Google answered the second part. I didn't learn how much the food, motoconcho and hotel room cost. I didn't learn whether this was just a one night stay or multiple nights (and multiple chapiadoras). I didn't learn whether viagra usage was involved or it was a baseless accusation. Through some research and a few PMs I could probably find most of the answers.

I fully support your corrections to his Spanish. I learn from them and we all know how important correct Spanish is in the DR. However, when Sub posts something useful, can't you save your vendetta for when he deserves it? I'm sure another opportunity will pop up soon.

Spanish word of the day is "Quejica".

Adj. Que se queja con frecuencia o exageradamente: Estas hecho un quejica, lloriqueas por cualquier cosa.

Somebody who whines and complaines all the time about everything and anything. Both masculine and feminine forms are quejica (un quejica, una quejica). For example a girl who starts "it's too big, don't touch this, don't do that, it takes too long", is una quejica.

SubCmdr thx for your nice report. Among other things I learned a new word, chapiadora. After googling it, I added the word to my vocabulary. Thx to you, when somebody's talks about chapiadoras, I don't have to say "no comprende".

[QUOTE=Nordico;1884324]Spanish word of the day is "Quejica".

Adj. Why com. Col. Que se queja con frecuencia o exageradamente: Estas hecho un quejica, lloriqueas por cualquier cosa.

Somebody who whines and complaines all the time about everything and anything. Both masculine and feminine forms are quejica (un quejica, una quejica).[/QUOTE]Interesante.

I'm more familiar with the term quejona (Fem). Other terms for complainer I've heard are "alegona" "molestona" "llorona" "jodona" etc. (Male forms "alegon" "moleston" "lloron" "jodon".

In Colombian Spanish (Good Castellano) I'd expect to hear: "Te has vuelto quejona (Fem), lloras por cualquier cosa. ".

Please understand, I'm not contradicting you. That's what it says on the webpage you're referencing online, I know.
I just asked two Colombians, and they corrected me. They didn't recognize "quejica" or "estas hecho un quejica".
They insisted its: "Has vuelto quejon(a)".

Is that a colloquial form in Spain?
I did a quick check, and found both forms in the dictionary. QUEJICA, and QUEJON(A). Found the same sentence example also. (wordreferencedotcom)
Not sure how to explain the discrepancy on that website. I use it a lot myself for vocabulary.

Muchas gracias por tu contribucion de hoy. Muy amable.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1884333]Interesante.

I'm more familiar with the term quejona (Fem). Other terms for complainer I've heard are "alegona" "molestona" "llorona" "jodona" etc. (Male forms "alegon" "moleston" "lloron" "jodon".

In Colombian Spanish (Good Castellano) I'd expect to hear: "Te has vuelto quejona (Fem), lloras por cualquier cosa. ".

Is that a colloquial form in Spain?
I did a quick check, and found both forms in the dictionary. QUEJICA, and QUEJON(A). Found the same sentence example also. (wordreferencedotcom)

Muchas gracias por tu contribucion de hoy. Muy amable.[/QUOTE]Actually I heard it first time from my Peruvian girlfriend and now you made me think that I never heard Spaniards to use it. But it still sounds good. Yes, we must have checked the word from the same place. Wasn't sure if it is same form in masculine and feminine.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1884340]Actually I heard it first time from my Peruvian girlfriend and now you made me think that I never heard Spaniards to use it. But it still sounds good. Yes, we must have checked the word from the same place. Wasn't sure if it is same form in masculine and feminine.[/QUOTE]And I'm not saying "YOU ARE WRONG!" not at all.

Maybe the form used in Peru. If a Mexican says something is "muy padre" most of us would have no clue what that meant.
Yes, the website says its both Masculine and Feminine. I think I'd confirm that with another source.

Thanks for raising the issue, the discussion is of benefit. (Yeah, I admit, this would be better on a Spanish language thread).

Otra vez, Gracias.

You can take Spanish nouns and "augment" them by adding -on, -ona, or -ote. So a quejona is a great big complainer. OTOH, you make nouns similar ("diminution") by adding other suffixes. In most places, -ito and -ita are used. We've probably all heard "muy chiquito" from the chicas when we take our pants off. Chico = small, chiquito = smaller. However, other suffixes can be used, including -ico and -ica. So to me, quejica would mean a little tiny complainer, or perhaps someone with many small complaints.

The fact that Costa Ricans are very prone to using -ico and -ica, versus the more widespread -ito and -ita, is why costarriqueños are nicknamed 'ticos. '.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1883665]Shout out to Mr. Tomjackin for single handedly reminding everyone what the [B]Sosua Reports[/B] thread is about. Take me off your list my man. LOL And to Mr. GoGo who made the following report possible.

Into the room and Chapiadora hits the shower. Comes out in a towel covering her bottom half but her bustier still on. What the what? Must be some false advertising going on is my thoughts. Good thing I'm not a breast man. She lies down crosswise on the bed and says "Dame algo" (Give me something). What the what? "Como?" I say. She says it again. Like what? Is my response. Give me clothes like a dress, give me shoes, give me earrings, give me perfume, where is my gift? Ah nah, the Cmdr got worked in the bar. Houston we have a problem. But I'm standing there alone in the room. Got to handle my business on my own this time. I tell her. I got nothing for ya. She starts in on that again and I'm like let's get started. The sooner we get started the sooner you can get out of here and find someone who has a gift for you. Now, I think I'm going to have a problem with performance out of this one. But I'm wrong. The problem is endurance. She can't take no dick. And she hurting herself because just when I'm about to give her the only gift I have (the gift of leche) she gets tired of the position and wants to change.


Fade to black (roll outo music).[/QUOTE]I don't quite understand why she would come out asking for gifts. Why would she even think that she had something coming to her besides the agreed price.
I like this report. It has your own Sub flavor. If everyone wrote the report the same this site wouldn't be what it is.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1884324] Among other things I learned a new word, chapiadora. After googling it, I added the word to my vocabulary. Thx to you, when somebody's talks about chapiadoras, I don't have to say "no comprende".[/QUOTE]Chapiadora was first given to us by Boricuaonline and I presume it is a typical DR expression, IE. , may not be a Puerto Rican but I do not know. On Quejar (to complain / whine) etc, my personal favorite is "Jodon" or "Jodona". It very accurately reflects what the Spanish mean, when they use "Joder", and that too, rather generously.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1884444]Chapiadora was first given to us by Boricuaonline and I presume it is a typical DR expression, IE. , may not be a Puerto Rican but I do not know. On Quejar (to complain / whine) etc, my personal favorite is "Jodon" or "Jodona". It very accurately reflects what the Spanish mean, when they use "Joder", and that too, rather generously.[/QUOTE]Minor point.

Just for a group FYI, "joder" is also slang for "to screw. " But you can also use a vulgar expression. "No me joda!" (Don't bother / screw with me! The first time I heard the expression, all the "nice" ladies present acted shocked.

Second, using the word "chiquito", (very small).

The word "chiquito" is also Colombian slang for the a $$hole.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1884486]Just for a group FYI, "joder" is also slang for "to screw. [/QUOTE]That is quite right and the funny thing is that the Dominicans, at least those that I know, do not know that in Spain, the word "joder" means what it means and so they are rather amused by such a "regular" word (for them, as in Jodon. Pain in the neck) having the double-entendre. The Mexicans on the other hand like to "coger". Actually the vocab for related words in the Hispanophone lands, is rather rich.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1884545]That is quite right and the funny thing is that the Dominicans, at least those that I know, do not know that in Spain, the word "joder" means what it means and so they are rather amused by such a "regular" word (for them, as in Jodon. Pain in the neck) having the double-entendre. The Mexicans on the other hand like to "coger". Actually the vocab for related words in the Hispanophone lands, is rather rich.[/QUOTE]"Tirar" in Colombia, "singar" in DR.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1884570]"Tirar" in Colombia, "singar" in DR.[/QUOTE]Be careful with tirar, as in tiro, for it also could mean gunshot. Ex: "Se oyo un tiro!" (I heard a gunshot). The last thing you want is to tell the chica that you want to screw her and before you know it she is running down the street, away from you, because she thinks you are going to shoot her.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1884617]Be careful with tirar, as in tiro, for it also could mean gunshot. Ex: "Se oyo un tiro!" (I heard a gunshot). The last thing you want is to tell the chica that you want to screw her and before you know it she is running down the street, away from you, because she thinks you are going to shoot her.[/QUOTE]Yes, it depends on the context. But would anybody hear a f*ck?

One story about a gringo who wanted to say he was going to throw somebody out into the street. "Yo voy tirarlo en la calle. ".

The Colombians present laughed and asked him why he wanted to f*ck the guy in the street.

For throwing something or someone out, I'd use echar and not tirar.

For all the new guys who prefer or have to pay with credit cards. They are accepted in Sosua very well but when you get out of bigger areas you will have guys tell you that they take visa then when finished pumping gas they will run your card and it will say declined when you know it is good these people will then tell you where you can take cash off your card and that you can leave your wife or girl friend with them while you go get cash. I had 2 different places pull the same stuff in 1 day the 1st a gas station the 2nd a hotel. I called visa and ask if they seen any transactions being tried and they said no that probably the hotel just wanted cash and the gas station. In short when out of town take cash.

For the new guys who think you can drive better than most well you probably can and you have probably driven in New York city sin problems but I am here to tell you driving the DR is 1 in its own. Be very careful and always think speed bump.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1886338]For the new guys who think you can drive better than most well you probably can and you have probably driven in New York city sin problems but I am here to tell you driving the DR is 1 in its own. Be very careful and always think speed bump.[/QUOTE]Good advice, along with your post on credit cards.

For a hassle free vacation, never use a credit card in the DR, and never rent a car or motocycle. Use an ATM card only at a major bank.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1886537]Good advice, along with your post on credit cards.

For a hassle free vacation, never use a credit card in the DR, and never rent a car or motocycle. Use an ATM card only at a major bank.[/QUOTE]I never use a credit card. Cash is King. I always rent a car. Advantages are mobility, ability to pick up girls anywhere, ability to take girls anywhere, visit lots of places etc. Stcking to the strip in Sosua is not a good option. Driving is not really bad now that all repairs are done and importance is placed on the road between Puerto Plata and Cabarete. Dominican Republic is crowded like some other countries where all the people are on the road. Only people you need to worry about are the Motor Bike drivers who weave in and out of traffic. If you are a reasonably good driver in USA and do not get rattled easily rent a car and explore your options. Rental maybe expensive for one person. Always het the full bumper to bumper warranty which is about $30 a day in addition to rental charges.

While in Sosua playing the role of sexual tourist one morning I went to breakfast. When it was time to pay the bill I realized I had left all my cash in the safe back in my hotel room. Fortunately for me they took credit / debit cards. I used mine. And I have had no problems with fraudulent charges on my account. I was having so much fun I needed more chica cash. So went to an ATM and drained my account so I could continue to drain my balls.

While in Santo Domingo I used a Popular ATM inside of an Ole. Although I didn't know this before I used it, it was a machine known for dispensing and incorrect amount of cash. Usually less than was requested. This happened to me when I used it. I contacted the bank that issued my card. They took a report. They told me that in order to remain a member in good standing of the system owners of the ATM's need to make accurate audits of their machines. They would send a request for an investigation of my transaction and if my claim was valid I would receive a credit to my account. I received my credit within 30 days without having to follow up with my bank.

Mr. GoGo drove. And although he had a few problems getting the rental vehicle initially. No problems except for crazy drivers and a political rally that blocked traffic for an hour. Nothing highly unusual for the Dominican Republic.

Just saying.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1886338]For the new guys who think you can drive better than most well you probably can and you have probably driven in New York city sin problems but I am here to tell you driving the DR is 1 in its own. Be very careful and always think speed bump.[/QUOTE]Your ability to drive is meaningless; those other fools tho! I don't drive anywhere in DR anymore. I'll park and take a taxi. It's cheaper!

[QUOTE=Sammon;1886549]I never use a credit card. Cash is King. I always rent a car. Advantages are mobility, ability to pick up girls anywhere, ability to take girls anywhere, visit lots of places etc. Stcking to the strip in Sosua is not a good option. Driving is not really bad now that all repairs are done and importance is placed on the road between Puerto Plata and Cabarete. Dominican Republic is crowded like some other countries where all the people are on the road. Only people you need to worry about are the Motor Bike drivers who weave in and out of traffic. If you are a reasonably good driver in USA and do not get rattled easily rent a car and explore your options. Rental maybe expensive for one person. Always het the full bumper to bumper warranty which is about $30 a day in addition to rental charges.[/QUOTE]I see your point, but DR is the only place in the world where I don't rent a car. If I lived there, probably.

I have driven in NY, London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Berlin and managed OK, but somehow I feel more vulnerable to rip offs in the D.R. Spend time at the main corner of Pedro Cilante and watch them face off :)

I also like a couple of beers, so that's the main reason I don't drive down there. I don't need to find safe parking, check for scratches and anticipate the argument about damage when returning the car. I don't want to be responsible for a car.

I usually get a "cousin" to borrow/rent/steal one if I need to get around the Island in comfort. It's cheaper, and he'll pick us up wherever and whenever we need him.

Maybe it's age.

Sosua is the easiest place in the world to navigate. I drove in SD for a week. Now that was an experience. I have never felt the need to have a car in the DR since. I am not wining and dining these putas. I stay close enough to the action that I can walk. I go to Caberreti on the publico for 50 pesos. The only thing I rent in the DR are rooms and pussy. I was scammed once on a scooter and will never let that happen again.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1886566]I see your point, but DR is the only place in the world where I don't rent a car. If I lived there, probably.

I have driven in NY, London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Berlin and managed OK, but somehow I feel more vulnerable to rip offs in the D.R. Spend time at the main corner of Pedro Cilante and watch them face off :)

I also like a couple of beers, so that's the main reason I don't drive down there. I don't need to find safe parking, check for scratches and anticipate the argument about damage when returning the car. I don't want to be responsible for a car.

I usually get a "cousin" to borrow/rent/steal one if I need to get around the Island in comfort. It's cheaper, and he'll pick us up wherever and whenever we need him.

Maybe it's age.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1886575]Sosua is the easiest place in the world to navigate. I drove in SD for a week. Now that was an experience. I have never felt the need to have a car in the DR since. I am not wining and dining these putas. I stay close enough to the action that I can walk. I go to Caberreti on the publico for 50 pesos. The only thing I rent in the DR are rooms and pussy. I was scammed once on a scooter and will never let that happen again.[/QUOTE]Maybe driving in the DR is for the young and the fearless.

Taking a rental car back, always seemed to be chore to me. Gas up, wait in line to check have the car checked, finish the paper work, all that stuff. Takes time.

I figure down there they are still in the manual mode, and it does get hot.

My routine now is to have the GF pick me up and drop me off at the airport on her way back to her town. Nothing like coming through the line and seeing a smiling excited chica holding up a Presidente at that little AP bar. Let the fun begin!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1886575]Sosua is the easiest place in the world to navigate. I drove in SD for a week. Now that was an experience. I have never felt the need to have a car in the DR since. I am not wining and dining these putas. I stay close enough to the action that I can walk. I go to Caberreti on the publico for 50 pesos.[/QUOTE]Only a few weeks ago you were saying that you were meeting so many desirable partners online that you were thinking of staying in Santo Domingo and giving Sosua a miss. Now you seem to have reversed on that and decided that Santo Domingo is not worth bothering with. Care to explain the change of sentiment?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1886744]My routine now is to have the GF pick me up and drop me off at the airport on her way back to her town. Nothing like coming through the line and seeing a smiling excited chica holding up a . . .[/QUOTE]I thought you were going to say an 8 x 11 (A4 to you Brits) paper sign with your name on it "Papi Oakie" and that you make her wear a chauffeur's hat and white gloves.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1886744]Maybe driving in the DR is for the young and the fearless.

Taking a rental car back, always seemed to be chore to me. Gas up, wait in line to check have the car checked, finish the paper work, all that stuff. Takes time.

I figure down there they are still in the manual mode, and it does get hot.

My routine now is to have the GF pick me up and drop me off at the airport on her way back to her town. Nothing like coming through the line and seeing a smiling excited chica holding up a Presidente at that little AP bar. Let the fun begin![/QUOTE]If you buy full insurance returning the car is a cinch. Cars are auto transmission. All cars are air conditioned. Downside of having a chica wait for you is you are stuck with her and she knows where you stay.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1887110]If you buy full insurance returning the car is a cinch. Cars are auto transmission. All cars are air conditioned. Downside of having a chica wait for you is you are stuck with her and she knows where you stay.[/QUOTE]You are talking about mi princessa of 8 years, who swears she is madly in love with me, and is generally all I need down there.

The car deal sounds trouble free, but then there's my love of Presidente Lite. I'd need a designated driver anyway.

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1887084]I thought you were going to say an 8 x11 (A4 to you Brits) paper sign with your name on it "Papi Oakie" and that you make her wear a chauffeur's hat and white gloves.[/QUOTE]Close enough!

She dresses like she has just come from a disco, and calls me Santa Claus, LOL.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1889303]
1000 pesos a month will feed one kid. That's right! I said 1000 pesos feeds one kid for a month. And you paying the chicas 1000 to 1500 pesos a fuck? You are helping feed her kids? Only if you are her first fuck of the month? [/QUOTE]I would like to know how you calculated this and what nutritional standards you consider to be reasonable.

I agree that rice is pretty cheap and older children can drink water, not juices or sodas, and fresh fruit is fairly cheap in the DR, but you say you can feed a child (age unspecified) for 1000 pesos a month, but one glass of milk daily or a small carton of chocolate milk would use up more than half of this budget of about US $0. 75 per day regardless of whether you buy ready made or the powders like Nido or Alpha plus that have added vitamins and minerals formulated for children. School lunches in the DR cost 100 pesos or more daily, so that alone could be 2000 pesos per month. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] are 15 pesos each if bought singly and a bit cheaper if bought in larger packs, but 2 or 3 per day would meet your 1000 pesos. How about health insurance and the cost of medications? A bottle of pediatric Augmentin is how much? I think about 400 pesos. A bottle of cough medicine? A copayment at the pediatrician office? And then there is the cost of childrens clothing, school uniforms, shoes, back-to-school supplies, and so on. Transportation to school in a guagua will run about 2000 pesos a month and not much cheaper using motoconchos. And then women may have to pay caregivers to mind the children while they work if they don't have mothers doing this.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1889543]I would like to know how you calculated this and what nutritional standards you consider to be reasonable.

I agree that rice is pretty cheap and older children can drink water, not juices or sodas, and fresh fruit is fairly cheap in the DR, but you say you can feed a child (age unspecified) for 1000 pesos a month, but one glass of milk daily or a small carton of chocolate milk would use up more than half of this budget of about US $0. 75 per day regardless of whether you buy ready made or the powders like Nido or Alpha plus that have added vitamins and minerals formulated for children. School lunches in the DR cost 100 pesos or more daily, so that alone could be 2000 pesos per month. are 15 pesos each if bought singly and a bit cheaper if bought in larger packs, but 2 or 3 per day would meet your 1000 pesos. How about health insurance and the cost of medications? A bottle of pediatric Augmentin is how much? I think about 400 pesos. A bottle of cough medicine? A copayment at the pediatrician office? And then there is the cost of childrens clothing, school uniforms, shoes, back-to-school supplies, and so on. Transportation to school in a guagua will run about 2000 pesos a month and not much cheaper using motoconchos. And then women may have to pay caregivers to mind the children while they work if they don't have mothers doing this.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. I lived with a girl and her child last year in Puerto Plata and there was no way I could feed him on 1000 pesos a month, not even close.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1889565]I agree 100%. I lived with a girl and her child last year in Puerto Plata and there was no way I could feed him on 1000 pesos a month, not even close.[/QUOTE]And if the child is an infant not yet toilet-trained, add at least 2000 pesos a month for Pampers and wipes. At La Sirena, they sell that stuff on par to the US, if not more.

Edit: Frannie mentioned this already actually. I called them Pampers and it was fine but he used dyapers and the word was banned.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1889565]I agree 100%. I lived with a girl and her child last year in Puerto Plata and there was no way I could feed him on 1000 pesos a month, not even close.[/QUOTE]I live in Puerto Plata with my partner, her 7-year-old, and her (now) 16 month-old infant. I keep meticulous and detailed records of household spending and I can report that for his first 16 months we have spent just over 3000 pesos per month on him. A lot of his clothes are gifts or hand-me-downs from his elder brother and his mother makes good use of the free hospital services. His food does not cost much as he is just now being weaned. Most of the expense has been for routine medical checks and inoculations, medicines, pampers and accessories. Fortunately, he is very healthy and lives in a good environment. If, like many babies here, he lived somewhere damp, or dirty, or insect-infested, the medical bills might be a lot higher.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1889585]I live in Puerto Plata with my partner, her 7-year-old, and her (now) 16 month-old infant.[/QUOTE]If what you three say is true, those that have a substantially longer and creditable experience, I take it there is an obnoxious and pompous contributor trying to preach his "reality". Banning him from the forum would not be such a bad idea, if nothing else, to avoid vile language for no good reason but for the sake of mouthing useless arguments and to display a spiteful temperament.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1889585]I live in Puerto Plata with my partner, her 7-year-old, and her (now) 16 month-old infant. I keep meticulous and detailed records of household spending and I can report that for his first 16 months we have spent just over 3000 pesos per month on him. A lot of his clothes are gifts or hand-me-downs from his elder brother and his mother makes good use of the free hospital services. His food does not cost much as he is just now being weaned. Most of the expense has been for routine medical checks and inoculations, medicines, pampers and accessories. Fortunately, he is very healthy and lives in a good environment. If, like many babies here, he lived somewhere damp, or dirty, or insect-infested, the medical bills might be a lot higher.[/QUOTE]If the child is being breast fed, there will be no charges at point of service, but you need to account for the cost of nutrients consumed by the mother for breast milk inputs.

Also you might like to look at your records to determine the cost of ownership for a 7-year old. You will need to include expenses like crayons, the cost of cleaning graffiti from walls, ice cream, and papitas.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1889565]I agree 100%. I lived with a girl and her child last year in Puerto Plata and there was no way I could feed him on 1000 pesos a month, not even close.[/QUOTE]Agreed. The notion of feeding a child for 1000 pesos a month is absurd.

Even surviving on (cooked) dry rice and beans, and water, if a kid eats more than once a day, (forget decent nutrition (vegetables, fruit) 1000RD /25 $US a month is not enough.

If you feed a kid like an Somali refugee you might scrape by.

When I do grocery shopping at La Sirena in Santiago (comparable to others in other cities) a couple of weeks worth of food, basics, runs about 7000 pesos ($155 US). Modest by US grocery standards, but illustrates that feeding a child for a month on 1000RD is nonsense.

VERY little in the DR is cheap by US standards, and when the peso devaluates (recall when it was around 30 or 35 to the dollar) the cost of everything rises. Wages do not.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1889628]If what you three say is true, those that have a substantially longer and creditable experience, I take it there is an obnoxious and pompous contributor trying to preach his "reality". Banning him from the forum would not be such a bad idea, if nothing else, to avoid vile language for no good reason but for the sake of mouthing useless arguments and to display a spiteful temperament.[/QUOTE]Better yet just do like I do and ignore him. When you see someone who is bent on self destruction and lies, even after you have tried to help them, let them live in their fantasy world. It's best to stay out their way and elevate above them to keep the negative karma from coming your way. No one wants to deal with him (except the women that he over-pays) so he uses this board as an outlet to get attention that most people won't give him as they get to know him. Just ignoring him forces him to have to deal with himself and continue his misery.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1889628]If what you three say is true, those that have a substantially longer and creditable experience, I take it there is an obnoxious and pompous contributor trying to preach his "reality". Banning him from the forum would not be such a bad idea, if nothing else, to avoid vile language for no good reason but for the sake of mouthing useless arguments and to display a spiteful temperament.[/QUOTE]Better yet just do like I do and ignore him. When you see someone who is bent on self destruction and lies, even after you have tried to help them, let them live in their fantasy world. It's best to stay out their way and elevate above them to keep the negative karma from coming your way. No one wants to deal with him (except the women that he over-pays) so he uses this board as an outlet to get attention that most people won't give him as they get to know him. Just ignoring him forces him to have to deal with himself and continue his misery.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1889764]In your reply, you jump all over the age spectrum in your estimate of costs and we both know they will differ dramatically depending on the specific age of the child. Since you desire to challenge my statement, I would like to see your age specific list of expenses for raising a child in the Dominican Republic at Dominican standards in pesos. Pick any age you would like. Give me your specific examples of how much it costs to feed your child or the child of someone you intimately know. Feel free to do this by PM if you don't want to reveal this private information in a public forum.

You have a valid point. You have pointed out that there are additional costs of raising a child (age unspecified) here in the Dominican Republic. But my post did not address those issues. I specifically addressed the costs of feeding a child. Here is what I wrote:[/QUOTE]When you are buying food for a family, it is almost impossible to quantify the exact amount of food bought for a single child at any specific age point, but you have claimed that a child can be fed for less than a dollar a day. I know of a child whose mother was paying around 2000 pesos per month for school lunches, so that is about 100 pesos per school day, so already double the amount that you state is the norm in the DR. The exact amount varied depending on exactly what she ate. It was no cheaper to pack lunches or snacks for the child to take to school.

But a small ice cream cone is about 30 pesos, a quart carton of milk is about 42 pesos, a small bottle of cold water is 10 pesos, a can of beans is 40 pesos, so how can you feed a child on about 33 pesos a day, which is what you say?

Since you have this certain knowledge that it only costs 1000 pesos per month to feed a child in the DR, I am sure there are lots of readers and lost of families who would like to know how this is done. If you can feed a child on 75 cents a day in the DR, you can probably do it on 50 cents per day in the US.

I realize you said this is just for food, and does not include other expenses of raising children, but I think that when girls say they need money to feed their children, they are just simplifying the whole story a bit to avoid going into details. If the chica's mother is taking care of the children, the chica is probably sending her money out of which the grandmother will also feed herself, buy [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url], milk formula, and other things the child needs. When a chica says she needs money for food for her children, that is not a promise to spend any funds received on absolutely nothing but nutrition for the child (ren).

Anyway, you have made this claim that a child in the DR can be fed on 1000 pesos a month, which is less than a dollar a day. Now please explain what this will buy for the child, so that we know you are not just bullshitting. You are the person on the ground who has this superior knowledge that we do not have. I, on the other hand have lived in the DR for more than 2 years (though I am not there now) and fed two children at various ages and do not see how one could feed a child on 1000 pesos per month even if you eliminated all luxuries and treats and minimized portions of proteins like chicken, fish, and eggs and fed the child mainly on rice and beans.

Share your knowledge with us, if you have any.

That guy won't respond because he was just talking out of his ass as usual. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw one of those commercials on TV (he never leaves his apartment) where they trick you into sending money to help feed the homeless kids. Two years living in SD and didn't know where Boca Chica was but claims to know everything Dominican. Apartment that leaks every time it rains. A big ass expensive gas guzzler to drive two blocks and back. Claims to be a photographer but most of his pictures are out of focus. Creates a forum about being a sugar daddy full time and deletes anyone who doesn't praise him. Frannie keeps exposing him as a fool and he still hasn't caught on. Never have a seen a 50+ guy so out of touch with reality. We had a great trip when he humbled himself and took it all in but as soon as he got back he was back to that weird guy.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1889585]I live in Puerto Plata with my partner, her 7-year-old, and her (now) 16 month-old infant. I keep meticulous and detailed records of household spending and I can report that for his first 16 months we have spent just over 3000 pesos per month on him. A lot of his clothes are gifts or hand-me-downs from his elder brother and his mother makes good use of the free hospital services. His food does not cost much as he is just now being weaned. Most of the expense has been for routine medical checks and inoculations, medicines, pampers and accessories. Fortunately, he is very healthy and lives in a good environment. If, like many babies here, he lived somewhere damp, or dirty, or insect-infested, the medical bills might be a lot higher.[/QUOTE]So you will know very soon how expensive formula is, kids drink that stuff like it's going out of style.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1889851]Better yet just do like I do and ignore him. When you see someone who is bent on self destruction and lies, even after you have tried to help them, let them live in their fantasy world. It's best to stay out their way and elevate above them to keep the negative karma from coming your way. No one wants to deal with him (except the women that he over-pays) so he uses this board as an outlet to get attention that most people won't give him as they get to know him. Just ignoring him forces him to have to deal with himself and continue his misery.[/QUOTE]Okay I'm lost did I miss something.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1889894]That guy won't respond because he was just talking out of his ass as usual. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw one of those commercials on TV (he never leaves his apartment) where they trick you into sending money to help feed the homeless kids. Two years living in SD and didn't know where Boca Chica was but claims to know everything Dominican. Apartment that leaks every time it rains. A big ass expensive gas guzzler to drive two blocks and back. Claims to be a photographer but most of his pictures are out of focus. Creates a forum about being a sugar daddy full time and deletes anyone who doesn't praise him. Frannie keeps exposing him as a fool and he still hasn't caught on. Never have a seen a 50+ guy so out of touch with reality. We had a great trip when he humbled himself and took it all in but as soon as he got back he was back to that weird guy.[/QUOTE]Ugh yeah somebody on that yak.

Fellas quick question. It's been about four yrs since my last trip to Sosua, can't travel for fun any longer. Friend of mine is making his first trip on Thursday June 23. We booked our flights, Jetblue has added late night route from JFK to POP for the summer. Only issue is we arrive at POP at 2 am.

Hotel (New Garden) will charge us for a whole day even though we may not get to hotel until 3 am. Would rather pay for a nutm.

Can anyone recommend a Cabana or hotel in Sosua that does short stays. I know about the spot behind Bar Central I was looking for something a little of the strip.

Trip report to follow.

Everything will be shut down when you get in. There may be Cabanas in POP. I am sure but a cab driver would know where they are but they are going to want the Sosua fare. There is a site for DR Cabanas. How much is the flight.

Everything

[QUOTE=LoveFiveStar;1890228]Fellas quick question. It's been about four yrs since my last trip to Sosua, can't travel for fun any longer. Friend of mine is making his first trip on Thursday June 23. We booked our flights, Jetblue has added late night route from JFK to POP for the summer. Only issue is we arrive at POP at 2 am.

Hotel (New Garden) will charge us for a whole day even though we may not get to hotel until 3 am. Would rather pay for a nutm.

Can anyone recommend a Cabana or hotel in Sosua that does short stays. I know about the spot behind Bar Central I was looking for something a little of the strip.

Trip report to follow.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=LoveFiveStar;1890228]Fellas quick question. It's been about four yrs since my last trip to Sosua, can't travel for fun any longer. Friend of mine is making his first trip on Thursday June 23. We booked our flights, Jetblue has added late night route from JFK to POP for the summer. Only issue is we arrive at POP at 2 am.

Hotel (New Garden) will charge us for a whole day even though we may not get to hotel until 3 am. Would rather pay for a nutm.

Can anyone recommend a Cabana or hotel in Sosua that does short stays. I know about the spot behind Bar Central I was looking for something a little of the strip.

Trip report to follow.[/QUOTE]Just a thought. Consider Field of Dreams, just across from the eastern entrance to Playa Dorada complex. The management has run the place into the ground to the point you can bet they will have vacancies. You might try emailing them to explain your time requirement. you might be able to arrange picking up the keys from someone. At absolute worst, pull up a lounge chair and crash for a few hours. If someone objects, ask them for a room key. A few miles west of the POP airport.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1890266]Just a thought. Consider Field of Dreams, just across from the eastern entrance to Playa Dorada complex. The management has run the place into the ground to the point you can bet they will have vacancies. You might try emailing them to explain your time requirement. you might be able to arrange picking up the keys from someone. At absolute worst, pull up a lounge chair and crash for a few hours. If someone objects, ask them for a room key. A few miles west of the POP airport.[/QUOTE]Respectfully speaking Mr Yanqui but that defeats his purpose which is to save money. It's 20 usd for a taxi to FOD from the airport then 30-40 for a taxi from FOD to Sosua. With his luggage and not being familiar with the landscape a publico taxi isn't a viable option.

He should check coco hotel and Calypso as they cut short term deals. Also After 1 disco is still open so he could leave his luggage in the office at New Garden and go party then have breakfast and check in the hotel after 9 am.

[QUOTE=LoveFiveStar;1890228]Only issue is we arrive at POP at 2 am.

Hotel (New Garden) will charge us for a whole day even though we may not get to hotel until 3 am. Would rather pay for a nutm.

Can anyone recommend a Cabana or hotel in Sosua that does short stays. I know about the spot behind Bar Central I was looking for something a little of the strip.[/QUOTE]Dulce Secreto. But you have to realize that cabanas are first come, first serve. I don't know if you want to roll into town at that hour without a place to stay, only to find out the cabana is full.

Do yourself a favor and pay New Garden. Old Kool mentioned cabanas in Puerto Plata. He may not realize that the cabanas there are on the opposite side of the city closer to Maimon. So by the time you pay a taxi both ways and pay for the room, then you should have just stayed at NG for that night.

I think Field of Dreams is like $60. And sleep in a lounge chair at a pool to let mosquitos eat you alive all night? Just take the easy way dude.

[QUOTE=LoveFiveStar;1890228]...Can anyone recommend a Cabana or hotel in Sosua that does short stays. I know about the spot behind Bar Central I was looking for something a little of the strip.

Trip report to follow.[/QUOTE]Stay at Calypso Hotel for a couple hours. They are pretty cheap and right off Pedro Clisante.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1890307]Dulce Secreto. But you have to realize that cabanas are first come, first serve. I don't know if you want to roll into town at that hour without a place to stay, only to find out the cabana is full.

Do yourself a favor and pay New Garden. Old Kool mentioned cabanas in Puerto Plata. He may not realize that the cabanas there are on the opposite side of the city closer to Maimon. So by the time you pay a taxi both ways and pay for the room, then you should have just stayed at NG for that night.

I think Field of Dreams is like $60. And sleep in a lounge chair at a pool to let mosquitos eat you alive all night? Just take the easy way dude.[/QUOTE]I agree, or just stay at a cheap hotel like Don Antonio or Orchidee and share the room between the two of you to save cash, if that is a major factor for you. After arriving at 2:00 am You will probably want to just get a shower and sleep for several hours. If you really want to go on the cheap, you could sit it out at the airport until daylight and then find somewhere in Sosua for an early breakfast. Alternatively you could PM SubCmdr for information on how to vacation in the DR on $5 per day. You COULD go to Calypso and sleep there, but how short of cash are you really? If you end up not being able to sleep, where is the saving?

The night staff at most hotels are skeleton crews. Checking when the staff is there is hard enough. Try working with the night guard getting your room good luck. Cabanas busy time is after mid night and they are cheap. I have never seen Dulce secreto sold out.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1890473]I agree, or just stay at a cheap hotel like Don Antonio or Orchidee and share the room between the two of you to save cash, if that is a major factor for you. After arriving at 2:00 am You will probably want to just get a shower and sleep for several hours. If you really want to go on the cheap, you could sit it out at the airport until daylight and then find somewhere in Sosua for an early breakfast. Alternatively you could PM SubCmdr for information on how to vacation in the DR on $5 per day. You COULD go to Calypso and sleep there, but how short of cash are you really? If you end up not being able to sleep, where is the saving?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frannie;1890473]...in the DR on $5 per day.[/QUOTE]Frannie, the $5 is that before or after they charge you Itibis and Ley?

[QUOTE=LoveFiveStar;1890228]Hotel (New Garden) will charge us for a whole day even though we may not get to hotel until 3 am.[/QUOTE]Not a bad idea to just goto the New Garden and split one room until check out. You wake up in Sosua and ready for action. It's a small price to pay to avoid any frustrations and hassles.

Mr. GoGo's suggestion of dropping your bags at the New Garden and spending time at After1 is excellent. I've been there (with Mr. GoGo actually). A fun after hours place with lots of talent. If you are in party mode it's a great way to start your vacation in the 24/7/365 style, if that's how you like to roll. No sleep til!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1890516]The night staff at most hotels are skeleton crews. Checking when the staff is there is hard enough. Try working with the night guard getting your room good luck. Cabanas busy time is after mid night and they are cheap. I have never seen Dulce secreto sold out.[/QUOTE]There are skeleton crews 24 hours in most Sosua hotels. The places I stay there is always only 1 person to check you in no matter what time it is. They may be asleep and you have to wake them up, but they are there. And how many people do you need to take your money and give you a key? The poster is arriving at 2 am, hence after midnight, and as you put it the busy time for cabanas. I have only been to DS twice. Once was in the dead afternoon when I was able to get a room, and another was late that same night, when like the OP, I only needed a short stay with a chica, but they were full. That is how I ended up finding the place I stay now. We asked a motorbike taxi guy and he led us to the hotel.

The only places I have seen a hotel not have a clerk 24 hours is at the hotel that I stay in in Boca Chica. After 10 pm only the guard is there.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1890473]I agree, or just stay at a cheap hotel like Don Antonio or Orchidee and share the room between the two of you to save cash, if that is a major factor for you. After arriving at 2:00 am You will probably want to just get a shower and sleep for several hours. If you really want to go on the cheap, you could sit it out at the airport until daylight and then find somewhere in Sosua for an early breakfast. Alternatively you could PM SubCmdr for information on how to vacation in the DR on $5 per day. You COULD go to Calypso and sleep there, but how short of cash are you really? If you end up not being able to sleep, where is the saving?[/QUOTE]Another benefit of having a long term regular chica is that I never have to worry about what time I arrive, she is there with our ride (and a cold Presidente).

I have arrived late at both Boca Chica from La Romana, and POP, and I'm whisked off to stay with "cousins" in the area. A little drink, a little home cooking for the special occasion, maybe fresh atun, even chicken wings. A little propina para Mama, and it if it weren't for the lack of a warm shower, and a private room I would be tempted to stay all week!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1890516]The night staff at most hotels are skeleton crews. Checking when the staff is there is hard enough. Try working with the night guard getting your room good luck. Cabanas busy time is after mid night and they are cheap. I have never seen Dulce secreto sold out.[/QUOTE]I have seen it sold out. If there is nobody waiting they will alllow one car to wait for a room to come free if they are cleaning a room, but after that they will just not let you drive in at all and will place a barrier at the entrance. The time it is most likely to be full is on weekend nights. This is because people will take the room for the entire night--probably Dominicans--if they don't have another place to stay in Sosua. (Old Kool, you do not say how many times you have been to Dulce Secreto and on what days and at what times, and whether you ever had to wait for a room. Since you do not rent cars I assume that you were arriving in taxis or on motos, but was this late at night? I do not recall you ever reporting on your use of Dulce Secreto, but I could be wrong.)

What Mr. Enternational says about checking in at night is true in my experience, for example at the Hotel Europa or Romanoff. Don't just speculate. Tell us about a time when you tried to check in at night, which hotel you are referring to, what happened, and what you did next!

[QUOTE=Boriman;1890520]Frannie, the $5 is that before or after they charge you Itibis and Ley?[/QUOTE]How dare you ask a question? If you need to ask, you are just showing your ignorance. You are probably one of these Western Union toyboys who pays chicas more than 100 pesos a week to fuck you up the ass with a pepino. But if you really want to know, there are no taxes in the DR or payment is purely voluntary and not expected if you are a VIP like me.

