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[QUOTE=Marcos; 1490684]Sorry, with all the respect, I don't agree that 5K for an overnight is free, but more likely a 100% overpay.

Remember that all of our choices and actions will influence the future. That is the first enlightment Siddartha (the one who searches) Buddha received when sitting under a tree. Sitting on a disco sofa should make no difference to the wise man.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter;1490834]With regard to this particular context, me thinks Skogis just might be a little more in touch with the Buddha than you are![/QUOTE]Karma is a dubious explanation of cause and effect, like all religious explanations of natural phenomena. I think Adam Smith sheds more light on this matter: thousands of buyers and thousand of sellers working in something that more closely approximates a free market than many other industries. Occasionally an FL is desperate and sells her pu$$y cheap; sometimes a naive monger gets suckered into overpaying; most transactions are somewhere in between. No single transaction has a significant impact on the market rates.

Last nite I had a massage gal in China another guy raved about. For me even the massage sucked and she refusedto be touched while wanking my junk. Then she returned expecting a tip."no roaming, no tip is my rule. Next time I will ask what is verboten.

BJ in China.

1490863]Karma is a dubious explanation of cause and effect, like all religious explanations of natural phenomena. I think Adam Smith sheds more light on this matter: thousands of buyers and thousand of sellers working in something that more closely approximates a free market than many other industries. Occasionally an FL is desperate and sells her pu$$why cheap; sometimes a naive monger gets suckered into overpaying; most transactions are somewhere in between. No single transaction has a significant impact on the market rates.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marcos;1489265]Generally they are not the same girls at all. At they disco the ladies pay their own drinks and try to have a good time even without a customer. They may also decline your invitation for whatever reason. Instead street girls are compelled to work and I would not recommend them unless you really want to save few bahts. It's a different game altogether.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but that's simply hearsay and frankly a bunch of crock.

There is very little difference between street and disco freelancers. While there is a small subset of girls who work street-only or disco-only, countless times I've seen the same girls work various venues at different times (and offer different rates depending on the venue). I had a girl off the street for 1. 5k who charges 5k at CM2. When she can, but business is slow. The street girls are not pimped any more than disco ones (some do have Thai "boyfriends" to support, but that's up to them). They are not necessarily more desperate for business. In fact I presume after paying their own drinks and entry charges, they'd be more pressed to get a decent return.

Regarding dangers, Thai girls are generally safe apart from an occasional drugging. To prevent trouble, never flash valuables (better not even keep over 10k baht in your room, that's what banks are for) , *always* make the girl leave her I'd at the reception (no I'd no business) , and try not to take ones who are obviously ragged (Thais care about their appearance!) , drunk or high on yaba. Not being drunk beyond judgement yourself helps too. It's possible to have bad luck and get a problematic girl at any venue from agogo bars or "high-class" CM2 disco down to the street level.

All this is based in experience (including the occasional drugging part!) , not a "strong opinion" based on bar banter.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1490881]Sorry, but that's simply hearsay and frankly a bunch of crock.

All this is based in experience (including the occasional drugging part!) , not a "strong opinion" based on bar banter.[/QUOTE]Normally I don't dispute other's answers as in other discussions here when it's a matter of opinions, personal taste or spending but in this case is a simple fact: not true.

You can have the occasional girl working the street, going to the disco one or twice, or vice-versa, but that is not the norm, actually the opposite.

Again: you can have bar-girls, massage giirls, condo-sellers and do-nothing girls go to the disco every single night, but not the hardcore street walker.

Seen it personally in Bangkok, Pattaya, Patong, for many years and I have a special memory for faces and bodies.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1490889]Normally I don't dispute other's answers as in other discussions here when it's a matter of opinions, personal taste or spending but in this case is a simple fact: not true.

You can have the occasional girl working the street, going to the disco one or twice, or vice-versa, but that is not the norm, actually the opposite.

Again: you can have bar-girls, massage giirls, condo-sellers and do-nothing girls go to the disco every single night, but not the hardcore street walker.

Seen it personally in Bangkok, Pattaya, Patong, for many years and I have a special memory for faces and bodies.[/QUOTE]You will almost never sees SW at any of the more up-market discos let alone bars. An evening in Gullivers, often thin pickings, will convince you of this when none of the WGs are SWs. Perhaps the only possible example might be the Beer Garden on ski 7 where the FLs come and go soliciting business on their trips. But even they do not stand along Skvt.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1490684]Sorry, with all the respect, I don't agree that 5K for an overnight is free, but more likely a 100% overpay.

Remember that all of our choices and actions will influence the future. That is the first enlightment Siddartha (the one who searches) Buddha received when sitting under a tree. Sitting on a disco sofa should make no difference to the wise man.[/QUOTE]Free is ofcourse not the correct word but for such quality in both sexact and looks she earned every penny (and once again it was my choice only as she never mentioned anything around this). So as an exception I pleed not guilty you honor.

As for my contact with Buddha sitting or standing I strongly believe I will have to visit the devil when my time comes and sit on forkstick without any lubrication. So I better enjoy while I can. And I do.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1490684]Sorry, with all the respect, I don't agree that 5K for an overnight is free, but more likely a 100% overpay.

Remember that all of our choices and actions will influence the future. That is the first enlightment Siddartha (the one who searches) Buddha received when sitting under a tree. Sitting on a disco sofa should make no difference to the wise man.[/QUOTE]Real quality is priceless. Price differentials are justified. Girls are not commodities, but a human experience. Quality delivery certainly deserves a 100% mark-up. I am sure 5k is good karma.

[QUOTE=Terwagne;1491082]Real quality is priceless. Price differentials are justified. Girls are not commodities, but a human experience. Quality delivery certainly deserves a 100% mark-up. I am sure 5k is good karma.[/QUOTE]Overpayer's mantra. To no end.

You're overpaying because of your insecurity and inability to normally handle what is nothing more than a paid transaction. You want to be better and bigger than the previous and next guy.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1491106]Overpayer's mantra. To no end.

You're overpaying because of your insecurity and inability to properly handle what is nothing more than a paid transaction.[/QUOTE]I do not think insecurity and inability to handle a paid transaction is the reason for "overpaying." Getting into semantics discussion I think you have to define 'overpaying. ' I have a very firm idea of what I should pay for a vanilla f*ck both s / t and l / t. However if the lady goes way beyond my expectations I may well pay more. This you must understand is based on an agreed base price.

However if the particular WG hold out for 25 percent or more of my base price I may well agree particularly if it is late in the evening and particularly if our negotiations and discussions have been fun and interesting.

But insecure. No way,

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1491106]Overpayer's mantra. To no end.

You're overpaying because of your insecurity and inability to normally handle what is nothing more than a paid transaction. You want to be better and bigger than the previous and next guy.[/QUOTE]Sounds like both parties were happy. Were you present during the transaction? Do you know either party to the transaction? Do you know what you are talking about?

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1491113]Sounds like both parties were happy. Were you present during the transaction? Do you know either party to the transaction? Do you know what you are talking about?[/QUOTE]Seemed like the female party to the transaction was happy to begin with seeing she stayed so long and didn't ask for money. Maybe when she found 5000 baht in her purse she was not so happy to know that someone thought of her as a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1491106]Overpayer's mantra. To no end.[/QUOTE]Overpayers are great. The tales of overpaying losers serving up easy money for spreading legs make sure the market is re-stocked with fresh pussy.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1491106]You're overpaying because of your insecurity and inability to normally handle what is nothing more than a paid transaction.[/QUOTE]I think the Overpayer is somewhat related to the I Don't Wan't To Haggle guy who will instantly agree to whatever crazy number some country bumpkin will come up with. More fresh pussy coming onto the market.

Overpayers are great guys. Let them pay 5000 for what we hagglers get for 1000 (or even 500) on a rainy day when rent is due.

Life's good.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1491122]Seemed like the female party to the transaction was happy to begin with seeing she stayed so long and didn't ask for money. Maybe when she found 5000 baht in her purse she was not so happy to know that someone thought of her as a prostitute.[/QUOTE]That is possible, but you've been around long enough to know often, especially in the past, that was the way it was done. The lady put out, got paid, but it was done in a way she could delude herself into thinking she's not a working girl.

[QUOTE=Terwagne;1491082]Real quality is priceless. Price differentials are justified. Girls are not commodities, but a human experience. Quality delivery certainly deserves a 100% mark-up. I am sure 5k is good karma.[/QUOTE]You are purchasing a service. No need to romanticize it.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1491153]You are purchasing a service. No need to romanticize it.[/QUOTE]Some people do, some people do not. Each to their own. It is what makes us all a little bit different, and adds variety.

Everyone is paying for a certain need. Each persons needs are different. Neither group can claim to be more "right" than the other.

JoS

[QUOTE=Jack Of Spades; 1491160]Some people do, some people do not. Each to their own. It is what makes us all a little bit different, and adds variety.

Everyone is paying for a certain need. Each persons needs are different. Neither group can claim to be more "right" than the other.

JoS[/QUOTE]All of us do. Losing that perspective is what gets one in trouble. It is not about "right or wrong." It just is.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1491106]Overpayer's mantra. To no end.

You're overpaying because of your insecurity and inability to normally handle what is nothing more than a paid transaction. You want to be better and bigger than the previous and next guy.[/QUOTE]Perhaps some mongers need to get better and more well paid jobs so they stop complaining about what others pay. Bargaining over pocket change for sexual services is a really awesome way to spend a vacation.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1491195]All of us do. Losing that perspective is what gets one in trouble. It is not about "right or wrong." It just is.[/QUOTE]It's like debating objectivity vs subjectivity. Objectively, the first approach is right, except from a subjective point of view.

Yet. I can't fathom myself paying twice as much the going rate, for anything.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1491132]That is possible, but you've been around long enough to know often, especially in the past, that was the way it was done. The lady put out, got paid, but it was done in a way she could delude herself into thinking she's not a working girl.[/QUOTE]But if she really isn't working she could be very offended. Has happened to me.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1491229]But if she really isn't working she could be very offended. Has happened to me.[/QUOTE]Wow, that would be embarrassing. I can understand how that would really pi$$ off a lady, and probably reduce the likelihood of a repeat. I've been lucky, never had it happen to me, but I've devolved into a total working girl-monger and only f*ck pros.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1491209]It's like debating objectivity vs subjectivity. Objectively, the first approach is right, except from a subjective point of view.

Yet. I can't fathom myself paying twice as much the going rate, for anything.[/QUOTE]Me neither. I liken it to walking into a car dealership knowing what the price is and then offering double. One would probably never do that, yet dudes do it all the time with pr*stitutes. Just dumb if you ask me.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1491237]Me neither. I liken it to walking into a car dealership knowing what the price is and then offering double.[/QUOTE]You go into a car dealer and HE tells you a price double what it is worth and you pay.

Come to think of it that is just what second hand car dealers do!

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1491242]You go into a car dealer and HE tells you a price double what it is worth and you pay.

Come to think of it that is just what second hand car dealers do![/QUOTE]Yep, there is a sucker born every minute!

I arrived yesterday at Suvarnabhumi, I have always been to the departure level to catch a taxi. Not really to save 50THB, but mostly to get a taxi right away and not wait in line at the basement level taxi line.

Yesterday, they had put in place one way gates to prevent people like me to reach the taxi, to be sure nobody would jump the small gate they also have put gate attendants. Luckily there wasn't a long line at the regular taxi line downstairs but be warned.

[QUOTE=Gypsie King; 1491489]I arrived yesterday at Suvarnabhumi, I have always been to the departure level to catch a taxi. Not really to save 50THB, but mostly to get a taxi right away and not wait in line at the basement level taxi line.

Yesterday, they had put in place one way gates to prevent people like me to reach the taxi, to be sure nobody would jump the small gate they also have put gate attendants. Luckily there wasn't a long line at the regular taxi line downstairs but be warned.[/QUOTE]I wonder when the gates when up? A one-way gate is a disaster waiting to happen if they needed to evacuate the terminal in a hurry. Anyway, thanks for the update! I guess it's another reason to use the BTS or MRT.

[QUOTE=Yujin;1491542]I wonder when the gates when up? A one-way gate is a disaster waiting to happen if they needed to evacuate the terminal in a hurry. Anyway, thanks for the update! I guess it's another reason to use the BTS or MRT.[/QUOTE]Who spend US$750 plus to get to BKK and then begrudge US$ 15 max on a taxi downtown.

Be careful. The final cost might be a lot more than the negotiated agreement!

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/10/31/fda-warns-passengers-from-a-new-taxi-scam/[/url]

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1491572]Who spend US$750 plus to get to BKK and then begrudge US$ 15 max on a taxi downtown.[/QUOTE]Probably someone who does not like to be ripped off. I wouldn't mind paying $15 for a taxi somewhere that it costs to take a taxi for $15, but I have a serious problem paying $15 for a taxi somewhere that it costs $7 to take a taxi.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1491572]Who spend US$750 plus to get to BKK and then begrudge US$ 15 max on a taxi downtown.[/QUOTE]Some one like me who flies in from Phnom Penh for $50, but thankfully Air Asia is flying into Don Muang now. So you can still walk out of customs turn left and walk to the end of the Terminal. Then go upstairs to departures and catch a cab for less than 300 Baht to Nana.

Not that I stay there, but in the area, but you do have a point, because that 500 Baht I saved will soon be wasted on some lady drinks that night getting on the good side of mamason to ensure I have her latest or best model available.

Cheers,

GM

PS see you soon.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1491645]Probably someone who does not like to be ripped off. I wouldn't mind paying $15 for a taxi somewhere that it costs to take a taxi for $15, but I have a serious problem paying $15 for a taxi somewhere that it costs $7 to take a taxi.[/QUOTE]Yes, Mr. E I agree at Suvarnabhumi the taxi service is a big rip off. I don't remember what they wanted, but I remember it pissing me off. I ended up meeting up with a guy in the airport and we split a private cab to Pattaya that was only 1200 Baht. (600 each)

Pattaya or Bangkok it's all the same to me unless I have plans in Bangkok, but it's a shorter trip to Pattaya from Suvarnabhumi, than Don Muang.

Now that Air Asia is flying into Don Muang I'm seeing more of Bangkok lately.

Cheers,

GM

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1491645]Probably someone who does not like to be ripped off. I wouldn't mind paying $15 for a taxi somewhere that it costs to take a taxi for $15, but I have a serious problem paying $15 for a taxi somewhere that it costs $7 to take a taxi.[/QUOTE]I have travelled to and from the Airport, ranging from Skvt Soi 2 to Soi 33 at least four times a year. Excluding tolls I have only paid more than Baht 350. 400, once and that because of a massive traffic jam. The lowest price at 0600 on a Sunday morning was Baht 250 so I don't think you are being ripped off in the least. And quibbling about $7-8 over the cheapest rate is nonsense compared to the inconvenience of public transport.

I must admit if you enter Thailand with the feeling that you are being ripped off the moment you leave the Airport does not auger well for a happy trip when you meet up with the rip off of bar fines and lady drinks at Baht 200 plus.

[QUOTE=Gypsie King; 1491489]I arrived yesterday at Suvarnabhumi, I have always been to the departure level to catch a taxi. Not really to save 50THB, but mostly to get a taxi right away and not wait in line at the basement level taxi line.

Yesterday, they had put in place one way gates to prevent people like me to reach the taxi, to be sure nobody would jump the small gate they also have put gate attendants. Luckily there wasn't a long line at the regular taxi line downstairs but be warned.[/QUOTE]Written Thailand but spelt Singapore. Where we'll end!?!

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1491572]Who spend US$750 plus to get to BKK and then begrudge US$ 15 max on a taxi downtown.[/QUOTE]It's not just the money-in the day the rail link is much faster-you can get stuck in traffic forever.

At night the taxi is a viable option. I took a meter guy upstairs last time and paid under 200 to Soi Cowboy.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1491650]And quibbling about $7-8 over the cheapest rate is nonsense compared to the inconvenience of public transport.

I must admit if you enter Thailand with the feeling that you are being ripped off the moment you leave the Airport does not auger well for a happy trip when you meet up with the rip off of bar fines and lady drinks at Baht 200 plus.[/QUOTE]When did public transportation come into the picture? Now you are comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying that I have problems. I make the taxi run the meter and know the general cost of where I am going. I don't pay bar fines and I don't buy lady drinks. I live in Pattaya and I speak a bit of Thai. From my experience, once the girls and taxi drivers and police and anybody else know that you live here and not just visiting then it is a totally different ballgame. Once I start speaking in Thai and whip out my Thai driver's license then it is like,"Oh shit. Sorry for trying to rip you off." Lady drink? I'm not into wining and dining hookers (I save that for regular women.) Bar fine? Wrong answer. You call me after you get off work for 1000 baht LT.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1491701]When did public transportation come into the picture? Now you are comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying that I have problems. I make the taxi run the meter and know the general cost of where I am going. I don't pay bar fines and I don't buy lady drinks. I live in Pattaya and I speak a bit of Thai. From my experience, once the girls and taxi drivers and police and anybody else know that you live here and not just visiting then it is a totally different ballgame. Once I start speaking in Thai and whip out my Thai driver's license then it is like,"Oh shit. Sorry for trying to rip you off." Lady drink? I'm not into wining and dining hookers (I save that for regular women.) Bar fine? Wrong answer. You call me after you get off work for 1000 baht LT.[/QUOTE]About rates for taxis and being ripped off.

I merely suggested that based on the meter cars it was stupid not too use a taxi at the end of a long flight. Yes taxis / public transport are apples and oranges and I prefer my taxi apples to public transport oranges.

I am not going to pursue bar fines, lady drinks. That is not the issue.

[QUOTE=Bro2012; 1491619]Be careful. The final cost might be a lot more than the negotiated agreement!

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/10/31/fda-warns-passengers-from-a-new-taxi-scam/[/url][/QUOTE]As most Thai newslines, this one is sadly ridiculous, as that's not a scam, if true that's kidnapping, armed robbery and bodily harm. Got to love the final part part of the article:

"FDA officials suggested that if you suddenly feel nauseous while using the services of a taxi cab, you should roll down the taxi's windows."

And it ends there. And then what, pay and be proud you didn't fell for it?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1491701]When did public transportation come into the picture? Now you are comparing apples to oranges. I'm not saying that I have problems. I make the taxi run the meter and know the general cost of where I am going. I don't pay bar fines and I don't buy lady drinks. I live in Pattaya and I speak a bit of Thai. From my experience, once the girls and taxi drivers and police and anybody else know that you live here and not just visiting then it is a totally different ballgame. Once I start speaking in Thai and whip out my Thai driver's license then it is like,"Oh shit. Sorry for trying to rip you off." Lady drink? I'm not into wining and dining hookers (I save that for regular women.) Bar fine? Wrong answer. You call me after you get off work for 1000 baht LT.[/QUOTE]Mr E, just don' t feed the troll. As someone eloquently said on the CM board:

[quote=Arthur Tick]You are just an irritating flaming troll, rude and obnoxious, who lacks the intellect to make any informative comments or reports, but instead has to respond with insults and personal attacks in order to compensate for your lack of ability to give any constructive reports of your own.[/quote]BTW, I've neither ever paid a barfine or LD. I've found that in doing so I became a better monger with a fatter wallet.

I find it amusing that some out there still can't tell the difference between working girls and non working girls. To be sure some working girls are well skilled in the art of seduction where the innocent punter feels he is the man of her dreams. So a few simple pointers.

Consider the circumstances in which you met. If it was anywhere in the P4P loop between Nana car park and the high end clubs she's working.

If she doesn't ask for money but suggests shopping she's working. If there is a mention of illness, out of order or missing I Phones, family issues requiring financial assistance or any other sad circumstance she is working.

If in doubt before she leaves the love nest try asking for her number and tell her you will call. If she smiles and says oh please do, well who knows you may have met the woman of your dreams and she the man of her dreams.

Bottom line if she is street smart, knows you are around for a while, feels you are naïve, she will forego her short time fee for longer time gains. Do not mistake this for a fondness for you. That said the exception proves the rule.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1491732]Mr E, just don' t feed the troll. As someone eloquently said on the CM board:

BTW, I've neither ever paid a barfine or LD. I've found that in doing so I became a better monger with a fatter wallet.[/QUOTE]With some useful comments. Actually I find the odd lady drink is a good way of assessing the talent before possibly paying a starfish. No doubt the absence of paying for lady drinks contributes to the fact that there are claims that there is no pussy in CM.

As to bar fines. I just factor then into the cost of doing business since a fatter wallet often means limited activity. Not my life style.

We all have different ways of operating; I tolerate others even tho' I may disagree.

[QUOTE=Bro2012; 1491619]Be careful. The final cost might be a lot more than the negotiated agreement!

[url]http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/10/31/fda-warns-passengers-from-a-new-taxi-scam/[/url][/QUOTE]How in the hell did the FDA get involved? The agency responsible for making sure the foods and drugs Americans consume is safe is now issuing warnings against foreign taxi ripoffs? Isn't this the purview of the State Department?

But I digress. If the drivers puts this mystery substance into the A / C system in order to incapacitate the passengers, why doesn't it also incapacitate the driver? Secret hidden nostril filters? Shades of Get Smart! This whole thing sounds a lot like the drug-laced nipple urban legend.

What utter bullshit.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1491650]I have travelled to and from the Airport, ranging from Skvt Soi 2 to Soi 33 at least four times a year. Excluding tolls I have only paid more than Baht 350. 400, once and that because of a massive traffic jam. The lowest price at 0600 on a Sunday morning was Baht 250 so I don't think you are being ripped off in the least. And quibbling about $7-8 over the cheapest rate is nonsense compared to the inconvenience of public transport.

I must admit if you enter Thailand with the feeling that you are being ripped off the moment you leave the Airport does not auger well for a happy trip when you meet up with the rip off of bar fines and lady drinks at Baht 200 plus.[/QUOTE]got to side with Mr. S on this one. I've taken taxis from Swampy to lower Suk, and back, many, many times. The rates have all fallen within his range, depending on traffic. Snagging a taxi at the departure level doesn't save a substantial amount and is, in fact, unfair to the other drivers who play by the rules and queue up.

There are cheaper alternatives, certainly, but the taxis at the airport are hardly a ripoff. I guess nobody's taken a taxi in Phuket before?

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1491825]How in the hell did the FDA get involved? The agency responsible for making sure the foods and drugs Americans consume is safe is now issuing warnings against foreign taxi ripoffs? Isn't this the purview of the State Department?[/quote]Thailand uses the same name for their FDA and perhaps being this drug-related they released the statement.

[quote]But I digress. If the drivers puts this mystery substance into the A / C system in order to incapacitate the passengers, why doesn't it also incapacitate the driver? Secret hidden nostril filters? Shades of Get Smart! This whole thing sounds a lot like the drug-laced nipple urban legend.

What utter bullshit.[/QUOTE]Not so fast, read on the Pattaya forum and on the news about the guy that got drugged and crazed badly, actually it happened more than once in Pattaya already. These people did not even went close to a woman, at least willingly.

Went there last month, September.

I must say the experience they offered is really an eye opener for me. I can never find this type of massage in Singapore. Not sure its the same case for Thailand.

I really enjoy foreplay and the lady gives good foreplay and service. From inside the tub to the bed.

Honesty speaking, the lady reception is very friendly and gave very good service. I don't even feel like going into a place for sex. After service, the receptionist asked for feedback and ask how I get to know of this place. She even walked me down the stairs and big goodbye.

I must say the receptionist had very good figures.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1491650]I must admit if you enter Thailand with the feeling that you are being ripped off the moment you leave the Airport does not auger well for a happy trip when you meet up with the rip off of bar fines and lady drinks at Baht 200 plus.[/QUOTE]For far too many people the world is one which everyone is trying to rip them off. They end up bitter with the world. Last week I was collecting my VAT refund cash an some member of he Commonwealth was screaming at h cashiers. The explained that he had to visit the inspection desk before passing through immigration. He went ballistic, crumpled his form and threw it at them brought h window and start yelling about what a. Craphole their country is.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1491983]For far too many people the world is one which everyone is trying to rip them off. They end up bitter with the world. Last week I was collecting my VAT refund cash an some member of he Commonwealth was screaming at h cashiers. The explained that he had to visit the inspection desk before passing through immigration. He went ballistic, crumpled his form and threw it at them brought h window and start yelling about what a. Craphole their country is.[/QUOTE]There are too many people who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. I come to Thailand with a fat wallet for fun; I intend to go home with an empty wallet. If the baht leak to fast I slow down; if there is an excess at the end I splurge. I hope I am quick to recognise the cultural and practical differences. And resolve many problems by sitting backhand having another Singha.

Vey few Thais try and rip you off. Many tourists automatically think they are being ripped of. That's the conundrum.

Went to Eden Club on Sukhumvit 7/1 earlier this year, just getting a report back in to help, I haven't seen much about it here, it seems the Pattaya one is much more popular, so I'll give a blow by blow on the process of the Bangkok one. It was good time, PSE type place, albeit rather mechanical / scripted and planned events, though very enthusiastic the whole.

Arrived early evening, I was the only one there. Greeted by the white-french owner who gave me the rundown. Two girls, set price 4500 baht, no more, no tip. Both bisexual, one side of the yellow line does anal, the other doesn't. You choose one girl, and she chooses the other, you get 1:45. He asked for the line up. 5 girls on the anal side, about 8 on the other one, the non-anal side included most of the younger / better looking ones. Choose the best of the anal side, mid-30s, but good body, ok face, and she choose a busty girl from the other side so that worked well. Oddly enough, after I selected the ladies, I took a second glance and realized there was a quite attractive girl on the anal side, who was positioned on the side wall instead of the back wall, and I simply didn't notice her, but would have picked her. She gave me a confused "Really, not me?" look, and she was right, but I already had my girls, so whatever.

Get up to the room, pretty nice. Large bed, large shower, TV playing porn, lots of mirrors, and was hotel room type clean. The girls told me their names, but they were long unpronounceable thai names, so I'll call the anal one A and the other N (for no anal). N and I got in the shower, and she cleaned me, soapy style, including clean my butt (I'll get to that). Then cleaned herself. After about 5 minutes we leave the shower, dry off, and A jumps in real quick while N and I were on the bed talking. When A is ready, per their instructions, I lay on my back, N gives a rim job and A gives oral. Mixes up a bit, but we go until cim on A in this general manner. After I finish, they clean up and seem rather uninterested in anything going on besides that, but eventually come back into bed. As I'm not ready to go again, I ask if they can with each other for a bit while I get ready, which they promptly ignore. About 5 mins or so more, I ask again, and again just ignore it. A speaks good English, N low-moderate, A is translating for N though on random conversations.

Eventually, for whatever reasons, the girls simply decide its time to start again, and yes it seems quite scripted. N lays down missionary, A puts on strap on, instructs me to stand over N so she can give me oral while A does her with the strap on. N can't wait to start giving oral it seems (I think just to go through the motions and get it done with) , N and I start, then A starts on her, N isn't fazed by being fucked and proceeds to give crazy oral for a while then has me fuck her mouth. That happens for a few minutes, then the girls switch positions, A doing oral on me and N using the strap on. N seems to be very happy to be using the strap on, A is all about giving head. After a little, I ask to fuck, N quickly takes the strap on off, puts a condom on me and I start on N missionary, then doggie. I inquire about anal, A gets quite excited and says,"yes, yes on me anal" jumps down in doggie immediately, lubes up a bit and very enthusiastically tells me to do her. She takes it like a pornstar, clearly enjoying it, for a while, until I finish.

We all rest and clean up. I want to go a third time, and this seems perfectly fine. I ask them to get started on each other and I'll join in when I'm ready (I thought it was a threesome still). They promptly ignore me and continue the conversation we were having. A while later again they simply decide, ok its time to start. Again N lays down and gives me oral, then A begins giving oral to N. N finishes, they switch, A gives me oral, and is getting it from N. A finishes. They both seemed to enjoy going down on each other, but again the focus was really on me not each other, it was just so I can see them getting off I think. A asks me to do anal to her, yes she asked me, which we do, she plays with herself during it, and finishes from anal. Being my third session, I'm able to hold out a long time. I lay back, N gives me oral, while A gets in a sort of sideways 69 on my side and me and A both play with her pussy together, and she is getting wild and way into it. A finishes again, I'm still holding out. A gives N a break and does oral to me for a little, then hands it back to N, while A and I do boobs and DFK. A says if I don't finish soon, she is up for more anal or sex. But N is doing really well and I finish up cim.

Time is about up, we shower, go downstairs, pay my fee and leave, no hassle, no tip, just pay and go.

So overall, very good PSE type experience. A bit mechanical, but the girls were into it, so it wasn't that big of an issue. I did expect this to be more of a three-way, which it is not. The girls are exclusively focused on you, not each other, or anything else, just your dick, if you're dick ain't be pleased per the guidelines, they are not getting involved or paying attention and will stop until you are being pleased. Not sure if that was good or bad though. The interaction between the girls was only per their script, again all action on my little guy. A was way into everything, N was into pleasing me per the script, but otherwise going through the motions. Would I repeat? Yes. I can certainly get better looking girls elsewhere, they weren't too good looking here, but the service was excellent, and the price fair.

Dear all,

I will be visiting Bangkok for the first time by end of November. Unfortunately, I will stay just little less than 24 hours, arriving on Saturday afternoon (3pm) and leaving on Sunday morning (9am). I will be staying at the Shangri La.

And there are two things I really want, need, have, must try:

1. A real (and hopefully unforgettable) thai, body massage (obviously, with some extra).

2. A nice pick up joint: bar, nightclub, or, given my limited time, a good escort agency.

Any thoughts, recommendations or advice are much appreciated.

Obviously, I full report will follow after the trip.

Went to Dr BJs, late afternoon, I was a bit tipsy already from drinking on Sukhumvit bars on the day-time happy hours. Lots of girls hanging around outside, go in, they call them all over, some are 1000 some are 700, there seemed to be no difference in the quality of girls or service for the price, but the one I liked (I think her name tag was X) was a 1000 girl, so I got her. The downstairs area is quite clean and nice, just like the pictures. Upstairs is different story. We go up to the "rooms" which are basically a long hallway with about 5 artificial wood rooms built in to them, more like wood office cubicles, but with doors, and 3/4 sized walls, open air on the top. Very bright.

The inside of the rooom and a chair, a sink and was very small, enough room for her to get in front of you when you're on the chair and to turn and use the sink is all. I undress, she washes me in the sink, and cleans her hands and mouth. Sit down in the chair, she starts oral, after a minute or so I take her shirt off and do some boobie play, then TF and more oral. Good deepthroat skills the whole time, but for a girl who does this for a living, I expected much more, but she gave it her all, and it was enjoyable, but far from the best BJs I've had. CIM, we clean up again in the sink, all done and settled, No tip, just flat 1000 baht fee.

No hassle, good enough looking girls, mostly private, sink to clean up in, set price. As good of service can probably be found cheaper in another place, but when the difference is only 100-300 baht or so, whatever.

[QUOTE=Glamour1;1492009]Went to Eden Club on Sukhumvit 7/1 earlier this year, just getting a report back in to help, I haven't seen much about it here, it seems the Pattaya one is much more popular, so I'll give a blow by blow on the process of the Bangkok one. It was good time, PSE type place, albeit rather mechanical / scripted and planned events, though very enthusiastic the whole.[/QUOTE]Good to see that the Eden Club is still going strong in Bangkok and that the French guy, Marc, is still running the place. It is over 10 years since I was last there and Gina (left of the line) was my favourite then. She was a great performer and I often wonder what happened to her.

Sandman

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff; 1484761]Skogis I am a fan of your posts and adventures in Bangkok but this has to go down as the one I disagree with most. Of course that guy has a lot to learn. The classy girl of his dreams that met him at his hotel is no amateur. The rate I'm going, there's a small chance she's taken my load to the face. Also, the longer you stay here, the 9's start to become becomes 5's. I don't think guys know how stacked this country is with incredibly gorgeous women, most who never associate with westerners.

I see no obligation to pay a girl that has no interest in your money. Especially for a guy like me who doesn't have significantly more money then the girls I mess with. And the ones who do, shame on them because I give no indication that I am interested in paying for their pussy. Of course, if you are at a beer bar or have streetwalkers outside your hotel, then there is more of an obligation. A good way to make this clear is to go out to dinner and not pay for her meal.

I am an average guy fucking a different...[/QUOTE]I'm reading your judgment of my rating. Man I have fucked amazing girl from Russia, Thai, China, Ukraine south America, Spain. That you can just dream of. Don't worry for my rating. When I say 7 it's a 9 for an average Joe which I'm not. However I do agree with you that pristine TOP thai girl do not even interact with westerners.

I have been through this phase of a 8 becoming a 6 during my first long trip to Thai. (I stayed almost 2 months). Before going there I took number from girls on a website. I thought those girl were wow when compared to the rest of Thai they were girl you glad to fuck but nothing fancy for Thailand. And my second months I just stopped website and met girls mostly in real.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1484670]Haha I guess you will get some rants for this post but what the heck. There are some differences between you and me. The most obvious is that I compensate girls for use of their pussy almost without exceptions. People know me knows I have quite a large fleet of none P4P who are more than willing to meet up when I am in town. A few of them hi so girls as well. Lately I have start making donation to them as well as it is only fair. 2 examples: One mix thaigirl with a fairly known face I purchased a first class ticket for a luxury weekendfuckfiesta in Beijing some weeks back (one way to compensate) as she does not like to operate in BKK partywice and ecspecially not with a male. Another girl I know is cabincrew and makes easily 100K a month but I still want to compensate her so she will not get any crazy ideas me and her are more than fuckbuddies (Prada sunglasses last time another way of compensating). It is my way of keeping a comfortable distance as I have a GF back home and want to stick with her.

It is fairly known during certain circumstances even workinggirls can throw in freebies if they think they can lure you into a relationship of some sort. They view it as some sort of investment for a brighter future. Well well atleast I think it is very cheap out of you not to even offer the girls some cash / gifts or whatever. For the male ego it is allways nice to throw in a freebie here and there but dealing with ladies earning maby in a year what I make in a week would make me feel very bad about myself (I am not talking about my 2 mentioned examples)..QUOTE]Well, I am still talking to most of those girls by whatsapp. Let me explain you one thing. Apart from the massage girl to who I gave a bill. I am pretty sure all the other girl I have met in BKK would have slapt my face hard if I tried to give them money!

But we must not be dating the same species of girl.

I find your "I'm proud to pay" approach to be the most ridiculous things I have read here in ISG. If I feel a girl is in need I would definitely consider it (by the way I saw the massage girl a second time and gave her 2000 that time) , but how I am suppose to pay for a girl who has a good income and enjoyed spending time with me as much as the other way around. Yes Skogis. Sometime is it just as simple as that and do not involve money but just pleasure of the encounter. And personally I do not mind if the girl think it could be more than just sex as I am single and why not?

Oh and BTW. I'm living in a very comfortable way. But I would rather put my money into people who matter to me, who really need it (I tip a lot basic worker in Thailand) or even in new wheels rather than in a girl who do not need it and do not want it. But as you said. You and me are very different.

Hehe nothing wrong with your selfconfidence as a keyboardwarrior and probably you have obviously extremely high thoughts of yourself. My "proud to pay" (also meaning gifts) statement is ofcourse based upon my experience as this is something I have started the last year. Obviously real P4P I have allways paid ofcourse as I am not a cheapskate. Having freebies is no big art and even if it is stupid to you or others I like to give everyone some sort of compensation gifts / money. Maby I was unclear in my post earlier. Ofcourse many of my regulars are well off and would be highly offended if cash changes owner due to sexual activity. I am a bad shopper though so I take my time to explain sometimes:"this is only a gift and as I have no time to go shopping with you, here you have a little something (cash) to buy yourself the Prada sunglasses I know you want".

And to your ratingsystem how can you possible know your ratingsystem are of such superb quality that your girls rated as 7 would be 9 by others? Hehe I think you are just high on testos (so you are excused) and are working to find your own style. And ofcourse that is fun. I wish you best of luck. But by time when you like me become 40yrs and hopefully successful you start to calm down and no longer needs to think everything you do is of supreme quality (I think of your ratingsystem).

So as I have GF back home it gives me a real pleasure to compensate girls no matter what. I pay out of guilt sometimes as I know some of these ladies travel far to see me and want me to skip my GF back home. I. E last Thursday one thaiamerican girl flew in from USA to BKK to meet me. Ofcourse that makes me want to give her some money for the nice Chanel purse I know she wants. Ofcourse I don't give "gifts" to my regulars everytime but when I feel like. Atleast not this one as I often meet her also in europe and even worse in my own country (that is scary when they start to visit your homeground).

Obviously these girls are in no need of my help whatsoever. They are only some from my fleet of girls located in most SEA countries (x Japan / Korea / Cambodia / Laos). Still it makes me feel good to give gifts(money). Especially now when xmas is around the corner. Many of these girls have been stuck with me for quite some time now. Ofcourse some come and some go as i encourage them to find other guy than me for relationship purposes but if they do that does not mean we dont jump into bed every now and then as we have some sort of history.

[QUOTE=Mitu33; 1491950]Went there last month, September.

I must say the experience they offered is really an eye opener for me. I can never find this type of massage in Singapore. Not sure its the same case for Thailand.

I really enjoy foreplay and the lady gives good foreplay and service. From inside the tub to the bed.

Honesty speaking, the lady reception is very friendly and gave very good service. I don't even feel like going into a place for sex. After service, the receptionist asked for feedback and ask how I get to know of this place. She even walked me down the stairs and big goodbye.

I must say the receptionist had very good figures.[/QUOTE]I would have invited here for drinks / food after working time, LOL.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1492607]Hehe nothing wrong with your selfconfidence as a keyboardwarrior and probably you have obviously extremely high thoughts of yourself. My "proud to pay" (also meaning gifts) statement is ofcourse based upon my experience as this is something I have started the last year. Obviously real P4P I have allways paid ofcourse as I am not a cheapskate. Having freebies is no big art and even if it is stupid to you or others I like to give everyone some sort of compensation gifts / money. Maby I was unclear in my post earlier. Ofcourse many of my regulars are well off and would be highly offended if cash changes owner due to sexual activity. I am a bad shopper though so I take my time to explain sometimes:"this is only a gift and as I have no time to go shopping with you, here you have a little something (cash) to buy yourself the Prada sunglasses I know you want".

And to your ratingsystem how can you possible know your ratingsystem are of such superb quality that your girls rated as 7 would be 9 by others? Hehe I think you are just high on testos (so you are excused) and are working to find your own style. And ofcourse that is fun. I wish you best of luck. But by time when you like me become 40yrs and hopefully successful you start to calm down and no longer needs to think everything you do is of supreme quality (I think of your ratingsystem)..[/QUOTE]Why not fucking them in Santa Clause costume then?

By the time I am 30 something, I just hope to get a wife and kids and not ending up beeing "compensating my girls all around the world".

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1492607]Hehe nothing wrong with your selfconfidence as a keyboardwarrior and probably you have obviously extremely high thoughts of yourself. My "proud to pay" (also meaning gifts) statement is of course based upon my experience as this is something I have started the last year. Obviously real P4P I have allways paid of course as I am not a cheapskate. Having freebies is no big art and even if it is stupid to you or others I like to give everyone some sort of compensation gifts / money. Maybe I was unclear in my post earlier. Of course many of my regulars are well off and would be highly offended if cash changes owner due to sexual activity. I am a bad shopper though so I take my time to explain sometimes:"this is only a gift and as I have no time to go shopping with you, here you have a little something (cash) to buy yourself the Prada sunglasses I know you want".

And to your rating system how can you possible know your rating system are of such superb quality that your girls rated as 7 would be 9 by others? Hehe I think you are just high on testos (so you are excused) and are working to find your own style. And ofcourse that is fun. I wish you best of luck. But by time when you like me become 40yrs and hopefully successful you start to calm down and no longer needs to think everything you do is of supreme quality (I think of your rating system)..[/QUOTE]Do you mainly speak of the glasses and bags girl want by Skype? "the bag I know she wants". Is it your tactic. All I am reading is so lame, I would actually think you make up stories as it sounds to lame to be true.

Concerning my rating, simple, a few years ago I loved to go to AMP cause pure WG is not really my thing. And I have seen the dozens if not more of girls which were rated on ISG. In 3-4 different cities.

And with consistency, I could say that what guys have rated 8-9 where 5-7 to me. I even left places which was "full of 8".

Also, I have been putting quite a few pictures of what I have been fucking. And most guys would be agreed with my rating if not rating it higher.

Yes I am cocky a bit, no problem accepting that. But doesn't mean that I lie or exaggerate stuff I am writing.

Some more clues on whether she is a working girl or not?

If you're over 40 with a gut: She's working.

If you are over 50 gut or no gut: She's working.

If she tells you she loves your dick and lost count of the number of times she came: She's working.

If she looks lovingly into your eyes, moans while giving a slurpy blow job: She's working.

If she expertly puts on the condom (that she just happened to have) with her mouth: She's working.

If she tells you she doesn't normally sleep with men but you're so handsome and funny: She's working.

[QUOTE=Franciscass; 1492832]Some more clues on whether she is a working girl or not?

If you're over 40 with a gut she's working.

If you are over 50 gut or no gut she's working.

If she tells you she loves your dick and lost count of the number of times she came she's working.

If she looks lovingly into your eyes, moans while giving a slurpy blow job she's working.

If she expertly puts on the condom with her mouth that she just happened to have she's working.

If she tells you she doesn't normally sleep with men but you're so handsome and funny she's working.[/QUOTE]Great Stuff, Franciscass.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492818]By the time I am 30 something, I just hope to get a wife and kids[/QUOTE]Be careful what you ask for, PP6, you might get it.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492824]Do you mainly speak of the glasses and bags girl want by Skype?"the bag I know she wants". Is it your tactic. All I am reading is so lame, I would actually think you make up stories as it sounds to lame to be true.

Concerning my rating, simple, a few years ago I loved to go to AMP cause pure WG is not really my thing. And I have seen the dozens if not more of girls which were rated on ISG. In 3-4 different cities.

And with consistency, I could say that what guys have rated 8-9 where 6. 5-7 to me. I even left places which was "full of 8".

Also, I have been putting quite a few pictures of what I have been fucking. And most guys would be agreed with my rating if not rating it higher.

Yes I am cocky a bit, no problem accepting that. But doesn't mean that I lie or exaggerate stuff I am writing.[/QUOTE]Can not see any pics posted by you. I am very excited to see some of your stunning beauties as I am sure they must be top notche based on your unique ratingsystem. I have read some of your very short posting history and so far I am not so impressed. Seems you also steel money from WG as well (I am refering to your post in UAE thread) what an honorable thing to do. You have the highest credibility amongst the posters in ISG so far. Merry Christmas.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492824]I have seen the dozens if not more of girls which were rated on ISG. In 3-4 different cities. And with consistency, I could say that what guys have rated 8-9 where 6. 5-7 to me. .[/QUOTE]True, some guys are very easy graders. You see that all that time in bars and Go Go's. But tastes vary. What I find appealing and sexy another guy may not be interested in at all. Some guys love large bolt-on breasts or big bundas, things that don't intrigue very much. Who cares? It's all up to the individual punter. As long as you are happy with what you have, then fuck it.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492824]Also, I have been putting quite a few pictures of what I have been fucking. And most guys would be agreed with my rating if not rating it higher. Yes I am cocky a bit, no problem accepting that. But doesn't mean that I lie or exaggerate stuff I am writing.[/QUOTE]Since you brought it up, I have not seen any pictures of your girls. It would really help your position / argument if you posted those pictures of some of your girls right now, so we would know what you are talking about. Otherwise it is all words and nothing more.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1492906]Can not see any pics posted by you. I am very excited to see some of your stunning beauties as I am sure they must be top notche based on your unique ratingsystem. I have read some of your very short posting history and so far I am not so impressed. Seems you also steel money from WG as well (I am refering to your post in UAE thread) what an honorable thing to do. You have the highest credibility amongst the posters in ISG so far. Merry Christmas.[/QUOTE]Cut the crap and if you want to post put in something worthwhile. It is irrelevant whether you have written thousands or just a few postings. They add zero to the forum.

Pics have been posted like few years back in the forum with an ID which have been deleted in between due to a long relationship.

But anyway, I don't feel like proving anything to you Santa.

Yes man, I took some money back from a liar. For sure in the same situation you Santa would have given some more back.

It does indeed make my credibility stronger cause I'm not here to show an angel face but just what I do as superb or ugly as it gets!

Someone asked me where I got the girl of the massage.

She was in the massage center the closest to Nana on the main road. Near Macdonalds. I very much highly doubt she would folllow anyone home but HJ or BBJ with condom is guaranteed of a good quality.

Went there tonight to just check OUT the girls and doorman tells me it is 1,000 Baht to enter (includes 1 drink). I started laughing at him and walked away. There are so many girls available right now all over the place, no need for this trash hole!

[QUOTE=Macho Dik; 1480588]Dear all,

Have visited some bar at NEP, I am about to bf a cutie at Rainbow 4, she only wanted for short time, since I find her cute, so its ok with me but initially, I really opted for long time. But to cut the story short, she wanted to : have condom all the time of the sex (well, surely I will do that even she did not say anything) , she want to have covered when giving the head job (a bit frustrated) , she does not want to be lick in her pussies, she does not want to kiss and finally she want to only do it in the short time hotel over there (while my hotel is not actually far from NEP). OK. THAT'S ENOUGH, I just say, forget it! What happened now in those go go bar in Bangkok? Is the gals already been trained or get use to all those "don'ts rule".

Cheers,

MD[/QUOTE]

In the 80s you could buy a house in LA for $200, 000 in a fancy neighborhood, which you could sell today for $4 Million. You could purchase $1, 000 in Microsoft stocks which today would sell for $ Millions. Yes, many things were cheaper in the 80s!

[QUOTE=Cunning Stunt; 1482905]In the mid 80's you could get hot girls for $100-150 A MONTH and take her down to Koh Samui, which back then was a unspoilt paradise only recently discovered by backpackers, and where you could get a smart bungalow on the beach within spitting distance of the sea for 200 baht a night. First time I did this, I thought that I'd died and gone to heaven.

Another good time (for tourists but not for Thais) was in '97 during the great Asian crash. One pound was then worth over 100 baht (don't know what the dollar made) and with hardly any Asian tourists about, girls were desperate for cash from the few western tourists about. You could get a stunner from Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy or the Clinton bar complex (anyone remember that?) long time for 1500 (£15). A presentable girl from Thermae would go long time for 500 baht (£5 or $8!).[/QUOTE]

Take the Airport Rail to the airport and go to ANA check-in counter, you will see some Japanese girls there. Book a flight to Tokyo and there you will even see more Japanese girls. Seriously, why would any Japanese girl come to work in BKK? They can make much better money at home, that's why so many Japanese men come to BKK for "cheap" pussy!

[QUOTE=Hossi36; 1482877]Can sombody please help me where I can find Japanese Girls in Bangkok?

I stay in Sukhumvit, Soi Nana now for 1 month.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fun Pete;1493045]In the 80s you could buy a house in LA for $200, 000 in a fancy neighborhood, which you could sell today for $4 Million. You could purchase $1, 000 in Microsoft stocks which today would sell for $ Millions. Yes, many things were cheaper in the 80s![/QUOTE]Yes, but none had the appeal of what C. S. Described. Today, that cannot be had at virturally any price.

I was in BKK for a business trip and decided to go to Nana on my last night. I had dinner and a single beer and headed out to check out the scene. I was totally sober and clear headed. I walked into the entry way of Rainbow 4 cause it seemed to have a lot of girls chilling outside. From behind the curtain, the bouncer pushed me hard and said cannot enter. (I am Indian ethnically but am from the US. My family left India over 100 years ago). I asked why though I knew it was due to being of Indian descent. My questioning why I could not enter made him even angrier and he started shouting at me making a scene. I backed off the entrance to the big corridor in front of all the bars and another guy who spoke better English came and started literally shouting at me. Saying he hated me, accusing me of not having money, to go away, etc. I asked him to calm down and he went ballistic.

Out of the blue, the two Rainbow 4 bouncers and this guy jumped on me. One guys held my head in a lock while another guy punched me in the face. Then they dragged me away and threw me on the ground. Man. This has never happened to me before. I went to find the police to make a report but only saw some private security around.

This happened two days ago and my face is still bruised, my lip is swollen, and my neck is tweaked. I thank my lucky stars I did not resist because I probably would have ended up with a knife in my side.

Warning! Rainbow 4 is run by gangsters. No matter where you are from, do not enter unless you want a trip to a Bangkok hospital scene or a police station.

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492516]Ya true. Could have put it in an other way. But somehow I don't want people which do not have the "asset" I do have to expect to live the same experience when traveling abroad to BKK.

Because they are sweet and really are dedicated to their husband. I have dated top tier country girl and in 2013. I think it's a lot of headache. Apart from Japanese. Do not suits my needs.[/QUOTE]Congragulations, Polo polo, on your exploits. Young guys like you can get TGs totally free, while old guys like me have to dish out the hefty sum of $30 to have sex with a stunner.

When reading your posts I recalled this recent article:

"Justin Bieber Allegedly Spotted at Brothel in Brazil: Report"

[url]http://ca.omg.yahoo.com/news/justin-bieber-allegedly-spotted-brothel-brazil-report-205000302-us-weekly.html[/url]

"Health tip for Justin Bieber: immediately dip it in a 50% hydrogen peroxide. 50% alcohol solution to disinfect it. Watch for signs of swelling or noxious discharge."

[QUOTE=Skogis;1492906]Can not see any pics posted by you. I am very excited to see some of your stunning beauties as I am sure they must be top notche based on your unique ratingsystem. I have read some of your very short posting history and so far I am not so impressed. Seems you also steel money from WG as well (I am refering to your post in UAE thread) what an honorable thing to do.[/QUOTE]Above comments were in relation to PololaPolo6 post / s. I agree wholeheartedly with the above comments by Skogis.

[QUOTE=Fun Pete;1493043]Went there tonight to just check OUT the girls and doorman tells me it is 1,000 Baht to enter (includes 1 drink). I started laughing at him and walked away. There are so many girls available right now all over the place, no need for this trash hole![/QUOTE]Maybe it was a way for him to filter people in. 1000 entry is out of this world, even with 3 drinks in it.

Have you been there before?

Oh I am pretty sure it was to filter out non-Japanese customers, because I heard it was becoming more and more a place for Japanese only. So let it be, if they are so dumb to pay outrageous prices. As I wrote, plenty, and I mean plenty of alternatives. This will be the beginning of the end of Rainbow, they will not be able to keep up with this and will pay the price sooner or later when people will not go there anymore.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1493109]Maybe it was a way for him to filter people in. 1000 entry is out of this world, even with 3 drinks in it.

Have you been there before?[/QUOTE]

I decided to try out Dr BJ Nuru.

Walked in. Was shown a line up of 5 or 6 girls.

The English guys greets me and explains what happens and tells me which girl (Number 8) has the best service.

Too bad she is rather large and not my type.

So I end up choosing Number 5, slim, pretty.

It cost 2000 baht for 1 hour.

She takes me upstairs into a room which contains a shower and blowup bed and prepares everything.

She takes her time cleaning me up in the shower.

The session consisted of a body slide, BBBJ and sex.

The water was running the whole time and I just couldn't get comfortable in this situation. Just felt dirty.

Conversation was pretty ordinary here.

The session was pretty lack lustre and it put me off BKK.

I finished up and walked out. The English guy was sitting out the front watching a movie on his DVD player and didn't really care.

I won't be going there again.

I can give you a massage parlor run by a Japanese with thai girls that have Japanese names

Today I came in from Swampy at the spend limit for Baht 275 on the meter to Skvt Soi 4, Baht 50 Airport tax and Baht 75 Tolls. Baht 400 the trip. $13 all in.

No one can call that a rip off when LHR to Chiswick cost the equivalent of $60 for a shorter distance.

I

I had a two week amazing mongering trip to Pattaya and Bangkok. Thank you all for posting the links of mps. It really helped me a lot in finding the rght places to hook up. Intially it was difficult for me to find the hot ones but I figured out thanks to ISG members for posting all the valuble info over here! I felt Bangkok massage parlours wasn't so great compared to Pattaya Honey 1&2 and sSbi1&2. And other soapy parlours. Pattaya had better looking massage gals. Bt Bangkok Soi Cowboy and Nana plaza made up for it. I had met so many hot chicks. And I have been to Annie and Tulip, the gals look so bad. Even visited ez massage. In Sukumvith my fav Mona. I have attached her pics. She looked completely different she was tall and skinny. Cute face. Thank to photoshop. But her service was pretty nice. And good attitude. And my favourite Candy, pink dress. Went home for three week. So was bit dissapointed. Mango had decent collections. I felt "Addict" massage had the best collection. They all lined up with those blue halter dress with a blue hat and most of them looked cute.

I feel Bangkok is hectic, hot and expensive compared to Pattaya, both Pattaya and Bangkok has its own flaws, its difficult to travel around Bangkok, we couldn't find a decnt place where they rent motorbikes in Bangkok so took sky train and was very tiring and after midnight travelled in taxi, tuk tuk people are very bad and pricy compared to taxi neways I felt it easy to travel around in pattya. End of the day I enjoyed both pattya and Bangkok, its the chepeast and the best place to monger.

P. S- if your an Indian prepared to get discrimanted in Bangkok. And Pattaya too some clubs don't allow Indians, not matter if your from USA. And if you look Indian with a black skin they will discriminate you in the clubs and places like Nana plaza, and even in massage parlours. Thankfully I don't look Indian and don't dress like one. And I travelled with one of my best friend from Goa who is a foreigener so thinks went smooth until one of the Indian friend who is dark skin joined us. Things went bad wherever we go, until we went our separate ways. We can't blame anybody for discrimantion because most of the Indians act like hooligans. They go crazy once they come to Bangkok. Neways Thailand is a nice place to travel and for cheap mongering. I suggest people to travel alone. Make friends with the local Thai. Thai girls have the best attitude. Most of them love Indians. They will take you around. So you won't have problem going to clubs. I have made many friends in Pattaya and few in Bangkok. Had the best time of my life in Thailand. I'm planing to go back after couple of months.

Peace!

Thank you all!

[QUOTE=Mitu33; 1491950]Went there last month, September.

I must say the experience they offered is really an eye opener for me. I can never find this type of massage in Singapore. Not sure its the same case for Thailand.

I really enjoy foreplay and the lady gives good foreplay and service. From inside the tub to the bed.

Honesty speaking, the lady reception is very friendly and gave very good service. I don't even feel like going into a place for sex. After service, the receptionist asked for feedback and ask how I get to know of this place. She even walked me down the stairs and big goodbye.

I must say the receptionist had very good figures.[/QUOTE]What place are you referring to?

[QUOTE=PololaPolo6; 1492506]I'm reading your judgment of my rating. Man I have fucked amazing girl from Russia, Thai, China, Ukraine south America, Spain. That you can just dream of. Don't worry for my rating. When I say 7 it's a 9 for an average Joe which I'm not. However I do agree with you that pristine TOP thai girl do not even interact with westerners.

I have been through this phase of a 8 becoming a 6 during my first long trip to Thai. (I stayed almost 2 months). Before going there I took number from girls on a website. I thought those girl were wow when compared to the rest of Thai they were girl you glad to fuck but nothing fancy for Thailand. And my second months I just stopped website and met girls mostly in real.[/QUOTE]You are clown dude. I can breakdown the bullshit in your posts that other guys can not if you really want me to. You are leaning too much to stiffing working girls as to pure freebies for my liking.

If you are so hot and have so much game, go to the clubs around Royal City Avenue. Many university educated Thai girls way hotter with far less mileage then what you are dealing with. If you can pull freebies there then I will start talking tactics on fucking working girls for free but not with novices who are going to abuse that knowledge.

[QUOTE=Yomama99; 1493091]I was in BKK for a business trip and decided to go to Nana on my last night. I had dinner and a single beer and headed out to check out the scene. I was totally sober and clear headed. I walked into the entry way of Rainbow 4 cause it seemed to have a lot of girls chilling outside. From behind the curtain, the bouncer pushed me hard and said cannot enter. (I am Indian ethnically but am from the US. My family left India over 100 years ago). I asked why though I knew it was due to being of Indian descent. My questioning why I could not enter made him even angrier and he started shouting at me making a scene. I backed off the entrance to the big corridor in front of all the bars and another guy who spoke better English came and started literally shouting at me. Saying he hated me, accusing me of not having money, to go away, etc. I asked him to calm down and he went ballistic.

Out of the blue, the two Rainbow 4 bouncers and this guy jumped on me. One guys held my head in a lock while another guy punched me in the face. Then they dragged me away and threw me on the ground. Man. This has never happened to me before. I went to find the police to make a report but only saw some private security around.

This happened two days ago and my face is still bruised, my lip is swollen, and my neck is tweaked. I thank my lucky stars I did not resist because I probably would have ended up with a knife in my side.

Warning! Rainbow 4 is run by gangsters. No matter where you are from, do not enter unless you want a trip to a Bangkok hospital scene or a police station.[/QUOTE]Very strange incidence. There are reports of racism against Indians and blacks but unprovoked physical violence in city centre is rare.

You should have tried Thai Tourist Police. I think locals can advice you better than me.

The soi 3 on other side of Sukhumvit is nick names Soi Arab and is full of Middle Eastern and people from Indian sub continent.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86; 1493304]P. S- if your an Indian prepared to get discrimanted in Bangkok. And Pattaya too some clubs don't allow Indians, not matter if your from USA. And if you look Indian with a black skin they will discriminate you in the clubs and places like Nana plaza, and even in massage parlours. Thankfully I don't look Indian and don't dress like one. And I travelled with one of my best friend from Goa who is a foreigener so thinks went smooth until one of the Indian friend who is dark skin joined us. Things went bad wherever we go, until we went our separate ways. We can't blame anybody for discrimantion because most of the Indians act like hooligans. They go crazy once they come to Bangkok. Neways Thailand is a nice place to travel and for cheap mongering. I suggest people to travel alone. Make friends with the local Thai. Thai girls have the best attitude. Most of them love Indians. They will take you around. So you won't have problem going to clubs. I have made many friends in Pattaya and few in Bangkok. Had the best time of my life in Thailand. I'm planing to go back after couple of months.

Peace!

Thank you all![/QUOTE]Why do you say "we can't blame anybody for discrimination.". With this attitude South Africa would be under apartheid and the US would still have slavery. It may not be easy to eliminate discrimination but at least we must try. Do you really think you are "safe" cause you don't look Indian.

Think again my friend.

Really strange and shocking at what happened with you at Rainbow 4.

I feel you should contact the US Embassy in BKK and report the incident to them. I am quite sure they will help you out.

Thugs like these should not be let go free so easily.

Thailand is a very safe place for tourist and I am sure this matter will be taken up with great concern.

Anyways, good to know you are safe. As they say "live to fight another day"

Take care!

[QUOTE=Yomama99; 1493091]I was in BKK for a business trip and decided to go to Nana on my last night. I had dinner and a single beer and headed out to check out the scene. I was totally sober and clear headed. I walked into the entry way of Rainbow 4 cause it seemed to have a lot of girls chilling outside. From behind the curtain, the bouncer pushed me hard and said cannot enter. (I am Indian ethnically but am from the US. My family left India over 100 years ago). I asked why though I knew it was due to being of Indian descent. My questioning why I could not enter made him even angrier and he started shouting at me making a scene. I backed off the entrance to the big corridor in front of all the bars and another guy who spoke better English came and started literally shouting at me. Saying he hated me, accusing me of not having money, to go away, etc. I asked him to calm down and he went ballistic.

Out of the blue, the two Rainbow 4 bouncers and this guy jumped on me. One guys held my head in a lock while another guy punched me in the face. Then they dragged me away and threw me on the ground. Man. This has never happened to me before. I went to find the police to make a report but only saw some private security around.

This happened two days ago and my face is still bruised, my lip is swollen, and my neck is tweaked. I thank my lucky stars I did not resist because I probably would have ended up with a knife in my side.

Warning! Rainbow 4 is run by gangsters. No matter where you are from, do not enter unless you want a trip to a Bangkok hospital scene or a police station.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1493444]Looks like the owner has lost all interest. Same happened next door at Eden when Marc left. Sad really.[/QUOTE]Eden was good the couple times I went there earlier this year. Don't know how it used to be (allegedly "better" by most accounts) but it was still all good.

I don't have any pic of mona. If your in Bangkok go ez massage ask for Mona they will take you to pretty lady massage parlour. She looks completly diffrnt from the pic thin and talll. Chubby face with braces. She is still pretty among all the gals in ez massage. Good attitude.

[QUOTE=Mankav512;1493597]Do you have actual photos of Mona. Can you describe her stats.[/QUOTE]

We never had any problems in Bangkok unless a friend joined us. He is basicaly from south part of India called Chennai. Indians are discrimnated in Bangkok and pattya. I have seen many got thrown out of the clubs and bars. Because Indians bring trouble and act like hooligans when they come to Thailand. I'm sure so many in this forum would agree with me. They come in group and create trouble and disrespect women and lady boys that is avery bad thing to do. I have stayed in Thailand for 15 days. I have seen how indians behave. Whenever there was trouble I see an indian fightining! May be tas the reason they discrimante us.

I never saw any niggers I. E african people (sorry if I offended anyone) thrown out from any club or denied entry only indians are discrimnated. I'm not against any black people or any Indians. In fact I never saw any racial discrimination with African people only indinas are discriminated. If your an Indian and you got offended blame those group of drunk Indians who come to Thailand and spoil our name!

[QUOTE=Yomama99;1493463]Why do you say "we can't blame anybody for discrimination.". With this attitude South Africa would be under apartheid and the US would still have slavery. It may not be easy to eliminate discrimination but at least we must try. Do you really think you are "safe" cause you don't look Indian. Think again my friend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BkkCracy; 1493490]Really strange and shocking at what happened with you at Rainbow 4.

I feel you should contact the US Embassy in BKK and report the incident to them. I am quite sure they will help you out.

Thugs like these should not be let go free so easily.

Thailand is a very safe place for tourist and I am sure this matter will be taken up with great concern.

Anyways, good to know you are safe. As they say "live to fight another day"

Take care![/QUOTE]ISG members should band together to expose this venue for what it is.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1493430]Very strange incidence. There are reports of racism against Indians and blacks but unprovoked physical violence in city centre is rare.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the world of gogos, bad girls, pimps, yabba & ice:

"UN says seizures of crystal meth and meth pills in Asia reach record highs in 2012"

[url]http://ca.news.yahoo.com/un-says-seizures-crystal-meth-meth-pills-asia-075921906.html[/url]

Saw couple of Japanese karaoke place. Most of the gals look so cute and sexy. I tried calling them up. The receptionist speak only Japanese and very little English? I don't see much people going in. The girls are super hot and sexy. What do they do in there? I don't see any activities other than girls sitting in there. I went to Japanase karaoke a diffrent branch near Hilton hotel Sukumvith road, one of the bouncer waiting outside said somthing in Japanese and asked me politely to leave. I'm yet to hook up with Japanese and Chinese girls. Where can I find them in Bangkok? I think ill be flying back to Bangkok on December first week!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1493710]Welcome to the world of gogos, bad girls, pimps, yabba & ice:

"UN says seizures of crystal meth and meth pills in Asia reach record highs in 2012"

[url]http://ca.news.yahoo.com/un-says-seizures-crystal-meth-meth-pills-asia-075921906.html[/url][/QUOTE]Meth Amphetamins are CNS stimulants, raise BMR, kill appetite, kill sleep, increase concentration and can lead to reckless behaviour and aggression.

They are controlled drugs and grossly abused to control obesity as well in the 80s.

I can understand use of meth amphetamine and aggression by punters but abuse and agression by bouncers can kill the business very quickly.

By the way is yaba meth amphetamine?

Nobody mention Khao San Road.
I searched the thread and the last report was from October 2011

Is there any mongering activity or just back packers?

[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1493847]By the way is yaba meth amphetamine?[/QUOTE]Yaba (ya baa or yaa baa) translates as madness drug and is the Thai street name for meth amphetamine mixed with caffeine. The name comes from ya máa (horse drug) as it is called in Burma where it has long been given to draft animals.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1493739]Saw couple of Japanese karaoke place. Most of the gals look so cute and sexy. I tried calling them up. The receptionist speak only Japanese and very little English? I don't see much people going in. The girls are super hot and sexy. What do they do in there? I don't see any activities other than girls sitting in there. I went to Japanase karaoke a diffrent branch near Hilton hotel Sukumvith road, one of the bouncer waiting outside said somthing in Japanese and asked me politely to leave. I'm yet to hook up with Japanese and Chinese girls. Where can I find them in Bangkok? I think ill be flying back to Bangkok on December first week![/QUOTE]

You're going to the wrong country for Japanese and Chinese girls. End of story.

If some bouncer doesn't want you in their club just leave. I have been rejected before (white guy) at a few bars even though it was my first time. They didn't like the look of me or something. It happens I guess. Their bar their rules.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1493850]Nobody mention Khao San Road.

I searched the thread and the last report was from October 2011.

Is there any mongering activity or just back packers?[/QUOTE]If you are young (below <35) and you dress like the other backpackers and use you charme for sure you can score their a girl (or even girls) specially them who are also looking for a free overnight.

But you should play the act that you want to help them and. Hopefully can fuck them too.

If you are older you only can score there cheap SW and go to a short time hotel.

The visiting backpackers will see you as an old (granddaddy) who wants to fuck a very young girl.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86;1493739]Saw couple of Japanese karaoke place. Most of the gals look so cute and sexy. I tried calling them up. The receptionist speak only Japanese and very little English? I don't see much people going in. The girls are super hot and sexy. What do they do in there? I don't see any activities other than girls sitting in there. I went to Japanase karaoke a diffrent branch near Hilton hotel Sukumvith road, one of the bouncer waiting outside said somthing in Japanese and asked me politely to leave. I'm yet to hook up with Japanese and Chinese girls. Where can I find them in Bangkok? I think ill be flying back to Bangkok on December first week![/QUOTE]Most of the single Japanese expat girls in BKK are a bit on the weird side and aren't into the ol dick so much, meaning they don't want one in their mouth, ass, or puss. And the ones who are hot tend to have so many farang clowns in their orbit, who would walk on fire just to cop a feel

[QUOTE=MaxMM; 1492045]Dear all,

I will be visiting Bangkok for the first time by end of November. Unfortunately, I will stay just little less than 24 hours, arriving on Saturday afternoon (3pm) and leaving on Sunday morning (9am). I will be staying at the Shangri La.

And there are two things I really want, need, have, must try:

1. A real (and hopefully unforgettable) thai, body massage (obviously, with some extra).

2. A nice pick up joint: bar, nightclub, or, given my limited time, a good escort agency.

Any thoughts, recommendations or advice are much appreciated.

Obviously, I full report will follow after the trip.[/QUOTE]Shangri-la is in Bangrak.

Patpong will be close. Try the go go bars there. Else try out bangkokescorts. Com.

[QUOTE=IAmRamesh86; 1493644]We never had any problems in Bangkok unless a friend joined us. He is basicaly from south part of India called Chennai. Indians are discrimnated in Bangkok and pattya. I have seen many got thrown out of the clubs and bars. Because Indians bring trouble and act like hooligans when they come to Thailand. I'm sure so many in this forum would agree with me. They come in group and create trouble and disrespect women and lady boys that is avery bad thing to do. I have stayed in Thailand for 15 days. I have seen how indians behave. Whenever there was trouble I see an indian fightining! May be tas the reason they discrimante us.

