Pattaya Reports

I wasn't really much in the mood for hobbying today but ventured out anyways.

MP, Phazze, and I hit the soapies. First up was Rasputin. Lineup was limited and we were a bit too early to see the expensive Russians who come around 8 or 9 pm. I didn't mind one girl who was in the cheap group. Pretty face but a bit older which explains why she was in the cheaper group. Sabai Room was next. Not a great lineup but it had 2 nice girls. These turned out to be the prettiest soapie girls we saw. I didn't write down the numbers but off the top of my head they were 28 and 56. Next Honey 2. Definitely the most girls. Seats all full of Indians. Thought there was a nice one but when she got up she had cottage cheese on her legs. Pass. Next Sabai Dee. Nothing for me there.

Next was a stroll on Soi 6. It was already dark out. I prefer Soi 6 in daylight since it helps me see the girls in full light. I only walked the bottom half of the Soi and decided it was time to go home to get ready for WS.

MP and Phazze went to Panda and Palace. I was determined tonight to not stick with the same bars. Decided to hit Bypass looking for my friend. She wasn't there but it wasn't too bad in Bypass tonight. A couple of cuter girls that I may check out another time. After that I decided to slum it and went to Super Girl. Other than the occasional decent hostesses you see outside there is nothing much inside. This is a fun bar with the right girl.

I decided to join the guys at Palace. It was jammed. Lots of nice girls tonight. No seats anywhere. I didn't even sit close to the guys. I'm glad I did sit myself where I did though since I spotted a model 447. She seemed my type but she was busy giving a Japanese guy a lap dance. I will definitely buy her a LD when I see her next time. Also like 179 but the second she came on the main floor a Chinese guy grabbed her. She looked disgusted at him at first but after 3 drinks in 5 minutes she was welcoming his advances. All about the money!

Lighthouse. Walked in and out. 4 girls on stage. Maybe 8 girls total in the main bar. Electric Blue. In and out nothing worth staying for there. Nothing at Airport Bar either.

Tantra. Maybe it was too late but the lineup was not impressive at all.

Didn't know where the guys went so I went to visit a friend working in LK Metro.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2252786]I wasn't really much in the mood for hobbying today but ventured out anyways.

MP, Phazze, and I hit the soapies. First up was Rasputin.
.[/QUOTE]The only Pattaya soapy that I experienced was Rasputin, which was about a year ago. I was only given CBJ. BBBJ was refused. Is that typical for Rasputin? What about other Pattaya soapies?

I was expecting something equivalent to Lords Palace. What I got was far inferior in terms of facility, service, and beauty of the girl. Of course, it was less than half the price. I’m going to miss Lords Palace, it was expensive but excellent experience.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252797]The only Pattaya soapy that I experienced was Rasputin, which was about a year ago. I was only given CBJ. BBBJ was refused. Is that typical for Rasputin? What about other Pattaya soapies?

I was expecting somejthing equivalent to Lords Palace. What I got was far inferior in terms of facility, service, and beauty of the girl. Of course, it was less than half the price. Im going to miss Lords Palace, it was expensive but excellent experience.[/QUOTE]I was in several soapies on second road and always got CBJ. This is sadly standard for this "official places".

Only one time BBBJ was offered for a tip.

For that reason I will never go to a soapie there again.

I don't pay for CBJ.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2252305]Day 17 - Wednesday.

FINAL MONGERING DAY.

Ok, the end is finally upon me. This visit has been my longest by several days and despite a few days of the blues, I have had perhaps my best and most enjoyable visit yet...[/QUOTE]Bravo FL Hawk!

Wonderful reports which I always enjoy reading! Huge kudos for being so honest and discussing the negatives, including your own problems. Especially as I am also mid 60's, also cannot come in a condom, and never more than once / day, and often have to DIY to finish. Always good to know one is not alone.

I don't know if you remember me from 3+ years ago. Shortly before your first trip I believe.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1697492&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1697492.

Anyway, I will be in BKK in a few days time, which will be my 3rd solo trip (IE excluding other Asian trips with a Thai GF).

Best wishes and hope things went well with the GF.

Rob.

Ok which one of you guys spent all that money at Windmill? Mr. Enternational? BB? The Paw?

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/brits-203550-baht-pattaya-gogo/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Allover;2253676]Ok which one of you guys spent all that money at Windmill? Mr. Enternational? BB? The Paw?

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/brits-203550-baht-pattaya-gogo/[/URL][/QUOTE]The man was a Brit, a class act and respectful to the girls. That eliminates a few including me.

Most financial advisors posting comments ridiculing the Brit when most dont have a baht pot to biss in.

As an American I acknowledge the lost of the title to the Brit. Congrats to you sir.

Tomorrow I will be starting a gofundme donation account to win the record title back for USA. USA USA USA.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2253682]The man was a Brit, a class act and respectful to the girls. That eliminates a few including me.

Most financial advisors posting comments ridiculing the Brit when most dont have a baht pot to biss in.

As an American I acknowledge the lost of the title to the Brit. Congrats to you sir.[/QUOTE]And I feel like a millionaire when I drop 8000 Baht in an Agogo. LOL. You can't take it with you, remember you never see a hearse with a trailer attached to the back. On the other side it would be a shit night to be there because I would imagine none of the girls would have eyes for any other punter.

If I ever spent that ungodly amount (1) it would NEVER happen at Windmill (2) I would NEVER allow someone to take a photo of me with the bill.

I'm not even close my largest gogo bar bill without a barfine is only around 10,000 at Sapphire, more than once. That happened when I was still a tourist and still naive to how much one needs to actually spend to get what you want.

On a related Cheap Charlie note, I had a 'new' gogo dancer get extremely angry at me tonight when I was training her to my 3 or 4 drink maximum per hour rule. When she asked for another drink after quickly drinking her LD in less than 5 minutes I showed her how little my already trained girl drank in that time. Even though I refused a second LD she still sat with me for 15 minutes. Then at 15 minutes I asked her if she wanted another drink and she angrily refused! Why would she waste her time sitting with me if she was going to ultimately refuse that 2nd drink? My trained girl still wasn't even half way through her drink by then and was also confused at the new girl's actions.

Over the last 2 days at Palace I have seen 2 girls I have trained (Cat Ear girl is still a bit of a work in progress even after 2 years) drink 5 shots each in less than 15 minutes with their customers. I just laugh and my girls just grin at me cause they know they have a real sucker with them.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2253682]The man was a Brit, a class act and respectful to the girls.[/QUOTE]Add to that list "very very poor taste in women". That he has "favorite" in Windmill isn't bad enough, he barfines her for a month. Yeah. Respect.

I ain't neva seen a armored car at a funeral yet. Neville Brothers.

[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2253764]I ain't neva seen a armored car at a funeral yet. Neville Brothers.[/QUOTE]My kids think I'm joking when I tell them I'm doing my best to spend it all before I die! LOL.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2253768]My kids think I'm joking when I tell them I'm doing my best to spend it all before I die! LOL.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I saw a sign on a billboard advertising Turkish Air first class. "If you don't fly first class--you're children will. ".

[QUOTE=Allover;2254080]A few years ago I saw a sign on a billboard advertising Turkish Air first class. "If you don't fly first class--you're children will. ".[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I was thinking when I made my January reservation from USA to BKK. Then I saw the price differential. Economy class was $900. Business class was $5,400. First class was $18,500. Bought the economy class.

Delta has much lower prices on seats that are better than coach but not as good as business class. Too bad its an extra 8 hours travel time for me.

Maybe the name put me off when I first read about it. But it is the real deal. Would say very similar to Dollhouse XXX on Soi 15, with 2 levels. But Kink wins hands down. Did not spend as much time as I should have. Did not bother with Pandoras across the way.

If you are in the Soi Diana / LK Metro area, definitely have a look.

Other agogos, on a recent visit. Crazyhouse on Walking Street. There was a shit faced petite girl that was all about getting her pussy in your face, etc. Some other guy was with the thin girl with fairly nice large tits, with the chest tattoo above her tits. She was a little wild but has a nice and sexy look (hate her tattoo).

Windmill upstairs really pretty easy to talk with the girls. As always. Some say they are not as friendly as in the past. I disagree. That little waitress with the unusual face is always working downstairs, but she did not look well.

Electric Blue. Not much to say. Hit or miss at that agogo, actually it is more of a miss.

Misty's- Staff is always asking me if I want a girl, but still low pressure. I ended up having 2 girls join me. Alot of groping, but not much else. Still, a worthwhile venue. Not like it used to be, when they did not mind taking off their clothes. Why are they like that when the 2 bars next door. Electric Blue and BabyDolls have no problems?

Babydolls. Had some new talent. Of course the same tenured staff still there. Waitresses are definitely into service!!

A closed mouth don't get fed. Some things never change!

Today I bumped into an old Beach Road FL regular. I hadn't seen her in over a year. She was now working in a beer bar in the Soi Buakhao area. When I took her as a freelancer she would always go with me for 500 baht ST.

So I asked her price as a bargirl now. 400 baht for bar fine and 1500 baht for ST! Holy fuck.

So a 500 baht freelancer now goes for 1900 baht in a beer bar. No wonder I don't go to bars.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2254289]Misty's- Staff is always asking me if I want a girl, but still low pressure. I ended up having 2 girls join me. Alot of groping, but not much else. Still, a worthwhile venue. Not like it used to be, when they did not mind taking off their clothes. Why are they like that when the 2 bars next door. Electric Blue and BabyDolls have no problems?[/QUOTE]Misty's likes to think of itself as a gogo bar more akin to Sapphire than Electric Blue and Dollhouse. Not sure why no nice girls there except a former hostess / coyote girl (MP calls them PR girls) who coincidentally now works at Kink.

[QUOTE=Franga;2254509]So a 500 baht freelancer now goes for 1900 baht in a beer bar. No wonder I don't go to bars.[/QUOTE]

I had to sacrifice a beautiful girl who used to be 1000 ST at a beer bar and is now 3000 ST in a gogo bar. Figured she didn't enjoy being with me enough to grandfather or discount her pricing so I sadly moved on.

[QUOTE=Franga;2254509]Today I bumped into an old Beach Road FL regular. I hadn't seen her in over a year. She was now working in a beer bar in the Soi Buakhao area. When I took her as a freelancer she would always go with me for 500 baht ST.

So I asked her price as a bargirl now. 400 baht for bar fine and 1500 baht for ST! Holy fuck.

So a 500 baht freelancer now goes for 1900 baht in a beer bar. No wonder I don't go to bars.[/QUOTE]Why Holy Fuck? What would you of wanted this poor girl to do? She is now working at this bar. Should she have paid her own bar fine and then charged you 500 to make a wopping 100 Baht profit? It's either that or quit her job. I'm just wondering what you have been smoking? Weed is not legal yet in Thailand but almost. My dear friend, you are the apitomy of a Cheap Charlie LOL.

[QUOTE=Franga;2254509]So a 500 baht freelancer now goes for 1900 baht in a beer bar. No wonder I don't go to bars.[/QUOTE]Well you have to realize there are only diseased skanks on Beach Road that are not able to work in a beer bar or gogo bar for more money. Oh, you say it is the same girl? Seems I remember talking about that a time or two. Same girl, different place, different price. That is why you cut out the middle man and call them over on their free time for your price.

Hello there,

I've been RTFF a while now, and this is the first time for me posting, I will be on my maiden voyage to the LOS tomorrow and will stay for a week. I just wanted to post to thank all of the regular and irregular posters for informing and entertaining me with your reports. I will be posting my adventures when I'm back. My primary hunting grounds will be the clubs and soi 6, and I hope to visit some G-clubs in the little time that I have. You guys have been really helpful, again thanks.

I guess that shit is real. I stayed at one of my girls' place last night and when I got home a minute ago my landlord said that immigration had been through asking about all the foreigners that stay here. My landlord had a copy of all the foreigners' passport in his hand. He said that I needed to go see immigration. I told him that did not pertain to me because I am never here more than 30 days at a time. I gave him a copy of my new stamp and white form and told him of they come back to let then know my situation. Seems like they would already have that in their system.

Decided to slum it a bit last night.

Living Dolls. I should have taken a longer shower it would have been time better spent.

Crazy House. This one is for you, Lew! For CH standards it was actually quite good. Let's make no mistake this will never be a top gogo bar though. My favorite was being BF as I walked in. Now she's cute but other than her this place has been a dog show for a long time now. There was one girl #800 who had potential. Definitely someone like Syzy would drool all over. Tall lean slim looked 19. Cute natural Thai look. Only thing out of place was a very large mouth which she may have had surgery to widen. #800 was the ONLY girl in there with a customer and he also barfined her while I was in the bar. Like always, my girls tend to be the first ones barfined.

Wildcats. Where is Bee? Actually 2 visits this week. Neither time good. I give up even if it is high mileage there.

Bliss. I have a couple of friends here but if not for them I would never set foot in this bar.

Lighthouse, Airport, Electric Blue, Dollhouse. All just in and out.

Champagne. Met up with a fellow ISG member. Definitely lots of models. Nothing drink worthy but if you're in LK Metro definitely check this bar out. Many guys have different taste in girls than I do.

Soi Honey. After LK we decided to walk along Soi Honey. There was actually a very cute petite girl who grabbed me. Not sure is she popped out of Up to You or Paradise. I think it was Up to You. I may need to go see her one night. We also spotted a couple of other potential girls to at least have a drink with. It was after midnight so most girls were of the ladyboy variety on Soi Honey at that time.

Honey 1 - Quite a few girls in Honey 1 last night. I never see anyone I like at Honey 1. Forget about even looking at the 2000 or 2500 girls. 3000 for M and 3800 for V. I'd rather use that money on 2 or 3 soi 6 girls.

Story in the news today that a Chinese tourist was beaten up by one of the security guards for not buying a girl who sat with him a lady drink. I may just have to go there tonight and try my luck saying no to a girl.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255210]Story in the news today that a Chinese tourist was beaten up by one of the security guards for not buying a girl who sat with him a lady drink. I may just have to go there tonight and try my luck saying no to a girl.[/QUOTE]Good luck. If you have changed your name to Banana Puree tomorrow we know what happened.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2254565]Why Holy Fuck? What would you of wanted this poor girl to do? She is now working at this bar. Should she have paid her own bar fine and then charged you 500 to make a wopping 100 Baht profit? It's either that or quit her job. I'm just wondering what you have been smoking? Weed is not legal yet in Thailand but almost. My dear friend, you are the apitomy of a Cheap Charlie LOL.[/QUOTE]I think you are overreacting here. He didn't want to barfine her nor was he asking for a discount. He only asked for her price as a bargirl.
Maybe she's still willing to go with him for 500 baht in her free time.

I was in Soi 6 the other day and took a regular. After the deed I was washing up in the shower and she told me that she once had a Japanese customer who came in one minute. She was laughing at the memory. She just couldn't believe how quick this guy was. Then she showed me how long his dick was by using my cock as a measuring stick. Looked like one inch to to me.

So we have a Japanese guy who is a 111. One inch, one minute, one thousand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2255151]I guess that shit is real. I stayed at one of my girls' place last night and when I got home a minute ago my landlord said that immigration had been through asking about all the foreigners that stay here. My landlord had a copy of all the foreigners' passport in his hand. He said that I needed to go see immigration. I told him that did not pertain to me because I am never here more than 30 days at a time. I gave him a copy of my new stamp and white form and told him of they come back to let then know my situation. Seems like they would already have that in their system.[/QUOTE]He is reapomsible for filing a TM30 and if he didn't do it, they may want to see you to just confirm when you entered and so forth.

[QUOTE=Franga;2255293]So we have a Japanese guy who is a 111. One inch, one minute, one thousand.[/QUOTE]Girls say what they think you want to hear. They play games with their customers out of boredom too just like MP does with his girls. They are testing to see how easy a mark you are and how naive you are. No guy has a 1 inch dick. I'm close but it's at least 1.33 inches!

Continuing my slumming ways I decided to check out Come Together yesterday. Can't say I was too surprised to see it closed. A bit of a shame though since this location has been a long time BJ bar as it was formerly Carre Blanc. Maybe it was just closed yesterday but there were no signs up and I went after 2 pm when it was supposed to be open. Went across 3rd Road to Geisha bar. Now this place has definitely closed. Big for sale / rent sign right across the front door. Geisha had some decent looking young girls at times but was a bit too restrictive for a G club. I had to yell at mamasan once because the hot girl I was with wouldn't take off her clothes, give me a HJ, or DFK me. This is not what I expect after buying a LD in any G club.

Looks like out with 2 G clubs but there is a new one opening near Club 555 today. Forgot the name. Also Blue Olive recently opened near Heaven.

Soi 6 yesterday afternoon was good. Spotted maybe 3 cute ones who I will revisit one day. One at Bulldog, Wicked, and one other bar. Most of the girls I knew were working too except Kwan at Butterfly. Anyone know where Kwan is? Haven't seen her for a while.

Soapies. Walked around with an ISG member. His first time to the soapies was the night before at Honey 1. We went to Sabai Room, Honey 2, and Sabai Dee. All 3 had a girl I would have went with if it weren't a soapie. Some very nice looking girls can be found now if you hit the soapis at the right time. I forget most of the numbers now (I am not diligent like FL Hawk to write these things down and I usually forget the next day unless they are really worth remembering) but I definitely liked #55 at Sabai Room and #228 at Sabai Dee. Honey 2 had the best collective group and easily the most girls. Again, don't even look at the cheap girls they're like bar beer girls. The ISG guy took a girl from Sabai Room. To the ISG member, thanks for offering to pay for my soapie session. A very nice gesture on your part.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255614]Girls say what they think you want to hear. They play games with their customers out of boredom too just like MP does with his girls. They are testing to see how easy a mark you are and how naive you are. No guy has a 1 inch dick. I'm close but it's at least 1.33 inches![/QUOTE]What about Mr Chow from the Hangover. His dick was only half an inch long.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255614]No guy has a 1 inch dick. I'm close but it's at least 1.33 inches![/QUOTE]And all girls always told you "oh very big cock" LOL.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255618] there is a new one opening near Club 555 today. Forgot the name. [/QUOTE]
Club Baku https://www.facebook.com/ClubBakuPattaya/

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255618]Also Blue Olive recently opened near Heaven.[/QUOTE]Yes, is Blue Olives [URL]https://www.facebook.com/blueoliveslounge/[/URL].

So I am currently in Pattaya for one month and have been here for one week already with three to go and spending most of my time on Soi 6. I have had about 15 encounters, all of which have been good-great with very eager and willing girls between the ages of 18-24, nothing older then that. On my last trip to Patong in 2015 I had a regular massage girl whom I saw every other day and she smelled me, like, smelled me really deep and all over. I never really thought about it until I came back to Thailand and Pattaya in particular when I have had quite a few of the girls do the same thing, take deep breaths in all over my neck, chest and torso. I tried to ask them if that is a sign of affection or attraction, one told me "I look like a real man, very sexy" which could all be total bullshit but when it happens after very passionate sex, it makes me wonder if that is true. Any help? Not that it matters but I am relatively young (40) and in decent shape. Please don't flame me with insults, I just would really like to know as it is quite the turn on and ego boost if true.

Soi 6 today at 7 pm, not in early afternoon as usual. No advantage compared to 2 pm in terms of line-up. First session didn't go well despite the girl looking and acting wicked and perverse, tattooed, hard-core, possibly high on something judging by her saucer eyes and extreme horny behaviour. I raised my hand to the air-con before leaving and found it to be lukewarm. Could be why I struggled. Mental note: in the future always make sure the air-con is cold. Sexual intercourse is exothermic, it won't go if heat is left to accumulate.

Decided to have a 2nd session with an abnormally tall girl who turned out to be a post-op. Fell for it line hook and sinker because she was at the "right" end of the street, had a superior body but with small tits and none of the tell-tale overexaggerated curves or ladyboyish tics and mannerisms. What should have made me suspicious was that "she" was still available. I walked away from the room in a huff. Well no I didn't. Having already drawn blank once and money not growing on trees for me I made the most of the situation and managed to finish. Yes I know, shame on me, but look, I fuck my own hand sometimes and it is not even post-op yet. I am to have it operated but I keep putting it off.

[QUOTE=XXL;2256180]Decided to have a 2nd session with an abnormally tall girl who turned out to be a post-op. Fell for it line hook and sinker because she was at the "right" end of the street, had a superior body but with small tits and none of the tell-tale overexaggerated curves or ladyboyish tics and mannerisms. What should have made me suspicious was that "she" was still available. I walked away from the room in a huff. Well no I didn't. Having already drawn blank once and money not growing on trees for me I made the most of the situation and managed to finish. Yes I know, shame on me, but look, I fuck my own hand sometimes and it is not even post-op yet. I am to have it operated but I keep putting it off.[/QUOTE]She had a female voice?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2256185]She had a female voice?[/QUOTE]Yes she had as far as I could notice although I couldn't audition her in any reliable way what with the din on soi 6.

[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2256092]-snip-

On my last trip to Patong in 2015 I had a regular massage girl whom I saw every other day and she smelled me, like, smelled me really deep and all over. I never really thought about it until I came back to Thailand and Pattaya in particular when I have had quite a few of the girls do the same thing, take deep breaths in all over my neck, chest and torso. I tried to ask them if that is a sign of affection or attraction, one told me "I look like a real man, very sexy" which could all be total bullshit but when it happens after very passionate sex, it makes me wonder if that is true. Any help? Not that it matters but I am relatively young (40) and in decent shape. Please don't flame me with insults, I just would really like to know as it is quite the turn on and ego boost if true.[/QUOTE]What you are describing is "sniff kissing". Many Thai girls are into it. Do it back to them, especially in the neck area as they did with you, and it will drive them nuts. For many Thais it is like DFK for most of us.

[QUOTE=XXL;2256180].................Decided to have a 2nd session with an abnormally tall girl who turned out to be a post-op. Fell for it line hook and sinker because she was at the "right" end of the street, had a superior body but with small tits and none of the tell-tale overexaggerated curves or ladyboyish tics and mannerisms. What should have made me suspicious was that "she" was still available. I walked away from the room in a huff. Well no I didn't. Having already drawn blank once and money not growing on trees for me I made the most of the situation and managed to finish. Yes I know, shame on me, but look, I fuck my own hand sometimes and it is not even post-op yet. I am to have it operated but I keep putting it off.[/QUOTE]You have my sympathy. Happened to me once in HK. Thai in walk-up; I could not get hard. Only after leaving I realized it was a post-up. Hope it never happens again.

1st trip to Pattaya
9 nights
Nov 16 - 25.

Just got back from my 1st trip to Pattaya. Below is a general report of my key takeaways / experiences during my stay.
Hung out with Monkeypaw (2nd time), FL Hawk (1st time), Banana Boi (1st time), Lew Ashby (1st time).
Feel free to reach out if you'd like any additional in-depth details.

Little about Myself
*Asian-American, 27 y/o, Chinese / Taiwanese background.
*Not the rowdy type, generally more quiet & prefer discretion.
*Prefer stunner type: tall, slim, pretty face, fair skin, no baby damage, girls that would make you hard just looking at them, etc.
**Given my preference. I'd just like to preface my report by saying that I can come off as a super picky motherfucker (LOL).
But at the end of the day, I didn't come here to fuck "normal" looking girls that I wouldn't have much trouble getting back home.

Hotel#1- Hilton (1st 7 nights).
*Pros: Great overall experience, fantastic views, good breakfast, nice rooms, friendly staff, NO joiner fee, mall w / food & banks, great pool.
*Cons: priciest 5 star option, not walkable to & from WS (especially with a girl), gym could be better.
*Misc: while it may not be a huge factor, I'm sure girls are more receptive to a nice place as opposed to a dump.

Hotel #2- WAVE (last 2 nights).
*Pros: Spacious rooms, smaller hotel / fewer rooms = more lowkey, NO joiner fee.
*Cons: pricey for a 4 star option (comparable to Hilton), not walkable to & from WS (next door to Hilton), ground floor pool, exposed to street noise, etc.
*Misc: Hilton > WAVE. Pretty straight forward, it is what it is. Breakfast is AYCE but comes in set menus, not as good as Hilton.

Regular Daytime activities
*Pros: if you like beach / water activities, seems like there's definitely enough to keep you entertained.
*Cons: aside from beach / water activities, not a whole lot else to do. (But then again, I didn't come here to "travel")
*Misc: I really didn't do shit during the day, just chilled by the pool, smoked cigs, drank & napped.

Food
*Pros: lots of cheap eats, no shortage of good thai food, lots of seafood options.
*Cons: fine dining is lacking, overall not great. (especially if you come from a major metropolitan city IE: NYC, LA, Hong Kong, etc.).
*Misc: fine dining generally not cheap even compared to what you'd find in 1st world countries. Not worth the price.

Soi 6.
*Pros: cheaper alternative to WS, opens before WS for you to pump one out before evening, lots of girls.
*Cons: if you're like me & are looking for "stunners". They'll be harder to come by here. After all, there's a reason why they're here and not in a top GoGo.
*Misc: never ended up taking a girl from Soi 6, but from what I was told. Girls are likely to try harder & provide better service than their WS counterparts. Makes sense.

Soapies
*Pros: several within walking distance of each other, cheaper than Bangkok, convenient.
*Cons: overall quality of girls not as great as Bangkok, fewer establishments than Bangkok.
*Misc: never ended up taking a girl from soapies, I think I ended up getting spoiled w / my trips to the Lord in Bangkok.

Walking Street (found all my girls here)
*Pros: shit load of GoGos, shit load of girls, more entertaining than BKK scene (if you enjoy a challenge), best overall quality of girls IMHO.
*Cons: shit load of girls, so again if you're looking for true stunners... you'll still have to search. Not cheap, expect to drop $$ if you want the best.
*Misc: lots of tourists. Some can be rude & just plain obnoxious, annoying fuckers trying to sell you on sex shows etc.

Favorite GoGos
1-Palace, 2 (tie) -Panda / Baccara, 4-Sensations, 5-Sapphire.
*Overall, Palace just had the highest concentration of "stunners" & IMHO the best ambiance / setup.
Small in size, harder to find seats, but keeps you closer to the girls on stage & more interaction with girls walking around.
Girls here definitely hustle you more than other bars due to the close proximity, but its fun if you're not cheap.

"Stunner" Experience.
Just like with non-hookers, the prettier the girl, the more options she has, the more difficult it is for you to get what you want.
Thus, its only natural that the top girls will naturally be more receptive to youth, good looks & overall charm / game. (Money being an obvious pre-requisite, IE: can't be CHEAP).
Highly doubt this fact would change regardless of where you go to monger.
So to be completely objective, if you are older or less attractive or lack charm / game. You are going to have a harder time getting the best looking girls plain & simple.

Regarding customer demographics, the "top" GoGo bars are predominately asian. Live with it, you're in Asia. It's the same in Bangkok.
Do we smoke? Yes. If you don't like it, don't come or sit further away. With me, I make it a habit to blow my smoke away from others but that is the extent of how much I care about what others think of my smoking in a GoGo.
From what I've seen, not just in Pattaya, east asian customers are less likely to be rowdy / disrespectful, less stingy / cheap & are overall more chill / relaxed.
These traits aside. These are ASIAN girls. Don't be surprised if they are more inclined to go with ASIAN customers.
EX: lot more similarities between Thai culture/behavior vs. Chinese, Korean, Japanese than say Thai vs. Non-asian American, European, etc.
These girls are still human after all. Not mindless fuck machines. They'll go with what they're most comfortable with.
EX: on more than 1 occasion, girls have told me after that they like the fact that they can be seen walking with me in public & it look like they're with their boyfriend/guy friend rather than a customer. i suppose less shame/judging looks from others... which seemingly translated to them being more comfortable in bed as well.
(not have it been completely obvious that they're about to fuck me for money)

Overall tips / advice for getting stunners (not exclusive to Pattaya).
**Be mindful / respectful, but still have fun.
Yes you're in a GoGo bar or w/e, but you're not at a frat party or a den of sex slaves. Staff aren't going to appreciate you making a mess or bothering other customers.
Top girls aren't going to appreciate being groped & treated like sex toys or you asking them to bareback the first time you guys meet, etc. Besides, not cool to knock these girls up, spread shit around & ruin the fun for others.
Girls talk, so don't think that if the girl hasn't seen you or been with you that she doesn't know about you via her friends.
(A girl I took from Palace showed me her group LINE chat w/ other girls wherein they talk shit / give feedback about customers LIVE)
Ultimately, girls will be less likely to go with you if you have a bad rep / image.

**don't be cheap / stingy. But this doesn't mean flash / flex like an idiot. Spend where you SHOULD spend. Tip when it is appropriate.
Flex like an idiot and girls will just see you as an easy target for money. Spend too little and girls won't even bother with you.

**know what you want. Unless what you want is to fall in love... In which case, don't come LOL or else you'll be the one getting fucked the hardest.
While these girls might not be the most educated / book smart, they're queens at bullshitting. Keep your lies believable & be honest / direct with what you're after.

Between Bangkok & Pattaya, haven't been turned down by any girls. Doubt it's because of any one factor I've listed but rather a healthy balance of them all.
Won't guarantee you good service every time, as i've had my fair share of bad experiences... but will better your chances overall.

EXCEPT #174 at Palace. Who seemingly has also turned down everyone else on this board LOL. If anyone manages to get her. Share please.

Cheers you fuckers.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256387]1st trip to Pattaya
9 nights
Nov 16 - 25.[/QUOTE]Overall tips / advice for getting stunners (not exclusive to Pattaya).

*A few additional points I forgot to mention*.

**Whether you're physically attractive or not. How you present yourself still matters.
Dress like a bum & expect to be treated like one.
Don't try too hard or risk coming off as a weirdo or looking like a newbie.
Just keep your outfit clean & simple / appropriate.
Maintain basic grooming habits.
-brush your teeth (nobody likes bad breath).
-Shave your face if you can't confidently rock a beard. (scraggly hairs look gross).
-Smell nice. Don't have to wear cologne but at least don't be smelly. So shower before you go out.
-Want a good BJ? At least keep your shit trimmed & neat. (girls don't want to pick pubes out of their mouth or have your rough pubes roughing up their face).
-Nails, keep them trimmed. Nobody wants to feel like you're shanking them while fucking.

At the end of the day, these girls are going to have to walk out of the GoGo with you in front of all her friends, mamasans, customers, in-public, hotel, etc.
And for many customers, more likely than not, these girls would be out of your league if they weren't working girls. So try your best to bridge that gap haha.
Imagine. How would you like to be seen with a fat / ugly / unkempt looking girl with everybody knowing that you're about to fuck that monstrosity for money?

We're talking about stunners after all. You don't get to be the best by fucking the worst.

**Want a girl to give better service? TRY to turn her on / make her cum.
While lots of these girls are lesbians / into tomboys and won't be attracted to guys in general. Do you really expect to get good service if you just lie there and say "get to it"?
-assuming the girl is clean & is ok with it, don't hesitate to go down on her or at least start with a bit of foreplay to ease her into it.
Being a starfish goes both ways.
-don't want to go down on her? Bring some toys. No need to get crazy since not all girls are into kinky shit. But what girl wouldn't appreciate a bullet?
Always. If you can make the girl cum, you'll be better off than if you can't.
-if you like to fuck hard, first start slow until she seems comfortable. Otherwise you risk her trying to rush the session & get the fuck out ASAP.
What working girl wants you to immediately mount her like you're an aspiring bull rider?
-if you're into something specific. Ask first if she's cool with it.
EX: just like how you probably don't want her to stick her thumb in your ass w / o asking. The reverse is likely to be true too.
Hair pulling. Lots of girls wear hair extensions so don't fuck up by tearing her extensions out LOL! I'd imagine its a quick way to end a session.
Choking. Uhh she's being paid to fuck a stranger that might or might not be a psychopath serial killer. Don't scare them.

In general, just like with a regular girl. Chemistry doesn't just happen w / o at least some effort on your part.

#2 Cheers you fuckers.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256427]**Want a girl to give better service? TRY to turn her on / make her cum.[/QUOTE]This post was a joke out of fantasyland right? You are a 20 year old stud at the university. You want a 70 year old wrinkled up drunk bat with nice nails and nice clothes wearing the most expensive perfume trying to turn you on and make you cum, or do you want her to hurry and finish and get off of you so you can get your money and go hang out with people your own age?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256444]This post was a joke out of fantasyland right? You are a 20 year old stud at the university. You want a 70 year old wrinkled up drunk bat with nice nails and nice clothes wearing the most expensive perfume trying to turn you on and make you cum, or do you want her to hurry and finish and get off of you so you can get your money and go hang out with people your own age?[/QUOTE]OMG. You still have a lot to learn my friend.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256457]OMG. You still have a lot to learn my friend.[/QUOTE]I am just not a disillusioned monger. Show up without money and see how far those nice clothes get you with a 20 year old. I am only 46 right now. But maybe when I am 70 I will see the light and learn the lesson.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256459]I am just not a disillusioned monger. Show up without money and see how far those nice clothes get you with a 20 year old. I am only 46 right now. But maybe when I am 70 I will see the light and learn the lesson.[/QUOTE]Just because we pay them doesn't mean we cannot turn them on or make them cum. Of course it helps when you're still young and handsome but when you're old and ugly you can compensate that with your experience, tongue and fingers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256459]I am just not a disillusioned monger. Show up without money and see how far those nice clothes get you with a 20 year old. I am only 46 right now. But maybe when I am 70 I will see the light and learn the lesson.[/QUOTE]Are you suggesting hard core hookers never put out for free? Or go the extra mile for someone who treats them half decently?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2256469]Are you suggesting hard core hookers never put out for free? Or go the extra mile for someone who treats them half decently?[/QUOTE]No. I am merely putting myself in a 20 year old hooker's shoes. I guess if you were a 20 year old male hooker you would not be able to wait until the 70 year old chick that treats you half decent turns you on and makes you cum. And that session would be on the house!

Funny how the same guys talk about all the undesirable chicks in the bars and the gogos that they would not give the chance to treat them right, but all the sexy desirable chicks would be putty in their hands if they were to be treated decent. Go over and let one of those chicks you don't find so attractive to service you. Then you might see how the 20 year old sexy gogo chick really feels when she is treated decent. All the treated decent in the world will not make up for the ick factor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256444]This post was a joke out of fantasyland right? You are a 20 year old stud at the university. You want a 70 year old wrinkled up drunk bat with nice nails and nice clothes wearing the most expensive perfume trying to turn you on and make you cum, or do you want her to hurry and finish and get off of you so you can get your money and go hang out with people your own age?[/QUOTE]

Lets be honest. Doesn't matter how good looking the customer is. Most of these girls probably don't want to be banging random dudes all night.
But I'm the customer and I'm paying her for her time. I'm not going to hold her past our agreed upon time but I'm going to do what I can to make the time enjoyable. NOT for her sake. For mine.
If my attempt at bringing some level of enjoyment for her gives ME a far better experience. Then I'm going to do it.

lets be clear, I'm not talking about making a girlfriend cum because I love her oh so much... on that note, find me a working girl that WANTS to be treated like a hooker/sex object... and ill show you a girl with a few screws loose

and yea. i'm still young & relatively good looking so our perspective/experiences might be different.

if you read my post, i specifically said... there isn't 1 specific factor thats going to make you shine like a diamond. kempt nails... smelling nice... small factors. but whats the flip side? smelling bad with long curly nails? you want the girl to hold her breath while you're fucking her?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2256459]I am just not a disillusioned monger. Show up without money and see how far those nice clothes get you with a 20 year old. I am only 46 right now. But maybe when I am 70 I will see the light and learn the lesson.[/QUOTE]

per my post... i mentioned having money being "an obvious pre-requisite". my point is that you can't just show up with money & expect stunners falling all over your dick. unless you're Jeff Bezos and you're gonna retire them after 1 session lol


[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2256475]Funny how the same guys talk about all the undesirable chicks in the bars and the gogos that they would not give the chance to treat them right, but all the sexy desirable chicks would be putty in their hands if they were to be treated decent. Go over and let one of those chicks you don't find so attractive to service you. Then you might see how the 20 year old sexy gogo chick really feels when she is treated decent. All the treated decent in the world will not make up for the ick factor.[/QUOTE]

yea i've already tried. its like dating below your league.
4th night, cute girl from Whats Up gogo. Not my usual type, but she was "girl next door" cute.
Putty in my hands.... I could have gotten away with playing starfish/corpse. had to ask her to leave after 1st pop short time.

but that experience... was simply BORING. At my age, i still enjoy a challenge. Hence my post which was in regards to STUNNERS.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2256469]Are you suggesting hard core hookers never put out for free? Or go the extra mile for someone who treats them half decently?[/QUOTE]

i know you're comment wasn't directed at me, but since my post sparked it...
i'd never take a session for free. better to keep it transactional and avoid it becoming anything more than services rendered.
prepared to pay because I have the cash to pay & find no pleasure in leaving expectations up for interpretation

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256475]No. I am merely putting myself in a 20 year old hooker's shoes.

All the treated decent in the world will not make up for the ick factor.[/QUOTE]I just don't see the difference between being "ick" because of age, looks or behaviour. Girl's react to guys based upon their preferences across all of them.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256489]
i know you're comment wasn't directed at me, but since my post sparked it...
i'd never take a session for free. better to keep it transactional and avoid it becoming anything more than services rendered.
prepared to pay because I have the cash to pay & find no pleasure in leaving expectations up for interpretation[/QUOTE]Dude, you don't know what you're missing out on. Ain't nothing better than a skilled provider doing her thing because she wants to be there, no strings attached. 😁.

More seriously, there sure are benefits of keeping things transactional. Certainly if you don't need any more complications in your life. If a punter is not careful, "Freebies" can be incredibly expensive.

Enjoy, G.

[QUOTE=Phazze93]Top girls aren't going to appreciate being groped & treated like sex toys or you asking them to bareback the first time you guys meet, etc. Besides, not cool to knock these girls up, spread shit around & ruin the fun for others. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. Can we assume from that passage that you never engaged in any "uncool" activity with those top girls?

Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256525]Thanks for the report. Can we assume from that passage that you never engaged in any "uncool" activity with those top girls?[/QUOTE]Such as openly groping them in the bar? Never.

Not unless the girl is super aggressive & insists on it. IE: grinding / dancing on me. But the "top" girls I usually go for don't behave like that anyways. They simply don't need to... since they could be standing still and every guy would still be drooling
At the very most I'll keep any physical contact casual / minimal to at least express interest & not give off the wrong impression of being disinterested.
It really just doesn't arouse/do much for me to do anything right then and there. i like the first titty grab to be when she's full naked in my bed & the first ass grab when she's about to ride me cowgirl.

In the gogos, I'm usually more focused on screening the girl to gauge personality, chemistry, whether or not she'll be good in bed, etc.
My eyes are enough to determine whether a girl has a firm ass, nice tits, flat stomach, etc. I mean. They're practically dancing naked anyways.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

depends on what you're looking for. i think BKK is better for finding regular girls.. i mean its a bigger city after all not just a sex destination.
no smooci in pattaya yet, but i'm personally not a fan of calling girls online when you can see them in person.
plenty of SW in pattaya
no personal experience with BJ bars.
you don't HAVE to drink beer at gogos, you can get soda, water, seltzer water, etc.
yea the music in gogos is mostly shit.

presumably you're older - so i will say, if you go into top gogos, there are going to be a whole lot of young guys there you're competing with... just being honest.
seems like soi 6 would be a spot you'd enjoy. only 1 way to find out :)

[QUOTE=Goferring;2256515]Dude, you don't know what you're missing out on. Ain't nothing better than a skilled provider doing her thing because she wants to be there, no strings attached. 😁.

More seriously, there sure are benefits of keeping things transactional. Certainly if you don't need any more complications in your life. If a punter is not careful, "Freebies" can be incredibly expensive.

Enjoy, G.[/QUOTE]

i've honestly never been offered freebies. except maybe once?... but i paid for it in other ways... took a stunner in BKK out during the day for a nice lunch & a movie. it was one of those premium theaters w/ daybeds. ;) ye we fucked in the theater. movie was dogshit (murder on the orient express). thank god i imagined the scenario and brought a condom with me

but i have had working girls make attempts at being "girlfriends" to which i usually make it very clear that i'm not looking for a girlfriend.
just friends is ok... but then again, what is there to talk about with these girls? really not much. language barrier is already a pain in the ass as it is.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256736]Such as openly groping them in the bar? Never.

Not unless the girl is super aggressive & insists on it. IE: grinding / dancing on me. But the "top" girls I usually go for don't behave like that anyways. They simply don't need to... since they could be standing still and every guy would still be drooling
At the very most I'll keep any physical contact casual / minimal to at least express interest & not give off the wrong impression of being disinterested.
It really just doesn't arouse/do much for me to do anything right then and there. i like the first titty grab to be when she's full naked in my bed & the first ass grab when she's about to ride me cowgirl.

In the gogos, I'm usually more focused on screening the girl to gauge personality, chemistry, whether or not she'll be good in bed, etc.
My eyes are enough to determine whether a girl has a firm ass, nice tits, flat stomach, etc. I mean. They're practically dancing naked anyways.
[/QUOTE]Well, no, that wasn't really the "uncool" part that I was asking about or what you could have meant when you said "Besides, not cool to knock these girls up, spread shit around & ruin the fun for others", right? I don't believe girls are getting knocked up or anyone risks those other things if they are openly groped in the bar. But if you'd rather not answer my question, no problem, of course.

As luck would have it, I took a non pro Bkk girl I met on one of the dating sites to Pattaya this past weekend because she had a rare three days off from her regular job as a barista in one of those coffee and pastry shops and she likes hanging around the beach. BTW, for a casual, family-friendly, touristy but kind of nice afternoon with a girl during the day in Pattaya, check out the Pattaya Floating Market "theme park". It is a two separate baht-bus transport and about a 25 minute ride from Walking Street. Yes, it is very touristy, but kind of fun for a daytime "date" if you pop for the longboat ride, the goofy photo of you and her in traditional Thai garb and the very short zip line ride over the river. That's about 800 baht per person and you also get front-of-the-line entry to the rides. Comes in handy when the big tour buses full of Chinese and Japanese arrive, which they did while we were there. Otherwise, 100 baht gets you in for a walk around and that would be fine for most curiosity seekers or bored vacationers in Pattaya. Tons of food options to sample.

Anyway, over this weekend we passed by Palace quite often and at night I saw several of their girls sitting on stools outside the bar wearing cocktail type dresses. We didn't go inside but I have been in that bar before. Saturday early evening we sat at the ice cream shop next to Panda and watched many of their girls entering in street clothes before 9 PM. Have to say, in neither case did I see girls notably "hotter" than some of the girls who stand at the top of the escalator in Nana Plaza beckoning you into one of those Mandarin Go-Go bars. And those Nana Plaza girls are standing up and wearing bikinis rather than sitting on stools and wearing dresses. I suppose the real knock out stunners at Palace and Panda are inside the bars much earlier than when we were taking note of the arrivals and their door girls.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]My take: The few really good-looking girls in Pattaya are so rare and practically unseen by anyone who does not go into the 3-4 specific bars on Walking Street to find, woo, cajole, entertain, overpay and audition for them, their presence does nothing to either improve or maintain the standard of looks (and quality of service) for every other P4P girl in town. That is an element not talked about here really; the trickle down effect when there are tons more very hot girls in the P4P scene, as is the case in Bangkok but not really the case in Pattaya.

In such a more abundant hot girl environment, all the other levels of girls, the above average girls, the average girls and even the slightly below average girls have to up their game in some respect in order to believably compete with or at least respond to the influence of those top tier girls. Even if a punter does not proactively pursue "top girl stunners" in Bangkok, as I rarely do, the fact is in Bangkok the above average girls have to actually be better looking and must be prepared to offer something better than basic standard fare because there is every reason for them to believe a reasonably well presented 65 year old white guy has actually seen and is as likely to score one of the better looking girls as anyone else.

Not so in Pattaya. In Pattaya, there does not appear to be any easily observable top end standard which all other levels must acknowledge and respond to that is high enough to lift the standards of the girls who are not among the handful of "top" girls apparently found in 3-4 Walking Street go-go bars. Therefore, the above average girl in Pattaya can get away with being barely acceptable to many Bangkok punters who are generally happy with the looks and quality of service offered by that level of girl in Bangkok. Mind you, I'm not just talking about looks, but also about demeanor and quality of service offered or agreed to. The girls who presumably could be considered average for Pattaya are, imo, not acceptable under most circumstances.

And there are some girls who feel perfectly at home working the streets right next to the main farang red light areas of Pattaya who are a horror show. Women who would be considered below average Pattaya girls I guess. It is extremely rare that you would see working women quite that old and sad within visible proximity of Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy or even Patpong. They wouldn't even bother showing up, it would be too humiliating for them and they couldn't earn enough to feed themselves.

YMMV, of course.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There is a definite difference between Pattaya and Bangkok. I have been to both and I prefer Pattaya. We are all different and what I like about Pattaya above Bangkok is the ease of doing business. You can get anything you want between Soi 16 and Soi 1 with Baht buses running around the circuit for 24 hours. Some guys claim that the talent pool in Bangkok is superior and I do not think I'm qualified to make any different claims but everyone has different views on beauty anyhow. Like yourself I am an older guy, late 50's, but I only get away 1 to 2 times a year so I don't let shit music or excessive cigarette smoke put me off. I have scored some great online hook-ups in Pattaya and I have found some great girls in some of the beer bars too. What I like about the gogos in Pattaya is that most are hands on and I know if I am buying drinks the girls are more then accommodating for some light hearted man handling. I think the prices are better in Pattaya.

The only thing to do is to book a couple of days in Pattaya and if it is suited to you stay longer or if you do not like cut your loses and return to Bangkok. When you say summer are you in the northern or southern hemisphere? The weather now is good compared to the wet season which coincides with the northern summer.

Rob.

I was at a bar on Second Road the other day that a chick I know works at. There was another chick there that appeared to be a FL. She was damn hot. I was sitting next to her. I looked at her nails. They were pretty nice. She went on talking about how they are real. I pointed at her chest and said but them titties ain't real!

She was drinking a beer and I asked her why she is not drinking whiskey. She said the doctor said she can not drink whiskey. Then I was like a deer in headlights. I picked up her pack of cigarettes and said what do these doctors say right here? Then I said there is even a picture. She snatched the box from me saying cover up that picture. Never a dull moment.

I was walking down Soi Yamato and Soi Post Office the other day. I ran into a young chick that said she works at a bar up the street but was going to get food. I told her to come see me when she finished work. I said give me your phone so I can add my Line. She gave me her phone and just then this Indian guy sent a message saying how cute she is. I said this guy must really like you. She said it was a guy that is going to give her 2000 baht for Short Time later on. I said that is good. When you finish with him, you come see me and I will give you 500 for Long Time. She said I never go for 500. I said okay. I will make it 1000 then. She said okay I will send you message.

I got a massage and at 10 pm was heading home. I passed a bar on Soi Lengkee that had some nice chicks in it. They yelled out in usual fashion and I turned around and parked. I sat down and shot the shit. The mamasan was a cutie and I told her to bring me a Sangsom with ice and lime. I asked her where all these cuties were from. She said they are from all over in different villages. She pointed out the girls and told me which place each was from (Anybody know the difference between a city and a village? She said one of the girls is from her city, Korat, but they are from different villages.).

A young Korean guy came in and my favorite cutie followed him in. I said oh that is her boyfriend huh? She said no. That same guy comes in every night at the same time and buys drinks and plays pool with her.

I asked about the bar fine and she asked for which girl. I said I don't know. Aren't they all the same? She said 300 for Short Time and 500 for Long Time. Then I don't know how the prices of girls came up, but she was like nobody goes for less than 2000. I said damn that is expensive. She said they can go Short Time for 1000, but they have to be back in 1 hour. She pointed around telling me the chicks' ages.

I was tired as a mf. The mamasan kept massaging me and I eventually fell asleep. I woke up and said let me take my ass home. I paid my bill of 50 baht and went to get on my bike. The mamasan jumped on the back of my bike and told the girls she was leaving. I said I am going for real. She said go. I brought her back at 10 the next morning. No money.

She said the girls stay upstairs at the bar. There are no short time rooms, they just live up there. They are paid 5,000 baht per month. All they have to do is wake up and put on a dress and look pretty (her words). She buys the food. She wakes up and cooks rice and meat for them about 12. At 3 they start working. She also said that if a girl comes in from being with a guy all night and looks like she has not had any rest, then she makes her pay 500 to barfine herself and go get upstairs to get some sleep. She said that every bar pretty much works this same way.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256525]Thanks for the report. Can we assume from that passage that you never engaged in any "uncool" activity with those top girls?[/QUOTE]If you mean fucking the top girls raw dog and inseminating them with my trouser-snake venom, then guilty as charged on multiple counts. LOL! Still, I do not see how that ruins anyone else's fun.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Based on my limited experience, Pattaya has a different look and feel from Bangkok, you might like it. Book Pattaya for 2 or 3 days early in your trip and leave yourself some flexibility in case you want to stay longer. As others have said, you might like Soi 6, which was my favorite part.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.[/QUOTE]Do you think more reports will convince you? There will always be lovers and haters of Pattaya and people who are in between. You really have to go there yourself to find out to which group you belong.
I belong to the 'in between' group. Pattaya has declined over the years (but so has Bangkok and other monger destinations) but is still worth going to IMO.

Just ignore the over the top positive reports (from for example Monkeypaw) and negative reports (from for example EihTooms). They are exxagerated most of the time.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256902]

Just ignore the over the top positive reports (from for example Monkeypaw) and negative reports (from for example EihTooms). They are exxagerated most of the time.[/QUOTE]Where did you think I exaggerated so much (over the top?) in my reply to Penguin69's question that you think he ought to just ignore it?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256760]Well, no, that wasn't really the "uncool" part that I was asking about or what you could have meant when you said "Besides, not cool to knock these girls up, spread shit around & ruin the fun for others", right? I don't believe girls are getting knocked up or anyone risks those other things if they are openly groped in the bar. But if you'd rather not answer my question, no problem, of course.
[/QUOTE]Oh didn't realize that's what you meant.

No, I haven't done any of those things. IE: knock girls up, spread shit, etc.

In my original post, I only brought that up in regards to top gogo girls not appreciating guys asking to bareback on their first session.
In general, I don't think its cool to bareback working girls. Not unless there is some serious trust between both parties.

At the end of the day, when going bareback, girl has a lot more at risk than the guy. She's already likely less financially stable than the monger, at risk of having a kid & potentially having to raise it herself, and stds? Whereas the guy only has to worry about stds.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256908]Where did you think I exaggerated so much (over the top?) in my reply to Penguin69's question that you think he ought to just ignore it?[/QUOTE]Uhm... in the entire post?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256912]Uhm... in the entire post?[/QUOTE]Silly answer. And a dodge.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256911]Oh didn't realize that's what you meant.

No, I haven't done any of those things. IE: knock girls up, spread shit, etc.

In my original post, I only brought that up in regards to top gogo girls not appreciating guys asking to bareback on their first session.
In general, I don't think its cool to bareback working girls. Not unless there is some serious trust between both parties.

At the end of the day, when going bareback, girl has a lot more at risk than the guy. She's already likely less financially stable than the monger, at risk of having a kid & potentially having to raise it herself, and stds? Whereas the guy only has to worry about stds.[/QUOTE]No, I wasn't asking if you knocked up the girls, spread shit, etc. either. LOL. But I think you answered my question anyway. Thanks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256914]Silly answer. And a dodge.[/QUOTE]I'm not dodging anything. The entire post is extremely negative. It's your one hundredth rant about Pattaya being a shit hole and that there are hardly any attractive girls there. We got that the first time already.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256928]I'm not dodging anything. The entire post is extremely negative. It's your one hundredth rant about Pattaya being a shit hole and that there are hardly any attractive girls there. We got that the first time already.[/QUOTE]That is an over the top exaggeration of what is actually stated in my post. I recommend anyone but the middle of the road uncommitted to any position on the issue to ignore what you posted here.

Actually, I did not tell Penquin69 that the place was a "shit hole". Did you even read my reply to him? If anything, I merely reinforced and confirmed what Phazze63 had to say about the relative rarity of very good looking girls in Pattaya. So rare that even he could only cite 5 go-go bars on Walking Street as locations where some might be found. Pretty much what I had to say about it too. He did not even find one girl worth spending his P4P time with in any of the other non go-go bar venues and those are the ones Penguin69 is most curious about! The only way I took my assessment of the destination further than he did was in giving my opinion why the various levels of P4P girls below "top stunners" stay lower in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

Is Phazze63 an over the top exaggerated negative Pattaya poster, too?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256915]No, I wasn't asking if you knocked up the girls, spread shit, etc. either. LOL. But I think you answered my question anyway. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

lol care to clarify then?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256930] If anything, I merely reinforced and confirmed what Phazze63 had to say about the relative rarity of very good looking girls in Pattaya. So rare that even he could only cite 5 go-go bars on Walking Street as locations where some might be found. Pretty much what I had to say about it too. He did not even find one girl worth spending his P4P time with in any of the other non go-go bar venues and those are the ones Penguin69 is most curious about! The only way I took my assessment of the destination further than he did was in giving my opinion why the various levels of P4P girls below "top stunners" stay lower in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

Is Phazze63 an over the top exaggerated negative Pattaya poster, too?[/QUOTE]

I can't speak for other mongers, but I am very particular. I will say, there were plenty of good looking girls... but I was & will always be after a very specific classification of stunner.
that being said, i generally wouldn't be shocked if there were more top 1% stunners in bangkok than in pattaya. Bkk is a cool big city after all. like comparing New Jersey and New York City.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256930]That is an over the top exaggeration of what is actually stated in my post. I recommend anyone but the middle of the road uncommitted to any position on the issue to ignore what you posted here.

Actually, I did not tell Penquin69 that the place was a "shit hole". Did you even read my reply to him? If anything, I merely reinforced and confirmed what Phazze63 had to say about the relative rarity of very good looking girls in Pattaya. So rare that even he could only cite 5 go-go bars on Walking Street as locations where some might be found. Pretty much what I had to say about it too. He did not even find one girl worth spending his P4P time with in any of the other non go-go bar venues and those are the ones Penguin69 is most curious about! The only way I took my assessment of the destination further than he did was in giving my opinion why the various levels of P4P girls below "top stunners" stay lower in Pattaya than in Bangkok.

Is Phazze63 an over the top exaggerated negative Pattaya poster, too?[/QUOTE]No, Phazze93's posts about Pattaya are more 'balanced' with both positive and negative remarks. Yours always seem to be very negative which is getting annoying if you ask me.

And Phazze93 didn't say there are only 5 gogo-bars where you can find good looking girls. He only said those 5 bars were his favorites.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256936]
that being said, i generally wouldn't be shocked if there were more top 1% stunners in bangkok than in pattaya. Bkk is a cool big city after all. like comparing New Jersey and New York City.[/QUOTE]I agree. Comparing BKK and Pattaya is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. BKK has around 14 million inhabitants versus Pattaya around 100.000.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Spent a week in Pattaya recently. Decided to skip the WS go-go bars all together this time and focus on the LK Metro area. I think if you are a middle aged western guy this area really will provide what you need. I took 4 girls from the Billabong bar. Ladys here are around 30 years or above, but some of them are quite pretty, 3-4 of them at least. A very nice experience with all of them. Paid around 2500 bath for the whole night. One of them stayed with me all of next day. These are freelancer and wear a "badge" so you know they are not service girls. 300 bath barfine to the bar. Had one girl from Thai Friendly; very pretty girl, a bit of a fashion queen. Said she received 25-50 requests for sex every day. So I guess I felt lucky. Her performance was so-so and I was happy when she left after 2 hours. Paid her only 1000 bath and she was happy! A bit ting-tong girl actually. Also had 2 girls from LK Metro bars. Went there late around 2:30 AM and agreed to meet them after the go-go close at 3:00 AM. No problem and nice girls, GFE and good performance. I paid them 3000 I think. All night. A good advice also mentioned by some of the youtube vloggers; set your expectations low when in Pattaya. Then you might be surprised what you find! Forget about the top end girls in the top end WS go-go's if you are not wealthy or Korean; much better service will be given by less attractive but still sexy girls and in other areas. So, all in all LK Metro area provided with me with a good result this time. Much better than chasing the WS topend girls. In addition LK Metro / Soi Bukaow area have some really cool bars now. The area is thriving!

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2256618]Looking at a second trip in summer.

Previously experienced Bangkok and had some good-to-great experiences with mainly hookups on wechat, smooci, and SWs, BJ bars etc. I'm not really a gogo bar guy but I can see appeal: I'm not so young and can do without the shite music etc. Also, I fear I'd let beer affect performance. This said, does Pattaya have anything for me that I can't find in BKK? I realise it's by the sea but I wouldn't really need beaches and sea. Are lower average prices worth going for? Have read loads of reports of both places but I'm not convinced it's worth my while after what I've experienced in BKK.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Pattaya has a greater volume of women and areas / establishments in close proximity. You will spend far less time commuting and you will see far more available women each day. This makes things very convenient. There is also an unequaled sexual energy in Pattaya that I can't begin to describe. For someone who likes areas of the world such as this, it's a must see, must experience location. In my opinion there is no where like it in the world. It's only a 109 baht bus ride from Bangkok and you'll be there in 2 hours.

Also If you don't like gogos and aren't a drinker that won't be a problem in Pattaya. There are 100's of establishments that aren't gogos. There are countless beer bars, regular bars, lounge bars, massage parlors and a multitude of freelancers that you can invite to spend time with you and skip the bar scene altogether. I will often order juice or soda as I like to go for long periods without drinking. When you buy ladydrinks most of the girls order soda anyway, so it won't seem unusual to them.

I'm not saying it's better than Bangkok. To each their own. I have a great time in Bangkok and there is far more to do and see there outside of chasing women. The food is also far superior in Bangkok and cheaper and the women tend to dress classier, which I like.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256936]lol care to clarify then?
[/QUOTE]I was only asking if you ever did engage in bareback (BBFS+CIP) with those top quality girls.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2256938]No, Phazze93's posts about Pattaya are more 'balanced' with both positive and negative remarks. Yours always seem to be very negative which is getting annoying if you ask me.

And Phazze93 didn't say there are only 5 gogo-bars where you can find good looking girls. He only said those 5 bars were his favorites.[/QUOTE]Phazze93's bottom line assessment of Pattaya as a mongering destination is virtually identical to what I have been saying about it;

- That there are a small number of top (looking) girls in a small group of WS go-go bars if you care to search them out, leap through flaming hoops and pay dearly to take your chances with them. Otherwise, he had no interest in pulling girls from any other venue options in town. He apparently only pulled one girl from a go-go bar outside that small group of WS go-go bars and seemed to me to have been so bored by the experience he will likely not do it again any time soon. Unless the top (looking) girls move to other bars.

In many ways, Phazze93's bottom line conclusions about Pattaya as a mongering destination are more negative than mine. I actually allowed that the above average P4P girls in Pattaya would be "barely" acceptable to someone who is fine taking that level of girl in Bangkok. He took NONE who were not either from the pool of top (looking) girls in those particular WS go-go bars and one relatively close to them. NONE from any other venue option where those above average P4P girls work.

The only difference between his conclusions and what I have been saying about it is I have given what I believe are some of the reasons the girls below the top (looking) girls are inferior to that same level of girl in Bangkok. And I am not talking about just looks. I have done that because I believe the problem is systemic and not just a bad week in Pattaya and it will be better next week. It won't. The real world conditions there are simply not conducive to drawing more than a very few top (looking) Thai girls to the destination to service Pattaya's customers. And those girls aren't going to touch Pattaya's typical customer with a barge pole.

There was only one small question I had of Phazzee93 that, had it been answered very differently, might have been a case where my stated opinion of the place FOR ME ought to be reconsidered. And, frankly, so far he has not answered it any different than I would have predicted and already have assessed about the place.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256936]-snip-

I can't speak for other mongers, but I am very particular. I will say, there were plenty of good looking girls... but I was & will always be after a very specific classification of stunner.
that being said, i generally wouldn't be shocked if there were more top 1% stunners in bangkok than in pattaya. Bkk is a cool big city after all. like comparing New Jersey and New York City.[/QUOTE]I am very particular too, but not exclusively about the girls' looks. Not saying that is what you mean. But it does sound that way. I am generally interested in girls of a certain minimum (or higher) level of attractiveness or cuteness, does not have to be a top 1% stunner but above average at least, who will provide me with what I consider a True GFE. Demeanor counts for a lot as well. In terms of actual sexual services, that is basically either a genuine BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That is where my being very particular comes in. If neither of those activities are in the mix, a top looking stunner is of no more interest to me in my room than a lovely potted plant.

Plenty of good looking girls? Other than the top (looking) girls who mostly work in those particular WS go-go bars and are otherwise almost non-existent in the eyes of anyone who does not frequent those bars, I can't say what passes for above average in Pattaya is anywhere close to what passes for that level of girl in Bangkok. Not in their level of looks or, in my experience, their quality of service. And I honestly believe there is a systemic reason for that and not a matter of random chance. Above average girls (for Pattaya) don't need to be as good looking or provide as competitive a quality of service as their Bangkok counterparts to get by and fit in with the typical Pattaya customer demographic.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257068]I am very particular too, but not exclusively about the girls' looks. Not saying that is what you mean. But it does sound that way. I am generally interested in girls of a certain minimum (or higher) level of attractiveness or cuteness, does not have to be a top 1% stunner but above average at least, who will provide me with what I consider a True GFE. Demeanor counts for a lot as well. In terms of actual sexual services, that is basically either a genuine BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That is where my being very particular comes in. If neither of those activities are in the mix, a top looking stunner is of no more interest to me in my room than a lovely potted plant.

Plenty of good looking girls? Other than the top (looking) girls who mostly work in those particular WS go-go bars and are otherwise almost non-existent in the eyes of anyone who does not frequent those bars, I can't say what passes for above average in Pattaya is anywhere close to what passes for that level of girl in Bangkok. Not in their level of looks or, in my experience, their quality of service. And I honestly believe there is a systemic reason for that and not a matter of random chance. Above average girls (for Pattaya) don't need to be as good looking or provide as competitive a quality of service as their Bangkok counterparts to get by and fit in with the typical Pattaya customer demographic.[/QUOTE]I am at the other end of the spectrum I guess, there are times I walk into a bar and know that every girl for me is fuckable. Then there's times I go into a bar and know right off the bat its crap. So I do have some sort of minimum standards somewhere. I once took a drunk gogo girl who knew me from Sapphire who was pissed I never bought her a drink, met her at another gogo so there was no barfine and I thought to myself "I've never taken a drunk girl back to my room" and just went with it. Did her five times that night and gave her 2 k in the morning. Worth every penny.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257049]He apparently only pulled one girl from a go-go bar outside that small group of WS go-go bars and seemed to me to have been so bored by the experience he will likely not do it again any time soon. Unless the top (looking) girls move to other bars.

In many ways, Phazze93's bottom line conclusions about Pattaya as a mongering destination are more negative than mine. I actually allowed that the above average P4P girls in Pattaya would be "barely" acceptable to someone who is fine taking that level of girl in Bangkok. He took NONE who were not either from the pool of top (looking) girls in those particular WS go-go bars and one relatively close to them. NONE from any other venue option where those above average P4P girls work.[/QUOTE]

I took a few non-top girls from Palace, my 1st two nights. 1st one was a bust, 2nd was a good performer.
But to be honest, both girls were beneath me in terms of looks. Comparable to dating beneath you & these are girls aren't so dumb where they don't notice.
Especially considering they both asked me the same question the moment we got back to me room - "why did you pick me?" to which I responded "because I think you are one of the prettiest girls at palace".

I lied. And I think they could tell I was bullshitting. In my case, I've always found it a better experience when the girl believes she's on par in looks or above/higher
Otherwise, I feel like you'll either end up with a girl who knows you're bullshitting & won't come back for here again. In which case she doesn't try that hard.
OR you get a girl who, regardless of being aware of your bullshit. Tries really hard to please you in hopes of getting more from you in which case it turns out a bit boring like the girl I pulled from Whats Up.

Though I could be generalizing a bit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257042]I was only asking if you ever did engage in bareback (BBFS+CIP) with those top quality girls.[/QUOTE]

Oh, no. Never have.
1 - don't want to risk catching anything & possibly then spreading something.
2 - don't want to risk knocking a girl up. ID feel bad, not the type of guy to just let the girl deal with a kid on their own. Whether the girl is a hooker or non-pro.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257068]I am very particular too, but not exclusively about the girls' looks. Not saying that is what you mean. But it does sound that way. I am generally interested in girls of a certain minimum (or higher) level of attractiveness or cuteness, does not have to be a top 1% stunner but above average at least, who will provide me with what I consider a True GFE. Demeanor counts for a lot as well. In terms of actual sexual services, that is basically either a genuine BBBJ+CIM or BBFS+CIP. That is where my being very particular comes in. If neither of those activities are in the mix, a top looking stunner is of no more interest to me in my room than a lovely potted plant.

Plenty of good looking girls? Other than the top (looking) girls who mostly work in those particular WS go-go bars and are otherwise almost non-existent in the eyes of anyone who does not frequent those bars, I can't say what passes for above average in Pattaya is anywhere close to what passes for that level of girl in Bangkok. Not in their level of looks or, in my experience, their quality of service. And I honestly believe there is a systemic reason for that and not a matter of random chance. Above average girls (for Pattaya) don't need to be as good looking or provide as competitive a quality of service as their Bangkok counterparts to get by and fit in with the typical Pattaya customer demographic.[/QUOTE]

No you're right and I agree. Its not just looks. What good is looks if she's not into it or isn't at least open to the possibility of having a decent time with a customer? But I never do BBFS + CIP. I think I might consider it if my stays were longer & I could build some kind of understanding / trust with a girl. THAT and she would have to be on birth control.

What I meant by "plenty of good looking girls" is. There are plenty that I would fuck & be fine with. But I don't go for just "fine" nor do I stay long enough to where I'm ok with accepting "fine".

[QUOTE=Breadman;2257111]I am at the other end of the spectrum I guess, there are times I walk into a bar and know that every girl for me is fuckable. Then there's times I go into a bar and know right off the bat its crap. So I do have some sort of minimum standards somewhere. I once took a drunk gogo girl who knew me from Sapphire who was pissed I never bought her a drink, met her at another gogo so there was no barfine and I thought to myself "I've never taken a drunk girl back to my room" and just went with it. Did her five times that night and gave her 2 k in the morning. Worth every penny.[/QUOTE]My point to EihTooms, yea there are a good amount of "fuckable" girls but only a handful that I'd classify as true stunners. Power to you for being able to fuck 5 times in a night lol.

I think I cap out at 3? Though each of my rounds are extended in time so by the 3rd round, I'm exhausted physically and my dick is sore hah.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257310]Otherwise, I feel like you'll either end up with a girl who knows you're bullshitting & won't come back for here again. In which case she doesn't try that hard.[/QUOTE]Are most guys going back for the same chick like that? Most of the time when I fuck the same chick then it is because I fucked up and didn't remember fucking her until she brings it up later.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257315]Are most guys going back for the same chick like that? Most of the time when I fuck the same chick then it is because I fucked up and didn't remember fucking her until she brings it up later.[/QUOTE]I have heard from a reliable source some guys have gone back to the same girl 5 times. He hasn't mentioned it in any of his post. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257315]Are most guys going back for the same chick like that? Most of the time when I fuck the same chick then it is because I fucked up and didn't remember fucking her until she brings it up later.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RobJones;2257322]I have heard from a reliable source some guys have gone back to the same girl 5 times. He hasn't mentioned it in any of his post. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Yea I've gone back for the same girl multiple times on more than 1 occasion. Just depends on the girl. Looks / attractiveness, chemistry, etc.
Really not sure what the big deal about that is lol. Telling me to not fuck the same girl multiple times is like me telling you which girl you should be attracted to.
Is there really a "right way" to monger? Or better to just do whatever the fuck you want, whenever the fuck you want, w/ whoever the fuck you want so long as thats what satisfies you?
Or perhaps the stigma stems from mongers not being able to flex their e-peen w/ other mongers on how many hookers they've been able to pay to fuck them? lol please.

Personally, i'd rather fuck a 10 five times, than fuck five different 7's. That is unless I find myself surrounded by multiple 10's in which case i'd be more motivated to mix it up. Thats just me.
But hey, if fucking a different 7/average looking girl every night is you're thing, go for it. The fuck do I care lol.

If I only wanted to fuck different 7's all the time, I'd just stay at home in the US. But I monger so I can fuck 10's w/o any expectations/no strings attached from the girl - which is easier said than done w/ non-pros.
(Also less effort/work involved)

But on that note, what girl wouldn't want a handful of steady / consistent customers as opposed to fucking a new random stranger every night?

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257310]-snip-

Oh, no. Never have.
1 - don't want to risk catching anything & possibly then spreading something.
2 - don't want to risk knocking a girl up. ID feel bad, not the type of guy to just let the girl deal with a kid on their own. Whether the girl is a hooker or non-pro.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply on that. In my case, I just can't finish wearing a condom, never could even when I was your age. Now I am 65! And, to make things even more impossible, I am fairly steeped in BBFS+CIP with good looking/cute (to my taste) Thai girls in their 20's and early 30's so it is just never going to happen that I will now slip on a condom and feel horny for whatever is in front of me. I doubt you have been reading my posts much, but my way of trying to be safer under those circumstances is I got a vasectomy many years ago and I always have a recent, within 1-2 months, blood check document from a reliable clinic re HIV and 1-2 other STDs. Yes, I realize that will only tell me so much up to a few weeks or couple of months prior to the date of my blood test. But it is better than nothing. And it turns out I have been barebacking for about 46 years, thousands of different women from around the world, mostly P4P of course, and have not produced an unwanted pregnancy or gotten sick from sex in my life except for a dose of easily treatable trichomonas from a university girlfriend when I was 19. Therefore, I have also never made a girl sick from sex. lol. At least not in the transmission of disease sense. For whatever that is worth.

[QUOTE=Phazze63]No you're right and I agree. Its not just looks. What good is looks if she's not into it or isn't at least open to the possibility of having a decent time with a customer? But I never do BBFS + CIP. I think I might consider it if my stays were longer & I could build some kind of understanding / trust with a girl. THAT and she would have to be on birth control.[/QUOTE]Ah, there is another systemic issue about Pattaya that works against me. As transient as it can be for punters in Bangkok, the girls in Pattaya have every reason to believe the punters they encounter are even more transient. For most punters, Pattaya is a side trip within perhaps a longer but often also a side trip to Bangkok/Thailand. And the girls know it. Not only does that enable them to be more mischievous with our time and money, but that means the concept of me possibly establishing more of an ongoing repeat customer relationship with them is nil. At least I live in Bangkok and when I take the girls to my room in Bangkok, it is abundantly clear to them that I am here to stay and would be a rather nice repeat customer catch if I do say so myself. That certainly helps with regard to my BBFS+CIP requirement and often my BBBJ+CIM option requirement as well.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257350]Thanks for your reply on that. In my case, I just can't finish wearing a condom, never could even when I was your age. Now I am 65! And, to make things even more impossible, I am fairly steeped in BBFS+CIP with good looking/cute (to my taste) Thai girls in their 20's and early 30's so it is just never going to happen that I will now slip on a condom and feel horny for whatever is in front of me. I doubt you have been reading my posts much, but my way of trying to be safer under those circumstances is I got a vasectomy many years ago and I always have a recent, within 1-2 months, blood check document from a reliable clinic re HIV and 1-2 other STDs. Yes, I realize that will only tell me so much up to a few weeks or couple of months prior to the date of my blood test. But it is better than nothing. And it turns out I have been barebacking for about 46 years, thousands of different women from around the world, mostly P4P of course, and have not produced an unwanted pregnancy or gotten sick from sex myself so have also never made a girl sick from sex. lol. At least not in the transmission of disease sense. For whatever that is worth.

Ah, there is another systemic issue about Pattaya that works against me. As transient as it can be for punters in Bangkok, the girls in Pattaya have every reason to believe the punters they encounter are even more transient. For most punters, Pattaya is a side trip within perhaps a longer but often also a side trip to Bangkok / Thailand. And the girls know it. Not only does that enable them to be more mischievous with our time and money, but that means the concept of me possibly establishing more of an ongoing repeat customer relationship with them is nil. At least I live in Bangkok and when I take the girls to my room in Bangkok, it is abundantly clear to them that I am here to stay and would be a rather nice repeat customer catch if I do say so myself. That certainly helps with regard to my BBFS+CIP requirement and often my BBBJ+CIM option requirement as well.[/QUOTE]A vasectomy definitely helps lol, I'll probably do the same somewhere down the road. Still a bit early for me now. And agreed regarding pattaya girls impression of punters potential for being long term customers. Not really much I can say except that I travel to Bangkok for work and I come to pattaya after work lol.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2256880][quote=EihTooms]
Thanks for the report. Can we assume from that passage that you never engaged in any "uncool" activity with those top girls?[/quote]

If you mean fucking the top girls raw dog and inseminating them with my trouser-snake venom, then guilty as charged on multiple counts. LOL! Still, I do not see how that ruins anyone else's fun.[/QUOTE]Ah, I have not ignored or forgotten about your reply to me, Mr. Monger. I just wanted to give Phazze63 a chance to reply first. Also, I didn't know if you were being a bit funny the way you do sometimes in the Philippines/Angeles City threads. And I do think you are often VERY funny in your posts. I mean that in the best way.

So, DO tell. Is there any more insight you can give us about this? Are you talking about the same 4-5 go-go bars on WS in Pattaya as have been mentioned for attracting the top best looking girls in the city? What was your game to accomplish that goal other than your innate charm and striking good looks? Are you also young, fit and Asian? Please share what you are comfortable sharing.

You know, depending on the answers about this issue in general, I just might go down there and give those good looking, fit, 20-something year old Asian punters in those places some competition sometime. I mean, maybe I should if it turns out there are many more times when such a True GFE can be had with those girls that a whole bunch of other punters are just not into taking advantage of anyway. Why not give those girls a chance to say "no" to me as well as the golden opportunity to say "YES!", right?

[URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/alleged-underage-prostitution/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2257785][URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/alleged-underage-prostitution/[/URL][/QUOTE]That's the bar I walked away from when I was asked 450 thb for the room. I wish it were raided on account of overcharging for rooms.

Thanks for feedback on the various merits of a visit to Pattaya.

On balance it might be worth a visit for me, not least out of curiosity. I take the point about drinking and age-competition (Am 49 but younger-looking, often passing for late 30's or early 40's). I'm quite realistic about my 'pulling power' vis-a-vis younger guys, though. When I referred to reading loads of posts I meant reports, mainly, and not such comparisons of performance and physical attraction between the two locations we're considering, so it's good to get this marked-up.

I believe that is one of the nightwish group. If so will be a lot of heat on soi 6 as they own a large part of the soi bars. 16 and 17 year old girls. Dumb dumb dumb.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257359]Ah, I have not ignored or forgotten about your reply to me, Mr. Monger. I just wanted to give Phazze63 a chance to reply first. Also, I didn't know if you were being a bit funny the way you do sometimes in the Philippines/Angeles City threads. And I do think you are often VERY funny in your posts. I mean that in the best way.

So, DO tell. Is there any more insight you can give us about this? Are you talking about the same 4-5 go-go bars on WS in Pattaya as have been mentioned for attracting the top best looking girls in the city? What was your game to accomplish that goal other than your innate charm and striking good looks? Are you also young, fit and Asian? Please share what you are comfortable sharing.