Some hotels only have security at night. Casa Cayeno, Sosua suite and Rockys will not provide late night check in. I use Dulce secreto for 3 somes and the Jacuzzi. Europa will only let you bring in one girl at a time. I have not been to the Cabana on Saturday nights but the times I was there the place looked desolate.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1890665]I have seen it sold out. If there is nobody waiting they will alllow one car to wait for a room to come free if they are cleaning a room, but after that they will just not let you drive in at all and will place a barrier at the entrance. The time it is most likely to be full is on weekend nights. This is because people will take the room for the entire night--probably Dominicans--if they don't have another place to stay in Sosua. (Old Kool, you do not say how many times you have been to Dulce Secreto and on what days and at what times, and whether you ever had to wait for a room. Since you do not rent cars I assume that you were arriving in taxis or on motos, but was this late at night? I do not recall you ever reporting on your use of Dulce Secreto, but I could be wrong.)

What Mr. Enternational says about checking in at night is true in my experience, for example at the Hotel Europa or Romanoff. Don't just speculate. Tell us about a time when you tried to check in at night, which hotel you are referring to, what happened, and what you did next![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1890711]Some hotels only have security at night. Casa Cayeno, Sosua suite and Rockys will not provide late night check in. I use Dulce secreto for 3 somes and the Jacuzzi. Europa will only let you bring in one girl at a time. I have not been to the Cabana on Saturday nights but the times I was there the place looked desolate.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure, if you let Kelsey know beforehand, what time you're arriving, he'll make sure you can get a room at Sosua Suites. The only problem is getting security to open the gate and call him. The same is probably true at Casa Cayena / Sosua Sunrise. The key is letting them know your arrival time.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1890516]The night staff at most hotels are skeleton crews. Checking when the staff is there is hard enough. Try working with the night guard getting your room good luck. Cabanas busy time is after mid night and they are cheap. I have never seen Dulce secreto sold out.[/QUOTE]Dulce Secreto sells out regularly late at night on weekends.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1890669]...Western Union toyboys who pays chicas more than 100 pesos a week to fuck you up the ass with a pepino...[/QUOTE]I find it shocking that you would accuse me of paying 100 pesos for such a stunt. I would never, and have never, done such a thing. Actually, I pay 75 pesos. Frannie, please correct yourself.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1890253]Everything will be shut down when you get in. There may be Cabanas in POP. There is a site for DR Cabanas. How much is the flight.

Everything

.[/QUOTE]Flight was $337 when I booked it's gone up a lot since. It was so low I couldn't pass it up. Just got to figure out what to do when we get in at 2 am.

[QUOTE=Boriman;1890520]Frannie, the $5 is that before or after they charge you Itibis and Ley?[/QUOTE]Funny you should bring this up. I was just talking to a friend who works in immigration and is studying tax law. She told me:

Impuestos sobre la transferencia de bienes industrializados y servicios (ITBIS) - Tax for the transfer of industrialized goods and services is 18%.

Ley is short for Ley Laboral or Labor Law. It says in part that servers are due 10% of the bill. So when you see ley as part of your bill, that is the tip that is already included. I asked her why they don't just write propina (tip) instead of Ley. She said she does not know why. That is up to the owner of the establishment as to what they write it on the menu as.

I cannot even begin to tell you how many times I've been with fellow mongers and they were determined to leave a tip despite the fact that we paid for Itibis and Ley. When I refuse to contribute to the 'propina' I am looked on as the bad guy. I will leave a tip if the service is quite outstanding or if I am interested in the chica (and even with this it is rare.). Excellent point, Mr Enternational.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1890884]I asked her why they don't just write propina (tip) instead of Ley. She said she does not know why.[/QUOTE]To make it clear that the proprietor is obliged by law to impose this charge. In case a customer protests that he does not want to give a propina.

In many establishments the owners pocket this and the staff never see it. Or they are notionally paid it but have bullshit expenses (like laundry of uniforms) deducted. Haitian employees in particular rarely see any of it.

In other places the staff receive all of it, but no other wages.

Many places catering for gringos do not show one or both charges as extra but include them in the overall price. But they still have to pay the ITBIS to the authorities and should pay the "ley" to eligible staff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1890307]Dulce Secreto. But you have to realize that cabanas are first come, first serve. I don't know if you want to roll into town at that hour without a place to stay, only to find out the cabana is full.

Do yourself a favor and pay New Garden. Old Kool mentioned cabanas in Puerto Plata. He may not realize that the cabanas there are on the opposite side of the city closer to Maimon. So by the time you pay a taxi both ways and pay for the room, then you should have just stayed at NG for that night.

I think Field of Dreams is like $60. And sleep in a lounge chair at a pool to let mosquitos eat you alive all night? Just take the easy way dude.[/QUOTE]Just pay the money of NG. $50 or $60, Then find a woman to fulfill your needs, then get some sleep.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1891113]To make it clear that the proprietor is obliged by law to impose this charge. In case a customer protests that he does not want to give a propina.

In many establishments the owners pocket this and the staff never see it. Or they are notionally paid it but have bullshit expenses (like laundry of uniforms) deducted. Haitian employees in particular rarely see any of it.

In other places the staff receive all of it, but no other wages.

Many places catering for gringos do not show one or both charges as extra but include them in the overall price. But they still have to pay the ITBIS to the authorities and should pay the "ley" to eligible staff.[/QUOTE]In Bogota, Colombia (I don't know if it's just a local or a national ordnance) they have something similar, a 10% propina that is added to the bill. However, it states on the bill, the propina is optional and customer can deduct it from the bill if unwilling to pay.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1891113]To make it clear that the proprietor is obliged by law to impose this charge. In case a customer protests that he does not want to give a propina.

In many establishments the owners pocket this and the staff never see it. Or they are notionally paid it but have bullshit expenses (like laundry of uniforms) deducted. Haitian employees in particular rarely see any of it.

In other places the staff receive all of it, but no other wages.

Many places catering for gringos do not show one or both charges as extra but include them in the overall price. But they still have to pay the ITBIS to the authorities and should pay the "ley" to eligible staff.[/QUOTE]Most of the owners in the Bocachica area charge the taxes but neither are shown in the receipt nor are paid to to the Gov. When confronted with this situation, I demand the " comprobante fiscal". Most of the time they are unable to produce it, in which case I refused to pay the taxes. It may generate a little argument but one that so far I have never lost.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1890884]Funny you should bring this up. I was just talking to a friend who works in immigration and is studying tax law. She told me:

Impuestos sobre la transferencia de bienes industrializados y servicios (ITBIS) - Tax for the transfer of industrialized goods and services is 18%.

Ley is short for Ley Laboral or Labor Law. It says in part that servers are due 10% of the bill. So when you see ley as part of your bill, that is the tip that is already included. I asked her why they don't just write propina (tip) instead of Ley. She said she does not know why. That is up to the owner of the establishment as to what they write it on the menu as.[/QUOTE]Thanks man! I've never understood Ley. And I don't think many Dominicans do either. I've asked and never received a direct answer like you provided. I don't know all things Dominican and never claimed I did. I only know what I know. I'm always happy to learn from someone willing to teach in a respectful manner.

This reminds me of Baileys in Sosua. They were charging this for years and one day Santo Domingo found out. They sent someone over there and before you know it they were closed down for several months.

From my experience many places that charge it do not have a legal right to do so. In addition, many years ago I went to Morua Mai with a local and upon showing his ID he was exempt from paying the Itibis. Several years later, at the same restaurant, I asked the owner about this and she was evasive, and said that they always had to pay the tax.

Arrived at Boca Chica and a bus was in the front. It was loaded with about 35 Young black English guys. They say they were on their way to the Sue. Talk with them for a second they are athletes businessmen and college students. I say between the ages of 25 and 30. They will all out of rubbers. I looked out for me I always keep a pack of cheap rubbers for those who forget theirs. Dude said they are acting like they never had pussy before. It's four to a room. How the f* they do that. They took every room available at Villa Capri. S* I started to sell my room. One guy is not coming to school for three years and he's organized a tour guide service. The Sue is in for trouble.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1891193]
Could you let Frannie know that the lower we push the estimated number of prostitutes in the Dominican Republic, the stronger my argument becomes that a woman does not need to be a prostitute to feed her children? He can pick any number he likes when it comes to the cost of raising a child. Because if poverty was the sole reason women enter prostitution in the Dominican Republic we would expect that number to be around 35 - 40%. [/QUOTE]Your whole concept is way off beam. We are not just talking about all Dominican women, but about (mostly) single mothers who do not have college educations. Now in the US only a very small number of such women prostitute themselves, but on the other hand they can usually earn at least $10 per hour in unskilled jobs, and they have access to food stamps (SNAP), subsidized or capped rentals via HUD, Medicaid, CHIP free school breakfasts and lunches, free schools, free school buses, Social Security disability (in some cases), and some other programs. She can probably also earn $40 for 2 hours work off the books cleaning someone's house. Now what is the Dominican equivalent to food stamps? Are groceries and formulas cheaper in the DR than in the US? How much can she earn for cleaning someone's house in the DR?

Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She is hard working and intelligent and honest and likes to go to school and do courses. I have known her for about 5 years. She worked for me for about 2 years. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job.

After I left the DR she was left jobless. She now has a new job working 6 days a week in a clothing store in Sosua as a sales assistant. After she pays 100 pesos a day for transportation to and from Montellano plus pays for her daily lunches she has 1500 pesos per two weeks left over for herself (and to feed a child, but she doesn't have a child) or to give to her mother.

So that is just an example of the economics of life for a young women in unskilled work. Now give me your example of someone you know and how much they earn, how much it costs them to get to work, and so on.

The other point I take issue with you on is the question of how often women accept money for sex. You are kind of assuming that women will have several clients per day for most of the days in the month, , make a lot of money, and spend most of it on luxuries, but while that might be the case for some hard core pros fpr a limited time in their short careers, I don't believe it is the case with the majority of part timers who just get a paying client or boyfriend when they can, or when they really need extra cash to pay bills or something.

Incidentally another Haitian woman who also worked for me who was older, uglier, fatter, and stupider, is currently living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. When I asked how she got over there, of course the answer was that she had a boyfriend who took her. So yes, Dominican and Haitian chicas are ingenious and find ways to travel all over the world, but it is rarely without financial help from someone else.

I would be interested to hear accounts from others for personal experiences on how much Dominican single mothers earn and how much it really costs to live there and feed a family.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1891550]Your whole concept is way off beam. We are not just talking about all Dominican women, but about (mostly) single mothers who do not have college educations. Now in the US only a very small number of such women prostitute themselves, but on the other hand they can usually earn at least $10 per hour in unskilled jobs, and they have access to food stamps (SNAP), subsidized or capped rentals via HUD, Medicaid, CHIP free school breakfasts and lunches, free schools, free school buses, Social Security disability (in some cases), and some other programs. She can probably also earn $40 for 2 hours work off the books cleaning someone's house. Now what is the Dominican equivalent to food stamps? Are groceries and formulas cheaper in the DR than in the US? How much can she earn for cleaning someone's house in the DR?

Here is an example. I know a pleasant young Haitian woman (attractive). She lives with her family in Montellano. She is a legal resident of the DR. She is married, but her husband is in Haiti. She is not a hooker. She is hard working and intelligent and honest and likes to go to school and do courses. I have known her for about 5 years. She worked for me for about 2 years. She got 5000 pesos from me every 2 weeks, plus transportation fare, plus free meals on the job.

After I left the DR she was left jobless. She now has a new job working 6 days a week in a clothing store in Sosua as a sales assistant. After she pays 100 pesos a day for transportation to and from Montellano plus pays for her daily lunches she has 1500 pesos per two weeks left over for herself (and to feed a child, but she doesn't have a child) or to give to her mother.

So that is just an example of the economics of life for a young women in unskilled work. Now give me your example of someone you know and how much they earn, how much it costs them to get to work, and so on.

The other point I take issue with you on is the question of how often women accept money for sex. You are kind of assuming that women will have several clients per day for most of the days in the month, , make a lot of money, and spend most of it on luxuries, but while that might be the case for some hard core pros fpr a limited time in their short careers, I don't believe it is the case with the majority of part timers who just get a paying client or boyfriend when they can, or when they really need extra cash to pay bills or something.

Incidentally another Haitian woman who also worked for me who was older, uglier, fatter, and stupider, is currently living in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. When I asked how she got over there, of course the answer was that she had a boyfriend who took her. So yes, Dominican and Haitian chicas are ingenious and find ways to travel all over the world, but it is rarely without financial help from someone else.

I would be interested to hear accounts from others for personal experiences on how much Dominican single mothers earn and how much it really costs to live there and feed a family.[/QUOTE]I wrote about this topic months ago, but here goes again.

An outside sales rep for a plastics company got paid about 250 US a month.

A chica I met a few years ago at BB said she had worked at a department store previously, pay was 200 US.

Consider the basic expenses, DR electricity is expensive, water, rent, food (not even considering transportation, maybe a phone, not even internet / cable).

All that on a single income of 250 US?

Many get help from relatives in the US, family in the DR, but is it any wonder so many are willing to moonlight as a hooker, WU novio, or regular boyfriend.

I would like to see anyone on this board try to live on 250 US a month, even as a single man, with no family to support.

[QUOTE=Yanqui69;1891560]I wrote about this topic months ago, but here goes again.

An outside sales rep for a plastics company got paid about 250 US a month.

A chica I met a few years ago at BB said she had worked at a department store previously, pay was 200 US.

Consider the basic expenses, DR electricity is expensive, water, rent, food (not even considering transportation, maybe a phone, not even internet / cable).

All that on a single income of 250 US?

Many get help from relatives in the US, family in the DR, but is it any wonder so many are willing to moonlight as a hooker, WU novio, or regular boyfriend.

I would like to see anyone on this board try to live on 250 US a month, even as a single man, with no family to support.[/QUOTE]Relax, it's all bullshit.

The only thing worse than a woman with little option but to sell her body, are the asshole losers who have to buy it from them.

That includes me, and everybody else who mongers in Sosua.

Those that brag about their "conquests", and denigrate the girls down there are in serious need of psychiatric counselling.

Why does anybody take these assholes seriously?

If you do, then you need counselling too.

Its called P4 P, and it's YOU that PAYS!

No pay? No sex!

Getting it for free?

Fuck off and join alt.binaries.truelove, if you insist on talking about it publicly :)

Next?

[QUOTE=Boriman;1890940]I cannot even begin to tell you how many times I've been with fellow mongers and they were determined to leave a tip despite the fact that we paid for Itibis and Ley. When I refuse to contribute to the 'propina' I am looked on as the bad guy. I will leave a tip if the service is quite outstanding or if I am interested in the chica (and even with this it is rare.). Excellent point, Mr Enternational.[/QUOTE]Maybe they look you as the bad guy for two reasons: they expect that extra cash from foreign clients and because a lot of times they never receive the 10% they are entitled by law. I have read a few times in local newspapers that it is a common practice from patrons to keep the ley tip for themselves.

[QUOTE=BoricuaOnline;1891777]Maybe they look you as the bad guy for two reasons: they expect that extra cash from foreign clients and because a lot of times they never receive the 10% they are entitled by law. I have read a few times in local newspapers that it is a common practice from patrons to keep the ley tip for themselves.[/QUOTE]Good point. That said, let us put the pieces together. 18% for Itibis. 10% for Ley. Now we add a tip. This would all add up to a third of the bill! That is ludicrous.

Do this over a span of two weeks and it all adds up. For that, don't leave a tip. If the business is pocketing the tips that is between the employer and employee and the customer has nothing to do with it. Also, we are charged 'ley' then leave a tip. In other words, we are paying the tip twice! (No matter who pockets the money!) The tourist definitely should not pay for people's corruption.

I have been to many restaurants in the DR that have miscalculated the bill. It has always been to their advantage. I always corrected them on this. I have been to other restaurants where they did not give me the proper change back (either because they did not have the proper change to give back or they wanted to pocket the money). I rarely leave tips, for these and other reasons.

This reminds me of the time I stayed at Terra Linda. We needed to have clothes washed so Larry, who could only speak English, went to the laundry place and they charged him DOP 300. I went afterwards and after talking to them in Spanish they charged me DOP 200. I later learned that the locals were only charged DOP 100. Now, from experience, I have found cheaper alternatives. This is just one example of how we are obviously being overcharged.

That said, if someone walks into a restaurant that charges Itibis and Ley believe me when I tell you that we are definitely paying too much and the workers will do just fine without our tips. I love eating at Baileys but considering the ridiculous prices they charge (compared to the standard of living on the island) they are making out like bandits. This is also true of Morua Mai and Terra Linda. I would say, though, that all these places have great food and I would highly recommend them but they are simply overpriced. Again, there should be no reason why food should cost so much in a developing nation like the DR.

We do not know which restaurants pocket the 'Ley' and which do but, again, it is not the responsibility of the customer to know that. Hey, if I like the service that much or if the chica interests me, fine, but otherwise I usually skip the tip.

As for expecting cash from foreign clients I find this common all over the island. Many times I cannot even ask for directions in Santo Domingo without some guy asking for a tip. This also happens at the airport, while looking for a cat house, while asking for extra towels at a hotel; in fact it's a daily fact of life in the DR. It is one of the regrettable hassles of visiting the island.

I would rather be the bad guy than the foolish guy. In the DR one has to be wise with their money. Just my take and in all due respect to Boricuaonline and other members on this board.

Thanks Boricuaonline for your input.

I really love Thursday nights at Classico. Tonight was no different. A lot of prom dates. I mean these chicas are absolutely beautiful. A lot of guys but enough girls to go around. I'm thinking to myself damn this is only Thursday night. I fell in the club about 1:45. Saw the girl I met about 3 years ago on my birthday. She and I are cool. We never session because she refused to take an HIV test for me. I'm not saying she's positive she just exercise my right not to take it. I've seen her in sosua plenty of times but I've never proposition her again. She's one the few chica whom allow to come and dance on me. I had her on my "we're just cool list". She asked for a drink and I told her yes get me a water while you're at it. She and her friend are both dancing by me as the crowd go by. In comes my homie Dre. He and another homie decided on Casa Angela. I had my fire stick with me I needed hotel with updated equipment to enjoy my firestick. It was back to Europa for me. Anyway I'm wondering is his fate decided that me and my birthday girl we're going to have a session. She was looking good. I treated her like a hotel chica for the last 2 years. It would really surprise her if I came in her. Meanwhile Dre has came back over to me and seeing the group dancing by on me. He took one look at her body and grabbed her and pulled her to him. He really showed he was interested and she bit. I watch them to the phone game. She showed him a picture of her in lingerie. I could tell they were talking about price. I can tell the way she dropped her shoulders when he tried to counter. She was stuck on 3500 pesos for 1 hour. She's a Sosua vet. The negotiations stopped. 2 minutes later he said he was going to the room. He looked at her and said come on. He bit on the price! As he was walking away he ask me to tell him if the pussy was good. I looked at him and laugh now you asking me. Let me tell you now that you're asking me I've never been with her. And after you get with her I never will be with her. That's my girl why'all go enjoy yourselves. They left I wonder how thiat turned out.

Meanwhile I'm thinking about taking an L for tonight. A lot of nice chica but I am very selective. Look around make sure it wasn't any chocolate treats that could make me change my mind. I couldn't see any of my regular. I only had two thousand 200 hundred pesos. I figured I would just double up tomorrow and take it easy for tonight. I had something good waiting for me in the room. So I'm sitting outside of Classico in an all white linen suit still high from an earlier smoke session, in my zone. A group of girls from Santiago we're giving me compliments on my outfit. They had a young girl with her. First time here type of thing. They were suggesting that she leave with me and we're trying to negotiate a good price for her. I took a nice look at her Young Blanca cute. She wasn't dressed like she was going to Classico. More like or walk to the mall. Blue jean overalls and sneakers. Of course she couldn't speak any English. I seen her out the corner of my eye her pointing her friends out to me. I guess she was saying I want to be with that one. Her friends seemed eager and comfortable giving her to me. They were all from Santiago. The young lady that did the most talking was her older cousin. I told her her cousin was in good hands and offered her my phone number. They were all going to the casino. She and I agreed on a price 1500 and if she's good 2000 pesos. We get to Europa and she gives her ID to the receptionist. The reception is at the questions she did not answer correctly. This girl has no cellular. She's obviously over 21 but she doesn't have identification. I called her cousin telling her cousin that I cannot go to jail. Her cousin came explaining her cousin is an illegal. She's 23 years old. Showing me pictures of them on Facebook and what not. Of course I know the girl is over 21 however rules are rules. So I took her to another designated area I keep in reserve. And on a scale of 1 to 10 she was most definitely and 8 1/2. She gave me deep swallow. BJ. She grabbed my hips and pulled my body into her mouth. Damn I really forgot chicas can do that. I love watching when I first enter a woman in the first five minutes she's creaming all over my condom. Lucky me. Did not complain did not rush and she wanted to kiss. Must be something in the air.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1891940]I really love Thursday nights at Classico. Tonight was no different. A lot of prom dates. I mean these chicas are absolutely beautiful. A lot of guys but enough girls to go around. I'm thinking to myself damn this is only Thursday night. I fell in the club about 1:45. Saw the girl I met about 3 years ago on my birthday. She and I are cool. We never session because she refused to take an HIV test for me. I'm not saying she's positive she just exercise my right not to take it. I've seen her in sosua plenty of times but I've never proposition her again. She's one the few chica whom allow to come and dance on me. I had her on my "we're just cool list". She asked for a drink and I told her yes get me a water while you're at it. She and her friend are both dancing by me as the crowd go by. In comes my homie Dre. He and another homie decided on Casa Angela. I had my fire stick with me I needed hotel with updated equipment to enjoy my firestick. It was back to Europa for me. Anyway I'm wondering is his fate decided that me and my birthday girl we're going to have a session. She was looking good. I treated her like a hotel chica for the last 2 years. It would really surprise her if I came in her. Meanwhile Dre has came back over to me and seeing the group dancing by on me. He took one look at her body and grabbed her and pulled her to him. He really showed he was interested and she bit. I watch them to the phone game. She showed him a picture of her in lingerie. I could tell they were talking about price. I can tell the way she dropped her shoulders when he tried to counter. She was stuck on 3500 pesos for 1 hour. She's a Sosua vet. The negotiations stopped. 2 minutes later he said he was going to the room. He looked at her and said come on. He bit on the price! As he was walking away he ask me to tell him if the pussy was good. I looked at him and laugh now you asking me. Let me tell you now that you're asking me I've never been with her. And after you get with her I never will be with her. That's my girl why'all go enjoy yourselves. They left I wonder how thiat turned out.

Meanwhile I'm thinking about taking an L for tonight. A lot of nice chica but I am very selective. Look around make sure it wasn't any chocolate treats that could make me change my mind. I couldn't see any of my regular. I only had two thousand 200 hundred pesos. I figured I would just double up tomorrow and take it easy for tonight. I had something good waiting for me in the room. So I'm sitting outside of Classico in an all white linen suit still high from an earlier smoke session, in my zone. A group of girls from Santiago we're giving me compliments on my outfit. They had a young girl with her. First time here type of thing. They were suggesting that she leave with me and we're trying to negotiate a good price for her. I took a nice look at her Young Blanca cute. She wasn't dressed like she was going to Classico. More like or walk to the mall. Blue jean overalls and sneakers. Of course she couldn't speak any English. I seen her out the corner of my eye her pointing her friends out to me. I guess she was saying I want to be with that one. Her friends seemed eager and comfortable giving her to me. They were all from Santiago. The young lady that did the most talking was her older cousin. I told her her cousin was in good hands and offered her my phone number. They were all going to the casino. She and I agreed on a price 1500 and if she's good 2000 pesos. We get to Europa and she gives her ID to the receptionist. The reception is at the questions she did not answer correctly. This girl has no cellular. She's obviously over 21 but she doesn't have identification. I called her cousin telling her cousin that I cannot go to jail. Her cousin came explaining her cousin is an illegal. She's 23 years old. Showing me pictures of them on Facebook and what not. Of course I know the girl is over 21 however rules are rules. So I took her to another designated area I keep in reserve. And on a scale of 1 to 10 she was most definitely and 8 1/2. She gave me deep swallow. BJ. She grabbed my hips and pulled my body into her mouth. Damn I really forgot chicas can do that. I love watching when I first enter a woman in the first five minutes she's creaming all over my condom. Lucky me. Did not complain did not rush and she wanted to kiss. Must be something in the air.[/QUOTE]That's just Sosua at it's best.

Always new stuff coming in.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1891940]She gave me deep swallow. BJ. She grabbed my hips and pulled my body into her mouth. Damn I really forgot chicas can do that. [/QUOTE]Nice report!

I've been to Sosua many times and I had a chica do that to me for the first time on my last trip.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1891940]Saw the girl I met about 3 years ago on my birthday...So I'm sitting outside of Classico in an all white linen suit still high from an earlier smoke session, in my zone.[/QUOTE]GrownMan a*k*a Cmo Cakes?

[b]Feliz Cumpleanos Movie Trailer- Starring at CMOCAKES[/b]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkL_RU2aSek[/URL]

(1:26)

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1892155]GrownMan a*k*a Cmo Cakes?

[b]Feliz Cumpleanos Movie Trailer- Starring at CMOCAKES[/b]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkL_RU2aSek[/URL]

(1:26)[/QUOTE]Thank you for the birthday shout out. That is my Road dogs and I ringtone.

Tonight was a pretty good show of chicas. There are no short supplies here in the Sue. I didn't get in there until about 2:15. The place is still packed. Didn't see nothing that really grabbed my attention. I'm feeling like Mr GoGo taking an L tonight. Guess I'll double up tomorrow. I really don't like after 1 crowd so it's back to Europa. I thought I was going to settle with one chica but she wouldn't get off 2500. I'm not in a rush to give up my money without any incentives. She even was Haitian. My Dominican last night would have gotten a rare back to back repeat had I seen her.
I saw the UK fellows in the club. They had to leave early because one of them got caught walking smoking marijuana. Man he was really slipping. I told him it's best to go and bride the officer now before things get ugly.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1892336]Tonight was a pretty good show of chicas. There are no short supplies here in the Sue. I didn't get in there until about 2:15. The place is still packed. Didn't see nothing that really grabbed my attention. I'm feeling like Mr GoGo taking an L tonight. Guess I'll double up tomorrow. I really don't like after 1 crowd so it's back to Europa. I thought I was going to settle with one chica but she wouldn't get off 2500. I'm not in a rush to give up my money without any incentives. She even was Haitian. My Dominican last night would have gotten a rare back to back repeat had I seen her.
I saw the UK fellows in the club. They had to leave early because one of them got caught walking smoking marijuana. Man he was really slipping. I told him it's best to go and bride the officer now before things get ugly.[/QUOTE]Good report dude. Once you have been somewhere more than 5 times you tend to look for that hidden gem because the regulars don't phase you. At that late hour you need to check out the bar girls who are getting off work. Respectfully speaking bro, but why fall into Classicos so late? You only get the leftovers.

Grownman, time to do some homework; see if you can find out from the black euro group the specifics of their trip. Is there a website they use? How much they paid? Was it their first time? The reason for inquiring is to find out if this is the new trend. That many dudes hitting one spot can be a problem in the future. Plus it sounds like they have been fucking up already so it might be good for a few laughs.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1892423]Good report dude. Once you have been somewhere more than 5 times you tend to look for that hidden gem because the regulars don't phase you. At that late hour you need to check out the bar girls who are getting off work. Respectfully speaking bro, but why fall into Classicos so late? You only get the leftovers.

Grownman, time to do some homework; see if you can find out from the black euro group the specifics of their trip. Is there a website they use? How much they paid? Was it their first time? The reason for inquiring is to find out if this is the new trend. That many dudes hitting one spot can be a problem in the future. Plus it sounds like they have been fucking up already so it might be good for a few laughs.[/QUOTE]I will try to get that information from them. I can't believe I haven't seen any of my regular. I've been coming to sosua for 3 years. I mean I've seen some girls out session with. A lot of chicas come and give me hugs but I can't remember the sessions. It must not be anything to shake a stick at because I only remember the real good ones and the real bad ones. I really have a lot of saved numbers but a lot talking to chicas while I am in the US bores me. Even DC cupid bores me. A lot of those conversations lead to request for money . I will be definitely going to Caberetta tonight. I need change up. This is why I missing traveling with a Vet. Vets on more adventurous to try new areas. Where the hell is Parkinson when I need him.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1892423]Good report dude. At that late hour you need to check out the bar girls who are getting off work. Respectfully speaking bro, but why fall into Classicos so late? You only get the leftovers.
.[/QUOTE]Mr. G try to stay say from Bartenders. They are hotel chicas to me. I go to the club's late because I am not a drinker and most chicas want drinks. Their are a lot of Ballers buying chicas drinks all night. And. Once they buy that wine. I just creep up from behind. I got lucky last night. The problem their aren't a lot of sleepers. I miss hitting the corners of Andres. Seeing non pro talent.

Reinventing the wheel is a dangerous thing sometimes. Sosua provides access to young pretty girls. These girls range from hard core pros to sweet fresh off the bus. I go there 3 times a year and always have a great time. I am still learning how to be less anxious. Patience is the key getting the best of Sosua. Every time I go off the rails I regret it. Rile one pick the girls you want. Just because a girl grabs your dick does not mean she knows what to do with it. Most of us lose the ability to think when a women has your dick in her hand.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1892539]Mr. G try to stay say from Bartenders. They are hotel chicas to me. I go to the club's late because I am not a drinker and most chicas want drinks. Their are a lot of Ballers buying chicas drinks all night. And. Once they buy that wine. I just creep up from behind. I got lucky last night. The problem their aren't a lot of sleepers. I miss hitting the corners of Andres. Seeing non pro talent.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] Mr. G try to stay say from Bartenders. They are hotel chicas to me. I go to the club's late because I am not a drinker and most chicas want drinks. Their are a lot of Ballers buying chicas drinks all night. And. Once they buy that wine. I just creep up from behind. I got lucky last night. The problem their aren't a lot of sleepers. I miss hitting the corners of Andres. Seeing non pro talent. [/QUOTE]I don't drink either. I used to just walk into bars or the disco and take chicas out without buying drinks for myself or the chicas. There is no need to buy drinks for them. The reason the chicas are in the bars is because they want to meet men for PFP. If they are there to drink, they are probably best avoided anyway. Basic chica selection 101.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892565]I don't drink either. I used to just walk into bars or the disco and take chicas out without buying drinks for myself or the chicas. There is no need to buy drinks for them. The reason the chicas are in the bars is because they want to meet men for PFP. If they are there to drink, they are probably best avoided anyway. Basic chica selection 101.[/QUOTE]I didn't even know this was a thing!

I haven't been back to Sosua since 2012 but everytime I even give it a thought I read something like this that quickly puts it out of my mind. I drink, but I have never bought a drink for a chica. When I am on the strip I am there looking for something to take back to the room. The conversation should take no more than 5 minutes when you have made up your mind about the one you want. No sticking around to dance with her or buy her drinks. I've got plenty of booze and music back in the room.

I blame this shit on the younger guys. These ninjas come here and think they are on a real date like they are back home where they feel they have to buy a woman a drink in order to talk to her. The very same shit they are running from to begin with, lmao!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1892571]I didn't even know this was a thing!

I haven't been back to Sosua since 2012 but everytime I even give it a thought I read something like this that quickly puts it out of my mind. I drink, but I have never bought a drink for a chica. When I am on the strip I am there looking for something to take back to the room. The conversation should take no more than 5 minutes when you have made up your mind about the one you want. No sticking around to dance with her or buy her drinks. I've got plenty of booze and music back in the room.

I blame this shit on the younger guys. These ninjas come here and think they are on a real date like they are back home where they feel they have to buy a woman a drink in order to talk to her. The very same shit they are running from to begin with, lmao![/QUOTE]Listen up newbies. No matter how much money you spend on buying chicas drinks, it has nothing to do with negotiations later. Unless you are like Mr. G. Mr. G wants everyone as drunk as he is as long as the party strong. He doesn't even need a big crowd. 3 decent chica and some music, he will drink and dance all night. With his two left feet. I seen guys pay over $100 on drinks along per night. Then back in the room the chica wants to charge him another hundred. So much for the love it's all about business. A lot of guys find themselves too drunk too lazy or too late to find another chica.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1892571]I didn't even know this was a thing!

I haven't been back to Sosua since 2012 but everytime I even give it a thought I read something like this that quickly puts it out of my mind. I drink, but I have never bought a drink for a chica. When I am on the strip I am there looking for something to take back to the room. The conversation should take no more than 5 minutes when you have made up your mind about the one you want. No sticking around to dance with her or buy her drinks. I've got plenty of booze and music back in the room.

I blame this shit on the younger guys. These ninjas come here and think they are on a real date like they are back home where they feel they have to buy a woman a drink in order to talk to her. The very same shit they are running from to begin with, lmao![/QUOTE]I think a lot of the alcohol thing is about overcoming inhibitions. A lot of guys are so hung up about sex that they can't just approach a chica sober and talk to her about having sex, so they have to go through this elaborate process of drinking for hours while they try to pluck up enogh courage. If they are traveling in a group that is a sure sign of insecurity and the problem will be even worse, because they are scared of losing face in front of their friends who are bound to ask them about the sexual experience with the chica the next day. Additionally many of these guys don't speak a significant amount of Spanish, so they can't really have conversations with the chicas when they get to the room, so being drunk provides a useful cover.

I found out that the UK boys paid 500 pounds to get their partner out of trouble. I heard once they paid the 500 pounds the police took it and try just scare them away. It was a big problem because at the station the police tried to intimidate them with their guns, but those guys weren't backing down.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892598]I think a lot of the alcohol thing is about overcoming inhibitions. A lot of guys are so hung up about sex that they can't just approach a chica sober and talk to her about having sex, so they have to go through this elaborate process of drinking for hours while they try to pluck up enogh courage. If they are traveling in a group that is a sure sign of insecurity and the problem will be even worse, because they are scared of losing face in front of their friends who are bound to ask them about the sexual experience with the chica the next day. Additionally many of these guys don't speak a significant amount of Spanish, so they can't really have conversations with the chicas when they get to the room, so being drunk provides a useful cover[/QUOTE]Maybe I've missed something but I don't think it takes courage (alcohol or not) to talk to girls in the DR. Pulling girls is like crossing the street, it's that easy. They are probably the most friendly of any girls in any country that I have traveled to. Maybe a first timer in the DR might be mesmerized by the beauty everywhere but to say they need courage through alcohol to pull in the DR is crazy. Girls are very open minded sexually and have no problem getting naked and fucking.

I don't do drugs, and I'm naturally hyper-active and in the evening I like to take the edge off and relax. I don't even drink during the daytime. Plus we are on vacation and we want to have a good time. Honestly when I see a guy at a bar just sitting there because he doesn't drink or he is too cheap to buy a drink, I wonder why is he even here. If 100 pesos is too much for you to buy a perspective sex partner a drink while you interview her then maybe you should stand outside and use hand signals.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892598]so being drunk provides a useful cover.[/QUOTE]Sad, isn't it? All the beauties waiting to be ravished and the men? Busy partaking the Dutch courage! I also need to say that I found most women I know there (not Sosua of which I know little) are not into drinking or perhaps a cerveza, tops! I was having a conversation with one and she said, "bring me candies" even after I asked if she would like, say vodka or bailey's. No interest!

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892598]I think a lot of the alcohol thing is about overcoming inhibitions. A lot of guys are so hung up about sex that they can't just approach a chica sober and talk to her about having sex, so they have to go through this elaborate process of drinking for hours while they try to pluck up enogh courage. If they are traveling in a group that is a sure sign of insecurity and the problem will be even worse, because they are scared of losing face in front of their friends who are bound to ask them about the sexual experience with the chica the next day. Additionally many of these guys don't speak a significant amount of Spanish, so they can't really have conversations with the chicas when they get to the room, so being drunk provides a useful cover.[/QUOTE]What? What the f kind of theory is this? So when me, Gogo, and Grown Man - who does not drink by the way (or any of my other friends) are travelling together it is a sure sign of insecurity and we don't want to lose face? That has never been a problem for me or any of my friends. As a guy growing up one should be used to getting turned down by chicks, and by adulthood it should roll off of him like water off a duck's back. And what does it matter if he speaks Spanish or not? What if the girl speaks English or if they are mongering in an English speaking country. I don't really know too many people in this hobby that are as bashful or hung up about sex as you would make them out to be.

Just reminded me of when I was over my cousin's house the other day and his screen saver popped up of some chick sucking his dick. I said man don't nobody want to see that bullshit.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892598]I think a lot of the alcohol thing is about overcoming inhibitions. A lot of guys are so hung up about sex that they can't just approach a chica sober and talk to her about having sex, so they have to go through this elaborate process of drinking for hours while they try to pluck up enogh courage. If they are traveling in a group that is a sure sign of insecurity and the problem will be even worse, because they are scared of losing face in front of their friends who are bound to ask them about the sexual experience with the chica the next day. Additionally many of these guys don't speak a significant amount of Spanish, so they can't really have conversations with the chicas when they get to the room, so being drunk provides a useful cover.[/QUOTE]Not really true. It is not like they are going to a regular bar to pick up normal girls. Everybody goes there knowing these ladies are for hire. Shy, not confident, does not have enough courage has nothing to do with it. In Sosua any girl can be approached and asked for sex. There are many I have seen who do not order alcohol drink.

Advantage of alcohol is in my opinion, you would not pick up any girl from there without some beer googles. All look ugly, old, out of shape etc. With couple of drinks half of the at least look good enough to fuck.

There is no reason to worry about satisfying the chica. For one reason or another he cannot perform it is no big deal. No reason for second date.

As for me having a drink, dance etc bonds me with the girl and sex is better. Besides at least for that night it becomes GFE.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1892684]
Advantage of alcohol is in my opinion, you would not pick up any girl from there without some beer googles. All look ugly, old, out of shape etc. With couple of drinks half of the at least look good enough to fuck.
[/QUOTE]This supports what I said about needing alcohol to overcome inhibitions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1892662] And what does it matter if he speaks Spanish or not? What if the girl speaks English or if they are mongering in an English speaking country. I don't really know too many people in this hobby that are as bashful or hung up about sex as you would make them out to be.

[/QUOTE]Are you drunk? This thread is about a specific location in a Spanish-speaking country. Most of the girls in Sosua don't speak English, so Spanish is the language of choice for pillow talk. A lot of the people you see in Sosua are not veterans of "this hobby". Obviously you can have sex with someone without being able to converse with them, but in my opinion it is usually much better if you can talk to them. Grownman showed in his post that even someone with his considerable experience is concerned about the girls wanting to have drinks before leaving with a customer, something I would never bother about at all.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892712]Grownman showed in his post that even someone with his considerable experience is concerned about the girls wanting to have drinks before leaving with a customer, something I would never bother about at all.[/QUOTE]Nor would I. You have never seen me saying you should buy women drinks, go dancing with them, go out to eat with them, and neither do any of my friends that I usually monger with. We all realize that we are there to fuck and the women are there for money. There are no illusions and we save regular women for all that other stuff.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1892616]If 100 pesos is too much for you to buy a perspective sex partner a drink while you interview her then maybe you should stand outside and use hand signals.[/QUOTE]Or post up outside in a fresh all white linen suit. I hit the club about 2 to 2:15. Back in my law enforcement days when I didn't drink nor smoke. I used to ask my cousin why did he smoke marijuana. He says when he smokes he understands things better. I told him it was all in his head. He said "it's easy for you to say that when you don't smoke". I remember my Ciroc days in the Sue. It was never liquid courage for me. But I'm sure to each their own.

