Rio de Janeiro Reports

The difference is probably language skills. You probably have much better porto than most. As you suggested that youtube porto language channel is good.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/c/SpeakingBrazilian[/URL]

I find my girl really likes listening to this channel with me, especially little things like why not to be the ugly gringo putting down the local culture.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735091]Why do you guys think that? I have been coming to Copacabana and meeting normal chicks and their families for over 20 years. Same thing with Sosua. Mongers say you can not let people know you are going there. I have stayed there plenty of times and had normal chicks come from other cities to stay with me there. Nobody is paranoid about this except mongers that see themselves as doing something wrong or think that other people suspect them of being up to debauchery.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735091]Mongers say you can not let people know you are going there.................Nobody is paranoid about this except mongers that see themselves as doing something wrong or think that other people suspect them of being up to debauchery.[/QUOTE]While I would say Rio doesn't have the same reputation as Thailand, I think most mongers would do well with some discretion. If you go to Rio once, perhaps you can tell all your family, friends and colleagues. If you are going a second, a third or a fourth time, keep it under your hat as they say in English.

Mr. E if you are a Continental European, there is less sensitivity to the world's oldest profession within Europe. In North American, there is certainly a strong stigma attached to mongering except in certain small groups of like-minded gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2730930]Can I set up a Brazilian GV number? [/QUOTE]Vagabundo already answered. I just tried and got this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735091]Why do you guys think that? I have been coming to Copacabana and meeting normal chicks and their families for over 20 years. Same thing with Sosua. Mongers say you can not let people know you are going there. I have stayed there plenty of times and had normal chicks come from other cities to stay with me there. Nobody is paranoid about this except mongers that see themselves as doing something wrong or think that other people suspect them of being up to debauchery.[/QUOTE]I have been traveling to Brasil for 26 years and have lived there for years. The truth is experiences with civilians can be different for each individual. It's not cookie cutter, it varies for each man seeking a non-working girl.

I have seen countless guys strike out trying to pull civilians either because they don't have the language skills or they think all brasilians are sex craved vixens who desire gringos. I have had tremendous luck with the civilians because I speak the language, I have family that live in Rio and my company has a huge office in SP. I am blessed to be introduce to women by friends and family and I have a great reason why I visit the country so frequently. Not all men are as fortunate.

I am not going to BS these newbies who don't speak the language and don't have any friends in brasil by telling them it's a breeze picking up females and you can pull any woman you see in the mall. Truth is, its not easy and you will definitely have your work cut out for you. Thats why those 20 year olds quit after a couple of days of trying and just went P4 P.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2735468]I have been traveling to Brasil for 26 years and have lived there for years. The truth is experiences with civilians can be different for each individual. It's not cookie cutter, it varies for each man seeking a non-working girl.

I have seen countless guys strike out trying to pull civilians either because they don't have the language skills or they think all brasilians are sex craved vixens who desire gringos. I have had tremendous luck with the civilians because I speak the language, I have family that live in Rio and my company has a huge office in SP. I am blessed to be introduce to women by friends and family and I have a great reason why I visit the country so frequently. Not all men are as fortunate..[/QUOTE]Yep I also speak the language and it makes a massive difference. I also look after myself. I see a lot of old gringos that are completely out of shape, poorly dressed and with no Portuguese trying to pull 20 something locals and it just looks pathetic. And to be honest it is insulting to Brazilian people.

By the way has anyone ever gotten the presidential suite in Panda Motel? My god! I had my own swimming pool, jacuzzi, sauna, small gym, cinema sized screen! It was amazing.

It has been about 8 years since I was last in Rio for some fun. Decided it might be time to relive some old times. Back then Help disco and the surrounding bars was where I use to spend my evenings. Definitely a target rich environment. Sorry to hear that Help has closed. Is there any bars or areas that has taken its place? It seems like most of the discussion on here deals with the Termas. Never tried them but don't think they're my thing. Kinda prefer the slower pace of a bar to evaluate prospects.

I also remember in Ipanema a bar called Emporio that was good for non-pros and semi-pros. Is it still there? Garota de Ipanema was always my favorite restaurant. I'm just wondering how much has changed. Is there still the ability to relax on the beach during the day and then hit a bar in Ipanema for semi-pro talent or hit somewhere else for a drink and evaluate what you want to take back to the hotel? 200,000 use to be the going rate for short time. Seems like it's gone up a bit.

[QUOTE=QLegal;2735606]Yep I also speak the language and it makes a massive difference. I also look after myself. I see a lot of old gringos that are completely out of shape, poorly dressed and with no Portuguese trying to pull 20 something locals and it just looks pathetic. And to be honest it is insulting to Brazilian people.