I never saw any niggers I. E african people (sorry if I offended anyone) thrown out from any club or denied entry only indians are discrimnated. I'm not against any black people or any Indians. In fact I never saw any racial discrimination with African people only indinas are discriminated. If your an Indian and you got offended blame those group of drunk Indians who come to Thailand and spoil our name![/QUOTE]You said it all. Of course, it is because South Indians from Chennai deserve being beaten up. Thailand inherited the racism of India. Nothing more, nothing less. Thanks for your honesty. No matter the inherent values of the individual. In your view, South Indians are all the same in your eyes. And boy, you have a lot of experience with your 15 days in Thailand.

[QUOTE=MaxMM; 1492045]Dear all,

I will be visiting Bangkok for the first time by end of November. Unfortunately, I will stay just little less than 24 hours, arriving on Saturday afternoon (3pm) and leaving on Sunday morning (9am). I will be staying at the Shangri La.

And there are two things I really want, need, have, must try:

1. A real (and hopefully unforgettable) thai, body massage (obviously, with some extra).

2. A nice pick up joint: bar, nightclub, or, given my limited time, a good escort agency.

Any thoughts, recommendations or advice are much appreciated.

Obviously, I full report will follow after the trip.[/QUOTE]Annies for the massage at Suk Soi 2 then rest up and go to Climax in the basement of the Ambassador hotel on Suk soi 11.

Hi,

If you browse this forum you will see a few complaints about discrimination in Nana Plaza. However, your case is unique since you were attacked physically. The club can refuse entry but I believe your experience is unheard of.

You should have filed a police complaint. Not filing a police complaint is encouraging these thugs to attack another innocent visitor.

If I were you, I would have returned the next day with two or three hired goons and given these punks a dose of their own medicine.

[QUOTE=Yomama99; 1493091]I was in BKK for a business trip and decided to go to Nana on my last night. I had dinner and a single beer and headed out to check out the scene. I was totally sober and clear headed. I walked into the entry way of Rainbow 4 cause it seemed to have a lot of girls chilling outside. From behind the curtain, the bouncer pushed me hard and said cannot enter. (I am Indian ethnically but am from the US. My family left India over 100 years ago). I asked why though I knew it was due to being of Indian descent.

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[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1484997]All you need is a beer belly, yesterdays shorts with a bum crack showing, tattoos everywhere and a stained T-shirt and the ladies swoon.

Mind you, dressed in smart slacks and a clean polo shirt, (freshly showered) last year I picked up a nice young filly and for the price of a few drinks and dinner she came back for an overnight. I, of course pressed Baht 3500 into her hand (as she left after a breakfast blow job (her breakfast) for her taxi fare home.

Seems all the girls will come back to my hotel when I pay their taxi fare home. There. All of us can get free sex for the cost of a taxi fare.[/QUOTE]I love this post! I also pay many 3500THB taxis fares! I never pay for sex!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1494111]Most of the single Japanese expat girls in BKK are a bit on the weird side and aren't into the ol dick so much, meaning they don't want one in their mouth, ass, or puss. And the ones who are hot tend to have so many farang clowns in their orbit, who would walk on fire just to cop a feel[/QUOTE]I have lived and played in Okinawa, Japan for six years. The most common sign in the RLD is "Japanese Only". Some of them think we are all hung like a porn actor others don't want their reputation tarnished by a Gaijin dick. It can be very frustrating be / see usually the hottest girls have those signs up. SMH.

MHF

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1494111]Most of the single Japanese expat girls in BKK are a bit on the weird side and aren't into the ol dick so much, meaning they don't want one in their mouth, ass, or puss. And the ones who are hot tend to have so many farang clowns in their orbit, who would walk on fire just to cop a feel[/QUOTE]Although I think there is a huge untapped bored Japanese housewife market. You see them in groups all the time out to lunch. Their hubbies are out at Thaniya every night with "clients" and they are alone or strapped with the kid. Got to be a way to crack this nut.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1494247]Although I think there is a huge untapped bored Japanese housewife market. You see them in groups all the time out to lunch. Their hubbies are out at Thaniya every night with "clients" and they are alone or strapped with the kid. Got to be a way to crack this nut.[/QUOTE]Agree but. Do you have an idea how?

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1493850]Nobody mention Khao San Road.

I searched the thread and the last report was from October 2011.

Is there any mongering activity or just back packers?[/QUOTE]The time of Khao San being a backpacker only place are long gone. Its just a general tourist spot now, though of course the young traveler crowd is still somewhat present. If you're looking for action, plenty of FL SWs around at night, and a couple of the back alley massage shops probably offer full service. All that being said, if you're there drunk at night and need a girl yeah you can get one, but if what you're going for is a girl, you're.far- better off on Sukhumvit. Also, the party on Khao San for the tourist bars doesn't really start up until 1100-midnight anyways, until then places are either just restaurants or empty bars.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1494012]If you are young (below <35) and you dress like the other backpackers and use you charme for sure you can score their a girl (or even girls) specially them who are also looking for a free overnight.

But you should play the act that you want to help them and. Hopefully can fuck them too.

If you are older you only can score there cheap SW and go to a short time hotel.

The visiting backpackers will see you as an old (granddaddy) who wants to fuck a very young girl.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately I am plus 40 but I was not really thinking about scoring. In my 5/6 year mongering carrier, I only had two free bees. One German in Hong Kong who was 8 year older than me and the other a Belorussian architect in Kiev. Statistically, probability of scoring is insignificant.

Every time I visited Bangkok, I stayed within walking distance of Nana Plaza and / or Soi Cowboy. This time I was thinking of exploring the other side.

Considering Bangkok traffic, commuting from Koh San Road to Nana Plaza to pick up a date is not practical. So if there is some p4p available in that are, I would prefer to explore this area rather than going to Nana Plaza again.

My stay in Bangkok is actually very long transit (33 hours) and that is why I would avoid trying Phuket or Pattya.

[QUOTE=Glamour1;1494256]The time of Khao San being a backpacker only place are long gone. Its just a general tourist spot now, though of course the young traveler crowd is still somewhat present. If you're looking for action, plenty of FL SWs around at night, and a couple of the back alley massage shops probably offer full service. All that being said, if you're there drunk at night and need a girl yeah you can get one, but if what you're going for is a girl, you're.far- better off on Sukhumvit. Also, the party on Khao San for the tourist bars doesn't really start up until 1100-midnight anyways, until then places are either just restaurants or empty bars.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1494254]Agree but. Do you have an idea how?[/QUOTE]I do not. They run in packs and the English seems limited at best. But I bet they are frustrated and horny. Only drawback would be the high probability of "Don King" pubic hair.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1494111]Most of the single Japanese expat girls in BKK are a bit on the weird side and aren't into the ol dick so much, meaning they don't want one in their mouth, ass, or puss.[/QUOTE]Alas I'll have to settle for a nostril, ear or armpit.

[QUOTE=Hatguy;1493874]You're going to the wrong country for Japanese and Chinese girls. End of story.[/QUOTE]Of the TGs I've seen in the Nana Parking Lot many looked Chinese or Japanese or Korean or Vietnamese or East Indian or farang or Hispanic to me.

If you put them in a lineup with girls of those nationalities, I wouldn't be able to tell you which ones were Thai.

After a girl has dyed her hair a different colour, changed her nose & eyes, whitened her skin & or is interbred with a number of different nationalities, it can be all but impossible to identify her country by her looks alone.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1493847]Meth Amphetamins are CNS stimulants, raise BMR, kill appetite, kill sleep, increase concentration and can lead to reckless behaviour and aggression.

They are controlled drugs and grossly abused to control obesity as well in the 80s.

I can understand use of meth amphetamine and aggression by punters but abuse and agression by bouncers can kill the business very quickly.[/QUOTE]I can't say if these guys are illicit drug users or addicts or alcoholics or not, or how much these type of incidents of roughing up potential customers seeking to enter Rainbow 4 has negatively impacted the business, or how often they occur. Although there has been more than one recent report of such an assault occurring there. Additionally there was the post about a ridiculous 1000 baht entrance fee being required. So buyer beware. Personally I don't even enjoy being around people under the control of alcohol, which is sold in these type of NEP & SC joints, let alone those high on illegal drugs.

So I went to CM2 on ladies night.

Whoa they got rid of the bar on one side. Really screws up the flow in there.

Girls all sitting against the back walls and corners makes it hard to see anyone.

Anyway I went with a faux Russian quoted 200 short time 400 long (USD). Verrrry good looking. A couple of 9s in there yesterday.

I said ok if you stay until morning for long time.

Got back and she wanted all up front. Like a non stupid I gave half. She complained and I said she was welcome to leave. So like a non stupid she said she wanted to stay and sleep here after. Ok.

So a fun time was had around 2am. She woke me up at 4:20 am and said its morning now wants the other half. We then had an argument over what morning is. 1 hour nap is not long time and 2 hours before dawn not morning.

Got screamed at for being cheap.

Gladly had all valuables locked in the safe.

Told her was not arguing with her which she thought she meant money. Demanded 100 us for her nap. I said no and if she wanted to discuss with the police I could call them she left screaming at me for being cheap.

Sorry not even my lawyer can make 200 per hour for sleeping. Though he might be probe to argue that 4:20am is "staying long time until the morning."

LOL all around.

What's standard definition for long time here? I thought overnight which is what I told her explicitly. Next time I am setti g and showing an alarm and saying when this goes off you get paid. Agree or? Yes good, no buh bye.

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1495333]So I went to CM2 on ladies night.

Anyway I went with a faux Russian quoted 200 short time 400 long (USD).[/QUOTE]Not a matter of being "price police", but the fact you accepted those prices without much negotiation made her believe you could be easily milked and cheated.

400 USD are around 1500DHM, I rate this a bit on high side, by RTFF.

Damn, I can get a chick for $400 for an entire month. If she called you a Cheap Charlie for giving her $200 for a couple of hours I can't imagine what she would have thought about me.

Money aside, it sounds like this CM2 girl was not a very good time and definitely not a GFE. What a shame. I just don't understand why some guys want to fool around with FSU girls when they are in LOS. If you want Russian, go to Moscow.

Hey Protocol, forget about last night. Get up, dust yourself off, and get back on the horse. In other words, go to a recommended Soi 24 massage parlor, pick a smiling girl, and have a great time. If you like the FL scene and dancing go to Climax on Soi 11. And if you really want to spend some money, go to a Thai place like the Pimp Club, Sherbert, or Maiake. It's all up to you how you want to spend your money, but if you want to have a great time, forget about FSU girls in LOS and concentrate on Thai girls.

This was posted on another site but I thought interesting and worth asking if anyone ever came across the blog in question:

[i]Blog from an American who lived in a BKK apartment with 3 bar girls?

I read a blog some time ago written by an American who lived in Bangkok while he did freelance web development for his customers in the US. He had a couple of extra bedrooms which he let out to three Thai bar girls. I think they got free rent in return for spending their unoccupied time with him. He was a young guy, from what I remember. His sister visited him for a while and he had to swap apartments with a friend. Pretend he lived there, while his mate took his place in his apartment with the girls. I think the blog finished years ago and went on for about a year in total.

Now I can't find this blog. Can anyone point me at the one I'm talking about? I said I'd send the link to a couple of friends who are moving to BKK for work. [/i]

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1495333]So I went to CM2 on ladies night.

Whoa they got rid of the bar on one side. Really screws up the flow in there.

Girls all sitting against the back walls and corners makes it hard to see anyone.

Anyway I went with a faux Russian quoted 200 short time 400 long (USD). Verrrry good looking. A couple of 9s in there yesterday.

I said ok if you stay until morning for long time.

Got back and she wanted all up front. Like a non stupid I gave half. She complained and I said she was welcome to leave. So like a non stupid she said she wanted to stay and sleep here after. Ok.

So a fun time was had around 2am. She woke me up at 4:20 am and said its morning now wants the other half. We then had an argument over what morning is. 1 hour nap is not long time and 2 hours before dawn not morning.

Got screamed at for being cheap.

Gladly had all valuables locked in the safe.

Told her was not arguing with her which she thought she meant money. Demanded 100 us for her nap. I said no and if she wanted to discuss with the police I could call them she left screaming at me for being cheap.

Sorry not even my lawyer can make 200 per hour for sleeping. Though he might be probe to argue that 4:20am is "staying long time until the morning."

LOL all around.

What's standard definition for long time here? I thought overnight which is what I told her explicitly. Next time I am setti g and showing an alarm and saying when this goes off you get paid. Agree or? Yes good, no buh bye.[/QUOTE]You should not be worried about what long time and short time is? Actually you saved $200 from this scammer.

Having said that if you really, really like the girl always arrange short time only to start. If you both click and she wants stay LT negotiate further about times, service-how many times.

Negotiations about money differs from person to person. As for me I like non mercenary GFE cheap girls irrespective of looks. Sometimes they give best sex ever. If I want to date and keep a long time girlfriend I would look for a pretty girl as arm candy.

Money alone does not buy good sex. After all that is what we are looking for.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1495379]Not a matter of being "price police", but the fact you accepted those prices without much negotiation made her believe you could be easily milked and cheated.

400 USD are around 1500DHM, I rate this a bit on high side, by RTFF.[/QUOTE]For whatever reason I thought being in a Dubai thread and rated 400$ expensive for Dubai. It is f* over expensive for Bangkok (nearly 13000 baht, a month salary for a reasonably paid clerk).

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1495501]if you really, really like the girl always arrange short time only to start. If you both click and she wants stay LT negotiate further about times, service-how many times.

Negotiations about money differs from person to person. As for me I like non mercenary GFE cheap girls irrespective of looks. Sometimes they give best sex ever.[/QUOTE]Great minds think alike. I essentially said the same thing last night in the Phnom Penh thread concerning runners. I wrote,"I think it is best to take a girl you don't know ST your first night with her and see what develops. I wouldn't even mention LT. Just assume it is going to be ST. Why make the commitment? You may not want to keep her. But, if all goes really well, the girl may want to stay on her own accord and you will know you have a good one. Or the two of you can easily come to a new arrangement to make it an all nighter, another win win. Or you can just make a date for another time. It's all good. If the session did not go that well, you are probably much better off calling it a night or going back out and looking for another girl to do ST again. There are a ton of girls just waiting for you in the bars."

[QUOTE=Protocol; 1495333]Got back and she wanted all up front. Like a non stupid I gave half. She complained and I said she was welcome to leave. So like a non stupid she said she wanted to stay and sleep here after. Ok.

So a fun time was had around 2am. She woke me up at 4:20 am and said its morning now wants the other half. We then had an argument over what morning is. 1 hour nap is not long time and 2 hours before dawn not morning.

Got screamed at for being cheap.

Gladly had all valuables locked in the safe.

Told her was not arguing with her which she thought she meant money. Demanded 100 us for her nap. I said no and if she wanted to discuss with the police I could call them she left screaming at me for being cheap.

Sorry not even my lawyer can make 200 per hour for sleeping. Though he might be probe to argue that 4:20am is "staying long time until the morning."[/QUOTE]Perhaps she was charging you to argue?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDjCqjzbvJY

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1495379]Not a matter of being "price police", but the fact you accepted those prices without much negotiation made her believe you could be easily milked and cheated.

400 USD are around 1500DHM, I rate this a bit on high side, by RTFF.[/QUOTE]From RTF, if I recall correctly, over the last few years, the prices quoted are quite typical for CM2.

Considering this was first a "Russian" & secondly a stunner, the offer might be considered a bargain.

Of course you can always get an average looking TG for 500 baht at Grace Hotel or in African a black girl for a banana per month.

Which bank's ATM do not charge 130 baht for a withdrawal.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1496230]Which bank's ATM do not charge 130 baht for a withdrawal.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Aeon ATM. By the way I think the other banks charge 150 and some 180 baht.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1495782]From RTF, if I recall correctly, over the last few years, the prices quoted are quite typical for CM2.

Considering this was first a "Russian" & secondly a stunner, the offer might be considered a bargain.

Of course you can always get an average looking TG for 500 baht at Grace Hotel or in African a black girl for a banana per month.[/QUOTE]My comments were based on a wrong currency. Was not 1500 dirham. But 15000 baht, IE 400usd. I rate those far to much even for a stunning Russian. In Bangkok! IMHO.

That price is more for escort girl (maybe the same, but we know escort age cose and sites have their and outrageous price levels)

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1496230]Which bank's ATM do not charge 130 baht for a withdrawal.

Thanks[/QUOTE]AEON Bank. I use the ATM at the branch in the lower level of Terminal 21. Here is the link to a travel forum that describes other locations.

[url]http://www.travelforum.org/thailand/6366-aeon-atm-locations-bangkok.html[/url]

To those who gave me the bank's name.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1495782]From RTF, if I recall correctly, over the last few years, the prices quoted are quite typical for CM2.

Considering this was first a "Russian" & secondly a stunner, the offer might be considered a bargain.

Of course you can always get an average looking TG for 500 baht at Grace Hotel or in African a black girl for a banana per month.[/QUOTE]I have seen girls asking for 8-10K in CM2 but I think 15K is bit too much.

In most cases you could take a Russian for 4K-6K depending upon the time and your bargaining skill.

In my last trip about 6 months ago CM2 was deserted and quality was low but the prices were still the same.

However, the surprise was a Russian (from St. Petersburg) street walker outside Grace Hotel. She was no stunner but excellent GFE and 2 hours of uninhibited fun for just 2K.

If you are after Russians you can try.

Grace Hotel Coffee shop: Average 5K but sometime you may even find a Latina or Turk.

Street and Arab Restaurants outside Grace Hotel offer cheap prices 1-2K but no stunners.

Rajeah hotel offers in-house fun form 2. 5 3K and very good quality but mechanical service

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1496269]My comments were based on a wrong currency. Was not 1500 dirham. But 15000 baht, IE 400usd. I rate those far to much even for a stunning Russian. In Bangkok! IMHO.

That price is more for escort girl (maybe the same, but we know escort age cose and sites have their and outrageous price levels) [/QUOTE]I think 400 USD is much closer to 12000 Baht than 15000.

Twelve thousand baht would be a price in the ballpark of some escort girls, that is Thai escorts in Thailand, for a LT or multi hour session.

Though here we are speaking of CM2, a FSR girl, a stunner, in Bangkok, for LT. How much do you think that would cost in Moscow, one or two thousand Euros?

If you are in Krungthep with a craving for some white farang meat, CM2 is a far cheaper & easier option than flying to a northern destination where you could make a snowman & freeze your dick to a lamp post.

Where are you going to find a hot Russian model type P4P lady? In the Beer Garden? Nana Parking Lot? Grace Hotel? Very unlikely.

Would you be able to take her out to your place for the night? Nyet. Impossible.

[QUOTE=Global Surfer; 1496453]I have seen girls asking for 8-10K in CM2 but I think 15K is bit too much.

In most cases you could take a Russian for 4K-6K depending upon the time and your bargaining skill.

In my last trip about 6 months ago CM2 was deserted and quality was low but the prices were still the same.

However, the surprise was a Russian (from St. Petersburg) street walker outside Grace Hotel. She was no stunner but excellent GFE and 2 hours of uninhibited fun for just 2K.

If you are after Russians you can try.

Grace Hotel Coffee shop: Average 5K but sometime you may even find a Latina or Turk.

Street and Arab Restaurants outside Grace Hotel offer cheap prices 1-2K but no stunners.

Rajeah hotel offers in-house fun form 2. 5 3K and very good quality but mechanical service[/QUOTE]Thus far I've never ever had a "Russian". Not that I can recall. Does that make me a Russian virgin?

I've been tempted by "Russians" or FSR girls a few times in BKK & come close to taking one, but never got the shot off. Partly because of pimps being involved, girls being unavailable for take out, or the circumstances being shady. Some I've seen in convenience stores generally appeared to be major sour pusses.

But I've been satisfying the craving for white meat with Viet & PRC in SG.

The original poster spoke of 200 USD for a ST & 400 for LT. That equates to roughly 6000 & 12000 Baht, rather than the 15000 you mentioned.

BTW, speaking of prices, the various ones you quote for Euro girls are what guys pay for TGs at various venues & locations in LOS. Some reports, if I recall, even speak of Thai gogo superstars demanding 6K for a ST, the same initial asking rate by the CM2 Euro stunner. And perhaps she could have been bartered down a thousand baht or so.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1493204]Today I came in from Swampy at the spend limit for Baht 275 on the meter to Skvt Soi 4, Baht 50 Airport tax and Baht 75 Tolls. Baht 400 the trip. $13 all in.

No one can call that a rip off when LHR to Chiswick cost the equivalent of $60 for a shorter distance.

I[/QUOTE]I met a couple on the plane last night who had asked me the rules for tipping in Thailand. They said they had prepaid $80 for transportation from the airport to the Conrad and wanted to know what they should tip, if anything.

I had read on ThaiVisa that they installed rails and one-way turnstiles on the departure level median. I think they did this only to appease the drivers on the lower level, because it is still possible to get to the side where taxis are dropping off. As soon as I walked out of the door drivers were flagging me over to the median. With a half-turn of the turnstile you can easily fit through the opposite way with bags.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1496612]I met a couple on the plane last night who had asked me the rules for tipping in Thailand. They said they had prepaid $80 for transportation from the airport to the Conrad and wanted to know what they should tip, if anything.[/QUOTE]Nana-hotel once tried to charge me 1000 bath for a hotel taxi to the airport. I just smiled and left.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1496711]Nana-hotel once tried to charge me 1000 bath for a hotel taxi to the airport. I just smiled and left.[/QUOTE]If you look at the transportation rates on the small board at the entrance of Nana hotel tells that surely someone pays them, or maybe "negotiating" a 20% cut and happy of his skills! Making the supplier even happier as he could sustain an 80% discount and still walk with a good income.

Somebody paying 80$ for the BKK. Conrad trip should be told to tip 20.

[QUOTE=Lifeingr; 1488703]NEP: Billboard; this used to be one my favorite bars because there were beautifull girls, nice shows and a very helpfull mamassan. All of these have gone! Another observation is that drink prices have gone up! I remember drinks (whiskey) at 120 and now the norm is 150! That's 25% more! Farang inflation? Haha! It seems also that the 2K for short time is the norm. I remember that I had no problem of getting 1. 5 for short time which has some times returned to overnight because I usually use 5 star hotels and the girls loved them.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the update Life!

It's hard to find a trip report posted on here with any information relevant to my research. Thanks for posting!

It'd be nice to see some decent trip reports in this forum instead of people sniping at one another. I've lurked long enough to know not to ask questions as you either get "RTFF" or the question goes ignored, but it would be nice to see a fresh report with locations and costs so those of us that are looking to plan / budget a trip have an idea of what to look forward to. Also I'd like to point out that, though I have lurked long enough to know some of the slang for various locations, some may not know what we are talking about such as: NEP (for example). If possible, could some of the lesser known abbreviations be annotated.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1496505]Though here we are speaking of CM2, a FSR girl, a stunner, in Bangkok, for LT. How much do you think that would cost in Moscow, one or two thousand Euros?[/QUOTE]If all of the presumptions in the previous statement did hold true then this chick would have had to be a first class moron. Why in Sam Hill would someone move to a foreign land to do the same job for a small fraction of what they could get at home? The people I see relocating for a job tend to do it in order to make more, not less.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1496520]Thus far I've never ever had a "Russian". Not that I can recall. Does that make me a Russian virgin?

I've been tempted by "Russians" or FSR girls a few times in BKK & come close to taking one, but never got the shot off. Partly because of pimps being involved, girls being unavailable for take out, or the circumstances being shady. Some I've seen in convenience stores generally appeared to be major sour pusses.

But I've been satisfying the craving for white meat with Viet & PRC in SG.

The original poster spoke of 200 USD for a ST & 400 for LT. That equates to roughly 6000 & 12000 Baht, rather than the 15000 you mentioned.

BTW, speaking of prices, the various ones you quote for Euro girls are what guys pay for TGs at various venues & locations in LOS. Some reports, if I recall, even speak of Thai gogo superstars demanding 6K for a ST, the same initial asking rate by the CM2 Euro stunner. And perhaps she could have been bartered down a thousand baht or so.[/QUOTE]I visited BKK in March and will probably visit again early next year. There is nothing wrong in loosing Slavic virginity if you wish.

For quick and dirty job pay a visit to Grace coffee shop or Rajeah hotel (but it may be a very good experience)

Grace is usually full of Central Asians women and super rich Middle Eastern men. Most of them born rich so the rates are high and service quality poor. Most girls will be happy to go with you.

Rajeah hotel Quality better and girls may actually be Slavic. You cannot take them out.

Bossy: I never went and I have no idea where is that. I know many unsuccessful CIS from CM2 go there after 2am.

CM2.

I have noticed stunners sometimes in CM2 but they are usually always surrounded by Indians or local Thais who for some reason are willing to pay over the top.

The best CIS spot outside CIS is probably Dubai.

Stunners or no stunners.

I think beauty is in the eyes of beholder. In my case height is very important and that is why in most cases I end up with CIS or African.

Thai Super Stars demanding 6K.

Thai super stars are exceptionally beautiful – definitely more than most CIS in Bangkok.

Just got this email from a wingman:

Forgot to tell you. My real estate agent asked if she could borrow 50,000bt.

Said she overspent in Bali. That was last month. Got an email 3 days ago saying

Her grandmother in Udon needs a 3rd cancer surgery and she needs help.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1496815]Just got this email from a wingman:

Forgot to tell you. My real estate agent asked if she could borrow 50, 000bt.

Said she overspent in Bali. That was last month. Got an email 3 days ago saying

Her grandmother in Udon needs a 3rd cancer surgery and she needs help.[/QUOTE]To read Private Dancer. He should have read it before he came to Thailand.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1496864]To read Private Dancer. He should have read it before he came to Thailand.[/QUOTE]He has read it along with countless other books about the scene. As a matter of fact he passes the books along to me. He has a condo in Pattaya and lived in Brazil before. He has mongered in god knows how many countries. He is actually the one who told me about this website some years ago. So he is no rookie.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1496801]If all of the presumptions in the previous statement did hold true then this chick would have had to be a first class moron. Why in Sam Hill would someone move to a foreign land to do the same job for a small fraction of what they could get at home? The people I see relocating for a job tend to do it in order to make more, not less.[/QUOTE]Could be various reasons for that besides the one you mention.

ISG member Opebo has said he prefers to live & work in LOS even though he could earn more in the USA. The justification for that not being the warm weather, great food & lovely ladies, but that living expenses are so much less in Siam that his standard of living would be higher in the Kingdom despite the lower salary.

Or say the CM2 lady didn't move to the land of som tam, but is stranded there & looking to earn a ticket back home. Or she's under the control of drugs and or pimps who have her passport. Or has a local BF or family in BKK so doesn't want to leave.

Or business in her home nation is slow, such that she can make more in Thaksin's country even though her wage per trick is less. Thirty john's at $400 a shot is 12 times greater than one at $1000.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1496815]Just got this email from a wingman:

Forgot to tell you. My real estate agent asked if she could borrow 50, 000bt.

Said she overspent in Bali. That was last month. Got an email 3 days ago saying

Her grandmother in Udon needs a 3rd cancer surgery and she needs help.[/QUOTE]It seems she skipped the "sick water buffalo" story.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1496909]It seems she skipped the "sick water buffalo" story.[/QUOTE]And amazing death rate in the extended family requiring contributions to more funerals in a village than ever giving the impression that a serial killer is on the loose.

Come off it Mr E. This is news, real news, when a newbie asks for advice but not great news when an experienced monger has the sad story story.

After reading 10 pages of blogs with limited intel, I thought it prudent to post my own:

Within 24hrs in Bangkok, I had 7 SPs:

1. Nana parking lot. 20 yr old cutie. Her friend spoke good English, so invited her friend later for 2 for 1 special. Worked out well. Damage: 1, 500BHT.

2. While eating lunch, saw Uni student with huge rack and braces. Got name of the massage shop she worked. Shitty massage but great BBJ, CIM. Damage: 500BHT.

3. Went for a swim at Nana Hotel. In hotub, crazy tattooed SP was dancing telling me how she specialized in S & M, and DT (even made the noises LOL). Her BF was taking a shit, so she agreed to come to my room in 15 minutes. DT, Anal, ping pong show (I kid you not) , AR, and CIM. Damage: 1000BHT.

4. Rainbow 4. Ladydrink 2 hottest girls. One serious pro (9/10 stunner-flawless Brit English) and huge racked spinner (8/10). Bar fined and had spectacular threesome. Huge rack flaked out at the end, with her Thai BF arguing with her on the phone in the bathroom. Gave her 2, 000BHT to leave. Stunner wanted 5, 000 for LT, almost gave in (amazing GFE) but knew she wouldn't go the distance. 3,000BHT, she went packing. (Saw her back at Rainbow later, she started some drama LOL).

5. At Climax, debating between plastic surgery hottie, petite dancer in neon shorts (was turning down other punters, eyeing me to move in) and midget cutie. Opted for midget cutie who was very chill. Multiple pops, with some amazing trash talk. Damage: 1000BHT

Serious drama night, interesting exploits:

Rainbow 4. Bar fined Seasoned Pro with amazing rack. My mate didn't understand the process, and wanted mine. Some random 6/10 gave him attention, so he barfined her hoping we could switch later. LOL.

Went to bathroom while mine changed, ran into Stunner (see previous report) , more drama. She wanted 7, 000BHT for long time. Seasoned Pro came up pressuring me to leave. Stunner tried to cockblock me (in Thai) saying I had a horsecock. Seasoned Pro dragged me to ST hotel (not our agreement). Rocked my world. Thai bar girls love the drama. I wanted LT with her, but she was straight up telling me she could make more going back to the bar. My mate had kept texting me saying he wanted mine. So we waited in front at a bar for him. LOL He took Seasoned Pro to eat. I went back to Rainbow. Mamasan agreed that since my mate had barfined 6/10 but then she changed her mind, that I could have my pick instead. By then the damage was done, and NO SP would go with me. HAHAHA Damage: 2, 000BHT.

Stunner had already been barfined by some HUGE German. Scowling at me from across the bar. 177 (superhot backup) was gone. I tried negotiating with a few, but Butterfly (me) wasn't getting any response (most wanted ST in ST hotel upstairs). The bar closed. I had a free barfine, but no SP. Finally, I saw a great body roll in to collect her pay, quickly snatched her, but by this time Mamasan had forgotten about the free barfine. As Last Resort was changing, Stunner had returned, glared at me and pouted. 30 minutes later, Last Resort finally came out pouting, not wanting to go (obviously the girls had talked). She complained the whole time back to the hotel (new area). So I punished her. DT, Anal, the works for 1 hr plus. Damage: 2, 000BHT.

No more Rainbow for me. Sticking with freelancers in the clubs.

Any advices for gogos or beer bars for a 3some with the girlfriend. I am in Bangkok from 25 Dec till 19 Jan.

Hi all,

I've been browsing this forum for more than a year and decided to make a post finally. I've been to many countries in Europe and I realized that its' time to go to the heaven of mongers on my next vacation. I am planning to visit Thailand sometime next year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:

1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?

2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?

3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?

4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)

Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Global Surfer;1496811].I have noticed stunners sometimes in CM2 but they are usually always surrounded by Indians or local Thais who for some reason are willing to pay over the top. .[/QUOTE]For most mongering Indians it is a lifelong fantasy to fuck a white skin.

[QUOTE=Zidane10; 1496991]Hi all,

I've been browsing this forum for more than a year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:

1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?

2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?

3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?

4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)

Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]You may have surfed the internet, but you haven't read much of the forum, or gone to other similar sites. All your answers are there. However, here is some help for you,

1. Yes there are high and low seasons. It is very much the tourist season. There are some festivals like Songkran where a lot of the girls go home.

2. No. Desperation yes, seasons No.

3. We have no idea of your average quality.

3. If you read the Pattaya section, you will get a good idea about the price. Your costs will depend on your taste. Add 10% to your calculated budget.

Finally if you have decided to go in the low seasons, why are you asking for low / high season prices?

[QUOTE=Duniawala; 1497034]You may have surfed the internet, but you haven't read much of the forum, or gone to other similar sites. All your answers are there. However, here is some help for you,

1. Yes there are high and low seasons. It is very much the tourist season. There are some festivals like Songkran where a lot of the girls go home.

2. No. Desperation yes, seasons No.

3. We have no idea of your average quality.

3. If you read the Pattaya section, you will get a good idea about the price. Your costs will depend on your taste. Add 10% to your calculated budget.

Finally if you have decided to go in the low seasons, why are you asking for low / high season prices?[/QUOTE]Hi Duniawala,

Thank you very much for the answers. Yes, you're absolutely right that I shouldn't have asked about either seasons, maybe it's just so exciting that my thoughts get confused, but I'll try to read the forum over again. But what comes to average quality I don't know what are others' ideas about it. I was just referring what members here describe as 6/10 or 7/10 and better. But anyway you're right about adding another 10 % to the price. By the way what would be your personal recommendation regarding how many days to spend both in Pattaya and Bangkok for each of them within 10 days?

[QUOTE=Zidane10; 1496991]Hi all,

I've been browsing this forum for more than a year and decided to make a post finally. I've been to many countries in Europe and I realized that its' time to go to the heaven of mongers on my next vacation. I am planning to visit Thailand sometime next year. I've been surfing the internet regarding Thailand, but I have some specific questions to which I couldn't find any answers. So, my questions are as follows:

1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?

2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?

3. I read on this forum that price range in Patayya is more than double cheaper than Bangkok. So, taking into account my 10 days vacation how many days do you recommend for each destination?

4. Given the abovementioned 10 days time period how much money on average should I take with me for solely fucking purposes? (I mean in order to get at least average quality girl every day)

Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".

Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]1. Mongering is always "in season". I never noticed a shortage of girls in Bangkok or Pattaya at anytime of the year.

2. Prices seem pretty stable whatever the time of year. Travel to Thailand and hotel accommodation is more expensive in the tourist high season November till February. Most tourists have no impact on the sex scene however.

3. Pattaya is indeed cheaper than Bangkok, but the difference is not that big. Let's say that in Pattaya there is easier access to cheaper sex. A girl from Beach Road can be as cheap as 500 baht. It will be difficult to find that in Bangkok. But you get the (lack of) quality you pay for.

10 days in Thailand is not long. If you are only interested in the carnal pleasures of Thailand, by all means go to Pattaya the full 10 days. You will not be disappointed. But there is not much to see and do in Pattaya, other than that. In about 4 or 5 days you will have seen all other sights (Beach, temples, shopping malls, floating market, Mini-Siam, crocodile farm,.). Bangkok of course offers lots more.

4. I budget about 3000 baht per day just for adult entertainment (but I do not drink any alcohol, so that cuts the costs somewhat) and most of the time I aim for one LT meeting every other day and perhaps a massage with happy ending in the days I have no LT meeting.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1497075]Most tourists have no impact on the sex scene however.[/QUOTE]And members of ISG on here have no impact on the prices charged by MPs, bar girls, FLs, Escort Agencies or any other form of sex provider.

At best here there are indications of excessive charges, at worst some pay them. At best there are some who have read posts on here, walk away from outrageous charges, at worst, even some pay them.

So the more information on what members pay that is posted on here the better. But not if it provokes the usual storm of accusations of 'ruining the market' and 'you overpaid. '

Just the facts, just the facts please

coming back to bkk for first time in a few years.

i have always preferred nana to cowboy, with rainbow 4 being a necessary first stop, and only then (if still alone) moving on to other bars.

just curious what the lay of the land is now, in a nutshell. i mean, does rb4 still have the most of any bar there, and more or less the cream of the young and or hot ones? i don't have much time, so my preference is usually for as close to 18/19 as possible, just because that is something i can get in bkk that i can't get where i usually am. the risk of starfish isn't something that's a big issue for me. what are some other bars that are pretty good now? last tiime i was there, baccara was best at cowboy, with tilac and shark also pretty good, but not quite on par with rainbow at nana.

and i see below there are quotes of 7000 baht happening? wtf?

what are barfines these days? when i was there last 2000 was a fairly typical st price at nana, maybe 1500 on the low end. they'd quote 3000 for lt that would really turn into a st once in your room, god i hate that.

i've always been curious to take a peek at sapphan kwai, wonder if anyone has tried that out, and could speak to its quality compared to nana and cowboy.

is that disco under ambassador hotel still a pickup spot for fl? that option is a bit too difficult for my taste but could be a backup plan.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1497251]Coming back to BKK for first time in a few years.

What are barfines these days? When I was there last 2000 was a fairly typical ST price at Nana, maybe 1500 on the low end. They'd quote 3000 for LT that would really turn into a ST once in your room, god I hate that.

Is that disco under Ambassador hotel still a pickup spot for FL? That option is a bit too difficult for my taste but could be a backup plan.[/QUOTE]Even blokes with over a thousand posts do not read the back-posts. Lazy?

[QUOTE=Zidane10;1497051]1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene? [/QUOTE]It's definitely easy to find ladies any time of the year, but during high season (roughly November through February) I'd say the scene is thriving. During low season some places are understaffed. Many of the workers like to take long holidays when business is slow.

Right now in Bangkok I see evidence of high season starting. Places I visit are busier than normal. I was at Som's Haven a couple weeks ago and practically every girl was busy and it was only 2:30pm. New massage parlors are opening. Recently a new shop named Analisa opened on Suk. 22. Today on the ISG BKK massage parlor forum I found out some former Mango girls are opening a massage business named "Bamboo Massage". (Cute name, since "Bam" and "Bo" are founders.) November is a good time to be in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1497257]Even blokes with over a thousand posts do not read the back-posts. Lazy?[/QUOTE]Hey, writing all those posts was hard work. I'm entitled to some rest and relaxation, don't you think? ;.)

How many pages back will I need to go to find posts talking about Thai girls, not Russians?

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1496717]If you look at the transportation rates on the small board at the entrance of Nana hotel tells that surely someone pays them, or maybe "negotiating" a 20% cut and happy of his skills! Making the supplier even happier as he could sustain an 80% discount and still walk with a good income.

Somebody paying 80$ for the BKK. Conrad trip should be told to tip 20.[/QUOTE]If you paid $80 from the airport to Conrad Hotel. You should be told to have your head read!

[QUOTE=Zidane10; 1497051]Hi Duniawala,

Thank you very much for the answers. Yes, you're absolutely right that I shouldn't have asked about either seasons, maybe it's just so exciting that my thoughts get confused, but I'll try to read the forum over again. But what comes to average quality I don't know what are others' ideas about it. I was just referring what members here describe as 6/10 or 7/10 and better. But anyway you're right about adding another 10 % to the price. By the way what would be your personal recommendation regarding how many days to spend both in Pattaya and Bangkok for each of them within 10 days?[/QUOTE]1. Just take a look at the pics in the Photo gallery. Rate your own from there.

2. Just split it in half. Go to Pattaya first. Hotel prices are generally cheaper in Pattaya. And so are the women. But as Wolvenacht said you may like the quality better in BKK. That's up to you.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1497251]Coming back to BKK for first time in a few years.

I have always preferred Nana to Cowboy, with Rainbow 4 being a necessary first stop, and only then (if still alone) moving on to other bars.

Just curious what the lay of the land is now, in a nutshell. I mean, does RB4 still have the most of any bar there, and more or less the cream of the young and or hot ones? I don't have much time, so my preference is usually for as close to 18/19 as possible, just because that is something I can get in BKK that I can't get where I usually am. The risk of starfish isn't something that's a big issue for me. What are some other bars that are pretty good now? Last tiime I was there, Baccara was best at Cowboy, with Tilac and Shark also pretty good, but not quite on par with Rainbow at Nana.

What are barfines these days? When I was there last 2000 was a fairly typical ST price at Nana, maybe 1500 on the low end. They'd quote 3000 for LT that would really turn into a ST once in your room, god I hate that.[/QUOTE]Rainbow 4 still has the crème de la crème in BKK Go Go bargirls as far as looks are concerned. There are always 4 or 5 stunners on the right hand side bar stage as you enter, but I think the competition is heating up in Nana. The other Rainbow bars are definitely worth a look see. I favorite girl of mine and a stunner as well now works in Rainbow 1. I also recommend that you check out Mandarin and Billboard. I think you will find some very friendly girls there.

That said, I am surprised that you write the starfish risk is not a big issue for you because that is precisely what turns me off about Rainbow 4. In fact it is because of this attitude so common among many of the RB4 girls, that I have altered my hunting methods when it comes to them. I won't barfine a RB4 girl the first time I meet her. Instead I will buy her a drink, get to know her a little, and equally importantly, let her get to know me a little bit and understand that I am aware of and not into the ST hustle: the 'I want to get back to the bar and find another customer' BS mentality that is too common amongst RB4 girls. On a 2nd or 3rd visit to RB4, If the girl I am interested in remembers me and seems happy to see me, then and only then will I barfine her. So RB4 is a 2 step barfine process for me. As a result I have had some great sessions with a couple of really good looking girls there. My screening process has also resulted in my barfining a lot less girls out of RB4 than I otherwise would have barfined. I am ok with that because I consider a starfish session or a rushed get back to the bar session a waste of my time and money no matter how beautiful the girl is.

Of course I have the semi luxury of time on my side because I usually spend 3 weeks in BKK per trip and I already know a few really great girls from past trips. If a punter was on a short time constraint in BKK or didn't know any girls, I would advise that he forget about RB4 and go to Cowboy (Baccara, Suzi Wong, Crazy House, and Shark). On a looks basis only comparison between Rainbow 4 and Baccara, I would say the top 4 or 5 most attractive Go Go girls are in RB4, and then the next 20 best looking girls are in Baccara. So Baccara has more acceptable / barfine able attractive girls than RB4, but RB4 has the top 5 girls IMHO. I never had a starfish experience with a Baccara girl or with any Soi Cowboy girl for that matter. Maybe I am just lucky or maybe it is just that I am so damn good looking. 555. Prices in Cowboy and Nana have been holding steady for the last 9 months or so. 600bt barfine and 2000bt ST/3000bt LT seems to be the current price.

I look forward to reading your take on Nana and Cowboy after a few years absence.

NB

I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night. Not that there is anything wrong with Nana and Cowboy. It's great and I love it, but Saphan Kwai is old school and seems like time travelling back 20 to 30 years distance from the glitzy Sukhumvit scene we have today. Most of the customers are Thai, but I also spotted some Japanese customers too.

There are about 10 bars in Saphan Kwai all around the Suda Palace Hotel. I have checked out Music VDO, TDED 99, For You and RCA 2. They all had possibilities so YMMV on any given night. I liked T DED 99 and Music VDO bar best. T DED 99 is very large. It looked like they had at least 50 girls consisting of strippers and hostess girls. Many of the girls were very attractive and young. Until you learn your way around, I suggest you hang out in one of these popular bars with plenty of other customers around. Avoid the bars with few customers.

Ok, so you enter a particular establishment. You can look around and decide if you want to stay. If you decide to stay, they seat you in a booth. You can order beer (only large bottles available with a bucket of ice but at a very good price) or a bottle of whiskey if you are in a group of 3 or 4. You can also order food. Then the mamasans or papasans will bring girls around. If you like a girl you can invite her to sit with you. If you spot a different girl you like, you can ask the mama to bring her by and introduce her. There is a sitting fee of 80bt per girl for every 30 minutes. There are no lady drinks. So there you are, sitting with a nice girl, watching the show (some nudity) , drinking your beer, and maybe eating a little Thai food. The girls are nice. I had a little hanky panky going on under the table with my girl. The mamasan spoke enough English to communicate with. My girl spoke a bare minimum of English, but she smiled a lot and that made up for our lack of verbal communication. I liked her. After an hour or so, I felt like having a Boom Boom. I called the mama over and we conducted our business. First I had my offer conveyed to my girl and she responded favorably to my invitation. Prices are all inclusive of barfine + hotel across the street and payable up front to the mama. ST is 1800bt and LT is 2800bt. The session was a lot of fun. No PSE or anything, but nice. Added to my pleasure was the risqué element of doing this young girl in a ST Saphan Kwai Hotel. The feeling kind of reminded me of my first shags in BKK back in the 80's. It was definitely worth my time and money and yes I will go back again.

[QUOTE=Zidane10; 1496991]1. Are there high / low seasons when it comes to mongering scene?

2. Does high / low season affect prices for girls and hotels?

Personally, I'd like to visit on low season due to some reasons that are not related to financial matters. In my native language we have saying "the more stuff / option you have, the less quality it eventually becomes".[/QUOTE]The tourist high season is when tourists numbers are typically higher than in the low season.

The mongering high season is the tourist low season.

That is when mongers have a higher ratio of girls available to themselves due to relatively lower number of punters which therefore equates to less competition than in the tourist high season.

On that basis I prefer & suggest coming in the low visitor season, not November through March. May & June may be the best.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1497441]I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night.

(...)

Prices are all inclusive of barfine + hotel across the street and payable up front to the mama. ST is 1800bt and LT is 2800bt.[/QUOTE]That is interesting.

How long is their idea of ST? 2 hours, multiple pops?

For LT will they come with you to your hotel?

Shocking to say the least! Security in Bangkok go-go's are low class crims loaded on apmhetamines. If challenged at any point just shut up, smile, turn and walk away. Don't even try to reason or argue.

Your skin could be as white as the driven snow but they still hate you (although they will tolerate you, just). I have seen a guy sucker punched and then kicked in the face once he was down. And no he was not brown, but a white Brit. This put me off Nana for a while (back in 2005).

Bouncers in Bali are no better, but I reckon they need to be that way to control those completely uncouth Aussie teens. Witnessed some extreme punch ups that would put anyone off mongering for a while.

[QUOTE=Yomama99; 1493091]I was in BKK for a business trip and decided to go to Nana on my last night. I had dinner and a single beer and headed out to check out the scene. I was totally sober and clear headed. I walked into the entry way of Rainbow 4 cause it seemed to have a lot of girls chilling outside. From behind the curtain, the bouncer pushed me hard and said cannot enter. (I am Indian ethnically but am from the US. My family left India over 100 years ago). I asked why though I knew it was due to being of Indian descent. My questioning why I could not enter made him even angrier and he started shouting at me making a scene. I backed off the entrance to the big corridor in front of all the bars and another guy who spoke better English came and started literally shouting at me. Saying he hated me, accusing me of not having money, to go away, etc. I asked him to calm down and he went ballistic.

Out of the blue, the two Rainbow 4 bouncers and this guy jumped on me. One guys held my head in a lock while another guy punched me in the face. Then they dragged me away and threw me on the ground. Man. This has never happened to me before. I went to find the police to make a report but only saw some private security around.

This happened two days ago and my face is still bruised, my lip is swollen, and my neck is tweaked. I thank my lucky stars I did not resist because I probably would have ended up with a knife in my side.

Warning! Rainbow 4 is run by gangsters. No matter where you are from, do not enter unless you want a trip to a Bangkok hospital scene or a police station.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1497441]I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night. Not that there is anything wrong with Nana and Cowboy. It's great and I love it, but Saphan Kwai is old school and seems like time travelling back 20 to 30 years distance from the glitzy Sukhumvit scene we have today. Most of the customers are Thai, but I also spotted some Japanese customers too.

There are about 10 bars in Saphan Kwai all around the Suda Palace Hotel. I have checked out Music VDO, TDED 99, For You and RCA 2. They all had possibilities so YMMV on any given night. I liked T DED 99 and Music VDO bar best. T DED 99 is very large. It looked like they had at least 50 girls consisting of strippers and hostess girls. Many of the girls were very attractive and young. Until you learn your way around, I suggest you hang out in one of these popular bars with plenty of other customers around. Avoid the bars with few customers.

Ok, so you enter a particular establishment. You can look around and decide if you want to stay. If you decide to stay, they seat you in a booth. You can order beer (only large bottles available with a bucket of ice but at a very good price) or a bottle of whiskey if you are in a group of 3 or 4. You can also order food. Then the mamasans or papasans will bring girls around. If you like a girl you can invite her to sit with you. If you spot a different girl you like, you can ask the mama to bring her by and introduce her. There is a sitting fee of 80bt per girl for every 30 minutes. There are no lady drinks. So there you are, sitting with a nice girl, watching the show (some nudity) , drinking your beer, and maybe eating a little Thai food. The girls are nice. I had a little hanky panky going on under the table with my girl. The mamasan spoke enough English to communicate with. My girl spoke a bare minimum of English, but she smiled a lot and that made up for our lack of verbal communication. I liked her. After an hour or so, I felt like having a Boom Boom. I called the mama over and we conducted our business. First I had my offer conveyed to my girl and she responded favorably to my invitation. Prices are all inclusive of barfine + hotel across the street and payable up front to the mama. ST is 1800bt and LT is 2800bt. The session was a lot of fun. No PSE or anything, but nice. Added to my pleasure was the risqué element of doing this young girl in a ST Saphan Kwai Hotel. The feeling kind of reminded me of my first shags in BKK back in the 80's. It was definitely worth my time and money and yes I will go back again.[/QUOTE]That sounds like I should check it out, so short term means 2 shots?

[QUOTE=AssLover945;1497558]That sounds like I should check it out, so short term means 2 shots?[/QUOTE]

This is almost [B]never[/B] The case these days unless you specifically negotiate it.

BTW, specifying two shots in advance (and getting the girl to agree) is a great way of weeding out the ones who are looking to turn over a customer and be out as fast as possible. They'll disqualify themselves so you don't have to waste time and money. Agreeing explicitly in advance is better than leaving it unsaid since a large class of girls would stay if necessary, but normally leave after a single shot.

Sadly, the times of the old-style 2h "short time" where many girls would hang around until you asked them to leave are long, long gone.

Can't comment on Saphan Kwai specifically (last time I've been there is many years ago), but generally, service quality in the Thai-oriented segment of the industry is lower than in the Farang-oriented one, it's good to adjust expectations accordingly.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1497642]BTW, specifying two shots in advance (and getting the girl to agree) is a great way of weeding out the ones who are looking to turn over a customer and be out as fast as possible.[/QUOTE]My problem with this kind of thing was succeeding in negotiating the LT and then right after completing the deed (quickly! Why worry about cumming too fast when you have all night long for the next one) the girl is immediately begging to leave. Oh, and still wants the LT rate. Especially galling because if I had known it was going to be ST I would have slowed things down a bit and enjoyed it more. So to have an eyeblink of a ST for the LT rate, man, that is really hard to deal with. So the "2 shots" thing works? Maybe that's what we need to say instead of "LT". Now they seem to think LT seems means "I'm a complete idiot who prefers to pay double for ST".

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1497405]Rainbow 4 still has the crème de la crème in BKK Go Go bargirls as far as looks are concerned.[/QUOTE]Wow even the words "crème de la crème" sound sexy, with their little accents and French maid outfits. That's what we need, a French maid go-go bar. Ooh la la. Yeah so this is good to know. I think I will have to at least visit the RB's there. I'll give SC a go if I have time. My time is very short this visit, might get 2 nights maximum. When I'm not in Thailand I can get comparable price and quality of not-quite-stunners, so the experience of one of those top 5 there is nice for a change.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1497441]I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters[/QUOTE]I I ddi not

Wow, great report. If I get enough time I will try to check some of these places out too. Way back when, some time around 2000, these were the very first places I saw in Bangkok. It was my first time in Asia, and long story short a taxi driver took me to a hotel up there when the one I wanted in Sukhumvit was booked, and I saw some of these places on my way to the hotel, which was right around the corner from them. I was completely green at the time, had never been with a working girl at all, so I didn't go check them out. I've always been curious but also have been too short of time when in BKK to risk an evening for just there, and it is pretty secluded. Now with What's a good time to go, any idea?

Hey guys, I have received a lot of PM's about Saphan Kwai which tells me many of us are looking for something new and different. I will answer all PM's, but here is a follow up to the original post and a clarification of sorts.

First and foremost, the Saphan Kwai Bar Scene is a Thai entertainment area. At least 90% of the customers are Thai guys in their late 20's / early 30's. Farangs are welcome and treated fairly, but understand this: Saphan Kwai is their ballpark, their rules, and their girls. Don't come here if you are not appreciative of this fact and are not willing to play it their way. The girls are young and friendly although their English speaking skills are very low. You may be a girl's 1st or 20th Farang as opposed to an RB4 girl, who only caters to foreign visitors, where you can be the girl's 1000th Farang. So don't expect a lot of the Sukhumvit extra bells and whistles like A+, rim jobs, cum in mouth, or ménage a trois. Things are real simple and straightforward here, but at the same time, do not expect to see spoiled, bad attitude, bad behavior here either. It is just straight old fashion sex with a little kissing and maybe a BBBJ thrown in. Don't expect multiple shots. ST is 1 hour or 1 pop whichever comes first. My girl was very sweet and she showed no inclination to rush back to the bar to find another customer. So I had a real good time. LT here means multiple pops, so I would guesstimate a LT session would last 2 or 3 hours, but no longer. The game is always played at their ST Hotel across the street. You are not going to be able to change this unless you become a regular customer and friends with one of the mamasans. If you became a regular, I think more things would be possible and they would loosen up and let you take a girl back to your hotel. Everything in the bar is pretty cheap, but they have a few mandatory extras not found in Sukhumvit Go Go's. For example, beer comes only in the large 640ml bottles for around 100bt, but you will also be charged 10bt for a cold towel and 25bt for a bucket of ice. Don't argue and say you don't want these extras. And like I reported before, there is an 80bt sitting fee per girl for every 30 minutes she spends at your table. There are no lady drinks. Don't quibble! A night out just drinking and watching the show in the company of a cute girl in one of these bars is far less expensive than a night out in any Nana / Cowboy Go Go. And by the way, there is no Cowboy 2 step shuffle here. The girls actually dance!

So why go? To try something different, to have fun in a different bar setting with a real Thai urban middle class/working class culture, and to spend time with a kind of Thai working girl that we are normally not used to. Obviously this area is not for all punters, but I enjoyed it and I know some of you guys will too.

To get there either take a taxi or take the BTS Sukhumvit line to Saphan Kwai Station. Exit the station and walk south the way you came along the east side of Phahonyothin Road. Turn left at the first intersection which is Sutthison Winitchai Road. Walk a few blocks down and you will come to the bars. It is a good neighborhood. No problems. I think the best time to go is around 10:30 to 11pm to get a good seat. All the girls will be there by 11pm. The bars close at 3am. I think Friday and Saturday night would be the best night to come and see the bars rocking with the most excitement and customers, but Thursday night might be the best night to come and find the right girl. Have fun fellow explorers.

Apologies if these question is a little annoying but I have searched the forum and googled extensively and still cannot find definitive answers.

1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?

I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners[/url]

2. Where can I buy Viagra in Bangkok (preferably Sukhumvit area) and how much does it cost? I'm happy with generic sildenafil. I have several packets at home and it works just as good for me.

Thanks guys

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1497441]I highly recommend the Saphan Kwai bar scene to experienced BKK punters who want to have a different barhop kind of experience from the usual Nana / Cowboy same same every night.[/QUOTE]Great info. I've heard about Saphan Kwai and it sounds interesting with pretty girls with good attitudes at cheaper prices. But there is something about the bright lights of Nana and Cowboy that keeps dragging me back whenever I'm in Bangkok. I like to try new places though so on my next trip early next year I may well check it out.

Hi,

I've been coming to BKK quite a lot but I normally just get my girls in massage parlours or pick them up in clubs. This forum has been helpful in showing me how to approach girs here along with their prices.

I just have a couple of questions though, do girls work in hotels? As in to they only hang out around certain hotels rather than at Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy, and is there a way to tell which ones are working ones?

Also is there anywhere in BKK where girls from different ethnicities hang out, such as Indian, White or Black? I would really like to have one of those if possible.

Thanks for any help in advance.

[QUOTE=Sammyt; 1497888]1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?

I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners[/url][/QUOTE]I replied to Sammy's questions via PM, but I haven't seen anyone have their luggage searched at Bangkok's airports (either one) in donkey's years. I just can't imagine getting searched for vitamin V.

[QUOTE=HornyDude353; 1497919]Hi,

I've been coming to BKK quite a lot but I normally just get my girls in massage parlours or pick them up in clubs. This forum has been helpful in showing me how to approach girs here along with their prices.

I just have a couple of questions though, do girls work in hotels? As in to they only hang out around certain hotels rather than at Nana plaza or Soi Cowboy, and is there a way to tell which ones are working ones?

Also is there anywhere in BKK where girls from different ethnicities hang out, such as Indian, White or Black? I would really like to have one of those if possible.

Thanks for any help in advance.[/QUOTE]I don't think the ladies actually work for hotels, but many hang out in front of them. Some hang out in Soi 4 in front of the Dynasty Inn. Some on Sukhumvit in front of the Landmark, some in front of Hotels in Soi 7/1. Those are only a few examples. They will generally be obvious and or will approach you and ask if you want company. Look them in the eye and they will likely smile and approach you.

Walk down Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 11 and you will likely see Black women. Last night a Russian women asked me if I wanted company. She was sitting outside of the Starbucks on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7/1. These are just a few examples.

[QUOTE=Sammyt; 1497888]Apologies if these question is a little annoying but I have searched the forum and googled extensively and still cannot find definitive answers.

1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?

I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners[/url]

2. Where can I buy Viagra in Bangkok (preferably Sukhumvit area) and how much does it cost? I'm happy with generic sildenafil. I have several packets at home and it works just as good for me.

Thanks guys[/QUOTE]Look at the date when that submission was posted on the Thai Visa Forum and you should be able to ascertain its veracity!

[QUOTE=Sammyt; 1497888]Apologies if these question is a little annoying but I have searched the forum and googled extensively and still cannot find definitive answers.

1. Is it legal to take Viagra or its geneeric sildenafil into Thailand?

I have found one report that suggests you might get into a lot of sh*t if caught.

[url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/544861-thailand-cracks-down-on-viagra-for-foreigners[/url]

2. Where can I buy Viagra in Bangkok (preferably Sukhumvit area) and how much does it cost? I'm happy with generic sildenafil. I have several packets at home and it works just as good for me.

Thanks guys[/QUOTE]You can buy ED drugs at a lot of Pharmacies. One I used is on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. If you are on Soi 4 and walking towards Sukhumvit turn right and it will be within a few steps on the right. You have to be looking for it as it may not be so obvious.

I do not believe there are any problems with bringing ED drugs to Thailand. Taking them home without a prescription could get you in deep sh*t.

Good luck

[QUOTE=TimTimGuy;1498023]I replied to Sammy's questions via PM, but I haven't seen anyone have their luggage searched at Bangkok's airports (either one) in donkey's years. I just can't imagine getting searched for vitamin V.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your help and replies guys.

My generic vitamin V will be staying in my bathroom cabinet at home now that I know where to buy it in Bangkok.

Guys,

My flight is two days from now and every time I check the Bangkok post website it scares the hell out of me.

First there were the yellow shirts in protest, now the red seems to be getting into the action and not to forget the courts (they seem to be adding fuel to fire)

I feel time is ripe for all tourists to hold a protest rally of their own "please let us monger in peace" we'll take the girls along too.

On a serious note, all you guys already in BKK. Please advice what the situation is like and seems to be developing for the next weeks.

Do not want to be confined to my Soi 11 hotel.

Bye!

[QUOTE=BkkCracy; 1498160]Guys,

My flight is two days from now and every time I check the Bangkok post website it scares the hell out of me.

First there were the yellow shirts in protest, now the red seems to be getting into the action and not to forget the courts (they seem to be adding fuel to fire)

I feel time is ripe for all tourists to hold a protest rally of their own "please let us monger in peace" we'll take the girls along too.

On a serious note, all you guys already in BKK. Please advice what the situation is like and seems to be developing for the next weeks.

Do not want to be confined to my Soi 11 hotel.

Bye![/QUOTE]If I didn't read your post I would not have known of any protests. Maybe they are yet to come, but Soi 11 is safe at the moment. I was there today.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1498106]Walk down Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 11 and you will likely see Black women. Last night a Russian women asked me if I wanted company. She was sitting outside of the Starbucks on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7/1. These are just a few examples.[/QUOTE]It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.

I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Can recommend you Lavana Spa, no 4 Soi Sukhumvit 12,

[url]http://www.lavanabangkok.com[/url]

Nice and clean Spa facilities and good place to go for a massage together with your girlfriend.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Go to the what Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace) , it is the center of real Thai massage.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1498286]Go to the what Pho temple (next to the Royal Palace) , it is the center of real Thai massage.[/QUOTE]You also might try The King and I. It is on Sukhumvit Soi 12. My Thai friend goes there and reports back that it is very good, no extras.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1498199]It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.[/QUOTE]It is Subway on the corner of 7/1 where the Russian Elena sits (terrace) and propositions to passer by's. She dares to ask even 1800 If she thinks the guy is a newcomer. Anal doesn't seem to be in her menu.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending[/QUOTE]Cefle. In the small side street opp Office, near the old Livingstone's Lodge, Soi 33. Tel: 026 623 304

[QUOTE=Wendella;1497751]My problem with this kind of thing was succeeding in negotiating the LT and then right after completing the deed (quickly! Why worry about cumming too fast when you have all night long for the next one) the girl is immediately begging to leave. Oh, and still wants the LT rate. Especially galling because if I had known it was going to be ST I would have slowed things down a bit and enjoyed it more. So to have an eyeblink of a ST for the LT rate, man, that is really hard to deal with. So the "2 shots" thing works? Maybe that's what we need to say instead of "LT". Now they seem to think LT seems means "I'm a complete idiot who prefers to pay double for ST".[/QUOTE]I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.

The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls ( 60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.

It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Asian Herbal Association. Sukhumvit Soi 24

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1498308]I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.

The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls (60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.

It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.[/QUOTE]I guess we have different experience then. From my latest BKK stays (8 so far this year and still more coming) I feel BKK is the same as before if not better. My experience with BKK is atleast somewhere around 70 visits last 8 years (until end of 2012). The girls I get comfy with perform good in the sack and gives GFE / PSE and more than LT sessions (if I like). They did 8 years ago and still do. The latter years the FL scene is blooming more and more from what I can see. When I speak of FL scene I do not speak of streetwalkers. Only girls hanging in nightclubs and simular venues.

I do invest a bit time into screening and chemistry building and NEVER discuss any money issues. If possible I let girls choose me but the other way around also works well. I can not remember having a girl starting to discuss her price expectations this year (ex one time visiting Spanky in NEP). Infact i can not say I remember any pricediscussions upon leaving a venue whatsoever. On rare occation over the years maby 3 or 4 girls have started to ask how much I give them when in my room. Then it is pants on and walk her back for a new try. My motivation for doing it like this is ofcourse I strongly believe a girl will perform hard to get a good compensation. In most cases money are never mentioned but i allways compensate them even if not needed. If I can sense a girl would be offended by me offering her money I switch the money into gift mode.

But I guess you are stuck into the BG / GoGo scene am I right? In that case I almost don't know anything about that bcs I don't find that setting attractive at all and I have had 3 BF`s over 11 years of mongering heavily (in my early years only did mongering in Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil). I am a 99,8% FL guy..

By the way before someone talks about the safety issue. The only girl steeling money from me was a girl I did BF. So thumbs up for BKK it is pussy heaven FL wice and still very cheap.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1498317]I guess we have different experience then. From my latest BKK stays (8 so far this year and still more coming) I feel BKK is the same as before if not better. My experience with BKK is atleast somewhere around 70 visits last 8 years (until end of 2012). The girls I get comfy with perform good in the sack and gives GFE / PSE and more than LT sessions (if I like). They did 8 years ago and still do. The latter years the FL scene is blooming more and more from what I can see. When I speak of FL scene I do not speak of streetwalkers. Only girls hanging in nightclubs and simular venues.

I do invest a bit time into screening and chemistry building and NEVER discuss any money issues. If possible I let girls choose me but the other way around also works well. I can not remember having a girl starting to discuss her price expectations this year (ex one time visiting Spanky in NEP). Infact I can not say I remember any pricediscussions upon leaving a venue whatsoever. On rare occation over the years maby 3 or 4 girls have started to ask how much I give them when in my room. Then it is pants on and walk her back for a new try. My motivation for doing it like this is ofcourse I strongly believe a girl will perform hard to get a good compensation. In most cases money are never mentioned but I allways compensate them even if not needed. If I can sense a girl would be offended by me offering her money I switch the money into gift mode.

But I guess you are stuck into the BG / GoGo scene am I right? In that case I almost don't know anything about that bcs I don't find that setting attractive at all and I have had 3 BF`s over 11 years of mongering heavily (in my early years only did mongering in Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil). I am a 99, 8% FL guy.

By the way before someone talks about the safety issue. The only girl steeling money from me was a girl I did BF. So thumbs up for BKK it is pussy heaven FL wice and still very cheap.[/QUOTE]Better? As a resident I find it far worse. The FL scene is only good at the perceived "high-end." Girls that used to be in Thermae, the BG, and the street are now going to the higher end discos and getting far more money. Good for them. But I for one am not going to pay that kind of money for the same Isaan girl in a little bit better dress. Still a gal with a sixth grade "edumacation."

The FL scene was better when the economy was not so good. Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1498308]I don't even bother asking for LTs anymore. A proper LT requires a certain degree of chemistry, and this is no longer easy to find. If the girl is actively showing that she doesn't want to be there, then I don't really want her there. Going with an ST first, and then extending it to an LT if both of us are comfortable works better for me.

The "2 shot ST" condition used to work really well for me up to 1-2 years ago (girls rarely refusing) , but now I'm finding that more girls (60%) flat out refuse. And that's the end of the discussion. I'm willing to negotiate the price, but have no interest whatsoever in crappy service and poor attitude.

It's the changing nature of the scene, girls are far more mercenary these days.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Because the punters don't demand it. And they make so much in STs that they do not need to cultivate any type of relationship.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending[/QUOTE]Try the King & I at sukhumvit. I've gone a couple of times (years ago!) with Tulip girls who were staying with me for multiple days. Nice to have a good massage after (or before) mind-blowing good sex at my apartment! You can find reviews on Trip Advisor. TTG

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1498395]Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.[/QUOTE]Last March I stayed for a while at T21 so I stopped by Thermae on many nights after l said bye bye to my favorite Go Go girl. I liked hunting the late night FL scene from Sukhumvit Asok to Soi 11 and back even if I was not really into getting laid again. First I would check out Thermae and then later make it over to Soi 11. If I did not pick up a girl in Climax, I would walk back to my hotel and usually stop off for a night cap at a friendly roll-away Sukhumvit street bar where I had become friends with the bar girl that worked there and that I had shagged one time. Anyway I always saw some acceptable girls in Thermae and received a lot of smiles and invitations, but I never saw a girl I had to have. They all seemed a little drab and mostly sub-par Go Go quality to me. Then one night a gem walked into Thermae. She was an 8 and she was dressed fine. She walked around the island once and on her second turn I smiled and said hello. She smiled and we struck up a conversation. She spoke English very well. She said she owned a condo and worked in a law office. She also said she only occasionally stopped by Thermae maybe once or twice a month and only when she wanted to. She proudly said she was 29 and I had no reason to doubt all this or care. This was my lucky night. At 10pm I had shagged my favorite Go Go girl and at 1am I was shagging this fox. It was a memorable session. But, I never saw Mai again after that night or anybody even approaching her quality in Thermae. She was the exception to the rule. I tried texting and calling her, but I must have incorrectly written down her number (I had accidentally smudged the numbers on a small piece of paper) or she might have given me a wrong number on purpose. I will never know. Oh well. That's BKK.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1498395]Better? As a resident I find it far worse. The FL scene is only good at the perceived "high-end." Girls that used to be in Thermae, the BG, and the street are now going to the higher end discos and getting far more money. Good for them. But I for one am not going to pay that kind of money for the same Isaan girl in a little bit better dress. Still a gal with a sixth grade "edumacation."