Today at the beach I ran into Puerto Plata connection. It was only one of them without the rest. She was hot and came and sat down at Big Momma's with us. Of course I was drinking water and I offered to buy her a bottle. She said no thank you and a few minutes later she asked me to buy her a Corona. Hell no I'm not buying no Coronas. I said to her with a calm face.

[QUOTE]Honestly when I see a guy at a bar just sitting there because he doesn't drink or he is too cheap to buy a drink, I wonder why is he even here. If 100 pesos is too much for you to buy a perspective sex partner a drink while you interview her then maybe you should stand outside and use hand signals. [/QUOTE]Look, the girls go to the bars because that is where they can meet men for P4 P. The men go to the bars to get drunk and / or find chicas. The bar owners make a lot of money.

If I wanted to go somewhere for a drink, I would probably not choose a prostitution bar. I do not feel that I owe any debt to bar owners. If I see a girl in a prostitution bar that I am interested in having sex with her, I will probably invite her to go somewhere else to discuss the matter. In my experience there is no evidence at all that buying chicas alcoholic drinks will improve the experience--in fact quite the opposite. Your mileage may differ.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892772]Look, the girls go to the bars because that is where they can meet men for P4 P. The men go to the bars to get drunk and / or find chicas. The bar owners make a lot of money.

If I wanted to go somewhere for a drink, I would probably not choose a prostitution bar. I do not feel that I owe any debt to bar owners. If I see a girl in a prostitution bar that I am interested in having sex with her, I will probably invite her to go somewhere else to discuss the matter. In my experience there is no evidence at all that buying chicas alcoholic drinks will improve the experience--in fact quite the opposite. Your mileage may differ.[/QUOTE]That's funny Frannie. The way you attacked the bar owner and went into explaining things I'm pretty sure you are probably that guy sitting at the bar without even buying a water and the bar owner asked you to leave or gets pissed every time you come around. Maybe you should stick to meeting girls at the parks LOL.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892772]Look, the girls go to the bars because that is where they can meet men for P4 P. The men go to the bars to get drunk and / or find chicas. The bar owners make a lot of money.

If I wanted to go somewhere for a drink, I would probably not choose a prostitution bar. I do not feel that I owe any debt to bar owners. If I see a girl in a prostitution bar that I am interested in having sex with her, I will probably invite her to go somewhere else to discuss the matter. In my experience there is no evidence at all that buying chicas alcoholic drinks will improve the experience--in fact quite the opposite. Your mileage may differ.[/QUOTE]I agree with you on that. I was just questioning a guy in the Thailand thread about it as well. I like P4P because all I have to show up with is my dick and some money. No sweet talking. No getting a chick drunk to talk her out of her panties. No buying this and that in hopes of getting laid. Give me what I came for and I will give you what you came for.
[QUOTE=DasMaster;1891932]Girls were friendly and I ended up buying lady drinks to 4 of them. I have started to believe that a few lady drinks helps you earn some familiarity and warmth, although you may need to pay a couple of drinks for the 'friends of the ladies you wish to spend some time with'. Let's accept it as occupational hazard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1892040]Why do you say that? They are hookers. You agree on a price and you go fuck. That is their primary purpose for being there. None of them are going to say you need to buy me and my friends drinks first so that I can get warmed up. As a matter of fact, if I walk in and see you drinking with them at the bar and I simply tell them let's go fuck, they are going to tell you goodbye I have a customer to go with.[/QUOTE]

My business card reads: 'El Toro Rojo: Putañero, Borracho e Inútil' so I guess I am more of a monger than a drunk but I see all points of view on this subject. Sometimes I want to drink without a bunch of hookers bothering me. Sometimes I want to drink where there are hookers around. Sometimes I want to stay sober to have better sex. Sometimes I want sloppy, drunk sex. In some of these situations, I will buy a chica a drink and in others I won't. It can add to the atmosphere, [I]sometimes[/I]. I don't think there is one right answer. Of course, the price of the drinks factors into my decision. And one fairly strict rule I have is that I do not buy more than one drink for a chica, regardless of whether I want to fuck her or not. There will always be (cheaper) booze in my room if it comes to that.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1892616]If 100 pesos is too much for you to buy a perspective sex partner a drink while you interview her then maybe you should stand outside and use hand signals.[/QUOTE]Exactly.

After working hard at home and having my holidays, I want to relax, have fun and enjoy the company and sex with a beautiful young women, not just point and shoot. I don't spend thousands of euros to spend my holidays with other guys (I don't mind having few beers and a chat with some guys, but after one hour I'm out, if there isn't any females present). And if I'm in a bar having a nice chat and few laughs with a woman and I'm drinking beer of course I buy her one, regardless if she's a prostitute or not. It hasn't even come to my mind not to buy somebody a drink just because she's a prostitute. I much prefer the company of the girls than any men (sounds strange in this heterosexual forum, doesn't it, but sometimes it seems that many of you guys just point and shoot and then go back to enjoy your holidays with "the guys") and if I drink they can drink (presidente) too.

[QUOTE=Dickhead;1892784] Sometimes I want to stay sober to have better sex. Sometimes I want sloppy, drunk sex. In some of these situations, I will buy a chica a drink and in others I won't. It can add to the atmosphere, [I]sometimes[/I]. I don't think there is one right answer. Of course, the price of the drinks factors into my decision. And one fairly strict rule I have is that I do not buy more than one drink for a chica, regardless of whether I want to fuck her or not. There will always be (cheaper) booze in my room if it comes to that.[/QUOTE]I agree. Sometimes I like a chica on my level. I have no problems sharing my lala. I go in the club and I think everything is overpriced. 100 pesos for a small bottle of water. I had el presidentes in my room for chicas, however, I have yet to see a chica finish her drink. I stopped that shit. Water, juice, and fruit in my room now. I sorry what are we talking about. I so high.

[QUOTE=Nordico;1892797]Exactly.

After working hard at home and having my holidays, I want to relax, have fun and enjoy the company and sex with a beautiful young women, not just point and shoot. I don't spend thousands of euros to spend my holidays with other guys (I don't mind having few beers and a chat with some guys, but after one hour I'm out, if there isn't any females present). And if I'm in a bar having a nice chat and few laughs with a woman and I'm drinking beer of course I buy her one, regardless if she's a prostitute or not. It hasn't even come to my mind not to buy somebody a drink just because she's a prostitute. I much prefer the company of the girls than any men (sounds strange in this heterosexual forum, doesn't it, but sometimes it seems that many of you guys just point and shoot and then go back to enjoy your holidays with "the guys") and if I drink they can drink (presidente) too.[/QUOTE]Well said. It amazes me that guys leave their homeland in search of a beautiful girl who wants to spend time with them but they all of the sudden develop morals and care if she is a pro or not. We are on vacation why cares? The shit they pull on these girls they would never try with success in their native land but now they turn judgmental. They act like these girls are the villains, but the guys use their power (money) as a tool, something that wouldn't fly fly in their homeland at the same price. It reminds me of the kid in private school who can't go outside and play because he gets beat up, but then goes to his private school and wants to be a bully.

See, this is why I like true freelance bars where drinks are reasonably priced and they don't charge extra for chicas' drinks. Argentina began enforcing this, as charging more for chica drinks is a form of pimping or profiting off of prostitution. But for example Bar Malibu in SJ, Costa Rica, a very fun place, has cheap drink prices for everyone, so I am relatively free about buying beers for chicas. That place is not strictly working girls, either. The WORST situation, for me, is in places like México, where the chicas get a 'ficha' (commission, essentially) for every drink they can convince you to buy. So in places like Malibu, if a chica asks you to buy her a drink, it's probably mostly because she likes to drink. I can relate to that. In México they give these little itty bitty chica drinks, or sometimes it's not even really booze in there. Fuck a whole bunch of that shit.

I made up for Friday night. Taking an l I recovered hanging out at the bus station. A member of the Wolfpack notice that that was a real good area to just chill in the parking lot. Lots of chica coming to and fro. We were there about 5 o'clock this evening. I noticed two Haitians headed to the strip area. One of them had a fat rabbit jumping out of her shorts. I like Haitians those little young Thundercat are built Ford tough. Just sometimes not the cutest. She wasn't a looker good, I wasn't looking for one. I wanted some makeup from last night action. She had a girl with her she wanted to bring her. As much as I hate being with my boy Dre he is good for backup. He'll take whatever left on the table. I mean whatever is left. We made a deal with the girls 1 mil and if they were good 1500 pesos. Dre was happy I was back at the negotiating table. Both of these women did their damn jobs. I can put them in the league with the best of them. This trip has made me respect the art of giving head. I've had no chica try to run that CBJ Union rule on me. Quite the opposite it's hard for me to tell who was the best. Guess I need more practice. Of course I finally was able to give someone a dress in Sosua. She loved it. When home and 50 minutes later it was on her WhatsApp profile. I love it when they appreciate the little extras.

There were a lot of guys. Classico was packed. So the guys from the UK. Seems everything is good with them. A couple of those guys work professional boxers. Felt sorry for the Chica who had to work out with them. Tonight I settled with a slim pretty chica. I was going to call this night and L because I've set up an appointment with my chica from this afternoon. She deserves an encore. 20 years old my son's age. She's coming back for 1000 Pesos. The one I got tonight was very beautiful. She had a smile that brought sunshine. I normally don't do very slim but she was cute. I told her when a girl is beautiful the sex is terrible. She asked me to try her. 2500 pesos for all night. That's what she gave me. Good price I hadn't hit her with the two hours and then the just give the hour 1 hour price. I did Tomjacking on her. My mama said that chicas can't spend the night with me. She and I settled for a deal. 1500 pesos and if she's good 2000 pesos. And if she so good she can convince me to go against my mother I will give her 2500 a tip and she can stay the night. She did her thing. She couldn't take a pounding but she road me well and I worked her. At first I thought I wouldn't come. Figure I'll just give her the 2000 pesos and wait for tomorrow when my afternoon treat returns. First time I needed Lube this trip. I use my body wash baby oil. Don't laugh it worked. She was happy I came. I asked her what does she want to do now. She asked me was she good I said yes. Okay give me 2000 pesos and I will go. Okay no problem. We got dressed and she said no tip for her. I told her she refused to tip because she's going home. Then I reached in the closet and showed her what her tip could have been. Of course now she's begging me to stay. Now she doesn't want to go home. We can have sex one more time in the morning for 500 pesos and dress. Forget it I got a young Haitian coming in the morning. She pleaded her case for 5 minutes. I only quoted her give me two thousand pesos and I will go. I told her I will repeat with her but not tonight.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892598]I think a lot of the alcohol thing is about overcoming inhibitions. A lot of guys are so hung up about sex that they can't just approach a chica sober and talk to her about having sex, so they have to go through this elaborate process of drinking for hours while they try to pluck up enogh courage. If they are traveling in a group that is a sure sign of insecurity and the problem will be even worse, because they are scared of losing face in front of their friends who are bound to ask them about the sexual experience with the chica the next day. Additionally many of these guys don't speak a significant amount of Spanish, so they can't really have conversations with the chicas when they get to the room, so being drunk provides a useful cover.[/QUOTE]Some folks can make P4 P very complicated for themselves.

We have folks who spend thousands of dollars, travel thousands of miles, stay in expensive hotels just to meet Sosua hookers. Some bribe them with fake hair, travel with racks of dresses for the hookers, try to impress them with white linen suits, candy or like me, coffee makers :)

Others will not spring for 65 peso beer.

We even have guys that "sneak" into licensed premises without buying to score Sosua putas, LOL.

They float outlandish theories on why guys go to bars in Sosua (or anywhere else for that matter). They are either working up courage to approach a Sosua puta LOL, or have fear of rejection by a Sosua puta LOL, get drunk so they won't have to talk to Sosua puta back in the room. LOL, and worst of all, Oh the humiliation! Losing face with ones travelling companions LOL. I've read bullshit before but this takes the cake!

I go for a beer after work a couple times a week, whether I'm in Sosua or not, don't need no miserable guy in a corner hiding from the owner because he's not buying, trying to psychoanalyze me, while using the restaurant venue to scoop up spare putas. Probably stealing the condiment packages off the table too. There are folks like that who complain when they are asked to leave.

Actually when I'm in my favorite bar with female friends having fun over a couple beers, There IS usually some guy nursing a water or coke eyeing us, hoping for a spin off. Trying to hang with our crowd. I know the type well! and so do the owners and staff.

A newbie reading these posts would be led to believe it will take a 7 year apprenticeship before you can be truly successful with a Sosua puta.

I can see why there's so much negativity on this board, a lot of guys still have no clue what is actually going on in the brothel we call Sosua.

It ain't that complicated, folks. Show 'them your money, they show you their pussy.

Don't be a killjoy. Live and let live!

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1892905]I made up for Friday night. Taking an l I recovered hanging out at the bus station. A member of the Wolfpack notice that that was a real good area to just chill in the parking lot. Lots of chica coming to and fro. We were there about 5 o'clock this evening. I noticed two Haitians headed to the strip area. One of them had a fat rabbit jumping out of her shorts. I like Haitians those little young Thundercat are built Ford tough. Just sometimes not the cutest. She wasn't a looker good, I wasn't looking for one. I wanted some makeup from last night action. She had a girl with her she wanted to bring her. As much as I hate being with my boy Dre he is good for backup. He'll take whatever left on the table. I mean whatever is left. We made a deal with the girls 1 mil and if they were good 1500 pesos. Dre was happy I was back at the negotiating table. Both of these women did their damn jobs. I can put them in the league with the best of them. This trip has made me respect the art of giving head. I've had no chica try to run that CBJ Union rule on me. Quite the opposite it's hard for me to tell who was the best. Guess I need more practice. Of course I finally was able to give someone a dress in Sosua. She loved it. When home and 50 minutes later it was on her WhatsApp profile. I love it when they appreciate the little extras.

There were a lot of guys. Classico was packed. So the guys from the UK. Seems everything is good with them. A couple of those guys work professional boxers. Felt sorry for the Chica who had to work out with them. Tonight I settled with a slim pretty chica. I was going to call this night and L because I've set up an appointment with my chica from this afternoon. She deserves an encore. 20 years old my son's age. She's coming back for 1000 Pesos. The one I got tonight was very beautiful. She had a smile that brought sunshine. I normally don't do very slim but she was cute. I told her when a girl is beautiful the sex is terrible. She asked me to try her. 2500 pesos for all night. That's what she gave me. Good price I hadn't hit her with the two hours and then the just give the hour 1 hour price. I did Tomjacking on her. My mama said that chicas can't spend the night with me. She and I settled for a deal. 1500 pesos and if she's good 2000 pesos. And if she so good she can convince me to go against my mother I will give her 2500 a tip and she can stay the night. She did her thing. She couldn't take a pounding but she road me well and I worked her. At first I thought I wouldn't come. Figure I'll just give her the 2000 pesos and wait for tomorrow when my afternoon treat returns. First time I needed Lube this trip. I use my body wash baby oil. Don't laugh it worked. She was happy I came. I asked her what does she want to do now. She asked me was she good I said yes. Okay give me 2000 pesos and I will go. Okay no problem. We got dressed and she said no tip for her. I told her she refused to tip because she's going home. Then I reached in the closet and showed her what her tip could have been. Of course now she's begging me to stay. Now she doesn't want to go home. We can have sex one more time in the morning for 500 pesos and dress. Forget it I got a young Haitian coming in the morning. She pleaded her case for 5 minutes. I only quoted her give me two thousand pesos and I will go. I told her I will repeat with her but not tonight.[/QUOTE]Keep the reports coming G-Man! Thanks.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1892957]It ain't that complicated, folks. Show 'them your money, they show you their pussy.[/QUOTE]Wow, I see that Frannie touched a raw nerve, with his thought on drinking. I do not think it was personal though.

I agree with what Oakie says, that it ain't that complicated in Sosua, Praise be the Lord! However, over several years, I have read accounts of people here who were self-admittedly "drunk" and as we know bad things happen in twilight foreign lands because of lack of lucidity. As Grownup man wrote and I experienced, the women don't even finish their drinks. So it is more about men drinking and not so much about picking up women and for the record, I enjoy offering a drink, if I am drinking. Perhaps Nordico is right, it is more about bonhomie among males that is the true reason for a trip to Sosua together, and / or bragging rights?

In any case, traveling always alone, I cannot profess to have any special insights on the subject and, I like a drink every now and then but if I go to the DR, I find the women alone are sufficient to keep me "drunK" so I find this fire storm somewhat beguiling.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1892957]Some folks can make P4 P very complicated for themselves.

We have folks who spend thousands of dollars, travel thousands of miles, stay in expensive hotels just to meet Sosua hookers. Some bribe them with fake hair, travel with racks of dresses for the hookers, try to impress them with white linen suits, candy or like me, coffee makers :)

Others will not spring for 65 peso beer.

We even have guys that "sneak" into licensed premises without buying to score Sosua putas, LOL.

They float outlandish theories on why guys go to bars in Sosua (or anywhere else for that matter). They are either working up courage to approach a Sosua puta LOL, or have fear of rejection by a Sosua puta LOL, get drunk so they won't have to talk to Sosua puta back in the room. LOL, and worst of all, Oh the humiliation! Losing face with ones travelling companions LOL. I've read bullshit before but this takes the cake!

I go for a beer after work a couple times a week, whether I'm in Sosua or not, don't need no miserable guy in a corner hiding from the owner because he's not buying, trying to psychoanalyze me, while using the restaurant venue to scoop up spare putas. Probably stealing the condiment packages off the table too. There are folks like that who complain when they are asked to leave.[/QUOTE]No one is trying to psychoanalyze you stopping for a beer at the neighborhood bar on the way home. Or even having a bottle of Presidente while eating lunch and enjoying the breeze at a caseta on the malecon on Puerto Plata. We are talking about prostitution bars in Sosua that have little to offer other than a line-up of prostitutes.

People can do what the hell they want, but remember this discussion was started by Grownman explaining that he didn't go out on the hunt until very late at night because if he went earlier, the women were wanting drinks. If people want to travel to Sosua with a suitcase full of dresses to giver to their favorite prostitutes, then let them go at it.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1892957] Losing face with ones travelling companions LOL. I've read bullshit before but this takes the cake!


[/QUOTE]If you don't think this is a factor that influences the behavior of many visitors to Sosua, then we will just have to agree to disagree.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1893063]No one is trying to psychoanalyze you stopping for a beer at the neighborhood bar on the way home. Or even having a bottle of Presidente while eating lunch and enjoying the breeze at a caseta on the malecon on Puerto Plata. We are talking about prostitution bars in Sosua that have little to offer other than a line-up of prostitutes..[/QUOTE]This is getting quite weird!

Yes, Virgina, we all know that getting drunk is not good. We were talking about the merits of an occasional social drink for oneself while on holiday, and buying one for a prospective business partner (aka hooker).

Do you not realize that without the drinkers, your "bars in Sosua that have little to offer other than a line-up of prostitutes" would not exist and thrive there or anywhere else in the world?

Tell us again what kind of place Sosua would be without Classico, Bermuda, El Centro, Rumba, Bourbon Street, Meringue, Baileys?

It would be dead, just Frannie and his ice cream cone.

There's already this constant denigration of the putas, the locals, and now we start on drinking, and the the prostitution bars, with "little to offer than a line-up of prostitutes" that are bringing me and thousands of others into the area for enjoyment.

If they were smart, those that complain about what goes down Sosua, would be wise to avoid the place.

I would suggest Disneyworld.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1892598]If they are traveling in a group that is a sure sign of insecurity and the problem will be even worse, because they are scared of losing face in front of their friends who are bound to ask them about the sexual experience with the chica the next day.[/QUOTE]Frannie, have you ever travelled in a group to monger? If so, what kind of questions did your mates ask about your sexual experience the night before? And I am not sure what you mean by losing face in front of their friends. Most people who travel in groups to Sosua are Black. Black people are used to talking shit to each other and having shit talked to them even without hookers being involved. We call it playing the dozens.

My first time in Sosua was with a group and a Haitian buddy of mine had on Timberland boots. I laughed at his ass for bringing boots to the tropics / beach. Did he lose face? No. We talked shit about him for a minute and laughed then it was on to something else. 9 times out of 10 someone does not ask another about the girl from the night before. Usually most people are anxious to tell their stories anyway. And if they didn't then someone may ask how was that chick from last night? You might answer she was alright. Or man that be this that and the other. Then you move on to something else. Or someone would say man I couldn't even get my dick hard then move on to another subject.

Nobody really loses face. I have had friends who Sosua chicas have stolen their money, stolen their camera, etc. We talk about it and laugh and move on to something else. Fill us in on some examples when some of the guys you were mongering with lost face due to something with a chick the night before.

I just wanted to introduce myself and let you you guys know I really appreciate the information you have provided on this board. I will be visiting July 1st-5th and am staying right in the heart of Sosua within walking distance of the beach and all the bars. I have been researching over the past couple weeks and have looked at Campo and Curacao, Blackbeard's, the all inclusive resorts, ect. I was planning on going the safest route with one of the all inclusive resorts (being a Gringo) or Blackbeards, but I really want to experience Sosua. I certainly will be careful and have a good head on my shoulders but still excitingly nervous about my trip. I am going to continue to read up on the board and learn more before my trip, and luckily who I have rented from is from the states and has been traveling to DR from 20 years now and lived in Sosua for 2. He has offered to be my guide in the city. Anyways, thanks again. Now back to doing some research.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1893161]Frannie, have you ever travelled in a group to monger? If so, what kind of questions did your mates ask about your sexual experience the night before? And I am not sure what you mean by losing face in front of their friends. Most people who travel in groups to Sosua are Black. Black people are used to talking shit to each other and having shit talked to them even without hookers being involved. We call it playing the dozens.

My first time in Sosua was with a group and a Haitian buddy of mine had on Timberland boots. I laughed at his ass for bringing boots to the tropics / beach. Did he lose face? No. We talked shit about him for a minute and laughed then it was on to something else. 9 times out of 10 someone does not ask another about the girl from the night before. Usually most people are anxious to tell their stories anyway. And if they didn't then someone may ask how was that chick from last night? You might answer she was alright. Or man that be this that and the other. Then you move on to something else. Or someone would say man I couldn't even get my dick hard then move on to another subject.

Nobody really loses face. I have had friends who Sosua chicas have stolen their money, stolen their camera, etc. We talk about it and laugh and move on to something else. Fill us in on some examples when some of the guys you were mongering with lost face due to something with a chick the night before.[/QUOTE]I have never traveled with other mongers and never will. I do have a couple of monger friends, one of whom lives in the DR, and occasionally we will discuss chica behavior and relationships, but mostly we talk about other subjects of interest. The reason I would not travel with other mongers is that I would not want anyone in my family or my work environment to associate me in any way with prostitution, which although it is legal in the DR, is illegal where I live. And anyway I would not want to be associated with sex tourism either, and would not want my bosses or subordinates on whom I have to produce regular performance evaluations to have any idea that I was not a straight arrow person. Once, a few years ago, I believe I did miss out on a promotion opportunity because of rumors that had circulated about me having had an affair with a married woman over whom I was in a supervisory role, although somewhat indirectly. So my feeling is that it is necessary to maintain very strict barriers between leisure pursuits and family and work, because even someone who is sworn to secrecy may blab under the right circumstances.

In my earliest days in the DR I never wanted to travel with anyone, because I wanted to immerse myself in the language and culture of the DR and go days or weeks without speaking English. Anyway I have lived for an extended period in the DR, so I would have no need to travel with anyone.

As for losing face, I think that a lot of what we see both on this board and on the street is evidence of face saving behavior and a desire to conform to mob pressures, and while I don't want to take this into a discussion of ethnic differences, the newspapers and media in the US are full of reports of casual murders in US cities where someone believes they have been "dissed" (disrespected) by someone else. Have you never heard of this? [URL]http://www.inquisitr.com/1193129/lil-marc-dead-chicago-rapper-murdered-days-after-dissing-lil-reese/[/URL].

[QUOTE=Oakie;1893143]This is getting quite weird!

Yes, Virgina, we all know that getting drunk is not good. We were talking about the merits of an occasional social drink for oneself while on holiday, and buying one for a prospective business partner (aka hooker).

Do you not realize that without the drinkers, your "bars in Sosua that have little to offer other than a line-up of prostitutes" would not exist and thrive there or anywhere else in the world?

Tell us again what kind of place Sosua would be without Classico, Bermuda, El Centro, Rumba, Bourbon Street, Meringue, Baileys?

It would be dead, just Frannie and his ice cream cone.

There's already this constant denigration of the putas, the locals, and now we start on drinking, and the the prostitution bars, with "little to offer than a line-up of prostitutes" that are bringing me and thousands of others into the area for enjoyment.

If they were smart, those that complain about what goes down Sosua, would be wise to avoid the place.

I would suggest Disneyworld.[/QUOTE]All I said was that I don't feel any sense of obligation to the bars to buy unwanted drinks for myself, and there is no need to buy the women drinks. I would be more likely to buy her a sandwich or a beer at the cabana, if that is what she wanted, but mostly they don't really want the beer, though often they are hungry. I don't believe that alcohol makes the sex better, in fact I think it makes it worse, especially on my side, and I don't care for chicas whose breath smells of beer and cigarettes. I do not need alcohol for beer goggles to have sex with women whom I do not find attractive. I select women whom I find sexually attractive. Of course this is purely a personal preference. Your tastes may differ.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1893202]All I said was that I don't feel any sense of obligation to the bars to buy unwanted drinks for myself, and there is no need to buy the women drinks. I would be more likely to buy her a sandwich or a beer at the cabana, if that is what she wanted, but mostly they don't really want the beer, though often they are hungry. I don't believe that alcohol makes the sex better, in fact I think it makes it worse, especially on my side, and I don't care for chicas whose breath smells of beer and cigarettes. I do not need alcohol for beer goggles to have sex with women whom I do not find attractive. I select women whom I find sexually attractive. Of course this is purely a personal preference. Your tastes may differ.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between your extreme analogies, beer goggles, drinking for hours to get up courage, fear of rejection, fear of conversation with a puta, fear of losing face along with extreme compulsive, obsessive behavior, alcohol and tobacco dependency, and commonly accepted social norms.

All that "fear" stuff says more about you than anyone else.

There is balance. A glass of wine with dinner, a cold beer on a hot day, with a chica, even a good cigar smoked outdoors on a special occasion does not mean one is on the road to depravity.

You don't seem to know the difference, and assume nobody else does either.

You decry puta bars, but you are not averse to trolling these same bars to find women to take somewhere else. It's hard to keep up with your elite, special tastes :)

Well, at least you like your Sosua hookers. So you do come down to earth occasionally, and I'm sure you find their own particular habits and dependencies much more to your taste :)

[QUOTE=Frannie;1893199]the newspapers and media in the US are full of reports of casual murders in US cities where someone believes they have been "dissed" (disrespected) by someone else. Have you never heard of this? [URL]http://www.inquisitr.com/1193129/lil-marc-dead-chicago-rapper-murdered-days-after-dissing-lil-reese/[/URL].[/QUOTE]But these are hoodrats who have probably literally never even been out of their neighborhood. These guys more than likely do not even posses a driver's license and can not even spell passport. So to even think of them travelling with a group of friends would be ludicrous.

[URL]www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vFbsZkhXU[/URL]

I am in total agreement with Mr E twice in one day. The guys who come with friends are all working 40 hours plus to pay for their fun. Most are very up standing citizens. Many of them are black men. Rarely have I seen them out of order. Sometimes loud but fuck they are on vacation. I have seen white guys way more out of control with drinking and being rowdy. So please do not confuse these guys with the sad hood rats E correctly identified. Sadly they are viewed in the same light. We call that prejudice.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1893217]But these are hoodrats who have probably literally never even been out of their neighborhood. These guys more than likely do not even posses a driver's license and can not even spell passport. So to even think of them travelling with a group of friends would be ludicrous.

[URL]www.youtube.com/watch?v=51vFbsZkhXU[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1893188]I just wanted to introduce myself and let you you guys know I really appreciate the information you have provided on this board. I will be visiting July 1st-5th and am staying right in the heart of Sosua within walking distance of the beach and all the bars. I have been researching over the past couple weeks and have looked at Campo and Curacao, Blackbeard's, the all inclusive resorts, ect. I was planning on going the safest route with one of the all inclusive resorts (being a Gringo) or Blackbeards, but I really want to experience Sosua. I certainly will be careful and have a good head on my shoulders but still excitingly nervous about my trip. I am going to continue to read up on the board and learn more before my trip, and luckily who I have rented from is from the states and has been traveling to DR from 20 years now and lived in Sosua for 2. He has offered to be my guide in the city. Anyways, thanks again. Now back to doing some research.[/QUOTE]That's really nice of him, offering to be your guide in the city. Which city? Because Sosua doesn't really qualify. Everything is within a 10-15 minute walk of the Texaco. Every place you'll want to see, except for the beach is within 1 block. If he's asking more than 100 pesos for a beer, he's ripping you off.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1893199]

As for losing face, I think that a lot of what we see both on this board and on the street is evidence of face saving behavior and a desire to conform to mob pressures, and while I don't want to take this into a discussion of ethnic differences, the newspapers and media in the US are full of reports of casual murders in US cities where someone believes they have been "dissed" (disrespected) by someone else. Have you never heard of this? [URL]http://www.inquisitr.com/1193129/lil-marc-dead-chicago-rapper-murdered-days-after-dissing-lil-reese/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Would the guy who has hacked our Frannie's account give it up? Our normally sensible expert on all thing Sosua seems to have flipped out.

Or maybe he caught his GF sneaking a beer and a smoke in a, gasp!, Prostitution Bar.

Or maybe it's just his coffee?

Anyway we want our old pal back soon.

As for the "mob" as he calls them, I would like to go on record as saying in close to ten years the NJ and NY crowd have been very instrumental in my trip enjoyment. From the early days, when they had their bikini booty parties around the pool at Casa Cayena, to a couple of individuals I have met and always look forward to seeing. (If you walk around with a big smile, and the ladies hang off you, it may even be you!) I'd rather they have my back if there's trouble.

The only trouble I recall having down there was with white mongers (The Watchers, I call them) who biatch and complain, and never seem to be able to have fun.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1893289]That's really nice of him, offering to be your guide in the city. Which city? Because Sosua doesn't really qualify. Everything is within a 10-15 minute walk of the Texaco. Every place you'll want to see, except for the beach is within 1 block. If he's asking more than 100 pesos for a beer, he's ripping you off.[/QUOTE]I guess guide is the wrong term. More of a resource. He is just giving me tips on good restaurants, excursions if I would like, where I should and shouldn't go, and going out with me if I want. A lot of that I can get on here but he is from the US and has great reviews on AirBnB so I think he will be a good resource for my first trip. I did let him know I was just there for relaxation and pleasure so the beach during the day and the restaurants / bars in the evenings in Sosua are all I am really interested in. And of course bring back chicas to my place LOL.

What we are trying to tell you is you do not need a guide in Sosua. The place is very small and everything is in walking distance. Once you are on the scene this will be very obvious to you. Two major clubs one main beach and one optional. Take 30 minutes to read forum posts and you will be an expert.

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1893382]I guess guide is the wrong term. More of a resource. He is just giving me tips on good restaurants, excursions if I would like, where I should and shouldn't go, and going out with me if I want. A lot of that I can get on here but he is from the US and has great reviews on AirBnB so I think he will be a good resource for my first trip. I did let him know I was just there for relaxation and pleasure so the beach during the day and the restaurants / bars in the evenings in Sosua are all I am really interested in. And of course bring back chicas to my place LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1893382]I guess guide is the wrong term. More of a resource. He is just giving me tips on good restaurants, excursions if I would like, where I should and shouldn't go, and going out with me if I want. A lot of that I can get on here but he is from the US and has great reviews on AirBnB so I think he will be a good resource for my first trip. I did let him know I was just there for relaxation and pleasure so the beach during the day and the restaurants / bars in the evenings in Sosua are all I am really interested in. And of course bring back chicas to my place LOL.[/QUOTE]Dude, Sosua is pretty much 1 street. Okay 3 streets, but who is counting. The only resource you need is someone telling you which way is the exit from your hotel. Not many excursions either. You could go to 27 Charcos outside of Imbert, Waterworld, Teleferico, or the malecon in Puerto Plata, the castle with art that CharlesPooter hooked us on to, and Cabarete. Other than that you just hang out at the beach, street, and later on bars to pick up chicks. There aren't but a few restaurants so you could eat at a different one each day and have them all covered during your stay. You would look and feel like a total jackazz having someone leading you around Sosua.

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1893382]I guess guide is the wrong term. More of a resource. He is just giving me tips on good restaurants, excursions if I would like, where I should and shouldn't go, and going out with me if I want. A lot of that I can get on here but he is from the US and has great reviews on AirBnB so I think he will be a good resource for my first trip. I did let him know I was just there for relaxation and pleasure so the beach during the day and the restaurants / bars in the evenings in Sosua are all I am really interested in. And of course bring back chicas to my place LOL.[/QUOTE]I don't know. If the guide is driving you around in an air conditioned vehicle, speaks good Spanish, and available any time you need him for a flat daily fee, he could be a very useful resource for a first visit and make it possible to get out and about more than you would otherwise. I had someone like that on my very first visit to the DR many years ago. On the other hand, if he is just out to get commissions from restaurants and tour operators and finders fees from night clubs, then it is a rather different story /.

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1893382]I guess guide is the wrong term. More of a resource. He is just giving me tips on good restaurants, excursions if I would like, where I should and shouldn't go, and going out with me if I want. A lot of that I can get on here but he is from the US and has great reviews on AirBnB so I think he will be a good resource for my first trip. I did let him know I was just there for relaxation and pleasure so the beach during the day and the restaurants / bars in the evenings in Sosua are all I am really interested in. And of course bring back chicas to my place LOL.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying he is a bad guy. He's probably just being helpful and making it easier for you to choose his rental.

My opinion is that AirBnB is usually the wrong choice for a first time Sosua visitor. The apartment is probably not conveniently located. This puts you at the mercy of taxis or your host to go anywhere. Then you need another taxi or motoconcho to get back with your conquest.

For about the same price there are several nice hotels where everything is a few minutes away.

Over breakfast or dinner at Hotel Sosua Sunrise (formerly Casa Cayena, or over a beer at New Garden, Casa Valeria or Hotel Plaza Europa, you can find plenty of American tourists with all the information you need.

You did avoid a mistake by not booking and all-inclusive resort. They won't let you bring chicas back to your room.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1893423]... the castle with art that Charles Pooter hooked us on to ...[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I cannot take credit. It's pretty well-known. It is called Castillo Mundo King. Used to be free entry but I think they are now charging. Still worth a visit, especially if you have a Haitian chica in tow. Take a chance to talk to the eccentric owner if possible. He lives there. So you wander into one room and it's full of statues. You wander into the next room and his mattress and underpants are on the floor. I thought it was a Tracey Emin homage.

Half-mile uphill up the turning alongside the cop shop. Take a moto unless a strong walker.

[URL]http://castillodelmundo.webs.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1893510]Thanks, but I cannot take credit. It's pretty well-known. It is called Castillo Mundo King. Used to be free entry but I think they are now charging. Still worth a visit, especially if you have a Haitian chica in tow. Take a chance to talk to the eccentric owner if possible. He lives there. So you wander into one room and it's full of statues. You wander into the next room and his mattress and underpants are on the floor. I thought it was a Tracey Emin homage.

Half-mile uphill up the turning alongside the cop shop. Take a moto unless a strong walker.

[URL]http://castillodelmundo.webs.com[/URL][/QUOTE]I was charged 300 pesos. Other than the guy who asked for the money I didn't see another person. Good place to visit.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1893377]Would the guy who has hacked our Frannie's account give it up? Our normally sensible expert on all thing Sosua seems to have flipped out.

Or maybe he caught his GF sneaking a beer and a smoke in a, gasp!, Prostitution Bar.

Or maybe it's just his coffee?

Anyway we want our old pal back soon.

[/QUOTE]Rest assured, no one has hacked my account, and I have not changed. Sometimes I just want to offer an alternative opinion to the groupthink that tends to predominate on these boards. My interest in Sosua is as a place where you can have interesting sexual experiences of all kinds with attractive women for not very much money, not to promote any particular lifestyle based on a consumption of various types of intoxicants, love of a particular kind of music, style of dress, and so on.

My comments on this topic just started because I was struck by Grownman's odd comment that he went out very, very late at night, because earlier on the chicas were looking for drinks. I have found it perfectly easy to have sex with chicas at any time of day and never felt any need to buy any of them drinks. You can buy them drinks if you want to, but you don't have to.

Oh, and I can assure you that I enjoy every moment I am in Sosua, even though I hardly ever drink alcohol and never smoke tobacco or weed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1893483]I'm not saying he is a bad guy. He's probably just being helpful and making it easier for you to choose his rental.

My opinion is that AirBnB is usually the wrong choice for a first time Sosua visitor. The apartment is probably not conveniently located. This puts you at the mercy of taxis or your host to go anywhere. Then you need another taxi or motoconcho to get back with your conquest.

For about the same price there are several nice hotels where everything is a few minutes away.

Over breakfast or dinner at Hotel Sosua Sunrise (formerly Casa Cayena, or over a beer at New Garden, Casa Valeria or Hotel Plaza Europa, you can find plenty of American tourists with all the information you need.

You did avoid a mistake by not booking and all-inclusive resort. They won't let you bring chicas back to your room.[/QUOTE]I did my research before booking and I am a couple blocks away from all the bars on Pedro Clisante, and about 4 blocks from the beach. But yes, I originally was looking into all-inclusive resorts when deciding between Dominican Republic, Curacao, etc. But with all of the help from you guys on this forum and others I learned about not being able to take the chicas back and also about all of the much better food you can get for less at local restaurants.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1893549] My interest in Sosua is as a place where you can have interesting sexual experiences of all kinds with attractive women for not very much money, not to promote any particular lifestyle based on a consumption of various types of intoxicants, love of a particular kind of music, style of dress, and so on.

I have found it perfectly easy to have sex with chicas at any time of day and never felt any need to buy any of them drinks. You can buy them drinks if you want to, but you don't have to.[/QUOTE]I don't care what you want to promote or not to promote. Just don't make your complaints personal to me. I don't care if you want to rant against your favorite bogey man, if you use me as an example of your pet hates and you'll hear from me, to set the record straight.

You don't know me, or my habits, and yet you pile on the inuendo as above. It's basically the "YOU" in you can drink for hours, to get your beer goggles on, work up courage, save face, the other shit, or as above "YOU don't have to buy them drinks" to have sex with them. It's the "YOU" stupid!

For the record, I don't actually drink as a rule, only in social situations, and then only lite beer. Never drink at home if alone, never buy booze to take there or bring back, always give the guest bottles of alcohol they give us in the room to the buss boy, or the maids or the GF if she has room to stow it when we leave. The chica and I never drink in our room, except maybe for one on the patio we brought unfinished from the bar.

I have probably set a record at least a couple times at the all inclusive Casa Marina, by not having one free drink from the multiple bars all week. I only drink offsite, because (a) our "cousins" and friends are down on the main drag, (b) they don't have lite beer, which is all I drink, and (c) they serve it in small plastic cups, which is no substutute for the ice covered bottles they dress up like penguins with napkins at the "cousins" bar. Tastes good on a hot day!

