Moscow

The thing about the market in Moscow, or most anywhere else in eastern Europe, is that it is not homogeneous. There are significant barriers to entry: mainly culture and language. As Jake has pointed out, the guys who are only there once in a while, for a few days, speak no Russian and don't understand Russian culture operate at a significant disadvantage. They can only catch as catch can and if the girl in their lap happens to ask for 1,000 USD, they really aren't in any position to negotiate. That's understandable.

What bothers me is when guys like this start thinking that they are suddenly some kind of expert on Russian women because they picked up a lap dancer in Egoiste and start making banal pronouncements about Russian men and women and comparing Russian society to Western society.

That's all I wanted to say.

[QUOTE=Toto001] Decided to go to Egoiste (formerly apparently known as Hungry Duck). This is a table dance club. Central round stage of 2/3 m surrounded by some sofas. The entrance is 1000 Rubels. The girls will come to your table and will give you a brief lapdance, which would then make 500 rubels each time. Once they have the money they stop dancing and go to the next one. Can get quite expensive, if you do not find a way to send the girls away. Egoiste has real stunnres.[/QUOTE]
I thought Egoist was a male strip club?
Are there two Egoist/Egoiste/Egoistka clubs?

I also don't care what someone else pays or doesn't pay, and while I am highly unlikely to go to Egoiste if I do I am also highly unlikely to pay $1000 USD for anyone there. I do thank Toto for the report, it just adds to the databank of information that may be useful at some stage.

However, I also would like to know where this information came from:

[QUOTE=Toto001]
In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap. Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs. So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time. As somebody who will be traveling to Moscow only 1 time per year for 1-2 nights the most, it does not make sense to negotiate too much. It is much more important to find the right looking girl giving a correct service. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.[/QUOTE]

It is certainly at odds with my experience.

Cheers

[quote=gentleman travel]i thought egoist was a male strip club?
are there two egoist/egoiste/egoistka clubs?[/quote]i think there have been several egoist clubs over the years, it's a common name.

egoistka (fem) is the male strip club for women.

there is also an egoist gold, on spiridonovka near the intersection of sadovaya kudrinskaya. i stopped by there once, but i didn't have enough money to even take a peek through the window.

my favorite is puzir. but it's a bit of a trek, near universityet.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]My favorite is Puzir. But it's a bit of a trek, near Universityet.[/QUOTE]
Strav,
Any more details on exactly where it is? I have a business colleague whose office is very close to that Metro stop and Puzir could be very convenient. Also, could you tell us a little more about the place?
Thanks,
Jake

Jake,

Puzir is on the southeast(?) corner of Lomonosovskii and Vernardskovo, right at the Universityet Metro station.

There's a rynok there, on the corner, and its in the back, but you should see the sign standing up above the rest of the market.

It was closed for a long time. I think there was a fire, and the whole place was covered with a big tarp for over a year. But... I notice on [url]http://strip.sextalk.ru[/url] that they have a new listing with a new phone number and a picture that shows a new facade, so it looks like it's open again. If you are going to be in the neighborhood anyway, check it out.

I remember one of the nice things about the old Puzir is that there were a LOT of studyentki hanging out there from MGU. Also, the erotic-massage.ru salon is just a couple blocks away on Leninskii Prospekt. Just in case you can't get satisfaction from the strippers or the studyentki.

Here's a report I posted about it. It's old, but if the new Puzir is anything like the old Puzir, you should have a blast there. I know I did. :)


[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=375215&postcount=607[/url]

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Jake,

Puzir is on the southeast(?) corner of Lomonosovskii and Vernardskovo, right at the Universityet Metro station.

There's a rynok there, on the corner, and its in the back, but you should see the sign standing up above the rest of the market.

It was closed for a long time. I think there was a fire, and the whole place was covered with a big tarp for over a year. But... I notice on [url]http://strip.sextalk.ru[/url] that they have a new listing with a new phone number and a picture that shows a new facade, so it looks like it's open again. If you are going to be in the neighborhood anyway, check it out.
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I'm pretty sure it's closed for good (since 2007), also 5 kapel on that list is closed as well (it's now a restaurant).

But try calling the number and see what they say. In general the only cheap strip club left in Moscow as of last year was Rufina, out at Shyolkovskaya. It was 200 rubles cover and beers were 60 rubles, as of a year ago, but I've heard they've raised prices recently.

It's true, sextalk isn't very good about keeping its strip club list up to date.

A couple of "lower" price clubs that I know are operating are Strekoza and Zatmyeniya. I remember I was very impressed with the quality of the talent at Strekoza, as good as anything you'd find in the center of town, for a fraction of the cost.

Hi guys,

Can someone explain what 'Mamba' is? I have seen some references in the posts but didn't get the jist--is it a website, or a place?

Also, if anyone has a moment, can you do a 2 minute, bullet point summary of the best places to pick up-pay-for-play in Moscow these days?

Thanks,

RoP

Mamba is a website.

[url]http://www.mamba.ru/[/url]

I don't know this for sure, but it's been reported that you can find women there who will actually have sex with you for money! :eek:

The mamba database also powers other "dating" sites like Rambler.