The FL scene was better when the economy was not so good. Thermae would attract semi-pros who had office jobs and needed to supplement their incomes. These girls were degreed, could hold a conversation, and were a bit more selective in who they went with, meaning some fun times. They viewed it as a night out with benefits. With the economy in good shape, well perceived good shape, and workers making a living wage, they don't tend to come out much anymore.[/QUOTE]Yes better from my experience as a frequent visitor the last 8 years. Girls you describe from Thermae (semi pros) are mostly the kind of girls I end up with. And even if it is hard to categorize all the girls in a venue I have still no problem finding them or the other way around. Most of my take outs have work or they need some extras for their studies or both(they seem educated, speaks fair to good english and are well behaved). Surprisingly many drive their own cars these days so maby they also need fuelmoney / morgagemoney. When you describe your high end discos I presume you mean places like Insanity, Climax, CM2, Spasso, Mixx, Shock, Bossy, Thermae (approx 1 year since I did a pretty good take out from the left side lined up girs) , Levels, Q-Bar, Bash? From those I only rate A few of them as high end(Levels, Bash, Q Bar). To me the high end clubs are located away from most of these FL nightclubs and cater almost all in to regular Thaigirls (hiso, middleclass girls). A bit more complicated in places like that but take outs can be had but here some personal game comes in handy and ofcourse some girls are looking for sugar daddies as well.

I see more ladies these days in mentioned FL places and one reason could ofcourse be that more and more girls leave the bar / gogo scene as they want to work indipendantly(i could ofcourse be lucky with time and place but i do not think so as i visit them places quite regulary). But the semi pros are still out there and as easy to locate as before (my experience). I compensate the same today as I did 8 years ago (3k more or less) but since I do not discuss any pricings upfront girls don't know what they will get. I don't discuss any timeframe either but in general it ends in LT and above with very few limitations (some are naturaly not into A+ play). But ofcourse from my spendings in the club when they meet me I do think they will not review me as a cheap charlie so I guess most of them atleast expect some compensation.

I am a well educated guy and even if I don't live in BKK to see the same places every day all year around I am not blind to changes (as economy is getting better and more available work to be had but still pay shitty though). But to me BKK is still a very cheap place to monger which has not changed for the worse the latest 8 years both in prices (FL's) and amount of available girls. Stay strong and monger hard.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1498416]Yes better from my experience as a frequent visitor the last 8 years. Girls you describe from Thermae (semi pros) are mostly the kind of girls I end up with. And even if it is hard to categorize all the girls in a venue I have still no problem finding them or the other way around. Most of my take outs have work or they need some extras for their studies or both (they seem educated, speaks fair to good english and are well behaved). Surprisingly many drive their own cars these days so maby they also need fuelmoney / morgagemoney. When you describe your high end discos I presume you mean places like Insanity, Climax, CM2, Spasso, Mixx, Shock, Bossy, Thermae (approx 1 year since I did a pretty good take out from the left side lined up girs) , Levels, Q-Bar, Bash? From those I only rate A few of them as high end (Levels, Bash, Q Bar). To me the high end clubs are located away from most of these FL nightclubs and cater almost all in to regular Thaigirls (hiso, middleclass girls). A bit more complicated in places like that but take outs can be had but here some personal game comes in handy and ofcourse some girls are looking for sugar daddies as well.

I see more ladies these days in mentioned FL places and one reason could ofcourse be that more and more girls leave the bar / gogo scene as they want to work indipendantly (I could ofcourse be lucky with time and place but I do not think so as I visit them places quite regulary). But the semi pros are still out there and as easy to locate as before (my experience). I compensate the same today as I did 8 years ago (3k more or less) but since I do not discuss any pricings upfront girls don't know what they will get. I don't discuss any timeframe either but in general it ends in LT and above with very few limitations (some are naturaly not into A+ play). But ofcourse from my spendings in the club when they meet me I do think they will not review me as a cheap charlie so I guess most of them atleast expect some compensation.

I am a well educated guy and even if I don't live in BKK to see the same places every day all year around I am not blind to changes (as economy is getting better and more available work to be had but still pay shitty though). But to me BKK is still a very cheap place to monger which has not changed for the worse the latest 8 years both in prices (FL's) and amount of available girls. Stay strong and monger hard.[/QUOTE]Interesting to read about your experiences. Of course we all come at it from a different perspective.

I would rate the prices of many of those clubs as "high end," omitting maybe Climax and Insanity. Drinks are at Western prices and gals are asking in many of them close to what you would pay in the West. And yes, I would say many of the gals there are looking for sugar daddies and are not quite good looking enough for well to do Thai guys.

To me 100 USD (3k) is a lot of money to pay for a ST experience. In fact when you account for currency changes it is 4X what the average ST was 10 years ago. LT, I could see it, but then again I have a live in here and do not take gals LT.

Of course I also don't enjoy the music in discos and have no desire to hang out drinking with a bunch of gals. The "party" aspect has just become less appealing.

Now if there was a great bar that had hundreds of craft beers, bands like Wilco playing, and working girls, I would be all over it.

Peace. Have Fun!

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1498299]It is Subway on the corner of 7/1 where the Russian Elena sits (terrace) and propositions to passer by's. She dares to ask even 1800 If she thinks the guy is a newcomer. Anal doesn't seem to be in her menu.[/QUOTE]Actually she was sitting at Subway. However, if you are walking down Sukhumvit from Soi 7, you will see Coffee World first on the corner and Subway, which you don't see until you get to 7/1 and turn left or look back. They share the same building.

She is definitely not one of those hot looking Russians, but she is white, if that is what someone wants.

Hi everyone,

I am interested in Russian / Uzbaki or euro girl. For that which is better place BKK or Pattaya. I know the places in BKK to find Russian girls but I have not been to Pattaya since last 10 year. Update on that will be highly appreciated.

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Cefle in Soi 33. In the alley opposite the old Livingstone Lodge. They are full in the evenings so make reservation.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1498431]To me 100 USD (3k) is a lot of money to pay for a ST experience. In fact when you account for currency changes it is 4X what the average ST was 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]You can't use currency fluctuation in your valuation of what the price was 10 years ago. Keep the argument in the currency your paying the girl. I used to pay $85 USD for an hour in Canada when the exchange rate was 1. 55 to 1 USD. The canadian rate ten years ago was in the $140 cad range. The rate today is $180 to $200 cad. Not a huge jump for the average canadian but now that the USD is 1:1 tourists from the USA are now paying $180 (more than double).

So what was the price for ST in thai baht ten years ago vs ST today in thai baht?

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1498106]I don't think the ladies actually work for hotels, but many hang out in front of them. Some hang out in Soi 4 in front of the Dynasty Inn. Some on Sukhumvit in front of the Landmark, some in front of Hotels in Soi 7/1. Those are only a few examples. They will generally be obvious and or will approach you and ask if you want company. Look them in the eye and they will likely smile and approach you.

Walk down Sukhumvit between Soi 5 and 11 and you will likely see Black women. Last night a Russian women asked me if I wanted company. She was sitting outside of the Starbucks on the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 7/1. These are just a few examples.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Another question I just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? I have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. I just want to know if anyone has been to any, I have seen a few like star of light, Kangaroos & Dr BJ's but always been hesitant to go in.

Also with freelance girls is there a higher chance of getting conned?

Fellow mongers,

I have been RTFB, and have seen nothing of late on the Beer Garden in Bangkok. Any reports on that or the general freelancer scene in the area of late?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2;1498199]It's actually Coffee World not Starbucks. Just saw the Russian lady again and another blonde sitting near her.[/QUOTE]Starbucks, Coffee World or Subway and the same (older) Russians who hold their offices their for at least the last 5 years.
The black population is changing from time to time but Elena seems to have a perminent VISA for Thailand. Lol.

[QUOTE=BkkCracy; 1498160]Guys,

My flight is two days from now and every time I check the Bangkok post website it scares the hell out of me.

First there were the yellow shirts in protest, now the red seems to be getting into the action and not to forget the courts (they seem to be adding fuel to fire)

I feel time is ripe for all tourists to hold a protest rally of their own "please let us monger in peace" we'll take the girls along too.

On a serious note, all you guys already in BKK. Please advice what the situation is like and seems to be developing for the next weeks.

Do not want to be confined to my Soi 11 hotel.

Bye![/QUOTE]Since two days I am back to Bangkok and whatever there is a Monk died of political protest nothing visual is changed.

Tuesday evening around 2 AM Bangkok Beat had too close 2 hours before their normal closing time because of "police" and Wednesday at around 1:15 the same for Levels which means business as usual.

Enjoy your stay!

[QUOTE=Psychman; 1498795]Fellow mongers,

I have been RTFB, and have seen nothing of late on the Beer Garden in Bangkok. Any reports on that or the general freelancer scene in the area of late?

Thanks[/QUOTE]I was just in the BG the last few days. Lots of ladies. Lots of so-so ladies. A couple of real attractive ones. One quoted me 1000 THB. I took one for 1500 THB for 3-4 hours. A real winner. 8.5. 9.0 in looks and body. At least that good in bed. It's always worth a prowl and see what is there.

SW

[QUOTE=AssLover945; 1498233]I am asking forum member to help me with a good thai massage place.

Want to take my girlfriend, so I am looking for a pure thai massage, without happy ending

We have gone to healthland quite a few times and found them very prudish in their customer interaction, so we have decided to change.

But I really have no idea LOL.

So please help.[/QUOTE]Foot Joy. Two locations. Soi 11 and Soi 8. Older, experienced ladies. Check out Pa at the Soi 8 location. Attractive, younger lady. Delightful, two hour Thai massage. 500 THB +tip.

SW4

[QUOTE=HornyDude353; 1498745]Thanks for the info. Another question I just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? I have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. I just want to know if anyone has been to any, I have seen a few like star of light, Kangaroos & Dr BJ's but always been hesitant to go in.

Also with freelance girls is there a higher chance of getting conned?[/QUOTE]First let me add to my previous response. The black ladies can also be found starting between Soi 3/1 and Soi 5. Start at Soi 3/1 and walk to Soi 7/1 and get an idea of the quality. There may be more down to Soi 15. They don't come out until after midnight when the street bars are set up. At least that is when I have seen them. I saw some of them several nights ago.

I can't answer about the BJ joints as I have never been to them. I have seen some good lookers in both the joints in Soi 7/1, but looks does not equal good service. Hopefully someone with experience at some of them can recommend a good performer for you.

business is supposed to right down, due to political troubles, and the isg bangkok forum seems very quiet.

however i walked into doll's house at 7pm opening time and within a few minutes 3 other guys had separately entered also. i thought was suprising that so many arrived by 7:15pm. i was concerned that all, like me, were arriving early to get the special girl before anyone else could. suprisingly noi was available and i barfined her fairly promptly, got a st session in at asoke place st hotel, and then returned to my room to do some more work.

my thought process was that if i did the work first and went to the bar late at 11pm, noi would no longer be available.

she is slim, very sexy ass and good on the bed due to exceptional pussy muscles. also very popular. does lt too but i didn't want it due to work needing to be done. certainly there are very good bar girls around, if pick the right girls. she is apparently over 30 but guys sometimes ask to check her id. as scared she may be ****. lol body shows no signs of wear and tear at all. nice padded pussy. tits small but do not sag.

[quote=hornydude353;1498745]thanks for the info. another question i just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? i have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. i just want to know if anyone has been to any, i have seen a few like star of light, kangaroos & dr bj's but always been hesitant to go in.[/quote]i think it's worth going. i used to be a fan of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but that was before they raised their price and limited all visits to 30 mins max. i haven't been to dr. bj's salon yet, largely because of the 30 minute time limit there.

it helps to get a recommendation for all these places. your experience will vary tremendously based on the girl. i've had some great experiences at som's haven and a few mediocre ones. i've found that the owner, som, is very helpful in recommending ladies. she has never steered me wrong when helping me pick.

a few years ago i used to visit star of light, but i'm no longer a regular. when i visited in recent months the girls just seem incredibly mercenary, even more than you'd expect from a sw. mercenary to the point of being cold and unfriendly. still, i know there is real talent there.

[QUOTE=HornyDude353;1498745]Thanks for the info. Another question I just would like to know is, is it worth going to the blowjob bars? I have heard mixed reviews as some people say service can be good but the ladies in general are not that good looking. I just want to know if anyone has been to any, I have seen a few like star of light, Kangaroos & Dr BJ's but always been hesitant to go in. Also with freelance girls is there a higher chance of getting conned?[/QUOTE]And you are expecting Miss Universe to give you a BJ for 700B? Just close your eyes when you go.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1498949]And you are expecting Miss Universe to give you a BJ for 700B? Just close your eyes when you go.[/QUOTE]Over "good looking." Putting it crudely, when she is on her knees with your pr*ck deep in her mouth you won't see much but her the top of her head bobbing up and down. I am trying to imagine a BJ where looks matter but cannot.

Whilst "good looks' are a help if you are walking the lady back to your hotel, they really don't figure if you are getting a BJ.

Rambling round I constantly see tourists "wai'ing" every local they meet. Particularly the Americans who seem to think it is culturally necessary to establish their credentials.

I never 'wai. ' I return a respectable "Good 'Day'". 'Day' being morning, afternoon or evening as appropriate.

Watching tourists thy never get the 'way' quite right and it looks crude.

Comments please. Am I right not to 'wai? '. As a retired gentleman.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1498949]And you are expecting Miss Universe to give you a BJ for 700B? Just close your eyes when you go.[/QUOTE]Even with stunners giving a BBBJ I look at their lips 90 percent of the time.

Even when banging a stunner I'll often close my eyes & imagine all kinds of other girls in porn or those I've done. I'm sure the Thai ladies do the same when with unattractive farang customers. When you fuck them are their eyes open & looking at you, or are they somewhere else?

[quote=bartchamdo;1498936]i think it's worth going. i used to be a fan of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but that was before they raised their price and limited all visits to 30 mins max. i haven't been to dr. bj's salon yet, largely because of the 30 minute time limit there.[/quote]as in any business, time is money. you can't expect a girl grants an hour of her time for 700b, to be shared with the establishment.

look at oilies or soapies or mp's, call them as you like, either you pay an extra to the girl (500/1000/1500) and the location fee, as in oilies, or the "all included" of soapies, end you will end up to pay more or less the same amoun of money, for a more or less similar amount of time.

take the barber shops in china, where you get a bj or a fs for a few bucks: it is a 10/15' max 30' job.

wam bam thank you m'am business model.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1498961]Rambling round I constantly see tourists "wai'ing" every local they meet. Particularly the Americans who seem to think it is culturally necessary to establish their credentials.

I never 'wai. ' I return a respectable "Good 'Day'". 'Day' being morning, afternoon or evening as appropriate.

Watching tourists thy never get the 'way' quite right and it looks crude.

Comments please. Am I right not to 'wai? '. As a retired gentleman.[/QUOTE]This topic has been done to death several times before. It is not suited to the Bangkok Thread. The General Thread is okay if it really needs rehashing. You can lookup guidelines of Wai in Thai culture on Wikepedia.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1498975]As in any business, Time is money. You can't expect a girl grants an hour of her time for 700b, to be shared with the establishment.

Look at oilies or soapies or MP's, call them as you like, either you pay an extra to the girl (500/1000/1500) and the location fee, as in oilies, or the "all included" of soapies, end you will end up to pay more or less the same amoun of money, for a more or less similar amount of time.[/QUOTE]Why would I go to a BJ shop? Only if really pushed for time (or have very little money). Like I have a 30 min window. If you have plenty of time, you may as well take a great MP girl.

[quote=bartchamdo; 1498936]i think it's worth going. i used to be a fan of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, but that was before they raised their price and limited all visits to 30 mins max. i haven't been to dr. bj's salon yet, largely because of the 30 minute time limit there.

it helps to get a recommendation for all these places. your experience will vary tremendously based on the girl. i've had some great experiences at som's haven and a few mediocre ones. i've found that the owner, som, is very helpful in recommending ladies. she has never steered me wrong when helping me pick.

a few years ago i used to visit star of light, but i'm no longer a regular. when i visited in recent months the girls just seem incredibly mercenary, even more than you'd expect from a sw. mercenary to the point of being cold and unfriendly. still, i know there is real talent there.[/quote]lollipop1 is the best of these places. one issue with recommending girls is that they move around so much. six months ago there was a very cute go go type girl a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] who was very skilled but she has moved on.

also it is very easy to position yourself on the couch to where the girls are looking up at you and making eye contact.

[QUOTE=Run Mann;1498989]Also it is very easy to position yourself on the couch to where the girls are looking up at you and making eye contact.[/QUOTE]Of course looks always matter. Others are welcome to be blown by a hag if they wish.

[QUOTE=Hobbyist2; 1498110]You can buy ED drugs at a lot of Pharmacies. One I used is on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. If you are on Soi 4 and walking towards Sukhumvit turn right and it will be within a few steps on the right. You have to be looking for it as it may not be so obvious.

I do not believe there are any problems with bringing ED drugs to Thailand. Taking them home without a prescription could get you in deep sh*t.

Good luck[/QUOTE]How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1499166]How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?[/QUOTE]Tell where the drugs come from unless you track them from the factory. However with the prices of genuine ED drugs dropping to sensible levels, the incentives for knock-off copies has dropped.

If you can buy before you travel often much bette.

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1499166]How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?[/QUOTE]From Suk Soi 4 petrol station, head towards Soi 2. The 2nd pharmacy is a very reliable provider of good generic copies of many pills of various types with best prices, not just ED (I had to look up what ED was). They do massive sales business and rely on their reputation for quality. They will not sell anything below standard. Open long hours too. You can also pay a lot extra for "original" Viagra, Cialis or whatever, if want to waste your money. It will probably be priced 5 times higher than the generics. My boss asked me to get some genuine Cialis for him. Very important LOL. I have no idea how to prove it is genuine. You can test the hologram quality? I would suggest just buy the cheaper "genuine" generic copy.

I would not be game to buy the street sold versions.

What ever happened to this guy who was supposed to go to Thailand last month? A lot of questions and no field reports.

[QUOTE=Csun213;1418049]Thanks for the response. I am not worried about getting fake 100B but about the fake 1000B at the money changers. I will be bring cash and will be changing about US$2000 in Bangkok. I never saw anything on the forum about fake money which is why I never gave it a second thought until one friend told me that he had gotten fake 1000B at a money changer. This was the reason why I ask if anyone here have ever received fake money at a money changer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1499203]From Suk Soi 4 petrol station, head towards Soi 2. The 2nd pharmacy is a very reliable provider of good generic copies of many pills of various types with best prices[/QUOTE]Is it the pharmacy next to Bully's Pub?

[QUOTE=WarmStone25;1499166]How can you tell if the drugs sourced from these places are the genuine article?[/QUOTE]I bought some Levitra from a pharmacy in Pattaya and they were fake. I could tell by the color. Levitra shows the pill on their web site and it states that if the color doesn't match, it's fake. The fake pills worked, but not near as good as the real ones. They were half the price of the real thing. I decided to stick with the real stuff that I mostly bring from home. I don't know how to tell if V or C are fake. Although, I have heard you can get some good fake V in Thailand.

The pharmacy on Sukhumvit, going right around the corner from Soi 4, had the real stuff and the real price tag.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1499291]Is it the pharmacy next to Bully's Pub?[/QUOTE]If you were here in Thailand, you would not need to ask the question. You can use Google street view to have a virtual reality of it and answer your own question.

If I go there, I am not noticing Bully's pub, so I guess it is just before. Next door? Maybe, but who cares?

Are you coming to Bangkok eventually? ;) Or were you here when I was not? I just returned after 2 months away.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1498975]As in any business, Time is money. You can't expect a girl grants an hour of her time for 700b, to be shared with the establishment.

Take the barber shops in China, where you get a BJ or a FS for a few bucks: it is a 10/15' max 30' job.

Wam bam thank you m'am business model.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what we don't want in Thailand and instinctively recoil from.

I've done plenty of Chinese hookers and it's remarkable how unpleasant they turn as soon as money exchanges hands. They want you out of there quick and make no secret about it. In Thailand, it's obviously about money, but we used to have an illusion of not being rushed. Sure, most people will take under 20 min to pop, but the thought of not being rushed through and forced out is something that distinguishes Thailand from most working girl scenes the world over.

If the girl is so blatantly on the clock, why go any further than Frankfurt-am-Main? Sure saves the airfare for most folks.

It's fair not to reward of a business for too aggressive time-limit practices.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1499372]If you were here in Thailand, you would not need to ask the question. You can use Google street view to have a virtual reality of it and answer your own question.

If I go there, I am not noticing Bully's pub, so I guess it is just before. Next door? Maybe, but who cares?

Are you coming to Bangkok eventually? . Or were you here when I was not? I just returned after 2 months away.[/QUOTE]I did use use Google street view to follow your directions. It appeared the pharmacy you recommend was next to Bully's. If it is, it's a good landmark to use to locate the pharmacy. As the Google street view images are not current and commercial buildings turnover I was just asking for confirmation. I'll be staying on Sukhumvit on my December trip and am using street view to re-familiarize myself with the neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1499420]Sure, most people will take under 20 min to pop, but the thought of not being rushed through and forced out is something that distinguishes Thailand from most working girl scenes the world over.

If the girl is so blatantly on the clock, why go any further than Frankfurt-am-Main? Sure saves the airfare for most folks.

It's fair not to reward of a business for too aggressive time-limit practices.[/QUOTE]I take a full 2 hour short time. Girls don't mind so much because the tip is good, and at Suzi Wong take two girls to share the workload. There is never any rush with these girls.

Cannot say the same for Rainbow 4 girls where are often looking to return within the half hour I reckon.

In Frankfurt I am not sure if you refer to Red Light district quickies or to FKK where you can go as long as you like but will pay for each half hour.

Sometimes a BKK bargirl will day she has a customer booking at 10PM but can fit you in at 7PM. At least can still get a 2 hour ST in.

In one case I took a popular bargirl at 6. 30PM. Was either take her early or miss out. However still got well over an hour.

Its amazing how many guys think they can pay the girl to not take any other customers on same day or same week, but she will find ways to sneak in some other customers, even if paid not to. Girls that are very busy making a lot of money, don't want a BF and the jealousy hassles that come with it. Some of them would rather work as a hooker and make good money themselves.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1499420]That's exactly what we don't want in Thailand and instinctively recoil from.

I've done plenty of Chinese hookers and it's remarkable how unpleasant they turn as soon as money exchanges hands. They want you out of there quick and make no secret about it. In Thailand, it's obviously about money, but we used to have an illusion of not being rushed. Sure, most people will take under 20 min to pop, but the thought of not being rushed through and forced out is something that distinguishes Thailand from most working girl scenes the world over.

If the girl is so blatantly on the clock, why go any further than Frankfurt-am-Main? Sure saves the airfare for most folks.

It's fair not to reward of a business for too aggressive time-limit practices.[/QUOTE]I am not supporting the clock watchers, but I was elaborating on the cost / time.

I too don't like the rush, doesn't matter if I pop 1 or 3 times in 60 or 90 minutes.

But on the other hand I cannot expect that at 700 baht for a BJ in a venue, much time being given to me. Even if, as a joke, I can say 10' is enough, including shower.

My example, wanted to show that the hourly rate in MP and alike is more or less 1500/1800 baht, if not more.

So 700 for half an hour is a "cheap" price, taking into account that covers both the venue and the girl fees.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1498961]Rambling round I constantly see tourists "wai'ing" every local they meet. Particularly the Americans who seem to think it is culturally necessary to establish their credentials.

I never 'wai. ' I return a respectable "Good 'Day'". 'Day' being morning, afternoon or evening as appropriate.

Watching tourists thy never get the 'way' quite right and it looks crude.

Comments please. Am I right not to 'wai? '. As a retired gentleman.[/QUOTE]Old and respected Thai hands told me not to wai. The subtleties of the wai escape use anyway and we could easily demean ourselves.

Return the wai with a smile. Leave it to the tourists.

First off, thanks to all the posters for info that made me confident enough to travel 30 hours for some fun all alone. I am a first timer to the scene in Thailand, and started out in Bangkok and will Pattaya. Stayed in hotel near Nana Plaza. Got to hotel at midnight Bangkok time. I don't know what time my body was on, except to say tired. Got settled and got a burst of adrenaline. So I had a Thai massage to loosen me up from trip. Nothing to look at but god she had strong hands and knew how to use them. Day one woke up at 8 had some breakfast and walked around to check out the area. Wow, those internet videos and photos did not prepare for how small this Nana district is. Must be me, anyway I had to have a Bangkok soapy first and a friendly hotel staff referred me to Angara Massage located on Petburi Road Bangkok. At 4PM gave taxi driver the address and because of political protest mobs blocking street travel, we arrived in about an hour. Couldn't tell you how far away from hotel this place was, but I arrived. Didn't look like much from a back alley entrance and once inside greeted by a gentleman that guided me to fishbowl of about 15 ladies. He wrote 3000 on a card and pointed at 3 of the young ladies. I asked are they the best, he nodded yes. It took me about 2 seconds to pick #28. They were all doable except maybe three or four which impressed me. Joy, #28 comes out behind the glass wall and takes my hand. Don't know the correct protocol but took me to front counter and the gentleman boss guy asked for payment. Handed him 3000 Baht and then he looked at me with his hand out and said 500 Baht for me. WTF, they got me. I must have had a newbie sign on my back. Gave him 500 Baht and Joy took me up 2 flights of stairs. Now, to say this place looks tired and needs some cosmetic work is an understatement. If the wear in the carpet could talk, somebody here is rich. Went to room with a big tub, blow-up mattress on floor, and a bed. Joy says for me to get undressed and begins to fill up tub. She undresses and is beautiful with perfect natural tits. Start of in tub and then blow-up mattress, and then a fantastic massage and fuck on bed. Typical soapy from what I have reviewed and lasted about hour and half with one pop. She cleaned me up, I was walking on air, grabbed taxi back to hotel that was almost an hour again but I have no sense of distance. Got in my room at about 8 and fell asleep. Woke up at 1AM took a shower and got to Nana Plaza at 2AM. Took me about 10 mins to get approached by young ladies and I am an old fat guy. Don't know if this is the norm but at 2:30 AM there was gorgeous pussy everywhere. Any look or age group you wanted was there plentiful. Settled on a Chinese / Thai mix gal that was 31years old. She wanted 2000 Baht for long stay and two pops. I played hard to get and got her down to 1200 Baht for ST 2 pops with massage. She agreed and we went to my hotel and had pretty mechanical half and half. After first pop she washed me up and proceeded to a very good massage. Wow, do they teach massage in high school here? Proceeded to second pop and after a energetic half an hour I apologized and told her it wasn't going to happen. It wasn't her fault. Jetlag or whatever I just didn't have any more juice. Sent her on her way and got some sleep. More experiences to come when I get a chance.

[QUOTE=Terwagne; 1499559]Old and respected Thai hands told me not to wai. The subtleties of the wai escape use anyway and we could easily demean ourselves.

Return the wai with a smile. Leave it to the tourists.[/QUOTE]That has always been my approach. And is a useful warning to Americans who think that they are being culturally aware by trying to way.

[quote=scorchin;1499630]that has always been my approach. and is a useful warning to americans who think that they are being culturally aware by trying to way.[/quote]while i think it is not wise to practice a custom one does not know, i found this alternative point of view on the internet.

[i]the thailand wai is very important to thai people but they forgive and ignore stupid foreigners about it like they do with the other stupid mistakes thoughtless visitors make because they are too lazy to learn.

highest wai. thumbs on top of the nose and a slight bow. basically what the thai news readers on the news shows do at the end of the show. this demonstrates max respect and should be given only to an older person who is highly placed or revered. not often used by foreigners because it risks over doing it, but definitely use this when acknowledging a buddha.

mid high. thumbs on top of chin. this would be good to use with your doctor or other person important to you, but almost never to a person younger than yourself regardless.

standard. tops of fingers almost touching chin. this is to say hello / goodbye to persons of respect, like police, judges, teachers, grandparents and the like but rarely to a person younger than yourself.

lower standard. thumbs touching center of your chest. good to use to answer anyone wai ing you in the higher categories if they are younger or in a serving capacity to you. note, this is the wai all people use when in a buddhist ceremony where the whole audience is listening to a monk prayer or speech. the all purpose return wai for serving people wai-ing to you.

the general rule is the wai is higher for people older than you or if a boss or superior, for example. it is used for both hello and goodbye. if one hand is full, join it in the best wai you can and if both hands full, wai anyway as best you can; never give a thai a single hand wai, although it is very common in tibetan buddhism.

note that a little bow, like a dip of the head is another sign of respect and often is given by people on motorbikes and while driving car or if acknowledging someone across the street or at a distance.

the wai is not a strictly religious gesture like western praying hands are.

it is better to practice these positions because sloppy wai is seen as half hearted and not sincere. just going thru the motions or even being cynical or insulting on purpose. an open handed wave near the face is ok done by foreigners, but do not crook the fingers in motion or in a still gesture.

some thai enjoy a hand shake because it makes them feel cosmopolitan but many see it as an intrusion but will smile and do it to humor the cute / pet acting that foreigners do. better to wai or wave unless the thai extends hand to shake first.

this is no small matter to thai, but like the other things uninformed foreigners do, thai will smile and think "aren't these foreigners quaint or childlike or just rude."[/i]

so there are four ways to wai. most people would rarely encounter a situation where the first kind would be used. so that leaves three not very difficult actions to master and learning the context in which to use each. not very difficult. easy to see why thais perceive visitors to their country who don't bother to learn how to wai as stupid and lazy.

I am an American. I never wai. It is totally unecesary for a Westerner to wai. But if a falang does the wai I doubt it would be offensive to a Thai. Most Thais realize the falang doing the wai is trying to be respectful whether they do it correctly or not.

Americans aren't the only falangs I've seen doing the wai.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1499649]So there are four ways to wai. Most people would rarely encounter a situation where the first kind would be used. So that leaves three not very difficult actions to master and learning the context in which to use each. Not very difficult. Easy to see why Thais perceive visitors to their country who don't bother to learn how to wai as stupid and lazy.[/QUOTE]That was actually a very good summary indeed that you quoted, leaving out just one point, which is can Wai with just one hand, if the other hand is busy carrying something. Your last point is a bit too strong re "stupid and lazy". Its well known that Farangs don't understand the Wai well.

[quote=syzygies; 1498879]business is supposed to right down, due to political troubles, and the isg bangkok forum seems very quiet.

however i walked into doll's house at 7pm opening time and within a few minutes 3 other guys had separately entered also. i thought was suprising that so many arrived by 7:15pm. i was concerned that all, like me, were arriving early to get the special girl before anyone else could. suprisingly noi was available and i barfined her fairly promptly, got a st session in at asoke place st hotel, and then returned to my room to do some more work.

my thought process was that if i did the work first and went to the bar late at 11pm, noi would no longer be available.

she is slim, very sexy ass and good on the bed due to exceptional pussy muscles. also very popular. does lt too but i didn't want it due to work needing to be done. certainly there are very good bar girls around, if pick the right girls. she is apparently over 30 but guys sometimes ask to check her i'd. as scared she may be ****. lol body shows no signs of wear and tear at all. nice padded pussy. tits small but do not sag.[/quote]not enough sex going on right now. lol.

i took noi from doll's house a 2nd time this week. she is highly recommended for guys who have a soft and slow approach. she is not keen on being hammered but can be quite orgasmic with the soft slow approach. slim girl only a cups but a stunning ass and pussy. pussy muscles that squeeze and massage your dick. during the 69, i was so much in heaven i was unsure i should stop that and move on to another position. her bbbj was super excellent for me. did not ask if she takes cim. however cannot leave out doggy with that stunning ass. she is very busy, despite working the bar less than a year, and has a lot of pre-booked customers. wise to show up quite early, before the best girls get taken. naturally i collected her phone number so i check when she is available.

I've lived here 9 1/2 months and don't pretend to study the culture but I have always been heavily advised not to wai. It is a very silly thing to do, especially for an older person but I've seen far worse behaviors displayed. The only time I do this is when I am introduced to an older person. For instance, I go to a girls apartment building and we bump into her neighbor. If the person is younger they will probably wai to me.

I will tell you the number one thing to do in Thailand that I never see mentioned anywhere. It will be the difference between people respecting you and not respecting you. From getting good service as opposed to bad service and deter people from ripping you off. Say khrap after everything. For taxis, hotel khrap. Airport khrap. For food, hamburger khrap, coke khrap. A subway order should go down like this. Bacon and Egg khrap. Rye bread khrap. Mayonaise khrap. Chili Sauce khrap.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1499657]Your last point is a bit too strong re "stupid and lazy". Its well known that Farangs don't understand the Wai well.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,

You are right to call me out on that. It's wrong to suggest farang tourists who have amassed the means to fly halfway around the world, stay in a five star hotel, eat at over priced restaurants and over tip SWs are stupid and lazy. (I've tried unsuccessfully to insert a smile and wink here but for some reason the semicolon followed by closed parenthesis is not producing the desired result even though smilies is on in this post).

I think being polite, friendly and cheerful is universally understood and sufficient. I also think taking the time to learn how to properly wai and say a few basic polite phrases in Thai is a good idea.

I went to Thermae a few days ago just to have a quick look and check out my luck. Started chatting with one girl, who was resisting first, as I am not a Japanese, or a 'Falang' as they say. But I pulled a few jokes, she started laughing and was cool. I asked her, 'why girls at Thermae only go Japanese' and she said 'because Thai girl think Falang vely big and take long time' to which I told her 'but Japanese also big and long time or not? ' She insisted, 'no, no, Japanese small 'showing me her small finger 'and finish fast; quick money for Thai girl. ' I told her it was not like that until a few years ago, she said, she only had been going to Thermae for two years.

Then she started telling me this story: 'One time, Falang like my friend a lot, he told her she go with him but no sex, only looking. ' Apparently, he paid the girl 3, 000 Baht to get naked and he would wank it off. We both started laughing a lot and joking about that. 'Ok, you naked for me and I wank wank for you'

Then she started pointing me to girls, which ones might go with non Japanese and which ones wouldn't. It was funny, I was getting first hand inside info on Thermae, and the girls seem to all know each other. One white old man would walk to some girl and right away the girl I was talking to said 'she no go Falang, no way, ' and the guy was desperately trying to talk to the girl, but she told him off and kept looking away, getting little annoyed. I joked and told her may be the girls should wear a sign that read Farang ok, or Japanese only.

In the end, the girl came with me and said 'some time big size ok for me. ' Had a pretty good time with her, getting drunk together, etc, we really talked and joked a lot :); . I had told her I would pay long time, but after a few hours and sessions, she asked 'ok I leave now, or me stay till morning', and I happily told her 'ok to leave now', I was ready to sleep for the night, alone in my own bed.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1499666]Syzygies,

You are right to call me out on that. It's wrong to suggest farang tourists who have amassed the means to fly halfway around the world, stay in a five star hotel, eat at over priced restaurants and over tip SWs are stupid and lazy. (I've tried unsuccessfully to insert a smile and wink here but for some reason the semicolon followed by closed parenthesis is not producing the desired result even though smilies is on in this post).[/QUOTE]I don't waste money on 5 star Hotels unless its a cheap special price, nor eat in massively priced restaurants, and my trips to a good restaurant are limited. I have more sympathy for needy girls trying to support their children, parents etc, and would rather over tip just a little instead, if the girl really deserves it. I believe in reward for giving a great time, and effort put in. I can't pay a great performing girl exactly the same as a crap girl. It would not be justice. I have to consider do I want her to treat me as a priority customer or not. I am a believer that very popular girls will give their customers a preference or pecking order based on how good a customer they are for providing good money regularly, and then on how much they enjoy the time with the customer as 2nd criteria. Treating girls poorly or being stingy does not get a customer to a priority status.

Working girls are often preferring old nice and generous guys over young handsome men that are up themselves.

I am still not a price negotiator, rarely discussing prices with girls at all. Occasionally, I get a girl that says "I need 2000 for a ST". Rather than negotiate, I normally just take it, or leave it, depending on how the chemistry is going. Its a bit too steep for a very short session but to me O.K. for a 2 hour session. In Germany I would get just 30 mins for around that price so 4 times the amount of time is getting close to equivalent. In Germany, would be normal to take extra time rather than just tip a girl extra. However in Thailand there is no time based model, unless you are at an MP and need more than the standard time of 1.5 or 2 Hours. Can happen I have wanted to extend in an MP when girl was unreleasable.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1499724]I don't waste money on 5 star Hotels unless its a cheap special price, nor eat in massively priced restaurants, and my trips to a good restaurant are limited. I have more sympathy for needy girls trying to support their children, parents etc, and would rather over tip just a little instead, if the girl really deserves it. I believe in reward for giving a great time, and effort put in.

Working girls are often preferring old nice and generous guys over young handsome men that are up themselves.[/QUOTE]Syzgies,

I've missed your posts while you were out of town. They are filled with useful information and good advice. My facetious remark about expensive hotels, restaurants and generous tipping was written to convey that I understand if you have money to travel to Bangkok you probably work at least reasonably hard and are probably reasonably intelligent; or you inherited it or won the lottery. And I was poking fun at the tipping arguments on the forum.

I agree with you about giving deserving girls a good tip. Last week's Stickman article was an interview with four ladies working for Pure Bangkok Escorts, a new advertiser on his column. The ladies make remarks I've heard from dozens of escorts. These ladies are trying to do their job well, genuinely want to please their clients, care nothing about the appearance or age of their clients, prefer older men because they are nicer and don't try to turning fucking into a contest to see if they can get five shots in one night; they are only in it for the money; and their is nothing wrong with that. They all make it clear that no woman would want to be an escort, and escorts are at the top of the SW pecking order, if there was another way to make as much money. One young lady's family lost their house in a flood and is trying to make enough money to rebuild it. Others have bought houses, farm land, cars for their mums and are saving money to start businesses. I always remember these are attractive young ladies who are giving me their bodies for my pleasure. As long as they have a good attitude and are trying to please me I tip them generously. Also, when it comes to feeding myself I almost always eat at the street stalls. The food is good and cheap, and I try to be sensibly frugal so I can afford to splurge on certain things. However, when I'm with a working girl LT I will take her to a nice restaurant, take her dancing at a nice club, try to make that part of the evening fun for the lady. What goes around comes around, which gets confirmed back in my hotel room.

Did some site seeing and shopping. Met up with a fellow board member and we had a few beers and compared notes on our first time to the Thailand scene. As we sat talking and having a beer 2 bar girls came over rubbing our legs asking for drinks and food. I mostly refused because I had the less attractive one, but my lucky partner in crime bar fined his and took off. I sat there to finish my beer and then left and walked around for while and stopped at few beer bars enjoying the scenery. Found this little spinner starring at me so I got up and introduced myself. Well, she spoke very little English but I thought I could teach her a few words like, suck, swallow, cowgirl, and again. Finally figured her name was Eye and she agreed to 1500 Baht for single pop and from all indications from the night before that is all this old guy gots anyway. This 23 year old girl was very tiny and petit and that is what I wanted tonight. So far you can have anything you want. So did this 90 pound Barbie doll and threw around in several positions and finished after of about a hour of pounding. I was proud of myself on how good did. Not pornstar stuff, but I will remember this episode.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1499203]From Suk Soi 4 petrol station, head towards Soi 2. The 2nd pharmacy is a very reliable provider of good generic copies of many pills of various types with best prices, not just ED (I had to look up what ED was). They do massive sales business and rely on their reputation for quality. They will not sell anything below standard. Open long hours too. You can also pay a lot extra for "original" Viagra, Cialis or whatever, if want to waste your money. It will probably be priced 5 times higher than the generics. My boss asked me to get some genuine Cialis for him. Very important LOL. I have no idea how to prove it is genuine. You can test the hologram quality? I would suggest just buy the cheaper "genuine" generic copy.

I would not be game to buy the street sold versions.[/QUOTE]It is a very reliable shop indeed. Usually there is a large thai Chinese lady pharmacist behind the counter or an older gent (probably the husband). I have frequently bought genuine Cialis from here. The price was around 2000-2500 Baht for a box of 4 (over 3 years back). I would like to try the generics but have no idea which ones to go for and which ones are sold in Thailand. Any recommendations are welcome.

[QUOTE=KiJang;1499899]It is a very reliable shop indeed. Usually there is a large thai Chinese lady pharmacist behind the counter or an older gent (probably the husband). I have frequently bought genuine Cialis from here. The price was around 2000-2500 Baht for a box of 4 (over 3 years back). I would like to try the generics but have no idea which ones to go for and which ones are sold in Thailand. Any recommendations are welcome.[/QUOTE]I don't know every generic. Simple Kamagra green tabs are the generic Viagra 300 Baht per 4 tabs. Apcalis is the generic Cialis probably 400 Baht per 4 tabs. I did not check recently. So generics are massively cheaper.

I guess will have generic Levitra too and Kamagra gel packs, etc.

Don't know much about Levitra.

[QUOTE=Terwagne; 1499559]Old and respected Thai hands told me not to wai. The subtleties of the wai escape use anyway and we could easily demean ourselves.

Return the wai with a smile. Leave it to the tourists.[/QUOTE]Well I have lived here for 8 years. I find this advice a bit silly and paternalistic. If I am waied, and I usually am, I will always return it. As I am older, people wai me first; I regard it as impolite not to return this. You don't need to make a big deal about it regarding the hand positions unless you are in the presence of high ranking people.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1499925]I don't know every generic. Simple Kamagra green tabs are the generic Viagra 300 Baht per 4 tabs. Apcalis is the generic Cialis probably 400 Baht per 4 tabs. I did not check recently. So generics are massively cheaper.

I guess will have generic Levitra too and Kamagra gel packs, etc.

Don't know much about Levitra.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Will try out Apcalis and Kamagra gel.

[QUOTE=KiJang;1500005]Thanks. Will try out Apcalis and Kamagra gel.[/QUOTE]Be careful. Don't take a whole Kamagra 100 mg dose. Its too powerful. Unless you already have used Viagra and know how much is right. Many find a quarter or 25mg dose is adequate.

[QUOTE=Feelz Good;1499859]I was proud of myself on how good I did. Not pornstar stuff, but I will remember this episode.[/QUOTE]Great trip report. Continue the good work. Looking forward to reading more about your experiences.

[QUOTE=KiJang;1500005]Thanks. Will try out Apcalis and Kamagra gel.[/QUOTE]The safest way to buy these drugs is from a registered and reputable pharmacy. Where I come from I have used an online service, a well known chain of high street pharmacy's, where you get a prescription from a doctor online, to buy generic Sildenafil. This has the same active ingredient as Viagra.

I have not had any trouble carrying these in my wallet, on my trips in Europe.

I am planning a trip to Bangkok, and it occurred to me as to whether or not there may be regulations against carrying such drugs, in a small quantity, into the country.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1499660]I took Noi from Doll's House a 2nd time this week. She is highly recommended for guys who have a soft and slow approach. She is not keen on being hammered but can be quite orgasmic with the soft slow approach. Slim girl only A cups but a stunning ass and pussy. Pussy muscles that squeeze and massage your dick. During the 69, I was so much in heaven I was unsure I should stop that and move on to another position. Her BBBJ was super excellent for me. Did not ask if she takes CIM. However cannot leave out doggy with that stunning ass. She is very busy, despite working the bar less than a year, and has a lot of pre-booked customers. Wise to show up quite early, before the best girls get taken. Naturally I collected her phone number so I check when she is available.[/QUOTE]Nice meetig.

How old?

How to find her? Number?

Did some tourist stuff and had a good dinner and took a nap. Woke up at 9PM showered and got out to Nana for few drinks. Remarkably less crazy on Sunday night compared to last night. But, the bitchs were out. Also noticed, but it could be me as I am getting more in tune, that there was a lot more lady boys out than what I saw the previous few days. Maybe Sunday night is their day, or maybe just a coincidence. After a few drinks at Golden's, I like Golden's because you get to check out the freelancers at Nana parking lot, right in front of you. I think it is humorous to watch and see mongers do their moves and see the hoe reactions. But it was time for my move, I spotted this cutie and I think she spotted me checking her out, so I went over to make sure she was looking at me and not the guy next to me at Golden's. Sure enough, it could of been me or the other guy, whatever we will never know, she didn't care she is there for the money. Her name was Anna. 25 year old, and she had more meat on the bone than previous conquests and was what I was looking for. Negotiated ST for 1000 Baht for 1 pop and massage. Had a very loud session, she is a screamer, which was kind of neat. She loves to fuck and boy she was probably my best lay so far in Thailand. She wasn't the prettiest, she didn't have the best body and wasn't the best built, and she wasn't the most expensive, but I would love to do her again. Monger Wisdom 101, don't guess the content of a book by its cover. I have had many a dead fish in my bed that could have won a beauty pageant. I am leaving Bangkok and off to Pattaya in the morning. Don't know when I will get my next chance for an update and need to get settled and check things out.

[QUOTE=Valdo13; 1500122]Nice meetig.

How old?

How to find her? Number?[/QUOTE]I don't use numbers so have no clue. Turn up to Doll House very early. I have described her well enough already. Not so young but looks young.

Suzie Wong opposite has many young girls. Also can look at Shark and Baccarat side pending on your style.

[QUOTE=LaoMan;1499934]Well I have lived here for 8 years. I find this advice a bit silly and paternalistic. If I am waied, and I usually am, I will always return it. As I am older, people wai me first; I regard it as impolite not to return this. You don't need to make a big deal about it regarding the hand positions unless you are in the presence of high ranking people.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. Its no great effort to Wai back to acknowledge rather than completely ignore. Makes us look more friendly if we Wai back in the similar way that the Thai people would do. We look like tourist when we Wai first, the wrong status people.

Those that have been here many years and cannot Wai at all, might look either ignorant or arrogant. Tourists don't need to worry.

My company cancels the BKK trip due to the political situation developing over in Thailand.

So many thought about fantasies down the drain.

This to be lucky dog. Is now a weeping puppy.

Next targeted trip to be now in Jan. Fingers crossed.

All you guys take care!

In Bangkok go-go's being quoted 600BF and 2000ST Are these acceptable prices? Is this want most of you go go hounds are paying? If not what are you actually paying the girls and how are you getting them to reduce prices? Also noticed that in the places I went to the mamasan or management was the one explaining prices to me.

Thanks

Last night I decided to visit a place I heard about but never went to before-Climax disco on Soi 11. I had no intentions of getting a girl; just wanted to sit quietly and observe to see if it was a place I wanted to pick up from in the future. Whenever I do this in a Pattaya disco I am completely ignored; and so I thought it would be the same here.

To make a long story short I paid my 250B got my "free" beer and found a lone table in the back and sat to observe. But I found that even though guys out numbered the girls I was drawing a lot of attention and smiles. I smiled back and quickly looked away to avoid any interactions. (It was 2AM and I had to get up early the next morning; I wasn't here to buy just to look) These are working girls and I didn't want to waste their time.

But I found my "non-interaction strategy" was not going to work. Because then the girls started to approach me to introduce themselves! Now this was completely unexpected; it never happened in Pattaya. The girls were not stunner but otherwise attractive. I wold smile and tell them I am waiting for a friend and they would get the hint and slink away. But then a new girl would soon take her place! And the replacements kept getting younger and more attractive until the final one was a real young beauty with a great personality! I finally decided I had to abort my mission and made my escape.

So my question: Is this normal for this disco? Is it really this easy to pick up young very attractive hookers? You just have to sit there and they come to you or was this unusual? Were these girls targeting me for a robbery or something? Or am I being paranoid? I old enough to be the young beauties father; why talk to me with all the other sausage in there?

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1500390].

So my question: Is this normal for this disco? Is it really this easy to pick up young very attractive hookers?[/QUOTE]It's normal. They are hookers as you yourself said. You pay and you cum.

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1500390].

So my question: You just have to sit there and they come to you or was this unusual? Were these girls targeting me for a robbery or something? Or am I being paranoid?[/QUOTE]You are being paranoid.

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1500390].

So my question: I old enough to be the young beauties father; why talk to me with all the other sausage in there?[/QUOTE]Old man, one pop, old man happy, easy money for the beauties.

[QUOTE=Monopoly;1500390]I old enough to be the young beauties father; why talk to me with all the other sausage in there?[/QUOTE]It is probably universally true that SWs prefer older men. It is not a myth. They are not saying this to ingratiate themselves to old farts like you and me. They find us to be more polite, easy going, not inclined to turn sex into a contest to see how many times we can cum; and we are less critical. If you are a gentleman of a certain age even a 30+ year old SW with a few minor flaws or blemishes seems young and beautiful. SWs really do worry about whether we think they are pretty. They feel more confident with older men. Read last week's Stickman Weekly interview with four escorts. They discuss this topic in that article. I have heard pretty much the same from scores of escorts on several continents over the past couple of decades.

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1500387]In Bangkok go-go's being quoted 600BF and 2000ST Are these acceptable prices? Is this want most of you go go hounds are paying? If not what are you actually paying the girls and how are you getting them to reduce prices? Also noticed that in the places I went to the mamasan or management was the one explaining prices to me.

Thanks[/QUOTE]These are prices that indeed are quoted in Bangkok agogo-clubs. When you ask the mamasan, for sure she will tell you that is the "normal" price, so I never ask her.

But "a price quoted" is not necessarily "a price paid". Only two years ago I found a girl from Suzie Wong willing to go LT for 1500 baht (+ 600 baht BF) only. But then again I have paid 3000 baht for LT in that same establishment as well. Everything will depend: do you still have time enough to go and hunt elsewhere? Then do so! Or is it already 3PM and clubs are closing? Then your options may be more limited. Is she a real stunner (and she knows it!) , then you will need superior negotiating talents to make her come down to a more reasonable price-level.

In the end, it is a "willing buyer - willing seller" market. You can tell the girls that you read on the internet the "right" price is only 1200 baht for ST. It will not make any impression on her. Just quote the price you think she is worth and see if she accepts. If not, there are many more fish in the sea.

I don't know if this has been covered before, but right now there is a police presence in Soi Cowboy. They are not interested in the girls in bars at all. They have stopped street vendors from selling in the Cowboy, and there are no people selling watches, clothes, dolls, food, etc. And especially no Cambodian street urchins begging for money.

Still seeing some Asian gentlemen talking away a ladyboy or two though. Not sure if the LBs came from Cockatoo (a cock-or-two) bar or somewhere else. Of course I could be mistaken. Asian guys are into girls with a lot of operations or adjustments, so its possible some could be girls that look like LBs.

I managed to get Noi at Doll House again after her regular customer could not show due to wife issues. She is an amazing girl from butt to pussy, to BJ, to the way she moves on the bed. No wonder she has accumulated so many regular customers in just 6 months. It is to great advantage to her to dance naked as her body is an eye magnet despite small tits. No one has an ass like hers. If she worked in an MP, customers might think she looked ordinary with clothes on. She will quit early next year having paid off all the debts. Many customers have requested her not to change phone numbers since she might want a bit of freelance on the side after she quits the bar.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1500535]In the end, it is a "willing buyer - willing seller" market. You can tell these girls that you read on the internet the "right" price is only 1200 baht for ST. It will not make any impression on her. Just quote the price you think she is worth and see if she accepts. If not, there are many more fish in the sea.[/QUOTE]Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.

My girl Noi was happy with 2K for ST, but turns out she is actually worth more than that in comparison to average girls. She is like top 1% in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1500537]I don't know if this has been covered before, but right now there is a police presence in Soi Cowboy. They are not interested in the girls in bars at all. They have stopped street vendors from selling in the Cowboy, and there are no people selling watches, clothes, dolls, food, etc. And especially no Cambodian street urchins begging for money.[/QUOTE]At last! For almost a year now there is a banner over Soi Cowboy, declaring the area a specially secure area, thanks to your friendly neighborhood police force. So it seems they finally got their act together.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1500540]Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.

My girl Noi was happy with 2K for ST, but turns out she is actually worth more than that in comparison to average girls. She is like top 1% in my opinion.[/QUOTE]Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1500540]Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.[/QUOTE]They all want more than they're worth!

Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1500387]In Bangkok go-go's being quoted 600BF and 2000ST Are these acceptable prices? Is this want most of you go go hounds are paying? If not what are you actually paying the girls and how are you getting them to reduce prices? Also noticed that in the places I went to the mamasan or management was the one explaining prices to me.

Thanks[/QUOTE]It would be hard to maneuver much on these prices during high season! Also, look at the numbers of Japs around. If you see a lot of them then you're pretty much fucked, and will have to pay top dollar!

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1500625]Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.[/QUOTE]It's the same world over. A university graduate in the Uk can get £25, 000 / year; an uneducated tart can make four / five times that for half a year's work. Tax free. It is true the distortion in Thailand is greater but that is because it is moving from a low paid day worker agrarian economy to a more mixed economy.

Whilst Baht 2, 000 may be a lot of money in Thai terms to the European a f*ck for £40 = and often for £20 is bloody good value.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1500540]Yes indeed. With many girls, it is about how much they need more so than how much they are worth. Some girls are wanting significantly more than they are worth. These types don't get many repeat customers.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Amjeck; 1500635]They all want more than they're worth!

Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.[/QUOTE]I think we're all aware there are two prices in Bangkok: one for farangs, one for Thais. This is true for sex; it is also true for entry into the National Palace.

While some individuals may overpay, when there is a free market supply and demand will always result in a "fair" price. We all know the Ratchada soapies apply a farang surcharge, and my experience frequenting these establishments is some of the ladies absolutely do not want to go with a farang while other are willing because they will get a couple hundred extra bahts. Natty Bumpo made some excellent posts about Saphan Kwai. The prices sound good but notice he warned not expect a PSE. The ladies f*ck the way Thai ladies and gentlemen f*ck, not the way farangs do.

I think Thai women initially have to overcome their reluctance of getting f*cked by a farang and their disdain for the way we use our mouths while having sex. While we are willing to pay extra to women who are willing to f*ck us the way we like it.

What I find interesting is that Thai woman who go into the segment of the sex industry that caters to us initially do so because they know the money is good; however after awhile some discover they enjoy DFK and DATY, which would never have happened if they had stuck to just Thai men.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1500646]It's the same world over. A university graduate in the Uk can get £25, 000 / year; an uneducated tart can make four / five times that for half a year's work.[/QUOTE]A university graduate in the USA can get $30,000 / year. While an uneducated, no talent drek can go drive a truck in Afghanistan and make triple that, plus get a couple weeks vacation in Thailand every three months. And a westerner who can't afford to live in his own country can strut around like a little kinglet in SE Asia. You do the best you can for yourself, while these Thai girls do the best they can for themselves. Live and let live.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1500625]Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.[/QUOTE]My ST is 2 hours. Plus I did not mind to pay 2k for a very superior girl. I would not pay that for average girl. There was no negotiation. Same as I tip very superior girls at MPs a bit extra, but not for a crap session. I reward performance and never will pay the same to every girl.

In Germany 2 hours would cost 8000 Baht with a Romanian girl. I would then often take just 1 hour to reduce the cost. These Romanian girls are making massively more money than they could get in a normal job back home. Guys who want really cheap have options of Pattaya or Cambodia. In my case price is not the main criteria.

When she gets several guys showing up at the same time, and she does some days, she has to decide which customer she should run to.

Wolvenvacht is dead right about matching the buyers price with the sellers price but I don't like to negotiate. Mostly girls do not quote a price to me.

Girls are taking sex over a normal job in order to make much more money than normal. Otherwise why put up with these guys fucking and groping them. Comparing to a normal salary makes little sense. Some bar girls are not making much because they have few customers. I would estimate that my bar girl Noi is making 40k to 50k per month as is very popular and does both ST and LT. Busy MP girls can make a lot more than that but they have the drawback of no choice of customer. Many bargirls are struggling now as BKK very quiet.

I guess Amjeck has to take time to find a girl willing to screw for very little. Some of us don't have the time for that. If can find a hot girl I will just sneak to the MP for a short time. If have a bit more time can do a bargirl. I have been to biergarten to look at the freelancers, but they just don't do much for me, and I don't have time to wait for the right superior girl to show. Nana car park girls are not interesting me either. I also prefer to see an array of girls naked first so I am sure the body is what I look for.

Different guys are in completely different situations and therefore have completely different modes of operation. For me time is scarce and than is my main focus. There is no time to hunt for a great girl at a great price. Today I have to put in several hours of work, and have to take GF shopping LOL.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1500635]They all want more than they're worth!

Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.[/QUOTE]I got news for you. The Thai men at upper class Soapies are paying considerably more than 1K for girls whose looks are not that special (to my eye) and whose performance is also not that special. There are relatively few all natural great lookers (I am quite fussy) in these places and they go for a lot more than 1K for Thai customers. Most Soapy girls are just very average lookers, perhaps with whiter skin (does little for me) and perhaps with silly sharp or piggy noses and silly ball shaped tits. These girls spend much on doing hair styles and makeup but it doesn't hide their somewhat average looks. I am not finding girls I want to keep repeating in the lowest class Soapies. Most of my regular Soapy girls seem to come from up market places, and even there its not easy to find the right super girl. I have tried the cheap places if have anything that looks acceptable (often not).

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1500625]2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour.[/QUOTE]No its not. That's always been a false argument.

There's no shortage of accounting clerks with uni degrees. They are a dime a dozen. And you don't have to fly thousands of miles to third world, ooops, developing nations to find them. Pretty young girls who are willing to spread their legs for a few bucks for some slob who can't otherwise get laid have much more value.

And if she can fake it and make you actually believe she likes it she become 'gem' does't she?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1500661]I got news for you. The Thai men at upper class Soapies are paying considerably more than 1K for girls whose looks are not that special (to my eye) and whose performance is also not that special. There are relatively few all natural great lookers (I am quite fussy) in these places and they go for a lot more than 1K for Thai customers. Most Soapy girls are just very average lookers, perhaps with whiter skin (does little for me) and perhaps with silly sharp or piggy noses and silly ball shaped tits. These girls spend much on doing hair styles and makeup but it doesn't hide their somewhat average looks. I am not finding girls I want to keep repeating in the lowest class Soapies. Most of my regular Soapy girls seem to come from up market places, and even there its not easy to find the right super girl. I have tried the cheap places if have anything that looks acceptable (often not).[/QUOTE]Additionally, based on what I read and hear G-clubs are cropping up right and left and their business is booming. Most members are Thai, the ladies are very expensive company, and they only offer company. For sex you make arrangements to see them on another night. The ladies aren't interested in a one night stand. They are looking for a full-time sponsor. Men with plenty of money to spend will spend plenty of money on women.

[QUOTE=BkkCracy; 1500327]My company cancels the BKK trip due to the political situation developing over in Thailand.

So many thought about fantasies down the drain.

This to be lucky dog. Is now a weeping puppy.

Next targeted trip to be now in Jan. Fingers crossed.

All you guys take care![/QUOTE]I am planning to come to Bangkok on Saturday for a week. Can someone in the area tell me how bad the situation is?

Any general statement about what Thai guys pay or get is never going to be really accurate because there are such a range of them. There are truck drivers and laborers who pay B300 for the girls in the bushes at Sanam Luang. There are rich guys who pay huge amounts for models and actresses. And there are loads of middle-class guys who pay a whole range of prices depending how flush they're feeling at the moment. It's also hard to generalize about whether or not they get 'better' girls than we do as their tastes tend to be different than ours. For one thing they tend to be more concerned with the girls' personalities and conversational abilities. Western guys tend to be more into the girl's performance.

Bottom line, Thai or farang, given enough time and effort, most of us can still usually find in Thailand what we want at a price we're willing to pay. And what else matters?

[QUOTE=JohnsonAndBill;1500697]I am planning to come to Bangkok on Saturday for a week. Can someone in the area tell me how bad the situation is?[/QUOTE]As of today the demonstrations are confined to a small art of the city intent on disrupting the GoT a lll to the west of China town. Main tourist areas totally unaffected.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1500530]It is probably universally true that SWs prefer older men. It is not a myth.[/QUOTE]You wrote about SWs whereas Monopoly asked about disco chicks. On the flip side of what you are saying, I know many hookers who say they are grossed out by older men, the same as you may be by women much older than you.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1500702]As of today the demonstrations are confined to a small art of the city intent on disrupting the GoT a lll to the west of China town. Main tourist areas totally unaffected.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply. Hopefully the situation will come under control in next 2 3 days.

[QUOTE=Betong;1500699]Bottom line, Thai or farang, given enough time and effort, most of us can still usually find in Thailand what we want at a price we're willing to pay. And what else matters?[/QUOTE]Yes otherwise why would we be here or on this Forum?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1500625]Quite a statement. 2k is a lot of money for an hours work. Starting salary for a uni grad is supposed to by 15k a month, but is usually more like 12k. Yet a sixth grade "edumacated" bumpkin from upcountry who does not really know sh*t from Shinola can get some foreign dude to pay her 2 full working days salary for an hour. Good on the gal and too bad for the Farang.[/QUOTE]Thailand is getting expensive. supermarket prices have risen a lot. Its hard to live in central Bangkok on 15K and impossible if have others to support. Most working girls do have others to support. Could be mother, sister, daughter, BF, etc.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1500705]You wrote about SWs whereas Monopoly asked about disco chicks. On the flip side of what you are saying, I know many hookers who say they are grossed out by older men, the same as you may be by women much older than you.[/QUOTE]I wasn't aware FLs are not SWs? As for the women at Climax, a large percentage go there when the gogos they work in close. They're gogo bar dancers moonlighting as FLs trying to pick up one more client. I'd be willing to bet a fair number of those ladies approaching Monopoly were gogo bar girls.

FLs, gogo bar girls, MP girls, escorts, they're all SWs working in different segments of the industry. I described my conversations with escorts because I've had more frank conversations with more escorts than other types of SWs.

I'm expect you could find some SWs who tell you older men gross them out. They're going to tell a younger guy they prefer younger guys and muscular guys that they like men with big muscles; and I agree when it comes to relationships most women prefer a man who is not too much older; but when it comes to sex for money, they don't care about age or appearance. They do care about whether you are clean; and the petite and less experienced ones may be concerned when they encounter a man who is unusually well endowed. SWs are looking for the best client and the older men tend to be better clients. It's not uncommon to see an elite escort who is in high demand stating on her website that she will not see a man who is younger than 35.

Put a well dressed, well groomed older man who appears to have money next to a good looking young guy who looks like a bum with no money and see who attracts the SWs. Now it may be true that some of those SWs may have a cute young boyfriend with no money whom they are supporting, but that's a different matter. SWs see no connection between work and their personal lives. The fact that both involve sex is just because that's the nature of their work.

Personally, I believe good SWs provide a valuable service. They give men who are young and old, fat and fit, handsome and not so an opportunity to have a great time with a pretty young lady. I guy who is self conscious because of his age or appearance can set those concerns aside and just enjoy himself.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1500635]They all want more than they're worth!

Any guy who understands the Thai prostitution market knows that all of the girls in the tourist gogos are overpriced and are being propped up by ignorant tourists and japs (and there's no shortage at the moment). If all the tourists (and Japs) dissapeared, these girls would have to sell it at their true Thai "worth" which would be about 1k ST (1kST +600 bf). No thai man would pay more than that for these type of girls.[/QUOTE]You have just described 75+% of the economy: a fair price for most consumer goods would be production + shipping + "normal" profit margin". Except "normal" is something like 200% for companies like Apple, Nike, ... They only survive because we, the consumer, are happy and willing to pay for their overpriced things.

I see no difference between that and our hobby.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1500763]You have just described 75+% of the economy: a fair price for most consumer goods would be production + shipping + "normal" profit margin". Except "normal" is something like 200% for companies like Apple, Nike, . They only survive because we, the consumer, are happy and willing to pay for their overpriced things.

I see no difference between that and our hobby.[/QUOTE]Good point, but I'd change the formula slightly:

Cost of goods + overhead + profits. It's not uncommon for a product's MSRP to be 10 times what it cost to manufacture. However, when you look at the company's annual report you may see a profit of only 5 percent. This is because overhead costs are huge. Packaging often costs more than the product. Liquor brands spend more money on the fancy bottles super premium vodkas are packaged in than the contents of the bottle. The same is true with cosmetics. Advertising, marketing and promotion costs for some products are also huge expenses. Decades ago in the USA Kmart revolutionized retail by adopting a merchandising plan and point of sales system like grocery store chains use to lower overhead. Target, Walmart and many other discount retailers have copied the strategy. Stuff is expensive because we want shopping to be an "experience" and are willing to pay for the posh stores, fancy packaging and stupid ads.

Similarly, we are paying for the overhead in the sex industry. The space the gogo bar's stage takes up adds to the rent, and then there is the stage, lighting and sound system. Part of the bar fine and the cost of the lady drinks are covering these costs. The MPs have to pay for the room you're shagging in and the water you use when you shower. The people running the escort agencies take half of what you pay to the escort to cover their overhead.

You do get rid of these overhead costs when you negotiate directly with an FL; however, the price point reflects the most the guys are willing to spend and the least the ladies are willing to accept. Sure there are some outliers. Some guys don't know the going rate and overpay. Some ladies are desperate and will occasionally sell themselves at a discount. But by and large it's the market place at work.

The ladies do have several advantages. The guys have spent a bundle on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and drink because they want to get f*cked. What are they going to do? Will they spend two weeks refusing the prices the ladies are asking? These are factors at work in the market and it is inevitable they will influence the price. Additionally, the guys have been drinking and probably have less experience at negotiations than the ladies. It's easy to understand why they're likely to pay more than a guy who lives in BKK, knows the prices, has a lot of experience negotiating for sex and can easily decide to walk away and look for a lady the following night. Naturally this will create some contention between the two week millionaires who flew in for a few f*cks and the expats residing in the City of Angels.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500782]Good point, but I'd change the formula slightly:

Cost of goods + overhead + profits. It's not uncommon for a product's MSRP to be 10 times what it cost to manufacture. However, when you look at the company's annual report you may see a profit of only 5 percent. This is because overhead costs are huge. Packaging often costs more than the product. Liquor brands spend more money on the fancy bottles super premium vodkas are packaged in than the contents of the bottle. The same is true with cosmetics. Advertising, marketing and promotion costs for some products are also huge expenses. Decades ago in the USA Kmart revolutionized retail by adopting a merchandising plan and point of sales system like grocery store chains use to lower overhead. Target, Walmart and many other discount retailers have copied the strategy. Stuff is expensive because we want shopping to be an "experience" and are willing to pay for the posh stores, fancy packaging and stupid ads.

Similarly, we are paying for the overhead in the sex industry. The space the gogo bar's stage takes up adds to the rent, and then there is the stage, lighting and sound system. Part of the bar fine and the cost of the lady drinks are covering these costs. The MPs have to pay for the room you're shagging in and the water you use when you shower. The people running the escort agencies take half of what you pay to the escort to cover their overhead.

You do get rid of these overhead costs when you negotiate directly with an FL; however, the price point reflects the most the guys are willing to spend and the least the ladies are willing to accept. Sure there are some outliers. Some guys don't know the going rate and overpay. Some ladies are desperate and will occasionally sell themselves at a discount. But by and large it's the market place at work.

The ladies do have several advantages. The guys have spent a bundle on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and drink because they want to get f*cked. What are they going to do? Will they spend two weeks refusing the prices the ladies are asking? These are factors at work in the market and it is inevitable they will influence the price. Additionally, the guys have been drinking and probably have less experience at negotiations than the ladies. It's easy to understand why they're likely to pay more than a guy who lives in BKK, knows the prices, has a lot of experience negotiating for sex and can easily decide to walk away and look for a lady the following night. Naturally this will create some contention between the two week millionaires who flew in for a few f*cks and the expats residing in the City of Angels.[/QUOTE]That I could just go bar fine a spinner and f*ck her without hang to go through MSc economics to determine a price for my pleasure.