GF prefers coke or Red Bull and has never smoked, in fact she was instrumental in helping me quit smoking a couple years ago. We are in bed by 10 and I can't remember the last time I was in Classico.

(That Presidente Lite she holds up at the bar when I arrive at PP is a symbolic gesture only. Let the vacation begin!) LOL.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1893624]I don't care what you want to promote or not to promote. Just don't make your complaints personal to me. I don't care if you want to rant against your favorite bogey man, if you use me as an example of your pet hates and you'll hear from me, to set the record straight.

You don't know me, or my habits, and yet you pile on the inuendo as above. It's basically the "YOU" in you can drink for hours, to get your beer goggles on, work up courage, save face, the other shit, or as above "YOU don't have to buy them drinks" to have sex with them. It's the "YOU" stupid!

For the record, [/QUOTE]Stop crying in your cups! You are becoming maudlin. Nothing I have written has been personal to you, unless you decided to take it that way, which apparently you have. However, as Bob Marley said "And who the cap fit, let them wear it".

[QUOTE=Frannie;1893639]Stop crying in your cups! You are becoming maudlin. Nothing I have written has been personal to you, unless you decided to take it that way, which apparently you have. However, as Bob Marley said "And who the cap fit, let them wear it".[/QUOTE]Nobody's crying pal, just having fun widja!

Interesting you should quote Marley, one of ganjas most famous promoters.

(For a moment it thought you might be down on certain groups).

Frannie:

"I think that a lot of what we see both on this board and on the street is evidence of face saving behavior and a desire to conform to mob pressures, and while I don't want to take this into a discussion of ethnic differences, the newspapers and media in the US are full of reports of casual murders in US cities where someone believes they have been "dissed" (disrespected) by someone else ".

But if the cap fits, eh?

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1893622]But yes, I originally was looking into all-inclusive resorts when deciding between Dominican Republic, Curacao, etc. But with all of the help from you guys on this forum and others I learned about not being able to take the chicas back and also about all of the much better food you can get for less at local restaurants.[/QUOTE]Did you every look into Blackbeard Resort in Puerto Plata? They have chicas on site and is not as expensive as those all-inclusive tourist traps in the DR. Lost my DR Cherry there on my very first mongering trip out of the US, met some guys there who heard about some place named "Classicos" in some place called "Sosua". We took taxis there the last two nights of our trip and the rest is history, LOL!

Here is the link: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3458-Blackbeards-Resort[/URL].

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1894115]Did you every look into Blackbeard Resort in Puerto Plata? They have chicas on site and is not as expensive as those all-inclusive tourist traps in the DR. Lost my DR Cherry there on my very first mongering trip out of the US, met some guys there who heard about some place named "Classicos" in some place called "Sosua". We took taxis there the last two nights of our trip and the rest is history, LOL!

Here is the link: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3458-Blackbeards-Resort[/URL].[/QUOTE]I did look into Blackbeard's. That would have been the safe bet on my first trip, but I am always a "grass is greener on the other side" kinda guy LOL. I know it would have eaten at me that I didn't go to Sosua and see the best action. I guess I could have taken a taxi to Sosua one night like you guys did, but I like knowing I am within walking distance of all the places I need to be in Sosua and have no need for taxis / motos. I have a feeling I am going to be falling love with the DR (but not a chica) haha.

I think you are making the right choice. Sosua offers so much more than BB. Once you experience Sosua you do not need BB. Once you know how to ride a bike you do not put the training wheels back on.

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1894313]I did look into Blackbeard's. That would have been the safe bet on my first trip, but I am always a "grass is greener on the other side" kinda guy LOL. I know it would have eaten at me that I didn't go to Sosua and see the best action. I guess I could have taken a taxi to Sosua one night like you guys did, but I like knowing I am within walking distance of all the places I need to be in Sosua and have no need for taxis / motos. I have a feeling I am going to be falling love with the DR (but not a chica) haha.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1894766]I think you are making the right choice. Sosua offers so much more than BB. Once you experience Sosua you do not need BB. Once you know how to ride a bike you do not put the training wheels back on.[/QUOTE]I agree.

Think of Sosua as just a bigger version of Blackbeards but with many more options, choices, activites, MPs, and decent restaurants. I'm wondering how I'd feel at BB if the guy ahead of me decided to take the two hottest chicas for a day or two and kept me waiting :)

If there wasn't a Sosua, you'd need a Blackbeards.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1894766]I think you are making the right choice. Sosua offers so much more than BB. Once you experience Sosua you do not need BB. Once you know how to ride a bike you do not put the training wheels back on.[/QUOTE]I think individuals have to make their own choices based on their needs. I went to Blackbeards on my first trip to the DR and I also had a guide with a car who showed me round the north coast. At that point in time I did not speak much Spanish, having 6 weeks of study under my belt, and although I had traveled the world extensively and been to many countries, I had not traveled outside the US, except to Britain, France, Germany, and the Netherlands, for several years and knew absolutely nothing about Dominican culture, food, or anything. I would not go to Blackbeards now, but at the time it was perfect for my needs. If I had gone to Sosua straight away, I might have been overwhelmed with the culture, language, food, and, of course, the women. Now I speak Spanish fluently and my whole perspective on the DR is very different from on my first visit.

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1894313]I did look into Blackbeard's. That would have been the safe bet on my first trip, but I am always a "grass is greener on the other side" kinda guy LOL. I know it would have eaten at me that I didn't go to Sosua and see the best action. I guess I could have taken a taxi to Sosua one night like you guys did, but I like knowing I am within walking distance of all the places I need to be in Sosua and have no need for taxis / motos. I have a feeling I am going to be falling love with the DR (but not a chica) haha.[/QUOTE]To each his own, of course. My Spanish is very good, but I lack the patience to play games, and trips back and forth from clubs to my hotel.

Personally, I've tried Sosua, and BB, and my taste runs to BB.

I usually recommend BB, especially to newbies, for its convenience.

Many tout the "hunting" process, "game" etc. I usually have limited time, and lack the patience for trolling the bars, playing games, etc.

I usually compare it to fishing. Some go for the "fishing experience" and landing a good one for them is most of the fun. Sometimes you land a beauty, sometimes nothing, the catch is "spoiled" or poor pickings.

I, on the other hand, go there to spend my time "eating seafood" not spending most of my time "fishing. ".

Some call it "spoon feeding" as a put down to one's "game" skills. Screw that, if I'm on vacation, spoon feed me.

If I see one I like, its a short stroll to my room, versus taking a motoconcho back to the hotel, check in, etc. Cuts into my "eating seafood" time.

Despite the recent bad experience one guest had, covered on the BB thread, over all, the quality control at BB is good.

You'll see lots more reports of drama queens, "starfish" poor performance, scams, etc on the Sosua thread than on BB.

Bad experiences at BB are rare. Drugs, theft, scams, etc are a good way for a girl to get barred. No one is going to call the cops on you. Not the chica, not the hotel.

You also have the benefit of regular STD testing (I have watched chicas handing their papers to a mamasan, and driven a chica to her med appt).

To each his own. Try both and write a report on your experiences.

Suerte,

Y69.

"La vida es un ratico, un ratico, nada mas. " - Juanes.

I appreciate all of your thoughts and advice fellas. I am definitely not fluent in Spanish but its unbelievable how much I have learned in just a couple days using google translator to talk to girls on whatsapp. I will certainly report on my experience and I do think I will split the trip I take after this one between Sosua and Blackbeards. This go around I will be exploring Sosua.

[QUOTE=StripperLove;1895012]I appreciate all of your thoughts and advice fellas. I am definitely not fluent in Spanish but its unbelievable how much I have learned in just a couple days using google translator to talk to girls on whatsapp. I will certainly report on my experience and I do think I will split the trip I take after this one between Sosua and Blackbeards. This go around I will be exploring Sosua.[/QUOTE]LOL. There is never a shortage of opinion on this board!

I learned all the Spanish I need to operate down there by operating down there. Due to lack of education, most of the chicas use a very limited vocabulary, and even many of these few words are either misspelled or otherwise are not formal spanish and are not translatable, say, by Google.

I started off with some online lessons, but soon gave up when the chicas didn't understand the words I was using. So I get by quite well with just what I have picked up, except I can't understand rapid conversational stuff (although I can pick up the gist of the conversation).

I agree learning the language is very useful, like any second language, but unless you are going to spend a great deal of time there, or are in love with a professional, it is not really necessary for the casual monger.

(Now relax you guys, this is only MY opinion!)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1895201]LOL. There is never a shortage of opinion on this board!

I learned all the Spanish I need to operate down there by operating down there. Due to lack of education, most of the chicas use a very limited vocabulary, and even many of these few words are either misspelled or otherwise are not formal spanish and are not translatable, say, by Google.[/QUOTE]You could say the same about employees in the US or the UK speaking English.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1895201]
I started off with some online lessons, but soon gave up when the chicas didn't understand the words I was using. So I get by quite well with just what I have picked up, except I can't understand rapid conversational stuff (although I can pick up the gist of the conversation).[/QUOTE]If it was really true that speakers of Dominican dialect cannot understand standard Spanish, they would not be able to understand the TV news in their own country, or the words in the pop songs they hear on the radio.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1895201]

I agree learning the language is very useful, like any second language, but unless you are going to spend a great deal of time there, or are in love with a professional, it is not really necessary for the casual monger.

(Now relax you guys, this is only MY opinion!)[/QUOTE]Depends on the reason for learning the second language, as you say. True that casual mongers can get by without Spanish, but also true that with enhanced Spanish you can usually have better sexual experiences and get more out of Dominican culture in general.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1895252]You could say the same about employees in the US or the UK speaking English.

If it was really true that speakers of Dominican dialect cannot understand standard Spanish, they would not be able to understand the TV news in their own country, or the words in the pop songs they hear on the radio.

Depends on the reason for learning the second language, as you say. True that casual mongers can get by without Spanish, but also true that with enhanced Spanish you can usually have better sexual experiences and get more out of Dominican culture in general.[/QUOTE]I don't want to get down in the weeds with you here again Frannie, but there are many localized versions of lengua de Espana, but the newbie is likely to be looking at commercial language programs like Pimsleur or Rosetta leaning formal Spanish. Not the bastardized version popular among the putas.

And no, I don't believe Domincans can't understand "the TV news in their own country" That's just silly! Hey they can even understand me :)

More on topic, have you gotten laid in Sosua recently? Tell us about that!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1877768]I'm "Dead man walking", it's the prison term for guys walking to the execution chambers. I'm headed to the airport in SDQ after an island hop with a board member for 7 days. He had never been to Sosua, Puerto plata, and Boca Chica. Even though my " Old Sosua" is gone, let me say we had a blast. I'm headed to the airport feeling drained and guilty because no one should have the fun we had.

I even ran into Brother P as he tried to sneak in a Sosua quickly before Colombia. The rate now is 45.70. The new road going from SD to Sosua was smooth. And the ride down the coast from Nagua through Gaspar Hernandez, Ro Sanjuan was improved.

I'm going to let the board member lead out as not to step on his toes. He will probably save some details for the "Gogo forum" to save the arguments here.

Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]Which road is newly paved? I will be taking that trip soon.

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1895361]Which road is newly paved? I will be taking that trip soon.[/QUOTE]The whole trip down the coast between Nagua and Sosua is improved Sir. Have you driven this before? Is it your first time to the DR? Reason I ask because it's very tricky for newbies. Miss the turnoff and you are back in SD.

Got to Sosua around 4 pm on Metro bus from Santiago. 220 pesos. Did not have much food during the day and so went for dinner at 6. The French place is Open. It is called Carpe Diem, opposite side of Mama Juana. I had a slice of veal with my favorite vegetable side dish (the veg on the left and right sides of the meat- a medley of zucchini, eggplant, bell pepper, tomato and so forth) The check was pricey. Red wine, beer, excellent bread, appetizer of endive with Gruyere. It came to 1300 pesos. Things were slow at this specific restaurant but anyone interested in French food, and / or Fish, do go and look up Etienne.

Sorry to interject with my non sexual theme but I love food as much as sex.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1895303]I don't want to get down in the weeds with you here again Frannie, but there are many localized versions of lengua de Espana, but the newbie is likely to be looking at commercial language programs like Pimsleur or Rosetta leaning formal Spanish. Not the bastardized version popular among the putas.

And no, I don't believe Domincans can't understand "the TV news in their own country" That's just silly! Hey they can even understand me :)

More on topic, have you gotten laid in Sosua recently? Tell us about that![/QUOTE]I don't think there is any reason to think that the Spanish of Pimsleur or Rosetta will not be understood. I originally learned Spanish from compact discs and was understood. If you speak to people like doctors and teachers in Sosua you will be understood, and also by sex workers. Obviously they will not speak back at you in exactly the same style of Spanish, but so what?

A gentleman does not kiss and tell, but I will note that hardly anyone on these boards ever writes about having sex in massage parlors in Sosua, which can be fun. The upside is that you don't have to pay for a room, the downside is that they don't have proper showers or beds, so you have to have the girl get on top of you on the massage bed, or have her stand on the floor, and you can't make a lot of noise. Anyway, there is something delightfully sleazy about having sex with a cutie while pedestrians walk past a few feet away, or someone else is getting a massage on the other side of a screen. I hesitate to mention any exact names or locations, because you never know who is reading these boards and I don't want to get anyone into trouble, but if you were leaving the front door of the New Garden hotel, you could turn to either the left or the right and get laid within 150 yards.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1895639]A gentleman does not kiss and tell, but I will note that hardly anyone on these boards ever writes about having sex in massage parlors in Sosua, which can be fun. The upside is that you don't have to pay for a room, the downside is that they don't have proper showers or beds, so you have to have the girl get on top of you on the massage bed, or have her stand on the floor, and you can't make a lot of noise. [/QUOTE]Two more downsides are that the girl at Belkis told me they don't have AC, and they want just as much for short time as I could get a girl for long time. And another downside is the massage girls/hookers don't look good. Probably best served for the guy who doesn't have much time to be away from his wife. But then he comes back all sweaty and smelling like pussy.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1895639]I don't think there is any reason to think that the Spanish of Pimsleur or Rosetta will not be understood. I originally learned Spanish from compact discs and was understood. If you speak to people like doctors and teachers in Sosua you will be understood, and also by sex workers. Obviously they will not speak back at you in exactly the same style of Spanish, but so what?

A gentleman does not kiss and tell, but I will note that hardly anyone on these boards ever writes about having sex in massage parlors in Sosua, which can be fun. The upside is that you don't have to pay for a room, the downside is that they don't have proper showers or beds, so you have to have the girl get on top of you on the massage bed, or have her stand on the floor, and you can't make a lot of noise. Anyway, there is something delightfully sleazy about having sex with a cutie while pedestrians walk past a few feet away, or someone else is getting a massage on the other side of a screen. I hesitate to mention any exact names or locations, because you never know who is reading these boards and I don't want to get anyone into trouble, but if you were leaving the front door of the New Garden hotel, you could turn to either the left or the right and get laid within 150 yards.[/QUOTE]I can't get excited with another monger going at it a couple of feet away, but your tastes obviously vary :)

As always, to each is own!

[URL]http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/Mobile/verNoticia.aspx?Id=21970[/URL]

Many of the massage girls are failed putas. Generally age has caught up with them. I enjoy a massage on my trips. The truth is you end up paying to much for the quality. I have had been given some world class BJs by massage girls. If you need one for the road they are not a bad option.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1895715]I can't get excited with another monger going at it a couple of feet away, but your tastes obviously vary :)

As always, to each is own![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldKool;1895745]Many of the massage girls are failed putas. Generally age has caught up with them. I enjoy a massage on my trips. The truth is you end up paying to much for the quality. I have had been given some world class BJs by massage girls. If you need one for the road they are not a bad option.[/QUOTE]Coming out of NG, if you make a left, theres a girl on your right. Always trying to get you to come for a massage. If I remember correctly from my visit last summer, she looked ok from a far. Any 411?

[QUOTE=AthTrainer;1895844]Coming out of NG, if you make a left, theres a girl on your right. Always trying to get you to come for a massage. If I remember correctly from my visit last summer, she looked ok from a far. Any 411?[/QUOTE]I didn't stop at that one, but did stop twice at the one down next to the laundry, across the street from Casa Cayena. Price was 600 p for an hour massage, and extra 1000 p for a happy ending. First one had a rough face, pretty good body and gave a good BBBJCIMDT and didn't spill a drop. And the massage was good. Second one looked good all over, but was just offering hand jobs.

The downside is they don't change they towels where you rest your face. I picked up strep throat in Sosua and I'm pretty sure that is where I got it.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1895390]The whole trip down the coast between Nagua and Sosua is improved Sir. Have you driven this before? Is it your first time to the DR? Reason I ask because it's very tricky for newbies. Miss the turnoff and you are back in SD.[/QUOTE]I have driven several routes from SD to Sosua including this one. And I did miss a turn off more than once. The signage is not very good. Have the signs improved?

[QUOTE=BigTimeFun;1895859]I have driven several routes from SD to Sosua including this one. And I did miss a turn off more than once. The signage is not very good. Have the signs improved?[/QUOTE]No. I've actually missed that turnoff while looking for it. There is a sign but it can be blocked by a truck or you can cruise by it. I knew I missed it because the signs when you miss it start stating the distance to SD. That's when I pulled over and asked someone. I'm talking about the Nagua turnoff. You figure the Dominicans would have a lead up sign saying " turn for Sosua / Cabarette in 2 miles".

Just leaving the airport (SDQ) looking for that toll road is tricky. Miss it and you will end up on Espana. I've driven that route about 12 times so my photographic memory has all the tricks. Good luck.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1895701]Two more downsides are that the girl at Belkis told me they don't have AC, and they want just as much for short time as I could get a girl for long time. And another downside is the massage girls/hookers don't look good. Probably best served for the guy who doesn't have much time to be away from his wife. But then he comes back all sweaty and smelling like pussy.[/QUOTE]They don't have AC, but they do have fans, and probably they were trying to tell you that one of the frequent power outages was in effect.

Well, obviously for it to work, you have to be attracted to the girl and have to be able to agree on a mutually agreeable price. I would say that three out of ten of my best sexual experiences ever were with massage girls. One was young and innocent and I had known her for four years before our relationship was consummated, one was an absolute stunner, and the other was one I had lusted after for quite a while. I would agree that a lot of the massage "therapists" are sub par in terms of beauty, and of course they are not made up and dressed up, but sometimes you find a jewel in the rough.

Leaving sweaty and / or oily is a real problem with massages when it is hot. Actually they will usually clean you down with damp cloths and wipe off with paper towels. However there is a good argument to be made sometimes for having a nice erotic massage without happy ending, and saving the happy ending for later with another partner, so as not to walk out into the street drained, oily, hot, and in need of a good shower and a sleep. If you have a massage without happy ending, you are more likely to walk out relaxed, but energized and feeling like you are walking on air.

However any true monger will want to give all varieties of sexual experience a try, so the massage parlors are a thing.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1895715]I can't get excited with another monger going at it a couple of feet away, [/QUOTE]Performance anxiety?

Tourism officials in Sosua demand an end to prostitution. Details in the Gogo forum.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1895904]Performance anxiety?[/QUOTE]No, I just prefer clean sheets. Your tastes may vary!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1896085]No, I just prefer clean sheets. Your tastes may vary![/QUOTE]I prefer clean sheets too, but I am not sure how much it affects my ability to become excited. I agree that it can be hard to be aroused if you are distracted by features of the environment.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1896130]I prefer clean sheets too, but I am not sure how much it affects my ability to become excited. I agree that it can be hard to be aroused if you are distracted by features of the environment.[/QUOTE]Lying on sticky towels, and having some broad with one hand on my dick, and the other on her cell phone, telling the other guys to wait, or playing Candy Crush doesn't quite do it for me.

Your tastes may vary!

Went to Caribe express in Chara micos to change money as the western union in town is closed. 45.80. On the way back stopped at Playero to buy a few food items hoping to be at lunch at one of the Italian places on the main street. All closed. Walking back to hotel, passed by a young woman standing on the sidewalk, and in sweltering heat. Went to speak with her. Haven't done anything the night before and sex before lunch was an appetizing idea. She was not dressed up or anything. She tentatively suggested 1000 pesos and was plaintively wondering if I had the money.

We went in to my place and both of us needed to have a shower it being a hot and humid day. She washed me and in the end, I finished the job in the shower booth itself. As she was getting dressed up, I gave her the money and a box of cookies I had just bought. She took the money, looked up and said, "me salvaste la vida". Just another day in paradise!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1896133]Lying on sticky towels, and having some broad with one hand on my dick, and the other on her cell phone, telling the other guys to wait, or playing Candy Crush doesn't quite do it for me.

Your tastes may vary![/QUOTE]You old romantic, you! You don't want your chicas multitasking when you have just gifted them flowers and chocolates. Mine usually need both hands to massage the affected area, and this is where a knowledge of Spanish numerals greater than 1 comes in useful.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1896248]You old romantic, you! You don't want your chicas multitasking when you have just gifted them flowers and chocolates. Mine usually need both hands to massage the affected area, and this is where a knowledge of Spanish numerals greater than 1 comes in useful.[/QUOTE]No flowers or chocolate in 9 years. (so far).

A coffee machine, which I get to use when I'm there.

Peace!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1895928]Tourism officials in Sosua demand an end to prostitution. Details in the Gogo forum.[/QUOTE]Well that's never happened before!

[QUOTE=Combo;1896319]Well that's never happened before![/QUOTE]LOL, I know brother. It's part of the six month cycle LOL.

In other news from Sosua three Americans were arrested. For what you ask? Taking pictures of a model with her clothes on.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1895928]Tourism officials in Sosua demand an end to prostitution. Details in the Gogo forum.[/QUOTE]Is there an election coming up? Let's not forget that elected officials often have to prostitute themselves in order to win votes and to get re-elected, LOL!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1896326]Is there an election coming up? Let's not forget that elected officials often have to prostitute themselves in order to win votes and to get re-elected, LOL![/QUOTE]Election just passed and Willy who ran the'Latins and Latinos list by 2 percent.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1896326]Is there an election coming up? Let's not forget that elected officials often have to prostitute themselves in order to win votes and to get re-elected, LOL![/QUOTE]Hard to say which are the worst wh0 res. At least with the chicas, you get something for your money. The politicians take your money, then screw YOU.

"When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer "Present" or "Not guilty. ".

Theodore Roosevelt, 26th US President.

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1896228]Went to Caribe express in Chara micos to change money as the western union in town is closed. 45.80. On the way back stopped at Playero to buy a few food items hoping to be at lunch at one of the Italian places on the main street. All closed. Walking back to hotel, passed by a young woman standing on the sidewalk, and in sweltering heat. Went to speak with her. Haven't done anything the night before and sex before lunch was an appetizing idea. She was not dressed up or anything. She tentatively suggested 1000 pesos and was plaintively wondering if I had the money.

We went in to my place and both of us needed to have a shower it being a hot and humid day. She washed me and in the end, I finished the job in the shower booth itself. As she was getting dressed up, I gave her the money and a box of cookies I had just bought. She took the money, looked up and said, "me salvaste la vida". Just another day in paradise![/QUOTE]Meaning: "You saved my life".

[QUOTE=MarcAnthony;1898126]Meaning: "You saved my life".[/QUOTE]Thanks for that.

It was hard for me to face the naked truth being blurted out that way: that there is hunger lurking around, at least for some.

Tom died. Don't know if it was today or yesterday.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1898541]Tom died. Don't know if it was today or yesterday.[/QUOTE]That is very sad news; he was a very nice person.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1898541]Tom died. Don't know if it was today or yesterday.[/QUOTE]A post on the DR1 site suggests it was today, 6/24/2016. Another post states his wife opened the bar on the beach a few days ago. I'm proud to have eaten at his place while I was in Sosua.

Life is short, guys. Work hard, play harder.

RIP Tom.

I spent 5 days in Sosua, Dominican Republic (DR) recently, it has been on my todo list for a while. So, when my wingmen mentioned going to Sosua, I jumped. They were both Sosua veterans, so I hit the ground running thanks to them.

It ended up being more of a vacation than a mongering trip for me. The vast majority of the working girls I came across were overweight, not my cup of tea. Finding a slim girl was like looking for a needle in a haystack. I managed to find 4 over the course of 5 days. Yet, when I went to Buenos Aires (BA), Argentina back in 2011, and I was quickly disillusioned with Argentinean working girls, I was more impressed with DR girls working there. This time, the few attractive girls I saw were civies at the beach. I struck up a conversation with one of them but she was with her family and nothing came out of it. Some working girls, from Haiti, were even aggressive, in asking for drinks and tips with nothing in return.

However, it was a nice relaxing vacation. DR is at the southern tip of Cuba, next door to Haiti and fairly close to Puerto Rico. Hence, this felt like a Caribbean vacation. The people were very friendly and nice, smiling the whole time. The food was excellent and they have 2 nice beaches. We spent 3 or 4 hours at the beach every day. But boy, folks are noisy there. They do everything in a loud way, talk loud, play music loud, but still friendly. I did not see beggars on the street, only kids selling fruits.

Overview.

My first mongering trip to Sosua in late May and early June 2016 revealed to me why this forum bears the name "Take Me Back to Sosua. " I appreciated it more than my first Latin American mongering trip last year to San Jose, Costa Rica, both during the trip itself and in retrospect. I thus plan to return to Sosua in the future. There were, however, a few aspects of SJO that I preferred, and having the prior SJO experience under my belt definitely enabled me to get more out of my Sosua experience. The success of this mongering trip inspired me to begin planning my next one: Colombia (MDE and CTG).

New Garden.

I stayed at New Garden, believing that it would be the best place to stay on a first trip to Sosua. My research led me to believe that NG was the Sosua counterpart of the Del Rey in SJO, and in this sense NG was the only major disappointment of my trip.

I knew that it was the slow season and adjusted my expectations accordingly, but there is a difference between slow and dead. On many occasions, there was not a single chica in sight, or the only chicas in sight were guests of other mongers. It picked up a bit toward the end of my trip, but even then the selection of only a handful of chicas was too small to find what I wanted. I only pulled one chica from NG. In the hour before I checked out and left for the airport, when I needed a quick and convenient knob polishing. NG also did not impress me as a hotel in general. For my next trip, I will try the other hotels down the street.

Statistics.

In seven days, I did 11 different chicas in 12 sessions, two of which were 3-leche TLNs with the same chica, who was my favorite. All of the other sessions were one-leche STs, except for one ST that yielded two leches. I pulled two other chicas that were also keepers and with whom I wished that I could have repeated, or to whom (in retrospect) I should have proposed extending our originally planned STs into TLNs. Of the remaining eight chicas, six were good enough to tip, but not compelling enough to repeat when there were so many other fish in the sea and I only had a week to catch them. There were two other chicas that I regret choosing in retrospect, but they still got the job done. I also pulled a 12th chica who later demanded payment in advance, prompting us to abort the session.

Observations.

I found the Del Rey chicas to be more visually appealing than their Sosua counterparts when I initially spotted them, only to find that more than a few of the the Del Rey chicas did not look as good naked. In contrast, there was a lower proportion of chicas in Sosua that caught my eye, but only one of them disappointed me once she got naked. Perhaps the hotter Sosua climate encourages a style of dress that leaves less to the imagination. I also found that the Sosua chicas had better erotic skills than their SJO counterparts – particularly the former's use of the "cocomordan" pussy-clenching technique. In Sosua, I received a lot more full service and a lot less oral service than I normally would, due to the combination of the Dominican chicas' great booties and the cocomordan technique of many of them.

I did, however, find it a bit harder to converse with many of the Sosua chicas and get to know them. Some of this difficulty may have been due to the physical environment or the peculiarities of the Dominican dialect of Spanish, but I also have to wonder to what if any extent the lower level of education and development in the DR (compared to CR) may have contributed to this difficulty as well.

By the same token, Costa Rican chicas seemed more enterprising and business-like than their Dominican counterparts, which may be why I preferred the latter at the end of the day (and why all but one of my favorite chicas in Costa Rica were foreigners). The Del Rey chicas were often quite aggressive, and I had to spend a lot of time and energy fending off approaches from ones that did not interest me. The Sosua chicas struck me as much more passive, although that did come with the slight downside of having to do more work to approach and engage those that did interest me. Most of the Sosua chicas also did not negotiate as hard. Some of them did not even quote me an opening price but instead asked me to name my price, which all of those chicas accepted.

I pulled most of my chicas from Rumba and only two from Classico, mostly due to timing; by the (later) time that the action at Classico had kicked off, I was either too tired or had already found what I wanted for the night at Rumba (I like to start my mongering early in the evening). I found it easier to spot, approach, and engage chicas at Rumba than I did at Classico because Rumba had more space and less noise, although the poor lighting often made it harder to see them, and the heat and the lack of air conditioning did not help either. IMHO, the air conditioning and better lighting of Classico were its most notable advantages, although they came at the cost of a cover charge and more expensive drinks. I also noticed that chicas asked for higher prices at Classico, and I found it harder to approach and screen them there because of the noise and overcrowding. I preferred the physical environment of the Del Rey in SJO, where you could spot, approach, and engage chicas in a spacious, better-lit, and air-conditioned environment and bring them up to your room without having to leave the premises.

Another aspect of SJO that I preferred to that of Sosua was the daytime scene. SJO has some good daytime casas and a reasonable afternoon selection at the Del Rey. I had read about the Sosua "suck shacks" on this forum beforehand, but neither the business model nor the women offering massages to passers-by appealed to me. Plus, Dominican chicas have such phenomenal booties that I wanted to save my leche for banging them instead of blowjobs. It was also a bit hot to walk around on the beach or on the main Pedro Clisante strip during the day, and the smaller selection of daytime beach walkers and streetwalkers that I did see did not appeal to me as much as the wider selection of chicas available at night, so I figured that I was better off conserving my money and my leche for the nighttime.

Highlights.

My favorite chica had silky-smooth, medium-chocolate skin, abundant tits & ass, and a face slightly resembling that of Sanaa Lathan. She said that she was a student and only came from her small town to work in Sosua on weekends, although I saw her there all week. (Hmmm.) We exchanged smiles repeatedly from a few tables away on a slow Monday evening at Rumba, after which she playfully threw a napkin at me, which I playfully threw back at her. I invited her over, and before long I was walking her back to NG. We had originally agreed upon a ST, but after my second leche in less than an hour, it became clear to me that she was a keeper, and I proposed extending our session into a TLN, to which she agreed. She had the best cocomordan, the best BBBJ, and the best GFE of all the chicas that I met. The first time that she did cocomordan on me, I moaned so loudly that they must have heard me all the way over at Rumba.

In the morning, we used the jacuzzi and had breakfast before we met up again for brunch on the beach with two chica friends of hers, during which we cuddled and she spoon-fed me. One of her chica friends was a light-skinned petite blonde spinner that I had also wanted to check out, but we did not click, either because of our respective personalities or because the spinner did not want to encroach on her friend's territory.

The Sanaa Lathan lookalike sought a repeat when I ran into her at Rumba on subsequent nights, to which I responded that we should plan on another TLN on my last night in town. I don't know if she took that as a rejection or not, but I explained to her later, on the night of our subsequent TLN, that I had been saving the best for last (which was the partial truth – I also wanted to see if I could find anyone better before my last night in town, and I could not). I know that she was unhappy about seeing me pull another chica on another night between our first and second TLNs, because she mentioned it when we finally did have our second TLN on my last night. She also indicated that she did not want me to return to Sosua for my DR next trip, but instead wanted me to visit her small town, because there were so many competing chicas in Sosua. Her GFE was weak the second time around, perhaps because of her jealousy and territoriality, but she was still the best in the sack of all 11 chicas I had, and I would still repeat again for that reason and her awesome body.

The runner-up was the hottest chica (in purely physical and visual terms) that I pulled during the trip. She was also good in the sack, had one of the warmest and wettest pussies I have encountered in quite a while, and also struck me as a nice girl in general. I only found out after the session that she was 32 years old – an early-stage MILF! I had thought that she was maybe 22-25. She could easily be a model if she were taller. She said that she was a student in Santo Domingo who only came to work in Sosua on the weekends – and I believe her, since I only saw her that first Saturday night when I pulled her from Rumba, and I tried to meet up with her on another occasion, but she was unavailable. Our ST session was a notch pricier than the others but was worthwhile because she was so hot, it was peak hours on a Saturday night, and she provided above-average service. She managed to coax two leches out of me in less than an hour (my third leche within 4 hours that night) with her volcanic pussy and initiated the second round without me even having to ask. In retrospect, I should have proposed extending our ST into TLN, especially since it turned out to be slow the following day (Sunday), and I mistakenly took it for granted that I would have the chance to see her again. She still goes out of her way to keep in touch with me on WhatsApp.

The second runner-up was a tall (maybe 6' without heels), slender chica. We had initially exchanged smiles at Classico the night before our eventual session, but she later explained that she had not proceeded further at that time because another chica (the Sanaa Lathan lookalike, perhaps?) had evidently marked me as her territory. She nonetheless approached me the next evening at Rumba, telling me that I was handsome and quoting me a TLN rate that was a notch below market. In retrospect, I should have taken her up on her generous TLN offer, either at first or after our ST had initially proven successful, but I was trying to limit my TLNs and was also a bit suspicious of the combination of her forward approach, her strong preference for a TLN over a ST, and her surprisingly low TLN rate. I have been kicking myself ever since, because the chica that I chose for my second ST that night turned out to be a regrettable choice. I am still scratching my head as to why this tall chica offered a below-market TLN rate, as she was quite attractive and it was not a slow night or time, and the cynical monger in me is reluctant to take her compliments at face value and believe that she genuinely found me attractive. In any event, this chica was quite good in the sack, and she either came or did a convincing job of faking it. She also delivered a good BBBJCIM finish, which seems harder to come by in Sosua. She might not be working in Sosua for much longer, as she claimed that she was only working there short-term to raise capital with which to start her own business.

Lowlights.

The worst chica caught my eye at Rumba because she looked different. It turned out that she was Venezuelan (I saw her passport) and claimed to have arrived in Sosua that day (I did not have the opportunity to look for her entry stamp). She initially gave me the impression that she was an unusually and genuinely nice girl, perhaps a bit naive and new to the game, and that she was unfamiliar with how P4 P worked in Sosua. She asked me to name my price, which I did (a fair market rate), and she accepted it. We got back to the hotel, undressed, and just as we were about to get down to business, she said "Where's my money, baby?" in almost perfect English (our entire conversation up to this point had been in Spanish). I explained to her that it was standard in Sosua and elsewhere to pay afterward, not in advance, to which she responded that it was standard in Sosua and elsewhere to pay in advance. The contradiction between this claim and her earlier claim to be unfamiliar with P4P in Sosua evidently did not deter her from stating such a bald-faced lie. It became painfully obvious to me that she was a seasoned pro posing as a newbie, having been around the block enough to realize that many gringo mongers prefer fresh meat to seasoned pros. She must have thought that her nice girl act would be powerful enough to cloud my judgment – it was not. We aborted the session and she left empty-handed.

The worst session that actually did occur was on a slow Sunday night with a minimal selection, and this chica was the only one at Rumba that appealed to me. She quoted me an outrageously high rate for a ST session – twice the fair rate, and a notch below the fair rate for a TLN. I negotiated her down to a rate that was still a notch higher than my target rate but that I was still willing to accept, given the lack of appealing alternatives and her general hotness, which was probably why she asked for such a high rate. She probably gets by on her looks alone, as the service was poor, and she did little to conceal her evident distaste for me. She kept nagging me about how I only had 1 hour to finish, even when we were only 10-15 minutes into the session. It took a bit longer than usual for me to leche due to her weak performance and her repeated nagging. I paid her the rate that we had negotiated and did not tip her. She did not even ask for a tip, so she probably realized that her service sucked.

The second-worst session went OK until I paid her after we had finished. I paid her the rate we had negotiated beforehand, plus a tip of 500 pesos. She then asked for a tip, to which I responded that the amount that I had just given her included her 500 peso tip. She then falsely claimed that we had agreed to a rate that was 500 pesos higher than the rate upon which we had actually agreed and thus wanted another 500 pesos as a tip. I stood firm as she persisted in her false claim, and I finally got her to drop it by picking up the phone and pretending to call security, at which point she visibly realized that her lie was not going to work and immediately left without any more money than what I had already paid her. In retrospect, I realized that this chica was just trying to undo our prior negotiations and walk away with the amount that she had originally quoted in the first place, which was above the fair market rate by 1,000 pesos. I could tell that she was not happy to accept this fair market rate, and in retrospect perhaps I should have aborted when I saw her reaction.

The lesson that I learned from the two sessions above is that it may not be a good idea to negotiate a chica's rates too far below the rate that she originally quotes. If she quotes too high of rate at the beginning (1,000 pesos or more above fair market rates), then it might be better to move on to the next chica, rather than trying to negotiate her so far down from what she really wants. Either she won't accept a fair market rate, or she will accept it and either give you bad service or try to milk you for more money to get what she originally wanted.

Other Chicas.

- My first pull was a cute, baby-faced, light-skinned blonde who was just slightly gordita enough to have serious tits & ass, but not so much that it made her unattractive or harder to bang. She demonstrated some solid cocomordan skills and kept going at it even well after I had come.

-I pulled a beach walker / streetwalker with a nice tight little body one slow afternoon. She had an appealing booty and good BBBJ. She walks the streets and the beach with a chocolate friend of hers who was also cute but I did not have time to pull. They might be good for a happy hour.

- I pulled a tiny girl (she cannot be more than 5' tall or weigh more than 90 pounds) because I wanted to bang such a small chica, but her best quality was her awesome BBBJ. No CIM, though; she's firm on that. She lives in Puerto Plata and is thus probably in Sosua a lot.

- I pulled a girl next door type who seemed shy and nervous, perhaps because she was new to the game; it made her even cuter, and her shyness and nervousness did not prevent her from being good in the sack either. She had some nice tits & ass and a cute baby face.

- I pulled a voluptuous early-stage MILF at Classico one night. She was good enough in the sack but had the most interesting personality of all the chicas that I pulled, including a sense of humor. It would have been good to spend some more time with her beyond just banging her.

- I pulled a random chica from the breakfast area of NG at the last minute before checking out and heading to the airport. It was in the morning and her quality BBBJ took care of the second round of morning wood that I had somehow developed, even after a previous BBBJ from the Sanaa Lathan lookalike earlier that morning, before she left from our previous night's TLN.

Non-mongering activities.

I had planned this trip expecting that there would not be many non-mongering things to do during the day, but the non-mongering side activities that I found pleasantly surprised me. The best was scuba diving; I took my first introductory scuba dive off the shore of Sosua with the Merlin Dive Center, which is near the entrance to the beach. I had originally planned to do this just to remove an item from my bucket list, but the experience made me want to do more of it on future trips to Sosua or other destinations.

