Berlin

On a slow connection with proxy so this will be short. Went to Klix 37, saw Mona, for 1. 5 hrs, had a great time. She is one of the few Germans working there. Had approximately a 15 girl lineup, no stunners except for a black girl. Mamasan was very cool. 50 for. 5 hr. 90 for 1 hr and 10 euro for BBBJ. Easy to get jnto, the building has a buzzer labeled Massage, no need to call like in Prague.

Mona has great english, very friendly and enthusiastic even tho she is 32. She works out and has a nice hard ass and thighs, defined back and arms. Unfortunately she has saggy boobs but she is fun so that's what counts.

Thanks everyone for your help

[quote=umichalex; 1303464]hello friends.

i am planning to be in europe next month and thinking about going for a few days to berlin to have fun. i have never been anywhere to monger so this would be my 1st and i have some questions in this regard to make it hassle free and fun obviously.

after reading some of the thread, i imagine the bordellos worth visiting are prestige, royal, vk, tiffany, liberty, odette, monrouge, (kd) and artemis and i believe they are rep001tered around berlin. my question is are they in safe neighborhoods because i am travelling alone and also can you easily get a cab outside these bordellos to get back to your hotel?

how is the escort scene? any good agencies or independent escorts you guys would recommend? also is bordello scene better or escort?

i am really fond of strip clubs back in states as dancers are stunning and give really great lap dances. any good strip clubs in berlin worth visiting?

heard hookers on oranienburger strasse and kurfurstenstrasse are usually hot but total rip-offs. any chance you can get good service from them or should you avoid them no matter what. again is it safe to go to any of those two streets alone at night?

i have to take return flight to home from either prague, zurich or brussels so i`m thinking of staying in any one of three for a day before catching my return flight. any insight which of the 3 cities would be best to monger after berlin would be great.

sorry if i have bombarded the blog with too many questions.

alex[/quote]alex, you asked the same question on the other thread, only here you switched out the city of vienna and replaced with prague. you are all over the place, i guess because of flight options. i'm assuming you are looking for the best way to cap off a trip to berlin, just in case artemis and the bordellos in berlin don't produce sufficient hotties when you visit, so where is a good alternative city?

i also often do a secondary stopover on the way home from a mongering trip to kiev, so i have had to analyze this and make this kind of choice many times before.

is there any reason why you can't fly home from frankfurt? if you can manage that, then you can visit fkk oase or fkk palace or fkk world, or any two of them. they are the biggest and best of the fkk's, and far better than artemis imho, and cheaper too at 100 euro / hr session fees. i would choose frankfurt over the cities you mentioned (brussels / zurich) even if it added several hundred dollars to the cost of the air tickets, simply because you will probably save that amount in girl session costs by going to frankfurt because the costs in brussels or zurich are double the costs in frankfurt fkk's. (as an alternative to frankfurt, i'm sure there are advocates here for the dusseldorf / cologne area which does have many fkk club options, however they close early, are crowded more, and are more difficult to get to, unless you rent a car, so my pick for a one or two night stopover would be frankfurt area fkk's).

i recommended for you to choose vienna when you asked the question in the other thread and you mentioned that city. if you can't go to frankfurt, then reconsider the vienna option for the reasons i stated earlier. if you aren't as flight flexible as you seem, then between the cities you now mention, prague seems the best. brussels has a rld right adjacent to the train station and the set up and prices are like amsterdam, really pretty, hot girls in windows, available for 15 minutes for 50 euro for a quickie. that means that for an hour you will pay 200 euro. it's exactly double the price of the german fkk's. but the girls in brussels, like in amsterdam, we're hot. when i was in brussels on a stopover last year the girls were hot, plenty of romanian, bulgarians, but also some hot russian or ukrainian girls in some of the windows. honestly, prague would be a better choice because prices are lower there for girls in the "privats" (the girl apartments) all over prague, and the czech women are beautiful. i suppose if you want to use high end escort outcall agencies, you can get girls who are off the charts gorgeous in both cities. in prague, when i mongered there some years ago i got great gfe beauties from the high end escort agencies, but then we're talking about a several hour commitment for 300 to 400 euro. the guys who want to stay in the 100 euro per hour range speak highly of the privats in prague. so in order of preference for departure cities for a one or two night stopover after a mongering trip to berlin, i would pick frankfurt, vienna, prague, brussels / zurich. and then you have to learn the ins and outs of mongering in the city you choose.

lj

Beware of Gypsy taxi drivers and irish limbo dancers. In Berlin.