I have just spent an hour with no 44 at Annies and paid Baht 2, 500 fixed price. And I gave her Baht 500 tip. All in $90+ Do I give a shit about the price (my last who in Florida cost me $360 / hour) my business class fare here cost me $3200 and I ain't going to get pissed off about paying for a fun hour.

Last night, in a bar I watched a slightly (maybe. More drunk) guy surrounded by three / four women all piling lady's drinks on his tab. As I left I did suggest he watched his bar tab."Hell, no," he said,"I am having fun." I doubt he got away with a bar tab of under Baht 4, 000.

PS Gullivers empty, Beer Garden 50:50 who's punters.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1500705]You wrote about SWs whereas Monopoly asked about disco chicks. On the flip side of what you are saying, I know many hookers who say they are grossed out by older men, the same as you may be by women much older than you.[/QUOTE]Don't you know by now not to feed the pedants.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1500759]I wasn't aware FLs are not SWs? As for the women at Climax, a large percentage go there when the gogos they work in close. They're gogo bar dancers moonlighting as FLs trying to pick up one more client. I'd be willing to bet a fair number of those ladies approaching Monopoly were gogo bar girls.[/QUOTE]PK, I think you are confusing the abbreviations. SW means street walker; for example, the girls in the Nana parking lot or up and down Sukhumvit. Besides that, I would suspect that a FL does not step into Climax hoping to find a 70 year old gentleman. Keep dreaming. I hope that when I am 70 that my dreams will be as big.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1500879]PK, I think you are confusing the abbreviations. SW means street walker; for example, the girls in the Nana parking lot or up and down Sukhumvit. Besides that, I would suspect that a FL does not step into Climax hoping to find a 70 year old gentleman. Keep dreaming. I hope that when I am 70 that my dreams will be as big.[/QUOTE]It is always good to agree on definitions first. Here is how I was using the acronyms.

SW = sex worker, anyone who offers sex for money.

FL = free lancers, any SW who works independent of an establishment or agency.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1500879]PK, I think you are confusing the abbreviations. SW means street walker; for example, the girls in the Nana parking lot or up and down Sukhumvit. Besides that, I would suspect that a FL does not step into Climax hoping to find a 70 year old gentleman. Keep dreaming. I hope that when I am 70 that my dreams will be as big.[/QUOTE]How do you figure freelancers anywhere do not go for 70 something guys?

I have personally seen good looking freelancers go with really old looking guys. Do not know how old they really are. Girls do not ask how old you are. Even if they ask you can lower your number by 15 years anyway, it is not like you need to show them your I. D.

Any age + Money = girl in bed.

Young age + little money = girl in bed.

Regular girls + no money + young age = Maybe free sex.

Let me guess:

SW= Street walkers; The working girls walking on the street, so far as we see sex service providers in upper sukhumvit.

FL= Free lancers; Don't have any bondage with clubs or bars or any establishments. Provides sex services too, but they are on their own. Found in discos or clubs etc places.

SWs might be counted as FLs, but never been seen in any discos or clubs. But FLs are on street? Nahhh, never ever. Some times FLs are seen in the web world too, if they are fallen from their best days. But never on the street.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1500888]Regular girls + no money + young age = Maybe free sex.[/QUOTE]But please add some side costs.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1500885]It is always good to agree on definitions first. Here is how I was using the acronyms.

SW = sex worker, anyone who offers sex for money.

FL = free lancers, any SW who works independent of an establishment or agency.[/QUOTE]Usually SW goes for Street Worker, as your definition goes under the acronymous of WG, working girl.

A WG can be anywhere.

A SW won't be in a bar or in an establishment.

A FL can be anywhere, in a pinch even in a bar if that is open to accept those girls being there (with no money paid by the bar, but the bar earning for their LD) , so a FL can be a WG acting as SW, LOL

[QUOTE=Sammon;1500888]How do you figure freelancers anywhere do not go for 70 something guys?[/QUOTE]Again, the original poster, Monopoly, asked about FL in the discos, not in BG, not Thermae, not Sukhumvit. How many 70 something guys have you run into in the discos? Me, 0.

From ISG Abreviations Page:

SW = Street Walker.

SW = Sex Worker.

SYT = Sweet Young Thing.

So the term can have two meanings. I have always assumed SW stood for Street Walker, a certain type of Sex Worker as well as a certain type of Free Lancer. I think this is the more accurate definition of the abbreviation I. E. A girl that works the street as opposed to a girl working a disco or bar where I think the FL term better applies. They are all Sex Workers or better yet, Working Girls, God bless their little hearts.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1500908]From ISG Abreviations Page:

SW = Street Walker.

SW = Sex Worker.

SYT = Sweet Young Thing.

So the term can have two meanings. I have always assumed SW stood for Street Walker, a certain type of Sex Worker as well as a certain type of Free Lancer. I think this is the more accurate definition of the abbreviation I. E. A girl that works the street as opposed to a girl working a disco or bar where I think the FL term better applies. They are all Sex Workers or better yet, Working Girls, God bless their little hearts.[/QUOTE]I don't want to be semantyc, butif You scrolled a bit more on the abbreviation guide, you'd find.

WG Working girl. A prostitute.

i want to change the topic. lol.

had a look in crazy house tonight. its still a very busy bar. they have the set of girls who dance nude and the set that cover the tits and wear a frilly skirt but no knickers. the reason is two fold. firstly not all girls have beautiful tits, maybe some have stretch marks to cover, and some guys like to look up skirts more than see a girl fully nude.

at 9pm, i thought that all the girls were fairly acceptable looking, well above average faces, with no shockers at all. however the best lookers were already bar fined by this time, so no stunners left. some quite slim girls but not many. most sporting a bit of baby fat even if normally classified as slim. not much silicone thankfully. not one super stunning ass on display. so if noi from doll house were transplanted into crazy house, i would still look at her, as having easily the most sexy slim body. some girls would possibly have a slightly prettier face than noi though.

the girl with prettiest face i ever saw at ch does not work there any more. anyway she was **** and had a bf (appeared to have). she hated going with old customers, so was an exception to the rule about bar girls liking old guys. there always are a few exceptions. i wonder if girls that are looking for a very quick st, whether they prefer young guys or old guys?

generally the standard at ch is pretty good, which is what draws the customers, but get there early. most of the waitresses are gatoeys, which is a bit unusual. maybe they can be bar-fined too. lol. fortunately we did not have to see them nude.

i did not bf a girl as was very satisfied after my sex workout at cherry massage with bo. so was just window shopping. lol bought my girl a few drinks and gave her a good tip though, just to help support her that little bit as she is a relative newbie and young mother deserted by her thai man and has serious debts to cover. does not want to work in a bar, but needs the extra money. a sweet shy thing compared to most.

Hey everyone,

Its been ages since I've posted at these forums. Last time I posted here it seems that a good amount of people enjoyed them. I hope to do the same with my BK report though targeting a different subculture of girls. Athletic girls. The kind of girls that have either played sports, are into exercising, or born with God given great genetics.

Last time I was here it was pretty tough to find the busty big butt girl with the thin waist (or even abs) but I did manage to find some. One was a street walker (she didn't have a super thin waist, though she had an ass. The other times was just browsing through some pics of girls through sites like Caesars and the rest of the gang. I did manage to find a few that way too. One was swimmer and the other used to run. The best was at a bar I think it was at Nana. She was one of the many dancers there, a spinner like the rest, except she had an ass.

She got that way through Yoga.

From what I've heard, the girls in Isaan tend to be more athletic percentage wise than say BK girls, who are more of the skinny legged, lighter skin types.

My question is where I can find these athletic girls? Or fit girls? I was thinking a GoGo bar that had a variety of real pole dancers which is probably a good workout for these girls.

Since I am planning to live here, maybe get a college gymnast Thai girl (though don't where to find that either!) for long term. Maybe go check out Isaan?

Thanks for any help gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1500782]The ladies do have several advantages. The guys have spent a bundle on plane tickets, hotel rooms, food and drink because they want to get f*cked. What are they going to do? Will they spend two weeks refusing the prices the ladies are asking? These are factors at work in the market and it is inevitable they will influence the price. Additionally, the guys have been drinking and probably have less experience at negotiations than the ladies. It's easy to understand why they're likely to pay more than a guy who lives in BKK, knows the prices, has a lot of experience negotiating for sex and can easily decide to walk away and look for a lady the following night. Naturally this will create some contention between the two week millionaires who flew in for a few f*cks and the expats residing in the City of Angels.[/QUOTE]Correct. The girls know what they are up against during what time of year and act accordingly.

Also, don't assume that every expat negotiates price. There are plenty of expats who pay top dollar all the time. There are lots of reasons for this.

[QUOTE=Goyer78; 1500963]My question is where I can find these athletic girls? Or fit girls? I was thinking a GoGo bar that had a variety of real pole dancers which is probably a good workout for these girls.

Since I am planning to live here, maybe get a college gymnast Thai girl (though don't where to find that either!) for long term. Maybe go check out Isaan?

Thanks for any help gentlemen.[/QUOTE]"fit girls"?

Its not clear if you seek a girl with stamina, or big powerful legs, or tiny with skinny legs with wire like muscles, or extremely toned body with no fat.

I have not seen any extended "pole dances", mostly go-go girls holding a pole suggestively. I have met girls that worked out in the Gym regularly and had very strong legs, so I suggest you look in the fitness centres.

Long Gun and Suzi Wong used to have some fairly athletic dance routines that utilised the poles just a little, pole dance style. The best dancers left Long Gun some time back.

I have a fairly known face into the FL discos in lower Suk and others. I have from very relaible sources that no streetwalkergirls are allowed entering clubs in this area. Reason; troublemakers, hiv positive and drugs or combinations.

I see many old punters comfort themself with sayings like girls like us as we do fasttrack (maby slow, hehe) service. I been browsing a couple of days ago spinners in Climax. My observations;

I have just turned 40 (maby look like 35ish) and I stand alone. I don't give any hints verbaly, smiley or behaviourly I want girls. I am a chemistrymaker and spend a lot of baths creating my safe haven at a table at the back. I see girls (in Climax) often with elderly guys looking at me and eyeballing. I have a nice fleet of drinks, vodkas and stuffs resting at my table and on manu occations I see girls leave oldies and hit me to have fun. I am a chemistry guy and a creater of good mood. I ask sometimes the girls why they stand next to the oldie and many times I hear they say they preferelably like to milk the oldie for some good money. What hits me is sth how cheap people are. Many travel half away around the globe to save and save and stand alone at a table hitting their half empty Carlsberg and did not know what hit them. Looking at my table with vodkas (bottles) girls for sure atleast think they will have more fun time at my table.

A sexworker is a sexworker and she flows with the possibility of good compensations. But oldies recieving better ladies than I do, hm, well I don't know. I have to say, when speaking of I. E Climax; this is my nr one spot for picking up FLs. I don't take girls away from their "dates" but they seem to leave their date and arrive at my table (I am sorry about this). I groom well and look fresh and young with decent fashion clothes. I am sure there will be girls for everyone but speaking of the best looking girls they also want some attraction believe it or not (my exp approx 8 years now)

I am a rather hardcore motherfucker and the girls know it won't be easy. I create good laughs, chemistry and enjoy when a girl realy takes her initiative and ask if we should go for bang bang. I never discuss money upfront but almost never did I hear questipns about it anyway. Ofcourse I do compensate girls. One girl a couple of days ago I did infact forget to pay any money as instill where drunk and she had to go off to work (late afternoon after multiple pops, cim and a+ service. I did infact look her up and reimburshed her later servicing reception at one of BKKs finest establishments (hotelwice). I know managment very well some places and in this case she was rather new to the scene and would never go older than 40. I guess exceptions where to be had. But she did recognice me from from staying at her workplace (very upscale hotel and nothing like the cheapies Landmark, T21, S 31 etc etc.

But to be frank there will be someone for everyone but no chance in hell they choose a old guy if they can have a rather young smashing one. My exp anyway.

Well you young whipper-snappers can go on denying reality, but here it is straight from three ladies who work for Pure Bangkok Escorts. (Taken from a recent interview in Stickman's Weekly column.)

Candy: "I like older men. They are more relaxed and they speak politely."

Jessica: "I don't like young men. I prefer men aged 35 up." "Young women get men excited. Older men see us as young women and they get excited. And when older men are done they want to sleep right away."

And the barely legal Fiona adds: "It's work, it's not love so I don't even think about their age. They're paying so any age is ok."

Of course I'm sure these ladies would be more than happy to have some of you youngsters try to convince them they should reconsider their attitudes towards young men.

But there you have it. Ladies of the night prefer polite, sleepy old men. Eat your hearts out!

Writing guidelines instruct us to spell out a phrase the first time it is used and only use the acronym afterwards. The confusion I created illustrates why.

I was deliberate in choosing to use SW for sex worker in one of my earlier posts. Many of the ladies I've known over the years have made it very clear to me that they did not like people to use terms like prostitute, call girl, stripper and especially street walker. They were adamant that they were sex workers, a term first used by Carol Leigh in her book [I]Sex Work: Writings By Women In The Sex Industry[/I]. The strippers said they were dancers, sex workers who danced in clubs. Women who were once known as call girls wanted to be called escorts. Today health organizations, NGOs and governments widely use the term sex worker. Resistance to the newer terminology comes from social conservatives, anti-prostitution feminists, and other prohibitionists. So when we call a lady a prostitute, street walker or wh*re, we are reinforcing the stigmas these people try to impose on these women.

So in a tender moment I decided to use the term my former lady friends preferred. In some of my posts I'm certainly guilty of using some pretty foul language when discussing sex workers, but not when I'm interacting with them. While I may yell out some rather graphic phrases as my lust builds and the action gets hot and heavy, before and after the sex I act like a gentleman and treat my partner like a lady.

I see nothing wrong with getting as raunchy and nasty as you want and the lady permits, that's what you're paying for, but before the action begins and after it ends the lady deserves to be treated with respect.

Besides, attitude is important and the right attitude brings out other people's best.

Now I'll climb off my soap box.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501080]"fit girls"?

Its not clear if you seek a girl with stamina, or big powerful legs, or tiny with skinny legs with wire like muscles, or extremely toned body with no fat.

I have not seen any extended "pole dances", mostly go-go girls holding a pole suggestively. I have met girls that worked out in the Gym regularly and had very strong legs, so I suggest you look in the fitness centres.

Long Gun and Suzi Wong used to have some fairly athletic dance routines that utilised the poles just a little, pole dance style. The best dancers left Long Gun some time back.[/QUOTE]Sadly many Thai gals are "skinny fat." Thin but with very little muscle tone. Reason- Women who are toned get mistaken for ladyboys."Fit" has never really caught on here. That is too bad, as fit gals look great.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1501104]I have a fairly known face into the FL discos in lower Suk and others. I have from very relaible sources that no streetwalkergirls are allowed entering clubs in this area. Reason; troublemakers, hiv positive and drugs or combinations.

I see many old punters comfort themself with sayings like girls like us as we do fasttrack (maby slow, hehe) service. I been browsing a couple of days ago spinners in Climax. My observations;

I have just turned 40 (maby look like 35ish) and I stand alone. I don't give any hints verbaly, smiley or behaviourly I want girls. I am a chemistrymaker and spend a lot of baths creating my safe haven at a table at the back. I see girls (in Climax) often with elderly guys looking at me and eyeballing. I have a nice fleet of drinks, vodkas and stuffs resting at my table and on manu occations I see girls leave oldies and hit me to have fun. I am a chemistry guy and a creater of good mood. I ask sometimes the girls why they stand next to the oldie and many times I hear they say they preferelably like to milk the oldie for some good money. What hits me is sth how cheap people are. Many travel half away around the globe to save and save and stand alone at a table hitting their half empty Carlsberg and did not know what hit them. Looking at my table with vodkas (bottles) girls for sure atleast think they will have more fun time at my table.

A sexworker is a sexworker and she flows with the possibility of good compensations. But oldies recieving better ladies than I do, hm, well I don't know. I have to say, when speaking of I. E Climax; this is my nr one spot for picking up FLs. I don't take girls away from their "dates" but they seem to leave their date and arrive at my table (I am sorry about this). I groom well and look fresh and young with decent fashion clothes. I am sure there will be girls for everyone but speaking of the best looking girls they also want some attraction believe it or not (my exp approx 8 years now)

I am a rather hardcore motherfucker and the girls know it won't be easy. I create good laughs, chemistry and enjoy when a girl realy takes her initiative and ask if we should go for bang bang. I never discuss money upfront but almost never did I hear questipns about it anyway. Ofcourse I do compensate girls. One girl a couple of days ago I did infact forget to pay any money as instill where drunk and she had to go off to work (late afternoon after multiple pops, cim and a+ service. I did infact look her up and reimburshed her later servicing reception at one of BKKs finest establishments (hotelwice). I know managment very well some places and in this case she was rather new to the scene and would never go older than 40. I guess exceptions where to be had. But she did recognice me from from staying at her workplace (very upscale hotel and nothing like the cheapies Landmark, T21, S 31 etc etc.

But to be frank there will be someone for everyone but no chance in hell they choose a old guy if they can have a rather young smashing one. My exp anyway.[/QUOTE]I am older guy mongering and spending good part of my last 15 years in Bangkok. I agrry with your aproch of having at least one bottle of whiskey in any club that I go, thats defenetly works in my favor 90% of the time getting girls coming to my table and opening conversations with me.

But disagree about freelancers in Climax. Most of the girls from beer garden gulliver and nana parking will end up in Climax or other sukhumvit disco.

Also I hate climax because its so dark that you can't see the faces of the girls with all that heavy make up untill you leave the bar and you see there faces in real light. Many times when the lights open up at the closing I dump the girl seeing her real face.

Sorry just my opinion,

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1501104]I have a fairly known face into the FL discos in lower Suk and others. I have from very relaible sources that no streetwalkergirls are allowed entering clubs in this area. Reason; troublemakers, hiv positive and drugs or combinations.

I see many old punters comfort themself with sayings like girls like us as we do fasttrack (maby slow, hehe) service. I been browsing a couple of days ago spinners in Climax. My observations;

I have just turned 40 (maby look like 35ish) and I stand alone. I don't give any hints verbaly, smiley or behaviourly I want girls. I am a chemistrymaker and spend a lot of baths creating my safe haven at a table at the back. I see girls (in Climax) often with elderly guys looking at me and eyeballing. I have a nice fleet of drinks, vodkas and stuffs resting at my table and on manu occations I see girls leave oldies and hit me to have fun. I am a chemistry guy and a creater of good mood. I ask sometimes the girls why they stand next to the oldie and many times I hear they say they preferelably like to milk the oldie for some good money. What hits me is sth how cheap people are. Many travel half away around the globe to save and save and stand alone at a table hitting their half empty Carlsberg and did not know what hit them. Looking at my table with vodkas (bottles) girls for sure atleast think they will have more fun time at my table.[/QUOTE]Please hold my hand while I vomit.

I look at your table "with vodkas" and say to myself;

"ha ha. This guy thinks he is in a club in the real world. Not in BKK. Pathetic that he thinks he has to impress anyone"

JMHO dude.

[QUOTE=Love Sex 22; 1501181]I am older guy mongering and spending good part of my last 15 years in Bangkok. I agrry with your aproch of having at least one bottle of whiskey in any club that I go, thats defenetly works in my favor 90% of the time getting girls coming to my table and opening conversations with me.

But disagree about freelancers in Climax. Most of the girls from beer garden gulliver and nana parking will end up in Climax or other sukhumvit disco.

Also I hate climax because its so dark that you can't see the faces of the girls with all that heavy make up untill you leave the bar and you see there faces in real light. Many times when the lights open up at the closing I dump the girl seeing her real face.

Sorry just my opinion, [/QUOTE]You are on target with your commentary about who freelances in Climax. Add the bar girls from Soi Cowboy, Patpong and Nana who can possibly bring a "customa" who might spring for some drinks or a bottle. Some guys have to believe they have discovered an oasis to be happy. Climax is just a freelancer gathering place for hungry girls and ladyboys. No special show is necessary for them. If you look fairly normal, you can have what you want and you don't have to have beautiful "vodkas" available. Anyone who doubts this, I will meet you there and prove my point. Just bring your vodka money.

Demonstrations are spreading to outlying areas. They have vowed to take over every government building and topple Yingluck. The government has issued arrest warrant for Suthep Thaugsuban, but has left enforcement to Police. Police are doing little visibly (kind of like when you get pick pocketed) , but continue active program of fining motorsai drivers with no helmet. Suthep is leading marches and doesn't seem concerend over the warrant, as long as he has his security team around him. THB is up slightly today, but you can get around 31. 85 on the street. Come to BKK. You can go to discos where you can fantasize that you have picked up the girl next door.

was in thailand a few days ago and decided to try a variety of adventures.

most of the farangs here seem to go the common farang friendly places, but i wanted to try something else.

was reading on the thai forums (thanks google for sort of translating them) about various place and located one called [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] spa (about 15-20 mins walk from sala daeng bts station)

it's in a house in a suburban st, but there is a sign when you walk down soi 1 sala daeng.

the papa was very friendly and had no problems with me being there.

went around lunch time and only 2 girls avail (the one i was hoping to see wasn't on).

first girl wasn't my type, but the 2nd definitely was!

slim and almost perfect teen body (said she was turning 20)

now the prices are on the high side.

b2000 for 1hr massage and hj only.

in the room the extras are b1000 for cbj and and b2000 for full service.

since i was already rearing to go, took the full option.

very inexperienced and she was clearly not expecting a farang. maybe her first. not sure.

overall she tried to be accommodating, but kept holding her belly saying it hurt.

i tried to go relatively gentle and worked through a number of positions but they were all too much for her.

overall glad i tried. model quality. said she was from born in bangkok with mixed chinese heritage, and clearly a different class to the girls in the bars.

something different if you are a bit jaded from the bar and disco scenes.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1501184]I look at your table "with vodkas" and say to myself; "ha ha. This guy thinks he is in a club in the real world. Not in BKK. Pathetic that he thinks he has to impress anyone".[/QUOTE]Well it's no different than the lady drink thing. I pretty much agree with you though. My method is to wake up in the middle of the night, head to the disco, find someone I like, go up to them and say "Let's go." Sometimes she may say,"How much you give me?" Then I may have to negotiate. If not she will find herself with 1000-1500 baht the next morning. No names or bullshit formalities needed. I've never felt the need to wine and dine a hooker. Now if I feel like wining and dining myself and can't find a non-pro to tag along then that is different.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2; 1501184]Please hold my hand while I vomit.

I look at your table "with vodkas" and say to myself;

"ha ha. This guy thinks he is in a club in the real world. Not in BKK. Pathetic that he thinks he has to impress anyone"

JMHO dude.[/QUOTE]Not sure what is your vomit problem. Is he really trying to "impress" girls, or really just giving a single that he is not too cheap. He certainly is not trying to impress you. I give the bargirls signals that I am not too cheap also, one way or another, and therefore rarely have to discuss the price of a fuck. Then I can pay whatever was fair in my view.

Each guy just finds a method of operation that works for him and provides the satisfactory amount of illusion to get his enjoyment.

I really didn't like the music at Insanity and was bored by it, and I don't have time for discos. Climax was better for me in the past (more suited to my age group). I get girls for sex more directly and more quickly, which is usually MPs or bars. Still like looking at naked girls from time to time (not every day) , when they have great bodies that is.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501080]"fit girls"?

Its not clear if you seek a girl with stamina, or big powerful legs, or tiny with skinny legs with wire like muscles, or extremely toned body with no fat.

I have not seen any extended "pole dances", mostly go-go girls holding a pole suggestively. I have met girls that worked out in the Gym regularly and had very strong legs, so I suggest you look in the fitness centres.

Long Gun and Suzi Wong used to have some fairly athletic dance routines that utilised the poles just a little, pole dance style. The best dancers left Long Gun some time back.[/QUOTE]Actually all of the above would be my answer. Well. Aside from the stamina issue. But yeah, pretty much any girl that has a tiny bit of muscle tone, usually around the lower body. I took dance lessons one time and the girls there had amazing bodies. Didn't do anything at all since I was in BKK for just a short time and took the dance lessons for my own amusement to try something new that was cheap.

One time I went to gym in the Lad Prao area and was hanging out with a girl that worked as a trainer. She invited me to eat, paid and all, but she was hard to score with since she either wanted to be friends (or to learn free English, maybe status, or just liked my company) or she wanted something more serious and didn't want to put out. Again, was there for short time so nothing could really develop. Didn't have the patience either when I could get my thrills in an MP, at Soi Cowboy and what not.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1501175]Sadly many Thai gals are "skinny fat." Thin but with very little muscle tone. Reason- Women who are toned get mistaken for ladyboys."Fit" has never really caught on here. That is too bad, as fit gals look great.[/QUOTE]This is kinda what I notice, though nothing like Phillipines from what I've heard. In Phills, I've heard most of the working girls in gogo bars are chubby to fat with little to no muscle in general, but that it wasn't too hard to find the really decked out extremely fit girl too since there were a good amount of professional pole dancers and many girls there did some kind of semi professional dancing growing up or gymnastics.

In Thailand, believe or not, I did find some athletic girls but it was a bit of a pain in the ass. One time I got lucky. I got a girl who was very fit with a good amount of muscle (no, not a ladyboy! LOL) almost like a cross between fitness and lightweight bodybuilder. Other times I would go to the gogo bars and try to find a bar / stage that showed the ass of the girls (many gogo bars have the girls wearing skirts most of the time) and go from there.

Maybe after going through 3 or 4 bars say in Nana Plaze, there might be a few that have a semi athletic butt (spinner body but actually had a TINY bit of muscle on their ass) and there would be a girl that would have an ASS to die for. Though nothing that would be consider like a fitness girl or college gymnast, but not far off either.

When I went to border of Isaan one time, I did notice that girls looked more fit and athletic than say in the South of Thailand or in BKK in general. It could still be a mothers tale but even Thai people say that Isaan guys / girls have a stronger build / more muscle from the farming culture.

But yeah, I do agree with you that it is pretty much skinny-fat with these girls. Kinda on the thin side, soft, and a flat ass.

I know this is not Brazil (looks like Rio may be too pricey to monger) but will go hunting soon in BKK and perhaps try to get pics. Lets see.

One country that has a TON of fit girls is South Korea! WOW. Really toned legs with some muscle. Thick but hard yet feminine at the same time. It was a head turner. For mongering Iv heard Korea sucks though for getting non-pros I've heard its not hard once you live there.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501240]Not sure what is your vomit problem. Is he really trying to "impress" girls, or really just giving a single that he is not too cheap. He certainly is not trying to impress you. I give the bargirls signals that I am not too cheap also, one way or another, and therefore rarely have to discuss the price of a fuck. Then I can pay whatever was fair in my view.

Each guy just finds a method of operation that works for him and provides the satisfactory amount of illusion to get his enjoyment.

I really didn't like the music at Insanity and was bored by it, and I don't have time for discos. Climax was better for me in the past (more suited to my age group). I get girls for sex more directly and more quickly, which is usually MPs or bars. Still like looking at naked girls from time to time (not every day) , when they have great bodies that is.[/QUOTE]Vomit problem is that I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.

I realize very few guys are trying to impress me. Unless they are gay and like big dick. But impressing me would be a waste, because this hansome man only does ladies. Ha ha!

I don't need any illusion. I have spent a lifetime having fun with this and I am rarely disappointed. Because I know the game and play the way that gets me the highest quality for a fair price. I am well known in most places having been here for years. And rarely need a bottle or to tell anyone I am not cheap. When I enter climax the girls line up. Because they know I have cockroaches in my room and they are aroi. Mak mak!

If any of you have been attenders of Suzie Wong for very long time, you might know one of the girls that first started at SW (Suzi Wong) quite a few years ago, called Bo. Tall almost no tits but a good waist to thigh ratio. Always did the lesbian show and had braces for quite some time. Was still at SW this year, after some long disappearances.

The news is that she is now working a rubber plantation in Nong Khai with her girlfriend who is a "Tom". That's right! Those who never believed that any girls did lesbian for real, better think again. I used to take Bo with another girl to do Menage a Trois at my Hotel (usually just ST). Bo would whisper to me which girl she had the hots for, and she had good taste usually (perhaps not always) , but Dtom was a common pairing as she was also into pussy licking and reckoned she was best at it."Nu" was another girl, with spiky hair (not my style as looked more like a Tom) , that was also a real lesbian, and perhaps a some others may have been Bi.

Anyway, I guess its not likely that Bo will be back soon unless gets very desperate for money.

There were a large contingent of girls at SW today and customer attendance was quite good, a bit short of real stunners, as some got BFed before I arrived at 9:20PM. Took the usual contenders, Noi and Knot. Yao had to miss out as I was feeling a bit below par and 3 would have been too much LOL. These 2 girls are not real lesbians and don't even do the lesbian show so they did not do each other, however having two working on you at the same time can be exquisite.

So my advice is same as for Crazy House and DollHouse. Get there early if you want the best lookers. Most girls at SW are a slimish but with puppy fat. Not too many sillies these days. The girls bring too much food to work and don't go for fitness like G. Scrot said. So not very toned. Noo Dee was a toned and very pretty girl, but not sure if she still works there or maybe retired already. I should ring her to check. However she doesn't perform as well for me as some other girls, so no rush.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1501337]Vomit problem is that I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.[/QUOTE]I don't give a damn about labels myself. Some girls are full time WGs and some are part time, when they need a bit of extra money. Some girls would never consider taking money for sex, but that seems to a religious conditioning to me. Many will change their minds if enough money is offered (obviously). Some girls are into taking money for sex, as they need it, but also will not go with just any guy. They have been seen to knock back many until there is one that appeals. Maybe this is rarer than I think but I have seen it, even in the Nana car park.

So I believe a small percentage of girls want it both ways. To have good sex, or at least spend their time with the guy quite tolerable, and to make money as well. There are girls with normal day jobs that are making some sex money on the side. It matters little whether someone chooses to label them as a Prostitute or not. I can be very relaxed about that. Its more important if they are a very nice girl into having some fun, or a dead fish fuck, or a really bad trickster type girl. Are they a good honest worker or not? (when they regard it as work).

There are girls that are too shy to discuss money and state "its up to you". Wish that was available on tap in my country. I have no delusions. I am not trying to pick up young girls for free sex. Many WGs are mouthing off how they hate all the young handsome men who seem to think they should get it for free. LOL.

Even WGs are known very occasionally (or outside the work place) to offer a guy a freebie if they are really into him big time. I have been offered freebies on very rare occasions from WGs or ex-WGs. They can be human too, not just paid robots. There is one ex-WG who wants to be my GF right now (and she does have money and property) , but unfortunately I would rather pay for it elsewhere. She is about 10 years younger than me, which maybe not quite enough for me.

Allow for endless variation in the circumstances of WGs. If you think they are no good, can stay away.

When a girl is very popular, you do need to have some strategy to optimise your chances that she will pick you amongst her options . Not all of us are happy with just any girl.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1501337]I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.[/QUOTE]It is not a question of getting laid. Sure, you can "give them the money [and nothing else] and they will fuck you." And I am sure a certain percentage of those kind of lays will be fine, this is South East Asia after all and not South Beach, but I want more. For me it is about the quality of the lay and maximizing my percentage of those quality lays that matter. So I tend to treat my girls pretty good. I think I get paid back many times over, but to each his own. Whatever rocks your boat.

[QUOTE=Asian Lover Oz; 1501225]B2000 for 1hr massage and HJ only.

In the room the extras are B1000 for CBJ and and B2000 for full service.

Since I was already rearing to go, took the full option.[/QUOTE]Just to understand, this means FS cost B4000 for one hour?

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2; 1501337]Vomit problem is that I get sick watching guys who think these girls are not prostitutes. Give them the money and they will fuck you. It is simple as that. It doesn't take a game plan, strategy or movement of chess pieces. The girls care about your money. If you have it and spend it. You get laid.

I realize very few guys are trying to impress me. Unless they are gay and like big dick. But impressing me would be a waste, because this hansome man only does ladies. Ha ha!

I don't need any illusion. I have spent a lifetime having fun with this and I am rarely disappointed. Because I know the game and play the way that gets me the highest quality for a fair price. I am well known in most places having been here for years. And rarely need a bottle or to tell anyone I am not cheap. When I enter climax the girls line up. Because they know I have cockroaches in my room and they are aroi. Mak mak![/QUOTE]Hello Loversomething. Why you get offended of my writings? Atleast I hope you finish vomiting? I just state what is my exp during 8 years or so in specific Climax. I do most of my hunting outside known pussy areas like Climax ok? I cater more hi so places and do quite some pickups from modern, fresh BKK citygirls wanna just fuck and thats it antad younger but also tad older than me. Cheap Whiskey don't do it for top notche ladies. I am a regular pickup artist in famous venues in BKK known to regular girls beautiful like there is no tomorrow. I only cater girls above 165cm so all the small ones are yours(exceptions are to be had, hehe)..

But like you i can also do lowscale mongering. Sometimes I need to get feet on ground and not only act like keyboardwarrior. Reason simply bcs I need new stars for my photogallery. In Photogallery I would never put out pica from my real stunners (regular fleet babes). I am a rich guy also staying sometimes at Kempinski for approx 20000k a night if money is your issue(just go with the flow)..

But my girls never know, they pic me (mostly) , I pick them (who cares). I dress in Paul Smiths clothes, Prada googlies, an15000bht Diesel jean, Versace shoes(but have many outfits). I do see my pickups trust and care they will have good time. I compensate bigtime but accordingly to known limits + 1000 or so. Everything is deadcheap in LOS. Except from one or two ugly buglies from BG during the years (8 in BKK, MNL, CGK, HKG, PEK, PVG, New york (JFK / EWR) , KUL, HKG etc etc)DP purpouses and daytimefucks only i am happy without vomiting. To me everything is chemistry and i dont negotiate. Girls come and go rather regular but it is far easier beeing "young" and handsooome... Even if girls are freebies i take pride into compensate them as i will never fall from tactics "i looove you big time" or girls wanting relationship. LT sessions only and i do pay them to leave as some dont want to..

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1501363]So I believe a small percentage of girls want it both ways. To have good sex, or at least spend their time with the guy quite tolerable, and to make money as well. There are girls with normal day jobs that are making some sex money on the side. It matters little whether someone chooses to label them as a Prostitute or not. I can be very relaxed about that. Its more important if they are a very nice girl into having some fun, or a dead fish fuck, or a really bad trickster type girl. Are they a good honest worker or not? (when they regard it as work).[/QUOTE]The number of sem-pros as you refer to has declined over the past few years as the economy has improved and salaries have increased. 10 years ago one could go out to the discos and freelance hangouts the last week of the month and they would be filled with gals looking for a few baht to make ends meet that month.

Now, there are fewer. Well there are always the turds in the higher end discos looking for money to buy a new Chanel bag, but frankly, gals that think like that just do not interest me.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1501445]an15000bht Diesel jean, Versace shoes(but have many outfits).[/QUOTE]Dude, if you are going to spend tall coin on some jeans, go out and buy some good Japanese raw selvedge denim. Don't be seen in pre-washed jeans. Create your own fades. I ditched Diesel years ago. Yeah, new raw is a pain to break in, but after you will have the best fitting and best looking jeans you have ever had.

And if you want to buy local, there are several fantastic small brands here in Thailand (that use Japanese selvedge) and lots of shops selling Japanese brands. Try 'them out, you will love them, and no one will ever call you a douchebag. Peace.

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1501445]Hello Loversomething. Why you get offended of my writings? Atleast I hope you finish vomiting? I just state what is my exp during 8 years or so in specific Climax. I do most of my hunting outside known pussy areas like Climax ok? I cater more hi so places and do quite some pickups from modern, fresh BKK citygirls want to just fuck and thats it antad younger but also tad older than me. Cheap Whiskey don't do it for top notche ladies. I am a regular pickup artist in famous venues in BKK known to regular girls beautiful like there is no tomorrow. I only cater girls above 165cm so all the small ones are yours (exceptions are to be had, hehe).

But like you I can also do lowscale mongering. Sometimes I need to get feet on ground and not only act like keyboardwarrior. Reason simply bcs I need new stars for my photogallery. In Photogallery I would never put out pica from my real stunners (regular fleet babes). I am a rich guy also staying sometimes at Kempinski for approx 20000k a night if money is your issue (just go with the flow).

But my girls never know, they pic me (mostly) , I pick them (who cares). I dress in Paul Smiths clothes, Prada googlies, an15000bht Diesel jean, Versace shoes (but have many outfits). I do see my pickups trust and care they will have good time. I compensate bigtime but accordingly to known limits + 1000 or so. Everything is deadcheap in LOS. Except from one or two ugly buglies from BG during the years (8 in BKK, MNL, CGK, HKG, PEK, PVG, New york (JFK / EWR) , KUL, HKG etc etc) DP purpouses and daytimefucks only I am happy without vomiting. To me everything is chemistry and I don't negotiate. Girls come and go rather regular but it is far easier beeing "young" and handsooome. Even if girls are freebies I take pride into compensate them as I will never fall from tactics "I looove you big time" or girls wanting relationship. LT sessions only and I do pay them to leave as some don't want to.[/QUOTE]"Lowscale mongering".... who said that? I think you are making assumptions which usually turn out to be wrong. My girls usually come from the area of Siam Paragon / Central, having just dabbled in Prada, Diesel and Versace. Hoping I won't vomit. But alas, also hoping to see and abuse my cockroaches. I am certainly not offended by your writings. I just think you are making this more complicated than it needs to be. Simplicity is the saviour of all mankind. Last night I introduced my special purpose to the cutest 20 year old I have seen in years. Freebie from University in BKK where I am professor of Cockology. If I offered her money she would be highly offended. But she did like the high end steak. She doesn't drink and says she likes me because I don't drink. Lowscale / highscale. Who really knows? I think I saw a "highscale" last week with some fresh Somtam on her teeth sloshing it down with Sang Som.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1501454]Dude, if you are going to spend tall coin on some jeans, go out and buy some good Japanese raw selvedge denim. Don't be seen in pre-washed jeans. Create your own fades. I ditched Diesel years ago. Yeah, new raw is a pain to break in, but after you will have the best fitting and best looking jeans you have ever had.

And if you want to buy local, there are several fantastic small brands here in Thailand (that use Japanese selvedge) and lots of shops selling Japanese brands. Try 'them out, you will love them, and no one will ever call you a douchebag. Peace.[/QUOTE]This is really a beautiful post from a person who knows real jeans. My heart soars.

[url]http://www.google.co.th/imgres?imgurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/LK9Q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys/image.png&imgrefurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/LK9Q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys&h=300&w=400&sz=180&tbnid=cGRzZycJQdBk2M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__Vqqqz52jL5tgybm2FAvWFkcUw9U=&docid=PeUaTy0nZ29s4M&sa=X&ei=YLGWUtHuE8eCiQesrYGgCA&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ9QEwBA[/url]

[quote=lover boy #2; 1501462]

[url]http://www.google.co.th/imgres?imgurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/lk9q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys/image.png&imgrefurl=http://memecrunch.com/meme/lk9q/two-wild-and-crazy-guys&h=300&w=400&sz=180&tbnid=cgrzzycjqdbk2m:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__vqqqz52jl5tgybm2favwfkcuw9u=&docid=peuaty0nz29s4m&sa=x&ei=ylgwuthue8eciqesryggca&sqi=2&ved=0cdiq9qewba[/url][/quote]oh boy, do i ever. suave, debonair, great fashion sense and a very sophisticated approach to women. i should find some old snl and watch these guys in action so i can be up to speed the moment i step off the plane.

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2;1501460]This is really a beautiful post from a person who knows real jeans. My heart soars.[/QUOTE]Thanks man. Should we tell 'them not to wash those jeans for at least six months? Might blow their minds.

[quote=paul kausch;1501473]oh boy, do i ever. suave, debonair, great fashion sense and a very sophisticated approach to women. i should find some old snl and watch these guys in action so i can be up to speed the moment i step off the plane.[/quote]i think they would be some excellent training videos for newbies.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1501476]I think they would be some excellent training videos for newbies.[/QUOTE]Great minds think alike!

[url]http://www.hulu.com/watch/19591[/url]

Watch carefully, take notes and with a little practice you could pull off a reasonable imitation of these guys.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1501480]Great minds think alike![/QUOTE]Happy Gobble Gobble! What is Love (SNL) ?

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-0R-UVBXLM[/url]

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1501484]Happy Gobble Gobble! What is Love.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-0R-UVBXLM[/url][/QUOTE]It's nice to see some useful posts appearing on the forum for a change.

Guys,

Was hoping to return to Bangkok from Pattaya. I know that if things go "tits up" in Bangkok that would not prevent getting to the airport from Pattaya. But if your in Bangkok at the time, I guess it could get difficult getting to the airport.

The problem is I don't know the geography well enough. Are the protesters currently in any farang monger areas? What are the chances they could stop traffic to airport. Are they even in an area that would allow them to do that?

I guess what I would like to know is how likely is it I would regret returning to Bangkok instead of just staying in Pattaya. (I definitely prefer Bangkok P4P over Pattaya. But don't want to get trapped there.).

I have heard that having ones hair cut in Thailand can be a more sensual experience than back home; anyone know where in Bangkok or Pattaya for that matter I can experience a nice hair cut experience?

[QUOTE=Monopoly; 1501496]Guys,

Was hoping to return to Bangkok from Pattaya. I know that if things go "tits up" in Bangkok that would not prevent getting to the airport from Pattaya. But if your in Bangkok at the time, I guess it could get difficult getting to the airport.[/QUOTE]I am in Sukhumvit Soi 19. Its close to Cowboy and not far from both BTS and MRT. I can get to Massage places easily. I am have seen any sign of demonstrations right here.

Ploenchit rode was cut of by demonstration today, close to Siam central exchange station. Motorcycle simply took a detour to Rama IV. No problem. Still got back to Sukhumvit 19 quickly enough.

There are traffic jams. Taxi may not be the best choice. Use BTS or MRT where possible, or motorcycle for very short trips in back Sois, or when traffic is hell.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1501593]I have heard that having ones hair cut in Thailand can be a more sensual experience than back home; anyone know where in Bangkok or Pattaya for that matter I can experience a nice hair cut experience?[/QUOTE]Do yourself a favour. There is little reason to mix a haircut with sex, other than novelty value, if you want a good haircut and good sex. Get the haircut first and then go to Cherry, Snow White, etc. Just my opinion. What out for ladyboy hairdressers as well.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501614]I am in Sukhumvit Soi 19. Its close to Cowboy and not far from both BTS and MRT. I can get to Massage places easily. I am have seen any sign of demonstrations right here.

Ploenchit rode was cut of by demonstration today, close to Siam central exchange station. Motorcycle simply took a detour to Rama IV. No problem. Still got back to Sukhumvit 19 quickly enough.

There are traffic jams. Taxi may not be the best choice. Use BTS or MRT where possible, or motorcycle for very short trips in back Sois, or when traffic is hell.[/QUOTE]Lets face it. Until the demonstrators close the airports and close the route into Sukhumvit most tourists will not see any problems unless they try to get to the riverside (expensive) hotels. It will take a lot of action to close Soi Cowboy and Nana and this will be counterproductive to tourism. Already the Baht has weakened a few percentage points. Would the FLs would.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1501616]Do yourself a favour. There is little reason to mix a haircut with sex, other than novelty value, if you want a good haircut and good sex. Get the haircut first and then go to Cherry, Snow White, etc. Just my opinion. What out for ladyboy hairdressers as well.[/QUOTE]I am bad at Soi numbers but there is a place on Soi 11 where you can get a hair cut and a trip up-stairs to FS. My first thing o / a in BKK is a haircut, manicure and massage. Way to go.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1501480]Great minds think alike!

[url]http://www.hulu.com/watch/19591[/url]

Watch carefully, take notes and with a little practice you could pull off a reasonable imitation of these guys.[/QUOTE]If you are in America, then the watch will be fun. If you are in Thailand. No hulu. The sidewalks are hell here. But no hulu. Wahwahwah!

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1501486]It's nice to see some useful posts appearing on the forum for a change.[/QUOTE]Actually its very disappointing right now, how few posts have some useful info on the topic where to find some great ladies for sex. Specific girl reports or failing that at least a sex venue report. Most of the rest its padding with little value really. I guess very few people are here in Thailand and getting sex, or don't have any useful info they want to share. What I have reported is limited somewhat by my infrequent mongering opportunities. Surely someone else is finding some good girls somewhere.

I other night I decided to try a cutie called Phrao at Doll House, despite suspecting she would be suspect in bed (lacking experience) , as she has nice lips and nice tits. In the end wasn't much fun as although she spread her legs very nicely and let me finger her pussy, she didn't like the DATY to get her too worked up, and did not move with it at all during sex. I was not very satisfied, and learnt my lesson.

Returned to the bar and since Noi's expected customer booking was not able to show, I could then take Noi for the usual super GFE session. Better to stick to known super girls, instead of taking a punt on a suspect girl. To me Noi's body is hotter than all girls in Suzi Wong and in Crazy House. Some won't see it that way as the tits are not large, but the ass is unbeatable.

Bar girls can range fabulous to crap, merely depending on making the right choice.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1501704]Actually its very disappointing right now, how few posts have some useful info on the topic where to find some great ladies for sex. Specific girl reports or failing that at least a sex venue report. Most of the rest its padding with little value really. I guess very few people are here in Thailand and getting sex, or don't have any useful info they want to share. What I have reported is limited somewhat by my infrequent mongering opportunities. Surely someone else is finding some good girls somewhere.[/QUOTE]I've noticed the decline in posts with good info on good ladies. As you suggest we're probably at the end of a slow period. I'm off for BKK next Tuesday. After I return home I'll be posting a number of reports about my trip, so for a change I'll be writing something worth reading, perhaps. ;)

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1500648]I think we're all aware there are two prices in Bangkok: one for farangs, one for Thais. This is true for sex; it is also true for entry into the National Palace.[/QUOTE]This is NOT true for sex, except at a few select soapies. If you go to 300-500 baht hookers at Chinatown or Sanam Luang, they'll go with you for 300-500 baht. If a Thai guy approaches a Sukhumwit skank (not that many would) , she'll ask for 1500-2000 and settle on 800-1200, same as she would for you or me.

Of course, many girls will _try_ charging a sex tourist newbie more than they would a Thai guy or a Thai-speaking sexpat, but in the end most will come down to the going rate. If you're clueless and horny, they'll charge you anything they can get away with, whether you're Farang or Thai. If you're unaware of the going rate or unwilling to negotiate, you'll get charged more. I occasionally monger at Thai-oriented venues, and once talked to a young Thai guy in the elevator of a ST hotel and was surprised he paid 200 baht _more_ than me.

The price depends first and foremost on the venue, then on the girls' popularity within a narrow range.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1501712]This is NOT true for sex, except at a few select soapies.[/QUOTE]I was commenting on venues tourists are likely to visit and the Thai-centric soapies along Ratchada, of which Colonzi 2 is the only one I know of that doesn't have a farang surcharge. You are certainly right about the Sukhumvit oilies. Thai men wouldn't visit one so they can't be used as examples to support my premise. I also think a factor affecting prices is that farang are often more sexually demanding. (Read Natty Bumpo's advisory regarding the Thai bars he recently visited.) However, it is interesting that some sex workers who cater to farangs say they will not accept Thai men as customers. Not quite sure what to make of that. I know a guy who reads Thai. He visited a venue with a lower posted price written in Thai, read the Thai language poster to the admissions person and was allowed in for the lower price. You're also correct to point out that many visitors are not skilled negotiators and pay unnecessarily high prices.

Bottom line, I think you're mostly right and I'm mostly wrong.

Ok I have been to SC a couple of times and soon its time for next trip!

I always visit 3 clubs and thats Baccara, Suziewong and Dollhouse.

Why? I have heard and read many times that most of you mongers think these clubs are the top 3 at Cowboy.

But if I want to try a 4th club in SC what club you guys think is the nr 4 in SC?

Or is it time to try Nana instead?

I have hear / read the girls at Nana are not as slim and good looking as in SC?

What do you pros think?

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1501712]This is NOT true for sex, except at a few select soapies. If you go to 300-500 baht hookers at Chinatown or Sanam Luang, they'll go with you for 300-500 baht. If a Thai guy approaches a Sukhumwit skank (not that many would) , she'll ask for 1500-2000 and settle on 800-1200, same as she would for you or me.

Of course, many girls will _try_ charging a sex tourist newbie more than they would a Thai guy or a Thai-speaking sexpat, but in the end most will come down to the going rate. If you're clueless and horny, they'll charge you anything they can get away with, whether you're Farang or Thai. If you're unaware of the going rate or unwilling to negotiate, you'll get charged more. I occasionally monger at Thai-oriented venues, and once talked to a young Thai guy in the elevator of a ST hotel and was surprised he paid 200 baht _more_ than me.

The price depends first and foremost on the venue, then on the girls' popularity within a narrow range.[/QUOTE]The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?

Also I have had an arthritis flare up that is ruining my mongering activity does anyone know where I could go to get a cortisone shot in my knee here in Thailand as I am feeling fairly miserable right now.

Much thanks again.

Johnnie

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1501790]The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?

Also I have had an arthritis flare up that is ruining my mongering activity does anyone know where I could go to get a cortisone shot in my knee here in Thailand as I am feeling fairly miserable right now.

Much thanks again.

Johnnie[/QUOTE]Bumrungrad Hospital is the place to go for your injection, all English speaking doctors and top service.

[QUOTE=Puttex; 1501784]Ok I have been to SC a couple of times and soon its time for next trip!

I always visit 3 clubs and thats Baccara, Suziewong and Dollhouse.

Why? I have heard and read many times that most of you mongers think these clubs are the top 3 at Cowboy.

But if I want to try a 4th club in SC what club you guys think is the nr 4 in SC?

Or is it time to try Nana instead?

I have hear / read the girls at Nana are not as slim and good looking as in SC?

What do you pros think?[/QUOTE]I think you want to have a look in Crazy House round the corner in Soi 23. To me the girls are better looking (more natural looking) than Baccara. I don't know if they perform well though. I only took one girl from there who was a raw newbie for training up a bit.

Nana has some girls with great bodies but plain faces. The number with a very pretty face is very limited at any venue. You should look in Rainbow, Rainbow 4, and Mercury and see for yourself. Finding great lookers without attitude in Nana is a tougher. You find more of the girls that want to do extremely short time for too much money. Many of the hot girls are used to doing 20 min STs with Japanese customers, so don't want me for a 2 hour ST. Some Baccara girls may be like this too. I don't know.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo; 1501790]The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?

Also I have had an arthritis flare up that is ruining my mongering activity does anyone know where I could go to get a cortisone shot in my knee here in Thailand as I am feeling fairly miserable right now.

Much thanks again.

Johnnie[/QUOTE]I think Samitvej Srinakarin will be your best option. The hospital is specialized on Bone function (Orthopedics). I have a friend; she have knee problem and having good service from here. It is on Srinakarin road, any cabbie should know.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501864]. To me the girls are better looking (more natural looking) than Baccara.

Nana has some girls with great bodies but plain faces. The number with a very pretty face is very little.

You find more of the girls that want to do extremely short time for too much money. Many of the hot girls are used to doing 20 min STs with Japanese customers, so don't want me for a 2 hour ST.[/QUOTE]What is 'more natural? ' I have this penchant for the gamin look, cheeky face and seriously short hair cut with fringe, perky nose and high up boobs.

We each have different tastes and as Thai girls get fatter (sorry to be cruel but size 6 is disappearing) I increasingly go for the petite, small bobbed, tight waisted ladies.

And I guess that limits the field. Since I am not in to PSE unless the girl has adequate English, she will be a non-starter

*Watch 90 percent of last nights' romances at breakfast. They eat in sullen silence. He "How soon can I pay her off and get rid of her." She "How soon can O get my money off and report back to the girls in the bar?"

Just a quick report on this place that is not often mentioned. It is on Thonglor and any taxi driver will know. I ended there after a fruitless time at Insanity and soi cowboy that was closed already. There are many girls lined up and few are attractive. Of course a fat one kept winking at me, yeah rigth. Price started at 3000 to which I reacted talking bullshit with the driver. After 5 minutes dropped to 2500 and that caused some more head shooking by me. Finally the 2000 price came with the request of not divulging it, that I took up as it was my first night. Papasan by all means wanted a 100 tip, gave me back the 2000 as I did not wanted to, eventually I did not without soms mutual banter. The girl was accomodating enough and should have stayed 2 or 3 hours but I did even tried to get that because I needed to sleep.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1501864]I think you want to have a look in Crazy House round the corner in Soi 23. To me the girls are better looking (more natural looking) than Baccara. I don't know if they perform well though. I only took one girl from there who was a raw newbie for training up a bit.

Nana has some girls with great bodies but plain faces. The number with a very pretty face is very limited at any venue. You should look in Rainbow, Rainbow 4, and Mercury and see for yourself. Finding great lookers without attitude in Nana is a tougher. You find more of the girls that want to do extremely short time for too much money. Many of the hot girls are used to doing 20 min STs with Japanese customers, so don't want me for a 2 hour ST. Some Baccara girls may be like this too. I don't know.[/QUOTE]Was at CH last night. Maybe 40 girls of which I would say 10 were fairly nice. But have had 2 friends tell me that they were asked for 3, 000 baht st to which they said, are you crazy but the girls did not budge. This place has become very popular very quickly but I hope they don't think they can raise the standard fee to 3, 000 because if they do and get away with it other gg's will follow eventually.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1501935]What is 'more natural? ' I have this penchant for the gamin look, cheeky face and seriously short hair cut with fringe, perky nose and high up boobs.

We each have different tastes and as Thai girls get fatter (sorry to be cruel but size 6 is disappearing) I increasingly go for the petite, small bobbed, tight waisted ladies.

And I guess that limits the field. Since I am not in to PSE unless the girl has adequate English, she will be a non-starter[/QUOTE]My favourite bargirl right now would be perfect for you if she got a haircut LOL.

Well your English is a bit weird probably screwed by the forum auto software. I have no clue what is a gamin look. I looked it up and perhaps you intended "gamine" look of famous actress Audrey Hepburn. I suppose your small "bobbed" is small boobs or is this still referring to the hair? Your taste is not that weird except for requiring the short haircut. All my girls have long hair.

I am fortunate that I don't need a girl that can speak English even in the slightest. When I started in Thailand 22 years ago, many girls did not speak much English so I was learning Thai by spending time with Thai girls with almost no English often 24 hours a day.

"Since I am not into PSE unless the girl has adequate English" looks like your punctuation is completely haywire too as these two things seem unconnected. You really should take a little more care with posts. We all have errors creeping in, but you could look a bit silly. Try rereading your posts immediately after posting and fix up a few things.

The debate on the good looking girls is quite interesting.

Many mentions some gogo's at NEP have the best looking (underline: nice looking, not necessarily best performers as we know)

Spending some time at the rails of the two bars in the short alley opening into NEP will give a great parade of the girls BEFORE they get on duty.

I have see quite some beauties (in a way) inside the bars but seldom seen a stunner walking in.

Do they have a secret entrance? LOL

It is quite obivous thy don't, and that can only mean that they enter as nice and ordinary girls and transforms themselves into stunning girls.

[quote=drronin;1502058]was at ch last night. maybe 40 girls of which i would say 10 were fairly nice. but have had 2 friends tell me that they were asked for 3, 000 baht st to which they said, are you crazy but the girls did not budge. this place has become very popular very quickly but i hope they don't think they can raise the standard fee to 3, 000 because if they do and get away with it other gg's will follow eventually.[/quote]okay i did not know that. i have only taken one girl and that was lt booking, more than once. she wasn't that brilliant at anything, being very much a newbie, but was willing to learn and improved a lot with coaching. i probably felt sorry for her, but she did have a nice face, nice ass, and nice character. very sweet, possibly abnormal for crazy house. maybe the hotter girls there are finding guys that will pay the 3k and that is why they don't need to budge. i would not like to agree to such a figure. one doesn't even know if they are any good, so might not be worth even 2k.

my super figure slim girl at dollhouse (she is the only one of a kind) is a lot cheaper than that and is so good on the bed, that i simply have to keep going back. bfed her today before she got up to dance even once. the mama-san was a little peeved that i am stealing her girl with the best ass immediately. i never had to negotiate a price with her from memory, or maybe she mentioned an amount the very first time, i can't really remember for sure.

maybe crazy house is best just for a look rather than actually taking a girl.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1502067]Do they have a secret entrance? LOL

It is quite obivous thy don't, and that can only mean that they enter as nice and ordinary girls and transforms themselves into stunning girls.[/QUOTE]A few transform themselves somewhat but really the stunners are very scarce. Many guys are seeing a very young girl with a good body nearly naked and calling her a stunner. They forgot to notice the face was just plain Jane. When you look at the girls entering they have clothes on and just the face is showing properly.

Lets be honest, there are very few stunners and they don't last. I believed that Suzi Wong had just one stunning girl that guys were falling over each other to get to. Yet to Thai people she is not stunning as skin is a bit too brown. Her performance on the bed is quite ordinary or less. Yet several guys are wanting to marry her. Probably gone now.

Many say that Baccara has stunners, but I go in there and fail to see those stunners. I see a lot of fake doll faces. I saw some pretty girls spoiled by silly cones. I did see a very pretty faced girl go into Shark today and another very pretty face Aom sitting outside at Long Gun. I think their are the odd "stunners" around but really not many.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1501935]What is 'more natural? '[/QUOTE]I thought that was obvious to anyone been around here."More natural" means lacking a nose job, lacking a tit job, having real hair, and generally lacking surgical adjustments except for maybe a bit of makeup.

The percentage of girls in Crazy House with silicones or nose job is not that high. I like to look at them dance naked.
In Baccara, so many are fake, that I largely don't like to look at them, and they tend to jiggle around stupidly as well where Crazy House girls dance better.

Each to their own. I know there are many guys around that like Baccara and the Japanese are picking girls so fake looking that they look like ladyboys.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1502073]When you look at the girls entering they have clothes on and just the face is showing properly.[/QUOTE]And when you see most of the girls from Cowboy in the daylight. Yesh! Horror show!

What's itlike getting around on the roads, BTS? With the protestors?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1502087]And when you see most of the girls from Cowboy in the daylight. Yesh! Horror show![/QUOTE]To me the horror show is drunk girls waiting to go home or buy food at 3am.

[QUOTE=TConor;1502148]What's itlike getting around on the roads, BTS? With the protestors?[/QUOTE]Yes some disruption to taxi rides if you have luggage. Try to use BTS or motorcycle more than usual when not much luggage. BTS can be sardine tin stuff at peak times though.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1502189]To me the horror show is drunk girls waiting to go home or buy food at 3am.[/QUOTE]Actually that is more a kind of a squallid show. I'm sure in many cSeses an opportunist thai guy gets a ddrunken freebie.

Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).

I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.

No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.

Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS!

[QUOTE=TConor;1502148]What's itlike getting around on the roads, BTS? With the protestors?[/QUOTE]No problem

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1502373]No problem[/QUOTE]So, to answer the question, is it safe to visit Bangkok at this time? Absolutely!

Don't cancel or postpone your trip!

At this point in time the protests are taking place well away from most areas popular with foreigners. Siam Square, Sukhumvit Road and Silom Road are all free of protesters. There has been the odd assembly around the Asoke skytrain station at lunch time but lasts no more than an hour.

The exception is the protesters' main occupation site at and around Democracy Monument which is close to Khao San Road. It remains business as usual at Khao San with everywhere open and operating as per normal. I imagine, however, that it might not be that easy to get a taxi from other parts of town to Khao San Road. Taxi drivers may be reluctant to venture to the area with some roads in the area closed as they are occupied by protesters, and a few roadblocks / checkpoints in place. If you're on a budget, it mightn't be a bad idea to consider staying in one of the other areas popular with budget travellers such as Soi Kasemsan 1, next to the National Stadium skytrain station where there are a handful of guesthouses.

For all visitors to Bangkok, it would be wise to avoid any protest groups or areas, should you happen to come across them. They aren't looking for trouble and foreigners will largely be invisible to them, but should the situation escalate with clashes between opposing groups then it could become a situation best avoided.

Come to Bangkok and you'll have a great time!

[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1502368]Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).

I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.

No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.

Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS![/QUOTE]I usually used Aeon Bank ATM in Terminal 21 lower level or at MBK 2nd floor.

Also sometime your Bank's debit card put a hold, if the see fund withdrawn from ATM that is out of you country.

[QUOTE=JesseJames;1502373]No problem[/QUOTE]As of 5:30 pm London time, reports coming in from Bangkok. Do not sound promising. Very very troubling.

[QUOTE=Western787;1502426]As of 5:30 pm London time, reports coming in from Bangkok. Do not sound promising. Very very troubling.[/QUOTE]Really? The last reports I read said there were significant drops in the number of protesters who continued to be peaceful. The US State Department was sending me daily updates which summarized the events and said there was no problem traveling to Thailand. As of a few days ago they stopped sending the updates. Apparently they don't think the situation is very serious.

[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1502368]Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).

I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.

No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.

Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS![/QUOTE]Sorry, what is the purpose of your posting? Recently I had blocked cards, broken or lost important items, etc but did not report, check again the purpose of the forum.

[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1502368]Woops. I'm in Bangkok and my bank cards (both maestro) don't seem to work in any of the machines (even those that say that they accept maestro).

I'm not trying to draw above daily amounts either.

No panic at the moment. My hotel is pre paid for a few days and I had some cash to convert. But I was rather hoping to party a bit tonight and tomorrow.

Instead I am catching up on my work and sleep until I know I can replenish my cash reserves. Not the best way to spend one's first night in the LOS![/QUOTE]It is only very obliquely related to the theme of this forum, but of course ready access to money is one of the elements in our hobby. After all the subtitle of this forum is "Money is the greatest aphrodisiac".

I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore. One is advised to use credit cards. Nevertheless if you ask it nicely, they can undo this blockage, so perhaps you can speak to your friendly banker or send them a secure email through the internet banking app.

Hi Wolvenvacht. Appreciated it was a bit tangential. But then there are lots of tangential posts on this forum!

Indeed my cards are European and I suspected that that might have been the case and will have to get on the case tomorrow or Monday.

So back to the main topic:

In the meantime I went Window shopping in Nana Plaza. Elegant Angels had the best floor shows (a bit Parisian 1930s Chic). Though Cascade on the top floor had some hot. But very pushy. Women (although some. Actually the hottest ones.were almost certainly not women). I realised I couldn't afford bar fines let alone those girls asking prices this weekend so cruised up and down the street outside and picked up this fine young girl (Tike) for an hour of intimate fun back at my place. Damage 1k Baht plus a tip. She was one of the shy ones on the block. (relatively) demurely dressed, sitting on water barrel, not really making lots of eye contact. Until I asked if she was looking for business. But she was a very good provider. Alternating between a (very) good blow job and a hand job with deep kissing. Every time I said go slower she did. So no clock watcher.

So much for the experiences of people who say the girls outside Nana Plaza won't go anywhere for less than 2-3K. Photos to follow.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1502456]It is only very obliquely related to the theme of this forum, but of course ready access to money is one of the elements in our hobby. After all the subtitle of this forum is "Money is the greatest aphrodisiac".

I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore. One is advised to use credit cards. Nevertheless if you ask it nicely, they can undo this blockage, so perhaps you can speak to your friendly banker or send them a secure email through the internet banking app.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1502456]I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore.[/QUOTE]Reference? I have european debit cards and they work perfectly all over the world, expecially for atm withdrawal s. Nobody is obliged yet to use a credit card for withdrawals and take the related extra fees.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1502456]I don't know where you hail from, but since about a year European Banks have blocked debit cards for extra-European transactions. In other words: outside of Europe they will not work anymore. One is advised to use credit cards. Nevertheless if you ask it nicely, they can undo this blockage, so perhaps you can speak to your friendly banker or send them a secure email through the internet banking app.[/QUOTE]Maybe you hail from an obscure part of Europe but as far as UK banks are concerned one word. Nonsense. I have been using my debit card regularly over the last month to draw up to my daily limit.

My US Debit card works equally well.

I do inform both banks that I am travelling and not to block the access.

I have never been told to use a credit card as a generalisation. But some cards do not add as much transaction cards as others.

So if you are Brit. Don't worry.

[QUOTE=Ripple67; 1502477]Hi Wolvenvacht. Appreciated it was a bit tangential. Though Cascade on the top floor had some hot. But very pushy. Women (although some. Actually the hottest ones. Were almost certainly not women).

So much for the experiences of people who say the girls outside Nana Plaza won't go anywhere for less than 2-3K. Photos to follow.[/QUOTE]Cascade has only LB's at work, not some.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1502442]Really? The last reports I read said there were significant drops in the number of protesters who continued to be peaceful. The US State Department was sending me daily updates which summarized the events and said there was no problem traveling to Thailand. As of a few days ago they stopped sending the updates. Apparently they don't think the situation is very serious.[/QUOTE]Paul,

I live in east Bangkok near where the shooting occurred yesterday & it is a heavy atmosphere, ambulances & sirens through the night. As well as the US travel info keep an eye on the UK and Australian travel advice. The latter often seem to be the fastest off the mark. I have been here through three coups & all the trouble since 2006 & it is now getting bad with both competing groups assembling en masse. The reality is this is now 2 countries not one and neither side can tolerate being governed by the other.

[QUOTE=Coconut8888; 1502394]So, to answer the question, is it safe to visit Bangkok at this time? Absolutely!

Don't cancel or postpone your trip!

Come to Bangkok and you'll have a great time![/QUOTE]Fewer tourist means more fun!

[QUOTE=Georgek;1502522]Paul I live in east Bangkok near where the shooting occurred yesterday & it is a heavy atmosphere, ambulances & sirens through the night. As well as the US travel info keep an eye on the UK and Australian travel advice. The latter often seem to be the fastest off the mark. I have been here through three coups & all the trouble since 2006 & it is now getting bad with both competing groups assembling en masse. The reality is this is now 2 countries not one and neither side can tolerate being governed by the other.[/QUOTE]The shooting is terrible.

The last news reports I read prior to my post did not mention a shooting, just dwindling numbers of protesters. Since my post I have read reports about the shooting. It will be interesting to see what the State Dept recommends in their next email; however, I take their emails with a grain of salt. Thank you for the advice to follow the UK and Australian travel alerts. Regardless, I'm not changing my travel plans; and of course I won't be heartbroken if the airport shuts down and I have to extend my stay for reasons beyond my control. It would be interesting to find myself in the middle of a story that Graham Greene could have written. Notice I write interesting, not fun. While I certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of a violent protest Bangkok is a big city and it should be possible to stay out of harms way.

I think you are correct about there being two countries. It's a problem when you have an elite old guard trying to hang on to power, a rising middle class that wants a stable country and healthy economy, and a majority of poor, uneducated people who support a populist party that gains their support by gives them a share of the spoils. No matter how many elections are held the current government, perhaps in a slightly different form will get re-elected. The opposition knows this, and the alternative is a military junta or a government appointed by the military. What a mess.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1502532]The shooting is terrible.

The last news reports I read prior to my post did not mention a shooting, just dwindling numbers of protesters. Since my post I have read reports about the shooting. It will be interesting to see what the State Dept recommends in their next email; however, I take their emails with a grain of salt. Thank you for the advice to follow the UK and Australian travel alerts. Regardless, I'm not changing my travel plans; and of course I won't be heartbroken if the airport shuts down and I have to extend my stay for reasons beyond my control. It would be interesting to find myself in the middle of a story that Graham Greene could have written. Notice I write interesting, not fun. While I certainly don't want to get caught in the middle of a violent protest Bangkok is a big city and it should be possible to stay out of harms way.