I also knocked two other items off my bucket list: saltwater fishing and zip-lining. I got a solo spot on a saltwater fishing trip off the shore of Sosua through Mel's Tours, which was a good find because most companies that offer such trips want you to pay $500-600 to charter a boat for 4-6 people and do not let you book individually (I shared the boat with two other guys who had booked separately). I also did zip-lining at Monkey Jungle; I had thought about doing that in the jungle in Costa Rica but felt more comfortable trying it for the first time in a more controlled environment here (it is more of a park, despite its name). It was also fun to feed the monkeys that they have there and have them climb all over you. I also went to Ocean World, which was OK but might have been better if I had opted for swimming with the dolphins or sharks that they have there.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;1899825]In retrospect, I realized that this chica was just trying to undo our prior negotiations and walk away with the amount that she had originally quoted in the first place, which was above the fair market rate by 1,000 pesos. I could tell that she was not happy to accept this fair market rate, and in retrospect perhaps I should have aborted when I saw her reaction.

The lesson that I learned from the two sessions above is that it may not be a good idea to negotiate a chica's rates too far below the rate that she originally quotes. If she quotes too high of rate at the beginning (1,000 pesos or more above fair market rates), then it might be better to move on to the next chica, rather than trying to negotiate her so far down from what she really wants. Either she won't accept a fair market rate, or she will accept it and either give you bad service or try to milk you for more money to get what she originally wanted.
[/QUOTE]Glad you held your ground bro. There are a lot of stories here about chicas playing the "rope-a dope" game on gringos (agreeing to one price and then trying to switch up the price afterwards). One trick I fell for as a Sosua newbie way-back-when was going with a chica that told me I could pay her whatever I wanted. Of course when we were done the byaitch wanted 2000 pesos vs the 1500 pesos I was trying to give her.

[QUOTE]In retrospect, I realized that this chica was just trying to undo our prior negotiations and walk away with the amount that she had originally quoted in the first place, which was above the fair market rate by 1,000 pesos. I could tell that she was not happy to accept this fair market rate, and in retrospect perhaps I should have aborted when I saw her reaction.

The lesson that I learned from the two sessions above is that it may not be a good idea to negotiate a chica's rates too far below the rate that she originally quotes. If she quotes too high of rate at the beginning (1,000 pesos or more above fair market rates), then it might be better to move on to the next chica, rather than trying to negotiate her so far down from what she really wants. Either she won't accept a fair market rate, or she will accept it and either give you bad service or try to milk you for more money to get what she originally wanted.[/QUOTE]I have been saying more or less the same thing for years, but few people seem to agree. Incidentally, in your excellent report you use the phrase "fair market rate" several times without defining how you have determined fair market rate. Do you have some kind of calculator or cell phone app that you can input all the variables into an algorithm that determines the fair market rate, kind of like Uber for pros?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1900037]I have been saying more or less the same thing for years, but few people seem to agree. Incidentally, in your excellent report you use the phrase "fair market rate" several times without defining how you have determined fair market rate. Do you have some kind of calculator or cell phone app that you can input all the variables into an algorithm that determines the fair market rate, kind of like Uber for pros?[/QUOTE]LOL, by "fair market rate", I meant the usual or prevailing rates that I came to expect, based on my prior research on another forum and the rates that other chicas quoted me once I actually got there. What I found was that if a chica initially asked for 500 pesos more than what I believed to be the fair market rate, there was still room for negotiation, and if she did a good job I would often give her what she originally asked for, with that last 500 pesos as a tip. In contrast, I realized in retrospect that a chica who asks for 1,000 pesos or more than the usual rate either has an inflated opinion of herself, a low opinion of her prospective client, or both. None of which are a good sign. I think that the best thing to do in that situation is to move on to the next prospective chica.

Thank you for your appreciation of my report.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;1899825]Overview.

My first mongering trip to Sosua in late May and early June 2016 revealed to me why this forum bears the name "Take Me Back to Sosua. " I appreciated it more than my first Latin American mongering trip last year to San Jose, Costa Rica, both during the trip itself and in retrospect. I thus plan to return to Sosua in the future. There were, however, a few aspects of SJO that I preferred, and having the prior SJO experience under my belt definitely enabled me to get more out of my Sosua experience..[/QUOTE]An ecxellent take on a mongers first time visit to Sosua. A lot of newbies can relate to your experiences.

A couple of comments.

First, The New Garden is a generally a hotel you take your "finds" back to. The ones that hang around there are generally of lower quality than the ones just down the street.

The other thing (which always gets mixed reviews here) is that, a lot of mongers seem to put a lot of effort into negotiating the price of a session. It's my opinion that if you are dealing with a stranger, and she quotes an excessive price, better to move on. Obviously with such a diverse view of the value of the chica, it's a sure sign somebody is being unrealistic.

She may eventually agree to your lower price, but the potential for poor service / flip service / argument after the session, rises proportionately.

You can easily find generally accepted P4P rates for most monger destinations, MP, ST, TLN, they are posted here from time to time. They vary a little with quality of chica, time of day, day of week, even time of year, but the local market (supply and demand) keeps them within reasonable limits.

Thank you for taking the trouble to post such a long and detailed report, GringoItaliano. Newbie's take on things are usually more interesting.

I endorse Oakie's comments. Stay at the New Garden if you wish, but not for the on-site women, who are usually from the bottom of the barrel.

I always agree a lowish price in advance with chicas new to me. If they give very good service, I can always give more. After my first two or three "learning" trips, I never tried to haggle. If they did not immediately, or almost immediately, agree what I consider a fair price, I moved on to the next. There are ALWAYS other options.

If you become a regular visitor, you will find that the best chicas at the best prices are not found in bars and clubs on the main strip in Sosua. You will learn to find them on the side streets, often doing regular non-tourist-related jobs. And then in the surrounding villages and bateyes or the barrios of Puerto Plata. Places where money is scarce and your dollars are a godsend. Tattoos, piercings, dyed hair, colored contacts, good jewellery, watches, and phones repel me. Chicas who really need your money for their children and not to buy ghetto trash usually make the most appreciative, honest and giving companions.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1900314] Chicas who really need your money for their children and not to buy ghetto trash usually make the most appreciative, honest and giving companions.[/QUOTE]Truer words have not been spoken!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1900216]...she quotes an excessive price, better to move on. Obviously with such a diverse view of the value of the chica, it's a sure sign somebody is being unrealistic.

She may eventually agree to your lower price, but the potential for poor service / flip service / argument after the session, rises proportionately.[/QUOTE]It has been my experience almost everywhere and all the time. I always end up regretting haggling with a chick over price, invariably resulting in poor service. I have learned since to just move on to the next chick.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1900037]...in your excellent report you use the phrase "fair market rate" several times without defining how you have determined fair market rate. Do you have some kind of calculator or cell phone app that you can input all the variables into an algorithm that determines the fair market rate, kind of like Uber for pros?[/QUOTE]Whenever I go to a new destination, or return after a long absence, I always read the appropriate forum and voila, easy to determine fair market rates. On this trip to Sosua, I did the usual RTFF and determined that ST rates were between 1,500 and 2,500 pesos for working girls. Then, I used my judgement to determine whether a particular chica should be offered a price at the low end or at the higher end of the scale. I also use tips to reward excellent service, beyond my expectation.

BTW, I have not seen too many posts on the problem of change. My small notes tended to disappear rather quickly, and found myself resorting to Houdini tricks to make sure I always have small change. I would appreciate any advice from fellow mongers on this. I tried to go inside a bank one morning to ask for change, and I ran out quickly. The line was way too long. From a recent post, I also started requesting unusual amounts from the ATM, such as 9,900 instead of 10,000 pesos, for example.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1900372]I have not seen too many posts on the problem of change. My small notes tended to disappear rather quickly, and found myself resorting to Houdini tricks to make sure I always have small change. I would appreciate any advice from fellow mongers on this.[/QUOTE]You pay with a big bill without letting them see the rest of your money. If they do not have change then they will go find it.

It is important to vet the girls before you pull the trigger. If there is no vibe no matter what you pay the service will be lack lustered. On occasion when I have rushed and not taken my time I realized when in the room I did not want the girl and I think it was mutual. I just sent the girl home with 500 pesos.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1900361]It has been my experience almost everywhere and all the time. I always end up regretting haggling with a chick over price, invariably resulting in poor service. I have learned since to just move on to the next chick.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;1900112]LOL, by "fair market rate", I meant the usual or prevailing rates that I came to expect, based on my prior research on another forum and the rates that other chicas quoted me once I actually got there. What I found was that if a chica initially asked for 500 pesos more than what I believed to be the fair market rate, there was still room for negotiation, and if she did a good job I would often give her what she originally asked for, with that last 500 pesos as a tip. In contrast, I realized in retrospect that a chica who asks for 1,000 pesos or more than the usual rate either has an inflated opinion of herself, a low opinion of her prospective client, or both. None of which are a good sign. I think that the best thing to do in that situation is to move on to the next prospective chica.

Thank you for your appreciation of my report.[/QUOTE]Oh, OK. What I will do is usually open with an offer of what I want to pay, then if she wants to counter offer then we can usually find some middle ground. It is often useful to have a certain amount escrowed as a bonus for good performance. Or if the initial bid is nowhere near what she is asking, then that is probably a bust, and time to move on. Negotiating can be done in a humorous manner to get her laughing. "Yes, but I have a tiny penis and only last about one minute. You will probably not even notice I am there, so I usually get a discount from chicas. " If questioned later, you can add "Well, you are the only chica who can make me this big, so you deserve a bonus!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1900377]You pay with a big bill without letting them see the rest of your money. If they do not have change then they will go find it.[/QUOTE]But first you prominently display the big bill, so there's no confusion. Twice I had people try to give me change for 500 p, when I had given them 1000 p. Once, at the Metro station in SD, it required her counting the drawer in front of the manager and comparing it to the computer before I got my 500 p back. She did not look happy.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1900372]BTW, I have not seen too many posts on the problem of change. My small notes tended to disappear rather quickly, and found myself resorting to Houdini tricks to make sure I always have small change. I would appreciate any advice from fellow mongers on this. I tried to go inside a bank one morning to ask for change, and I ran out quickly. The line was way too long. From a recent post, I also started requesting unusual amounts from the ATM, such as 9,900 instead of 10,000 pesos, for example.[/QUOTE]Go to a local Colmado (convenience store) and buy a bottle of beer or water and pay with a large bill. Problem solved.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1900380]On occasion when I have rushed and not taken my time I realized when in the room I did not want the girl and I think it was mutual. I just sent the girl home with 500 pesos.[/QUOTE]You might as well had gone ahead and fucked her for 500 pesos, or at least got your dick sucked.

I just had some Puerto Plata shit fall apart so I am sitting at Field of Dreams now talking to one guy from New Jersey and another from New York. There are 10 girls here. There was a White lady from England behind the bar earlier. Don't know the deal with that. But another bartender told me they have a bikini contest tomorrow at 4. I asked was she going to be in it. She said no. I said well why are you telling me. She said well don't bring your ass here then if you don't want. I think she has it going on with a boyfriend or husband or whatever. A big rock on her hand and she drove in in front of me in a fly Nissan Maxima.

I am leaving now to go look for a room in Sosua. I just hit my regular chick in Puerto Plata and she said she would meet me in Sosua but she can not stay all night. So if anyone else is around and want to meet up then let me know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1900448]I just had some Puerto Plata shit fall apart so I am sitting at Field of Dreams now talking to one guy from New Jersey and another from New York. There are 10 girls here. There was a White lady from England behind the bar earlier. Don't know the deal with that. But another bartender told me they have a bikini contest tomorrow at 4. I asked was she going to be in it. She said no. I said well why are you telling me. She said well don't bring your ass here then if you don't want. I think she has it going on with a boyfriend or husband or whatever. A big rock on her hand and she drove in in front of me in a fly Nissan Maxima.

I am leaving now to go look for a room in Sosua. I just hit my regular chick in Puerto Plata and she said she would meet me in Sosua but she can not stay all night. So if anyone else is around and want to meet up then let me know.[/QUOTE]How did the girls look at FOD? The English lady sometimes tends bar and she is usually in the front office working. She does reservations and stuff, name is Anita. The other bartender usually at night is Jenny. She dates on and off Pedro, the guy that runs FOD, hence the car. LOL.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1900361]It has been my experience almost everywhere and all the time. I always end up regretting haggling with a chick over price, invariably resulting in poor service. I have learned since to just move on to the next chick.[/QUOTE]If a chica quotes me a ridiculous price, I take it as an insult and move on. It suggests to me she think's I'm a fool or a pushover. And you don't want girls in Latin America to think you're a fool / pushover.

Bargaining has to be light-hearted as Frannie suggests. Most experienced mongers have this process down pretty well.

I'm a hard bargainer. Sitting in Cucu bar drinking with my boy. A dude just came up selling a Swatch and 2 pair of sunglasses. They appeared of good quality. I especially liked the round Dior sunglasses because they remind me of the belated Prince. He was the reason that I started playing guitar. So I asked how much. He said how much for what. I said for all that shit. Then I said fuck it. I will give you $23 because I like you. He went to hemmin and hawin (as Pipelayer99 would say). Then I took the money out of my wallet (don't know why this wallet is in my pocket; guess I am getting comfortable being a vet) and put it on the bar. He was like give me $30 and buy me a drink. I said man it smells like you have already had enough to drink. I put the money back up and said fuck it then. I was just buying it because of the glasses. That joker left and came back 30 seconds later. Okay man give me the $23.

I left Bonao this morning and headed to La Vega to see a chick. She was supposed to go to my friend's wedding with me in Bayahibe at the end of April. She didn't end up going because she wanted me to buy new clothes for her to wear there. I said B you ain't the one getting married. You better wear something that you already have.

Funny thing I told my boy to put me down with a plus one because there was no telling who I would show up with. But that was after I had already given him her name. His wife never changed it. At the wedding they had fancy name tags inside of frames at everyone's place at the dinner table. And to top that off when me and my date went to speak to his wife after the ceremony she said oh is this and was saying the other chick's name but I cut her off.

Three weeks ago I shot the chick I was supposed to go with a Hello, because I had not heard from her in a while. I asked if everything was okay and she said no because her house burned down and sent me a picture of the damage. I said oh that is not good.

Today was her daughter's birthday and they were headed to this place called Rancho Avestruz to celebrate. They have a couple of swimming pools and stuff there. She said they would be there from 10 am to 6 pm. I pulled up at 11 and she was not there so I called to see where she was. She was at home. I told her that I would be over there in 10 minutes. Evidently she must have forgotten that she told me the place burned down, because when I pulled up I thought, I guess miracles do happen!

Disclaimer: Last night was Tuesday. If anyone who has been to Sosua in the last month would care to rebuff my report then please step in to do so.

Gogo posted something last week about the politicians saying they will stamp out prostitution in Sosua. Well at this rate they won't have to lift a finger; prostitution in Sosua is going to stamp itself out. I went out to the strip last night at 1am when my Puerto Plata girl left. (And thank god she came, because if it wasn't for her then I would have had a dry dick last night.) It was an about face from when I was last here Superbowl weekend. The place was on life support last night. But what was left there to keep it alive was killing it faster than anything. There were so many hair hat creatures (and they were trying to touch me, ewww) that I thought I was in Dana Dane's Nightmares video.

Usually when someone comes on ISG and says they couldn't find anyone to fuck in a particular location I think they must have been either high or drunk. But this time I am a total believer. I wouldn't fuck 98% of the chicks who were out last night with Old Kool's dick; and I am probably the least picky monger that I know. The sexiest chick that I saw was a Haitian honey with a fade. Besides her there were 2 chicks sitting inside of Merengue that I would have run through. But every last am one of those other chicks had no business even showing up last night.

There were not many people out at all to begin with. I could have literally parked the car in front of either Clasico or Rumba, but instead I parked at the corner of El Flow. I feel sorry for the guys who already have a trip booked. Good luck brothers. I would say there are more tourists out right now in the daytime than there were monger and hookers out. There are plenty of cars parked on the streets now at 11am, whereas last night there were hardly any. I'm about to drive my ass back to the milk and honey land of Santo Domingo. Glad I have a car. I won't even look back at this place in the rearview mirror.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1900725]
There were not many people out at all to begin with. I could have literally parked the car in front of either Clasico or Rumba, but instead I parked at the corner of El Flow. I feel sorry for the guys who already have a trip booked. Good luck brothers. I would say there are more tourists out right now in the daytime than there were monger and hookers out. There are plenty of cars parked on the streets now at 11am, whereas last night there were hardly any. I'm about to drive my ass back to the milk and honey land of Santo Domingo. Glad I have a car. I won't even look back at this place in the rearview mirror.[/QUOTE]But isn't May-October considered to be "Low Season"? At least that's what most of the hotels / apartments in Sosua call it and base their rates around on their websites.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1900750]But isn't May-October considered to be "Low Season"? At least that's what most of the hotels / apartments in Sosua call it and base their rates around on their websites.[/QUOTE]Tuesday at 1 am is probably the slowest of the week. It picks up Thursday for the weekend crowd. Not surprised the families are out earlier in the week to avoid the big city boys and girls that come for their vices later. American Airlines is now booking Cuba on their website for 299 rt, let's see if this will make the DR adjust the prices in the future to compete.

Thanks for the info guys.

Sosua Sunrise news letter indicated that other hotels were lowering there rates due to low season. Mr E my dick will be very busy soon. On the ground in 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1900750]But isn't May-October considered to be "Low Season"? At least that's what most of the hotels / apartments in Sosua call it and base their rates around on their websites.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1900725]Disclaimer: Last night was Tuesday. If anyone who has been to Sosua in the last month would care to rebuff my report then please step in to do so.

Gogo posted something last week about the politicians saying they will stamp out prostitution in Sosua. Well at this rate they won't have to lift a finger; prostitution in Sosua is going to stamp itself out. I went out to the strip last night at 1am when my Puerto Plata girl left. (And thank god she came, because if it wasn't for her then I would have had a dry dick last night.) It was an about face from when I was last here Superbowl weekend. The place was on life support last night. But what was left there to keep it alive was killing it faster than anything. There were so many hair hat creatures (and they were trying to touch me, ewww) that I thought I was in Dana Dane's Nightmares video..[/QUOTE]I was in Sosua in late May and early June (please see my recent trip report). It did seem slower than I had expected, based on my prior research, although I did not have any previous experience in Sosua to which to compare the level of activity. The selection in Sosua was less extensive than I would have hoped (based on my only other Latin American mongering experience in SJO, when I stayed at the Del Rey). The less extensive selection made it harder to find chicas that appealed to me on slower nights (Sunday-Tuesday), but it was sufficient for me on my first Saturday and on the following Wednesday-Friday.

I would add that, aside from the more limited selection, I did find it harder than I had expected to get the attention of the chicas that I liked there, and it was certainly harder than it was at the Del Rey. They often seemed disengaged or more interested in playing with their phones or talking to their wing-women. Perhaps it was so slow that they had just checked out psychologically and lacked the motivation to be more engaged.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1900750]But isn't May-October considered to be "Low Season"? At least that's what most of the hotels / apartments in Sosua call it and base their rates around on their websites.[/QUOTE]June, July, August and September are the slowest (and hottest) months of the year. Comparing this past week to Superbowl week is like comparing apples and dog shit.

Is it really such a big change over from July 2015, or those DDC videos on youtube from July / August 2013? The women there looked hot. Thinking of booking a trip but the Mr E post made me hesitate.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1900827]June, July, August and September are the slowest (and hottest) months of the year. Comparing this past week to Superbowl week is like comparing apples and dog shit.[/QUOTE]I have been to Sosua about 30 times in the past 10 years and definitely during each of the months that you have listed, but I have never seen it like it was last night.

And I could care less whether you hard legs show up, but where are the bittches at? Surely they have not left the island as well.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1900372]...BTW, I have not seen too many posts on the problem of change. My small notes tended to disappear rather quickly, and found myself resorting to Houdini tricks to make sure I always have small change. I would appreciate any advice from fellow mongers on this. I tried to go inside a bank one morning to ask for change, and I ran out quickly. The line was way too long. From a recent post, I also started requesting unusual amounts from the ATM, such as 9,900 instead of 10,000 pesos, for example.[/QUOTE]When it comes to change my pattern is to always exchange dollars for pesos during the daytime so as not to run out of pesos as the night goes on. Also, from my experience, the exchange rate is not as good during the night as in the daytime (since there are fewer places to exchange money as it gets dark. This I found to be true in Sosua and Boca Chica.).

Second, when paying for food in the restaurants I use large bills. As the evening wears on, talking with chicas and drinking a couple of beers in the dark, it is easy to make a mistake with one's money. Since I only deal with small bills in the nighttime if I make an error I will not be cheated out of much money.

I need some water so I jump into a colmado, give them DOP 500 pesos and walk away with the proper, smaller, change. Then there are the hotels you are staying at. You can ask them to break a bill for you.

I hope this helps, Lefeu.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1900725]Disclaimer: Last night was Tuesday. If anyone who has been to Sosua in the last month would care to rebuff my report then please step in to do so.

Usually when someone comes on ISG and says they couldn't find anyone to fuck in a particular location I think they must have been either high or drunk. But this time I am a total believer. I wouldn't fuck 98% of the chicks who were out last night with Old Kool's dick; and I am probably the least picky monger that I know. The sexiest chick that I saw was a Haitian honey with a fade. Besides her there were 2 chicks sitting inside of Merengue that I would have run through. But every last am one of those other chicks had no business even showing up last night.

There were not many people out at all to begin with. I could have literally parked the car in front of either Clasico or Rumba, but instead I parked at the corner of El Flow. I feel sorry for the guys who already have a trip booked. Good luck brothers. I would say there are more tourists out right now in the daytime than there were monger and hookers out. There are plenty of cars parked on the streets now at 11am, whereas last night there were hardly any. I'm about to drive my ass back to the milk and honey land of Santo Domingo. Glad I have a car. I won't even look back at this place in the rearview mirror.[/QUOTE]Tuesday is a bad day. Generally Thursday to Sunday is the busiest. Monday is not bad either. Chicas know mongers come between Thursday and Monday. Unlike other destinations in the world Sosua is a weekend destination for many from east coast of USA.

Unless you have a regular novio or enjoying all inclusive resort nobody stay whole week.

All the pretty girls come only on weekends. They will not make good money other times. Slow season or not weekends are busy all year around in my experience. Only problem is summertime is too hot. Air conditioning in Sosua hotels as well as clubs are not very efficient.

Thanks for the information Sammon.

I went ahead and booked tickets from July 28th to August 2nd. I'm excited as hell -- this is my first real mongering trip, aside from a couple of improvised nights out in Colombia. I'm a dorky white guy in my late 20's, but if anyone wants to party with me then, let me know!

I'll probably be doing Tinder or Tagged to get girls during the day and the clubs / bars at night.

If you are invited to some of these homes to eat don't be surprised if they only give you a spoon to eat with and learn to like what they like because 9 out of 10 the girl you pick will be use to cheaper food.

[QUOTE=Grub1;1901223]... they only give you a spoon to eat with.[/QUOTE]The most convenient implement for eating rice and beans, which is what poor locals eat 90% of the time.

Mr. Lefeu,

If you are looking for change. And you entered a bank but left before receiving any then it's a good thing you are a monger because you wouldn't be a very good bank robber. Willy Sutton knew "that's where the money is".

When I was in Sosua I took money out of the Caja Automatico (ATM) and went into the bank, waited in line (it wasn't long but then again I'm not on the Sexual Tourist timeline, I'm a Sexpat). Handed the teller my large peso notes and asked her to: "Cambia a menudo por favor" (Change to small please). It works, regardless of all the corrections the Spanish professors on this forum are going to make. And that's how a teller in Santo Domingo had previously told me to say it. LOL!

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1900372]BTW, I have not seen too many posts on the problem of change. My small notes tended to disappear rather quickly, and found myself resorting to Houdini tricks to make sure I always have small change. I would appreciate any advice from fellow mongers on this. I tried to go inside a bank one morning to ask for change, and I ran out quickly. The line was way too long. From a recent post, I also started requesting unusual amounts from the ATM, such as 9,900 instead of 10,000 pesos, for example.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1901255]The most convenient implement for eating rice and beans, which is what poor locals eat 90% of the time.[/QUOTE]Just for the fun of contradicting (and the locals are not going to agree with me), there is nothing like eating with your fingers, the cleanest and the most efficient tool ever. Just like the ancient Greeks and Romans did; Definitely klutzy and certainly not chic, but finger licking good nonetheless!

[QUOTE=NZSmith;1901050]Thanks for the information Sammon.

I went ahead and booked tickets from July 28th to August 2nd. I'm excited as hell -- this is my first real mongering trip, aside from a couple of improvised nights out in Colombia. I'm a dorky white guy in my late 20's, but if anyone wants to party with me then, let me know!

I'll probably be doing Tinder or Tagged to get girls during the day and the clubs / bars at night.[/QUOTE]First real mongering trip?

White guys in their twentys can get lots of girls right here in USA dorky or not. Go slow in Sosua. Some of the girls there will eat you alive and not in a sexual way. They can sense a newbie right away. Act, talk like you are experienced monger. Negotiation is the name of the game. If you are looking for top notch girls sosua is not the place.

I have met and enjoyed some normal girls I met not in Sosua. Never went online. I believe there are not many online girls willing to meet for sex only unlike other countries. But maybe other mongers can advice you who have done this. Other clubs are for locals only and most of the time girls are with their family or boyfriend. Sousa clubs are ok. All the single girls there can be approached and negotiated for sex.

Have fun!

[QUOTE=Combo;1900465]If a chica quotes me a ridiculous price, I take it as an insult and move on. It suggests to me she think's I'm a fool or a pushover. And you don't want girls in Latin America to think you're a fool / pushover.

Bargaining has to be light-hearted as Frannie suggests. Most experienced mongers have this process down pretty well.[/QUOTE]Yep. Do it with a little amusement. I say you are so beautiful you clearly are worth even more than that but unfortunately all I can afford is 1500. Maybe I can save my money and eventually have enough for you. If they say ok anyway I tend to take them out and court them and talk. If we don't have good chemistry I don't bother. If things go well I tend to give them extra regalos and tips. I agree about the "fool pushover" thing. Chicas don't respect you for being easy to push around but when you first meet her giving a high price may be testing you but since she doesn't know you it doesn't make sense to treat it as disrespecting you. Even if you know her pretty well chicas will still test you. By then all it should take is a look to get her to smile and quit it.

Like I say, you ain't the only one that you know mongering. My cousin just put on his facebook that he was having fun in Sosua. Not knowing he knew anything about Sosua, I told him that I just missed him by 2 days. Then I called my dad and told him that he was down there and that I thought he was married. My dad said he believes he got divorced. Looks like I may have a new wingman.

No need to fret when a chica does not want work with you. Sosua has so many willing women you should never miss a beat. Now is slow season so the girls should be lista.

[QUOTE=MarcAnthony;1901870]Yep. Do it with a little amusement. I say you are so beautiful you clearly are worth even more than that but unfortunately all I can afford is 1500. Maybe I can save my money and eventually have enough for you. If they say ok anyway I tend to take them out and court them and talk. If we don't have good chemistry I don't bother. If things go well I tend to give them extra regalos and tips. I agree about the "fool pushover" thing. Chicas don't respect you for being easy to push around but when you first meet her giving a high price may be testing you but since she doesn't know you it doesn't make sense to treat it as disrespecting you. Even if you know her pretty well chicas will still test you. By then all it should take is a look to get her to smile and quit it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1901890]Like I say, you ain't the only one that you know mongering. My cousin just put on his facebook that he was having fun in Sosua. Not knowing he knew anything about Sosua, I told him that I just missed him by 2 days. Then I called my dad and told him that he was down there and that I thought he was married. My dad said he believes he got divorced. Looks like I may have a new wingman.[/QUOTE]Well at least he's having a good time their, unlike you did? What's the verdict Sosua still good or no? My feet will be planted today, I'm hoping it's all good!

We know it is not one of Frannie's. His are well-trained.

[URL]http://worldstaruncut.com/uncut/27364[/URL]

[QUOTE=RacShack;1901951]Well at least he's having a good time their, unlike you did? What's the verdict Sosua still good or no? My feet will be planted today, I'm hoping it's all good![/QUOTE]One good friend said the weekend is the only time to do Sosua. That is why I stated the day of the week that I was there; in case someone could put their finger on that being the x factor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902249]We know it is not one of Frannie's. His are well-trained.

[URL]http://worldstaruncut.com/uncut/27364[/URL][/QUOTE]Kind of interesting that every single person in that room had titties, lmao! :-O

To add on to what NZSMith said it will also be my first time in Sousa, or even DR for that fact. Aside from a few trips to Tijuana I am completely lost on protocol in Sousa. If any one could guide me that would be beneficial and appreciated. Only have a few questions.

I'll be sexcationing from the 7th to the 13th and I'm pretty set on the Victorian house for the fact of location and pricing. Mostly location. Smart move?

I know in Tijuana you don't have to exchange currency but it does help a little with that said do I need to exchange? Or will Jackson and Grant be welcomed?

Was reading some previous posts showing a convo with a girl for 1500 pesos. A quick Google search shows that's about 32-35 US dollars? Is this correct? What does that include & for how long. I would probably want a girl in the afternoon and one for the remainder of the night. Any advice on how much I should bring?

Last one! I was reading at Cristal's stripclub? Any thoughts and experiences would be great.

Sorry if these questions are novice I really tried looking before posting and became impatient.

Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1902689]night. Any advice on how much I should bring?

Last one! I was reading at Cristal's stripclub? Any thoughts and experiences would be great.


Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]If money is a concern don't worry about even going here and to boot you can find more beautiful elsewhere.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1902689]To add on to what NZSMith said it will also be my first time in Sousa, or even DR for that fact. Aside from a few trips to Tijuana I am completely lost on protocol in Sousa. If any one could guide me that would be beneficial and appreciated. Only have a few questions.

I'll be sexcationing from the 7th to the 13th and I'm pretty set on the Victorian house for the fact of location and pricing. Mostly location. Smart move?

I know in Tijuana you don't have to exchange currency but it does help a little with that said do I need to exchange? Or will Jackson and Grant be welcomed?

Was reading some previous posts showing a convo with a girl for 1500 pesos. A quick Google search shows that's about 32-35 US dollars? Is this correct? What does that include & for how long. I would probably want a girl in the afternoon and one for the remainder of the night. Any advice on how much I should bring?

Last one! I was reading at Cristal's stripclub? Any thoughts and experiences would be great.

Sorry if these questions are novice I really tried looking before posting and became impatient.

Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]Good questions. The first thing you need to know is that the place you are going to is called Sosua, not Sousa. I am surprised that you were unable to find this in your prior researches. But whatever.

Your choice of hotel is OK. You need to change money into pesos, but you may be able to pay for the hotel with US $. Bring a few hundred dollars in $100 bills, but keep the rest of your money in the bank at home and use a debit card at a bank ATM in Sosua to get more. Budget to spend about two times what you planned. 1500 pesos will get you a quickie with a girl who is not too attractive, so don't be surprised if you have to pay more. I assume you don't speak Spanish to any meaningful extent. Give Cristal a miss. I would not get girls for overnight unless you have already spent time with them and discovered that you want to spend more time with them. Too much can go wrong if you are new at this game. Condom use is recommended unless you have advanced skills.

I think you are overplanning a bit. Just go with the swing of things and see where it takes you. Try not to fall in love or get married. It will most likely be a mistake if not for you, then for the girl, due to your premature memory loss in already forgetting your unmemorable prior trips to the DR.

Do not waste your time replying to this poster. Just another bullshitting fantasist.

Today:

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1902689]... it will also be my first time in Sousa, or even DR for that fact. [/QUOTE]9 January 2016:

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1823671]I've been venturing to Tijuana and DR for the past 3 years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1902748]Do not waste your time replying to this poster. Just another bullshitting fantasist.

Today:

9 January 2016:[/QUOTE]Nice catch, bro!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1902252]One good friend said the weekend is the only time to do Sosua. That is why I stated the day of the week that I was there; in case someone could put their finger on that being the x factor.[/QUOTE]OK Mr e it's confirmed this place sucks no talent what so ever, I'm looking for next flight out, I've been around the world and never in my life wanted to get out of somewhere as I do here, the not looking back in rear view mirror is making sense now, WTF I'm stuck here? Thinking about heading to the city or another country all together, will explain more when I find my way out of here, you guys don't even want to know what I paid from Mia to pop for this fucking shithole! Now I'm up in air where to go quick! Looking like no matter what day of week Sosua is a past tense thing! Gross fat chicks everywhere.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1902749]Nice catch, bro![/QUOTE]Not sure what a fantasist is but I can assume based off context clues.

LOL I get you're trying to embarrass me or something? But when I posted that a while ago I genuinely meant PR as in Puerto Rico. As I am Puerto Rican but thanks. Doesn't change the fact I simply asked some questions so I don't end up missing or in prison.

I've included a pic of my flight details, some fantasy.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1902748]Do not waste your time replying to this poster. Just another bullshitting fantasist.

Today:

9 January 2016:[/QUOTE]Maybe he meant he has been venturing to the doctor for 3 years. Maybe it has something to do with all those trips to Tijuana. Shouldn't have drank the water.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1902852]Gross fat chicks everywhere.[/QUOTE]I read this post at breakfast today. Half hour later I was on my way to Sosua to meet a monger friend at midday.

As soon as I stepped out of the publico in Sosua a very attractive, young and slim chica pounced, saying "Remember me?" This is a standard approach but as I have fucked close on a thousand chicas here and my memory is shit, I do sometimes have to think a bit. No, I did not remember her. By the time we had crossed the road her price had dropped to 500 pesos for a blow-job. I had an appointment and was already late so was not interested, although she looked way above the usual skanks who approach you in this way.

During my two hours seated in cafes on the main strip I must have seen at least a dozen slim, attractive young chicas. Granted not all would have been immediately available at a reasonable price (or at any price) but I guess at least half would have been (as some made very clear). I would recommend RacShack to buy new spectacles or lay off the booze or chemicals.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1902852]OK Mr e it's confirmed this place sucks no talent what so ever, I'm looking for next flight out, I've been around the world and never in my life wanted to get out of somewhere as I do here, the not looking back in rear view mirror is making sense now, WTF I'm stuck here? Thinking about heading to the city or another country all together, will explain more when I find my way out of here, you guys don't even want to know what I paid from Mia to pop for this fucking shithole! Now I'm up in air where to go quick! Looking like no matter what day of week Sosua is a past tense thing! Gross fat chicks everywhere.[/QUOTE]Absurd post. Even if you can't find any attractive women, Sosua is a pretty good place to just hang out in, eat and drink, and relax, although admittedly the weather can get pretty hot around this time of year if you don't know how to stay cool. You could go over to Cabarete for a change of scenery and a bit more breeze. However, there are always some attractive chicas around in Sosua. Personally I do find that the vast majority of chicas there don't appeal to me sexually, so you may have something of a point, but it only takes one good one to make your day, or even make your weekend. If you want to get onto the next flight out from POP to MIA, you will definitely have to pay through the nose.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1902868] I am Puerto Rican...[/QUOTE]Say no more!

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1903201]...During my two hours seated in cafes on the main strip I must have seen at least a dozen slim, attractive young chicas. Granted not all would have been immediately available at a reasonable price (or at any price) but I guess at least half would have been (as some made very clear). I would recommend RacShack to buy new spectacles or lay off the booze or chemicals.[/QUOTE]Lucky you, I was there mid June for 5 days and I met a grand total of 4 chicks of the type that can be considered slim, attractive, young chicas. The rest were all big mamas, just not my cup of tea.

This was my first trip to Sosua. Luckily, I enjoyed the beach, the people, and the food. Hence, I had a great time. However, I am not sure I will go back to Sosua, as I can find all of these things, and more, elsewhere.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;1902868]Not sure what a fantasist is but I can assume based off context clues.

LOL I get you're trying to embarrass me or something? But when I posted that a while ago I genuinely meant PR as in Puerto Rico. As I am Puerto Rican but thanks. Doesn't change the fact I simply asked some questions so I don't end up missing or in prison.

I've included a pic of my flight details, some fantasy.[/QUOTE]Excuse the skepticism. When people with very few posts start asking questions which can easily be found in the forum, there are a few people who wonder if they are for real. When your only other post, 6 months ago, says you've been going to Tijuana and DR for 3 years and now you're planning a first trip to the DR, it's easy to assume you're not for real.

I am a little confused how a Puerto Rican could accidentally type DR instead of PR, but stranger things have happened. I'm also wondering why someone would go from Newark to Tijuana, rather than Cancun or even the DR. It's been a long time since I've been to Tijuana, but it would need some serious improvement before I'd travel farther than from downtown San Diego.

You're worried about ending up missing or in prison in Sosua, but you had no worries about Tijuana? Do you also wear a condom to church, but bareback with the girls in Tijuana? Sorry, my skepticism is leaking through again.

I can say, with absolute certainty, there is a 0% chance of you ending up missing or in prison in Sosua.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1903225]Lucky you, I was there mid June for 5 days and I met a grand total of 4 chicks of the type that can be considered slim, attractive, young chicas. The rest were all big mamas, just not my cup of tea.

This was my first trip to Sosua. Luckily, I enjoyed the beach, the people, and the food. Hence, I had a great time. However, I am not sure I will go back to Sosua, as I can find all of these things, and more, elsewhere.[/QUOTE]LMFAO, don't forget he's talking about 500 peso chicks that wear glasses and drink and do meth all night and service him in his wheelchair, but he does get his beer for 80 p, to each their own, I just did not like Sousa and wrote it as I seen it, I wear no glasses and don't partake in any kind of chemical, unlike the chicks that are blowing him!

[QUOTE=RacShack;1902852]OK Mr e it's confirmed this place sucks no talent what so ever, I'm looking for next flight out, I've been around the world and never in my life wanted to get out of somewhere as I do here, the not looking back in rear view mirror is making sense now, WTF I'm stuck here? Thinking about heading to the city or another country all together, will explain more when I find my way out of here, you guys don't even want to know what I paid from Mia to pop for this fucking shithole! Now I'm up in air where to go quick! Looking like no matter what day of week Sosua is a past tense thing! Gross fat chicks everywhere.[/QUOTE]Sosua doesn't suck, you just picked the wrong time to go. The Caribbean is hot this time of year, and it's hurricane season. Those two facts, and others, are why this is the "Low Season" in the Caribbean, which means 1) few tourists and mongers and 2) few chicas.

Stick around. Catch a few rays on the beach. Go for a swim. Have a few ice-cold Presidentes and some of Big DS barbecued ribs. Come November through next March, there'll be more pussy in Sosua than you can shake your dick at.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1902852]OK Mr e it's confirmed this place sucks no talent what so ever, I'm looking for next flight out, I've been around the world and never in my life wanted to get out of somewhere as I do here, the not looking back in rear view mirror is making sense now, WTF I'm stuck here? Thinking about heading to the city or another country all together, will explain more when I find my way out of here, you guys don't even want to know what I paid from Mia to pop for this fucking shithole! Now I'm up in air where to go quick! Looking like no matter what day of week Sosua is a past tense thing! Gross fat chicks everywhere.[/QUOTE]OK. So Sosua is not your cup of tea.

It is just a tropical island, palm fringed beaches, close to home, cheap to get to and stay, with literally hundreds of local women offering cheap sex, you don't even have to get out of your chair to make their aquaintance, just a little eye contact.

Not for everybody.

But surely, anybody who knows how to click a mouse, can find more than enough info to get a clue what Sosua is like. There are Youtube tours, millions of photos, day and night, which show it at it's best and worst, and the type of women available. What you see is what you get!

To spend thousands on a place you obviously going to hate, is not very bright. Why go to a hamburger joint if you're looking for chinese?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1903445]OK. So Sosua is not your cup of tea.