[QUOTE=Norjan; 1304043]Have only been to Artemis, so this answer is about that area.

They say it's in a safe area but it's not. It's in a rough area. Criminals are lurking around the corners and even in the S-bahn, in the wagons and on the platforms just waiting for someone like you. A tourist loaded with cash, not really knowing where he is.

Expert word of advice: Take a a cab both going to Artemis and when going back to your hotel. It's easy getting a cab in central Berlin and also outside Artemis where they'll be waiting in line. The only problem is that when going to Artemis, the driver knows that your pockets are full of cash, think of that when choosing your cab.

Norjan[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bearsk; 1304169]Beware of Gypsy taxi drivers and irish limbo dancers. In Berlin. Based on Have only been to Artemis, so this answer is about that area.

They say it's in a safe area but it's not. It's in a rough area. Criminals are lurking around the corners and even in the S-bahn, in the wagons and on the platforms just waiting for someone like you. A tourist loaded with cash, not really knowing where he is.

Expert word of advice: Take a a cab both going to Artemis and when going back to your hotel. It's easy getting a cab in central Berlin and also outside Artemis where they'll be waiting in line. The only problem is that when going to Artemis, the driver knows that your pockets are full of cash, think of that when choosing your cab.

Norjan[/QUOTE]Indeed. Norjan. Where do you get this stuff? What solid evidence do you have to make such claims?

IMHO, Westkreuz is perfectly safe, have been there loads of time 03:00, never the slightest bad vibe, S-Bahns under surveillance etc. One sees women walking alone there all the time in the early am so obviously they feel quite safe. Unless. They are part of the vast Gypsy criminal conspiracy. I never thought of that.

There are of course rough areas in Berlin but this most def not. The only good argument for a cab is sometimes the trains can be 15-25 minutes apart so you can stand around a bit and if one is cold, tired, drained of precious bodily fluids, a cab is nice. But absolutely not necessary for safety.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1304178]Indeed. Norjan. Where do you get this stuff? What solid evidence do you have to make such claims?

IMHO, Westkreuz is perfectly safe, have been there loads of time 03:00, never the slightest bad vibe, S-Bahns under surveillance etc. One sees women walking alone there all the time in the early am so obviously they feel quite safe. Unless. They are part of the vast Gypsy criminal conspiracy. I never thought of that.

There are of course rough areas in Berlin but this most def not. The only good argument for a cab is sometimes the trains can be 15-25 minutes apart so you can stand around a bit and if one is cold, tired, drained of precious bodily fluids, a cab is nice. But absolutely not necessary for safety.[/QUOTE]Thank you all for great advice on safety in Berlin.

atLJ. Once again really appreciate your detailed insight. Well never considered Frankfurt because not sure if it has to offer any thing else like good bordellos or good escort service other than the 2-3 FKKs everyone talks about. Would certainly like the possibility of having other options at my disposal because in case I find out after going to Artemis that FKKs are not my thing (hopefully that won't happen because FKKs are such a unique concept and are every mongers favorite) , then I`m kind of stuck in Frankfurt. I am pretty flexible with my departure city and can probably depart from Frankfurt as well so maybe I`ll read into the Frankfurt thread to get a better idea of other possible solutions exist just to give me that flexibility.

Alex

I am visiting Berlin shortly and searching for a blonde girl with enhanced attributes who does CIM. Up to 200 euros a hour. Very happy for any tip!

[QUOTE=UmichaLex;1304216]in case I find out after going to Artemis that FKKs are not my thing (hopefully that won't happen because FKKs are such a unique concept and are every mongers favorite) , then I`m kind of stuck in Frankfurt. I am pretty flexible with my departure city and can probably depart from Frankfurt as well so maybe I`ll read into the Frankfurt thread to get a better idea of other possible solutions exist just to give me that flexibility.Alex[/QUOTE]A-as discussed with LJ in the Artemis ISG Forum, there is no "answer". No idea of you, your taste in women, how experienced you are, your budget etc. I think both Artemis and Palace Frankfurt by my tastes will be weaker than normal. I suspect this is true everywhere as many (not all) of the better girls will take a summer break. However as you have never been, you may just be thrilled to death by the whole FKK thing and find all fine. Oase (north of Frankfurt) IF (important) weather good surely a worthwhile look, though unlike many, I have never been so impressed by the women / service thing there.