I think you are correct about there being two countries. It's a problem when you have an elite old guard trying to hang on to power, a rising middle class that wants a stable country and healthy economy, and a majority of poor, uneducated people who support a populist party that gains their support by gives them a share of the spoils. No matter how many elections are held the current government, perhaps in a slightly different form will get re-elected. The opposition knows this, and the alternative is a military junta or a government appointed by the military. What a mess.[/QUOTE]Well I think the best strategy not to become a Dead American is indeed to be a Quiet American.

The WSJ intimated that the timing of the protests may be linked to an imminent eminent death. That actually explains a lot & of course could be the catalyst for a real no holds confrontation.

Whilst the chances of a farang getting killed are statistically low I found the intimidating atmosphere across a lot of the city v unpleasant last time. My part of town contains the main entrée point for reds from the east & lower N East to enter the city and sometimes this vast surge of people literally clogs up all the roads around where I live for hours. I exited to Chiang Mai for several months last time to get away from it. That of course is the best alternative. Go to a solidly red or yellow area and life proceeds as per usual except there are less tourists. I have done some long recent trips around the North East and found it delightful, just like the Thailand I remembered from 28 years ago. Trouble in Bangkok can be a great incentive to get out and about.

Sukhumvit is quieter than usual and there is no evidence of any protestors.

Do stay away. We don't want the scaremongers frightening off the ladies.

The demonstrations & deaths are currently focussed in specific areas where the protesters are concentrated.

My area of east Sukhumvit is normal but 2 miles away last night they were shooting & killing each other as news reports show.

While certainly nobody wants scaremongers, also some of us don't want dead mongers either.

Anybody who pretends they know how this will end and when it will end is not smart but dumb.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1502058]Was at CH last night. Maybe 40 girls of which I would say 10 were fairly nice. But have had 2 friends tell me that they were asked for 3, 000 baht st to which they said, are you crazy but the girls did not budge. This place has become very popular very quickly but I hope they don't think they can raise the standard fee to 3, 000 because if they do and get away with it other gg's will follow eventually.[/QUOTE]I paid less than 3K for ST with Min. The mamasan was a bit irritating and possibly trying to tell me the girl rates but I was not paying attention. She also wanted to mention how much was on my drink bill. Again, I am ignoring her. It doesn't seem to be her business. She did not want to add the 700 Baht BF to the bill. Appears that they are not trusting the customers in this bar at all.

Min is not a typical bargirl. Seems to be 100% honest and trustworthy, despite the myth that all bargirls are liars and cheats. Min warned me that some girls in the bar are indeed trying to cheat the customer. So if the girl tries to get you to pay up front, it could mean she has been ripped off by customers refusing to pay for the sex, or could mean she is a cheat and will run away at the first possible opportunity. Certain nationalities of customers have bad reputations for disputing the bill (bad memories or a culture thing?) , and others for ripping off the girl. Guys from the USA enjoy the very best reputation (I am not from there) for fairness, honesty and avoiding foul language. I could practise my American accent. I can even speak Thai with a funny American like accent LOL. Not sure if Americans can be picked by the way they dress, but its wise not to dress too sloppy and make sure you are clean. Sweaty singlets is not a good look. Typically Singaporeans, Koreans, and Japanese can be picked by dress style I am told.

Today peaceful protest in Siam by the BTS Siam Paragon Closed and some stores around.

But all MP open but quite from reports.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1501593]I have heard that having ones hair cut in Thailand can be a more sensual experience than back home; anyone know where in Bangkok or Pattaya for that matter I can experience a nice hair cut experience?[/QUOTE]Yeah very sensual, your choices are to go to a ladies salon, take all the giggling and be overcharged 150 bath, or go a barber shop often staffed by gays. Thailand is not Vietnam or China.

Gullivers dead.

Beer Garden quiet and delightful gamine (new spelling (!) for the pedantic) was happy to negotiate Baht 500 ST inc DFK, BJWO and FS. Left after a couple of hours of GFE sex.

Other bars quiet, Hilary 2 overstocked with eager ladies and other bars have ladies playing each other at pool.

Some hotels reporting (unnecessary) cancellations.

More for me for tenet week

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1502481]Reference? I have european debit cards and they work perfectly all over the world, expecially for atm withdrawal s. Nobody is obliged yet to use a credit card for withdrawals and take the related extra fees.[/QUOTE]Reference? My own experience and advisories from ALL my banks in Belgium. I was told by one of these banks similar measures were taken by other European countries as well.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1502629]Reference? My own experience and advisories from ALL my banks in Belgium. I was told by one of these banks similar measures were taken by other European countries as well.[/QUOTE]You was told equine manure.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1502592]I paid less than 3K for ST with Min.[/QUOTE]How much did you pay?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1502629]Reference? My own experience and advisories from ALL my banks in Belgium. I was told by one of these banks similar measures were taken by other European countries as well.[/QUOTE]That it explains it all! No surprise given the country has hardly got a Government.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1502639]How much did you pay?[/QUOTE]Baht 2, 999. Does it matter?

I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.

Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.

My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1502639]How much did you pay?[/QUOTE]If I wanted to state how much, I would have written it. I normally avoid stating prices mainly because I don't want price discussions. My mongering experiences are not price focussed. The girl knows me so price was not discussed.

Anyway Amjeck, you can be sure this place is not for you. Its way out of your price range. I should not be discussing anything with you, as price is your only subject I can remember. I know where I can get cheap girls and I know where I can get it for free, and yet I still prefer to pay for higher quality. I have been to Biergarten too on occasions. I looked but was not that impressed. I probably don't have time to really wait for the better looking girls to show up there. I also have this bad habit of wanting to see girls naked before buying. No surprises.

For me its all about utilising my mongering time to get the best quality girls. I just rang my favourite bargirl to line her up. She has a slim hot body (super ass) and exceptional performance and we never discuss the price. I am not bored with her. I would rather have the same girl that is consistently fantastic than take a gamble. I try to maintain a list of several favourites, and only occasionally try a new girl which can be hit and miss.

spent a couple of week in bangkok and partook of two bjs at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], one at dr. bj's salon and also had a go at dr. bj's nuru.

bj #1 at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]:

went in around 4. 30pm on a tuesday. picked the friendliest looking girl: nice isan girl, youngish, quite pretty. superb skills. started with a 10/10 ball lick and then proceeded to a long and leisurely blowie, going at my pace, no attempt to rush to a finish, took the load like a trooper at the end.

bj #2 at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]:

went at lunchtime on my last day, which was a friday. again picked the friendliest looking one of the bunch. also from isan, somewhat lighter skinned than the rest, been at loli's for five years so i guess relatively more jaded than the previous girl, who'd been there just a year and a half. did try to rush it at first but got the message after i asked her to go slow a couple of times. didn't rush after that and i ended my trip with a smile on my face and cum in her mouth.

dr. bj's nuru:

went around 4pm on a thursday. lineup was not special. the (scottish?) chap in charge recommended a chubby lass as providing the best service but i went for an "optifick" and picked the youngest and cutest looking girl (think her name was "beem"). wanted to go for a vip room but the guy said he wouldn't recommend her for the two hour option as she's new and provides more of a rushed service so i thanked him and went for a standard room. wish i had gone for the vip even if i didn't stay the full two hours. the standard room was basically just a shower room with a pvc mattress. all a bit wet and nasty (and chilly, thanks, to a blasting aircon and a cold water shower) and half the time i was fretting about all the germs and bacteria that must have been crawling around that wet mattress. the girl was a real cutie though. very pretty, big eyes (big knockers too) and a nice attitude. bit of a tummy on her, but hey. did rush the b2b a bit but cheerfully provided all other services with quite a bit of gusto. inexperience showed through in the bj but was nice and tight when i went inside. this was another downside to the standard room. it was difficult to gain any purchase on that damn slippery mattress and doggy was a hell of a challenge. managed to muddle through it somehow and ended with a fantastic splooge all over her pretty face, which she took with quite a bit of giggling, which is always nice.

dr. bj's salon:

went in for a lunchtime bj on a saturday. lineup wasn't fantastic, went for a consultant because she had a sexy secretary look to her. turned out to be from laos, which was nice as it was another tick on the world map for me. very nice girl, pleasant to chat to, too, when her mouth wasn't otherwise occupied. good skills, absolutely no rushing whatsoever and slurped it all up when i pumped my lot in her mouth. will definitely go back of an evening. had a look at the lineup when i walked past to go the nuru a few days previously and there looked to be a good selection.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1502492]So if you are Brit. Don't worry.[/QUOTE]Well I am a Brit but my cards are in Euro countries (neither of them obscure!) so they must have a slightly different policy. Sure I can get it sorted on Monday.

Ripple

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1502646]That it explains it all! No surprise given the country has hardly got a Government.[/QUOTE]You are quite mistaken, my friend!

Belgium has:

Federal Government.

Flemish Regional and Community Government.

Brussels Regional Government.

Walloon Regional Government.

French Community Government.

German Community Government.

And a host of inter-governmental committees to try coordinating all these governments. Plus our 10 provincial Governments.

And yes, each of these governments have their own parliament too (the Federal Government even has 2).

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1502684]You are quite mistaken, my friend!

Belgium has: Federal Government. Flemish Regional and Community Government. Brussels Regional Government. Walloon Regional Government. French Community Government. German Community Government. And a host of inter-governmental committees to try coordinating all these governments. Plus our 10 provincial Governments. And yes, each of these governments have their own parliament too (the Federal Government even has 2).[/QUOTE]Got a functioning banking system.

Mind you with all those "governments" over one of the less important countries in the EU it is not surprising to does not anyone to spen their limited Euros outside its very limited borders.

Bluntly, if you have a banking system which tells you that you cannot uses debit card in Thailand you have a very 'Belgian' banking system.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1502672]Anyway Amjeck, you can be sure this place is not for you. .[/QUOTE]Tel Amjeck, misérable misanthropist that he can get Baht 500 at the Bier Garten on Soi 7 and he is welcome.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1502684]You are quite mistaken, my friend!

Belgium has:

Federal Government.

Flemish Regional and Community Government.

Brussels Regional Government.

Walloon Regional Government.

French Community Government.

German Community Government.

And a host of inter-governmental committees to try coordinating all these governments. Plus our 10 provincial Governments.

And yes, each of these governments have their own parliament too (the Federal Government even has 2).[/QUOTE]That's on the paper. Since how long belgium doesn't have a properly elected Central / Federal government? My Last knowledge is that the parties could not agree on a coalition, so the current government doesn't represent the people' s votes (I simplify as we are not here to talk about politics)

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1502724]That's on the paper. Since how long belgium doesn't have a properly elected Central / Federal government? My Last knowledge is that the parties could not agree on a coalition, so the current government doesn't represent the people' s votes (I simplify as we are not here to talk about politics)[/QUOTE]It took us 541 days to form a government that got a majority in parliament and that has now been in power since December 2011 already. Next year we have new elections.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1502699] (...)

it is not surprising to does not anyone to spen their limited Euros outside its very limited borders.

(...) [/QUOTE]The smaller a country is, the more outside world there is to spend your money in. :) Happy me!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1502672].I just rang my favourite bargirl to line her up. She has a slim hot body (super ass).[/QUOTE]Hey Syzygies, you have been talking about her a lot recently. Mind posting a pic of her super hot ass? :)

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1502749]Hey Syzygies, you have been talking about her a lot recently. Mind posting a pic of her super hot ass? :)[/QUOTE]Well that's a good idea. I should try to get a pic soon. She may not mind if her face is hidden. She is a damn good bargirl. Not many are of this breed. She has a small face, is quite slim and has small waist but significant thigh width. The arse cheeks balloon out and are firm and high, no sign of sag even though she is an older than she looks, leaving a very sexy gap underneath. Most girls have a few stretch marks but her ass is also very smooth and not white but fairly light skin. A very tight toned body with no noticable fat, maybe looking like a gymnast's body might look. Not for big tit fans.

She is popular despite working bar just 7 months. Does both ST and LT and BFed 27 times last month despite working only 23 days. I probably helped her break her record of most "Offs" for the month by taking her ST very early evening several times. So obviously she had 2 customers on several days. So she has been BFed before 8PM quite frequently. She has a few regular customers who keep coming back. I will be a long term customer for sure.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1502724](I simplify as we are not here to talk about politics)[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. This is Bangkok. We are specially not wanting the thread filled with Belgian Politics. Have a thought for those scrolling through heaps on an iphone or similar.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1502758]Well that's a good idea. I should try to get a pic soon. She may not mind if her face is hidden. She is a damn good bargirl. Not many are of this breed. She has a small face, is quite slim and has small waist but significant thigh width. The arse cheeks balloon out and are firm and high, no sign of sag even though she is an older than she looks, leaving a very sexy gap underneath. Most girls have a few stretch marks but her ass is also very smooth and not white but fairly light skin. A very tight toned body with no noticable fat, maybe looking like a gymnast's body might look. Not for big tit fans. I.

She is popular despite working bar just 7 months. Does both ST and LT and BFed 27 times last month despite working only 23 days. I probably helped her break her record of most "Offs" for the month by taking her ST very early evening several times. So obviously she had 2 customers on several days. So she has been BFed before 8PM quite frequently. She has a few regular customers who keep coming back. I will be a long term customer for sure.[/QUOTE]With all the understanding for the attractiveness and sexual quality of a prostitute, I can' t for the life of myself comprhend how a serious monger can repeatedly pay (actually overpay) a same woman when knowin she's high rotation. Especially when it involves paying barfines or similar nonsense. Expensive entertainment once ok. Repeat the same over and over no thanks. If one likes a same woman so much (at times i do) take a mistress.

[I]

I have this penchant for the gamine look, cheeky face and seriously short hair cut with fringe, perky nose and high up boobs. [/I]

A man after my own heart! I really love that look.

I realize lots of guys love their tits and ass, but to my eye the tight little spinner is just gorgeous.

[I]And I guess that limits the field. [/I]

Sadly so true, as rising living standards, sedentary life styles spent hunched over a smartphone and the hegemony of American fast food combine to pack pounds onto the frames of so very many girls in Thailand.

Bunky

Any you guys visited either of these? Any girls you can recommend?

The US State Department is not advising US citizens to change travel plans. Here is the latest statement they sent to people enrolled in the traveler program.

[I]December 1, 2013.

Domestic political activists in Thailand are holding large demonstrations at several sites throughout Bangkok. These demonstrations may continue in the coming days, including at several Thai government facilities in areas within and outside of Central Bangkok.

Violence, including gunshots, was reported on the night of November 30 / morning of December 1st in the area of Ramkhamhaeng University in the Bang Kapi district northeast of Central Bangkok. At least two persons have been reported killed and several dozen have been reported injured. Police have used tear gas and other measures to protect government facilities at several locations in Bangkok.

Although the Thai government has not implemented a curfew, senior officials have recommended that residents remain at home from 10:00 pm Dec 1 through 5:00 am Dec 2.

The USA Embassy in Bangkok will be open on Monday as usual. Please check the Embassy's web page and Twitter feed for updates.

Even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate into violence. You should avoid areas of demonstrations, and exercise caution if in the vicinity of any large gatherings, protests, or demonstrations. Be alert and aware of your surroundings and pay attention to local news media reports. [/I]

[quote=kbkbal; 1502673]spent a couple of week in bangkok and partook of two bjs at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], one at dr. bj's salon and also had a go at dr. bj's nuru.

dr. bj's nuru: this was another downside to the standard room. it was difficult to gain any purchase on that damn slippery mattress and doggy was a hell of a challenge.[/quote]nuru is a slippery b2b masage with a "special" gel. no wonder you could grab the girl properly and she was sliding away or so! lol

[QUOTE=Pentire; 1502669]I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.

Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.

My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.[/QUOTE]Good comment, mate, I agree. My friends and I are not bad looking gents and on our trip last summer we had some girls in BKK ask us 3 to 5 k, and one bud even had one quote hime 7 k to which we all just laughed and immediately just walked away. This is why I like Pattaya so much better. Of course, you can negotiate, but the trend seems to be going this way in BKK, and almost all FL's will only do short time with no GFE. In the MPs, Beer Bars, and Go-gos there prices are much lower, but the real attractive ones think they are a rare commodity, therefore, know how to ask more for it.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1502891]Nuru is a slippery B2B masage with a "special" gel. No wonder you could grab the girl properly and she was sliding away or so! LOL[/QUOTE]Haha, yes! The challenge was actually stopping my knees sliding away.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1502592]I paid less than 3K for ST with Min. The mamasan was a bit irritating and possibly trying to tell me the girl rates but I was not paying attention. She also wanted to mention how much was on my drink bill. Again, I am ignoring her. It doesn't seem to be her business. She did not want to add the 700 Baht BF to the bill. Appears that they are not trusting the customers in this bar at all.

Min is not a typical bargirl. Seems to be 100% honest and trustworthy, despite the myth that all bargirls are liars and cheats. Min warned me that some girls in the bar are indeed trying to cheat the customer. So if the girl tries to get you to pay up front, it could mean she has been ripped off by customers refusing to pay for the sex, or could mean she is a cheat and will run away at the first possible opportunity. Certain nationalities of customers have bad reputations for disputing the bill (bad memories or a culture thing?) , and others for ripping off the girl. Guys from the USA enjoy the very best reputation (I am not from there) for fairness, honesty and avoiding foul language. I could practise my American accent. I can even speak Thai with a funny American like accent LOL. Not sure if Americans can be picked by the way they dress, but its wise not to dress too sloppy and make sure you are clean. Sweaty singlets is not a good look. Typically Singaporeans, Koreans, and Japanese can be picked by dress style I am told.[/QUOTE]What are you guys talking about? When I was in Bangkok a week or so ago I was quoted 700 BF and 2000 ST at Crazy House. Where did this 3000 ST come from?

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1502884]Although the Thai government has not implemented a curfew, senior officials have recommended that residents remain at home from 10:00 pm Dec 1 through 5:00 am Dec 2.[/QUOTE]Oh Shit! Whoops! I did not stay home after 10PM. Big deal! Not sure what was so special about last night. Plenty of tourists out and about. Some in groups. Not sure why you publish these foreign political warnings, either. Can just put a link to them. Better to publish your own opinions, in my opinion. Have you decided to stay home now?

We have had senseless stay away warnings for so many years, the danger will be that any warning will be ignored when a situation does get really dangerous. When civil war breaks out, that will be something.

The only useful advice is to take a wide berth of demonstrations and mobs. Its nothing to do with tourists. I was amazed to see a foreigner filming a demonstration while riding his motor-bike. Risking an accident.

[QUOTE=JimBob555;1502869]Any you guys visited either of these? Any girls you can recommend?[/QUOTE]More fishing for publicity?

[QUOTE=StudBucket;1502925]Good comment, mate, I agree. My friends and I are not bad looking gents and on our trip last summer we had some girls in BKK ask us 3 to 5 k, and one bud even had one quote hime 7 k to which we all just laughed and immediately just walked away. This is why I like Pattaya so much better. Of course, you can negotiate, but the trend seems to be going this way in BKK, and almost all FL's will only do short time with no GFE. In the MPs, Beer Bars, and Go-gos there prices are much lower, but the real attractive ones think they are a rare commodity, therefore, know how to ask more for it.[/QUOTE]I don't think your looks matter much, as long as look acceptable and clean, so strange you should mention that. I don't think I normally comment on my looks, as does not occur to me. If guys look bad, the girl may charge a fortune or just refuse to be interested.

The problem with freelancers, bargirls, etc. Is they can set their own price according to what they think they can get. Very fair. Free market. Some are very cheap as that is all they can get. If you don't like it, then simply go to fixed price establishments.

Freelancers are not GFE? I did not know that, but you can avoid freelancers. I don't use freelancers that much, mainly because it takes too much time to find one with great face, and great body, although I am sure many exist. I have found some good freelancers working in bars (with no monthly salary) to be good but bars don't like to have freelancers too much, as they like to exert more control over the girls.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1501454]Dude, if you are going to spend tall coin on some jeans, go out and buy some good Japanese raw selvedge denim. Don't be seen in pre-washed jeans. Create your own fades. I ditched Diesel years ago. Yeah, new raw is a pain to break in, but after you will have the best fitting and best looking jeans you have ever had.

And if you want to buy local, there are several fantastic small brands here in Thailand (that use Japanese selvedge) and lots of shops selling Japanese brands. Try 'them out, you will love them, and no one will ever call you a douchebag. Peace.[/QUOTE]Care to share where one can buy the Thai brands that use Japanese selvedge?

Here is a freelance pickup spot I don't remember seeing mentioned here fellows, Grease Bangkok Sukhumvit 49.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1502771]With all the understanding for the attractiveness and sexual quality of a prostitute, I can' t for the life of myself comprhend how a serious monger can repeatedly pay (actually overpay) a same woman when knowin she's high rotation. Especially when it involves paying barfines or similar nonsense. Expensive entertainment once ok. Repeat the same over and over no thanks. If one likes a same woman so much (at times i do) take a mistress.[/QUOTE]What's the going rate for a mistress?

Will she be as hot as a sex trade stunner?

Will she do whatever I want with a smile?

High rotation? IOW experienced, knowledagble, skilled in her art. What's the problem?

[QUOTE=Pentire; 1502669]I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.

Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.

My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.[/QUOTE]I don't think the North asians are the whole problem, but they certainly have contributed to it. There are still plenty of westerners paying these high prices also, but if you go into the main areas in BKK you will see lots more asian tourists than ever before.

High season has an affect on these "outrageous" prices also. High season turns the marketplace into a sellers market, where the girls have the power to demand high prices.

From FL hangouts in BKK I can not adress anything but the fact I pay the same compensation all year around. FL wice the normal hangoutplaces seems to have same ammount of girls as well (I do ofcourse not count but it is my impression anyway). When I read MOST fl girls don't do LT and no GFE I dont recognize this. I do enjoy a combination of PSE / GFE tough. Since I enjoy some alone time after multiple poppings / beeing drenched (nighttime, bonerwakeups during sleep time and morning / daytimefucking even A+ service most of the time)my problem is more in line to get them to leave. Maby have something to with my chemistrybuilding. I elaborate later. I do compensate in the line of 3K(sometimes that is for very LT and an almost unbelievable amounts of sessions). Sometimes higher if very good quality of everything. For BG or Gullivers(quick take outs and more efficient chemistrybuilding, daytimeuse only, 1 or 2k(a+service mandatory and allways rubber use)..

Pricequotings is almost non existent to me (it do ofcourse happen but then I dismiss the girl) as I like to enjoy to figure out what kind of compensation they are worth at the end but i do compensate. The girls i deal with seems all happy with this and atleast no money is discussed. Why, i dont know as from what i read it seems girls quote prices in east and west and cheeky high ones too. What can be the reason for this???

Maby a big different between me and many other mongerers is that I invest quite some time if I see a girl that interests me into creating the good athmosphere through chemistrybuilding (drinking, laughing, kissing, treating her friends nice as it gives her good standing). Then the girls feel respected and I can sense the aftermatch will be a good one (works both ways). It is only normal that a girl no matter what we call her will performe better if she likes you. I strongly also believe, if not for others so for my own sake, into staying very well groomed and nicely dressed. I see guys hunting all the time not looking fresh and they are also not willing to spend a dime. The latter will ofcourse have some impact on ladies as we are talking about pay for play venues here (mostly). I know some of you think it is vaste of time doing it my way as we deal with pay for play girls. Each to his own i think have to be the right answer. To me when meeting a new girl what i mention above is half the fun as i like to party and have fun as well(why not together with some beauties i say). I know ofcourse i dont have to do it this way and i could have been more effective in my mongering but this is what works the best for me and my liknings. It also makes girls only want ST to go away(atleast i think so) as spending long time in a disco would be a vaste of time for her(or ofcourse they could change during time spend with me. As long as she does not puts out signals she is a ST girls and keeps quite about money i realy dont care. I guess i never will know).

As some other contributours state I also strongly believe if a girl quote a strange high price she is realy not motivated to go. Even if I don't have that problem it all makes perfect sense. If it is a wice choice to pick a girl not interested is another matter as she probably will only performe as little as possible / starfishing(using only half her engine).

And yes I am as normal talking about our beloved (or hated) places as Levels, Bash, Q-Bar, Climax, Mixx, Insanity, Shock39, CM2 (getting almost a place for Stanigirls / african women from my exp) , Thermae, Spasso. Gogo and BG and the barfine system is not to my liking(and yes i know some of these girls will wander off and hit mentioned places but that does not matter as long as no mama or papasan is involved). The only benefit i can see as i am very resteictive dealing with strechmarked girls is you can view ladies nude or almost nude in GoGo's. I mostly stay away from girls with children anyway and i do some touching and feelups during screening/interview process anyway so even if i have encountered a few saggy ones in my mongerlife it also leaves some excitement to the nudepart of the deal.

I have been around SEA in general and BKK more specificaly all year around for quite some years now. To me it is not important if it is high / low season as this has nothing to when I visit. From venues mentioned above it is no difference and I meet my semi pro girls anyway without any trouble. I usually don't hit the most hardcore material but as long as they stay away from quoting prices and are into having a blast I realy don't care so much what we should call these girls (I don't study their background anyway but you can easily sense if a girl is a hardened pro or a more newbee to the game and I end mostly up for some reasons unknown to me with the latter ones). Well one obvious reason is ofcourse i stay away from SC, Nana and Patong, i stay away from MP's and BJ bars and away from Streetwalkers. In Pattaya(only a very few days a year)same modus operandi(MO)meaning disco/nightclubs. I am also a big user of datingsites(in Thailand not so much as before)but mostly for China, Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippines(with great sucsess i might add).

It is nice to see we do conduct various MO but when i read some reports here they are very far from how i view the FL ladies. I guess that is just how life is sometimes.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1503094]Even if it is high or low season BKK is a very cheap place to have fun anyway. Stay strong and monger hard.[/QUOTE]Even though my typical mode of operation is different due to limited time I can appreciate you ways.

A question or two if I may? What time do you go to these venues on average and how much time do you spend there before taking a girl away? How would a non-drinker operate at these venues? Which disco has the best music for older guys?

[QUOTE=Kbkbal; 1502673]Dr. BJ's Nuru:

Went around 4pm on a Thursday. Lineup was not special. The (Scottish?) chap in charge recommended a chubby lass as providing the best service but I went for an "Optifick" and picked the youngest and cutest looking girl (think her name was "Beem"). Wanted to go for a VIP room but the guy said he wouldn't recommend her for the two hour option as she's new and provides more of a rushed service so I thanked him and went for a standard room. Wish I had gone for the VIP even if I didn't stay the full two hours. The standard room was basically just a shower room with a pvc mattress. All a bit wet and nasty (and chilly, thanks, to a blasting aircon and a cold water shower) and half the time I was fretting about all the germs and bacteria that must have been crawling around that wet mattress. The girl was a real cutie though. Very pretty, big eyes (big knockers too) and a nice attitude. Bit of a tummy on her, but hey. Did rush the B2B a bit but cheerfully provided all other services with quite a bit of gusto. Inexperience showed through in the BJ but was nice and tight when I went inside. This was another downside to the standard room. It was difficult to gain any purchase on that damn slippery mattress and doggy was a hell of a challenge. Managed to muddle through it somehow and ended with a fantastic splooge all over her pretty face, which she took with quite a bit of giggling, which is always nice.[/QUOTE]My observations on the standard room are pretty much the same as yours. Tried once, and don't intend to repeat as I prefer the Annies format better. Tip. For traction, rinse of the mattress first. And don't forget to switch off the aircon. Getting dressed in a wet room and putting on shoes in the corridor is real pain in the derriere.

9:15pm last night, Nana first floor: This pretty ladyboy grabbed my cock and told me we had not much time before the bars shutdown at 10pm due to the curfew. The only choice I had left, she said, was to barfine her asap and get dirty in the ST hotel upstairs. After freeing myself (and my cock) I proceeded to Mandarin (upstairs) and then Mandarin (downstairs). After a few drinks and friendly banter with 2 mamasans, I barfined this very nice lady called May. We went to Hillary on our way back (see notes below) and to the best of my knowledge it was almost midnight and everything looked normal. So I guess the curfew had not much effect in the lower Sukhumvit area.

Tonight might be different. It's 8pm and I can hear police sirens wailing every 15-20 mins since sundown. Pretty sure I also heard a mobile PA system announcement. The Sukh looks normal from my 10th floor balcony.

Other notes:

May tried to hustle me for 2 drinks for 2 of her friends who joined us at Hillary. I refused.

I payed May THB 4000 as agreed and as bargained down from the initial THB 5000 suggested by mamasan.

Room service was not available "due to the curfew". We survived on Pringles and Toblerones from the mini-bar, in between sessions.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1503102]Even though my typical mode of operation is different due to limited time I can appreciate you ways.

A question or two if I may? What time do you go to these venues on average and how much time do you spend there before taking a girl away? How would a non-drinker operate at these venues? Which disco has the best music for older guys?[/QUOTE]Well ofcourse it will vary what time I go but I normaly would say I hit them around 12am to 2am. If a place is rather slow I do ofcourse split and hit a new one but mostly I choose to stay where I first choose to go. When I hit up a girl or the other way around and she is to my liking I can easily spend 1 to 3 hours or so with her before getting down to business. I do carry a clock but I don't watch it very closely so what I write here would be just assumptions but probably more or less correct.

It is hard for me to tell how a non drinker would operate in venues like this as I only know them from a drinking point of view. But according to me it will allways be nice to treat the girls with some drinks (even if you don't drink I guess you don't mind a girl having a 2, 3 drinks?) as in my cases it easens the chemistrybuilding which I do love so much, hehe. As long as a girl feel certain she will get something out of it and not have to worry about you will pay or not I think if you drink or not is not of great importance.

To be frank I don't pay that much attention to the music but atleast Climax and Spasso have livebands playing. Spasso play more oldies goldies but you find also that afew times at Climax (but rather loud). Other mentioned venues do almost an all in new age style of music (ofcourse with exceptions) which of much I do not listen to in my freetime but as stated I realy don't care about the music (only girls). Quite some time since I visited Bangkok Beat but I do remember they also had a liveband quite decent (ofcourse that could have changed). Sorry I could not be of more help.

Would it not be a good idea if you went out and f*ck*the instead of rambling on?

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1503118]Would itSkbe a good idea if you went out and f*ck*the instead of rambling on?[/QUOTE]Yet another unwarranted attack. Skogis posted info related on how to get a good fuck while having good time at a club. Clicks with this forum purpose.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1503115]Sorry I could not be of more help.[/QUOTE]No no, that was fine. My difficulty is being too old for very late night mongering and having to get sufficient sleep to be able to work too. I have been to discos like Bed supper, Climax, and Insanity, etc. And Climax was the only one I enjoyed at all as had okay music, but always took a girl with me, so to go alone would be a new experience. I don't really like the discos that much. I do prefer live bands.

I don't mind buying girls alcoholic drinks even if I am not partaking. I don't drink much alcohol for reasons of weight loss and also as I am not very sensitive and alcohol just weakens the feeling. I don't mind drinking alcohol after sex, occasionally. I don't need alcohol to relax, or to forget the world, or even to become a more silly person that talks too much.

I believe just the one vice is enough for me. Just only sex mongering. Perhaps the 2nd vice, is writing too much on the ISG.

As for Scorchin, I think he forgot how much padding, not really related to sexual encounter useful details, that he writes too. Its hard to recall him giving any great intel of use to me, and I don't agree with most of his views anyway. Probably is from a different planet and sees things completely differently.

In the end, Skogis, I don't think you waste as much forum bandwidth as some of the rest of us that write far too frequently (including myself). Then there are the overly negative types out there that really make me wonder. Some of those have fortunately become noticeably absent lately.

[QUOTE=KiJang;1503114]So I guess the curfew had not much effect in the lower Sukhumvit area.[/QUOTE]That's right. If you are in the bars blissfully unaware or ignoring the curfew, then no problem. The bars did not close at 10PM where I was. Tonight I stay home but not because of curfew. My best bargirl is on the rag. LOL

[QUOTE=KiJang;1503107]My observations on the standard room are pretty much the same as yours. Tried once, and don't intend to repeat as I prefer the Annies format better. Tip. For traction, rinse of the mattress first. And don't forget to switch off the aircon. Getting dressed in a wet room and putting on shoes in the corridor is real pain in the derriere.[/QUOTE]I agree. The weather is very nice this time of year so switching off the aircon when in a wet situation is a good option. Thai girls particularly don't like to get very cold.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl; 1503046]What's the going rate for a mistress?

Will she be as hot as a sex trade stunner?

Will she do whatever I want with a smile?

High rotation? IOW experienced, knowledagble, skilled in her art. What's the problem?[/QUOTE]
I would say anywhere from 30.000 a month to the sky limit.
Of course she will do everything with a smile, otherwise why would you have entered the deal.

My issue with doing frequents almost daily repeats with a popular girl is that when the goods are really good I want them for me only. Not a matter of jealousy, but more practical, I want her fresh and available 24/7.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1503115]Sorry I could not be of more help.[/QUOTE]Perfect. I just need a wingman in these clubs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1503153]No no, that was fine. My difficulty is being too old for very late night mongering and having to get sufficient sleep to be able to work too. I have been to discos like Bed supper, Climax, and Insanity, etc. And Climax was the only one I enjoyed at all as had okay music, but always took a girl with me, so to go alone would be a new experience. I don't really like the discos that much. .[/QUOTE]To be honest if you are old or have other looks issues I do not recommed that you go to the clubs. In fact I will have to quit it soon myself. Good looking girls, the few that there are, reject guys very easily. Of course one could make crazy offers to do them anyway, but that would not produce any good results.

[QUOTE=KiJang; 1503114]9:15pm last night, Nana first floor: This pretty ladyboy grabbed my cock and told me we had not much time before the bars shutdown at 10pm due to the curfew. The only choice I had left, she said, was to barfine her asap and get dirty in the ST hotel upstairs. After freeing myself (and my cock) I proceeded to Mandarin (upstairs) and then Mandarin (downstairs). After a few drinks and friendly banter with 2 mamasans, I barfined this very nice lady called May. We went to Hillary on our way back (see notes below) and to the best of my knowledge it was almost midnight and everything looked normal. So I guess the curfew had not much effect in the lower Sukhumvit area.

Tonight might be different. It's 8pm and I can hear police sirens wailing every 15-20 mins since sundown. Pretty sure I also heard a mobile PA system announcement. The Sukh looks normal from my 10th floor balcony.

Other notes:

May tried to hustle me for 2 drinks for 2 of her friends who joined us at Hillary. I refused.

I payed May THB 4000 as agreed and as bargained down from the initial THB 5000 suggested by mamasan.

Room service was not available "due to the curfew". We survived on Pringles and Toblerones from the mini-bar, in between sessions.[/QUOTE]There was no enforceable curfew and there is still not as of Monday evening. The deputy prime minister and police chief just asked that people stay home from Sunday at 10PM to Monday morning at 5AM. No forcing the bars to close early, no tanks, no army patrols. There are just police and un armed army soldiers protecting government house and other government buildings like Changwattana, education, finance and so on. There was excessive violence in the Ramkamhang area at the university Sunday night that got pretty out of hand and some government supporters were killed by Suthep supporters. Most if not all mongering areas like Nana plaza, soi cowboy and so on are all open for business as usual. It seems your ladyboy bar girl chose to heed the advice and go home at ten but me thinks it was a ploy so you would take her upstairs!

[QUOTE=New Old Guy; 1503158]I would say anywhere from 30. 000 a month to the sky limit.

Of course she will do everything with a smile, otherwise why would you have entered the deal.

My issue with doing frequents almost daily repeats with a popular girl is that when the goods are really good I want them for me only. Not a matter of jealousy, but more practical, I want her fresh and available 24/7.[/QUOTE]A lot of guys have thought they had bought exclusivity in making a bar girl or gogo girl into their mistress, whereas in fact she was still working doing tricks. I've had these kinds in my bedroom.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1503154]Tonight I stay home but not because of curfew. My best bargirl is on the rag. LOL[/QUOTE]You have your own curfew because of red. LOL

[QUOTE=New Old Guy;1503165]To be honest if you are old or have other looks issues I do not recommed that you go to the clubs. In fact I will have to quit it soon myself. Good looking girls, the few that there are, reject guys very easily. Of course one could make crazy offers to do them anyway, but that would not produce any good results.[/QUOTE]That's what I call semi pros. Find a nice pick up and get money as well. I always respected girls that were very fussy. I am actually a lot older than I look. Plenty of hair and its not just white hair. Also not overweight any more. It's also dark right? They might think I am mid 40s. LOL But I would have to make an effort to be more stylish.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1503402]That's what I call semi pros. Find a nice pick up and get money as well. I always respected girls that were very fussy. I am actually a lot older than I look. Plenty of hair and its not just white hair. Also not overweight any more. It's also dark right? They might think I am mid 40s. LOL But I would have to make an effort to be more stylish.[/QUOTE]They aren't semi-pros. There are some there, but note that he said that making a crazy offer won't give a good result. At places like Mixx and Levels, as opposed to Climax or Insanity, you have lots of girls who are not in the game in any way, shape or form. Educated, good jobs, but like to party and many like foreign guys. So if they are rejecting you then money won't help. I tend to go to places like Route 66 as well. These places in RCA are packed with really hot girls and maybe 2% are working. But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.

Protest and curfew but untill jet I haven't seen it on the Sukhumvite area for the last 3 weeks.

Through TF / internet I made contact with a 28 years old cutie. 165 cm. 48 kg who was on Duty in a shop in Central World and we agreed to meet after she finished at 09:30 PM.

We meet for a small diner in the Huntsman bar (Landmark) and I invited her over to my place, where a nearly full bottle of White Wine still was waiting in the fridge.

She was shy and did not allow me to take pictures, okay some she did allow. Anyhow we landed on the bed and everything beside anal was available.

On a certain moment she wanted to go to sleep under the blankets but I politely hinted that it was better for her rest when she would sleep in her own bed. We did not talked about money or compensation but when she left. 3 hours later, I felt that I had to compensate and gave her THB 2. 000 and 200 THB for taxi.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1503174]A lot of guys have thought they had bought exclusivity in making a bar girl or gogo girl into their mistress, whereas in fact she was still working doing tricks. I've had these kinds in my bedroom.[/QUOTE]Of course but depending on the type of relation one can even allow some slack. Other than that they know it's a risky game if you want to be strict and quick in giving her the boot.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1503406]But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.[/QUOTE]As opposed to working girls that do not like foreigners speaking Thai, as they are not prone to manipulation. Hi end club gaming in Thailand is not an easy game but at least is doable unlike in the West.

Guys! What curfew? There was never a curfew and there still is not one as of Tuesday at 5PM!

Visited Dr BJ at Soi 7, right at nana bts station. Great fun. Very simple, show up mid afternoon, pick from a line up (I went for a bit chubbier lower priced "nurse"). She took me up stairs, I took off my clothes, and she washed me up. Then proceeded to suck me dry. Very fast as her technique was excellent. Done in 15 minutes, offered to go again (no stamina). Cost for beer and BJ is 800 bt. Excellent choice for mid afternoon quikie, leave your wife shopping, on your way home delay? AnywAy, great technique. Highly recommended for BJ aficionados, and those with little time.

Love Bangkok!

WG

[QUOTE=Mooris7;1503518]Guys! What curfew? There was never a curfew and there still is not one as of Tuesday at 5PM![/QUOTE]There was one Sunday night 10pm to Monday morning 5am. However it was enforced only in areas affected by protests and violence.

Was at Climax last night. Expected to find our esteemed ISG patrons ordering bottle service trays of vodka, surrounded by hot semi-pros. Nothing like that at all. This place has not changed much since I last went (4 years?). It was called the Spice Club then.

Was joined at my table by 2 ladies (uninvited). Played the game, ordered a couple of rounds. 2 girls turned to 4. All were available if I was ready to "take care of them" financially and the asking price was THB 3000. Watched all of them (and others) try their luck with potential customers, and when unsuccessful they would return to my table and try their luck with me, again. It was definitely a buyers market, however the buyers had to initiate the deal 9/10 times. Lesson learned. If you like someone, walk up and talk. You snooze and you lose. Bailed out after about 2 hrs and on my way out I saw the previously occupied girl from next table, now returning from a phone call. We had been eyeing each other across tables earlier. Sealed the deal in 10 seconds flat and went back to my place. She was mixed thai-Chinese, with more Chinese than thai features. Very GF, but the sex was average. Nice company though and insisted on going out in future for dinner etc. Exchanged numbers and booted her out at 11am.

Funny story. Three MILFs took a table and ordered gin and tonic bottle service with mixers. One was giving "the look" to the guy at the next table whilst prancing around. She sent over a glass of gin tonic with the waiter to this punter. He refused to accept it, or even acknowledge the lady for trying. No thanks, just a flat out "get that drink away from here" gesturing to the confused waiter. LOL

I went in Long Gun at 9PM. It was very dead (lacking customers). Seemed like not even a shell of its former self and air was too cold. However I like one nude girl dancing so decided to stay a bit. I didn't want to show interest in case the next set of girls was better. They were. Soon customers were starting to show up. Okay The customers only arrive for the special shows that start at 9. 30PM. By 10 to 10:30. The place was buzzing. Lots of Japanese had come in and quite a few old Farangs.

Not sure why the Japanese were here. The girls were all natural looks types with no sillies and no fake noses. Expect the Japanese to favour Bacarra where girl look like ladyboys, and Cock-or-Two where they are actually Ladyboys.

I was straight away thinking several girls were really nice looking, and preferred a tall model like one 170cm, A cups but very firm and high, and medium dark skin (the Japs will not be competing for this girl) , nose upturned and just slightly too broad. She was very cute and dancing nude. 3 of them got called off the stage to change for the first show, which was cowgirls.

An old Farang managed to signal to my girl before I could, as soon as she came out in her cowgirl costume. I was cursing myself for being too slow. There are conversing and he is using his hand to point back and forward between the 2 of them (this is on opposite side of the place). Suddenly she storms off in a hurry. Looks like that had a disagreement so I am still in with a chance. The guy paid his bill and left.

I signal the girl quickly to come over for a drink, but she has to perform in the show. When she came back from the show I was surprised how friendly she was as had not even glanced toward me during the show. Turns out she is shy. Name "Wip" aged 21, only 2nd day in Long Gun (works in outdoor restaurant in Suphanburi but sales are down with the political unrest). However previously worked LG, for 1 month I think. Claims to not speak English at all. Must be the other Farang spoke to her in Thai also. I find out that she has never ever been barfined, and I will be the first. Later turned out she wasn't sure how much money she was supposed to make. LOL. I take her outside and we order some food first. I'm and trying to recover after an earlier sex session at Utopia Soapy with a very pretty Noo Naa (and expensive).

Off to the Asoke Place ST Hotel. A short wait. She does know about this place as the mamasan has told her. Turns out she doesn't want to take a shower as took one already at the bar after her show. She is a little scared. She is not a virgin but turns out I am her first bar customer and first Farang. She is surprised by Farang sized dick. What is more, apparently, she has never given a blow job, never received DATY, never played with herself and never had an orgasm. Looks like I have to be the teacher again. I tried the DATY, but she was not used to the feeling and Dan will be pleased as she preferred the hand and finger stimulation (my forte is DATY and I am better at that).

After a bit of persuasion got her to try her first BBBJ. She did it very soft and very slow so I was very pleased with her first effort. Allowed me to finger her very properly and wasn't too small so nice sex was possible. She apologized a lot for not being very good, and no experience, but I indicated I liked her a lot and was no problem. She was willing to kiss very nicely and had a tongue piercing. She used my phone to take some pictures of me and her and gave me her number. Had to give her some warnings that not all customers are nice like me, and some are very stingy. She said she might have heard something about 2K from another girl but wasn't sure. I indicated that she will definitely meet guys who want to go for less than 2K ST, but she should check with the other girls how much is fair these days.

Will take her again, despite her lack of experience. I enjoy kissing such a pretty girl a lot.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1503406]They aren't semi-pros. There are some there, but note that he said that making a crazy offer won't give a good result. At places like Mixx and Levels, as opposed to Climax or Insanity, you have lots of girls who are not in the game in any way, shape or form. Educated, good jobs, but like to party and many like foreign guys. So if they are rejecting you then money won't help. I tend to go to places like Route 66 as well. These places in RCA are packed with really hot girls and maybe 2% are working. But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I met my girlfriend in a disco. Like you said she is in no way, shape, or form in the game, but likes to go out and party with her friends. She has a car, house, and condo. She makes a lot of money doing that botox stuff. She is the customer service person and her friend is the doctor. They split the money 50/50 after expenses. Last week she took me to Krabi on Bangkok Air. The only thing I paid for was the hotel and renting the motorbike for 3 days. She even paid 6000 baht for me to go diving. And when I first met her I told her that I was a player. She said as long as I am a good person to her she does not care. Seems to be working out.

[QUOTE=Pita123;1503406]They aren't semi-pros. There are some there, but note that he said that making a crazy offer won't give a good result. At places like Mixx and Levels, as opposed to Climax or Insanity, you have lots of girls who are not in the game in any way, shape or form. Educated, good jobs, but like to party and many like foreign guys. So if they are rejecting you then money won't help. I tend to go to places like Route 66 as well. These places in RCA are packed with really hot girls and maybe 2% are working. But for them one will need your level of Thai to make an impression even as a younger guy.[/QUOTE]In the most hi so places directed more to the well off thais in BKK I pretty much agree with you and I have visited RCA area and other famous nightclubs in BKK numerous times over the years. Speaking thai probably help but I would not know as I don't (and I am not interested) speak a single word of it. Still i do fairly well with my non excisting thai(just as a heads up for people maby beeing scared away from going as they think thai skill is mandatory). My impression is many well educated beauties frequent these venues and speak good enough english so no problem at all. What is more important here is if you have game or not. Meaning if you can hit up regular girls globaly through normal mechanisms (looks, convo, charm, grooming, attitude, humor, money, selfconfidence etc etc) you will do fine here as well. Atleast i have met quite a few in my fleet of regular girls here and many of them are mixed, studied abroad, lived abroad. These are girls enjoying a very comfy life and have within reason a very nice life inn all ways. I don't need to pay them anything ofcourse but I am rather generous in the giftdepartment as I like to spend money on beauty as it makes me feel very good.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1503709]In the most hi so places directed more to the well off thais in BKK I pretty much agree with you and I have visited RCA area and other famous nightclubs in BKK numerous times over the years.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't even call RCA hi-so but mid-so. It is only hi-so because the girls that we are taking from Soi Cowboy are so far down the socio-economic chain. There is still a huge gap between RCA and top of the top.

Yesterday I was working the online dating sites and came across a girl that favorited me. I hadn't interacted with her but she was 19 and the pics were attractive. Started to chat and she said she is looking for love. Some more talking and she wanted to meet. When? Now. What will we do? She suggested we could relax. Maybe eat something. I asked if we should relax in my room in bed and she agreed. She lives by the airport and I suggested she come to the hotel around 10PM and she asked if she could stay until morning. Who am I to say no to that?

While she is on the way I noted that her profile says she is 158 and 55kg. Way heavier than my spec. But the pics don't seem to indicate this. She arrived and yes she was a large girl. She also had very full natural C-cups. I'm partial to As but I guess I can make do.

So get up to the room and kiss her. She is shy and quiet. She wants to watch TV. She is from a city in Issan. Spent her high school days in a vocational school in BKK and after a year back home, came back to BKK to study computer classes for office work. She really wanted to watch Thai TV. So I turned on the TV. Slowly we undressed. She was very compliant about my roaming hands but very focused on TV. Came time for BJ and she said she brought condoms. Assured her I have some and after BBBJ we'd use them.

She did a fair job of a BJ. She wasn't sure what she was doing but at least wasn't using her teeth! :) She had great eraser nipples on the big Cs but she was very sensitive. That would continue with DATY where I had to encourage her to hold hands with me in order to prevent her hands from pushing my head away. Tried Dan's full hand technique and still she was uncomfortable with it. Her pussy was very tight and inserting a finger was painful for her. She'd had bfs and she had just spent 10 days with a falang in Krabi. Her profile even states that she is not a virgin.

Anyway, two rounds last night. A round this morning. And off she went. Graciously provided her with 1K for the taxis. My take, she's just bored with life and looking for something to do.

[QUOTE=Pita123; 1503830]Tried Dan's full hand technique and still she was uncomfortable with it. Her pussy was very tight and inserting a finger was painful for her. She'd had bfs and she had just spent 10 days with a falang in Krabi. Her profile even states that she is not a virgin.

Anyway, two rounds last night. A round this morning. And off she went. Graciously provided her with 1K for the taxis. My take, she's just bored with life and looking for something to do.[/QUOTE]I can identify somewhat having just taken a very inexperienced newbie girl. Mine had a great body though with fabulous A cups. LOL. I was surprised that her pussy self lubricated very well, before I had touched it, just after kissing.

The mind boggles. How can a finger be painful, unless she has a severe problem? If she can't take a finger, how can she possibly take a cock? :confused: No lubrication I guess? I always have a good quality Gel on hand when needed.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1503654]Name "Wip" aged 21, only 2nd day in Long Gun (works in outdoor restaurant in Suphanburi but sales are down with the political unrest). However previously worked LG, for 1 month I think. Claims to not speak English at all. Must be the other Farang spoke to her in Thai also. I find out that she has never ever been barfined, and I will be the first. Later turned out she wasn't sure how much money she was supposed to make. LOL. I take her outside and we order some food first. I'm and trying to recover after an earlier sex session at Utopia Soapy with a very pretty Noo Naa (and expensive).

Off to the Asoke Place ST Hotel. A short wait. She does know about this place as the mamasan has told her. Turns out she doesn't want to take a shower as took one already at the bar after her show. She is a little scared. She is not a virgin but turns out I am her first bar customer and first Farang. She is surprised by Farang sized dick. What is more, apparently, she has never given a blow job, never received DATY, never played with herself and never had an orgasm. Looks like I have to be the teacher again. I tried the DATY, but she was not used to the feeling and Dan will be pleased as she preferred the hand and finger stimulation (my forte is DATY and I am better at that).

After a bit of persuasion got her to try her first BBBJ. She did it very soft and very slow so I was very pleased with her first effort. Allowed me to finger her very properly and wasn't too small so nice sex was possible. She apologized a lot for not being very good, and no experience, but I indicated I liked her a lot and was no problem. She was willing to kiss very nicely and had a tongue piercing. She used my phone to take some pictures of me and her and gave me her number. Had to give her some warnings that not all customers are nice like me, and some are very stingy. She said she might have heard something about 2K from another girl but wasn't sure. I indicated that she will definitely meet guys who want to go for less than 2K ST, but she should check with the other girls how much is fair these days.

Will take her again, despite her lack of experience. I enjoy kissing such a pretty girl a lot.[/QUOTE]I can be wrong but I think you have been played the classic shy inexperienced girl trick. Tongue piercing and first BBBJ, yeah right. Purpose of it is to shorten the session the most and avoid any effort. It always go together with profuse apolologies to soften the man and switch his sexual appetite into paternal if not almost guilty feelings. Seen it before and it goes particularly well in Thailand.
However if you have enjoyed it and did not break the bank, that's all what matters.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1503843]I can identify somewhat having just taken a very inexperienced newbie girl. Mine had a great body though with fabulous A cups. LOL. I was surprised that her pussy self lubricated very well, before I had touched it, just after kissing.

The mind boggles. How can a finger be painful, unless she has a severe problem? If she can't take a finger, how can she possibly take a cock? :confused: No lubrication I guess? I always have a good quality Gel on hand when needed.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I suppose gel may have helped. The angle was also bad, like a horseshoe. Anyway, not to be repeated.

Was bored this afternoon and after having some khao pad next to New Wave I wandered into BG. In the past 4-5 years I've been there once, just looking. Sat and ordered a diet coke and took in the scene. Interesting scene, though not many to my liking. Did end up with a cheerful 31 year old with nice a-cups. Didn't want to bring her to my hotel so went to World Inn. Told her two shots in an hour she gets 1500. 5 shots in two and she gets 3000. She was plenty happy with the 1500.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1503115]To be frank I don't pay that much attention to the music but atleast Climax and Spasso have livebands playing. Spasso play more oldies goldies but you find also that afew times at Climax (but rather loud). Other mentioned venues do almost an all in new age style of music (ofcourse with exceptions) which of much I do not listen to in my freetime but as stated I realy don't care about the music (only girls). Quite some time since I visited Bangkok Beat but I do remember they also had a liveband quite decent (ofcourse that could have changed). Sorry I could not be of more help.[/QUOTE]Music at these places. Bad cover bands. Would rather listen to a wolverine vomit. Absolutely kills the mood to see gals "enjoying" this insipid crap. Makes my p*ecker wilt. Any band that does not play songs it writes is not worth my time.

[QUOTE=Pentire; 1502669]I've been mongering in Thailand for the thick end of 25 years and thank goodness for that with the current prices being quoted.

Even as recent as 2010 I was easily able to hire a very pretty GoGo girl all night for 2000 Baht be it Bangkok or Pattaya, alright I did have one or two try their luck for 3000 but we soon agreed a compromise closer to my ceiling. Now I'm hearing stories of girls asking 3-5000 on top of a bar fine. FFS this is outrageous.

My many expat friends living in the Big Mango place the blame fairly & squarely on the sex tourists from China, Japan & Korea, they claim without the patronage of these nations Nana Plaza prices would be much more appropriate to our expectations.[/QUOTE]With you 100% on this posting. It is outrageous.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1503913]I can be wrong but I think you have been played the classic shy inexperienced girl trick. Tongue piercing and first BBBJ, yeah right. Purpose of it is to shorten the session the most and avoid any effort. It always go together with profuse apolologies to soften the man and switch his sexual appetite into paternal if not almost guilty feelings. Seen it before and it goes particularly well in Thailand.
However if you have enjoyed it and did not break the bank, that's all what matters.[/QUOTE]Yes you can be wrong, you sceptical so-and-so. I have 20 years experience in Thailand and I have normally have some suspicion if I am being played. The girl did not seem smart / sophisticated enough to be that good an actress. She did not even speak English beyond the most elementary phrase. Again she could have been just pretending to not understand things said in English. First time I ever met a newbie girl that professed to have little clue how much money the customer was supposed to pay her for a ST. An unscrupulous customer could easily have taken advantage of her.

Piercings of tongues in Thailand is a fashion. Its not related to giving BBBJs. Girls are generally far too shy to do something that would announce she is into giving the best BJs. Its is still possible she told a little white lie about never having done a BJ before (it wasn't too bad for a beginner), however did not detect anything else that seemed at all untruthful or devious.

I took the girl a 2nd time today, and her performance improved significantly. She is learning fast. We are starting to like each other. I don't see any act from her at all. The way she talks about her family and what she will be doing for father's day tomorrow, I can tell that she is a very sweet and very honest girl. I was impressed. She is starting to get into the sex now where was a lot more reserved the first time. Was willing to try a few things she had seen on X video. You can tell when I girl is getting turned on when they grab you by the hips and start pulling you into them as they get close. Did not happen on first booking. The sex session went a long time today and she was energetic. No sign of laziness. I could tell that originally from the way she danced that she is not lazy.

She explained that all her previous Thai partners never lasted long enough for her to really enjoy that much, so long duration slow sex was definitely more to her liking. She is a very nice DFK kisser now, but started off a little more shyly on first meeting.

I reckon after this girls get a little more experience, she will be a super bargirl. However the chemistry matters a lot. She is definitely for Farangs as skin is dark, but still very pretty despite that.

Finally, I reckon that if the girl was a great actress, she would try to be fairly consistent from one day to another. This girl however showed a very large change from one day to the next, which reflects her original shyness which is fast evaporating as the chemistry builds. She is either totally for real, or the most stunning actress of all time I have encountered. I could not detect the slightest hint of anything fake at all. A straight forward fun-loving girl.

Fellow Mongers,

I have been mongerin' all over latin america and my home the USA for some time now. Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Colombia, Ecuador (where I was born). I have contributing posts in the respective countries. My fav of all time is Medellin. Been there 4 times. Tryin to do Peru the summer 2014.

But before I go to Peru. I want to hit up a asian country. I do a lot of MP in the states like Dallas TX, California just so I can get my asian fix. Mainly Korean and Thai beauties and some Chinese.

So my questions is which asian country do I go too. My main countries I'm looking at are Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia.

I don't really have a body type that I prefer. I usually like spinners with a little curves and thick girl with Phat booties. My requirements to going to a asian country is:

Price of serivces, GFE, and convenience of going from one place to the other for service. I like to do multiple pops a day. Thats why I like go to Medellin. (go from brothel to brothel then to the centro strip club) Love it!

Where do I get more bang for my buck? Correct me if I'm wrong. Thailand seems to have a lot of MP and bars which I like, but you end up pay $80 US for for an hour so. I might as well stay in the states.

The Philippines has a lot of skinny ladies with no shape. But the appeal of the ladies knowing some english does help.

I don't know what I get with the Indonesian chicks.

I would like to do all-nighters on this trip. Which place is better for this?

Please guys help a fellow mongerer out!

[QUOTE=Dcfan77; 1504087]Fellow Mongers,

I have been mongerin' all over latin america and my home the USA for some time now. Mexico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Colombia, Ecuador (where I was born). I have contributing posts in the respective countries. My fav of all time is Medellin. Been there 4 times. Tryin to do Peru the summer 2014.
So my questions is which asian country do I go too. My main countries I'm looking at are Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia.

[/QUOTE]Go Thailand and you will fnd a lot of FL going for 57/00 to 1000/1500 ST, repeat many times a day and you get what you want.

Not much different for Philipines, from what I read.

Then each one has hos own preferences.

Just to assure you that Thjailand is not only gogo or bar of MP (FL / SW are the only one left. Other than those)

Thanks bro. Street walkers? Then I have to worry about STD's. Or do I?

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1504112]Go Thailand and you will fnd a lot of FL going for 57/00 to 1000/1500 ST, repeat many times a day and you get what you want.

Not much different for Philipines, from what I read.

Then each one has hos own preferences.

Just to assure you that Thjailand is not only gogo or bar of MP (FL / SW are the only one left. Other than those) [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1504118]Thanks bro. Street walkers? Then I have to worry about STD's. Or do I?[/QUOTE]Gogo girls or bar girls give the same degree of risk.

The genearal rule is "stay protected". After 2am in BKK Nanan area, there are quite some gogo girls FL in the vicinity.PS: I am a single son, so I dont have "bro's".

Thanks son!

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1504120]Gogo girls or bar girls give the same degree of risk.

The genearal rule is "stay protected". After 2am in BKK Nanan area, there are quite some gogo girls FL in the vicinity. PS: I am a single son, so I don't have "bro's".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77; 1504087]Fellow Mongers,

Thailand seems to have a lot of MP and bars which I like, but you end up pay $80 US for for an hour so.[/QUOTE]Freelancer on Beach Road, BJ. 30 minutes in my hotel: approx. $18.

Girl from Bar on Soi 6, expert in BBBJ. 1h, $35 for her plus $10 for the room.

Girl from beer bar on Walking Street, all night: $50 for her + 20$ barfine.

Top girl (a real stunner) from top gogo on Walking Street, all night: $130 for her plus $50 barfine, because I picked her up about 22:00 already.

Take your choice.

Now thats what I'm talking about! Thanks man.

[QUOTE=Reiner Otto; 1504141]Freelancer on Beach Road, BJ. 30 minutes in my hotel: approx. $18.

Girl from Bar on Soi 6, expert in BBBJ. 1h, $35 for her plus $10 for the room.

Girl from beer bar on Walking Street, all night: $50 for her + 20$ barfine.

Top girl (a real stunner) from top gogo on Walking Street, all night: $130 for her plus $50 barfine, because I picked her up about 22:00 already.

Take your choice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1504143]Now thats what I'm talking about! Thanks man.[/QUOTE]Not to rain on your parade, but a bit of perspective may be in order. You appear to be used to Colombianas. Colombia certainly has some of the most beautiful women in the world.

The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.

My point is that your $18 Beach Road ladies, the BJ experts on Soi 6, and almost any girl plying her trade in a Pattaya beer bar, will not hold a candle to your Colombianas. By all means have fun, but keep your expectations grounded in reality. The days of having a gorgeous go-go girl all night for $50 are long gone.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1504200]The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.[/QUOTE]I am not so sure about this. Maybe some deterioration due to pretty girls decisions to work Coyote instead. However look at your pics of bar girls you took in the distant past. Are they all stunning? In my case I think some were just not good enough. We get older and fussier.

I was always choosing the best lookers available to my taste. It's true there is a bit too much fake tits and noses these days. So I do see some deterioration but limited. Perhaps the number of girls with really well toned bodies has decreased but faces are similar to years ago.

I have been really happy with recent bargirls chosen except one, who really looked good but was a sea fish type of fuck. Even most newbie girls have shown good attitude. Older girls have been very expert.

When we are always choosing the best girl available, to our taste, its very hard to objectively assess the entire bunch.

I am arriving in Bangkok Thailand in a couple of weeks. Can someone living or staying in Bangkok give me an update on the protesting that is going on. Any info is greatly appreciated. Places to stay away from etc etc.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504200]Not to rain on your parade, but a bit of perspective may be in order. You appear to be used to Colombianas. Colombia certainly has some of the most beautiful women in the world.

The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.

My point is that your $18 Beach Road ladies, the BJ experts on Soi 6, and almost any girl plying her trade in a Pattaya beer bar, will not hold a candle to your Colombianas. By all means have fun, but keep your expectations grounded in reality. The days of having a gorgeous go-go girl all night for $50 are long gone.[/QUOTE]Correct you are. Sad it is.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504233]I have been really happy with recent bargirls chosen except one, who really looked good but was a sea fish type of fuck.[/QUOTE]I really hate the forum software. I tried to write "dead fish" and it got changed to "sea fish". Every time I write "Mamasan" it gets changed to "Mamas an". The software spelling masher is really ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504200]Not to rain on your parade, but a bit of perspective may be in order. You appear to be used to Colombianas. Colombia certainly has some of the most beautiful women in the world.

The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.

My point is that your $18 Beach Road ladies, the BJ experts on Soi 6, and almost any girl plying her trade in a Pattaya beer bar, will not hold a candle to your Colombianas. By all means have fun, but keep your expectations grounded in reality. The days of having a gorgeous go-go girl all night for $50 are long gone.[/QUOTE]I have been to Colombia multiple times and would return for sure. This being said I found that there, really good looking women of good attitude and available are few and in between. That even before considering money. Really the same as any other good destination.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1504200]The quality of the ladies working the bars in Thailand has dropped significantly in the past few years. Exceptions abound, but the general trend is clear.[/QUOTE]This is 100% true, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1504297]I have been to Colombia multiple times and would return for sure. This being said I found that there, really good looking women of good attitude and available are few and in between. That even before considering money. Really the same as any other good destination.[/QUOTE]In my experience Latin girls are the absolute best when it comes to average standard of service. Most seem to be well above average. Yes of course that is countered by not all of them being so stunning. Thai working girls in general possibly compete on looks, but lose on average standard of service.

I've had a lot of experience with latin women from all over. 9 times out of 10 the real lookers don't provide great service. But thats only true if its a quick fuck. Like the casas in Medellin.

If you hit it off with the provider, make her laugh and such. You might get really good service. On the other side the average or thick looking provider generally alway give great service. This rings true everywhere!

Looks like for my fisrt trip to asia well be phi and maybe a short trip to BKK. I'm going to go for 10 days. Should be enough time.

Thank you everyone for your intel!

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504349]In my experience Latin girls are the absolute best when it comes to average standard of service. Most seem to be well above average. Yes of course that is countered by not all of them being so stunning. Thai working girls in general possibly compete on looks, but lose on average standard of service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Juice1;1504274]I am arriving in Bangkok Thailand in a couple of weeks. Can someone living or staying in Bangkok give me an update on the protesting that is going on. Any info is greatly appreciated. Places to stay away from etc etc.[/QUOTE]What protesting? No protesting today. Check back tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504349]In my experience Latin girls are the absolute best when it comes to average standard of service. Most seem to be well above average. Yes of course that is countered by not all of them being so stunning. Thai working girls in general possibly compete on looks, but lose on average standard of service.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but these days, for looks / service / attitude / overall value for money, Mexico is a better choice.

I still regularly visit LOS but it's no longer for the bar scene.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;1504403]I've had a lot of experience with latin women from all over. 9 times out of 10 the real lookers don't provide great service. But thats only true if its a quick fuck. Like the casas in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Of you won't get good service for a quick fuck. Don't blame her looks.

[QUOTE]If you hit it off with the provider, make her laugh and such. You might get really good service. On the other side the average or thick looking provider generally alway give great service. This rings true everywhere![/QUOTE]Doesn't ring true for me. I don't try the really ugly ones so will never know how they perform. I am getting very good service from some lookers from various countries including latin girls. I have experienced very few latin girls that were able to give a bad service, unless was something like her BBBJ was too firm and toothy, but normally latin girls have good attitude and know how to move during sex.

Hello friends,

What is the concept behind go go bar.

How it is good for newbie.

What should we go for.

Today is father's day, King's Birthday, but bars are open. Was able to take Noi although she warned me she was at the end of her period.

Had to get her to remove the sponge ("lady guard") as I feel it only 3 inches deep in there and my dick is certainly a lot bigger than that. Some guys can fuck a girl with a sponge but I cannot. She is quite tight already normally.

Good session even though I had a few problems with a foot cramp and a bad tickle in the throat. She is a top girl and makes sure I have a good time no matter what. I didn't actually see any blood at all. She had thoroughly cleaned first.

Back to the bar for a few drinks after the ST. Mamasan is starting to hassle me too much. I make a note that I should not be nice to the mamasan or I won't be able to get rid of her. Mamasan soon goes back to her duties when the big boss is in. Bosses friend seems to like Noi too and is trying to get her. She probably is refusing some customers due to the period, thinking that most guys can't tolerate it.

A young handsome man has BFed another girl but then he spots Noi dancing nude, and is wanting to take Noi as well. However Noi normally refuses to do doubles. Her ass has that affect on guys. I notice that nearly all the best asses in the street are probably on the Coyote girls, although its tough to rate an ass properly when it is covered. DollHouse has 4 Coyote girls (better looking girls) that dance often out the front of the shop. I believe they are BFable although possibly 1K BF.

Noi is telling me that she is so unlucky because she has too many customers or potential customers, and has to knock some back. One of her customers did not even want her to work tonight, but she agreed to after I rang her at 6PM and was warned about the period remnants.

When I sit at the hamburger bar on the end of Cowboy I do see some real stunning girls go past at times some times with a man / customer. I often wonder which bar they came out of or are heading to.

Probably back to my Long Gun newbie Wip tomorrow to continue her training. She did not work today as wanted to do something special with her dad for father's day. I hope he doesn't find out that Wip got the money 90% by fucking me. When I first met her, I saw that her purse was completely empty. After two STs with me she could afford a family outing today. Wip does not have the same skills as Noi, but her attitude is good, chemistry is good and she is learning fast. I perform a service by helping to train up young girls LOL. Its fun work when the girl is also quite pretty.

Overall I am still liking Cowboy, and a few stunning girls are around, despite the prevalence of Coyote bars, and Ladyboy bars Cock-or-two and 5-Star (partial). Wish I had time to find out more about more of the bars and where all the hotties come from.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77; 1504403]I've had a lot of experience with latin women from all over. 9 times out of 10 the real lookers don't provide great service. But thats only true if its a quick fuck. Like the casas in Medellin.