It is just a tropical island, palm fringed beaches, close to home, cheap to get to and stay, with literally hundreds of local women offering cheap sex, you don't even have to get out of your chair to make their aquaintance, just a little eye contact.

Not for everybody.

But surely, anybody who knows how to click a mouse, can find more than enough info to get a clue what Sosua is like. There are Youtube tours, millions of photos, day and night, which show it at it's best and worst, and the type of women available. What you see is what you get!

To spend thousands on a place you obviously going to hate, is not very bright. Why go to a hamburger joint if you're looking for chinese?[/QUOTE]Hey Oakie,

Hope you are well, but Sosua is no longer a cheap destination to go to. When I started going almost ten years ago flights to POP were 275 usd round trip. Now I can't find anything less than 650 that doesn't have a layover in Miami and I live in Florida. Also the videos portray Sosua at its best as an exotic wonderland. So I can easily see how these guys can be misled if some of the current things are true. Several dynamics could be in play here Sir.

1). Maybe the recent election with the pro tourist candidate winning is causing the smart pretty girls to lay low awaiting the fallout.

2). Maybe guys have fallen for the " I'm a student and I don't want to be in Sosua " line and set the pretty girls up with money allowances to stay away from Sosua. This could possibly move the quality down a notch in Sosua as the big girls seize their opportunity. The cops have no interest in arresting the big girls because they have no desire to fuck them. Or maybe the dudes who have a preference for big girls have cultivated a market.

3). Maybe the turnover for the premium girls is very high thus creating other options. The premium girls will holdout for their price but the big girls will be more reasonable. After drinking for a couple hours in Rumba those big girls with the fun attitude become more desirable.

4). Maybe Mr E and Radshack have devised some diabolical plan to run off all mongers and have Sosua for themselves LOL, which I doubt. These are veteran travelers so I value their observations. Another option is the tourist board is flooding Sosua with ugly fat girls to kill the sex market, which I find funny.

Someone recently reported that during the week the families come out and enjoy Sosua but disappeared when the weekend wolf packs arrive. Our Sosua is in transition and the future is unknown but I still think it's a great place if you hunt in the path less explored. The side bars, Puerto Plata, even Cabarette offer a refreshing change with a side adventure. I've expanded because of the airfare prices and have found the hidden treasures on the other side of the island. I can fly into SDQ for 350 usd round trip and I have a great hotel on the outskirts of Boca Chica with big suites for 40 usd. Not very many mongers over that side to compete with plus you have San Pedro, La Romana, Andres, and Santo Domingo all within an hour bus ride for the girls. Most girls don't mind coming for a visit and what happens after that depends on how you operate.

Hopefully guys will continue reporting about their Sosua adventures good and bad. Isn't that what this board should be about?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1903445]OK. So Sosua is not your cup of tea.

It is just a tropical island, palm fringed beaches, close to home, cheap to get to and stay, with literally hundreds of local women offering cheap sex, you don't even have to get out of your chair to make their aquaintance, just a little eye contact.

Not for everybody.[/QUOTE]Nobody is ragging on the beach, palm trees, or the cheapness. What you are discounting is the hideousness of the women that were there the day I was there or that the days the posters with other negative reports were there. Before I witnessed this for myself I would have said the same things to a first time visitor that you are saying. The whole while I was there, I was thinking of Lefeu's post; this mf was not delusional at all.

It is easy to tell someone they are crazy when you were not there at the same time that they were and were not privy to witness the same things that they witnessed. I didn't see it so therefore it ain't true. Like the mother who believes her kid is such an angel, but when not in her presence everyone knows him/her to be a devil. Not my child!

And literally hundreds of women? How many hookers would someone estimate Sosua as having at any given time? I wouldn't put the number as hundreds. Last Tuesday I can assure you that there were not even ONE hundred. And as I attested to before, only 3 of those were doable.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1903485]Nobody is ragging on the beach or the palm trees. What you are discounting is the hideousness of the women that were there the day I was there or that the days the posters with other negative reports were there. Before I witnessed this for myself I would have said the same things to a first time visitor that you are saying. The whole while I was there, I was thinking of Lefeu's post; this mf was not delusional at all.

It is easy to tell someone they are crazy when you were not there at the same time that they were and were not privy to witness the same things that they witnessed. I didn't see it so therefore it ain't true. Like the mother who believes her kid is such an angel, but when not in her presence everyone knows him/her to be a devil.

And literally hundreds of women? How many hookers would someone estimate Sosua as having at any given time? I wouldn't put the number as hundreds. Last Tuesday I can assure you that there were not even 100. And as I attested to before, only 3 of those were doable.[/QUOTE]So, will you personally ever return to Sosua?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1903489]So, will you personally ever return to Sosua?[/QUOTE]I will return to Sosua because I have a chick in Puerto Plata that I have been seeing for 9 years. Would I plan a trip with the express purpose of going to Sosua is a better question. The answer is No. Actually I have not planned a trip to Sosua for years anyway. I just usually fall through Sosua anywhere from a couple of hours to 2 days max while I am up that way.

Like back during Superbowl weekend I was in Puerto Plata and only went to Sosua on the spur of the moment for a couple of hours to meet up with Revere (I was headed to bed when he called me), who I might add was only going there to take his girl and some of her family members for a night out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1903485]Nobody is ragging on the beach, palm trees, or the cheapness. What you are discounting is the hideousness of the women that were there the day I was there or that the days the posters with other negative reports were there. Before I witnessed this for myself I would have said the same things to a first time visitor that you are saying. The whole while I was there, I was thinking of Lefeu's post; this mf was not delusional at all.

It is easy to tell someone they are crazy when you were not there at the same time that they were and were not privy to witness the same things that they witnessed. I didn't see it so therefore it ain't true. Like the mother who believes her kid is such an angel, but when not in her presence everyone knows him/her to be a devil. Not my child!

And literally hundreds of women? How many hookers would someone estimate Sosua as having at any given time? I wouldn't put the number as hundreds. Last Tuesday I can assure you that there were not even ONE hundred. And as I attested to before, only 3 of those were doable.[/QUOTE]I think there are 2 factors at play here. I'll call the first "gold fever. ".

Sosua has been a serious sex tourism destination for many years now. Every year more new people come to Sosua based on videos and reports that are 10 years old. Every year girls come to Sosua to get rich because their Aunt's, neighbor's friend's cousin met and married a millionaire there in 2003. The guys are certain they will find thousands of island beauties and the chicas are certain they'll find rich tourists. None of them realize the gold rush is over. There are still beauties to be found and there's still the occasional rich, lonely, gullible tourist willing to make a 1500 peso puta his wife, but both are in short supply.

None of this really matters to the new, fat, ugly chicas drifting into Sosua, or the new, fat, ugly tourists paying them. But, the experienced traveler, used to better days, feels the change and the real Dominican beauties know that Sosua is only worth their time on the busy days.

The other factor is perception. The great food at a restaurant doesn't taste as good after you see a cockroach run across the table. You're probably not ordering dessert.

It's easy to get a bad impression of Sosua, just walk down any street, day or night, and get pawed by 40 or 50 of the less appetizing women. Deal with a few that just don't appeal to you, but won't leave you alone and even the attractive ones start losing their shine.

I'm sure there are still good times to be had in Sosua, but it's not going to be the best time, every time.

Like the pendulum, we are back to the usual topic. Summer is here and many do not or cannot get out to the island and so it is vicarious pleasure beating the old horse. Sosua is useless! I am not going to speculate or write a paper on the "supposed" causes but I sure was hoping Mr. Enternational is going to give Sosua a slip, LOL, . He already has the debonair demeanor so girls throw themselves at him, and for no money, to boot. As for the rest, good riddance: I will have more to choose from, fat and slim, old and young! Viva la Republica Dominican!

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1903590]Like the pendulum, we are back to the usual topic. Summer is here and many do not or cannot get out to the island and so it is vicarious pleasure beating the old horse. Sosua is useless! I am not going to speculate or write a paper on the "supposed" causes but I sure was hoping Mr. Enternational is going to give Sosua a slip, LOL, . He already has the debonair demeanor so girls throw themselves at him, and for no money, to boot. As for the rest, good riddance: I will have more to choose from, fat and slim, old and young! Viva la Republica Dominican![/QUOTE]LOL.

Nothing's quite what it used to be, including my dick.

But I'll make a prediction.

Around December, this board will light up with rave reports, and the usual suspects will be "me too-ing" and trying to top each other's stories :)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1903493]I will return to Sosua because I have a chick in Puerto Plata that I have been seeing for 9 years. Would I plan a trip with the express purpose of going to Sosua is a better question. The answer is No. Actually I have not planned a trip to Sosua for years anyway. I just usually fall through Sosua anywhere from a couple of hours to 2 days max while I am up that way.

Like back during Superbowl weekend I was in Puerto Plata and only went to Sosua on the spur of the moment for a couple of hours to meet up with Revere (I was headed to bed when he called me), who I might add was only going there to take his girl and some of her family members for a night out.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I only go to Sosua because of a) the nightclubs / discos cause I love to hang around such places with the puta dressed pros! LOL,. And After 1 cause sometimes I enjoy staying out until 4 am b) the craziness and interesting things you see on Sosua beach, families and all. C) a couple of real good restaurants like Baileys and decent digs at Casa Cayena (now renamed Sosua sunrise).

As for the chicas, except for 2, all of the chicas I met up wth in about 4 total months of time (last 2 years) have been from Puerto Plata, with a few visiting me from Santiago or even as far as SD or Higuey. Unlike in Pattaya, I have found that FB and the Cupid site works well for me in Pto Pta as I don't care for pros. To each his own approach / methods, and what works, I guess.

I will be back in Oct for 3 weeks, split between Sosua, Pto Pta ( Costambar and Lifestyle) and Cabarete. The point being I still love the Pto Pta area.... I do like the DR girls in this part of the DR.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1904106]Unlike in Pattaya, I have found that FB and the Cupid site works well for me in Pto Pta as I don't care for pros. To each his own approach / methods, and what works, I guess.[/QUOTE]Regarding FB (Facebook), how does that work? Do you simply get on there and look for the profiles of hot chicas living in Puerto Plata and then strike up a conversation? Or are there specific FB pages where chicas are slyly offering their services?

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1903484]Hey Oakie,

Hope you are well, but Sosua is no longer a cheap destination to go to. When I started going almost ten years ago flights to POP were 275 usd round trip. Now I can't find anything less than 650 that doesn't have a layover in Miami and I live in Florida. Also the videos portray Sosua at its best as an exotic wonderland. So I can easily see how these guys can be misled if some of the current things are true. Several dynamics could be in play here Sir.[/QUOTE]There are a few of our regular contributors who seem to be in Sosua denial.

They bad mouth the place but are always somehow there (with an excuse of course) even if it's just to tell us what a shit hole it is, 30 times in two years in some cases. LOL.

First I don't go to places I consider a shit hole, and certainly not the 30 times in 2 years that Mr. E mentions.

I don't find myself in the same resaurant, time after time, badmouthing the food to the other patrons. What's the point?

Then he says he would NEVER plan to go there, (the devil makes him do it ?) :) so I think he has a problem.

Like the addict, drunk, or the gambler, he has no choice in the matter, and always with the excuse to be there.

Sosua, love it or leave it!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1904441]There are a few of our regular contributors who seem to be in Sosua denial.

They bad mouth the place but are always somehow there (with an excuse of course) even if it's just to tell us what a shit hole it is, 30 times in two years in some cases. LOL.

First I don't go to places I consider a shit hole, and certainly not the 30 times in 2 years that Mr. E mentions.

I don't find myself in the same resaurant, time after time, badmouthing the food to the other patrons. What's the point?

Then he says he would NEVER plan to go there, (the devil makes him do it ?) :) so I think he has a problem.

Like the addict, drunk, or the gambler, he has no choice in the matter, and always with the excuse to be there.

Sosua, love it or leave it![/QUOTE]I am not sure what the issue is here. I always stop through Sosua on my way to puerta plata. Sometimes I even stay overnight. I like hanging out there sometimes, but does not mean I have to sample the merchandise if I do not like the quality and I am not stuck there hoping I find the diamond in the rough. I never put myself in that position after travelling all that way, but that is just me. Who cares what I do and think. That happens a lot with me I go to sosua all the time I do not like what I see have fun and keep it moving. The Dominican Republic has beautiful women all over, but you have to move around to see them. I know many people are afraid to drive, but not afraid to be with a women whose job is to sleep with random men everyday. Some people might think that is more risky than driving and meeting a quality girl. Again, to each his own choice. If people do not like what they see why can't they not say what they feel I am never offended what people think and glad they say what they feel. Let men be men do what they want and say what they think. Some.people.might say your crazy beautiful women in sosua then you see his girlfriends and say i understand why is is not happy you do not know a man's taste might be better than yours.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1904441]There are a few of our regular contributors who seem to be in Sosua denial.

They bad mouth the place but are always somehow there (with an excuse of course) even if it's just to tell us what a shit hole it is, [b]30 times in two years in some cases. LOL.[/b]

First I don't go to places I consider a shit hole, and certainly [b]not the 30 times in 2 years that Mr. E mentions.[/b]

Then he says he would NEVER plan to go there, (the devil makes him do it ?) :) so I think he has a problem.

Like the addict, drunk, or the gambler, he has no choice in the matter, and always with the excuse to be there.[/QUOTE]Hehehe. Leave it to old Oakie to poke fun about something he got totally wrong. RIF. Besides not calling Sosua a shithole, I said
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1900858]I have been to Sosua about [b]30 times in the past 10 years[/b] and definitely during each of the months that you have listed, but I have never seen it like it was last night.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1904684]Hehehe. Leave it to old Oakie to poke fun about something he got totally wrong. RIF. Besides not calling Sosua a shithole, I said[/QUOTE]Apologies for misquoting you!

Aside from that if my opinion upsets folks, so be it. Hehee!

Sosua changes.

On July 7th Policia Nacional started enforcing an old rule in Sosua. Businesses that sell alcohol will closed at midnight Monday. Thursday and 2 am on the weekends. It was reported Rumbas closed at midnight and Classicos was dead also. CESTUR was taking chicas who were walking solo in custody, they had to pay from 1500 - 2000 pesos to get released. At 1 am there was almost no traffic on Pedro Clisante.

Kviar in Puerto Plata was ROCKIN!

I was in Kviar (the club next to the casino in Puerto Plata) after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on whatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas hacienda en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ROTFL! The Kviar crew started looking around like WTF is going on here I hope we don't have the Clash of the Titans. LOL!

[QUOTE=Revere;1904658] If people do not like what they see why can't they not say what they feel.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. It is an open forum and all are free to air their thoughts. It is when a visitor (unlike Mr. E who is rather balanced) opines based on a short stay, that the problem arises. Bad days, months, seasons are all part of the game but anyone new reading the circumscribed view of a short stay may misconstrue it as the whole and complete picture, which as you experienced, is not correct.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1904920]
On July 7th Policia Nacional started enforcing an old rule in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Odd choice of words. How about "belatedly started enforcing the law in Sosua"?

Damn, I hope it's temporary, otherwise I have the worst luck. Not that I care about picking up girls past midnight, but I assume this will reduce the number of girls who come to Sosua at all. I'm set to arrive on the 28th.

I will be on the ground soon and will let you guys know how it is working. I am not a late night action guy so shutting down early may help me. Often the best girls come out at 12 when I am shutting down. This could get them out earlier which is a plus for me. I have had to make some tough choices. One of my old girls could only see me on Monday evening in Santiago which would be a strain so I am passing on her.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1904920]Sosua changes.

On July 7th Policia Nacional started enforcing an old rule in Sosua. Businesses that sell alcohol will closed at midnight Monday. Thursday and 2 am on the weekends. It was reported Rumbas closed at midnight and Classicos was dead also. CESTUR was taking chicas who were walking solo in custody, they had to pay from 1500 - 2000 pesos to get released. At 1 am there was almost no traffic on Pedro Clisante.

Kviar in Puerto Plata was ROCKIN!

I was in Kviar (the club next to the casino in Puerto Plata) after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on whatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas hacienda en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ROTFL! The Kviar crew started looking around like WTF is going on here I hope we don't have the Clash of the Titans. LOL![/QUOTE]

The directive as it was sent to businesses that it concerns. Info in the Gogo forum.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1904920]Sosua changes.

On July 7th Policia Nacional started enforcing an old rule in Sosua. Businesses that sell alcohol will closed at midnight Monday. Thursday and 2 am on the weekends. It was reported Rumbas closed at midnight and Classicos was dead also. CESTUR was taking chicas who were walking solo in custody, they had to pay from 1500 - 2000 pesos to get released. At 1 am there was almost no traffic on Pedro Clisante.

Kviar in Puerto Plata was ROCKIN!

I was in Kviar (the club next to the casino in Puerto Plata) after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on wrhatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas hacienda en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ROTFL! The Kviar crew started looking around like WTF is going on here I hope we don't have the Clash of the Titans. LOL![/QUOTE]Smart move wait until after the 4 of July weekend. Don't want to miss that tourist money. Imagine if they had started it in June. Think of the money they would have lost last weekend.

[QUOTE=CharlesPooter;1905016]Odd choice of words. How about "belatedly started enforcing the law in Sosua"?[/QUOTE]I have been away from ISG for quite some time and I forgot how critical some members can be. I realize members have different priorities however, IMHO content should be more important than grammar. In general when reporting my focus is and will be in the future more on information that can help other members than the grammar that is being used.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1905157]I have been away from ISG for quite some time and I forgot how critical some members can be. I realize members have different priorities however, IMHO content should be more important than grammar. In general when reporting my focus is and will be in the future more on information that can help other members than the grammar that is being used.[/QUOTE]Obviously I was not criticizing your grammar, which was impeccable.

I was commenting on your implication that the cops had dug out some dusty and little-known old "rule". Odd for ex-LE to call a law a "rule". This has been the law for at least five years and all bars and clubs are aware of it, and all experienced mongers too. My suggested wording more accurately describes the situation.

[QUOTE=Camaro1257;1904920]

I was in Kviar (the club next to the casino in Puerto Plata) after 1 am and all of a sudden I saw faces from Classicos during the same time I was getting live Sosua updates on whatsapp from friends who were in town. I saw one chic from Classicos and I said "que estas hacienda en mi ciudad?" and she cracked up laughing. ...LOL![/QUOTE]I would crack up laughing too if you approached me and asked "What, are you a country house in my city?

[QUOTE=Frannie;1905174]I would crack up laughing too if you approached me and asked "What, are you a country house in my city?[/QUOTE]You got me on that one. Welcome back to ISG. LOL.

Hey, I've been coming here a number of years and arrived this week after the July 4th holiday so I thought I would add my two cents.

Something weird may be going on regarding the cops but it hasn't affected anything I've noticed. Tuesday night the upstairs Classicos disco didn't have anyone in it--Tuesday, after all--but Wednesday it was full. I left at 2:00 and the streets were quiet but Classicos was going strong. Thursday night in Rumbas around 11:30 a couple dozen girls panicked and ran out the back way, for no reason I could see. The chick I was with stayed close, but nothing happened, and when we left shortly after I saw nothing unusual on the street. I was gone by midnight so I don't know if placed closed then. Different girls told me various rumors, which I won't repeat as I consider them totally unreliable.

I've been having success collecting phone numbers and whatsapps and calling the girls over for afternoon sessions. I had no luck on FB, perhaps because I was trying to convert fresh 18 year-olds to the trade: plenty of, "Hi nice to meet you. Sorry I have a boyfriend / no way."

With one exception, all readily accepted 1500 pesos for an hour or two, and almost all accepted "por la boca sin condom" (I always ask ahead of time). There has been a little bait and switch but no real bullshit. No one asked to be paid upfront, for example.

Some girls are more aggressive than I remember, touchy and grabby, which makes me make sure my money is secure, although I don't really think they are trying to get in my pockets. I'm like a particular type, so I look until I find one. There are a lot of girls of all shapes and sizes, probably twice as many as guys, and it feels like five times as many. I've notice if I leer at a chick across the room, pretty quickly she notices and before long she's swinging her hips next to me. I love this place. There are probably a hundred+ girls dressed up acting sexy, and I can have any one of them for forty bucks. Nice vacation.

[QUOTE=Revere;1904658]I am not sure what the issue is here. I always stop through Sosua on my way to puerta plata. Sometimes I even stay overnight. I like hanging out there sometimes, but does not mean I have to sample the merchandise if I do not like the quality and I am not stuck there hoping I find the diamond in the rough. I never put myself in that position after travelling all that way, but that is just me. Who cares what I do and think. That happens a lot with me I go to sosua all the time I do not like what I see have fun and keep it moving. The Dominican Republic has beautiful women all over, but you have to move around to see them. I know many people are afraid to drive, but not afraid to be with a women whose job is to sleep with random men everyday. Some people might think that is more risky than driving and meeting a quality girl. Again, to each his own choice. If people do not like what they see why can't they not say what they feel I am never offended what people think and glad they say what they feel. Let men be men do what they want and say what they think. Some.people.might say your crazy beautiful women in sosua then you see his girlfriends and say i understand why is is not happy you do not know a man's taste might be better than yours.[/QUOTE]The bottom line is, just like life, YMMV.

There are negative reviews on everything, cars, hotels, resaurants, marriage. In spite of these negative reviews the popular places persist and thrive, cars are sold, and folks still spend a fortune trying to find a life mate.

Please don't fall for the illusion that a half a dozen jaded losers who write and biatch and complain here regularly, are the ultimate judge and jury on Sosua.

The DR welcomed 4.7 million tourists last year. While they are all not sexual tourists I can tell you from my experience that most who are, don't post reports on a public mongering board.

Most of us look forward to a guaranteed good time down there (9 years and counting -I can't wait!) and enjoy their vacation like PReeman69 above, and others will waste their money, by not getting what they want!

That's life!

[QUOTE=Sammon;1900867]Tuesday is a bad day. Generally Thursday to Sunday is the busiest. Monday is not bad either. Chicas know mongers come between Thursday and Monday. Unlike other destinations in the world Sosua is a weekend destination for many from east coast of USA.

Unless you have a regular novio or enjoying all inclusive resort nobody stay whole week.

All the pretty girls come only on weekends. They will not make good money other times. Slow season or not weekends are busy all year around in my experience. Only problem is summertime is too hot. Air conditioning in Sosua hotels as well as clubs are not very efficient.[/QUOTE]Best, shortest, most useful take on Sosua I've seen!

Selling pussy in Sosua is not an easy job. The competition is fierce. So the girls dress and act in ways to attract us old farts. On the 10 or more trips I have made have I not seen more attractive women then I could handle. I have always lamented that I had to turn down so many attractive girls. Girls I would have killed for back hoe I am telling may be later. I have been in Classicos and almost ODed on so many 8's and above. High and low season. I will be there next week and will have a ball.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905439]Best, shortest, most useful take on Sosua I've seen![/QUOTE]

I hear that, in addition, Rhumba and Rancho Tipico are closed.

I guess this is the usual cycle that we have to deal with.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;1905148]Smart move wait until after the 4 of July weekend. Don't want to miss that tourist money. Imagine if they had started it in June. Think of the money they would have lost last weekend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shockman;1905496]I hear that, in addition, Rhumba and Rancho Tipico are closed.

I guess this is the usual cycle that we have to deal with.[/QUOTE]Rhumba closed?

Say it isn't so!

I don't frequent the place, but it is one of the remaining two main venues for our chica hotties. Like a giant corral.

Just talked to my source on the ground from this board and he confirms Rumbas is closed. D' Latins is rumored to re-open. Classicos was strong last night. He also heard a rumor that police were going to be checking guys cell phones for unauthorized pictures.

Yes it is. Rumba bar, Rancho tipico, Bar las Flores and Bermuda bar were closed by the Police because they don, t have the license to operate:

De Noticias POP:
Sosua. -Tres discotecas fueron clausuradas anoche por falta de licencia de operaciand mediante un operativo realizado en la calle Pedro Clisante del municipio de Sosa, dirigido por el Ministerio Publico, Turismo, Cestur why polica nacional.

Las autoridades se presentaron a la 1:45 de la madrugada why procedieron a clausurar LOS las discotecas Bermuda Bar, BAR las Flores, Rancho Tipico Sosa why Rumba Bar.

They are about to turn the lights off in that mf. I bet now y'all are wishing that you had learned Spanish and diversified.

Bet big money it will be open by next week if not tonight. Money talks and that place makes money.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1905548]Yes it is. Rumba bar, Rancho tipico, Bar las Flores and Bermuda bar were closed by the Police because they don, t have the license to operate:

De Noticias POP:
Sosua. -Tres discotecas fueron clausuradas anoche por falta de licencia de operaciand mediante un operativo realizado en la calle Pedro Clisante del municipio de Sosa, dirigido por el Ministerio Publico, Turismo, Cestur why polica nacional.

Las autoridades se presentaron a la 1:45 de la madrugada why procedieron a clausurar LOS las discotecas Bermuda Bar, BAR las Flores, Rancho Tipico Sosa why Rumba Bar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1905556]They are about to turn the lights off in that mf. I bet now y'all are wishing that you had learned Spanish and diversified.[/QUOTE]
"Round up the usual suspects"

We'll all be back, (and so will you!)

Rent the movie, "Casablanca".

It's 60 years or so old, but it might give you a clue on how these places operate :)

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905567]We'll all be back, (and so will you!)

Rent the movie, "Casablanca".

It's 60 years or so old, but it might give you a clue on how these places operate :)[/QUOTE]Same things were said about Help Disco, Balcony Bar, and Meia Pataca in Rio. Them shits have been gone forever, yet every week someone comes on ISG asking if they have reopened yet.

And might I add La Passion and D'Latin in Sosua as well.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1905572]Same things were said about Help Disco, Balcony Bar, and Meia Pataca in Rio. Them shits have been gone forever, yet every week someone comes on ISG asking if they have reopened yet.

And might I add La Passion and D'Latin in Sosua as well.[/QUOTE]The more things change, the more things stay the same.

I just booked my trip, If I'm the last guy to monger down there, I'll turn off the lights for ya!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905588]I just booked my trip, If I'm the last guy to monger down there, I'll turn off the lights for ya![/QUOTE]Jajaja! This fresh brouhaha is funny as usual, as it was revealing to know a major hallmark like Rumba was operating without a license and it is nowhere near Morocco. The good news is that in Sosua, one does not need a Rumba or any of the other spots. There are plenty walking around even during the day time that would be happy to do the deed, even with those hapless without Spanish. Besides if Rumba is gone, can "ay caramba" be far behind to take its place?

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1905548]Yes it is. Rumba bar, Rancho tipico, Bar las Flores and Bermuda bar were closed by the Police because they don, t have the license to operate[/QUOTE]Sounds like a shakedown to me. The ones who don't have the money to pay the "License to operate" will remain closed.

What was the name of the place that the Vice Mayor of Sosua (Willie) owned?

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905614]Sounds like a shakedown to me. The ones who don't have the money to pay the "License to operate" will remain closed.

What was the name of the place that the Vice Mayor of Sosua (Willie) owned?[/QUOTE]I don't think Willy owned the'Latin. He just had a hand in it. But if it was about a shakedown, whose palm was he supposed to be greasing seeing that he was one of the top dogs in the city?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1905622]I don't think Willy owned the'Latin. He just had a hand in it. But if it was about a shakedown, whose palm was he supposed to be greasing seeing that he was one of the top dogs in the city?[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's what I was asking. I thought he was the owner and was wondering how is club could get shut down being that he was one of the top officials in Sosua.

My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1905668]Yeah, that's what I was asking. I thought he was the owner and was wondering how is club could get shut down being that he was one of the top officials in Sosua.[/QUOTE]Willy was the manager of Latinos back in the day but the older Canadian owner passed and his sons didn't want the club. Willy disappeared for a little but came back strong with new investors and opened the'Latins. I was with someone (I think it was Mr E and his brother) and I walked in the'Latins and Willy spoke to me and told me he just paid one million dollars for Classicos and Merengue. The next night Willy had this short black bodyguard in a suit shadowing him as he went across the street and met with Armondo. Willy would later interchange security between the two clubs. In my next trip Willy was now at Merengue as the'Latins was now a dark closed big albatross.

Willy had a falling out with Mayor Newman and decided to run against her in the 2016 election. Willy campaigned hard and lost by 2 percent. People were pissed and some viewed the election as a direction that Sosua would follow. Willy was for the Sosua that we love and know. The street people and club owners campaigned hard for him. Mayor Newman was against everything we loved about Sosua. If you read my post from last week I said " The smart girls were probably laying low awaiting the fallout from the election". Well now we see the fallout. Is it temporary? Time will tell, but someone also posted last week that the families were taking over Sosua earlier in the week before the weekend wolf packs arrive. What better way to send a message to the weekend boys than to close Rumbas and three other clubs while also restricting the operational hours?

I'm hearing the hotels can't continue to survive with only capacity Friday's and Saturdays and 40 percent or less the other days. Same with the beach owners. The expensive airfares could also be in play, Sosua is no longer a vacation place for us but a weekend party place or a drop in spot for explorers. I know only two veterans from this board who stay in Sosua longer than the weekend and that's Tomjackin and Chief Justice but they come from the west coast of America so I understand. Plus they love the beach.

It's funny, but I was telling BQ Ribs last week that I remember the days (2007-2009) when girls would fuck you, make your bed and straighten your room, then sit politely waiting to see if you wanted to spend time with them or if you were going to pay them to leave. How did we fuck that up LOL?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1905613]Jajaja! This fresh brouhaha is funny as usual, as it was revealing to know a major hallmark like Rumba was operating without a license and it is nowhere near Morocco. The good news is that in Sosua, one does not need a Rumba or any of the other spots. There are plenty walking around even during the day time that would be happy to do the deed, even with those hapless without Spanish. Besides if Rumba is gone, can "ay caramba" be far behind to take its place?[/QUOTE]No brouhaha!

I'm probably the Number One fan of Sosua.

In 9 years and some scores of trips, I've never posted a bad review, because I've never had a bad vacation. I've had a regular novia down there for exactly the same amount of time, (I met her on my first night) although I sometimes get down there a few days early without telling her.

If I stay away from our mutual haunts I sometimes can get a couple days of mongering in before she finds out through our friends that I am in town and jumps on the bus, with that crazy bag that contains a week's supply of day clothes, and evening wear fit for any occasion.

She knows where I'll be, and although I act like I'm trying to avoid her, she knows I'm honestly happy to see her happy, smiling, and enthusiastic face, and whoever I'm temporarily with gets the boot. One thing we have never done is put anyone else first, and it keeps the fantasy going.

We have traveled all over the Island together and stayed in some pretty crude places together, and there's no one I'd rather travel with. I know her friends and her extended family well, and she has shown me the real DR. (Incidentally we have a great understanding, I honestly haven't sent her a cent in the last year).

I just booked my next trip with the one guy I would go down there with. We already have some hot chicas lined up, and I may get to try a couple new ones in before the novia shows up. But the truth is mongering gets stale for me after a couple of days, then I need something more fulfilling. Enter Princessa Novia.

So I have got it all figured out, not only for me, but for my buddy too, guaranteed.

From her side, she gets a week's holiday with me, two modest shopping trips, Playera and La Sirena, and whatever is left over in my wallet from my budget at the airport.

So pardon me if I get a little impatient here, with losers who can't enjoy Sosua for what it is, yet insist on telling me how I am all fucked up! LOL.

I can "communicate", thank you, I have "diversified" thank you, and I spend as much time "outside" of Sosua as in it, thank you. I'm not a WU Novio, thank you! Don't need Classico, don't need Rhumba, don't need zombie street hoes. Don't need Viagra. Thank you all!

I don't need to change a thing, but don't let the door hit you when y'all "move on". LOL.

My purpose here is simply to let newbies know what is possible, as a few of the more positive vets here did for me when I was new. It really did change my life.

It's called giving back.

[QUOTE=IAmGine;1905669]My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.[/QUOTE]Where does Sosua fit into your plans? Blackbeard's is on the other side of Puerto Plata from Sosua. As for finding women, just step outside of your deluxe room, go down to the pool and there they are.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1905684]

Willy had a falling out with Mayor Newman and decided to run against her in the 2016 election. Willy campaigned hard and lost by 2 percent. People were pissed and some viewed the election as a direction that Sosua would follow. Willy was for the Sosua that we love and know. The street people and club owners campaigned hard for him. Mayor Newman was against everything we loved about Sosua. If you read my post from last week I said " The smart girls were probably laying low awaiting the fallout from the election". Well now we see the fallout. Is it temporary? Time will tell, but someone also posted last week that the families were taking over Sosua earlier in the week before the weekend wolf packs arrive. What better way to send a message to the weekend boys than to close Rumbas and three other clubs while also restricting the operational hours?

[/QUOTE]Thanks for the backstory on this Gogo. I was actually wondering what had happened to Willy (for some reason I thought he ended up being the Mayor).

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905744]No brouhaha!

I'm probably the Number One fan of Sosua.

In 9 years and some scores of trips, I've never posted a bad review, because I've never had a bad vacation. I've had a regular novia down there for exactly the same amount of time, (I met her on my first night) although I sometimes get down there a few days early without telling her.

If I stay away from our mutual haunts I sometimes can get a couple days of mongering in before she finds out through our friends that I am in town and jumps on the bus, with that crazy bag that contains a week's supply of day clothes, and evening wear fit for any occasion.

She knows where I'll be, and although I act like I'm trying to avoid her, she knows I'm honestly happy to see her happy, smiling, and enthusiastic face, and whoever I'm temporarily with gets the boot. One thing we have never done is put anyone else first, and it keeps the fantasy going.

We have traveled all over the Island together and stayed in some pretty crude places together, and there's no one I'd rather travel with. I know her friends and her extended family well, and she has shown me the real DR. (Incidentally we have a great understanding, I honestly haven't sent her a cent in the last year)..[/QUOTE]Mr. Oakie,

That is some straight man in the arena talk. Tell them brother. Stay positive. We both know who doesn't count. I relate to your desire to fornicate without debate.

Spoke to one of haitian sweeties who says on Friday night Sosua was dead. Everyone was in Caberette.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1905784]Spoke to one of haitian sweeties who says on Friday night Sosua was dead. Everyone was in Caberette.[/QUOTE]Was so many hot ones last night and 200+tonight, everything so good many many 8-9's then just now police come arrest all the girls, crazy, first one to tell it just happened now!

[QUOTE=OldKool;1905784]Spoke to one of haitian sweeties who says on Friday night Sosua was dead. Everyone was in Caberette.[/QUOTE]Cabarete jam in all weekend. 3:32 am Gun shots fired on main strip, 20-25 rounds, I'm on balcony now trying to figure out if any body hurt, police just went speeding by!

[QUOTE=IAmGine;1905669]My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.[/QUOTE]I agree with the other post that if you are staying at BB, girls will not be your problem. Since you have been to their website to reserve rooms, suggest you sign up for their newsletter to get a better idea of the operation. There are usually more than a dozen there in two different shifts, waiting to get a client's attention.

Buses from Puerto Plata to Santiago are indeed cheap. Your only expense will be getting from BB to the POP bus station. The cabbies in Costambar are notorious price gougers.

Not sure what your arrival transportation is, but if a cabbie sent by BB, ask about the fare from BB to the POP bus station.

The process will be repeated in Santiago, so allow plenty of travel time for your appointments. The Caribe Tours bus schedules are available online.

It will probably take several days to get bored with easily accessible sex with a variety of women, but it will happen eventually. There is a small beach in Costambar, just 5 minutes walk from BB. Very quiet during the week, good place to rent a lounger, buy a beer, smoke a cigar in the shade, and watch the sea. You can split cab fare with your buddy to go to Puerto Plata. The Malecon, or seaside promenade is nothing special, but on the west side, there is a reconstructed Spanish fort from about the 16th century. There is often a local guide there, for just a dollar or two. At the hotel, ask about some of the activities available in cooperation with other ventures. Ask about the cable car just outside Puerto Plata. On some of these trips, consider inviting one of the girls whose company you particularly enjoy, to accompany you as your guide. Makes things easier sometimes, since they know the ropes, etc.
Oh, and since you seem to be totally new to this, the best place to change dollars is at Jenny's the small grocery just inside the gates of Costambar. As your cab enters, it will be on your right. Can't miss it. The pharmacy across the street sells the Dominican version of Cialis, called La Pela at very low prices.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905744]
So pardon me if I get a little impatient here, with losers who can't enjoy Sosua for what it is, yet insist on telling me how I am all fucked up! LOL.

I can "communicate", thank you, I have "diversified" thank you, and I spend as much time "outside" of Sosua as in it, thank you. I'm not a WU Novio, thank you! Don't need Classico, don't need Rhumba, don't need zombie street hoes. Don't need Viagra. Thank you all!

I don't need to change a thing, but don't let the door hit you when y'all "move on". LOL.

My purpose here is simply to let newbies know what is possible, as a few of the more positive vets here did for me when I was new. It really did change my life.

It's called giving back.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. For many people Sosua has offered wonderful experiences over the years. If you are a middle aged man, exactly how many resort places are there that you can go on your own make new friends and lovers, eat well, experience a foreign culture, mostly good weather, get affordable dental or medical treatment, and have a great time with attractive young women positively seeking out your company, especially in the US?

I think that is why those of us who have been around Sosua over the years, or lived in the area, get rather critical of people who show up and instantly denounce the place and say that they are on the next flight out, and feel deceived by the good reports of Sosua that they have read online and give simplistic reasons like "all the women I saw were fat" without really revealing anything more about why they traveled to Sosua, what they expected to find, how much effort they made to locate non-fat women, and so on.

The other elephant in the room that is rarely discussed here is how attractive to women those potential mongers were in the first place. The truth is that if you were were reasonably successful as an amateur, you will probably have more success with pros, but if you were a complete failure in your amateur career, there might be something about you that is unattractive to women.

Having said that, I will also say that mongering is something that quickly gets old after a few trips, and that one has to move on and branch out, as Oakie says. Quite frankly I personally do not find the vast majority of women hanging out in Sosua attractive, but I have never found it hard to find one or two that I would like to get to know better--and really that is all you need.

Rumbas has been closed the last two nights, as others reported, and the girls can't stand out on the street. Previously there would be about 50 girls lining the sidewalks all night long. Classicos disco was full last night, and downstairs was pretty full. A couple of the girls I know went to Cabarete, but others stayed in Sosua and they said they had no trouble from the police to go into a bar. Classicos did seem to have a lot more guys last night (Saturday), and the girls wanted more. (one home-looking one demanded 200 US, WTF? I pulled a cutie for 1500, though, with no complaints. This morning two phone / whatsapp girls I contacted for afternoon sessions turned down 1500, wanting 3000. Maybe there is the weekend bump in prices.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1905757]Where does Sosua fit into your plans? Blackbeard's is on the other side of Puerto Plata from Sosua. As for finding women, just step outside of your deluxe room, go down to the pool and there they are.[/QUOTE]I do not know where it fits in, I guess it doesn't I was just looking for any information since I would be close. Maybe there is a place in Sosua that's worth the taxi ride. But maybe not then.