You know, depending on the answers about this issue in general, I just might go down there and give those good looking, fit, 20-something year old Asian punters in those places some competition sometime. I mean, maybe I should if it turns out there are many more times when such a True GFE can be had with those girls that a whole bunch of other punters are just not into taking advantage of anyway. Why not give those girls a chance to say "no" to me as well as the golden opportunity to say "YES!", right?[/QUOTE]Well, I am no 27-year-old Chinese stud adroit at performing cunnilingus on the top Thai hookers and making them cum! Therefore, I am not claiming to lick on their clits in Mandarin causing them to fall madly in love with me. The so-called "uncool" behavior that I referred to was going bareback and squirting my goo in their pussies. In spite of being a regular wanker, I occasionally get an unsolicited free pity fuck from a top girl. I guess I am the sort of fella who just looks like he could really use a free fuck unlike the young handsome Asian studs with stacks of baht. Maybe, the top girls find it amusing to fuck a very funny rogue elephant man. Anyhow, I hope that helps. LOL!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257892]I believe that is one of the nightwish group. If so will be a lot of heat on soi 6 as they own a large part of the soi bars. 16 and 17 year old girls. Dumb dumb dumb.[/QUOTE]No, Miss B-Heaven isn't one of the nightwish group.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2257929]No, Miss B-Heaven isn't one of the nightwish group.[/QUOTE]Cool. Always thought it was. Good news but still not good press for soi 6.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257892]I believe that is one of the nightwish group. If so will be a lot of heat on soi 6 as they own a large part of the soi bars. 16 and 17 year old girls. Dumb dumb dumb.[/QUOTE]1st time in Pattaya. 39 American how do I meet guys. Not that way LOL to show me around.

You don't really end anyone to show you around. Just go to walking street and soi 6. You can easily find both. Go to beach road, walking st is at one end. The sois are numbered. It seems like going there for the first time might be hard to figure out things but it's not.

[QUOTE=YoungAndFun007;2258065]1st time in Pattaya. 39 American how do I meet guys. Not that way LOL to show me around.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YoungAndFun007;2258065]1st time in Pattaya. 39 American how do I meet guys. Not that way LOL to show me around.[/QUOTE]There is a tread for travel announcements so you can broadcast when you are there and other members can contact you by private message. If you just want to know the layout of the joint use google maps street view and you get a good idea of what is where.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2258152]There is a tread for travel announcements so you can broadcast when you are there and other members can contact you by private message. If you just want to know the layout of the joint use google maps street view and you get a good idea of what is where.[/QUOTE]He will need to buy a membership first to activate PMs.

Its $20 very well spent

[QUOTE=Goferring;2258154]He will need to buy a membership first to activate PMs.

Its $20 very well spent[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2257918]Well, I am no 27-year-old Chinese stud adroit at performing cunnilingus on the top Thai hookers and making them cum! Therefore, I am not claiming to lick on their clits in Mandarin causing them to fall madly in love with me. The so-called "uncool" behavior that I referred to was going bareback and squirting my goo in their pussies. In spite of being a regular wanker, I occasionally get an unsolicited free pity fuck from a top girl. I guess I am the sort of fella who just looks like he could really use a free fuck unlike the young handsome Asian studs with stacks of baht. Maybe, the top girls find it amusing to fuck a very funny rogue elephant man. Anyhow, I hope that helps. LOL![/QUOTE]

Ouch, am I supposed to be the rich 27 y/o stud in scenario? I'm flattered :)
Teach me your ways elephant man! Can you post some pics of these sweet pity fukin top girls so I can prepare for my next trip?

There's a pretty good costume shop a few blocks away from me.

[QUOTE=Penguin69;2257797]Am 49 but younger-looking, often passing for late 30's or early 40's). I'm quite realistic about my 'pulling power' vis-a-vis younger guys[/QUOTE]Mate, come on, it's Pattaya, "pulling power" is totally irrelevant. If there's a girl in Pattaya who won't fuck me, I've yet to find her.

Are they open on the 6 yet? They've been closed the last few days.

[QUOTE=YoungAndFun007;2258065]1st time in Pattaya. 39 American how do I meet guys. Not that way LOL to show me around.[/QUOTE]In general, you can just meet friends and fellow hobbyists at a GoGo or Club or Bar. I have found most people to be approachable (particularly if you are from the same country and age group). Another way I have met people is you barfine a girl and take her to a club (buy a bottle!) . Where she will almost always end up meeting up with a girlfriend who also has a date. I've met some pretty cool people that way too.

Obviously choose your running buddies wisely.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2258006]Cool. Always thought it was. Good news but still not good press for soi 6.[/QUOTE]This is their list of bars.

[URL]https://www.pattaya-bars.com/nightwish-group-bars/[/URL]

A lot of the usual bickering I see here.

Some thoughts: Dressing nicely and grooming yourself will always get you more attention. Period - Thai's love a well dressed man. But a slug is still a slug. It doesn't mean they actually like you or are going to give you any better service. There are girls that are going to FKK you right and girls that won't. And sometimes when you eat their pussy and make them cum they then just get lazy for the rest of the session. But hey, whatever works for whoever, go for it. If you're getting results, more power to you.

What I LIKE about Pattaya vs BKK.

The buses that are always available making that round trip. 5-10 baht every time saves you a lot vs tuk tuk mfs always wanting 200-300 baht to go up the street.

Soi 6. Its just so cheap and easy.

Better looking street working girls. Just my opinion, but I go out at weird times here and there (4-5 am) and even then, the selection of ladies still mulling about, beats BKK, where it just gets gross. And if you're into ladyboys, even some decent looking one's at that hour too.

PLENTY of hot girls vs BKK. Yes, BKK has more. It's one of the largest cities in the world vs a small town 90 minutes south of it. But Pattaya has plenty of QUALITY girls. I went in 25 clubs on Walking Street last night. Passing out my business card to owners / managers. And I was surprised at the level of talent I saw. Some clubs I might not have ever went into, I will NOW for sure. It's there if you look for it. Or just go to Saphire.

The water. Even if it IS gross, having it nearby is nice. Dinner at dusk across from Beach Road is nice.

Crossing the street.

What I like about BKK vs Pattaya.

Nicer short time rooms.

Billboard.

Crazy House (I know its not the same, yadda yadda, but its still the most nekked quality I've seen).

Personally, I've had an easier time finding a GREAT FKK in BKK vs Pattaya.

The soapies and massage places. The level of service at a lower price. Someone point the way if I'm wrong.

Less people trying to sell me chit.

What's FKK stand for?

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258520]A lot of the usual bickering I see here.

Some thoughts: Dressing nicely and grooming yourself will always get you more attention. Period - Thai's love a well dressed man. But a slug is still a slug. It doesn't mean they actually like you or are going to give you any better service. There are girls that are going to FKK you right and girls that won't. And sometimes when you eat their pussy and make them cum they then just get lazy for the rest of the session. But hey, whatever works for whoever, go for it. If you're getting results, more power to you.

What I LIKE about Pattaya vs BKK.

The buses that are always available making that round trip. 5-10 baht every time saves you a lot vs tuk tuk mfs always wanting 200-300 baht to go up the street.

Soi 6. Its just so cheap and easy.

Better looking street working girls. Just my opinion, but I go out at weird times here and there (4-5 am) and even then, the selection of ladies still mulling about, beats BKK, where it just gets gross. And if you're into ladyboys, even some decent looking one's at that hour too.

PLENTY of hot girls vs BKK. Yes, BKK has more. It's one of the largest cities in the world vs a small town 90 minutes south of it. But Pattaya has plenty of QUALITY girls. I went in 25 clubs on Walking Street last night. Passing out my business card to owners / managers. And I was surprised at the level of talent I saw. Some clubs I might not have ever went into, I will NOW for sure. It's there if you look for it. Or just go to Saphire.

The water. Even if it IS gross, having it nearby is nice. Dinner at dusk across from Beach Road is nice.

Crossing the street.

What I like about BKK vs Pattaya.

Nicer short time rooms.

Billboard.

Crazy House (I know its not the same, yadda yadda, but its still the most nekked quality I've seen).

Personally, I've had an easier time finding a GREAT FKK in BKK vs Pattaya.

The soapies and massage places. The level of service at a lower price. Someone point the way if I'm wrong.

Less people trying to sell me chit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258520]A lot of the usual bickering I see here.

Some thoughts: Dressing nicely and grooming yourself will always get you more attention. Period - Thai's love a well dressed man. But a slug is still a slug. It doesn't mean they actually like you or are going to give you any better service. There are girls that are going to FKK you right and girls that won't. And sometimes when you eat their pussy and make them cum they then just get lazy for the rest of the session. But hey, whatever works for whoever, go for it. If you're getting results, more power to you.
[/QUOTE]A few dudes squawking regarding my comment on going down on a top girl. Service aside, does it not turn YOU on? does for me.

The typical routine of BJ - sex - cum just doesn't do it for me.

I can agree with what SexInStl is saying. I have been to Thailand twice and been to BKK and Pattaya on both occasions. Had a much better time in Pattaya.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258520]A lot of the usual bickering I see here.

Some thoughts: Dressing nicely and grooming yourself will always get you more attention. Period - Thai's love a well dressed man. But a slug is still a slug. It doesn't mean they actually like you or are going to give you any better service. There are girls that are going to FKK you right and girls that won't. And sometimes when you eat their pussy and make them cum they then just get lazy for the rest of the session. But hey, whatever works for whoever, go for it. If you're getting results, more power to you.

What I LIKE about Pattaya vs BKK.

The buses that are always available making that round trip. 5-10 baht every time saves you a lot vs tuk tuk mfs always wanting 200-300 baht to go up the street.

Soi 6. Its just so cheap and easy...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2258546]What's FKK stand for?[/QUOTE]It stands for Fuck. Not all forums allow that word so it's just a habit to abbreviate it that way for me.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2258601]A few dudes squawking regarding my comment on going down on a top girl. Service aside, does it not turn YOU on? does for me.

The typical routine of BJ - sex - cum just doesn't do it for me.[/QUOTE]I like it. No squawking intended. Most would still rather you just bust a nut and go though. The one's who DO appreciate it are few and far between though.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258652]I like it. No squawking intended. Most would still rather you just bust a nut and go though. The one's who DO appreciate it are few and far between though.[/QUOTE]I think at least 90% of the girls like it very much in my experience. Maybe a part of that 90% would rather skip it without expressing it to me though, that's possible.

I know at a lot of the blowjob bars you can get head in the common area but I've read online that you can't have sex in the bar area.

Does anyone know anywhere where I can have sex in the bar / common area. Strip Club, Blowjob Bar, anything?

In Pattaya, Bangkok, or anywhere else?

My last brother has finally come to Thailand. My other 2 brothers and dad have been several times. My mom, stepmom, and 2 aunts have also been. First thing we did was rent a bike for my brother. 1 week 1000 baht. We rode around and ran some errands then we hit Soi 6.

So many chicks on Soi 6. We parked and walked and stopped in to one of my favorite places. Business as usual. We grabbed a girl from outside and walked in and had a drink with the girls. They said 350 for the room 1000 for them. Maybe they did not know who they were dealing with. I always pay 700 and 350 for the room. Who give you that price the chick I was with asked. You and her are about to give me that price! Meanwhile the other chick is punching 900 into my brother's phone. I said no way. 700 for you and 350 for bar. Let's go.

Okay. But do not tell anyone price you pay. I know better than that. We go over to the bar and pay for the drinks and rooms and mamasan told us to pay the girls afterwards in the room. I was going up with my girl but my brother's girl was missing something. Mamasan told him to wait until she went to buy whatever it was. I asked if it was a sponge and she said no. She said it was her first day and she was missing something. Lucky him.

Me and my girl went to the room and the usual she washed me in the shower, went to the bed for BBBJ, then the fucking started. GFE session and no mood ruined. I fucked the brakes off her. I felt like FL Hawk. I don't know if it was their condoms or what. I didn't plan on doing anything so I didn't bring my tools. Girl asked if I wanted her to suck some more. I told her that didn't work on me. Finally skeeted, took another shower, handed over 700 baht, and was out of there.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2258718]I know at a lot of the blowjob bars you can get head in the common area but I've read online that you can't have sex in the bar area.

Does anyone know anywhere where I can have sex in the bar / common area. Strip Club, Blowjob Bar, anything?

In Pattaya, Bangkok, or anywhere else?[/QUOTE]I know of a place that falls under the anywhere else choice. Please send me a private message and I will tell you. You can subscribe to the forums subscription for $19.95 to access the private messenger system as I tried to PM you but you cannot receive. The subscription is good for 1 year.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258651]It stands for Fuck. Not all forums allow that word so it's just a habit to abbreviate it that way for me.[/QUOTE]FKK is an acronym for German sex clubs. If you google the name, you will get the entire shebang, or just look for Banana Boi's recent post where he explains it. I believe it's in the Stupid Shit in Thailand thread.

A few days ago I took a girl ST at one of the Soi 6 bars. 300 baht room and 1000 baht to the girl. She said that the bar pays her 10 thousand baht per month to work there. And she sleeps in one of the rooms there. A lot of the girls on Soi 6 that I have taken have told me that they sleep onsite if they are permanents there.

Last night I took a chick ST at The Pussy Club on Soi 6. 400 baht room, and 1000 baht to the girl. The girl was complaining that high season this year was no good. When I asked her why she said it was because of Miss-BHaven bar and their employment of 16 and 17 year old girls. That didn't sound like a good reason to me but that is what she said. Miss BHaven bar is still shuttered up.

[QUOTE=ForgottenOwl;2258718]I know at a lot of the blowjob bars you can get head in the common area but I've read online that you can't have sex in the bar area.

Does anyone know anywhere where I can have sex in the bar / common area. Strip Club, Blowjob Bar, anything?

In Pattaya, Bangkok, or anywhere else?[/QUOTE]In Bangkok there is Kangaroo bar and Star of Light on Patpong road. On soi Cowboy, Toy bar has the famous naughty boys corner. I have never partaken as that is not my style.

[QUOTE=Franga;2258829]A few days ago I took a girl ST at one of the Soi 6 bars. 300 baht room and 1000 baht to the girl. She said that the bar pays her 10 thousand baht per month to work there. And she sleeps in one of the rooms there. A lot of the girls on Soi 6 that I have taken have told me that they sleep onsite if they are permanents there.

Last night I took a chick ST at The Pussy Club on Soi 6. 400 baht room, and 1000 baht to the girl. The girl was complaining that high season this year was no good. When I asked her why she said it was because of Miss-BHaven bar and their employment of 16 and 17 year old girls. That didn't sound like a good reason to me but that is what she said. Miss BHaven bar is still shuttered up.[/QUOTE]I was just there for three weeks, had a different girl, or two each day on the 6. I asked them about the lack of tourists and they noticed it, but didn't know why it was so slow. This was well before the Miss be Haven incident so I doubt her reasons for the slowness. Good to hear the short time rooms are open again, and the Pussy Club is a great and fun place.

Has anyone here ever stayed at Airbnb places in Pattaya? I see quite a lot of entire condos for $20-$30 but don't know how they are there.

So I just finished an amazing three week Pattaya trip and am in the process of booking next year (I am totally hooked). I am looking at late September-early October, three more weeks. I have read that it is considered the lowest of the low season, which I am fine with and is kinda what I am looking for. Any help in what that time frame would look like in regards to weather, access to girls and lack of tourists?

[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2258867]I was just there for three weeks, had a different girl, or two each day on the 6. I asked them about the lack of tourists and they noticed it, but didn't know why it was so slow. This was well before the Miss be Haven incident so I doubt her reasons for the slowness. Good to hear the short time rooms are open again, and the Pussy Club is a great and fun place.[/QUOTE]It may have something to do with the exchange rates for GBP / THB. I see a lot of folks from the UK whinging on several other platforms (FB mostly) about how the rate will soon be on par with the dollar.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2258921]Has anyone here ever stayed at Airbnb places in Pattaya? I see quite a lot of entire condos for $20-$30 but don't know how they are there.[/QUOTE]Pick the right condo and you can have a great time. Do a search in the Pattaya. Hotels thread. There are several reports. To name a few popular choices. Unixx, Base, Centric, City Garden, Centara.

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258652]I like it. No squawking intended. Most would still rather you just bust a nut and go though. The one's who DO appreciate it are few and far between though.[/QUOTE]Ofc. More common with ST experience. But I'm a LT kind of guy, so the girl has already agreed to stay past 1 pop. In which case, most girls have given better service when I'm not just pounding away like a mindless jackhammer.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2258688]I think at least 90% of the girls like it very much in my experience. Maybe a part of that 90% would rather skip it without expressing it to me though, that's possible.[/QUOTE]Its not necessarily about going down on them, but I think you not treating them like a sex doll LOL. Per my mindless jackhammer comment. Anyways. It turns me on to do it, so I do it to warm myself up if anything.

Wanted to session a girl at Ruby club.
- No room for bumbum.
- Are all rooms busy? I asked.
- No rooms for bumbum. Your hotel.

So I went away, being in no mood to lose more time in towing a girl to where I live.

Had a good session at Hero Club next door. Room there was only 300 but the employee at the bar didn't want me to pay upfront. "Pay later" she said. Fair enough. Only when I asked the girl about the barfine to take her on holiday she said it was 1500/ day. Ouch.

[QUOTE=XXL;2259028]Only when I asked about the barfine to take her on holiday the girl said it was 1500/ day. Ouch.[/QUOTE]Why not find a freelance chick to take on holiday?

[QUOTE=SexInStl;2258652]I like it. No squawking intended. Most would still rather you just bust a nut and go though. The one's who DO appreciate it are few and far between though.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it is a cultural thing. US hookers see DATY as a bonus. I can't recall doing a prostitute in the US who did not like it.

[QUOTE=XXL;2259028]Wanted to session a girl at Ruby club.
- No room for bumbum.
- Are all rooms busy? I asked.
- No rooms for bumbum. Your hotel.

So I went away, being in no mood to lose more time in towing a girl to where I live.

Had a good session at Hero Club next door. Room there was only 300 but the employee at the bar didn't want me to pay upfront. "Pay later" she said. Fair enough. Only when I asked the girl about the barfine to take her on holiday she said it was 1500/ day. Ouch.[/QUOTE]1500 sounds reasonable to me. She needs to stop work and the bar loses the lady for that period of time. For this kind of thing you should be using Thai Friendly to find a freelancer if you don't want to pay the bar fine. 1500 per day is common sense. On a side note, lighten up. You are in Thailand and no need to get upset if one bar does not have rooms available. Just move on like you did.

[QUOTE=Exoticspirit;2258921]Has anyone here ever stayed at Airbnb places in Pattaya? I see quite a lot of entire condos for $20-$30 but don't know how they are there.[/QUOTE]You posted the same question on 28th November here [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1875-Pattaya-Hotels&p=2255050&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2255050.

And you've already received our answers. Why post the same question again in the wrong thread?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259100]1500 sounds reasonable to me. She needs to stop work and the bar loses the lady for that period of time. For this kind of thing you should be using Thai Friendly to find a freelancer if you don't want to pay the bar fine. 1500 per day is common sense. ..[/QUOTE]This girl wanted 2000 for herself per day, which was reasonable compared to what other girls ask for. 2000 + 1500 = 3500/ day.

3500/ day is still okayish but most girls would want to earn at least 3000, which brings the total to 4500. That's 45000 thb for a 10-day holiday. Plus food, transport and minimal shopping of course.

I've found the supply of girls online to be very disappointing, at least in Pattaya. I have the impression I would have to invite 30 online girls over before I stumbled upon one I'd like to repeat. What I see swiping on Tinder or perusing TF for Pattaya is less attractive to me than what I come across in just one soi 6 bar. Online = Beach Road.

I was wondering whether the police was starting to crack down on short time rooms on soi 6.

[QUOTE=XXL;2259110]This girl wanted 2000 for herself per day, which was reasonable compared to what other girls ask for. 2000 + 1500 = 3500/ day.

3500/ day is still okayish but most girls would want to earn at least 3000, which brings the total to 4500. That's 45000 thb for a 10-day holiday. Plus food, transport and minimal shopping of course.

I've found the supply of girls online to be very disappointing, at least in Pattaya. I have the impression I would have to invite 30 online girls over before I stumbled upon one I'd like to repeat. What I see swiping on Tinder or perusing TF for Pattaya is less attractive to me than what I come across in just one soi 6 bar. Online = Beach Road.

I was wondering whether the police was starting to crack down on short time rooms on soi 6.[/QUOTE]I'm confused now. First you said ouch insinuating expensive but hen this girl wanted only 2000 + 1500= 3500 and you said it was ok. Then you talk about most girls wanting 3000 +1500= 4500. Why? It's not relevant. The girl you wanted was the 3500. As for soi 6, some of the bars don't want to be linked to prostitution so having the rooms onsite is a closer link to the bar. Anyways, I fail to see the logic of your post about the girls. You have a better chance of liking a girl from a dating site than a random bar girl you meet one time. Come on man, what are you really talking about here? I'm lost!

My advice about finding a girl to go on holiday with you is this. Find a girl on TF and build a nice rapport with her. Go on a few short dates and more than likely she will go with you for free if she does not have a day job. If she is a freelancer, 2000 per day for 10 days is 20,000 and she has no expenses to pay for food or hotel so she will be all good. You think way too much! Enjoy Thailand.

Here are some profiles I just searched and it was so easy to find good looking and sexy girls in Pattaya on TF. They will stack up against any soi 6 girl I have ever seen. Heck, many soi 6 girls even have TF profiles. I also will include a photo without a profile because I want this one for myself. She agreed to 1500 per day for 7 days. I wont give you her profile lol but enjoy her photo in doggystyle. All this happened in the last 15 minutes. I found 4 good ladies and the one who sent me the sexy pic made the deal for 1500 per day. So whats the problem. Maybe I should offer to teach a course for you guys lol.

[QUOTE=XXL;2259110]I've found the supply of girls online to be very disappointing, at least in Pattaya. I have the impression I would have to invite 30 online girls over before I stumbled upon one I'd like to repeat. What I see swiping on Tinder or perusing TF for Pattaya is less attractive to me than what I come across in just one soi 6 bar. Online = Beach Road.[/QUOTE]So why not just meet a chick while you are out walking around? You don't have to go online, and you don't have to go to a bar. You can just talk to the one you physically like and see if you click with her. I'm lost too. It ain't that hard to meet chicks; and in Pattaya of all places. Just see one, smile, and say where you going.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259132]Here are some profiles I just searched and it was so easy to find good looking and sexy girls in Pattaya on TF. They will stack up against any soi 6 girl I have ever seen. Heck, many soi 6 girls even have TF profiles.[/QUOTE]I saw the second chick in 808 last night. I remember taking her from there before. She has sharp piercings around her lips. Nothing to write home about. Also I think she works on Soi 6 too.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259189]So why not just meet a chick while you are out walking around? You don't have to go online, and you don't have to go to a bar. You can just talk to the one you physically like and see if you click with her. I'm lost too. It ain't that hard to meet chicks; and in Pattaya of all places. Just see one, smile, and say where you going.[/QUOTE]Agree. If girls aren't checking you out up and down and smiling at you in pattaya there's something wrong. Just ask one who smiled at you if you like her. Be confident but not cocky in pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259190]I saw the second chick in 808 last night. I remember taking her from there before. She has sharp piercings around her lips. Nothing to write home about. Also I think she works on Soi 6 too.[/QUOTE]I agree but as I said, these girls are the same as you can meet in soi 6. Curious to know why you took her from 808 before if she is nothing to write home about. With so many choices in Patts, why would you settle on someone you weren’t that fond of?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2258750]My last brother has finally come to Thailand. My other 2 brothers and dad have been several times. My mom, stepmom, and 2 aunts have also been. First thing we did was rent a bike for my brother. 1 week 1000 baht. We rode around and ran some errands then we hit Soi 6.

So many chicks on Soi 6. We parked and walked and stopped in to one of my favorite places. Business as usual. We grabbed a girl from outside and walked in and had a drink with the girls. They said 350 for the room 1000 for them. Maybe they did not know who they were dealing with. I always pay 700 and 350 for the room. Who give you that price the chick I was with asked. You and her are about to give me that price! Meanwhile the other chick is punching 900 into my brother's phone. I said no way. 700 for you and 350 for bar. Let's go.

Okay. But do not tell anyone price you pay. I know better than that. We go over to the bar and pay for the drinks and rooms and mamasan told us to pay the girls afterwards in the room. I was going up with my girl but my brother's girl was missing something. Mamasan told him to wait until she went to buy whatever it was. I asked if it was a sponge and she said no. She said it was her first day and she was missing something. Lucky him.

Me and my girl went to the room and the usual she washed me in the shower, went to the bed for BBBJ, then the fucking started. GFE session and no mood ruined. I fucked the brakes off her. I felt like FL Hawk. I don't know if it was their condoms or what. I didn't plan on doing anything so I didn't bring my tools. Girl asked if I wanted her to suck some more. I told her that didn't work on me. Finally skeeted, took another shower, handed over 700 baht, and was out of there.[/QUOTE]I understand guys who don't have much money and save up for this and every dollar is a big deal. What I don't understand is guys who do this all the time and presumably have money taking satisfaction from out-negotiating a bargirl for $9. 14 that probably means a lot more to her than it does to you. Really? I truly do not understand this mentality. Can you explain why this is so satisfying to you?

[QUOTE=Buksida1;2258862]In Bangkok there is Kangaroo bar and Star of Light on Patpong road. On soi Cowboy, Toy bar has the famous naughty boys corner. I have never partaken as that is not my style.[/QUOTE]So you can forsure get full service in the Kangaroo bar, Star of Light, Toy Bar in the actual bar area? Not just a handjob?

The issue of what is a fair price to pay comes up every so often. Some members have success through on line hook ups with getting lots of freebies while others continuously manage reductions in standard asking rates raising the question is this fair to the girls. I feel it can be argued both ways.

On the one hand a tight budget, a love of mongering alongside the girl freely making the decision to give it up for nothing or taking less than the going rate justifies paying less. On the other hand is it taking advantage of a girl's particular circumstances?

I would argue there is no right or wrong answer, it's complicated. Then again perhaps it simply comes down to one's conscience.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2259209]I understand guys who don't have much money and save up for this and every dollar is a big deal. What I don't understand is guys who do this all the time and presumably have money taking satisfaction from out-negotiating a bargirl for $9. 14 that probably means a lot more to her than it does to you. Really? I truly do not understand this mentality. Can you explain why this is so satisfying to you?[/QUOTE]Oh god! We have price police for paying too much and price police for paying too little. We have the safe sex police and......

What the hell is this? We can't win with you guys can we. Better we stop mentioning what we pay then and the rest of you can figure it out on your own. Do you want that?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259266]Oh god! We have price police for paying too much and price police for paying too little. We have the safe sex police and......

What the hell is this? We can't win with you guys can we. Better we stop mentioning what we pay then and the rest of you can figure it out on your own. Do you want that?[/QUOTE]I didn't say he paid too little. I asked a question. Which I suppose only he can answer. Although, if others derive satisfaction by winning a negotiation over $9. 14 I suppose they might chime in as well.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2259289]I didn't say he paid too little. I asked a question. Which I suppose only he can answer. Although, if others derive satisfaction by winning a negotiation over $9. 14 I suppose they might chime in as well.[/QUOTE]Its called being cheap and not really having "money".

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259197]I agree but as I said, these girls are the same as you can meet in soi 6. Curious to know why you took her from 808 before if she is nothing to write home about. With so many choices in Patts, why would you settle on someone you werent that fond of?[/QUOTE]I am saying the after was nothing to write home about. Just an average session. She also does not look too good. I just wanted to fuck her because of the weird piercings. I am not like most guys with a list of how things have to be. I might see one thing about a chick (like a hairstyle) and decide I want to take her. And it is only 1000-1200 baht long time so I really can't go wrong.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2259209]I understand guys who don't have much money and save up for this and every dollar is a big deal. What I don't understand is guys who do this all the time and presumably have money taking satisfaction from out-negotiating a bargirl for $9. 14 that probably means a lot more to her than it does to you. Really? I truly do not understand this mentality. Can you explain why this is so satisfying to you?[/QUOTE]Satisfying? I have explained this before. On Soi 6 there is no set price. The only thing set is the bar fine or room fee. The amount you give the girl is negotiable. I have always given chicks on Soi 6 700 for short time and 1000 for long time, and I have reported doing such. Not my fault people here walk in and take the first price they are given.

Just like last night when me and my brother walked into a tailor shop and asked how much to make a shirt. He said 1000 baht. I said come on man you know that is too much. Then he said 800 baht. Now when I go to him and tell him I want 5 shirts etcetera, I will end up paying 700 baht for each shirt. But of course $9.14 means more to the tailor than it does to me right? Maybe, maybe not.

But the way things work around here is through negotiation. It is just that most people don't understand that and take the first price they are given. So who is really being taken advantage of? The bar girls that gets "out-negotiated" or the punter that does not know to negotiate? No chick is going to go for less than she is going to go for and no tailor will sell a shirt for less than he is going to sell it for.

P.S. It might stand to reason that the guy that did it all the time would have less money. The guy that only did it every blue moon maybe could afford to splurge. If I go into the club once a year then maybe I will get $150 bottle service. If I go into the club every other day then you think I am going to do that?

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259266]Oh god! We have price police for paying too much and price police for paying too little. We have the safe sex police and......

What the hell is this? We can't win with you guys can we. Better we stop mentioning what we pay then and the rest of you can figure it out on your own. Do you want that?[/QUOTE]Not to mention the policing police who feel the need to police the forum.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2259302]Its called being cheap and not really having "money".[/QUOTE]There is a time and place for everything. I don't find it a badge of honor to be a big spender amongst prostitutes. Going on vacation in Maldives is something else. I had to have the water bungalow.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2259246]On the one hand a tight budget, a love of mongering alongside the girl freely making the decision to give it up for nothing or taking less than the going rate justifies paying less. On the other hand is it taking advantage of a girl's particular circumstances?

I would argue there is no right or wrong answer, it's complicated. Then again perhaps it simply comes down to one's conscience.[/QUOTE]Exactly. No right or wrong answer. Nobody is forcing anybody into anything. It could just as well be that the chick is taking advantage of the guy's situation that doesn't get pussy back home. Making him pay 3000 baht! Next thing you know he is out buying gold for her. For mfs that are used to women or get their love and affection from chicks that are not hookers, then it is just another chick he is fucking.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259307] I have always given chicks on Soi 6 700 for short time and 1000 for long time, and I have reported doing such. Not my fault people here walk in and take the first price they are given.

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[/QUOTE]My interest in shopping for P4P on Soi 6 began to sour 2-3 years ago when I spent an afternoon and evening there interacting with the half dozen or so "ok" looking girls I could find in various bars and not one of them agreed to give me a BBBJ+CIM for any amount of money. I mean, we never even got to the "How much?" part since the "NO" part of it was so absolute. LOL.

So I must be a prime candidate to learn more from you about Soi 6 Economics and the Art of Hooker Negotiation.

Mind you, I definitely saw many, many girls working on that Soi and in those bars of whom most of the punters reading this thread would agree hands down should not charging more than 700 baht if they expect to get more than 1 roaring drunk customer per week. But there are always a handful of girls who most of us would say look like they could expect 1000 baht and not budge from it. Based on their looks alone, that is.

So for further clarification; are you saying you have never gotten a refusal of your 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT offer from any and every girl you have ever propositioned on Soi 6? And are you also saying you just as frequently hit on Soi 6 girls who most punters with Thai mongering experience would rate as among the top 10% best lookers on Soi 6 as the ones most of us would not be surprised would be highly flexible in what they would accept and not reject?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259307]Satisfying? I have explained this before. On Soi 6 there is no set price. The only thing set is the bar fine or room fee. The amount you give the girl is negotiable. I have always given chicks on Soi 6 700 for short time and 1000 for long time, and I have reported doing such. Not my fault people here walk in and take the first price they are given.

Just like last night when me and my brother walked into a tailor shop and asked how much to make a shirt. He said 1000 baht. I said come on man you know that is too much. Then he said 800 baht. Now when I go to him and tell him I want 5 shirts etcetera, I will end up paying 700 baht for each shirt. But of course $9.14 means more to the tailor than it does to me right? Maybe, maybe not.

But the way things work around here is through negotiation. It is just that most people don't understand that and take the first price they are given. So who is really being taken advantage of? The bar girls that gets "out-negotiated" or the punter that does not know to negotiate? No chick is going to go for less than she is going to go for and no tailor will sell a shirt for less than he is going to sell it for.

P.S. It might stand to reason that the guy that did it all the time would have less money. The guy that only did it every blue moon maybe could afford to splurge. If I go into the club once a year then maybe I will get $150 bottle service. If I go into the club every other day then you think I am going to do that?[/QUOTE]Thanks for responding in a constructive way. I would only ask that you consider the following. How long have you been paying 700? Has not Thailand experienced cost of living increases in that time? Perhaps 800 (+$3) or 900 (+$6) is more appropriate and you still didn't take the first offer. Then since Thai girls are like a box of chocolates you never know what you will get top her up to her asking price or more after the fact with a tip depending on the experience.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259312]There is a time and place for everything. I don't find it a badge of honor to be a big spender amongst prostitutes. Going on vacation in Maldives is something else. I had to have the water bungalow.[/QUOTE]When I read this for the first time I thought you had written "Water Buffalo" instead of "Water Bungalow". Gave me a good laugh. I thought that the legendary Mr. E had finally lost it. Thanks for the image.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259475]My interest in shopping for P4P on Soi 6 began to sour 2-3 years ago when I spent an afternoon and evening there interacting with the half dozen or so "ok" looking girls I could find in various bars and not one of them agreed to give me a BBBJ+CIM for any amount of money. I mean, we never even got to the "How much?" part since the "NO" part of it was so absolute. LOL.

So I must be a prime candidate to learn more from you about Soi 6 Economics and the Art of Hooker Negotiation.[/QUOTE]LOL. I have already explained that. I may negotiate price, but never negotiate service. And I never have a problem with service. As I explained the other day, all I told the chick on Soi 6 was let's go to the room. (Actually I was telling her to suck my dick downstairs on the couch. But she said she could not because it is not allowed and there are cameras. I told her it was no problem with me because I did not mind making a video.) When we got there whatever happened happened. When I couldn't cum she asked if it would help for her to suck my dick more. I'm pretty sure she would have had no problem with me CIM. Might have had a problem with YOU CIM; I can not attest to that. As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259475]So for further clarification; are you saying you have never gotten a refusal of your 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT offer from any and every girl you have ever propositioned on Soi 6?[/QUOTE]No. I remember trying to take this chick from Toy Box LT and she would not budge from this astronomical price. Like 3000 baht plus whatever the barfine was.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2259479]Thanks for responding in a constructive way. I would only ask that you consider the following. How long have you been paying 700? Has not Thailand experienced cost of living increases in that time?[/QUOTE]Why do you say that? Because you are paying more for bar girls? You are paying more for alcohol and cigarettes because the government went up on the taxes? If there has been a cost of living increase then nobody has told my landlord about it (and that is where it counts). I have been paying the same 4500 baht per month for almost the last 9 years. Let's see if anything changes in February when I sign a new contract.

I have also been paying the same 900 baht plus 60 baht tolls to get from the airport to Pattaya for as long as I can remember. So the taxi driver is not seeing it either. But I think the place that I eat breakfast has gone from 79 baht to 84 baht for the American breakfast: eggs, bacon, toast, juice, coffee or tea. So if we take that 5 baht difference and factor it into the 700 baht for a Soi 6 girl, then maybe she should be getting 40 baht more. 740 baht, which she did actually get if you add in the lady drink that I bought her!

[QUOTE=Steve 9696;2259479]Then since Thai girls are like a box of chocolates you never know what you will get top her up to her asking price or more after the fact with a tip depending on the experience.[/QUOTE]Why insist on giving away money that there is no need to give away? If I give her more do you think she is going to say let me drop by his place and give him a free round? Do you think her pussy would have gotten any wetter? All it does it make you feel good to pay more. I already feel good without paying more. And evidently the girls have no complaints about it either.

P.S. Today my brother bought 2 3 piece suits and 7 shirts. He told my brother 18,600 baht at first. My brother got the price to 17,000 baht. He also wanted 1500 baht to put a special lining in each suit. My brother talked him to do both for that 1500. Should I tell him to tip the guy when his clothes are ready?

A buddy just moved into a new (to him) house off Khao Talo so I went to check him out today. We were shooting the shit and throwing around stories. He said this one chick that routinely comes over was over and asked him for 5000 baht. He thought she had lost her mind. He said there is no way I am giving you 5000 baht. Then he said that she said something she really did not mean to say. Why you not stupid farang?

He also said that he had taken his car to the dealership and met a foreign guy while there that had bought his chick a motorbike, car, and a condo. He said the guy said the chick was not a bargirl. He also said that the girl would not let him drive either of the vehicles telling him that there is some law that if he is in an accident then it is automatically the foreigners fault. My buddy said the girl walked out when the car was ready and she definitely looked the part of a bargirl. He yelled out telling the guy that he should be the one driving and the girl said absolutely not!

So his new landlord is a rich 46 year old chick. She drives a black Mercedes. He was telling me that she fixed up her guest house for her German boyfriend and before he could finish I said let me guess, the guy never showed up. He said yep. I said well hook me up with her. He said fuck that. With your track record you will fool around and get her upset about something and she will go up on my rent!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259475]My interest in shopping for P4P on Soi 6 began to sour 2-3 years ago when I spent an afternoon and evening there interacting with the half dozen or so "ok" looking girls I could find in various bars and not one of them agreed to give me a BBBJ+CIM for any amount of money. I mean, we never even got to the "How much?" part since the "NO" part of it was so absolute. LOL.

So I must be a prime candidate to learn more from you about Soi 6 Economics and the Art of Hooker Negotiation.

Mind you, I definitely saw many, many girls working on that Soi and in those bars of whom most of the punters reading this thread would agree hands down should not charging more than 700 baht if they expect to get more than 1 roaring drunk customer per week. But there are always a handful of girls who most of us would say look like they could expect 1000 baht and not budge from it. Based on their looks alone, that is.

So for further clarification; are you saying you have never gotten a refusal of your 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT offer from any and every girl you have ever propositioned on Soi 6? And are you also saying you just as frequently hit on Soi 6 girls who most punters with Thai mongering experience would rate as among the top 10% best lookers on Soi 6 as the ones most of us would not be surprised would be highly flexible in what they would accept and not reject?[/QUOTE]Have to say this really comes across as an anti-Pattaya comment from a guy who see's Bangkok as King. Simple question to you: How many years have you been living in Bangkok? How many days spent in Pattaya? I'm going to guess the percentage of time spent in Pattaya is around half of a half of a half of a percent. And the opposite is true for Mr E who's spent more time in Pattaya than Bangkok. So its pretty much pointless to keep up this argument unless you move down to Pattaya and Mr E moves up to Bangkok.

When you pay 700 baht to the girl on Soi 6, do you get the full hour or is it once you come, time is over?

[QUOTE=Checkme;2255070]Hello there,

I've been RTFF a while now, and this is the first time for me posting, I will be on my maiden voyage to the LOS tomorrow and will stay for a week. I just wanted to post to thank all of the regular and irregular posters for informing and entertaining me with your reports. I will be posting my adventures when I'm back. My primary hunting grounds will be the clubs and soi 6, and I hope to visit some G-clubs in the little time that I have. You guys have been really helpful, again thanks.[/QUOTE]Hope your trip goes well. Looking forward to your report, not many reports here on G Clubs.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2259535]Have to say this really comes across as an anti-Pattaya comment from a guy who see's Bangkok as King. Simple question to you: How many years have you been living in Bangkok? How many days spent in Pattaya? I'm going to guess the percentage of time spent in Pattaya is around half of a half of a half of a percent. And the opposite is true for Mr E who's spent more time in Pattaya than Bangkok. So its pretty much pointless to keep up this argument unless you move down to Pattaya and Mr E moves up to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The constant daily Pattaya bashing by ET is getting really boring really fast.

I just got back from 3 weeks in Pattaya and loved it. Spent all my time at Soi 6 short time with a different girl or two each day, for me it was heaven on earth. I had good luck in Mods Bar, Smoke and Mirrors, SITC, Pussyclub and a few others but those places stood out. My question to fellow board members is do you see the model of whay Soi 6 offers every changing much (I'm not referring to prices going up as they always tend to) I mean in the short time model, buy a drink for her, take her upstairs, pay the room fee and girl and repeat? I hope it never deviates from that as I found it alot of fun and very easy.

[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2259606]... My question to fellow board members is do you see the model of whay Soi 6 offers every changing much (I'm not referring to prices going up as they always tend to) I mean in the short time model, buy a drink for her, take her upstairs, pay the room fee and girl and repeat? I hope it never deviates from that as I found it alot of fun and very easy.[/QUOTE]Many people including me live in fear of a crack-down on soi 6, like prohibition of short time rooms, or repeated raids causing girls not to work there any more. When that happens my sex-life in Thailand will be at an end.

A more certain danger for expats is probably the attrition caused by the ever worsening THB exchange rate but if price is not an issue for you no need to worry.

If you enjoyed the soi 6 set-up German FKKs might also be your cup of tea.

My problem with soi 6 is my high rejection rate. I'd say 40% of girls reject me. They do so in the Thai way, ie by never making eye-contact. That may be because I skip the drinks part. I never pay drinks. I walk up to the girl and say let's go.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2259535]Have to say this really comes across as an anti-Pattaya comment from a guy who see's Bangkok as King. Simple question to you: How many years have you been living in Bangkok? How many days spent in Pattaya? I'm going to guess the percentage of time spent in Pattaya is around half of a half of a half of a percent. And the opposite is true for Mr E who's spent more time in Pattaya than Bangkok. So its pretty much pointless to keep up this argument unless you move down to Pattaya and Mr E moves up to Bangkok.[/QUOTE]Who is arguing? There are also many, many P4P girls in Bangkok whose asking price of 1000 baht could easily be reduced to 700 baht by anyone willing to go there too. Especially if nothing particularly above the most basic sexual fare is mentioned or requested. Happy?

Seems to me some of you guys should have been ticked off by the intimation that EVERY girl on Soi 6 was worth no more than 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT for anything and everything of a sexual nature and they all knew it, which was very much what was being suggested until I asked the right questions and got clarification with no argument involved at all.

You're welcome for that, BTW.

I have been living in Bkk more than 6 years, after spending the same number of years vacationing in Thailand 4-5 weeks a year, most of that time spent in Pattaya. But that was 20-25 years ago. Now I much prefer Bkk.

However, I have gone to Pattaya for 2-3 day trips at least 7-8 times in the past 6 years. I took two such trips there in just the past 4 weeks. The most recent one, two weekends ago, was with a non pro gf from Bkk who had never been there before and had a rare 3-day free weekend from her job. So I took her there for a change in scenery from Bkk.

[QUOTE=Atom72;2259599]Hope your trip goes well. Looking forward to your report, not many reports here on G Clubs.[/QUOTE]If you are coming to Pattaya PM me right before you come. There is no use for receiving info a month in advance as lineups change. I go to G clubs often but only post updates on occasion. I'll only provide you with information on the promise you write a timely field report after you go.

If you are looking for top gogo quality girls no need to consider G clubs. Only know of one currently and I'm selfishly keeping her to myself since I hate going to her bar and having to wait for her among the 4s she works with.

Current G club lineups are very poor but I still persevere in hopes of finding those hidden gems. Drinks are dirt cheap and they are indoor so good way to pass some afternoons for me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259522]I'm pretty sure she would have had no problem with me CIM. Might have had a problem with YOU CIM[/QUOTE]I have a hard time getting CIM on Soi 6. But I asked the top 6 looking girls on Soi 6 at 3 PM. Top 6 in terms of generally accepted standards. Fairly certain many of the marginal looking girls would have said yes. BUT, I prefer my girls to wear make-up; I like to experience false illusions. Couple said no. Couple said yes to BJ, but no to CIM. One wanted 1500 Baht for CIM and rimming. One said yes at the Pussy Club. I thought she was the youngest and cutest one there. She initially hesitated. That is a bad sign. I should have walked away. Upstairs, her BBBJ was horrible. Then after several minutes, she said, "no more". After I paid her, left pissed off. Didn't want to create a scene if I paid her 700 instead of 1000. Fuck the Pussy Club!

At Soi 6, it seems the first price all the girls ask for is 1000 Baht for short time (for standard stuff). I'm wondering what percentage will accept 700. I just hate to negotiate with girls that will suck my dick, especially for $9 USD.

- Note: For my girl rating scale, I use a Bell curve. For all you non-engineering geeks out there, the shape of the curve is a bell. Most of the girls are average, around a 5. Very few high scores.

- IMO, many of the girls on Soi 6 are on the ugly side. Checked last month and the last 2 days around 3 PM. There are 5's around; only a few 6's; no 7's.

- At WS Tantra go-go, many 6's. I thought Nos. 129, 140, 242, 300, and 304 are 7's. I thought No. 322 is a 7.5. I liked the body of No. 300.

- At Infinity, I thought No. 403 is a 7. IMO, she's about 10 pounds overweight, although many people like the full figure type. I prefer skinny. I slipped a 20 Baht bill in her bikini, and I fondled her breast. She liked it (the money I assumed, LOL), and she gave me a wai. For less than a dollar! That's why I love Pattaya.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2259676]I have a hard time getting CIM on Soi 6. But I asked the top 6 looking girls on Soi 6 at 3 PM. Top 6 in terms of generally accepted standards. Fairly certain many of the marginal looking girls would have said yes. BUT, I prefer my girls to wear make-up; I like to experience false illusions. Couple said no. Couple said yes to BJ, but no to CIM. One wanted 1500 Baht for CIM and rimming. One said yes at the Pussy Club. I thought she was the youngest and cutest one there. She initially hesitated. That is a bad sign. I should have walked away. Upstairs, her BBBJ was horrible. Then after several minutes, she said, "no more". After I paid her, left pissed off. Didn't want to create a scene if I paid her 700 instead of 1000. Fuck the Pussy Club!

At Soi 6, it seems the first price all the girls ask for is 1000 Baht for short time (for standard stuff). I'm wondering what percentage will accept 700. I just hate to negotiate with girls that will suck my dick, especially for $9 USD.

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[/QUOTE]I am very much with you on that. My pointing out that there are many, many girls on Soi 6 who most of us on first sight would agree ought to be fine with 700 baht ST and that we probably would never take for more than that anyway, if that much (yes, gents, same as many, many girls in BKK) and then asking those particular questions was also in response to the perhaps saddened poster who wondered why a punter would negotiate such a girl down for the sake of $9.14. The fact is if the "700 baht and no more!" punters didn't take them they likely would almost never get a customer. Therefore, in a very real sense, one should not lament that this or that customer denied that poor girl 300 baht, but rather be glad there was at least someone willing to give them as much as 700 baht today.

It isn't like the top best looking girls on Soi 6 are being brilliantly hard bargained down from 1000 baht to 700 baht and still providing some fantastic sexual session they likely only provided the 1000 baht customers in their dreams. No doubt the vast majority of punters who don't work hard or bother to say anything at all to negotiate their chosen girls down from 1000 baht to 700 baht are not "fools". They've got eyes. They know there are "700 baht negotiable" girls and others, the ones they are likely dealing with instead, who have no reason to accept less than 1000 baht from any guy on this day. And they don't accept it.

The ongoing discussion on pricing is interesting.

Some argue that 700 is fine because rather than looking at it as losing 300 she is gaining 700. Problem with that logic it also makes 600 500 400 300 OK and I imagine there are those that think this way.

For me what she accepts when the price starts being negotiated is almost totally dependent on her financial circumstances and her sense of self-esteem and self-worth. Life can be tough for the less desirable girls.

That said I don't find anything amiss with somebody who regularly mongers and finds girls accepting 700. It's a cheap shag for sure but this is Thailand. It is what it is.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2259714]I am very much with you on that. My pointing out that there are many, many girls on Soi 6 who most of us on first sight would agree ought to be fine with 700 baht ST and that we probably would never take for more than that anyway,[/QUOTE]Recurring theme on ISG: If you don't pay as much as I pay then your girl is inferior and provides poor service.

My brother bagged a free chick from the disco last night. She must have been butt ugly and given him the starfish treatment. Must have been trying to move in and live off him too since he had to put her out at 2 this afternoon when I kept calling him to hit the streets.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259746]Recurring theme on ISG: If you don't pay as much as I pay then your girl is inferior and provides poor service.[/QUOTE]Actually, the recurring theme from most posters is that the lower price you pay, the same or better performance you get. I prefer a 6 that does everything instead of a 9 that doesn't do anything.

IMO, it will be very tough to get the popular cuties from Tantra and Palace, even after their shift ends, at 808 for 1000 Baht. But it seems you aren't interested in those type of girls. But that's good. More power to you. Who the hell wants to spend 5000 to 7000 Baht for one girl. I was at Tantra last night. The mamasan quoted 7000 (2000 + 5000 long time) to the guy next to me. Damn! For that price, I would rather barfine 3 girls at once in Angeles Walking Street. That's a true "threesome". Plus you have money left over for drinks.

I'm actually all for saving money. I think you give good info in saying that many Soi 6 prices can be negotiated. I just don't like doing it. But if I can negotiate a Tantra model girl for less, I would. I just don't like to spend more than $100 USD on short time. It seems it will be 5000 Baht (2000 + 3000 short time), approx $153 at Tantra. Although, I've happily paid $150 (50 fee + 100 tip) at an Asian massage parlor in California for less than 30 minutes of rushed service from a middle aged average looking Korean girl.

[QUOTE=Atom72;2259599]Hope your trip goes well. Looking forward to your report, not many reports here on G Clubs.[/QUOTE]Evidently not enough RTFF done. Several reports have been posted about the G Clubs in the Jomtien area, Soi Full Love Inn, Soi Chaiyaphoom, Darkside, etc. Should I start naming the clubs too now?

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[QUOTE=GreenBud;2259676]I have a hard time getting CIM on Soi 6. But I asked the top 6 looking girls on Soi 6 at 3 PM. Top 6 in terms of generally accepted standards. Fairly certain many of the marginal looking girls would have said yes. BUT, I prefer my girls to wear make-up; I like to experience false illusions. Couple said no. Couple said yes to BJ, but no to CIM. One wanted 1500 Baht for CIM and rimming. One said yes at the Pussy Club. I thought she was the youngest and cutest one there. She initially hesitated. That is a bad sign. I should have walked away. Upstairs, her BBBJ was horrible. Then after several minutes, she said, "no more". After I paid her, left pissed off. Didn't want to create a scene if I paid her 700 instead of 1000. Fuck the Pussy Club!

At Soi 6, it seems the first price all the girls ask for is 1000 Baht for short time (for standard stuff). I'm wondering what percentage will accept 700. I just hate to negotiate with girls that will suck my dick, especially for $9 USD.

- Note: For my girl rating scale, I use a Bell curve. For all you non-engineering geeks out there, the shape of the curve is a bell. Most of the girls are average, around a 5. Very few high scores.

- IMO, many of the girls on Soi 6 are on the ugly side. Checked last month and the last 2 days around 3 PM. There are 5's around; only a few 6's; no 7's.

- At WS Tantra go-go, many 6's. I thought Nos. 129, 140, 242, 300, and 304 are 7's. I thought No. 322 is a 7.5. I liked the body of No. 300.

- At Infinity, I thought No. 403 is a 7. IMO, she's about 10 pounds overweight, although many people like the full figure type. I prefer skinny. I slipped a 20 Baht bill in her bikini, and I fondled her breast. She liked it (the money I assumed, LOL), and she gave me a wai. For less than a dollar! That's why I love Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259746]Recurring theme on ISG: If you don't pay as much as I pay then your girl is inferior and provides poor service.

My brother bagged a free chick from the disco last night. She must have been butt ugly and given him the starfish treatment. Must have been trying to move in and live off him too since he had to put her out at 2 this afternoon when I kept calling him to hit the streets.[/QUOTE]Well, you had an opportunity to clarify if you meant to say that you hit them up all the time and a significant percenatge (all but one?) of even the best looking girls on Soi 6 readily accept your 700 baht ST and 1000 baht LT counter offer in reply to my question about that. And you could have clarified whether or not you got the usual time with the girls you negotiate down from 1000 baht to 700 baht in reply to Jimmy Boy 99's question about that.

I think both are obvious follow up questions to ask considering your way of putting it seems to imply that guys who do target the better looking girls or care enough about getting better service in the bed to negotiate for that where others focus only on price are fools for not refusing the 1000 baht rate and negotiating down to 700 baht with every girl they encounter on Soi 6 because of your success rate in doing so. But you didn't take the opportunity to answer either question.

Not sure what your brother or anyone else meeting a girl in a disco who was not a hooker (or chose not to behave like one with him) has to do with what I said about hookers on Soi 6 and so on. But thanks for the story.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2259889][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1TBW8OkCo4Acz1ug7ssSBBNTxJ5U&ll=12.918263519052484%2C100.88850189999994&z=14[/URL][/QUOTE]As usual, very good map / info.

The problem with the BJ bars is that the girls are usually on the ugly side. The girls at the BJ bars listed on Soi 6 were, IMO, ugly during the last few days.

One of the best performers I've had was this girl (a 5.5 that did everything) that worked on Soi 6 My Friend You Bar (BJ bar listed). Sadly, she's not working there anymore.

Talent at Kittens was ugly.

Couple of girls at Pump Station were ok for a BJ bar. One wanted extra for CIM. WTF. Not standard for a BJ bar. I took the other up. 900 baht. Lousy BJ. WTF. Usually, girls at BJ bars give good BJs.

Historically, I've had good experiences at Lo-litas. Last Saturday, 5 were ugly. One was not ugly, but on the chubby side.

I see that Devil's Den is listed. You definitely can get CIM there. And everything else, including lesbian rimming. But kind of pricey for 2 uglyish girls for 60 or 90 minutes. I would rather pay the same price in Angeles to get the same thing, but the girls will be younger and cuter, and you can have them for a lot longer duration.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2259889][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1TBW8OkCo4Acz1ug7ssSBBNTxJ5U&ll=12.918263519052484%2C100.88850189999994&z=14[/URL][/QUOTE]Be careful guys some of these are in the wrong location or displayed twice on my quick inspection.

I reported earlier that I believe geisha has closed.

Hasn't rioja been closed for 3 years or more?

Velvet reopened? Forgot all about that place.

Does Montana really have rooms? Are there even girls there?

How are booze and the other dark side bars these days?

Here is a review of my first trip to Pattaya (heaven on earth) I am already planning my next trip in September for one month.

I turned 40 on this trip and spent 3 weeks in Pattaya and mostly spent all my time on Soi 6. I am in good shape physically, dress well when I go out looking for chicks and have a overall positive attitude when dealing with them. I went to a large selection of bars on the 6 and had a different girl or two each day. The top bars for sexy girls for me was at Mods Bar, SITC, Smoke and Mirrors, Lust, Pussyclub, Horny Bar, Foxy Bar and the Ruby Club. I spent the equivalent of $1550 canadian on all my encounters which included a drink for me, one or two lady drinks, short time room fee and fee for the lady.

It was my first trip to Pattaya, 4th time in Thailand. Have been to Patong / Bangkok twice, once in 2013 and 2015 and also Bangkok / Chiang Mai in 2016. I stated this hobby in Patong in 2015 mainly with massage girls, tried the game in Bali in 2014 and 2017 at the massage parlors and x houses but never tried Pattaya until this year. And I am totally hooked, it is everything, city, girls, nightlife, food and beaches that I could have asked for.

I found the pricing reasonable, I spent no more than $1600 Canadian on girls and lady drinks, drinks for myself, room and lady fee; on average about 1500 baht per encounter and the food was way cheaper then anywhere in Bali and I would say even parts of Thailand. So I wouldn't say I overspent at all. I only got turned down once on Soi 6 by a girl who only goes long time with Koreans but other then that I had a %100 success rate on Soi 6 with girls between the ages of 18-24. I stayed at the Hilton on beach road but never took girls back, mostly because I had this image of what I wanted to experience in Pattaya and that was Soi 6 so I stuck with that. And yeah no real strife other then girls "having crushes and falling for me" and I know how that goes. All in all it was a great trip and I have a serious case of the Pattaya blues now that I am home but the best way to beat the Pattaya blues is to book another trip right away. Which is just what I did!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2259603]Exactly. The constant daily Pattaya bashing by ET is getting really boring really fast.[/QUOTE]Tooms is just a very straight guy when talking about what he thinks that's all. Anyways, I far more enjoy his posts compared to the constant muttering about the good old days and how much we all should pay and he paid too much and so forth. How about we say this? Pattaya is great, 700 Baht on Soi 6 is a bargain, Mr. E and his brother are the Kings of Pattaya, MP has game, and BKK Dog doesn't know shit! Is everyone happy now! LOL.

[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2260473]Here is a review of my first trip to Pattaya (heaven on earth) I am already planning my next trip in September for one month.

I turned 40 on this trip and spent 3 weeks in Pattaya and mostly spent all my time on Soi 6. I am in good shape physically, dress well when I go out looking for chicks and have a overall positive attitude when dealing with them. I went to a large selection of bars on the 6 and had a different girl or two each day. The top bars for sexy girls for me was at Mods Bar, SITC, Smoke and Mirrors, Lust, Pussyclub, Horny Bar, Foxy Bar and the Ruby Club. I spent the equivalent of $1550 canadian on all my encounters which included a drink for me, one or two lady drinks, short time room fee and fee for the lady.

It was my first trip to Pattaya, 4th time in Thailand. Have been to Patong / Bangkok twice, once in 2013 and 2015 and also Bangkok / Chiang Mai in 2016. I stated this hobby in Patong in 2015 mainly with massage girls, tried the game in Bali in 2014 and 2017 at the massage parlors and x houses but never tried Pattaya until this year. And I am totally hooked, it is everything, city, girls, nightlife, food and beaches that I could have asked for.

I found the pricing reasonable, I spent no more than $1600 Canadian on girls and lady drinks, drinks for myself, room and lady fee; on average about 1500 baht per encounter and the food was way cheaper then anywhere in Bali and I would say even parts of Thailand. So I wouldn't say I overspent at all. I only got turned down once on Soi 6 by a girl who only goes long time with Koreans but other then that I had a %100 success rate on Soi 6 with girls between the ages of 18-24. I stayed at the Hilton on beach road but never took girls back, mostly because I had this image of what I wanted to experience in Pattaya and that was Soi 6 so I stuck with that. And yeah no real strife other then girls "having crushes and falling for me" and I know how that goes. All in all it was a great trip and I have a serious case of the Pattaya blues now that I am home but the best way to beat the Pattaya blues is to book another trip right away. Which is just what I did![/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to report. I really enjoyed your post. What sticks out is the cost of a week of mongering on Soi 6 for $1500 and you probably having a blast on your 40th.

For the newbies there are also so great tidbits of knowledge to make note of such cost per encounter and having the girls fall in love with you.

[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2260473]Here is a review of my first trip to Pattaya (heaven on earth) I am already planning my next trip in September for one month.

I turned 40 on this trip and spent 3 weeks in Pattaya and mostly spent all my time on Soi 6. I am in good shape physically, dress well when I go out looking for chicks and have a overall positive attitude when dealing with them. I went to a large selection of bars on the 6 and had a different girl or two each day. The top bars for sexy girls for me was at Mods Bar, SITC, Smoke and Mirrors, Lust, Pussyclub, Horny Bar, Foxy Bar and the Ruby Club. I spent the equivalent of $1550 canadian on all my encounters which included a drink for me, one or two lady drinks, short time room fee and fee for the lady.

It was my first trip to Pattaya, 4th time in Thailand. Have been to Patong / Bangkok twice, once in 2013 and 2015 and also Bangkok / Chiang Mai in 2016. I stated this hobby in Patong in 2015 mainly with massage girls, tried the game in Bali in 2014 and 2017 at the massage parlors and x houses but never tried Pattaya until this year. And I am totally hooked, it is everything, city, girls, nightlife, food and beaches that I could have asked for.

I found the pricing reasonable, I spent no more than $1600 Canadian on girls and lady drinks, drinks for myself, room and lady fee; on average about 1500 baht per encounter and the food was way cheaper then anywhere in Bali and I would say even parts of Thailand. So I wouldn't say I overspent at all. I only got turned down once on Soi 6 by a girl who only goes long time with Koreans but other then that I had a %100 success rate on Soi 6 with girls between the ages of 18-24. I stayed at the Hilton on beach road but never took girls back, mostly because I had this image of what I wanted to experience in Pattaya and that was Soi 6 so I stuck with that. And yeah no real strife other then girls "having crushes and falling for me" and I know how that goes. All in all it was a great trip and I have a serious case of the Pattaya blues now that I am home but the best way to beat the Pattaya blues is to book another trip right away. Which is just what I did![/QUOTE]Good report Paul.

I have only walked down Soi 6 2 or 3 times in my total of 10 days in Pattaya but after reading yours and a few others I think I need to invest more time there. I think I am going too early as in my limited experience I have seen near empty bars or hardly any girls worth doing. What was your best time of day to visit the Soi?

Thanks.

Rob.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2260708]Good report Paul.

I have only walked down Soi 6 2 or 3 times in my total of 10 days in Pattaya but after reading yours and a few others I think I need to invest more time there. I think I am going too early as in my limited experience I have seen near empty bars or hardly any girls worth doing. What was your best time of day to visit the Soi?

Thanks.

Rob.[/QUOTE]I usually went close to opening or a couple of hours after, usually between 1 pm-3 pm and would stay a few hours. I never went at night as I had other stuff going on in the evening, although I walked through Soi 6 a few times at night and it did seem more lively.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2260708]I have only walked down Soi 6 2 or 3 times in my total of 10 days in Pattaya but after reading yours and a few others I think I need to invest more time there. I think I am going too early as in my limited experience I have seen near empty bars or hardly any girls worth doing. What was your best time of day to visit the Soi?[/QUOTE]Will you have time between all the freebies with 'civilian' girls?

Best time is between 4:22 pm to 7:48 pm as a warm up for walking street.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2260740]Will you have time between all the freebies with 'civilian' girls?

Best time is between 4:27 to 7:52 pm as a warm up for walking street.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. I am so glad you put the exact times as I will be working on a very tight time line. I will ensure me and my entourage synchronise our watches LOL.

I am getting cold feet regarding the freebies, I showed Lew Ashby a pic of one of the better ones and he rated her poorly LOL.

All the best.

Rob.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2260593]Tooms is just a very straight guy when talking about what he thinks that's all.[/QUOTE]And so are you, I and Mr E and there's nothing wrong with that. But there's also nothing wrong with being straightforward when someone is annoying you with certain posts and is repeating himself too much.

Which ones?

PM me and we can fix these.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2260284]Be careful guys some of these are in the wrong location or displayed twice on my quick inspection.

I reported earlier that I believe geisha has closed.

Hasn't Rioja been closed for 3 years or more?

Velvet reopened? Forgot all about that place.

Does Montana really have rooms? Are there even girls there?

How are booze and the other dark side bars these days?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259524]Why do you say that? Because you are paying more for bar girls? You are paying more for alcohol and cigarettes because the government went up on the taxes? If there has been a cost of living increase then nobody has told my landlord about it (and that is where it counts). I have been paying the same 4500 baht per month for almost the last 9 years. Let's see if anything changes in February when I sign a new contract.

I have also been paying the same 900 baht plus 60 baht tolls to get from the airport to Pattaya for as long as I can remember. So the taxi driver is not seeing it either. But I think the place that I eat breakfast has gone from 79 baht to 84 baht for the American breakfast: eggs, bacon, toast, juice, coffee or tea. So if we take that 5 baht difference and factor it into the 700 baht for a Soi 6 girl, then maybe she should be getting 40 baht more. 740 baht, which she did actually get if you add in the lady drink that I bought her!

Why insist on giving away money that there is no need to give away? If I give her more do you think she is going to say let me drop by his place and give him a free round? Do you think her pussy would have gotten any wetter? All it does it make you feel good to pay more. I already feel good without paying more. And evidently the girls have no complaints about it either.[/QUOTE]4500 THB monthly rent! Holy F at ken sh! T. That is hilarious. You are most definitely a beast to be reckoned with in Pattaya!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2260861]And so are you, I and Mr E and there's nothing wrong with that. But there's also nothing wrong with being straightforward when someone is annoying you with certain posts and is repeating himself too much.[/QUOTE]It remains to be seen if there is "nothing wrong" with that. Moderators/Admin might see such a post as simply one of those "Largely argumentative, etc. " posts, delete it and issue you a warning.

What happens if you don't make a public statement regarding how you feel about the way someone else posts, his writing style, how often and so on? Will your head explode? You know, it is entirely possible that for every one member who is annoyed by something there are two others who are entertained and further enlightened by it. Your feelings about it might be in the minority and, besides, have no relevance to the purpose of this site anyway.

Of course, if you disagree with what is being posted by anyone on its accuracy, that is a golden opportunity for you to cite or quote what specifically you disagree with and challenge it. If you can. But if you can't, then grousing about the writer's methods or whatever is probably recognized by most as a weak attempt to disagree for reasons having to do with personal issues but with no real basis for doing so.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2261114]It remains to be seen if there is "nothing wrong" with that. Moderators/Admin might see such a post as simply one of those "Largely argumentative, etc. " posts, delete it and issue you a warning.[/QUOTE]Or you could take the grouse to the Stupid Shit in Thailand thread and ask a harmless question. Like "Is it OK to call so-and-so a complete prick! Or "Why does so-and-so have be such a mofo a**hole?

Admin allows that I think.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2261138]Or you could take the grouse to the Stupid Shit in Thailand thread and ask a harmless question. Like "Is it OK to call so-and-so a complete prick! Or "Why does so-and-so have be such a mofo a**hole?

Admin allows that I think.[/QUOTE]LOL. Actually, there is some evidence that Moderators/Admin are fine with something fairly close to that in most threads lately. Or are not noticing it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2259524]Why do you say that? Because you are paying more for bar girls? You are paying more for alcohol and cigarettes because the government went up on the taxes? If there has been a cost of living increase then nobody has told my landlord about it (and that is where it counts). I have been paying the same 4500 baht per month for almost the last 9 years. Let's see if anything changes in February when I sign a new contract.

I have also been paying the same 900 baht plus 60 baht tolls to get from the airport to Pattaya for as long as I can remember. So the taxi driver is not seeing it either. But I think the place that I eat breakfast has gone from 79 baht to 84 baht for the American breakfast: eggs, bacon, toast, juice, coffee or tea. So if we take that 5 baht difference and factor it into the 700 baht for a Soi 6 girl, then maybe she should be getting 40 baht more. 740 baht, which she did actually get if you add in the lady drink that I bought her!

Why insist on giving away money that there is no need to give away? If I give her more do you think she is going to say let me drop by his place and give him a free round? Do you think her pussy would have gotten any wetter? All it does it make you feel good to pay more. I already feel good without paying more. And evidently the girls have no complaints about it either.

P.S. Today my brother bought 2 3 piece suits and 7 shirts. He told my brother 18,600 baht at first. My brother got the price to 17,000 baht. He also wanted 1500 baht to put a special lining in each suit. My brother talked him to do both for that 1500. Should I tell him to tip the guy when his clothes are ready?[/QUOTE]Even the 18,600 is too cheap for two good quality suits. I think sometimes you must pay a little more for quality as those suits will probably wear out sooner than later. Cheap fabric and cheap women can be one in the same LOL.

Just kidding about the women as I know you have a good lay of the land in Patts but if it's not too late, tell your brother to find a better tailor with better quality fabric or he will waste all that money. 17,000 is 17 soi 6 girls for most of us and 24 or you.

I bought 2 tailored suits on my first trip to pattaya. Paid 18k IIRC. One was an Armani cut and the other was Boss. They both looked like sh1t. I didn't even bring them home. Just gave it to a gogo girl to give to her Thai boyfriend. Funny story at first she said she had no thai boyfriend but when I offered 2 suits for her boyfriend she came clean and admitted she had a boyfriend.

Whenever someone visits me and asks me about suits I tell them not to do it. Don't get sucked in buying these low quality Thai suits. If you want Armani buy a real Armani!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2261198]I bought 2 tailored suits on my first trip to pattaya. Paid 18k IIRC. One was an Armani cut and the other was Boss. They both looked like sh1t. I didn't even bring them home. Just gave it to a gogo girl to give to her Thai boyfriend. Funny story at first she said she had no thai boyfriend but when I offered 2 suits for her boyfriend she came clean and admitted she had a boyfriend.

Whenever someone visits me and asks me about suits I tell them not to do it. Don't get sucked in buying these low quality Thai suits. If you want Armani buy a real Armani![/QUOTE]If you think the suits in Pattaya are bid, you should try Koh Samui. The suit was so bad, that I didn't return to collect it after the first fitting. I lost the deposit, but at least it was better than paying the full amount and then throwing the suit in the bin.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261171]Even the 18,600 is too cheap for two good quality suits. I think sometimes you must pay a little more for quality as those suits will probably wear out sooner than later. Cheap fabric and cheap women can be one in the same LOL.

Just kidding about the women as I know you have a good lay of the land in Patts but if it's not too late, tell your brother to find a better tailor with better quality fabric or he will waste all that money. 17,000 is 17 soi 6 girls for most of us and 24 or you.[/QUOTE]LOL. I have been using this tailor for at least 5 years so I know his quality. My dad and another brother even have their pictures on the wall. I send him so many people that I can't remember the last time I have had to pay him to make an item here or there for me.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2261198]I bought 2 tailored suits on my first trip to pattaya. Paid 18k IIRC. One was an Armani cut and the other was Boss. They both looked like sh1t. I didn't even bring them home. Just gave it to a gogo girl to give to her Thai boyfriend. Funny story at first she said she had no thai boyfriend but when I offered 2 suits for her boyfriend she came clean and admitted she had a boyfriend.[/QUOTE]LOL. My second time in Thailand I had shirts and pants made by the guy in the bottom of the mall across from Nana. They delivered it to the hotel at night a couple of hours before I was leaving. The shirts looked like some old Elvis bullshit so I just left them at the hotel reception. A pair of the khaki pants split in the crotch while I was on the flight home. I warn people that you can't just go to anyone having stuff made. I learned that the hard way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2261218]LOL. I have been using this tailor for at least 5 years so I know his quality. My dad and another brother even have their pictures on the wall. I send him so many people that I can't remember the last time I have had to pay him to make an item here or there for me.[/QUOTE]That's interesting that he would charge the brother more and then go down on the price if he is such a trusted comrad of yours LOL. Come on Mr. E. Me thinks there a something a funk LOL.

Seriously, if he is that good, please PM me and I will buy some stuff. I use Raja's Fashions in BKK now but I'm always open if there's a better guy.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2261198]I bought 2 tailored suits on my first trip to pattaya. Paid 18k IIRC. One was an Armani cut and the other was Boss. They both looked like sh1t. I didn't even bring them home. Just gave it to a gogo girl to give to her Thai boyfriend. Funny story at first she said she had no thai boyfriend but when I offered 2 suits for her boyfriend she came clean and admitted she had a boyfriend.

Whenever someone visits me and asks me about suits I tell them not to do it. Don't get sucked in buying these low quality Thai suits. If you want Armani buy a real Armani![/QUOTE]Totally agree. You get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261227] I use Raja's Fashions in BKK now but I'm always open if there's a better guy.[/QUOTE]Are you referring to Rajawongse on Sukhumvit next to the Landmark? They are indeed very good. I got a couple of shirts made few years ago for 1500 baht each. The other place is Tailor on Ten on Soi 8, after the Citadines. Again pretty pricey, but I favour Rajawongse.

Never tried a tailor in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2261227]That's interesting that he would charge the brother more and then go down on the price if he is such a trusted comrad of yours LOL. Come on Mr. E. Me thinks there a something a funk LOL.

Seriously, if he is that good, please PM me and I will buy some stuff. I use Raja's Fashions in BKK now but I'm always open if there's a better guy.[/QUOTE]Not taking sides, but I comprehended it differently? I read it as he sent this tailor so many customers in the past that whenever he needs an item here or there the tailor doesn't charge him due to his appreciation for the recommendations?

I'm just glad since I retired and sold everything back home that I don't own one suit, tie, or even a dress shoe. It is every day here in Thailand nothing but shorts!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2261338]
I'm just glad since I retired and sold everything back home that I don't own one suit, tie, or even a dress shoe. It is every day here in Thailand nothing but shorts![/QUOTE]Me, to Khaosan tailor tout: "Do I look like I would wear a suit?

Or socks, for that matter.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2261338]Not taking sides, but I comprehended it differently? I read it as he sent this tailor so many customers in the past that whenever he needs an item here or there the tailor doesn't charge him due to his appreciation for the recommendations?

I'm just glad since I retired and sold everything back home that I don't own one suit, tie, or even a dress shoe. It is every day here in Thailand nothing but shorts![/QUOTE]A little bit of sarcasm and look what happens. It was a joke that insinuated that if he sent this tailor so many customers, why would he not give Mr. E's brother, his own flesh and blood, the best deal. Anyways, it was not a serious comment.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2261338]Not taking sides, but I comprehended it differently? I read it as he sent this tailor so many customers in the past that whenever he needs an item here or there the tailor doesn't charge him due to his appreciation for the recommendations?

I'm just glad since I retired and sold everything back home that I don't own one suit, tie, or even a dress shoe. It is every day here in Thailand nothing but shorts![/QUOTE]The only time I wore long pants in thailand was on the day I arrived and the day I left. The only time I wore any shoe other then sandals was if I were going to be on a motor bike.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003;2261364]Me, to Khaosan tailor tout: "Do I look like I would wear a suit?

Or socks, for that matter.[/QUOTE]My response, please read 27190.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2261508]The only time I wore any shoe other then sandals was if I were going to be on a motor bike.[/QUOTE]Good choice. At the cost of sounding paternal, wear the most you can when on a bike. Yesterday as I arrived I saw a young fat foreigner with a large bruise on a thigh, he still did't got the lesson, and looked pathetic with both feet on ground to move on 1 m in traffic.

Speaking of bikes, I rented a brand new Yamaha QBIC 12. All good but there is no way they can do better than Honda. Idle stop isn't nearly as fluid, Honda ESP has a mechanism which optimally position the piston when stopping, Yamaha clearly doesn't.

After a while I positioned my piston in both bores of a sweetheart from Soi Six. Face a 6, body a 5, but 9 in performances. Petite Phi a Chill Bar.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2261198]I bought 2 tailored suits on my first trip to pattaya. Paid 18k IIRC. One was an Armani cut and the other was Boss. They both looked like sh1t. I didn't even bring them home. Just gave it to a gogo girl to give to her Thai boyfriend. Funny story at first she said she had no thai boyfriend but when I offered 2 suits for her boyfriend she came clean and admitted she had a boyfriend.

Whenever someone visits me and asks me about suits I tell them not to do it. Don't get sucked in buying these low quality Thai suits. If you want Armani buy a real Armani![/QUOTE]The last time I was in Pattaya, I walked into a tailors and told him that I wanted him to spend 45 minutes measuring me, then make a suit for somebody 3 inches taller, with the right leg 1. 5 inches shorter than the left.

He said, "I can't do that".

I said, "Well that's what you did last time!

[QUOTE=UKDude;2261994]The last time I was in Pattaya, I walked into a tailors and told him that I wanted him to spend 45 minutes measuring me, then make a suit for somebody 3 inches taller, with the right leg 1. 5 inches shorter than the left.

He said, "I can't do that".

I said, "Well that's what you did last time![/QUOTE]LOL so funny.

[QUOTE=UKDude;2261994]The last time I was in Pattaya, I walked into a tailors and told him that I wanted him to spend 45 minutes measuring me, then make a suit for somebody 3 inches taller, with the right leg 1. 5 inches shorter than the left.

He said, "I can't do that".

I said, "Well that's what you did last time![/QUOTE]LOL! Reminds me of a similar event that happened to me.

When I went to check in at BKK for my trip to Las Vegas I asked the agent to please send one of my bags to San Francisco, and the other to Mexico City.

She of course said that they couldn't do that.

I said "Of course you can; you did it to me on my last trip. ".

*I posted this on another forum. I thought I would drop it here too.

Over a decade of mongering - 1st trip to Pattaya & my Dumbass falls in "Love".

I've been mongering for well over a decade. I know better. I thought I was a seasoned vet and knew what I was getting into. It was a lifetime dream to finally make my way to Thailand. I went with a buddy who is new to mongering but has been wanting to travel. I was worried if I would be able to shake him long enough to get in trouble. He wanted to do all the tourist stuff so we made 'day trip' plans for 5 of the 8 days we would be there. Little did I know we would both meet someone on our second day who we both spent the rest of our week with. I did not know about the 3 days rule, but to be honest it wouldn't have mattered. I was hooked after the first LT.