I looked at the Vienna FKK options and I am either underwhelmed or it is absurdly expensive. Prague one of the world's most beautiful cities but it will demand some language tolerance and a fair bit of running around-probably need a couple of days just to get your bearings. Zurich is expensive but a very pretty city and visit to the Globe and then some cruising on a bike around the lake and the old town sounds to me like a pretty good 2 days. Maybe even with a detour to Luzern-an hour away. Air Berlin has reasonable flights Berlin-Zurich. You can decide also after having sampled some of the Berlin Bordells and private flats discussed a lot on the ISG Berlin forum. It will all be hit and miss, YMMV, also a function of logistics and budget. But if you are not in Europe so often, and time is an issue, I would pump for a quick overnight trip to Zurich. But you maybe so enchanted by the Berlin options you never make it anywhere. Good luck and let us know.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1303365]Question is out of area, but since Prague and Czech Republic has come up here and my inquiry in the Czech forum has not yielded any results, I dare to ask here too:

Does anyone know anything about Czechmegaswingers? Especially if and how it is possible to participate in those massive groupfuck orgies?

Here's an example:

[url]http://www.extremetube.com/video/multi-amateurs-orgy-at-czech-swingers-party-123477[/url][/QUOTE]Not sure where you are at with this but I have managed to come up with some info on the website with contact info. I am reluctant to share it in the open forum but if interested send me a pm and I will pm you what I have. What I have is not much but it may be a start.

AM

[QUOTE=UmichaLex; 1304216]Thank you all for great advice on safety in Berlin.

AtLJ. Once again really appreciate your detailed insight. Well never considered Frankfurt because not sure if it has to offer any thing else like good bordellos or good escort service other than the 2-3 FKKs everyone talks about. Would certainly like the possibility of having other options at my disposal because in case I find out after going to Artemis that FKKs are not my thing (hopefully that won't happen because FKKs are such a unique concept and are every mongers favorite) , then I`m kind of stuck in Frankfurt. I am pretty flexible with my departure city and can probably depart from Frankfurt as well so maybe I`ll read into the Frankfurt thread to get a better idea of other possible solutions exist just to give me that flexibility.

Alex[/QUOTE]Dear Alex,

I will be very surprised if you wouldn't enjoy the concept of an FKK in terms of it being a highly charged sexual environment. I analogize it to walking into Hugh Heffner's "Playboy Mansion" with young hot centerfold lovelies lounging all around the property, with the added perk that at the FKK, the sexy, skinny young females are all walking around completely naked, except for their high-heeled shoes, and all they want to do is drag you off to some nicely appointed bedroom and suck and fuck you for 50 euro per half hour (60 euro if you're in Berlin at Artemis). Refreshments and food are included and you can spend as long as you want at the club to rest and recharge in between sex sessions. It's a hedonistic sexually charged environment that you will never forget. I remember my first time, and thinking,"you mean this has been here all this time, and I never knew? Damn, this is awesome!" you will probably have a similar reaction.

A caveat is that Artemis in Berlin tends to get a lot of guys and with crowds comes competition to score the hottest girls, which as in any club are only a certain proportion of the females there, and thus are a limited commodity. Added to that is the "summer vacation" aspect pointed out by Rocketboy0, which may have led to lower numbers of the best and hottest girls being present in the FKK clubs during the present summer period. He opines that this "summer vacation" drain on the talent is likely to affect all of the sex venues everywhere. He may well be right. All I can say is that my visit to FKK Oase near Frankfurt last summer was awesome, and when I think of the hotness of the beauties I nailed during that trip my head still spins. So it is not a given that summertime is a bad time to visit FKK's. From my experience, the Frankfurt area FKK's. Palace, Oase and World. (there are others but I've never been to them) are very enjoyable during the summer, especially those like Oase which have nice outdoor areas and swimming pool. Take a look at the YouTube video of the reconstructed premises now up on their website ([url]www.fkk-oase.de[/url]) and imagine the sexy, naked young girls sprawled on the lounges around the outdoor pool. It's a nice way to spend a summer day (and continue the party at night, if you have any sperm left). So if it turns out that Artemis is lacking in hotties like it was when I visited it on April 18 this year, it is my opinion that it is because it is not as good a mongering club as the Frankfurt area FKK's where there have always been sufficient very pretty, hot young girls to satisfy my desires. Again there are those who favor the FKK clubs up near Dusseldorf and Cologne area in terms of the line ups, but I have written earlier my reasons and factors for picking the Frankfurt area FKK's for a one or two night stopover.