Thank you everyone for your intel![/QUOTE]Medellin may be different but I've had some great experiences in Bogota! Looking forward to my first BKK trip next month!

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504441]Agreed. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but these days, for looks / service / attitude / overall value for money, Mexico is a better choice.

I still regularly visit LOS but it's no longer for the bar scene.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I have not been to Mexico since moving to LOS in the late 90s. Are you talking TX border towns?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1504563]Interesting. I have not been to Mexico since moving to LOS in the late 90s. Are you talking TX border towns?[/QUOTE]Believe it or not, Tijuana. I've never been to one of the TX border towns.

Most of the younger girls (18. 25) range from a 6 to a 9, prices for the bar girls are generally less than BKK, sometimes substantially so (although LT is much more difficult to arrange) and many of the girls are very good at what they do.

I pretty much stick to "older" semi-pro freelancers these days when visiting Tijuana. I find their company more enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504570]Believe it or not, Tijuana. I've never been to one of the TX border towns.

Most of the younger girls (18. 25) range from a 6 to a 9, prices for the bar girls are generally less than BKK, sometimes substantially so (although LT is much more difficult to arrange) and many of the girls are very good at what they do.

I pretty much stick to "older" semi-pro freelancers these days when visiting Tijuana. I find their company more enjoyable.[/QUOTE]I have been to Tijuana once many years ago. Was not very impressed at the time with the looks standard but could well have been in the wrong place. The language of the girls was very course making it all sound very low class.

Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.

As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.

Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.

Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.

If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.

Hey ho. .

JohnTheScot.

Ok,

Just really annoyed as I think last night and wanted to go.


[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1504631]Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.

As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.

Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.

Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.

If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.

Hey ho. .

JohnTheScot.

Ok, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504570]Believe it or not, Tijuana. I've never been to one of the TX border towns.

Most of the younger girls (18. 25) range from a 6 to a 9, prices for the bar girls are generally less than BKK, sometimes substantially so (although LT is much more difficult to arrange) and many of the girls are very good at what they do.

I pretty much stick to "older" semi-pro freelancers these days when visiting Tijuana. I find their company more enjoyable.[/QUOTE]Had great times in Juarez in the 90s. Other TX border towns as well. When I moved to BKK, in '99, BKK blew those places away for the most part. Now, meh, well not same same.

Nice thing about Tijuana is that you can live in San Diego.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504604]The language of the girls was very course making it all sound very low class.[/QUOTE]That is exactly the way I feel now when I hear a bunch of loud Isaan bar girls talking. Low class.

[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1504631]Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.

As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.

Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.

Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.

If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.

Hey ho. .

JohnTheScot.

Ok, [/QUOTE]What's eating you? The Thailand forum has always been filled with a lot of guys with huge negativity, and now you are a bit negative yourself. Most of us got used to that. Some other region forums are a lot better, some forums in other languages are also better.

Like you, I would like to see a lot more experience detail reports of guys having fun, where they had it, and with who, and why it was so good. Not all can be expert writers like Kumbu. Guys who write detailed reports often get knocked by the snipers. E. G. Scorchin's needless snipe at Skogis detail report, when he writes so much twaddle himself and very little experience detail that would even hint he is actually in Thailand having live experiences.

Your last statement "If you talk it." seems to be contradicting everything previous. Seems to suggest if guys had an interesting experience, they should not write about it, as everything written is just fantasy. Perhaps that wasn't your meaning? I also get surprised by high volume of posts from guys that are not actually here, perhaps some have been here recently. My posting drops away dramatically when I am not here as have no experiences to report.

Anyway let's all try to set a good example with detailed experience reports, that may help on where to find a good time mongering. I certainly try to, although I get boring due to repeating similar girls many times.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504604]I have been to Tijuana once many years ago. Was not very impressed at the time with the looks standard but could well have been in the wrong place. The language of the girls was very course making it all sound very low class.[/QUOTE]Dude! You were in a bar. Did you expect genteel conversation from Mexican hookers? :-D LOL.

Just yanking your chain a bit. Yes, the Spanish is a bit coarse, but the Thai in Nana Plaza is certainly no better.

These days, many of the semi-pros leave their Thai sisters in the dust, looks-wise. Also, these days, the girls in the Hong Kong club put the Thai girls to shame in looks and dancing ability. As with all places, the service levels with the hotties varies all over the place.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1504655]Had great times in Juarez in the 90s. Other TX border towns as well. When I moved to BKK, in '99, BKK blew those places away for the most part. Now, meh, well not same same.

Nice thing about Tijuana is that you can live in San Diego.[/QUOTE]Juarez is a war zone now. The murder rate is just staggering.

My first trip to BKK was in '99 and, yes, there was absolutely nothing in Tijuana that came close to Thailand. But, the worm appears to have turned, or is in the process of doing so. I try to keep things in perspective, and I hate the guys that sit around and tell you how much better things were in the old days. BKK is still fun, but it seems a lot of the "sanuk" has gone out of the scene.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504441]Agreed. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but these days, for looks / service / attitude / overall value for money, Mexico is a better choice.
[/quote]As you pointed out that is an huge statement. My last time in Tijuana was unbearable, the misery and predatory attitude is really hard to deal with. Sure Mexico is bigger than that but knowing what the cost of life is I don't see how one can compare to Thailand. You can have a great night out for $100, that is not much in Mexico. There are no clean $15 guesthouses but there is a lot more drugs and violence


Then there are so many things I can't stand, and I speak almost perfect spanish. Yes the exoticism of Thailand has faded for me too but still better than most other places.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1504667]Also, these days, the girls in the Hong Kong club put the Thai girls to shame in looks and dancing ability. As with all places, the service levels with the hotties varies all over the place.[/QUOTE]What girls in what Hong Kong clubs?

[QUOTE=Pita123;1504698]What girls in what Hong Kong clubs?[/QUOTE]It seems the debate here is BKK vs. Tijuana (where the Hong Kong club is).

With no flaming intention I think it gets endless if we start to compare one place with. Thousand of other ones. If not why not comparing with Macau, with Singapore, with NYC, with Rio, Shangai, KL, nd so on and so on.

[quote=phordphan; 1504667]dude! you were in a bar. did you expect genteel conversation from mexican hookers? :-d lol.

just yanking your chain a bit. yes, the spanish is a bit coarse, but the thai in nana plaza is certainly no better.

these days, many of the semi-pros leave their thai sisters in the dust, looks-wise. also, these days, the girls in the hong kong club put the thai girls to shame in looks and dancing ability. as with all places, the service levels with the hotties varies all over the place.[/quote]i don't speak spanish. the english was ugly from those mexican girls. you know the "fuck fucky sucky sucky" type of stuff. thai girls speech is a more refined when they speak english, and even more so when the speak thai.

i think looks thing varies depending on personal taste. hong kong looks are usually not for me.

i have seen some georgous mex girls in movies although none seem to be very well known except maybe salma hayek (who is not really my spec) , but not so many in tijuana.

anyway, in the end, thailand is so different, its not worth comparing to mexico, i'm sure. comparison to other parts of asia makes more sense. thai girls working in europe for same prices as european girls, are still popular since they are known for good gfe service. chinese girls working in europe are generally a lot less popular due to ordinary looks and service. the good looking ones are somewhere else.

I am amazed at how many recent posts on this thread are only very peripherally relayed to Bangkok, Thailand.

I thought there were other threads available to talk about HK, Tijuana, Mexico in general etc.

As someone who wants information about BKK prior to my next visit, I struggle to glean adequate updates from RTFF (recent posts). At least there was some recent updates about Cowboy.

Rather sadly this thread, as well as the threads about MPs, seem to be rather off-topic.

Perhaps it's posters' way of saying BKK is dead right now and they have to chat on about other places or days gone by in order to keep the thread active?

It is not a stupid or pointless debate at all. It's an unavoidable conondrum when you want a sure good outcome for your trip.

It also funny to debate because the cultures are ar their exact opposites rhen you find the unexpected similarity. For example rhe 100 pipers whiskey I have only found popular in Thailand and Argentina, WTF?

Years ago I was sitting with Jackson in Buenos Aires commenting on the smelly shithole that Asia was. Guess where I am now.

All I say is that if you have been to a place but not the other, you should really stimulates your senses with a chanve.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1504710]I am amazed at how many recent posts on this thread are only very peripherally relayed to Bangkok, Thailand.

I thought there were other threads available to talk about HK, Tijuana, Mexico in general etc.

As someone who wants information about BKK prior to my next visit, I struggle to glean adequate updates from RTFF (recent posts). At least there was some recent updates about Cowboy.

Rather sadly this thread, as well as the threads about MPs, seem to be rather off-topic.

Perhaps it's posters' way of saying BKK is dead right now and they have to chat on about other places or days gone by in order to keep the thread active?[/QUOTE]Sorry if the forum does not respond to your expectations but what is that you want exactly? And where are you?

You have daily updates and the general situation by going back just few pages. Or you think we can describe howw each Thai lady pussy looks, smell and costs? Go ahead do your findings spend your money then report or move but don'f whine if few postings are not just about your daily fix.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1504669]Juarez is a war zone now. The murder rate is just staggering.

My first trip to BKK was in '99 and, yes, there was absolutely nothing in Tijuana that came close to Thailand. But, the worm appears to have turned, or is in the process of doing so. I try to keep things in perspective, and I hate the guys that sit around and tell you how much better things were in the old days. BKK is still fun, but it seems a lot of the "sanuk" has gone out of the scene.[/QUOTE]Yep, the "sanuk" is gone. Much of that due to the social order crackdown and the better economy, oh and there are a lot more young farang dudes around as well.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1504702]It seems the debate here is BKK vs. Tijuana[/QUOTE]Apples and Oranges!

[QUOTE=Marcos;1504715]Sorry if the forum does not respond to your expectations but what is that you want exactly?[/QUOTE]A bit of overkill in your response Marcos. You must have extra testosterone to burn off.

All I did was draw attention, albeit politely, to the creeping "off-topic' nature of the various Thailand boards. I was merely perplexed that guys wanted to discuss the ins and outs of other places on the BKK board when threads about those destinations are available elsewhere.

What do I want exactly?

Just up-to-date stories and anecdotes, experiences (good and bad) , information, details, etc that relate to Bangkok. Not an unreasonable expectation to have for a board headed "Bangkok Reports"

The other threads that I follow in addition to Thailand (HK, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia and Mongolia) tend to stick to topic far better but anyway, it's no big deal. Posters will still do whatever they want.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1504715]Sorry if the forum does not respond to your expectations but what is that you want exactly? And where are you?

You have daily updates and the general situation by going back just few pages. Or you think we can describe howw each Thai lady pussy looks, smell and costs? Go ahead do your findings spend your money then report or move but don'f whine if few postings are not just about your daily fix.[/QUOTE]From my side I wish to read infos on BKK.

If I want to read about Tijuana I go on the Tijuana forums.

If somebody wants to debate about Tijuana vs BKK he should address this in the Thailand general thread but as I said, then we should also debtae BKKK vs. Singapore, vs macau and so on and so on.

Diluting the specific information on the thread title will favour the class managers to whom we answer RTFF: what the hell will they learn by RTFF if it is "polluted" by references on Tijuana?

As an alterntive one can always opne his own "user forum" and can open a debate of whatsoever topic

Hopefully many more Japanese will soon be pulling out of the NEP & SC gogos, Bangkok & LOS in general:

[url]http://news.asiaone.com/news/asia/thai-unrest-has-japanese-firms-worried-about-future[/url]

"Unstable government, flooding, minute decisions on immigration and other important matters, crime, higher wages. The list goes on and on. Unless someone responsible takes control the gravy train will come to a stop. Too many other countries with open arms."

"New minimum wage that is far above what people in Cambodia or Myanmar or Vietnam are paid, and there is the perfect storm.

"Many see those Vietnamese girls as absolutely stunning. Perhaps the sexiest in SEA. The Japanese men can easily make due with eager Viet girls. No worries."

"Would be interesting to see if countries such as Japan shift out of Thailand due to the lapdog status of Thailand with regards to China. If so, that is going to cost Thailand big time. If you are close friends with a bully, people tend to avoid you. I suspect Cambodia, Myanmar, and Vietnam are rubbing their hands with glee. And yes, Vietnam girls are stunning. The Japanese mid level workers will be fighting to be posted there for work.

"And if the Thais are going to continue being best buddies with Beijing, the Japanese are likely to take their business to places where the government isn't in bed with the Japan-hating CCP.

"And if that happens, bye bye civilized Thailand, Hello again 3rd world country"

"If they continue to reinvest in Thailand and trust the Thai promises, they are fools."

How well do guys manage with Bangkok bargirls, if they have no English at all?

I mean if the bargirl cannot even say "How much will you pay me?" can it all be done with sign language, or is a mamasan needed to translate and help reach an agreement?

I suspect my newbie bargirl probably doesn't even know what a "Blow Job" is (in English that is) , although sign language could work okay. We actually had a very nice 69. Fortunately with me there is no problem, as we converse in Thai only. However I worry how she will cope with other customers. I have established that she likes sex though.

I already worry though that she is getting too attached, as on good-bye today she suggested I should avoid playing up with other ladies. Ha Ha! Not the first time have heard this from a bargirl LOL. I also worry that I should teach this girl a lot of things that are useful for bargirls to know.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504831]How well do guys manage with Bangkok bargirls, if they have no English at all? I already worry though that she is getting too attached, as on good-bye today she suggested I should avoid playing up with other ladies. Ha Ha! Not the first time have heard this from a bargirl LOL. I also worry that I should teach this girl a lot of things that are useful for bargirls to know.[/QUOTE]Buy her the English for Thai bar girls handbook! And teach her first the word butterfly.

[QUOTE=JohnnieBravo;1501790]The novelty is exactly why I would go for a haircut with some type of massage or sexual activity to go along with it, Chinaton hookers? Please do share I was not aware of this previously do you have any details?[/QUOTE]Sorry for the late reply.

As for Chinatown, there are tons of street hookers around Wong Wian 22 (the traffic circle) , and Mit Phan / Maitri Chit roads going from it, and then Charoen Krung for the small stretch from Mit Phan corner. All times of day or night. Going rate 300-600. See map: [url]http://goo.gl/maps/NCZ26[/url]

The area around Phadung Dao (the busy street with open-air seafood places on the corner with Yaowarat) also has quite a few sex workers, especially in the small side street to the right (going from Yaowarat). More active in the daytime. Broadway hotel (right beside / behind the corner seafood place, see [url]http://goo.gl/maps/uLAHF[/url]) has Chinese hookers (going rate: 400).

Another major low-budget area is south of Rachadamnoen Road (parallel with Khao San Road) [url]http://goo.gl/maps/r72ua.[/url]

None of these are set up for Farang, service tends to be abysmal and ST rooms dinky & unclean. You almost certainly won't enjoy the sex, but you might get some thrills from the hunt.

As for a haircut sex place, that's not really a Thai thing (more like Vietnamese / Korean) , but for the record, I've been offered sex at a hairdresser on Sutthisan Road 100m from Phaya Thai Road intersection (near the Thai-oriented naughty bar area). Haven't tried.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1504878]Buy her the English for Thai bar girls handbook! And teach her first the word butterfly.[/QUOTE]Thanks good idea. I had forgotten that book.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1504688]As you pointed out that is an huge statement. My last time in Tijuana was unbearable, the misery and predatory attitude is really hard to deal with. Sure Mexico is bigger than that but knowing what the cost of life is I don't see how one can compare to Thailand. You can have a great night out for $100, that is not much in Mexico. There are no clean $15 guesthouses but there is a lot more drugs and violence.

Then there are so many things I can't stand, and I speak almost perfect spanish. Yes the exoticism of Thailand has faded for me too but still better than most other places.[/QUOTE]When was the last time you were there? 2008 and 2009 were some pretty dark days, indeed. Much of that was due to the USA but that's another story. But now the economy is much better than before and Tijuana has really reinvented itself. It's now a serious foodie destination (who knew?) , the "regular" nightlife is a lot of very reasonably priced fun, there are a lot of freelancers and semi-pros around. It's certainly not BKK but you'd be surprised if you saw it today.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1504702]It seems the debate here is BKK vs. Tijuana (where the Hong Kong club is).

With no flaming intention I think it gets endless if we start to compare one place with. Thousand of other ones. If not why not comparing with Macau, with Singapore, with NYC, with Rio, Shangai, KL, nd so on and so on.[/QUOTE]The original point was not to compare BKK and Tijuana. I've been a fan of LOS for many years. My point to Mr. Goat was that, value for money, Tijuana is now a better option than BKK, as least as far as p4p goes. I happen to live in SoCal. Obviously if I lived in Europe things would be different. I never thought I'd ever think that. But both places have changed. A lot. IMHO the looks, service and value in the BKK bars have declined to the point that I don't go to them anymore. I still go to LOS regularly, just not for the bars.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1504707]I think looks thing varies depending on personal taste. Hong Kong looks are usually not for me.[/QUOTE]Just a quick clarification. The Hong Kong club is a large strip club in Tijuana's red light district. It's basically an American strip club that plays by Mexican contact rules. Lots of very pretty girls dancing and running around in various states of undress. Lots of touching, groping, etc, for a $1 tip. I'm not big on strip clubs, but if one likes them, there are few anywhere that can compare.

It's a bit like the go-gos in BKK used to be 10 or 15 years ago.

Hey folks. Arriving in Bangkok on Sunday afternoon. Staying in Fraser Suits on Soi 11. So will be hanging round the usual haunts, Beergarden, Nana, Cowboy etc. Would be cool to meet up with some guys for a few beers to start my trip off. Not a newbie so you don't have to look after me. Haha.

John

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1504972]I still go to LOS regularly, just not for the bars.[/QUOTE]I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1504985]I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.[/QUOTE]Hey Goat,

Where are these craft beer bars you speak of. I am probably going to just be using oilies myself, so a good beer place would be great to find. Sorry to be off topic.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1504985]I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.[/QUOTE]Would you mind sharing with the group where those two types of places are? I'll be making my first trip to BKK in a couple of weeks, and of course will spend a couple days taking in the normal Cowboy and Nana sights, but would love to partake in some of the great places you've found.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1504985]I live here and think I have been in Cowboy once this year. The bars are overpriced and no fun. If I want to shag, I go to an oily. If I want to drink, I go out to places where I can see really great looking women or a couple of places where I can get good craft beer.[/QUOTE]Each to their own. The bars give me a great opportunity to look at a large line up of girls naked, check the chemistry, and select a girl that will be a real turn on. Other than long term favourites, its a bit difficult to find girls that look as good in the oilies, and you cannot see the bodies properly either. It costs slightly more than an Oily, but am having some fun. I will often instead go to a soapy when I know I can get a superior looking girl, even though may be costing me.

E. G. For me for a long time at Mango, Cat was the only one cute enough to consider. So my problem is I just don't want to fuck ordinary looking girls. They need to be well above average.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1505042]Each to their own. The bars give me a great opportunity to look at a large line up of girls naked, check the chemistry, and select a girl that will be a real turn on. Other than long term favourites, its a bit difficult to find girls that look as good in the oilies, and you cannot see the bodies properly either. It costs slightly more than an Oily, but am having some fun. I will often instead go to a soapy when I know I can get a superior looking girl, even though may be costing me.

E. G. For me for a long time at Mango, Cat was the only one cute enough to consider. So my problem is I just don't want to fuck ordinary looking girls. They need to be well above average.[/QUOTE]I do find soapy girls to have superior looks, but I find almost nothing I like in gogos. Most of the gals there are a bit too "jungle" for my liking. I prefer lighter skin and just not a fan of the Isaan look. I also find the behavior of the gals in the gogos to be a bit of a turn off. Last thing I want to do is sit and attempt to interact with a gal who finished the Po 6 or 6th grade. Also as my Thai gets better and better, I find their banter amazingly irritating. But, as you said, to each his own.

I like to go, grab a gal, head up, have a nasty 90 min and then leave. I get my interaction with my girlfriend.

A large percentage of the gals in the oilies come from Isaan as well, but from Nakhon Panom where the girls are a bit fairer due to the Lao and I believe a bit of Viet influence.

Given a choice I would always opt for gals from CNX or BKK.

My Long Gun girl was away sick, Doll House girl busy, and Crazy House girl not at work. I liked another girl at Long Gun but she seemed to have a customer already.

For something different I went into Shark today. Its similar to Baccara girls but worse I think. Mostly lighter skin girls. A lot of post-op girls in there that look like ladyboys. Many with strange noses trying to look like Farangs. A lot of girls very plain or ugly to my taste. Some awful boob jobs too. It admittedly was 11PM which is a bit late but only saw about 3 or 4 girls that had acceptable pretty and natural looks. Called one over for a chat with very white skin. She was Isaan girl from Roi Et and claimed it was her very first day so did not know that much. Did not look that special close up but apparently all natural. She had bad breath which put me off pretty quickly.

Nearly went into Cowboy 2 and then realised it must be a Coyote bar. Had a quick look in Rawhide and the talent was total shit so left quickly. It seems there are very limited bars to suit my taste, and quite limited girls in those bars as well. So probably less than 3% of Cowboy girls are too my liking in looks. However of better days I can still find a girl I like. Not today. Arrived too late most likely. I did like the looks of a few girls working front of house at certain bars.

I am not concerned about girls skin colour. Only that they be really pretty and there are few of those. It is getting tough these days being very fussy.

As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?

[QUOTE=Talion;1505260]As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?[/QUOTE]Protests? What protests? No, not at all other than keeping tourists away. High season doesn't feel very high this year and lots of girls I talk to are saying things are tough. Go-go's I visit are generally empty other than a couple of the big ones, beer bars have way more girls than customers and the streets are actually quite walkable. Good time to be here.

[QUOTE=Beer Monger; 1505007]Hey Goat,

Where are these craft beer bars you speak of. I am probably going to just be using oilies myself, so a good beer place would be great to find. Sorry to be off topic.[/QUOTE]Great username, Beer Monger! Reminds me of good times mongering around the world. Duvel in San Jose, Costa Rica. Fine craft beer in Amsterdam after a visit to the RLD. Even Bangkok has a beer scene apart from Singha and Leo.

Try Brew Beers & Ciders, on Thong Lor. Not so far from all the oil massage places on Sukhumwit 24 and 24/1, and in the same neighborhood as Tulip. Just a short cab ride away. Great selection.

The Roadhouse in the Silom area has a decent selection. Black Swan, which is a 5 minute walk from Soi Cowboy, has Green King IPA, which is fairly rare for Thailand. HOBS (House of Beers) is another name that comes up a lot, though I haven't tried it yet. There are plenty of options, though the good beers aren't cheap.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Talion;1505260]Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of?[/QUOTE]It's not a threat to your safety. The protests are centered around government buildings. You'd have to go way out of your way (an hour or more in typical traffic) to reach the protests, and most of them haven't been violent.

My last night is tomorrow Monday and I'd like to meet some of you guys for going out to selected places in search for the best. Even if we had differed on opinions that doesn't matter, we can surely shake hands. PM with your number, cheers.

[QUOTE=]Convenience of going from one place to the other for service. I like to do multiple pops a day.[/QUOTE]For the paripatetic punter there is no better venue than Pattaya. The three main naughty boy hangouts (Walking Street, Soi 6 and Soi LK Metro) are very close to each other. If you're feeling energetic you can easily walk back and forth. If you're not the baht buses are cheap and convenient. There are over a dozen places to choose from on Walking Street and along Soi 6, with almost that many on Soi LK Metro. You can take girls back to your room, to a short time hotel or do the deed on the premises (Soi 6).

Bunky

[QUOTE=Beer Monger; 1505007]Hey Goat,

Where are these craft beer bars you speak of. I am probably going to just be using oilies myself, so a good beer place would be great to find. Sorry to be off topic.[/QUOTE]Beer Vault on Suk 15 in the 4 Points Sheraton would be the closest to the "zone."

I've now been in Thailand for a few days, and have experienced some of what Bangkok has to offer. I skipped the sexytimes for the first day or so, then jumped in with both feet.

Angel witch, Nana entertainment plaza.

The other night I walked around Nana out of interest, and decided to go in and check out Angel Witch. I heard it had good quality shows. In short, yes. I was very impressed by the girls there. A girl asked me if I wanted. Something. She was gesturing at her mouth, so I'm not sure if she was asking if I want a drink with her, or whether I want a blowjob. She wasn't particularly interesting, so I politely declined either offer. Just after that she went on stage. She made some effort to catch my eye, but I was looking more at the cutie next to her. Very cute face, with a gorgeous body except the very fake looking bolt-ons. At one point she did the same dick / drink gesture from the stage, and I declined again. So she made the dick / drink gesture while pointing to her cutie neighbour. I made a more positive "well. Maybe." face and she smiled and tapped her friend's shoulder, who smiled happily and came over to chat.

The girl's name was Tata. I hope. Or possibly Titi? Tita? I should really remember this, considering. Anyway, I thought she was really very cute, and no less so when she bounced over. We chatted for a bit and she was surprisingly entertaining. Told me how everything worked, how much everything costs, what the deal is, etc. She was chatty and likeable and flirty. She suggested she'd like me to barfine her (of course) and we came back to the hotel. The sex was very good, passionate and fun. I enjoyed it, and I think she did too. She was only able to do short time tonight, but she said she'd like to do a longtime stay another night.

I don't know whether my standards or tastes are different to others, but I'd have barfined quite a few of the Angel Witch dancers. I don't particularly prefer the lighter skin, dark is nice too, and I find myself more attracted to "likeable and natural" than some sort of slamming hottie.

Price all-up was not too bad. I didn't feel like I was being gouged or treated like an ATM. I tipped, more than I should have because I didn't have a lot of different notes on me. A lesson learned.

Afterwards I was still. Up for something. So.

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Cherry massage, somewhere.

I didn't really have a concept of where this was, and was surprised to find it in an alley full of other similar venues. All the young skimpily dressed women out the front are sort of a giveaway. Apple Massage was here, one I've heard of. Wrong fruit, though.

I saw Cherry, started walking in, a few girls saw me and smiled. Got in, dude gave me a book, etc. This was the middle of the day, by the way, so it was pretty quiet.

Handed the book I picked Lily, because she seemed pleasant. She was a bit older than her photo suggested, and not a small girl. Curvy. Probably a bit older and a bit curvier than most guys, but I like pretty much anything.

Massage was good, Lily was saying she was actually a masseuse previously. Like, a legit one. She gave a great massage. She was nice, fun, enthusiastic. Said she came several times, which may or may not be true. There was nothing unusual to report about the session, just some nice oral, mutual oral, good sex. She was surprised and disappointed by the amount of cum in the condom, but after the day before I was a little drained.

I enjoyed the session, and the price was good for the service.

Oh, it was both mine and her first Nuru session. Neither of us particularly enjoyed it, but she said that other girls are better at the B2B stuff than her.

Highly recommend the place, or at very least the girl. A fun time.

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Are there any good alternatives to the gogo bars in Bangkok? Usually when I visit I find somebody in Soi Cowboy or Nana, but I was trying to come up with an alternative source for my next trip. My problem is that I only come for fairly short visits (of about 10 days) once or twice a year, I am quite picky, I really only like very pretty girls, and ideally I am looking for someone who speaks good English, and who would be prepared to do LT rather than ST. A knockout student aged about 21 to 24 with no boyfriend would be ideal! But I guess my age is not exactly in my favour when looking for this type of girl (I am early 50s, but fairly well preserved) , although on the 'positive' side I am willing to pay gogo bar equivalent rates, as long as the price is not astronomical.

I guess what I am talking about is discos, non-girly bars, or perhaps using websites. I appreciate that my requirements are probably similar to most other guys, but if anybody has got any suggestions I would be most grateful.

And yes I have read the forum, but I could not really find the answer to my particular 'problem'!

[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1505720]Are there any good alternatives to the gogo bars in Bangkok?

And yes I have read the forum, but I could not really find the answer to my particular 'problem'![/QUOTE]If you had read often enough, you would have a fair idea. Asking for the world and wanting it at a good price, seems a little contradictory. I would be tending to recommend Gentlemen clubs like Pegasus or Escorts to get girls that good, but they might be too expensive. Girls that meet your difficult specs may well be closely guarded secrets.

I would suggest you try an excellent English speaker like Bo at Cherry, and see if you get on very well and then see if the girl can do LT outcall or not. Might depend on the chemistry. Annies possibly has some good English speakers, available for LT outcall, but I don't know who they are (English is not a requirement for me).

LT is available still at gogos, so if you find the right girl there, gogos are still a good option. Again I know little about English speaking abilities.

[QUOTE=Talion;1505260]As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?[/QUOTE]This sums it up:

"A nuclear bomb or bubonic plague will not keep the sex tourists away. The Chinese might get a bit jittery over the prospect of civil unrest. The Russian tour companies have already warned they might redirect tourists. I'm waiting for the bombs to start going off in Bangkok."

[QUOTE=Talion;1505260]As someone who is arriving soon I'm interested in knowing whether the recent civil unrest is impacting the scene at all. Are the protests compromising any of the working areas or numbers of working girls? Is there any element of danger beyond the normal to be aware of? I'm actually kind of surprised that no one has chimed in on this, although I did see the question earlier I didn't see any response. Anybody have any comments?[/QUOTE]I was in BKK this weekend and the ladies are without customers. Many have not been serviced for days and are extremely horny and very hungry. Worth the risk of getting stuck.

Anyone know what the deal is with regular massage places?

I mean more the local ones outside of lower sukhumvit.

First all of a sudden when I'd ask for a thai massage it was like I insulted them.

And they tried to give me a man or a ladyboy instead of a woman.

I thought maybe they were trying to force farangs into getting oily massages.

Seemed like it was some type of a new policy enacted by the owners.

Now a lot of them are removing oil massages from the menu and have replaced them with "aromatherapy", which is often like 400-500 baht, which is a lot at a crappy little place.

Are a lot of them owned by the same people?

I like to get thai massages regularly at lots of different places, and like a nice pretty lady and will sometimes go for extras if the mood is right.

But now that they're trying to hassle me into paying more or threatening to give me men or some old sea hag they found in the basement, I'm going much less

I honestly don't like being lathered with oil that won't come off my skin in the shower and then gets all over my clothes

That's all very good to know. Thanks for the comments guys. See you in BKK shortly!

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1505924]Anyone know what the deal is with regular massage places?
I mean more the local ones outside of lower sukhumvit.
First all of a sudden when I'd ask for a thai massage it was like I insulted them.
And they tried to give me a man or a ladyboy instead of a woman.
I thought maybe they were trying to force farangs into getting oily massages.
Seemed like it was some type of a new policy enacted by the owners.
Now a lot of them are removing oil massages from the menu and have replaced them with "aromatherapy", which is often like 400-500 baht, which is a lot at a crappy little place. Are a lot of them owned by the same people?
I like to get thai massages regularly at lots of different places, and like a nice pretty lady and will sometimes go for extras if the mood is right.
But now that they're trying to hassle me into paying more or threatening to give me men or some old sea hag they found in the basement, I'm going much less I honestly don't like being lathered with oil that won't come off my skin in the shower and then gets all over my clothes[/QUOTE]Your post is not making much sense to me. It reads more like you were drunk at the time IMHO. No one is "forcing" you to take oil or aroma or anything. Do you want a real massage or not? If so, why not choose a more classy place? There is no clue as what place you are referring to. This thread is mostly for mongering advice, but the question about good non-sexual massage places has been raised many times before in this and the General thread.

I guess you are wanting a very sexy hot girl but still claim you want a real massage? Ha Ha! Its possible but ain't so likely. Its likely that you will just be considered to be one big hassle. So even if I know a girl who is both a great masseuse and great for sex, I don't want her to have to put up with you deciding you don't want a full servicing.

I suggest you lose the curiosity about hundreds of shitty massage places and try to choose some good recommended ones. Understand the Mongering shops generally do not appreciate customers that just want a straight massage, also proper Thai Massage places do not appreciate the ladies being molested. You really should decide what it is that you want. You can pay the full all inclusive price (for sex too) and then not take the sex if you want, but you might get a crappy massage. Perhaps someone else will understand your sentiment better and have a great shop to suggest that is undecided if it is legit massage or not.

Chavala Suk Soi 34 is/was a place to get a reasonable massage where molesting the girls is more or less expected but no full sex unless somehow you can manage it without taking the girls shorts off (unless it has changed over the years). I visited this place more than 20 years ago and seems to be still there.

[QUOTE=MongerVirgin;1505914]I was in BKK this weekend and the ladies are without customers. Many have not been serviced for days and are extremely horny and very hungry. Worth the risk of getting stuck.[/QUOTE]Leaving BKK this weekend the taxi driver pointed to all the ladies sitting at shop fronts on Soi 23 ' "you want massage? Too mut lady no work because of plotect (protests) no tourist"

Would have loved to stay longer but was worried about the planned "biggest demonstration ever that will bring BKK to a standstill" supposed to have happened today (Monday 9th). What was the situation like on the ground?

[QUOTE=Bartchamdo; 1505375]Great username, Beer Monger!

Enjoy![/QUOTE]Thanks Bart and Goat. That should keep me entertained between sessions. Full reports will be forthcoming when I visit next month. Price of the beer is not a problem as I will be on expenses, at least for that part. Need to figure out if I should pay for a membership so I can PM you two to join me for a beer. Again, less a matter of cost than logistics.

Many thanks, Syzygies, for your most helpful and constructive reply.

If any other members have any alternative suggestions they would be most welcome. Just to clarify, my post was to some extent intended to be lighthearted, I am not actually expecting to meet a future Miss World with a degree in modern languages, I am simply trying to find out if there are any alternatives to gogo bars, where I might hope to find girls approaching similar quality, and who are prepared to stay LT, and preferably who can speak a bit of English, without it costing me far more than it would in Nana or Soi Cowboy (because obviously that would defeat the object of the exercise) , and bearing in mind the added restriction that I only visit Thailand occasionally and for relatively short stays (typically 10 days each time) , therefore I am not really in a position to spend a great deal of time making and maintaining a network of contacts. I am not really interested in the 'mature' end of the market, neither am I very interested with massage places.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1505822]I would be tending to recommend Gentlemen clubs like Pegasus or Escorts to get girls that good, but they might be too expensive.

I would suggest you try an excellent English speaker like Bo at Cherry, and see if you get on very well and then see if the girl can do LT outcall or not. Might depend on the chemistry. Annies possibly has some good English speakers, available for LT outcall, but I don't know who they are (English is not a requirement[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Altered Ego; 1505720]Are there any good alternatives to the gogo bars in Bangkok? Usually when I visit I find somebody in Soi Cowboy or Nana, but I was trying to come up with an alternative source for my next trip. My problem is that I only come for fairly short visits (of about 10 days) once or twice a year, I am quite picky, I really only like very pretty girls, and ideally I am looking for someone who speaks good English, and who would be prepared to do LT rather than ST. A knockout student aged about 21 to 24 with no boyfriend would be ideal! But I guess my age is not exactly in my favour when looking for this type of girl (I am early 50s, but fairly well preserved) , although on the 'positive' side I am willing to pay gogo bar equivalent rates, as long as the price is not astronomical.

I guess what I am talking about is discos, non-girly bars, or perhaps using websites. I appreciate that my requirements are probably similar to most other guys, but if anybody has got any suggestions I would be most grateful.

And yes I have read the forum, but I could not really find the answer to my particular 'problem'![/QUOTE]I agree with Syzgies, it would be worth your while to read the thread closer. There are nightclubs where a high proportion of hookers hang out, like CM2. I've been away from the scene too long to know the others but a careful reading of this forum will point you toward them. You will likely find some attractive English speakers, although not necessarily any better than, say, the cream of the crop at Rainbow, and not necessarily students. Doing LT should not be a problem, although you should ask first if she's an obvious pro. The really hot ones will want more than gogo equivalent rates. The last one I pulled, a couple of years ago at CM2, cost 6000 Baht although she stayed until I had to kick her out the next afternoon.

The best dating site is [url]www.thailovelinks.com.[/url]

Many thanks Tiny, that's extremely helpful.

If any other members have any further suggestions I would be most grateful.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12; 1506022]I agree with Syzgies, it would be worth your while to read the thread closer. There are nightclubs where a high proportion of hookers hang out, like CM2. I've been away from the scene too long to know the others but a careful reading of this forum will point you toward them. You will likely find some attractive English speakers, although not necessarily any better than, say, the cream of the crop at Rainbow, and not necessarily students. Doing LT should not be a problem, although you should ask first if she's an obvious pro. The really hot ones will want more than gogo equivalent rates. The last one I pulled, a couple of years ago at CM2, cost 6000 Baht although she stayed until I had to kick her out the next afternoon.

The best dating site is.

[url]www.thailovelinks.com.[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1505980]Your post is not making much sense to me. It reads more like you were drunk at the time IMHO. No one is "forcing" you to take oil or aroma or anything. Do you want a real massage or not? If so, why not choose a more classy place? There is no clue as what place you are referring to. This thread is mostly for mongering advice, but the question about good non-sexual massage places has been raised many times before in this and the General thread.[/QUOTE]I mean regular Thai massage shops that you see on many streets. Not special oily places.

Now when they see a farang come in they try to force me to get an "aromatherapy" massage when I just want a Thai massage with a female masseuse.

Policy started in 2012.

[QUOTE=Beer Monger;1506001]Thanks Bart and Goat. That should keep me entertained between sessions. Full reports will be forthcoming when I visit next month. Price of the beer is not a problem as I will be on expenses, at least for that part. Need to figure out if I should pay for a membership so I can PM you two to join me for a beer. Again, less a matter of cost than logistics.[/QUOTE]Yep, get a membership.

Guys,

I have been reading this forum intently as I've got my first visit to BKK coming up. I'll have a short layover there. Basically, I'll be free from around 10 am in the morning until around 6 pm in the evening.

From reading many of the posts here, my impression is that most of the bars don't really get hopping until much later in the night.

Is it possible to have any luck visiting these fine establishments during the day from around 10 am until around 6 pm? I have to leave for the airport at 6 pm, so that's the time I have to be finished and on my way to the airport.

What time do these bars usually start hopping? I read this forum plenty far back but didn't see an answer to my question.

Many thanks for your kind advice.

[QUOTE=Evianist; 1506094]I mean regular Thai massage shops that you see on many streets. Not special oily places.

Now when they see a farang come in they try to force me to get an "aromatherapy" massage when I just want a Thai massage with a female masseuse.

Policy started in 2012.[/QUOTE]Ladies learnt that by adding some sex delivery they can earn more, from 500 onward, as in oilies. They don't get much when they do a traditional massage and the tip will be minimal, if there is a tip. Giving a HJ or a bit more will give the opportunity to earn a more secure and higher tip with little effort. Oily massage gives more opportunities to hands to browse in a nice way over the body or the skin. Didn't you notice that a good HJ gives better results with oil or cream than a mere dry wanking (whoever does it)?

[QUOTE=MisterQuickie;1506132]I have been reading this forum intently as I've got my first visit to BKK coming up. I'll have a short layover there. Basically, I'll be free from around 10 am in the morning until around 6 pm in the evening. From reading many of the posts here, my impression is that most of the bars don't really get hopping until much later in the night.[/QUOTE]Many Oily massage places that get discussed in Massage thread will be open in the daytime and also Annies. There are daytime bars with girls available on Sukhumvit Soi 4 within 50 metres of main road such as "Morning Night","Big Dog", etc. Girls will take you to nearby short time Hotel where you pay for a room for up to 2 hours max. There is also Biergarten of Sukhumvit Soi 7.

[QUOTE=Altered Ego;1506018]I am not really interested in the 'mature' end of the market, neither am I very interested with massage places.[/QUOTE]Why not? I am not interested in massage in the slightest. I don't go there for a massage. I only go to get a good sex session with a good quality girl. There are not so many top quality, but a few. The odd massage girl of quality is capable of acting like an escort girl (okay not many are this good) outside the establishment, but a lot cheaper. I once took an MP girl on holiday 3 or 4 days to Krabi and Phi Phi Island. Was a bit costly but a lot less than an escort. Several times have taken Soapy girls somewhere outside the massage venue, as if she was an escort, for extended time including overnight.

Not sure what you mean by "mature". Some Thai girls aged 27 to 30 can be mature adult in attitude but still look like a 19 year old. I have no problem with this age bracket and certainly don't regard these girls as past it. I don't need 16 year olds and its not legal anyway. They can be very experienced and skilled and still look very young. My favourite bargirl is over 30, I forget exact age but she looks 21 no problem. Body is slim and extremely toned looking like a gymnast. Very popular. So to me the actual technical age does not matter if the girl does not look really ancient and still has a good body. Some of the 22 year old look terrible in comparison, like having their tits sucked out till they are just hanging bags.

When you say you like certain sources of girls, its not easy to guess what your reasons are and precisely what you look for. I mean if you are going to pay her, then working girls are working girls, whatever the source.

Interested in an Opinion. I know this young very inexperienced bargirl (5 weeks in total) at Long Gun. She is all natural and has a good body and a pretty face, looks very young, but darkish skin. She has zero English. I had to translate for her the meaning of 69 and blowjob into Thai. LOL. I intend to buy her that bargirls English guide to chatting up customers, but don't know precisely how much help it will be.

Is she really significantly stuffed for getting customers, having virtually zero English? She maintains I have been the only guy to take her so far (maybe 4 times). She can be enthusiastic about sex once gets turned on and can do a blowjob quite well, but not the world's most skilled in bed just yet, maybe just average good. I guess there are potentially other customers than can speak a bit of Thai but I have no idea what percentage this will be. Would 20% be a fair guess or maybe its very dependent on the particular bar? Are any non-Thai speakers interested in a girl with no English or is it just too much hassle?

I believe she studied English at school to rudimentary level but is at least 3 years ago and seems to have been forgotten.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506294]I once took an MP girl on holiday 3 or 4 days to Krabi and Phi Phi Island. Was a bit costly but a lot less than an escort. Several times have taken Soapy girls somewhere outside the massage venue, as if she was an escort, for extended time including overnight.[/QUOTE]Syzygies,

There seems to be little / no info about this option on the forum.

Can you please give some guidance to how much the cost is to have a MP girl not coming to work / per day, and also how this is arranged (agreement with management, ect?)

Greetings, Ken Apples

[QUOTE=MisterQuickie; 1506132]Guys,

I have been reading this forum intently as I've got my first visit to BKK coming up. I'll have a short layover there. Basically, I'll be free from around 10 am in the morning until around 6 pm in the evening.[/QUOTE]The (in) famous Eden Club ([url]http://www.edenbangkok.com[/url]) opens at 12:30 and is in Sukhumvit Soi 7/1 where you will also find a lot of massage parlours that open early and the chain of Dr. BJ's establishments. ([url]http://bjbarbangkok.com/[/url])

The only thing you will miss are the agogo-clubs.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1506328]Interested in an Opinion. I know this young very inexperienced bargirl (5 weeks in total) at Long Gun. She is all natural and has a good body and a pretty face, looks very young, but darkish skin. She has zero English. I had to translate for her the meaning of 69 and blowjob into Thai. LOL. I intend to buy her that bargirls English guide to chatting up customers, but don't know precisely how much help it will be.

Is she really significantly stuffed for getting customers, having virtually zero English? She maintains I have been the only guy to take her so far (maybe 4 times). She can be enthusiastic about sex once gets turned on and can do a blowjob quite well, but not the world's most skilled in bed just yet, maybe just average good. I guess there are potentially other customers than can speak a bit of Thai but I have no idea what percentage this will be. Would 20% be a fair guess or maybe its very dependent on the particular bar? Are any non-Thai speakers interested in a girl with no English or is it just too much hassle?

I believe she studied English at school to rudimentary level but is at least 3 years ago and seems to have been forgotten.[/QUOTE]She's been working 5 weeks & doesn't know the meaning of "smoke"?

I've picked up street girls like her quite a few times. Maybe she should switch jobs if she wants to make more dough. Even deaf girls are out there making a killing.

Working girls don't need any English, just a piece of paper that says one hour one thousand. In Singapore many PRCs, Viets, etc only know one word, like "fifty" or "thirty", or they hold up 3 or 5 fingers if they haven't learned that yet. Some use English translators to "talk" with their phones.

It isn't rocket science.

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1506346]Syzygies,

There seems to be little / no info about this option on the forum.

Can you please give some guidance to how much the cost is to have a MP girl not coming to work / per day, and also how this is arranged (agreement with management, ect?)

Greetings, Ken Apples[/QUOTE]All MP's tariffs show long time / out calls, just browse around.

Annie's surely does and lists the terms and conditions.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506289]Many Oily massage places that get discussed in Massage thread will be open in the daytime and also Annies. There are daytime bars with girls available on Sukhumvit Soi 4 within 50 metres of main road such as "Morning Night","Big Dog", etc. Girls will take you to nearby short time Hotel where you pay for a room for up to 2 hours max. There is also Biergarten of Sukhumvit Soi 7.[/QUOTE]Correct as indeed all oilies and soapies open at 11am.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506328]Is she really significantly stuffed for getting customers, having virtually zero English? She maintains I have been the only guy to take her so far (maybe 4 times).[/QUOTE]Youth and beauty are the two main factors that fill the girls' pockets full of cash.

Remember the old saying: " How do you know when a bargirl is lying to you. When her lips are moving"

[QUOTE=Ken_Apples; 1506346]Syzygies,

There seems to be little / no info about this option on the forum.

Can you please give some guidance to how much the cost is to have a MP girl not coming to work / per day, and also how this is arranged (agreement with management, ect?)

Greetings, Ken Apples[/QUOTE]I don't normally like to discuss exact payments. Can find out from web site or shop or girl what must be paid to management per day. I suggest ask the girl first. In some shops especially Soapies it may not be officially allowed at all but girl may still be willing to pretend she is away sick.

Then need to consider what the girl's normal earnings per day is. Mostly I think girls will not want to go away if they will lose money unless need a break from work badly.

Also they may not be interested if you are cheap Charlie and want to fuck many times at a greatly discounted rate.

I have a GF so have not taken a working girl away more than single overnight since 2008. However still here of guys barfining girls for several days so they don't have to show up to work and can go to Pataya or wherever.

Right now times are tough. Some girls have little business and could be easily persuaded for a steady money supply. It's probably a buyers market right now except for the very busy girls.

This topic is rarely discussed because most guys are looking for a cheap 1 hour fuck. I am mostly looking for just 2 hours these days. I don't need many fucks per day and don't have time for it. Morning wake up sex would be nice though.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1506494]Remember the old saying: " How do you know when a bargirl is lying to you. When her lips are moving"[/QUOTE]Girls have little need to lie to me as I don't ask them difficult questions. I also find some girls amazingly honest. The girl tells me she is 33 even though I would have believed 24 quite easily. The tells me that she spoke to me on the phone in a strange tone as she was with a Farang who did not want her to go to the bar to work. She however was happy to go to the bar to meet me and said was lucky we conversed in Thai as he could not understand her phone conversation. Some girls can be sneaky without actually telling many lies. I know about her many customers and show no signs of jealousy so she doesn't need to tell me bullshit. It's simple. Either she is available or she isn't. She doesn't want to be tied down by anyone.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1506494]Youth and beauty are the two main factors that fill the girls' pockets full of cash.[/QUOTE]Ummm, well initially, but if she does not perform there will be few repeats.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1506390]She's been working 5 weeks & doesn't know the meaning of "smoke"?[/QUOTE]This is a funny word. It indicates the bargirl's English is poor.

Thai for smoke a cigarette is "Duut burii"."Duut" literally means to suck (air). Unfortunately many Thai to English books that girls use, translate "Duut" as meaning "to smoke" which is technically not general enough, but that is why girls will say "smoke" when they mean "to suck". It has then become a standard Euphemism over time.

A better word for a BJ in Thai is actually "Om" which is used also for sucking on a lolly, since a BJ does not require an air sucking action like smoking does.

As I was first guy to barfine her, I decided was better to teach her "blow-job". I hope the customers will not ask her for "smoke". She might give them a cigarette or might have no clue at all. Actually girls are not permitted to take cigarettes inside Long Gun main bar. One bar was burnt down not that long ago.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1506592]Ummm, well initially, but if she does not perform there will be few repeats.[/QUOTE]But there will sufficient one off customers in the future.

Just like with the rip offs venues or girls. They will nto get repeats, for sure and the robbed guy will not go there or book the girl again.

Nevertheless they still open and work night after night. Month after month. Means they have a solid non repeat customer volume.

I posted this some days ago but made a mistake and today I saw that is was posted as tread instead of report. My fault. Hereby again.

Over the last days I met with several women that I mainly contacted true Thai Friendly.

My target specs are: length between 165 and 175 cm, weight between 45 and 65 kilo. I am searching for women with a job who are mainly working from Monday – Friday and who speak English good till quite well.

Met so far around 10 of them in 3 week time including some special once (see below) that I will keep closeby in future.

Met with a Manager in a Financial company who is 35.

When we met first time we had dinner closed by her working location and after that she drove to my place (Asoke) and we went to a bar in the Sukhumvite area to listen to live music and continuing the chit chat.

Around midnight we got back to my place (her car was parked there) and while we continuing talking in the lobby she pushed on the elevator bottom and we ended in my room and finally ended on my bed. So more or less I left it to here to how it would endup or continuing.

She drives in a brand new middle size car and invited me after the 3rd meeting to her condo.

We the evening before King's Birthday as she had a day off and some afternoons and evening in the weekend to make it late and we ended for some hours of sex in her or my bedroom. Everything available beside anal.

We have a great click, good humor and chemistry, background and interest.

She has a bachelor in English and Master in Economics. Beside some food no money to invest so far.

Will keep her for a while (as I normally return to Bangkok several times a year).

As she hard to work also in the weekend and needed to finalize appraisal process for her staff (not for me, LOL) that gives me the opportunity to look around what was more available.

On Sunday (yesterday) I met with a manager financial analist and business planning in a large stock listed company who came to my place in a 6-months old Toyota Camry included all options. Later I found she bought the car over from her mother because the women found that the car was too big for her.

She parked at my place and we got up to my room directly.

As we only discussed before lunch / dinner and movie opportunities to do together, we had some chit chat but I was not sure about where she was looking for (sex or love or.).

After a while we discussed what movies she liked to see and on her mini Ipad she quickly surfed and found a movie that was starting within 30 minutes.

We decided to walk from my place to the mall. I always buy ticket on the seats on the back a kind of business class seats with no separation in the middle and the seat can move a little into sleeping mode. During the movie the touching and teasing started and shortly after a lot of kisses followed.

After a quick meal we got back to my room and soon after I got her totally naked.

She played to be shy but liked what I did with her. She was around 160 cm and 40 kg, that means not too much fat on the bones, and she made clear that here mouth was small and here pussy also. I joked a little that as she could accept me anal I would be fine with that but finally after DFK I decided not to push too much and gave my fill load over a A-size breast with nice perky nipples.

After two hours I found myself (around 11:30) so tired that I politely said to her that I would walk here down to the parking and guide her out.

From here face I saw some disappointment but what could she do.

Today we had several times contact true Line and potential I will meet with her again.

The other days and evenings I made contact mainly through Thai Friendly and if I couldn't agree to a date I strolled in the evenings around at Gulliver's, Bangkok Beat, Levels and Spasso and selected from there, see some of the pictures randomly posted here.

Till so far only the women who worked in the shopping mall in Central World costed me 2000 THB (even where she didn't ask for any payment) and 6 others, beside some food where totally free. I am visiting Bangkok over the last 10 years often and mainly got to the disco scene but found specially during this visit (which is in the middle) that the internet option is more valuable and will leave me with some keepers also,

[QUOTE=Johnthescot; 1504631]Arriving Bangkok tomorrow, staying in Fraser suites (looks nice). Always stay soi 11. Love the bars and clubs. Then View Talay in Pattaya for 3 weeks.

As I said before, bit disappointed by the chat here. Been 3 years. And still the same arrogant twats here, different names but same shit. Hundreds / thousands of posts, arguing abut nothing. Really think a lot of the posters with hundreds posts have either never been or just like talking about their one trip.

Sorry for being weird but first trip in 3 years. Used to be a poster but jut see guys that are all mouth here now.

Tell stories, sometimes good, sometimes bad. Thats why we read this. Loved that guy Kumbu? Willl do my best to contribute like that. Rather than the shite I see on here. Make an effort guys.

If you talk about it, then you haven't done it. Prob live in England and fantasise.

Hey ho.

JohnTheScot

Ok[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. The level of rudeness here is enough to make me not want to come back, and certainly I will not renew my subscription until some decorum is mandated here.

Why would anyone share their experiences with this kind of response. Not me for certain.

[QUOTE=Somewhere15;1506725].6 others, beside some food where totally free.[/QUOTE]Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.

Ah I see a big problem with repeating a newbie bargirl more than once or twice. They start getting too dependent on you for success at the bar and for money. I was dismayed to find the girl had an iphone today, probably 2nd hand, where I was expecting her to try to save a bit of money, for the hard times when no customers (I have been her only barfining customer). She explained her previous phone was accidentally dropped in water today or toilet. I would have expected her to get it fixed rather than have a 2nd hand iphone 4 now which I presume costs a few thousand. She may have even had to borrow money to get it. I was only calling by quickly to give her the bargirls phrasebook Thai to English (150 Baht). So she did not get any money from me today, and I am about to leave the country so her main money source has suddenly dried up. I can only hope some other guys like her despite the zero English and dark skin.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1506818]Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.[/QUOTE]I would agree 100% Opebo!

I was separated early this year, I stayed away from women (even cheap streetwalkers) to focus on my business (ha!) and early last month, feeling all sad about Christmas alone, I went ont three dating sites looking for some Christmas cheer (I live in Europe) one site was Ashley Madison BUT I was drunk when I signed up! Stay away they are fucking rip off specialists, and the site is just full of very pricey call girls, I never met a single 'bored housewife' there!

But back to the sorry tale of woe, I spent a fortune on these sites, wasted hours fussing about what to say to these women. I was realistic, and was looking for between 40-50, since I'm a youthful 52. Most had kids (no fucking way! I don't have my own, and don't want anyone elses brats) Lots were pigs, or had no profiles, or clearly no brains, or wore fucking sunglasses in the photos!

The One decent bird. 47, clicked online very well, so I spent a fortune on a hotel (to go to her city as I live in a one horse bumfuck town, but that will change soon!) And got torn apart over dinner for mentioning I'd been to Thailand alone a few times. Well, so much for that!

I cancelled the profiles, kissed the money goodbye (lesson learned) and bought a ticket to LOS, I'll be well en route to BKK this time next week all being well.

I figure I can live without all the bullshit at my age, and just get the deed done in Germany in summer or Thailand in winter. I just this evening threw out all my old love letters, and re-reading them, I just realised I'd hurt a lot of decent girls with my shenanigans over the years, including my missus, so basically, unless I really slow down, I'm better off on my own chasing P4P every six months.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506850]Ah I see a big problem with repeating a newbie bargirl more than once or twice. They start getting too dependent on you for success at the bar and for money. I was dismayed to find the girl had an iphone today, probably 2nd hand, where I was expecting her to try to save a bit of money, for the hard times when no customers (I have been her only barfining customer). She explained her previous phone was accidentally dropped in water today or toilet. I would have expected her to get it fixed rather than have a 2nd hand iphone 4 now which I presume costs a few thousand. She may have even had to borrow money to get it. I was only calling by quickly to give her the bargirls phrasebook Thai to English (150 Baht). So she did not get any money from me today, and I am about to leave the country so her main money source has suddenly dried up. I can only hope some other guys like her despite the zero English and dark skin.[/QUOTE]Most girls in gogos have a sixth grade education, if that. What else do you expect? They are in many ways the least common denominator of this society. I equate dating and marrying a bar girl to going to the deepest "hollar" in West Virginia and picking out your future wife there.

Back home none of us would dream of dating or taking care of a gal with that little education. Here standards go out the window, because unlike the West Virginia gals, these girls have all their teeth.

They are great for a little fun, but that is about it. If one wants a relationship, there are plenty of women here that actually bring something to the table besides the wetspot between their legs.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1506947]Most girls in gogos have a sixth grade education, if that. What else do you expect? They are in many ways the least common denominator of this society. I equate dating and marrying a bar girl to going to the deepest "hollar" in West Virginia and picking out your future wife there.

Back home none of us would dream of dating or taking care of a gal with that little education. Here standards go out the window, because unlike the West Virginia gals, these girls have all their teeth.

They are great for a little fun, but that is about it. If one wants a relationship, there are plenty of women here that actually bring something to the table besides the wetspot between their legs.[/QUOTE]You're a broken record crying about the working girls here. I don't pay for them anymore but I am friends with dozens and we fuck too. There are some smart, good girls in the bunch. Shit, most of would fuck ugly girls for money, so who are we to judge? All education usually is how much useless shit can you remember. Genius comes in many forms and there is a reason successful entrepreneurs don't give a shit about master's degrees and such when hiring. I don't particularly mess with women to stimulate my brain but it's easy to accomplish. The dumbest of girls here is going to know a whole lot more about this country then you, so you can either be smart enough to extract that info or stupid enough to keep on bitching about it.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1506818]Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.[/QUOTE]Sad case if you have not been with a normal woman whose company you actually enjoy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1506947]Most girls in gogos have a sixth grade education, if that. What else do you expect? They are in many ways the least common denominator of this society. I equate dating and marrying a bar girl to going to the deepest "hollar" in West Virginia and picking out your future wife there.

Back home none of us would dream of dating or taking care of a gal with that little education. Here standards go out the window, because unlike the West Virginia gals, these girls have all their teeth.

They are great for a little fun, but that is about it. If one wants a relationship, there are plenty of women here that actually bring something to the table besides the wetspot between their legs.[/QUOTE]Not sure why you have switched the topic to GFs and Marrying. Not relevant to the newbie bargirl. An idiot might want to marry her but not me.

Meanwhile my GF does not have a massive education. Very high intellect is not a requirement for all of us. She is more the artistic type which complements me being a highly technical type. I am not interesting in highly technical discussions in a social context.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1507010]Not sure why you have switched the topic to GFs and Marrying. Not relevant to the newbie bargirl. An idiot might want to marry her but not me.

Meanwhile my GF does not have a massive education. Very high intellect is not a requirement for all of us. She is more the artistic type which complements me being a highly technical type. I am not interesting in highly technical discussions in a social context.[/QUOTE]

Never underestimate the number of idiots in bars.

A high intellect is not a requirement for a sex session no, but I do find if I am reloading for round two I can be completely turned off by some of the idiotic banter I hear. Brighter girls are more fun, yes, in bed that is. They have the capability to take it to the next level, get inside your head, find out your kinks, etc. I have found very few bar girls capable of that. For most of them sex is like eating; hungry-eat, horny-f*ck.

When you live with someone for a long time you need to be able to relate to them on different levels. The cultural divide can be hard to cross, but when you throw in a lack of education, it just complicates matters in the long run. Might work fine for a few years, but eventually it will make a difference.

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1506966]You're a broken record crying about the working girls here. I don't pay for them anymore but I am friends with dozens and we fuck too. There are some smart, good girls in the bunch. Shit, most of would fuck ugly girls for money, so who are we to judge? All education usually is how much useless shit can you remember. Genius comes in many forms and there is a reason successful entrepreneurs don't give a shit about master's degrees and such when hiring. I don't particularly mess with women to stimulate my brain but it's easy to accomplish. The dumbest of girls here is going to know a whole lot more about this country then you, so you can either be smart enough to extract that info or stupid enough to keep on bitching about it.[/QUOTE]

Crying? Don't know where you are getting that from. Believe me, no tears have been shed. It is what it is.

I actually speak the language and have lived here for well over a decade. You would be surprised how little most people here know about their country. I would imagine that many foreigners actually know more about the place than many locals. Really man, get a grip. After a certain amount of time you will tire of the company of bar girls. They have very little to offer except sex. Take a lesson from your Thai brethren, compartmentalize.

I myself would not have sex with ugly women for money.

Education useless? Maybe you should tell that to the Dr you see next time you are ill and in need.

And try to get a job in Asia without a degree.

If they were "smart good girls" they would not be working in a bar. It is a choice. There are other ways. It is the easy way out. 15 years ago one could buy the argument that it was the only option. Now it is not. Just about anyone can get a student loan, and hey if Uni ain't for you with 1% unemployment getting a job that you can support yourself with is easy. But most really don't want that. They see an easy out and easy money. It is the life of a parasite and the farang is the host. But as I am sure you have noticed, many of these girls get boyfriends or husbands and within a few years they are back in the scene. I run into gals that I knew 10 years ago all the time who have drifted back into the biz after failed relationships. The host can swat the mosquito at anytime.
A very few actually do well. They save money and start their own business. Mango, Snow White, Cherry, Tulip, all ex-oily gals who had a little ambition, while some gals who were at Tulip when it opened are still there and getting older. A old working girl is a sad site.

I like working gals, don't get me wrong. They serve a purpose and fill a need, as does the repair person that comes to fix the dryer. I treat them well, with respect, and compensate them. But, it ends there. I find hanging out with them boring and depressing. There are far more interesting things to do in this city. Great restaurants and a booming indie music scene to name two.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1506996]Sad case if you have not been with a normal woman whose company you actually enjoy.[/QUOTE]Nah, I prefer the company of abnormal women, especially the vaginas of the deaf & dumb. Normal good girls are far too boring, drama queens & can't keep their mouths shut. I'd pay them to leave me alone. For the most part the same applies to the bad girls, too, although about twice a year I like to hang with them for about 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1507023]I myself would not have sex with ugly women for money.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are wealthy. I would certainly consider servicing women for money if it paid a lot more than what I get now and I was good at it.

Many of the bargirls need money urgently. They are not patient to to wait for years of degree and a good job if they happened to be smart enough. WG is the only way they see they can get money in a hurry.

However some girls with degree still can't handle English. Don't know why.

Don't worry. I have it right. Bargirls are for getting sex and in some cases really great sex or really great body or both. I don't want her trying to get in my head. I had an ex GF that liked to ask very difficult questions like conundrums all the time. Got a bit tiresome. I like a more peaceful environment at home. Ex wife was well educated had a stressful job and all she brought home was stress and and negativity. No thanks. Sex with her was no fun too. She wasn't even clean enough.

I like to look at naked girls too on occasion. Bargirls have their use.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1507068]Maybe you are wealthy. I would certainly consider servicing women for money if it paid a lot more than what I get now and I was good at it.

Many of the bargirls need money urgently. They are not patient to to wait for years of degree and a good job if they happened to be smart enough. WG is the only way they see they can get money in a hurry.

However some girls with degree still can't handle English. Don't know why.

Don't worry. I have it right. Bargirls are for getting sex and in some cases really great sex or really great body or both. I don't want her trying to get in my head. I had an ex GF that liked to ask very difficult questions like conundrums all the time. Got a bit tiresome. I like a more peaceful environment at home. Ex wife was well educated had a stressful job and all she brought home was stress and and negativity. No thanks. Sex with her was no fun too. She wasn't even clean enough.

I like to look at naked girls too on occasion. Bargirls have their use.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with looking at naked women. Nice pass time.

Don't get me wrong, when I say "get in my head," I am only referring to stimulating excitement during the sex act.

I agree 100% about a peaceful home life. That is essential. I think when treated well Thai women help to create that environment.

[quote=pinkpearl;1507063]about twice a year i like to hang with them for about 5 minutes.[/quote]is that your cumming speed? ah ah ah - for me that includes shower.

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6 others, beside some food where totally free.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1506818]Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.[/QUOTE]Yes it sometimes costs some times.

When I walk through Soi 4 I see many mongers for hours in a bar with one beer overlooking to other mongers and their score.

I spend my time better closeby the swimming pool and surfing the net.

In the first couple of days your are right this costs some hours, afterwards you do not have time for the net you need to meet girls and enjoy.

And as I have to eat; why not with someone else?

But scrolling and dancing and drinking in discos is a piece of cake isn't?

I didn't do this before but do not agree with your comment unpleasent.

Would be different per person I guess.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1506818]Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.[/QUOTE]One way around that is a form of sarging where guys just go up to a female stranger & ask her for sex. Some claim to have success with this in the Western world.

Not sure how it would go over in LOS. You might get some replying "how much you give me?"

In Singapore there are strict laws against men harrassing women, with the cane being one possible punishment.

If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.

Bamboo M.assage

Anyway, I had a visit the other day with Ploy at Bamboo massage. If you don't know it, the place is on Soi 8, which is close to the Nana BTS stop, where all the Indian tailors are. If you glance down that street you'll see a big sign high on the left, pointing to an alley on the right. The way they handled my visit was a bit weird. When I walked in they just looked at me expectantly. I don't know whether they're used to more experienced visitors, but I prefer to be a bit more guided. Other places have a bit more of a "Please, sit here, look through our book, say who you like" etc. When I was confused they sat me down and opened the book, but then they just ignored me. The book just had pictures and a name, which is fine, but there was no way to even tell who was working, etc. I chose Ploy because. Well, no reason. She seemed attractive. She was a nice girl, a little more heavy set than most would like, I suspect, and possibly a bit older.

The session was very enjoyable, she was fun, friendly and outgoing. Into her work. Gave a very nice massage, but it was clearly more about the sex than anything. She seemed to like licking. Lots of little licks all over the place, often instead of just putting things in her mouth that I pretty much wanted her to put in her mouth. Still, came one time very pleasantly in a 69. Another having sex half an hour afterwards when she started to initiate. Unlike Cherry Massage where I chose a quite expensive Nuru massage, Bamboo I just got an oil, and the whole experience worked out a bit cheaper, I think. I gave Ploy a small tip, a few hundred baht, I think.

I'd go back, as the place is really close to me, but much as I like the girl I think I'd try someone else.

Dr BJs.

I actually went here last week, but forgot to include it in my last report. I've read about the famous Dr BJs on the web and wanted to check it out. Who doesn't like a BBBJCIM, right? The girl that most caught my eye was the one listed as EE on the top of the staff page: [url]http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html[/url] With those amazing lips, pretty face, and impressive recommendation she seemed ideal. I was lucky and she was available. (It was the middle of the afternoon, so it was pretty quiet.) Her reaction was basically nothing but disinterest. She walked up with me, but was cold as ice. She was abrupt to the point of rudeness. No clothing came off, I don't know if touching was allowed or what, but I was worried my hands would get frostbite if they went anywhere near her. I know these girls are paid to suck strange men's cocks for money. I don't expect them to always love it. But I've been with plenty of working girls who at least aren't.

I doubt I'll be back, I'd rather try Lollipop nearby. It's closer to me anyway.

DC-10.

I tried another NEP gogo bar as Angel Witch has become off-limits for complex reasons (I'll cover that in a bit). I made a mistake. I went in without looking in, and felt obliged. I bought one drink. There were three girls on the stage, none were at all attractive. There were two other customers, one was a quiet and possibly drunk man slouching in a corner with a girl doting on him. The other was an enormously fat, loud man sitting directly opposite from me, with two girls opposite and a hand in each of their crotches. It was. Not a good look.

Rainbow 4.

I went into Rainbow 4 and was immediately impressed with the number and quality of the girls. I was a bit confused that of the two stages, only one of them went topless. I've since found out that's kind of the deal. Rainbow 4 was pretty busy, but still I was surprised. No one seemed to care. No one thought I was a handsome man at all (probably a valid point) and no one said "hey baby". The girls when they were finished dancing didn't come looking for men who showed interest, and they seemed to actively avoid catching attention. It wasn't just me, either, it seemed general. I wondered if maybe it was a bar with different rules to what I was expecting, like if the dancers were not barfinable. Who knows? But nothing was really happening.