After 2 flights and 20 hours in the air we finally arrived in Bangkok. Stepped out of the airport and between the heat and the humidity I wanted to turn around and go back home. The heat was oppressive. After asking around for options for transportation we finally find the cheap option of the tour bus ($3) and wait for that. After a nice air conditioned ride we were both excited to finally be on our way after a long year of planning. A few hours and a baht bus later we arrived at our hotel on Soi 8. We check in, shower and make our way to the infamous Soi 6. Little did I know I was going to find more than I bargained for or was prepared for. We get to Soi 6 and a girl runs from a bar and grabs me. I explain to her I was tired, I just got here and I'm just looking. She protests but finally reluctantly lets me go. By the time I get the the end of the block a tiny, stunning girl who was just my type convinces me to take her upstairs. My buddy finds a girl at the same bar who he is into and we both head upstairs. I see him again in the hall as we pass each other only wearing towels and being lead by our respected ladies. I get in the room she starts with an "OK" BBBJ and follows up riding me to completion. Good time, but this is not my first rodeo. I thank her and meet my buddy downstairs. We head back to our hotel and I take my 4th shower of the day and agree to meet up with my friend after a short nap. We meet later that night and take the Baht bus to walking street for the first time. It's a lot to talk in the first time. We go into a few Gogos and nothing blows my mind. Not my scene and I already know the girls are out of my planned budget. After a few hours we go back to the hotel and turn in for the evening. I end up waking up around 4 am (which ended up happening every night) and I go outside and sit on the curb of my hotel to people watch. Soi 8 is pretty quiet around this time. I play with the local stray cat and marvel at the people who work at the open air bars who sleep there since there is no way to lock the place up. Around 4:30 am I see a robed barefoot Monk coming down the street. He comes up to me and gives me a blessing and and I put a handful of bahts in his bowl. I made a habit of this every night for the rest of my trip. It was one of the highlights of the trip as I've long been attracted to Buddhism. The next day we do a day trip to an Elephant village. While my buddy is riding an elephant I got to hold a 6 month old gibbons monkey for half an hour. Another highlight of the trip. We make our way back to the hotel and I'm completely wiped out from the heat and feel heat stroke coming on. I shower and agree to meet up with my friend in a few hours. We make our way to Soi 6 again and the girl who was the first to grab me on day one grabs me again and says "remember me?" You said you where to tired yesterday and I saw you go with another girl. I thought to myself, man if this girl wants me to go with her this bad I would be an idiot not to go upstairs with her. We go inside and get a drink. Her English is good and she is sweet and pushing all my buttons. I'm finding her more and more attractive as we chat. She asks if I'm ready to go upstairs and I say yes. We go upstairs and take a shower together. Her body is amazing and she is making me feel at ease. We make our way to the bed for a mediocre BBBJ. She grabs a condom and proceeds to ride me. I don't know if it was the heat stroker earlier in the day or the super thick condom but I was not able to finish. I tell her it is not going to happen. She gets off of me and asks if I finished with the girl I was with yesterday? I say yes and she give me a look like challenge accepted. She asks if I want to go long time back at my hotel. I explain to her that I had a long day and maybe I should get some rest. I agree to see her tomorrow to try again with my condoms. I ask what time she gets there and I agree to meet her at that time. I go home take a nap and wake up at 4 am again. She is still on my mind. I find this strange and it is making me feel lonely. How can I be feeling lonely in Pattaya with 10's of thousand of available women? I find myself on the curb of my hotel again. Getting blessed again. I'm approached by an older, not hot aggressive freelancer who will not take no for an answer. I tell her I'm staying at this hotel if she wants to come in. She says no, we must go to her hotel. This seems like a huge red flag to me. She still will not take no for an answer. I finally give in and she drags me 6 blocks to a hotel off the beaten path. It's a terrible room. She proceeds to 'prep the room'. She is taping the curtains to the walls so no one can see in. She is blocking the door with chairs. I'm starting to freak out a bit. I'm starting to feel like I'm in an episode of Dexter where he is prepping a kill room. This goes on for what feels like 15 minutes. We end up having surprisingly good sex. I think my fear of being murdered and having my organs harvested added to the excitement. By the time we are done the sun comes up and she points me back to my hotel. I meet my buddy for breakfast and tell him the story and we are both cracking up. We head for a massage at Nemos. On the way I turn to my friend and say "We have turned down sex at least 35 times in the last 20 minutes. Who would of thought!" After the massage I head to go meet the girl from the day before on Soi 6. I get there at the same time she does. I longtime her and we head back to my hotel. We ended up spending the entire day and night in my room only stopping to go to dinner. She slowly starts understanding that the whole jam her tongue down my throat is not my style and we end up slow kissing for well over 4 hours in bed while cuddling. Taking breaks to have sex. I felt like I was in high school again. She falls asleep in my arms and I know I'm in trouble with this one. I caress her back as she sleeps and she has the softest skin I have felt in my entire life. Felt like Versace silk shirt. We wake up in the morning. We both are getting ready and I'm getting sad that she is leaving. I tell her I'm going to miss her. She says "if you miss me, you know where to find me" . Ouch! Touche! I explain I have a day trip planned with me friend. I meet my buddy for breakfast and I tell him "I'm in trouble with this one!" We go to tiger park and play with tiger cubs. The heat is still getting to me and by the time I get back I'm exhausted. My friend and I agree to meet up that night to go out. She is still on my mind. My friend and I meet up later that night and head to LK Metro to check out Kink which I had been reading great things about. Upstairs was madness! Amazing! I live a few hours from Tijuana Mexico and there is a similar club there called Hong Kong that I highly recommend. I drag my friend out who has started buy drinks for our hostess and a half a dozen girls. Knowing he is on a budget too, it quickly became apparent that this is going to get ugly fast. She is still on my mind. We get out of there and make our way to Ibar. The place is packed. Being a bit of an introvert, the place is giving me anxiety I leave and go sit on a curb outside the club to people watch. I get attacked by a drunk (and homeless?) freelancer who I can't shake. No does not mean no in Thailand apparently. After 30 minutes she figures it out. Shortly after my buddy comes out looking for me and I tell him to go back in and enjoy himself. I'm going to head back to the hotel. I end up sitting on the curb most of the night in front of my hotel. A middle aged freelancer in street clothes chats me up for an hour. She convinces me to take her to my room were we proceed to have the worst sex of the trip. I did not even come close to finishing. She stays the night. I laid there all night wishing she would leave. She is still on my mind. I meet my buddy for breakfast and recapp our evenings. He meet a FL at iBar who he brought back to the hotel. He is vibing with her pretty hard and she is still in his room. I tell him the Soi 6 girl is still on my mind and I think I'm going to go try and get her again. I show up a bit before I know she gets there hoping not to miss her. She arrives and sees me and smiles. I pay her bar fine and spend the rest of the week with her. My friend does the same thing with his iBar freelancer. The week quickly comes to an end and both my friend and I are head over heels with our girls. How the hell did I get myself in this situation? Our final night approaches and we agree to all have dinner together. We meet outside the hotel and make our way to the beer garden over the water. I'm not a drinker but everyone else is drinking and my buddy is like "Come on. It's our final night. Let's celebrate". Dinner goes great. I'm one beer in and already a bit tipsy. Yes I'm a light weight. We decide to go a sit down club to watch this band that plays live are&be and dance music. After an hour or so and and few more beers I'm drunk. My buddies lady is pushing to go dancing which I do not do. We all leave the club and I was like fuck this. I stop mid walking street and start paying out my girl for her time and was telling her to have a good time. Again, I'm drunk. She puts the money in my pocket and sweetly grabs me by the hand and proceeds to get me safely back to the hotel. We shower and proceed to have the best sex of the trip. She's on top. I feel a pop and it starts feeling way too good. I tell her she should check the condom. The room is dark she gets off, checks and says we are good. We continue and I finish inside of her. HARD. She gets off and starts to freak out. The condom had in fact broken. She runs to the bathroom where she proceeds to spray herself out with the hose attached to the toilet. She comes back and I apologise. She said, you don't need to apologise, it is my fault. I tell her it is OK and and she settles into my arms. We make out the rest of the night. I have Aerosmith's "I don't want to miss a thing" playing in my head and I don't even like that fucking song. I'm fucked. She wakes up a few hours before I need to check out of the hotel. We pick up where we left off before she fell asleep and start kissing. Somehow I end up going down on her. Something I never do when I P4P. She is going nuts and orgasming over and over again for 30 minutes. She is sopping wet. She pulls me onto her and I enter her bare in missionary. We make slow love while making out for the next 20 minutes and I finish deep and hard inside of her and collapse. I finally get up to shower and pack. It is about the time she should be returning to her place but she stays to see me off. I tip her the deposit I get back from the hotel. She put me and my buddy in our cab to BKK and I feel my eyes start to tear up. I need to get my shit together. The final night we were together she had added me to her facebook messenger. She messages me to have a safe trip home and that she missed me. I said I was sad and she said not to be. We finally get to the airport. She is still on my mind. We are messaging back and forth until I get on the plane. 20+ hours later I land in LAX LOS Angeles. Nothing feels the same as it did before. I'm not happy to be home. I feel sick to my stomach. I can't sleep. Her and I continue talking over the next 2 weeks facetiming for 2-3 hours everyday. We fall more and more in love. We start talking about how soon I can come back. She has facetime sex with me 1-2 times a day. I'm fucking head over hills for this girl. I'm considering quitting my job, selling my shit and moving to Thailand. I'll make it work. For the 2 weeks since I left she stopped doing long-times. She video chats with me for an hour when she gets home from the Bar. She says she has stopped doing LT because she knows it would hurt me. That is until an evening of week 3 when she goes MIA. I know she must be doing a long time. She stops replying instantly to my messages. Replying with only one word answers hours after I sent them. After 3 days of this she tells me a regular has come to town to see her and she is on an island with him. She tells me she will be there for a week and cannot talk. It has now been 10 days. I'm losing my fucking mind. She never asked me for money. But we made plans and she said she wanted to take it slow but we joked about getting married and having kids together. Over the last week I've have been killing myself by watching Soi6 videos on YouTube where I see her in them. It kills me. I find my way to this forum where I see a few post made about her and this twists the knife even more. I'm taking this harder than my divorce a few years ago. My friends are like you have to block her on facebook and forget about her. I tell them they are right but it is like telling a crack addict to put down the pipe because they are ruining their life. I'm not stupid. I knew it would never work. I was hoping to go spend a month with her which would be long enough to get past the honeymoon period, have a fight, and be done with it. But I have no such closure. Reading stories here on this site has been helping get through the days. Reading that I'm not the only one. Reading that others have a hard time returning home and not shaking the "Pattaya illusion". For the last week I have been seeing all my local P4P regulars hoping that would help. It hasn't. I'm wondering if I should go back to Pattaya and sleep with a bunch of young Thai hotties but I worry I will be even more fucked. I'm super depressed and hoping this will pass enough time. Thailand was more than I could of expected, and at the same time much worse than I expected. My buddy is in contact with his girl. She has stopped working. He is looking at wedding rings. I'm worried about him and She is still on my mind.

[QUOTE=David2;2262276]LOL! Reminds me of a similar event that happened to me.

When I went to check in at BKK for my trip to Las Vegas I asked the agent to please send one of my bags to San Francisco, and the other to Mexico City.

She of course said that they couldn't do that.

I said "Of course you can; you did it to me on my last trip. ".[/QUOTE]At times it is no one's fault, but the handiwork of a mischievous baggage handler. I am imaging the smirk on his face when he switched each of those baggage tags.

[URL]https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/baggage-handler-charged-for-allegedly-swapping-tags-on-bags-at-9234362[/URL]

Excellent report, interesting and informative. Most of us can understand your emotions. Thailand is full of women that can do those things to us.

Your task at hand is to prepare a path forward that leads to your happiness. Never forget that the bar girls of Thailand provide a holiday illusion, not a lifetime of bliss. I'm sure you now realize that they are much better at their jobs than the puta of Tijuana.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]*I posted this on another forum. I thought I would drop it here too.

Over a decade of mongering - 1st trip to Pattaya & my Dumbass falls in "Love"..[/QUOTE]Wow. Seems you had the real Pattaya experience! Great story (a few enters might have helped).

My Pattaya experience? Most woman I met also prefer the BF-style. Tricky but oh so much fun.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]I've been mongering for well over a decade. I know better. I thought I was a seasoned vet and knew what I was getting into. It was a lifetime dream to finally make my way to Thailand. I went with a buddy who is new to mongering but has been wanting to travel. I was worried if I would be able to shake him long enough to get in trouble. He wanted to do all the tourist stuff so we made 'day trip' plans for 5 of the 8 days we would be there. Little did I know we would both meet someone on our second day who we both spent the rest of our week with. I did not know about the 3 days rule, but to be honest it wouldn't have mattered. I was hooked after the first LT.[/QUOTE]This is a fictional story right? You have been planning a trip for an entire year, yet when you arrive at the airport you have no idea of the ways to go to Pattaya?

Why does everyone always think their friends and family do not like hookers the same as they do? You wanted to shake your friend to go find hookers, yet the first thing both of you do when getting to Pattaya is go get hookers together? Seems he didn't need a lot of coaxing.

Instead of hunting, seems you spent a lot of your time being hunted. I don't remember reading a case where you wanted a chick and you approached that chick. It was always a chick came pestering you and you gave in. So I find it hard to believe that you would return to Thailand and fuck "a bunch of young Thai hotties" since you didn't even do it on this trip. I kept reading "middle aged freelancer convinces me."

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]We make our way to Soi 6 again and the girl who was the first to grab me on day one grabs me again and says "remember me?" You said you where to tired yesterday and I saw you go with another girl. I thought to myself, man if this girl wants me to go with her this bad I would be an idiot not to go upstairs with her.[/QUOTE]LOL. Fell for the hard sell eh? You should have thought man if this girl wants me to go with her this bad she must be really hard up for money. e.g. Remember how bad the middle aged freelancers wanted you to go with them? Grab you and remember you: that is just what chicks do on Soi 6. Standard Operating Procedure.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346] I felt like I was in high school again. She falls asleep in my arms and I know I'm in trouble with this one. I caress her back as she sleeps and she has the softest skin I have felt in my entire life. Felt like Versace silk shirt. We wake up in the morning. We both are getting ready and I'm getting sad that she is leaving. I tell her I'm going to miss her. She says "if you miss me, you know where to find me" . Ouch! Touche![/QUOTE]This is my experience with most of the freelancers in the discos. There was nothing special about this girl. This scenario should have been happening to you everyday, but with a different chick. If you would have stuck it out in iBar you would have realized this - but I guess your wingman realized it for you. When thousands of chicks are around, catch and release is the name of the game. I am like a kid in a candy store. Maybe if there were only 100 chicks to choose from then I would consider wifeing up.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]We head for a massage at Nemos.[/QUOTE]Best deal in Pattaya. They have a bunch of 2 hour specials for like 250 baht. My brother could not stay out of that place last week.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2262579]Never forget that the bar girls of Thailand provide a holiday illusion, not a lifetime of bliss. I'm sure you now realize that they are much better at their jobs than the puta of Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I have been going to TJ way longer than Thailand, but for some reason I sometimes screw up and forget to go over a checklist with TJ chicks. Hopefully I will remember when I am there tomorrow. I want blowjob, doggy style, missionary, reverse cowgirl, suck your tittays, and take off all your clothes. Shit that is just a given in Thailand you have to get pre-approved for in TJ.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]*I posted this on another forum. I thought I would drop it here too.

Over a decade of mongering - 1st trip to Pattaya & my Dumbass falls in "Love".[/QUOTE]I hope I am not too late. Please tell your buddy to stop dead in his tracks. His girl is taking his money and still fucking oher guys and working. She will take him for everything. As for you, man the fuck up! Just know that your girl is being ridden more than every horse in the West now. These girls are for fun only and believe me they know it. Stop! Drop! And Roll! The best way to get over her is to meet another one just like her. Believe me, she has many just like you and your buddy's girl has many like him too. Stop before it's too late. You or your buddy don't need to be read about jumping off your balcony in Pattaya because of a failed relationship with a bar girl and nothing left to show for it! Again, man up!

More good advice from another member. Please take it.


[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2262538]Quite possible. But for me, when I think of chicks in my past that I should have or could have stuck with, not one hooker comes to mind, only regular chicks. I would think one of the primary tenets of a lifetime partner is choosing someone that is not with you for what you have because you may not have it tomorrow. That pretty much rules out all hookers since they are with you because you are giving them money.[/QUOTE]


Run like the wind!!!

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2262614]I hope I am not too late. Please tell your buddy to stop dead in his tracks. His girl is taking his money and still fucking oher guys and working. She will take him for everything. As for you, man the fuck up! Just know that your girl is being ridden more than every horse in the West now. These girls are for fun only and believe me they know it. Stop! Drop! And Roll! The best way to get over her is to meet another one just like her. Believe me, she has many just like you and your buddy's girl has many like him too. Stop before it's too late. You or your buddy don't need to be read about jumping off your balcony in Pattaya because of a failed relationship with a bar girl and nothing left to show for it! Again, man up![/QUOTE]I'm trying to talk some sense into him.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262590]This is a fictional story right? You have been planning a trip for an entire year, yet when you arrive at the airport you have no idea of the ways to go to Pattaya?[/QUOTE]Sorry if you did not like my post. All 100% true. We planned trip for a year. My buddy wanted to take a private taxi which was expensive. The notes I had taken down from research said to go to bus station. Which didn't make sense when we got there. I probably didn't need to clear this up since I'm sure you already know how to get there. But whatever.

I shared my story partly to hopefully get some closure for myself. Partly as a warning to other soft heart mongers like myself. And hopefully for some entertainment.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]After 2 flights and 20 hours in the air we finally arrived in Bangkok. Stepped out of the airport and between the heat and the humidity I wanted to turn around and go back home. The heat was oppressive. After asking around for options for transportation we finally find the cheap option of the tour bus ($3) and wait for that. .[/QUOTE]After spending a grand each on airfare the two of you balk at a $40 air conditioned taxi ride as soon as you walk out of the airport.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2262679]After spending a grand each on airfare the two of you balk at a $40 air conditioned taxi ride as soon as you walk out of the airport.[/QUOTE]Flight was $650 round trip. $3 for AC buss with leg room vs the $40 cab ride we took from Pattaya to BKK that sucked. Also, I was on a budget. But thanks for busting my balls.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2262679]After spending a grand each on airfare the two of you balk at a $40 air conditioned taxi ride as soon as you walk out of the airport.[/QUOTE]They said they were on a budget though, so of course they would want to save where they could. Especially when you could get the same air conditioned taxi ride for $30 by going to the 4th floor, why pay $40?

If I have not met someone on the flight to split the taxi with and it is during bus hours, then I will go downstairs to see if there is space on the next bus and how much time until it leaves. If there is no space or a considerable amount of time until the next one leaves, then I will go to the 4th floor and take a taxi. You are looking at pretty much the same time whether you take the bus or take a taxi, while the taxi is a minimum 8 times more the cost of the bus.

Although I don't always agree with Mr E, he makes a great deal of sense below.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262590]instead of hunting, seems you spent a lot of your time being hunted. I don't remember reading a case where you wanted a chick and you approached that chick. It was always a chick came pestering you and you gave in. So I find it hard to believe that you would return to Thailand and fuck "a bunch of young Thai hotties" since you didn't even do it on this trip. I kept reading "middle aged freelancer convinces me." LOL.

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Fell for the hard sell eh? You should have thought man if this girl wants me to go with her this bad she must be really hard up for money. e.g. Remember how bad the middle aged freelancers wanted you to go with them? Grab you and remember you: that is just what chicks do on Soi 6. Standard Operating Procedure. [/QUOTE]To JW,

Frankly it's kind of hard to believe your story. The Soi 6 girl whom you claim you are so madly in love with would not have got to 1st base with me. I don't tolerate aggresive hookers plus I am well aware of the quality level of Soi 6 girls of which very few can raise my desire high enough for even a quick, cheap, roll in the hay. In any case, so she is now getting laid left & right which is her job, BTW, and not answering your messages on a timely basis. Boo Hoo. Why don't you send her some money? Perhaps she will be more faithful or at least more responsive. 555.

But seriously, just in case you are on the level, either find a nice girl next door type (a total amateur), date her, marry her and never punt again or Man UP, look forward to your next trip, see your Soi 6 girl if you want, but only after shagging 4 or 5 other girls, and for Buddhas sake work on your passive approach of letting any girl that comes your way pick you up. If you can't turn this weakness around you should not be out there mongering. You will only get into some serious trouble and end up giving all your money away for naught.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262623]Sorry if you did not like my post. All 100% true. I shared my story partly to hopefully get some closure for myself. Partly as a warning to other soft heart mongers like myself. And hopefully for some entertainment.[/QUOTE]I loved your post. It is always great to get a new person's perspective. My first time to Pattaya me and a wingman went from Bangkok to see a chick that was a hairdresser that I met on Thai Love Links. We only stayed one night before returning to Bangkok, but knew we would be back again soon. Once she showed us inside of Lucifer Disco we were sold on Pattaya. When the chick that my wingman had in Bangkok found out we were going she got sad and told him that she knew he would not want to see her again. He asked why not. She said because there are too many women there.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262702]Mr E makes a lot of sense.To JW, frankly it's kind of hard to believe your story. The Soi 6 girl whom you claim you are so madly in love with would not have got to 1st base with me. So now she is getting laid right and left which is her job, BTW, and not answering your messges on a timely basis. Boo Hoo. Why don't you send her some money? Perhaps she will be more faithful.[/QUOTE]Which part are you having troubles believing? Thanks for kicking me while I'm down. Happy holidays my friend.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262701]They said they were on a budget though.[/QUOTE]The 'budget' was for the girls, $20 each for a private ride to Pattaya is worth its weight in gold.

JW,

Very nice post. I applaud your courage to share your most intimate thoughts with us. You are an engaging and humorous writer. I'm also surprised to see a few of our fellow mongers beating up on you. We should encourage people to make post like yours rather than beating them up with trivia. They may be more savvy mongers, but you are much better storyteller.

Here is my analysis of your post. You recently went thru a divorce. You are most likely craving for love and affection. In Thailand you found one girl who seemingly gave you what you want. She may have even developed some feelings for you. But since you were not sending her a generous monthly allowance, when another generous customer came along she decided to take the bird in hand. She may have taken it even if you had been sending her money.

In Thailand and in the Philippines there are millions of young non-working women who would cherish your affection, would marry you, move to the United States and have children with you. They are very easy to find. So if that is what you are truly looking for I recommend not looking for them at Soi 6. The girls in the Philippines may actually be a better match since they generally speak English well. So what I recommend is get your ass back in Asia, do a little research, find an attractive civilian girl, marry her, bring her back to the US, and eventually give her a baby. Because given the way you behaved in Pattaya, deep down you are looking for steady female companionship, not a rotation of working girls.

For your friend, remind him of the adage "You can take a girl out of the bar but you can't take the bar out of the girl". He too can easily find a civilian Thai girl who is equally beautiful and available. If what you're looking for his marriage, it's better not to seek your partners in Insomnia, Soi 6, or elsewhere in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]*I posted this on another forum. I thought I would drop it here too.

Over a decade of mongering - 1st trip to Pattaya & my Dumbass falls in "Love".

I've been mongering for well over a decade. I know better. I thought I was a seasoned vet and knew what I was getting into. It was a lifetime dream to finally make my way to Thailand. I went with a buddy who is new to mongering but has been wanting to travel. I was worried if I would be able to shake him long enough to get in trouble. He wanted to do all the tourist stuff so we made 'day trip' plans for 5 of the 8 days we would be there. Little did I know we would both meet someone on our second day who we both spent the rest of our week with. I did not know about the 3 days rule, but to be honest it wouldn't have mattered. I was hooked after the first LT.

After 2 flights and 20 hours in the air we finally arrived in Bangkok. Stepped out of the airport and between the heat and the humidity I wanted to turn around and go back home. The heat was oppressive. After asking around for options for transportation we finally find the cheap option of the tour bus ($3) and wait for that. After a nice air conditioned ride we were both excited to finally be on our way after a long year of planning. A few hours and a baht bus later we arrived at our hotel on Soi 8. We check in, shower and make our way to the infamous Soi 6. Little did I know I was going to find more than I bargained for or was prepared for. We get to Soi 6 and a girl runs from a bar and grabs me. I explain to her I was tired, I just got here and I'm just looking. She protests but finally reluctantly lets me go. By the time I get the the end of the block a tiny, stunning girl who was just my type convinces me to take her upstairs. My buddy finds a girl at the same bar who he is into and we both head upstairs. I see him again in the hall as we pass each other only wearing towels and being lead by our respected ladies. I get in the room she starts with an "OK" BBBJ and follows up riding me to completion. Good time, but this is not my first rodeo. I thank her and meet my buddy downstairs. We head back to our hotel and I take my 4th shower of the day and agree to meet up with my friend after a short nap. We meet later that night and take the Baht bus to walking street for the first time. It's a lot to talk in the first time. We go into a few Gogos and nothing blows my mind. Not my scene and I already know the girls are out of my planned budget. After a few hours we go back to the hotel and turn in for the evening. I end up waking up around 4 am (which ended up happening every night) and I go outside and sit on the curb of my hotel to people watch. Soi 8 is pretty quiet around this time. I play with the local stray cat and marvel at the people who work at the open air bars who sleep there since there is no way to lock the place up. Around 4:30 am I see a robed barefoot Monk coming down the street. He comes up to me and gives me a blessing and and I put a handful of bahts in his bowl. I made a habit of this every night for the rest of my trip. It was one of the highlights of the trip as I've long been attracted to Buddhism. The next day we do a day trip to an Elephant village. While my buddy is riding an elephant I got to hold a 6 month old gibbons monkey for half an hour. Another highlight of the trip. We make our way back to the hotel and I'm completely wiped out from the heat and feel heat stroke coming on. I shower and agree to meet up with my friend in a few hours. We make our way to Soi 6 again and the girl who was the first to grab me on day one grabs me again and says "remember me?" You said you where to tired yesterday and I saw you go with another girl. I thought to myself, man if this girl wants me to go with her this bad I would be an idiot not to go upstairs with her. We go inside and get a drink. Her English is good and she is sweet and pushing all my buttons. I'm finding her more and more attractive as we chat. She asks if I'm ready to go upstairs and I say yes. We go upstairs and take a shower together. Her body is amazing and she is making me feel at ease. We make our way to the bed for a mediocre BBBJ. She grabs a condom and proceeds to ride me. I don't know if it was the heat stroker earlier in the day or the super thick condom but I was not able to finish. I tell her it is not going to happen. She gets off of me and asks if I finished with the girl I was with yesterday? I say yes and she give me a look like challenge accepted. She asks if I want to go long time back at my hotel. I explain to her that I had a long day and maybe I should get some rest. I agree to see her tomorrow to try again with my condoms. I ask what time she gets there and I agree to meet her at that time. I go home take a nap and wake up at 4 am again. She is still on my mind. I find this strange and it is making me feel lonely. How can I be feeling lonely in Pattaya with 10's of thousand of available women? I find myself on the curb of my hotel again. Getting blessed again. I'm approached by an older, not hot aggressive freelancer who will not take no for an answer. I tell her I'm staying at this hotel if she wants to come in. She says no, we must go to her hotel. This seems like a huge red flag to me. She still will not take no for an answer. I finally give in and she drags me 6 blocks to a hotel off the beaten path. It's a terrible room. She proceeds to 'prep the room'. She is taping the curtains to the walls so no one can see in. She is blocking the door with chairs. I'm starting to freak out a bit. I'm starting to feel like I'm in an episode of Dexter where he is prepping a kill room. This goes on for what feels like 15 minutes. We end up having surprisingly good sex. I think my fear of being murdered and having my organs harvested added to the excitement. By the time we are done the sun comes up and she points me back to my hotel. I meet my buddy for breakfast and tell him the story and we are both cracking up. We head for a massage at Nemos. On the way I turn to my friend and say "We have turned down sex at least 35 times in the last 20 minutes. Who would of thought!" After the massage I head to go meet the girl from the day before on Soi 6. I get there at the same time she does. I longtime her and we head back to my hotel. We ended up spending the entire day and night in my room only stopping to go to dinner. She slowly starts understanding that the whole jam her tongue down my throat is not my style and we end up slow kissing for well over 4 hours in bed while cuddling. Taking breaks to have sex. I felt like I was in high school again. She falls asleep in my arms and I know I'm in trouble with this one. I caress her back as she sleeps and she has the softest skin I have felt in my entire life. Felt like Versace silk shirt. We wake up in the morning. We both are getting ready and I'm getting sad that she is leaving. I tell her I'm going to miss her. She says "if you miss me, you know where to find me" . Ouch! Touche! I explain I have a day trip planned with me friend. I meet my buddy for breakfast and I tell him "I'm in trouble with this one!" We go to tiger park and play with tiger cubs. The heat is still getting to me and by the time I get back I'm exhausted. My friend and I agree to meet up that night to go out. She is still on my mind. My friend and I meet up later that night and head to LK Metro to check out Kink which I had been reading great things about. Upstairs was madness! Amazing! I live a few hours from Tijuana Mexico and there is a similar club there called Hong Kong that I highly recommend. I drag my friend out who has started buy drinks for our hostess and a half a dozen girls. Knowing he is on a budget too, it quickly became apparent that this is going to get ugly fast. She is still on my mind. We get out of there and make our way to Ibar. The place is packed. Being a bit of an introvert, the place is giving me anxiety I leave and go sit on a curb outside the club to people watch. I get attacked by a drunk (and homeless?) freelancer who I can't shake. No does not mean no in Thailand apparently. After 30 minutes she figures it out. Shortly after my buddy comes out looking for me and I tell him to go back in and enjoy himself. I'm going to head back to the hotel. I end up sitting on the curb most of the night in front of my hotel. A middle aged freelancer in street clothes chats me up for an hour. She convinces me to take her to my room were we proceed to have the worst sex of the trip. I did not even come close to finishing. She stays the night. I laid there all night wishing she would leave. She is still on my mind. I meet my buddy for breakfast and recapp our evenings. He meet a FL at iBar who he brought back to the hotel. He is vibing with her pretty hard and she is still in his room. I tell him the Soi 6 girl is still on my mind and I think I'm going to go try and get her again. I show up a bit before I know she gets there hoping not to miss her. She arrives and sees me and smiles. I pay her bar fine and spend the rest of the week with her. My friend does the same thing with his iBar freelancer. The week quickly comes to an end and both my friend and I are head over heels with our girls. How the hell did I get myself in this situation? Our final night approaches and we agree to all have dinner together. We meet outside the hotel and make our way to the beer garden over the water. I'm not a drinker but everyone else is drinking and my buddy is like "Come on. It's our final night. Let's celebrate". Dinner goes great. I'm one beer in and already a bit tipsy. Yes I'm a light weight. We decide to go a sit down club to watch this band that plays live are&be and dance music. After an hour or so and and few more beers I'm drunk. My buddies lady is pushing to go dancing which I do not do. We all leave the club and I was like fuck this. I stop mid walking street and start paying out my girl for her time and was telling her to have a good time. Again, I'm drunk. She puts the money in my pocket and sweetly grabs me by the hand and proceeds to get me safely back to the hotel. We shower and proceed to have the best sex of the trip. She's on top. I feel a pop and it starts feeling way too good. I tell her she should check the condom. The room is dark she gets off, checks and says we are good. We continue and I finish inside of her. HARD. She gets off and starts to freak out. The condom had in fact broken. She runs to the bathroom where she proceeds to spray herself out with the hose attached to the toilet. She comes back and I apologise. She said, you don't need to apologise, it is my fault. I tell her it is OK and and she settles into my arms. We make out the rest of the night. I have Aerosmith's "I don't want to miss a thing" playing in my head and I don't even like that fucking song. I'm fucked. She wakes up a few hours before I need to check out of the hotel. We pick up where we left off before she fell asleep and start kissing. Somehow I end up going down on her. Something I never do when I P4P. She is going nuts and orgasming over and over again for 30 minutes. She is sopping wet. She pulls me onto her and I enter her bare in missionary. We make slow love while making out for the next 20 minutes and I finish deep and hard inside of her and collapse. I finally get up to shower and pack. It is about the time she should be returning to her place but she stays to see me off. I tip her the deposit I get back from the hotel. She put me and my buddy in our cab to BKK and I feel my eyes start to tear up. I need to get my shit together. The final night we were together she had added me to her facebook messenger. She messages me to have a safe trip home and that she missed me. I said I was sad and she said not to be. We finally get to the airport. She is still on my mind. We are messaging back and forth until I get on the plane. 20+ hours later I land in LAX LOS Angeles. Nothing feels the same as it did before. I'm not happy to be home. I feel sick to my stomach. I can't sleep. Her and I continue talking over the next 2 weeks facetiming for 2-3 hours everyday. We fall more and more in love. We start talking about how soon I can come back. She has facetime sex with me 1-2 times a day. I'm fucking head over hills for this girl. I'm considering quitting my job, selling my shit and moving to Thailand. I'll make it work. For the 2 weeks since I left she stopped doing long-times. She video chats with me for an hour when she gets home from the Bar. She says she has stopped doing LT because she knows it would hurt me. That is until an evening of week 3 when she goes MIA. I know she must be doing a long time. She stops replying instantly to my messages. Replying with only one word answers hours after I sent them. After 3 days of this she tells me a regular has come to town to see her and she is on an island with him. She tells me she will be there for a week and cannot talk. It has now been 10 days. I'm losing my fucking mind. She never asked me for money. But we made plans and she said she wanted to take it slow but we joked about getting married and having kids together. Over the last week I've have been killing myself by watching Soi6 videos on YouTube where I see her in them. It kills me. I find my way to this forum where I see a few post made about her and this twists the knife even more. I'm taking this harder than my divorce a few years ago. My friends are like you have to block her on facebook and forget about her. I tell them they are right but it is like telling a crack addict to put down the pipe because they are ruining their life. I'm not stupid. I knew it would never work. I was hoping to go spend a month with her which would be long enough to get past the honeymoon period, have a fight, and be done with it. But I have no such closure. Reading stories here on this site has been helping get through the days. Reading that I'm not the only one. Reading that others have a hard time returning home and not shaking the "Pattaya illusion". For the last week I have been seeing all my local P4P regulars hoping that would help. It hasn't. I'm wondering if I should go back to Pattaya and sleep with a bunch of young Thai hotties but I worry I will be even more fucked. I'm super depressed and hoping this will pass enough time. Thailand was more than I could of expected, and at the same time much worse than I expected. My buddy is in contact with his girl. She has stopped working. He is looking at wedding rings. I'm worried about him and She is still on my mind.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2262923]The girls in the Philippines may actually be a better match since they generally speak English well. So what I recommend is get your ass back in Asia, do a little research, find an attractive civilian girl, marry her, bring her back to the US, and eventually give her a baby.[/QUOTE]So in the midst of feeling sorry for him, you recommend something to totally destroy the guy? While it may seem that Filipinas are speaking English, they are only able to mimic the sounds and have a minimal understanding of the language. They are dumb as posts. At the resort I asked for grilled cheese and the broad tells me there is only grilled ham and cheese. On the plane I asked for Grand Marnier and pineapple and she brings me only pineapple. I said I wanted GM & P. While holding my glass full of pineapple she says sorry sir but we don't have pineapple juice. And should I dare mention tampo?

A decade back this book was recommended to everyone visiting Thailand for the first time, older folks on this forum might remember it. Had helped quite a few to avoid falling into the trap of the bar girls.

Private Dancer by Stephan Leather. As per Pattaya Mall. Should be compulsory reading for all first timers to Thailand.

PDF available for free download.

I felt its a very well written book detailing the bar experiences of a Brit guy visiting Thailand and I have to admit some of the sections were damn funny, sometimes while reading almost fell off my chair or choked on food or spilled coffee while LMFAO.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262590]You should have thought man if this girl wants me to go with her this bad she must be really hard up for money. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2262702]The Soi 6 girl whom you claim you are so madly in love with would not have got to 1st base with me. I don't tolerate aggresive hookers plus I am well aware of the quality level of Soi 6 girls of which very few can raise my desire high enough for even a quick, cheap, roll in the hay. In any case, so she is now getting laid left & right which is her job, BTW, and not answering your messages on a timely basis. Boo Hoo. Why don't you send her some money? Perhaps she will be more faithful or at least more responsive. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2262614]Just know that your girl is being ridden more than every horse in the West now. These girls are for fun only and believe me they know it. Stop! Drop! And Roll! [/QUOTE]Awwww...come on guys. You are hurting the guy's feelings here.

[QUOTE=Sandyhop;2262937]A decade back this book was recommended to everyone visiting Thailand for the first time, older folks on this forum might remember it. Had helped quite a few to avoid falling into the trap of the bar girls.[/QUOTE]While Private Dancer is a great realistic fictional story, I recommend Neil Hutchison's Money Number One series.

[URL]http://moneynumberone.net/who-is-neil-hutchison[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sandyhop;2262937]A decade back this book was recommended to everyone visiting Thailand for the first time, older folks on this forum might remember it. Had helped quite a few to avoid falling into the trap of the bar girls.

Private Dancer by Stephan Leather. As per Pattaya Mall. Should be compulsory reading for all first timers to Thailand.

PDF available for free download.

I felt its a very well written book detailing the bar experiences of a Brit guy visiting Thailand and I have to admit some of the sections were damn funny, sometimes while reading almost fell off my chair or choked on food or spilled coffee while LMFAO.[/QUOTE]It's nothing fun in private dancer.

It s a story of self destruction.

But the photo of the girl on the book is good!

Who was? Where she now? Alive?

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2262923]JW,

Very nice post. I applaud your courage to share your most intimate thoughts with us. You are an engaging and humorous writer. I'm also surprised to see a few of our fellow mongers beating up on you. We should encourage people to make post like yours rather than beating them up with trivia. They may be more savvy mongers, but you are much better storyteller.

Here is my analysis of your post. You recently went thru a divorce. You are most likely craving for love and affection. In Thailand you found one girl who seemingly gave you what you want. She may have even developed some feelings for you. But since you were not sending her a generous monthly allowance, when another generous customer came along she decided to take the bird in hand. She may have taken it even if you had been sending her money.

In Thailand and in the Philippines there are millions of young non-working women who would cherish your affection, would marry you, move to the United States and have children with you. They are very easy to find. So if that is what you are truly looking for I recommend not looking for them at Soi 6..[/QUOTE]Thank you man. I think you are probably 100% correct. I appreciate the kind words and advice.

[QUOTE=Playboy2000;2262923]If what you're looking for his marriage, it's better not to seek your partners in Insomnia, Soi 6, or elsewhere in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]LOL I find love every day on Soi 6 sometimes twice!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262946]While Private Dancer is a great realistic fictional story, I recommend Neil Hutchison's Money Number One series.

[URL]http://moneynumberone.net/who-is-neil-hutchison[/URL][/QUOTE]My mistake.

The beautiful girl was on the cover of Hello, my big big honey.

I opened the book and under the cover a phone number and two words disco nana.

I forgot all.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2262946]While Private Dancer is a great realistic fictional story, I recommend Neil Hutchison's Money Number One series.

[URL]http://moneynumberone.net/who-is-neil-hutchison[/URL][/QUOTE]I haven't read the Hutchinson books, but I will take a look at them. Private Dancer is recommended to all new Thailand mongers. It provides food for thought and will get you thinking about the dangers of falling for a Thai hooker. It also provides a few words how to know if you have a good Thai woman. Hint: you won't find her on Soi 6, Walking Street, Bangla Road, Cowboy, or Nana.

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2263021]It's nothing fun in private dancer.
It s a story of self destruction.
[/QUOTE]To each his own as everyone has their own distinct taste, so as well in books. I have downloaded a few of the Money Number one series and maan its spot on for almost all parts, great read.

In Private Dancer agree its self-destruction for the main character Pete, but a few other characters in the book giving their point of view are amusing. There is a character named Jimmy who gives his view of women. Giving below just a few extracts from page 69 (no pun intended, just a coincidence), simply hilarious. Wonder if any of the guys here have tried these "techniques" ;-p.

JIMMY.

A few of the guys say I've got misogynistic tendencies, but I say that's a load of bollocks. I love Women in their place. Mind you, found a great thing on the internet the other day. Made me howl with laughter. A list of sexual positions. I think the guy that wrote them was joking, but I Can't wait to try them out:

The Teabagging: This is the all time classic. Whilst your girl is sucking on your balls. Rhythmically tap your dick on her forehead while uttering the timeless phrase "Who's your Daddy?

The Houdini: Go at it doggy-style until you are just about to come, then pull out and spit on her back so she thinks that you have cum. When she turns around a blast is unleashed into her face and she is left shocked and amazed, wondering how you managed it.

The Angry Dragon: Immediately after you blow your load in a girl's mouth, smack the back of her head and make it come out of her nose. When she gets up she'll look like an angry dragon.

Cum Guzzling Sperm Burping *.

Dirty Sanchez:

The Donkey Punch: Banging a girl doggy style until moments before you cum, you stick your dick in her ass and punch her in the back of the neck. The blow to the neck will stun the muscles in the girl's ass, which will constrict the penis and give you a tremendous orgasmic experience when you ejaculate.

The Flaming Amazon: This one's for all you pyromaniacs out there. When you're screwing some tart, right when you're about to cum, pull out and quickly grab a cigarette lighter and set her pubes on fire, then extinguish the flames as you cum!

The Flying Camel:

The Screwnicorn:

The Zombie Mask: While getting a blow job from your favourite and mostly unsuspecting tarty * tell her you want her to look right up at you with those "pretty little eyes" when you blow your load. Then, just when you're ready to blow a good week's worth of sperm, blast that hefty load in both her eyes. The temporary state of blindness will produce the zombie effect as she stumbles around the room with arms outstretched, and moaning like the walking dead. Out with the digital camera for posterity!

JW, unless you're an educated troll, I'd say that in a way you've been lucky to sink right away to the bottom of the ocean, from there you can only go up. While you can can be sure that any Soi 6 girl is exactly as you're being told, it could have been much more uncertain and deceiving when dealing with a semi-pro, or civilian. Your pre-condition of sex and love starved Westerner is described with full clinical details in hundreds of postings about the (US, or UK, or EU, or Australia) women, for which there is a dedicated section. As it happens Thailand is a good medicine but one needs to know how to take and dose it.

Now, I won't tell you that is easy to find an honest long term companion in Asia, I don't think it is. A lot depends on you, meaning your age, attitude, and wealth, no miracles are possible. In any case, you'll need to become very good at quickly understanding situations and managing your expectations.

I had one the best times of my life taking for mistress a lady that was a bit of a disco lost soul. I had to travel often to be together in the brand new bungalow I had rented in Phuket. For as long (not much really) it lasted it was difficult and costly to manage, and then splitting was emotionally intense. But the moments of happiness we shared were simply amazing, and we were truly close in giving the best of us and coping with our own limits. In the end, I don't regret anything of what I've done.

I can only say, once you can get a good understanding of what you want from Thailand (or any other place), act fast, prepare yourself well (that includes 1st class travel insurance) and go get it.

JW, the correct play here is for you to grow a set of nuts and sell all your shit and move to Thailand. Shag as many hookers as you can fit in your budget and show these hoes who's boss!

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2263321]JW, the correct play here is for you to grow a set of nuts and sell all your shit and move to Thailand. Shag as many hookers as you can fit in your budget and show these hoes who's boss![/QUOTE]The matter has been debated a million of times in forums, but let's go with the most basic facts. There is probably millions of foreigners doing that, so one is inclined to think that it's absolutely doable.

If at least 50, can deposit 800 K THB, or have an income of 65 K monthly, or a combination of the two for a total of 800 K, then you can obtain an one year stay permit and renew it every year indefinitely as long the requirements are met. Even if the law doesn't explicitly prohibits, you will never obtain a permit to work legally, in practice the only job one could find is being an English teacher, which are paid consistently with the national average (that is, subsistence) and often treated poorly. And if you want to be an entrepreneur of some sort, good luck with the fact that you will never legally own, fully understand, control anything. That not even mentioning cultural acceptance, just have a look at Soi Bukhao bars patrons at 11am to see what I mean.

If younger than 50 then you have an even bigger problem because all the "easy and cheap" ways to legally stay have been closed one after another. And staying illegally is just crazy stupid.

To make a long story short short, my opinion is that either you have have plenty of money to sustain yourself comfortably (to the point of travelling as you please and potentially deal well with any kind of emergency), otherwise don't count on making any money here unless you're a very determined type of person, e. G. One that doesn't waste any time writing or reading forums. I also have doubts on the wisdom of shagging and bossing hookers in the medium and long term, but hey to each one his own.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2263291]Now, I won't tell you that is easy to find an honest long term companion in Asia, I don't think it is. A lot depends on you, meaning your age, attitude, and wealth, no miracles are possible. In any case, you'll need to become very good at quickly understanding situations and managing your expectations.[/QUOTE]My favorite show is 90 Day Fiance. I don't know if they do this on purpose or if the real demographic is truly as such. But in the show, when a male American goes overseas and brings back a chick to marry, 9.9 times out of 10 he does not have shit to his name. It is never a guy that is firmly established and has something going for himself. He will live with his mother or father or roommates, or in a small ass poorly furnished apartment. He will have a raggedy ass car, or have to share a car with his parent, or have to borrow a car. He will generally be considered a square or nerd or somebody that would have a hard time picking up women, or may be too timid or lack the aggressiveness to try. He might be a hopeless romantic and let the woman run over him because he is afraid to lose her.

The women always think they are coming to a better life, then when they arrive and see his situation they are like what the fuck; is a green card really worth this?

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2263444]If younger than 50 then you have an even bigger problem because all the "easy and cheap" ways to legally stay have been closed one after another. And staying illegally is just crazy stupid.[/QUOTE]Or become a musician. Plenty of guys in the Walking Street bands that have been in Pattaya for years. No idea what type of visa those guys have or how much they make.

[QUOTE=JeraldoRivera;2263321]JW, the correct play here is for you to grow a set of nuts and sell all your shit and move to Thailand. Shag as many hookers as you can fit in your budget and show these hoes who's boss![/QUOTE]Love it!! Now go out and do it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263448]My favorite show is 90 Day Fiance. I don't know if they do this on purpose or if the real demographic is truly as such. But in the show, when a male American goes overseas and brings back a chick to marry, 9.9 times out of 10 he does not have shit to his name. It is never a guy that is firmly established and has something going for himself. He will live with his mother or father or roommates, or in a small ass poorly furnished apartment. He will have a raggedy ass car, or have to share a car with his parent, or have to borrow a car. He will generally be considered a square or nerd or somebody that would have a hard time picking up women, or may be too timid or lack the aggressiveness to try. He might be a hopeless romantic and let the woman run over him because he is afraid to lose her.

The women always think they are coming to a better life, then when they arrive and see his situation they are like what the fuck; is a green card really worth this?[/QUOTE]One of the few " reality " I will watch. So funny.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262623]Sorry if you did not like my post. All 100% true. We planned trip for a year. My buddy wanted to take a private taxi which was expensive. The notes I had taken down from research said to go to bus station. Which didn't make sense when we got there. I probably didn't need to clear this up since I'm sure you already know how to get there. But whatever.

I shared my story partly to hopefully get some closure for myself. Partly as a warning to other soft heart mongers like myself. And hopefully for some entertainment.[/QUOTE]I believe you and I also know that it is easy to fall in "love" with these girls. If you are serious, this is what I would suggest. Take leave from your job and move to Thailand for 6 months. Live with her. After 6 months you will know whether it can work or not. Ignore the naysayers on this site. I know a number of people who have married bargirls and are in happy relationships. I also know a lot who to scammed. Each case is individual and you have to work things out for yourself.

[QUOTE=Laosman;2263652]I know a number of people who have married bargirls and are in happy relationships.[/QUOTE]I know a guy that did that. He's multi-skilled and makes some money working online, which is the best choice as long one keeps quiet about it. They seems to be happy and all, but the wife came with one or two kids, now since he's a generous guy he doesn't mind providing for all. Being married you only have to deposit THB 400,000 for an one year-permit (plus taxing paperwork), that was probably the main reason why he did that. If they wanted to divorce that's simple, a spouse can attack only assets acquired after marriage. I have no preconception about loving and living with a former prostitute and not even with an active one, but the whole package of her being mature with kids, the wedding, living in Pattaya, etc would have been too much for me to digest.

[QUOTE=Laosman;2263652]I believe you and I also know that it is easy to fall in "love" with these girls. If you are serious, this is what I would suggest. Take leave from your job and move to Thailand for 6 months. Live with her.[/QUOTE]Surely you are not serious. Maybe high, but definitely not serious. You would recommend someone uproot themselves and move to the other side of the planet to live with a hooker that they have known for 2 days? What the fuck are you smoking on?

Rioja has reopened as Blush. I'm in Bangkok or I'd go right now. Someone else want to check it out and report back?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263883]Surely you are not serious. Maybe high, but definitely not serious. You would recommend someone uproot themselves and move to the other side of the planet to live with a hooker that they have known for 2 days? What the fuck are you smoking on?[/QUOTE]Agreed. Hooker girls are with guys for economic reasons. Being a permanent couple is not absolutely impossible, however you need to live with a girl full time for 2 years at least to really start to know her. If part time, then increase the years accordingly.

The quick "love" thing is bullshit. Real love comes very slowly over a very long time. Quick "love" disappears very quick too, due to a single minor incident.

I have known my Thai GF for 13 years part time. Has very low English skills, but can read (without knowing the meaning) and listens to western songs. She has changed a lot. In initial few years, she expected our relationship to be temporary so was never that serious. In fact left me more than once. She offered me chance to find someone "better" several times.

She has changed a lot. Fortunately many changes are positive. She is more horny than she used to be and less stress. Initially she was even scared of guys (previously experienced violence from ex partner). Only now (perhaps last 2 years) do we both accept the relationship can be permanent. We accept the other person's weaknesses. She knows I am always coming back.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263883]Surely you are not serious. Maybe high, but definitely not serious. You would recommend someone uproot themselves and move to the other side of the planet to live with a hooker that they have known for 2 days? What the fuck are you smoking on?[/QUOTE]When you put it that way, it does sound insane.

Hey MasterMonger, I moved your post over to the Pattaya forum. I hope you don't mind.

[QUOTE=MasterfuMonger;2265196]
I'm in Pattas now and will be here over NYE too, <snip> BTW Soi 6 is heaven my god they can suck cock well, Prices here:
Soi 6 1200 bht +350 for room.

<snip>

Gogo's 4000 bht + 1000 barfine. [/QUOTE]Looks like Christmas prices in Pattaya Land. Merry Merry! Ho Ho Ho!

I told you that shit was negotiable. Most people report a price of 1000 baht on Soi 6. I say that I always negotiate 700 baht. It appears chicks are now negotiating to 1200 baht. I guess soon that will be the "normal" price.

Or is it that his girl was the princess of the soi hence she deserves more, since the chicks I get take less because they are such dogs? Maybe there is some other variable at play.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2265400]Or is it that his girl was the princess of the soi hence she deserves more, since the chicks I get take less because they are such dogs? Maybe there is some other variable at play.[/QUOTE]More than likely he made a beeline to her and she knew she could get more than the going price. Pick a bar because of the girls but make the girl think she's not who you are interested in when you go into the bar, make her work for everything. Sit near the front of the bar and keep looking up and down the road.

Does anyone here know Aemon from Kinnaree? I met her there in December last year and I tried looking for her in the same place this March, but she didn't turn up that day. I am very much fond of her. Can someone share her whereabouts now as I am coming there in Jan?

I'm an Eamon fan as well and I haven't seen her at Kinnaree for a very long time. She's so much fun to hang out with at Kinnaree especially after other guys have loaded her up with drinks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2265400]Or is it that his girl was the princess of the soi hence she deserves more, since the chicks I get take less because they are such dogs? Maybe there is some other variable at play.[/QUOTE]Most liekely he was the fool of the soi, like too may others.

Let me start getting some reviews going. Walked through Soi 6 today at 3:30 pm. Maybe about 40% full. For those who don't actually visit Pattaya this is still a lot of girls. Bad news is it was dog city today. This may have already been reported but I would bet a session that there is a ladyboy or two working at Redpoint. I'm talking the obvious ugly variety too. If it's not a ladyboy it's one of the ugliest girls I've seen in Thailand. I only saw 1 single girl who appealed to me and she worked at Mod's Bar. However, since I remember how much of a dud she was with FL Hawk in and out of the room I decided to skip her today and head over to the soapies. It was only around 4:15 and I knew I was early but was really killing time until the gogo bars open later. Sabai Dee and Sabai Room didn't have anyone special. I could have settled for a couple at Honey 2 but I don't like to settle so I'll wait til I hit the gogo bars tonight. If I feel up to it may hit the Thai bars as well.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2266376]Let me start getting some reviews going. Walked through Soi 6 today at 3:30 pm. Maybe about 40% full.....[/QUOTE]I was there shortly after 1 pm and it was maybe 30% full. So it didn't fill up at all. What happened to the high season?

[QUOTE=Jw112;2262346]*[/QUOTE]Jw,

Just a request, but for long reports, please use the appropriate number of paragraph breaks. When I first saw your post I skipped it as being too difficult to read. But I am glad I later came back. I enjoy posts where one's inner thoughts and emotions are brought out.

To address a few things in your post:

I can understand how one can think they have everything planned out on a first visit to Thailand only to then have it fall apart. I was like that – it was overwhelming and when one is not sure what to do one can end up doing nothing. Or they sit out on the street at 4 am giving money to a monk. Don't worry about it. Next time you will do better arranging a ride from / to the airport.

One comment you made about wondering if the providers understood what "no" meant. Well, you gave in a few times, and many of us have also given in, so they may wonder what WE think the word means! That is a lesson for us all – if we say no, even if we stick around for 30 minutes and let you continue to ask.

There are indeed a few good women on Soi 6 who are there simply as they know of no other way to survive and care for their family. They want nothing more than to find a man who will love and support them and their family so they can give up hooking. I described such a person in my last report. But, the women know the men nearly always fall out of love soon after returning home and so they will not risk giving up their work on some hope he will support them for the rest of their lives.

Before I go on, let me interject that the elements of a good report are to state the names of the girl, where she works, the fees and to give a description of her performance. All you have done throughout your report are to give descriptions, but no names or locations. Thus, other than the emotional aspects of your report, it is near worthless! I don't mean to give you trouble, and I suspect you deliberately are hiding the identity of the girl as you don't want any of us to see her, but man, that is putting ho's before bro's! Not good here! Yes, I understand you not wanting to share, but you really need to ID her so you can face up as to who she really is! You say you are hurt when you read of others here being with her, but man up and accept that hooking is her chosen profession, at least for the time being. There are men who pay support to their woman to keep them from hooking that we have discovered to have several men supporting her. You may put ho's before us bro's, but the bro's here are still looking out for you! Let us help by you posting her name and where she works. We can tell you how she is doing if nothing else, and by posting it you will show to yourself you understand what she is and what you will have to accept about her.

But, yeah, we guys are supposed to be going to Pattaya for fun with multiple ladies, not to fall in love. Most of us here can understand a guy falling for one of these girls, especially when they give them bareback sex and make love to them all day and all night, but most here also know how such relationships are likely to turn out. If they girl has not responded to you for several weeks then you should indeed, in a moment of strength, block her ability to contact you should she later try. And if you have decided you want to marry a Thai girl, find a real one. I found such a girl on Thai Friendly. An old fashioned, virgin, intelligent and caring woman who is ready to devote her life to me. I am being dumb too, but because I cannot yet commit to her and instead keep visiting to Pattaya! And, also from Thai Friendly, I have met two other wonderful women looking for a western man to love. One was an engineer and the other a pharmacy technician. So, real girls who wouldn't dream of hooking and who are appalled by it, but who are dissatisfied with eastern men and seriously looking for love. If I could find 3, you can too.

So good luck, but try to be strong and give her up. Read those suggested books to get an idea of what the girls are actually thinking. And please use paragraphs next time! And keep us informed. As you were told, it took courage to come her and open yourself up to ridicule, but feel free to come her to discuss what is happening as it can be helpful and therapeutic.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2266458]There are indeed a few good women on Soi 6 who are there simply as they know of no other way to survive and care for their family. They want nothing more than to find a man who will love and support them and their family so they can give up hooking.[/QUOTE]Well part of this is true. And it ain't the part about them not knowing any other way. They are there because they are lazy and want to make the most amount of money the easiest way possible. Remember Thailand has one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world. It is like 1%. You see help wanted signs everywhere you turn. So don't believe that hogwash.

I once met a chick and thinking she would like to make some extra cash, I asked her to come clean my place. That chick cursed me out and told me I would have to find someone else to do that. She does not clean; her job is to fuck for money. That is the mentality. They are not doing it because they don't have other options. They are doing it because that is the option they are choosing for now.

Wouldn't we all like to find someone to love us and support our families so we can stop working too? Why try to make a better way for yourself when you can keep hoping for some foreigner to come in and do all the heavy lifting.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2266376] This may have already been reported but I would bet a session that there is a ladyboy or two working at Redpoint. I'm talking the obvious ugly variety too. If it's not a ladyboy it's one of the ugliest girls I've seen in Thailand. [/QUOTE]I think that you would lose your bet. I know the mamasan at Red Point very well and it seems impossible to me that she has assumed LB and converted to a mixed bar. Red Point it's always been a "only girls" bar and an old school bar.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2266458]let me interject that the elements of a good report are to state the names of the girl, where she works, the fees and to give a description of her performance. All you have done throughout your report are to give descriptions, but no names or locations. Thus, other than the emotional aspects of your report, it is near worthless! I don't mean to give you trouble, and I suspect you deliberately are hiding the identity of the girl as you don't want any of us to see her, but man, that is putting ho's before bro's[/QUOTE]You want a 'ho' you go to where the girls on crack are walking up and down the street. I go to Pattaya to meet up with attractive women who come across as the complete opposite of a 'ho'. My money, my time, my girl which means its none of your business if I don't post her identity. I will PM people who I deam worthy of sharing my find, mainly paying back those who have passed on good quality talent my way. I've got no problem at all if 10,000 guys a day walk by my girls place of business without knowing she's a gem to be had. But she ain't and never will be a ho.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2266537]You want a 'ho' you go to where the girls on crack are walking up and down the street. I go to Pattaya to meet up with attractive women who come across as the complete opposite of a 'ho'. My money, my time, my girl which means its none of your business if I don't post her identity. I will PM people who I deam worthy of sharing my find, mainly paying back those who have passed on good quality talent my way. I've got no problem at all if 10,000 guys a day walk by my girls place of business without knowing she's a gem to be had. But she ain't and never will be a ho.[/QUOTE]If the girl works in a bar or an ago go I don't think mentioning a name or number will not cause harm but if by whatever means you have found a "gem" that doesn't work mainstream and has a limited number of "sponsors" who she will see when the rent is due etc, fair enough to keep to yourself. My friends and I have bi-lateral system where we will share some girls with everyone but some we will keep to ourselves until our respective visits have been had.

I thought the whole idea of the forum is to share information so that everyone gets to enjoy themselves when in Thailand?

My two cents.

Rob.

Gentlemen,

I'd like to partake in three different experiences while in Patts (described below), but will only be there for a couple of days (first week in Jan) so would like to hit the ground running with some good intel. I've RTFF and have been to Patts a few times in the past so am not a newbie, but haven't been there in a while so any current info would be very much appreciated!

1) Eye candy experience. Looking for gogos with hot girls that wear sexy skirts and no panties while on stage. Outside of the gogos below, are there any other goods spots in Pattaya that you'd recommend for hot no panties stage girls?

- Upstairs at Bacarra.

- Windmill (hotness of girls in question).

- Sugarbabys (hotness of girls in question).

2) Full contact experience. Looking for more of a "dirty" gogo experience where I can get two-way hands-on action and ideally some hardcore nude lap dance grinding.

- Kink.

- Windmill.

- Heaven Above.

- Dollhouse XXX.

- Sugarbabys.

Note, I realize many of the girls in #2 also don't wear panties on stage, but my understanding is they're usually not as hot as what I'm hoping for with #1.

3) Daytime massage teasing. Looking for a nude Thai massage during the day. I just want to recharge during the day (no cumming), but would still like to get a little teasing from a naked cutie who can give a genuine therapeutic Thai massage. And am not interested in a soapy. I've found this in BKK and Phuket, but never in Patts so wondering if a place like this exists.

Any thought or recommendations on where I can best find any of the three experiences above? I'll be sure to post a full review of my experiences.

Many thanks!

Neidermeyer.

[QUOTE=Neidermeyer;2266578]Gentlemen,

I'd like to partake in three different experiences while in Patts (described below), but will only be there for a couple of days (first week in Jan) so would like to hit the ground running with some good intel. I've RTFF and have been to Patts a few times in the past so am not a newbie, but haven't been there in a while so any current info would be very much appreciated!

1) Eye candy experience. Looking for gogos with hot girls that wear sexy skirts and no panties while on stage. Outside of the gogos below, are there any other goods spots in Pattaya that you'd recommend for hot no panties stage girls?

- Upstairs at Bacarra.

- Windmill (hotness of girls in question).

- Sugarbabys (hotness of girls in question).

2) Full contact experience. Looking for more of a "dirty" gogo experience where I can get two-way hands-on action and ideally some hardcore nude lap dance grinding.

- Kink.

- Windmill.

- Heaven Above.

- Dollhouse XXX.

- Sugarbabys.

Note, I realize many of the girls in #2 also don't wear panties on stage, but my understanding is they're usually not as hot as what I'm hoping for with #1.

3) Daytime massage teasing. Looking for a nude Thai massage during the day. I just want to recharge during the day (no cumming), but would still like to get a little teasing from a naked cutie who can give a genuine therapeutic Thai massage. And am not interested in a soapy. I've found this in BKK and Phuket, but never in Patts so wondering if a place like this exists.

Any thought or recommendations on where I can best find any of the three experiences above? I'll be sure to post a full review of my experiences.

Many thanks!

Neidermeyer.[/QUOTE]Windmill, Sugarbaby and Dollhouse are somewhat connected? Kink is okay But looks wise vs. The BF etc. And having an upstairs not worth the time but if you never been there you should go.

Out of all the above-found Dollhouse to be the best all around with many fully nude has an upstairs and if you like dirty girls told me they got ST rooms and they are dirty!

During the day plenty of Gentlemen clubs around the LK metro area.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263883]Surely you are not serious. Maybe high, but definitely not serious. You would recommend someone uproot themselves and move to the other side of the planet to live with a hooker that they have known for 2 days? What the fuck are you smoking on?[/QUOTE]I am 100 percent serious. He may well have a good time. If moving is not an onerour proposition, why not do it?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2263883]Surely you are not serious. Maybe high, but definitely not serious. You would recommend someone uproot themselves and move to the other side of the planet to live with a hooker that they have known for 2 days? What the fuck are you smoking on?[/QUOTE]I am 100 percent serious. If it is not too financially onerous and if he can take leave from his job, why not? Living in Thailand is easy and if it does not work out he can have a lot of fun anyway.

I thought she was cadging a tip when I asked her name but her name is Tip. Very undernourished, similar a crack hoare, but without the missing teeth. Supertight, plenty of lube needed. Good session. Bar has good rooms with mirrors. Room only 300.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2266547]I thought the whole idea of the forum is to share information so that everyone gets to enjoy themselves when in Thailand?Rob.[/QUOTE]How many working girls are there in Thailand? This isn't an escort agency, this isn't a club. This is an entire country. To keep things short though posting too much information on an open forum can lead to trouble. A name, number and bar of a decent girl who does the normal routine is fine to pass along but a girl who does everything you want, pushes all the buttons and then some, a true firecracker that you plan on seeing every time you get the chance. Those are the ones you save for yourself.

[QUOTE=Laosman;2263652]I believe you and I also know that it is easy to fall in "love" with these girls. If you are serious, this is what I would suggest. Take leave from your job and move to Thailand for 6 months. Live with her. After 6 months you will know whether it can work or not. Ignore the naysayers on this site. I know a number of people who have married bargirls and are in happy relationships. I also know a lot who to scammed. Each case is individual and you have to work things out for yourself.[/QUOTE]I have no words for this.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2266842]How many working girls are there in Thailand? This isn't an escort agency, this isn't a club. This is an entire country. To keep things short though posting too much information on an open forum can lead to trouble. A name, number and bar of a decent girl who does the normal routine is fine to pass along but a girl who does everything you want, pushes all the buttons and then some, a true firecracker that you plan on seeing every time you get the chance. Those are the ones you save for yourself.[/QUOTE]Thank you Sir. I have more more to the story now but considering the beating I've taken here I'm going to step back. Let's all move on if you don't mind. How about so more trip reports from everyone? Please, and happy holidays.

I mentioned it in my Trip report but everyone needs to check on KINK in LK Metro. Make sure you go upstairs. Absolute madness.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2266842]How many working girls are there in Thailand? This isn't an escort agency, this isn't a club. This is an entire country. To keep things short though posting too much information on an open forum can lead to trouble. A name, number and bar of a decent girl who does the normal routine is fine to pass along but a girl who does everything you want, pushes all the buttons and then some, a true firecracker that you plan on seeing every time you get the chance. Those are the ones you save for yourself.[/QUOTE]Without a reasonable level of facts, such as girl name and workplace name, then the story is really just a story and has little value, without knowing it might be true or bullshit.

One poster reported an unbelievable cheap fuck from Soi cowboy which was rather fishy. Maybe girl name was wrong, bar name not supplied. All it achieved was stirring up a big argument.

Facts can make reports much more useful, opinions obviously less useful, and that is my opinion. Having said that, yes I do have to keep some girls secret, particularly a moderately well known one who does not want it generally known what she is up to. Supposed to have a BF. She would kill me if posted her photo or her name. So I do agree with you to some extent. Keep secret when important to do so. Yep, some girls do read the forum. Not sure if she has guessed my handle already. Quite possible due to supplying a little too many facts at times.

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I went to Kink at the beginning of the month with my brother and a couple of other board members. It was definitely madness because we couldn't even pay attention to the show for chicks keep getting in our face asking for drinks. If you can get around that, there are some great shows though.

That same night me and my brother went to Flexx Club. I met a chick and she came home with me. When we got to my place she told me that she works at Kink. I told her I was there about 10 pm and did not see her. She said it was her day off. If they work 10 days they get 1 day off. If they work 20 days they get 3 days off. She said she used to work at Alcatraz before. About noon the next day I dropped her to her room and gave her the usual 1200 baht.

Fellow mongers.

I am going to Jomtien in the end of January, never been to there before, never been to Pattaya either for that matter.

I need a few suggestions on FS massage parlors in Jomtien.

I have heard and read that there are a lot of massage parlors, but most of them only do HJ or maybe BJ.

But there most be places where you can get FS guaranteed. Right?

[QUOTE=Jw112;2266920] How about so more trip reports from everyone? Please, and happy holidays.[/QUOTE]Not going to happen. Most of the big posters on this thread come once every 6 months or don't come to Pattaya at all.

My contribution for the day. I was in the area and had about 30 minutes to kill so swung by Soi Full Love Inn. I decided to go to Club Sin first since it's the one I haven't visited the longest. Couldn't get out of there fast enough. Saw 4 short overweight girls. Next was 007. My girl was busy so I didn't stay. Next was J Club. Girls were better than the other 2 clubs. Like I said I had some time to kill so I decided I may as well buy 1 a drink. Chose the youngest looking one with braces. Name is New. She greeted me with a lap dance. Butt too big for me but I was feeling generous so offered her a drink. Insistent begging to go to a room with her for boom boom. I hate that shit. Groped her under her top quite a bit. No real tits. She would offer me an aggressive jerk off HJ over the pants any time I moved her hand anywhere near my shorts. No DFK but closed mouth lip kissing. This would have eliminated her from a session if I had time. She was getting annoyed with me saying no for over 20 minutes to the point she bluntly asked me why I even go to these places if I don't go to a room. I was honest and said I was just killing time today and was trying to get out of the sun a bit. She then pointed me to another girl who thought I was good looking, carried her half finished drink to the bar, went back to put on some clothes, and went outside to buy food. I was laughing inside so I calmly walked up to the bar and told the mamasan I will not be paying for New's drink since she never finished it. The other girl ran outside and told New I wasn't going to pay for her drink. Here is the shocking part. New actually came right back in the bar and agreed that I could cancel my drink with her and she would forego her 50 baht commission. I didn't expect that. I expected either an argument or New to come back and finish her drink. Little did New know that if she didn't have her outburst I was going to leave in a couple more minutes anyways. She would have made 50 baht for her drink and I was going to tip her 100 baht because that's just what I do if I grope a girl for a bit. I walked home feeling amused of what had just happened.

On my way home there was a super hot girl at a massage place behind Cherry Restaurant. I kind of knew she didn't work there since she had no uniform on but I had to ask anyways. After all this is Pattaya! Unfortunately, I was correct. She was just there visiting her aunt. She was from Rayong but was considering moving to Pattaya. Got her Line ID in case she does decide to move here.

For anyone in town there is a very pretty girl who has been working at Warren Massage the past 3 weeks or so. Definitely better than anyone on Soi 6. She may not be there much longer as she will be coming to me to Walking Street soon to consider working at a gogo bar. Warren, Oma, and AG Massage all on Soi Buakhao near Soi Diana can always have young gems. Guess guys don't post about them and keep these FS massage shops to themselves.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2266469]Well part of this is true. And it ain't the part about them not knowing any other way. They are there because they are lazy and want to make the most amount of money the easiest way possible. [/QUOTE]Says a man who seems to be traveling from one monger destination to the other all the time, all over the world, with scuba diving and writing many reports for this forum in between. And fucking girls of course.

So apparently you yourself have also found out how to make the most amount of money the easiest way possible LOL. Or you have won the lottery.

Went up with a girl at Chili Bar. There was a dangerously low ceiling fan above the bed but the aircon was warm. Went away in a huff, not happy to have wasted 350 on a room.

Proceeded to session one of my regulars at Roxy Bar. Aircon was warm here as well. Tried another room, then another, same shit. Ended up sessioning with a fan.

End of the year maintenance crisis?

Combined with depleted line-ups, this makes Soi 6 less attractive right now.

The reason she cursed and left could be entirely different. To her maybe you did not look trusty worthy enough. These women who pursue a WG career have a very sharp and great sense of judgment of character. If they sense that you could be messy they will shun you and wait for the next one who they think will be decent.

Just make yourself presentable, clean and treat the lady well and bingo. You will rock and roll.

Back in my hometown Bangalore it's the same. There is this WG named Bipasha who shuns all Kannadiga men who are dark skinned, ugly, unclean, oily and unpresentable. And she is right in maintaining her standards as 95% Kannadiga men fall in that avoidable category. It is the expat and other domestic mongers who provide WGs a good sense.

Aps.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2266469]I once met a chick and thinking she would like to make some extra cash, I asked her to come clean my place. That chick cursed me out and told me I would have to find someone else to do that. She does not clean; her job is to fuck for money. That is the mentality. They are not doing it because they don't have other options. They are doing it because that is the option they are choosing for now.

Wouldn't we all like to find someone to love us and support our families so we can stop working too? Why try to make a better way for yourself when you can keep hoping for some foreigner to come in and do all the heavy lifting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2267116]Says a man who seems to be traveling from one monger destination to the other all the time, all over the world, with scuba diving and writing many reports for this forum in between. And fucking girls of course.

So apparently you yourself have also found out how to make the most amount of money the easiest way possible LOL. Or you have won the lottery.[/QUOTE]Pattaya hookers are a lot of things, but they aint lazy. They pay a lot of attention to sucking dick.

[QUOTE=JAKarl;2267042]
I need a few suggestions on FS massage parlors in Jomtien.
I have heard and read that there are a lot of massage parlors, but most of them only do HJ or maybe BJ.
But there most be places where you can get FS guaranteed. Right?[/QUOTE]Jomtien Beach road soi6 have some small massage shops where FS is available. Or just go to some G. Clubs like KitCat and Passion for a drink and a ST.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2267116]Says a man who seems to be traveling from one monger destination to the other all the time, all over the world, with scuba diving and writing many reports for this forum in between. And fucking girls of course.

So apparently you yourself have also found out how to make the most amount of money the easiest way possible LOL. Or you have won the lottery.[/QUOTE]Someone posted somewhere that he's a pilot. Gives the word 'cockpit' a whole new meaning. LOL.

[QUOTE=Jw112;2266920]Thank you Sir. I have more more to the story now but considering the beating I've taken here I'm going to step back. Let's all move on if you don't mind. How about so more trip reports from everyone? Please, and happy holidays.[/QUOTE]We are not beating up on you (though it may seem that way)! Admitting to falling for a bar girl here is an open invitation for discussion, and usually for good reason as it rarely works out to the benefit of the man. Take our advice but do what you want, but don't consider it being beat on. Call it tough love from your bros out here.

And my own 'complaint' about your writing a long story in a single paragraph was meat to be helpful. You had a great storyline but it was difficult to read. And my complaint about not identifying the girl was meant to be helpful, and I think you can agree that reports that fail to identify the girl are less helpful, but I think your "report" was actually more of a story than a report, where the story was about how you fell for a bar girl, followed by a plea for help and advice. The actual "who" and "where" was secondary, and the warning for the rest of us, especially newbies, is to avoid doing things that might cause us to fall for bar girls!

Please, if you have more to report, do so! I assume you wrote your report / story to pay back those who made reports that benefited you, so don't let a few negative comments steer you away from that mission. I mean, you said you want to see more reports, so continue with your reports. I won't be back to Pattaya until at least April, so while I am a prolific reporter when I am there, over the next 4 months I will have to live precariously though guys like you!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2266469]

I once met a chick and thinking she would like to make some extra cash, I asked her to come clean my place. That chick cursed me out and told me I would have to find someone else to do that. She does not clean; her job is to fuck for money. That is the mentality. They are not doing it because they don't have other options. They are doing it because that is the option they are choosing for now..[/QUOTE]Were you planning to pay her the same hourly rate to clean as to screw? I think many (but hardly all) would choose to clean if they could make the same about of money cleaning houses as they could screwing. But how many house cleaners can make several thousand baht a day cleaning? They can't, so they hook.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2267198]Were you planning to pay her the same hourly rate to clean as to screw? I think many (but hardly all) would choose to clean if they could make the same about of money cleaning houses as they could screwing. But how many house cleaners can make several thousand baht a day cleaning? They can't, so they hook.[/QUOTE]You have missed the argument. You stated they know no other way to survive. I said that is not true. I have friends that work in laundries, work in restaurants, work in hotels, and they are all surviving just fine.

Now you change the point and say well they can make more as hookers. Well I can make more as a drug dealer, but that is not to say it is the only way I know to survive.

After they are finished being hookers, they will go on to another way to survive such as pushing a food cart. So no, being a hooker is not the only way they know or the only thing they can do to survive (keeping with the original argument).

P. S. All the hookers in Pattaya are NOT out making thousands of baht per day. Only a small fraction actually does that. So it is not about the amount that they could POSSIBLY make as a hooker. I was guaranteeing money to be made by coming to clean. She decided to hold out for possible money that she could get for fucking. Why not do both? If straits are that dire then you would think one would get money from any nook and cranny that they could, not saying fucking is the only way I choose to get money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267023]I went to Kink at the beginning of the month with my brother and a couple of other board members. It was definitely madness because we couldn't even pay attention to the show for chicks keep getting in our face asking for drinks. If you can get around that, there are some great shows though.

That same night me and my brother went to Flexx Club. I met a chick and she came home with me. When we got to my place she told me that she works at Kink. I told her I was there about 10 pm and did not see her. She said it was her day off. If they work 10 days they get 1 day off. If they work 20 days they get 3 days off. She said she used to work at Alcatraz before. About noon the next day I dropped her to her room and gave her the usual 1200 baht.[/QUOTE]Yeah Mr. E, I remember that night, and your description is spot on. The best part, was once we went back downstairs, and they had the stage from upstairs drop downstairs, for an all out girls on girls getting freaky show!