Anyway, I don't think that one can really be "stuck" in Frankfurt, due to the very good train system of the Deutche Bahn, and from Frankfurt you can be up in Dusseldorf / Cologne area or even to Brussels in a relatively short train ride.

Frankfurt's escort outcall scene is a high end option, and although awesome looking escorts can be summoned to your hotel room, I never considered using an outcall escort in Frankfurt since the much lower prices at the FKK's were readily available. FKK Palace is inSide Frankfurt (you can book the hotel right next to it and be able to walk back and forth to your hotel room from the club) and FKK Oase is a short 20 minute train ride and / or taxi ride from downtown Frankfurt (just hop on the S5 from the Frankfurt Hbf (main train station) to Bad Homburg and taxi from there to club).

If you are enamored more of the girl apartment or bordello scene, then one of the larger RLD's exists right next to the Frankfurt Hbf area, with buildings full of girl apartments. I never went to these either ecause I felt the FKK's were far superior an experience with good basic service more or less guaranteed, versus the uncontrolled environment at the RLD where you must be far more concerned with the rip off type of girl.

The Vienna FKK, Goldentime, has similar costs to Artemis in Berlin. Check out the website [url]www.goldentime.at[/url] And see. Entrance is 80 euro and girl session fees are 60 euro per half hour. Many beauties from nearby Hungary and Slovak republic, enhance the Romanian / Bulgarian usual FKK menu. And the "laufhaus" brothels are similarly priced. So I'm really not sure what Rocketboy0 is referring to in reference to Vienna.

Take a look at the ISG reports on the Prague thread and you will see a clearer picture of what's possible in the girl apartments there known as "privats". There is a very useful map detailing the location of every sex business and privat in Prague, so getting your bearings is not difficult IMHO. English is spoken widely in Prague. There are awesome high end escort agencies in Prague, if your budget allows, but there are a lot of lower cost options too. Also large sex clubs like K5 and many others. Prague was my favorite mongering city before I moved on to the FKK's, and then to Kiev. I would give Prague serious consideration as well because if you have never visited there yet, you will find it to be a very beautiful city architecturally and well worth your while as a tourist in general matters, as well as being a sex capital in Europe.

But as much as I enjoy Vienna and try to pass through there as often as I can on a stopover, and as much as I have nostalgia for the fun times I had in Prague, for practical reasons, I still think stopping over in Frankfurt, spending a day or two at FKK Oase and maybe Palace or World, and departing for home from Frankfurt, or then hopping on a train to Brussels to check out it's comparatively meager and more expensive offerings, and departing for home from Brussels, might be an exciting plan, that will give you a better overview of FKK land, than just an Artemis experience.

But I also liked Rocketbiy0's description of a stop in beautiful Zurich, although for sex it's likely that Frankfurt area presents a lower cost experience with an equivalent level of girl quality.

LJ

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1304178]Indeed. Norjan. Where do you get this stuff? What solid evidence do you have to make such claims?[/QUOTE]Consciousness that's all you need. Consciousness.

Norjan

[QUOTE=Norjan;1304421]Consciousness that's all you need. Consciousness.Norjan[/QUOTE]As I thought. You sure aren't doing a little misspelling, and forgetting the prefix "sub" or "un"?

I never really know if you are just "out there", or if all this is clever trolling, with a completely fabricated personality. Either way, it is a piece of work.

[QUOTE=Generalfarris;1304222]I am visiting Berlin shortly and searching for a blonde girl with enhanced attributes who does CIM. Up to 200 euros a hour. Very happy for any tip![/QUOTE]Jenna at Artemis. Picture on their website, you might ring to see if she's there when you are.