And yes, you can find girls on there who will интим за деньги and also Хочу найти спонсора (looking for sponsor). Unlike Western dating/sex sites the girls on Mamba generally mean what they write.

The girls also respond to your messages (in the main) and/or contact you !

If you are going to spend any meaningful time in Russia, get on-line, make a profile and you won't look back.

Cheers

Well, what say here you would like to hear was actually everything I was saying in my report. I did not write the report as an expert. Also I did not write the report for people who consider themselves as experts to the scene in moscow. I wrote it from one occasional visitor on a business trip to the next one. So people who will read and will follow my path will know what to expect. By the way, I doubt that any of you guys will be able to negotiate down the prices at this night club. They are fixed. You do not even negotiate with the girl. You will have to deal with the waitor. So it is a go. No go decision. And here comes into account the time. Knowing that it is one of the last occasions that you have on this trip you may decide to go for the fixed price in that club. I doubt it will have any influence on the prices outside the clubs. Especially since this club seems to be one of the premium clubs in Moscow. At Nightflight the girls quoted prices of 400 USD. If I would have met a girl there that I liked I would certainly not pay her 1000. But if she quotes 500 and I can settle her down to like 400, which seems fair, then I would not try to negotiate much further down given that the girl is a cutie. I would in this case be afraid that it would have a detrimetal impact on the service.

To all you experts. Please consider that there may be also occasional mongerers reading the reports here and they would like to know what they have to expect in the one or other club. From my report these guys learned that you have to put in some money if you go there, but that the girls are well looking. If you plan to take a girl home and you are not willing to spend 1. 000 USD on it, you might want to choose some other club. I think this is pretty informative

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]I have no problem with guys telling us how they dropped thousands of Dollars/Euros on a CBJ from a "9" or "10". It's their money and it's their business. More power to them.

I do have a problem with someone who has only been in Moscow once or twice (by his own admission), pretending to be some kind of expert on mongering in Russia. Why? Why not just be honest? "Hey guys, I have no idea what I'm doing, but let me tell you what happened. I went to this club and picked up one of the most gorgeous babes I've ever met and she took me to the moon and back. "

Now that's a story I'd like to hear!

It's also important for other guys reading this forum to understand that this is NOT normal pricing, or behavior, in Moscow.[/QUOTE]

Toto,

You're right, every post enriches our store of knowledge and I'm sure there is a diverse enough membership here in the Moscow forum to benefit from advice and experience at all levels. I just couldn't figure out how you became an expert on Russian mongering, society and culture in 3 days. That's all.

[QUOTE=Toto001]However, the girls in Moscow do know their going rate quite well and I am only talking about the really hot girls which are a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]it does not make sense to negotiate too much. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.[/QUOTE]

Against better judgement and counsel, I went to Hot Dog's (aka Boar house, aka Chesterfield's) last night. It was shit. Checked my coat, moved to the middle part of the bar and got a beer. Chatted with the bartender and the girls moved in. Maybe I am just jaded but there did not seem to be the LEAST bit of seduction involved. I felt like I was at an Oriental Bazaar and without so much as little small talk (pick a language) I was propositioned for no less than 400 Euros for the night. Believing that it was bargain banter, I tried to play the game and do some negotiating but things seemed to be getting confrontational. It seemed a but strange until I spied "Olga the c*nt".

Yes guys - she appears to be the new Queen Bee at Hot Dog's. I have a bad personal history with her so I thought it might be just me. But after observing for a while, several of the less experienced girls were coming to her for advice on how to handle those of us who do not accept their prices on first offer.

I don't mean to be an asshole about this but from what I could observe, this bit*ch is acting as coach to about 12 girls who were on her "team". For those who don't know Olga the c*nt, she is a very pleasant looking lady who, on first glance, appears to be about 25 years old but after a closer look, it's clear that she's closer to about 35. She has long medium brown hair with a very pleasant smile and sort of a "girl-next-door" face. Her skin is fairly pale and she seems to favor dresses that reveal her shoulders. She's actually quite nice to look at but she should be avoided. She the kind of girl who promises a wild night of sexual delights until the sun comes up but after the first pop she runs off to the bathroom and comes out fully clothed with cell phone in hand with some bullshit excuse about having to go home early. Many of you know what I am talking about. We don't need her giving the rest of the girls a seminar on how to extract more money for less effort.

Anyhow - I'm ranting now but let me join the long list of ISG members who say that this is the LAST time I am going to Hot Dog's. It used to be a cool place to go for a beer or to watch Sunday Night Football, but the girls have gotten so aggressive and so greedy that it's not much fun at all. There used to be a fair share of semi-pros who made the place fun but it seems to have been taken over by some hard core Ho's who have a bad attitude. It's just not fun anymore. If you want to check it out and have a beer on the odd chance that some provincalka looking to earn some extra cash has stumbled in and is willing to play the game - fine. But don't get your hopes up.

Jake out

"Hardcore ho's with bad attitude".

That is exactly as I saw it.