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2267116]Says a man who seems to be traveling from one monger destination to the other all the time, all over the world, with scuba diving and writing many reports for this forum in between. And fucking girls of course.

So apparently you yourself have also found out how to make the most amount of money the easiest way possible LOL. Or you have won the lottery.[/QUOTE]Maybe that should have read says a man who had to eat Taco Bell hot sauce packets for dinner in undergrad while writing papers all night. A man that had to eat hot dogs and ramen noodles for dinner in grad school while working on projects on all night. A man who was constantly looking at flash cards to learn 4 other languages while other mfs were out partying. I didn't FIND OUT shit. I took the time and effort to make my bed soft, because that is the kind that I wanted to lie in.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2267157]Jomtien Beach road soi6 have some small massage shops where FS is available. Or just go to some G. Clubs like KitCat and Passion for a drink and a ST.[/QUOTE]Thank you Christian G.

Kit Kat and Passion have ST rooms available on sight?

I will certainly check out Jomtien Soi 6 as well. Is there any specific shop that you had in mind?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267209]Maybe that should have read says a man who had to eat Taco Bell hot sauce packets for dinner in undergrad while writing papers all night. A man that had to eat hot dogs and ramen noodles for dinner in grad school while working on projects on all night. A man who was constantly looking at flash cards to learn 4 other languages while other mfs were out partying. I didn't FIND OUT shit. I took the time and effort to make my bed soft, because that is the kind that I wanted to lie in.[/QUOTE]Exactly the response I expected. Oviously things / people are not always what they seem. Did it occur to you that this might apply to some (maybe even quite a lot) of the Thai girls that you call lazy as well?

Wew, despite the weather being better than in August I seriously had a better time then than now in peak high season. Prices are through the roof (and it seems quite a bit higher than last high season? My main issue though is that while in August I was nearly drowning in cute freelancers from TF, I now can't even get a reply or my profile viewed at. My premium membership seems worthless here LOL. Guess I aint the only one around looking for FLs on TF.

So WS at night it is then. Actually went to the Windmill twice knowing I'll have a good time there. Had two good nights and short times to my hotel there. I do not go there for the stunners they do not have but they do have some cuties, and they are how I like it, dirty and naughty. Both STs weren't starfish in bed. I guess I should check out their sister bar if this dire TF situation does not improve by nightfall. LK Metro also seems a good option reading from some reports here?

I remain not a big fan of Go-Gos yet running around on Coconut bar looking for that odd FL I would like aint my thing neither. Kinda wish I reminded in Bangkok as it is right now to be honest.

If I am not mistaken Lick Bar is a BJ shop. Well, the girl I sessioned there today gave me one of my worst soi 6 BJ ever. Intercourse was good though.

She had me spend 40 on a water bottle before we went to the room, saying this was to guard against police arresting her. This is better than Lourdes holy water.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267209]Maybe that should have read says a man who had to eat Taco Bell hot sauce packets for dinner in undergrad while writing papers all night. A man that had to eat hot dogs and ramen noodles for dinner in grad school while working on projects on all night. A man who was constantly looking at flash cards to learn 4 other languages while other mfs were out partying. I didn't FIND OUT shit. I took the time and effort to make my bed soft, because that is the kind that I wanted to lie in.[/QUOTE]Dude,

You are my hero but I'm sorta 50/50 if I believe you were eating hotdogs, ramen and hot sauce packs in college. That means you figured out how to save enough cash and travel the world plundering twats the last 8-10 years full time and your current age is mid / late 40's? So you fully retired in your 30's? Thats impressive and definitely worth a write up on its own. If that storys true my guess is you were unencumbered by American wife and family. Anyhow, goodjob even if you were born with a silver spoon you've certainly provided great inspiration to us partime / occasional international pussy pirates.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2267469]Exactly the response I expected. Oviously things / people are not always what they seem. Did it occur to you that this might apply to some (maybe even quite a lot) of the Thai girls that you call lazy as well?[/QUOTE]Seems like you are only reading part of my posts. You are missing the part about offering them alternative ways to make money and them turning it down, saying THEIR JOB IS TO FUCK FOR MONEY!

Up until probably a few years back my mom would offer me money to do odd jobs around her house. She would say come vacuum the house or come clean out the kitchen cabinets and I will give you $100. You think I said no thanks mom, my job is to deliver these Dominos pizzas? No. I went and got money wherever there was an opportunity to get it.

I know one chick in Pattaya that is 1 year from finishing high school. I was shocked when she told me that. I said when are you going to go finish then? She said she does not know; she is tired that her mom keeps asking the same thing. SHE SAID she is just too lazy to do it. So this chick would rather lay around fucking for money than do one more year in high school and be on to something better. I am not reporting what I think, I am reporting what I know.

[QUOTE=XXL;2267497]She had me spend 40 on a water bottle before we went to the room, saying this was to guard against police arresting her. This is better than Lourdes holy water.[/QUOTE]Didn't realize there was a bar on Soi 6 where water was only 40 baht. Is this bar a good vantage point for seeing other bars? Those are the bars I sit in to scope things out.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2267587]Didn't realize there was a bar on Soi 6 where water was only 40 baht. Is this bar a good vantage point for seeing other bars? Those are the bars I sit in to scope things out.[/QUOTE]Not much of a vantage point. Too close to 2nd road. Not at all in the midst of the action where the big bars are.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267209]Maybe that should have read says a man who had to eat Taco Bell hot sauce packets for dinner in undergrad while writing papers all night. A man that had to eat hot dogs and ramen noodles for dinner in grad school while working on projects on all night. A man who was constantly looking at flash cards to learn 4 other languages while other mfs were out partying. I didn't FIND OUT shit. I took the time and effort to make my bed soft, because that is the kind that I wanted to lie in.[/QUOTE]My early life.

One can Tuna, one can peas, one can Cream of Mushroom, one box elbows. Bake and eat for three days.

School 10-3 5 days a week, drive cab 11-7.

Kudos to you dude.

Pim at Pussy Cat is the darkest skinned girl I've seen in Soi 6. She told me she hailed from Cambodia. Blow-jobs do little for me but her oral skills are exceptional.

Rooms here are 400 and have no mirrors.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267209]Maybe that should have read says a man who had to eat Taco Bell hot sauce packets for dinner in undergrad while writing papers all night. A man that had to eat hot dogs and ramen noodles for dinner in grad school while working on projects on all night. A man who was constantly looking at flash cards to learn 4 other languages while other mfs were out partying. I didn't FIND OUT shit. I took the time and effort to make my bed soft, because that is the kind that I wanted to lie in.[/QUOTE]Never apologize. Never explain. Been there and done all that too, except when I was an undergrad Taco Bell didn't exist. Good on you.

GE.

[QUOTE=XXL;2267911]Pim at Pussy Cat is the darkest skinned girl I've seen in Soi 6. She told me she hailed from Cambodia. Blow-jobs do little for me but her oral skills are exceptional.
Rooms here are 400 and have no mirrors.[/QUOTE]Pim do anal as well. Fucked her twice.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267200]You have missed the argument. You stated they know no other way to survive. I said that is not true. I have friends that work in laundries, work in restaurants, work in hotels, and they are all surviving just fine.

Now you change the point and say well they can make more as hookers. Well I can make more as a drug dealer, but that is not to say it is the only way I know to survive.

After they are finished being hookers, they will go on to another way to survive such as pushing a food cart. So no, being a hooker is not the only way they know or the only thing they can do to survive (keeping with the original argument).


[/QUOTE]You may have missed my exact wording. "There are indeed a FEW good women ON SOI 6 who are there simply as they know of no other way to survive AND care for their family. " I added the capitalization to emphasize that I was not speaking generally, ONLY for a few Soi 6 ladies who are burdened with not only surviving but with also caring for family members. Making a child or ailing parent live off of taco sauce is not an acceptable situation for most loving Thai daughters and mothers. Most of the girls in the business are a bit moralistically lazy perhaps, but there are a few who are in a tough spot and go into prostitution not for fun or out of laziness, but to care for family members. You suffered in order to eventually survive and succeed, but if you had small children and parents to take care of and support in a country such a Thailand, who knows what you may have decided to temporarily do to ensure they were taken care of?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2267943]Never apologize. Never explain. Been there and done all that too, except when I was an undergrad Taco Bell didn't exist. Good on you.

GE.[/QUOTE]Well, there is no Taco Bell in Thailand yet. I love Taco Bell. I had both breakfast as well as lunch there today. Soon there will be one in Bangkok at least. I doubt Pattaya will get one until after I have retired from mongering. I just hope they are like Subway and stick to the American menu for the most part, and not deviate like KFC, which has deviated so far that I can't stand to eat there. Where in Thailand can you find a good fried chicken breast??

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268110]Well, there is no Taco Bell in Thailand yet. I love Taco Bell. I had both breakfast as well as lunch there today. Soon there will be one in Bangkok at least. I doubt Pattaya will get one until after I have retired from mongering. I just hope they are like Subway and stick to the American menu for the most part, and not deviate like KFC, which has deviated so far that I can't stand to eat there. Where in Thailand can you find a good fried chicken breast??[/QUOTE]I was at the market one day and saw some chicks with Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. I went over to their table to ask where they got them from. They said Bangkok. MF! The best fried chicken in Pattaya is Pattaya Klang Soi 16. And it is cheap. Only opens late afternoon and closed on Sunday.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268118]I was at the market one day and saw some chicks with Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. I went over to their table to ask where they got them from. They said Bangkok. MF! [/QUOTE]There's a Krispy Kreme in Royal Garden Plaza.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268118]I was at the market one day and saw some chicks with Krispy Kreme Doughnuts. I went over to their table to ask where they got them from. They said Bangkok. MF! The best fried chicken in Pattaya is Pattaya Klang Soi 16. And it is cheap. Only opens late afternoon and closed on Sunday.[/QUOTE]No love for Texas (Church's) Chicken? Me and the boys loved Texas Chicken. I haven't ate Church's in over 5 years.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2268159]There's a Krispy Kreme in Royal Garden Plaza.[/QUOTE]There is a crispy crepe at the Emporium Mall in Bangkok. This mall is one stop away from Asok. It's on the top floor near the entrance to the grocery store. Pretty expensive donuts when you compare it to other bakery items nearby.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268110]Well, there is no Taco Bell in Thailand yet. I love Taco Bell. I had both breakfast as well as lunch there today. Soon there will be one in Bangkok at least. I doubt Pattaya will get one until after I have retired from mongering. I just hope they are like Subway and stick to the American menu for the most part, and not deviate like KFC, which has deviated so far that I can't stand to eat there. Where in Thailand can you find a good fried chicken breast??[/QUOTE]Yet I much prefer it. Then again I prefer food on the spicy side.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2268159]There's a Krispy Kreme in Royal Garden Plaza.[/QUOTE]This was over a year ago.

Planning a trip soon. What is the acceptance of girls allowing video recording of the sex? I'd like to start building a personal library.

I finally got around to inputting my November mongering trip to Pattaya in Excel to see how I did.

I spent 17-1/2 mongering days in Pattaya, a new record for me. In that time I had intercourse 33 times with 24 new girls and 9 repeats (a couple of repeats were from prior visits). 24 of the encounters were girls from Soi 6, 4 were from agogo's, 5 from Red Car and one girl from Wind Mill but who I got freelancing.

The total amount I spent on fees and fines and tips was around 69,000 Baht (about $2,100), which equates to an averaged cost of about $64 per encounter.

I was actually stunned at this final cost, at how low it was. I was expecting it to be closer to $3,000 based on the cash I had remaining at the end, but after reviewing everything I find it is accurate. Much was made of my spending tons of money on Monkey Paw's high priced agogo girls, but I only went out 5 times with agogo girls, so their "high" cost is averaged out over the other 29 encounters. But for comparison, last April, where I had only one agogo girl, the average cost per encounter was $14 lower, so the agogo girls did have an impact. What likely depleted my budget so much compared to previous trips was not the direct cost of the girls or the cost of the agogo girls, but rather the entertainment expenses. I bought many more Lady Drinks and I literally threw money away hurling 100 Baht notes to the dancers!

The bottom line of how much we spent, at least for us vacationers, comes down to whether we had a good time or not for the money, and if we can afford it. I certainly had a good time! I am fortunate enough that I could also afford it. In previous trips I was ready to leave after 10 days, but with some bros showing up this time, other than some disappointments with the performance of the high priced agogo girls, I was hardly ever bored and consider this to have been my best trip to Thailand ever. So, no regrets about what I spent.

I hope this information helps someone.

It makes no difference but I prefer to call girls in the P4P business working girls not working girls hookers or prostitutes. I prefer to see them as individuals not as indistinctive uneducated hoards of farm hands from Essan who should be grateful that somebody wants to shag them for 700 baht arguing its twice the minimum wage. For better or worse they take care of our needs, enrich our lives with their company. Some are deviant hustlers but most are nice people. They choose this line of work not because they are lazy they do it for the money. Some need that money badly to take care of responsibilities back home and some just see it as a way to a better lifestyle. Some members understandably see it differently but that's my take for what it's worth.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268503]I finally got around to inputting my November mongering trip to Pattaya in Excel to see how I did.

I spent 17-1/2 mongering days in Pattaya, a new record for me. In that time I had intercourse 33 times with 24 new girls and 9 repeats (a couple of repeats were from prior visits). 24 of the encounters were girls from Soi 6, 4 were from agogo's, 5 from Red Car and one girl from Wind Mill but who I got freelancing.

The total amount I spent on fees and fines and tips was around 69,000 Baht (about $2,100), which equates to an averaged cost of about $64 per encounter.

I was actually stunned at this final cost, at how low it was.
So, no regrets about what I spent.

I hope this information helps someone.[/QUOTE]All that matters is you can afford it and you have no regrets. Reading your reports I too am surprised you didn't spend more. Thanks for all of your great reports.

P.S. Tried to send a private message but you're mailbox is full.

I am not very up to date but I will still take advantage of my period of sobering after holidays to make a small exercise of the balance sheet of my last visit to Pattaya of December 2018.

8 days in total, including 5 days in VLT. Personally I think a VLT in Pattaya is as useful as a car in Paris, we never know where to park it, we quickly enough to always have the same and it costs an arm. The last time she was menstruating, this time she had a flu with fever (not very fit so) she gave me. But hey I always try to persuade me that I'm madly in love with a little bar working girl, it's really anything I know, the day I'm having my slap approaching fast.

On average I see 3 girls a day, 2 days off. Given that I give myself a dog sickness to amortize my VLT we will say that 2 bucks a day seem to be the cruising speed.

The first 3 days I attended the massage parlors during the day and the gogos at night. I completely changed my attitude in the gogos. Previously I spent almost nothing and especially no LD, now I have a real budget on it and also to slip a small ticket in the light dress of the beautiful dancers if they make me a pretty smile.

In total for these 8 days I spent 937,00 € for massages, gogos and VLT and I even made a little extra the last day in Bangkok by going to the airport with a small quarantine well preserved met on Thaifriendly where I just paid the hotel and his taxi. That is 121,00 € per day. It can not be said that I am private although I do not take girls in gogos, much too expensive, I leave that to those who come once a year (as I did before).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267581]Seems like you are only reading part of my posts. You are missing the part about offering them alternative ways to make money and them turning it down, saying THEIR JOB IS TO FUCK FOR MONEY![/QUOTE]I have read your entire post and that was just one example of one girl who turned down your offer. I'm sure you have some more examples but that doesn't mean they are ALL lazy, like you said. That's just BS.

I agree. They are women who want a better life and choose what they think is best or what works for them. The ones I met were sweet friendly women. If people here think there is something wrong with being a prostitute, then they are just as much in the wrong for going to one.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2268525]It makes no difference but I prefer to call girls in the P4P business working girls not working girls hookers or prostitutes. I prefer to see them as individuals not as indistinctive uneducated hoards of farm hands from Essan who should be grateful that somebody wants to shag them for 700 baht arguing its twice the minimum wage. For better or worse they take care of our needs, enrich our lives with their company. Some are deviant hustlers but most are nice people. They choose this line of work not because they are lazy they do it for the money. Some need that money badly to take care of responsibilities back home and some just see it as a way to a better lifestyle. Some members understandably see it differently but that's my take for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Horatio;2268734]I agree. They are women who want a better life and choose what they think is best or what works for them. The ones I met were sweet friendly women. If people here think there is something wrong with being a prostitute, then they are just as much in the wrong for going to one.[/QUOTE]You do realize that being sweet and friendly and lazy are not mutually exclusive don't you? Just because you are one does not mean you can not be the other.

And calling something for what it is is not saying there is a dislike for it. I love McDonald's, but that shit will make you fat and sick. The same way I like hookers, but it does not prevent me from seeing that most are lazy.

Now picture the hookers in your country. Do you also believe they are women that want a better life and choose what they think is best? Or does this only apply to the fun ones that are in a far away land where you do not speak the languange?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268503]I finally got around to inputting my November mongering trip to Pattaya in Excel to see how I did.
.[/QUOTE]Never thought I'd read 'financial report and excel' in the Pattaya forum in the same post. Buddy and I were just talking about the hidden costs that you don't expect on a trip, I brought up the FKK's in Germany and compared them to Thailand and its funny that your average encounter cost you $64 which is roughly the same to shag a girl in the clubs in Germany. Times are different mind you but sex is sex. The hidden costs though do add up in Thailand if you get a girl LT and like her company and end up keeping her vs just having sex and moving on. Drinks, food and entertainment add up quickly when you add a girl to your trip. Same goes with having a buddie or two along, for instance my one buddie wouldn't touch the streetfood which really increases the food budget, another would want everyone to go drink for drink thus increasing the drink bill accordingly. The clubs in Germany are an exception to the rule, no drinks needed for the girls and everything was included in the price of admission so the money in your wallet could be budgeted out exactly for rounds of sex. My last trip I made the mistake of staying in Bangkok and passing up on Pattaya since a buddie's schedule wouldn't allow for a longer Pattaya visit. Big mistake on my part. Those extra drink prices and gogo rates really ate into my budget more than I expected. Pattaya rocks on service and low cost alternatives to stretch your budget.

I keep pretty good records each trip as well but never broke it down this way. For clarification in the 33 that's per session not per round right? So a girl let once at night and again in morning is just a 1 count. But if you take the girl again in a couple days it's now a 2 right? Did you count BJ bar as a half or not at all? I got a week coming up next week will do the same analysis.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2268503]I finally got around to inputting my November mongering trip to Pattaya in Excel to see how I did.

I spent 17-1/2 mongering days in Pattaya, a new record for me. In that time I had intercourse 33 times with 24 new girls and 9 repeats (a couple of repeats were from prior visits). 24 of the encounters were girls from Soi 6, 4 were from agogo's, 5 from Red Car and one girl from Wind Mill but who I got freelancing.

The total amount I spent on fees and fines and tips was around 69,000 Baht (about $2,100), which equates to an averaged cost of about $64 per encounter.

I was actually stunned at this final cost, at how low it was. I was expecting it to be closer to $3,000 based on the cash I had remaining at the end, but after reviewing everything I find it is accurate. Much was made of my spending tons of money on Monkey Paw's high priced agogo girls, but I only went out 5 times with agogo girls, so their "high" cost is averaged out over the other 29 encounters. But for comparison, last April, where I had only one agogo girl, the average cost per encounter was $14 lower, so the agogo girls did have an impact. What likely depleted my budget so much compared to previous trips was not the direct cost of the girls or the cost of the agogo girls, but rather the entertainment expenses. I bought many more Lady Drinks and I literally threw money away hurling 100 Baht notes to the dancers!

The bottom line of how much we spent, at least for us vacationers, comes down to whether we had a good time or not for the money, and if we can afford it. I certainly had a good time! I am fortunate enough that I could also afford it. In previous trips I was ready to leave after 10 days, but with some bros showing up this time, other than some disappointments with the performance of the high priced agogo girls, I was hardly ever bored and consider this to have been my best trip to Thailand ever. So, no regrets about what I spent.

I hope this information helps someone.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2268825]Never thought I'd read 'financial report and excel' in the Pattaya forum in the same post. Buddy and I were just talking about the hidden costs that you don't expect on a trip, I brought up the FKK's in Germany and compared them to Thailand and its funny that your average encounter cost you $64 which is roughly the same to shag a girl in the clubs in Germany. Times are different mind you but sex is sex. The hidden costs though do add up in Thailand if you get a girl LT and like her company and end up keeping her vs just having sex and moving on. Drinks, food and entertainment add up quickly when you add a girl to your trip. Same goes with having a buddie or two along, for instance my one buddie wouldn't touch the streetfood which really increases the food budget, another would want everyone to go drink for drink thus increasing the drink bill accordingly. The clubs in Germany are an exception to the rule, no drinks needed for the girls and everything was included in the price of admission so the money in your wallet could be budgeted out exactly for rounds of sex. My last trip I made the mistake of staying in Bangkok and passing up on Pattaya since a buddie's schedule wouldn't allow for a longer Pattaya visit. Big mistake on my part. Those extra drink prices and gogo rates really ate into my budget more than I expected. Pattaya rocks on service and low cost alternatives to stretch your budget.[/QUOTE]We were discussing this recently in another thread. Of the places I've been that provide a fun club experience in addition to sex, Thailand still rules for low cost. Even the gogos and buying lady drinks are lower priced than many other world options.

Brazil remains my pick for best bang for the buck. A bit higher priced than thailand. But much better service guarantee at the nice clubs.

And Germany FKK ends up a bit less of a value, but still totally awesome and realistically quite a bit more expensive than Thailand when you include the full club experience.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2268525]It makes no difference but I prefer to call girls in the P4P business working girls not working girls hookers or prostitutes. I prefer to see them as individuals not as indistinctive uneducated hoards of farm hands from Essan who should be grateful that somebody wants to shag them for 700 baht arguing its twice the minimum wage. For better or worse they take care of our needs, enrich our lives with their company. Some are deviant hustlers but most are nice people. They choose this line of work not because they are lazy they do it for the money. Some need that money badly to take care of responsibilities back home and some just see it as a way to a better lifestyle. Some members understandably see it differently but that's my take for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I enjoy the encounter much better when I treat the girls as human beings worthy of respect rather than just receptacles for my discharge.

I have no problem with someone describing someone as lazy. It seems like a big generalization but I don't know that it isn't true. I don't like them being called whs or hos. I don't know any hookers in america. I don't think they should be called wh---s either.

Just my opinion though, you should use whatever word you think best.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268754]You do realize that being sweet and friendly and lazy are not mutually exclusive don't you? Just because you are one does not mean you can not be the other.

And calling something for what it is is not saying there is a dislike for it. I love McDonald's, but that shit will make you fat and sick. The same way I like hookers, but it does not prevent me from seeing that most are lazy.

Now picture the hookers in your country. Do you also believe they are women that want a better life and choose what they think is best? Or does this only apply to the fun ones that are in a far away land where you do not speak the languange?[/QUOTE]

A bit off topic!

A few years back we had a falling out and our friendship parted ways with me wishing him the best while living here in Pattaya. Through the years I would run into him during his Go Go's outings but the last year and a half I've not seen him anywhere nor seen any reporting. My memory serves me right he was reporting well before 2007, on the Thailand forum we came to meet when he retired and settle in Pattaya Jomtien area in 2007.

I was in his area yesterday afternoon and decided to stop by his Condo to check on his status and found out through the office that Daddy07 had passed away due to poor health a year ago.

Are. I. P.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2268949]I don't like them being called whs or hos. I don't know any hookers in america. I don't think they should be called wh---s either.

Just my opinion though, you should use whatever word you think best.[/QUOTE]LOL. But that is the literal definition of a woman that has sex with a man for money. It is even in the bible. What else should we not call by what it is?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2268946]Totally agree. I enjoy the encounter much better when I treat the girls as human beings worthy of respect rather than just receptacles for my discharge.[/QUOTE]I am with you guys strongly on this and it really bothers me when guys treat the girls as somehow lesser. This is a damn tough job that all of us would fail miserably at (even if we had a pussy!) plus they are brightening the day / week / month of another human being. What is not to love?

So what is the best name for this job? Sex Worker is so antiseptic and the good ones provide so much more than sex. These women completely change my outlook on life for gods sake!

I'm going with "Quality of Life Improvement Specialist" !

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2268975]I am with you guys strongly on this <snip>

So what is the best name for this job? Sex Worker is so antiseptic and the good ones provide so much more than sex. These women completely change my outlook on life for gods sake![/QUOTE]I prefer the term "working girls" or "pros" used in comparison to "amateurs" or "part time girls". And I agree with you, Turgid, and Horatio among many others that the words "whorre" & "hoe" have negative, demeaning connotations in the English language. I only use those words when I wish to describe a negative attribute about someone in particular like an unfaithful ex-girlfriend or a corrupt politician. LOL. I happen to be very fond of a lot of working girls. I have no reason to denigrate or insult them unless they try to rip me off.

I highly recommend the early French New Wave film, "Les Bonnes Femmes" ( "the Good Girls") directed by film legend Claude Chabrol. I first saw it when I was in college. 4 young Parisian girls trying to make it on their own in the big city and it does not always work out so well. A great film!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2268957]A bit off topic!

A few years back we had a falling out and our friendship parted ways with me wishing him the best while living here in Pattaya. Through the years I would run into him during his Go Go's outings but the last year and a half I've not seen him anywhere nor seen any reporting. My memory serves me right he was reporting well before 2007, on the Thailand forum we came to meet when he retired and settle in Pattaya Jomtien area in 2007.

I was in his area yesterday afternoon and decided to stop by his Condo to check on his status and found out through the office that Daddy07 had passed away due to poor health a year ago.

Are. I. P.[/QUOTE]Thanks for reporting this sad news. I'm not sure whether I ever met him or not. I did meet a poster with the word "Daddy" in his title in Pattaya once. I clearly remember Daddy07 was a very frequent poster on Thailand boards.

Rest in Peace Daddy07.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268958]LOL. But that is the literal definition of a woman that has sex with a man for money. It is even in the bible. What else should we not call by what it is?[/QUOTE]A Rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. It's really not about what you call the girls it's about respecting them and not seeing them as uneducated lazy low life's. I'm not judging you and it seems you enjoy their company quite a lot but just maybe a little more appreciation of who they are what they do for a living wouldn't go amiss.

I wondered down to walking street for a NYE treat and my first stop was the windmill to see about my proven 3 some and was surprised to find out they were both no longer working there. Even my favorite mamasan was no longer there. In my opinion the mean mamasan upstairs and her butch minion has changed things for the worst. Windmill was my #1 last two trips. Mamasan joy? Was like the conductor with the ladies. Now it seems like a little less action. Just my. 02 though.

I attempted to try a new girl that was in the same naughty play mat position upstairs but was told barfine was 6000. In disbelief, I say total 6000 baht and they say no 6000 to bar and girl seperate. I immediately headed for the door. I think I learned why Pattaya is no good for NYE.

I walk down to sugar baby to check out the scene and only stayed for one beer. I was hoping old mamasan and proven 3 some would be found there as I know when Annabelle was open they moved around mamasan and ladies. I found one lady to my taste and no familiar faces so I moved on.

Next stop was Panda to see what all the hype was about. About 40 ladies or so. Most of the good ones were with customer by this time. I stuck around for two drinks but decided to move on. Overall good talent and the ladies dressed in bikinis were pretty fn sexy. I take it models were in bikinis but didn't inquire about pricing. I think it deserves a return when I get back in 2 weeks and plan to make it a first stop.

I wondered down to what's up and I have to say this is a favorite. The place always has lots of stunners in my opinion. Mamasan is freaking awesome as well. This is where the night got interesting. I ran into a guy from my home town in the states. What's the odds right? We barfine two models LT and take them to insomnia where I had a table reserved. I'm ashamed to say the price but it seemed it was a ongoing theme at all gogos I stopped at. NYE caused inflation. 10 k baht for each LT and I forget the exact breakdown of BF vs lady. Long story short they end up too mao after a little champagne and a few jello shots which I'm not even sure contain alcohol. I ask if momma sick at home too. They laugh and apparently didn't get the hint. They say too mao again and I repeat mama sick. They ended up leaving a hour into Insomnia and I went to talk to mamasan. At the prices being charged I wasn't willing to write this off. Mamasan took care of it minus a couple thousand baht which considering the insomnia time I felt was fair enough. Better than being out all of it. She is a awesome lady! I bought her LD upon entering and she actually bought me like 5 tequilas before friend showed up and another round after he showed up. This was all before ladies joined table BTW.

Slightly past 1 am I wondered back over to windmill. I talk to the waitress I've known since my first trip and ask about the full bodied tattooed lady I inquired about earlier. I was hoping with closing time near prices would of become reasonable. She was gone! Waitress says barfine me. So I end up BF the waitress which was only 1. 5 k baht BF and her part wasn't discussed. Back at the hotel she started off shy asking for beer to help. After a few drinks, some DFK and DATY she was a beast in the bed. I may be moving into the staying away from expensive stunners group here. I'm seeing the reoccurring theme the more I visit.

Night 3 of SEA tour Pattaya I continued with the waitress. I found a awesome GFE and stuck with it. Still no mention of her fee. I took her for massage and to buy a couple outfits because she have no clothes for day 2 without going home. To be honest I wanted to fix her situation up a little. Taking her into my forced 5 star hotel (due to nemos overbooking) royal cliff beach hotel (review coming ASAP) with the way she was dressed was causing too much attention. She had a bag that was all marked up and looked like something my daughter had when she was 6 playing with crayons with it. Socks and shoes that would make you look twice. Her jeans looked horrible but she did have a nice newer top. After shopping we went to windmill so she could change into the bra and panties I bought and here comes mamasan talking double the BF vs on NYE night. 3 k baht BF for waitress? It pissed me off! I took money back and was ready to leave. Waitress stepped in and the crazy mamasan went away. Butch comes over and asks what's wrong and I told her mamasan no good and they need to bring back old mamasan. The mamasan downstairs was one of the ones around before and she is awesome but the new manly one upstairs has some issues. I'm by far not a cheap charlie. I pay for what I want without thinking twice and tip well when deserved but I'm not going to be taken advantage of. Maybe my inexperience on NYE is to blame for this. Maybe I just felt like they were trying to bend me over without lube but in reality it's just the way things are on NYE. Either way I don't like that mamasans ways. The way she raises her voice and talks like a possessed demon is crazy. Anyone know what happened to the naughty mamasan? She was so much fun! Was her name Joy? I'm probably wrong on name. I'm bad with names and really bad with Thailand names.

Sorry not much good reporting here fellas. Hopefully, day 4 and 5 in BKK will be more beneficial to others. Considering waitress said she never get barfine I will leave her anonymous. Wouldn't be hard to figure it out though. Tonight I will explore Nana for the first time. I will try to take notes so I can provide better details.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2268996]I prefer the term "working girls" or "pros" used in comparison to "amateurs" or "part time girls". [/QUOTE]Problem with that is that pro is short for PROstitute, not professional.

This is my first real trip report in 2 1/2 years. The reason for my lack of activity is due to being diagnosed with cancer in July 2016. Subsequent treatment including chemo, radiation and sundry side effects kept me on the bench until just recently when I got the all clear from my doctors to travel. I also had a urinary tract operation resulting in a nasty side effect called retrograde ejaculation (google it if you want to know the offputting details).

So it's basically been this length of time since I have enjoyed carnal pleasures. I aarived in Bangkok several days ago and have been a bit apprehensive about taking the plunge. Yesterday decided to travel to Pattaya for my initial experiment. All not the way, I heard about a club called the Camel Toe located a bit outside the city center. Here below are my findings.

I took a Grab Taxi for 190 b and arrived 15 minutes later. It's in an inausipicious location on the side of a remote road with a metal yellow street sign that has an illustration of a camel and the word toe beneath. I almost walked out immediately as the bullpen talent hanging outside was not impressive. Indeed, downright awful with the exception of one pretty and petite girl called Pim.

Pim followed me in and sat across from me. My Heineken was 55 b and her LD was 120 b. The mama San said her company was 1000 b (or up), no BF, and the room was 300. She nozzled up to me for a bit and then I decided now or never. I told MamaSan it's go time.

Whereupon we hopped on a motorcycle to a short destination nearby.

A quick shower, some light kissing and DATY, which she abruptly stopped as I think she was close to coming. Anyway, did the deed and got that monkey off my back.

Would I repeat? No way would I go to that place again. The rest of the girls were god awful and the place is a dump. The girl was new and it showed in her weak performance but at least I know everything is in semi working order.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2269146]This is my first real trip report in 2 1/2 years. The reason for my lack of activity is due to being diagnosed with cancer <snip> The girl was new and it showed in her weak performance but at least I know everything is in semi working order.[/QUOTE]I am glad to hear you beat the big "C". My younger sister was not so fortunate.

So now that you are back in the game, I am sure we all look forward to hearing about your future exploits. LOL. But I have to admit that I am a little puzzled as to why you chose Camel Toe for your 1st auspicious return to the fold. Camel Toe is certainly a colorful honky tonk, but I would have chosen an upscale place like Infinity, Sensations, or What's Up to celebrate such a significant event. Nevertheless, You're back after a long an arduous journey that many do not survive. And that is truly great news and something to celebrate.

Rock on! And stay healthy.

NB.

Dear members of ISG,

It is the first time that I make a post on this forum but I've already been following the posts from Pattaya for a couple of months. First I want to apologise if there are some typo's in my text because my English isn't very good.

On the 1st of October, me and a friend are going to Thailand for the first time. First we are going to the Phi Phi Islands and then (finally) to Pattaya. Because of all the posts on this forum I have a general idea of what I want to go visit in Pattaya.

First of all, I am really looking forward to soi 6. I'll probably visit soi 6 every day (I am staying for 8 days in Pattaya). I will do ST but am hoping that some girls also want to do LT when their shift has ended (around 2 AM). My main plan is to take a girl for LT so that I have a 'shot' in the evening and one in the morning (maybe a shot extra in the evening if I pay extra). Soi 6 in general sounds like the best place for me. I am almost thirty but aren't really good with women. I am social but aren't a great talker with girls / women my age. So this will be a good opportunity to practice.

Except soi 6, I am also looking at taking some girls from BR to my hotel for LT. I've read somewhere that these girls mostly don't wonna do LT so I can settle for ST in the evening and around noon I can go to soi 6. I'll just have to wait and see. I've also read that the girls from BR may lower the prices after 2 AM because then the possibility will lower that they can find another customer. I am willing to pay around 800-1300 for ST and 2000-2500 for LT. For an extra shot I am willing to pay 500. FYI, these prices I am willing to pay for girls from soi 6 and BR.

So soi 6 and BR are my main places to find girls. I am also planning to visit other places like some gogo bars and soapy massage. The problem is that I don't have a really large budget just for mongering (700-900 euro = 25900 - 33300 baht) so I know I won't get 'top shelf' girls for the price that I am willing to pay. Gogo girls sounds too expensive for my taste but I will go and visit some bars just so that I know how it is inside. I will probably visit a soapy massage 1 time only because soi 6 will be generally better.

Also some beergardens are on my list to visit. Just to know how the girls look there, what their prices are and to see if its any fun.

After my visit to Thailand, I'll make a big post of my first impressions and which girls I took where for what price. It isn't the first time I've gone mongering but it will be the first time international (I'm from Western-Europe) so I hope it will be a vacation to remember.

If any of you guys have any tips for me, you may always post them on this forum or send me a personal message. When I have some questions, I'll probably post them here.

*I actually have one question already. Do you guys know if the girls frol soi 6 are willing to do LT after their shift and how much will this probably cost? If the answer to this question has already been posted I apologize.

Greetings.

I picked Camel Toe because I was under the impression it was a bit more upscale both in decor and quality than it turned out to be. As soon as I walked in, I realized my mistake but I could not extricate myself that easily as my taxi had already departed and found myself standing there thinking Oops! However, this girl seemed cute enough who was standing nearby but she really wasn't that into it, though that same attitude can manifest itself in any club. Good thing she was available as everyone else there was completely unacceptable. Also, I really don't know one club from the other in Pattaya. I do like Red Car and actually have had success there in the past but the damn music is so loud in there as with the gogo's, I find it quite bothersome. I found the best aspect was the Toe was very quiet. Of course, it was virtually empty. I woUld been off for a daytime assignation at the Tahitian Queen in retrospect.

You may remember my posts from a few years ago as I almost exclusively patronized Bangkok Beat and wrote several reports about it. I still to this day have never taken a girl from a go-go in Bangkok as I don't like the strictly transactional aspect of talking to girls in there, the bar fine, dealing with mamasan etc. Now that the Beat is gone, I am having trouble finding a suitable replacement.

I was a very patient fellow in my Bangkok Beat days and waited it out until someone up to my standards appeared. On several occasions, I went home empty handed but had some great experiences there as well.

Thanks for your best wishes.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2269192]I am glad to hear you beat the big "C". My younger sister was not so fortununate
So now that you are back in the game, I am sure we all look forward to hearing about your future exploits. LOL. But I have to admit that I am a little puzzled as to why you chose Camel Toe for your 1st auspicious return to the fold. Camel Toe is certainly a colorful honky tonk, but I would have chosen an upscale place like Infinity, Sensations, or What's Up to celebrate such a significant event. Nevertheless, You're back after a long an arduous journey that many do not survive. And that is truly great news and something to celebrate.

Rock on! And stay healthy.

NB.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2269302]I picked Camel Toe because I was under the impression it was a bit more upscale both in decor and quality than it turned out to be.

Also, I really don't know one club from the other in Pattaya. [/QUOTE]If the Gentleman's Club concept interests you then Kinnaree Place or Passion in the Jomtien area might be of interest. Both a bit awkward to get to without a mototaxi or Grab (walk is doable in 10 or 15 minutes from bahtbus too) but worth a look as daytime options. I've only been to each once so far, but when I went the choices were interesting enough for me to stay and enjoy myself. I will be back.

And the facilities and decor are much nicer too. Rooms are on site also.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2268933]I keep pretty good records each trip as well but never broke it down this way.[/QUOTE]You can record it however you want! My method is hardly ideal, but it works for me.

[QUOTE] For clarification in the 33 that's per session not per round right? [/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE]So a girl let once at night and again in morning is just a 1 count.[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE]But if you take the girl again in a couple days it's now a 2 right? [/QUOTE]Yes. However, I count that second time as a repeat. This way I can keep track of the total number of different women I have had intercourse with.

[QUOTE]Did you count BJ bar as a half or not at all?[/QUOTE]There were no such encounters, so they were not included at all. I suppose I would include the costs if / when it happens.

[QUOTE=Allover;2268663]

P.S. Tried to send a private message but you're mailbox is full.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I cleared it out! Thanks.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269045]Problem with that is that pro is short for PROstitute, not professional.[/QUOTE]Since when? I think you're trolling now.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2269450]Since when? I think you're trolling now.[/QUOTE]Pro can be used as an abbreviation of both professional and prostitute. Obviously depends on the context.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2269450]Since when? I think you're trolling now.[/QUOTE]Not trolling at all. What do you say it is? Certainly not professional. Who ever refers to a hooker as a professional? A professional what? You see pros (prostitutes or paid women) and non-pros (non-prostitute or chick that does not take money for sex). You see nothing about anyone asking or posting about amateurs. Who would even know if a chick is an amateur besides her telling you that she is new at it (if you were to even believe it)? Whenever someone has written about a non-pro have you taken it to mean a chick that is new at fucking guys for money?

Anyone else noticed the number of new karaoke bars popping up around town? Walked along Central Pattaya Road the other night and noticed 3 karaoke bars just east of Soi Buakhao (across from So Cool Massage). Maybe they were always around and I just never noticed them? Anyone been?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269045]Problem with that is that pro is short for PROstitute, not professional.[/QUOTE]In a P4 P context I would associate "pro" as shorthand for professional, but I am sure there are different regional connotations. Bottom line is she has sex for money. And in any case it is a slang phrase meant to be taken figuratively, not literally.

SL.

[QUOTE=DonkeyLeg;2269464]Pro can be used as an abbreviation of both professional and prostitute.[/QUOTE]To chime in, IMHO, "pro" always means professional. In Thailand, there are both pro and non-pro prostitutes. Professional prostitutes are full-time bargirls, massage girls or freelancers, which primarily make a living from selling sex. Non-pros, on the other hand, are part-timers who might have sex for money occasionally (or even somewhat regularly), but tend to have a regular job or study. Some might even pretend not to be prostitutes and not see themselves as such, but would still go out and take money for sex at the end of the night.

As I see it, a woman who is not part of the scene at all, who is never available on short notice for a price, is a "civilian", not a "non-pro".

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2269670]Non-pros, on the other hand, are part-timers who might have sex for money occasionally (or even somewhat regularly), but tend to have a regular job or study. Some might even pretend not to be prostitutes and not see themselves as such, but would still go out and take money for sex at the end of the night.[/QUOTE]In other threads people use the word semi-pro for this description.

[QUOTE=Thomasfrom89;2269295]Dear members of ISG,

It is the first time that I make a post on this forum but I've already been following the posts from Pattaya for a couple of months. First I want to apologise if there are some typo's in my text because my English isn't very good.

On the 1st of October, me and a friend are going to Thailand for the first time. First we are going to the Phi Phi Islands and then (finally) to Pattaya. Because of all the posts on this forum I have a general idea of what I want to go visit in Pattaya.

First of all, I am really looking forward to soi 6. I'll probably visit soi 6 every day (I am staying for 8 days in Pattaya). I will do ST but am hoping that some girls also want to do LT when their shift has ended (around 2 AM). My main plan is to take a girl for LT so that I have a 'shot' in the evening and one in the morning (maybe a shot extra in the evening if I pay extra). Soi 6 in general sounds like the best place for me. I am almost thirty but aren't really good with women. I am social but aren't a great talker with girls / women my age. So this will be a good opportunity to practice.

Except soi 6, I am also looking at taking some girls from BR to my hotel for LT. I've read somewhere that these girls mostly don't wonna do LT so I can settle for ST in the evening and around noon I can go to soi 6. I'll just have to wait and see. I've also read that the girls from BR may lower the prices after 2 AM because then the possibility will lower that they can find another customer. I am willing to pay around 800-1300 for ST and 2000-2500 for LT. For an extra shot I am willing to pay 500. FYI, these prices I am willing to pay for girls from soi 6 and BR..[/QUOTE]If your budget is limited you should check out the night clubs / discos on Walking Street like iBar, Insomnia, Marine, 808, Flexx, Lucifer, Pier etc. These are all total hooker-discos, meaning that at least 80-90% of all the girls in them are actually freelancers looking for business. Also many gogo girls frequent these places, after their bars have closed around 3 am and after. Soi 6 girls appear even earlier. Most girls here will go with you for 1,000 Baht (and that's usually for LT). Some of the youngest and hottest girls will ask for 2,000 Baht or so but that's negotiable of course, depending on your age, look and style. You will probably get the price down a little if you party with them first and if you are fun company.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2269670]To chime in, IMHO, "pro" always means professional.[/QUOTE][URL]https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/pro[/URL]

I agree it usually means professional but not always. It can and is commonly used as slang when referring to a prostitute. As I mentioned in an earlier post I dislike the term prostitute and other derogatory descriptions when referring to what I prefer to call working girls which I realize makes no sense as a title for what they do. It just sounds more respectful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269681]In other threads people use the word semi-pro for this description.[/QUOTE]In Asia, true. In USA, semi-pro is another term for a truck-stop girl. Sometimes instead refers to a woman who more closely resembles a tractor-trailer than a pickup.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2269489]Not trolling at all. What do you say it is? Certainly not professional. Who ever refers to a hooker as a professional? A professional what? [/QUOTE]To be honest with you I never realized it could also be short for prostitute. Nevertheless I have the feeling that most people here use / read it as an abbreviation for professional, meaning a girl who's only job is selling her body to make a living.

So in this case it has nothing to do with being highly educated. Unfortunately because some of them could use a little education.

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2269302]You may remember my posts from a few years ago as I almost exclusively patronized Bangkok Beat and wrote several reports about it. I still to this day have never taken a girl from a go-go in Bangkok as I don't like the strictly transactional aspect of talking to girls in there, the bar fine, dealing with mamasan etc. Now that the Beat is gone, I am having trouble finding a suitable replacement.[/QUOTE]I remember your posts well, and even made a jaunt over to BB myself to check it out. Alas, I was not able to recreate the same groove you had, but appreciated your perspective on it. I look forward to reading your next set of reports, now that you are back in the saddle.

A person can be a professional at any job. I saw this in a news report recently: "In sentencing Carey Ackies, 36, USA District Judge George Z. Singal said the New York man was a professional drug dealer who was responsible for sending substantial amounts of drugs to Maine. " In mongering parlance a pro is a professional provider of sex for money.

Thanks Kumbu.

In my semi-desperate attempts to recreate the atmosphere at BB, I decided to give Hillary 2 bar on Soi 4 a try last night. It has some of the same elements as BB including a live band playing rock music, wood beams and shoddy floors, a decrepit pool table, similar bohemian ambience and quite a few girls. The waitress directed me to a bar top table near the entrance to the ladies room where there was a quartet of women some of whom looked very familair. As it turns out, one women remembered me from BB and I remembered her as I generally tried to avoid her at BB as she was always quite persistent with me but I never found her that attractive. Not much has changed as she was all over me while I drank at their table. Touching my hair, stroking my arm, rubbing my back— you know the picture.

Finally after an hour or so, she says 😉to me 'you go home with me'. I wasn't interested in her three years years ago and nothing has changed except we are older. I would estimate her age as mid 40's. I respectively declined but quickly rejoined as a joke that I had no money honey. With that comment, she eventually wearied of me and moved to another table and was replaced by an attractive girl who grabbed a perch next to me. Another friend of the BB girl also reappeared at my table. My conversation with the new girl quickly revealed she was a Vietnamese from HoChiMinh City and spoke very good English. She took classes for a year and it showed. Her tourist visa is for 30 days and doubt she is doing many tourist activities per se but, nevertheless she was pleasant and attractive. It also became apparent that she did not speak Thai as she ended up speaking English with the other Thai girl at the table. More on the other girl in a moment.

One huge change for me from my prior stay in Bangkok is the cancer clearly has taken its toll on me. I don't have the energy level I use to have, and my bladder and GI tract don't function as well as they used to. In short, I have to pick my spots when I feel healthy. Tonight was not of them but nevertheless I exchanged What's App information with the Viet girl but then threw her back in the pool. An hour or so later, she was still looking for company (about 3 am). It was a tough night for girls. There were a lot girls there last night looking for company. I mean a lot. Not all were great looking but certainly there were several ladies under a different set of circumstances I would have proudly taken home.

So after she left, I started talking with the other Thai girl. She told me that she had a Finnish boy friend and doesn't go with other guys. Apparently, he is coming to Thailand soon. I had bought a round of drinks for these girls earlier and this girl insisted on buying me a drink to compensate for buying her a drink earlier. Nice girl and reimbursing me for a drink you don't see happen very often. This lady was def cute with daisy mae cutoff shorts and had a real spinner look to her. My only problem was she started suggesting that I was gay because I blew off her friend and the Vietnam girl. My other problem was she was proud of her unavailability as she blew off several guys who were trying to pick her up. A bit full of herself! Sounds like she has a nice sponsorship arrangement but at least she is holding up her end of the bargain.

Finally, I decided to leave but the original Thai girl from BB cruised by and told me that she had made her offer to me as a freebie. She was clearly annoyed with me so at least I accomplished something. Frankly, even with that I was not interested since she hangs out there and this would prob make me off limits to all her friends etc. It's never free anyway LOL.

I do have to say that last night Hillary 2 was quite active and many women appeared around closing hours. The faráng guys in there seemed less interested from my observation in pursuing the girls which contributed to a bit of a sense of desperation with the girls who were looking for an early morning assignation. .

I plan to contact the Viet girl though my experience has been girls from Vietnam are great in their country but not so good when you go with them out inside of their country. We shall see.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2270044]I remember your posts well, and even made a jaunt over to BB myself to check it out. Alas, I was not able to recreate the same groove you had, but appreciated your perspective on it. I look forward to reading your next set of reports, now that you are back in the saddle.[/QUOTE]

Oops. The below report belongs in the Bangkok thread.

Ying has been my regular here. She was busy today so I went for King, a taller girl. What a disaster. She played the giddy goat when I asked for 69, alleging "me no English". Eventually I showed her the position on my phone. She took the position but contrived to keep her genitalia out of reach. When I required doggy she twisted her back and didn't curve. I paid and left.

[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2269597]In a P4 P context I would associate "pro" as shorthand for professional, but I am sure there are different regional connotations. Bottom line is she has sex for money. And in any case it is a slang phrase meant to be taken figuratively, not literally.

SL.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, in other languages such as French where the words "prostitute" and "professional" coexist like in English, "pro" is short for professional, not for prostitute. It can also be applied to a man to underline his outstanding skills in dealing with difficult situations. "Man you're a pro" is a compliment, not an insult.

[QUOTE=XXL;2270399]Ying has been my regular here. She was busy today so I went for King, a taller girl. What a disaster. She played the giddy goat when I asked for 69, alleging "me no English". Eventually I showed her the position on my phone. She took the position but contrived to keep her genitalia out of reach. When I required doggy she twisted her back and didn't curve. I paid and left.[/QUOTE]Doggy is always part of my repertoire in my sessions. I always encounter pros who twist their back to avoid full penetration. I find that patience is best in that circumstance. When that happens I tend to spend a longer time in doggy and wear her out my means of attrition. Eventually she will tire of twisting her back and stay put at which time I will use my hands to curve her back to my liking and then proceed to give her a good seeing to.

Hi,

I am planning a week long trip to Pattaya end of May. From what I have seen in the reports best quality girls can be had by paying the Bar fine.

I don't like it but so be it. My main question is what to do at Day time? Can a Girl be hired as a quasi Tour Guide during the Day and share the bed at night? Doesn't have to be the same girl for the entire week. For this what is best; Bar Girl pay LT Bar fine, Free lancer, or temporary GF?

In regards for sight seeing is there enough to see in Pattaya or does it require longer transit to BKK or other area's. This is my first trip to Thailand but I am regularly traveling in Asia. I have seen my share of Temples and Buddha's. Not really a beach going type for the entire week.

Hi guys,

I am coming to Pattaya at the end of the month for a couple of weeks. Just a couple of practical questions for those in the know and with experience.

To get the most out of my LT encounters, where is the best place to get blue pills (generic or what have you), what's on offer, what are the costs and are street traders reliable? Is it best to get these pills before coming to Pattaya?

Where is the best place to exchange money at best rates. Should this be done in Bangkok (if so where) or in Pattaya, and if so where are the best banks / ATMs?

[QUOTE=Frisk;2270549]Hi,

I am planning a week long trip to Pattaya end of May. From what I have seen in the reports best quality girls can be had by paying the Bar fine.

I don't like it but so be it. My main question is what to do at Day time? Can a Girl be hired as a quasi Tour Guide during the Day and share the bed at night? Doesn't have to be the same girl for the entire week. For this what is best; Bar Girl pay LT Bar fine, Free lancer, or temporary GF?

In regards for sight seeing is there enough to see in Pattaya or does it require longer transit to BKK or other area's. This is my first trip to Thailand but I am regularly traveling in Asia. I have seen my share of Temples and Buddha's. Not really a beach going type for the entire week.[/QUOTE]One chick I met on Soi 6 said that LT with her means 550 baht Barfine, plus 3000 baht for her for which she will stay from 5 pm to 9 am the next morning. This is understandable as she could probably generate more revenue in that allotted time from from just doing 1000 baht per pop ST.

One freelancer I met on beach road said she stayed fulltime with a client for an entire month and she received 2000 baht in remuneration per day for her services which included cooking and cleaning.

It all depends on the girl and her particular working circumstances as to whether she can be your tour guide in the day. I suppose the skankier the girl the more likely that she will stay longer hours with you.

[QUOTE=Franga;2270908]I suppose the skankier the girl the more likely that she will stay longer hours with you.[/QUOTE]LOL. How did you end up with that supposition? When me and wingmen started traveling to new places we would always get the hookers to show us around. First time in Bangkok it was the same. Chicks from Angel Disco in Nana Hotel where we were staying took us around to tour. A lot would depend on the chemistry between you and the girl. If she does not like you and just wants to hurry up and get it over with then no.

I would say the best results come from meeting freelancers in the discos. They are used to staying with guys LT and giving more of GFE and being actual girlfriends. And they are subject to know more about the place because they do it with guys all the time. Most chicks in the bars probably don't know a damn thing about Pattaya. You would be surprised how many chicks on Soi 6 have never even been to Walking Street.

So go to a disco at night, find a chick you like and see how things are going with her. Tell her you want her to stay with you and ask if she can show you around when you guys wake up the next day.

Also, whenever we knew we wanted to go to Koh Larn (Coral Island) the next day, we would tell the girls when we met them in the disco then take them to their room to get their swimsuit before we went back to the hotel. We wouldn't get back from the island until about 6 pm so our LT lasted from like 2 or 3 am until 6 pm the next evening for 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2270938]LOL. How did you end up with that supposition? When me and wingmen started traveling to new places we would always get the hookers to show us around. First time in Bangkok it was the same. Chicks from Angel Disco in Nana Hotel where we were staying took us around to tour. A lot would depend on the chemistry between you and the girl. If she does not like you and just wants to hurry up and get it over with then no.

I would say the best results come from meeting freelancers in the discos. They are used to staying with guys LT and giving more of GFE and being actual girlfriends. And they are subject to know more about the place because they do it with guys all the time. Most chicks in the bars probably don't know a damn thing about Pattaya. You would be surprised how many chicks on Soi 6 have never even been to Walking Street.

So go to a disco at night, find a chick you like and see how things are going with her. Tell her you want her to stay with you and ask if she can show you around when you guys wake up the next day.

Also, whenever we knew we wanted to go to Koh Larn (Coral Island) the next day, we would tell the girls when we met them in the disco then take them to their room to get their swimsuit before we went back to the hotel. We wouldn't get back from the island until about 6 pm so our LT lasted from like 2 or 3 am until 6 pm the next evening for 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]This is great, Mr. E. I will be going to Patts in September and will try some of this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2270938]Most chicks in the bars probably don't know a damn thing about Pattaya. You would be surprised how many chicks on Soi 6 have never even been to Walking Street.[/QUOTE]So true. I do find it rather odd how many Soi 6 girls have never been to even Walking Street. Talked to one the other day and she didn't even know where Terminal 21 was.

Same for some gogo girls and different bars on Walking Street.

Ginza Girl: Do you know any bars where I may make more money?
Me: I think you would make a killing at Sensations or Palace.
Ginza Girl: I never heard of those bars. Where are they?
Me: <no words. Just a confused stare since Sensations is the next bar and Palace is right across the street, both literally less than 100 feet away>

However, went bar hopping with a Palace model last month and she knew which bars were good and bad as well as I did. She also knew girls and waiters from every bar.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2270938]LOL. How did you end up with that supposition? When me and wingmen started traveling to new places we would always get the hookers to show us around. First time in Bangkok it was the same. Chicks from Angel Disco in Nana Hotel where we were staying took us around to tour. A lot would depend on the chemistry between you and the girl. If she does not like you and just wants to hurry up and get it over with then no.[/QUOTE]

Bang on again. Has happened to both myself and my friends. Once they know you are new to a city they will jump at the chance to take you around if they enjoy spending time with you. Best advice I can give any less experienced guys is do not let the charm and skill some of these girls have get to you. If they act special with you they have acted that way to many guys before and after you, even if you become their Sponsor.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2270870]Hi guys,

I am coming to Pattaya at the end of the month for a couple of weeks. Just a couple of practical questions for those in the know and with experience.

To get the most out of my LT encounters, where is the best place to get blue pills (generic or what have you), what's on offer, what are the costs and are street traders reliable? Is it best to get these pills before coming to Pattaya?

Where is the best place to exchange money at best rates. Should this be done in Bangkok (if so where) or in Pattaya, and if so where are the best banks / ATMs?[/QUOTE]If you sit on the beach chairs or at open air bars it won't take too long before vendors come by with pills &/ or gels. There are usually vendor tables set up on the east side of Beach Rd around Soi 13/3 at night with them too. Pharmacies have but prices are all over the place. I've taken 100's of doses and reliability has been fine. Try to bargain ฿200 for a box of 4 pills.

I had my bank card swallowed by a ATM in Mexico one time so now I only go to machines attached to open banks. That has saved me a few times from losing my card in Thailand, 8 k miles from my bank. If you go to the big mall on Beach Rd called Central Festival there is a cluster of about 5-6 banks on the 4th floor next to the department store. They all have money exchange rates posted. Rates vary so compare them.

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2271131]I had my bank card swallowed by a ATM in Mexico one time so now I only go to machines attached to open banks. That has saved me a few times from losing my card in Thailand,.[/QUOTE]I would say that is a smart move, unless you need money when the bank is closed. One on Soi 8 ate my cousin's card some years back. Finally got me for the first time 2 months ago at the airport in the Dominican Republic. (Fortunately I have 3 banks.) It just happened to be attached to the bank, but it was closed. I went back the next day and they retrieved my card along with someone else's from the machine. No idea what avenues I would have had to go through had the machine not been attached to the bank.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271071]So true. I do find it rather odd how many Soi 6 girls have never been to even Walking Street. Talked to one the other day and she didn't even know where Terminal 21 was.

Same for some gogo girls and different bars on Walking Street.

Ginza Girl: Do you know any bars where I may make more money?
Me: I think you would make a killing at Sensations or Palace.
Ginza Girl: I never heard of those bars. Where are they?
Me: <no words. Just a confused stare since Sensations is the next bar and Palace is right across the street, both literally less than 100 feet away>

However, went bar hopping with a Palace model last month and she knew which bars were good and bad as well as I did. She also knew girls and waiters from every bar.



Bang on again. Has happened to both myself and my friends. Once they know you are new to a city they will jump at the chance to take you around if they enjoy spending time with you. Best advice I can give any less experienced guys is do not let the charm and skill some of these girls have get to you. If they act special with you they have acted that way to many guys before and after you, even if you become their Sponsor.[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Baraquda one time and a bar girl from Soi Post Office didn't even know where it was and it was the first thing you saw when you looked left out of her bar 555555.

[QUOTE=Frisk;2270549]Hi,

I am planning a week long trip to Pattaya end of May. From what I have seen in the reports best quality girls can be had by paying the Bar fine.

I don't like it but so be it. My main question is what to do at Day time? Can a Girl be hired as a quasi Tour Guide during the Day and share the bed at night? Doesn't have to be the same girl for the entire week. For this what is best; Bar Girl pay LT Bar fine, Free lancer, or temporary GF?

In regards for sight seeing is there enough to see in Pattaya or does it require longer transit to BKK or other area's. This is my first trip to Thailand but I am regularly traveling in Asia. I have seen my share of Temples and Buddha's. Not really a beach going type for the entire week.[/QUOTE]I'm not recommend this.

In the daytime you will see a lot of semipro and have to let go because you are already with a girl.

Never forget in Pattaya there s only today and now.

I am sure any body who has ever frequented Pattaya probably has a story like this to tell.

It was August end 2016 and I was heart-broken from a long relationship going bad. So beginning of October, I landed up in Pattaya for a week to take my mind off things. My 4th trip to Pattaya and 7th to Thailand. The trip went as expected with girls, sun, beer and the beach until two evenings before I was to fly back home, I found myself at Bliss on Walking Street. After ordering a beer, I started eyeing two birds to bar-fine. One was a young, tight 20 something with an ass to kill for. The other was slightly older with a cutest smile and smoothest skin. I was already buying drinks, grabbing ass and fondling with the younger one when my eyes fell on the older one. She flashed her cute smile to change my plans to finishing with the young one and buy couple drinks for her before deciding between the two. Alas, I ended up bar-fining the young one for the night as the other was nowhere to be seen. I found her on my way out sitting at the door. She smiled again and I told her that I will come back for her the next day. She yelled as I moved on that I should ask for Oui.

The next eve. Being my last one. I didn't wait for it to be too late. I reached Bliss and immediately grabbed Oui to buy her few drinks. She was very easy to talk to and comforting. We finished our drinks and were on our way to my hotel. Now, I have been mongering since the year 2000 but never have I had as wonderful a GF experience as I did with Oui. A lot of kissing, licking, teasing and cuddling. After our initial two rounds, we went out for some food, drinks and to couple rounds of pool. By the time were back, we were drunk and horny again. It was around 12 am and my taxi was to pick me up for the airport at 8. We were having sex till 6. She wouldn't let me sleep. I thought I was going to have a heart attack.

We stayed in touch in the next months with her obliging me with her masturbating videos and boob pics. Needless to say, I was back in Pattaya for the New Years. For those 5 days we were together almost everyday. We watched movies at Central Festival, went for good Thai food, shopped at local markets and spent lazy afternoons napping and fucking. She used to go away when she got a hint from me that I wanted to try another girl for a change. Heck. I was in Pattaya. But she would call couple of hours later to check whether she can come back. What a girl!

I think she never thought of herself as a WG. She dressed well and had good sense of things. I left Pattaya from that trip thinking of when to come next. We kept in touch but the messages were less frequent. She was falling ill more often because of late night shifts and compulsive drinking that came with it. I sent her some money couple times so that she can take few days days off. But that wasn't solving a lot. I was back in June (or April. I don't remember) and she came over to my hotel the first afternoon. She was at the door with her cute smile. I could see that she has not been well. Even then, she took her clothes off (and mine), gave me an incredible blow-job to swallowed every last drop of what I had to offer. After she cleaned herself she laid next to me, cuddled and slept for the next 4 hours. I could sense that she had not had a decent sleep for a long time. And my cool hotel room had helped her go into a deep slumber. I still remember looking at her fine naked ass and smooth skin and thinking how beautiful she is. Little did I know that it was to be the last time we saw each other. In the next days she had gotten worst and I could not meet her. Not even to say goodbye.

We stayed in touch as I planned my next trip to Pattaya. By September she told me that she had met a guy from the Middle East who will be taking care of her. And that she cannot be in touch with me anymore as he is very possessive about her. He had already proposed to marry her and taken her to Phuket on a vacation. I am guessing by early 2018 she must've got married to the dude and moved out of Thailand cause her phone was unreachable. I kept calling and messaging on her number every couple of months. With no luck.

I truly hope our paths will cross again some time. Like with a Korean student whom I had met in Dusseldorf for a night of passionate romp before she moved back to Seoul. 8 years later I found myself in Seoul on a business trip and mailed her that I was in town. She was now married with a kid but found time to come to my hotel for an afternoon of sinful indulgence. Patience pays.

For every couple of disappointing experiences, there is a Oui that we find. That's certainly has been the case for me. And those are the ones to cherish. Here's to the Oui's in our lives.

Happy mongering!

Walked through Soi 6 today at around 4:30 pm and again it was pretty bad. Has been since the New Year. Not many girls again and more importantly no one nice. I did see one decent girl at Smoke and Mirrors but only said Hi and told her I'd be back soon. Walked through Soi Honey around 5:15 pm. Not much at Up to You and Paradise but there was one nice one half way down the soi across from Honey 1. I am wary some of these are ladyboy bars but this was a girl by voice and mannerisms. I'll spend more time with her soon, possibly in an hour or so. She did have enough facial surgery to give Syzy a heart attack though.

It's really been pretty quiet in Pattaya after New Year, even the gogo bars. Quite the difference when everything was rocking before New Year's Eve.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2271267].......................For every couple of disappointing experiences, there is a Oui that we find. That's certainly has been the case for me. And those are the ones to cherish. Here's to the Oui's in our lives.............[/QUOTE]From what you have stated I see nothing wrong with a Oui becoming a Mrs. (insert monger's surname here).

[QUOTE=GinAndTonic;2271131]...........I had my bank card swallowed by a ATM in Mexico one time so now I only go to machines attached to open banks. That has saved me a few times from losing my card in Thailand............[/QUOTE]I try to use only ATMs with the card slots that accept your card half way through rather than pulling the entire card.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2271401]I try to use only ATMs with the card slots that accept your card half way through rather than pulling the entire card.[/QUOTE]I've used many different ATMs in Thailand and can say I've never run across one where your card is left partway out of the machine. I once had my card eaten by a machine in Germany but that was years ago. I now use Charles Schwab and have two different accounts that are linked and have two different ATM cards for those accounts just in case. One gets eaten then I simply transfer the funds to the other account.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271306]Walked through Soi 6 today at around 4:30 pm and again it was pretty bad. Has been since the New Year. Not many girls again and more importantly no one nice. I did see one decent girl at Smoke and Mirrors but only said Hi and told her I'd be back soon. Walked through Soi Honey around 5:15 pm. Not much at Up to You and Paradise but there was one nice one half way down the soi across from Honey 1. I am wary some of these are ladyboy bars but this was a girl by voice and mannerisms. I'll spend more time with her soon, possibly in an hour or so. She did have enough facial surgery to give Syzy a heart attack though.

It's really been pretty quiet in Pattaya after New Year, even the gogo bars. Quite the difference when everything was rocking before New Year's Eve.[/QUOTE]Pattaya must be getting ready to close, doom and gloom. Not. Hundred thousand hookers and BB can't find any on soi 6. Better get new glasses.

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2271267]I am sure any body who has ever frequented Pattaya probably has a story like this to tell...

For every couple of disappointing experiences, there is a Oui that we find. That's certainly has been the case for me. And those are the ones to cherish. Here's to the Oui's in our lives.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Now THAT's an honest story from a log-time mongerer in Thailand. It's a complicated life these girls live, running multiple clients at the same time. And I honestly believe that the Oui types are genuinely connected to their main clients. And when one client makes the move, they see where it takes them.

I've been in a couple of similar situations, one which ended much worse than this, and the other that ended much like this one. The bad one ended because the girl, while physically spectacular, was a mental wreck. So it ended with threats of penile assassination and the like. Luckily I have not heard or seen her since the ending, which was in 2014. The other was much like yours, Kamasutra69. It was sweet, melancholy, but rewarding at the same time. This is why I keep coming back.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2271475]

I've been in a couple of similar situations, one which ended much worse than this, and the other that ended much like this one. The bad one ended because the girl, while physically spectacular, was a mental wreck. So it ended with threats of penile assassination and the like..[/QUOTE]When they start talking about ". Feeding the duck. " it's time to move on.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2271472]Pattaya must be getting ready to close, doom and gloom. Not. Hundred thousand hookers and BB can't find any on soi 6. Better get new glasses.[/QUOTE]
Idiotic comments like this is why I do not do many reports any longer.

Put posters like him on your ignore list. I aappreciate your posts and have learned a good deal from them.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271553]Idiotic comments like this is why I do not do many reports any longer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2270938]Also, whenever we knew we wanted to go to Koh Larn (Coral Island) the next day, we would tell the girls when we met them in the disco then take them to their room to get their swimsuit before we went back to the hotel. We wouldn't get back from the island until about 6 pm so our LT lasted from like 2 or 3 am until 6 pm the next evening for 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good information, but what do you do with the Girl on Koh Larn? Do they have cabana's there?

When you drop her off at six you can bar fine the next one?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271553]Idiotic comments like this is why I do not do many reports any longer.[/QUOTE]Come now. No need to be sensitive. This Thailand forum Thread has always had a lot of shit dumping posts. Germany forum was once better, but possibly not any more. Actually the Thailand thread has improved somewhat. Some of the biggest habitual shit dumpers have left, and others have reformed.

I for one believe very easily that one can go searching for talent in some places and fail to find a really exciting pretty girl. Others may take anything with a pussy. Others state the head of the girl is of no importance. Finding a great face on a great body is no that easy these days in many mongering venues. Even we have quite different taste in some ways.

In a period of 3 months, I did only 4 different P4P girls I think (one faded from memory), yet still remain quite picky. May get another in this week, but still one of my regulars. I feel semi retired from it all. Hard to find girls that excite me enough.

[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256387]Do we smoke? Yes. If you don't like it, don't come or sit further away. With me, I make it a habit to blow my smoke away from others but that is the extent of how much I care about what others think of my smoking in a GoGo.
Won't guarantee you good service every time, as i've had my fair share of bad experiences... but will better your chances overall.

Cheers you fuckers.[/QUOTE]Quite apart from it being illegal in Thailand in an indoor pub its a well accepted fact that second hand smoke damages other people's health especially staff who spend hours breathing it in. I don't understand an I don't care attitude.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271553]Idiotic comments like this is why I do not do many reports any longer.[/QUOTE]I, like many other members here, really enjoy reading your posts. We have similar tastes, and I find your reviews to be spot on. Please don't let some anonymous negative poster who's having a bad day affect your valuable contributions to this forum.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2271472]Pattaya must be getting ready to close, doom and gloom. Not. Hundred thousand hookers and BB can't find any on soi 6. Better get new glasses.[/QUOTE]For what it's worth, I didn't find anybody on Soi 6 either LOL. But, I'm not as much into Asian women as many others here are, so that could have had something to do with it. Like I have said, I actually went 72 hours straight in Pattaya, ground zero for mongering in Thailand, without seeing anybody I wanted to fuck before I saw a bar girl I liked. Nothing wrong with my eyes. It's just a matter of taste!

Soi 6 usually has tons of girls. I walk there every day I am in town. There are times I can't find a single girl suitable to me. Other times I may find several.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2271701]Quite apart from it being illegal in Thailand in an indoor pub its a well accepted fact that second hand smoke damages other people's health especially staff who spend hours breathing it in. I don't understand an I don't care attitude.[/QUOTE]If you read any of his reports you will find some arrogance there. Without knowing the poster I would say some self important East Coast Ivy League boy trying to convince the world what a champion he really is. People who actually know him please tell me I am wrong!

Spent a night bouncing around the agogos of WS. Thanks to BB for providing an overview. I think his theory is correct that many hot girls are not back yet from New Year with families. In the past I loved Sensations but the lineup was really weak now. And the AC is so cranked in there it was too cold for me anyhow. Palace had a couple decent ones but nothing worth the 2000 baht models barfine. I enjoyed Tantra though. The beers only cost 96 baht vs. 150 and 165 and the first two. I was surprised it remained this price even later into the night. The AC was set comfortably thank you. The lineup had some better girls available and the club was way less crowed than the other two. With the cheaper beer I was left scratching my head about this. But later it did get pretty busy too. Anyhow I grabbed number 151 her name pronounced Fa or Pha? Mama come over and I offered her a drink since I plan on frequenting this place. The girl speaks almost no english unfortunately. Anyhow mama told me the girl wanted to be paid now and I explained I never do that. I haven't been in Pattaya for two years. Is this some new trend or just a one-off? That was a strange request I thought and should have been a clue. So I paid the 1000 baht (after midnight) barfine and back to my place. The girl pulls out her phone and asks me three different ways to pay her before we start. Finally I say we go back to club and get my 1000 back. Should have done that. She then relented but lesson learned: girl wanting money up front is going to be lousy performer and in a big hurry. The only english she knows is "you finish". The next girl asks "you pay first" I'm going to not argue and just cut her loose.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2271883]I think his theory is correct that many hot girls are not back yet from New Year with families.[/QUOTE]Scratchin my head. How would that make a difference? Thai New Year's is not until April. You will see Thais in Pattaya celebrate things to make foreigners feel comfortable, but it really has shit to do with them. Just like the big Christmas tree they put outside at Central Festival.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2271874]If you read any of his reports you will find some arrogance there. Without knowing the poster I would say some self important East Coast Ivy League boy trying to convince the world what a champion he really is. People who actually know him please tell me I am wrong![/QUOTE]Navel gazing posts are by far the most prolific on the Thailand forum. I use the convenient ignore function to cut out a lot of these from some members. I am not judgmental but when I read somebody proudly proclaiming they don't care what effect their illegal smoking in a go go bar has I feel the need to call it out for what it is, irresponsible.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2271883]Spent a night bouncing around the agogos of WS. Thanks to BB for providing an overview. I think his theory is correct that many hot girls are not back yet from New Year with families. In the past I loved Sensations but the lineup was really weak now. And the AC is so cranked in there it was too cold for me anyhow. Palace had a couple decent ones but nothing worth the 2000 baht models barfine. I enjoyed Tantra though. The beers only cost 96 baht vs. 150 and 165 and the first two. I was surprised it remained this price even later into the night. The AC was set comfortably thank you. The lineup had some better girls available and the club was way less crowed than the other two. With the cheaper beer I was left scratching my head about this. But later it did get pretty busy too. Anyhow I grabbed number 151 her name pronounced Fa or Pha? Mama come over and I offered her a drink since I plan on frequenting this place. The girl speaks almost no english unfortunately. Anyhow mama told me the girl wanted to be paid now and I explained I never do that. I haven't been in Pattaya for two years. Is this some new trend or just a one-off? That was a strange request I thought and should have been a clue. So I paid the 1000 baht (after midnight) barfine and back to my place. The girl pulls out her phone and asks me three different ways to pay her before we start. Finally I say we go back to club and get my 1000 back. Should have done that. She then relented but lesson learned: girl wanting money up front is going to be lousy performer and in a big hurry. The only english she knows is "you finish". The next girl asks "you pay first" I'm going to not argue and just cut her loose.[/QUOTE]Songkran is their new year's which is held in mid-April. Christmas to New Year's is their week to make $$$ as westerners are holidaying in Thailand. Because it is a busy week or 2 (since the western New Year fell on a Tuesday), girls are being barfined earlier and / or holidaying with some other punter who's barfined the girl for a week. I suspect things to normalize as soon as this week since the holiday weeks are now past. Starting to get quicker replies via online chats that weren't there the last couple weeks.

Mr. E, you haven't noticed the lack of talent and girls since New Years? I have a few guys on the ground with the same opinion that there is oddly many girls missing. Many of my girls were back home and are slowly making their way back to Pattaya now.

Lucky Nuts, the gogo bar talent is WAY down from 2 years ago. It's a struggle to find super hot girls even in gogo bars in both Pattaya and Bangkok. Back in the good old days (2-3 years ago) it was so easy.

Walked through Soi 6 again about an hour ago. Yes I know I was early at 2:10 pm but I just finished lunch with a hot gogo girl at Hard Rock Cafe. Almost empty on Soi 6 and no Breadman I did not go get glasses in hopes that girls magically appear if I am wearing them. Here is how empty Soi 6 was looking at 2:10 pm. Didn't look much better after 4:30 pm the other day. Even Ruby Bar had only 10 girls the other day. Pussy Club and Red Point were likely the 2 busiest today, each with about 10 girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2272004]Mr. E, you haven't noticed the lack of talent and girls since New Years? I have a few guys on the ground with the same opinion that there is oddly many girls missing. Many of my girls were back home and are slowly making their way back to Pattaya now.

Lucky Nuts, the gogo bar talent is WAY down from 2 years ago. It's a struggle to find super hot girls even in gogo bars in both Pattaya and Bangkok. Back in the good old days (2-3 years ago) it was so easy.

Walked through Soi 6 again about an hour ago. Yes I know I was early at 2:10 pm but I just finished lunch with a hot gogo girl at Hard Rock Cafe. Almost empty on Soi 6 and no Breadman I did not go get glasses in hopes that girls magically appear if I am wearing them. Here is how empty Soi 6 was looking at 2:10 pm. Didn't look much better after 4:30 pm the other day. Even Ruby Bar had only 10 girls the other day. Pussy Club and Red Point were likely the 2 busiest today, each with about 10 girls.[/QUOTE]Our pics from Soi 6 I Pattaya shows a completely normal situation. Costumers will arrive in flock, much later.

Compared to one month ago. Half as many girls at 1 am, 2 am or 3 pm compared to before New Year. Dunno about later in the day.

[QUOTE=ManBKK;2272039]Our pics from Soi 6 I Pattaya shows a completely normal situation. Costumers will arrive in flock, much later.[/QUOTE] I am not referring to customers. I am referring to the number of girls. I couldn't care less how many customers (seagulls?) are on Soi 6.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2272376]I am not referring to customers. I am referring to the number of girls. I couldn't care less how many customers (seagulls?) are on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Maybe the OP genuinely meant "costumers" ie guys selling costumes. They arrive on the scene later in the evening, with arrays of dresses hanging from tricycles.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2272376]I am not referring to customers. I am referring to the number of girls. I couldn't care less how many customers (seagulls?) are on Soi 6.[/QUOTE]Sorry but you did not show pics of empty bars, empty for girls, but of the streets where costumers nomalle walk their legs tired.

