Lisbon

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2700603]Go back to post 4140. With two exceptions, every one of those independents has incall. The two exceptions are the former EP ladies. But you still have lots to choose from and they are among the highest regarded independents in Lisbon.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much, Mongerer88! I did some search on ApartaDox as well, but when you filter by incalls, I only got like 5 results, and couldn't find any reviews on them on gp. Pt.

I'll check out your post, thanks again!

[QUOTE=CasualHobbyist;2700628]Thanks so much, Mongerer88! I did some search on ApartaDox as well, but when you filter by incalls, I only got like 5 results, and couldn't find any reviews on them on gp. Pt.

I'll check out your post, thanks again![/QUOTE]That sounds like a search or syntax error. Like 80 or 90% of the ladies advertising there are primarily or solely incall. That is the case for all the photo-verified advertising sites (as EP is an agency, not an ad site).

Just to throw out some names from all the photo-verified sites, these are well-regarded ladies who I think are still downtown. The thing to remember is most have rooms near Marques de Pomball or Saldana. I have no idea who, if anyone, of quality is working in Alfama. And I may be wrong about the location. The ladies move.

Eller Rocha
Eva Sanchez
Isis Lisboa
Cleo
Tati Bernardino

There are certainly others in downtown proper I am not aware of, just as there are others farther afield that I know of

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2699884]Well, we have an answer on the first one you asked about, Carolina Morais.

Unfortunately it is bad news.

An experienced reviewer took one for the team and it was awful. He has given 9 out of 10 reviews to the other ladies he saw.

Fortunately, the other lady you asked about is still getting excellent reviews.[/QUOTE]Thank you, Mongerer!

The review sounds terrible, I'll definitely avoid Carolina Morais. The price is higher than the other girls and the quality of the service is not good.

I'll be spending a month in Lisbon early this summer and am planning to do a lot of hobbying. Since my experience is almost entirely limited to high-end escorts in a country where hobbying isn't legal, I'm hoping that one of you more experienced gentleman can do a little online mentoring. Here are my questions:

1. Is payment usually provided up-front or afterwards?

2. Are requested (and agreed-to) extras paid for up-front or afterwards?

3. What is a reasonable tip for excellent service?

4. Is BBFS a thing in Portugal? (I once had a US provider surprise me mid-session.).

5. Is there anything that's unique to hobbying in Portugal that a newbie wouldn't know?

I apologize in advance for being so ignorant. I've been reading this forum religiously for the past two months and really appreciate the work that everyone is putting into it.

[QUOTE=CBuilder;2700586]Saw Bianca recently. EP girl.

Easy WhatsApp communication, her English is really good. Showed up on time and with no drama. Very pretty and her body was fantastic. I'm not a fan of bolt-ons but hers looked good. Also, not a fan of the excessive lip plumping. But still very pretty and best of all very friendly. You probably need to take more control than I did because if you don't lead not much will happen.

Good BJ, very tight for sex as it seemed to not want to go in. Excellent conversation after.

I do recommend.[/QUOTE]Bianca is great, I recommend her too. Ukrainian descent. Amazing body and tight like the pics. Very pretty. Tattoos photoshopped out but reminded me of Liya Silva for the one under her tits, upper torso. Easy to communicate via WhatsApp. Gave recommendations for her friends too at first when she thought she wasn't available. LK, DATY, CG, DS, MISH, great conversation afterwards too. She was really fun and gave good tips on sightseeing. Seems like she's very low volume and called herself lazy.

Anyway, Bianca was a solid pick so thanks to the folks on this board.

A fail and a win though. I tried to go to Elefante Branco and I couldn't get in. It took me a while to figure out where it was and then when I tried to go in, a guy left with three really good looking girls, and an older group of Russian looking guys tried to go in and we're denied. I didn't try to go in after them.

I did end up going to the Black Tie Club at 4 am in the morning. I'm wondering if that's where the girls go if they don't end up with dates or had bad luck at Elefante Branco. Not sure, anyone know? I ended up at table and a good looking blonde Guatemalan and a cute Romanian girl chatted me up. The Guatemalan tried to make me buy a bottle of champagne and I wasn't having it. I did end up getting the Romanian girl's WhatsApp number. I bounced quickly after that and went back to my hotel. I texted the Romanian girl and she was in my hotel room by 5:30 am. 19, pretty face, nice ass and super cool.

I saw Bianca later that evening. LOL. I wish I had a couple more weeks in Lisbon, maybe later this year. This group is great. Solid info and discussion. Much appreciated.

Saw a 40's balding white guy with a 20's thin, pretty Portuguese girl at breakfast at my hotel. Thought pretty strong move bringing her to breakfast. Then I noticed they didn't talk once and he looked at his phone the whole time and realized they probably are a couple.

Clara Senna.

