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[QUOTE=Sarteneja]Yongsan looks to be shut down at least temporarily. I went through there a few time in the last week and not a single light on in a single window. Does anyone know whats up?[/QUOTE]
I walked by the RLD in Yongsan last Sunday and it was completely dead as well, but I assumed it was just because it was a Sunday afternoon. It was too bad since I had 70K won burning a hole in my pocket, but it was not meant to be I guess.

I went to Belle today at around 12:30 or so in the afternoon since I still had that won I wanted to spend. Nara was the only one working there. She actually was better today in terms of performance , I think because it was so early in the day. Her massage was quite disappointing, she doesn't put much effort into it, but she gave me a nice BBBJTC. Then she excused herself to rise out her mouth. All in all, ok for 60,000 won, and with these crackdowns, who knows, that might be my last BBBJ at Belle!

There was also a girl that works at Belle only on the weekends named Christina (Bo-Hyun) her performance wasn't that great but her English skills are really nice, so communication is no problem.

1. The riot police are supposed to be committed to the massage shops, barbershops etc. After the moon festival---the whole area including Janandong---so. Just be careful.

2. Newpaper massage ads also. Might not be safer than now.

The National Intelligence Service has a wiretap under consideration. Once they start to work on a wiretap, the police will listen in on your conversation. When and what time a girl visits you.

3. That's why some Internet Ads raised their rates. Even the rates were still high. I think there business must be going well. They don't let you know their telephone number.---except the stupid Kiki who somebody's talking about---

I tried to email them. It's a little hard to get their reply and their procedure is complicated.

Newspaper article this morning stated the KNP will use Riot Police (there are at least 40,000 of them in Seoul) after the Chuseok Holiday (13-15 Sep) to crackdown and close down for good the Yongsan RLD and the "Hill" in Itaewon. They have warned GI's to avoid those areas not to get caught up in the sweep next week. In fact I saw yesterday and the night before the riot police were up and down the "hill" and surrounding area in groups of 12 or more doing their recon.

[QUOTE=Chaukie 74]The point is that massage licenses are subject to be given only to blind people if the bill is passed, but I think-like you think-they (owners) will hire blind people just to show and keep running same business (HJ, FS etc) and of course those services will be offered by the other girls- not blind-.

I realize somebody posted about Koreana hotel and other hotel service and rates. Koreana hotel was also on TV. It's not a good sign.

By the way Koreans have been talking a lot on the net about Jangandong's issues and they keep posting their comments like this "Go bust Kangnam massage, Mapo...Go bust Newpaper massage..they send girls for foreigners"[/QUOTE]Visited my old favourite - Koreana Hotel - but indeed something has happened. While standard is normally to be completely naked (unfortunately not her but yourself), was this time asked to keep my shorts on...the girls spoke limited english but enough to explain that they had been visited by Police recently!

However....at the end of the massage it was business as usual and a HJ was offered - but certainly the feeling is not same when the 1 hour session takes place wearing shorts.

[QUOTE=Taloha]Newspaper article this morning stated the KNP will use Riot Police (there are at least 40,000 of them in Seoul) after the Chuseok Holiday (13-15 Sep) to crackdown and close down for good the Yongsan RLD and the "Hill" in Itaewon. They have warned GI's to avoid those areas not to get caught up in the sweep next week. In fact I saw yesterday and the night before the riot police were up and down the "hill" and surrounding area in groups of 12 or more doing their recon.[/QUOTE]

Will be interesting. Regarding Yongsan- I haven't used for more then 18 months. More a turn down then a great place. The one or other exception excluded.

Regarding the 'hill' I am near and passing the area frequently, however due to the other none red light business which is already more then the shrinked redlight portion.
It wasn't attractive anyhow what was left and the left providers didn't have a glue how to gain and maintain customers. Rip offs all around. So no disadvantage if they close.
There are so many freebees (depend on definition, and the sucess depend on your assets and skills) in Itaewon who are looking for adventures that there will be no female shortage. And it is legal to score a 'freebee'.

Regarding anma's I feel sad,a s I liked the process.

regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Chaukie 74]1. The riot police are supposed to be committed to the massage shops, barbershops etc. After the moon festival---the whole area including Janandong---so. Just be careful.