Japanese long weekend so many girls are missing as their Sponsors are in town.

MP and I decided to check out Harem (old Pheromones). I think there were maybe 5 customers in the bar and 30-40 girls. 3 sets of girls. The topless model group was easily the least attractive for me. I really liked one girl the second I walked in. She hesitated at approaching so another one came to sit with me. I really should have kicked the one I was sitting with out but she was friendly enough to sit and chat. I knew we weren't staying long.

If you're in town it's worth checking out. After the first contracts are up, there may not be any girls remaining.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2273308]Japanese long weekend so many girls are missing as their Sponsors are in town.

MP and I decided to check out Harem (old Pheromones). I think there were maybe 5 customers in the bar and 30-40 girls. 3 sets of girls. The topless model group was easily the least attractive for me. I really liked one girl the second I walked in. She hesitated at approaching so another one came to sit with me. I really should have kicked the one I was sitting with out but she was friendly enough to sit and chat. I knew we weren't staying long.

If you're in town it's worth checking out. After the first contracts are up, there may not be any girls remaining.[/QUOTE]Harem is back? I hope they stole the old name because of the old Harem 5 years was located down on Soi Diamond near Second Road, then they told the location right across from Bacarra which is now empty and used at night to sell sunglasses, they might have also been at the space right in front of Soi Diamond that you walk up the stairs which might be called Eden now? it was a bad and poorly run operation.

After the Christmas and New year holiday which runs around two weeks many of the places slap a two week no days off on the girls so once the 2nd comes around they take off and go home to see parents and their kids that has been my experience living here.

I arrived in Pattaya yesterday for my yearly pilgrimage to Thailand. I took Eva Air, as they are member of Star Alliance and Philippines Airline is not, but the airfare was more expensive. Business class on PA costs about the same as economy premium on Eva. Took Mr T from the airport to my hotel, at a slightly higher cost than usual. They now charge 1,100 bahts.

I had reserved a room at the LK Empress, on soy 12 & beach road. This was my first time at this hotel, as Agoda gave me a good rate. So far, I am not too impressed with this hotel. I like the location as I rely on FLs from beach road. The room furniture is a bit dated, the towels appear to have been used and reused for many years. A number of other things don't work properly but it did not bother me so far. They do have a nice breakfast however, one of the best.

As usual, I hit the soapy massage on soy honey on my first day. I have always enjoyed a good soapy massage as my first punt of the trip, more so in the past than lately. It is not as much fun these days, but I still enjoy it. After that, I took a nice walk on beach road. A good chunk of it is closed due to ongoing work. Later, I met an expat buddy and we had dinner at the Pattaya beer garden, at the entrance of Walking Street. I called it an early night as I was tired from the trip. But, I was pleasantly surprised at the number of doable FLs I noticed on beach road. I could have easily picked 5 or 6 of them on that short walk. Hence, from my perspective things are looking good.

[QUOTE=David2;2271804]I, like many other members here, really enjoy reading your posts. We have similar tastes, and I find your reviews to be spot on. Please don't let some anonymous negative poster who's having a bad day affect your valuable contributions to this forum.[/QUOTE]Hey BB.

Do not let it get you down. I also enjoy reading your posts and will keep posting myself. BTW, I will be in Pattaya early March so if you are in town let me know. Love to hit the bars with you again. Soi 6 is fun regardless of the quality. Hell, it beats being at work looking at reports and a computer screen!

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2271813]For what it's worth, I didn't find anybody on Soi 6 either LOL. But, I'm not as much into Asian women as many others here are, so that could have had something to do with it. Like I have said, I actually went 72 hours straight in Pattaya, ground zero for mongering in Thailand, without seeing anybody I wanted to fuck before I saw a bar girl I liked. Nothing wrong with my eyes. It's just a matter of taste![/QUOTE]This is the truth that a lot of people in Pattaya regularly don't want to admit. The vast majority of women hooking in Pattaya now have baby damage, are overweight / unfit, have lots of ugly tattoos, or have unattractive looks and personalities overall. Even in the overpriced go go bars that want $200 for sex.

It definitely isn't what it used to be at all. It was easy to ignore the butter faces years ago when they all had nice fit thin farm girl bodies. It's harder to get around an unattractive face when it's attached to a stretch marked soggy body with saggy tits.

I wish it was different. But it's not.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2271883]Spent a night bouncing around the agogos of WS. ... In the past I loved Sensations but the lineup was really weak now. Palace had a couple decent ones but nothing worth the 2000 baht models barfine. .[/QUOTE]You're right. I always enjoyed WS Gogo's but now the BF prices are outrageous. I love IRON BAR. The best tits on the girls. My old friend a waitress is now a mamasan and she said for the main stage models I think it's 2000ST plus 3000 for the girl. Totally crazy. I went to iBar as it was late and chatted up a few girls and made eye contact with a few others. Finally saw this Ferrari of a girl with her her fat, Toyota GFs. So I paid attn to the Ferrari who was a totally sexy dancer. They were all a bit mao. But I bought a few shots and hung out and then asked the sexy dancer to come back with me. She was crazy in bed. I could do whatever I wanted. She spent the night and I kicked her out right before breakfast closed and gave her 2000. Great night after all.

I believe The Cane's comments are based on his sole visit to Pattaya from years ago. I believe he struck out bad in Pattaya. I know a couple of other guys who have struck out bad in Pattaya too because of either their age, looks, or lack of connection with a 20 ish year old girl.

We don't disagree with your comment Rick. Ugly girls work in every country. Indonesia, Phillippines, Cambodia, Singapore, USA, Australia, UK, Germany, Spain, Brazil, Cuba, etc. Personally I wouldn't touch 95% or more of the girls in Pattaya or Bangkok. That number is 99% in Phnom Penh. For my taste I have seen photos of girls from The Good Old Days and I would have bolted from Thailand if those were the best of the best faces.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2274089]I believe The Cane's comments are based on his sole visit to Pattaya from years ago. I believe he struck out bad in Pattaya. I know a couple of other guys who have struck out bad in Pattaya too because of either their age, looks, or lack of connection with a 20 ish year old girl...... I wouldn't touch 95% or more of the girls in Pattaya or Bangkok. That number is 99% in Phnom Penh. For my taste I have seen photos of girls from The Good Old Days and I would have bolted from Thailand if those were the best of the best faces.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. I've been going for 14 years now. About 35 trips in total. In the old days prices were cheaper, girls were sweeter and would spend more time with you. I had them making me coffee in the am, etc. Now they're about a ST quick turn so they can go back to the club for another guy. Many even 3 in a night. They rarely have an excited attitude, spend too much time on those damn cell phones, and of course have a book of canned lies on why they can't stay for LT, etc. Oh well, still a ton of fun. Soi 6 is still the best deal!! Philippines comes in 2nd for me in SEA. If you can shake them off. They all want to stay a few days with you. Cuba is #1 on the East Coast / Caribbean side. Total GF experience, the best BJs, and starting at only $20. All young, pretty Latinas with hot bods. You just have to watch your valuables as most are a bunch of street rats.

This week I'm heading down under to Aussie and NZ and then to Polynesia. Fiji & TONGA. I don't expect too much if anything put will scout it out and post if anything good. After that I'm heading straight to BKK, UDON, and PATTs to celebrate my birthday the 1st week in Feb. Hit me up if anyone's around.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2274089]I believe The Cane's comments are based on his sole visit to Pattaya from years ago. I believe he struck out bad in Pattaya. I know a couple of other guys who have struck out bad in Pattaya too because of either their age, looks, or lack of connection with a 20 ish year old girl.

[/QUOTE]I'd love to visit this mythical Pattaya filled with beautiful 20ish year old girls intent on providing fabulous service to anyone except us ugly old farangs who fail miserably to make a connection with them. I would welcome the opportunity to strike out with one, two, hell, maybe even three of them in town. But my observation of the place is pretty close to that of The Cane, Rick Rock and some others here. The problem is finding a girl whose looks and demeanor (yes, even when she is not looking directly at me, not even aware of me, and therefore is not reacting to how repulsive I am) are such that I'd want to step up to bat for her in the first place. And I have had at least three 2-3 day and night trips in Pattaya over the past couple of months.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274077]This is the truth that a lot of people in Pattaya regularly don't want to admit. The vast majority of women hooking in Pattaya now have baby damage, are overweight / unfit, have lots of ugly tattoos, or have unattractive looks and personalities overall. Even in the overpriced go go bars that want $200 for sex.

It definitely isn't what it used to be at all. It was easy to ignore the butter faces years ago when they all had nice fit thin farm girl bodies. It's harder to get around an unattractive face when it's attached to a stretch marked soggy body with saggy tits.

I wish it was different. But it's not.[/QUOTE]Truth be told that goes for BKK as well. The higher the prices go; the worse it seems to get. Agreed, the heads were never that good, but the bodies used to rock. Now, fat abounds.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2274089]...
For my taste I have seen photos of girls from The Good Old Days and I would have bolted from Thailand if those were the best of the best faces.[/QUOTE]Let's not forget taking good pics was hit and miss in those days. You took 2 dozen pics and had them developped back home. One or two came out good, the rest was only for memory's sake.

Today you take hundreds of pics of one girl and keep only the ten best pics. You see the result at once and improve angles and postures as you go. Different photo game alltogether.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2272004]Mr. E, you haven't noticed the lack of talent and girls since New Years? I have a few guys on the ground with the same opinion that there is oddly many girls missing. Many of my girls were back home and are slowly making their way back to Pattaya now.

Lucky Nuts, the gogo bar talent is WAY down from 2 years ago. It's a struggle to find super hot girls even in gogo bars in both Pattaya and Bangkok. Back in the good old days (2-3 years ago) it was so easy.

Walked through Soi 6 again about an hour ago. Yes I know I was early at 2:10 pm but I just finished lunch with a hot gogo girl at Hard Rock Cafe. Almost empty on Soi 6 and no Breadman I did not go get glasses in hopes that girls magically appear if I am wearing them. Here is how empty Soi 6 was looking at 2:10 pm. Didn't look much better after 4:30 pm the other day. Even Ruby Bar had only 10 girls the other day. Pussy Club and Red Point were likely the 2 busiest today, each with about 10 girls.[/QUOTE]I thought it was like this too last year as well. Ibar, Si 6, and Gogos all devoid of girls I thought were cute. Girls do seem to go home this time of year. I was happy to hook up with my little shopgirl right after New Years otherwise I would have been one sad camper.

That's why I chose to go to Jakarta for the Winter break instead this year. Met some very lovely girls so am glad I skipped Patts this year. But there is still no place liek it and I will be back soon.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274077]...The vast majority of women hooking in Pattaya now have baby damage, are overweight / unfit, have lots of ugly tattoos, or have unattractive looks and personalities overall. Even in the overpriced go go bars that want $200 for sex...[/QUOTE]I am not sure which Pattaya you are referring to. I arrived this past Sunday, and had a chance to visit a couple of gogo bars. I did not see any overweight, unfit girls. As to the ugly tattoos, that is your opinion. I am a "don't care" when it comes to tattoos, they don't bother me.

I have moved away from gogo girls a long time ago, due to escalating prices, but I have been pretty satisfied so far with FLs, and there are plenty of them in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=JohnnyVegas;2274095]Totally agree. Cuba is #1 on the East Coast / Caribbean side. Total GF experience, the best BJs, and starting at only $20. All young, pretty Latinas with hot bods.

.[/QUOTE]This is straight up facts. You can't beat the Cuba experience. People got to give it a chance, and go in with an open mind, and not ready to compare Cuba to other Latin American cities, or South America.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2274159]I am not sure which Pattaya you are referring to. I arrived this past Sunday, and had a chance to visit a couple of gogo bars. I did not see any overweight, unfit girls. As to the ugly tattoos, that is your opinion. I am a "don't care" when it comes to tattoos, they don't bother me.

I have moved away from gogo girls a long time ago, due to escalating prices, but I have been pretty satisfied so far with FLs, and there are plenty of them in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Haha. I could ask what Pattaya YOU are referring to!

[QUOTE=ChrisH;2274254]This is straight up facts. You can't beat the Cuba experience. People got to give it a chance, and go in with an open mind, and not ready to compare Cuba to other Latin American cities, or South America.[/QUOTE]One of my favorite porn series from years ago was Panochitas #1, #2, #3, etc. The director took a couple of male porn stars to a never disclosed location in Latin America, hired an offscreen translater and likely pimp or mamasan, a handful of local hookers (definitely not experienced porn actresses) and filmed the action in hotel rooms and sometimes natural beach or brook side settings.

The girls were not top beauties but very doable and, man, their attitudes and especially some of their blowjobs were off the chart dedicated and complete! Check out Panochitas #4, which is still floating around online.

Since the actual destination where they landed and arranged for those little honey first time porn actress hookers was never disclosed, I could only guess it might have been Cuba. Do you, JohnnyVegas or anyone else know about that series well enough to confirm or clarify? I would definitely book a month in a destination stocked with girls providing that level of attitude and service.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2274089]We don't disagree with your comment Rick. Ugly girls work in every country. Indonesia, Phillippines, Cambodia, Singapore, USA, Australia, UK, Germany, Spain, Brazil, Cuba, etc. Personally I wouldn't touch 95% or more of the girls in Pattaya or Bangkok. That number is 99% in Phnom Penh. For my taste I have seen photos of girls from The Good Old Days and I would have bolted from Thailand if those were the best of the best faces.[/QUOTE]Whatever you want to say about faces and subjective beauty standards, the fact is obesity, baby damage and tattoos are rare in Phnom Penh and Cambodia but very common in Thailand and the Philippines. Years ago you'd struggle to find a fatty in either. Now they're normal, and charging ten times the money. The Americas and Europe are already mostly doomed with fatties, but the FKK in Germany are still pretty good about sourcing non-damaged women with fit bodies and firm tits.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2274116]Truth be told that goes for BKK as well. The higher the prices go; the worse it seems to get. Agreed, the heads were never that good, but the bodies used to rock. Now, fat abounds.[/QUOTE]Yep. Sadly there seems to be a generation of guys coming in from the West now that have it so bad back home that they think what they see in Thailand now is amazing. If you're already conditioned to see extremely obese stretched out whales covered in face and "sleeve" tattoos on a regular basis, you will think a flabby 75 kilo Thai girl with a dumpy ass, saggy mom tits, and "only" 7 tattoos is a "thick MILF" who wants "a mere" $200 for a shag. It's incredible from an anthropological standpoint, but sad if you're a hobbyist who lives here full time and has seen the recent developments.

I mostly go to places for locals now. If you rock up to a nice brothel for Thai guys, you won't see many fatties, very few tattoos, and often even no moms at all. Soapy I just stopped at last week up in Isaan the papasan told me he had a "no moms" rule for staffing. It's good business for him. Thai guys don't want used up women. But a lot of Farang seem to chase them down exclusively. I told him he could refer to the rejects to the most popular go go bars on Walking Street or Nana Plaza and make a killing.

The saddest part of it all is that when a farm fresh girl rolls into Pattaya at age 19, it only takes a few weeks because she starts getting ruined by packing on the weights, getting pierced, getting tattooed, braiding in multi-colored weave hair, smoking, doing drugs and becoming an alcoholic. She sees it as the norm, because that's what she is surrounded by there.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274440]

The saddest part of it all is that when a farm fresh girl rolls into Pattaya at age 19, it only takes a few weeks because she starts getting ruined by packing on the weights, getting pierced, getting tattooed, braiding in multi-colored weave hair, smoking, doing drugs and becoming an alcoholic. She sees it as the norm, because that's what she is surrounded by there.[/QUOTE]So true!

I was having a hell of a time finding good girls at Ibar last summer. Most were overweight, old or tatted up. The few that were passable were the usual Ibar primadonnas that I try to avoid (and that are tatted up anyway).

Finally meet one that was hot, GFE and fun to be with. Pretty face, slim, rocking little body with perky little tits and a nice firm ass. New in town and in Patts to visit friends. We have an awesome time at Ibar followed by a night of great sex. 3 really good rounds with lots of DFK and good CIM finish. I paid her the agreed on sum (can't remember if it was 2 k or 3 k) and I even threw in a nice tip of a few hundred baht more to show my appreciation.

She sends me a text later that evening. What did she do with the money I gave her? She spent it on a horrendous multi color tattoo covering her entire abdomen. And she didn't' even have any belly damage. Beautiful girl ruined by the stupid Pattaya tattoo culture.

You can't make this shit up. 555.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274456]Finally meet one that was hot, GFE and fun to be with. Pretty face, slim, rocking little body with perky little tits and a nice firm ass. New in town and in Patts to visit friends. We have an awesome time at Ibar followed by a night of great sex. 3 really good rounds with lots of DFK and good CIM finish. I paid her the agreed on sum (can't remember if it was 2 k or 3 k) and I even threw in a nice tip of a few hundred baht more to show my appreciation.

She sends me a text later that evening. What did she do with the money I gave her? She spent it on a horrendous multi color tattoo covering her entire abdomen. And she didn't' even have any belly damage. Beautiful girl ruined by the stupid Pattaya tattoo culture.

You can't make this shit up. 555.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that she was probably not there just to "meet friends" if she did all these things with you and finished the next day with a huge tattoo.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274438]Whatever you want to say about faces and subjective beauty standards, the fact is obesity, baby damage and tattoos are rare in Phnom Penh and Cambodia but very common in Thailand and the Philippines. Years ago you'd struggle to find a fatty in either. Now they're normal, and charging ten times the money. The Americas and Europe are already mostly doomed with fatties, but the FKK in Germany are still pretty good about sourcing non-damaged women with fit bodies and firm tits.[/QUOTE]Only been doing this since 2012, so many have far more experience. But. There are still plenty of skinny girls in Thailand. Thailand wasn't some magical country with a monopoly on skinny girls which all of a sudden lost it's skinny mojo. That's absurd. A few things are happening. That skinny girl from 5 years ago has baby damage now and may still be an FL. More girls and women are turning to FLing which brings an older and / or overweight bunch. This doesn't mean that the skinny girls are gone; it means there's more bad ones to filter out. Remember seeing a number of fatties many years ago too but it was still easy to find a skinny one because the bar scene was better then. Now that online is more of an option as each year passes, some of them go that route versus sticking to walking street or the bar scene. The issue seems to be bars not being able to recruit well due to other avenues that a girl can make money. Pattaya has always been seasonal anyways with weekends having more potential, and consistency was never as good as Bangkok anyways. Regardless, plenty of skinny girls in Pattaya and without too much effort except to spread out more. It's not like the Philippines where the girls have had jollibellies for as long as anyone could remember.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274456]So true!

I was having a hell of a time finding good girls at Ibar last summer. Most were overweight, old or tatted up. The few that were passable were the usual Ibar primadonnas that I try to avoid (and that are tatted up anyway).

Finally meet one that was hot, GFE and fun to be with. Pretty face, slim, rocking little body with perky little tits and a nice firm ass. New in town and in Patts to visit friends. We have an awesome time at Ibar followed by a night of great sex. 3 really good rounds with lots of DFK and good CIM finish. I paid her the agreed on sum (can't remember if it was 2 k or 3 k) and I even threw in a nice tip of a few hundred baht more to show my appreciation.

She sends me a text later that evening. What did she do with the money I gave her? She spent it on a horrendous multi color tattoo covering her entire abdomen. And she didn't' even have any belly damage. Beautiful girl ruined by the stupid Pattaya tattoo culture.

You can't make this shit up. 555.[/QUOTE]Truly horrible. Makes you regret giving her the money, eh? You'll remember that long after you forget the sex.

Probably she just wanted to compete with the fat tatted up women though. A lot of the new guys from back home love them. On another forum there's a whole thread of guys looking for the exact kind of "overweight, old or tatted up" club women you mention. They travel around the world for them. Scary stuff.

In addition to these horrendous tatts another pet peeve is a lot of Thai girls are too lazy to shave their legs. A couple of girls I really liked and went with for a long time refused to do it even when I asked them to.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274583]In addition to these horrendous tatts another pet peeve is a lot of Thai girls are too lazy to shave their legs. A couple of girls I really liked and went with for a long time refused to do it even when I asked them to.[/QUOTE]We need some Swiss influence. Although Globe is $140 a half-hour including DFK ($80 without) you get exactly what you pay for. They actually weigh the girls and if they put on weight they can be fired. Also any poor in room attitude or lack of service is not tolerated — they will be gone. You get a guaranteed Beautiful girl GFE because they uphold high standards.

Of course it's legal which makes all that easier.

Pattaya 12.29-1. 1.

After several days in bkk, I went to pattaya for 3 night.

Here is much more relaxed. I spent most of my day time wondering around the city corners or lying on the beach. It's good to have my brain stop running for a while.

Anyway, I was coming mainly for the night. I went to soi 6 twice but really did't find too much for me. Overall quality is lower than gogo bars, and I didn't have too much time chatting around due to my limited stay. So I stayed mostly in gogo bars for all the three nights.

Bacarra, happy, what's up, panda and palace are the 5 Agogo bars I visited. Bacarra is for me the best one, regarding the number and quality of girls, but also tons of customers since it's end of the years. All the girls that I was looking were taken by same group of Korean guys for 3 consecutive days and it seemed that girls are quite interested in them as well. The other 4 bars are at the same level for me, I just moved from.

One to another during the night.

So at last, all the 2 girls I took was from what's up. The 1st one was a tall (166, quite tall for tali girls) slim cutie, with one of the best body in this journey. She has a very nice personality. We went to dance and drank and had lots of fun together. Honestly I was not the night club type, but her kiss and touch really comforted me. At about 3 am in the morning, we left the club. She asked me if I would like to go her home. I was bit surprised by her proposal but agreed. I hardly visited WGs's home at first meet, and not really sure it's the right move for both of us.

She had a 2 floor house and 10 cats OMG. The strong smells of the pets annoyed me a bit but in her bedroom was ok. We had one exciting sex while her cats staring at us all the way. It's not among my top experience with WGs but is fork sure one of the most special one. Even when I woke up, I fount there were 2 cats lying BTW us.

The 2nd one I took was at 31 Dec. So it's really difficult to pick the best ones. I got a OK one and had a OK sex for the New Year. The 2 things I was not satisfied were she insisted to BJ with cover and didn't want to go back to my hotel for st and asked me to spend 500 at the hotel next to the bar. She ran back immediately after the sex.

So there was one night I didn't have any girls from bar. I met one girl from One supermarket near my hotel, and managed to get her out. She is one of the most lovely girls I have ever met in my experience across the countries. It was pure luck to meet girls like This one for me. I took BKK a much better place for sex trip than pattaya. But now I'm going to stay most most of next trip in pattaya for this girl alone.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2274089]I believe The Cane's comments are based on his sole visit to Pattaya from years ago. I believe he struck out bad in Pattaya. I know a couple of other guys who have struck out bad in Pattaya too because of either their age, looks, or lack of connection with a 20 ish year old girl.

We don't disagree with your comment Rick. Ugly girls work in every country. Indonesia, Phillippines, Cambodia, Singapore, USA, Australia, UK, Germany, Spain, Brazil, Cuba, etc. Personally I wouldn't touch 95% or more of the girls in Pattaya or Bangkok. That number is 99% in Phnom Penh. For my taste I have seen photos of girls from The Good Old Days and I would have bolted from Thailand if those were the best of the best faces.[/QUOTE]There's gold to be had everywhere in Pattaya if you take off the blindfold that you've created searching for your perfect girl. I walk into a gogo and know that I can easily take 80% of the girls on looks alone but I'm looking for a connection, eye contact, a smile a little bit bigger than she's giving to the other guys in the crowd. She might not be the hottest girl in the bar being passed over and over again but she might be the horniest after not getting fucked in weeks. You've gotten jaded living in sin city, time away back in the real world with cold women will open up your eyes again. Some of my best times were from girls off of beach road, soi 6 and soi 8. The gogo girls that i've taken from Pattaya all pretty much blur together.

I am on my 3rd day in Pattaya and tonight, walking street was rather subdued for a Wednesday evening. I checked a couple of gogo bars, then went back to my drinking fountain, i.e. the FLs. Tonight, I think I met my jewel, a sweet, lovely girl and so much fun in bed. I will probably be seeing more of her this week.

Earlier today, I went to Kinnaree with some expat buddies. The place has not changed much, although the price for the room went up to 350 bahts, as I was told. To be honest, I did not check my bill. The girls there were mostly MILFs, no stunning beauty and I did not see many younger chicks. It is so dark there that it's difficult to tell who is who. I managed to have a session with a decent girl, tall and curvy, just my type. The session cost me 1K bahts.

I did not care much for their food today, hamburger and sausages. I also learned they charge a customer 100 bahts if they leave food on their plate. I assume this is fair in order to dissuade customers from wasting food. However, it was not clear to me what constitutes waste, as sometimes when a particular food does not taste that good, I leave it on the plate. Today, I behaved like a good boy and I was not punished. I will probably go back Saturday, when they have barbecue for lunch.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274583]In addition to these horrendous tatts another pet peeve is a lot of Thai girls are too lazy to shave their legs. A couple of girls I really liked and went with for a long time refused to do it even when I asked them to.[/QUOTE]My Thai GF (NOT in the business and was over 40 before first having intercourse) doesn't shave her legs. She said she did when she was working professionally (medical field), but she is now stuck taking care of her brother's children so she sees no need. She says she will do so if I want her to, but I have told her I won't make her do what she doesn't want to do in her home country. She would still do it if I made a big deal about it, and I did say if she comes to the US I will insist that she does shave. But in Thailand, if she is comfortable not shaving then it is fine with me. Heck, once you start demanding your women do things to make you happy, she may start demanding we do things for them too! But at least her leg hair is relatively thin so most people would not even notice. If it was thick and bushy I think I might be more demanding!

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2274595]

So at last, all the 2 girls I took was from what's up. The 1st one was a tall (166, quite tall for tali girls) slim cutie, with one of the best body in this journey. She has a very nice personality. We went to dance and drank and had lots of fun together. Honestly I was not the night club type, but her kiss and touch really comforted me. At about 3 am in the morning, we left the club. She asked me if I would like to go her home. I was bit surprised by her proposal but agreed. I hardly visited WGs's home at first meet, and not really sure it's the right move for both of us.


The 2nd one I took was at 31 Dec. So it's really difficult to pick the best ones. I got a OK one and had a OK sex for the New Year. The 2 things I was not satisfied were she insisted to BJ with cover and didn't want to go back to my hotel for st and asked me to spend 500 at the hotel next to the bar. She ran back immediately after the sex.

[/QUOTE]Nice report, but is there any reason why you did not disclose the names of the girls?

[QUOTE=Breadman;2274610]There's gold to be had everywhere in Pattaya if you take off the blindfold that you've created searching for your perfect girl. I walk into a gogo and know that I can easily take 80% of the girls on looks alone but I'm looking for a connection, eye contact, a smile a little bit bigger than she's giving to the other guys in the crowd. She might not be the hottest girl in the bar being passed over and over again but she might be the horniest after not getting fucked in weeks. You've gotten jaded living in sin city, time away back in the real world with cold women will open up your eyes again. Some of my best times were from girls off of beach road, soi 6 and soi 8. The gogo girls that i've taken from Pattaya all pretty much blur together.[/QUOTE]I agree wholeheartedly.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2274660]My Thai GF (NOT in the business and was over 40 before first having intercourse) doesn't shave her legs. She said she did when she was working professionally (medical field), but she is now stuck taking care of her brother's children so she sees no need. She says she will do so if I want her to, but I have told her I won't make her do what she doesn't want to do in her home country. She would still do it if I made a big deal about it, and I did say if she comes to the US I will insist that she does shave. But in Thailand, if she is comfortable not shaving then it is fine with me. Heck, once you start demanding your women do things to make you happy, she may start demanding we do things for them too! But at least her leg hair is relatively thin so most people would not even notice. If it was thick and bushy I think I might be more demanding![/QUOTE]My wife is Indonesian and doesn't need to shave her legs or underarms. I have spent time in relationships with 3 Indonesian girls and all the same, hairless one even on the pussy. I thought all asians were the same!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2274335]One of my favorite porn series from years ago was Panochitas #1, #2, #3, etc. The director took a couple of male porn stars to a never disclosed location in Latin America, hired an offscreen translater and likely pimp or mamasan, a handful of local hookers (definitely not experienced porn actresses) and filmed the action in hotel rooms and sometimes natural beach or brook side settings.

The girls were not top beauties but very doable and, man, their attitudes and especially some of their blowjobs were off the chart dedicated and complete! Check out Panochitas #4, which is still floating around online.

Since the actual destination where they landed and arranged for those little honey first time porn actress hookers was never disclosed, I could only guess it might have been Cuba. Do you, JohnnyVegas or anyone else know about that series well enough to confirm or clarify? I would definitely book a month in a destination stocked with girls providing that level of attitude and service.[/QUOTE]BAD guess, IMO. I've been to Cuba and around Latin America a bit. The scenery doesn't strike me as Cuban, the accents of the girls when they say anything do not sound Cuban, there is nothing remotely Cuban about it (just browsed through Panochitas 4) (one girl in the vid does claim to tbe Cuban, entirely possible but not filmed in Cuba.

my guess is Costa Rica btw

Oh, and you don't want to consider how badly busted this enterprise would be if they were encountered by the Cuban cops or the local Comittee of the Defense of the Revolution LOL.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274583]In addition to these horrendous tatts another pet peeve is a lot of Thai girls are too lazy to shave their legs. A couple of girls I really liked and went with for a long time refused to do it even when I asked them to.[/QUOTE]You don't like this?? It will keep you warm on those cold winter nights. 😂.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2274661]Nice report, but is there any reason why you did not disclose the names of the girls?[/QUOTE]The first one named "Meow", but taking the fact that she has 10 cats, I'm not Sure if it's a joke or not. She is easy to recognize, taller and slimmer than most other girls, had some surgery on face, with a very cute girly voice. My friend took another popular girl in what's up as well, great service and attitude. I was back for her the following night but already going for LT. Her number is 55.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2274588]We need some Swiss influence. Although Globe is $140 a half-hour including DFK ($80 without) you get exactly what you pay for. They actually weigh the girls and if they put on weight they can be fired. Also any poor in room attitude or lack of service is not tolerated they will be gone. You get a guaranteed Beautiful girl GFE because they uphold high standards.[/QUOTE]There are places more or less this in Thailand too, but they're not in Pattaya and you never see white guys inside. I was just in an Isaan soapy chatting with the papasan. He told me he won't hire any fat girls, or any that have kids. His customers won't stand for it. Difference between the ladies in there and at a standard overpriced Pattaya go go bar were night and day.

If you don't want to find these places, the obvious sollution is just to go to Germany / Switzerland.

[QUOTE]Of course it's legal which makes all that easier.[/QUOTE]In Thailand, it's often easier to do something "illegal" and use a work around than to try to follow the law as written. Believe it or not, it's true.

[QUOTE=Catire;2274726]

my guess is Costa Rica btw

Oh, and you don't want to consider how badly busted this enterprise would be if they were encountered by the Cuban cops or the local Comittee of the Defense of the Revolution LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, and that is why I considered it might be somewhere in Cuba since they are very careful, even to the point of mentioning it in passing on some of the videos, that they will not disclose the location. There are girls from all around that region of the world. And many of the videos take place in ordinary hotel rooms or in private homes.

I don't know. Most of the girls in that series look WAY better than any photos or videos of Costa Rica hookers I have seen.

What I love is, since they are clearly hookers from some local pimp, brothel or bar and not savvy about filmmed porn, some of the girls look perplexed as to why in the world this dude is pulling his dick OUT at the moment of climax to jerk himself off outside her mouth (for the sake of a "money shot" on video) instead of letting her drain him dry as deep into her mouth as every other "customer" has expected of her up to now. lol. I have found NO girls in all of Thailand as good at her job as Maria in Panochitas #8, btw.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2274692]My wife is Indonesian and doesn't need to shave her legs or underarms. I have spent time in relationships with 3 Indonesian girls and all the same, hairless one even on the pussy. I thought all asians were the same![/QUOTE]No some can be pretty damned hairy. I don' mind a little hair. But I've even rejected a few because of this, though they had all other things going for them. Maybe I am just being too damned picky?

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274845]No some can be pretty damned hairy. I don' mind a little hair. But I've even rejected a few because of this, though they had all other things going for them. Maybe I am just being too damned picky?[/QUOTE]Maybe the hormone treatment was started too late555.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2274845]No some can be pretty damned hairy. I don' mind a little hair. But I've even rejected a few because of this, though they had all other things going for them. Maybe I am just being too damned picky?[/QUOTE]You must be. Glad I am flexibIe. Got to have that Hairy Potter every now and then.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2274863]Maybe the hormone treatment was started too late555.[/QUOTE]555. Good one!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2274865]You must be. Glad I am flexibIe. Got to have that Hairy Potter every now and then.[/QUOTE]Don't ind the hairy Bush. I am talking about when the leg hair is so bad it pokes out of the girl's stockings. Ewwww.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2274822]Yes, and that is why I considered it might be somewhere in Cuba since they are very careful, even to the point of mentioning it in passing on some of the videos, that they will not disclose the location. There are girls from all around that region of the world. And many of the videos take place in ordinary hotel rooms or in private homes.

I don't know. Most of the girls in that series look WAY better than any photos or videos of Costa Rica hookers I have seen.

What I love is, since they are clearly hookers from some local pimp, brothel or bar and not savvy about filmmed porn, some of the girls look perplexed as to why in the world this dude is pulling his dick OUT at the moment of climax to jerk himself off outside her mouth (for the sake of a "money shot" on video) instead of letting her drain him dry as deep into her mouth as every other "customer" has expected of her up to now. lol. I have found NO girls in all of Thailand as good at her job as Maria in Panochitas #8, btw.[/QUOTE]The very fact that they seem to have an international crew is another piece of evidence that it's not in Cuba, but in a different location.

You could not put together an international cast in Cuba.

My guess remains a place like CR or Colombia. And of course they will NOT give out any information which would alert busybodies, any unwanted attention in media and LE.

[QUOTE=Faceless78;2274788]The first one named "Meow", but taking the fact that she has 10 cats, I'm not Sure if it's a joke or not. She is easy to recognize, taller and slimmer than most other girls, had some surgery on face, with a very cute girly voice. My friend took another popular girl in what's up as well, great service and attitude. I was back for her the following night but already going for LT. Her number is 55.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Now you have a pretty good report!

As an aside, I happen to love cats. My favorite pet animal. When I mention I love cats to some of the ladies, even if they haven't seemed all that interested in me, hearing that I love cats they often get excited and tell me they have a cat, then we exchange photos and Line contacts, and it is like I have made a new friend. You have to be sincere to pull it off though. So, next time I may have to try to meet Meow and, if as pretty as you say, work some kitty charm.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2275224]Thanks! Now you have a pretty good report!

As an aside, I happen to love cats. My favorite pet animal. When I mention I love cats to some of the ladies, even if they haven't seemed all that interested in me, hearing that I love cats they often get excited and tell me they have a cat, then we exchange photos and Line contacts, and it is like I have made a new friend. You have to be sincere to pull it off though. So, next time I may have to try to meet Meow and, if as pretty as you say, work some kitty charm.[/QUOTE]Using pussies to get pussy Hawk 555.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2275226]Using pussies to get pussy Hawk 555.[/QUOTE]Haha. But hey, I am old and have to draw upon all my skills.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274440]
I mostly go to places for locals now. If you rock up to a nice brothel for Thai guys, you won't see many fatties, very few tattoos, and often even no moms at all. Soapy I just stopped at last week up in Isaan the papasan told me he had a "no moms" rule for staffing. It's good business for him. Thai guys don't want used up women.[/QUOTE]Where are these places? How do they work and what is the price? I think we all would appreciate some detailed advice from an insider.

One of my massage chicks yesterday commented to me that there is no high season in Pattaya anymore. Kind of an exaggeration I think but she seems to be lamenting the lack of business. Certainly at the guesthouse that I am staying in it used to be full in Dec-Jan, but nowadays is only half full.

Hi guys,

Planning a short stay in Jomtien (work related) and wonder if anyone have some good advice regarding this place? Both regarding food, girls and places to hang out. I did a search RTFF, but have to say that not much turned up.

Chico.

[QUOTE=ChicoBarca;2275756]Hi guys,

Planning a short stay in Jomtien (work related) and wonder if anyone have some good advice regarding this place? Both regarding food, girls and places to hang out. I did a search RTFF, but have to say that not much turned up.

Chico.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few beer bars around Rompho Market in Jomtien, also there is one small go-go bar near the corner of Jomtien Beach Rd. And Thappraya Rd. You will also find several beer bars and the Kit-Kat gentlemen club in this area for afternoon action. But Walking Street is also only 10 minutes away by taxi or baht bus. Jomtien has a more relaxed vibe with better beaches, than Pattaya. You will also find some very good restaurants in the area, like Bruno's, Nathan's or seafood places at the beginning of Jomtien Beach Rd. Check Tripadvisor.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2275853]There are quite a few beer bars around Rompho Market in Jomtien, also there is one small go-go bar near the corner of Jomtien Beach Rd. And Thappraya Rd. You will also find several beer bars and the Kit-Kat gentlemen club in this area for afternoon action. But Walking Street is also only 10 minutes away by taxi or baht bus. Jomtien has a more relaxed vibe with better beaches, than Pattaya. You will also find some very good restaurants in the area, like Bruno's, Nathan's or seafood places at the beginning of Jomtien Beach Rd. Check Tripadvisor.[/QUOTE]Hi Danubius,

Thanks a lot for your advises, I will certainly look into them.

Chico.

[QUOTE=Danubius;2275853]There are quite a few beer bars around Rompho Market in Jomtien, also there is one small go-go bar near the corner of Jomtien Beach Rd. And Thappraya Rd. You will also find several beer bars and the Kit-Kat gentlemen club in this area for afternoon action. But Walking Street is also only 10 minutes away by taxi or baht bus. Jomtien has a more relaxed vibe with better beaches, than Pattaya. You will also find some very good restaurants in the area, like Bruno's, Nathan's or seafood places at the beginning of Jomtien Beach Rd. Check Tripadvisor.[/QUOTE]I can mention that the area around Rompho market is not what it used to anymore. A guy told me why and I don't remember exactly but something is planned for the Rompho marker area, like some kind of construction. So some bars has already closed because their contracts ended and it is very noticable in the area. It feels like it is dying and like half of the bars are closed now. Still worth to check out of course but I personally find more of interest in Soi 7 and the bars in Soi Whitehouse.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2275905]I can mention that the area around Rompho market is not what it used to anymore. A guy told me why and I don't remember exactly but something is planned for the Rompho marker area, like some kind of construction[/QUOTE]I also heard some rumors about Rompho market, someone said there will be a new shopping mall, someone said a new hospital. What will be the truth?

I'll be visiting Pattaya next week, hoping to meet a few girls. Any advice on where to stay for (hoping for the lower end $30-40/ night if possible)?

I went back a few pages on this forum and from what I could tell, being close to Soi 6 is a good bet.

A couple of questions:

- Are most hotels girl friendly in the area?

- When booking the room, do I select Single or for two adults? (Hoping to have LT a night or two).

Appreciate any help!

[QUOTE=Fegg123;2276091]I'll be visiting Pattaya next week, hoping to meet a few girls. Any advice on where to stay for (hoping for the lower end $30-40/ night if possible)?

I went back a few pages on this forum and from what I could tell, being close to Soi 6 is a good bet.

A couple of questions:

- Are most hotels girl friendly in the area?

- When booking the room, do I select Single or for two adults? (Hoping to have LT a night or two).

Appreciate any help![/QUOTE]Most of the hotels are girl friendly but there are exceptions. Best to check Google. There are numerous sites listing the status of the hotels. I stayed in Pattaya Blue Sky, Best Beach Villa in Soi5 in the past and both of them are guest friendly.

And yes, book the room for double occupancy just to be sure.

[QUOTE=Fegg123;2276091]I'll be visiting Pattaya next week, hoping to meet a few girls. Any advice on where to stay for (hoping for the lower end $30-40/ night if possible)?

I went back a few pages on this forum and from what I could tell, being close to Soi 6 is a good bet.

A couple of questions:

- Are most hotels girl friendly in the area?

- When booking the room, do I select Single or for two adults? (Hoping to have LT a night or two).

Appreciate any help![/QUOTE]You can google 'pattaya girl friendly hotels' and get several websites but almost all of the hotels will let you bring in one girl, only a handful let you bring in more than one at a time. The baht buses run in a big oval going towards walking street on Beach road and towards soi 6 on second road so a hotel in that area works great. Being a new visitor to the city it might be good to get a hotel that's easy to find, some of those side soi's are very narrow and you can easily pass them up. I loved the green view hotel, suggest you consider it. Walk out and turn left and your feet from walking street, turn right and its easy to jump on a baht bus heading towards soi 6. Super easy to find and all motobike taxi's know where walking street is if you ask them to take you there. Hard part will be having a taxi know how to get you to that hotel. If you need a pool then the baywalk residence on beach road is another good location.

[QUOTE=Fegg123;2276091]I'll be visiting Pattaya next week, hoping to meet a few girls. Any advice on where to stay for (hoping for the lower end $30-40/ night if possible)?

I went back a few pages on this forum and from what I could tell, being close to Soi 6 is a good bet.

A couple of questions:

- Are most hotels girl friendly in the area?

- When booking the room, do I select Single or for two adults? (Hoping to have LT a night or two).

Appreciate any help![/QUOTE]If you searched THIS thread, I would say that is the wrong one to search. There is a dedicated Pattaya Hotels thread here, which is where you should look. There are almost 5000 posts in that thread, so all the info you need is over there, and you can ask for hotel recommendations over there too.

Are most hotels girls friendly? Yes. Should you book for two adults? I have often not done that and never ran into any problems. Logically, I think you really need to book for two adults if you expect to have breakfast with your lady friend. Otherwise, no need. Safest practise is to book for two though.

As for which hotels to book, I think location is the key. And that depends on what you are interested in. If you will be a soi 6 kind of guy, you want something nearby. Likewise with Walking Street or soi Buakhao, etc. And of course, what is your budget?

So I would recommend including this info in a post in the Pattaya Hotels thread and see what pops up.

[QUOTE=Fegg123;2276091]I'll be visiting Pattaya next week, hoping to meet a few girls. Any advice on where to stay for (hoping for the lower end $30-40/ night if possible)?.[/QUOTE]I have never stayed by Soi 6, so I cannot recommend any hotels near there. However, you do not need to stay near Soi 6 because the Baht bus (10 baht each way) is so cheap. You can rent an Airbnb at The Base Condo for about $40 USD. There are a number of hotels near The Base Condos on 2nd road and Soi Honey that will probably fit your budget.

[QUOTE=Franga;2275656]One of my massage chicks yesterday commented to me that there is no high season in Pattaya anymore. Kind of an exaggeration I think but she seems to be lamenting the lack of business. Certainly at the guesthouse that I am staying in it used to be full in Dec-Jan, but nowadays is only half full.[/QUOTE]Well tell her maybe if they raise the prices once again they'll get more customers. 555.

Folks, by sheer luck (I booked tickets to patttaya between Feb 22&25. Just today read some news about elections scheduled for Feb 24th. So is my stay going to be pretty much ruined? Hopefully not but I know nothing about local politics so wondering if I should cancel or just go ahead. Please advise. Thanks!

I'm trying to get some full on action, problem is I don't want to pay for a hotel room since I'm only going to be there like 12 or so hours. Do they have any love hotels like in Japan? Or brothels that just offer the full thing upstairs?

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2276459]Folks, by sheer luck (I booked tickets to patttaya between Feb 22&25. Just today read some news about elections scheduled for Feb 24th. So is my stay going to be pretty much ruined? Hopefully not but I know nothing about local politics so wondering if I should cancel or just go ahead. Please advise. Thanks![/QUOTE]Elections have been postponed.

Bangkokpost: "It was earlier expected that voters would go to the polls on Feb 24 but that is no longer possible. The EC has been considering other dates in March, while Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam has said he believes March 24 would be a good choice. ".

Soi 6 has rooms upstairs. I think the gentleman's clubs also have rooms on site, but not sure on that. Massage places are on site with no need to go back to a hotel.

[QUOTE=MoBamba;2276530]I'm trying to get some full on action, problem is I don't want to pay for a hotel room since I'm only going to be there like 12 or so hours. Do they have any love hotels like in Japan? Or brothels that just offer the full thing upstairs?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Delgado;2276597]Elections have been postponed.

Bangkokpost: "It was earlier expected that voters would go to the polls on Feb 24 but that is no longer possible. The EC has been considering other dates in March, while Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam has said he believes March 24 would be a good choice. ".[/QUOTE]That's awesome. My buddies would have been pissed since I did all the planning. Thanks for the reply.

[QUOTE=MoBamba;2276530]I'm trying to get some full on action, problem is I don't want to pay for a hotel room since I'm only going to be there like 12 or so hours. Do they have any love hotels like in Japan? Or brothels that just offer the full thing upstairs?[/QUOTE]More than half of the places have their own rooms. If they don't there's always several short time hotels nearby. There are also a couple of love hotels. A major one is Love Inn on Soi Bongkot just down from the famous row of gentlemen's clubs there. Google maps is your friend.

[QUOTE=MoBamba;2276530]I'm trying to get some full on action, problem is I don't want to pay for a hotel room since I'm only going to be there like 12 or so hours. Do they have any love hotels like in Japan? Or brothels that just offer the full thing upstairs?[/QUOTE]On a short visit like that I think a soapy offers the least stress and the best chance of having a decent experience. A place like Honey 2 on 2nd Road is easy to get to. It had a large variety of ladies in the fishbowl last time I went. If you want something a little crazier take 2 upstairs.

[QUOTE=MoBamba;2276530]I'm trying to get some full on action, problem is I don't want to pay for a hotel room since I'm only going to be there like 12 or so hours. Do they have any love hotels like in Japan? Or brothels that just offer the full thing upstairs?[/QUOTE]Problem is that you did not say which 12 hours you would be there. It makes all the difference in the world when it comes to recommending something to you. And if you had read a little further down you would have seen that you can get hotels for as low as 400 baht per day, which would be even cheaper than a love motel.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2276796]Soi 6 has rooms upstairs. I think the gentleman's clubs also have rooms on site, but not sure on that. Massage places are on site with no need to go back to a hotel.[/QUOTE]Passion and Kinnaree gentleman's club has rooms the others generally have at rooms in close vicinity.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2274440]The saddest part of it all is that when a farm fresh girl rolls into Pattaya at age 19, it only takes a few weeks because she starts getting ruined by packing on the weights, getting pierced, getting tattooed, braiding in multi-colored weave hair, smoking, doing drugs and becoming an alcoholic. She sees it as the norm, because that's what she is surrounded by there.[/QUOTE]I think you just described my former Chiang Mai fuck buddy perfectly. Lots of bad tattoos, braided fake hair, pierced nose, fake eye lashes, smokes a pack a day, but fucks like a porn star. I don't think she picked up those bad habits and poor decisions in Chiang Mai. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if she used to sell her pussy down in Pattaya.

They paved soi chaiyapoon aka soi bumpy. Felt weird walking through soi 25.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2279796]They paved soi chaiyapoon aka soi bumpy. Felt weird walking through soi 25.[/QUOTE]Experts on PA say the potholes will be back in 3 months.

[QUOTE=Bopski;2277371]Passion and Kinnaree gentleman's club has rooms the others generally have at rooms in close vicinity.[/QUOTE]The "Gentlemens Clubs" on Bong Koch 8 may have rooms or sofa's with curtains to go around.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2279796]They paved soi chaiyapoon aka soi bumpy. Felt weird walking through soi 25.[/QUOTE]Yup. Passed through this past evening and did a double take. Jesus, what fucking took them so long!?

[QUOTE=Downandup;2280014]Experts on PA say the potholes will be back in 3 months.[/QUOTE]Once the rainy season passes through, those potholes will be back.

Reached Pattaya on early hours of Sunday. This is my third trip to Pattaya.

This time, decided to stay right in the middle of walking street. P. 72 Hotel, their deluxe studio rooms are good, did not feel any noise so far in last 2 nights.

Day-1: was catching up with rest and re-establishing Line connections with the girls that I knew from last trip. Hit Soi6 in the evening and had an opening session for this trip (forgot the club name but girl was a looker, spinner, aged 23, Nit was the name. She gave her number and I will see if I can go back. While returning to hotel, saw a cutie, getting down from the motorbike and walking towards a food stall. Approached her and asked if she is available. Yes was the answer and she quoted the normal ST rate. Took her to the hotel, had good time for next hour with her. Around midnight, browsed through Indian clubs, Insomnia Indian clubs. They are fully packed. Maybe because, this is the "season" and I could feel it with the heavy crowd around, compared to my trip from last October.

Day-2: Not much to do during day time, I am not much into site seeing and nothing new around the beach either. In the evening around 8 pm, went to SugarBaby agogo, was stopped by the doorman. Asked to pay 200 for the first drink (because I am an Indian). Well, I was their daily customer in last two trips, spent a lot of money, some of their girls really like me. I decided to explain him in a calm manner that I have been here before. Not much positive response. While this conversation is happening, the girl that I bar-fined multiple times in the past, found me while entering the club and she tried to reason with the doorman. This did not work either. I was about to move on but mentioned to him that I will talk to Al, their manager. He immediately allowed me in.

Al was there in the club and gave a warm handshake. He explained that they had very bad experiences in the last few months with Indian groups walking-in and not buying any drinks and yet grabbing the girls as they pleased. That's why he was forced to make this rule. I have to admit that I am more than pissed with some of my fellow country men, because of whom, I am profiled as one of them!! Anyway, I am a thick-skinned person and on a holiday to enjoy. I won't allow this to bother me. Had few drinks, bought multiple lady-drinks and bar-fined the same girl for ST. We had a nice time together and this time, she wanted to drink in the room with me. Had Whiskey purchased from the duty-free and we enjoyed it together.

In retrospect and from all I have been reading in this forum, gogo bars are absolutely not worth the money and this type of treatment doesn't give any incentives for me to visit them either. I will try to stay away from gogo bars as much I can and explore other options.

Day-3: Not much action. Feeling mentally tired. Got a foot massage and another girl offered oil massage and I accepted for another hour. During the massage, she pop'ed the question that I did not expect. Do you need a special massage? This shop looked very legitimate to me. Anyway, she is cute and I agreed to proceed further which was a good decision. She is ready to meet me after work but I told her that I am tired, will try her tomorrow.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2280386]Reached Pattaya on early hours of Sunday. This is my third trip to Pattaya.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to post the trip report. Your experience with Sugarbaby seems about right. I am brown-skinned too (not Indian), and I have to contend with the skunk eye from the goons at the doors too. But it's part of the business, and I never take it personally. Looks like you were the same.

[QUOTE=Kumbu;2280478]Thanks for taking the time to post the trip report. Your experience with Sugarbaby seems about right. I am brown-skinned too (not Indian), and I have to contend with the skunk eye from the goons at the doors too. But it's part of the business, and I never take it personally. Looks like you were the same.[/QUOTE]Yeah, nothing personal. These goons can't tell who can spend the money and who can't. So, we get to taste the aftermath of the bitter-taste left by others looking similar to us. I wish they learn how to profile customers in a better manner other than color, but hey, that ain't happening anytime soon unless my country fellows learn the etiquette over night.

Once the bar folks / girls realize that a customer is spending and enjoying in the usual manner, treatment is just about same as others. So, I can't really blame them either. Its just the situation and I have learned to deal with it.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2280386]While returning to hotel, saw a cutie, getting down from the motorbike and walking towards a food stall. Approached her and asked if she is available. Yes was the answer and she quoted the normal ST rate. Took her to the hotel, had good time for next hour with her.[/QUOTE]See that is how Pattaya works. Didn't need a bar. Didn't need drinks. Very easy!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2280505]See that is how Pattaya works. Didn't need a bar. Didn't need drinks. Very easy![/QUOTE]Food cart guy is her husband, pulls out a machete and chops off your head. LOL.

Spotted this MILF on Beach Road at 10 am. Looked like she had an okay ass. Asked 500 for ST. I thought to hell, for that price, just for the sake of trying her out.

A disaster. Botched up butt job or lipo on her buttocks. Most off-putting.

I shall never again consider a woman pricing herself at less than 1000. This is a 100% fluid market.

[QUOTE=XXL;2280607]Spotted this MILF on Beach Road at 10 am. Looked like she had an okay ass. Asked 500 for ST. I thought to hell, for that price, just for the sake of trying her out.

A disaster. Botched up butt job or lipo on her buttocks. Most off-putting.

I shall never again consider a woman pricing herself at less than 1000. This is a 100% fluid market.[/QUOTE]LOL. I have never paid more than 500 on Beach Road and I have had some gems.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2280386]Reached Pattaya on early hours of Sunday. This is my third trip to Pattaya.

This time, decided to stay right in the middle of walking street. P. 72 Hotel, their deluxe studio rooms are good, did not feel any noise so far in last 2 nights.

[/QUOTE]Good to know. I've booked P72 deluxe studio rooms for next month's trip as well and glad to know noise doesn't filter in. Hopefully no issues with taking a girl or two there.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2280484]
Once the bar folks / girls realize that a customer is spending and enjoying in the usual manner, treatment is just about same as others. So, I can't really blame them either. Its just the situation and I have learned to deal with it.[/QUOTE]Can't agree more. Understand windmill grp Gogos allow Indians. Did you have luck with any others? You do not seem to have PM activated, by the way.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2280672]Good to know. I've booked P72 deluxe studio rooms for next month's trip as well and glad to know noise doesn't filter in. Hopefully no issues with taking a girl or two there.[/QUOTE]I've stayed there in the past. Noise isn't bad at all and no issues with bringing girls up. They just check their ID.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2280672]Good to know. I've booked P72 deluxe studio rooms for next month's trip as well and glad to know noise doesn't filter in. Hopefully no issues with taking a girl or two there.[/QUOTE]Aah P72! It used to be my goto hotel, perfect location, totally girl friendly. Not sure why, but I moved on. My favorite hotel became The Stay on soi 10, but on this last trip I stayed at LK Empress and I liked it. Not sure when and if I will come back.

When I used to stay there, 5+ years ago, there was absolutely no issues with bringing girls. So convenient, right across from Lucifer. You go down, pick up a girl and take her upstairs, just like. Never had a problem with noise, except when they had a band downstairs. It kept me up until midnight. It was a problem for my first few nights upon arriving, and then no issue after that.

If your deluxe studio is across the street, you don't even need to check the girls at the desk. They also have a decent restaurant.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2280674]Can't agree more. Understand windmill grp Gogos allow Indians. Did you have luck with any others? You do not seem to have PM activated, by the way.[/QUOTE]I did try Taboo. Talent is not that great. Tried Palace, Sensations, Panda in my last October trip. I liked the talent at Palace but they are very pushy for drinks, shots (I roughly spent 3 k on drinks in an hour and half). I have couple of days left in this trip, planning to explore more of Soi6, FLs. I am also a fan of Shisha here. Will spend time in Discos for that.

My PM is active.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2280386]Day-3: Not much action. Feeling mentally tired. Got a foot massage and another girl offered oil massage and I accepted for another hour. During the massage, she pop'ed the question that I did not expect. Do you need a special massage? This shop looked very legitimate to me. Anyway, she is cute and I agreed to proceed further which was a good decision. She is ready to meet me after work but I told her that I am tired, will try her tomorrow.[/QUOTE]On Day-4, felt horny due to a day's break and hit Soi6 around 6 pm. Checked Lust for Ja, she was off for the day. Took a walk to scan the talent, one girl from smokes and kisses smiled and wooed me in. Had couple of drinks with her, chatted with her and her real sister (that's what she said). She offered ST with both of them. I am not really into 3-some at 6 pm and she asked me to choose one of them. I picked her sister, for which is totally fine as long as I tip her. Her sister is 25, puffy lips and nice ass to look at. She quoted 1500ST + Room charge. I jokingly asked if this is special price for Indians and she jokingly said yes. All in lighter mood. I kept silent for a few seconds, she dropped to 1500 all inclusive. I took it in. Girls performance is just about fine. I tipped her sister while leaving the bar and she made a happy face.

Got a good Oil massage from a shop in second road, had dinner and messaged the massage girl around 10 pm. She just finished her work hours and came to hotel around 10:30 pm. She had couple of drinks with me and chatted for a while. Had a passionate session after several years. To clarify, I am one among the folks who don't mind star-fish experience as long as girl is easy on the eyes. Simple reason is: I am looking for any sex, not for more sex. She was dripping wet by the time I removed her clothes. She left me couple of hickeys on the neck.

After both of us came, I asked her if she wants to have Shisha and she readily agreed. Took motorbike to Asma coffee shop, she invited two of her friends from massage parlor. I was positively surprised that both of them are sweet people, chatted about their boy friends. Not at all looking to spike the bill, which is usual with a group of girls here. We were there for more than couple of hours till 4 am and I thought my girl will leave with her friends. But no, she came back to hotel with me and wanted to sleep with me. While we are naked under the sheet, she sensed my excitement again and followed through. Her enthusiasm to please was a big turn-on.

One of the best experiences came from the inexpensive one for me. I did not ask her how much for LT in the entire conversation, paid her 3 K in the morning while she is leaving. She was extremely happy. Sad part is, now I know what is a good performance. Need to wait and see if I can still cope-up with star-fish performances.

On a side note, many of the girls that I met here so far, in gogos, clubs, beach road, massage parlours are all single mothers at young age. Something along the lines of first baby at 19 or 20, husband left for another lady after few years, she is now 24 or 25, supporting the family and child. It is very hard for me to understand, especially coming from a culture where family bonding is more important than individual's happiness. Just an observation, nothing more.

This is my first time to Pattaya and will be staying in Thailand for about 30 days spending time in Bangkok, Pattaya and Phuket.

Visa: Travelling under a British Passport, a VISA exemption applies. Just had to fill in an embarkation card which was handed out on the plane (name, DOB, Passport Number, length of stay, address in Thailand etc). Once off the plane, collecting baggage, went through Passport Control and simply handed in card. Process very simple.

Money: Exchanged about 1/3rd of money at the airport. On the arrival floor, exchange rates not good. Typical exchange 37.5 to 38 baht for 1 GBPound Sterling. Do not exchange there. At the lowest floor, there are trains to Bangkok. On this floor there are also many exchange bureaus with typical rates of 40.5 to 40.7 baht for 1 GBPound Sterling with no fees, charges or commissions. So I changed here. Rates typically about 7% to 8% better than on the arrival hall. When I got to Pattaya, I saw similar rates. The best rate I have so far seen is 40.8 baht for 1 GBPound Sterling. So only a little better than at the airport.

Bus to Pattaya. I got the bus which costs 120 baht. But although the bus runs several times an hour, I had to wait 2 hours for the bus with my seat. Can book on line in advance but I did not do this since I did not know whether the flight would be delayed, nor how long it would take to enter through passport control and collect baggage. Next time, I would buy a ticket in advance so that I would not have to wait as long. Still on the plus side, it gave an opportunity to people watch. Many nice stewardesses with lovely figures and nice legs. If I was younger and staying in Bangkok, with the cavalier of youth, I would have tried my luck at chatting some of these up. With age comes wisdom, so I new that there was no point in trying and getting the humiliation of rejection. On the bus I sat next to a very nice Russian lady about 30 but she was travelling with her son, and I think mother. Still she had a nice pair of legs, was wearing a very short dress, and had very nice blue eyes.

Crystal Club AGOGO LK metro. This has some rooms. I paid about Euro 47 for 3 nights, so about 15 euro per night. The room is very clean, has a large bed and is quite large about 30 sqm plus. Get a 10% discount on drinks in the Club. Get to see the girls off stage getting dressed changing etc so that is a bit of a perk. Only had a quick look inside several girls dancing, one or two topless.

Beach road. I got there about 8 pm. Many many girls with quality very variable. However there were some thin good looking girls. I walked up and down several times identifying the hot ones. At about 9 pm, I made my move, but all the girls were only interested in ST, and did not do LT. They all quoted 1000 baht. I wanted long time, so did not go with these. After about 9 pm there was some police activity, and a lot of girls disappeared. I saw this stunning girl very slim, reasonably tall wearing black slit / ripped jeans. She had lovely legs but was on the phone. I waited for her call to finish, but she immediately walked off. I followed and she met up with 2 other girls. I waited a short distance away, One of the other girls smiled at me whilst the 3 were chatting. Then unfortunately, the girl I liked quickly hurried off, and the girl who had smiled at me came over to chat. She was friendly, but a bit chubby but with large tits, and said I really like you, LT 1000 baht sucking fucking massage more sucking fucking etc. Because she was a bit chubby for my liking, I started chatting to the other girl who was shortish and a little over weight but not chubby. She explained that the hot girl with the stunning legs, had left because she had a customer who had phoned her up. Whilst we were chatting the chubby girl found a customer and left. Since it was after 10 pm and I could see very few girls remaining, I decided to go with this girl, whose name is Ann. She wanted 2,000 baht for LT which I thought was rather a lot since her friend had offered 1000 fir LT. I suggested 1700 baht and she said why not 2000 baht, it only 300 baht more. I said that I would probably buy her something to eat and she agreed at 1700 baht.

Ann: we chatted on the bed for about 20 minutes, before she took a shower. Her English was quite good, but with the Thai accent it was still difficult to fully understand. I had a shower after her, and then we started with about 20 minutes of very passionate kissing whilst I fingered her pussy, We then had a long session of DATY which she very much enjoyed before having sex in a couple of positions. She tasted very clean. I got cramp in my calf which I thought was down to a lack of water or salt. I hadn't experienced this before, quite painful but soldiered on. Well you have to, don't you!

After round 1, we went out for a walk, and a meal in a Thai restaurant, where she order several dishes, not too hot. We had quite a bit left over, and she asked the waiter for a doggy bag (so that we could take the left overs back to the room). We then walked around the place and along beach road to walking street for about 1 hour. We gave away the food to an oldish woman on the beach who seemed very pleased. It was still warm. On the way back to the hotel we picked up lots of bottles of Breezer. We watched a bit of TV, listened to music and then went for round 2. This was much the same as round 1 and again I got cramp.

We woke up quite latest about 10 am. I had been tired having had only about 5 hours sleep in the past 48 hours. She was initially reluctant to have sex and wanted to go, but I persuaded her to stay and we had a long session lasting about 1.5 hours of enjoyable sex (well at least for me). This time I did not get cramp so perhaps all I needed was a good night's sleep.

SIM card. We then went out and did some shopping. I bought a Thai SIM card that she recommended, with the provider AIS. We bought this in the family mart for 50 baht and loaded it with 300 baht of credit. She thought that I would get unlimited calls, 1 GB fast internet for 7 days which would cost 100 baht, so with the 300 baht loaded, this would supply 1 gb of data 3 times over for 21 days. However, the offer had expired the day before, and it was extremely difficult to get the internet working. Eventually went into Central Festival Mart where AIS has a shop. There was a long wait of about 50 minutes for customer service but eventually they set up a plan of fast internet for 10 days with 5 gb of data unlimited calls for 175 baht. After the 10 days I would still have about 120 baht of credit so needed to just top up a little for another 10 days of the same deal. I do not know whether this is a good deal, but Ann thought that AIS was the best with reliable service.

We then went shopping in a covered market where I bought some sandals. These were 450 baht but I only paid 300 baht. She says she always gets a discount at the market, but I do not know whether that is because she knows the people or whether she just bargains. Perhaps there is a price for Thais and a price for Ferang. She said that if I wanted to go shopping again she would take me to get the best price.

Summary: To sum up, I was with Ann from about 10 pm to about 2 pm, and spent a nice time with a very friendly and sweet girl, not just the sex. Because her English was quite good, we were able to have a chat, enjoy a meal together, stroll along the beach etc. So whilst I paid more than I wanted to for LT, overall, the experience was good and well worth the money, and I am hoping that she will introduce me to the slim leggy girl with the tight slit / cut jeans who appeared very doable. Beach road girls might not be the prettiest, but on the basis of my first experience, they are not wham bang thank you mam girls, and may well be a lot more friendly than the Gogo girls. I guess it is what you are after. Do you want the youngest stunner, or a good honest girl that you can spend some time with, as well as having some sex on the side. Whilst I am going to check out the talent elsewhere (who knows perhaps where I am staying at Crystal Club), I am certainly going to further explore the delights of Beach Road.

Finally, on the basis of my short experience, it is best to get to beach road before 9 pm if you want the best looking girls. After that, the quality on offer goes down. It may be different on different days.

I am now off to the beach for a swim, and I am hoping that day 2 will be just as enjoyable.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2280700]Aah P72!
When I used to stay there, 5+ years ago, there was absolutely no issues with bringing girls.
If your deluxe studio is across the street, you don't even need to check the girls at the desk. They also have a decent restaurant.[/QUOTE]Thanks much Lefeu for sharing. Always good to hear it firsthand.

I will write a note in the Hotels forum after my stay.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2280745]I did try Taboo. Talent is not that great. Tried Palace, Sensations, Panda in my last October trip. I liked the talent at Palace but they are very pushy for drinks, shots (I roughly spent 3 k on drinks in an hour and half). I have couple of days left in this trip, planning to explore more of Soi6, FLs. I am also a fan of Shisha here. Will spend time in Discos for that.

My PM is active.[/QUOTE]Great, thanks for sharing man. My list of places to visit just got a little better.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2281061]On Day-4, felt horny due to a day's break and hit Soi6 around 6 pm. She quoted 1500ST + Room charge. I jokingly asked if this is special price for Indians and she jokingly said yes. All in lighter mood. I kept silent for a few seconds, she dropped to 1500 all inclusive. [/QUOTE]During my last visit towards the end of 2017 I paid 1000 all inclusive for average lookers and 1,300 all inclusive for the better looking ones. I did not bother to bargain but looks like the good looking ones are asking 1. 5 k now which seems higher than what everyone else here is paying apparently. Who knows what factors in to their pricing.

Excellent report, by the way. Looking forward to reading more.

Nice report Sandman! You seemed to have had an old fashioned GFE with a Thai girl in Pattaya! You got quite a bargain for just 1,700. The girl deserved a nice big tip for all the extras she provided you. Don't expect the same service from the girl you are now lusting after.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2281490]Crystal Club AGOGO LK metro. This has some rooms. I paid about Euro 47 for 3 nights, so about 15 euro per night. The room is very clean, has a large bed and is quite large about 30 sqm plus. Get a 10% discount on drinks in the Club. Get to see the girls off stage getting dressed changing etc so that is a bit of a perk. Only had a quick look inside several girls dancing, one or two topless.[/QUOTE]

Not often that I actually learn something off this board but this seems interesting. Grab girls for some quick fun in your room in between their sets. Too bad some of the Crystal girls I once knew now work at Palace and Skyfall.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2281490]I am now off to the beach for a swim, and I am hoping that day 2 will be just as enjoyable.[/QUOTE]Hoping you survived the most dangerous thing to do in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2281490]
I got cramp in my calf which I thought was down to a lack of water or salt.[/QUOTE]This happens to me too every now and then. However in my case I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of water or salt. Most of the time it happens when I'm switching from missionary to doggy, so when I'm getting up my knees and have to bend my legs.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2281490]
SIM card. We then went out and did some shopping. I bought a Thai SIM card that she recommended, with the provider AIS. We bought this in the family mart for 50 baht and loaded it with 300 baht of credit. She thought that I would get unlimited calls, 1 GB fast internet for 7 days which would cost 100 baht, so with the 300 baht loaded, this would supply 1 gb of data 3 times over for 21 days. However, the offer had expired the day before, and it was extremely difficult to get the internet working. Eventually went into Central Festival Mart where AIS has a shop. There was a long wait of about 50 minutes for customer service but eventually they set up a plan of fast internet for 10 days with 5 gb of data unlimited calls for 175 baht. After the 10 days I would still have about 120 baht of credit so needed to just top up a little for another 10 days of the same deal. I do not know whether this is a good deal, but Ann thought that AIS was the best with reliable service.
[/QUOTE]I thought it was not possible anymore to buy a SIM card in shops like Family Mart and 7-eleven. Did you have to register it with your passport? If not then it was probably illegal which could also explain why it didn't work.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2281908]This happens to me too every now and then. However in my case I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of water or salt. Most of the time it happens when I'm switching from missionary to doggy, so when I'm getting up my knees and have to bend my legs.[/QUOTE]Hi,

If you got problems with cramps in Your legs it is usually a sign that You AR low on magnesium buy some magnesium supplements and give it a try.

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/magnesium-deficiency-symptoms[/URL]

/ Br.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2281908]This happens to me too every now and then. However in my case I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of water or salt. Most of the time it happens when I'm switching from missionary to doggy, so when I'm getting up my knees and have to bend my legs.[/QUOTE]I hate when that happens. Then I always play it off by trying to stretch my leg to get it out while I am still fucking and the chick thinks I'm trying to do a strange new position. I finally have to admit that I have a cramp in my leg.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2281916]I hate when that happens. Then I always play it off by trying to stretch my leg to get it out while I am still fucking and the chick thinks I'm trying to do a strange new position. I finally have to admit that I have a cramp in my leg.[/QUOTE]I don't normally have issues with my legs but I do get stomach cramps towards the end of a multi week trip. I just put it down to the sudden increase in use as I'm a on / off visitor with the associated peaks and troughs rather than a resident with a constant out put.

It's pretty much impossible to hide a stomach cramp midseason.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2281916]I hate when that happens. Then I always play it off by trying to stretch my leg to get it out while I am still fucking and the chick thinks I'm trying to do a strange new position. I finally have to admit that I have a cramp in my leg.[/QUOTE]For my bad luck I also used to have cramps, especially the Right sartorius used to go to cramps. I don't know where is my fault. Still trying to find it.

[QUOTE=CrazyGuyKK;2281939]For my bad luck I also used to have cramps, especially the Right sartorius used to go to cramps. I don't know where is my fault. Still trying to find it.[/QUOTE]Just my 2 cents.

I get cramps when I overuse the muscle then there are times cramps come from underuse, whenever I've gotten leg cramps during sex is due to being a bit out of shape and not been doing my stretching. When a cramps come what do you want to do if it isn't so knotted that you can't move or have to bit down on a towel so you aren't screaming your lungs out, get up and try to move or stretch it.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2281061]On Day-4, felt horny due to a day's break and hit Soi6 around 6 pm. [/QUOTE]Day-5: Found a FL around 7-11 around 8 pm. Standard rate for ST. She is cute, around 24 years old. Had a nice time for an hour. After she left, went out for dinner to a restaurant I visited in my last trip, on second road. Had a nice chit-chat with the restaurant owner and in the conversation, I mentioned that I am a sucker for good massage which is rare to find. He gave a contact for a MP, endorsed by him. Messaged the shop and they sent one girl for 1 hour Oil massage. I liked her skill and pressure was just perfect and thoroughly enjoyed the massage. Too bad that the hour went by so fast. In the process of getting up and clean myself before paying her fee, I heard the unexpected question again, do you want anything more than massage. Not surprised though as this is my second time when I got this question unexpected. I just realized that she is late 20's and in great shape. I asked for Blow Job, she said she provides but doesn't like to do. I don't want her to do something she doesn't like, I took my request back and asked for full service. She accepted. Next 30 minutes was great, she teased me a lot which is unusual. She has broad nipple and melon shaped twins. My favorite combination. I enjoyed them to my heart's content. It was impossible for me to last long with her. I finished quickly.

Day-6 and Day-7, last day: My logical mind is asking for a new girl and my emotional mind is asking for the massage girl from Day-4. Emotional side won, messaged her around 9 pm about her availability. She finished the work around 10 pm and we met at the hotel. Had couple of drinks in the room before leaving for Shisha. After Shisha, went to Kaama club together. We were there till 5 am. I asked her if she can stay with me till next day evening, she readily agreed. Hit the hotel room at 5 am, had a passionate session and slept in each other's arms. I woke up around afternoon, with a boner and had another round. Had lunch together and she helped me in packing my stuff. I had to say good-bye to her with a heavy heart and headed to Airport, to lead my other side of the life in India.

Overall, I had a great vacation. I now fully agree and feel about Pattaya blues. They are very real and I am already feeling them right after reaching home.

Yesterday I hooked up with a Vietnamese girl on Beach Road, nearly opposite Burger King, a little further towards walking street.

She was tall and slim. Body was about 9. Her looks, these were interesting rather than beautiful. Pale white skin, and slightly different eyes.

She wanted 1000 baht ST, and 3000 baht LT. She would not budge from 3,000. I took her ST and she was well worth the 1000 baht. I took her to my hotel on a motorbike taxi, and gave her 100 baht for the return trip.

She said that she had only just arrived in Pattaya and was only staying about a week. For someone wanting something slightly different, she may be available for the next 5 days.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2282226]whenever I've gotten leg cramps during sex is due to being a bit out of shape and not been doing my stretching. [/QUOTE]Muscle cramps are a fairly common side-effect of Sildenafil Citrate based ED drugs (Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra and such). I get them fairly often when using such medications, and rarely otherwise. YMMV, but if you have a problem with leg cramps during sex, this is worth keeping in mind.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2281911]I thought it was not possible anymore to buy a SIM card in shops like Family Mart and 7-eleven. Did you have to register it with your passport? If not then it was probably illegal which could also explain why it didn't work.[/QUOTE]We tried 7/11 but they did not have SIM. Family Mart did. I did not register as such, but they took a photo of my passport on their mobile phone. Whether the shop follows that up with formal registration, I do not know.

[QUOTE=AntonMatsson;2281915]Hi,

If you got problems with cramps in Your legs it is usually a sign that You AR low on magnesium buy some magnesium supplements and give it a try.

[URL]https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/magnesium-deficiency-symptoms[/URL]

/ Br.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I would get a charlie horse in my right ankle after ejaculating on occasional. These posts have made me realize I have not had one in quite a while, possibly because I am taking a vitamin supplement with both Mn and MG?

And how did a muscle spasm become known as a charlie horse?

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2282346] I now fully agree and feel about Pattaya blues. They are very real and I am already feeling them right after reaching home.[/QUOTE]Yes! Yes! My Pattaya Blues! They are fast becoming known!! Haha.

However, being the creator of the term, I need to keep control of the definition. It is normal to feel sad when you are saying goodbye to Pattaya or to a specific lady. Those feelings are not the Pattaya Blues. They are just normal goodbye blues. The Pattaya Blues are when you have depression-like feelings during the middle part of a Pattaya vacation. It might be related to exhaustion; the reduced ability, and the resulting depression, of not being able to ejaculate as you are tried or drained or under stimulated; the realization that you aren't going to have that GFE with the hot agogo girl you were dreaming of; the dread of having to breathe others people's disgusting smoke in the bars; the depression of failing with the girls who are 40 years younger than you; the sick feelings of drinking too much; the malnutrition or getting tired of Thai food or of eating too much fattie fast food or whatever; the relentlessly hot weather or rainy weather than is getting you down; etc. It can be helped by hanging out with the appropriate brothers, by finding a a GFE that shares your desire to hang out, and, in some cases, you will get better when you realize that you need to get out there and get with it as your vacation will be ending in in a few days!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2282422]Muscle cramps are a fairly common side-effect of Sildenafil Citrate based ED drugs (Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra and such). I get them fairly often when using such medications, and rarely otherwise. YMMV, but if you have a problem with leg cramps during sex, this is worth keeping in mind.[/QUOTE]Good to know thanks! Right now even at my age, I haven't a need to use the items mentioned whenever I do have cramps it is usually from overdoing my workout.

I met Mae approximately opposite from Mike' Shopping Mall on the beach side of Beach Road about 4:30 pm.