[URL]https://www.portalprivado.com/en/best-escorts-portugal/escort-lisbon/escorts-lisbon.php?acompanhante=1237[/URL]#videobarra.

Saw her at her place. Pretty confusing how to get there. Her apartment was behind the street she gave me. The street number was nowhere to be found, but I went were her map directed and I was in the right place. Had to wait a bit because I was early. Some dude in what can only be described as an alley was out the whole time I was waiting. But once in I found a model thin, tall, pretty brunette. Weird blue lights in her apartment.

Cons:

Not really much English, but I'm in Portugal, so that's really my problem.

Finding apartment.

Pros:

Felt safe once inside.

Great body.

Pretty face.

Was put together when I got there.

Good BBBJ.

Good kissing.

Felt comfortable with her.

Someone else said she has a roommate. That could be but I didn't see any evidence of it.

120 for 1 hour. I wonder what she would charge to come to my hotel?

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2700735]That sounds like a search or syntax error. Like 80 or 90% of the ladies advertising there are primarily or solely incall. That is the case for all the photo-verified advertising sites (as EP is an agency, not an ad site).[/QUOTE]You're right, I was using nationality = Portuguese as a filter, that narrows down the search quite a bit.

Thanks for the recommendations. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, I tried texting a bunch of girls yesterday via WhatsApp, and only one replied so far. First I used Google Translate to get an introductory message in Portuguese and inquire about availability. Then, since some ladies mention they speak English, I tried sending messages in English as well. Again, no response. Maybe they get spooked by the fact that my phone number isn't local (starts with +1 country code)? One even seemed to have blocked me without replying, and I wasn't creepy at all, LOL. Just a polite greeting, and inquiry about availability.

There are no hard and fast rules.

In general, paying at the end to the extent that the money is not shown until the end is a third-world concept designed to about the cash & dash done by lower-end hookers, and as part of the petty gameplay that exists in the third world, it shows the dominance of one party over the other in the transaction, which is often important in a male-dominated culture. Portugal isn't a third-world country, or a patriarchy. This same concept bewilders many in that the escort does not encounter a machine gun wielding security person upon entering the hotel, and she is allowed to walk around the hotel by herself and even enter the elevator unsupervised and go to a room and knock.

So unless you are booking from the lowest of the low on a classified ad, just put the money in an envelope with a few bills clearly sticking out. She will probably more it with her eyes and not touch it till the end. A few will stick it in her purse. A very few will count each bill before the session starts, but then she has to worry about appearing to be a third-world girl. A compromise is that some will quietly put it in her purse and count it in the bathroom. Face-saving games occur among first-world people, too. We just aren't as blunt about it.

Tipping is not part of the escort culture in Portugal. If you do it, best not to mention it here. You will likely never be asked for a tip from an escort. Especially if it is outcall, you might hand her a bill if the service was great and say this is in case you incurred a parking charge at the hotel. It avoids the awkwardness of tipping in a non-tipping culture, just as rounding up and leaving coins at the table is part of restaurant culture without it being really called tipping.

BBFS is not a thing. There are reports of a lady or two initiating it to the shock of the customer, and those reports are often deleted or modified on the local board. One long departed EP lady was known to do it, and I mentioned it to him via PM (I am not into BBFS, I just read it in a report and conveyed the info to a guy who asked me about it via PM. She apparently did BBFS with him and when he asked EP to send him another BBFS lady they wouldn't serve him any longer. So as with the USA And Canada, asking for it directly can ruin your trip and cause sessions and relationships to end.

Extras are unknown, as payment for extras have just been started by EP. It was never previously a thing in Portugal. Anal sex is not always successful, but there is generally a lot of lubing and anal play involved, and some ladies claim that if they know a customer wants anal beforehand they change their eating habits and a few do a minor water-based enema beforehand, even though most doctors recommend against this. Bottom-line is that if a lot of butt-stuff is involved, she probably expects her listed 50 euro supplement even if full extended anal intercourse doesn't occur. But some girls might give it back. There are so many unknowns and uncertainties with upsells. Most EP ladies are not charging extra for CIM but a few list a supplement for swallowing. How are they going to react if you decide in a moment of passion or frugality to French-kiss them after CIM and do snowballing. Do you still owe the 50 euros for swallowing if she was planning to do so? I suspect the few with that surcharge will discuss it beforehand.

The independents are not yet listing anal and swallowing upcharge, so time will tell about this.