[QUOTE=RacShack;1905800]Was so many hot ones last night and 200+tonight, everything so good many many 8-9's then just now police come arrest all the girls, crazy, first one to tell it just happened now![/QUOTE]So they arrested 200+ girls on Saturday night? If that is true, that is pretty amazing news!

http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html

This is a link that appears to be a report of this incident, but the report is undated.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1905960]I think that is why those of us who have been around Sosua over the years, or lived in the area, get rather critical of people who show up and instantly denounce the place and say that they are on the next flight out, and feel deceived by the good reports of Sosua that they have read online and give simplistic reasons like "all the women I saw were fat" without really revealing anything more about why they traveled to Sosua, what they expected to find, how much effort they made to locate non-fat women, and so on.[/QUOTE]So, you are critical of people who travel to Sosua and then file a trip report expressing an unfavorable opinion of the place because personally you like it. Didn't you write that you don't find the women of Sosua to be attractive? I personally appreciate having the opportunity read a diversity of reviews about a place. Nothing in this life is all good or all bad. The Kia owner does not have to be critical of the BMW owner because the BMW owner test drove a Kia and didn't like it.

I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.

I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.

My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.

I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.

PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905744]No brouhaha!

I'm probably the Number One fan of Sosua.

In 9 years and some scores of trips, I've never posted a bad review, because I've never had a bad vacation. I've had a regular novia down there for exactly the same amount of time, (I met her on my first night) although I sometimes get down there a few days early without telling her.

If I stay away from our mutual haunts I sometimes can get a couple days of mongering in before she finds out through our friends that I am in town and jumps on the bus, with that crazy bag that contains a week's supply of day clothes, and evening wear fit for any occasion.

She knows where I'll be, and although I act like I'm trying to avoid her, she knows I'm honestly happy to see her happy, smiling, and enthusiastic face, and whoever I'm temporarily with gets the boot. One thing we have never done is put anyone else first, and it keeps the fantasy going.

We have traveled all over the Island together and stayed in some pretty crude places together, and there's no one I'd rather travel with. I know her friends and her extended family well, and she has shown me the real DR. (Incidentally we have a great understanding, I honestly haven't sent her a cent in the last year)..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Shockman;1905996]I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.

I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.

My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.

I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.

PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?[/QUOTE]Exactamente amigo, when there get a DR phone and the chicas will come to you. Also using wassap on your American phone can keep you in contact with girls who are mobile. I have two guys on the scene from this board reporting to me on the back channels and both talk about the crackdown in effect but they are still having a ball. To quote one guy "The girls are hungry".

Also here is a report about the crackdown:

Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic. -Justice minister Francisco Dominguez on Tuesday said his prosecutors and other authorities decidedly confront the prostitution affecting the North Coast, especially Sosua township.

He said the authorities have a new strategy to deal with prostitution involving Dominicans and foreigners in Sosúa, in coordination with the Tourism and Interior and Police ministries.

Dominguez said over several months Sosúa business leaders and representatives from social organizations have expressed concern about the increasing presence of sex workers on the streets of the town, so much so that it has affected family tourism in the entire North Coast.

The official said several businesses have shuttered in Sosúa during his tenure but acknowledged that this practice remains latent in the streets, despite the efforts.

[QUOTE=Shockman;1905996]I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.

I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.

My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.

I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.

PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?[/QUOTE]Is there a link to the 200 arrest story? Who and why?

[QUOTE=Oakie;1905744]No brouhaha! [/QUOTE]I was referring to the latest closures in Sosua.

Unlike you, I have no fixed party in the DR but the whole island is a great play ground. That said, there is certainly something to be said for people you have built a relationship with and who like the idea of seeing you again and the sex is typically way superior. This stands in sharp contrast to the Sosua overnight pick ups.

Personally, and I have stated this unabashedly over my time here, I have loved Sosua (and the DR) since my first trip and though I have not picked up anyone from the bars in the last several years, and so do not care about the bars at all, I enjoy the place, the food in particular and the "let your hair down, all women are approachable" ambiance.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1905986]So they arrested 200+ girls on Saturday night? If that is true, that is pretty amazing news!

http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html

This is a link that appears to be a report of this incident, but the report is undated.[/QUOTE]Sorry not all the girls, I seen at least 15-20 taken away, but ruined the party, seen much much girls went running away, that was like 1 am then around 3 am multi-able rounds of gun fire on main road when people leaving beach.

For most part was enough girls around all week to make for good time.

[QUOTE=Shockman;1905996]I agree that this is not anything to get agitated about. As has been commented, it does not take much to cultivate contacts and not rely solely on the strip.

I've actually quite enjoyed previous instances, and there of been many, of "crackdowns" which tend to fizzle out because it tilts the market in my favor.

My only concern is the rumor reported by Mr. Gogo, whom I know and trust, that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.

I just returned from an awesome 3 week trip and do not intend to let this affect future plans.

PS: Damn, just saw Racshack's post about 200 arrests........ not seen that scale of crackdown either, However, since prostitution is legal, it should not affect my ability to call a chica to my hotel room, right?[/QUOTE]Their was at least 200 girls around last night, not all girls were arrested, but they did grad a bunch, and as result many many girls went running, it ruined the good party seen that was happening, could not believe how many hot chicks were here last night!

[QUOTE=MrGogo;1905541]He also heard a rumor that police were going to be checking guys cell phones for unauthorized pictures.[/QUOTE]I can't see how the authorities would even pull this off. They literally would have to be stopping guys in the street and patting them down to see if they have a cell phone on them, and them ask them to unlock their phone, and navigate to their photo albums. I doubt most of the Police know how to operate most of the variations of smart phone out there.

What would they do if someone decided to not unlock their phone for them, play dumb and say "I just bought this phone and do not know how everything works", or simply told them to "fuck off"? Are they going to throw them in jail?

I would chalk this one up to just a very bad rumor that your friend heard.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906031]I can't see how the authorities would even pull this off. They literally would have to be stopping guys in the street and patting them down to see if they have a cell phone on them, and them ask them to unlock their phone, and navigate to their photo albums. I doubt most of the Police know how to operate most of the variations of smart phone out there. What would they do if someone decided to play dumb and say "I just bought this phone and do not know how everything works", or simply told them to "fuck off". Are they going to throw them in jail?

I would chalk this one up to just a very bad rumor that your friend heard.[/QUOTE]They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.

[QUOTE=Shockman;1905996]My only concern is the rumor reported that monger phones will be checked, which would be crossing a line that has never, to my knowledge, been crossed before.[/QUOTE]As a practical matter how are the police going to check your phone if you keep it locked. Are they going to ask you to give them the code? On what basis? If you refuse to give them the code are they going to seize your phone? Or will they arrest you for failing to follow a lawful police order? Even if that happens your phone is still locked. From a simple public relations standpoint, it wouldn't be a very good policy. And this entire push is about public relations and a desire to reallocate capital and change the flow of income. I don't see how the police could institute such a policy if you were not doing anything illegal to begin with. And prostitution is still legal in the Dominican Republic.

Everyone interested in continuing to do business will find a work around. Things are just in transition right now. There is probably enough business to support a smart phone app focusing on Sosua hooks ups. LOL!

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906039]They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.[/QUOTE]I would say the main difference is Dominican Citizen vs. Tourists. From most of what I've learned about the DR over the years, it seems like they have no problem shitting on their own people (like throwing chicas in jail for no reason). Most guys travel there in packs. If a group of 10 guys decided they are not going to show the police their cell phone, I'm going to safely say they are not taking all of them to jail.

If EVERY guy in Sosua decided they are not going to show the Police their cell phones, that's a hell of a lot of guys getting put in jail. That's going to bring a lot of unwanted attention, especially for a place heavily dependent on tourism. All it will take is for a few guys who are not there for sex tourism getting thrown in jail by the police and it turns out they are well connected on the island and back in their home country for heads to start to roll.

Normally I agree with you Mani, but on this one I will call BS. But if and when the first story pops up here about it happening, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906039]They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.[/QUOTE]Not without consequences. Put a chica in jail who do they have to answer too. But throw a foreigner in jail somebody from the embassy of the case are at least going to check on them. Throw enough of them in jail it will make it onto the web and eventually a major news outlet will report on it. Besides you can get yourself out of that situation very easily if you handle yourself correctly. A chica has no form of back up whatsoever. But the rumor is every single one of them can get out of jail with a 1500 DOP bribe (ahem, I meant to say fine).

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906039]They throw dozens of chicas in jail every night for no reason whatsoever, what is stopping them for doing the same thing to a gringo that refuses to "cooperate" with them, I could see it happening.[/QUOTE]What stops them is money. They might try it for a few days, but it won't last. After dealing with a few belligerent tourists, the police will decide they aren't getting paid enough for this crap. Arresting the chicas is one thing, they can at least expect to get something out of it, but I doubt if that will last. Sosua needs the tourist dollars. Take away the star attraction and the dollars fly away.

[QUOTE=IAmGine;1905669]My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do and where to go? I'll be there from the 17th to 27th. I am there also for Dental work in Santiago. I plan to use the bus system for the 2 trips back and forth to the dentist in Santiago, I was told by the dentist that it was very cheap compared to a taxi. I heard they have Uber now? True? Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.[/QUOTE]Just a piece of advice, don't eat pussy or kiss the girls after the implant operation.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1906066]Arresting the chicas is one thing, they can at least expect to get something out of it[/QUOTE]I think this is not talked about enough: motive. I think it is safe to assume that if you are an underpaid Police officer in Sosua and you have the power to arrest a bunch of chicas and tell them "Your get out of jail free card tonight is sucking and fucking", you might be inclined to exercise that power, no?

You don't think it bothers these guys to see the Weekend Baller crews dropping a month's worth of a Policeman's salary on some fine ass in one weekend? Some of them have families to feed and would never be able to pay 2000-3000 pesos for some prime ass. Why not blackmail chicas by locking them up and making them pay with their ass to be set free? You'd go home with your balls drained every night as long as you caught some chicas slipping.

Another reason why, during my last trip to Sosua in 2012, you NEVER EVER EVER saw any of the dime chicas (8's, 9's, 10's) strolling the strip at night. When I was standing in line at Classicos, all of those bad-ass top-notch-looking chicas took a moto right up to the front door of the place. They were not risking getting arrested and blackmailed by the cops.

All those nasty, unattractive, "fat" chicas you see guys here complaining about that they see strolling the strip have nothing to lose. They may make some money, or they may not. If they get locked up and have to fuck in order to be set free, then that's the chance they take trying to earn some pesos.

Those 8's, 9's, and 10's know they will make their money and then some just in a couple of hours in Classicos. They don't need to spend all evening strolling the strip.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;1906066]What stops them is money. They might try it for a few days, but it won't last. After dealing with a few belligerent tourists, the police will decide they aren't getting paid enough for this crap. Arresting the chicas is one thing, they can at least expect to get something out of it, but I doubt if that will last. Sosua needs the tourist dollars. Take away the star attraction and the dollars fly away.[/QUOTE]Even if they are checking phones, what can they possibly charge you with. I don't think it's illegal to have any kind of nude pics or pictures.

Of guys and girls messing around as long as they are adults. Now if someone's thing is minors then he or she deserves to be locked up.

And the key thrown away, that's just wrong!

Just my 2 cents; stay safe everyone.

This happened two weeks ago when a few guys were arrested filming a fully clothed model in Sosua. Not trying to scare folks just reporting the news.

Sosúa, Puerto Plata -. They were arrested by the National Police a group of tourists who allegedly recorded one xxx film in that municipality.

The incident occurred Thursday afternoon when a group of African Americans to take pictures of a beautiful model hanging in the rubble of the old restaurant located in the area Rocca Batey, Sosúa.

Although it was not naked exhibited his skills while cameramen doing their job. Many onlookers filled the street corner Pedro Clisante. Including children, a situation that drew the attention of a patrol of the National Police.

All were arrested and are expected to know if they had permits the Mayor and the Dom.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1905991]So, you are critical of people who travel to Sosua and then file a trip report expressing an unfavorable opinion of the place because personally you like it. Didn't you write that you don't find the women of Sosua to be attractive? I personally appreciate having the opportunity read a diversity of reviews about a place. Nothing in this life is all good or all bad. The Kia owner does not have to be critical of the BMW owner because the BMW owner test drove a Kia and didn't like it.[/QUOTE]No I didn't write that I don't find the women of Sosua to be attractive, I said that I don't find the vast majority of the girls attractive, but that I have always been able to find one or two that I was sufficiently attracted to, which is all that one needs. RTFF, please.

I don't mind if people write negative reports on Sosua if the report is reasoned and objective, and provides examples of what the person didn't like and why. For example if you say "I have a bit of a fetish for really skinny girls, and when I did eventually find one I liked the look of, her personality was dull and her performance in bed was hopeless. All the rest of the girls I saw were too fat to sexually excite me, so I decided I might as well spend my money on a ticket change rather than spend it on girls who had no appeal to me, and thus cut my losses on hotel bills and paid vacation time", this would at least send out a warning to those who shared your tastes.

BTW, a comparison of a BMW and a Kia does not seem very relevant, because a BMW is an expensive luxury high performance German car, and a Kia is about the cheapest brand of car you can buy, so it isn't just a question of personal taste, as most people would prefer a BMW over a Kia if the price was the same.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906080]I think this is not talked about enough: motive. I think it is safe to assume that if you are an underpaid Police officer in Sosua and you have the power to arrest a bunch of chicas and tell them "Your get out of jail free card tonight is sucking and fucking", you might be inclined to exercise that power, no?

You don't think it bothers these guys to see the Weekend Baller crews dropping a month's worth of a Policeman's salary on some fine ass in one weekend? Some of them have families to feed and would never be able to pay 2000-3000 pesos for some prime ass. Why not blackmail chicas by locking them up and making them pay with their ass to be set free? You'd go home with your balls drained every night as long as you caught some chicas slipping.

Another reason why, during my last trip to Sosua in 2012, you NEVER EVER EVER saw any of the dime chicas (8's, 9's, 10's) strolling the strip at night. When I was standing in line at Classicos, all of those bad-ass top-notch-looking chicas took a moto right up to the front door of the place. They were not risking getting arrested and blackmailed by the cops.

All those nasty, unattractive, "fat" chicas you see guys here complaining about that they see strolling the strip have nothing to lose. They may make some money, or they may not. If they get locked up and have to fuck in order to be set free, then that's the chance they take trying to earn some pesos.

Those 8's, 9's, and 10's know they will make their money and then some just in a couple of hours in Classicos. They don't need to spend all evening strolling the strip.[/QUOTE]Don't you think large scale arrests would have to be approved ahead of time by the hierarchy, due to the amount of resources needed?

[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1906013]I was referring to the latest closures in Sosua.

Unlike you, I have no fixed party in the DR but the whole island is a great play ground. That said, there is certainly something to be said for people you have built a relationship with and who like the idea of seeing you again and the sex is typically way superior. This stands in sharp contrast to the Sosua overnight pick ups.

Personally, and I have stated this unabashedly over my time here, I have loved Sosua (and the DR) since my first trip and though I have not picked up anyone from the bars in the last several years, and so do not care about the bars at all, I enjoy the place, the food in particular and the "let your hair down, all women are approachable" ambiance.[/QUOTE]Makes for interesting conversation, we all care about our favorite bar, hotel, restaurant or the main venues that attract the chicas.

But the stuff that goes on is petty politics. A show of the flag to placate some of the more demanding citizens who don't make a living off prostitution. I've seen the on again and off again crackdowns on covering the bar windows, chicas entering a bar alone, strolling alone, not wearing a moto helmet, and the monthly round up of hookers, especially the Haitians. Bars are closed and then re-opened as if nothing happened.

Fact is Sosua runs on prostitution, and without it, it would be just another La Union, Abajo or Charamichos barrio.

The folks who really run Sosua won't let all that dinero disappear.

If they really wanted change they could simply declare Sosua a "Re-development Zone", and pass a bylaw against prostitution. Throw a couple mongers in jail and Bingo! Cuba here we come!

So relax, we'll all be having this conversation again next year like we had it last year, and the year before.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1906109]Don't you think large scale arrests would have to be approved ahead of time by the hierarchy, due to the amount of resources needed?[/QUOTE]Well, they only need a handful, nothing large scale. RacShack came back and clarified his original post. They didn't arrest 200 chicas:

[QUOTE=RacShack;1906024]Sorry not all the girls, I seen at least 15-20 taken away, but ruined the party, seen much much girls went running away[/QUOTE]

And define "approved by the hierarchy". The police chief? I have no doubt the top dog is in on it as well. If he's getting some jailed ass too, then he'll approve all the resources they need, lmao!

Just imagine an African Warlord patiently awaiting the "tribute" his soldiers are bringing back to him as a result of the "spoils of war". This is a 3rd World Country we are talking about, so it's not a far stretch to make the comparison.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1906102]BTW, a comparison of a BMW and a Kia does not seem very relevant, because a BMW is an expensive luxury high performance German car, and a Kia is about the cheapest brand of car you can buy, so it isn't just a question of personal taste, as most people would prefer a BMW over a Kia if the price was the same.[/QUOTE]If that's how you see it. But it actually takes a higher skill level to drive a BMW and certain drivers do not posses that skill set.

But when it comes to women, each and everyone of us has our own personal tastes. And some writers report that the women of Sosua do not meet their personal tastes. When an individual posts a critical report, it's not solely up to you do decide if the report meets your quality criteria. Nor does it invalidate the validity of the report or that particular individuals observations. Others in the forum might find something useful within it, even if the information is critical of Sosua. It may not stop other people from visiting but it may allow that person to avoid the item the other writer found unpleasant.

BTW, I do RTFF. Which is why I know most of your reports are highly critical in general. You are not just critical of those who post negative reports about Sosua. I remember making a positive post about Sosua. And you still had something critical to say about my report.

[QUOTE=IAmGine;1905669]My friend and I are staying at Blackbeards (2 deluxe rooms), it seemed an easy safe place for a couple noobs like us. ... Any experienced mongers that can offer advice in finding sweet little senoritas to comfort my pains will be very appreciated.[/QUOTE]I agree that Blackbeards is a good place for a first trip but do not understand your closing sentence. The whole point of staying at Blackbeards is that you have chicas instantly available onsite. You will be paying a small premium for your rooms, food and drink in exchange for this facility. There will be more than enough chicas for you and your friend for nine nights.

There are plenty of options for outings. Taxis are expensive but at least there are two of you to share. If you want a cheaper option, take a moto to the entrance gate of Costambar and catch the JC publico (public shared taxi) from there into Puerto Plata. For comfort, you and your friend could buy four seats so you have the whole back seat to yourself for about US $4. A private taxi from Blackbeards is about US $15. Once in Puerto Plata it is cheap and easy to get to anywhere else such as Sosua or Cabarete. But you need to get back to Blackbeards before dark if using the JC service It is like Cinderella's pumpkin coach. It vanishes after a certain hour. But that is OK as it is the daytime when you will feel the need to take a break away from campus.

I am not sure what sort of dental treatment you are undertaking. If it is radical, you may not feel up to partying every day when you are not being treated. If it is comparatively minor, it seems hardly worth going to Santiago. There are many very competent specialists in Puerto Plata, such as the one I recommended. If you are having your face seriously re-arranged, then I agree Santiago would be the safest option, but you may not want to do much muff-diving while the work is ongoing.

If you have a local phone I would be pleased to meet you in Puerto Plata during the daytime and show you a few places, if this is set up in advance. I live there.

By the way, is your friend having treatment too. If not, what will he be up to while you are in Santiago? He won't want to waste two days out of a nine day trip.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1905986]So they arrested 200+ girls on Saturday night? If that is true, that is pretty amazing news!

http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html

This is a link that appears to be a report of this incident, but the report is undated.[/QUOTE]Thats the same link somebody posted on DR1. Claiming it was undated. Almost word for word. Was that you too? Why is the YT video with Andy the Hobo Traveler in that webpage (you provided) dated 2011? If the video is 2011, the content in that link you provided is probably 2011.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906058]I would say the main difference is Dominican Citizen vs. Tourists. From most of what I've learned about the DR over the years, it seems like they have no problem shitting on their own people (like throwing chicas in jail for no reason). Most guys travel there in packs. If a group of 10 guys decided they are not going to show the police their cell phone, I'm going to safely say they are not taking all of them to jail.

If EVERY guy in Sosua decided they are not going to show the Police their cell phones, that's a hell of a lot of guys getting put in jail. That's going to bring a lot of unwanted attention, especially for a place heavily dependent on tourism. All it will take is for a few guys who are not there for sex tourism getting thrown in jail by the police and it turns out they are well connected on the island and back in their home country for heads to start to roll.

Normally I agree with you Mani, but on this one I will call BS. But if and when the first story pops up here about it happening, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.[/QUOTE]Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. When I calmed down a little I called my Canadian lawyer and told him what happened as I could not believe they had the right to do it and my lawyer sent me a link to the law that specifically says that they can confiscate your electronic devices for up to 60 days basically just for the fuck of it. So me thinks if the Canadian authorities have the legal balls to do it the Dominicans certainly do. All the Dominican authorities have to do is grab a handful of phones or a handful of guys every day for refusing to give up their phones and word would get around quite rapidly, they don't need to do it to hundreds of guys.

According to my sleuthing the article on the arrests dates back to at least June of 2011, when an archive of the website was downloaded:

[URL]http://web.archive.org/web/20110621010834/http://www.hobotraveler.com/travel-journal/100-300-sosua-girls-affects-offshore-investments.html[/URL]

That's my small contribution for today. I'm traveling to Sosua in about 2. 5 weeks. If all the clubs have really closed and the chicas stopped showing up, I may just stay at Blackbeards because hunting on Tinder / Badoo / Facebook is time consuming and very uncertain. If the cute girls are still coming to whatever is open on the weekends, I will stay in Sosua.

So I'll ask a small favor of those who are on the ground: please let us know if the clubs are open and the girls are there next weekend.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906150]Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. s.[/QUOTE]I don't have auto login on any of my electronic devices (Precaution against the girlfriend snooping, so even if she gets my passcode to my phone, she isn't getting anything incriminating). I wonder if the police would have made you give them your password to facebook too.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1906173]I don't have auto login on any of my electronic devices (Precaution against the girlfriend snooping, so even if she gets my passcode to my phone, she isn't getting anything incriminating). I wonder if the police would have made you give them your password to facebook too.[/QUOTE]I admittedly was not prepared when this happened but again, I have nothing to hide. I returned to Canada two weeks ago and this time I just removed all my apps from my Iphone and Ipad and reinstalled them once in Canada, they did not ask to see my phone this time, I flew this time around and they did not search me although I still went through secondary.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906150]Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. When I calmed down a little I called my Canadian lawyer and told him what happened as I could not believe they had the right to do it and my lawyer sent me a link to the law that specifically says that they can confiscate your electronic devices for up to 60 days basically just for the fuck of it. So me thinks if the Canadian authorities have the legal balls to do it the Dominicans certainly do. All the Dominican authorities have to do is grab a handful of phones or a handful of guys every day for refusing to give up their phones and word would get around quite rapidly, they don't need to do it to hundreds of guys.[/QUOTE]That's what you get for following the rules.

Next time, hide your passport and Visa, walk across the river, and tell 'em you're a refugee, running from, say Trump, or the Tea Party, or the draft, and they'll give you a hot drink, warm clothes, and put you up at one of our waterfront hotels for an indefinite period and start locating and bringing your family in for you.

Then you can walk a block or so and use your food allowance for a couple table dances at Filmore's.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906150]I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc.[/QUOTE]There are apps that can hide your files and provide a false front that gives the impression you have unlocked the phone and are viewing the full contents of the data. Or travel with a clean phone that you just use to communicate. You could have an inexpensive BLU for when you are on the street and leave your main one in your room safe.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1906144]Thats the same link somebody posted on DR1. Claiming it was undated. Almost word for word. Was that you too? Why is the YT video with Andy the Hobo Traveler in that webpage (you provided) dated 2011? If the video is 2011, the content in that link you provided is probably 2011.[/QUOTE]This Hobo guy tweeted a link to this article on June 18,2011. [URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/hobotraveler/status/82121809385893888[/URL].

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1906144]Thats the same link somebody posted on DR1. Claiming it was undated. Almost word for word. Was that you too? Why is the YT video with Andy the Hobo Traveler in that webpage (you provided) dated 2011? If the video is 2011, the content in that link you provided is probably 2011.[/QUOTE]No, I didn't post anything on DR1. I still don't see any dateline on that report, which I found on Google, but I mentioned that it was undated as a warning that it might not be current news. At the bottom it says copyright 2011 to 2016. I did not play the video.

I looked for news on the Sosua arrests, because it was hard to believe that there would be no reports in any media of 200 women being arrested in Sosua, but now the person who made the original report here on ISG has retracted that claim. This report was the closest thing I could find, and I suspected it might not be current.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1906200]I looked for news on the Sosua arrests, because it was hard to believe that there would be no reports in any media of 200 women being arrested in Sosua, but now the person who made the original report here on ISG has retracted that claim. [/QUOTE]You were not alone, reading that post, I too thought the police have bagged all 200 girls, which certainly would be very odd, compared to the usual 10-15 pick ups that happen nightly. I guess I am not the only one here with English as a second language. LOL.

Here is an update of what I know. I am always sensitive about saying things because do not want people to think I am just putting down Sosua.

First, let me say this I really like Sosua. I am sure many of you know that the beach is very popular with the tour operators with the resorts in puerta plata. In fact, that is where they take there tourists to go snorkeling in the back area of Sosua.

Now what I do know. There have been presentations that have been made to make sosua similar to playa del carmen in mexico. A former run down town that is now very popular with tourists. It started with the anchor tenant the Gansevoort Hotel. They are a big supporter of this plan along with other real estate investors. For those of you who say you get off the strip, then you would know if you take a right after the police station there is a huge new development going up. Please stop focusing on the strip focus what is taking place off the strip that will tell you what is really happening. Secondly, I have said before if you really got off the strip the back of Sosua has multimillion dollar homes that have a lot of influence on what is taking place. Take your girl back there and go swimming if you say you get off the block. Once the Gansevoort starting getting negative reviews on the prostitution issues from there clients they were not happy. Along with real estate developers, they are now not tolerant of the prostitution issue and have told the tourism minister fix it now. They want it stopped. Your money is not important to them and they could care less about some women not making money and bars who cater to you and them. Will it work do not know, but it might. Time will tell.

[QUOTE=Revere;1906216]Once the Gansevoort starting getting negative reviews on the prostitution issues from there clients they were not happy. Along with real estate developers, they are now not tolerant of the prostitution issue and have told the tourism minister fix it now. They want it stopped. Your money is not important to them and they could care less about some women not making money and bars who cater to you and them. Will it work do not know, but it might. Time will tell.[/QUOTE]Now this will be very interesting! Foreign interests coming in and telling Dominicans what to do and when to do it! Especially since the local Dominican in no way benefit from any of this development taking place. I understand the guys at the top will receive money for towing the line, but what about everyone else? Are these developers going to drive down the street tossing pesos out the window while begging everyone to just please go away?

It seems like you are in a very good spot if you are a bar, restaurant, or hotel owner in Sosua right now. The more they want your place closed to drive away prostitution, the more valuable your business becomes. You can ask for the sky and receive it.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Oakie. We've been down this road many time before. Short of them using threats, physical violence, or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:

[QUOTE=Oakie;1906110]
But the stuff that goes on is petty politics. A show of the flag to placate some of the more demanding citizens who don't make a living off prostitution. I've seen the on again and off again crackdowns on covering the bar windows, chicas entering a bar alone, strolling alone, not wearing a moto helmet, and the monthly round up of hookers, especially the Haitians. Bars are closed and then re-opened as if nothing happened.

Fact is Sosua runs on prostitution, and without it, it would be just another La Union, Abajo or Charamichos barrio.

The folks who really run Sosua won't let all that dinero disappear.

If they really wanted change they could simply declare Sosua a "Re-development Zone", and pass a bylaw against prostitution. Throw a couple mongers in jail and Bingo! Cuba here we come!

[b]So relax, we'll all be having this conversation again next year like we had it last year, and the year before.[/b][/QUOTE]

I can recall the first BIG crackdown happening in 2011. Here we are 5 years later...

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906230]Now this will be very interesting! Foreign interests coming in and telling Dominicans what to do and when to do it! Especially since the local Dominican in no way benefit from any of this development taking place. I understand the guys at the top will receive money for towing the line, but what about everyone else? Are these developers going to drive down the street tossing pesos out the window while begging everyone to just please go awa

It seems like you are in a very good spot if you are a bar, restaurant, or hotel owner in Sosua right now. The more they want your place closed to drive away prostitution, the more valuable your business becomes. You can ask for the sky and receive it.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Oakie. We've been down this road many time before. Short of them using physical violence or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:[/QUOTE]I do not disagree with your comments. But you did not have a Gansevoort and new new real estate development happening. It was just all talk the tourists are coming but not now. You have one of the most expensive hotels in all of the Dominican Republic leading the charge.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906230]Short of them using threats, physical violence, or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:

...[/QUOTE]That is exactly what they did with the prostitution bars around the west end of the Malecon in Puerto Plata several years ago. The small prostitution bars and short stay hotel were all bulldozed and only Cristal's club remained plus one massage place.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906230]
I hate to say it, but I agree with Oakie. We've been down this road many time before. Short of them using threats, physical violence, or bulldozing down establishments, I don't see anything changing. We will know they are serious when hotels there will not allow you to bring a chica back to your room. Until then:[/QUOTE]You'd better watch it, you'll be getting hate mail :)

But Revere has a point.

I reported after my last trip the relatively quiet development that has been going on on the back beaches. My GF and I were checking out high end condos for a buddy of mine. He wanted the best. We walked from Infiniti Blu to Blue Bayou, and were stunned by this huge Gansevoort Ocean Club and Spa Resort. My words were WTF? Who's going to pay those prices to stay in Sosua. ?

The GF, who is well connected locally couldn't believe it. Probably some of you residents down there are familiar with it, but to me it seemed to pop up literally overnight, with little publicity. It is major luxury Resort Hotel / Condo development, that you cannot see from anywhere in Sosua unless you actually go down that quiet little back road. But it is still in the heart of Sosua.

To your point, of course, and I checked, they are not "guest friendly" as we understand the term. So I passed.

So you can imagine the tensions between those heavyweight investors and the local hooker bars. The politicians are caught in between. Who's gonna line their pockets more? :)

Funny thing, though, on their web site the Ocean Club advertise "close to sizzling nightlife"! So they'll probably encourage high end discos, clubs and resaurants.

Maybe high end hookers too?

It's always the little guy who gets kicked in the ass!

[QUOTE=Revere;1906232]I do not disagree with your comments. But you did not have a Gansevoort and new new real estate development happening. It was just al talk the tourists are coming but not now. You have one of the most expensive hotels in all of the Dominican Republic leading the charge.[/QUOTE]I hear you Revere. But remember it was not too long ago it was supposedly the cruise lines like Carnival leading the charge after that port was built in (I forget the name of the place).

I don't doubt what you are saying is taking place, but the only way you are going to keep men and chicas from coming to Sosua is if the hotels there tell them they can no longer bring chicas back to their room (changing their policy of being "Guest Friendly"). I will say they mean business once that happens. You take away a monger's place to conduct business with a chica (hotel room) and there is no reason to go there anymore.

Otherwise I think chicas will continue to risk getting arrested so long as there are guys continuing to show up to Sosua and pay for their services. If she can make 16,000 pesos over the course of 4 days (two sessions at 2000 pesos per day), then a night in jail may be worth the risk to her.

So keep an eye on New Garden, Terra Linda, Europa, and Wilfred's place (don't remember the name of his hotel) as a sign of any meaningful changes to come...

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906243]I hear you Revere. But remember it was not too long ago it was supposedly the cruise lines like Carnival leading the charge after that port was built in (I forget the name of the place).

I don't doubt what you are saying is taking place, but the only way you are going to keep men and chicas from coming to Sosua is if the hotels there tell them they can no longer bring chicas back to their room (changing their policy of being "Guest Friendly"). I will say they mean business once that happens. You take away a monger's place to conduct business with a chica (hotel room) and there is no reason to go there anymore.

Otherwise I think chicas will continue to risk getting arrested so long as there are guys continuing to show up to Sosua and pay for their services. If she can make 16,000 pesos over the course of 4 days (two sessions at 2000 pesos per day), then a night in jail may be worth the risk to her.

So keep an eye on New Garden, Terra Linda, Europa, and Wilfred's place (don't remember the name of his hotel) as a sign of any meaningful changes to come...[/QUOTE]I here you I am just telling you what I know nothing in it for me. I think everyone would be happy if the crowd was high end and it less open and in your face to the tourists who walk through, but that makes it great for a lot of other people. I do not know the answer to the right mix. You cannot make everyone happy. Still, i cannot imagine police messing with men. Either way has no effect on my flow. I took that bus one time from santo domingo and hated every minute of it. Forced me to step up my game and learn spainish and see what the country really had to offer. Again, othet people might love the bus it is easy and safe i just like to move around when i want. Met some cool people moving around met a lot of cool people who live in the back of sosua that will give you a good perspective on what is going on.

[QUOTE=Oakie;1906239]I reported after my last trip the relatively quiet development that has been going on on the back beaches. My GF and I were checking out high end condos for a buddy of mine. He wanted the best. We walked from Infiniti Blu to Blue Bayou, and were stunned by this huge Gansevoort Ocean Club and Spa Resort. My words were WTF? Who's going to pay those prices to stay in Sosua?[/QUOTE]Another great post my man. I googled the place and checked out the website. And now I understand the push. Looks like an appearance thing to me. The politicians are probably working both ends as we speak. It's not a competition. It's finding a way for both to co-exist so the money can flow into each pocket from both directions. High end hookers indeed. LOL. But even on the high end they need some privacy. Those rich guys can't be taking putas back to The Ocean Club.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1906150]Recently I drove to Canada to conduct some business and was stopped for secondary inspection by the Canadian Border Patrol. They grabbed my Iphone and Ipad and when they could not access it they asked me to unlock them. I asked what they would do if I refused and they told me that they would confiscate both devices and arrest me for hindering an investigation. I was brought into a holding area, cuffed, searched and detained. I unlocked them both as I really had nothing to hide and they spent 2 hours going through all my FB stuff, Whatsapp, my photos etc. ,asked me a thousand questions etc. After going through it all they refused to let me enter the country and I had to drive 6 hours home. When I calmed down a little I called my Canadian lawyer and told him what happened as I could not believe they had the right to do it and my lawyer sent me a link to the law that specifically says that they can confiscate your electronic devices for up to 60 days basically just for the fuck of it. So me thinks if the Canadian authorities have the legal balls to do it the Dominicans certainly do. All the Dominican authorities have to do is grab a handful of phones or a handful of guys every day for refusing to give up their phones and word would get around quite rapidly, they don't need to do it to hundreds of guys.[/QUOTE]There's a major difference. In Canada the police and border patrol are highly trained, we'll paid and have excellent benefits. In the DR I doubt if the police have much training, I'm certain their pay and benefits are at the low end of the scale.

Those highly trained Canadians know the laws and you aren't going to be able to intimidate them or confuse them. However, the DR police, from all reports, seem to be uncertain, unless they've been given specific guidance. They are willing to try for the easy bribe, but that's about it.

You must have really pissed off Canada. I cross the border every week and never have any issues.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1906256]Another great post my man. I googled the place and checked out the website. And now I understand the push. Looks like an appearance thing to me. The politicians are probably working both ends as we speak. It's not a competition. It's finding a way for both to co-exist so the money can flow into each pocket from both directions. High end hookers indeed. LOL. But even on the high end they need some privacy. Those rich guys can't be taking putas back to The Ocean Club.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

I say this stuff is all going on over the heads of the average monger, and it make no sense to worry on the outcome. After all, back in 2000 or so, they flattened half of Charamicos to make way for a Marina down by the river. The hotel and the literally hundreds of condos they built there are still derelict.

(If anybody knows the full story of that debacle, please post!)

That would have been a major signal that the times they were a changin', and yet still nada!

Like Save a Pro says, keep an eye on the local hotels for any change in their "guest" policy.

Keep an eye on the PC strip, which IS Sosua, for any serious "reclaimation" efforts, whoever controls the street, runs the show :)

But most of all, keep an eye on the cops. The day they start hassling mongers the show is over!

Until then, don't worry, be happy!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1906496]Like Save a Pro says, keep an eye on the local hotels for any change in their "guest" policy.[/QUOTE]Sosua is a horse of a different color. I don't know about New Garden, but the other hotels around there are owned by foreigners and they know the clientele that they have catered to for years is the monger. Plus there are no major chain hotels. The major chains are the ones that make guest policies, not the mom and pops. Also, there is no influx of tourists flocking in to occupy the rooms. Regardless, the guest policy in Sosua is not going to change.

[URL]http://elsoldesantiago.com/autoridades-inician-rescate-sosua-intervienen-negocios/[/URL]

The officials are trying to propegate a few ideas that we know are BS: Drugs are rampant in Sosua; drugs and prostitution in Sosua are harming North Coast tourism; Sosua was once a family destination.

"En ese sentido, el fiscal titular de Puerto Plata, Osvaldo Bonilla dijo ayer sbado que con estas medidas se busca rescatar esa importante zona turstica de la prostituciand, trafico de drogas why que las visitas de familias sean retomadas como en tiempos atras. ".

"La semana pasada el procurador Francisco Domnguez Brito mostr su preocupaciand por el auge que ha tomado la presencia de trabajadoras sexuales en las calles de Sosa, al punto que ha degradado el turismo en la costa norte. ".

Well the changes won't affect me because my game is so superior, I don't need Sosua. (Actually I do. I am crying).

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1906230]I can recall the first BIG crackdown happening in 2011.[/QUOTE]It was not the first. It had happened nine (years earlier. In 2011 I remember the vets brushing it off and saying "we have been through all this before, it will revert to normal within a year".

[QUOTE=Parkinsons;1906518][URL]http://elsoldesantiago.com/autoridades-inician-rescate-sosua-intervienen-negocios/[/URL]

The officials are trying to propegate a few ideas that we know are BS: Drugs are rampant in Sosua; drugs and prostitution in Sosua are harming North Coast tourism; Sosua was once a family destination.

"En ese sentido, el fiscal titular de Puerto Plata, Osvaldo Bonilla dijo ayer sbado que con estas medidas se busca rescatar esa importante zona turstica de la prostituciand, trafico de drogas why que las visitas de familias sean retomadas como en tiempos atras. ".

"La semana pasada el procurador Francisco Domnguez Brito mostr su preocupaciand por el auge que ha tomado la presencia de trabajadoras sexuales en las calles de Sosa, al punto que ha degradado el turismo en la costa norte. ".

Well the changes won't affect me because my game is so superior, I don't need Sosua. (Actually I do. I am crying).[/QUOTE]I am checking this statement right now! I never said my game is so superior you tried to hate and put words in my mouth typical of someone who worries about another man and not themselves. I said it has no effect if changes are are made. Does not mean I am better than you. When Lebron took over game 7 in the fourth quarter with that blocked shot of the NBA championship he did it because he wanted it more in the moment. People did not say at the end of the game he thinks his game is so superior they said Lebron wanted it more and took it like a man and real men respected it. Just because I do not want to get off a plane and just sit on a strip and wait for the right girl to come along does not make me superior. I just want to win and I am not limiting myself to a few block radius. If I do not like what I see or feel I keep it moving. Does not make me superior I just want it and going to make it happen my way. I want it more than you and not afraid to say it. You go "cry" I will always make it happen and I am not comfortable just hanging out with uneducated prostitutes. I feel I can do better. Does not make me better than you.