Angel Witch.

So, I went to Angel Witch because I like the girls there. I didn't want to barfine someone quickly, I was more keen to have a look around, enjoy the show, have a perve, etc. The girl that I took a few days ago was there, but she was with a customer doing her thing, so I left her alone. She came by later and I smiled and waved and she looked genuinely excited to see me. She apologised that she was with someone, and if she knew I was coming she would have preferred to come home with me. She also said she wanted to come and stay longtime some time soon, which she hadn't been able to do previously. She also asked, and this is interesting, that I not barfine anyone from there. She said another bar was fine, just not someone else there. She made me pinkie promise.

So, I stayed for a bit, and had another drink or two. I got talking to one of the bar girls. Not the dancers. One of the girls running around with drinks. There was just something about her I found really cute. She asked if she could have a drink too, and I said yeah, so we drank and talked. Every now and then she would have to run off and work, but then came back. She had two drinks with me. I know they get paid a percentage of any ladydrink, I'm not naieve. I was happy to do that, though. Still, she seemed to genuinely enjoy hanging out, and really wanted me to come back the next day. I actually haven't, having been hit with a serious about of thai belly that's left me in my hotel room for a few days.

Does anyone know what the deal is with these girls? Can they be barfined too? I'm tempted to barfine the cutie, or maybe see if she wants to visit off the record. But I'm not sure what the deal is, or how much shit it would start with the dancer girl. It's not like there's no shortage of hot girls around, but I find myself oddly more attracted to the cute girls that are fully dressed and smiling than tarted up siliconed sex-kittens for hire.

A girl's education level is just not one of the things I'm pondering as I get my taint licked. Show me a girl that wants to talk up nuclear physics and we will see who's sex is better. And what kind of pretentious fool can only talk to people with higher education. Most these girls are completely different once you get them out of business mode, like a fighter who wants to break your jaw in the ring but would be the first one to help you out of it. This should not even be something you care about though as they are offering sex services, not emotional. Most the guys that girlfriend and wife them up, the girl is still in business mode but if you can get them to not expect much from you and look over the fact all the times they've had egg white on their face, they can be solid companions. I prefer women not in the business too but a lot of times they are no better. Especially, in a country that studies show to have among the most unfaithful women in the world, with over half the women admitting to it. Not to mention all the ones that expect something from you. I think the ideal situation for many would be to have a good, compatible woman at home with easy access to working girls for short, no strings attached, purely physical exchanges. Very easy here.

[QUOTE=Opebo;1506818]Free in terms of money, but very costly in terms of time. The thing I can't bear about the 'non pro' option is that you have to spend hours and hours with them before sex, eating, drinking, talking, etc. Its very unpleasant.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, eating, drinking, talking, etc what a waste of time.

[QUOTE=NaughtyDog; 1507266]If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.

DC-10.

I tried another NEP gogo bar as Angel Witch has become off-limits for complex reasons (I'll cover that in a bit). I made a mistake. I went in without looking in, and felt obliged. I bought one drink. There were three girls on the stage, none were at all attractive. There were two other customers, one was a quiet and possibly drunk man slouching in a corner with a girl doting on him. The other was an enormously fat, loud man sitting directly opposite from me, with two girls opposite and a hand in each of their crotches. It was. Not a good look.

Rainbow 4.

I went into Rainbow 4 and was immediately impressed with the number and quality of the girls. I was a bit confused that of the two stages, only one of them went topless. I've since found out that's kind of the deal. Rainbow 4 was pretty busy, but still I was surprised. No one seemed to care. No one thought I was a handsome man at all (probably a valid point) and no one said "hey baby". The girls when they were finished dancing didn't come looking for men who showed interest, and they seemed to actively avoid catching attention. It wasn't just me, either, it seemed general. I wondered if maybe it was a bar with different rules to what I was expecting, like if the dancers were not barfinable. Who knows? But nothing was really happening.

Angel Witch.

So, I went to Angel Witch because I like the girls there. I didn't want to barfine someone quickly, I was more keen to have a look around, enjoy the show, have a perve, etc. The girl that I took a few days ago was there, but she was with a customer doing her thing, so I left her alone. She came by later and I smiled and waved and she looked genuinely excited to see me. She apologised that she was with someone, and if she knew I was coming she would have preferred to come home with me. She also said she wanted to come and stay longtime some time soon, which she hadn't been able to do previously. She also asked, and this is interesting, that I not barfine anyone from there. She said another bar was fine, just not someone else there. She made me pinkie promise.

So, I stayed for a bit, and had another drink or two. I got talking to one of the bar girls. Not the dancers. One of the girls running around with drinks. There was just something about her I found really cute. She asked if she could have a drink too, and I said yeah, so we drank and talked. Every now and then she would have to run off and work, but then came back. She had two drinks with me. I know they get paid a percentage of any ladydrink, I'm not naieve. I was happy to do that, though. Still, she seemed to genuinely enjoy hanging out, and really wanted me to come back the next day. I actually haven't, having been hit with a serious about of thai belly that's left me in my hotel room for a few days.

Does anyone know what the deal is with these girls? Can they be barfined too? I'm tempted to barfine the cutie, or maybe see if she wants to visit off the record. But I'm not sure what the deal is, or how much shit it would start with the dancer girl. It's not like there's no shortage of hot girls around, but I find myself oddly more attracted to the cute girls that are fully dressed and smiling than tarted up siliconed sex-kittens for hire.[/QUOTE]DC-10 is pretty much on its last fat legs. Of course in a small place like that the girls do notice you, sometimes to your regret. Quite the opposite of RB4 where the girls will rarely give you a look even if you had 1, 000 baht notes tucked behind your ears unless they already know you. You pretty much have to go thru a mamasan to get them to come over or grab them as they walk by. But they are definitely barfinable. Waitresses are almost always barfinable, but sometimes the bf is more than for a dancer and sometimes if there are not enough staff on hand you will have to wait till midnight or so.

[QUOTE=NaughtyDog; 1507266]If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.

Dr BJs.

I actually went here last week, but forgot to include it in my last report. I've read about the famous Dr BJs on the web and wanted to check it out. Who doesn't like a BBBJCIM, right? The girl that most caught my eye was the one listed as EE on the top of the staff page:

[url]http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html[/url]

With those amazing lips, pretty face, and impressive recommendation she seemed ideal. I was lucky and she was available. (It was the middle of the afternoon, so it was pretty quiet.) Her reaction was basically nothing but disinterest. She walked up with me, but was cold as ice. She was abrupt to the point of rudeness. No clothing came off, I don't know if touching was allowed or what, but I was worried my hands would get frostbite if they went anywhere near her. I know these girls are paid to suck strange men's cocks for money. I don't expect them to always love it. But I've been with plenty of working girls who at least aren't.

I doubt I'll be back, I'd rather try Lollipop nearby. It's closer to me anyway.[/QUOTE] Great report, by the way, many should get inspirations from this format - Lots of people seem attracted by this girl, thanks to her look: aggressive boobs, juicy lips and those glasses adding a secretarial look.

I have warned in the past that there is not always much substance behind her, and I was accused of having my own agenda. Not at all, as my reason of the warning was to avoid what happened to you.

I experienced her when she was at Annie's and was not impressed at all. Not to mention those boobs: the surgeon shoul dbe diqualified from the profession (and that is the reason why she does not remove her bra)

She probably went to Dr BJ as her image fits for the job and she doesn't necessarily have to get naked (but many may still expect some topless or fondling even in a BJ only joint).

Most likely she is also not much interested (anymore?) in the job and sees the years passing by.

She should better mvoe to another job in the industry and might find better satisfaction for herself too.

Somehow I feel sorry for her, but it is a fact we are paying and expect something back.

[QUOTE=NeverJerkOff;1507343]I think the ideal situation for many would be to have a good, compatible woman at home with easy access to working girls for short, no strings attached, purely physical exchanges. Very easy here.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. That is one of the joys of living here. It is ideal.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1506850]Ah I see a big problem with repeating a newbie bargirl more than once or twice. They start getting too dependent on you for success at the bar and for money. I was dismayed to find the girl had an iphone today, probably 2nd hand, where I was expecting her to try to save a bit of money, for the hard times when no customers (I have been her only barfining customer). She explained her previous phone was accidentally dropped in water today or toilet. I would have expected her to get it fixed rather than have a 2nd hand iphone 4 now which I presume costs a few thousand. She may have even had to borrow money to get it. I was only calling by quickly to give her the bargirls phrasebook Thai to English (150 Baht). So she did not get any money from me today, and I am about to leave the country so her main money source has suddenly dried up. I can only hope some other guys like her despite the zero English and dark skin.[/QUOTE]Show us a pic. Maybe we can take care of her.

[QUOTE=NaughtyDog;1507266]If it's not considered inappropriate among the interpersonal bickering and dick waving, I'd like to submit a Bangkok report.[/QUOTE]Great report! Keep them coming.

I arrived at BKK early in the afternoon and without much delay I got through immigration and into the taxi in route to my hotel. For my first night I was booked at the Aloft on Soi 11 and for the next several days the Marriott on Soi 57. Reviews on both will be posted under the Bangkok Hotel section.

After being up for well over 36 hours with no sleep, I checked into my hotel and slept hard for about 4-5 hours. When I got up I decided that I was going to make my first experience in BBK a soapy massage at one of the high-end soapies on Ratchadapidesek. The Aloft was about an 8-10 minute walk to the BTS and it appeared that I could take the BTS / MTR to the area where I was looking to go. Given the time of day, the trains were full but it gave me a chance to experience rush hour commuting in Bangkok.

My first stop was Poseidon, a large and well known high-end soapy. The building looked like a hotel that has been converted into a brothel. On the second level there were about 12-15 girls behind the glass. I was actually very impressed with how attractive these girls were, but decided to go up to the third floor to see the models. I was greeted once I got off the elevator and mms escorted me to a comfortable chair to relax and checkout the girls. I ordered a beer and an appetizer to eat. I couldn't believe how many pretty girls were sitting across from me but I was in no hurry to pick. I wanted to take in the atmosphere, after all, I flew half way across the world to see this place. After about an hour of relaxing I finally decided to pick a girl and went with an absolutely adorable girl. For 4000THB/$125 USD I had an amazing 90 minute session with this lovely lady. Before leaving Poseidon I dropped back to the 2nd floor and almost picked another beautiful girl but I decided to walk down to Emmanuelle instead.

After a quick 10 minute walk I entered Emmanuelle and was immediately shocked with how many gorgeous girls were sitting on the couches waiting to get selected. I ordered a beer and relaxed for a while so that I could go again with one of these fine girls. Heck, I was in no hurry and it was fun to see the girls come and go. I would say the girls were all 7-9's and were beautifully dressed with full makeup. It's hard to say if the girls were better looking than Poseidon but I was equally impressed. While it was tough to pick, one girl just caught my eye and I had to pick her. It proved to be a great selection as I had an amazing time with her. Again, another 4000THB/$125USD for a session with an amazing lady! Where else in the world can you spend 90 minutes with a gorgeous girl for $125USD?

So I left Emmanuelle a little later than I expected and I missed the last train and had to grab a taxi back (Please note. Taxis in Bangkok are so cheap!). While I was pretty tired after having very little sleep over the last 48 hours, I asked the taxi driver to take me to Nana Plaza. After seeing all the YouTube videos, I sort of knew what to expect. (Another note. It is much easier to identify ladyboys in person than I thought it would be. The larger feet and heavy makeup are good indicators). After reading someone on this board say that Rainbow 4 had the best girls, I went right there upon arrival. Walking into Rainbow 4 was something I just never imagined. You walk into a small room with a stage to the left and one to the right with about 15 girls on each stage, and yes these girls were hot! These girls were not like the gorgeous Thai girls at Poseidon or Emmanuelle, but there were so many hot little bodies on stage sort of dancing. I quickly realized that even though I just had been to the soapies, I was probably going to have to take one of these hot little ladies back to my hotel. A 600THB/$20USD bar fine and I was heading back to the Aloft with one of these girls. While I wasn't sure how long I wanted to keep this girl, I decided to pay the 5000THB/$155USD LT rate for this girl and just see how it goes. I ended up keeping her for a couple hours and sent her home so that I could get some well needed sleep. While she told me at the bar 2 times for LT, I think she would have let me hit it as many times as I could have gone.

After about 30 minutes of trying to sleep in a room with no air conditioning, I decided to get up and walk to Climax. It was just a short walk from the Aloft and you can easily hear the music thumping as you approach the hotel. A 250THB/$8USD entrance fee also gets you one free drink. The club itself isn't very nice, but the music really pretty good and the place was packed with young Thai girls looking for their mark. I circled the club for about 30 minutes but just didn't see any girls that were really very attractive so I decided to head back to my hot hotel room and try to get some rest.

Geez now it sounds like American women.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1507359]Absolutely, eating, drinking, talking, etc what a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

Day 2 and I was able to get about 3-4 hours of sleep despite having no AC in my room. I decided to go get some breakfast at a coffee shop a few doors down from the Aloft. Back to my room for an unsuccessful attempt to get more sleep before finally checking out and heading to the Marriott on Soi 57.

While this is not the section for hotel info, it would be remiss of me if I didn't say how nice the new Marriott is. I pulled up and got out of my taxi and was impressed by the Thai hospitality at this hotel. While my room wasn't all that big, it was very nicely appointed and I immediately cranked the AC to a frigid 18C, closed the curtains and took an hour nap before taking the BTS to the massage places on Soi 24 and 26. My first stop was Addict and didn't see a girl I liked. I continued walking the area and stumbled upon on place on Soi 24/1. I don't recall the name but apparently they cater to Japanese men. I had a very nice 90 minute session with a lovely girl for 2600THB/$86USD. The facility was not very nice compared to the high-end soapies but the service was fantastic.

Back to the Marriott and now I am in desperate need of sleep. I got about 4 hours of rest before waking up around 8pm and planning my next Bangkok must visit place.

The concept of the g-club really had me curious so I did a lot of research about these places and decided that Pegasus would be the one that I would visit since they actually do allow you to barfine a girl at this g-club. A quick taxi to Soi 23 and I arrive at this beautiful establishment. Let me say, I am an American and I have visited the best gentlemen's clubs in the USA and there is no place in the states that compares to the Pegasus Club. I walked in and was absolutely amazed with how beautiful the place was. I was greeted by the manager and explained how everything worked. She then took me over to where the girls were and explained that the girls in white could go back to my hotel and the girls dressed in other colors were just "talking girls". Since I was just there to really check out the place rather than for sex, I just picked the girl that I thought was the most appealing. While these g-clubs are supposed to have the most beautiful Thai ladies, I would still say Poseidon and Emmanuelle had better looking girls.

My lovely new friend and I sat together for about an hour and watched the shows and made small talk. She explained that she is required to work every day and gets two days off per month. She shared that she does leave the club with the customer to go with them for dinner but never sex or anything intimate. Overall, I had a very relaxing enjoyable hour with a lovely Thai lady for 2100THB/$65USD which included my entrance fee, my drink, the ladies drink and hour of her time. Would I go back? Possibly but the girls that leave the club really were not all that amazing to pay much higher fee. If I recall, it was a 3000THB/$93USD barfine and then 3000-4000 THB for the girl. Trust me, if there was a 10 in the place I would have paid the money but I just didn't see a girl I needed to have. Besides, Soi Cowboy was next on my list tonight.

A very short walk from Pegasus is Soi Cowboy. While I did not visit any other bar in Nana besides Rainbow 4, I did make it a point to check out several clubs at Soi Cowboy. Of the clubs that I visited, I would say that Baccara was the best and had the most hot girls. Shark is okay and so is Tilac, but I hit about 4-5 others and would not go back to any of them. I sat with a nice girl from Baccara and almost barfined her but I wasn't really feeling the need for a girl at the moment and was just taking in the scenery. I did see a girl that I really liked but I did not grab her when I had the chance and I saw her get barfined and leave. She looked gorgeous in her street clothes. Not seeing anything I really wanted at any place, I went back to Rainbow 4 at Nana Plaza. I immediately saw a girl that just did it for me. She had the best little butt and nice little legs. Cute and appeared to have a friendly attitude. I could tell another guy was fond of her because he was slipping her 1000THB bills into her tback. I think he gave her about 5000THB while she was on stage. I inquired if she had been barfined and was told that she had. When this lovely lady got off the stage I asked her name and told her that I would be back the next day to barfine her. She apologized that she wasn't available but told me should would get there the next evening by 9pm.

Shortly before 2am I learned that Rainbow closed at 2 and if I wanted a girl, I would have to pick quickly. I opted to take a girl ST to a room upstairs for a quickie. I think I paid 350THB for the room and 2500THB for the girl and the 600THB barfine. So for about 3500THB/$110USD I had a okay session with a little spinner to end my night.

As I am leaving the ST hotel (or whatever you call it) and getting ready to walk down the stairs I run into the girl from Rainbow that I was so eager to take for the night. She was alone and in the cutest little outfit. She looked beautiful! We spoke briefly and she explained that her customer needed to be up early and didn't want to take her for the night even after giving her a lot of money. I asked her if she wanted to go back to my hotel and she explained that she had plans with her family in the morning but could come for a couple of hours. Into the taxi and back to the Marriott we went. While it might have just been a coincidence that I ran into her, it proved to be an amazing end of my second night in Bangkok. I would have loved to have had her for the night, but I felt very lucky to have spent part of the evening with her.

My third day proved to be great day. After spending a couple hours at the beautiful pool at the Marriott, I decided to try to locate and check out Le Belle. Since their web site did not say when they opened, I hopped on the BTS / MTR to Petachuri Road. Finding Le Belle was very easy and just a quick walk from Exit 3 of the MTR station. It is a huge building and immediately upon walking in I could see this was a step up from Poseidon and Emmanuelle. As you enter and go up the escalator you go towards the left and there is a really large room with the girls sitting at the far end with bright lights on them. I was immediately greeted and advised that they just opened and many girls are getting ready and would be down soon. Since I was in no rush, I ordered some lunch and sat back and watched as the girls started filling in. I could not believe how gorgeous the girls were and it actually made it difficult to pick a girl after I had finished eating. The papasan gave me a breakdown of prices (S, G, P, D, X, and L at 3800, 4400, 5000, 6000, 7000 and 8000 respectively). There were no L models and only a couple X models working. The papasan informed me that the L model are usually reserved in advance by regular customers. While 7000-8000 THB may seem like a lot considering that there are much cheaper options elsewhere, paying $225-$250 USD for 90 minutes with a 9 or 10 is a deal to me in any part of the world.

Needless to say, I made my pick and selected a girl that was a G so I paid the 4400 THB/$137USD and made my way up to the room. My girl spoke and understood more English than any other girl that I had met on my Asian journey. The routine was exactly the same as every other soapie which I am actually starting to become very fond of. These Thai really have their routines and are really focused on good hygiene which is awesome. These girls scrub every inch of their bodies and your's and always have a bottle of listerine for fresh breath. My session was great although I sort of felt like my model was trying to cut things after an hour and I pointed out that we had 90 minutes. No big deal.

As we went back downstairs I decide to sit back down and have a drink before leaving. The papasan came over and put a big push on getting a membership. As I understood it, you pay 30,000THB in advance and every time you pick a model it comes out of this and you get some bottles of whiskey and a complimentary VIP room. As we were talking an absolutely stunning model came out to start her shift. I saw her out of the corner of my eye and was blown away. I interrupted the papasan's sales pitch and told him that I needed go to the ATM and wanted her. When I got back a few minutes later she already been picked. I couldn't believe it! Papasan apologized for not getting her for me but asked me to just sit back and he would reserve her for me. Since I had no other place to go, I opted to wait for the 90 minutes and allow my body to recuperate from my first session. I am glad that I waited for this girl, as my session with her was probably the best of any that I have had in Bangkok.

After my second session, I was pretty zapped but decided to order some dinner before I left and it was delicious. It was sort of odd eating and looking up to a large group of gorgeous ladies in front of me. My head was telling me to pick another girl but my body was telling me there was nothing left in the tank after my amazing second session. I decided to leave and before I left I was told to come back the next night around 6pm because all of the models will be there due to a mandatory meeting. He said his top L models would be there. Leaving Le Belle I looked at my watch and realized I spent several hours there.

Leaving Le Belle I decided to head to Soi Cowboy and check out the girls at Baccarra. When I got there the stage was totally full of girls and the little club was packed with customers. It was sort of weird because over a 30 minute period I just noticed that girls were getting barfined left and right. I approached a cute girl and tried to talk to her but she would not speak with me. I asked the waitress to check with the girl and determine what was wrong. I was told that she doesn't talk to farang and won't leave with a farang. Over the next hour I came across 4 other girls that were the same way and I did notice that they did gravitate to the Asian customers. While I was a little disappointed that I was striking out even though I had a fistful of money to spend, I didn't let it ruin my night and just decided to go back to Rainbow 4 where I had great luck.

My Rainbow girl that I took back to my hotel the night before was no place to be found (should have got there earlier) and the girl from my first night was already with a customer and looked like she was getting barfined. I did see a really cute girl from my first night so I decided to barfine her and take her to the ST hotel. While this girl had the hottest little body, I just couldn't see myself taking her back to a five star hotel.

This nice Rainbow girl tried to explain the farang thing to the best that she could. According to her, a lot of Thai girls prefer Japanese men because they tend to have a small penis, cum really quick and spend money freely. Farang men tend to have a bigger penis, hold out and try not to cum quick and are not generous. She tried to make me feel better by telling me that black men and men from India are discriminated even worse than farang and that most clubs won't even let these men into their clubs.

Overall, a great day in Bangkok and I have really become a fan of these high-end soapies and their gorgeous women. I plan on checking a couple other places tomorrow before returning to Le Belle.

still struggling to get some good sleep, i was up early again and enjoyed a great breakfast at my hotel and tried to plan out my day. i decided to try to rest until around 1 and make my way to emmanuelle since they opened at 1pm. i then planned to hit le belle again and then make my way to either baccarra or rainbow 4 by 8-9 pm to possibly barfine a girl to hang out with all night. if i struck out barfining a girl i planned on checking out spasso at the hyatt.

i left the hotel and again used the train to get to emmanelle. i got there around 2pm and there weren't too many girls to pick. i decided to eat some lunch and since no girls were coming in that interested me, i took off for le belle. when i got there around 3 there were a lot of girls already there. they all looked so good and then one girl came up and sat at the rail behind where i was sitting. i turned around and got a flirty smile so i decided not to waste any time and selected her. she was considered a x so it was a 7000thb/$220 selection. this girl could get $1000 per hour in the us, so while more expensive than all the other girls, to me it was still a deal.

while i don't like writing play by play reviews, i will share with you that my session was a lot different than the two from yesterday. this girl was extremely passionate and total gfe. she was very affectionate throughout the session and even as we returned down the elevator to the main level. she was worth every penny!

since it was rush hour in bangkok, i decided to stay at le belle and hang out and drink for a while. after about an hour a lady was pointed out by the mms and i decided to take her upstairs. this was actually my only bad choice from my trip so far. while she was actually really funny and enjoyed trying to speak english with me, she didn't look as good up close and didn't have that great of a body. lastly, the session wasn't all that good, especially not compared to the one that i had earlier with the x that i picked.

something i should share with any that haven't been to this place, there are certain things you should know that i didn't know when i first went in. first, you are expected to tip the pps / mms when they help you with a girl. i was told 100thb but i gave my pps 250thb each time i selected a girl. also, you are expected to tip your model if you are happy with your session. i was told 500thb/$16usd was a reasonable tip. also, these girls get half of the 90 minute rate so a little extra generosity goes a long way. if you plan to come back to le belle, you want to tip the staff well to get good service. lastly, if you are not asian you are paying 1000thb more than the japanese guy next to you. the pps / mms really don't care to talk about it, but it was explained to me that it is more work for the girl to be with a non asian man and they get more compensation for it.

leaving le belle i took the train to soi cowboy and went to baccara. i got there around 8:30 and there were a ton of girls there. each of the girls that blew me off because i am a farang were there as well. for some odd reason one of these girls actually kept smiling at me so invited her over and bought her a drink. i shared with her that i was disappointed that she would not let me barfine her the previous night. she explained that she has never left with a farang and mostly went with japanese guys. after some nice conversation, she said she would go st with me but not lt. i declined and told her that i only wanted lt. after some negotiation, she actually agreed to go lt and kept saying that she had never been with a farang much less gone lt with one.

whether this girl had ever been with a farang in the four months she has worked there or if she was completely lying, i decided that i was going to treat this little bar girl like a princess. we went to the rooftop bar at my hotel and had some great conversation over looking the city despite the language barrier. the translation app on my phone helped a lot. after a couple drinks we went down to my room. instead of attacking this little hottie and treating her like a working girl, i took a very passive approach and let her be the aggressor. i then had sex with this girl like she was with a delicate virgin. i was very gentle and was totally focused on giving her pleasure. i don't like performing oral on working girls but i made an exception with her and she appeared to love it.

after sex we laid in bed for a while and talked. again she could have been full of crap, but she was insistent that i was her first farang. she explained that she only goes with japanese guys because they pay 3000thb for st and they get right down to business and cum really quick. the penis size is a big thing because she can be with 4-5 japanese guys st per night and not be sore.

we had previously agreed that she could leave at 3am so i woke her at 3 and all she wanted was to sleep close to me. i woke her again around 4 for little loving and we stayed in bed together til after 6am. she explained to me that she was going to get a lot of crap from all of the girls that saw her leave with me but that she wanted me to come get her again tonight. she must have asked me 4-5 times if i would come back for her. i did not commit to her but she was such a nice girl that i probably will.

this entire farang thing sort of baffles me, especially when it comes to the girls at baccara. as she explained, more than half of these girls won't go with farang and the ones that do get ridiculed by the ones that won't. it's almost like school girl peer pressure that's ingrained into that club's culture. as silly as it sounds, even after asking me to come in and barfine her again tonight and repeatedly asking when i was flying back to the us, she insisted she was going to stick with her japanese customers and avoid farang once i leave to go back home.

Day 5.

I had to take care of some business matters today but finally got out for a little shopping and people watching. I stopped by the Emporium and had lunch there as well. Getting out in the city really opened my eyes to Thailand and some of my misconceptions of what it would be like. I was expecting it to feel more like a third world country like when you visit Mexico, but that it is nothing like Mexico. I feel totally safe in this city, never feel like I am being ripped off by anyone and I am actually very comfortable in this city and can see myself visiting again.

After lunch, I noticed that I was really close to the oily massage places. I decided to check out the places on Soi 33 and stopped at Dream Heaven. This place actually had several hotties and I saw one really cute girl that made me want to stay. She took me down to a room that was really quite bad. This wasn't going to be anything like the high-end soapies that I have so much enjoyed. While I did a 2 hour nuru for 2500THB/$78USD and liked the girl, I ended up leaving after only 45 minutes. For the some reason I just didn't want to spend two hours in this place even though I liked the little spinner that I had.

This mid-afternoon massage actually helped me get some good sleep. I woke up around 8:30pm and immediately changed and headed out to Soi Cowboy. For whatever reason I really felt the need to see my new friend from Baccara. I suppose I wanted her companionship more than anything else. I got there shortly after 9 and of course there were just a ton of girls. The funny thing about Baccara is that I probably would barfine well over half of these girls. That's how many little hotties there were. I saw my friend and she said a customer just bought her a LD but she would be right back. I was sort of concerned that I was too late and she would get barfined by her customer, but 5-10 mins later and she was back and with a big smile. We were sitting at the bar right near the steps where all the girls exit and step up on stage and several girls made comments to her about me being farang and smiled. WTF? She then asked for the barfine and quickly went and changed. When she came back in her street clothes she sat with me while I finished my drink. Still more girls came by and said something to her in Thai but all I could make out was "farang". When we left Baccara I asked her why girls kept saying things to her and if they were teasing her about me. She informed me that she had told several of the girls about her evening with me and many were curious to see the farang that she was talking about.

Since it was Saturday and I had not had dinner, I told her we were going to Spasso for drinks and something to eat (but really I just had to check out this place!). We arrived at the Hyatt and I was quite impressed. I'm not sure how much nicer the rooms were compared to my hotel, but it had a good vibe. I paid the 1600THB/$50USD entrance fee for both of us which included two drinks per person. What I quickly noticed was that this place was filled with farang and very attractive Thai ladies wearing stilettos and short little dresses. Unlike Baccara where most girls won't even make eye contact with you, these little Thai hotties are all about the farang and are very flirtatious even though I was with a girl. I saw so many girls that I would have liked to have left with, but I was here with my new friend and was going to focus on enjoying her companionship. I will say that the band at Spasso was really great but my waiter was absolutely horrible. We ended up leaving Spasso around midnight and more hot girls kept arriving. I would absolutely recommend this place for a guy that wants to have a lady for the evening rather than a bargirl. I sort of regret not checking this place out earlier in my trip.

My last day of my pilgrimage to Asia and my sweet friend from Baccara overslept even though I tried to wake her up a couple times. A few times before she left she asked if we were going to spend my last night in Bangkok together and each time I told her that I probably would not be going to Soi Cowboy to barfine her. I think she was a little disappointed but given her good nature she just smiled, hugged me and left for her retail job on the other side of Bangkok. One more night with this sweet girl and I would have felt a connection and it was best to end it than have to say goodbye to her the morning of my departure. I didn't come here to fall in love or develop any feelings for one girl and that is why I never spent my afternoons with any girl that I spent an evening with.

Today would be a day of rest, as I attempted to try to get back on schedule with the US. My plan was to visit Le Belle one last time and then head to Rainbow 4 to barfine a girl on my last night. After a few hours at the pool, I took a great nap and then headed off to my favorite place in Bangkok. Well that is until today.

I arrived at Le Belle around 6pm and the pps who had helped me the two times I was there this week was off today. I got a mms that didn't speak very good English. There were only a handful of girls available and I was told only about 20 were working today. I opted to order some dinner and wait for some girls to come back downstairs. There were very few customers waiting around for girls, but one Japanese gentleman apparently was sent in before his friends to round up a group of girls. He had another mms helping him and she brought him every girl that became available. Sure enough he selected every girl that was brought to him and they sat with him in the lounge and waited for his friends to arrive. At first my mms told me I could take one of these for an hour but his mms said no. To make matters worse, the X model that I saw two days ago showed up but ended up leaving because she was sick. We spoke briefly and exchanged email addresses and phone numbers. Given that there really were no girls available and my mms was absolutely no help to me, I decided to leave without picking a girl and just go to Nana. I was a little frustrated with the way I was treated, but there was limited inventory and this Japanese guy was ready to throw down some money. These Thai establishments cater to Japanese men and get a lot of preference.

I arrived at Rainbow 4 shortly after 8 and it was busy with a lot of girls but nothing like the other nights. I immediately spotted the girl that I was with the previous night with the amazing butt and bought her a LD and then asked if she wanted me to barfine her. After she changed and came back, I told her it was my last night in Bangkok and that I might want to barfine two girls. I then selected another really hot lady and we were off to my hotel.

Laying in my big bed with two hot Thai girls was a perfect way to wrap up my trip to Asia. One girl was riding me while the other girl had her pussy in my face and then they switched. After the first time, some how I got hard again and just focused on one of the girls while the other one slept. I took her into the bathroom and we took a bath together and then fucked again on the edge of tub. After I finished and she was cleaning up, I gave her some money and told her she could sleep or go home if she wanted. She got changed and left as I got into bed with the other girl. I slept for a couple of hours and woke ready to fuck her one more time. Total GFE with this girl and again, I handed her money and told her she could sleep some more or go home. She changed, gave me a wonderful hug goodbye and left.

I do want to wrap up by sharing a few more things I learned about this farang thing. Both of these girls tonight shared with me that they have had bad problems mostly with farang that don't pay them. Apparently young guys get really drunk, can't finish and don't want to pay the girl. While I am sure this happens with men of all races, it's a bigger deal with farang. Both of these girls shared with me that like my friend from Baccara, they also prefer to go with Japanese men. They also shared that Japanese men pay 3000THB for ST and 8000-10000THB for LT and never try to negotiate with them over price. Yes, I am sure you can find girls to go for 2500/5000 like in a lot of postings, but if you want one of the hottest girls in the bar and she is going to be in high demand you better be prepared to spend some more money. Remember, if a hot girl works 8pm to 2am, she can easily do 4-5 ST in a night. If you want to take her early like the Japanese customers, you can't be afraid to spend a little extra.

So now knowing that I happen to like the type of places that cater to Japanese customers and are not necessarily farang friendly, I would adjust my approach a little to overcome being a farang and take one of these ladies out for the evening. First, I would give the girl a tip on stage (100-200THB) to make her know I am interested and will take care of her financially. I would then buy her a lady drink and possibly even tip her a little more as she is sitting with me. If she doesn't go with farang much if at all, she will be really uncomfortable with not being able to speak and communicate in English. I used a translator app on my phone and they responded well to that. Next, I would really try to make the girl as comfortable as possible by complimenting her hair or makeup. Next, in my phone I would type in a very appealing offer to her. If I want to take her LT, I would let her know that I don't expect her to stay til the sun comes up and she can leave at 4-5 if she wants. Again, this is only what I would do to take a girl that is not comfortable with being with a farang. One last note, if you go into one of these bars dressed like a sex tourist in shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops, don't expect one of these girls to talk to you. If you go in dressed really nicely like a businessman that is just looking for some companionship while he is in Bangkok for business, you will greatly improve your odds getting a girls attention. I appreciate there are probably a lot of places like Spasso where the girls love farang, but I seemed to be attracted to the girls that work at bars that are less farang friendly.

So after spending several days in Bangkok will I go back? Yes! The flight from the United States is really a ***** on your body / sleep, but I just don't know a place in the world where you can find girls like this for the money.

she is attractive and her fake glasses are her niche. she is good at her job but she is very to the point, nothing else. she did let me barely suck on her tits since i told her it would speed things up but she was not allowing anything else. it was only a few seconds of sucking nipples. she did have a good technique but horrible attitude. a smile goes a long way and if she would look at you as she does it it would be better since she is cute, but nah. imho [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] down soi 8 was better. a few cute girls. you can fuck them but ymmv. they are more customer friendly and not as cold. i haven't tried anyone else at dr bj. don't think its worth it to blow my load there.

[quote=bionicman; 1507491]great report, by the way, many should get inspirations from this format. lots of people seem attracted by this girl, thanks to her look: aggressive boobs, juicy lips and those glasses adding a secretarial look.

i have warned in the past that there is not always much substance behind her, and i was accused of having my own agenda. not at all, as my reason of the warning was to avoid what happened to you.

i experienced her when she was at annie's and was not impressed at all. not to mention those boobs: the surgeon shoul dbe diqualified from the profession (and that is the reason why she does not remove her bra)

she probably went to dr bj as her image fits for the job and she doesn't necessarily have to get naked (but many may still expect some topless or fondling even in a bj only joint).

most likely she is also not much interested (anymore?) in the job and sees the years passing by.

she should better mvoe to another job in the industry and might find better satisfaction for herself too.

somehow i feel sorry for her, but it is a fact we are paying and expect something back.[/quote]

So let me get this right: BJ only with EE? That can't be all that's available. If a punter wanted more all he had to do was order up full service for 1000bt extra on top of the BJ service, right? The web site states "for VIP Service + 1000" and then the VIP room has a bed and soapy tub. So I am assuming that full service is on the menu if you want it.

Personally I'd take L or P over EE any day. EE's tits are a bad joke. (just my opinion) Still if all I wanted was a mouth massage, I guess EE might be ok. Her lips look interesting.

First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.

Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2,500.

Is MSOG the norm? Looking at the Eden website (and other) , they advertise 4, 200 for 2 girls. Is that all inclusive (less tip if 1 is so inclined)? What is the going rate for the ladies, less whatever the massage cost? Please help make me a better monger.

Thanks,

Cyberhard

ATexGuy, your field reports are awesome! Very objective, and including price breakdown for all transactions.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1507743]ATexGuy, your field reports are awesome! Very objective, and including price breakdown for all transactions.[/QUOTE]Great reports. Only photos could make them better. Agogo girls who can specialize in Ippuns are few and far between- good for them but most just don't have the look.

Only thing is I wish is that I see all these gorgeous girls the guy sees at Baccara and Rainbow 4. Both places are full of unattractive and mediocre at best-kind of girls. No way is Ippuns paying 10k for lt. On their froums they ask prices jsut like the rest of us and the common price quoted is 2.5k st and 5k lt.

When girls give stories I think they use the exception to the rule to make it sound better. Just because 1 guy paid lt 10k doesn't mean they all do.

Remember a girl that goes with farangs probably is not coveted highly by Japanese, exceptions noted.

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;1507674]So now knowing that I happen to like the type of places that cater to Japanese customers and are not necessarily farang friendly, I would adjust my approach a little to overcome being a farang and take one of these ladies out for the evening. First, I would give the girl a tip on stage (100-200THB) to make her know I am interested and will take care of her financially. I would then buy her a lady drink and possibly even tip her a little more as she is sitting with me. If she doesn't go with farang much if at all, she will be really uncomfortable with not being able to speak and communicate in English. I used a translator app on my phone and they responded well to that. Next, I would really try to make the girl as comfortable as possible by complimenting her hair or makeup. Next, in my phone I would type in a very appealing offer to her. If I want to take her LT, I would let her know that I don't expect her to stay til the sun comes up and she can leave at 4-5 if she wants. Again, this is only what I would do to take a girl that is not comfortable with being with a farang. One last note, if you go into one of these bars dressed like a sex tourist in shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops, don't expect one of these girls to talk to you. If you go in dressed really nicely like a businessman that is just looking for some companionship while he is in Bangkok for business, you will greatly improve your odds getting a girls attention. I appreciate there are probably a lot of places like Spasso where the girls love farang, but I seemed to be attracted to the girls that work at bars that are less farang friendly.[/QUOTE]Amusing. Some of us Farangs always operate as nice guys and not stingy (just a few) so we don't all need teaching. Some guys do need some hints though as they wonder why they never get a GFE.

My definition of LT includes morning wakeup sex, not leaving at 4 or 5. Having a girl in bed with me is of little use while I am asleep. So I definitely ask girls what time they have to leave by. The phone translate bit was amusing. It sounds like you are saying its practical, however I have not seen anything that does a good job of translating English to Thai automatically. Google Translate is quite shitty, for example. The Thai sometimes reads like nonsense. Perhaps O.K. for very simple sentences. Fortunately I speak Thai, so its not a problem to me personally. I would be interested to know what translator you use though, in case there is something good I am not aware of. Just an example of Google Translate stupidity. In English you make something a question with a question mark (in addition to things like starting with a verb), In Thai you must add a question word but Google Translate fails to do that, so it looks like a statement with a question mark stuck on the end. I have tried using it in opposite direction with probably worse results. German to English is also not good at all. The meaning gets mashed.

I have also heard of guys refusing to pay. I am sure Japanese would not do that, but its possible with many other origins.

Largely girls trust me and don't even negotiate a price. I don't abuse their trust though. On the other hand some girls say they are a little uncertain about me at first as I don't appear to be smiling much. Perhaps I would if something was funny. Anyway I usually manage to dispel their fears fairly rapidly. However girls do like a guy that is smiling and joking around a lot. So I do make an effort to joke around a lot and making fun of yourself is a good tactic to help girls feel relaxed. Girls like honest compliments too. Bullshit is not necessary.

In the end, if you can't manage to build the chemistry at the bar to the extent that the girl likes you, there is not much point to go with her. I certainly found a fair number of girls at Rainbow 4 to be too business like, but there are some good ones too.

I found a lot of girls at la Belle to be not very good and more suited to Thai and Japanese customers. Many seem to like guys with small dicks that cum very fast. No stamina and start to complain quickly. Don't like DATY, don't do good BJ, don't like kissing etc. Added to that the girls largely look too fake. La Belle is not my favourite place by a long way. Great if you manage to find a super girl there , I have not found many good ones (there are some exceptions). So could have been good fortune to miss out.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1507063]Nah, I prefer the company of abnormal women, especially the vaginas of the deaf & dumb. Normal good girls are far too boring, drama queens & can't keep their mouths shut. I'd pay them to leave me alone. For the most part the same applies to the bad girls, too, although about twice a year I like to hang with them for about 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]Every so often there's a post that nails it! Fuck, I laughed my nuts near off!

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;1507674]The flight from the United States is really a ***** on your body / sleep, but I just don't know a place in the world where you can find girls like this for the money.[/QUOTE]At prices ranging from almost $200 to $300+, plus bar fine, for long time, I can think of several!

[QUOTE=CyberHard; 1507738]First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.

Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2, 500...[/QUOTE]Unless things have changed at the Eden club, this sounds weird! Or do you mean she was freelancing on the street near the Eden Club?

First off, you don't go up to the room and negotiate with the girls at Eden, the 'menu' price is what you should be paying, and you pay after the deed, to the Management. You may then tip the girls as they kiss you out the door. Also, I always take two girls at Eden as 3somes are their specialisation. The best way to do this is decide anal or not. Once that choice is made, you pick your 1st girl, and then, as many will advise you, let your first pick choose the second girl.

This ensures your get a great working team, and if the second girl is not to your taste, she can work your cock, or whatever, while you DFK and 'bond' with your first choice. If you really can't stand the look of the second girl ask your first pick to choose a second time.

You can also order up uniforms at Eden for no extra charge. Nurse, stockings, etc. You can get a lesbian act as well, or if you are really kinky you can even get the girls to peg you with a strap on, but be sure you are clear about your needs before you go upstairs, a lot of guys are shy about discussing all this in the bar when they are selecting the girls, that's just pathetic, imagine flying all the way from wherever, just to miss out on your wildest dreams because you were too shy to ask for what you want in case someone you'll never see again overhears you! The whole PSE is only limited by your imagination at Eden.

You really did get a little short changed with Pink, because at Eden they take pride in making you cum twice for the 'menu' price, and maybe three times if you can do it within the hour! Trust me, two expert gurls on your shaft if you have never had it is not to be missed!

When I negotiate a freelancer (usually at Biergarten or Thermae) I always settle for "ST.cum twice", and repeat it several times and get a "yes OK" several times, so there is no ambiguity. No girl I have taken home has ever upped the price for the second pop. ST to most freelancers I have been with has been between 2-4 hours, YMMV, if you are clean, not drunk, obnoxious, and treat the girl well, and have a laugh with her, and buy a few drinks at the 7/11 for her to enjoy in the room (breezer, Thai whiskey, whatever) you'll get you're moneys worth!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1507681]So let me get this right: BJ only with EE? That can't be all that's available. If a punter wanted more all he had to do was order up full service for 1000bt extra on top of the BJ service, right? The web site states "for VIP Service + 1000" and then the VIP room has a bed and soapy tub. So I am assuming that full service is on the menu if you want it.

Personally I'd take L or P over EE any day. EE's tits are a bad joke. (just my opinion) Still if all I wanted was a mouth massage, I guess EE might be ok. Her lips look interesting.[/QUOTE]The price for VIP room used to be 2, 600 for 90 minutes. Since its 600 baht cheaper do you get less time for FS, can someone confirm?

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1507918]At prices ranging from almost $200 to $300+, plus bar fine, for long time, I can think of several![/QUOTE]Me too. I am from TX as well, and you can go to a Dallas AMP for about 140 or take a border run and pay a lot less. This dude is paying a lot for his fun. Up to him I guess.

[QUOTE=Oliver Kitsoff;1507924]Unless things have changed at the Eden club, this sounds weird! Or do you mean she was freelancing on the street near the Eden Club?[/QUOTE]You are right. It is not Eden but Plame Relax Massage which, is right next door. I realized this earlier but could not login to correct the report. I'll probably try Eden tonight.

Thanks for the intel.

[QUOTE=CheeChee889;1507818]Only thing is I wish is that I see all these gorgeous girls the guy sees at Baccara and Rainbow 4. Both places are full of unattractive and mediocre at best-kind of girls. No way is Ippuns paying 10k for lt. On their froums they ask prices jsut like the rest of us and the common price quoted is 2.5k st and 5k lt.[/QUOTE]I agree, lots of mediocre ones considering the prices.

What are the jap forums you are talking about?

Are you saying that "ippuns" are paying more, on average, than most of us on ISG?

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1508148]I agree, lots of mediocre ones considering the prices.

What are the jap forums you are talking about?

Are you saying that "ippuns" are paying more, on average, than most of us on ISG?[/QUOTE]I'm saying the common belief that Ippuns are paying way over the top is just highly questionable. Their deameanor with the girls is not in question. Much more forgiving and not as demanding. Ask the girls-they will say very few troublesome Ippuns around.

Ponder this. Why would any race want to pay twice what others are paying? Makes no sense. Salarymen work hard like everyone else for their yen.

[QUOTE=CyberHard; 1507738]First time in Thailand, first report. After checking into hotel, I walked up the street and was approached by "Pink" from Eden Club. We chatted briefly and told her I would be back. After walking around, I headed back and saw she was still there. We headed up to her room and negotiates began. She started with 3, 000. Based on the research I've been doing, I figured that was too much and countered with 1500. After some discussions, we settled on 2, 500 which I thought was still too much. I figured I would post a report and asked for more sage advice.

Pink is very nice look, hard to tell how tall she is because of high heels. She is petite and all natural. She does have a tramp stamp. I showered up and she started with BBBJ with was nice. Not great but not bad either. She did pay since attention to my perineum and ass which I enjoyed. She even rimmed me! She asked me if I wanted cim and to tell her when I was ready! The pop was great! I was hoping for a 2nd which I thought we settled on. But it wasn't to be. She wanted another 2, 500.

Is MSOG the norm? Looking at the Eden website (and other) , they advertise 4, 200 for 2 girls. Is that all inclusive (less tip if 1 is so inclined)? What is the going rate for the ladies, less whatever the massage cost? Please help make me a better monger.

Thanks,

Cyberhard[/QUOTE]We all learn by trying (or by listening to the trials of others) :

As a newbie, never go with a girl without FIRST having established services and prices. Once in her room (or in the taxi, or walking to the hotel, or.) negotiations get more difficult. 2500 baht for a one shot short time is on the high side of the market.

In Eden Club you get all the shots you can manage in your 90 minutes. I usually get 2, sometimes 3 if the girls are really inspiring me.

Rimming is part of the deal at Eden. Most of the times I was there, CIM was no problem.

The price is indeed all inclusive at Eden, except for drinks and tips (a few hundred baht for each girl will do nicely).

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1507840]Amusing. Some of us Farangs always operate as nice guys and not stingy (just a few) so we don't all need teaching. Some guys do need some hints though as they wonder why they never get a GFE.

My definition of LT includes morning wakeup sex, not leaving at 4 or 5. Having a girl in bed with me is of little use while I am asleep. So I definitely ask girls what time they have to leave by. The phone translate bit was amusing. It sounds like you are saying its practical, however I have not seen anything that does a good job of translating English to Thai automatically. Google Translate is quite shitty, for example. The Thai sometimes reads like nonsense. Perhaps okay for very simple sentences. Fortunately I speak Thai, so its not a problem to me personally.

Largely girls trust me and don't even negotiate a price.[/QUOTE]Negotiation is part of the game. Unless you have been with the girl before or know her well always negotiate the terms.

This is strictly business. Negotiating before will more likely save you from ugly situations with regard to money and service later. Once discussed most P4P girls abide by it.

Also it shows the girl who is the boss.

As per GFE it is hard to say which girl will give you. Depends on lots of chemistry between participants and also the personality. You cannot demand GFE. It comes naturally if it does.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1508181]Negotiation is part of the game. Unless you have been with the girl before or know her well always negotiate the terms.

This is strictly business. Negotiating before will more likely save you from ugly situations with regard to money and service later. Once discussed most P4P girls abide by it.

Also it shows the girl who is the boss.

As per GFE it is hard to say which girl will give you. Depends on lots of chemistry between participants and also the personality. You cannot demand GFE. It comes naturally if it does.[/QUOTE]To negotiate or not? Depends on how much you know about the girl and the scene. For example if you are at an oily where you have not paid upfront it's the standard 500/1000/1500 tariff, no more no less. If you prepaid as you will at the soapies and now alas most oilies it's only a question of whether you give an extra tip or not. It's not obligatory but somewhat expected. 200 to 500 is sufficient. If it's a freelance situation, unless you know what the going rate is and this varies from place to place and girl to girl and you always pay over the odds then it's absolutely necessary to agree price before taking her home. Also be aware of the 'it's up to you' response. This is where she hopes you will pay over the odds and if you don't you will quickly find out what her base rate is when you don't. This also applies to go go's. As described this is a business transaction where she should know exactly what you are expecting in terms of service and length of stay and she should know what she is being paid. As regards GFE this is a fiction and simply part of some girl's skill set. Agreed where the 'chemistry 'is good the experience is better but don't believe the illusion that somehow she genuinely feels you are special and different from the pack. Just my opinion!

Nice reports! It is good to see some actual field work vs arguing.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=ATexGuy; 1507674]My last day of my pilgrimage to Asia and my sweet friend from Baccara overslept even though I tried to wake her up a couple times. A few times before she left she asked if we were going to spend my last night in Bangkok together and each time I told her that I probably would not be going to Soi Cowboy to barfine her. I think she was a little disappointed but given her good nature she just smiled, hugged me and left for her retail job on the other side of Bangkok. One more night with this sweet girl and I would have felt a connection and it was best to end it than have to say goodbye to her the morning of my departure. I didn't come here to fall in love or develop any feelings for one girl and that is why I never spent my afternoons with any girl that I spent an evening with.

Today would be a day of rest, as I attempted to try to get back on schedule with the US. My plan was to visit Le Belle one last time and then head to Rainbow 4 to barfine a girl on my last night. After a few hours at the pool, I took a great nap and then headed off to my favorite place in Bangkok. Well that is until today.

I arrived at Le Belle around 6pm and the pps who had helped me the two times I was there this week was off today. I got a mms that didn't speak very good English..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1508219]As regards GFE this is a fiction and simply part of some girl's skill set. Agreed where the 'chemistry 'is good the experience is better but don't believe the illusion that somehow she genuinely feels you are special and different from the pack. Just my opinion![/QUOTE]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.

I too am of the belief GFE is full of shit. They are prostitutes, they know it the guy should know it too. How many of you really think a prolific poster here, who is an old man is pleasuring girls as far as the eye can see and the girls are reciprocating.

Fair payment for freelancers is a tough one. What does one pay an ex-Rainbow star for an hour of her time? She was banned from A Rainbow due to being non-thai. I'm at 2500 baht now looking to go lower. Its business-her value isn't as great now that she freelances. She doesn't have dicks cumming at her from all angles.

The wild thing Nana Plaza 3rd floor. Interesting. 3 ugly old barfinable girls, the rest look like coyotes. Doesn't look like a profitable business model. Huge space very few customers-only a matter of time before bankruptcy. I won't be back.

Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1508229]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree. That she's not different, and guys who fall for these chicks just because they give good GFE are playing Russian roulette at best!

GFE, yes it's a skillset, as Franciscass said, thing is, if I have a customer at my widget business, and I like him or her, I can make life a little pleasanter in a thousand ways, same goes for the GFE, by all means, negotiate, be masculine, dominate subtly, but the girl is a human being, she has a job to do, but it goes faster if it's done in the company of a Gentleman, and most humans respond to kindness and civility with kindness and civility, regardless of how much or little we choose to pay.

All I'm saying is don't throw money away, and don't be a jerk when you are working the deal or the girl. Simple.

Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1508229]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.[/QUOTE]Actually to be fair the girls in the P4P space are not all the same no more so than say girls who are nurses or teachers are all the same. While it's true the so called GFE is simply part of a girl's skill set they do have different personalities and different attitudes towards what they do. Some are just naturally friendly and eager to please the customer while others for whatever reason are distant unfeeling and waiting for the pop so they wrap up and get paid. Being respectful and considerate doesn't cost anything and whether she is GFE or not both of you will come away feeling better about the encounter.

[QUOTE=TorbJorn;1508329]Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?[/QUOTE]It is all included. Just choose a lady that stands to the left of the yellow line in the bar.

Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.

Must be due to to lack of customers. Or maybe its customer appreciation week.

RE-GFE skillset. I don't think its even a skillset- some girls are just easy to get along with. Its how they are. These must get a lot of repeat business.

I hope this girl was damn good for 5000THB. I have not been to Rainbow4 but if you paid 5000 for her I might have to go check it out next time for some stunners. I usually pay 3000 for LT and get 3 pops (2 through the night and one for a wake up call).

[QUOTE=ATexGuy;1507658]A 600THB/$20USD bar fine and I was heading back to the Aloft with one of these girls. While I wasn't sure how long I wanted to keep this girl, I decided to pay the 5000THB/$155USD LT rate for this girl and just see how it goes. I ended up keeping her for a couple hours and sent her home so that I could get some well needed sleep. While she told me at the bar 2 times for LT, I think she would have let me hit it as many times as I could have gone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CheeChee889; 1508529]Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.

Must be due to to lack of customers. Or maybe its customer appreciation week.

RE-GFE skillset. I don't think its even a skillset- some girls are just easy to get along with. Its how they are. These must get a lot of repeat business.[/QUOTE]I wonder, that with your attitude, that you get anything worthwhile from the women. Sorry that your GF dumped you, but there is no need to bash people who are looking for that GFE experience. Yes, they all know it is an illusion but for that brief moment they feel good. So what is wrong with that. You need a different and positive attitude, man. Time to contribute something more than your 7 posts of nothing.

[QUOTE=TorbJorn;1508329]Does anal cost extra at the Eden? If so, how much?[/QUOTE]Do a search here on Eden and you will find tons of reports on what happens at Eden.

[QUOTE=BionicMan;1508665]Do a search here on Eden and you will find tons of reports on what happens at Eden.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.edenbangkok.com[/url]

Just as easy to post a link.

[QUOTE=RockHound74;1508603]I hope this girl was damn good for 5000THB. I have not been to Rainbow4 but if you paid 5000 for her I might have to go check it out next time for some stunners. I usually pay 3000 for LT and get 3 pops (2 through the night and one for a wake up call).[/QUOTE]5000 is normal price! I'd like to see what you get at Rainb 4 for 3,000 baht. Does the girl bring her own bag to wear while having sex?

[QUOTE=CheeChee889;1508529]Who says Thais have no business sense? DaBed hotel in suk. Soi 4 has lowered its short time rate to 300 baht from 350 baht.[/QUOTE]Its probably purely that a competition ST Hotel is a better standard or better price, so they were forced to lower price or have no customers. There are several ST Hotel options.

Sure GFE is not exactly a skill set. Its just that some girls are willing to have a good time (with the right customer) to some extent as well as make money. Non-GFE girls are more for making it business like or procedural for the customer, which is an anti-skill. Who wants to fuck a dead-fish type? Others know how to move their hips and know how to make their pussy squeeze and massage the dick. That is a skill or ability. They don't have to do it if they don't want to but certainly helps the experience greatly for me and many others. Nice DFK makes me hard quicker than any other way.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1508229]So well stated. I agree 100. If all dudes operated from this premise, things would be better for all. How many times have we all heard, "She's different." Uh, no she is not.[/QUOTE]Very cynical attitude, coming from years of disappointment. Every girl is obviously different. It just depends of the extent. Their are great girls well worth repeating for years (for me) , and there are ordinary girls not worth repeating, and there are shockers that I don't meet too often. Their are working girls looking for a boyfriend to settle down. Its just they do sex for a living until they find a good guy, that can solve their problems.

Their are some lovely girls, who may not have special skills, that are forced into the business from severe urgent economic problems. Their are girls that have a work ethic that results in very good honest service for the money. Keep an open mind. The character of working girls varies tremendously. Sure, don't trust them too easily.

[QUOTE=CheeChee889;1508407]Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.[/QUOTE]What is your point? Are you actually saying anything here? Is up to every guy whether they like repeating or want to repeat.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1508833]Very cynical attitude, coming from years of disappointment. Every girl is obviously different. It just depends of the extent. Their are great girls well worth repeating for years (for me) , and there are ordinary girls not worth repeating, and there are shockers that I don't meet too often. Their are working girls looking for a boyfriend to settle down. Its just they do sex for a living until they find a good guy, that can solve their problems.

Their are some lovely girls, who may not have special skills, that are forced into the business from severe urgent economic problems. Their are girls that have a work ethic that results in very good honest service for the money. Keep an open mind. The character of working girls varies tremendously. Sure, don't trust them too easily.[/QUOTE]Cynical? No realistic. Coming from years of living here and years of seeing dude's attempts at relationships with working girls.

Years of disappointment? Had a blast in the past. Still have some fun at times.

"Severe urgent economic problems" are usually the result of bad decisions. No one is "forced" into the business unless they are sold, which is a crime. Yes, I have met girls who have a good work ethic, but they are few and far between. Working in the sex industry is the easy way out. Always has been. They have choices. More and more each day. That is why the quality of gal has gone down so much.

Problem is exactly what you stated above, a guy that can solve their problems. A guy can't solve her problems. He can be bled dry by a parasitic family in the blink of an eye. He can be left high and dry when she finds a "gooder guy."

[QUOTE=CheeChee889;1508407]Come on guys-stop saying you and girl really got along but you won't be doing her again. One time and finish means session wasn't that hot! You guys are not the lovers you think you are. LOL.[/QUOTE]I disagree. I'm normally a "one and done" guy, but it doesn't mean that I didn't get along with the girl or that I didn't find her attractive or good in bed. In Bangkok (or any mongering destination) , I'm not looking for a girlfriend or a wife. I'm on a vacation and an adventure so I want to sample as many girls as possible. If the girl was incredibly "hot" and I hadn't had any luck with any other girl, I might go back for round two; but I'd still be on the hunt for another "hot" girl. Life is too short and there are just too many "hot" girls to sample.

[QUOTE=CheeChee889;1508169]Ponder this. Why would any race want to pay twice what others are paying? Makes no sense. Salarymen work hard like everyone else for their yen.[/QUOTE]Maybe that 'race' lives in a country where getting a similar service is freakingly expensive.

Some of the Japanese tourists will pay 50-60k yen (15-20k Baht) for 1 hour back in Tokyo, without blinking an eye.

Also, in Japan people just don't negotiate the price.

Sometimes I chat with Japanese clients at the bar and their pov is that places such as Baccara and Rainbow 4 are paradise compared to what they get in Japan.

I believe that many regulars to the BKK scene have noted that in previous posts. So I am probably just repeating what someone else said before. Sorry, it's just the 'race' thing that tipped me off.

[QUOTE=Yujin;1508886]I disagree. I'm normally a "one and done" guy, but it doesn't mean that I didn't get along with the girl or that I didn't find her attractive or good in bed. In Bangkok (or any mongering destination) , I'm not looking for a girlfriend or a wife. I'm on a vacation and an adventure so I want to sample as many girls as possible. If the girl was incredibly "hot" and I hadn't had any luck with any other girl, I might go back for round two; but I'd still be on the hunt for another "hot" girl. Life is too short and there are just too many "hot" girls to sample.[/QUOTE]I am with you there. Repeat? Maybe, but after some times passes, like a few months. I am not on vacation, but still want new all the time. Problem is it is getting harder and harder to find lookers that perform at the drop of a hat.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1508833]Their are some lovely girls, who may not have special skills, that are forced into the business from severe urgent economic problems. Their are girls that have a work ethic that results in very good honest service for the money. Keep an open mind. The character of working girls varies tremendously. Sure, don't trust them too easily.[/QUOTE]We talk about what the girls are like and whether they are different or not. Perhaps it's just as valid to discuss the guys and what we are like. Are we all the same, no of course not. Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1508944]We talk about what the girls are like and whether they are different or not. Perhaps it's just as valid to discuss the guys and what we are like. Are we all the same, no of course not. Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.[/QUOTE]Interesting point!

From my experience though it's not about the 'quality' (for lack of a better word) of a monger, it's the lack of insanity of said monger.

I don't speak Thai (and have no interest in learning) so it's a little difficult to for me to really get into a Thai girls head in a one on one situation (and I never repeat so my access to her little brain is limited) but often when I take 2 girls LT, especially during daylight, and in the last few hours, worn down from booze, sex and other fun things, when I know I'm spent, getting bored and am sending them home in a couple of hours I'll get them to talk about their experiences.

And with 2 girls, each experience sparks one from the other so it's less scripted and more sincere.

Rarely do they speak about good times and good guys. They always, in my experience, focus on the bad times either for them or someone they know. And some of the stories are truly ugly (and I'm no pollyanna) They all have some story where they got thrown a really big tip or they see a guy repeatedly who treats them well, but for the 'one offs' it's mostly its one horror story after another.

Now, I do not recommend this topic at all because it is a real buzz kill and it's hard to bring the conversation back around to ribbons and bows and my dick in their mouths when they get all fired up by bad experiences so that why I have only brought it up towards the end of a session.

I think that after just a little while of hooking, the 'fun' wears off and they are mostly in 'damage control' mode either consciously or subconsciously, which for a Thai lady is basically getting in and out safely and with the money she was promised.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1508944]We talk about what the girls are like and whether they are different or not. Perhaps it's just as valid to discuss the guys and what we are like. Are we all the same, no of course not. Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.[/QUOTE]I think fair pay and good manners are the most important. I doubt bfe and pse even is a blip on their list of priorities. I doubt on the bus ride back from issan girls are thinking of a senoir citizen giving them multiple orgasms.

Further. If ippuns were paying way over the top, the Rainbow stages would be full of hot girls trying to get a piece of the action. High season and just ok lookers and many not ok lookers. Rainbow 1 has a certifiable 8 in face and body quality-about as good as you going to get in an agogo. Very friendly too.

I saw even a Jap say girls run out on them early on their agreed on long times too.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1506115]Yep, get a membership.[/QUOTE]Done and done.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1508944]Personally I wouldn't mind reading a forum where the girls discussed the Johns, the sessions they have and what makes up a great experience for them. I could be a mile off the mark but my guess would be in order of priority, generosity, hygiene, good manners and a sense of humor and no doubt if he looks half way decent while not that important definitely a bonus. Despite what we might like to think the BFE (boyfriend) and PSE is of minor importance to them.[/QUOTE]Manners? Are you forgetting that most of these hookers are back-woods country bumpkins who would not know good manners if it socked them in the face? And sense of humor? It is extremely difficult for humor to cross cultures that share the same language. The hope must really be thin for totally different cultures with totally different languages. Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.

arriving back home early tuesday after a rather unusual mongerexperience starting with x mas giftshopping in nyc, meeting my special thaigirl in lax ending up as usual in bkk.

the nyc part was with a close friend from back home and nothing extraordinary about this. during my stay here i recieved information from my special thaigirl she was actually in los angeles for business. me so lucky. beeing weakned and aroused at the same time due to this info i left all my newly bought gifts with my wingman back in nyc and informed him why (he is a very close friend so he was ofcourse supportive). i jumped on a plane and arrived into lax a few hours later last sunday. spending a couple of days with ms sexy are allways nice and we barly left our santa monica hotel (loews is a very nice place by the way). as we speak of without stillettos atleast 170cm well off, pale and very sexy thai beauty it was all worth changing my travel initiery a tad (supposed to be a roundtrip to ewr only). after 3 days inside our suite (almost non stop) i was feeling drenched and my sperm was not white anymore and looked more like ky. i don't know the biology behind it but this girl can make me cum way passed my usual number in one day which normaly would be a maximum of 5 to 6 times incl change of girl at one point during the day.

while checking out from hotel i was once again changing my mind and quickly decided to join ms sexy on her late eve cathay pacific flight to bkk (via hkg) if seats available. i did myself have a late eve virgin atlantic flight the oposite direction, all well coordinated. she checked with cathay and she got me a seat next to her. ofcourse the virgin atlantic driver showed up at loews before i managed to cancel my bookings but he was a good sport, cancelled my bookings and drove us to lax (ofcourse he got generously tipped).

luckely the forward cabin was almost empty except from old fart mr grumpy occupying the 1 left suite. i guess he was a tad jelous as he obviously understood we knew eachother. after eating and getting into our handed out night costumes it was time for some fumbling and she joined me in my suite. sadly cathay does not (like emirates a380) have closed suites as we were in deep need of one. beeing constantly disturbed by a to attentive cabincrew (or curious i don't know) made me get only half a stiffy under the blancet so my mile high dream ended with a modest attempt. i certainly don't know if she jumping (slow) up and down with my slack willy inside her a 3/4 times counts? i guess also almost all my bodyparts were hurtful especialy stumach, hips and shaft / testikles did also played a big role here. ms thai was very wet though so i did fingerplay her until she was dripping making it look like i did [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] my pyjo. well well i tried and did fail. mr grumpy did give me the evil eye as he walked passed a couple of times.

finaly after a good 20 hours (incl stop in hkg) we arrived into bkk. as this for the time beeing is her homeground we kissed and said our good byes inside the cabin and disembarked the plane seperatly. leaving lax late wednesday eve i was sure i was arriving on thursday but it proved to allready be friday. i guess i should start to pay more attention and not living in a fog of hornyness.

taxied to siam kempinski hotel, checked in and met up with my friend (he resides in this luxury environment the lucky bastard). we hit the lobby bar for a few cold ones and planned the eve and decided we would hit one or several g-clubs as a substitute to barhopping. having resided in bkk for quite a while now my friend starts to know his way around the "must know" areas. luckely he is like me and don't enjoy streetwalkers, gogo's, mp's, barfines, beerbars so we are well adjusted into the regular girls and freelance scene. dealing with fl's we run a strict no price discussion program and girls mentioning money are ditched as it takes away the illusion of certain normality. that beeing said most of the girls dealing with me, if they want it or not, will be compensated from guilt. i find this works the best for me and motivation to perform for a fl are on the high side when she doesn't know anything about size of compensation (normaly these days it runs from 3 to 5k bhats viewed upon place and quality of the fl). i put my pride into chemistry building and a good screening process. if laughs, communication, smiles, kissing and fumbling eachothers bodies are on the high side out in the club things will hardly go wrong when it is time for processing the sex part. then the fl's usualy run a non limitation program on me and mostly stay to long time.

we hit g clubs named pegasus and the pimp. the pegasus was to stiff to my liking and looked very muched like a royal castle both outside and inside. a place quite on the hi so side and the girls were very beautiful. my friend have treated himself with a membership of the polite price 50k one year incl 10 grey goose 1l vodkas and vip access (extras free). we shipped a few drinks and yougurt and nadia joined in. i must say they have funny names in los especially yougurt. we finished a few drinks, tipped the girls and mamasan (1k each) and headed for the pimp.

the pimp in pratha uthid road was a very cool place. more like a combination of nightclub, strip joint, bar areas and nice seatings. it proved my friend also bought himself a membership here as well worth of 30k bahts (incl btls of tequila and grey goose). the girls are easygoing and fun and many of them were to my liking. especially one named fiat (another very fun name for a girl). some of her friends joined her and we were suddenly 4 girls and 2 guys boozing / fooling around. pricestructurewice don't visit g-clubs if you are cheap charlie. we spend probably on the high side so it is ofcourse possible to have simular fun for lower cost. the total bill when night ended was above 30k i was told and then my friend allready paid for the drinks. what will add up your bill on the high side are drinks for the ladies (400 or 500bht for each drink). the fun part is that even if you have prepaid bottles you are supposed to pay the girls even if they drink from your bottle. if a girl will come with you or not is totaly up to her and no one else. but inside pimp and pegasus (my friend told me) there are ofcourse girls who are willing to do this if they like you.

my impression talking to fiat and others was that most of them (atleast the 4 we talked to) were uni students, mid twenties and quite on the bright side. i must say these girls in general runs on a higher level than the gogo girls and the normal fl girl (my impression from looking around at the girls). inside the club their job is ofcourse to squeeze as much money out of customers as they can and fiat told on a busy night she could easily make 5 to 6k (her comission and i have no reason to not believe her). she was running a master in international politics and even if i started to become shitfaced no wonder she knew quite a lot (even our new prime ministers name). she asked her manager if she was allowed to finish early so around 1am we headed home to my hotel my friend left behind (he could not care less). i think pimp closes at around 2am. very cool place and much more casual than pegasus.

fiat was much better than the car after my impression and wow what a body. she was a tad shorter than ms los angeles but not by much (160 to 165cm) , nice firm tetas and an arrow of hair directing towards her clit area. very slim vaist and nice hips. her ass was as thight as they come. she was sucking my tounge and bit it. we did go on and off with sessions, had a room serviced red curry break, and back to work. she enjoyed me playing her ass with fingers and tounge. i used herpussyjuice as lube for some serious ass action but sadly while it went inside it was to hurtful for her so pulled out continuing doing her pussy. i managed to get her to leave kempinski around 4 pm with 4k unknowingly stucked into her purse. i will maby put her on my must repeat list.

when i woke up around 7pm i did surprise my friend in his apartment with 2 stunners from yesterdays pimp. i was stealing a whiskey from his minibar and watched them doing eachother. they did not leave until 9pm.

we arrived grease in suk soi49. very nice place with middle to hi so crowd and easygoing crowd. not a place for mongering alone as most girls come in groups but ofcourse if you are extremely extroverted and sociable you may have success. i find it more easy to have my wingman and soon after buying a couple of bottles we invited a couple of stunners eyeballing us over to our table. grease comes in a 4 fl package with different themes according to the floor. we sat outside area. the girls introduced themself as raja and nitcha. they were working colleauges (all info according to themself). told to be 30 but looked maby early 20. we drank, had fun, did some moonwalking and left for home with eachothers girl. made a short stop in mixx as it is along the way and the girls wanted to dance and it is open late. after shipping a few arrived back to my suite. we continued party (all 4) in my suite and it ended in sex activities both up and downstairs. nitcha was nice enough but my recent games have been rather on the very beautiful side. she was maby only 160cm or so but was a sexual monster (positive meaning). i did no work as she took care of that. she was as usual very gfe in combi of pse and did have no limitation. i asked for giving her a rep002 but luckely i put it in a humoristic manner so we just laughed it away when she declined (if she only knew). compensated her 3k when she left in the evening.

sunday met up with a cabincrewgirl i did make out with a couple of months ago. this time after dining at mezzaluna (lebua) we headed back to her apartment and developed the kissingprogram intofucking. nothing special as she most likely is in it with me for relationship purposes which i am not interested in as i am allready taken. she knows my wingman so i have to put it nicely to her when i return in january as i don't want to make him have hard time and beeing excluded from his exclusively group of cabincrewgirls.

now arrived back to a barking gf. omg.