2. Newpaper massage ads also. Might not be safer than now.

The National Intelligence Service has a wiretap under consideration. Once they start to work on a wiretap, the police will listen in on your conversation. When and what time a girl visits you.

3. That's why some Internet Ads raised their rates. Even the rates were still high. I think there business must be going well. They don't let you know their telephone number.---except the stupid Kiki who somebody's talking about---

I tried to email them. It's a little hard to get their reply and their procedure is complicated.[/QUOTE]

Lets assume they clean up everything, which is operating in a dedicated building.
So what will happen?

What will all the girls do who finance their clothing and tutor fees etc.?
They (lets say by far most) are not really abused for what they are doing. They will be in need of money!
And the customers will be in need for the deed!
Prostitution will not be able to be wiped out, some sort will always exist.

I wonder if new forms emerge: How about private parties?
People (males and females) share party fee for goods. Male just bring the fee while the a perty organizer and females bring drinks, food etc. The females get compensation for the stuff they brought (some huge of course) from the party leader who is happy to get some help. Men and women enjoy the party and while enjoying also like to have sex. Just as it happens everywhere in the freebee area. The women don’t get any compensation for sex of course (as they enjoy it and all do it for fun!), they share a party fee and just get a compensation for the help to bring goods.
You ISG mongers figure what I want to create: A process the authorities can’t legally attack.
Tuning such a process for legal operation and still get the girls fair compensation should be possible.
So I ask: Would such a thing run in Korea and how would the concept need to be?

Without such new opportunities to be developed:

I expect more professionals in the hunting grounds of free areas, like dance clubs, disco's, Narä bängs, normal bars etc. People will find out where to meet and hunt and favorite places will emerge and will be spread.
Probably it will be more difficult to distinguish the real freebee and 'half freebee' from the more professional hunting crowd.

For the girls it will be probably more risky, having the need to go to the customer chose place rather then operating from a stationary area.

It will be worse for foreigners, but probably only short time visitors who don't know the hunting grounds and rules properly. Long time visitors find ways and process with freebees after some time. So a lot of work to be done here in ISG.
How do you think fellow mongers?

Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]Lets assume they clean up everything, which is operating in a dedicated building.
So what will happen?

What will all the girls do who finance their clothing and tutor fees etc.?

They (lets say by far most) are not really abused for what they are doing.

They will be in need of money!

And the customers will be in need for the deed!

Prostitution will not be able to be wiped out, some sort will always exist.

I didn't say prostitution will be able to be wiped out. I just don't like to meet you in my office for that problem.

After a night drinking with friends, decided to go down to cool/belle for the first time. Unofortunately I arrived at around 5am and belle's doors were locked- may have been to late or may have been due to crackdown. Didn't try and get in to cool but the sign lights were off so assumed it would also be close.

So, I tried 1% massage, an anma place on the same street, but they quoted me 250,000 cash- and told me this was the foreigner price. Didn't really want to spend that much so passed.

Anyway, if you want to pay the premium then they will accept foreigners.

Not sure if cool/belle are shut due to crack down or because its chuseok, but either ways, I recommend caution for the time being.

Cheers and happy hunting

Its because of Chusok I bet.

Even Anmas need holidays!

Hey All,

Just wanted to know if anyone has heard if they raided the hill in itaewon yet or any other new spots... I know one of the girls working the hill it would be sad if they all just disappeared one day.

I personally say they should work on kicking out the illegal immigrant prostitutes before the ones that are citizens or atleast have some sort of visa!

I checked it out on the article of Seoul newpaper this morning.

They don't have English version yet, probably it comes out later of today or tomorrow on another newpapers.

The title is Kangnam Expedition, Sex War started.

It's an just article, nobody said or beleives that Korea will or can absolutely destroy prostitution. Don't get me wrong like Byung666 did.

Actually the Korean media are not supposed to tell the exact suspects' names or the names of shops which are involved for a while until they are turned out to be guilty. That's why we can just see the abbriviations of the massage shops of the articles.

It says fly cops for an entrapment went to M massage in Samsung-dong, G Hugaetel in Nonhyun-dong, and B Hugaetel in Nonhyun-dong and busted customers and girls.