I never hear people on this board saying I want to meet the hardest pro I can that will provide me with no GFE. No, they say they want to meet someone that makes them happy. Well I am not going to fly 4 hours and sit on a strip and see if that can happen. I am going to make it happen because I want it and confident in me in doing it and I do not have to hate on another man to make me feel better.

I keep saying a man who is confident in themselves never tries to put down another man and hate by hiding behind a computer. They are confident in themselves and never worry about what another man does or thinks. They listen to what he say's and see if that helps them in what they are trying to do. Now go sit behind your computer and think about that.

[QUOTE=Revere;1906600] I never said my game is so superior you tried to hate and put words in my mouth typical of someone who worries about another man and not themselves.[/QUOTE]What little I know of Parkinsons, his was just a tongue in cheek, unlikely to have been aimed at you.

Overall, I agree with Oakie. All these big speculations, are useless for most here including the undersigned. I spent a week or so, so far this year, in that town (and had a good time as usual) and so, what will or will not happen in the grand scheme of things is nothing but much ado about nothing! Indeed observer like Pooter, resident there, has already confirmed that it is. Nonetheless, it has scared off newbies like NZ smith, who is planning to be safe at BB, even though I would bet, things would very much remain the same in Sosua.

To have some current facts:

Is Rumba bar still closed or open till 12 pm?

Are there now far fewer girls on the streets and in the bars?

[QUOTE=Revere;1906600]I am checking this statement right now! I never said my game is so superior you tried to hate and put words in my mouth typical of someone who worries about another man and not themselves. I said it has no effect if changes are are made. Does not mean I am better than you. When Lebron took over game 7 in the fourth quarter with that blocked shot of the NBA championship he did it because he wanted it more in the moment. People did not say at the end of the game he thinks his game is so superior they said Lebron wanted it more and took it like a man and real men respected it. Just because I do not want to get off a plane and just sit on a strip and wait for the right girl to come along does not make me superior. I just want to win and I am not limiting myself to a few block radius. If I do not like what I see or feel I keep it moving. Does not make me superior I just want it and going to make it happen my way. I want it more than you and not afraid to say it. You go "cry" I will always make it happen and I am not comfortable just hanging out with uneducated prostitutes. I feel I can do better. Does not make me better than you.

I never hear people on this board saying I want to meet the hardest pro I can that will provide me with no GFE. No, they say they want to meet someone that makes them happy. Well I am not going to fly 4 hours and sit on a strip and see if that can happen. I am going to make it happen because I want it and confident in me in doing it and I do not have to hate on another man to make me feel better.

I keep saying a man who is confident in themselves never tries to put down another man and hate by hiding behind a computer. They are confident in themselves and never worry about what another man does or thinks. They listen to what he say's and see if that helps them in what they are trying to do. Now go sit behind your computer and think about that.[/QUOTE]LOL You're looking in the wrong place for "game", or real men.

The "game" is had by the local hulos who fuck them for free and send them out to get money from us foreigners for their babies!

They don't post here :)

If you can't face this fact, you're going to have serious problems down there!

Real men, or guys with "game" don't pay for sex!

How can a monger who pays for sex, have "game" anyway?

Whats THAT all about?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1906508]Sosua is a horse of a different color. I don't know about New Garden, but the other hotels around there are owned by foreigners and they know the clientele that they have catered to for years is the monger. Plus there are no major chain hotels. The major chains are the ones that make guest policies, not the mom and pops. Also, there is no influx of tourists flocking in to occupy the rooms. Regardless, the guest policy in Sosua is not going to change.[/QUOTE]I agree.

Hotel owners (and restauranteurs) only care about filling seats and rooms they have vacant.

They don't give shit about politics 'til later, when they have made their money!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1906719]LOL You're looking in the wrong place for "game", or real men.

The "game" is had by the local hulos who fuck them for free and send them out to get money from us foreigners for their babies!

They don't post here :)

If you can't face this fact, you're going to have serious problems down there!

Real men, or guys with "game" don't pay for sex!

How can a monger who pays for sex, have "game" anyway?

Whats THAT all about?[/QUOTE]Your crazy I have friend right now who still plays in the NFL with a 30 million contract that has three women in three different hotels right now in miami. Went out with him Friday spent 15,000 through the night on me and her and her friend. Trust me he got game it all costs do not believe that lie its for free if you got game. We hang in santo domingo a lot just because you get away from the game and just have fun in another game. If you know anything about the game, Deon Sanders showed a lot of people hot chicks in the usa can kill you on instagram showing you sleeping in a bed when your still married. For us, travel is the way to go to get away from the nightclub game in the usa. I go to kaviar disco in puerta plata with my girl i am not paying for sex but i am.paying to hang out and have fun. It always costs money.But, i understand what your saying if you got game you do not need to hang out in sosua. I do not agree with that. In fact the dominican club across the street from rumbas on saturday and sunday nights pops with hot non pro dominicans, but you only see locals in there a lot of talent in there. I am in there having fun. Doing work. Does not just have to be just about the putas to meet women and have fun in sosua. I have spent more time in there than classicos.

[QUOTE=Revere;1906729]Your crazy I have friend right now who still plays in the NFL with a 30 million contract that has three women in three different hotels right now in miami. Went out with him Friday spent 15,000 through the night on me and her and her friend. Trust me he got game it all costs do not believe that lie its for free if you got game. We hang in santo domingo a lot just because you get away from the game and just have fun in another game. If you know anything about the game, Deon Sanders showed a lot of people hot chicks in the usa can kill you on instagram showing you sleeping in a bed when your still married. For us, travel is the way to go to get away from the nightclub game in the usa. I go to kaviar disco in puerta plata with my girl i am not paying for sex but i am.paying to hang out and have fun. It always costs money.But, i understand what your saying if you got game you do not need to hang out in sosua. I do not agree with that. In fact the dominican club across the street from rumbas on saturday and sunday nights pops with hot non pro dominicans, but you only see locals in there a lot of talent in there. I am in there having fun. Doing work. Does not just have to be just about the putas to meet women and have fun in sosua. I have spent more time in there than classicos.[/QUOTE]

Maybe I am crazy, I'm just a Sosua monger!

Maybe your pal in Miami doesn't have "game".

Maybe it's just his $15,000.00 U.S. dolares? Now that's a lot of "game"!

Game is the young broke bartender, or gym personal trainer, or the valet car jockey who they take that $15,000.00 back home to!

LOL

Word on the street is they owes 60 k in taxes. !st night on ground was about hanging with the guys watching girls on the street. The girls were walking around mostly old faces. Baileys is getting a new roof and was closed. I was more upset about Baileys then Rumba. I love their pizza and fish. I got great sex from my Haitian sweetie. We started at 9 and went all night. I bought her a 55 dollar phone that she loved and I reaped the benefits. We know each other so the sex is relaxed and very good. The policia are still preying on Hatians so she is nervous about going out. The guys are making the best of the slow down and it was a Monday. ON the ground no one seems worried and there are more then enough girls to keep us busy.

[QUOTE=Sixty9;1906713]To have some current facts:

Is Rumba bar still closed or open till 12 pm?

Are there now far fewer girls on the streets and in the bars?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oakie;1906742]Maybe I am crazy, I'm just a Sosua monger!

Maybe your pal in Miami doesn't have "game".

Maybe it's just his $15,000.00 U.S. dolares? Now that's a lot of "game"!

Game is the young broke bartender, or gym personal trainer, or the valet car jockey who they take that $15,000.00 back home to!

LOL[/QUOTE]I hear you I have no problem with you your cool, but all I am saying for sosua to last you do not want it to be just about being a monger. Why, because people complain about weekend ballers which care nothing about the culture and people who live there it is all about them. Now, that you see dominican women on worldstar hip hop do you think the new mayor and tourism wants to see that showing there women in that light. You want a mix in sosua game, no game, pros, non pros people with money people on a travel budget all just having fun at the beach and clubs together. To me that works, but if you just have go to sosua to pay for sex because I have no game, no respect for the culture then it will end. If you were a women mayor who is religious what would you do. I have said enough just my thoughts.

Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1907217]Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down today. - this afternoon. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?[/QUOTE]The bullshit debate was how do you keep things going with the right mix. Comprehension is great thing in life. Yes it is closed! You should care about the debate they do not just want men coming and paying for sex classico closed today this afternoon.:

the Interior and Police, the Ministry of Tourism, the Mayor of Sosa, Tourist Police (CESTUR), National Police and the Traffic Police ( AMET). Noteworthy is that the early closing times do not apply to Cabarete. With these early closing times and closing the Rumba Bar and Disco D' Classico the aim is to combat prostitution and drug-related crime. According ADSS Sosa will be much more attractive to families and retirees.
Bron FB: ADSSOSUA

All i can do is share what I know be careful not going to tolerate transactions for prostitution. Not sure exactly what that means.

Having a deeper understanding of the situation or transaction being token place than person and or people you're dealing with, thereby using it to your advantage. We all got game and gamed. And we all pay something. Grownman1.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1907217]Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?[/QUOTE]I'm on the ground and last night Classico's has been open the last 3-4 nights I have been here only until 12:30 am Not sure about the names of clubs but Rumbas and the bar across the street, both on the corners are both closed and the police for the last 3-4 days have been taking girls to jail. Pickings are slim but I'm still doing what I do, sport fucking, just don't like the prices I'm getting 3000 pesos for ST crazy even from 6 and 8's I just back them back down, price we pay in the pass for all night should not be the new price for 2 hours not even 2500. We need to stick to the price and not over pay please.

What we was getting just 2-3 weeks ago for 2000 for two hours is now 3000 hell no. Dollar US is 45.95 here.

[QUOTE=KcTalent;1907258]Pickings are slim but I'm still doing what I do, sport fucking, just don't like the prices I'm getting 3000 pesos for ST crazy even from 6 and 8's I just back them back down, price we pay in the pass for all night should not be the new price for 2 hours not even 2500. We need to stick to the price and not over pay please.

What we was getting just 2-3 weeks ago for 2000 for two hours is now 3000 hell no. Dollar US is 45.95 here.[/QUOTE]Stick to your guns bro. These club closures are not making it any easier for them (chicas) to eat. Use this situation to your advantage because if they don't play ball, then they risk going home empty handed and possibly getting thrown in jail in the process.

[QUOTE=Revere;1907206]I hear you I have no problem with you your cool, but all I am saying for sosua to last you do not want it to be just about being a monger. Why, because people complain about weekend ballers which care nothing about the culture and people who live there it is all about them. Now, that you see dominican women on worldstar hip hop do you think the new mayor and tourism wants to see that showing there women in that light. You want a mix in sosua game, no game, pros, non pros people with money people on a travel budget all just having fun at the beach and clubs together. To me that works, but if you just have go to sosua to pay for sex because I have no game, no respect for the culture then it will end. If you were a women mayor who is religious what would you do. I have said enough just my thoughts.[/QUOTE]Ya know what, Revere?

I agree with you more than you think!

I just like to rattle the cages sometimes. What else do we do here between trips and good reports?

Nothing personal!

Peace!

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1907285]Stick to your guns bro. These club closures are not making it any easier for them (chicas) to eat. Use this situation to your advantage because if they don't play ball, then they risk going home empty handed and possibly getting thrown in jail in the process.[/QUOTE]They also know that guys didn't fly 5 hours to just sit at an OK beach and drink Dominican beer. It's a game of chicken, and I'm seeing reports on other boards that some girls are asking for more. Who knows what the medium term equilibrium will be- I guess I'll find out soon!

I went in tonight 930 but it was empty. There are plenty of girls complaining of having no work for days. Guys are spending more time looking for good places to eat then for girls. Al in all there is much fun to be had. My second day I had 2 Haitian girls named Cassandra. The first came at 8 pm got naked and stayed naked until 8 in the morning. She was ready whenever I was. Excellent service. The second was good but not great by Haitian standards. I am changing up and doing some Dominicans tonight.

[QUOTE=Mongmann;1907217]Just got a call from a friend who says he heard that Classico's was recently shut down. Can anyone confirm this? I've been trying to read through recent reports but the board has been taken over by a long bullshit debate over who has game and who doesn't. That's shit I really don't care about. Classico's? Anybody have any info?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KcTalent;1907258]Pickings are slim but I'm still doing what I do, sport fucking, just don't like the prices I'm getting 3000 pesos for ST crazy even from 6 and 8's I just back them back down, price we pay in the pass for all night should not be the new price for 2 hours not even 2500. We need to stick to the price and not over pay please.[/QUOTE]They are trying an Asian business practice. When volume drops, increase the price. They want to make the same money with fewer customers. But, it is a buyers' market. Give them 1500 to TLN.

[QUOTE=Revere;1907242]The bullshit debate was how do you keep things going with the right mix.[/QUOTE]If Sosua dies, who cares? It was nice while it lasted and we will reminiscence about it. However, the death of Sosua means the birth of some other obscure Dominican beach town. As long as we have money and their women want it, then there's a market. As soon as one venue dies, another venue will be born.

My issue with Sosua is pulling the trigger. Things are slower but there are plenty of girls to chose from. Last night I pulled a real winner I may keep her. She looks and sounds like Gabrial Union. Very pretty 31 great body. In the bed a 10. She did everything I wanted when I wanted. I think she may be a nympho. She is fun to be with. I may be catching feelings. While things are different Sosua a good time can be had. All the girls are paranoid about the police. Any girl can be locked up if she is found on the street.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1907423]If Sosua dies, who cares? It was nice while it lasted and we will reminiscence about it. However, the death of Sosua means the birth of some other obscure Dominican beach town. As long as we have money and their women want it, then there's a market. As soon as one venue dies, another venue will be born.[/QUOTE]I thought about what you said you are absolutely right! The one place that could pull it off is boca chica. You do not have the same issues with a high end group not happy about the prostitution. Boca Chica really is an extension of santo domingo and the barrio. Now the italians there might not be happy, but the barrio rules boca chica at the end of the day and everyone knows the weekend there is everyone from santo domingo - they do not care and have no problem with your flow. It could work. To be honest, it could be better as airport has more flights to major cities and cheaper to get there. That is where it will happen and makes more sense. Unfortunately, the poor people in sosua who are the drivers and low income workers who depend on mongers lose.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1907580]My issue with Sosua is pulling the trigger. Things are slower but there are plenty of girls to chose from. Last night I pulled a real winner I may keep her. She looks and sounds like Gabrial Union. Very pretty 31 great body. In the bed a 10. She did everything I wanted when I wanted. I think she may be a nympho. She is fun to be with. I may be catching feelings. While things are different Sosua a good time can be had. All the girls are paranoid about the police. Any girl can be locked up if she is found on the street.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the actual information of the ground.

I hope that the police hunt for the girls is going to end soon. If that lasts several weeks, many girls will not take the risk.

And it is not the same having to make a date rather than to spontaneously search for a girl on the street or in a bar.

I see more girls on the streets just walking around then in the past from 10 am on. I am being told they have not been getting work they need. At night Bourbon street bar has become the center hangout for guys. They have something close to soul food including sweet potatoe pie. The food is good and girl come there and post as they did in Rumbas just not the numbers. The action is more chaotic and the girls more desperate. I am seeing many regulars with a few new ones in the mix. It is low season early in the week. Once Rumbas is back I think it is business as usual.

[QUOTE=KConstant;1907423]If Sosua dies, who cares? It was nice while it lasted and we will reminiscence about it. However, the death of Sosua means the birth of some other obscure Dominican beach town. As long as we have money and their women want it, then there's a market. As soon as one venue dies, another venue will be born.[/QUOTE]Yeah, right, there are lots of beach towns in the DR within five miles of international airports with hundreds of air-conditioned hotel rooms that no one has yet heard of. Lots of towns that have a unique cultural history of being settled by Jewish refugees after World War II.

Sosua as a prostitution destination is on its last legs. The writing has been on the wall for a while. Just 2 months ago I surrendered the keys of my condo in Sosua and sold my DR- made furniture, having maintained a DR home for more than 5 years continuously. Probably I will not be back there again.

Sosua used to be fun when it was all bachata and meringue, until the so-called "wolfpacks" took over the nightlife. Everything became a bit uglier and more in your face. A lot of people came down just to get drunk and fuck girls, and while there was always that before, there were more tourists who were interested in ongoing relationships, the local culture, food, and music, learning the language, and so on. Many retired to the area, or took girls away to Canada, Europe, and elsewhere. Sosua was a great place to go to relax for a few days.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1907684] They have something close to soul food including sweet potatoe pie.[/QUOTE]Dan Quayle thanks you for that.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1907698]Sosua as a prostitution destination is on its last legs. The writing has been on the wall for a while. Just 2 months ago I surrendered the keys of my condo in Sosua and sold my DR- made furniture, having maintained a DR home for more than 5 years continuously. Probably I will not be back there again.

Sosua used to be fun when it was all bachata and meringue, until the so-called "wolfpacks" took over the nightlife. Everything became a bit uglier and more in your face. A lot of people came down just to get drunk and fuck girls, and while there was always that before, there were more tourists who were interested in ongoing relationships, the local culture, food, and music, learning the language, and so on. Many retired to the area, or took girls away to Canada, Europe, and elsewhere. Sosua was a great place to go to relax for a few days.[/QUOTE]Yes, I started going to Sousa back in 2010, I use to go 5 times a year, it was so amazing and fun, but around 2013 to Now things started changing I guess when everybody found out about Sosua, the girls are mostly business now, and most only stay by the hour, who knows maybe the crackdown will scare of all the wolf pack and the 1 week millionaires away. Kinda like a destroy and rebuild, but again I could care less. Cuba is opening up very soon and after the Olympic bust is finish Brazil we be back too what it use to be, those 2 countries will keep me busy.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;1907707]Yes, I started going to Sousa back in 2010, I use to go 5 times a year, it was so amazing and fun, but around 2013 to Now things started changing I guess when everybody found out about Sosua, the girls are mostly business now, and most only stay by the hour, who knows maybe the crackdown will scare of all the wolf pack and the 1 week millionaires away. Kinda like a destroy and rebuild, but again I could care less. Cuba is opening up very soon and after the Olympic bust is finish Brazil we be back too what it use to be, those 2 countries will keep me busy.[/QUOTE]There is no need to run from ALL of the DR completely. It's like Revere said, if you expand your horizons the entire island is open to you. Or to use Tony Montana's phrase, the place is "One big pussy waiting to be fucked. ".

I already mentioned in another post (Gogo's forum) that the game has moved to online for a long while now. I get slammed with so many messages when I log into DC that I have to log out after 5 minutes, LOL! Do you know how awesome that is? To have women hounding you and slamming your inbox the same way thirsty dudes bombard the inbox of American Women in the US? You can be a superstar just about anywhere outside of the US.

I also experienced Sosua between '08-'10 timeframe. It was much more subtle and the women were hotter. 2010 was when the Wolfpack types started catching on to the place and word was getting out. My 2012 trip was a huge disappointment in terms of the quality and atmosphere there. That was my last time going.

If you are smart you will use Sosua to your advantage in the near future. It has an awesome beach there. Invite a lady friend or two to come and visit you from a neighboring town and enjoy your vacation.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1907698]Yeah, right, there are lots of beach towns in the DR within five miles of international airports with hundreds of air-conditioned hotel rooms that no one has yet heard of. Lots of towns that have a unique cultural history of being settled by Jewish refugees after World War II.[/QUOTE]Maybe there's not a place that no one has heard of; however, Santo Domingo has Boca Chica. In fact, there are several obscure Caribbean coast towns on the strip of coastline between international airports servicing Santo Domingo and La Romana. This would be a good place to look. Or, go to Rio, Cartagena, Pattaya, Sihanoukville (Cambodia), or Bali. All of these are have well-documented p-4-p and meet some or all of the qualifications. (They all have beaches.) It's a big world for mongering. Too big to be sad about one town dying. We're on ISG, it's very possible to click in these other forums and find out that there are other places to go besides Sosua.

You may be right about the prostitution bit. But, you can't have it both ways. If a guy is interested in building relationships, food, local culture, language, etc, then things haven't changed. All that happened was that one point-and-click venue is now much less point-and-click. The mongers who are missing out are the guys like me. I love point and click in a lounge / club environment, and I have zero interest in forming a long term relationship. However, if a guy wants a relationship, he can go on DominicanCupid and find a semi-pro who would love to give him GFE for a weekend or week.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1907698]Yeah, right, there are lots of beach towns in the DR within five miles of international airports with hundreds of air-conditioned hotel rooms that no one has yet heard of. Lots of towns that have a unique cultural history of being settled by Jewish refugees after World War II.

Sosua as a prostitution destination is on its last legs. The writing has been on the wall for a while. Just 2 months ago I surrendered the keys of my condo in Sosua and sold my DR- made furniture, having maintained a DR home for more than 5 years continuously. Probably I will not be back there again.

Sosua used to be fun when it was all bachata and meringue, until the so-called "wolfpacks" took over the nightlife. Everything became a bit uglier and more in your face. A lot of people came down just to get drunk and fuck girls, and while there was always that before, there were more tourists who were interested in ongoing relationships, the local culture, food, and music, learning the language, and so on. Many retired to the area, or took girls away to Canada, Europe, and elsewhere. Sosua was a great place to go to relax for a few days.[/QUOTE]The good news is that the beautiful young girls are still as plentiful as ever in the DR. That's just demographics.

They still are looking for:

1 Dinero for a quick fuck!

2 A WU novio.

3 A foreign guy to hook up with permanently, here in the DR or in his own country, who can meet their modest survival needs.

You just have to work with that, or around that. Especially if you want them to make your bed, do your laundry, and smile at you all day with awed reverence, as one of our vets recently put it.

If you don't like bars, alcohol, or alcohol induced merriment, you are eliminating one of societies safe, great and easy venues for conversing with strangers (and picking up girls, and even hearing that same bachata played over and over and over...........) :)

[QUOTE=OldKool;1907684]Once Rumbas is back I think it is business as usual.[/QUOTE]I think there is one other thing a lot of us are forgetting about: Follow the money trail.

Why do you these places haven't been bulldozed to the ground yet if they really wanted to do away with prostitution in Sosua? How does a guy like Armando, an Italian, set up shop and in a place like the DR and remain as successful as he did all those years without much interference from the locals?

Rumbas, Classicos, D'Latins, New Garden, etc. All you see are the faces of the owners. But you better believe they are kicking up a portion of their earnings to shadow players behind the scenes to continue to operate. Say what you want about the Wolf Pack/Weekend Ballers, but those dudes roll in and drop HUGE sums of cash over a short span of a few days (hotel rooms, those makeshift VIP Sections in Classicos, buying lots of bottles of alcohol, spending lots of money in the restaurants in the vicinity, etc), and there are others behind the scene getting a piece of this monetary action.

That is why I don't believe you guys should get all spooked about the real estate developments popping up. The one thing multinational companies or foreign entities HATE is to pay a bribe or extortion fees (or, in street slang, "being taxed"). I work for a very large multinational corporation, and we are set up in such that we would slit our collective throats before we paid out a bribe to "move things along. " Before the players behind the scenes just discard a place like Rumbas or Classicos, they are going to want to have something to replace that kickback cash flow. If those real estate developers are deciding they don't want to play ball, expect any transformation to happen a lot slower and places like Rumbas and Classicos to remain around much longer.

These type of people (most likely paid consultants for the multi national or foreign entity) like to show dazzling slide shows about how the local economy will grow and how jobs will be added, like they are trying to sell the idea to a local US Congressman. The local Dominicanos running the show behind the scenes don't care about none of this shit; they want to know how much they will be getting from this action and how long it will take for the action to start flowing into their pockets.

These club closings because they "don't have a license to operate" are just money shakedowns. It happens all the time in places like the Termas in Rio, and they re-open within a week or two (except for Help Disco: they weren't fucking around with wanting that place shut down, LOL).

If you have no concept about how things of this nature truly operate, just watch a few episodes of the Sopranos and multiply what you are seeing times 5 considering we are talking about a 3rd World Country as opposed to the US.

Just in case you guys have forgotten about the place we are talking about:

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[b]Investment Disputes[/b]

Currently, quite a few U.S. investors, ranging from large firms to private individuals, have disputes with the Dominican government and parastatal firms involving payments, expropriations, contractual obligations, or regulatory obligations. Regardless of whether they are located in a free-trade zone, companies have problems with dispute resolution, both with the Dominican government and with private-sector entities. [b]U.S. firms indicate that corruption on all levels business, government, and judicial in the Dominican Republic impedes their access to justice to defend their interests.[/b] Moreover, several large American firms have been subjects of injunctions issued by lower courts on the behalf of distributors with whom they are engaged in a contract dispute. These disputes are often the result of the firm seeking to end the relationship in accordance with the contract, and the distributor using the injunction as a way of obtaining a more beneficial settlement. [b]These injunctions often disrupt the American companies distribution activities, resulting in severe negative impact on sales. [red]Many U.S. companies seek local partners that are well-connected and understand the local business environment.[/red][/b]

[url]http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ics/2015/241541.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1907848]I think there is one other thing a lot of us are forgetting about: Follow the money trail.

Why do you these places haven't been bulldozed to the ground yet if they really wanted to do away with prostitution in Sosua? How does a guy like Armando, an Italian, set up shop and in a place like the DR and remain as successful as he did all those years without much interference from the locals?

Rumbas, Classicos, D'Latins, New Garden, etc. All you see are the faces of the owners. But you better believe they are kicking up a portion of their earnings to shadow players behind the scenes to continue to operate. Say what you want about the Wolf Pack/Weekend Ballers, but those dudes roll in and drop HUGE sums of cash over a short span of a few days (hotel rooms, those makeshift VIP Sections in Classicos, buying lots of bottles of alcohol, spending lots of money in the restaurants in the vicinity, etc), and there are others behind the scene getting a piece of this monetary action.

That is why I don't believe you guys should get all spooked about the real estate developments popping up. The one thing multinational companies or foreign entities HATE is to pay a bribe or extortion fees (or, in street slang, "being taxed"). I work for a very large multinational corporation, and we are set up in such that we would slit our collective throats before we paid out a bribe to "move things along. " Before the players behind the scenes just discard a place like Rumbas or Classicos, they are going to want to have something to replace that kickback cash flow. If those real estate developers are deciding they don't want to play ball, expect any transformation to happen a lot slower and places like Rumbas and Classicos to remain around much longer.

These type of people (most likely paid consultants for the multi national or foreign entity) like to show dazzling slide shows about how the local economy will grow and how jobs will be added, like they are trying to sell the idea to a local US Congressman. The local Dominicanos running the show behind the scenes don't care about none of this shit; they want to know how much they will be getting from this action and how long it will take for the action to start flowing into their pockets.

These club closings because they "don't have a license to operate" are just money shakedowns. It happens all the time in places like the Termas in Rio, and they re-open within a week or two (except for Help Disco: they weren't fucking around with wanting that place shut down, LOL).

If you have no concept about how things of this nature truly operate, just watch a few episodes of the Sopranos and multiply what you are seeing times 5 considering we are talking about a 3rd World Country as opposed to the US.

Just in case you guys have forgotten about the place we are talking about:

============

[b]Investment Disputes[/b]

Currently, quite a few U.S. investors, ranging from large firms to private individuals, have disputes with the Dominican government and parastatal firms involving payments, expropriations, contractual obligations, or regulatory obligations. Regardless of whether they are located in a free-trade zone, companies have problems with dispute resolution, both with the Dominican government and with private-sector entities. [b]U.S. firms indicate that corruption on all levels business, government, and judicial in the Dominican Republic impedes their access to justice to defend their interests.[/b] Moreover, several large American firms have been subjects of injunctions issued by lower courts on the behalf of distributors with whom they are engaged in a contract dispute. These disputes are often the result of the firm seeking to end the relationship in accordance with the contract, and the distributor using the injunction as a way of obtaining a more beneficial settlement. [b]These injunctions often disrupt the American companies distribution activities, resulting in severe negative impact on sales. [red]Many U.S. companies seek local partners that are well-connected and understand the local business environment.[/red][/b]

[url]http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/othr/ics/2015/241541.htm[/url][/QUOTE]The recent world Star hip hop video brought the US Embassy into to this as there are a lot of very angry senior officials because a black man hitting the Dominican prostitute for stealing. The US Embassy is working on this now and senior officials from the Dominican Government are very embarrassed and are angry and demanding change in Sosua now. When I say there are people very angry at the highest levels. Might be an understatement. That was the straw that broke this wide open. It has become very personel that is what I can tell you. Bribes our out as US Embassy is now involved and they could care less about tax revnue. You know this is a macho culture something about a black man hitting a Dominican women drove the Dominican government crazy.

[QUOTE=Revere;1907900]The recent world Star hip hop video brought the US Embassy into to this as there are a lot of very angry senior officials because a black man hitting the Dominican prostitute for stealing. The US Embassy is working on this now and senior officials from the Dominican Government are very embarrassed and are angry and demanding change in Sosua now. When I say there are people very angry at the highest levels. Might be an understatement. That was the straw that broke this wide open. It has become very personel that is what I can tell you. Bribes our out as US Embassy is now involved and they could care less about tax revnue. You know this is a macho culture something about a black man hitting a Dominican women drove the Dominican government crazy.[/QUOTE]Revere you are very well informed but you have to read between the lines on this one. The weekend wolf pack (Black guys) bring major cash into Sosua every weekend and are the lifeline for Sosua currently, kill that life line and it cripples Sosua tremendously.

The US embassy can only inquire and defer their finding to other agencies to work in for a conclusion, you give the US embassy too much credit. For instance: If you an American citizen make a complaint to the US embassy they can inquire to the Dominican authorities that they have a complaint and await a response. That response determines if a US citizen has had his rights violated and can pass on an investigation to the State department or the DEA, depending on which agency they deem should investigate. If the Dominican authorities make a complaint the US embassy can work with that agency to conduct an investigation. They are basically piggy backing the local investigation. This leads me to ask why the local authorities didn't handle the investigation and arrest the perpetrators? I can't believe a trick who got caught stealing and was assaulted could trigger a shut down in Sosua. We have seen Dominicans do this repeatedly with the Haitians when they need a " Fall guy".

The Dominicans want the wolf packs out of Sosua so the big money developers will be happy and can implement their plan.

[QUOTE=Revere;1907900]The recent world Star hip hop video brought the US Embassy into to this as there are a lot of very angry senior officials because a black man hitting the Dominican prostitute for stealing. The US Embassy is working on this now and senior officials from the Dominican Government are very embarrassed and are angry and demanding change in Sosua now. When I say there are people very angry at the highest levels. Might be an understatement. That was the straw that broke this wide open. It has become very personel that is what I can tell you. Bribes our out as US Embassy is now involved and they could care less about tax revnue. You know this is a macho culture something about a black man hitting a Dominican women drove the Dominican government crazy.[/QUOTE]Is that the video Mr. E posted a link to a little while ago (the one with the two dudes who both had man-tits)? I never watched the video to the end, but I didn't know that one of them hit a chica. That's pretty fucked up.

Now we all know a Dominicano will back-hand a chick in a New York Minute and no one will bat an eye, but you can't be coming down there as a foreigner thinking you can do as the Dominicano does.

But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908042]Is that the video Mr. E posted a link to a little while ago (the one with the two dudes who both had man-tits)? I never watched the video to the end, but I didn't know that one of them hit a chica. That's pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE]The guy in that video didn't hit the chick. He just lightly popped his wallet on top of her head.

From 3 to 7 chicas were being arrested if caught on the strip alone. I sat with friends in our spot across the street from Rumbas. The girls were in hiding. Bourbon ST is very popular spot for guys and girls. The food is wonderful and the location perfect. Classicos was looking normal except it closed at 12 am and by 12:15 everything was shut down. Will things get back to normal no one knows. At about 7 pm a white Dominican with his wife and daughter walked down the middle of the street with no putas in sight. I think a message was being sent. We are taking back our streets.

I picked a loser last night. She was young and attractive but tried the old bate and switch. I gave her the normal rate and kicked her out. To make up for it I did a 3 some that was excellent.

One of the girls put on a pussy eating clinic. I learned a few things. Signing off I have a private massage scheduled in 30 minutes. Happy endings guys.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908042]Is that the video Mr. E posted a link to a little while ago (the one with the two dudes who both had man-tits)? I never watched the video to the end, but I didn't know that one of them hit a chica. That's pretty fucked up.

Now we all know a Dominicano will back-hand a chick in a New York Minute and no one will bat an eye, but you can't be coming down there as a foreigner thinking you can do as the Dominicano does.

But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.[/QUOTE]SAVEPRO I totally agree. First, people are right he did not really hit her to us, but that is all semantics to us what they see is not what we see. You cannot justify it. What moron would then put that on world star hip hop for the world to see as if to brag about their exploits. You cannot have that low class I do not care mentality around because they have no respect for no one and as we now see ruin it for everybody. NO one can be surprised by this you all saw it and knew this was coming. Now we see the damage of what low class people can do to an environment.

Sorry about that wrong post.

Since English is my first language let me see if I understand what's being said here:

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908042]But no one will miss these types that visit Sosua. They give the rest of us a bad name. If in the end all of this makes it harder for those types to monger in the DR, then I'm all for the coming changes.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Revere;1908206]You cannot have that low class I do not care mentality around because they have no respect for no one and as we now see ruin it for everybody. NO one can be surprised by this you all saw it and knew this was coming. Now we see the damage of what low class people can do to an environment.[/QUOTE]You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.

Does a brother have a correct understand of the situation here?

[QUOTE=Revere;1907601]I thought about what you said you are absolutely right! The one place that could pull it off is boca chica. You do not have the same issues with a high end group not happy about the prostitution. Boca Chica really is an extension of santo domingo and the barrio. Now the italians there might not be happy, but the barrio rules boca chica at the end of the day and everyone knows the weekend there is everyone from santo domingo - they do not care and have no problem with your flow. It could work. To be honest, it could be better as airport has more flights to major cities and cheaper to get there. That is where it will happen and makes more sense. Unfortunately, the poor people in sosua who are the drivers and low income workers who depend on mongers lose.[/QUOTE]Yea Revere that's where the action use to be, Boca Chica back in the day was where a lot of the Santo Domingo getaways would go before Sosua became popular.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong. But all of this blame on the Weekend Warriors and the Wolf Pack's for the destruction of sosua is off. I don't see how these people are directly to blame for the destruction of the Sue. These people do not control the government nor do they control the quality of women or services. Dominican people controls its own culture. The Dominican women control the type of service. And the Dominican government controls it's on law enforcement. Whether it's the weekend warrior a wolf pack fraternity group the South Carolina lacrosse team the Harvard and Yale Polo Club or the solo freelancer, an American dollar is an American dollar and the Dominican doesn't care where it comes from. How foreigners are behaving means nothing to the Dominican people. How the hell can strange death and or abduction of a foreigner under unusual circumstances which a lot of time includes his Dominican girlfriend and her boyfriend get les presidents then a guy swinging on a prostitute. It's all Dominicans and there fight for decency among their people and dinero. The citizens of sosua are tired of there City being a Haven for prostitution. The vote was cast one candidate was for change the other candidate wanted things to stay the same. You cannot stop prostitution in the Dominican of Republic because it's legal. A lot of money goes in sosua from hotel chains and restaurants and Banks. A lot of money also goes out of sosua because most of the girls don't live there. The people in sosua have to live with their own shame of being labeled a prostitution destination. Since prostitution is the problem prostitution is the target. Weekend Warriors are not targeted Wolfpack are not targeted the solo Traveler is not targeted. It has nothing to do with them. I listen to the old heads talk. I heard about the rise and fall of Boca Chica. The Dominicans cops touts chicas business owners and local people would the destruction of their own demise. Sosua had less corruption geographically located away from Santo Domingo and Santiago and a Beach. The word got out about the money to be made in sosua among Dominicans. Santa Domingo cliqued up and change the format of service. No one complained. The crime rates skyrocket in sosua. No one complained. The quality of chica noticeably lessened and no one complained. I can only imagine how many complaints have been made to the US Embassy on behalf of its citizens about the treatment they received while in the Dominican of Republic. To think that one single incident that did not involve the death of a citizen can cause the USA Embassy to give a damn is Ludacris. The citizens of sosua and surrounding areas are tired of being labeled a sex tourist destination. They don't have enough power to change the national government. They are trying to change things the local government. It may be temporary it has been temporary before. It may be the end of something old and the start of something new. Or more typically the end of 1 area for a while back to the old area for a little.

It wasn't any weekend warrior or wolf pack that got Cuba Dave messed up. It was the Costa Rica people tired of the negative publicity and the government reacting. I'm just glad the Dominican Republic is like Cuba. Leave the tourists alone deal with your citizens. If they really wanted to stop the operation instead of locking all of these chica up on a weekly basis take a few hours and lock up some Gringos.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;1908298]

You want Nordstrom sexual services (GFE) at Walmart prices (1500 pesos). Then after the store opens (Sosua), you want complain when everyone (insert your favorite code meaning black guys without saying it in order to be politically correct here) who can afford the Walmart prices just like you shows up to shop.

[/QUOTE]Nordstrom? Walmart? What the fuck are you talking about man, lmao? Wait, please don't even answer that question.

I am Black, by the way. Now what?

I'm with Chris ([i]"Every time Black people want to have a good time, ignit-ass ni**as fuck it up"[/i]):

[B]Chris Rock - Black People VS. Ni**az (Bring the Pain 1996)[/B]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4[/URL]

20 years later this shit rings as true as the first time he laid it out (in front of an all-black audience mind you). If you can't tell the difference then so sorry for you.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1908408]This is probably the most retarded shit I've read all day. What the fuck are you talking about man, lmao? Wait, please don't even answer that question.

I am Black, by the way. Now what?

I'm with Chris ([i]"Every time Black people want to have a good time, ignit-ass ni**as fuck it up"[/i]):

[B]Chris Rock - Black People VS. Ni**az (Bring the Pain 1996)[/B]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4[/URL]

20 years later this shit rings as true as the first time he laid it out (in front of an all-black audience mind you). If you can't tell the difference then so sorry for you.[/QUOTE]Video so true! LOL let's go over this one more time. I am black and yes I like to be politically correct because I hate to put down my people, but my people sometimes do not know how to act. If we have learned anything from Cuba dave and columbia jake who are now both in jail right now do not promote sex tourism and make videos and talk about it. They at least did not make sex videos for the world to see. Have we not learned anything, but my people took it even further they take a video of a dominican women sucking his dick calls her a thief and hits her on her head with his wallet and then puts it on a site that can be described as ghetto for everyone to see and you ask why there is firestorm! My people had no sense and no class to think you can do that in a foreign country and it be okay. Last thing your a foriegn citizen you cannot disrespect their culture and think they will look the other way.

Now you tell me how that is snobbery saying you do not put a video up for the world to see of a dominican women sucking your dick in a foreign country. People have gone to jail for less. Something wrong with you i am serious for you to think you can act like that in a foreign country and you do not get in trouble. I am jealous of ballers. The scary thing you think it is okay. Why the fuck do you think police might start checking phones and looking for videos. But i am snob. I spoke to senior dominican official about this issue can you not read i have givien you perfect information. Have you spoken to a senior Dominican offical about this issue yes or no! Answer your so smart? Talk to me you embarrasing yourself. You do not know shit but you talking like you know something. You have proven exactly why they have close it down a dumb motherfucker thinks it is okay to put a video up on worldwide website of a black man have his dick sucked by a dominican prostitute in sosua. You think okay. Seriously, you that stupid tell me now please tell me your high