By the way has anyone ever gotten the presidential suite in Panda Motel? My god! I had my own swimming pool, jacuzzi, sauna, small gym, cinema sized screen! It was amazing.[/QUOTE]Well, being this out-of-shape gringo, I don't think it's insulting to them as much as it's laughable. I'm pretty sure these fit Brazilian dudes are having a good laugh at our expense.

Anyway, I took a top suite at Bambina also in Botafogo, Cubertura something. It's a duplex suite, very smartly designed, but no gym or screen AFAIK. Now that I think of it, it would be fun working out with your girl on that treadmill (don't know about safety issue), LOL. It was slightly less pricey than Panda, but 3 hours instead of 6. Better take 6, trust me.

These suites are a lot of fun, but I couldn't help but think how often they clean that pool and hot tub. And how many naked asses have graced all those seating surfaces before me. LOL.

[QUOTE=QLegal;2735606]Yep I also speak the language and it makes a massive difference. I also look after myself. I see a lot of old gringos that are completely out of shape, poorly dressed and with no Portuguese trying to pull 20 something locals and it just looks pathetic. And to be honest it is insulting to Brazilian people.[/QUOTE]I think it's okay if young guys go to a club or flirt with retail workers. But again, don't be a jerk and think every Brasileira is craving your first world awesomeness. Try to be subtle. They will appreciate some subtlety. Like every place in the world, if they are okay with your advances they will smile and send obvious cues. If not, move on.

Awhile back, wasn't there a member here who got kicked out of a mall for chatting up countless women? If the member is here still, I'm not trying to be a jerk. It's just an reminder to not be uncouth in the pursuit of Brazilian women.

[QUOTE=QLegal;2735606]Yep I also speak the language and it makes a massive difference. I also look after myself. I see a lot of old gringos that are completely out of shape, poorly dressed and with no Portuguese trying to pull 20 something locals and it just looks pathetic. And to be honest it is insulting to Brazilian people.

By the way has anyone ever gotten the presidential suite in Panda Motel? My god! I had my own swimming pool, jacuzzi, sauna, small gym, cinema sized screen! It was amazing.[/QUOTE]I knew this rich Brazilian who would go there every other weekend with 3-5 terma girls. They would spend the entire weekend doing blow and fucking. He would pay them 2,000 R each and all the coke they could sniff. He loved that hotel.

[QUOTE=BiggusDickus39;2735763]It has been about 8 years since I was last in Rio for some fun. Decided it might be time to relive some old times. Back then Help disco and the surrounding bars was where I use to spend my evenings.[/QUOTE]Was definitely longer than 8 years ago if you are talking about hanging out at Help.

[QUOTE=QLegal;2735606]I see a lot of old gringos that are completely out of shape, poorly dressed and with no Portuguese trying to pull 20 something locals and it just looks pathetic. And to be honest it is insulting to Brazilian people.[/QUOTE]I do not think it is insulting or laughable. I think it is misleading to assume every woman wants a 20 year old gym rat in a 3 piece suit. You can approach any woman. The worst thing she can tell you is no. And you will never know what she will say unless you approach her.

One thing I love about Rio is that mfs sport shorts and flip flops every day of the year. Last Saturday was the coldest day of the year and I was wrapped up in my jacket and hat and folks were still out with shorts and flip flops. The city is super laid back with a bunch of regular people doing regular shit. Big contrast to some of these other threads where mongers are giving advice to wear slacks, a button down shirt, and penny loafers whenever you step outside in those cities.

I asked in the Portuguese words and phrases, but no one reads that thread, it seems.

Gents, if you take a girl to anywhere in Latin America, how would she fare, presuming that she only speaks Portuguese, of course? Would she be able to communicate? Not talking about complex interactions, but in tourist settings (restaurant / hotel / sightseeing).

First went to Garota de Ipanema in 93? It is still the same nothing has changed. The surrounding shops have obvs but the restaurant is identical I still sit in the same seat in far left corner. Happy days.

[QUOTE=BiggusDickus39;2735763]It has been about 8 years since I was last in Rio for some fun. Decided it might be time to relive some old times. Back then Help disco and the surrounding bars was where I use to spend my evenings. Definitely a target rich environment. Sorry to hear that Help has closed. Is there any bars or areas that has taken its place? It seems like most of the discussion on here deals with the Termas. Never tried them but don't think they're my thing. Kinda prefer the slower pace of a bar to evaluate prospects.

I also remember in Ipanema a bar called Emporio that was good for non-pros and semi-pros. Is it still there? Garota de Ipanema was always my favorite restaurant. I'm just wondering how much has changed. Is there still the ability to relax on the beach during the day and then hit a bar in Ipanema for semi-pro talent or hit somewhere else for a drink and evaluate what you want to take back to the hotel? 200,000 use to be the going rate for short time. Seems like it's gone up a bit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2735887]I asked in the Portuguese words and phrases, but no one reads that thread, it seems.