She is a pretty girl, slim and quite tall. Fairly light skin and I she was around 20 but Thai girls look young. She said she was from Bangkok holidaying in Pattaya. She wanted 1000 baht for ST and asked whether I had condom which to which I said yes. I did not negotiate because I liked the looks of the girl. The warning signs were clear, but one always lets lust get the better of one. We had about a 6 to 8 min walk to the hotel. She started complaining after about 4 minutes. When we got near the hotel, I said I would give her taxi fare for return trip.

Once we were in the room she collapsed on the bed and said that she nearly died. She then insisted on payment before boom boom. I initially objected, but in the end I caved in. And gave her 1100 baht. After showering she turned off all the lights, in the end we left the bathroom light on with the door open but still the room was very dark. This was a pity since she had a nice figure.

Started off by kissing her breasts (she had been wearing a padded bra, but her nipples were nice) and DATY. She smelt and tasted clean, and had a small hairy Bush, which I do not mind at all. During DATY, she stopped me from inserting a finger but I kissed and licked her out for a bit. I then put on a condom, and she immediately complained that I was too big. Length I am a little over average, but girth, is larger than average. Almost all the girls that I have been with have commented that I am thick.

Obviously she was not as wet as if she had let me finger her, but I was careful to enter her very slowly since I have always liked small Chinese and Japanese girls, and these have taught me to be very slow inching in, very gradually a little at a time. Anyway before I had entered fully she completely objected, and I am not one to force myself on a woman so I immediately stopped. She said she would give me BJ / handjob, but with a condom, that is not my idea of fun. Of course, all this moaning meant that the passion of the moment was gone.

Of course, I probably should have accepted her offer as a way to cut my loss, but stubbornness took over. I asked for my money back but of course to no avail.

To conclude, it was an extremely disappointing encounter with a girl who on looks could have been good. Previously, when chatting to girls, if they have said before the hook up, they want money upfront, I have always rejected them. This time, the girl (MAE) did not say this until back in the hotel room. I guess that I should have immediately have asked her to leave. Warning to self, never pay upfront, and chalk this down to experience, I guess that this is one of the risks of Beach Road, there is no Mamasan to fall back on.

Be extremely wary of this girl.

Might pop off to Windmill to have a bit of raunchy fun whilst I brood.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2282776]I met Mae approximately opposite from Mike' Shopping Mall on the beach side of Beach Road about 4:30 pm.

She is a pretty girl...To conclude, it was an extremely disappointing encounter with a girl who on looks could have been good. Previously, when chatting to girls, if they have said before the hook up, they want money upfront, I have always rejected them. This time, the girl (MAE) did not say this until back in the hotel room. I guess that I should have immediately have asked her to leave. Warning to self, never pay upfront, and chalk this down to experience, I guess that this is one of the risks of Beach Road, there is no Mamasan to fall back on.

Be extremely wary of this girl.

[/QUOTE]Good intel, Sandman. Thanks. Note to self: beware the pretty Mae.

[QUOTE=Sandman33;2282776]
To conclude, it was an extremely disappointing encounter with a girl who on looks could have been good. Previously, when chatting to girls, if they have said before the hook up, they want money upfront, I have always rejected them. This time, the girl (MAE) did not say this until back in the hotel room. I guess that I should have immediately have asked her to leave. Warning to self, never pay upfront, and chalk this down to experience, I guess that this is one of the risks of Beach Road, there is no Mamasan to fall back on.[/QUOTE]Lesson learned Sandman. Never pay an SW, FL, or Bar Girl in advance. Period. It's too late now, but if you had held your ground and said something like, "look Mae, I am a gentleman, but I don't pay in advance. If you are unhappy with this arrangement then here is some taxi money so you can go back to Beach Road to find another customer and I will head over Windmill to find another girl. It is no problem for me and I want you to be happy." 555. Chances are good that she would have changed her tune and delivered decent service. This has happened to me on more than one occasion with a recalcitrant FL ie having a good session with the girl after the payment issue was settled my way and I have never had a girl take the taxi money and leave.

It's water under the bridge now, so get yourself over to Windmill right away and have a naughty good time. In a week or so you will forget everything about Mae except the lesson learned to never pay in advance. That lesson will stick with you for the rest of your mongering days.

Rock On!

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2282551]Yes! Yes! My Pattaya Blues! They are fast becoming known!! Haha.

However, being the creator of the term, I need to keep control of the definition. [/QUOTE]Dude, unless you have been on the Thai message Boards since the 90's, you didn't invent that term.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2283027]if you had held your ground and said something like, "look Mae, I am a gentleman, but I don't pay in advance. If you are unhappy with this arrangement then here is some taxi money so you can go back to Beach Road to find another customer and I will head over Windmill to find another girl... I have never had a girl take the taxi money and leave. [/QUOTE]You're a true gentleman Natty.

What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.

Generally, a girl doing a 180 degree turn in attitude is possible but rare, and one or two signs of bad attitude highly correlate with substandard service. I'm not throwing my money at that, not in Pattaya at least. To be honest, I usually look for [I]two[/I] minor signs of bad attitude before calling it off, just in case there's a misunderstanding with the first one.

I don't buy the argument that getting paid upfront automatically means substandard service.

Lots of P4P around the world use this method of payment.

The reason is to avoid the possibility of the customer finding some excuse whether real or otherwise not to pay any or all of the agreed fee.

I get it there are less than honest providers out there but not all of them are, most I believe are just ensuring they get paid.

In Thailand it is the norm at soapies and more and more common at oilies.

With FL'S and other face to face transactions as Natty indicated if you agree what services will be provided and you can reassure the girl that there will be no problem with payment later and she feels confident with this then most likely she will accept payment afterwards.

I wrote a report about this in the Bangkok thread recently. The Thai girl I met at the bar became less and less receptive and warm to me in my apartment, which was in inverse proportion as she had been with me in the bar, something we have all experienced. Sensing a less than satisfying session, I was looking for an excuse to terminate the deal. When she entered my apartment she also whipped out a cigarette despite clear signs in the lobby forbidding smoking in the apartment building. Then she ducked outside to the porch despite my protestations. A clear sign of disrespect.

When she hopped in bed and pulled the sheets up and demanded payment upfront that was my excuse and I unceremoniously asked her to leave. She sheepishly dressed and exited stage right.

Last night, I met a girl (also in Bangkok) who turned out to be Vietnamese. She initially told me she was from Issan, then later, on the walk to my apartment said she had been working in a factory in Thailand and was from some backwater Viet town near the Cambodian border in south Vietnam. Uh oh, I thought. When we arrived at my apartment, she was on her phone incessantly probably getting instructions from a friend. Then she asked me for prepayment and I declined. Her performance was woeful (C-) and I thought if I had known she was Vietnamese I would have never picked her up to begin with. Anyway, I am pretty certain her friend was instructing her to ask for the prepayment.

It was supposed to be a two hour session. After the first session, she jumped out of bed and went to the living room and got on her phone again. No after coitus cuddling with this one. About 20 minutes later, she nods to me and goes back in the bedroom and opens her legs for round 2. So much for foreplay. Needless to say no kissing either. I went through the motions for a while then finally terminated the session myself. But if I had paid her upfront, I am sure it would have been much worse.
Caveat emptor, my friends.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283055]You're a true gentleman Natty.

What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.

Generally, a girl doing a 180 degree turn in attitude is possible but rare, and one or two signs of bad attitude highly correlate with substandard service. I'm not throwing my money at that, not in Pattaya at least. To be honest, I usually look for [I]two[/I] minor signs of bad attitude before calling it off, just in case there's a misunderstanding with the first one.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone ever had a LT freelancer ask for money up front? I most certainly have not. The STers will do it when they plan to make the ST even shorter. You should have asked her if they paid her at the factory before she did the work. Same with buying drinks. I tell them they have to work up a thirst before I buy them a drink.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2283106]Has anyone ever had a LT freelancer ask for money up front? I most certainly have not. The STers will do it when they plan to make the ST even shorter. You should have asked her if they paid her at the factory before she did the work. Same with buying drinks. I tell them they have to work up a thirst before I buy them a drink.[/QUOTE]That's the other thing. When we were discussing terms in the bar she told that she wanted to celebrate Chinese New Year with me so I thought she meant long time. With that in mind, I told her that I would pay her 3 k for LT. However, in the apartment, she tried to explain that she could not stay long time. Apparently, CNY starts at midnight (in her mind) and that was good enough for her. I reduced the time and fee accordingly. Bollocks! She only wanted a coke at the bar so thought that was a good sign but probably just wanted to stay sober for another victim.

Good point about the upfront payment for factory work. I was actually on the razor edge of kicking her to curb like the last one.

Tomasb,

I am curious as to why you would not have taken this girl if you knew she was Vietnamese? I admit I have never had a Viet girl outside Vietnam but I have had some dynamite sessions while there. I will also admit that those are becoming more infrequent and harder to find compared to the "good old days"!

SE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2281916]I hate when that happens. Then I always play it off by trying to stretch my leg to get it out while I am still fucking and the chick thinks I'm trying to do a strange new position. I finally have to admit that I have a cramp in my leg.[/QUOTE]Simple quick remedy for any cramps, abdominal or legs. Eat half a spoon of salt. Immediate relief.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2283106]Has anyone ever had a LT freelancer ask for money up front?[/QUOTE]It's pretty common with Viet girls in the Four Floors at Singapore.

It's the only place I have paid upfront and surprisingly have never had a bad experience in doing so. I would never recommend it anywhere else due to the risks already mentioned below.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283055]What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.

<snip> To be honest, I usually look for [I]two[/I] minor signs of bad attitude before calling it off, just in case there's a misunderstanding with the first one.
[/QUOTE]Crocodilexp, do you remember the 1948 Jules Dassin film noir, "the Naked City"? The film's famous closing line was "There are eight million stories in the naked city; this has been one of them. ".

Well there are 10,000 hookers in Pattaya (or a large number at any rate) and thus 10,000 stories. At one end of the spectrum there are some nice working girls that have been ripped off by an asshole customer. At the other end of the spectrum are bad working girls who want to provide the least service ie do the ripping off. And in between are a whole lot of girls that are up for a good time as long as they get paid in the end.

I agree with your 2 or 3 strikes, you're out policy and I will never pay a SW, FL, or bar girl in advance. Bordellos are another venue and in most you either pay in advance (Thai soapies) or the house keeps a sharp tab on your expenses (Macau and Jakarta saunas). Try stiffing a Macau Sauna and see what happens. 555.

In any case I have had a few, not many, FL's ask for payment in advance once we started getting into things in the room and they turned out to be good girls who had been ripped off in the past and thus had a reason to be cautious.

I remember one Viet gal I took out of the Beach club in KL a couple of years ago. Nice girl and very friendly in the bar. In the room she went along with things, DFK, but as her bra came off, she became hesitant and asked for money. Because I liked her, I went thru the discussion, yada yada, "I am gentleman, you make me happy, I make you happy" bla bla "if you are unhappy with pay later, we can back to Beach Club so you can find another customer and me another girl. " And she agreed to my terms, of course and we showered and got down to it. At first, she was still a little reluctant, but she warmed up alright and the session turned out pretty good. She ended up staying for around 3 hours and we talked and watched tv in bed afterwards. And while we were talking in bed, she told me of the time not long before when a customer had stiffed her. Anyway, I gave her a good tip for the GFE session and we were both happy.

But the bottom line is I am not responsible for what some asshole does with his girls and I won't bear the burden although I know there must be a lot of assholes out there. Another example: I was staying in the Marriot Thonglo Exec apartments Hotel - a nice place. One morning I went down to their little pastry shop to have my morning coffee. Sitting at a table next to mine was a working girl still in her evening dress. She was quietly crying. I smiled at her and asked what's wrong. And she told me her customer had just thrown her out of his room upstairs and not paid her. Now I was not in the room. I don't know if her service was good or bad. But she was not making a fuss or a scene. She was just quietly sobbing and feeling really bad. I felt sorry for her. After she left my waitress came over and asked if the girl had been botherimg me. I said, No, everything is alright. I mention this little story to illustrate that even guys that can afford the Marriott can be assholes. Whoring is not as easy as it may seem to some.

Anyway, I never pay an SW, FL, or bar girl in advance. If they want to walk, let them walk. But I have never had a girl turn me down on my terms and every FL that asked me for money upfront and did not get it, still did me alright in bed. Back to Jules Dassin, "There are eight million stories in the naked city; this has been one of them. ".

[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2283037]Dude, unless you have been on the Thai message Boards since the 90's, you didn't invent that term.[/QUOTE]Haha. Before I made that claim, I did a search of the forum and the first use of the phrase was last November by your's truly. Not sure how far the search goes back, but I know it goes back more than 10 years, so at the least I am the first to have used it since the mid to late 2000's. (Note: this is all good natured! At the least, I am happy that people are recognizing the existence of the blues, which I have been describing for a few years.).

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2283098]Sensing a less than satisfying session, I was looking for an excuse to terminate the deal. When she entered my apartment she also whipped out a cigarette despite clear signs in the lobby forbidding smoking in the apartment building. Then she ducked outside to the porch despite my protestations. A clear sign of disrespect.[/QUOTE]I don't think a punter needs any excuse to terminate a session if no sex has occurred yet. I've done it on several occasions for reasons no bigger than unpleasant smell (cigarettes are a turnoff for me too), just apologized politely, said I changed my mind, not her fault, and gave them some money for their time (usually 200-300 baht). The amount is perhaps a bit more than I would have if the cancellation was due to bad attitude. Remember, 300 baht is still a [I]daily[/I] wage in this country, you need to stand on your feet for 8 h in a 7-11 to earn that much, so 200 baht or so should be more than enough for well under an hour of doing nothing more than getting to your hotel and back.

I gave her 100 bhat which was more than enough to cover her taxi cost back to Soi 4. I know because that is what I paid the taxi to take us to my apartment. It was a cascading set of things she did that led me to ultimately cancel the session finally culminating in 'you pay me first'.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283556]I don't think a punter needs any excuse to terminate a session if no sex has occurred yet. I've done it on several occasions for reasons no bigger than unpleasant smell (cigarettes are a turnoff for me too), just apologized politely, said I changed my mind, not her fault, and gave them some money for their time (usually 200-300 baht). The amount is perhaps a bit more than I would have if the cancellation was due to bad attitude. Remember, 300 baht is still a [I]daily[/I] wage in this country, you need to stand on your feet for 8 h in a 7-11 to earn that much, so 200 baht or so should be more than enough for well under an hour of doing nothing more than getting to your hotel and back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2283128]I admit I have never had a Viet girl outside Vietnam but I have had some dynamite sessions while there. ............."!
SE.[/QUOTE]At least you need to visit Macau or Singapore. They are plenty.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2242232]At times although we should keep things simple it is just too simple to some?

As you noted I-Rover just because it has the word Bar it doesn't mean it is a place you can barfine the girls. ! There are a number of places just outside of I-Rover, that serve food and have girls you can BF, they are pretty obvious because there are servers and girls sitting on stools doing nothing but being eye candy. Jibby's, Scooters, Billibong there are about a half dozen of them if not more.

As for I-Rover, the girls are mainly servers of food and I-rovers from what I understand there are girls that will go with you but no during work hours and certainly they aren't going to drop their plate of fries for a customer and go upstairs with you for ST or LT, I know this from regulars I know but never ask or care because I never have seen anything I like, plus I have a rule business is business and pleasure is pleasure that means for me what I eat I don't want anyone messing with it?

A place like I-Rover food watching sports girls talk and certainly they aren't going to go with a customer who stays at the place which is what the original question was about. As you noted you ask and if they do it is going to be off hours and at your place not upstairs at I-rover. It isn't a really Bar as the others![/QUOTE]It's okay to take them upstairs. I stayed there for four days and had two girls working there in my room. I was fascinated by one young girl working there and her Korean eyes; it's my bad that I had her on my last day and I didn't take her number. I know it's stupid to ask these things (I am still a young adult and stupidity is common in this age), but can someone here help me in getting her whereabouts or contact? LOL. Thanks.

I am more frugal then many here. I have to watch how much I spend and look for bargains. Could I visit Macau or Singapore for anywhere close to the same as Bangkok? Or would it be like twice the amount or more? Thanks.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2284425]At least you need to visit Macau or Singapore. They are plenty.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283055]What I do if a girl has poor attitude (like asking for money in advance) before sex starts, is apologize, say I don't want to proceed with the session since I no longer have the feelz, and give her 100 baht for her trouble on her way out, so she doesn't try to raise a fuss. Makes her think twice before trying on the "pay me in advance" trick with the next customer.[/QUOTE]Right on. I do the same.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2284652]I am more frugal then many here. I have to watch how much I spend and look for bargains. Could I visit Macau or Singapore for anywhere close to the same as Bangkok? Or would it be like twice the amount or more? Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can get 2500 Baht sex in Bangkok and 30000 Baht sex in Macau.

Or you can get 30000 Baht sex in Bangkok and 2500 Baht sex in Macau.

Depends on what you want.

One of the cheapest place to find Viets in Macau is Hou Va. About 2500 Baht if you let them pick the girl. If you go to a sauna you might spend 10000 Baht or more.

Of course you could go to Vietnam and spend 500 Baht on sex with Vietnamese girls if you learn how to use sites like Thienda.

Why the hell would I go to Macau or Singapore for Vietnamese girls? Maybe there are plenty, but there are plenty more in Vietnam, which is where I'm going.

SE.

[QUOTE=Horatio;2284652]I am more frugal then many here. I have to watch how much I spend and look for bargains. Could I visit Macau or Singapore for anywhere close to the same as Bangkok? Or would it be like twice the amount or more? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Than you have to forget to meet Viet girls out of Vietnam. In Macau or Singapore the Viet girls are relatively more expansive than Thailand providers.

[QUOTE=MuaTur;2284692]Than you have to forget to meet Viet girls out of Vietnam. In Macau or Singapore the Viet girls are relatively more expansive than Thailand providers.[/QUOTE]There's also KL Malaysia where you can easily have Viets from 80 MYR (600 baht) up. Not going to be great (either looks or service) at the lower end of that range, but there's an occasional diamond in the rough, and even the uglier ones look better than an average Pattaya working girl these days.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2282546]Interesting. I would get a charlie horse in my right ankle after ejaculating on occasional. These posts have made me realize I have not had one in quite a while, possibly because I am taking a vitamin supplement with both Mn and MG?

And how did a muscle spasm become known as a charlie horse?[/QUOTE]Don't know about the horse, but leg cramps also result from low potassium levels. 1000 MG / day is good, 2000 is better.

I used to get severe leg cramps once in a while. My Doctor recommended drinking Gatorade. He said it was the loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium and calcium, ect) that causes the problem. So drinking a bottle of Gatorade or Vitaminwater (both of which contain electrolytes) on a regular basis in the evening a few hours before going to bed solved the problem. Knock on wood. I take a quality GNC Men's daily vitamin too, but don't know if that helps or not. It can't hurt.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2285495]I used to get severe leg cramps once in a while. My Doctor recommended drinking Gatorade. He said it was the loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium and calcium, ect) that causes the problem. So drinking a bottle of Gatorade or Vitaminwater (both of which contain electrolytes) on a regular basis in the evening a few hours before going to bed solved the problem. Knock on wood. I take a quality GNC Men's daily vitamin too, but don't know if that helps or not. It can't hurt.[/QUOTE]When it Thailand why spend money on Gatorade or any electrolytes product when you got coconut juice everywhere in those fruit carts. Research shows for 15-20 baht you are going to get more much more than suggested get a small or large one have them crack it open when done with the juice then you eat the slices. Cramps over!

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2285542]When it Thailand why spend money on Gatorade or any electrolytes product when you got coconut juice everywhere in those fruit carts. Research shows for 15-20 baht you are going to get more much more than suggested get a small or large one have them crack it open when done with the juice then you eat the slices. Cramps over![/QUOTE]Where in Pattaya around the flesh spots can you get a coconut for 20 bahts? 40 bahts is the best price I've been able to get for a coconut + spoon to scrape the inside.

Coconut electrolyte especially high on potassium.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2285495]I used to get severe leg cramps once in a while. My Doctor recommended drinking Gatorade. [/QUOTE]Typical Doctor of today. You got to go BANANAS.

[QUOTE=Slaol;2285650]Typical Doctor of today. You got to go BANANAS.[/QUOTE]In my 20's I used to get cramps in my right leg in the mish position. I would have to pull out quickly, flop over on my back and point my toes towards me in the same direction of my erection! LOL. The girl would be like wtf! It took 30 seconds for the cramp to go away and then I would tell the girl to get on top and ride me. Hee haw!

I did not have leg cramps until I read it here. Now I found out I have leg cramps too. But I think the reason is that I switch to Kamagra jelley recently and I may have taken too much. I usually only need 25 MG, or no more than 50 MG. With jelley being 100 MG, there is no good way to take only 25 MG or 50 MG so I end up taking too much.

Been getting allot of freelance contacts for my next trip, what's a good amount to offer? I was thinking 1000 and mention taxi money, possibly 1500 but without a mention of taxi money if they are hot.

As to guys blaming a pill for leg cramps during sex, did it ever occur to you that you're just out of shape? No. Has to be the pill. So take one and go watch two hours of TV and report back on how many cramps you get.

[QUOTE=XXL;2285558]Where in Pattaya around the flesh spots can you get a coconut for 20 bahts? 40 bahts is the best price I've been able to get for a coconut + spoon to scrape the inside.

Coconut electrolyte especially high on potassium.[/QUOTE]I'm on the Darkside of Pattaya, and the fruit carts run at that price, they also have the bottled juice in the plastic bottles. Along the road Soi Siam Country and Nernpludwan there are pickup trucks from the countryside selling by bulk 70-100 baht for a Kilo. Two years removed I did a yearly bike ride from Pattaya to Bangkok, I depended on it during my route of 34 along Bang Na picking up the juice for 15 baht. Never purchased in the flesh area that the other type of juice?

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2285972]I'm on the Darkside of Pattaya, [/QUOTE]I haven't been to the Darkside in ages. Any updates on the talent at some of the bars there like Booze Lounge.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2286160]I haven't been to the Darkside in ages. Any updates on the talent at some of the bars there like Booze Lounge.[/QUOTE]I rarely and I mean rarely ever set foot into any of the places out here on the Darkside, but I'm not out of the loop since the majority of the morning coffee drinker expats regularly venture to the clubs so I hear what are the hot spots but nothing really have changed since I've been out here 12 plus years it is rare to find anything good. If you find a young farm fresh one usually the regulars are all line up waiting. By the time I come around they are gone most likely to greener pasture the problem with farm fresh in general I have to do the leading and I'm just too old be a teacher? In the past, I had a few regulars they were in their mid or late 30's they take care of their bodies and I didn't have to put a bag over them enjoy being BF taken out for the evening to eat, drinking locally an evening not feeling they were working and at the end of the night they show their appreciation. Some of the best experiences I've had in Thailand sex wise I've had with these types.

As for the Booze not much has changed, they come they go and the ones that come aren't much and I'm not picky that goes with the majority of the places out here. One of the places I find most comfortable but like most hit and miss is Aqua. Unless I know the girl I usually don't venture unless family or friends in town it gives me an excuse in case I run into someone working might live in my neighborhood which will get me in trouble so I usually stay away from clubs out here.

The only time worth it is if a particular club is having a party so all the Freelancer come from the other clubs so do the regulars!

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2284962]There's also KL Malaysia where you can easily have Viets from 80 MYR (600 baht) up. Not going to be great (either looks or service) at the lower end of that range, but there's an occasional diamond in the rough, and even the uglier ones look better than an average Pattaya working girl these days.[/QUOTE]Slightly off topic, but if you don't mind paying a bit more, there are really some good looking talent to be had in Penang. Google "Pghotel2 U" for their website and contact. What's available is quite remarkable.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2285967]Been getting allot of freelance contacts for my next trip, what's a good amount to offer? I was thinking 1000 and mention taxi money, possibly 1500 but without a mention of taxi money if they are hot.

As to guys blaming a pill for leg cramps during sex, did it ever occur to you that you're just out of shape? No. Has to be the pill. So take one and go watch two hours of TV and report back on how many cramps you get.[/QUOTE]1000 works 90% of time.

[QUOTE=Reaper78;2286255]Slightly off topic, but if you don't mind paying a bit more, there are really some good looking talent to be had in Penang. Google "Pghotel2 U" for their website and contact. What's available is quite remarkable.[/QUOTE]Looks great, but did you actually try them? Photos on Malaysian agency sites can often be misleading (often of a completely different woman).

I wonder why a Thai girl of the quality listed on that site would work for 190 myr (1500 baht), half of which likely goes to the Malaysian mafia. They could surely make well over 800 baht per short time in Bangkok or Pattaya, in the safety and convenience of their own country. Maybe they're making up for the low price on volume.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2285967]Been getting allot of freelance contacts for my next trip, what's a good amount to offer? I was thinking 1000 and mention taxi money, possibly 1500 but without a mention of taxi money if they are hot.

As to guys blaming a pill for leg cramps during sex, did it ever occur to you that you're just out of shape? No. Has to be the pill. So take one and go watch two hours of TV and report back on how many cramps you get.[/QUOTE]Got home yesterday and was offering 1000 and being accepted. Some of the Hotter ones wanting 1500 or taking the 1000 + 200 Taxi. I got a LT (10 pm to 9 am) 1500 + 200 baht dinner (for 2). Best score was a girl from Siracha who I met at 9 am at my hotel and stayed until 8 am the following day and it cost me 1 x lunch, 1 x dinner 1 coffee and a 50 baht scarf.

No leg cramps, I am out of shape and I was taking pills.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2285967]
As to guys blaming a pill for leg cramps during sex, did it ever occur to you that you're just out of shape? No. Has to be the pill. So take one and go watch two hours of TV and report back on how many cramps you get.[/QUOTE]You might get muscle strains from the 'exercise' in bed when you are out of shape, but cramps is another story.

Been having some success getting LINE ID's and then finding out if they are truely freelance or just looking to date. Had an interesting chat with a new girl who was sending back oddly worded english replies with misspellings that google translate would never have given. I then switched my responses to Thai so that I could double check the translation to make sure I was being understood. Her response though was unexpected, she said she wanted my responses in english since it was easier for her to understand. Girl was young and new to Pattaya and working in a bar so I wonder if I was chatting with someone else and not her.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2286870]Been having some success getting LINE ID's and then finding out if they are truely freelance or just looking to date. Had an interesting chat with a new girl who was sending back oddly worded english replies with misspellings that google translate would never have given. I then switched my responses to Thai so that I could double check the translation to make sure I was being understood. Her response though was unexpected, she said she wanted my responses in english since it was easier for her to understand. Girl was young and new to Pattaya and working in a bar so I wonder if I was chatting with someone else and not her.[/QUOTE]I think very few on TF are girls just looking to date. I think I have maybe met less then 10 over a 18 month period. I wonder if some kind hearted farang with English as a second language is trying to help? For girls looking for dating I find Badoo better but is full of LBs. I secured a hairdresser from there last week. To be honest I don't think the effort of looking for free is sex is worth the outcome.

I haven't reported in ages - hate to add to the gloom. Pattaya providers dwindling to only the old and fat - Thailand's birthrate has fallen to Japanese level, and tiny younger generations mean fewer replacements in sex biz, so the odds are against us. I still have some fun here along Soi Honey or Chaiyaphum, but beach Rd is finished.

[QUOTE=Opebo;2287798]I haven't reported in ages - hate to add to the gloom. Pattaya providers dwindling to only the old and fat - Thailand's birthrate has fallen to Japanese level, and tiny younger generations mean fewer replacements in sex biz, so the odds are against us. I still have some fun here along Soi Honey or Chaiyaphum, but beach Rd is finished.[/QUOTE]I was in Pattaya last week and enjoyed the company of many slim, girls between the ages of 22 to 30. I can not see a negative in the Pattaya I go to. I have never really hit Beach Road but I think a lot of the freelancers you are not seeing are on TF now.

[QUOTE=Opebo;2287798]I haven't reported in ages - hate to add to the gloom. Pattaya providers dwindling to only the old and fat - Thailand's birthrate has fallen to Japanese level, and tiny younger generations mean fewer replacements in sex biz, so the odds are against us. I still have some fun here along Soi Honey or Chaiyaphum, but beach Rd is finished.[/QUOTE]There's has been several freelancers on Beach Road, but now it dries up sooner. Midnight to 2 AM would still have some bites out there. Now it seems the pond dries by 9 or 10 PM. Still plenty of young, thin freelancers out there. Never thought of Thais as pretty faces so no comment there.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2287835]I was in Pattaya last week and enjoyed the company of many slim, girls between the ages of 22 to 30. I can not see a negative in the Pattaya I go to. I have never really hit Beach Road but I think a lot of the freelancers you are not seeing are on TF now.[/QUOTE]

Opebo has been around for ages and knows what he's talking about.

I used TF last time I was in Pattaya, and it wasn't exactly a treasure trove. There were a hundred or so Pattaya working girls (not counting those who say "Chonburi" and are not in town), more or less awful, hardened looking bunch; if they look as they do in pictures, reality is worse. Maybe maybe 3-4 attractive ones, and by attractive, I mean acceptable, not "wow". Finally settled on a decent 22 year old For 1000 baht ST (talked down from 1500) who looked normal, could possibly pass for a non-hooker, and was actually much fresher than expected. Ok service, not incredible chemistry, but she did the work.

Unfortunately, that was a one-off, and next day I couldn't get any of the other 3 acceptable lookers within a reasonable timeframe or price. No, I won't rearrange my day to meet an Issan hooker, or wait for over 2 h for her to maybe not show up, a wank is a better choice than that.

Any online scene, even when relatively good, puts men at a huge disadvantage. Unlike when we're visiting the bars or picking freelancers, picking girls online is basically begging, not choosing. It's entirely up to the girl whether and when she'll come. And whether she'll show up at all. I can (somewhat successfully) beg and plead for women's attention in many places in the world, don't want to do that in Pattaya.

Of course, if you're coming from some sex desert like the US, TF looks amazing, but coming down to Pattaya from Bangkok, it certainly does not.

Seeing the demise of Pattaya (especially Beach Road, though other places didn't get any better either) is very sad indeed.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2287862]There's has been several freelancers on Beach Road, but now it dries up sooner. Midnight to 2 AM would still have some bites out there. Now it seems the pond dries by 9 or 10 PM. Still plenty of young, thin freelancers out there. Never thought of Thais as pretty faces so no comment there.[/QUOTE]I was there in January for a week, and my experience was different. It has been a few years since I stopped picking chicks from gogo clubs. In this recent trip, I had an FL from beach road practically every day, and I was relatively happy with the quality. I picked them up at all times of the day, until 2 am.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2287862]There's has been several freelancers on Beach Road, but now it dries up sooner. Midnight to 2 AM would still have some bites out there. Now it seems the pond dries by 9 or 10 PM. [/QUOTE]Others may know better but I just assumed after midnight most of those Beach Road FL's head to iBar, 808, Red Car, etc. or will snag a guy off TF / Badoo.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2287937]Any online scene, even when relatively good, puts men at a huge disadvantage. Unlike when we're visiting the bars or picking freelancers, picking girls online is basically begging, not choosing.[/QUOTE]Croc love your posts but my experience is totally different. No begging involved. Of course the hotter the girl the harder to bag but I gave up hunting 10's a long time ago.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2287862]There's has been several freelancers on Beach Road, but now it dries up sooner. Midnight to 2 AM would still have some bites out there. Now it seems the pond dries by 9 or 10 PM. Still plenty of young, thin freelancers out there. Never thought of Thais as pretty faces so no comment there.[/QUOTE]There out tlll sunrise just got to know where to look.

Would like to thank all of the senior members and those that posted reports on the goings-on here in Pattaya. Especially FLHawk, BananaBoi, Mr. E and others. That made planning my trip far easier and gave me an opportunity of what to expect. I'm trying to list prices as well, but some are in Baht and others in US dollars. I've never travelled to Thailand before, but have been to Tijuana on several occasions. My first impressions after 36 hours in Pattaya are that this scene completely blows Tijuana out of the water. The sheer quantity and quality of girls is a shade overwhelming. Since I've never been here before I'm really not qualified to say whether quality has decreased over the years, but from a newbie's perspective, there are certainly some stunners to be found. And while this is my first trip here, it certainly won't be my last.

Anyways, flew over on EVA through Taipei. That was the biggest hassle of the trip thus far. Eventually landed in Bangkok and made my way through customs. It might have been coincidence but a large number of Russians coming though at the same time. Had prearranged a bus ride to Pattaya and made it with minutes to spare. Bus cost was 280 Baht. Staying at the LK Residence on LK Metro. It's adequate, but definitely needs an upgrade. Had originally arranged for a room but found there was no separate shower. After nearly killing myself getting out of the tub / European shower, upgraded to a Jr. Suite with a shower. The room is fine for my needs, but certainly has signs of wear (flooring pulling up, outdated fixtures). Biggest problem is they have not upgraded the outlets so only 1 USB port in my room to charge my phone. Room cost was $400 for my 5 nights here. It does have a pool which is small, but serviceable.

First day got checked in and tried to get a short nap in. I had signed up for TF and upgraded to premium a week before I left. Had arranged for three meetings. Messaged the first through Line and she came right over. 24 years old, sweet and definitely earned her 1000 baht as the long flight had definitely caused performance issues. But she persevered and made sure the task was completed. No kissing, but everything else was on the menu. Walked over to Soi 13/2 for a massage at Happy (I think). Oil massage for 300 baht plus full service. The massage was terrible, but she got the job done at least. Took the night off as I was exhausted from the flight.

Day 2 - Arranged for lunch with another TF contact at Noon. Enjoyed lunch and then dessert back in the room. 30 years old and still a nice tight body. Looked a little better before the shower with makeup on but certainly attractive. (Maybe a 6 or 6.5). Same as Day 1 but a little kissing allowed. 1000 Baht. Took a nap to still recover from jet lag and went out with a friend to a seafood place just off of Walking Street. Couldn't believe the fresh crab or pricing for it. Dinner with 2 crabs was about 1200 baht. Walked up and down Walking Street for awhile. The neon and sheer quantity of people can be a bit overwhelming. My friend said that tourism looked a bit down and there were perhaps only 40% of the normal people. I have no idea if that's true but Chinese New Year is ending so maybe a brief lull.

I had checked out posts here and had a few go-gos on my list, including Palace and Sapphire. Walked past Skyfall and was ignored by the girls in front confirming the information that it's mostly for Asian customers. Walked into Sapphire and got a seat at the stage. Took about an hour to just get my bearings. 12-15 very attractive women swaying on stage that changed up every 30 minutes. From an American perspective, this was way more than we'the ever see in a club. Bought a few lady drinks and chatted but decided not to BF anyone as I was just too tired from travel and earlier activities. Total damage was about 1900 Baht for drinks. Walked out on Walking Street to go home and still plenty of talent on display, but still not jammed.

Plans for today include finding a tailor to make a suit and heading back to Sapphire and Palace tonight. Hopefully this wasn't too rambling for my first report.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2287939]I was there in January for a week, and my experience was different. It has been a few years since I stopped picking chicks from gogo clubs. In this recent trip, I had an FL from beach road practically every day, and I was relatively happy with the quality. I picked them up at all times of the day, until 2 am.[/QUOTE]January is a bit busier time of the year. Going back after Songkran, definitely not expecting much again. Not sure how different your experience can be when my quote states plenty of young, thing FLs out there still.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2287958]There out tlll sunrise just got to know where to look.[/QUOTE]Not trying to play Where's Waldo. Beach Road isn't the same as earlier in the decade when I 1st visited though not as bleak as what another person made it out to be.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2288254]Walked past Skyfall and was ignored by the girls in front confirming the information that it's mostly for Asian customers. [/QUOTE]Don't let the girls in front of a bar be a determinate of how welcome you are in a bar and the talent of girls inside. That Sensations coyote who has stood in front of Sensations for 3 years now doesn't say Hi to anyone, Asians included. If you prefer Farang gogo bars you can check out LK Metro near your hotel. Walk in to a bar that looks interesting to you. It's free to walk in and out of every single bar and soapie anywhere in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2287957]Croc love your posts but my experience is totally different. No begging involved. Of course the hotter the girl the harder to bag but I gave up hunting 10's a long time ago.[/QUOTE]LOL! "Hunting for 10's" in Thailand" you may find that the hunter dies before he can find the prey.

[QUOTE=Opebo;2287798]I haven't reported in ages - hate to add to the gloom. Pattaya providers dwindling to only the old and fat - Thailand's birthrate has fallen to Japanese level, and tiny younger generations mean fewer replacements in sex biz, so the odds are against us. I still have some fun here along Soi Honey or Chaiyaphum, but beach Rd is finished.[/QUOTE]This is totally honest. Anyone with long experience in Pattaya and Thailand will recognize the truth in this statement.

Along with the falling birth rate is a very high teen pregnancy rate. This means that even when 19-25 year olds wind up hooking in Pattaya, they usually have baby damaged stomachs and saggy tits.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2286870]Been having some success getting LINE ID's and then finding out if they are truely freelance or just looking to date. Had an interesting chat with a new girl who was sending back oddly worded english replies with misspellings that google translate would never have given. I then switched my responses to Thai so that I could double check the translation to make sure I was being understood. Her response though was unexpected, she said she wanted my responses in english since it was easier for her to understand. Girl was young and new to Pattaya and working in a bar so I wonder if I was chatting with someone else and not her.[/QUOTE]She was probably Cambodian or Burmese.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2288254]Would like to thank all of the senior members and those that posted reports on the goings-on here in Pattaya. Especially FLHawk, BananaBoi, Mr. E and others. That made planning my trip far easier and gave me an opportunity of what to expect. I'm trying to list prices as well, but some are in Baht and others in US dollars. I've never travelled to Thailand before, but have been to Tijuana on several occasions. My first impressions after 36 hours in Pattaya are that this scene completely blows Tijuana out of the water. The sheer quantity and quality of girls is a shade overwhelming. Since I've never been here before I'm really not qualified to say whether quality has decreased over the years, but from a newbie's perspective, there are certainly some stunners to be found. And while this is my first trip here, it certainly won't be my last.

Anyways, flew over on EVA through Taipei. That was the biggest hassle of the trip thus far. Eventually landed in Bangkok and made my way through customs. It might have been coincidence but a large number of Russians coming though at the same time. Had prearranged a bus ride to Pattaya and made it with minutes to spare. Bus cost was 280 Baht. Staying at the LK Residence on LK Metro. It's adequate, but definitely needs an upgrade. Had originally arranged for a room but found there was no separate shower. After nearly killing myself getting out of the tub / European shower, upgraded to a Jr. Suite with a shower. The room is fine for my needs, but certainly has signs of wear (flooring pulling up, outdated fixtures). Biggest problem is they have not upgraded the outlets so only 1 USB port in my room to charge my phone. Room cost was $400 for my 5 nights here. It does have a pool which is small, but serviceable.

First day got checked in and tried to get a short nap in. I had signed up for TF and upgraded to premium a week before I left. Had arranged for three meetings. Messaged the first through Line and she came right over. 24 years old, sweet and definitely earned her 1000 baht as the long flight had definitely caused performance issues. But she persevered and made sure the task was completed. No kissing, but everything else was on the menu. Walked over to Soi 13/2 for a massage at Happy (I think). Oil massage for 300 baht plus full service. The massage was terrible, but she got the job done at least. Took the night off as I was exhausted from the flight..[/QUOTE]Great report and wonderful to see someone new to the scene. So many guys in here are jaded from fucking in Thailand for 10!years that they complain. Others who come less frequently and have a western aesthetic see things differently. I find tons more Asian women attractive than do the jaded locals. So it is not surprising that you being new found the buffet appealing.

Just enjoy yourself and keep posting! (And if you like Thailand have you done German FKK Or Brazil? Both are quite worthy).

[QUOTE=RickWock;2288995]Along with the falling birth rate is a very high teen pregnancy rate. This means that even when 19-25 year olds wind up hooking in Pattaya, they usually have baby damaged stomachs and saggy tits.[/QUOTE]The birth rate is falling but there is more baby damage. OK.

Let me explain. 95% of my past trips to Patts where extensions of SEA business trips. Any work trips to Hong Kong or Singapore almost always meant a trip to Patts for a long weekend. I decided to take a trip because my buddy is getting married in the Philippines and I helped him book a detour to Patts. So glad he left after 3 days because he ran out of money and made all the newbie mistakes I warned him against. Also for some reason he could not do the exchange rate. I kept saying just drop the zero and divide by 3.

This is my first time back in about 10 years. I expected rates to change, but was a little surprised that bar fine on Soi 6 was 1500. I found 2 decent beach Road gals for 1500ST. I used to love Soi 7 and Soi 8. Now they are a complete waste of time. Walking street is always fun because of the vibe. Go inside a club or GOGO and the story changes. I saw a few guys in clubs like Miami where the hostesses are very cute, but are not leaving with you. (My buddy found out the hard way after 3 k in lady drinks and 3 hrs of wasted time.) There is no fun for me to spend $100 USD for a cute Thai girl to smile at me and laugh at my jokes and tell me how young I look.

You can't even sit for 1 min without getting the shit bugged out of you to buy something to drink. I know the deal is to get all your money as fast as possible, but there was a lot more chill attitude 10 years ago. Also going rate is 3 k ST plus 1500 BF. You'll likely spend 1500 in drinks and tips. So that's $200 USD total for about 1 HR in your room. Then she'll ask for tips for motor bike taxi. This is not the Patts I remember.

I hear the freelance scene is a little better in places like Lucifer. Problem is I am 53 and 2 am bar hopping is not my scene. So if you are like me. Take a late nap and head out at 1 am for club freelancers. Even the damn soapy let me down. The host stole money from my buddy. Never gave him his change back. Also I don't remember "tiered" pricing before. The enhanced girls who stare at their phone most of the time were 3 K. Plus tip.

Stayed at March Hotel off 2nd Road and Soi 5. Nice hotel but a little far from the action. Basically brand new for 35 USD a night. Each room has dedicated WiFi. Check it out on YouTube.

Overall I had a pretty good time, but for me, not worth paying for the whole trip. Now that I have adjusted to the new price stucture, every gogo felt like OT in Singapore. I have NEVER left Patts disappointed, until now.

I wonder if the internet has created a decline worldwide in P4 P services.

[QUOTE=Dumbass;2289133]This is my first time back in about 10 years. I expected rates to change, but was a little surprised that bar fine on Soi 6 was 1500. I found 2 decent beach Road gals for 1500ST.[/QUOTE]I used to hit Pattaya back in 2011-13. Soi 6 used to be 800 baht and BR around 500 depending on the girl. These prices suck. The girls on the 6 are not that good looking and the rooms are shit from memory. For another 600 baht I can get a much better looking girl in Addict Massage Bangkok for an hour. I can get white uni 23 yo girl turning tricks to makes end meet to fuck me for 4,500 baht in Sydney whom I have much more in common with than paying this much for a marginally attractive peasant rice farmer.

So, after taking the night off on Day 2, slept in for a bit on Day 3. I'm having a couple of suits and pants made for me while I'm here so went over to Soi 15/4 for another fitting. Prices were far cheaper than USA But will have to see how the clothing stands up once I finally get it. Then decided that, since I'm here, I had to at least check out a Thai soapie. Took the baht bus over to Sabai Room. Again, a bit overwhelming for someone from the USA But essentially you get ushered into a room with a long bar at one end, tables to sit at, and the girls in two (or three) tiers on the one side. Ordered a drink and went over the selection which appeared pretty decent. Basic tier was 2000 Baht and next tier up was 2400 Baht. The higher priced tier definitely were slimmer and a bit cuter than the first tier. I had read here what to expect so I wanted to select a lady with more assets above the waist. Took #151 and upstairs we went. I won't bore everyone with the details (the services in Pattaya soapies are well documented) but I certainly enjoyed the experience. From my perspective, if you're going to a Pattaya soapie for an awesome sexual encounter, you are looking for nothing but disappointment. If you're going to enjoy the pampering and the experience, it's probably worth the price. I've read Bangkok soapies are an entirely different animal but yet to experience. The real negative part was the manager's attitude and insistence for a tip. I was like, "Tip for what? Standing here?

Anyways, took a nap, met up with a friend for dinner and then went back to Walking Street at about 9:30 pm It was a Sunday so a bit slower than the previous night but still packed. Eventually made my way to Tantra. Grabbed a brew and watched 2 changes in the lineup. Did not like the layout of the club (too cramped) and the girls were not to my liking. I prefer a bit of curve and none of that was to be found. The guy next to me pulled out his phone and started to video the girls on stage. The hostess saw him immediately and slapped the phone away. I decided discretion was the better part of valor and headed for the door before security exited him from the premises.

Stopped into Infinity and again checked out the lineup. I thought it was a bit better than Tantra, but nothing really tickled my fancy. Walked over to Sensations and thought the lineup was poor, compared to the other clubs. Finally, went back over to Sapphire. I will pass along one adage for any newbies. When a Thai gogo dancer says "let's meet up with my friends" after you barfine her, you are in for an expensive and LONG night. I had seen 3-4 girls that met my criteria the night before, but had passed due to over consumption. It was far less crowded on Sunday versus the previous evening. Called over 1 girl for a couple of lady drinks but wasn't feeling a vibe. Saw a stunner from the night before and ordered her a couple of drinks as well. #244 (Ja? Long story short, much better vibe and the look I was going for. 5 K Baht for long-time which is the going rate (I know, everything is negotiable). Barfine and drinks (plus drinking games with the hostesses and mamasan) added up to another 1700 Baht.

Went over to Lucifer and she asked if she could have a couple of girlfriends meet up with us. Sure, no problem, I thought. Then bottle service. Then more drinking games with the friends and their friends. It was a long night. Great fun and since it's my first time here it was kind of nice to have someone show me around, but a bit pricey. I think the bottle cost with all the mixers when it was said and done was like 5000 Baht. Anyways, I'm on vacation. Then we just had to go over to a gogo in LK Metro for another friend's birthday. By now, the girl I'd barfined was hammered and it's time to start feeding water. Then, motorbike over to a restaurant past Soi Boukhao with her friend. They order dinner. Another 1000 Baht. But, again, I'd never have gone there without a local, the food was really good, and I'm paying a premium for the tour guide. Finally ended up back at my place and the alcohol had taken its toll on her. Within 5 minutes she's out.

Day 4-4.5.

Woke up next morning at 9:00 am And she's still out. 12:00 pm Still out. Finally got her up at 3:00 pm Eventually woke her up enough to get Round 1. Looked just as good without the clothes as in them. Responded well and seemed to enjoy. Picked us up some dinner from Ruenthai on Second Road (really good food) for 300 Baht. Had dinner together and she left at around 5:00 pm I was beat and took a short nap. Had another fitting for the pants at the tailor and then responded to the TF girl I'd met on Day 2. Went over to Next Best Bar on Soi 8. Played some pool and some dice game (Jackpot?) with her and mamasan. Total drinks and BF was 1400 Baht. Thai holiday the next day so bar closed at midnight. Went back to hotel and again, she fell asleep shortly thereafter. I did get Round 1 in the morning which was again, really good. Had breakfast together at McHead Restaurant on Second Road (decent English breakfast) for 300 Baht and then had to go back to my hotel to get some work done.

Overall, soapies are exactly what everyone here has said. I doubt you're going to get anything uncovered, the manager and attendants all have their hands out for tips and aren't bashful, but if you enjoy some pampering, you'll probably think it was worth the money. The going rates for ST and LT posted by BananaBoi for tourists appear to be very accurate. If you're a local or regular I'm sure discounts are there to be had. I did not visit Soi 6 but saw some cuties on Soi 8 so the occasional "diamond in the rough" is still there. Plenty of stunners in the major gogo's for all preferences, whether you like them tall and slim or more hourglass. I have no information to compare from 5 or 10 years ago, but these are just my perceptions as a first-timer. And the food and other costs here are substantially cheaper (than USA Or even Mexico) which made up for the long flight over. One more night and the bus picks me up tomorrow morning.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2289001]Great report and wonderful to see someone new to the scene. So many guys in here are jaded from fucking in Thailand for 10!years that they complain. Others who come less frequently and have a western aesthetic see things differently. I find tons more Asian women attractive than do the jaded locals. So it is not surprising that you being new found the buffet appealing.

Just enjoy yourself and keep posting! (And if you like Thailand have you done German FKK Or Brazil? Both are quite worthy).[/QUOTE]This is so true, these old guys on this forum always whining and complaining about pussy. Who does that, #weirdos.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2288997]She was probably Cambodian or Burmese.[/QUOTE]Or maybe the "Thai messages " he sent her were not understandable.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2289179]............... The real negative part was the manager's attitude and insistence for a tip. I was like, "Tip for what? Standing here?......................... When a Thai gogo dancer says "let's meet up with my friends" after you barfine her, you are in for an expensive and LONG night................... a bit pricey. I think the bottle cost with all the mixers when it was said and done was like 5000 Baht. Anyways, I'm on vacation. ........................[/QUOTE]If you are American they expect more from you, your fellow countrymen have set the trend.

Jay0940 may I suggest you check out a fabulous pick me up that all the stores stock and its only 30 cents, its called M150 (don't buy the supercharged version it sucks). Its like red bull on steroids but in a good way. Keep a few bottles on hand for when you feel tired yet have a girl in your room, in fact make a mixed drink out of it and give some to the girl as well. That will keep her from going off to sleep.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2289001]Great report and wonderful to see someone new to the scene. So many guys in here are jaded from fucking in Thailand for 10!years that they complain. Others who come less frequently and have a western aesthetic see things differently. I find tons more Asian women attractive than do the jaded locals. So it is not surprising that you being new found the buffet appealing.

Just enjoy yourself and keep posting! (And if you like Thailand have you done German FKK Or Brazil? Both are quite worthy).[/QUOTE]The Western aesthetic is for Issan girls who are dark skinned with high more pronounced cheekbones. They usually come from peasant backgrounds in the North East.

Hi gents,

A friend has got a week to spare so we will hit Thailand, what would you gents say is the difference between Bangkok vs Pattaya for a week?

Is there much difference at all? Apart from a beach.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2289386]Jay0940 may I suggest you check out a fabulous pick me up that all the stores stock and its only 30 cents, its called M150 (don't buy the supercharged version it sucks). Its like red bull on steroids but in a good way. Keep a few bottles on hand for when you feel tired yet have a girl in your room, in fact make a mixed drink out of it and give some to the girl as well. That will keep her from going off to sleep.[/QUOTE]M150 tastes like cough medicine but it will have you doing cartwheels through hot charcoal!. Drink it in moderation.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2289757]A friend has got a week to spare so we will hit Thailand, what would you gents say is the difference between Bangkok vs Pattaya for a week?[/QUOTE]Split your time between the 2 cities so you see both. It's been said many times before, 2 days Bangkok, go to Pattaya and stay for as long as you are having a good time, then back to Bangkok. It's a 90-120 minute taxi ride costing you between 1300-1500 baht. Much cheaper transportation around 200 baht per person if you don't mind hopping in to a minivan / bus with others.

Don't listen to anyone's opinion on here on which is better. There are pro Pattaya and pro Bangkok guys. Go to both and make your own opinion. They are both worth seeing.

If good food matters at all as it certainly does for me, Bangkok is WAY better than Pattaya.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2289854]
Don't listen to anyone's opinion on here on which is better. There are pro Pattaya and pro Bangkok guys. Go to both and make your own opinion. They are both worth seeing.
[/QUOTE]That is good advice BB. As a "pro Bangkok guy" I got to say, I spent a long weekend in Pattaya in October after a 2 year hiatus and I had a great time & met some damn sexy girls. I still prefer the big city overall because there is more to do, more variety, and yes better restaurants, but I have already booked another weekend sidetrip from BKK in May and looking forward to it. BKK is the big city. Patt is the resort town. Take you pick. Both good for what you want/what you need - girls.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2289757]Is there much difference at all? Apart from a beach.[/QUOTE]Night and Day, IMHO.

But I like BB's advice of visiting both places to get your own perspective and then sticking to what you like better. I love both places, but BKK edges out PYX marginally on several parameters.

For me the biggest difference between BKK and Pattaya is the clientele. The gogo bars in both cities have fairly similar clientele since they are the more expensive places to hobby. However, most of the low cost Pattaya beer bars attract customers who look much more poor and ghetto than the average BKK beer bar customers. In Pattaya, you will see more guys wearing tank tops, sandals, and dirty sometimes putrid clothes. It's not just the way guys dress some of the Pattaya guys just look poor as fuck.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2289854]Split your time between the 2 cities so you see both. It's been said many times before, 2 days Bangkok, go to Pattaya and stay for as long as you are having a good time, then back to Bangkok. It's a 90-120 minute taxi ride costing you between 1300-1500 baht. Much cheaper transportation around 200 baht per person if you don't mind hopping in to a minivan / bus with others.

Don't listen to anyone's opinion on here on which is better. There are pro Pattaya and pro Bangkok guys. Go to both and make your own opinion. They are both worth seeing.

If good food matters at all as it certainly does for me, Bangkok is WAY better than Pattaya.[/QUOTE]I like them both. Since I will now visit for longer periods, I will stay mostly in Pattaya due to lower costs and a more laid back atmosphere. But I always spend the last 5 nights of my trips in BKK. Without question both should be experienced. BB, I don't think I have ever heard you express a preference for BKK before. I'm a little surprised by that.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2289757]Hi gents,

A friend has got a week to spare so we will hit Thailand, what would you gents say is the difference between Bangkok vs Pattaya for a week?

Is there much difference at all? Apart from a beach.[/QUOTE]Pattaya or Bangkok. Because I live in Thailand its Bangkok but for visitors I recommend Pattaya. Easier to get around and the mongering is totally immersive, you cannot turn a corner down there without walking into a working girl. It has the beach such as it is, trips to the islands and other happy holiday bits and pieces.

It takes time to know and understand Bangkok, how to get around, where to eat but when you live here for a while, get used to the traffic and become familiar with the scene there is no comparison.

[QUOTE=Allover;2289972]I like them both. I will stay mostly in Pattaya due to lower costs and a more laid back atmosphere. But I always spend the last 5 nights of my trips in BKK. Without question both should be experienced.[/QUOTE]I am going to both cities and Phuket in September. Has anyone flown with Nok Airlines? I understand their flight attendants are super cute.

[QUOTE=Allover;2289972]BB, I don't think I have ever heard you express a preference for BKK before. I'm a little surprised by that.[/QUOTE]I was referring to food and I think everyone with any taste buds would agree Bangkok restaurants are WAY better than Pattaya restaurants.

For my taste in girls Bangkok does have the single best establishment in both cities, Thermae.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2290187]For my taste in girls Bangkok does have the single best establishment in both cities, Thermae.[/QUOTE]This is a perfect example illustrating different preferences & tastes among different punters. I almost never take a girl out of Thermae. I am just not into the Thermae look and I especially dislike the way the girls dress, even the sexy ones. Add to that, the ones that act super friendly to me and appear eager to be chosen are the least desirable physically IMHO. Opinions may vary. Which is my point.

The places I like most in BKK are certain favorite Go Go's & Soapies. Pattaya has some great Go Go's too as I remarked in my last post. I was duly impressed, but Pattaya's soapies can't compete with BKK soapies. Its like the difference between Formula 1 (BKK) and Formula 2 (Pattaya) racing as far as soapies are concerned. Again, opinions may vary.

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[QUOTE=DCups;2290130]I am going to both cities and Phuket in September. Has anyone flown with Nok Airlines? I understand their flight attendants are super cute.[/QUOTE]

In case you didn't know Bangkok Airways flies non-stop between Pattaya and Phuket. Pattaya airport was about 1 hour by taxi from Walking Street last summer. My driver told me a new section of highway to be completed by now will make it a much shorter trip. Air Asia also flies that route non-stop.

I absolutely hate the taxi ride between BKK and Pattaya and will do anything to avoid it.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2289757]Hi gents,

A friend has got a week to spare so we will hit Thailand, what would you gents say is the difference between Bangkok vs Pattaya for a week?

Is there much difference at all? Apart from a beach.[/QUOTE]I have been to both and would say BKK is best (I am more of a City guy). To me Pattaya was more of a tourist area (don't get me wrong there is plenty of activity to get into if you know what I mean) I don't plan to ever go there again but that's my preference. I would probably do a BKK & (Phuket or Chiang Mai) on my next visit. However If you never been before then try to split time and experience both. I don't think you would go wrong plus read up there is plenty of valuable info here on both!

[QUOTE=Allover;2290354]In case you didn't know Bangkok Airways flies non-stop between Pattaya and Phuket. Pattaya airport was about 1 hour by taxi from Walking Street last summer. My driver told me a new section of highway to be completed by now will make it a much shorter trip. Air Asia also flies that route non-stop.

I absolutely hate the taxi ride between BKK and Pattaya and will do anything to avoid it.[/QUOTE]I went to Malaysia via UTP and can't say its really any quicker or easier.

[QUOTE=Allover;2290354]In case you didn't know Bangkok Airways flies non-stop between Pattaya and Phuket. Pattaya airport was about 1 hour by taxi from Walking Street last summer. My driver told me a new section of highway to be completed by now will make it a much shorter trip. Air Asia also flies that route non-stop.

I absolutely hate the taxi ride between BKK and Pattaya and will do anything to avoid it.[/QUOTE]Good to know, Allover. This is news to me. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mombie75;2289757]Hi gents,

A friend has got a week to spare so we will hit Thailand, what would you gents say is the difference between Bangkok vs Pattaya for a week?

Is there much difference at all? Apart from a beach.[/QUOTE]This depends on what time of the year you go. There's more girls in Pattaya from November to about March whereas Bangkok has solid amount year round. This isn't to say Pattaya is a ghost town because it's still worth visiting. A ride to Pattaya is 1000 to 1500 b / trip. It's cheaper to holiday there though the gogo's have reached Bangkok prices. Pattaya is great if the preference is a more laid back trip and without much of the noise of the city. Bangkok is great if the preference is restaurants, roof bars, and being in a city.

Been having a very good success rate getting LINE ID's from Thai Friendly, seems the best time to ask is right before your trip. But it is hit and miss, many girls don't respond but those that do give their LINE ID's are usually freelancers. You can also tell by some girls Thai Friendly ID that it might be their LINE ID as well and do a quick search. Works OK if they are freelancers but got a few regular girls who did get a bit upset when asked if they were free for sex.

Just arrived in Pattaya for a few days of fun. PM me if you are here and would like to meet up.

For Americans: See Bangkok as Thailands New York, and Pattaya as LOS Angeles, and Phuket would then be Miami.

For Europeans: See Bangkok as Berlin / Amsterdam and Pattaya as Cannes / Hamburg, and Phuket would then be Barcelona.

For South Americans (why the fck anyone from SA would visit Asia beats me) See Bangkok as Bogota / Lima, and Pattaya as Rio, and Phuket would be Cartagena.

IMHO, I think that is a good way to see the difference, cheers JD.

P.S: don't even think about Betong, you will be lost, you will feel you are missing out. You 100% will do miss out. (No Country for old men / Rookies).

[QUOTE=IMembr;2290550]The difference of BKK vs Pattaya? This depends on what time of the year you go. There's more girls in Pattaya from November to about March whereas Bangkok has solid amount year round. This isn't to say Pattaya is a ghost town because it's still worth visiting. A ride to Pattaya is 1000 to 1500 b / trip. It's cheaper to holiday there though the gogo's have reached Bangkok prices. Pattaya is great if the preference is a more laid back trip and without much of the noise of the city. Bangkok is great if the preference is restaurants, roof bars, and being in a city.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IMembr;2290550]This depends on what time of the year you go. There's more girls in Pattaya from November to about March whereas Bangkok has solid amount year round. ...[/QUOTE]Uhm. Soi 6 in Pattaya was dead in December and January compared to right now. Don't know If the good times will go on into March.

Between my first visit in Nov'17 and right now I see no difference in quality or quantity of girls on Soi6.

The place has enough girls to find one that would suit your preference. But it takes patience and walking back and forth multiple times. Also all girls don't prefer to sit outside during the hot afternoon hours so the girl that might turn you on is not necessarily sitting outside.

[QUOTE=Hack351;2290528]Best way to ask a "normal girl" (7-11, coffee house, etc) worker if they do ST or LT without offending them? I see her often on Holiday so don't want to make it weird if she don't.[/QUOTE]As I was saying, just be normal.

In December me and my brother were walking down Second Road. Some chicks were sitting out front of a massage parlor. As we passed, I saw one I liked and stopped to talk to her. We exchanged info. I did not get to see her before I left. I had spoken to her once in the 2 months that I have been gone. In that conversation she told me that she is 23 years old. I am 46.

I arrived yesterday and popped into her massage shop to see her. She said she thought I was full of it. Somehow it got to the subject of me cleaning my room or looking for someone to clean it since it gets really dirty when I am not here. She asked how much I pay and I told her 500. She said she would come do it at 6 when she got off.

One chick did my nails and she gave me a head and shoulders massage. I ended up falling asleep during the massage and she just left me to sleep. I woke up at 6:30 pm. She said she had to run and do some shopping and would come to my room in 40 minutes.

I know that 40 minutes will turn into 40 days with chicks, so I did some running around then went to eat to burn up time. I still had not heard from her, so I went home and started spring cleaning my own damn room. She called and said she is sorry that she is running late but would be on the way now. I said shit, I am almost finished cleaning now. She asked if I still wanted her to come now or tomorrow instead. I said still come now.

I put on the movie Crazy Rich Asians for her while I finished cleaning. It was 33 degrees in my room. I finished and turned on the a/c and went to take a shower. I came out and told her to go take a shower. She said that she would take one when she got to her room. I said no go take one now since you are laying in my clean bed.

She came out with a towel on and was playing that shy role. She said she was scared because she had never been with a Black guy. We had a great time fucking and after she told me that if she is ever to busy to come over then fell free to take another girl.

We fell asleep and she woke me up at 1:30 am to take her to her room in Naklua. She had told me how good her room was and that it was new for 4500 baht per month, same as mine. She said it just didn't have a/c but she does not like a/c anyway. So when we got there I came in to check it out. We talked a lot and she ended up feeding me chocolate and fruit. I finally left at 3 am because she had to drive to her aunt's house in Sattahip.

ZERO baht. That is why you treat people as normal people instead of trying to make everyone out to be hookers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2291170]As I was saying, just be normal.

In December me and my brother were walking down Second Road. Some chicks were sitting out front of a massage parlor. As we passed, I saw one I liked and stopped to talk to her. We exchanged info. I did not get to see her before I left. I had spoken to her once in the 2 months that I have been gone. In that conversation she told me that she is 23 years old. I am 46.

I arrived yesterday and popped into her massage shop to see her. She said she thought I was full of it. Somehow it got to the subject of me cleaning my room or looking for someone to clean it since it gets really dirty when I am not here. She asked how much I pay and I told her 500. She said she would come do it at 6 when she got off.

One chick did my nails and she gave me a head and shoulders massage. I ended up falling asleep during the massage and she just left me to sleep. I woke up at 6:30 pm. She said she had to run and do some shopping and would come to my room in 40 minutes..[/QUOTE]The last line, treat people as normal people, works more often than not in 3rd /2nd world countries. Don't be trigger happy.

[QUOTE=LoneWolff;2291135]Between my first visit in Nov'17 and right now I see no difference in quality or quantity of girls on Soi6...[/QUOTE]I visit early, no later than 4 pm. Hence perhaps different experiences.

When I arrived at the airport yesterday morning I went downstairs as usual to see what time the bus was leaving. It would be over an hour. Fuck that. I took the elevator to the 4th floor and went outside to the taxis. First guy I talked to, asked him how much to Pattaya. He said how much you pay? I said 900. He said let's go. He started the meter.

I told him that I knew the tolls were 60 baht. He said they were now 105 baht. I didn't check or anything. I just ended up handing him 1100 baht when it was time to pay the tolls. He stopped off later at a gas station.

When we arrived at my place, the meter read 1137 baht for 1 hour 42 minutes and 125km.

I got in late last night. Took a walk over to Kink Agogo. Bought a drink and watched the ladies for awhile. It was nice to no be bothered for lady drinks. I did pull a girl of off the stage. Her name was Kim. Very nice girl. Told me that she was been dancing for 1 week. (yea right) said she was a beer bar girl before. Anyway, I had a few drinks with her and played touchy feely. Got her LINE ID. Called her this morning and she is coming over at 2:00 pm. I left there and was walking back to my room and an older but very attractive massage girl at Privi massage talked me into a foot massage.

I did not get her name. (stupid shit) while she was doing the massage. There was a cute girl massaging a guy in the next row. She kept on loooking and smiling at me. When she was done with the guy she cam over by me and started to talk with me. She asked if I wanted a manicure. I said yes. Now one would think the she would have gotten a chair and sit next to me to trim my nails. But instead she sat on the arm of the chair and provided to place my have between her legs so she massage my upper arm. When the other lady started massaging my legs, Sunny, then cute one started to massage my inner thighs and brush my balls and cock. The older girl said I should take Sunny to my room. I said later. I paid 200 for the foot massage and 200 for the manicure. Tipped both girls and as I was sitting out side Sunny gave me a piece of paper with her number. I called when I got back to my room. She is coming to my room at 5:00 pm.

Now what to do for dinner tonight. Then later maybe hit up a soapy.

Nice work, Horndog. Now that's how it's done guys. There is absolutely no need to pay barfines in gogo bars. Just arrange for the girl to come by after her date with a guy who has paid her barfine already or arrange for before/after work or her free day. There is no need to pay 2000 baht barfines at gogo bars. Arrangements always made to see gogo girls on their free time.

Re. Soapies, best to go earlier around 5 or 6 pm. Most girls already there. Leave it as a day time activity keeping nights free for gogo bars or your favorite beer bar.

Ok guys, I figure this better write these as I go along since when I leave it to after I return home it seems it never gets written. So pardon brevity and spelling mistakes I'm doing this using my phone in a Soi 13 bar whilst the staff is cleaning the used rubbers and stained sheets in my room LOL.

Arrival.

After the usual airline fuckups I arrived 6 hours later than planned at the Poom and my driver was there as promised, I use [URL]tanstaxi.com[/URL] always now due to the total reliability and excellent communications if things go awry, 1300 baht from the arrivals meeting point to my hotel door. A bit more than many pay but I like Tann. Recommended. Arrived in mid-morning.

Soi 6 on arrival.

Not wanting to waste a lot of valuable time, I headed to Soi 6 in early afternoon. I walked all the way there along Beach Road. Counted 8 providers available along the coconut bar but did not inquire as to terms. Only 2 were doable, all looked pretty rough. Walked up Soi 6 to 2nd Rd. Checking out the talent. 2:30 pm and all bars open with seemingly a full cadre of gash present and soliciting customers. Ended up having my interest piqued by some cuties and good music at Hot Chile bar, went in and ordered a beer. Sent the first one back then settled on a very cute quite young one, new on the scene.

Ahm was 20 yo, the kind of figure I like (150 cm 41 kg) but zero English. Google translate to the rescue. I made the decision for an LT correctly assuming I'll need time to warm this hottie up as I am in my mid- sixties. But first box to check on this trip was doing one that is one third my age or less. Mission accomplished.

Provider specs: the good.

Ahm couldn't have been cuter or a closer match to my physical preferences. Once warmed up back at my hotel she was a good fuck. As it was LT after 3 hour we had a second round.

Provider specs: the bad.

Turns out she had a baby 4 months earlier and needed to turn tricks to send money home for baby care. Shagging was good, but BBBJ was nearly nonexistent and anal was not an option. As always, when failing to do a proper pre-punting interview because of again thinking with the little head there was some service disappointment. Some baby damage but not too terrible. Clearly went to work before any serious breastfeeding as boobs were like a teenage virgin.

Provider specs: cost.

Fucking bar wanted 1000 barfine for LT, the mamasan there is a nasrty piece of work. But Ahm did the nasty for 1500 LT, small tip and taxi money, all in ended up being 3000. Too expensive, but I am a fat old ugly bastard and she was a young doll, so in the end I am still a happy camper.

Provider specs: rating.

Body: 8/10 (base 9. 5 but deduction for baby damage).

Face: 9/10 (I am a sucker for full lips and dimples).

BBBJ: 1/10.

DFK: 2/10.

Anal: 0/10.

Fuckmg: 7/10 (multiple positions, good effort).

COF: 0/10.

CIM: 0/10.

Overall: as expected. No rush none of this "hurry up and come" bullshit.

Would repeat: probably not, too many other fish in the sea.

Sent her back, and got ready to meet wingmen and head out to dinner.

To be continued.

Met up with wingmen. One very experienced monger and one newbie in full thrash. Checked out some beer bars and walked around trying to find the big seafood place for dinner. Didn't find the one we were looking for, but found another one on second road around Soi 11 or so it was ok. Headed to Kink in LK, second floor. Pretty wild full contact, acrobatics fully nude onstage, pussy eating at stage side if you are into that sort of public thing, etc. Back on the couches you get hustled for lady drinks - 180 to 250 baht depending on what she gets, and you can play with her tits and maybe pussy too. But only for about 10 minutes max and they are hustling you for another drink. 100 baht tip for playing with her parts and sent her on her way. Some big tits up there, but most of the girls are pretty chunky. Too zaftig for my tastes. My one beer plus 1 lady drink 330 baht. So. Expensive but fun for an occasional experience. There were some wild guys there throwing handfuls of 20's onto the stage to watch the bimbo scrum. About every half hour or so the stage drops down to the fully clothed first floor and all the girls do a sodtcore lesbian show for 10 minutes and then it rises back up for the naughty play upstairs. We went out of there after less than an hour in the interest of staying reasonably solvent, and headed out to the rest of LK to prowl for evening company.

To be continued.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2292086]Back on the couches you get hustled for lady drinks - 180 to 250 baht depending on what she gets, and you can play with her tits and maybe pussy too. But only for about 10 minutes max and they are hustling you for another drink. 100 baht tip for playing with her parts and sent her on her way. [/QUOTE]I don't recall any other gogo bar in Pattaya charging different rates for lady drinks other than coyotes are usually 50 baht less than "models" who are topless or nude. You mentioned you were upstairs so weren't all those "Models"?

I've also never heard a gogo bar in Pattaya charging 250 baht for a lady drink, especially not in budget conscious LK Metro. You should try some of the other high mileage gogo bars in Pattaya for prettier skanky girls because I was at Kink downstairs twice this week and it scared me when they lowered the stage and I had to even look at the "models" from upstairs.

You mentioned you were with a very experienced monger. Why didn't he tell you that you were being hustled having to buy drinks for girls every 10 minutes and that you needed to tip them 100 baht to touch them. Neither is true. I have NEVER had to tip a girl extra to feel them up. 3 to 4 drinks maximum per hour is the right pace to keep a girl there all night.

Marine Seafood is ok and inexpensive. Located on one of the side sois off Walking Street near Peppermint gogo. http://www.bangkok.com/pattaya/pattaya-top10s/top10-seafood-restaurants.htm

Not criticizing you I'm appreciative of some actual gogo bar reviews. Just trying to help you save some cash.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2292086]Checked out some beer bars and walked around trying to find the big seafood place for dinner. Didn't find the one we were looking for, but found another one on second road around Soi 11 or so it was ok. [/QUOTE]If you like seafood so much, you should check out the seafood market in Naklua during the day. You walk around and buy your fresh seafood, then you take it to one of the many stalls outside to cook up for you. Not as expensive as the restaurants in town.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292155]If you like seafood so much, you should check out the seafood market in Naklua during the day. You walk around and buy your fresh seafood, then you take it to one of the many stalls outside to cook up for you. Not as expensive as the restaurants in town.[/QUOTE]You do realize most foreigners do not know fish have a head and tail!

Or chicken have a head and feet.

Frustrated with the mongering scene in India me and my friends landed in Thailand yesterday. Went to soi 6 and started negotiations. 1500 is the asking price for girl + room. Didn't need any bargaining skills to get them to agree for 1200.

The girl I chose was very friendly. She said she was 21 but my guess is 26-28. Showered together and started the deed. Just want to add that most of the girls at soi 6 were on the plump side. Anyways after the initial kissing and tit sucking asked for the BJ. She said she just had a root canal and showed it to me. My mistake that I didn't demand it during negotiations. Anyways it didn't matter because I was having a good time, the reason being I had 2 pegs of Bacardi before leaving the hotel. I could also control my ejaculation because of that. Foreplay included fingering her till I could hear her wetness. The it was WOT followed by grinding sitting face to face. Then lifted her in my arms and banged her for around 2 minutes. Finally it was missionary position to finish it off. There too surprisingly I could hold off for a long time, thanks to Bacardi. After cumming we showered and dressed and went down to the bar. She sat with me chatting on Google translate app for a long time (sadly no one understands even basic English.

My feedback-.

My friends accompanying me too had a good experience.

Though the girls at soi 6 are not drop dead gorgeous they make you happy.

Would I return to the same girl? - yes on my next trip to Pattaya.

Today I'm going to pick a FL from beach Road.

Thank you.

Not even sure when it opened but I only noticed it tonight. It is across from Iron. When I first walked in it seemed ok. Then with closer inspection I couldn't get out of there quickly enough. Guys who like the quality of girls from Crazy House and Windmill may like it here but not for me.

I wish Pattaya gogo bars would get rid of there so called "models". Other than Palace models are usually older and bigger girls with not so pretty faces. Just because you take off your top you should not be called a "model" with 200 baht lady drinks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2292602]Not even sure when it opened but I only noticed it tonight. It is across from Iron. When I first walked in it seemed ok. Then with closer inspection I couldn't get out of there quickly enough. Guys who like the quality of girls from Crazy House and Windmill may like it here but not for me.

I wish Pattaya gogo bars would get rid of there so called "models". Other than Palace models are usually older and bigger girls with not so pretty faces. Just because you take off your top you should not be called a "model" with 200 baht lady drinks.[/QUOTE]It opened I think 19th of Feb? I was doing a walk heading to Dollhouse and noticed it across from Iron near Soi Diamond. Another small and narrow GoGo, I agree with the Model remarks doesn't it get tiring? I enjoy nudity so I rarely complain if they are big and fat etc I give them credit to having the nerve to take it off completing with slimmer ones on stage to me it tells a lot of a person. Actually, I've had some of the best encounters with the bigger ones my thinking in general " no sex so they are horny as hell? " the majority of the time it comes true? A few months back decided to do a visit to Paradise (LK) not much but I looked up and there was this big girl, not fat but solid body big tits not sagging average face she was smiling at me pointing to her body after her set she walked by smiling again so I brought her a LD, in the end, we had a good romp being on top of her mish reminded me of my old solid mattress back home.

Drinks are expensive and so is he barfine, waitress told me 2000 baht 1500 after midnight, same owner group Chinese Mainland as Yes GoGo, the night I was there it was packed Yes had closed and move all their girls to this new club.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2292274]You do realize most foreigners do not know fish have a head and tail!

Or chicken have a head and feet.[/QUOTE]Take a girl with you and get her to do the ordering.

Hey guys,

Looking for some hot tips for some quality boom boom time. I'll be heading out to Thailand (Pattaya / Bangkok) and then onto Vietnam (Hanoi) from this weekend. I have a one week break to explore SEA whilst on a month long business trip in HK. Any dark skinned, mixed blood Kendall Jenner types most welcome.

Read through 30 plus pages on the Pattaya thread thus far. Will do similar on Bangkok and Hanoi. Some useful nuggets of info from a handful of trip reports. I have Kink and Windmill to check out in Pattaya. Are there any clubs around Jomtien beach worth visiting?

There is so much reading to go through in a short period of time. So anyone kind enough to compile an adult Tripadvisor version of the top 5 to 10 attractions for each location with associated prices would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Howie.

Howie, from FKK guy to FKK guy I know you are into quality looking girls. Please don't go to the skanky nude bars like Windmill, Crazy House, upstairs at Kink and expect good looking girls. It will be by absolute luck if you find one. Guys go there, buy a beer, and finger the girls on stage. Sure it's fun for cheap thrills if looks isn't a priority.

Palace, Baccara, Panda, and Kink downstairs had decent girls last night. Try Sensations too. Free to walk in and out of all gogo bars. There is a board in every bar that show how many girls are working. Girls go hide out upstairs if the bar is empty.