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1304447]As I thought. You sure aren't doing a little misspelling, and forgetting the prefix "sub" or "un"?

I never really know if you are just "out there", or if all this is clever trolling, with a completely fabricated personality. Either way, it is a piece of work.[/QUOTE]To tell you the truth I'm not even a human. I'm a super confidential software program, which sometimes transform in to a robot that goes to Artemis a couple of times a year, financed by a collaboration between the EU parliament and the Norwegian government.

But, since all this is classified, if I ever meet you, I'll have to kill you. Do'nt be surprised if this happens somewhere between the tyre shop and the containers on your way walking from Westkreuz and Artemis.

Norjan

[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1304409]But as much as I enjoy Vienna and try to pass through there as often as I can on a stopover, and as much as I have nostalgia for the fun times I had in Prague, for practical reasons, I still think stopping over in Frankfurt, spending a day or two at FKK Oase and maybe Palace or World, and departing for home from Frankfurt, or then hopping on a train to Brussels to check out it's comparatively meager and more expensive offerings, and departing for home from Brussels, might be an exciting plan, that will give you a better overview of FKK land, than just an Artemis experience.

But I also liked Rocketbiy0's description of a stop in beautiful Zurich, although for sex it's likely that Frankfurt area presents a lower cost experience with an equivalent level of girl quality.

LJ[/QUOTE]Briefly. I was underwhelmed by the website photos at Golden Time Wien (a taste thing to be sure) , Babylon absurdly expensive. And I have normally really good things to say about Austrian women. Prague. Sure but it will require a fair bit of running around, and it will be jammed with tourists. Frankfurt-it will be hit and miss and Oase without great weather a different deal, and a relative a hassle to reach (easily an hour each way if you stay in Frankfurt) , and come and go. It tends to E European thin waify types-again a taste thing, and not mine. World-some like, but I find it creepy too E European, it is a hike without a car, and owned by German motorcycle gang. Palace in summer will be hit and miss, and in any case, while Frankfurt has spent a lot on museums and river front development etc. It is still Frankfurt. Frankfurt to me often feels claustrophobic, not helped by a relative absence of cheap flights to EU destinations unlike other German cities, and trains can also be expensive on short notice. For me, after Berlin, another "landlocked" big city experience (also applies to Prague, and Vienna despite their being near rivers) for several days in summer not attractive. And Brussels. Not worth it IMHO, in your situation.

Whereas. Look at the club-globe. Ch website and see Mohab`s recent description; it just seems the odds significantly better there, all things considered. Disagree with LJ that quality the same elsewhere for less cost but at least Berlin will help you establish a baseline. I do think the Globe quality has the potential (note that word) to be much better. YMMV and of course it will depend upon the day and your tastes. All things being equal WED-SAT best days (and better so late afternoons / evenings) everywhere. Yes more expensive but likely only for a day, with a few sessions, net net 400 ish more. But Zurich a surprisingly edgy city, good arts and music scene, the region extremely beautiful with its large swimmable lake, and Luzern nearby even more so. The lake boat trips, or just hiring a bicycle, with towering mountains nearby pretty unbeatable. With the Globe, you have a fairly large one stop shop, very good transit system, vs needing to go poon safaris all over unfamiliar cities or their countrysides. There are some useful rail passes you should buy in advance and some hotel planning on-line helpful, check Time-Out and Lonely Planet tips. It really depends on logistics, time and flight schedules, and budget and how likely you are to pass through Europe again, but balancing a lot of factors, if it were me-I'the be off to Zurich / Globe.

You can wait til we hear LJs report from the Globe. And again doing Berlin both Artemis and some of the better bordellos first and seeing how you feel about the whole scene first makes most sense IMHO.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1302844]Norjan-have you considered London for this fantasy? It is expensive but as far as I can see has some of the best talent anywhere for take out. If you have the means it could be just the thing you are looking for plus less language difficulties as I assume that you are pretty fluent with English.

Just a thought.

AM[/QUOTE]This is a very good shot.

The prettiest escorts in Europe work here (london). Prices are very high here compared to Germany, but that's part of what attracts the top girls to come here to work. The Olympics starts in 2 weeks, so the city will be full of hotties.

C