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1508983]Interesting point!

From my experience though it's not about the 'quality' (for lack of a better word) of a monger, it's the lack of insanity of said monger.

I don't speak Thai (and have no interest in learning) so it's a little difficult to for me to really get into a Thai girls head in a one on one situation (and I never repeat so my access to her little brain is limited) but often when I take 2 girls LT, especially during daylight, and in the last few hours, worn down from booze, sex and other fun things, when I know I'm spent, getting bored and am sending them home in a couple of hours I'll get them to talk about their experiences.

And with 2 girls, each experience sparks one from the other so it's less scripted and more sincere.

Rarely do they speak about good times and good guys. They always, in my experience, focus on the bad times either for them or someone they know. And some of the stories are truly ugly (and I'm no pollyanna) They all have some story where they got thrown a really big tip or they see a guy repeatedly who treats them well, but for the 'one offs' it's mostly its one horror story after another...[/QUOTE]Very well put.

Imagine a good day for the girl. A strange old man grabs her tits. Feels her vagina, put a penis in the vagina, ask if the anus is available, kisses the girl. Pumps for hours without cumming due to viagara, etc. All covererd. And this is a good normal customer. LOL.

All this day after day and they are rubbish by mid-20s.

How some guys think the girls got it good is beyond me.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1509098]Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.[/QUOTE]Some people prefer a bit of chemistry in their sexual life.

Rather than it being like recieving coke from a machine.

"If you enjoy pumping away on an object that would rather be texting on their smart phone than pretending to any interest in the work for which they've been paid? Then yes. This is for you!"

Fucking Brilliant!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1509098]Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks?

Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger?

They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1509098]Manners? Are you forgetting that most of these hookers are back-woods country bumpkins who would not know good manners if it socked them in the face? And sense of humor? It is extremely difficult for humor to cross cultures that share the same language. The hope must really be thin for totally different cultures with totally different languages. Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.[/QUOTE]Correct. They are akin to a West Virginia hillbilly, but with all their teeth. Most have very poor manners, are loud, and don't know how to conduct themselves. I find it so amusing when a monger takes an obvious bar girl in bar girl garb to a very upscale restaurant. Everyone is uncomfortable except the Dude. What a boob.

[quote=skogis; 1509105]arriving back home early tuesday after a rather unusual mongerexperience starting with x mas giftshopping in nyc, meeting my special thaigirl in lax ending up as usual in bkk.

the nyc part was with a close friend from back home and nothing extraordinary about this. during my stay here i recieved information from my special thaigirl she was actually in los angeles for business. me so lucky. beeing weakned and aroused at the same time due to this info i left all my newly bought gifts with my wingman back in nyc and informed him why (he is a very close friend so he was ofcourse supportive). i jumped on a plane and arrived into lax a few hours later last sunday. spending a couple of days with ms sexy are allways nice and we barly left our santa monica hotel (loews is a very nice place by the way). as we speak of without stillettos atleast 170cm well off, pale and very sexy thai beauty it was all worth changing my travel initiery a tad (supposed to be a roundtrip to ewr only). after 3 days inside our suite (almost non stop) i was feeling drenched and my sperm was not white anymore and looked more like ky. i don't know the biology behind it but this girl can make me cum way passed my usual number in one day which normaly would be a maximum of 5 to 6 times incl change of girl at one point during the day.

while checking out from hotel i was once again changing my mind and quickly decided to join ms sexy on her late eve cathay pacific flight to bkk (via hkg) if seats available. i did myself have a late eve virgin atlantic flight the oposite direction, all well coordinated. she checked with cathay and she got me a seat next to her. ofcourse the virgin atlantic driver showed up at loews before i managed to cancel my bookings but he was a good sport, cancelled my bookings and drove us to lax (ofcourse he got generously tipped).

luckely the forward cabin was almost empty except from old fart mr grumpy occupying the 1 left suite. i guess he was a tad jelous as he obviously understood we knew eachother. after eating and getting into our handed out night costumes it was time for some fumbling and she joined me in my suite. sadly cathay does not (like emirates a380) have closed suites as we were in deep need of one. beeing constantly disturbed by a to attentive cabincrew (or curious i don't know) made me get only half a stiffy under the blancet so my mile high dream ended with a modest attempt. i certainly don't know if she jumping (slow) up and down with my slack willy inside her a 3/4 times counts? i guess also almost all my bodyparts were hurtful especialy stumach, hips and shaft / testikles did also played a big role here. ms thai was very wet though so i did fingerplay her until she was dripping making it look like i did [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] my pyjo. well well i tried and did fail. mr grumpy did give me the evil eye as he walked passed a couple of times.

finaly after a good 20 hours (incl stop in hkg) we arrived into bkk. as this for the time beeing is her homeground we kissed and said our good byes inside the cabin and disembarked the plane seperatly. leaving lax late wednesday eve i was sure i was arriving on thursday but it proved to allready be friday. i guess i should start to pay more attention and not living in a fog of hornyness.

taxied to siam kempinski hotel, checked in and met up with my friend (he resides in this luxury environment the lucky bastard). we hit the lobby bar for a few cold ones and planned the eve and decided we would hit one or several g-clubs as a substitute to barhopping. having resided in bkk for quite a while now my friend starts to know his way around the "must know" areas. luckely he is like me and don't enjoy streetwalkers, gogo's, mp's, barfines, beerbars so we are well adjusted into the regular girls and freelance scene. dealing with fl's we run a strict no price discussion program and girls mentioning money are ditched as it takes away the illusion of certain normality. that beeing said most of the girls dealing with me, if they want it or not, will be compensated from guilt. i find this works the best for me and motivation to perform for a fl are on the high side when she doesn't know anything about size of compensation (normaly these days it runs from 3 to 5k bhats viewed upon place and quality of the fl). i put my pride into chemistry building and a good screening process. if laughs, communication, smiles, kissing and fumbling eachothers bodies are on the high side out in the club things will hardly go wrong when it is time for processing the sex part. then the fl's usualy run a non limitation program on me and mostly stay to long time.

we hit g clubs named pegasus and the pimp. the pegasus was to stiff to my liking and looked very muched like a royal castle both outside and inside. a place quite on the hi so side and the girls were very beautiful. my friend have treated himself with a membership of the polite price 50k one year incl 10 grey goose 1l vodkas and vip access (extras free). we shipped a few drinks and yougurt and nadia joined in. i must say they have funny names in los especially yougurt. we finished a few drinks, tipped the girls and mamasan (1k each) and headed for the pimp.

the pimp in pratha uthid road was a very cool place. more like a combination of nightclub, strip joint, bar areas and nice seatings. it proved my friend also bought himself a membership here as well worth of 30k bahts (incl btls of tequila and grey goose). the girls are easygoing and fun and many of them were to my liking. especially one named fiat (another very fun name for a girl). some of her friends joined her and we were suddenly 4 girls and 2 guys boozing / fooling around. pricestructurewice don't visit g-clubs if you are cheap charlie. we spend probably on the high side so it is ofcourse possible to have simular fun for lower cost. the total bill when night ended was above 30k i was told and then my friend allready paid for the drinks. what will add up your bill on the high side are drinks for the ladies (400 or 500bht for each drink). the fun part is that even if you have prepaid bottles you are supposed to pay the girls even if they drink from your bottle. if a girl will come with you or not is totaly up to her and no one else. but inside pimp and pegasus (my friend told me) there are ofcourse girls who are willing to do this if they like you.

my impression talking to fiat and others was that most of them (atleast the 4 we talked to) were uni students, mid twenties and quite on the bright side. i must say these girls in general runs on a higher level than the gogo girls and the normal fl girl (my impression from looking around at the girls). inside the club their job is ofcourse to squeeze as much money out of customers as they can and fiat told on a busy night she could easily make 5 to 6k (her comission and i have no reason to not believe her). she was running a master in international politics and even if i started to become shitfaced no wonder she knew quite a lot (even our new prime ministers name). she asked her manager if she was allowed to finish early so around 1am we headed home to my hotel my friend left behind (he could not care less). i think pimp closes at around 2am. very cool place and much more casual than pegasus.

fiat was much better than the car after my impression and wow what a body. she was a tad shorter than ms los angeles but not by much (160 to 165cm) , nice firm tetas and an arrow of hair directing towards her clit area. very slim vaist and nice hips. her ass was as thight as they come. she was sucking my tounge and bit it. we did go on and off with sessions, had a room serviced red curry break, and back to work. she enjoyed me playing her ass with fingers and tounge. i used herpussyjuice as lube for some serious ass action but sadly while it went inside it was to hurtful for her so pulled out continuing doing her pussy. i managed to get her to leave kempinski around 4 pm with 4k unknowingly stucked into her purse. i will maby put her on my must repeat list.

when i woke up around 7pm i did surprise my friend in his apartment with 2 stunners from yesterdays pimp. i was stealing a whiskey from his minibar and watched them doing eachother. they did not leave until 9pm.

we arrived grease in suk soi49. very nice place with middle to hi so crowd and easygoing crowd. not a place for mongering alone as most girls come in groups but ofcourse if you are extremely extroverted and sociable you may have success. i find it more easy to have my wingman and soon after buying a couple of bottles we invited a couple of stunners eyeballing us over to our table. grease comes in a 4 fl package with different themes according to the floor. we sat outside area. the girls introduced themself as raja and nitcha. they were working colleauges (all info according to themself). told to be 30 but looked maby early 20. we drank, had fun, did some moonwalking and left for home with eachothers girl. made a short stop in mixx as it is along the way and the girls wanted to dance and it is open late. after shipping a few arrived back to my suite. we continued party (all 4) in my suite and it ended in sex activities both up and downstairs. nitcha was nice enough but my recent games have been rather on the very beautiful side. she was maby only 160cm or so but was a sexual monster (positive meaning). i did no work as she took care of that. she was as usual very gfe in combi of pse and did have no limitation. i asked for giving her a rep002 but luckely i put it in a humoristic manner so we just laughed it away when she declined (if she only knew). compensated her 3k when she left in the evening.

sunday met up with a cabincrewgirl i did make out with a couple of months ago. this time after dining at mezzaluna (lebua) we headed back to her apartment and developed the kissingprogram intofucking. nothing special as she most likely is in it with me for relationship purposes which i am not interested in as i am allready taken. she knows my wingman so i have to put it nicely to her when i return in january as i don't want to make him have hard time and beeing excluded from his exclusively group of cabincrewgirls.

now arrived back to a barking gf. omg.[/quote]great report, sounds like fun, but the main thing i want to know is have you gotten some real raw denim jeans and ditched those diesels yet?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1509098]Manners? Are you forgetting that most of these hookers are back-woods country bumpkins who would not know good manners if it socked them in the face? And sense of humor? It is extremely difficult for humor to cross cultures that share the same language. The hope must really be thin for totally different cultures with totally different languages. Pay the money and ride the rides and stop trying to make friends with the carneys. Besides, why the heck would you care what a hooker thinks? Do you also care what the person at McDonald's thinks when you tell them you don't want onions on your burger? They aren't doing you any favors; you are paying for a service. When you finish with her, her mind is on to finding the next customer, not rating her experience with the previous 30.[/QUOTE]Although speaking with the same tongue is obviously preferable you can have a level of communication without. Known as non verbal, body gestures such as eye contact, a smile, a hug, a kiss and touch can be just as sensual and connective as sweet nothings in her ear. As regards their background and whether they know what good manners are I feel everybody knows good manners when they see it. It is simply treating people with respect. Conversely we all know bad manners when we see it and unfortunately from my experience of life in Bangkok the latter is too often on view.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1509135]I find it so amusing when a monger takes an obvious bar girl in bar girl garb to a very upscale restaurant. Everyone is uncomfortable except the Dude. What a boob.[/QUOTE]Its the "meal of shame" Fabulous!

Especially when you have the waitress describe every dish to the little moron you are with and watch them both squirm. Hey, its included in the cost of the admission.

Of course one treat is that the husbands of the wives in the restaurant can't stop staring. And the wives too sometimes.

Its your own little puppet show!

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1509118]Some people prefer a bit of chemistry in their sexual life rather than it being like recieving coke from a machine.[/QUOTE]Hey believe what you want, there's no wrong answer. Its your fantasy!

[QUOTE=Skogis;1509105]We spend probably on the high side so it is ofcourse possible to have simular fun for lower cost. The total bill when night ended was above 30K I was told and then my friend allready paid for the drinks. What will add up your bill on the high side are drinks for the ladies (400 or 500bht for each drink). The fun part is that even if you have prepaid bottles you are supposed to pay the girls even if they drink from your bottle.[/QUOTE]Hahahahaha! When in Bangkok I bet you also use 1000 Baht notes as toilet paper, right?

(Never-mind; I'm just one of those jealous Cheap Charlie's)

I Enjoy your reports.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1509135]Correct. They are akin to a West Virginia hillbilly, but with all their teeth. Most have very poor manners, are loud, and don't know how to conduct themselves. I find it so amusing when a monger takes an obvious bar girl in bar girl garb to a very upscale restaurant. Everyone is uncomfortable except the Dude. What a boob.[/QUOTE]Ok looks like I am going to have to spell this out. Here in Bangkok we have a lot of girls selling their pussy that have their shit together. The type of girls Skogis seems to be getting with, who live in any building in this city and you can find in my bed on any given day. Maybe they are opportunists more then working girls, which is why I never compensate and we usually still remain friends. They know the more they hang around foreigners the more good things will happen to them financially, whether it's 4000 in their purse, free meals, free club entrance, a rich boyfriend, husband or whatever. Maybe they have a little bit of standards and take a little bit of work but are still game for any guy that isn't a total weirdo or slob. The less you think she genuinely likes you the more generosity you should show her financially. Always keep in mind how girls normally act towards you as compared to the girls I speak of found at the bars and clubs in Sukhumvit, all listed below.

[url]http://www.bangkok.com/sukhumvit/nightlife.htm[/url]

But seems you are referring to the obvious mongering destinations like massage parlors and bars. Even there you can find smart, polite girls who do not walk around town with their pussy hanging out. Admittedly, not a high percentage, but you can if that is what you desire.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1509118]Some people prefer a bit of chemistry in their sexual life.[/QUOTE]You can't buy chemistry (but you can rent decent actors). You said that yourself: [QUOTE=PinkPearl;1509118]"If you enjoy pumping away on an object that would rather be texting on their smart phone than [b]pretending[/b] to any interest in the work[/QUOTE] Alchemists have been trying to do it forever. That's what girlfriends are for. But if you can't seem to be able to get one then that is another issue.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1509266]You can't buy chemistry (but you can rent decent actors). You said that yourself:

(snip)

Alchemists have been trying to do it forever. That's what girlfriends are for. But if you can't seem to be able to get one then that is another issue.[/QUOTE]Many want me to be their slave, er, BF, but I prefer freedom to have chemistry & biology class inside P4P ladies. To see the stained bed sheets after the deed is done. To make the girls squirm & cry:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-fev20voMc[/url]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1508983]I don't speak Thai (and have no interest in learning) so it's a little difficult to for me to really get into a Thai girls head in a one on one situation (and I never repeat so my access to her little brain is limited)[/QUOTE]Speaking the language does have it's benefits and allows access into their "little brains". It's bizarre and strange inside there, and most of the time you'd wish you hadn't entered at all!

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1509105]Arriving back home early Tuesday after a rather unusual mongerexperience starting with x mas giftshopping in NYC, meeting my special thaigirl in LAX ending up as usual in BKK.

The NYC part was with a close friend from back home and nothing extraordinary about this. During my stay here I recieved information from my special thaigirl she was actually in Los Angeles for business. Me so lucky. Beeing weakned and aroused at the same time due to this info I left all my newly bought gifts with my wingman back in NYC and informed him why (he is a very close friend so he was ofcourse supportive). I jumped on a plane and arrived into LAX a few hours later last Sunday. Spending a couple of days with ms sexy are allways nice and we barly left our Santa Monica hotel (Loews is a very nice place by the way). As we speak of without stillettos atleast 170cm well off, pale and very sexy thai beauty it was all worth changing my travel initiery a tad (supposed to be a roundtrip to EWR only). After 3 days inside our suite (almost non stop) I was feeling drenched and my sperm was not white anymore and looked more like KY. I don't know the biology behind it but this girl can make me cum way passed my usual number in one day which normaly would be a maximum of 5 to 6 times incl change of girl at one point during the day...[/QUOTE]Mr Skogis wins the " How far would you go to monger award 2013." Nice report as always sir!

[QUOTE=CheeChee889; 1509108]Very well put.

Imagine a good day for the girl. A strange old man grabs her tits. Feels her vagina, put a penis in the vagina, ask if the anus is available, kisses the girl. Pumps for hours without cumming due to viagara, etc. All covererd. And this is a good normal customer. LOL.

All this day after day and they are rubbish by mid-20s.

How some guys think the girls got it good is beyond me.[/QUOTE]+1 from me. Bargirls generally rush to me quickly as I am relatively nice, fair, and not stingy on the scale of things and they well know there are limits to my bad behaviour. I may grab the tits or bum briefly / playfully if I know her well, but at least I don't ask for BB or A-hole and never give her a real "pounding". They are not scared of me at all. They tell me how bad some of the other customers are though. The really top bar girls are lucky enough to be able to choose and shun the customers they don't like. Regular customers generally get preference too (not the most handsome).

Its very easy to be like a "Prince among toads", without any special looks.

Been short-timing an ex-Rainbow 4 superstar the last 2 weeks. Value awesome at 2500 vs over $110 when she was on stage. She has admitted she has put on weight. Looking back over the past 2 weeks I notice a shape that resembles pregnancy. Bigger tits than I recall, tenderness when sucking. LOL.

Is it a bargirls M. O. To tell customers she just eating a lot to explain weight gain. As much as I like her I want no part of her if she is pregnant. I have my standards as a customer!

Tidbit, I bet this girl has more customers than than many of the girls working Rainbow 4.

[quote=syzygies; 1509538]bargirls generally rush to me quickly as i am relatively nice, fair, and not stingy on the scale of things and they well know there are limits to my bad behaviour. i may grab the tits or bum briefly / playfully if i know her well, but at least i don't ask for bb or a-hole and never give her a real "pounding". they are not scared of me at all. they tell me how bad some of the other customers are though. regular customers generally get preference too (not the most handsome).

its very easy to be like a "prince among toads", [/quote]it always amazes me when i read reports from guys who write bitterly about their experiences with go go girls in quality bars and talk of suffering consistently bad attitudes or lousy performance. it is bad luck of the draw when a customer occasionally experiences a so so night with a girl, but when this happens more than once within a short span of time, the fault is usually the guys. treat the girls nice. act like you are having a good time, in fact, aren't you? don't be tight about buying drinks. try to be a nice guy; smile and give the girls a reason to smile too. make the girls feel at ease. is that so hard? practice good hygiene. brush your teeth and rinse with listerine. wear clean clothes. and very important: learn how to shag. i find this very funny, but "pounding" a girl like a jack hammer is not good technique unless the girl asks for a "pounding'. and what is all this bullshit with ass fucking? just because it is all over the internet porn sites does not make it a fantastic desirable sex act. it is not all its drummed up to be. same same with cum in the mouth. it is a big internet thing and not much more. ok that's my opinion, but most thai girls are not into anal and do not want to swallow your cum. is this really news to anybody? if you want that shit (pardon the pun) limit yourself to the +a places or go to tijuana and forget about thailand.

p.s. the way you treat a girl spreads quickly throughout the go go grapevine. once you have established yourself as a good guy customer, you will be amazed at how the girls will warm to you. your reputation will proceed you every time you go back to that go go.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1507681]So let me get this right: BJ only with EE? That can't be all that's available. If a punter wanted more all he had to do was order up full service for 1000bt extra on top of the BJ service, right? The web site states "for VIP Service + 1000" and then the VIP room has a bed and soapy tub. So I am assuming that full service is on the menu if you want it.

Personally I'd take L or P over EE any day. EE's tits are a bad joke. (just my opinion) Still if all I wanted was a mouth massage, I guess EE might be ok. Her lips look interesting.[/QUOTE]Natty,

Sorry for the delay in answering. I have been very busy of late as well as being down the gym a lot. The plus 1000 is for full sex in the standard BJ booth and the duration is one hour whereas the VIP room with optional soapy is for two hours. To clarify the price question the two hour VIP is now 3,000 baht and not 2,500 as it was before. To put this into perspective this is the first price increase I have had in more than two years and the extra 500 baht goes to the ladies and not the establishment. Hope this helps.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Skogis; 1509105]Arriving back home early Tuesday after a rather unusual mongerexperience starting with x mas giftshopping in NYC, meeting my special thaigirl in LAX ending up as usual in BKK.

(snipped)

Now arrived back to a barking GF. OMG.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to sell the movie rights to your life to some Hollywood director.

[quote=natty bumpo; 1509680]it always amazes me when i read reports from guys who write bitterly about their experiences with go go girls in quality bars and talk of suffering consistently bad attitudes or lousy performance. it is bad luck of the draw when a customer occasionally experiences a so so night with a girl, but when this happens more than once within a short span of time, the fault is usually the guys. treat the girls nice.

p. s. the way you treat a girl spreads quickly throughout the go go grapevine. once you have established yourself as a good guy customer, you will be amazed at how the girls will warm to you. your reputation will proceed you every time you go back to that go go.[/quote]just like with any business. treat your vendors with respect and they come through in times of need. treat them like inferiors and watch them laugh when you hit a crisis.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1509692]Natty,

Sorry for the delay in answering. I have been very busy of late as well as being down the gym a lot. The plus 1000 is for full sex in the standard BJ booth and the duration is one hour whereas the VIP room with optional soapy is for two hours. To clarify the price question the two hour VIP is now 3, 000 baht and not 2, 500 as it was before. To put this into perspective this is the first price increase I have had in more than two years and the extra 500 baht goes to the ladies and not the establishment. Hope this helps.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]Just a suggestion that you might want to clarify the pricing section of your website. The way it reads now is "+ 1000 Baht for VIP Service". Since the rooms page says to check the prices page for the VIP room, and there is no other mention of the VIP room on the price page, I take it to mean the VIP room is 1000 baht extra for the VIP room, when it is actually +2000 Baht. Just my 0. 65 baht worth.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1509680]It always amazes me when I read reports from guys who write bitterly about their experiences with Go Go girls .If you want that shit (pardon the pun) limit yourself to the +A places or go to Tijuana and forget about Thailand.[/QUOTE]No, don't forget Thailand. There are LBs for that.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1509769]No, don't forget Thailand. There are LBs for that.[/QUOTE]I wish there was a "like" button! LOL.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1509736]Don't forget to sell the movie rights to your life to some Hollywood director.[/QUOTE]Yep, like movies, his reports are a good piece of fiction ho ho ho!

[quote=natty bumpo; 1509680]it always amazes me when i read reports from guys who write bitterly about their experiences with go go girls in quality bars and talk of suffering consistently bad attitudes or lousy performance. it is bad luck of the draw when a customer occasionally experiences a so so night with a girl, but when this happens more than once within a short span of time, the fault is usually the guys. treat the girls nice. act like you are having a good time, in fact, aren't you? don't be tight about buying drinks. try to be a nice guy; smile and give the girls a reason to smile too. make the girls feel at ease. is that so hard? practice good hygiene. brush your teeth and rinse with listerine. wear clean clothes. and very important: learn how to shag. i find this very funny, but "pounding" a girl like a jack hammer is not good technique unless the girl asks for a "pounding'. and what is all this bullshit with ass fucking? just because it is all over the internet porn sites does not make it a fantastic desirable sex act. it is not all its drummed up to be. same same with cum in the mouth. it is a big internet thing and not much more. ok that's my opinion, but most thai girls are not into anal and do not want to swallow your cum. is this really news to anybody?

p. s. the way you treat a girl spreads quickly throughout the go go grapevine. once you have established yourself as a good guy customer, you will be amazed at how the girls will warm to you. your reputation will proceed you every time you go back to that go go.[/quote]natty,

i agree with almost every single point you make. all good advice for getting on well with the girls. there are shit bar girls and good ones, and the same girl can be both depending on how you treat them. we have the time to see firstly which girls are highly exciting looking with their gear off. we have time to check their attitudes and the chemistry. then have to try, and sometimes / often (not always) find an extremely good or fun fuck to go with the optics. i am not looking for a porn star. bargirls may prefer to work the bar since they can choose their customers. i have seen a guy write that a girl was poor and scared on the bed (with pounding) and for me the same girl was a very enthusiastic great fuck wanting orgasm and great kissing, because i had concern for her enjoyment and making sure her pussy did not cop a bruising. if i go in the bar, she always runs to me (probably my favourite in that bar and great ass. young but has a baby already).

could go into an oily and get a girl whose body is a disaster (saggy ass, sloppy belly) and no turn on at all. see recent posts. i have a gf who has a very good curvy body (no sag) and good face, so i cannot drop my standards when mongering. just would not be a turn on after gf is still a great turn on (after 8 years).

porn doesn't affect me so have no desire to imitate all the warped / weird things that porn promotes. same as i don't want to be brain washed by religion and many other things.

i do see a value in cim, if the girl is happy with it. for me, this is when i have had too much sex and the next pop is going to be a very difficult one. however i never ask bargirls for cim. for guys who want a porn star, i recommend them to stick to the pse type of oilies. not my requirement.

[QUOTE=CheeChee889;1509631]Is it a bargirls M. O. To tell customers she just eating a lot to explain weight gain. As much as I like her I want no part of her if she is pregnant. I have my standards as a customer![/QUOTE]If she is pregnant, she could make a killing. So many guys want to fuck a pregnant girl. Some sort of warped fantasy.

I recall seeing a dark skinned Sukhumvit SW a few years back that looked at least 7 months pregnant. I didn't try.

[QUOTE=Beer Monger;1509759]Just a suggestion that you might want to clarify the pricing section of your website. The way it reads now is "+ 1000 Baht for VIP Service". Since the rooms page says to check the prices page for the VIP room, and there is no other mention of the VIP room on the price page, I take it to mean the VIP room is 1000 baht extra for the VIP room, when it is actually +2000 Baht. Just my 0. 65 baht worth.[/QUOTE]Happy to oblige. The plus 1000 is for VIP "service" as opposed to VIP room meaning one hour in the standard BJ booth with blow-job and sex. The VIP "room" is for two hours at a cost of 3000 baht (as I stated previously). I hope this makes things clearer.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1510046]Happy to oblige. The plus 1000 is for VIP "service" as opposed to VIP room meaning one hour in the standard BJ booth with blow-job and sex. The VIP "room" is for two hours at a cost of 3000 baht (as I stated previously). I hope this makes things clearer.

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]I am guessing that he was suggesting that the website needed an update to make it more clear.

Been in here multiple times in recent weeks trying to get the hang of the place, IMHO equal to Baccarra w / o the fire trap issue As far as "Superstars" I would say at least 30% are at least the stunning variety but not sure who would be given the superstar rating (R4 experts might want to chime in) , with #15 a slender cute blonde who was in last night probably the best last night. Although she doesn't seem to barfine much at last when I've seem her iTC in the last few weeks. Not in last night but great ass is #196. Now there is a very hot dancer #31 but dances crazy and perhaps actually is crazy. #8 very very cute. Not sure what normal level of business is in this club, while it draws good crowds every night. It does seem bar fine level is rather low. Maybe the demonstration issues cutting visitors.

Oveall this club looks excellent I have to admit

[QUOTE=Western787; 1510247]Been in here multiple times in recent weeks trying to get the hang of the place, IMHO equal to Baccarra w / o the fire trap issue As far as "Superstars" I would say at least 30% are at least the stunning variety but not sure who would be given the superstar rating (R4 experts might want to chime in) , with #15 a slender cute blonde who was in last night probably the best last night. Although she doesn't seem to barfine much at last when I've seem her iTC in the last few weeks. Not in last night but great ass is #196. Now there is a very hot dancer #31 but dances crazy and perhaps actually is crazy. #8 very very cute. Not sure what normal level of business is in this club, while it draws good crowds every night. It does seem bar fine level is rather low. Maybe the demonstration issues cutting visitors.

Oveall this club looks excellent I have to admit[/QUOTE]Not many guys rate #8 as hot. How do I know- she doesn't get barfined much. I see perhaps 3% stunners if that much.

Guys barfining does seem way less than I used to see. A whole lot of lookers only. I just don't see much girls worth $100 a pop. Maybe the market sees what I see- who knows.

My current analysis of Baccara. Haven't been there in over a week due to the stars not showing up, maybe theyve been barfined at 8. 59.

Crazy H had a few nice nudes on display. The night I went they were way better than the clothed.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1510246]Yeh I know what you mean TH. Apart from the ridiculous amount of name dropping, hotels, restaurants, clubs (always a sign of insecurity) there is a tedious familiarity to his posts. The girls are nearly always university students, executives or air hostesses, young and beautiful who find him so irresistible that they cannot wait to get their asses buggered. I have been around for a while and in my experience people with real money never talk about it nor do men who women find irresistible need to tell the world about it, but who knows! And before you start foaming at the mouth, no it is not envy because not being short of a bob or two I've been there done that in most of the Bangkok locations mentioned.[/QUOTE]Someone is staying at these hotels and fucking these girls. As a guy living 90% that life at 1% the price I find his stories perfectly believable. Not a big deal if there is exaggeration. And there are many guys spending that much and more on the girls. If there is one thing I would question Mr. Skogis is how he claims to get ass play most the time, even after money isn't mentioned. Is this like money is not mentioned after you split a 5000 baht bottle and she see you tip everyone 1000 baht type deals. As easy as it is to get pussy here, I find it very hard for the cute girls to give into ass fucking, working girls and normal, especially on the first encounter. If it is true, my guess would be the girls see a $500 per night hotel room and think they are in for a big pay day or are just not as hot as I am imagining.

I apologize if this is a dumb question. And I'll ask it nevertheless. On a couple of occasions there has been reference to a "second floor" at R4. Recently I ducked in and out rather quickly and all I saw was the stage with all the women dancing in bikinis. What did I miss?

SW4

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1509680]And what is all this bullshit with ass fucking? Just because it is all over the internet porn sites does not make it a fantastic desirable sex act.

It is not all its drummed up to be. Is this really news to anybody?

If you want that shit (pardon the pun) limit yourself to the +A places or go to Tijuana and forget about Thailand.[/QUOTE]I don't get it, why do you care if guys are fuckin asses? Sounds like a personal preference between consenting adults.

[QUOTE=CheeChee889; 1510259]Not many guys rate #8 as hot. How do I know- she doesn't get barfined much. I see perhaps 3% stunners if that much.

Guys barfining does seem way less than I used to see. A whole lot of lookers only. I just don't see much girls worth $100 a pop. Maybe the market sees what I see- who knows.

My current analysis of Baccara. Haven't been there in over a week due to the stars not showing up, maybe theyve been barfined at 8. 59.

Crazy H had a few nice nudes on display. The night I went they were way better than the clothed.[/QUOTE]Yes, my 30% stunners description is too generous, but by typical western standardsIMHO I see it as higher than 3. As far as #8 its that freshed face bird next door look that has an appeal. Hang around the ball busting fems in NYC and London-and in comparison Bangkok go go dancers can look pretty hot

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4; 1510462]I apologize if this is a dumb question. And I'll ask it nevertheless. On a couple of occasions there has been reference to a "second floor" at R4. Recently I ducked in and out rather quickly and all I saw was the stage with all the women dancing in bikinis. What did I miss?

SW4[/QUOTE]Bacarra and Shark at Cowboy but far I've seen no 2nd floor at R4 in Nana

At Soi Cowboy, spent a couple hrs there Saturday night, somewhat light crowd. Theater style seating not bad. Very young but pretty decent lineup. Unlike Rainbow 4 in Nana where the girls seem to just lay back between dance sets and talk to each other, at Shark they were all over the place pushing to sit down and sell lady drinks, some begging with the Wai thing. Didn't see any blokes doing any barfines while I was there.

In regard to Rainbow 4 other than #31 who I think (while rather hot) could be crazy, anyone know why the girls just keep to themselves pretty much?

I am guessing management at Rainbow 4 must instruct the girls to lay back vs Shark where they are told to be aggressive.

[QUOTE=SirWilliam4; 1510462]I apologize if this is a dumb question. And I'll ask it nevertheless. On a couple of occasions there has been reference to a "second floor" at R4. Recently I ducked in and out rather quickly and all I saw was the stage with all the women dancing in bikinis. What did I miss?

SW4[/QUOTE]Probably the fact that its on 2nd floor in Nana Plaza, maybe a translation issue

Thanks Western787. Maybe I'm not blind after all. .

SW4.

[QUOTE=Western787;1510513]Probably the fact that its on 2nd floor in Nana Plaza, maybe a translation issue[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Western787; 1510512]At Soi Cowboy, spent a couple hrs there Saturday night, somewhat light crowd. Theater style seating not bad. Very young but pretty decent lineup. Unlike Rainbow 4 in Nana where the girls seem to just lay back between dance sets and talk to each other, at Shark they were all over the place pushing to sit down and sell lady drinks, some begging with the Wai thing. Didn't see any blokes doing any barfines while I was there.

In regard to Rainbow 4 other than #31 who I think (while rather hot) could be crazy, anyone know why the girls just keep to themselves pretty much?

I am guessing management at Rainbow 4 must instruct the girls to lay back vs Shark where they are told to be aggressive.[/QUOTE]Maybe Shark girls don't get barfined so they need something. I'm starting to think they don't want to be barfined as I'm always quoted 3,000 there. Everywhere else I'm quoted 2500 or less-and many times girls accept less.

If you comparing west agogos girls to BKK one. The BKK ones have 75% stunners!

I am in support of Skogis' reports.

They give an insight into the better endowed, and more interesting than the standard mongers report.

Hope you guys do not succeed in hounding him off the ISG forum.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx; 1510632]I am in support of Skogis' reports.

They give an insight into the better endowed, and more interesting than the standard mongers report.

Hope you guys do not succeed in hounding him off the ISG forum.[/QUOTE]Well that will not happen. I write when I have experienced something I feel is worth sharing. There are in my mongering life a lot going on outside MP, GoGo, streetwalkers etc thanks God as these venues don't suites my needs at all. Since it is a free world people are entitled to choose their own reaction upon other punters writings. I have nothing to complain about whatsoever.

Half a year back somebody rumored that SOL was to get renovated although the owner did not know in what way.

Anybody have an update?

[QUOTE=Western787;1510513]Probably the fact that its on 2nd floor in Nana Plaza, maybe a translation issue[/QUOTE]Most likely lost in translation.

European call ground floor what the American call 1st floor. And so on.

So, at NEP when one does the first round of stairs will be first floor if European and second floor if American.

Globalization hasn't reached yet basic and useful issues.

Probably because they don't provide revenues to any corporate.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1510632]I am in support of Skogis' reports., more interesting than the standard mongers report.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree, along with the Economist we also need Hello mag. How else would we know how the other half lives. Seasons's greetings.

[QUOTE=BionicMan; 1510802]Most likely lost in translation.

European call ground floor what the American call 1st floor. And so on.

So, at NEP when one does the first round of stairs will be first floor if European and second floor if American.

Globalization hasn't reached yet basic and useful issues.

Probably because they don't provide revenues to any corporate.[/QUOTE]Thing about BKK is that there is no hard and fast rule. Ground Floor or 1st Floor depending on the building.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;1510246]Yeh I know what you mean TH. Apart from the ridiculous amount of name dropping, hotels, restaurants, clubs (always a sign of insecurity) there is a tedious familiarity to his posts. The girls are nearly always university students, executives or air hostesses, young and beautiful who find him so irresistible that they cannot wait to get their asses buggered. I have been around for a while and in my experience people with real money never talk about it nor do men who women find irresistible need to tell the world about it, but who knows! And before you start foaming at the mouth, no it is not envy because not being short of a bob or two I've been there done that in most of the Bangkok locations mentioned.[/QUOTE]Live and let live. We all report on here in our own particular way. I particularly enjoy his reports as both his reporting is similar to my own (when I have the time) and he reminds me of myself. Back when I was young handsome and rich. There are and always will be all different types who report in many ways here. If one particular fella irks you, use that ignore button. But no need to rain on everyones parade. Live let live and enjoy life. As Skogis undoubtedly does.

[QUOTE=Ehunter; 1510789]Half a year back somebody rumored that SOL was to get renovated although the owner did not know in what way.

Anybody have an update?[/QUOTE]The refurb is still in progress as of Friday. It looks quite substantial and given it is Thailand I estimate completion in 6 months.

[QUOTE=CheeChee889; 1510576]Maybe shark girls don't get barfined so they need something. I'm starting to think they don't want to be barfined as I'm always quoted 3000 there. Everywhere else I'm quoted 2500 or less-and many times girls accept less.

If you comparing west agogos girls to BKK one. The BKK ones have 75% stunners![/QUOTE]True, even at Beer Garden where most are age 30 to 40 or higher and 4 through 7 level. Last night some (albeit modest) stunners actually did roll in around 8 pm. Pretty face, slender figure, leggy, small waist, clear skin, (breast size irrelevant) to me at least that puts into the 8 category. For example I ask this question, lets say you were in London or NYC, would you do a doubletake? It yes IMHO she's a stunner type.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1510881]Live and let live. We all report on here in our own particular way. I particularly enjoy his reports as both his reporting is similar to my own (when I have the time) and he reminds me of myself. Back when I was young handsome and rich. There are and always will be all different types who report in many ways here. If one particular fella irks you, use that ignore button. But no need to rain on everyones parade. Live let live and enjoy life. As Skogis undoubtedly does.[/QUOTE]Very well said. All too often people get sidetracked on this forum and start discussing synthetic TRT or whether Indian mongers should tuck their shirt in or not. No doubt there are forums to discuss such matters but this is not it. So I find it slightly incredulous that when Skogis goes to the trouble of reporting on his escapades people have the nerve to doubt his honesty.

Even more to the point one "member" went as far as suggesting his reports are not only delusional but also demonstrate his insecurity. I think this is particularly farcical on the grounds I know Skogis and insecurity is not a character trait he either demonstrates nor hides. Secondly this accuser rarely posts field reports. So take a good look in the mirror before you start pointing the finger. Enjoy the fact that there are still people like Skogis on this forum who take the time to post relevant FR's.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=CheeChee889; 1510576]Maybe shark girls don't get barfined so they need something. I'm starting to think they don't want to be barfined as I'm always quoted 3000 there. Everywhere else I'm quoted 2500 or less-and many times girls accept less.

If you comparing west agogos girls to BKK one. The BKK ones have 75% stunners![/QUOTE]Gross exaggeration. Yeh, well if you like fake and plastic / silicone girls, Sharks and Baccara are the places. Not many naturally good looking girls in these places. Not for me. I can find more naturally looking girls in some other bars. To my taste Sharks has about 5% to 10% stunners (well at least pretty) by 9 PM. Maybe some good ones left early.

I did not notice as much as one single fake nose in Long Gun recently (maybe could have missed a really good job). Different bars. A completely different style of girl. A few silicone tits but a minor percentage. Not many fake noses in Crazy House either. Girls in there have a much more raw wayward sexual look in there instead of cutsy dolls in Shark.

When seeing girls walking along the Soi Cowboy, its amazing how many of them can be picked as a Shark or Baccara girl by the look, before they arrive there.

Japanese seem to frequent a lot of different Cowboy bars these days, but almost always wanting white skin of course, and often liking the fake looks but not always.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1510979]Gross exaggeration. Yeh, well if you like fake and plastic / silicone girls, Sharks and Baccara are the places. Not many naturally good looking girls in these places. Not for me. I can find more naturally looking girls in some other bars. To my taste Sharks has about 5% to 10% stunners (well at least pretty) by 9 PM. Maybe some good ones left early.

I did not notice as much as one single fake nose in Long Gun recently (maybe could have missed a really good job). Different bars. A completely different style of girl. A few silicone tits but a minor percentage. Not many fake noses in Crazy House either. Girls in there have a much more raw wayward sexual look in there instead of cutsy dolls in Shark.

When seeing girls walking along the Soi Cowboy, its amazing how many of them can be picked as a Shark or Baccara girl by the look, before they arrive there.

Japanese seem to frequent a lot of different Cowboy bars these days, but almost always wanting white skin of course, and often liking the fake looks but not always.[/QUOTE]If it is a good nose job, you can't even tell. Gone are the days of Thai surgeons giving every gal the "Michael Jackson."

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1510881]Live and let live. We all report on here in our own particular way. I particularly enjoy his reports as both his reporting is similar to my own (when I have the time) and he reminds me of myself. Back when I was young handsome and rich. There are and always will be all different types who report in many ways here. If one particular fella irks you, use that ignore button. But no need to rain on everyones parade. Live let live and enjoy life. As Skogis undoubtedly does.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more with you Freebiefan, live, let live and enjoy life philosophy that's me and no Skogis doesn't irk me why should he. It's a forum; people provide information and express opinions on other's post, that's how it works. No need to exercise the ignore button I find his writing style articulate but the content I happen to believe is part truth and part fantasy but I read it like I also read other fiction. He gets off on what he writes, no harm done. That's my opinion and if you find that unacceptable then as wisely suggested use the ignore button.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1511030]If it is a good nose job, you can't even tell. Gone are the days of Thai surgeons giving every gal the "Michael Jackson."[/QUOTE]It's true, Thai surgeons are really good now. The problem is what the girls ask for. Many of them still actually like that strange exaggerated look to their noses (just check out the TV soap opera actresses). And of course many of them doing boob jobs don't go up just one or two sizes as they ought to, but insist on giant plastic boobs that look totally fake. Stranger still, there must be quite a few punters who like those things too, or otherwise Shark etc. Wouldn't be full of those girls.

But 'raw wayward sexual look', hmm. I like the sound of that. Must check out Crazy.

Hi,

I am new to the local Thai forum and will be in BKK in a few weeks. Tried to search a bit more info on the forum on the BDSM scene with no success.

Anyone can shed some light, clubs, girls services etc or direct me to the right info sources please.

Cheers,

Joe

[QUOTE=Joejoe007; 1511061]Hi,

I am new to the local Thai forum and will be in BKK in a few weeks. Tried to search a bit more info on the forum on the BDSM scene with no success.

Anyone can shed some light, clubs, girls services etc or direct me to the right info sources please.

Cheers,

Joe[/QUOTE]The 2 that I remember (not being a S&M guy) were. BB BarBar on Patpong 2, and Demonia on a sub soi of Soi 33 also both links below.

[url]http://www.demoniabangkok.com/dominas_demonia_bangkok.html[/url]

[url]http://barbarfetishclub.com/bangkok-thailand.html[/url]

Another one I noticed was that looks interesting is Thaidomina, the link below.

[url]http://www.thaidomina.com/home.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Joejoe007; 1511061]Hi,

I am new to the local Thai forum and will be in BKK in a few weeks. Tried to search a bit more info on the forum on the BDSM scene with no success.

Anyone can shed some light, clubs, girls services etc or direct me to the right info sources please.

Cheers,

Joe[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.thailand-undressed.com/bangkok-bdsm-fetish.html[/url]



[url]http://barbarfetishclub.com/[/url]

The Bar Bar Club is a popular BDSM club located on Patpong 2. You might want to first give that club a try and expand from there.

Good luck.

I read the forum to find pussy and post reports if I find it. I ignore posters who only exhibit narcissism. If the guy actually tells us where he found her so he could fuck her x times that is a plus otherwise it is just Penthouse Letter again, and again. Why not create a thread for these longwinded fuck reports? I do like Freebie Fan and his attitude. His reports are not boring because he is actually educating how to get free pussy.

Couldn't agree more with you Freebiefan, live, let live and enjoy life philosophy that's me and no Skogis doesn't irk me why should he. It's a forum; people provide information and express opinions on other's post, that's how it works. No need to exercise the ignore button I find his writing style articulate but the content I happen to believe is part truth and part fantasy but I read it like I also read other fiction. He gets off on what he writes, no harm done. That's my opinion and if you find that unacceptable then as wisely suggested use the ignore button.[/QUOTE]

[quote]Originally Posted by Ehunter [View Original Post]

Half a year back somebody rumored that SOL was to get renovated although the owner did not know in what way.

Anybody have an update?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pointy Stick;1510907]The refurb is still in progress as of Friday. It looks quite substantial and given it is Thailand I estimate completion in 6 months.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you got a look at what they are trying to do.

So what do you think. They are not looking to ruin the exhibitionist flavor of the place are they?

Or do you think it is too early to tell?

Free means lying and scheming the girl. What else do you need to know.

[QUOTE=Beijing4987;1511173]I read the forum to find pussy and post reports if I find it. I ignore posters who only exhibit narcissism. If the guy actually tells us where he found her so he could fuck her x times that is a plus otherwise it is just Penthouse Letter again, and again. Why not create a thread for these longwinded fuck reports? I do like Freebie Fan and his attitude. His reports are not boring because he is actually educating how to get free pussy.[/QUOTE]+1 from me. Some guys like the long winded penthouse type letters like a Kumbu report, which is fine. I just ignore because very little actual information. Perhaps some opinion about how to operate buried in there somewhere but I like more logical stuff than psychedelic, or subtle situation comedy stuff like Nic Frenchy used to write.

We just have to learn to ignore stuff of no use, particularly the very negative posters who just dump shit on everyone.

last time i was in bkk was around 2008. i just did the rounds a couple nights ago for first time since then. nana has always been my main spot, with cowboy as plan b.

in brief, nana right now is not what it was. there are a few spots where bars were (big ones even) that are now vacant. the number of katoey bars seems to be up. i remember one thing i used to do was stand near (or in) big dog at 2am closing time to watch everyone exit, which was a steady flow of crowd for something like 20-30 minutes, lots of girls exiting on their way home. and of course katoeys out in front (they patrol the entrance all evening) and others from those bars exiting too. last night it had to be 80% katoeys exiting at 2am. i guess the way it works is that girls get taken as the night goes on so there's not as many of them still in the bars by 2am, while i guess it doens't work that way in the fewer katoey bars that are in there. whatever, that was definitely not the place to be to make a late-stage pickup. the lineup across the street at the nana hotel car park was terrible last night. again, nothing like when i was there last time when there were dozens available there at 2am.

thermae was lousy, not really worth visiting. it didn't have the japanese-domination that i've seen in the past, but also not really anything i was tempted by in terms of girls.

soi cowboy, i have to say, is better than ever, as far as i could tell. seemed like quite a few bars that were well stocked with talent. as opposed to nana which had just a couple bars that i could find that had good selection and seemed happening (rainbow 4 and mandarin upstairs). at cowboy, my first stop was baccara. girls there seemed just as good as rainbow 4, a few 8s and 9s. i didn't see a 10 all night, i have to say, in any place. otherwise, rawhide was pretty amazing. girls there are overall almost as good as the previous 2, definitely a step up from the average place in terms of looks, but these girls really put their heart into the dancing, and if you have one sit with you and get her a drink, well, it can get mighty cozy. i never experienced that in a non-diddling bar. i'm not sure what the deal is there though because my girl didn't once pose the question of go-to-hotel, yet was all over me and eager, made me take her phone number after i paid to go. i'm wondering if policy there is that they can't be barfined, it seemed odd that she never offered. if it is, well, it seems as if they're plenty content with going with the customer outside working hours, so i guess that can be ok. just a little inconvenient. another question: what type of bar is crocodile dundee? is it just a normal go-go or is it more in the after school category? hard to tell and i was too tired by then to go try it.

so nana was a big disappointment i have to say. rainbow was no where close to as good as it has been in the past (to my eyes). it also wasn't packed with customers as i've seen it before. did not see a single drop-dead gorgeous girl there. lots in the 8 category but nothing that seemed like an obvious one to go for. rawhide was a big revelation, nice to find something new and interesting like that.

ah i had a good expreience at after school once years ago, got dragged in by a girl who was young and hot, a solid 9, who almost immediately started french-kissing to get me in the mood. but peeked in there last night and there was nothing close to enticing, which i guess is to be expected at that type of bar.

another thing i noticed was some girls in go-go outfits moving from one bar to another, and i believe they were exiting midnight and headed toward spice girls. would that be right? it looked like they were staffing both places, being moved from one to the other.

so that was my one night in bangkok. didn't close the deal on anything but more of a reconnaissance night.

Another change I forgot to mention was the area of Sukhumvit where it's all black African girls. Weird. They aren't my cup of tea, I have to say, but how strange to see that. When I used to go to BKK more often, you would just see them down on soi 3, and not as many. And now there's katoeys pretty much everywhere in abundance. But way too many down at Nana, both on Sukhumvit there and in the soi, and more and more the later it got. A bit much really. Honestly it looks like what is happening is that Nana is on its way to turning into the katoey bar area, and Cowboy will be the straight one. It's getting so dominated by katoeys down there that it will be driving a lot of straight customers away, it's just too much now. They're everywhere, and everywhere you go at Soi Nana at 1am-2am.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1511363]Another change I forgot to mention was the area of Sukhumvit where it's all black African girls. Weird. They aren't my cup of tea, I have to say, but how strange to see that. When I used to go to BKK more often, you would just see them down on soi 3, and not as many. And now there's katoeys pretty much everywhere in abundance. But way too many down at Nana, both on Sukhumvit there and in the soi, and more and more the later it got. A bit much really. Honestly it looks like what is happening is that Nana is on its way to turning into the katoey bar area, and Cowboy will be the straight one. It's getting so dominated by katoeys down there that it will be driving a lot of straight customers away, it's just too much now. They're everywhere, and everywhere you go at Soi Nana at 1am-2am.[/QUOTE]I suppose whatever is out there reflects upon the laws of supply and demand.

Typicaly lower Sukhumvit in the daytime had no black African P4P workers the other day, & several TGs. Including a cute busty DD in a school girl type of outfit.

Soi 4 had what seemed to be a blond LB on the wrong side of the street in the early evening. Maybe she was confused as to location & or time & where "she" should be.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1511360]Another question: what type of bar is Crocodile Dundee?[/QUOTE]Australians only. No Japanese allowed.

Just a guess.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1511363]. And now there's katoeys pretty much everywhere in abundance. But way too many down at Nana, both on Sukhumvit there and in the soi, and more and more the later it got. A bit much really. Honestly it looks like what is happening is that Nana is on its way to turning into the katoey bar area, and Cowboy will be the straight one. It's getting so dominated by katoeys down there that it will be driving a lot of straight customers away, it's just too much now. They're everywhere, and everywhere you go at Soi Nana at 1am-2am.[/QUOTE]Perhaps a sign of the times. Nana is the new gay destination?

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1511417]Perhaps a sign of the times. Nana is the new gay destination?[/QUOTE]What are they, LB's?

Note that Stickman's joke April 1st was that Nana Plaza was officially going 100% ladyboy. IMHO seems like most of them just like parading around and being seen as "women" and the business part is just a minor issue. Note the voice drop real low when they are talking to each, I mean you have to laugh at how over the top they are.

As for Rainbow 4 last night? #15 was in, the cute blonde, and some others but some missing. I know blokes in London who would give anything to even have the slightly less cute girls in R4 to hang with each night

I need an R4 expert to tell me exactly how R4 girls typically make money, because the amount of hang time (doing nothing between sets sitting with each other) is huge. No pushing of drinks or intermingling except a few girls. I am sure most would readily accept a lady drink for a chat, but the business model here doesn't make much sense to me


Do these girls get a per diem base rate like the G club girls? But even G club girls got to push drinks.

Its almost like these R4 girls are shy or at least 90% of them are

There is a beautiful waitress that works there, tall. Slender, and elegant. Unfortunately her personality? Difficult to say the least, and noticeably out character for Thai women

[QUOTE=Wendella;1511360]what type of bar is Crocodile Dundee?[/QUOTE]Seems to be a straight bar. Otherwise they'd have called it "Cockodile Dandy"

[QUOTE=TConor;1511541]What are they, LB's?[/QUOTE]Yes that's correct.

The Katoey ratio has steadily risen in that area over the years, and where it used to be a great spot for a 2am pickup, it's now mobs of katoeys that you're navigating through. Just not a pleasant experience.

Anyway, a key question, do girls at Rawhide get barfined as in other bars, or is it a different situation where they go after closing or during day?

[QUOTE=Pita123;1511579]Seems to be a straight bar. Otherwise they'd have called it "Cockodile Dandy"[/QUOTE]Yeah it's obviously not a gay bar, I meant whether its a BJ or diddling bar or a typical go go setup.

Thanks so much for the info.

Any chance you know about fetish closing shops? (for both male and female)

Thanks

[QUOTE=Yujin; 1511171][url]Http://www.thailand-undressed.com/bangkok-bdsm-fetish.html[/url]

[url]http://barbarfetishclub.com/[/url]

The Bar Bar Club is a popular BDSM club located on Patpong 2. You might want to first give that club a try and expand from there.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wendella;1511583]Yeah it's obviously not a gay bar, I meant whether its a BJ or diddling bar or a typical go go setup.[/QUOTE]Was there tonight. Seems like a small go-go with coyotes. Surprised the hell out of me when I tried to BF the gal I was buying THB 200 drinks for and found that she just dances.

That seems to be a strong trend, the coyote dancers thing. Good to know, guess I can skip that place then. Crocodile Dundee I mean.

Which bats are "The Atab" bats? Because I have heard those run the coyote dancer scheme too.

[QUOTE=Wendella;1511856]Which bats are "The Atab" bats? Because I have heard those run the coyote dancer scheme too.[/QUOTE]I meant Which bars are "The Arab" bars?

[QUOTE=Western787; 1511577]Note that Stickman's joke April 1st was that Nana Plaza was officially going 100% ladyboy. IMHO seems like most of them just like parading around and being seen as "women" and the business part is just a minor issue. Note the voice drop real low when they are talking to each, I mean you have to laugh at how over the top they are.

As for Rainbow 4 last night? #15 was in, the cute blonde, and some others but some missing. I know blokes in London who would give anything to even have the slightly less cute girls in R4 to hang with each night

I need an R4 expert to tell me exactly how R4 girls typically make money, because the amount of hang time (doing nothing between sets sitting with each other) is huge. No pushing of drinks or intermingling except a few girls. I am sure most would readily accept a lady drink for a chat, but the business model here doesn't make much sense to me

Do these girls get a per diem base rate like the G club girls? But even G club girls got to push drinks.

Its almost like these R4 girls are shy or at least 90% of them are[/QUOTE]Yes, the girls get a base rate of 600 baht per night and 50 baht per lady drink.

Based on what I saw last night between 8 pm and 10 pm, nowhere near Baccara or Rainbow 4 in quality. I actually there before 8 pm but no happy hour prices The gimmick is half the girls dance totally nude and they grab their crotch as they dance. The first hour was mostly 5's and 6's and a few 7s then later some high 7's came in and perhaps a borderline 8. At least twice before 9 pm saw Farangs step into the club and take a peak, then walk out. In fairness full nude dancing doesn't exactly make most women look hotter. There were 6's who nude perhaps looked like 5's.

The barfine is said to be 600 plus 800 for "showgirls".who I guess by 9 pm were the 4 or 5 girls that were kind of hot and eventually started dancing, but none of the hotter girls and cuter girls seem to going full nude.

The seating is a little bit like Shark Bar (which has nice theater setup) has but not as good, just not alot of room in the tiered seats.

There were about average of 5 to 6 customers in the club in those 2 hours, with one guy doing barfine, and 2 Japanese guys hanging out.

There are some cute girls in here, but for example Rainbow 4 is loaded with cute high 7 types, they are everywhere at R4

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1511881]Yes, the girls get a base rate of 600 baht per night and 50 baht per lady drink.[/QUOTE]600 base could explain why they get all these cute girls. Is that common in go-gos? I know the G clubs do that, and as I recall its even a bit higher, but G club girls can push drinks w / o any implications of they being anything beyond (dance-only) coyotes.

[quote]Originally Posted by Yujin [View Original Post]

[url]Http://www.thailand-undressed.com/ba.sm-fetish.html[/url]

[url]http://barbarfetishclub.com/[/url]

The Bar Bar Club is a popular BDSM club located on Patpong 2. You might want to first give that club a try and expand from there.

Good luck.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Joejoe007; 1511700]Thanks so much for the info.

Any chance you know about fetish closing shops? (for both male and female)

Thanks[/QUOTE]The Bar Bar website says there is a special event at the end of Dec so I am not sure why you feel they may have closed shop.

[QUOTE=TesterTester;1511881]Yes, the girls get a base rate of 600 baht per night and 50 baht per lady drink.[/QUOTE]But at the same time the girls are fined for many things from not meeting drink or bar fine quotas to being late or taking more than 3 days off a month. I know a bunch of girls who end up at the end of the month with very little salary coming their way.

In Soi Cowboy most of the Arab bars are easy to spot. Lots of neon and lots of Coyote girls (again easy to spot because they are all dressed the same and are actually good looking for the most part) out front acting as touts to get you into the bar to waste your money. Avoid. Nana now has 2 Coyote bars that I know of. What used to be Las Vegas on the 3rd floor and now Fantasia has gone to 50% Coyotes though I was told by a waitress there that they are barfinable for 1, 100 baht but they were not much better looking than the regular dancers.

And Stickman's Nana LB joke is becoming all too real. Other than the 4 all LB bars a few others have some in the line-up which I think is really unfair unless they I'd themselves as such. Lollipop, Erotica and that little one on the left on the second floor and I suspect I have seen some in Spankys but not positive.

I see many policemen in Sukhumvit these days, and opposite Hollys Coffee I always see some farangs sitting obviosly arguing with policemen. Above is a sign "no littering". I haven't seen them so active before, maybe in need of money.

How much is the fine?

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1511991]I see many policemen in Sukhumvit these days, and opposite Hollys Coffee I always see some farangs sitting obviosly arguing with policemen. Above is a sign "no littering". I haven't seen them so active before, maybe in need of money :-D.

How much is the fine?[/QUOTE]I think it is between 200 and 500 bahts. They might be buddhist but enjoy Christmas gifts.

The best is probably not to walk around smoking, eating and drinking, signs of possible littering (whether real or fictious).

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1511991]I see many policemen in Sukhumvit these days, and opposite Hollys Coffee I always see some farangs sitting obviosly arguing with policemen. Above is a sign "no littering". I haven't seen them so active before, maybe in need of money :-D.

How much is the fine?[/QUOTE]More than a decade ago, I was nabbed for littering in JJ market. Back then it was 1500 baht.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1511991]I see many policemen in Sukhumvit these days, and opposite Hollys Coffee I always see some farangs sitting obviosly arguing with policemen. Above is a sign "no littering". I haven't seen them so active before, maybe in need of money :-D.

How much is the fine?[/QUOTE]They are notpolice.

They work for the BMA and have zero authority to detain or fine people.

They have people stationed up and down Sukhumvit who act as spotters and watch for anyone smoking a cigarette, they then radio the nearest person who then follows them waiting for them to drop the cigarette on the floor. Then they try to get 2000 baht fine from them. And everyone pays because they think they are police. As tourists cannot read Thai and cannot see they are BMA people and not police. They pay up.

It is a total scam. But then this is Bangkok. Run by the Democrats and the BMA is Democrat Party run.

As a word of warning. Many foreigners are now reporting being verbally abused and pushed by anti-government (anti-democracy) protestors. These people are ultra-Nationalists and hate farang generally and are really upset the worlds media is reporting them for what they are. So if you are in Bangkok steer well clear of them and if you see a group of people with whistles or who look like protesters. Keep away from them for your own safety.

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1511984]But at the same time the girls are fined for many things from not meeting drink or bar fine quotas to being late or taking more than 3 days off a month. I know a bunch of girls who end up at the end of the month with very little salary coming their way.

In Soi Cowboy most of the Arab bars are easy to spot. Lots of neon and lots of Coyote girls (again easy to spot because they are all dressed the same and are actually good looking for the most part) out front acting as touts to get you into the bar to waste your money. Avoid. Nana now has 2 Coyote bars that I know of. What used to be Las Vegas on the 3rd floor and now Fantasia has gone to 50% Coyotes though I was told by a waitress there that they are barfinable for 1, 100 baht but they were not much better looking than the regular dancers.

And Stickman's Nana LB joke is becoming all too real. Other than the 4 all LB bars a few others have some in the line-up which I think is really unfair unless they I'd themselves as such. Lollipop, Erotica and that little one on the left on the second floor and I suspect I have seen some in Spankys but not positive.[/QUOTE]That's correct: they do only get 3 days off a month technically and they must have a certain number of bar fines a month and meet their quota for drinks, or their salary gets deducted. I don't know how much the quota is. I once did know, but I forgot. Don't really care to know I guess.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1511884]Based on what I saw last night between 8 pm and 10 pm, nowhere near Baccara or Rainbow 4 in quality. I actually there before 8 pm but no happy hour prices The gimmick is half the girls dance totally nude and they grab their crotch as they dance. The first hour was mostly 5's and 6's and a few 7s then later some high 7's came in and perhaps a borderline 8. At least twice before 9 pm saw Farangs step into the club and take a peak, then walk out. In fairness full nude dancing doesn't exactly make most women look hotter. There were 6's who nude perhaps looked like 5's.
The barfine is said to be 600 plus 800 for "showgirls". Who I guess by 9 pm were the 4 or 5 girls that were kind of hot and eventually started dancing, but none of the hotter girls and cuter girls seem to going full nude. The seating is a little bit like Shark Bar (which has nice theater setup) has but not as good, just not alot of room in the tiered seats. There were about average of 5 to 6 customers in the club in those 2 hours, with one guy doing barfine, and 2 Japanese guys hanging out. There are some cute girls in here, but for example Rainbow 4 is loaded with cute high 7 types, they are everywhere at R4[/QUOTE]True in terms of looks overall the Rb4 and Baccara lineups are better, tho I would say I didn't see any in those 2 bars that seriously tempted me as a must try. Almost but not quite. And at rawhide there were a few who were almost but not quite, actually 3 that I remember. When I was there there was no nude dancing, this from around 12 to 1:15 or so. The clear difference at Rawhode was the girls' attitude. My girl was al over me, danced and gyrated a few times for me. I saw others doing that for their customers, and the guy next to me was in a French kissing session with his girl, while another 2 guys were getting lap dances. I didn't see anything close to this at RB4 or Baccara. Visitor numbers seem down now, noticeable even at RB4, so maybe the ideal time to get special attention like this from the girl of your choice. Oh and, last thing, those girls at Rawhide seriously dance. Number 69 for example was amazing. Great curvy body and excellent ass. Not my preferred type bu she was seriouy tempting me to convert. Every once in a while they do a song with a middle eastern type beat, and the girls dance in a kind of belly dancing style (almost). It's pretty hot.

[QUOTE=Tommyh80; 1511991]I see many policemen in Sukhumvit these days, and opposite Hollys Coffee I always see some farangs sitting obviosly arguing with policemen. Above is a sign "no littering". I haven't seen them so active before, maybe in need of money :-D.

How much is the fine?[/QUOTE]I give you my experience and view.

A city should be proud on their visitors and want them to be returning and positive over their experience in the city. Bangkok is an example where it looks like they act opposite.

In my view the City officials do not look to this aspect and it seems that (Police) departments are operating very Independently in their policy when and where to control (and that is also they reason why you do not see this in every part of Bangkok).

At least for sure they target only tourist people; I look to this already for years and never saw that a Thai person got a fine.

So it seems to me that the local Police has created 'fine point'. Around 500 meters from a (mobile) fine point there is even no dustbin. And when the fine point is in operation (at least that was / is the case between Soi 2 and 4 and around Soi 22 and Soi 24 by the Emporium, they put plastic bins outside to show you where you can drop your stuff.

If you drop a cigarette or a napkin they come to you and guide you to the fine point. The officer their (who mostly also do not speak any English makes a report, you have to show your I'd and they ask for THB 2. 000 payment. Only if you ask for it they give you a copy of the in Thai written document which you had to under sign.

Mid 2000 they picked me several times, mostly for dropping a cigarette or napkin in a flower basked (by the absent of a dustbin). The first time, I guess around 2005 I paid the fine and continuing, I was wrong so count your blessings. Shortly after they picked me again but I started to argue about where I should have leave my short cigarette piece because by a lack to dustbins. Only one guy spoke a little English and probably I was too complex for him and they send me away without paying anything.

Some years later they picked me again and they wanted 2000. I showed them a THB 500 biljet and said it was all I have but offered them my credit card. The guy was so smart to take the THB 500 note.

I saw also the activities between Robinson Soi 19 and Soi 3 so on a certain day I took pictures. One officer stand up and asked me why I took picture. I answered him: it's for your next Marketing campaign. LOL.

Anyhow it seems additional income for the police but a city who support this on the end would get customers who act as customers: they chooses with their feeds and would stay away. I believe it's a form of what the protesters these days publicly say: we want change. So it will take some years before the dustbins are back in the street and police will try to help you instead of rip you.