[QUOTE=Mjen1970;2292738]Take a girl with you and get her to do the ordering.[/QUOTE]There is an old adage among the wise and experienced men in Thailand. NEVER LET A HUNGRY THAI GIRL ORDER FOOD AT A RESTAURANT.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2292769]There is an old adage among the wise and experienced men in Thailand. NEVER LET A HUNGRY THAI GIRL ORDER FOOD AT A RESTAURANT.[/QUOTE]Yesterday me and my girl at ribs at Richman Poorman. (By the way they are closing in 8 days.) Later on in the evening we went to Big C to buy some snacks for our Koh Chang trip today. While we were at Big C she said that she was hungry. I am thinking how the hell is she hungry, when I am still full?

So I took her to the market and I got a cold chocolate while she walked around looking for food. She came back with 2 dishes. Half way through the first dish: Can I take this to your room? I am full. The second dish is still in the room and we are now on the boat to Koh Chang.

Alia Club, this is the seventh club in the soi. Someone tried it?

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2292814]Alia Club, this is the seventh club in the soi. Someone tried it?[/QUOTE]I was on soi full love Inn the other day. 3 girls sitting outside alia begging me to come in. Wanted to check out alia but got distracted by prettier girls in other bars sticking their heads out the door when they saw me.

[QUOTE=Howie;2292762]Hey guys,

Looking for some hot tips for some quality boom boom time. I'll be heading out to Thailand (Pattaya / Bangkok) and then onto Vietnam (Hanoi) from this weekend. I have a one week break to explore SEA whilst on a month long business trip in HK. Any dark skinned, mixed blood Kendall Jenner types most welcome.

Read through 30 plus pages on the Pattaya thread thus far. Will do similar on Bangkok and Hanoi. Some useful nuggets of info from a handful of trip reports. I have Kink and Windmill to check out in Pattaya. Are there any clubs around Jomtien beach worth visiting?

There is so much reading to go through in a short period of time. So anyone kind enough to compile an adult Tripadvisor version of the top 5 to 10 attractions for each location with associated prices would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks.

Howie.[/QUOTE]To each his own but personally I would skip Windmill and Kink, and make a visit at Dollhouse off Walking Street down Soi 15 after What's up! When it comes to Windmill, if you like girls in white school socks and uniforms then knock yourself out but I like to look at ladies and at Dollhouse you can get hands-on action and more and there is more room to sit.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2292839]To each his own but personally I would skip Windmill and Kink, and make a visit at Dollhouse off Walking Street [/QUOTE]Funny another ISG member and I walked by Dollhouse last night and he asked if that was where we were going. I said I hadn't been to Dollhouse in over a year but was willing to give it a shot. We decided to go to Kink DOWNSTAIRS. I will try out Dollhouse this week. The current line up looks ok? Been meaning to revisit another dirty club, Electric Blue, as well. You been to EB lately?

[QUOTE=Howie;2292762]Are there any clubs around Jomtien beach worth visiting?[/QUOTE]Jomtien has a walking street you should definitely check it out.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2292769]There is an old adage among the wise and experienced men in Thailand. NEVER LET A HUNGRY THAI GIRL ORDER FOOD AT A RESTAURANT.[/QUOTE]I have spent about 25,000 baht alone at FRA restaurant in the last 12 months. When leaving Walking Street you have to walk past it and I do not know of any girl I am with who can walk past and every girl will usually order enough food for 3 people.

Fra Pattaya is actually good cheap eats. Used to go there all the time when I was still a tourist but haven't been for years. Hated sitting there with a girl I just barfined from Sensations only to have a bus load of Chinese tourists come in.

I had forgotten about Fra and was wondering why but now I realize I don't take the tourist exit out of Walking Street to get to the 2nd Road baht bus.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2293023]I have spent about 25,000 baht alone at FRA restaurant in the last 12 months. When leaving Walking Street you have to walk past it and I do not know of any girl I am with who can walk past and every girl will usually order enough food for 3 people.[/QUOTE]I would say you got away cheap. You are averaging a little more than 2000 b a month which isn't bad. Assuming you are getting out more than once a month at the very least. 5555.

The most I have spent at a restaurant on a Thai girl was in Bangkok several years ago at El Gaucho. I was no rookie that time but I had this stunning mixed race Univ student who wanted to go there. How could I say no? 5555.

I think just the capirinhas cost me as much as what I would spend on food in a week in Thailand.

Would I do that again? Ummmmm.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293064]I would say you got away cheap. You are averaging a little more than 2000 b a month which isn't bad. Assuming you are getting out more than once a month at the very least. 5555.

The most I have spent at a restaurant on a Thai girl was in Bangkok several years ago at El Gaucho. I was no rookie that time but I had this stunning mixed race Univ student who wanted to go there. How could I say no? 5555.

I think just the capirinhas cost me as much as what I would spend on food in a week in Thailand.

Would I do that again? Ummmmm.[/QUOTE]Hi Blanq.

That is only over 18 days in the last 12 months LOL. I am looking for a new route from Walking Street to Second Road bypassing South Road. LOL.

Picked up a pretty Thai from Beach Road. A little short and stout but had a friendly nature which made her attractive. Asked for 1000 but agreed for 800. It was a GFE. Good BJ and very small pussy; tight and shallow (It amazes me how the Thais accommodate the non-Asians) Showered before and after. She was in no hurry so we talked after showering. She went on how a senior indian man was providing for her and how she was going to stop this work by April.

Long story short, had a good time.

Would give a 7 for sex. 8 for sincerity and attitude. 6 for body, that's just if we compare to international standards.

In short it was good.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2293087]That is only over 18 days in the last 12 months LOL. I am looking for a new route from Walking Street to Second Road bypassing South Road. LOL.[/QUOTE]How do you spend 25,000 baht on a budget Thai food restaurant in 18 days? You could rotate Thai girls' favorites Shabushi and MK every day and still not spend that much.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293064]
The most I have spent at a restaurant on a Thai girl was in Bangkok several years ago at El Gaucho. I was no rookie that time but I had this stunning mixed race Univ student who wanted to go there. How could I say no? 5555..[/QUOTE]You're much more extravagant than myself. My buddy who you met in your hometown and I have been wanting to go to El Gaucho but over 4000 baht for a filet mignon plus appetizers and drinks just seems too expensive for a steak made in Thailand. Was it worth the money for the food and what you received from your student?

[QUOTE=Samkuw;2293107]Picked up a pretty Thai from Beach Road. A little short and stout but had a friendly nature which made her attractive. Asked for 1000 but agreed for 800. It was a GFE. Good BJ and very small pussy; tight and shallow (It amazes me how the Thais accommodate the non-Asians) Showered before and after. She was in no hurry so we talked after showering. She went on how a senior indian man was providing for her and how she was going to stop this work by April.

Long story short, had a good time.

Would give a 7 for sex. 8 for sincerity and attitude. 6 for body, that's just if we compare to international standards.

In short it was good.[/QUOTE]Nice report, Samkuw. Thanks for taking the time to submit it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2292915]Funny another ISG member and I walked by Dollhouse last night and he asked if that was where we were going. I said I hadn't been to Dollhouse in over a year but was willing to give it a shot. We decided to go to Kink DOWNSTAIRS. I will try out Dollhouse this week. The current line up looks ok? Been meaning to revisit another dirty club, Electric Blue, as well. You been to EB lately?[/QUOTE]Making rounds year round I finally got to Soi 15, that was around June of last year, hit Sensation, EB, BD, then Dollhouse counting Sensation out since it is a different club I found Dollhouse to be the best. I learned from another friend many of the girls that were working G-spot which closed ended up at Dollhouse sister club.

Dollhouse has a upstairs like Kink, called the XXX club, but I enjoy downstairs a larger venue that Windmill but pretty much has the same stuff on popular nights, tub, and a table on one side with lesbian show, I've found the line up to be better than the others clubs mentioned and pretty hands on.

Two weeks ago I was visiting normally after a large dinner like to get one or two Sangsome over the rocks DH, has a 2-1 special 135 baht which as soon as I get combined into one drink so that is a lot of rum with two ice clubs they don't bother me after that which give me time to see the Lineup. That evening got my favorite seat upper deck right side as you walk in, soon after a old guy might have been younger but he looked as if he hadn't taken a shower in days, long all white pony tail carrying a bag as if he just came from shopping get some entertainment before heading home. He walked up and sat a bit to my right the section was empty as I continue to watch the stage there was this tiny girl all natural small tits full naked so comes off the stage and goes up and seat next to him I thought nothing of it. Around 10 minutes later I happened to turn to my right I now see the guy on his knees and the girl is on her back legs up in the air spread and he is just going downtown on her. I was cracking up so was the gay waiter who was standing nearby the old guy was going downtown on that pussy.

Thereafter, the girl has to take a break and go back to the stage to do her rotation minutes later she comes down goes back up gives the guy a grinding lap dance and thereafter the old guy back on his knees going back to work. Not sure what he tip her but when he was done paid his bin walkaround with his bag and headed out the backdoor.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2293158]You're much more extravagant than myself. My buddy who you met in your hometown and I have been wanting to go to El Gaucho but over 4000 baht for a filet mignon plus appetizers and drinks just seems too expensive for a steak made in Thailand. Was it worth the money for the food and what you received from your student?[/QUOTE]The beauty is back then the restaurant was very new and they boasted about pampa grass fed Argentinian steak. It was worth every morsel. So were the chorizo sausages. Drinks were top notch.

And my hot Univ student Aew. Jeez I get a hard on just thinking about her and the time I spent with her.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293382]The beauty is back then the restaurant was very new and they boasted about pampa grass fed Argentinian steak. It was worth every morsel. So were the chorizo sausages. Drinks were top notch.

And my hot Univ student Aew. Jeez I get a hard on just thinking about her and the time I spent with her.[/QUOTE]This discussion probably belongs in the Bangkok board. I will have to give El Gaucho a try, I have been a fan of El Toro at Soi 29 and Sukhomvit. They have great meat and sausage.

PIT.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2293008]Jomtien has a walking street you should definitely check it out.[/QUOTE]And where skould that be? If you mean the "walking street" around the Jomtien Complex, that is an entirely gay area.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2293087]Hi Blanq.

That is only over 18 days in the last 12 months LOL. I am looking for a new route from Walking Street to Second Road bypassing South Road. LOL.[/QUOTE]Jesus. You win man. How on earth can anyone spend that much money at a place like Fra?

As for exits from WS, you can take Soi Diamond, or Soi 14, or Soi 15. Or even that little road where Palace is located. All of them lead to 2nd road and you can easily find a motorbike taxi or a songthaew. There is one street where one has to endure senseless loud, blaring, incoherent Arab muisc, but I forget which one.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293581]There is one street where one has to endure senseless loud, blaring, incoherent Arab muisc, but I forget which one.[/QUOTE]That'd be Soi 16!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293581]Jesus. You win man. How on earth can anyone spend that much money at a place like Fra?

As for exits from WS, you can take Soi Diamond, or Soi 14, or Soi 15. Or even that little road where Palace is located. All of them lead to 2nd road and you can easily find a motorbike taxi or a songthaew. There is one street where one has to endure senseless loud, blaring, incoherent Arab muisc, but I forget which one.[/QUOTE]That I think is Soi 16, you can get to it from 2nd road where the Marina Hotel is located, one side leads to the Marina Seafood there is a walkway there that lead into W. S. As you come out Peppermint Go Go is right there along with Marina Disco under that is the boxing ring. Opposite of the Marina Hotel left is what I nickname Muslim road loud music all night long and I mean loud follow that road it leads you to 16, at the end is now the big Indian venue called RAZZ nightclub.

The small little Soi next to Palace, usually a small police table there with a bunch of Freelancer I nickname that Soi P72 after the hotel and outdoor restaurant.

I vote for Rob to take Soi 16 off Walking Street. Marine Seafood imo is better than Fra for food quality and you get to see all the girls walking in if you go around midnight. Last time I was there with another ISG member and he ran after a girl he saw walking by. He got her info and met her up at iBar or wherever she was working after we finished eating.

Soi 16 is named Soi Arab.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2293655]I vote for Rob to take Soi 16 off Walking Street. Marine Seafood imo is better than Fra for food quality and you get to see all the girls walking in if you go around midnight. Last time I was there with another ISG member and he ran after a girl he saw walking by. He got her info and met her up at iBar or wherever she was working after we finished eating.

Soi 16 is named Soi Arab.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. They are like moths to a flame when you go anywhere near a restaurant. On my last night in February I got a bit cranky with it and took the girl to 7-11 instead and she got some micro waved food and still she only ate about 1/3 third of it! Do you think their eyes are bigger then their bellies or it's not their baht so they do not care about the waste?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2293581]Jesus. You win man. How on earth can anyone spend that much money at a place like Fra?

As for exits from WS, you can take Soi Diamond, or Soi 14, or Soi 15. Or even that little road where Palace is located. All of them lead to 2nd road and you can easily find a motorbike taxi or a songthaew. There is one street where one has to endure senseless loud, blaring, incoherent Arab muisc, but I forget which one.[/QUOTE]You know the cost are drunken assessments LOL. But seriously thanks for the detours as the cost of the meal does not really worry me but I just want to get back to the room and bang them.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2294227]Do you think their eyes are bigger then their bellies or it's not their baht so they do not care about the waste?[/QUOTE]Their eyes are bigger. I don't pay my girlfriend anything. It's all her money. She says she's going out to buy somtan and she comes back with 3 bags of different foods. She eats a little of each bag and says she will save it for tomorrow. The next day comes and she's out buying all the same food again without even considering eating her leftovers since it sours overnight.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2294266]The next day comes and she's out buying all the same food again without even considering eating her leftovers since it sours overnight.[/QUOTE]Funny. My girl said that Thai people could still eat it after it has been sitting up for 1 week. She would not let me throw it out. Now she has gone back to KK and this bullshit is still sitting in my refrigerator.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2294266]Their eyes are bigger. I don't pay my girlfriend anything. It's all her money. She says she's going out to buy somtan and she comes back with 3 bags of different foods. She eats a little of each bag and says she will save it for tomorrow. The next day comes and she's out buying all the same food again without even considering eating her leftovers since it sours overnight.[/QUOTE]Pretty common with all people. I end up throwing out over have half of my food in the refrig. Most of my leftovers from eating out get tossed out after a few days. I don't know why I bother to bring it back!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2294266]Their eyes are bigger. I don't pay my girlfriend anything. It's all her money. She says she's going out to buy somtan and she comes back with 3 bags of different foods. She eats a little of each bag and says she will save it for tomorrow. The next day comes and she's out buying all the same food again without even considering eating her leftovers since it sours overnight.[/QUOTE]It is not a question of the "eyes being bigger". Thai and Lao like to have a number of different dishes when they eat; 3 or 4 dishes are not uncommon. If you don't eat with her, there will always be food left over.

For the most part refrigerated food should only be kept for 72 hours. Any longer than that throw it away or risk getting sick.

A great majority of you might not believe this but many don't even own a refrigerator. Many Thais on a daily basis to keep something cool for a period just buy a bag of Ice and put this in a small foam cooler for 24 hours. Although not a conclusion I have twelve renters only one of them have a small refrigerator too expensive to run for the majority.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2294535] I have twelve renters only one of them have a small refrigerator too expensive to run for the majority.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't normally be so curious but are you saying you rent out rooms to some 12 people and you don't provide a refrigerator. Apologizes if I misunderstood.

Picked up a pretty Madagascar chick on my way to Beach Road. Asking price was 1500 but agreed for 1000. Took her to my hotel in a took took taxi. She smelled very good and when I asked she said it was coco channel, I don't know. Showered together and started blowing during it. Dried up and went to bed. Again started BBBJ without persuasion. Then it was WOT followed by doggy and missionary. OK in English but kept saying french during sex. Said she was on visit for 30 days.

Feedback. Very good BJ and sex. Good body and personality.

It was really a GFE.

[QUOTE=Samkuw;2294601]Picked up a pretty Madagascar chick on my way to Beach Road. Asking price was 1500 but agreed for 1000. [/QUOTE]Hi mate,

Good negotiation skills. Did you see many Africans in Pattaya? Heard they are been chased away. I was in Patts a couple of years ago and saw very few and at that time it was said there were many around. Thanks for a good report.

[QUOTE=Taurus71;2294817]
Did you see many Africans in Pattaya?[/QUOTE]I have not seen any for many months now. Never on Beach Rd anymore. But someone told me there are lots on Tinder.

[QUOTE=Taurus71;2294817]Hi mate,

Good negotiation skills. Did you see many Africans in Pattaya? Heard they are been chased away. I was in Patts a couple of years ago and saw very few and at that time it was said there were many around. Thanks for a good report.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Taurus71;2294817]Hi mate,

Good negotiation skills. Did you see many Africans in Pattaya? Heard they are been chased away. I was in Patts a couple of years ago and saw very few and at that time it was said there were many around. Thanks for a good report.[/QUOTE]Hi bro,

I too heard there are some Africans there but spotted only 3, including the one I picked. One from the other two was with an Arab guy. She had all the features of Africans but skin was very fair. Must be mixed ethnicity. The last one was a friend of the chick I picked up. I thought she was a dark skinned Thai till I was corrected by my chick.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2294598]Wouldn't normally be so curious but are you saying you rent out rooms to some 12 people and you don't provide a refrigerator. Apologizes if I misunderstood.[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I'm saying! It might be a surprise to you and others but there are two types of rooms being rented, furnished and unfinished in general the poor Thais popular is just a big studio room in the rear area for cooking and a bathroom. The place is bare bones four walls if you are lucky the floor are tiled and have a sit down toilet, no shower head or hot water they bring their garbage bucket and scoop.

If I were to provide a refrigerator they would use it for a closet the electricity is too expensive for a Thai the reason why provide an A / see, recently one of my rooms rented to a old Thai couple the Thai husband was bedridden my rooms provide cable T. V. Because we don't want a bunch of antennas attached to the outside or roof cost is 200 baht a month the old man loved it but the wife say too much, next month she moved into a dump just because of the 200 baht.

Whenever a tenant moves out or sneaks out the middle of the night I have run through the units and fix everything again. The biggest problem to save on the electricity they remove the light bulbs and go bare minimum I refilled all my units with LED and they still remove them the problem they don't leave them behind because of the expense of the electricity. So I split the lighting system in half and fitted them with dimmers.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2295018]That is exactly what I'm saying! It might be a surprise to you and others but there are two types of rooms being rented, furnished and unfinished in general the poor Thais popular is just a big studio room in the rear area for cooking and a bathroom. The place is bare bones four walls if you are lucky the floor are tiled and have a sit down toilet, no shower head or hot water they bring their garbage bucket and scoop.

If I were to provide a refrigerator they would use it for a closet the electricity is too expensive for a Thai the reason why provide an A / see, recently one of my rooms rented to a old Thai couple the Thai husband was bedridden my rooms provide cable T. V. Because we don't want a bunch of antennas attached to the outside or roof cost is 200 baht a month the old man loved it but the wife say too much, next month she moved into a dump just because of the 200 baht.

Whenever a tenant moves out or sneaks out the middle of the night I have run through the units and fix everything again. The biggest problem to save on the electricity they remove the light bulbs and go bare minimum I refilled all my units with LED and they still remove them the problem they don't leave them behind because of the expense of the electricity. So I split the lighting system in half and fitted them with dimmers.[/QUOTE]Not sure I get all you were saying LBM but thanks for trying. I guess however so humble a roof over your head is better than living rough on the streets.

[QUOTE=Franga;2294923]I have not seen any for many months now. Never on Beach Rd anymore. But someone told me there are lots on Tinder.[/QUOTE]Only 2 or 3 left on Tinder. The cleansing has been swift and efficient.

I ran across an "outcall massage" service on the internet offering oil massage 600 bt / 60 min, 900 bt / 90 min, 1100 bt / 120 min by attractive young spinners, as per the pictures which they sent along. Anyone have experience / comment and anyone know of the expected fees for extras for such outfits?

I enjoy an outcall to my hotel in the morning and thought this may be a valid process if not a 'bait and switch'. Look forward to feedback, cheers.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2295128]I ran across an "outcall massage" service on the internet offering oil massage 600 bt / 60 min, 900 bt / 90 min, 1100 bt / 120 min by attractive young spinners, as per the pictures which they sent along. Anyone have experience / comment and anyone know of the expected fees for extras for such outfits?

I enjoy an outcall to my hotel in the morning and thought this may be a valid process if not a 'bait and switch'. Look forward to feedback, cheers.[/QUOTE]I would really like to partake in this service when I visit Thailand next year so I am eagerly awaiting a report of your experience.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2295128]I ran across an "outcall massage" service on the internet offering oil massage 600 bt / 60 min, 900 bt / 90 min, 1100 bt / 120 min by attractive young spinners, as per the pictures which they sent along. Anyone have experience / comment and anyone know of the expected fees for extras for such outfits?[/QUOTE]I give 500 for the massage and 500 for fucking. No discussion unless they bring it up.

Happy agogo. Big sign outside Happy that the expansion will be completed March 15. If the expansion is the entire Beach Club space Happy may become the largest gogo bar on Walking Street. Happy was packed tonight as expected with all the Beach Club girls there. Girl to guy ratio was about 5:1. #19 is very pretty.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2295595]Happy agogo. Big sign outside Happy that the expansion will be completed March 15. If the expansion is the entire Beach Club space Happy may become the largest gogo bar on Walking Street. Happy was packed tonight as expected with all the Beach Club girls there. Girl to guy ratio was about 5:1. #19 is very pretty.[/QUOTE]Is it just me but I don't like a gogo bar to be too big? I like to be able to see all the girls dancing if possible, and of course that is not possible, but the closer to it the better. Maybe my attitude doesn't make sense because more girls is more choice, but I used to be frustrated at Bacarrat that when seated I could see so few of the girls properly due to stage over crowding. I was probably frustrated too in Thermae when found it hard to get one of the best 3 girls in the place. Bigger does not seem to be better. Rotating stage sections can be a help for me. Would customers like to move around in a big gogo like they do in Thermae? Ha ha. I have certainly changed seat before but not too frequently. Is a really big gogo bar better, or two smaller ones better? Might depend on style and atmosphere I suppose. Are customers attracted to very full bars, or bars with more space available. I can recall thinking bars with lots of empty seats were a bit dead. Yet I did not go for an overly full bar either, especially if guys are standing in front of you or even right next to you, always wondering when going to cop a spilled drink.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2295874]Is it just me but I don't like a gogo bar to be too big? I like to be able to see all the girls dancing if possible, and of course that is not possible, but the closer to it the better. Maybe my attitude doesn't make sense because more girls is more choice, but I used to be frustrated at Bacarrat that when seated I could see so few of the girls properly due to stage over crowding. I was probably frustrated too in Thermae when found it hard to get one of the best 3 girls in the place. Bigger does not seem to be better. Rotating stage sections can be a help for me. Would customers like to move around in a big gogo like they do in Thermae? Ha ha. I have certainly changed seat before but not too frequently. Is a really big gogo bar better, or two smaller ones better? Might depend on style and atmosphere I suppose. Are customers attracted to very full bars, or bars with more space available. I can recall thinking bars with lots of empty seats were a bit dead. Yet I did not go for an overly full bar either, especially if guys are standing in front of you or even right next to you, always wondering when going to cop a spilled drink.[/QUOTE]I don't think even with the expansion it is possible for Happy to be one big Go Go, that is impossible due to the location. When they are finished with the renovation and adding Beach Club next door to the mix it will feel separate from the main original stage. The whole setup will be like a square off horseshoe. As you walk down the outdoor path to Happy, Beach is on the right, as you get closer to Happy entrance to the left is the second stage but you need to enter through the main entrance then turn left / left to seat yourself at this stage. Everyone like to sit around the middle and main stage the current side stage is just an afterthought when they finish the renovation and attach Beach which is on the right it will be the same as the left side separate due to the foundation of the pillars of the building. Can't see it any other way there will be three stages and if the girls don't rotate fast enough you would be picking up your drink bin cup and looking for a new location?

Well the tour is at an end. Over the 5 days my wingman and I had our share of fun. Most daytime action was on soi 6. The bars around Lust on Soi were the pick and we did manage to find some good performers. Overall quality on soi 6 was ok IMHO. We did try Kinnaree once but found the girls to be too pushy and average. Performance a little mechanical too.

The nighttime action we tended to concentrate around LK metro and then ended up on WS. Pick of LK Metro gogos was Kink. Good looking girls and a lot of them. WS I thought that Sapphire still is still the pick. I had two girls from that bar and both were great performers. One a real GFE while the other was not quite a GFE but was very accommodating. Lots of BBBJ and DATY action.

Pattaya is still heaven for the monger. A lot of girls and if you have the time you will find what you are looking for. We certainly did. Thanks again to Banana Boi for introducing us to Kink.

Happy Hunting.

Yesterday I banged a Soi Chaiyapoon semi-regular. 1000 baht all inclusive.

I noticed that she had a new small tattoo. She said it cost her 700 baht. Then without any prompting from me she said that for a Farang that tattoo would have cost 2000 baht.

So, tattoos cost 3 times more for foreigners than Thais. Interesting. Looks like Thai cartel pricing is also present in the tattoo industry, not just the sex industry.

[QUOTE=Franga;2296133]Yesterday I banged a Soi Chaiyapoon semi-regular. 1000 baht all inclusive.

I noticed that she had a new small tattoo. She said it cost her 700 baht. Then without any prompting from me she said that for a Farang that tattoo would have cost 2000 baht.

So, tattoos cost 3 times more for foreigners than Thais. Interesting. Looks like Thai cartel pricing is also present in the tattoo industry, not just the sex industry.[/QUOTE]What's her name, name of the bar and was she any good?

[QUOTE=Franga;2296133]Yesterday I banged a Soi Chaiyapoon semi-regular. 1000 baht all inclusive.

I noticed that she had a new small tattoo. She said it cost her 700 baht. Then without any prompting from me she said that for a Farang that tattoo would have cost 2000 baht.

So, tattoos cost 3 times more for foreigners than Thais. Interesting. Looks like Thai cartel pricing is also present in the tattoo industry, not just the sex industry.[/QUOTE]The reason for that is that farang do not like to bargain. For them first price is final price. How many times have I said to work out a price on Soi 6 OR like you said 1000 all in for your chick (massage or Chaiyapoon), where other guys are paying 1000 plus the massage or 1000 plus the room. I just left Mike's shopping where I bought a Buriram and Thailand football shirt. Dude started at 400 baht each. I told him 200 baht. We settled at 250 each.

Also, I had a chick over last night that has a partially done big tattoo on the upper right side of her back. She said it cost 6000 baht, prepay. She has to go back and get it finished. This is the same chick I know that used to come from Bangkok some weekends to work on Beach Road. She used to always talk shit because I would only pay her 1000 baht LT (but she would always accept it). That was a couple of years ago. She has since moved to Pattaya and gotten a good job. This morning when I took her home I had the same 1000 baht ready for her. But before I gave it to her I asked if I need to give her money. (She was acting more of a normal girlfriend than before.) She said no. Then she said give me 100 baht. I gave her 100 baht.

We were also talking about how it is monkey see monkey do around here. She said that her tattoo place said they are not making any money now. A few years ago things were good, but now everybody and their mom has opened a tattoo shop. Barber shops and coffee stands have also sprung up. Nobody can make any money around here for all the copycats.

Had a great time.

Spent nights split up between GoGos near Walking Street, Soapies near Soi 2, Soi 6 bars and the Freelancers on Beach Road. Spent days at lo key bars on 2nd St and by the pool.

Gogos, Windmill and Dollhouse were the best. Tried a Russian one, Eden? Windmill and Dollhouse were great, the Russian place a dud with overpriced drinks.

Soapies, 3 times, didn't spend more than 2800 baht total, had great girls.

Freelancers: spent 1000 to 1200 baht, had great girls the one with 1200ST was worth it and she went the extra 20% for me (I appreciate the extra attention).

Soi 6: spent 1000 to 1500 baht. Went twice both at night, bit overwhelmed and didn't spend enough time choosing the right girls. I think if I would have taken my time, it would have been better.

My buddy liked the bar girls the best (he found one lady for 500 baht after she got off work, OK looking but I rather spend more for a looker), I liked the Soapies best, with best value the freelancers.

Next time, longer trip like a month. This trip was just 7 days, so I wanted to explore. What do LT people do? Do you keep a lady just for one night or multiple nights? I think if I found a freelancer I liked, I think 1700-2000 baht a day for say 3 to 7 days would be nice. I did get the LINE of a freelancer that I liked, what is a fair number to offer for a week? (its the one I paid ST 1200 baht for) BTW- She has texted me often, so I know she is interested but her normal rate 2500 baht a day for a week seems a lot especially since I am picking up meals and whatever.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2292091]I don't recall any other gogo bar in Pattaya charging different rates for lady drinks other than coyotes are usually 50 baht less than "models" who are topless or nude. You mentioned you were upstairs so weren't all those "Models"?

I've also never heard a gogo bar in Pattaya charging 250 baht for a lady drink, especially not in budget conscious LK Metro. You should try some of the other high mileage gogo bars in Pattaya for prettier skanky girls because I was at Kink downstairs twice this week and it scared me when they lowered the stage and I had to even look at the "models" from upstairs.

You mentioned you were with a very experienced monger. Why didn't he tell you that you were being hustled having to buy drinks for girls every 10 minutes and that you needed to tip them 100 baht to touch them. Neither is true. I have NEVER had to tip a girl extra to feel them up. 3 to 4 drinks maximum per hour is the right pace to keep a girl there all night.

Marine Seafood is ok and inexpensive. Located on one of the side sois off Walking Street near Peppermint gogo. http://www.bangkok.com/pattaya/pattaya-top10s/top10-seafood-restaurants.htm

Not criticizing you I'm appreciative of some actual gogo bar reviews. Just trying to help you save some cash.[/QUOTE]BB, we mainly wanted to expose the newbie to it; I only bought one LD and one beer for myself. As you rightly point out, most of the 'models' are pretty skanky. LOL. Same kind of hustle at Windmill off Walking Street BTW, went there a few days later. Again, just to check it out and show the newbie around. I stopped posting as got too busy with pool, massage, and juggling a daytime GF and an overnight GF. Tough life being a monger. Could be I got confused as to the LD prices, not sure. Back home now, I need to catch up on the posts for the rest of the week I was there. Had a blast, as usual.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2292155]If you like seafood so much, you should check out the seafood market in Naklua during the day. You walk around and buy your fresh seafood, then you take it to one of the many stalls outside to cook up for you. Not as expensive as the restaurants in town.[/QUOTE]Mr. E,

That was the place we were looking for that I remember from a trip a few years ago. Couldn't recall on this trip, wish I had. Ah well, next time in a few months for sure.

[QUOTE=Generalm;2296273]
I know she is interested but her normal rate 2500 baht a day for a week seems a lot especially since I am picking up meals and whatever.[/QUOTE]Not really expensive if she is one of the hotter freelancers. You have to think of it from her point of view and how many 1200 baht short times she will be losing if going with you LT for 2500 baht. If she can get 3ST's then she is showing a loss.

It seems to me that most freelancers will go for 2000 baht per day. And skankier older ones may even go for 1000 baht.

[QUOTE=Generalm;2296273]
Next time, longer trip like a month. This trip was just 7 days, so I wanted to explore. What do LT people do? Do you keep a lady just for one night or multiple nights? I think if I found a freelancer I liked, I think 1700-2000 baht a day for say 3 to 7 days would be nice. I did get the LINE of a freelancer that I liked, what is a fair number to offer for a week? (its the one I paid ST 1200 baht for) BTW- She has texted me often, so I know she is interested but her normal rate 2500 baht a day for a week seems a lot especially since I am picking up meals and whatever.[/QUOTE]I break LLT into two categories depending on the freedom I want: if I just happen to keep the girl for day after day, unsure how many days I will keep her, I just pay her daily rate repeatedly; if I know I'm going to keep her X days then pre negotiate a reduced rate for that time period.

For a week, that reduced rate would typically be roughly her ST rate times 7. Obviously other factors need to be taken into consideration: a busy girl is unlikely to agree to just one ST payment per day; going on a holiday or somewhere attractive to her sweetens the deal. I never consider paying for her food, 5 star accommodation etc a factor in her payment. Her family can't eat air conditioning or nice sheets. 😉.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Franga;2296387]You have to think of it from her point of view and how many 1200 baht short times she will be losing if going with you LT for 2500 baht. If she can get 3ST's then she is showing a loss.[/QUOTE]You are looking at it from a purely "possible income" point of view which is not the best way to look at it. You assume she is going to get 3 ST, which may not be the case. (And remember there are way more chicks around this place than active mongers.)

To obtain 3 ST she has to spend time looking for and obtaining customers, which is work. When she finds them she will have to go from place to place fucking 3 times per day. The LT guy is probably not going to fuck her 3 times per day and she already has her bird in the hand as opposed to 3 in the bush.

So put it like this, would you rather go to work and pay for your own daily expenses with the chances of making 3600 baht per day, or be on an all expenses paid vacation while getting paid a sure 2500 baht per day? With the 3600 she could possibly have 1100 baht in expenditures which is going to net her 2500 anyway!

Sorry for the delay, but now that I am back home and working my butt off to be able to afford to head there again, I have little time to do these reports. I will catch up bit by bit.

After we spent an hour or so in Kink playing and watching and drinking and fending off the lady drink hustle, we headed out to check out the beer bars in the area. Did a fair bit of cruising around, most of the talent was less alluring than the minimum needed to begin negotiations for company for the night. Went into dozens of places, didn't drink much, mostly did a quick survey and headed back out. Had a Guinness at Witherspoons where a great band was playing, and also went down to Toy Bar off 2nd Road where a pretty good Philippine band was also playing. Not really wanting to head back to the hotel alone, I decided to make another pass through LK even though it was now quite late and the place was emptying out. My wingman had found company and was just being a good buddy watching me unsuccessfully search, LOL. A spinner bolted out of a dim bar not far from Devil's Den and grabbed my arm and wouldn't let go, LOL. She was older than my preference, but the figure was superb and attitude seemed excellent (or maybe the rent was due and she was desperate for a customer, who knows). Had a drink and on the spur of the moment I decided WTF and pulled the trigger. It was Lucky Friend You bar, mostly older ladies there. But fun anyway. 300 bt to the bar, and she agreed 1 K all night. Headed back to the hotel.

What a good choice I ended up having made! Totally attentive, sweet, rockin' body, and it must've been quite some time since she got adequate action, because she became a tigress in the sack. Had a great session and passed out about 2:30 AM. Then was awakened by the cutie working my parts at about 4 and we had another great session Passed out again as I was really spent, and I'll be damned. Wouldn't you know it, at around 9 AM woke up to more tinkering of my parts. A man has to do what a man has to do, so I buckled down and had yet another great session, followed by a swoon into unconsciousness. And. Drum roll. At around noon AGAIN I was woken up by a needy babe next to me and had a FOURTH session. Holy shit, I am in my mid-60's and this hasn't happened to me in a dog's age. After finishing at nearly 1 PM, my phone rings and its my wingman asking if I am alive or not. Told him I just finished a fourth session and might be in need of food and some kind of recuperation, LOL. We all went out to breakfast after cleaning up (love having breakfast at 2 PM!) and sent her on her way with a 300 bt tip. What a night. Headed back to the hotel pool where I attempted not to drown from the physical exhaustion of the night's exercises.

All in all, would repeat. In fact, I DID repeat. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Howie;2292762]Are there any clubs around Jomtien beach worth visiting?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zman429;2293008]Jomtien has a walking street you should definitely check it out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Danubius;2293518]And where should that be? If you mean the "walking street" around the Jomtien Complex, that is an entirely gay area.[/QUOTE]There is actually a "Walking Street" in Jomtien and there are even signs at both entrances showing the name Jomtien Walking Street. However, just like stated above, that area is entirely for gay people and there are only gay bars there. The best suggestion for the OP is to check out Soi 7 and that is a rather long street with girle bars. Soi Whitehouse is a good street to check out too, and it is next to Soi 7.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2297037]There is actually a "Walking Street" in Jomtien and there are even signs at both entrances showing the name Jomtien Walking Street. However, just like stated above, that area is entirely for gay people and there are only gay bars there. The best suggestion for the OP is to check out Soi 7 and that is a rather long street with girle bars. Soi Whitehouse is a good street to check out too, and it is next to Soi 7.[/QUOTE]I saw several places on WS with sign says "Russian Girls" and there are several good looking ones hanging near the entrance. They definitely looking like Russians. Are these girls bar-fine-able? Anyone with experience in these places? Thanks in advance for your input.

Cheers,

[QUOTE=NguyetLang;2297337]I saw several places on WS with sign says "Russian Girls" and there are several good looking ones hanging near the entrance. They definitely looking like Russians. Are these girls bar-fine-able? Anyone with experience in these places? Thanks in advance for your input.

Cheers,[/QUOTE]You must mean Walking Street in Pattaya and not Walking Street in Jomtien. I live in Jomtien and usually never visit Jomtien Walking Street because it is all gay there. Yesterday I made an exception and went there just to take some photos, that I uploaded in my previous post, and I didn't see any girls at all there, only gay guys.

I know the Russian clubs that you are thinking of, that is in Pattaya Walking Street and they are not good. Sure, some of the Russian girls are good looking but you better avoid them. The Russian girls in Pattaya are known to be rip off girls so not worth it to bother at all about them.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2297349]The Russian girls in Pattaya are known to be rip off girls so not worth it to bother at all about them.[/QUOTE]Unless you get them from Tinder.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2297349]You must mean Walking Street in Pattaya and not Walking Street in Jomtien. I live in Jomtien and usually never visit Jomtien Walking Street because it is all gay there. Yesterday I made an exception and went there just to take some photos, that I uploaded in my previous post, and I didn't see any girls at all there, only gay guys.

I know the Russian clubs that you are thinking of, that is in Pattaya Walking Street and they are not good. Sure, some of the Russian girls are good looking but you better avoid them. The Russian girls in Pattaya are known to be rip off girls so not worth it to bother at all about them.[/QUOTE]Yes, I meant WS in Pattaya. And thank you for the inputs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2297354]Unless you get them from Tinder.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information, I didn't know that. It's good to know!

There are 2 bars with girls near Jomtien Walking Street. Kit Kat Lounge Club which is pretty much right there and Passion G Club which is about a 5 minute walk. Passion is more hands on and more girls. Both bars very inconsistent talent wise.

[QUOTE=Bdonkadonk;2297349]You must mean Walking Street in Pattaya and not Walking Street in Jomtien. I live in Jomtien and usually never visit Jomtien Walking Street because it is all gay there. Yesterday I made an exception and went there just to take some photos, that I uploaded in my previous post, and I didn't see any girls at all there, only gay guys.

I know the Russian clubs that you are thinking of, that is in Pattaya Walking Street and they are not good. Sure, some of the Russian girls are good looking but you better avoid them. The Russian girls in Pattaya are known to be rip off girls so not worth it to bother at all about them.[/QUOTE]I tried one Russian club out, Eden Club along WS. An attractive girl (8 plus) outside talks you into going in, then she hands you off to a girl or two that are waiting inside. Of the two, I thought one was attractive though older (7) and the other not so attractive (5 tops). Drinks are expensive, and there isn't really any energy in the place. The on stage girl dancing was flat out not attractive at all. Mine was a very short visit. Later I heard those ask very high prices, like 6000 baht plus. If true, not worth it if they are legit, a disaster if they are just rip off girls. In Phuket I heard a horror story about a Swedish guy that was ripped off by one.

In addition: Thank you to those that answered my question about taking a freelancer for a week or so. So far, she has texted me almost everyday with stickers or photos and as of yet has not asked me for money. So she either likes me, will ask for money sometime, or wants to keep in touch until my next visit which I told her might not be for months.

[QUOTE=Generalm;2297786]I tried one Russian club out, Eden Club along WS. An attractive girl (8 plus) outside talks you into going in, then she hands you off to a girl or two that are waiting inside. Of the two, I thought one was attractive though older (7) and the other not so attractive (5 tops). Drinks are expensive, and there isn't really any energy in the place. The on stage girl dancing was flat out not attractive at all. Mine was a very short visit. Later I heard those ask very high prices, like 6000 baht plus. If true, not worth it if they are legit, a disaster if they are just rip off girls. In Phuket I heard a horror story about a Swedish guy that was ripped off by one.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your information about the Russian club that you visited. 6000 Baht and even more is too much and especially if you might get a bad servcice for what you are paying. I was once myselt in one of those Russian clubs in WS and I got in there because I saw a busty young lady standing outside so I got curious about her. I watched her on stage and she didn't even take off her top while doing her dance routine. I asked her about prices and she said that a private show would be 3000 Baht and a private show where she will take off her clothes would be 5000 Baht. In the 5000 Baht show I would be allowed to touch her boobs but she would not give me a handjob, I would have to do that myself. That sounded just rip off expensive and boring to me so I left the club and decided to never again bother about any of those Russian clubs. I mean, for me to jerk off myself I could just as well watch some porn and save that 5000 Baht.

[QUOTE=Generalm;2297786]I tried one Russian club out, Eden Club along WS. An attractive girl (8 plus) outside talks you into going in, then she hands you off to a girl or two that are waiting inside. Of the two, I thought one was attractive though older (7) and the other not so attractive (5 tops).[/QUOTE]I think the whole idea behind the thing is the white skin, not the age or attractiveness of them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2298014]I think the whole idea behind the thing is the white skin, not the age or attractiveness of them.[/QUOTE]This might be true for inexperienced Asian guys that have never had a white girl, but I don't think it holds water for Farangs accustomed to shagging white girls or knowledgeable, well travelled NE Asians that have shagged their fair share of white girls. Personally, I have never seen a "Russian" pro in Pattaya on walking street or in BKK that I thought was above a 6. Most looked like 5's at best. But note, I am not talking about Russian tourist girls. They are another story. So, my advice to all newbies who think they want to sample a "Russian" girl in Thailand for money is to fuhgeddaboudit. Thai girls are better looking and are much less likely to try to rip you off.

But when I was in Macau last November in Familia Nobre, I saw a tall, blond, well endowed, natural breasted, thin Ukrainian girl in their lineup. She was nothing short of spectacular IMHO. Easily 9* and as good looking as some of the better looking MPL & Met Art internet soft porn girls. She smiled at me as I looked over the 50 some girls in the lineup. For the 1st time in Asia I was truly tempted by a white girl. 555. Unfortunately Familia Nobre knew her monetary value for sure, especially with well-off Chinese gambler types. Her price was 4500 mop or $556 so I punted and settled, LOL, for a really attractive and still very expensive Chinese "model" girl. But 4 months later I am still impressed with that Ukrainian girl's looks. She was that hot.

PS it is human nature to want what we have never had. I have a particular yearning for a good looking Ethiopian girl. Sadly, based on what I have read in the ISG Ethiopian thread, I am not about to get on a plane and go Addis Ababa any time soon. I think that would be a big letdown. But I still keep my eyes open for one in places like Macau and Singapore. Maybe one day I will find one, but she has to be sexy. 555!

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2298103]This might be true for inexperienced Asian guys that have never had a white girl, but I don't think it holds water for Farangs accustomed to shagging white girls or knowledgeable, well travelled NE Asians that have shagged their fair share of white girls. Personally, I have never seen a "Russian" pro in Pattaya on walking street or in BKK that I thought was above a 6. Most looked like 5's at best. But note, I am not talking about Russian tourist girls. They are another story. So, my advice to all newbies who think they want to sample a "Russian" girl in Thailand for money is to fuhgeddaboudit. Thai girls are better looking and are much less likely to try to rip you off.

But when I was in Macau last November in Familia Nobre, I saw a tall, blond, well endowed, natural breasted, thin Ukrainian girl in their lineup. She was nothing short of spectacular IMHO. Easily 9* and as good looking as some of the better looking MPL & Met Art internet soft porn girls. She smiled at me as I looked over the 50 some girls in the lineup. For the 1st time in Asia I was truly tempted by a white girl. 555. Unfortunately Familia Nobre knew her monetary value for sure, especially with well-off Chinese gambler types. Her price was 4500 mop or $556 so I punted and settled, LOL, for a really attractive and still very expensive Chinese "model" girl. But 4 months later I am still impressed with that Ukrainian girl's looks. She was that hot.

PS it is human nature to want what we have never had. I have a particular yearning for a good looking Ethiopian girl. Sadly, based on what I have read in the ISG Ethiopian thread, I am not about to get on a plane and go Addis Ababa any time soon. I think that would be a big letdown. But I still keep my eyes open for one in places like Macau and Singapore. Maybe one day I will find one, but she has to be sexy. 555![/QUOTE]Totally with you here, Natty. I've had most of a lifetime of white girls in the wasteland, and at this point have no interest whatsoever in them. Besides, why in the world would one travel to the other side of the planet to the land of almond-skinned sweeties to spend far too much money for a white girl? Seems quite crazy to me.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2298142]Totally with you here, Natty. I've had most of a lifetime of white girls in the wasteland, and at this point have no interest whatsoever in them. Besides, why in the world would one travel to the other side of the planet to the land of almond-skinned sweeties to spend far too much money for a white girl? Seems quite crazy to me.[/QUOTE]Indeed. I admit to a fantasy with a buxom Middle Eastern or East Indian girl but have no desire to go there. I suppose there are many in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2298142]Totally with you here, Natty. I've had most of a lifetime of white girls in the wasteland, and at this point have no interest whatsoever in them. Besides, why in the world would one travel to the other side of the planet to the land of almond-skinned sweeties to spend far too much money for a white girl? Seems quite crazy to me.[/QUOTE]Then you are probably not Indian or Arab. Remember there are mongers from all over the world here.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2298142]Totally with you here, Natty. I've had most of a lifetime of white girls in the wasteland, and at this point have no interest whatsoever in them. Besides, why in the world would one travel to the other side of the planet to the land of almond-skinned sweeties to spend far too much money for a white girl? Seems quite crazy to me.[/QUOTE]I have some great memories of my times in Russia just after the collapse of the Soviet system. That's why I checked out one of the Russian clubs on WS. Ya know, I might have paid up for the right one, just for some variety. I might have stayed longer if their was some energy or more attractive girls. However the Russians really didn't compete well with the Asian talent, especially at 2 to 4 times the price. This club had clumsy girls from Siberia (I chatted up with one), several were chunky, and they clopped around on heels like jr high schools girls at their first formal dance. If they had some elegant Moscow girls, the ones that just ooze with sexiness, yea, I would do one for variety.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2298014]I think the whole idea behind the thing is the white skin, not the age or attractiveness of them.[/QUOTE]Yes, I must admit. During my college years in USA I had a white girlfriend who was considered plain Jane by my American friends. But to me she was more than attractive. We parted ways after college and have not met again. That parts of me still wonder about her and I suppose that explains why I always have a soft spot in my heart for white girl. However, my best experience (and price) with white girls are actually in the UAE and, of all places, southern California, USA. You can find plenty of info just RTFF in Dubai forum. The info in California is a bit more work but they are also available thru RTFF.

[QUOTE=NguyetLang;2298217]...my best experience (and price) with white girls are actually in the UAE and, of all places, southern California, USA. You can find plenty of info just RTFF in Dubai forum. The info in California is a bit more work but they are also available thru RTFF.[/QUOTE]For white girls, I don't think anything can beat Germany on the price. You can have a basic session for 50 Euros, and there are ton of Eastern European girls working there.

You see some cute blonds and sometimes so so Asian guys. I know some are European or overseas expats.

Either the guy has a good game or money, I don't know. But most of guys with similar looks tend to be chasing local skirts and not willing to give Barbie her desired level of attention.

[QUOTE=NguyetLang;2298217]Yes, I must admit. During my college years in USA I had a white girlfriend who was considered plain Jane by my American friends. But to me she was more than attractive. We parted ways after college and have not met again. That parts of me still wonder about her and I suppose that explains why I always have a soft spot in my heart for white girl. However, my best experience (and price) with white girls are actually in the UAE and, of all places, southern California, USA. You can find plenty of info just RTFF in Dubai forum. The info in California is a bit more work but they are also available thru RTFF.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2298223]For white girls, I don't think anything can beat Germany on the price. You can have a basic session for 50 Euros, and there are ton of Eastern European girls working there.[/QUOTE]I will say that a number of years ago I visited Oase (FKK outside of Frankfurt) and had a number of white girls, most from Romania. Good experience, but compared to my memories of Thai ladies (and Viets), they simply do not measure up. Part of my negativity might also be due to the white ones I had for decades in the USA: most chunky, didn't smell or taste real good, they have the omnipresent chip on the shoulder (probably because they were American, didn't notice that in Europeans I have been close to), and just were generally forgettable. All of the top gash in my memories were either Thai or Viet. But of course, YMMV.

Hi guys!

I shall be visiting Pattaya this summer with my girlfriend. Which is the best area for finding non-FS or HJ-Only oilies, where I can take her without raising all her antennas? Any MP names / locations would be welcome.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Wimble;2298263]You see some cute blonds and sometimes so so Asian guys. I know some are European or overseas expats.

Either the guy has a good game or money, I don't know. But most of guys with similar looks tend to be chasing local skirts and not willing to give Barbie her desired level of attention.[/QUOTE]I think generally attraction towards the opposite sex is organic; Asian men prefer Asian women and white men prefer white women, for example. That rule applies to me but I like variety.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2298507]I think generally attraction towards the opposite sex is organic; Asian men prefer Asian women and white men prefer white women, for example. That rule applies to me but I like variety.[/QUOTE]I don't think men discriminate. 5555.

Folks,

Have visited Pattaya twice but never tried anal sex though. I know this topic is already discussed but couldn't find those posts. Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room. Thanks in advance folks. Keep Banging safe. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2298507]I think generally attraction towards the opposite sex is organic; Asian men prefer Asian women and white men prefer white women, for example. That rule applies to me but I like variety.[/QUOTE]Certainly not the case for me. I am northern Euro stock and they are my least favorite women. Give me a petite Viet or a nice Latina any day. And Ro-girls that run to the darker shades work just fine as well! But no Nordic babes for me please.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2298513]I don't think men discriminate. 5555.[/QUOTE]Most men are dogs. They may have their preferences & loyalties, but in a pinch they will fuck almost anything that breathes and women know that. LOL.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2298554]Certainly not the case for me. I am northern Euro stock and they are my least favorite women. Give me a petite Viet or a nice Latina any day. And Ro-girls that run to the darker shades work just fine as well! But no Nordic babes for me please.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I am Caucasian and I haven't fucked a western girl for almost 20 years. I can not stand their attitude and prefer Asian women.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2298586]Most men are dogs. They may have their preferences & loyalties, but in a pinch they will fuck almost anything that breathes and women know that. LOL.[/QUOTE]You are correct, being in Thailand you just described, in general, a Thai man (aka Soi dog) to a T.

[QUOTE=MysManiac;2298535]Folks,

Have visited Pattaya twice but never tried anal sex though. I know this topic is already discussed but couldn't find those posts. Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room. Thanks in advance folks. Keep Banging safe. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Just ask before you bring her to your room. Settle all details before going to your room. These girls have heard everything, so don't be shy but still be respectful in asking.

[QUOTE=MysManiac;2298535]
Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room.[/QUOTE]You need to ask them directly before you take them. Most chicks don't do it. If you wait until you are in the room then 90% of the time you will be disappointed.

I was walking down Soi Lengkee last night and saw a sign that said Nuru Massage so I walked over. There were chicks outside and one rushed over to me while another ran inside and got a pamphlet. They told me that they offer body to body massage for 1500 baht 45 minutes. I told them that I wanted to know about the Nuru. They said Nuru is the 1500 baht deal. They kept trying to get me to take 2 chicks. There was a chick without a uniform on who was the most attractive. They told me that she was also part of the selection. There were prices on the door of normal massages, but they blocked it with their body and told me not to pay attention to that. Either that is left from the last shop, or it is part of their front. I didn't ask if fucking was included, but for 1500 baht and the "body to body" description, I am pretty sure it is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2298790]I was walking down Soi Lengkee last night and saw a sign that said Nuru Massage so I walked over. There were chicks outside and one rushed over to me while another ran inside and got a pamphlet. They told me that they offer body to body massage for 1500 baht 45 minutes. I told them that I wanted to know about the Nuru. They said Nuru is the 1500 baht deal. They kept trying to get me to take 2 chicks. There was a chick without a uniform on who was the most attractive. They told me that she was also part of the selection. There were prices on the door of normal massages, but they blocked it with their body and told me not to pay attention to that. Either that is left from the last shop, or it is part of their front. I didn't ask if fucking was included, but for 1500 baht and the "body to body" description, I am pretty sure it is.[/QUOTE]WTF, Mr. E,

Stop messing around! How do you expect me to see the photos all sideway and upside down? You know that shot you hit straight back to the pitcher mound 100 MPH nearly told my head off ended up spraining my neck avoiding it!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2298790] I didn't ask if fucking was included, but for 1500 baht and the "body to body" description, I am pretty sure it is.[/QUOTE]For what I read on another 2 forums fucking isn't included. Only HJ / BJ seems included. There is a sister shop in Patong Beach (Nanai Road) and FS seems not included also.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;2298795]WTF, Mr. E,

Stop messing around! How do you expect me to see the photos all sideway and upside down? You know that shot you hit straight back to the pitcher mound 100 MPH nearly told my head off ended up spraining my neck avoiding it![/QUOTE]Well shit. They were sideways on my phone. I turned them the right way. Then I posted them here and they came out the wrong way. Can't win with whatever system this website uses.

The other night I went looking for my mamasan at her bar on Soi Lengkee. 10 pm and the bar was closed. I sent her a messsage and she said that she had told me that the place was closing and she was opening up another place. (She said the old place was 35 K per month for 4 floors.) I remembered nothing of the sort, but later my wingman did confirm that she had told me that. So I told her to send me the location of the new place. Pratumnak? WTF? I am not about to drive all the way over there. Then I remembered a friend of mine was having a birthday party at the bar she works at in Made in Thailand, so I headed over there.

The next night I was not doing anything so I decided to pop in to see my mamasan. She had sent the location as The Hideaway Resort. I started my GPS and headed that way. When I got there it was quiet and I saw nothing resembling a bar in sight. I turned my motorbike around and was about to send her a message when she was actually walking in my direction. She had come from 7 Eleven.

She said the new place is a gentlemen's club and it is actually kind of at The Hideaway Resort. But when you enter the hotel breezeway you are actually on the back side of the g-club. On the first floor on that side there are blacked out sliding glass doors that have signs up saying private party. I asked how somebody is supposed to know about this place. She said something about only knowing if they are on the facebook page or whatever.

She gave me a tour and took me out the front door. Ahh there is a sign and everything makes more sense now. She said I probably would not have found it if she would have described it that way though. But anyway they are open from 2 pm to 10 pm. They have an MC Burger buffet on Sundays for 299 baht. Lady drinks are 125 baht.

Upstairs are the private rooms. But they are not bedrooms. They are just big rooms with a few sofas in them. I was asking her how much for the girls and about taking them up, but she was like whatever happens between whoever is their own business. So beats me. I did meet a couple of the girls while I was there last night. Nice. If anyone is familiar with Sky Gallery then it is a couple hundred meters before you get to that.

I visited Blue Olives when it first opened because I liked one of the girls in the photos they used to promote the bar. Figured she'd be worth 1000 baht which I assumed was the cost. She wasn't there. No one else there interested me to ask about pricing. Good thing about this bar is Heaven G club is nearby and Kinnaree is a 30 baht motorbike ride away.

Been meaning to check it out again for the MC​ Burger day.

Bit of a boring day in Pattaya today. I was in the mood for having a few drinks but discovered that all bars are closed today from 6 PM until 6 PM tomorrow. No alcohol is permitted to be sold anywhere so it's not even possible to buy beers from 7-11.

I was told it is because of elections tomorrow and it will be exactly the same next Saturday, from 6 PM until 6 PM Sunday. I haven't been to Soi 6 but everything must be closed there. Walking Street is dead now with no discos or bars open. Luckily massage shops are not affected by this bar ban so at least I was able to get laid in Soi Chaiyapoon before.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2298554]Certainly not the case for me. I am northern Euro stock and they are my least favorite women. Give me a petite Viet or a nice Latina any day. And Ro-girls that run to the darker shades work just fine as well! But no Nordic babes for me please.[/QUOTE]Yep, exactly Steve. I am from North America, and I have no desire for any of that physical type (which are mostly descended from Northern European and Nordic stock). Petite asians and latinas pretty much only.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2298790]I was walking down Soi Lengkee last night and saw a sign that said Nuru Massage so I walked over. There were chicks outside and one rushed over to me while another ran inside and got a pamphlet. They told me that they offer body to body massage for 1500 baht 45 minutes. I told them that I wanted to know about the Nuru. They said Nuru is the 1500 baht deal. They kept trying to get me to take 2 chicks. There was a chick without a uniform on who was the most attractive. They told me that she was also part of the selection. There were prices on the door of normal massages, but they blocked it with their body and told me not to pay attention to that. Either that is left from the last shop, or it is part of their front. I didn't ask if fucking was included, but for 1500 baht and the "body to body" description, I am pretty sure it is.[/QUOTE]I was there last month. Nuru is done on a bed using a hot oil. Lady gives you a standing shower. You then lie face down on bed. Nice normal massage at first with hot oil. Eventually full body nuru sliding on my back. On the flip more body to body and BBBJ. No FS. That's the rule. I tried. My therapists Ann has a nice body for nuru. Good P to P action. She got me off and I left happy and exhausted. Had a great time. Went back again the next day.

[QUOTE=DiveMonger;2298911]Yep, exactly Steve. I am from North America, and I have no desire for any of that physical type (which are mostly descended from Northern European and Nordic stock). Petite asians and latinas pretty much only.[/QUOTE]I knew this guy back in the day, he's Caucasian, he won't touch a non-Caucasian, he just does not like them. He'd only bed Caucasian women. He's good looking and I tried to get him interested in a beautiful American mulatta who'd rejected me. He wanted nothing to do with her. It takes all types, woof woof.

A funny movie from Pattaya, how one Chinese man, was drunk and gave a lot of money to the freelancers girls in the Club. Friends try to stop him. Also a lot of "coyote" walking around. [URL]https://youtu.be/W17cM7401ZA[/URL].

In one month from today I will be back in Pattaya for about 2-1/2 weeks of mongering fun. This will be my ninth trip since my first visit here in 2015. Typically, I have been spending 14 to 17 days in Pattaya, then I meet up with my Thai GF in Bangkok (who knows nothing of my mongering) for ten to 14 days before I return home. I met the girl on Thai Cupid back around 2012 or so. She is 20 years younger than me (I am mid 60's) and claimed to be a virgin. She has been everything she ever claimed to be, and her virginity took me several years of hard work to take away from her. It was not fun, but I expected to be rewarded by intense pleasure once I broke in. Unfortunately, that has not the case, and though she loves to have sex and do sexual things with me, the actual intercourse is not pleasurable and it takes a ton of effort from me to come even two or three times in the two weeks I am with her! With a bar girl I trust (call me stupid) who I will do BB with, I can bring myself to orgasm in 20 to 30 seconds as the feelings, compared to covered sex, are so intense. I only do BB with the GF, but for whatever reason, the wondrous feelings are not there. Last time I couldn't come for a whole week with her, and I was exhausted when I finally did manage to orgasm. It is crazy and I don't understand exactly why. Maybe the same issues that made it so difficult to enter her originally has something to do with it. Even after a few dozen times, she remains tight and she says entering her is still uncomfortable. I wish I could explain it due to my massive size, but alas, I am almost exactly average for a white dude. She has even seen an GYN several times and the doc says all is fine. I really like the girl and I can see myself considering marriage, but I want her to visit the US first and, as we know, it can be difficult for Thai women. Even legit women who were virgins when they turned 40 - to get a visa. In my opinion she has stalled a bit on this, but finally seems to be moving forward and, at the first of the year, she was hoping to be able to come here this spring. I don't think she is deliberately delaying. She has family who wanted to visit the US this April and she was going to apply with them, but they backed out until next year, though she said she would continue with the application. I have not heard if she has, and I have not asked, but it appears she will be too late. I do not want her coming here after April as our touristy places get packed and standing in line in the sun and crowds is not fun.

But. I had told her it was HER turn to come to me, and she agreed. Since by this point I have seen no positive indication she will come this spring, I decided to continue with my semi-annual LOS plans, except that I won't tell her.

Soooo, what will I do differently on this trip? Well, there are two additional women who have come into play. One I may have mentioned here a long time ago is a woman I also met on Thai Cupid back circa 2013, who is also a legit Thai woman, maybe 24 year younger than me, but who is a legit pharmacy tech. She has had a bad history with Thai men and mostly gave men up, not having sex for many years. We have been sort of like pen pals and over the years she has put up with a lot of sexual joking and propositions from me. She takes it from me and chalks it up to me simply being a man, but on rare occasional she will come back with some sexy stuff. I think she is getting lonely for a man and I think the time is ripe for me to finally meet her. I asked if she would meet me and she said yes. I asked if she would stay in my hotel with me as I would only have a weekend with her, and she said yes but that there would be no sex. Fine. I think, though, that in the same bed she might give in to some extent if I play it right. It might only be a HJ or BJ, but even if nothing, I will be ok as I will have just arrived from Pattaya. My main concern is that I will find her unattractive. She is a tiny girl and though she looks ok in most of her pictures, there is one that makes her to appear like an old Asian lady from the country. But that will be ok. She is super nice and caring and I do enjoy texting her, and I don't want to hurt her or make her think I am ready to marry her. 48 to 60 hours with her will be doable regardless.

And. 4 or 5 years ago I met a pretty mainland Chinese girl on a cruise. She was employed by the cruise line so no possibility of anything sexual, but I thought she was really cute and I got to talk to her a couple times and I left her my email. To my surprise, she wrote me back and we met off ship one time for about a hour or so before she started on Asian cruises. This girl is about 35 years younger than me! (Am I insane? We have continued, sporadically, to text each other and she said it would be her honor to show me around China if I was ever there when she had time off. Why she offered that I have no idea. Just being friendly, not thinking I would take her up on the offer? Well, I mentioned I had been to Phuket, a port she has visited often, and she repeated her offer to me just last year. So, this year, I have taken her up on the offer and we have planned to meet in China in May and travel a bit! I keep thinking she will back down, but so far it is a go! This is a girl who, while not beautiful, has that girl next door, nerdy, slender look that I find hot! Haha But I see no hints from her that there will be anything sexual involved but. Why would a girl under 30 want to travel in her home country with a man at least 35 years older that her with her not wondering if the guy will be demanding sex?? Are her motives pure and innocent, or is the hoping to get "something" out of me? This question has been bugging me. I would be ok if she hit me up for pay to play, as I would love to play with her! But when I asked her what expectation she had from me, she said she had none. She said she liked to travel on her time off and if not with me it would be with some other man, or woman. So, I don't know. As with the Thai girl, I am willing to see what happens. Worst case I should get a nice tour with a local girl, best case I will find heaven on Earth.

Sooooo, unless the Thai GF surprises me with a visa, I should have fun times in Pattaya (with some blue days tossed in in), have a chance to meet a friend for possibly some GFE, then my first trip to China to see a sweet young thing I met on a cruise who I have lusted after for a few years and thought was lost to me by age and distance. Who knows what may happen with her, though I would not be too surprised if she cancels.

Interesting times are approaching.

[QUOTE=StLouisMo2010;2295128]I ran across an "outcall massage" service on the internet offering oil massage 600 bt / 60 min, 900 bt / 90 min, 1100 bt / 120 min by attractive young spinners, as per the pictures which they sent along. Anyone have experience / comment and anyone know of the expected fees for extras for such outfits?

I enjoy an outcall to my hotel in the morning and thought this may be a valid process if not a 'bait and switch'. Look forward to feedback, cheers.[/QUOTE]I tried one of these the other day. The girl they sent was not the one I requested, at least she didn't match the picture. She wanted 2 k extra for full service. I sent her on her way with nothing after conversing with the mamasan on the phone. For that price you might as well pay a barfine. At least you get to see the merchandise before you order it.

I lived in China for six years. Consider yourself very fortunate to have the invitation to travel with a local within China. It will be a totally different experience from being on your own or going with a tour. Chinese consider it an honor to show Laowai their country. And Chinese women in general are far more conservative than Thais or women in many other cultures. Maybe you'll get lucky, but just enjoy the experience for whatever it turns out to be. You're exotic to a Chinese and a new experience for them. I had that a lot, somethings with benefits, sometimes not. Always worth the experience. Like many other places in Asia, age doesn't mean a thing to these folks.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2299321]And. 4 or 5 years ago I met a pretty mainland Chinese girl on a cruise. She was employed by the cruise line so no possibility of anything sexual, but I thought she was really cute and I got to talk to her a couple times and I left her my email. To my surprise, she wrote me back and we met off ship one time for about a hour or so before she started on Asian cruises. This girl is about 35 years younger than me! (Am I insane? We have continued, sporadically, to text each other and she said it would be her honor to show me around China if I was ever there when she had time off. Why she offered that I have no idea. Just being friendly, not thinking I would take her up on the offer? Well, I mentioned I had been to Phuket, a port she has visited often, and she repeated her offer to me just last year. So, this year, I have taken her up on the offer and we have planned to meet in China in May and travel a bit! I keep thinking she will back down, but so far it is a go! This is a girl who, while not beautiful, has that girl next door, nerdy, slender look that I find hot! Haha But I see no hints from her that there will be anything sexual involved but. Why would a girl under 30 want to travel in her home country with a man at least 35 years older that her with her not wondering if the guy will be demanding sex?? Are her motives pure and innocent, or is the hoping to get "something" out of me? This question has been bugging me. I would be ok if she hit me up for pay to play, as I would love to play with her! But when I asked her what expectation she had from me, she said she had none. She said she liked to travel on her time off and if not with me it would be with some other man, or woman. So, I don't know. As with the Thai girl, I am willing to see what happens. Worst case I should get a nice tour with a local girl, best case I will find heaven on Earth.
[/QUOTE]I have worked off and on in China for years and have traveled around China with several different Chinese female "friends". My advice is that you will enjoy the trip and have a good time and there is a good chance you will have sex if you treat her nice. Chinese women like to travel with foreign men because we stay in nicer places than Chinese normally stay at, and we are usually 1000% better behaved than Chinese men. So if you treat her nice don't be surprised if in a couple of days you are sharing the same bed. Just don't expect sex the first couple of nights. One thing you should be aware of is that the concept of leisurely travel is foreign to the Chinese, they are used to a schedule where they cram a lot of activities into a single day. SP be prepared and have fun.

[QUOTE=AggieDad1;2299583]I have worked off and on in China for years and have traveled around China with several different Chinese female "friends". My advice is that you will enjoy the trip and have a good time and there is a good chance you will have sex if you treat her nice. Chinese women like to travel with foreign men because we stay in nicer places than Chinese normally stay at, and we are usually 1000% better behaved than Chinese men. So if you treat her nice don't be surprised if in a couple of days you are sharing the same bed. Just don't expect sex the first couple of nights. One thing you should be aware of is that the concept of leisurely travel is foreign to the Chinese, they are used to a schedule where they cram a lot of activities into a single day. SP be prepared and have fun.[/QUOTE]FL Hawk,

I have traveled quite a bit in China, and have to 100% agree with the points made by Aggie and USexpat. These have also been my experiences. Don't push it, and be prepared for what might be a somewhat exhausting schedule. Do a little research and suggest some places you would like to visit, better if you can surreptitiously find out what she really likes and play a bit dumb in requesting that as well LOL You know the game! Have a great time. I vastly prefer what you will be doing to my normal mongering, but I do not have the significantly larger amount of time required to be put in for good outcomes. China is an amazing place, and once you get to places that are less frequented by laowei you will find that you are quite the center of attention (she will also be respected by having 'snagged' a foreign gentleman, especially an older one; the thing I like best about China is that they have respect and what appears to be real preference for us older guys. I am also in my mid-60's).

So enjoy and have a great time. Let us know here what went down.

[QUOTE=MysManiac;2298535]Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room.[/QUOTE][I]Definitely[/I] ask her upfront, before agreeing to take her.

Even among the girls who would accept anal, it's not part of the standard package, most would rather avoid it if they could. Once she's in your room, she has very little incentive to accept. So, don't be shy, ask upfront, before you agree to go with her. If she's not shy to ask discuss money, you shouldn't be shy to discuss what she needs to deliver to earn it. Pattaya girls have heard it all before.

[QUOTE=MysManiac;2298535]Folks,

Have visited Pattaya twice but never tried anal sex though. I know this topic is already discussed but couldn't find those posts. Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room. Thanks in advance folks. Keep Banging safe. Cheers.[/QUOTE]I generally start off saying: "I'm looking for a lady that does everything". Most girls will get the message. If they don't get it, just cut right to the chase and ask.

[QUOTE=MysManiac;2298535]Have visited Pattaya twice but never tried anal sex though. I know this topic is already discussed but couldn't find those posts. Wanted to know how you guys approach ladies for anal sex. Do you ask her right on her face or do you deal with her once she is in your room.[/QUOTE]You better ask before you take her. Just say I want to fuck your ass. She will say ok or say you can not fuck her ass or tell you to get ladyboy. Then depending on where your are (bar, street, wherever) ask her to show you a LADY that can fuck ass. Simple.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2299820][I]Definitely[/I] ask her upfront, before agreeing to take her.

Even among the girls who would accept anal, it's not part of the standard package, most would rather avoid it if they could. Once she's in your room, she has very little incentive to accept. So, don't be shy, ask upfront, before you agree to go with her. If she's not shy to ask discuss money, you shouldn't be shy to discuss what she needs to deliver to earn it. Pattaya girls have heard it all before.[/QUOTE]I think anal sex is often an iffy kind of thing, even for Thai ladies who do it. They say maybe they will have anal sex with you, if your cock isn't too big. And of course, they don't know how big your cock is, until they see your full erection in the private room with you.

I think a lot fewer ladies will say 'yes' to you, when you ask them upfront. If you want to get that iffy lady, whose nice ass you really like, then you need to show her that you are a gentle guy and you won't hurt her. Because it's not really about the size of your cock. It's about how you do it.

And there is plenty you can do to persuade the lady, once she is in your room.

The first thing you need to do is persuade her that you won't hurt her ass with your cock. So, don't just ask her for anal, especially when she is concerned about the size of your cock. Ask her for cowgirl anal. In cowgirl anal, you lie on your back, and the lady takes your cock with her ass cowgirl style. The lady is on top. She controls the action. So, she feels a lot more secure and sure that nothing bad will happen to her.

Cowgirl anal is the position to start from, when the lady isn't sure about having anal sex with you. Because the girl is in control. You only provide your cock for her. She does the rest. And once the lady gets her ass going in a cowgirl anal ride with you, then you can start thrusting your cock inside her ass from below and eventually change your sex-position with her and do it doggy or some other position. And of course, you need to pay attention to the lady and stop if she asks you to. Because for you it might be pleasure, but for her it might be pain. And pain is often a sign of injury. That's why you need to stop.

And another thing you can do to persuade the lady in your room is offer her more money for anal-sex, than she normally gets for pussy-sex.

More money and cowgirl-anal to start with. This is the way to improve your chances with iffy ladies, who have anal sex only sometimes with some guys.

Thanks to Dive Monger, Aggie and USexpat regarding my Chinese girl. I certainly won't push anything. That is not my style. She did tell me that she wants to find someone who is nice and will treat her with respect. I replied that I was nice and respectful, but she replied with "You are a good friend"! Haha I may be in the friend zone but, being about 35 years older than her, that is ok. I will go see her hoping for awesome sex by the end but expecting only to spend some touristy time with a super cute tour guide who will be sleeping 4 feet away from me. I have wanted to visit China anyway, and having a cute native girl half my age is a great way to do it! If I can be the exotic one who is viewed as a catch, then ok! Haha But not sure how true that is in the large, international cities. But it would help to partially answer the question of why his young, pretty woman is so willing to hang out with me.

But, my apologies for discussing this upcoming visit on a Pattaya forum. I will move it over to a Chinese board as necessary, but any resulting trip report from May will be announced here.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300093]And there is plenty you can do to persuade the lady, once she is in your room.[/QUOTE]And the chances of this are less than 1%. If a chick has been through hundreds of guys and never done anal, a short time punter is not going to persuade her to do anal all of a sudden after getting to the room. As has been said before, if you are looking for something other than straight sex, then you need to make it known and come to an agreement beforehand.

New Police chief in Pattaya. Anyone have any insight if this is a good or bad thing for walking street, soi 6, beach road, etc?

[QUOTE=FLHawk;2299321]... She has been everything she ever claimed to be, and her virginity took me several years of hard work to take away from her. It was not fun, but I expected to be rewarded by intense pleasure once I broke in. Unfortunately, that has not the case, and though she loves to have sex and do sexual things with me, the actual intercourse is not pleasurable and it takes a ton of effort from me to come even two or three times in the two weeks I am with her! With a bar girl I trust (call me stupid) who I will do BB with, I can bring myself to orgasm in 20 to 30 seconds as the feelings, compared to covered sex, are so intense. I only do BB with the GF, but for whatever reason, the wondrous feelings are not there. Last time I couldn't come for a whole week with her, and I was exhausted when I finally did manage to orgasm. It is crazy and I don't understand exactly why. Maybe the same issues that made it so difficult to enter her originally has something to do with it. Even after a few dozen times, she remains tight and she says entering her is still uncomfortable. I wish I could explain it due to my massive size, but alas, I am almost exactly average for a white dude. She has even seen an GYN several times and the doc says all is fine ...[/QUOTE]I wrote a response to your post just before the forum went down for some days and my post was published but somehow got lost during the crash. It's irritating when posts just disappear like that but I will try again to write a response.

It's interesting to read about your adventures and your upcoming trips seems like something to look forward to. But when I read about your Thai girlfriend I get so puzzled to why sex with her is something so difficult and why she is feeling uncomfortable when you are entering her. Maybe the answer is too hard to understand and you just will have to accept the situation and that penetrating sex is just a problem. My thoughts about this is if you have considered to skip the penetrating sex, since it is such a big problem, and do other things instead? There are many more things that you can do instead and you can for example have handjobs and blowjobs and kissing. To me it seems like the best thing to do, to just forget about penetrating sex and do other things. Your girlfriend will most likely also see it as a relief to not go through all the feelings of discomfort from the sex. Another thought, have you tried with lube? I suppose that you have but using even a bit more lube than you normally do might make a difference.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2300127]New Police chief in Pattaya. Anyone have any insight if this is a good or bad thing for walking street, soi 6, beach road, etc?[/QUOTE]In all the years I've been here, a number of replacements including the Mayor and it is all the same. They come out with a bang or indicate a bang then it is the same old stuff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300115]And the chances of this are less than 1%. If a chick has been through hundreds of guys and never done anal, a short time punter is not going to persuade her to do anal all of a sudden after getting to the room. As has been said before, if you are looking for something other than straight sex, then you need to make it known and come to an agreement beforehand.[/QUOTE]In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.

But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.

The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.

And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.

Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".

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Sexual experience makes women more sexually adventurous, rather than less. It works like this for guys too. A virgin guy probably wouldn't be asking for anal right away. But a guy, who has slept around with women, might eventually want to try anal with some lady.

In my experience, a Thai girl is only likely to say yes to anal either towards the end of her career (like Angela White) or if she has gone without a gig for too long or if she really enjoys it (and likes you). In all three instances, the smaller the dick the better the chances. Hurts less. I have never met a young, beautiful Thai saying yes to anal instantly. Unless it's an illegal service flat on Edgware Road in London.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300376]In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.

But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.

The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.

And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.

Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".

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Sexual experience makes women more sexually adventurous, rather than less. It works like this for guys too. A virgin guy probably wouldn't be asking for anal right away. But a guy, who has slept around with women, might eventually want to try anal with some lady.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2300395]In my experience, a Thai girl is only likely to say yes to anal either towards the end of her career (like Angela White) or if she has gone without a gig for too long or if she really enjoys it (and likes you). In all three instances, the smaller the dick the better the chances. Hurts less. I have never met a young, beautiful Thai saying yes to anal instantly. Unless it's an illegal service flat on Edgware Road in London.