[QUOTE=Kephren0;2700797]I'll be spending a month in Lisbon early this summer and am planning to do a lot of hobbying. Since my experience is almost entirely limited to high-end escorts in a country where hobbying isn't legal, I'm hoping that one of you more experienced gentleman can do a little online mentoring. Here are my questions:

1. Is payment usually provided up-front or afterwards?

2. Are requested (and agreed-to) extras paid for up-front or afterwards?

3. What is a reasonable tip for excellent service?

4. Is BBFS a thing in Portugal? (I once had a US provider surprise me mid-session.)..[/QUOTE]

When to pay is up to the lady or venue. It is sometimes before and sometimes after. Previously agreed upon extras would be folded into that, and tipping is not expected. So that is very much your call.

BBFS is not advertised. It is frowned upon, even scorned in the industry. My impression is asking for it during your WhatsApp exchange or call will terminate your inquiry half the time. The local board has been known to purge reports of and questions about it.

However, sometimes the lady digs you and it happens. That isn't an extra, more of a compliment.

[QUOTE=Kephren0;2700797]I'll be spending a month in Lisbon early this summer and am planning to do a lot of hobbying. Since my experience is almost entirely limited to high-end escorts in a country where hobbying isn't legal, I'm hoping that one of you more experienced gentleman can do a little online mentoring. Here are my questions:

1. Is payment usually provided up-front or afterwards?

2. Are requested (and agreed-to) extras paid for up-front or afterwards?

3. What is a reasonable tip for excellent service?

4. Is BBFS a thing in Portugal? (I once had a US provider surprise me mid-session.).

5. Is there anything that's unique to hobbying in Portugal that a newbie wouldn't know?

I apologize in advance for being so ignorant. I've been reading this forum religiously for the past two months and really appreciate the work that everyone is putting into it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kephren0;2700797]
1. Is payment usually provided up-front or afterwards?

2. Are requested (and agreed-to) extras paid for up-front or afterwards?

3. What is a reasonable tip for excellent service?

4. Is BBFS a thing in Portugal? (I once had a US provider surprise me mid-session.).

5. Is there anything that's unique to hobbying in Portugal that a newbie wouldn't know?

I apologize in advance for being so ignorant. I've been reading this forum religiously for the past two months and really appreciate the work that everyone is putting into it.[/QUOTE]1. Usually up-front. But, with some ladies, even on a first meeting, you can do it afterwards. It's not a rule but these tend to offer a better service.

2. The same.

3. It's up to you. I'd say something like 20% of the regular fee.

4. Not "a thing" but it may happen.

5. Not really. I think.

[QUOTE=KamaLeo;2700991]1. Usually up-front. But, with some ladies, even on a first meeting, you can do it afterwards. It's not a rule but these tend to offer a better service.

2. The same.

3. It's up to you. I'd say something like 20% of the regular fee.

4. Not "a thing" but it may happen.

5. Not really. I think.[/QUOTE]1. Very interesting. I've seen about 7-8 ladies in Lisbon, about half EP and half other websites and none have ever requested or even mentioned up-front payment. I had been leaving the money on a table in the room but never any mention of payment up front, even when I didn't do that (and just paid afterwards).

Got to see a beautiful Eller Rocha. Had a really good time. Amazing oral skills, and super tight and fit body. Also, very quick responses, and she was ready right on time. Pierced nipples is not really my thing, but I didn't mind too much. Also, I have a feeling that I paid a "tourist tax", since I mentioned that I'm visiting and her rate wasn't mentioned in the ad. But it was totally worth it in the end, and it's close to what I usually pay back home anyway. Another small issue was that she doesn't speak English (same as previous poster mentioned. That's my problem), but that didn't impact my experience much, she seemed to follow the directions rather well. DFK and BBBJ were on the menu, but no anal, which she mentioned in our exchange.

Thanks for all the recommendations, guys!

Most ads don't mention rates, and even when they do, one should ask first. Nobody minds being asked about rates and available services.

How much did you pay? Last I heard, Eller was asking 150/ HR for incall.

[QUOTE=CasualHobbyist;2701125]Got to see a beautiful Eller Rocha. Had a really good time. Amazing oral skills, and super tight and fit body. Also, very quick responses, and she was ready right on time. Pierced nipples is not really my thing, but I didn't mind too much. Also, I have a feeling that I paid a "tourist tax", since I mentioned that I'm visiting and her rate wasn't mentioned in the ad. But it was totally worth it in the end, and it's close to what I usually pay back home anyway. Another small issue was that she doesn't speak English (same as previous poster mentioned. That's my problem), but that didn't impact my experience much, she seemed to follow the directions rather well. DFK and BBBJ were on the menu, but no anal, which she mentioned in our exchange.

Thanks for all the recommendations, guys![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExExpatriate;2701299]Most ads don't mention rates, and even when they do, one should ask first. Nobody minds being asked about rates and available services.

How much did you pay? Last I heard, Eller was asking 150/ HR for incall.[/QUOTE]Not sure if that's OK to post rates here, but it was quite above that. Yeah, I was expecting more around 150, but I honestly didn't mind, had a really great time.