Also says they have already had design drawings which were offered by 119, fire stations to find out labyrinths or secret exits.

SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- Police in South Korea have arrested 26 blind masseurs who were threatening to jump from a bridge to protest a government decision they say will rob them of their livelihood.

Some of the men set fire to a car and two jumped off the bridge into Seoul's Han river, the country's national news agency Yonhap said on Thursday. No injuries were reported. The South Korean health ministry recently decided to grant licenses to sighted masseurs and masseuses to practice certain kinds of massages. Since 1963, the law allowed only blind people to practice the profession, Yonhap said. The protesters said the new policy puts their jobs at risk. There are about 15,000 licensed masseurs in the country, which has a blind population of 216,000. "Medical massage is almost the only profession that is open to the blind people. The ministry's decision is threatening our right to live," Shim Wook-seop, one of the protesting masseurs, was quoted as saying.

Another blind masseur, Dong Seong-geun, staged a lone protest in front of the Constitutional Court recently. "I have a wife and two children to support," he told the New York Times. "If I lose this job, I will have to beg on the streets. How can taking away one job from people who only have one compare with taking one job away from sighted people who have a hundred jobs to choose from?" The country's Constitutional Court is expected to rule soon on an appeal filed by several sighted people who argued that the profession cannot be the exclusive domain of the blind. The Massager Association of Korea, representing 120,000 unlicensed masseurs who are working openly and in defiance of the law, is leading the legal challenge. The association keeps a file of members accused of practicing without a license. Those people are usually fined between $450 to $4,500, although the law calls for up to three years in prison.

"It breaks my heart when I think that what I am doing every day, what I consider my calling, is a crime," Park Yoon-soo, president of the association, told the NYT. "We are not trying to steal jobs from the blind. We just want to share the market. We want to live as normal citizens, not as criminals."

It says the police are going to bust 41 Anma shops including barbershops, 95 massage shops, 96 bars including room salongs and officetel prostitution in Kangnam-gu.

It has started on the "hill". Police went to the establishments in uniform and also with undercover police 5 times during the day after Chuseok. Will see what happens this weekend. Apparently the reason for the "hill" crackdown is due to the streets surrounding the mosque becoming "Little Nigeria". At all hours of the evening and night the Nigerians accost girls and women walking in the area even though they are not "working girls". Secondly, many of them are doing credit card scams (e.g, stolen) in the establishments causing more headaches for the police. One I know on the "hill" was away visiting home in the countryside and the girls working her bar allowed a Nigerian to use a credit card to get cash from the bar. It turned out stolen and her bar is out many $$. A few Nigerian restaurants opened near the mosque and turing a corner going to the "hill" was packed with roaming Nigerians near those restaurants. Police figure it would be easier to make the establishments more like the rest of Itaewon so they don't have to work on assault complaints and scams of the Nigerians.


[QUOTE=Lost In Seoul]Hey All,

Just wanted to know if anyone has heard if they raided the hill in itaewon yet or any other new spots... I know one of the girls working the hill it would be sad if they all just disappeared one day.

I personally say they should work on kicking out the illegal immigrant prostitutes before the ones that are citizens or atleast have some sort of visa![/QUOTE]

Was in Seoul for the first time this weekend. Went to an area called Gangnam? Was there for a party for someone at a club called Big Rock. First of all, this place was rockin with tons of hot chicks. My boys and I ended up drinking too much, and needed a place to stay so we got rooms at a place next to Jelly Motel. The room was 55$ USD. In the room was a card with a hot girl on it and a phone number. I was tempted to call the number, but it was 230am and I was drunk and tired.

However, I heard my neighbor get some sort service. It went like this: I heard his phone ring. Then about 5 minutes later there was a knock at his door, and I heard a male and female voice. Then the door closed.

So, sorry for the newbie like question, but asuming I was in a sex motel, and the late night call, I am sure this was a WG situation. So, was this one of the girls from the card? I am sure the pictures were not the ones that show up, cause if they were I would surely pay for thier service. And by the way, how much are we talking? BTW, I am foriegn guy with no hangul skills at all.

Had fun at the bar though, and the korean girls were super hot around that area.

C.