Happy mongering![/QUOTE]I think it's a false stereotype that young hot ladies don't do anal with guys.

Because women who have anal sex in porn aren't any older or any less attractive, than pussy-only ladies. And you can say the same thing about Thai women at a place like Cherry Massage. You can check out the A+ ladies at the link below. I think they are just as young and as good-looking as the ladies who aren't A+.

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I've also checked out ladies at [URL]https://smooci.com/[/URL] who work in Bangkok. I found some A-Level ladies there, and some of them are really hot. An A-Level lady by the name of Jubilee is someone to check out there. Other A-Level beautiful Thai ladies are: Piper, Lisa, Muna, Hillary, Tanxxx, Pen, and Lusaka.

"In my experience" is not stereotyping. Even at Devils Den the A-level girls are usually older or uglier or both.

Many who advertise "A-level inclusive" will ask you for extra money when it comes to it. Again, in my experience. But I should have added the money caveat too. My bad.

I will definitely try your suggestions the next time I am in TL.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300406]I think it's a false stereotype that young hot ladies don't do anal with guys.

Because women who have anal sex in porn aren't any older or any less attractive, than pussy-only ladies. And you can say the same thing about Thai women at a place like Cherry Massage. You can check out the A+ ladies at the link below. I think they are just as young and as good-looking as the ladies who aren't A+.

[URL]https://cherrymassagebkk.com/massage-ladies/[/URL]

I've also checked out ladies at [URL]https://smooci.com/[/URL] who work in Bangkok. I found some A-Level ladies there, and some of them are really hot. An A-Level lady by the name of Jubilee is someone to check out there. Other A-Level beautiful Thai ladies are: Piper, Lisa, Muna, Hillary, Tanxxx, Pen, and Lusaka.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kamsutra69;2300419]"In my experience" is not stereotyping. Even at Devils Den the A-level girls are usually older or uglier or both.

Many who advertise "A-level inclusive" will ask you for extra money when it comes to it. Again, in my experience. But I should have added the money caveat too. My bad.

I will definitely try your suggestions the next time I am in TL.[/QUOTE]I haven't been at Devil's Den, but I suspect that A-level ladies there don't get any extra pay. And that's the problem.

If you make pay the same for pussy and for anal sex, then of course, mostly ugly chicks will go for anal dicks. Perhaps this is where your experience comes from.

In porn, it's standard practice to give women more money for anal-sex than for pussy-sex. And from what I understand, women get paid even more for double-penetration. That's why hot women go for anal with guys in porn.

Thai P4P women aren't any different in this regard. They also have sex for money, just like porn-stars. And they also want extra money to do anal with guys. And if you don't do it like that, then you end up with your kind of experience, where only ugly chicks play around with anal dicks.

More pay for anal is the key to make anal ladies just as good-looking as pussy-only ladies.

That's why I say that you need to start with offering more money for anal to the lady in the same breath as you mention anal. Or else she might think that you want to take her ass for the same money as pussy-sex, and she might say "No" to you just for this reason alone.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300376]The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.[/QUOTE]We are talking about P4 P, not a mating game. If I want something special then I am going to make it known and agreed upon upfront. How the hell can you accept a maybe for something you are paying for? When you paid the airline and told them you wanted to go to Bangkok, did they tell you maybe?

Why would you try to work out a services deal after you have gotten to the room? That is like waiting until the waiter has brought you fried chicken and you spring on him that you want it baked. Then he tells you the oven is broken and you end up paying for something you did not want. It saves everyone time, trouble, and disappointment when you specify what you want upfront instead of hoping she will agree to it once in the room.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300376]In an extreme case such as the one you describe, your chances of getting the lady to have anal sex with you are poor indeed.

But a lot of ladies have occasional anal sex with some guys, depending on how they feel about themselves and their guy. And with such iffy ladies, you can either ruin your chances or improve them a lot, depending on your approach with the lady.

The thing to remember is that the lady doesn't always say either "Yes" or "No", when you ask her about anal sex. Sometimes ladies say 'Maybe'. They will do it only sometimes with some guys, but not in other times and not with other guys.

And if you look at ladies who have sex for money in porn, then you will see that even ladies who have had pussy-only sex for a long time, might eventually start having anal sex too. A good example of this is a porn-star by the name of Angela White.

Angela White started performing in porn in 2003. She did it pussy-only until 2014. But then in 2014, she started having anal sex with guys. And now she is regularly performing in anal films with titles such as "Bubble Butt Anal S l u t s 4" and "Anal Extremists".y.[/QUOTE]You gave an extremely bad example. Angela White had to do that to stay in the business which is the same when a freelancer gets old or is offered a lot of money. If she makes it back to the hotel without negotiating prior, leverage is lost, and time is wasted.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300427]I haven't been at Devil's Den, but I suspect that A-level ladies there don't get any extra pay. And that's the problem.

If you make pay the same for pussy and for anal sex, then of course, mostly ugly chicks will go for anal dicks. Perhaps this is where your experience comes from.

In porn, it's standard practice to give women more money for anal-sex than for pussy-sex. And from what I understand, women get paid even more for double-penetration. That's why hot women go for anal with guys in porn.

Thai P4P women aren't any different in this regard. They also have sex for money, just like porn-stars. And they also want extra money to do anal with guys. And if you don't do it like that, then you end up with your kind of experience, where only ugly chicks play around with anal dicks.

More pay for anal is the key to make anal ladies just as good-looking as pussy-only ladies.

That's why I say that you need to start with offering more money for anal to the lady in the same breath as you mention anal. Or else she might think that you want to take her ass for the same money as pussy-sex, and she might say "No" to you just for this reason alone.[/QUOTE]This lacks logic. The difference is a freelancer can just move onto the next guy. Any extra money is marginal to a freelancer who hasn't done anal or dislikes it. There are freelancers who are less inhibited and / or more troubled who do anal which there are plenty of. But still have to negotiate up front. Going for a "maybe" or not setting expectations is a total. Newbie move.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2300528]This lacks logic. The difference is a freelancer can just move onto the next guy. Any extra money is marginal to a freelancer who hasn't done anal or dislikes it. There are freelancers who are less inhibited and / or more troubled who do anal which there are plenty of. But still have to negotiate up front. Going for a "maybe" or not setting expectations is a total. Newbie move.[/QUOTE]I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.

It has to be like this, because any extra pay from only one customer and only one time is a relatively small amount of money in the larger scheme of things. It becomes a substantial amount of money only if the A-level lady gets extra pay every time and with every customer.

The porn industry has already proven that this idea works. The ladies who do anal in porn are just as good-looking, if not more so, than pussy-only ladies. And in porn it's standard practice to pay women 1.5 times more for anal, than for pussy sex. They've been doing this for decades.

I'm not talking about some new and untested idea. This is standard practice in porn, and you can see for yourself that it works.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300780]I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.[/QUOTE]Dude what are you talking about? Isn't anal included in the price at DD? There are chicks that do it and there are chicks that don't do it. But there is no added cost. That is the same way I manage my P4P. I don't pay a la carte or extra. If she does an act then she does it, but I am not running up my bill trying to coax someone into doing something. I have fucked tons of chicks in the ass, I have skeeted in tons of chicks' mouths, I have filmed and taken pictures of tons of chicks without paying extra. And maybe I don't because having done those acts plenty of times, there is no big deal in it for me to be paying extra or begging for it.

P. S. There are chicks that would not do some things with a certain guy for all the money in the world. That same chick will do all of the above things with another guy for free. Your Mileage May Vary. There is no getting extra pay from every guy every time.

[QUOTE=Dan7373;2300780]I agree that extra money only one time and only from one guy isn't enough to persuade ladies to do this kind of stuff. It will work only if she gets extra pay every time and from every guy. Which is possible to do at an establishment like Devil's Den.

It has to be like this, because any extra pay from only one customer and only one time is a relatively small amount of money in the larger scheme of things. It becomes a substantial amount of money only if the A-level lady gets extra pay every time and with every customer.

The porn industry has already proven that this idea works. The ladies who do anal in porn are just as good-looking, if not more so, than pussy-only ladies. And in porn it's standard practice to pay women 1.5 times more for anal, than for pussy sex. They've been doing this for decades.

I'm not talking about some new and untested idea. This is standard practice in porn, and you can see for yourself that it works.[/QUOTE]Except this isn't porn in that the porn industry almost demands anal to be relevant. In the real world, there are Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy. Which leads to, not every customer will demand A-level service. Go to Thermae and poll how many women there will do A-level. You can see for yourself, right?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2300784]Dude what are you talking about? Isn't anal included in the price at DD? There are chicks that do it and there are chicks that don't do it. But there is no added cost. That is the same way I manage my P4P. I don't pay a la carte or extra. If she does an act then she does it, but I am not running up my bill trying to coax someone into doing something. I have fucked tons of chicks in the ass, I have skeeted in tons of chicks' mouths, I have filmed and taken pictures of tons of chicks without paying extra. And maybe I don't because having done those acts plenty of times, there is no big deal in it for me to be paying extra or begging for it.

P. S. There are chicks that would not do some things with a certain guy for all the money in the world. That same chick will do all of the above things with another guy for free. Your Mileage May Vary. There is no getting extra pay from every guy every time.[/QUOTE]Agree Mr. E. I have not paid for any extras and I usually go with the flow. Most chicks will let you finish in the mouth and anal isn't a big thing with me, if I get I take it but if their backdoor is sacred grounds so be it. I do what I do and unless it is covering up for a blow job if the girl says no then I get on with it. The only extra I may give is a taxi fare if they stay overnight and they have pleased me.

[QUOTE=MeatMan;2299823]I generally start off saying: "I'm looking for a lady that does everything". Most girls will get the message. If they don't get it, just cut right to the chase and ask.[/QUOTE]That's so silly. What's "everything"? Double fisting? Bukkake with 30 guys? People have all sorts of weird fetishes, nobody in this world does "everything", but plenty of working girls will have a definition of "everything" that doesn't even include a BBBJ, let alone anal.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2300917]That's so silly. What's "everything"? Double fisting? Bukkake with 30 guys? People have all sorts of weird fetishes, nobody in this world does "everything", but plenty of working girls will have a definition of "everything" that doesn't even include a BBBJ, let alone anal.[/QUOTE]I would be very specific. The only thing I take for granted is BBBJ and that is probably playing with fire LOL. It is a business transaction and should be treated as one. You would not employ a builder and not specify all your requirements.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2300848]Except this isn't porn in that the porn industry almost demands anal to be relevant. In the real world, there are Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy. Which leads to, not every customer will demand A-level service. Go to Thermae and poll how many women there will do A-level. You can see for yourself, right?[/QUOTE]You make some good points but here is where you failed! " in the real world " where guys like you get this stuff? Have you been reading the board here? " Japanese guys who will pay extra just for pussy " why in the world would you want to step on a race to try to make a point then go to Thermae and poll how many there will do A-level? Don't ask someone to do something you wouldn't do yourself.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2300917]That's so silly. What's "everything"?[/QUOTE]I think it might be a euphemism for anal. I once had an older thai chick in my room who was very compliant. After doing some vaginal sex with her I asked her if she fucked in the ass.

She replied "Yes" then added "I do everything".

[QUOTE=Franga;2301096]I think it might be a euphemism for anal. I once had an older thai chick in my room who was very compliant. After doing some vaginal sex with her I asked her if she fucked in the ass.

She replied "Yes" then added "I do everything".[/QUOTE]I agree that in actual practice that is generally what Thai girls mean by "everything." Anal.

It is not necessarily what customers mean by "everything," though. But you can usually bet that is what the girl means by it.

She might go so far as to say, "everything EXCEPT anal" (her assuming that you probably apply that meaning to it, too). LOL. Now that is the most puzzling answer of all since I have yet to meet a Thai girl whose claim to do "everything" for me automatically includes BBFS+CIP, BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW and may not even include CIM at all.

So, aside from anal and a few relativlely meaningless Cum On finishes, what the hell could she possibly mean by "everything"? Necrophilia? Farm animals?

Not always? In the old days back home, it was " around the world " " Everything is like I take care of you " it can mean something else?

If anal is offered I never turn it down, if the session is going good with chemistry or it is a repeat whenever on doggie I give it the test and start to play with the area if she doesn't push my hand away I lick the thumb and start to slip it in no resistance?

One of my regulars from a massage shop always presented top-notch service worked late night shift could have worked at any Go-Go like the freedom. After a late night out I made it a habit of cruizing by and if she was available we were off I got close but never anal, she would rather offer me bareback which I decline. Thereafter she went to Korea for a year to work when she came back turn into a freelancer and I saw her a few times but she now had become spoiled and service got to be disappointing maybe because she found out I was seeing one of her friends at her old shop. Didn't lie to her told her yes because she does anal and she admitted her friend is a superstar and know to do it regularly with her customers. She was curious I told her I'll break you in if done slowly and correctly you will enjoy it but she declined. After that session, I was pretty much done with her after a year she Line with a bunch of pictures said she misses me etc. That she would do "everything " I replied you sure " everything " she respon yes " everything " followed with french kissing, eating pussy, BBBJ and bareback I said what about your ass? Said still no ass! Bye!

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I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.

I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.

The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya.

I created an account on TF and tried the online approach. I was getting responses until they asked me for my picture. When I sent the picture, all communication ceased. So I'm hitting a wall here.

I'm a friendly guy and made a few acquaintances at the hotel where I stay. They told me to check out a bar named Benelux. So 2 days ago I go there and talk to a nice looking girl and chat her up. She is hesitant to go and she tells me that she needs to think about it and that I should try her tomorrow. I'm convinced this has to do with my Indian origin, so I don't pressure her and continue talking with her for another 10 minutes to manage to convince her to join me for the night. The bar fine was THB 500 and she agreed for THB 1500. I had a good time with her and she was enjoying it too as she was very wet. We got some sleep and had another go at it in the morning. She was very sweet and even got me some cough drops from the nearby store before she left as I was having a mild cough.

So now things were looking up and I was starting to feel optimistic. Today I went to action bar (along with another guy from Sweden who stays at the same hotel as me) and talked up a girl who I fancied. She quoted me THB 5000 for long time. My new Swedish friend agreed with me that this was too high and to not inflate the prices. So I walked away. I went back to Benelux bar. I talked to one of the girls and she said that she was not available for long time. I tried another girl, but got the same response. These girls are standing outside the bar and screaming at passing customers to drum up business. Yet, they don't want to meet with a Indian guy. I've heard horror stories about Indians behaving horribly with the girls, so I don't blame them.

I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.

I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience..[/QUOTE]I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.

I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.

The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya..[/QUOTE]Wish I could give good advise. You may have to give soapies a try as the ladies there are consistent. Probably should stop going after LT too and just stick to ST. Maybe try Soi 6 and doing ST there. The bar girl from Benelux sounds good, so it'd be worth repeating every few days.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US. I initially tried going to the discos on walking st. In Insomnia, most of the girls turned their back to me when I approached them. This was shocking to me, but I did sense a pattern that the Indian crowd here does not have a good reputation with the girls and I'm trying to figure out a way to overcome that. I ended up going to Nashaa and a couple of other Indian clubs on walking st, thinking that the girls would be willing to give Indians a shot. The girls in these clubs quoted high numbers like THB 5000-8000 or I could not approach the girls due to the huge crowd for every girl, so I skipped these and decided to try beach road.

I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.

The next day, I tried the discos yet again but ran into the same problems described earlier, so decided to try my luck again on beach road. I picked up a girl and took her back to my place. I spent a good amount of time talking with her and trying to connect with humor etc When we did get down to the business, it was just mediocre and nothing to write home about. I was just glad to have gotten laid in Pattaya. We got some sleep and again had a mediocre romp in the morning. I paid her THB 2000 for her time, but overall it was sub par for my expectations I had from Pattaya..[/QUOTE]Take a couple of pics and post on your TF profile. So you will get reply from girls who are interested in you. Put into your intro that you are living in US and visiting Pattaya for holidays and this will set you apart from typical Indian crowed. In gogo I would just talk to mamasan and may be even buy HER a drink. This will show her you are a bit different from rest and willing to spend money, which is all they care. And if she believes you have deep enough pockets, she will maker her best girls available for you. And when she makes a girl available for you just be a normal dude. Establish that she is interested I'm being bar fined. Talk to her, buy her a couple of LD and I think you should be OK.

How long you planning to stay in Pattaya? I am landing in bkk on 28th Mar. And will be in Pattaya 4-5 days after. We can team upvif you are interested. Best of luck.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot ....[/QUOTE]Maybe some guy from India will have some good advice for you. I can at least try to help a little and I hope that I can give some small but maybe useful advice to you. It seems like you are starting right off with asking for long time with the girls but I would rather try to start with asking for short time and more girls will go short time rather than long time. If you try a girl ST you can see how things are going with her and then you can ask if she want to go LT with you, either to prolong the session or for another day.

I mean, if you being indian makes the girls feel reluctant to go with you, they can be convinced that you are a good and nice guy from a first short encounter and then be more wiling to go with you for a longer time. Personally I myself love Soi 6 and there is so easy to get laid. My advise would be the same: try a nice girl ST and if you are klicking with her you can ask if she want to go LT with you. There are many girls there that do that and especially towards the ending of their working shift. Bars will lower the barfine also towards the end of the night.

[QUOTE=NewbExcited;2301403]I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]
I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.[/QUOTE]Hey bud, I was in Pattaya in Feb for a week and kicked it with some decent chicks. Wanted to private message you and send you some Line ID's but you can't receive private messages. If you're keen, turn on private messaging under your settings tab, and I'll hook you up.

Surely you jest sir! I think you are trolling here! I have never heard such a pathetic story in my life and I have met some losers. To prove me wrong meet with a fellow board member.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2301576]Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. [/QUOTE]Worst advice I have ever come across on this thread.

We are talking hookers in Thailand here, not Jennifer Lawrence.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2301638]Hey bud, I was in Pattaya in Feb for a week and kicked it with some decent chicks. Wanted to private message you and send you some Line ID's but you can't receive private messages. If you're keen, turn on private messaging under your settings tab, and I'll hook you up.[/QUOTE]I am heading there over next weekend onwards. Can you please send some. PM on. Thanks.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2301576]in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. [/QUOTE]Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2301797]Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.[/QUOTE]I agree to this in general as don't have typical gogo experience but having experience of general Asian establishment, most of the time it is easier to ask mamamsan. In Perth had an experience with a pretty pino girl who had a reputation of hit and miss, spoke to mamasan and the service I got was nothing short of amazing. These girls can't refuse their mamasan, so once she gets involved service improves dramatically.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2301576]Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2301764]Worst advice I have ever come across on this thread.

We are talking hookers in Thailand here, not Jennifer Lawrence.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2301797]Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.[/QUOTE]I think that can depend on the realities regarding ethnic bias and possibly age bias in the country you're mongering in and/or the monger's sexual needs and requirements.

If you are of a more acceptable ethnic origin for the country you're in and only require the most basic level of service, i.e. covered FS but no BBBJ+CIM, no DFK and little of anything else required, then you might as well go for the best looking girl in the joint and negotiate for price only. You'll probably do ok quite often.

That probably goes for many Indians in Thailand, too. Even then, I have lived in Bangkok near Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy for over 6 years, spent many days and nights in Pattaya and I have yet to see an Indian man of any age, level of fitness and attractiveness walking hand in hand with a Thai go-go bar "9" or just walking side-by-side in such a way that it was clear they were on their way to enjoy a ST session at a hotel or apartment. Maybe not even seen one with a strong Thai go-go bar "7.5" or better. I HEAR of it happening. But have not seen it with my own eyes. And I am out and about in the go-go bar areas virtually every day and night. I have seen Indian men with very attractive Indian women. Not seen them with very attractive Thai women.

By the same token, I am not Indian. I am a 65 year old Caucasian. But I require either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM to make any go-go bargirl expenditure worth it to me. Otherwise, I will be spending 4000+ baht to engage in DATY and perhaps some pointless BBBJ as oral foreplay. Not a good idea, imo. I can not engage in sexual pleasure of any kind wearing a condom, will never finish that way.

Therefore, if I routinely focused on or approached Thai go-go bar "9"s or let's say the best looking girls in the joint who are aloof and don't even look my way with a smile, I assure you I will be spending a lot of time with extremely boring conversation, maybe even occasionally creating a rollicking good time for the girl, buying tons of Lady Drinks but ultimately hearing a lot of "NO" to both or either of my sexual requirements in the bar if I am lucky or in the room where it will have cost me a bunch more money to hear it.

Been there, done that enough times in the past and I still give it a go every now and then just to see if there are any changes in the results. There are only the most extraordinarily rare changes in the results. Too rare to even count it as anything but wild random chance. And a very expensive chance to take. If the "9" happens to be beaming a big smile at me as I walk into the bar and take a seat, then we might be talking about a real shot at getting what I need for the money.

I believe both challenges mentioned above, ethnic and sexual demands, require compromises to be made. More and greater compromises than an ethnically acceptable monger with basic, standard demands would ever have to make, imo.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I'm also trying to deal with this conundrum and it's depressing to think that I'm having a hard time getting laid in Pattaya. Any pointers, suggestions to help me get a GFE experience would be welcome.[/QUOTE]I don't believe Thai girls have an inherent racist bias against any nationality but they have concerns based on perceived and let's be honest too often proven correct bad behavioral patterns.

Thai girls who are biased against South Asians have in my opinion three reasons for being so.

Hygiene. Get a good cologne and dress well.

Cheap and perhaps problem with getting paid.. It's not ideal but you may have to offer upfront payment but be as sure as you can that she knows and agrees to what you expect. Also early in the visit to the bar tip the mamasan and buy some drinks.

Difficult customer. Again agree in some detail what you expect in terms of how long she will spend with you and what services you want. Reinforce that you are a good customer. A smile, a sense of humor and a laid back chilled vibe will not go unnoticed.

When these fears are allayed getting laid should be no more difficult for you than anybody else and it will be only a question whether you can attract the attention of the girl you want to spend time with. Here money will not always but usually be key.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2301576]Perhaps it's how you look, dress, hygiene, or carry yourself. You may be going after girls out of your league. There is something for everyone. Just lower your standards a bit. And remember, in the end, it's really they choose you. Not you choose them. That's why there are excuses. As for your pics, you should edit them with those apps that photoshop to make yourself attractive. It's commonly done.[/QUOTE]Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.

I'm pretty sure that the problem is mostly on the punter's attitude rather than the Thai girls not wanting to deal with them. And a big majority of these girls are real trash and they can act like that with any kind of guys, not only with Indians.

I've personally met a lot of attractive girls that had a lot of Indian males in their contact, we read a lot of stories of Indian guys having a very good time over there, so this topic of Indian guys being victim of a big discrimination by Thai people is completely wrong in my opinion (except from some gogo's or bars doormen but I would mostly say that it's done on an economical purpose or from a bad attitude from some customers from these countries before).

In a place like Pattaya we can all meet a lot of people that act or talk inappropriately with us without having to call it discrimination, it's just that the place attracts a lot of *ssh*les, be it Thai or from any origins.

The place you try to interact with them is important, in my experience discos in Pattaya are not a good place to find a girl for a fuck unless you know how to deal with these freelancers but it's not given to every punters.

The best bet in Pattaya for a guy who just want to fuck girls is still soi 6, just go and have a drink in one of the biggest bars without trying to spot the most beautiful girl of the soi, if you see a cute girl there pay her a drink and interract naturally with her, if she doesn't want to go with you just try your luck with another girl or move to another bar and try again. If anyone really want to fuck, it's almost impossible for a new comer to not find a girl there.

If bars are not your thing, then go to gogos, preferably on soi LK than walking street for a new comer.

The most important in any interaction with these girls is your attitude and to be willing to spend at least the going rate.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=NewbExcited;2301403]I am of Indian origin as well. I never had a problem finding a girl when I visited Bangkok and Patayya. Reading your post makes me wonder why you seem to have such a hard time. What you said about Indians may be partially true but it definitely isn't as bad as you made it sound. Wish you better luck.[/QUOTE]Your response gives me hope. I was talking about this with a couple of people who stay at the same hotel as me. One of these had accompanied me to the bar and he mentioned that it might be a good idea to buy the girls a drink even if I only drink Coke / Pepsi. They said that spending money on LD might help to get the girl agree to go with me for LT session. I'll be trying this out in the next few days and will post back.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2301797]Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.[/QUOTE]Not everyone wants to go with the most beautiful girl in the place.

In my first years in Thailand I often fell for the very attractive ones (in discos), and almost always been disappointed ones in the room. Sometimes the disappointment was from her attitude but most of the time it was from her body, baby damages that were hidden or overused pussies.

Nowadays I would give priority to a cute girl than the one that every guys think is pretty.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2301431]Wish I could give good advise. You may have to give soapies a try as the ladies there are consistent. Probably should stop going after LT too and just stick to ST. Maybe try Soi 6 and doing ST there. The bar girl from Benelux sounds good, so it'd be worth repeating every few days.[/QUOTE]I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.

[QUOTE=RobJones;2301732]Surely you jest sir! I think you are trolling here! I have never heard such a pathetic story in my life and I have met some losers. To prove me wrong meet with a fellow board member.[/QUOTE]I understand how ridiculous this sounds and why you might have a hard time believing it. The people who stay at the same place have witnessed my plight and have tried to give me pointers to help me out. I'm definitely not a loser or a troll by any stretch of the imagination. In fact I'm quite pleasant to hang out with.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2301440]Take a couple of pics and post on your TF profile. So you will get reply from girls who are interested in you. Put into your intro that you are living in US and visiting Pattaya for holidays and this will set you apart from typical Indian crowed. In gogo I would just talk to mamasan and may be even buy HER a drink. This will show her you are a bit different from rest and willing to spend money, which is all they care. And if she believes you have deep enough pockets, she will maker her best girls available for you. And when she makes a girl available for you just be a normal dude. Establish that she is interested I'm being bar fined. Talk to her, buy her a couple of LD and I think you should be OK.

How long you planning to stay in Pattaya? I am landing in bkk on 28th Mar. And will be in Pattaya 4-5 days after. We can team upvif you are interested. Best of luck.[/QUOTE]I have an account with TF and have been trying that route. I didn't put up my pics since I would like to not have my pics out on the web due to privacy reasons. I haven't tried the go-go's yet. I'm assuming they are different from the bars? I'll try your suggestion and will buy the mamasan a LD and also buy the lady a few LD's if she is interested in being bar fined. I will post a review after that. I'm in pattaya till April 14, so if it's possible to team up that would be great. I don't have PM since I only have US credit cards.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2301797]Are you implying if there is a 9 on stage at a gogo bar who does not look or smile at you that you are supposed to ignore her for the 5 who doesn't stop smiling or take their eyes off you?

Biggest mistake I see in Pattaya are guys who think a girl is beautiful but don't call her for a lady drink because she's not smiling at him.[/QUOTE]I've gone with both the 9 who doesn't seem to like me and the 5 who does (and a few 4's). More typically I wander from bar to bar until I find a 7+ who does seem to like me, then I buy the lady drink.

I've consistently had a better time with girls that seem to like me than the hotter girls who seem indifferent. I'm a farang in mid 60's.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2301888] Maybe not even seen one with a strong Thai go-go bar "7.5" or better. I HEAR of it happening. But have not seen it with my own eyes. I have seen Indian men with very attractive Indian women. Not seen them with very attractive Thai women.
[/QUOTE]Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.

[QUOTE=Paolo99;2301920]Every time the topics on Indians in Thailand comes out there's someone to advice them to be clean and put clean clothes on. I guess they already figured it out by themselves before coming and asking advises to random guys on the internet.[/QUOTE]You are correct. I was recently in Thailand for 2 weeks visiting usual places. Found it to be great place for mongering. Didn't face any issues of racial bias by girls. Rather I was aghast at the brazen attitude of cheapness shown by my fellow countrymen.

In a gogo place in Phuket, I saw my fellow countrymen coming inside surveying he girls. Instead of buying any drinks for girls, they want to touch the girls. The girl who was with me told me 'you are not like others. ' The girl didn't reject my advances. And I am not even in top 20% of Indians from fitness POV.

It is the same story in Pattaya also. I used app to catch some early bird before venturing into WS and girls responded in kind. Obviously the girls in this profession understand the language of money. However, in WS I found some doormen to be obnoxious. In Fahrenheit, the doorman allowed me inside first night without asking any question. Second night, the same doorman was in and mood to let me in. I had to call the girl whom I barfined previous night to get entry. Once inside I complained immediately to the Mamasan. She said sorry, won't happen to you again. Perhaps the doorman didn't recognise me from previous night, but it happened. In second case, another doorman didn't allow me inside Imagine. He flatly refused saying 'No Indian'. These are the only two cases of anti-Indian bias I faced.

I have similar friendly experiences in Bangkok also. One Mamasan in a Nana Plaza bar was hell bent on forcing me to barfine a girl. Didn't understand what happened there.

Also I found some guys are writing about not seeing 9 Indian with 9 Gogo girl. I found the claim ludicrous. I saw plenty of 9's with Indian of all standards. I saw CIS girls, I saw blacks also. In fact I was with a black in Phuket.

Siamsin, a certain board member disagreed with me when I said I knew Indians capable of getting top girls. A couple of months ago I saw another example of an Indian guy I know picking up who I think is one of the top 5 girls at Palace.

I really like these 2 girls, especially the busty one. Looks like a girl I know at one of the Thai PR bars. Far better than what I see most guys are capable of barfining. Good job.

Trumpers may jump, but this is what it is.

Most big city bred boys from India no longer visit places like Pattaya, AC and such. They either finished those in 90's, or it doesn't fancy them. They prefer more upscale places like SG, HK, Macau, European cities like Prague, Vienna, Barcelona etc. , because many Indians today can easily afford spending upwards of USD $ 1000 a day during their week outing abroad. Also Indians do not travel solo for pleasure, even with families. You would rarely see a single family with 2 kids, rarely. Its usually with friends or sibling families / cousins They mostly travel in minimum 3's /4's or more. That's a cultural thing. This travelling in groups is not most suited for mongering, as we all know. Go to higher end bars and clubs in Macau, HK, SG, DXB and even in BKK, so many Indian men play their PU game you wouldn't even know they are Indians.

Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.

Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes. You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.

For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.

If siamsin hadn't declared that he is Indian origin in his earlier post, but if he had done that after all his enticing reports and pics, I am sure many of you board regulars would have been super shocked. There exists plenty superiority complex and a feeling of entitlement by many in here. Also see frequent bashups on Chinese, Koreans and Japs. Whether its 3 x3 x3 comments, huddle and block or if a Jap pays extra over and beyond to get into a pussy, jst like you would pay for backdoor, they come in tour buses wearing logo hats, eat kimchi, being loud, smelly or whatever, that's them. That's how they are. Just like the way you are. Deal with it or live with it. Shed those biases.

P.S: I have traveled 73 countries and pinned 84 flags on my johnny. I can take feedback and criticism with a smile.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302116]Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.[/QUOTE]Dude you should save your breath and bytes. The naysayers here will tell you that anyone can pick a few photos off the internet and post them here as "my girls". And then go on to write a long story about themselves and their own fetishes and fantasies.

OTOH more power to you, you have done exceedingly well, I like all the pics you have shared.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301926]I'm trying to not let my disappointment frustrate me. So yesterday I decided that if I'm unable to pick up a girl at a bar, I would just go to a MP and release the tension. So I did go to a MP yesterday on the same street as Benelux but a little further down. They charged me 500 for an hour massage and 500 for a HJ. The massage was just for namesake and got a HJ towards the end. I was talking with the girl and after the massage was done, I suggested that I could give her a massage too. She agreed and I actually gave a decent massage for her shoulders, back, legs and feet. She was happy with the massage and was joking that she should pay me for the massage.[/QUOTE]Probably the best thing you could have done as everyone goes through dry spells and the girls can smell desperation from miles away. Get the first few shots out of the way, calm down and get on with enjoying the place.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302116]Ha! Uncle Tooms, it seems I need to let you know when I'm in BKK next time. Bring a decent camera with, so you can take a few snaps when I stroll passed with a 9+ LOL. Seriously though, I get what you're saying and in general that seems to be the case. Didn't notice Much of that on my trip either. However I did see an Indian chap with a beautiful 8 Russian girl in Pattaya, and another Indian chap with a very cute 8 Thai girl at a 7/11 in Pattaya also, nothing of the sort in BKK, but then again I didn't hit the Gogos or Clubs in BKK.

Now I'm also of Indian descent albeit from Africa, so just want to give other Indian punters a bit of comfort in knowing that they can pull just about any girl if they got some game. Personally I had zero discrimination from the ladies, aside from the Thermae 'Asian Only' fan club, but ended up cracking some of them too.

Attached are some of the girls I met and remain in contact with. They may not be 6's, 7's or 8's in everyone's eyes, but some are definitely in mine. Yeah, their faces aren't blurred out, but these aren't sexually compromising photos.[/QUOTE]Siamisin, I appreciate you agreeing with me on one of my two major points. You didn't notice much of what I had not noticed either, right? And I imagine you might be paying more attention to that kind of thing than I am generally. Of course, one factor I can't assess in your particular case with regard to your success in being seen walking around with "9+" Thai P4P girls or any of the girls in your photos is, if I saw you in person, would I even take you to be an Indian walking past me with your girl? LOL.

I have seen your photos with your face blurred out and blocked so it is not something I can judge merely from the portions of your body I have seen in the shots. Your skin appears to be rather light. You have mentioned several times that there is some element of "spin" on your Indian ethnicity that suggests many people might not think you are Indian. Or maybe I misunderstood that? Naturally, such a factor would not apply to the point I made. If most Thai girls would not automatically and immediately take you to be an Indian man on meeting you then your experience and my observation of it would be radically different and largely irrelevant to the point I made.

And what I see in making my rounds would have nothing to do with the girls someone meets in a massage shop or escorts arriving at a hotel room or girls who take their customers upstairs in a BJ Bar or other similar venue. I can only talk about what I see outside, walking around the red light districts.

But on my second point, that is something no one can assess by just looking around. However, I can assure everyone that if your restrictions are a P4P session must include either BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM to even begin to be worth paying money for, then you've got a very heavy lift ahead of you in Thailand if at the same time you'll be hitting up all the best looking girls in any joint. And you don't have to be obviously Indian to have big challenges ahead of you on that count. I am Caucasian (however, 65 years old, which likely is a factor as well) with that kind of restriction and there is no way I would spend much of my time and money trying to win over the bargirl "9s" or the best lookers in a bar rather than make the logical compromises.

On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I've been in Pattaya for a week and I'm disappointed with my stay so far. I'm here for 3 more weeks and struggling to crack this honey pot. A little background, This is my first trip to Thailand. I'm Indian origin but from the US.[/QUOTE]Try Devils Den. They have both in-call and outcall options. The deeper end of the pool, but DD has a non-descrimonation policy posted on their website.

From the Devils Den FAQ page:

Q. I'm Indian / African / Middle Eastern, many Pattaya establishments will not even allow me in the door- what is your policy?

A. We welcome well mannered, educated gentlemen of all races, colors and creeds. Anyone who treats our ladies with courtesy and respect is our guest, anyone. Regardless of where they are from, who behaves otherwise will be asked to leave.

SL.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2301902]Cheap and perhaps problem with getting paid.. It's not ideal but you may have to offer upfront payment but be as sure as you can that she knows and agrees to what you expect. Also early in the visit to the bar tip the mamasan and buy some drinks.[/QUOTE]Disagree here. Never pay upfront otherwise that will set a bad precedent. Better to offer an extra 200 to 500 baht if things go better. Paying upfront gives her too much leverage in a situation where the punter is already leary about receiving good service. Inflating the price, while not a good option either, will at least be the lesser of 2 evils.

[QUOTE=IMembr;2302415]Disagree here. Never pay upfront otherwise that will set a bad precedent. Better to offer an extra 200 to 500 baht if things go better. Paying upfront gives her too much leverage in a situation where the punter is already leary about receiving good service. Inflating the price, while not a good option either, will at least be the lesser of 2 evils.[/QUOTE]Totally agree in principle but this member seems to be having a hard time getting laid. I suggest using an offer of upfront payment as a last resort on the off chance she is happy to go with him but her concern is getting paid.

It should be mentioned that paying upfront is becoming more and more the norm in the P4 P scene whether escorts soapies or oilies. With FL'S and Go Go hook ups it's still by and large after the session but I also see this changing over time.

There is an ongoing conversation whether upfront results in inferior service. From personal experience I would yes but only marginally so.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301933]I have an account with TF and have been trying that route. I didn't put up my pics since I would like to not have my pics out on the web due to privacy reasons. I haven't tried the go-go's yet. I'm assuming they are different from the bars? I'll try your suggestion and will buy the mamasan a LD and also buy the lady a few LD's if she is interested in being bar fined. I will post a review after that. I'm in pattaya till April 14, so if it's possible to team up that would be great. I don't have PM since I only have US credit cards.[/QUOTE]Have you tried visiting some of your countrymen in the numerous Indian restaurants in Pattaya? Just walk south along Beach Rd or Second Road towards Walking Street. I'm sure some guys there can give you accurate info.

The number one reason that girls have given me for (supposedly) not going with Indians is that they have gone home with one Monger, only to find 4 of his friends in the room expecting their turn and for no extra tip. You may want to try her recommended ST hotel until you can build up a trustworthy reputation.

Good luck. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2302609]The number one reason that girls have given me for (supposedly) not going with Indians is that they have gone home with one Monger, only to find 4 of his friends in the room expecting their turn and for no extra tip. You may want to try her recommended ST hotel until you can build up a trustworthy reputation.[/QUOTE]There are tons of chicks in those Indian discos on Walking Street. When the clubs close the street is flooded with Indian guys leaving with the girls. I don't see how this dude is having a hard time getting laid.

[QUOTE=ArisCasa;2302183]...
Most western mongers one sees on the streets of Thailand, including BKK, are 50+, out of shape, fat geezers. Don't get me wrong, not all but majority of them. I know many of you western regulars here will jump and squash me, but that's the truth. They also have their savings and pension benefits and usually no immediate family which doesn't need that money. Being white, moneyed and unencumbered, even if the guy is older than her grand pop, is an ideal demography for a poor Isan farmer girl who has only seen brown skinned men exploit her all her life. Why will she again be seen with one in Pattaya. She is happy with a white walrus. Most of south and south east asia still has a white skin hangover from colonial days. But you are beginning to see the changes.
...[/QUOTE]Sure looks that way to me, too. I will often mention my age and race on this board (65 year old Caucasian) when I relate an experience because in SEA and particularly Thailand, those are often pertinent factors. But, just as some Indian men might not automatically and immediately appear to be Indian to the girls compared to what they have generally encountered, some of us Caucasian geezers don't exactly fit the profile, either. The description I have mentioned in the past but rarely do anymore is that my weight is proportionate to my height (79 kg, 178 cm tall), 32"/81 cm waist, still have most of my hair, have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50. So I recognize that what I experience out there in the bars or online might be very different from what the men of my same age and ethnic origin, the majority of whom I see passing through the red light districts fitting your description of us above, experience. And, BTW, the results are not necessarily better for me than for them. Not by a long shot.

[QUOTE=ArisCasa;2302183]...
Most Indians you see in Beach road, WS etc are boys from smaller cities and towns or rich rural farmers. Out to spend a buck or thousand. The type from western countries many of who have never stepped out of their countries, and who may not even be able to place Thailand geographically on earth. Its good these Indian boys from smaller towns and villages are travelling, unlike their western counterparts. You would rarely see an Indian monger who is guilt free and very happy that he is taking a business lady home for a romp. He is on the lookout always who is watching him. That issue many of you don't have.
...
You would rarely see a 50+ single Indian man on the streets of Pattaya, walking alone, looking for a 19 or 20 year old girl. Never.

For reasons above, you would rarely see a "sophisticated" Indian walk hand in hand with an 8 or 8+.
...[/QUOTE]ArisCasa, a certain board member has repeatedly stated he knows many Indian men who regularly barfine and step out for ST/LT sessions with damned hot Thai girls, that one can hardly approach popular Pattaya Walking Street go-go bars without bumping into several Indian men emerging from them hand-in-hand with the top girls from those bars, practically all of them easily being 8's, 9's and 10's.

So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302633] have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50.[/QUOTE]I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear. Sorry but I have never met a guy who is 65 and looks 50. I have girls tell me I look 25 to 30 max and I know I don't look that age. Syzy has been told by girls he looks 35. So if a girl says you look 50 sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're old in their eyes. Remember most Thai men die of old age in their 50s.

You touched on one point that was accurate. You said some Indian men do not look Indian at first glance. The Indian guys I know pulling the hot girls do not look stereotypical Indian, are light skinned, and have no Indian accent.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302633]So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.[/QUOTE]Make that 4.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2302653]I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear. Sorry but I have never met a guy who is 65 and looks 50. I have girls tell me I look 25 to 30 max and I know I don't look that age. Syzy has been told by girls he looks 35. So if a girl says you look 50 sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you're old in their eyes. Remember most Thai men die of old age in their 50s.[/QUOTE]Of course, I realize that. That is why I said, "I have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50" instead of the way you mis-characterized what I said.

Keeping ones weight under control definitely helps you to look younger in the eyes of most people, I would say. Just being normal weight rather than obese is bound to shave a good ten years off a middle aged or older man.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302658]Of course, I realize that. That is why I said, "I have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50" instead of the way you mis-characterized it.[/QUOTE]Sorry my misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2302659]Sorry my misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]No problem. I am certainly assumed by fellow Americans to be as old as 52-53 often enough. I see that as "about 50". And some of us are benefited by the fact that most men the girls meet fudge on their age anyway. So if the girls are used to 70 year old western men telling them they are 60, it is natural for the girls to think that is what a "60 year old" western man looks like. LOL. So maybe that accounts for at least some of the amazement they express when I tell them my true age instead.

[QUOTE=CamelToePokema;2301325]I picked up a girl from beach road for THB 2000 and took her to my hotel. She wanted half the money upfront and even though I know this is a bad idea, I gave her THB 1000 as I was not thinking clearly. She then started laying out too many rules, no DFK, no licking tits, no touching pussy etc, so I asked her to leave as I knew that this was not going to be an enjoyable experience.[/QUOTE]

That's more than double the going rate for Beach Road, you should be able to get 700 to 1000 baht tops. Even 500 is possible with some of the girls.

One thing with Indians is that they have a reputation for haggling, so the girls quote a high price upfront with the expectation that they'll have to go down. If they started off with a low price (even really low like 700 baht), most Indians would still try to haggle her down. Bit funny since Indians who try to be classy and not haggle get ripped off like you did.

I used to have a regular from Beach Road who actually preferred Indians, she says that compared to Farang they're not especially demanding, tend to come quickly and are easier to handle once you're familiar with them. She can negotiate with a group and do them back to back, which she doesn't mind (it is about money after all, and 5 x700 baht in an hour is better than 1 x700 baht in the same hour).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2302653]I hope you realize that girls say what you want to hear.[/QUOTE]Regarding the age they don't always lie, sometimes they are dumb at guessing the age for a male foreigner (especially if there is no obvious sign, as the white hairs) exactly as we are dumb at guessing their age while a Thai man would perfectly guess it at the first sight.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302633]Sure looks that way to me, too. I will often mention my age and race on this board (65 year old Caucasian) when I relate an experience because in SEA and particularly Thailand, those are often pertinent factors. But, just as some Indian men might not automatically and immediately appear to be Indian to the girls compared to what they have generally encountered, some of us Caucasian geezers don't exactly fit the profile, either. The description I have mentioned in the past but rarely do anymore is that my weight is proportionate to my height (79 kg, 178 cm tall), 32"/81 cm waist, still have most of my hair, have never been guessed by either men or women to be older than about 50. So I recognize that what I experience out there in the bars or online might be very different from what the men of my same age and ethnic origin, the majority of whom I see passing through the red light districts fitting your description of us above, experience. And, BTW, the results are not necessarily better for me than for them. Not by a long shot.

ArisCasa, a certain board member has repeatedly stated he knows many Indian men who regularly barfine and step out for ST/LT sessions with damned hot Thai girls, that one can hardly approach popular Pattaya Walking Street go-go bars without bumping into several Indian men emerging from them hand-in-hand with the top girls from those bars, practically all of them easily being 8's, 9's and 10's.

So it is bewildering why three of us in fairly rapid succession have now agreed that we either did not see "Much" of it in Pattaya, rarely see it or cannot recall seeing it even once. Maybe we three should get our vision checked ASAP.[/QUOTE]FWIW I'm Indian 50+ and always solo except when I have one or more local damsels with me of course. Never had a problem picking up 8/9+ chicks from clubs or go-go bars or Thermae or whatever so much so that a few times young guys have tried to hit on them in discos but failed to pry them, guess no money no honey. In shopping malls people stare when I'm with of these young beauties which actually makes me uncomfortable sometimes but what the heck only bond lives twice we all live once. I even had one Thai guy complete stranger walk up to me and tell me that I'm a lucky man thinking one of them was my wife or something. Anyways not sure how long this will last but I plan to be in LOS in May hopefully. Cheers & monger safely.

There is no doubt that Thais profile especially the door guys. Didn't look back but I believe the conversation started with the ops stating he is Indian but from the USA?

If you are dressing like the Indians that have given other Indians a bad name changing your dress code would help for one that is my opinion. You be surprised if you even wore a Yankee baseball cap that would help. I'm Asian many times I get spoken to before I even open my mouth in English by a Thai, out of curiosity I ask them how come they spoke to me in English many have said it is because of the way I'm dressed of course many speak to me especially on Walking Street Japanese, Korean, and now Chinese we all look alike right. How you dress does make a difference even here in Pattaya.

Just because your an Indian you don't necessarily have to go to the Indian clubs end of Walking Street use to be Russian but now seem to be all Indians, Clubs like Razza? I went in when it was opened gave me a good eye opener as to why I won't be eager to make a trip to India.

If you got to get laid, use hitting the Soi Buakhao area, particularly down Soi Honey, it seems at time every Indian visiting is at Honey Massage a Soapy or P. P Massage further down Soi Buakhao make a right at Soi 15 a bit past TreeTown, there is a T. T. Yellow exchange booth at the corner if you are hungry right behind the exchange booth is a small hole in the wall own by Thais place to eat called Surprise! You can get a nice dinner Babyback ribs fries for 199 Baht or half chicken half ribs. P. P. Massage is half way down the Soi heading towards 3rd. Road.

There are tons of massage places that would gladly service Indians general price 1200 for full service that includes the massage price. Just be warned make sure it isn't a ladyboy unless that is your thing.

Many of the GoGo's LK metro allow Indian from my experience, Touch, Paradise, Dollshouse, Kinks, SugarSugar, Oasis they seem to take anyone? Try 13/1 there are one or two day time GoGo quality low but they will rock your world.

As noted, Soi six is always a sure thing for Indian, I've never heard of any of the night wish group places refusing Indian, also try Gentlemen clubs.

If you decided to take them back to your hotel and don't have transportation using a Songthaw please don't hag over the price that is a sure way of having your session end badly? that is a Indian joke sorry!

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2302662]One thing with Indians is that they have a reputation for haggling, so the girls quote a high price upfront with the expectation that they'll have to go down. If they started off with a low price (even really low like 700 baht), most Indians would still try to haggle her down. [/QUOTE]Funny. I did not know Mr E was Indian. Nor most of the other dudes here who keep whinging about the escalating price of pussy in Thailand. 5555.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2301856]I agree to this in general as don't have typical gogo experience but having experience of general Asian establishment, most of the time it is easier to ask mamamsan. In Perth had an experience with a pretty pino girl who had a reputation of hit and miss, spoke to mamasan and the service I got was nothing short of amazing. These girls can't refuse their mamasan, so once she gets involved service improves dramatically.[/QUOTE]The original poster did not mention gogo bars. He was not simply getting a "no" as a rejection, but their backs turned when he approached or talked to them and all communication stopped when he sent a photo on Thai Friendly. This has to do more than just being Indian. Race shouldn't be an excuse unless you have wiped out all other excuses, including looks, mannerisms, and hygiene. If he had girls acting rudely with backs turned on him, I can imagine it's worse at gogo bars where there is even more of a hustle. Also mama sans cannot force any girl to go with any guy. They only know who is willing to go with what type of customer. So asking mamasan or buying her a drink, is unlikely to get the top notch girl. I am sure the top notch girl has the most freedom to choose whoever she wants. That's why I recommend him lowering his standard of choice. You can only get rejected rudely so much, and it will affect newbies mentally.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2302731]Funny. I did not know Mr E was Indian. Nor most of the other dudes here who keep whinging about the escalating price of pussy in Thailand. 5555.[/QUOTE]And the 1000's of sob stories in Phil, Thai, Viet and Indo boards how they were cheated of 100 Baht or equivalent (that's USd $ 3, I guess. Cost of a starbucks medium size) by tuk tuk guys, lady drinks, doorment an NEP, the street food vendor and what not. Oh and that SIM card top up stories of not getting 100 Baht talk time. How much did one spend from home to SEA airport and back home, compared to their 1/2/4 week romp in town. Just compare.

I arrived at Don Muang on a red eye flight at 05:30. As I'd never been to the airport before, its 20 years since my last visit to Pattaya and I was arriving so early, I just pre booked a car online with Tom's Taxi. 1400 be door to door inc tolls etc. Not cheap but super easy for a newbie or cautious traveler. He was on time, had a newish car and drove straight to the hotel with no deviations. The taxis must have had issues with collecting the wrong white guys in the past because he made me hold my name plaque for a photo before we set off.

A uneventful 2 hour drive to Pattaya and I arrived at the Scenery Hotel at 0800. My intention was just to dump my bags and get bfast before their checkin time but I was still dog tired after the flights, so paid 500 be for a 1/2 day early checkin. I've got a spacious room, a small balcony and plenty of air con and hot water (the later is a serious trigger point for me with hotel rooms). The only minor negatives I can find are no hot water at the bathroom faucet so cold water shaves and no lace inner curtain so the room is either blacked out with the curtains closed or there is no privacy with the curtains open: there is no option to have natural lighting and privacy at the same time. As I said, pretty minor negatives.

Thanks to Mr. E for recommending the hotel. I had mentioned that I like to be within walking distance to everywhere rather than rely on baht busses or taxis and the Scenery is certainly well placed, on Soi 11 and 2nd Road, mid way between WS and Soi 6 and just around the corner from LK Metro. It has many restaurants, laundries etc nearby. Breakfast close to WS and afternoon drinks on Soi 6 were all comfortable walks though at 4 am, with a girl in tow, I'd probably take the baht bus.

The day was spent walking around and getting my bearings after a 20 year absence. Beach road hadn't changed except for a God awful smell from the drainage. LK Metro provided a good place to get out of the mid day heat, fill the bar fridge and grab a massage. Soi 6 was just starting to come alive in the afternoon. Bar Fines were quoted as 300 be for a ST on site to 700 for a off site LT. Tips were 1500. Lots of girls of all body types were available and I would have had no problem finding someone to my liking if I wanted at the time. As a Philippines regular, I was very pleasantly surprised to see many tall slim girls available, something I don't see a lot of there. The only downside of walking everywhere was that the heat and humidity meant that every time I got back to the hotel I was in need of yet another shower.

My intention was to do a loop through LK Metro at night but by that time I was pretty tired from the flights and walking so just called it quits. I'm in town for a while so I felt no need to fill every minute of every day.

My apologies for a longwinded report with essentially no action. All in all it was a good day for me, getting familiar with the various areas again and getting a feel for where I'd like to return to over the next few days. If anyone is in town and would like a wingman / drinking buddy, feel free to PM me.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302217]You didn't notice much of what I had not noticed either, right? And I imagine you might be paying more attention to that kind of thing than I am generally. Of course, one factor I can't assess in your particular case with regard to your success in being seen walking around with "9+" Thai P4P girls or any of the girls in your photos is, if I saw you in person, would I even take you to be an Indian walking past me with your girl?[/QUOTE]Indeed, I didn't notice much aside from the 2 occasions in Pattaya. And you are correct that I may pass for another ethnic group in a foreign country. Happened to me in London when I spent a few months there and I was mistaken for Italian, Spanish and Turkish LOL. In hindsight I should've grown a beard back then and would've possibly passed for a wealthy Arab tycoon that the Brits have grown accustomed too (with their major stakes in Premiere league teams. Hull, Everton, Man City) in recent years, and I would've been a pussy magnet.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302217]I have seen your photos with your face blurred out and blocked so it is not something I can judge merely from the portions of your body I have seen in the shots. Your skin appears to be rather light. You have mentioned several times that there is some element of "spin" on your Indian ethnicity that suggests many people might not think you are Indian. Or maybe I misunderstood that? Naturally, such a factor would not apply to the point I made. If most Thai girls would not automatically and immediately take you to be an Indian man on meeting you then your experience and my observation of it would be radically different and largely irrelevant to the point I made.[/QUOTE]Like I mentioned in my Day 9 report, it was good to be back in BKK as I had felt stereotyped in Pattaya. It seemed as if I couldn't pull off the mysterious ethnic charade with the Pattaya girls as I was easily identified and asked if I was from India on many occasions. I recall walking passed some Thai freelancers on Pattaya sai 2 road and 1 of the girls actually said "Namaste Bhai" (Namaste is a Hindu greeting and Bhai means brother) to me LOL. I was like holy fuck, my India homies have got these girls in check haha. Now with the 2 points I've just made, I guess it's fair to say that I don't come across as a 'typical' Indian at times, which will help motivate my final point and address yours.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302217]On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.[/QUOTE]I believe you may have misconstrued my point about giving other Indian punters some confidence if they up their game. What I was basically stating was that Indian guys (and actually any punter of any ethnic background) can pull 8's, 9's, & 10's if they've got some game. If you've got no game, no matter your ethnic background, you've got a very slim chance of constantly pulling top girls for whatever p4 p requirements you may have. Game has been mentioned a number of times on the Thailand Forum, and in essence is actually a single word that covers a vast array of factors and fundamentals that once a punter has a grasp off, will make his success at pulling top girls a lot easier. Now I don't claim to have the ultimate game, very far from that actually, but I do get by with the knowledge that I have. And for me to not come across as a 'typical' Indian has a lot to do with my game. In my reports I dropped some major hints about my attire, cologne, tipping or what I said and did, intentionally, so guys who might be having some difficulty, could pick up on it and perhaps try similar approaches.

On a Side note. Neil Strauss's book The Game, is an interesting read for guys who are finding difficulty in understanding the laws of attraction. And years ago I use to watch a very cool TV series called 'The Pick Up Artist' by Mystery and his mates, that showcase their ability to persuade and seduce really hot girls just about anywhere. Worth checking out.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302868]Indeed, I didn't notice much aside from the 2 occasions in Pattaya. And you are correct that I may pass for another ethnic group in a foreign country. Happened to me in London when I spent a few months there and I was mistaken for Italian, Spanish and Turkish LOL. In hindsight I should've grown a beard back then and would've possibly passed for a wealthy Arab tycoon that the Brits have grown accustomed too (with their major stakes in Premiere league teams. Hull, Everton, Man City) in recent years, and I would've been a pussy magnet.

.[/QUOTE]I am Brazilian of Middle Eastern origin, I also speak Hebrew and Levantine Arabic as first languages. I look like a Jew or Arab and never had trouble picking up girls. We Brazilians are good at games. I recently travelled to China and met a young Japanese tourist. I fucked her without paying a penny. Thailand is my next destination and plan on going there in June (Pattaya). There are stereotypes everywhere but we don't care. There are stereotypes about European and American men being dumped by Thai girls. We all don't care about stereotypes, we are all different. It's not a competition. We don't care who pick the hottest hooker as long as you pay there is no game. No money no honey thailand. I have a brazilian friend that looks like an indian, he was successfull in picking girls in Pattaya. He is as dark as people from Sri Lanka.

I am just scared not to find a hot Thai woman because I watched many videos about pattaya on Youtube, I rarely saw hot Thai girls in Pattaya, the hottest Thai girls I saw were with Japanese and Korean clients. I prefer Vietnamese girls over Thai girls physically. But Vietnam is not as open as Thailand for sex.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302217]
On both points, and you appear to be agreeing with me on the ethnicity one, simply suggesting, "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar, don't make the mistake I see being made all the time, the only problem is in your mind, I see successes happening all around", is totally unrealistic based on what is easily observable to you and me, imo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302868]
I believe you may have misconstrued my point about giving other Indian punters some confidence if they up their game. What I was basically stating was that Indian guys (and actually any punter of any ethnic background) can pull 8's, 9's, & 10's if they've got some game. If you've got no game, no matter your ethnic background, you've got a very slim chance of constantly pulling top girls for whatever p4 p requirements you may have. Game has been mentioned a number of times on the Thailand Forum, and in essence is actually a single word that covers a vast array of factors and fundamentals that once a punter has a grasp off, will make his success at pulling top girls a lot easier. Now I don't claim to have the ultimate game, very far from that actually, but I do get by with the knowledge that I have. And for me to not come across as a 'typical' Indian has a lot to do with my game. In my reports I dropped some major hints about my attire, cologne, tipping or what I said and did, intentionally, so guys who might be having some difficulty, could pick up on it and perhaps try similar approaches.[/QUOTE]Oh, Siamsin, I absolutely agree with you about those things; confidence, game and so on. What I had cobbled together in my "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar" quote above was referencing 2-3 other posters' responses to the OP, not yours.

[QUOTE=ArisCasa;2302812]And the 1000's of sob stories in Phil, Thai, Viet and Indo boards how they were cheated of 100 Baht or equivalent (that's USd $ 3, I guess. Cost of a starbucks medium size) by tuk tuk guys, lady drinks, doorment an NEP, the street food vendor and what not. Oh and that SIM card top up stories of not getting 100 Baht talk time. How much did one spend from home to SEA airport and back home, compared to their 1/2/4 week romp in town. Just compare.[/QUOTE]That makes me nuts. The worst are the ones that whinge over 10 baht. Or crying that they have to buy a drink at a gogo. Waaaaaaaah.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2302859]As a Philippines regular, I was very pleasantly surprised to see many [b]tall[/b] slim girls available, something I don't see a lot of there. [/QUOTE]Ladyboy alert?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;2302957]Ladyboy alert?[/QUOTE]I wasnt talking that tall. Anything over 5' flat beats the Philippines average. 😎.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2302899]Oh, Siamsin, I absolutely agree with you about those things; confidence, game and so on. What I had cobbled together in my "Hey, go for the "9s" or the hottest girls in the bar" quote above was referencing 2-3 other posters' responses to the OP, not yours.[/QUOTE]Haven't been to Pattaya yet. Will be there in 2 days. Walked to twister and spanky. I'm twistee I was eyeing a Chinese thai mix girl on their tub. Best features, tall and really pretty. Told the server that I like her and 10 min later she was sitring with me. Bought her a drink. Rubbed some ass and asked if I can bar fine her. Was told 1000 BF and 3000/5000 for her.

At spankys, went in sat there, was eyeing a girl who was looking other side of stage, calles the mamasan and asked her if I can buu her a ld. Mamasan points her lasee pointer to a serving lady, signal her to bring Minh to me and after couple of drinks my hands were exploring all the parts where sun doesn't shine everyday. BF 700 and st 3000 requested.

I would urge everyone, don't underestimate yourself. You have the most imp things these girls want, money. That is there purpose of being there.

8,9,10 scale girl, as long as they know that you can afford them, they will be very willing to go with you.

I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2302762]The original poster did not mention gogo bars. He was not simply getting a "no" as a rejection, but their backs turned when he approached or talked to them and all communication stopped when he sent a photo on Thai Friendly. This has to do more than just being Indian. Race shouldn't be an excuse unless you have wiped out all other excuses, including looks, mannerisms, and hygiene. If he had girls acting rudely with backs turned on him, I can imagine it's worse at gogo bars where there is even more of a hustle. Also mama sans cannot force any girl to go with any guy. They only know who is willing to go with what type of customer. So asking mamasan or buying her a drink, is unlikely to get the top notch girl. I am sure the top notch girl has the most freedom to choose whoever she wants. That's why I recommend him lowering his standard of choice. You can only get rejected rudely so much, and it will affect newbies mentally.[/QUOTE]Mama san can't force but their suggestion is often enough. I am from same region. Already have 2 pics on TF profile.

Have met 2 TF girls in BK in last 2 days. Have some lined up for Pattaya.

I wouldn't say lower the standards, stream line his process.

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2302868]
I believe you may have misconstrued my point about giving other Indian punters some confidence if they up their game. What I was basically stating was that Indian guys (and actually any punter of any ethnic background) can pull 8's, 9's, & 10's if they've got some game. If you've got no game, no matter your ethnic background, you've got a very slim chance of constantly pulling top girls for whatever p4 p requirements you may have. Game has been mentioned a number of times on the Thailand Forum, and in essence is actually a single word that covers a vast array of factors and fundamentals that once a punter has a grasp off, will make his success at pulling top girls a lot easier. Now I don't claim to have the ultimate game, very far from that actually, but I do get by with the knowledge that I have. And for me to not come across as a 'typical' Indian has a lot to do with my game. In my reports I dropped some major hints about my attire, cologne, tipping or what I said and did, intentionally, so guys who might be having some difficulty, could pick up on it and perhaps try similar approaches.

On a Side note. Neil Strauss's book The Game, is an interesting read for guys who are finding difficulty in understanding the laws of attraction. And years ago I use to watch a very cool TV series called 'The Pick Up Artist' by Mystery and his mates, that showcase their ability to persuade and seduce really hot girls just about anywhere. Worth checking out.[/QUOTE]Talking about game, does anybody know what happened to MonkeyPaw? He hasn't posted anything for a couple of months now. Or are you the 'reincarnation' of MonkeyPaw Siamsin?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2302969]Talking about game, does anybody know what happened to MonkeyPaw? He hasn't posted anything for a couple of months now. Or are you the 'reincarnation' of MonkeyPaw Siamsin?[/QUOTE]Haha, I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not. I believe he ruffled quite a few feathers on this board. I did read some of his reports and found it very informative and helpful prior to my trip to Thailand. He certainly does come across as conceited and arrogant to some, but if what he mentions is true regarding his background and access to nearly unlimited funds, then who can blame him for his largely wild, insouciant and profligate lifestyle. That coupled with his knowledge of game definitely makes him a formidable monger imo.

Personally, I try to pick up bits of info, tactics and strategies from posts and reports by all contributing members on this forum, as you never stop learning and improving your game.

But to answer your question regarding me being the 'reincarnation' (which I find quite cheeky with me being a hindu) of Monkeypaw, the answer is obviously no. In fact, I don't even own a teddy bear. But I'm sure he is missed by many as he certainly contributed significant information to the board and wasn't just a commenter.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2302959]Haven't been to Pattaya yet. Will be there in 2 days. Walked to twister and spanky. I'm twistee I was eyeing a Chinese thai mix girl on their tub. Best features, tall and really pretty. Told the server that I like her and 10 min later she was sitring with me. Bought her a drink. Rubbed some ass and asked if I can bar fine her. Was told 1000 BF and 3000/5000 for her.

At spankys, went in sat there, was eyeing a girl who was looking other side of stage, calles the mamasan and asked her if I can buu her a ld. Mamasan points her lasee pointer to a serving lady, signal her to bring Minh to me and after couple of drinks my hands were exploring all the parts where sun doesn't shine everyday. BF 700 and st 3000 requested.

I would urge everyone, don't underestimate yourself. You have the most imp things these girls want, money. That is there purpose of being there.

8,9,10 scale girl, as long as they know that you can afford them, they will be very willing to go with you.

I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.[/QUOTE]Generally agree with you in that virtually no game is required to get girls to "go with you" in Thailand. Especially if you are fine with basic, standard FS, everything covered, very little intimacy required from the girl. Said it on this site many times.

However, getting them to DO something as intimate and involved as BBFS+CIP, possibly BBBJ+CIM (other than in a BJ Bar and some MPs), definitely BBBJ+CIM+SWALLOW and now let's include the goal being getting that from solid 7.5+ girls and now we're talking about something no one can count on getting by just rolling out of bed, walking into a go-go bar, pointing to or having a mamasan point to a girl (the 8, 9 or 10, right?) and offering Money, Money, Money. Not in Thailand go-go bars. It's going to require something more in terms of effort, luck of the draw physically, ethnically, whatever in order to get that with some consistency.

There was no indication that even MonkeyPaw was scoring that with much consistency. And he spent TONS of Money, Money, Money and I think claimed to have the best game in Asia.

Oh, I suppose if just about anybody no matter how extreme the challenge offered 5-10 times the Money, Money, Money going rate each and every time they might get BBFS+CIP fairly consistently with go-go bar 7.5's or thereabouts. Maybe even go-go bar 8s. But I assume that is not what you were talking about in your barfine examples, right?

[QUOTE=Siamsin;2303093]. I believe he ruffled quite a few feathers on this board. [/QUOTE]Never met the guy but he did refer me to the "legendary" Claire, Miss Bottoms Contest Winner in Makati which I am grateful for. I think I would have enjoyed having San Migs with him. I, too, have ruffled some feathers on this board. Jackson even erased like a thousand of my posts (many of which were simply requests for big boob sightings and contact info haha). I'm still being moderated for reasons that have long since expired. But it's OK. I try to not be too abrasive to the offenders or just plain wrong posters but sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Anyway I think I've been on ISG for over 10 years now, made some friends and got a lot of great information on not just big boob sightings but taxis, hotels, airports, weather, etc. Really, the subscription has paid for itself many times over and I thank Jackson for not kicking me out permanently.

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2302959]

I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.[/QUOTE]There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.

If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.

I plan to travel to Thailand (Pattaya) not because I am homesick but because I like visiting different countries. I fuck everyday in my home country.

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2303124]There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.

If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.

I plan to travel to Thailand (Pattaya) not because I am homesick but because I like visiting different countries. I fuck everyday in my home country.[/QUOTE]That's the most correct and sensible post I've read in a long time.

I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2303131]I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?

We don't all have the same taste in girls anyways. One person's 8 may be another person's 5. Some guy may have barfined a girl who they thought was an 8 but after a poor session rates her a 6 for looks.

For me, pretty enough is pretty enough. All things being equal, prettier is better. But in my experience, it easier to meet a fun 7 then a fun 9, that maybe bc there are more 7's. It's usually cheaper also.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2303145]Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?

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[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2302885] We don't care who pick the hottest hooker as long as you pay there is no game. No money no honey thailand. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WrongGuy;2302959]I would urge everyone, don't underestimate yourself. You have the most imp things these girls want, money. That is there purpose of being there.
8,9,10 scale girl, as long as they know that you can afford them, they will be very willing to go with you. I am from same region, never had a problem. There is a lady in Perth who advertises no African or Indians. Once offered her $100 more and she accepted the booking. Since that day I believe that your game has nothing to do with you getting girl, game can get you better or cheaper service at times, but most girls will prefer more money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2303124]There is no game as long as you pay. I don't know why people are talking about games when it comes to hookers. A hooker is a hooker, she will say all you want to hear. Your dick is small (oh your dick is big), you are ugly (you are handsome) you are fat (you are strong) you are old (you look younger), you are not interesting (they listen to you as if they are interested) you are a foreigner (I don't like local men) you were bad in bed (I loved it) etc. It's their work to adapt to the client and know how to lie because they are used to all kinds of clients and are working girls. If they always say the truth they will lose clients. Western men are dump, Indian men are cheap etc but stereotypes mean nothing. There are so many stereotypes. We Brazilian guys are known to be machos, cheaters but it's just a stereotype and I don't care. If you enjoy, there is nothing to do with your ethnicity but more with your personality.

If you fuck a girl without paying cash, we can talk about the games. Travelling miles just to get laid with farmers, it's not game.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2303131]That's the most correct and sensible post I've read in a long time.

I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I do agree with you guys to an extent that money will pretty much open any set of shapely legs in the p4 p scene. But how many punters are actually that exceptionally wealthy? Picture a rough looking, overweight dude with just got out of bed attire, walking into a top gogo bar and signalling 1 of the top 5 girls to go with him. His chances are absolutely zero. However, if he gives the mamasan 2 k and tells the girl he'll give her 20 k /30 k for ST with his requirements, I'm pretty sure she'll bite the bullet and consider it. Likewise with the Online Scene of ThaiFriendly and other dating apps which I'm more familiar with, where first impressions and profile pictures count, I can assure you that the exact same guy I described above will have zero chance of getting responses from the hottest girls on there, with a profile photo of him standing in a park or in his Speedos on the beach. But if he showcases his lifestyle with photos of him next to his Ferrari's, on his luxury catamaran, wearing a custom Bijan suit and matching Rolex etc, I'm pretty sure his inbox would be full.

Unfortunately most of us aren't that exceptionally wealthy, and that's where Game comes in. In the p4 p4 scene, it's the ability to pay a fair rate for the requirements the punter expects, and get all that from 8, 9 or 10 WG's constantly. Further perks of having good Game is to later spend much less or no money when repeating with some of these girls, just out of your pure ability to seduce and intoxify them with your charm. Game goes beyond WG's in that you're able to pull ordinary chicks from just about anywhere. It works especially well in Thailand where sex, sexual preferences and sexuality is openly accepted. Thai girls are far more liberal when it comes to sex and 1 night stands with foreigners, so having good game definitely helps.

Every single 1 of us has and uses some sort of game whether we know it or not. It's not just what you say to women, but everything about you, before you even say a word. Your demeanor, body language, attire, build, hygiene, multilingualism ability, scent, aura, approach etc. Hot girls get hit on every single day of their lives. Be it walking around the mall, in their neighborhoods, at work, gym, out with friends, on their social media accounts, everywhere. I asked 1 of my Thai friendly hookups when last she had used the app, and in my presence she logged in and within a minute of her being online, she had over 30 messages, an exorbitant number of profile visits and a couple of dick pics (LOL. Who the fuck does that shit) in that short space of time. She just looked at me and said, that's why she doesn't use it anymore. Having good game allows you to stand out from the crowd, be noticed, banter, and bed the girl you desire.

In the p4 p scene most punters, be it expats, holiday makers, business travelers, returning spouses etc, have budgets or limits that they abide to. Blowing your entire pussy budget on a few 9's or 10's in a space of 5 days of your 14 day vakay for example, isn't very smart if your intention to get those girls is offering them more money. But having good game when chatting to that 9 or 10, negging her, making her laugh, bantering, building rapport and curiosity, will easily allow you to get her to agree to some if not all your requirements for an acceptable rate. After a session with her, possibly see her at a reduced rate or no charge, hook you up with a friend, maybe even persuade her into a threesome. There's plenty of posts on the Thailand forum about guys that don't pay for sex or have a set few girls they see for casual rendezvous and that all boils down to their game imo.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2303145]Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?

We don't all have the same taste in girls anyways. One person's 8 may be another person's 5. Some guy may have barfined a girl who they thought was an 8 but after a poor session rates her a 6 for looks.[/QUOTE]My point was that there's no need for the pissing contest as to who can get a 9 and who can't. They are all poorly educated prostitutes from poor rural backgrounds. Last time I looked, gold medals weren't being awarded to mongers with the most kills LOL.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2303131]I can't understand the obsession on the Pattaya board about mongers wanting to prove they can pick up and bang an 8 or a 9. FFS, they are prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I have never understood courting or kowtowing to a chick you have to pay. Hell, I don't even do it with the chicks I don't have to pay. I have always said just to walk up to them and say lets go. If she is trying to earn something then she will go. If she is not then just move on to the next one. A hooker is a hooker, no matter if she is a 2 or a 10. In any other business isn't the one spending the money the one that os supposed to be courted? A customer courting the seller is ass backwards.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2303145]Why would a guy select an average looking girl when there's a prettier one at another bar?[/QUOTE]Because the 7+ is far more likely to provide an exceptional experience than the girl who does not need to attract customers.

Sadly, I've had it proven many times that girls that are flooded with customers can give lack luster sessions where as girls that are keen for repeat business will try to give you a reason to come back. I routinely avoid "the" girl in a bar. Not because I'm intimidated by looks but because I'm pretty sure other, still pretty but not stunning, girls are more likely to give me a great session. #.

Also, some guys are more attracted to the more homely girls or those closer to their own age. Plenty of older guys exclusively select 30+ girls.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2303145]We don't all have the same taste in girls anyways. One person's 8 may be another person's 5. Some guy may have barfined a girl who they thought was an 8 but after a poor session rates her a 6 for looks.[/QUOTE]Totally correct. Who am I to judge the attractiveness of of another guy's girl? He is free to spend his money on whom ever he wishes.

#either that or subconsciously I know that they wouldn't touch me with a barge pole. 😎.

Enjoy. G.

Out of curiosity, on a scale of 1 to 10 how low will you go. And how would you score the median you do?

For me if 2 or below is ugly, and 5 or 6 is average. I have been with a 3 or 4. She was in her 40's, kind of saggy, but really sweet and wanted to please. I would say my median average is with a 6. I like a little older, in their low 30's, age wise. I don't think I have ever been with what people here would say is a 9. Though a few solid 8's, at least in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2303159]Because the 7+ is far more likely to provide an exceptional experience than the girl who does not need to attract customers.

Sadly, I've had it proven many times that girls that are flooded with customers can give lack luster sessions where as girls that are keen for repeat business will try to give you a reason to come back.[/QUOTE]But would you say it is something they are doing or not doing on purpose? If so, then what?

Some people just can not fuck. I have used a chick that I mess with in the Dominican Republic as an example before. She is a free chick that works at the bank. No problem with her not wanting to fuck. She likes to do it. But she is HORRIBLE at it. She always keeps her body stiff and locks her knees, even when she is on top. I have tried teaching her but to no avail.

I have never had a chick in Thailand that I would say was doing something negative on purpose. Most of the chicks that I mess with are freelance. Every now and then I will catch a chick that is freelancing and later find out they work at a gogo bar and it happened to be their day off. I can not recall any of them being anything to write home about in the fucking department. And as I said before, it was not because of something they were doing on purpose to ruin the session.

After a late sleep in and brunch I went to grab a massage along 2nd Road. My bad back was still playing up after the flight so I took some previous board advice and went with one of the older women. A great massage evened out the wrinkles. Lots of manual rimming and sack rubbing while I was face down and a full prostate massage to completion when I was face up. I was surprised to find there was no mention of price beforehand so I just left her a 500B tip when leaving. Flame me if I over paid.

I relaxed back in he room in the afternoon just to escape the heat and me sweating up a storm again. About 10 pm I walked around the corner to LK Metro. Billabong was full of people so I grabbed a spot near the corner. Unfortunately there was not too much eye candy so I only stayed for one drink. Most of the ladies were probably once attractive but were now well past 30. I was to later find that this was the case with most of the beer bars in the area with only 1 or 2 attractive girls in the bar and the rest older ladies. The gogos were another matter with lots of cute girls up on stage and milling around. Unlike the Philippines most were doing their best to put on a show rather than doing the bored stoner shuffle around a chrome pole. Paradise and Destiny had the best girls and atmosphere. Quotes were 1500+ tips of about 2500. Lots of girls fitted my preference of long and lean.

From KL Metro it was a decent walk to Walking Street. Still hot, I was seriously reconsidering my preference for walking every where. What a stupid idea. Not to mention that once the seal had broken, I was stopping for a pi$$ every 10 seconds.

The first couple of bars in WS were a serious disappointment with girls less attractive than LK, much more assertive drink requests and attitude when these were not immediately forthcoming. Most disappointing was that any decent set of tits were obvious bolt ons and not good ones at that. I've no idea of prices as I wasnt enjoying the vibe nor the girls' company.

Moving south, the atmosphere got a lot better, the girls were more fun and the gogos were worthy of stopping for a couple of drinks rather than one and done. Mid way down were the Russian bars then at the very end the Indian. I didn't hit any of the clubs / discos as I'm too old for that $hit. 😁

All up I preferred LKM (the gogos, not the beer bars) with it's better atmosphere and selection of pretty girls. WS obviously had the better lookers and partial / full nudity but their attitude and the over all vibe wasnt doing it for me on that night.

Enjoy. G.