Gents, if you take a girl to anywhere in Latin America, how would she fare, presuming that she only speaks Portuguese, of course? Would she be able to communicate? Not talking about complex interactions, but in tourist settings (restaurant / hotel / sightseeing).[/QUOTE]They should. Every Brazilian I met was better able to understand me as soon as I switched to Spanish.

[QUOTE=StickShifter69;2735947]First went to Garota de Ipanema in 93? It is still the same nothing has changed. The surrounding shops have obvs but the restaurant is identical I still sit in the same seat in far left corner. Happy days.[/QUOTE]There is one big difference. In 1993 Garota the Ipanema was very popular among papa-gringos. Lots of girls wanting to hook up with gringos and had sex for free. We used to call them the turma the batata fritas. If you bought them a chop and batata fritas you could be sure to get sex for free.

Hey guys,

I wanted to contribute to this thread since reading through it had provided me so much info when I was in Rio. I stayed for 2 weeks, first in Ipanema and the second week in Lapa. When I was in Lapa, I visited both Dark Room and 4 x4 every night. My routine was always go to Dark Room, get a nut out in a 30 min session and then walk over to 4 x4 and chill there while making out and deciding who to fuck with a clearer head.

At Dark Room, my main go-to was almost always Mayte. Dark Room seems to me like one of those places where new upcoming talent is mixed with old dated talent. I saw Mayte maybe 3 times that week. Every time she was enthusiastic, always had a smile on her face and was very clearly enjoying her job. My last time with her, I gave her a 100 real tip more as a good-bye tip and she put it in her butt for me. That was fun. I saw Isabel once and I regretted it. It took me the whole 30 minutes to nut with her. There's another older girl there, she asked for my number and her name's initials are E are. She's definitely exhausted by the work and tried hard to see me off hours and to get me into some quasi-relationship shit. Also showed me pics of an Asian-American gringo who she sees (dude if you're reading this, I wouldn't trust her with your real identity). The woman I really wanted was the light skinned / English speaking boss lady. We ended up chatting for a bit my last time there and I asked her what she wanted and what she was looking for. She told me that she was looking for a Dark Room but for women where she could go and get pleasure too. I offered to go down on her for an hour because I wanted to fuck her and she laughed and said "you're my friend!" I told her about Kenya too since I've heard some women head out there for male escorts but she's didn't want to fly all the way over there. Overall, cool vibe for a place to get a nut out for cheap. I hope they keep growing.

4 x 4 struck me as a. Junior varsity version of HK in Tijuana. Not as much stripping, not as many scams, not as much effort, just a bunch of women hanging out. I saw different women there every time except for once so I couldn't tell you their names. The only girl I saw more than once was a darker skinned slim girl who wore white fishnets and long eye lashes, I know her real name but her stage name escapes me. She was cool and she's flexible with her rules. I ended up taking her up twice and having a pretty passionate experience that I'd call GFE. Lots of interesting talent at 4 x4. I talked to the twins and made out with one of them, they seem super chill but we never sessioned. I was very impressed by the one with a 6-pack. I was telling another American who was trying to decide between her and an hour glass figure girl that he can always get hourglass figure girls but a 6-pack girl will ride him for an hour and how many of us have fucked a girl who actually earned her 6-pack? Saw him another time and he was satisfied. Chatted with the front desk mamasan too, she was telling me that she was headed out on vacation after years of working and I wished her well. The girls' manager is a super chill lady and if you tell her the types of girls you're interested in, she'll help you navigate through them. I tipped her 100 reals on my last night for helping me out for a week. My only advice here and for Dark Room is to avoid the girls who've been in the game for more than a few years, the newer girls seem to enjoy the sex more and aren't faking their moans like it's a porno.

I'm in London now seeing an old-flame who's recently divorced because cumming in a sex starved 34-year old for free for a couple of weeks is more of a GFE experience to me than covering up with yet another 19-year old I'll barely remember. I'm headed off to India soon and then Thailand and Philippines so if you see me in those forums holler at me!

[QUOTE=StevenJones;2733752]The casual pick up scene, is it that easy? I have smattering of Spanish, so how fluent do you have to be?[/QUOTE]Everyone else pretty much covered it, I only converted with that one chick I mentioned, the rest were playing hard to get / playing games so I got tired of wasting all my time sweet talking and just stuck to darkroom and the other centro prives. It is pretty easy to get WhatsApp.

I am completely fluent in Portuguese, in my thirties and in shape, dress well, so as always ymmv. ID say it's exactly like picking up girls in the states, but you have the upper hand because when you say you're in Rio for a year for business, they assume you have lots of money which automatically raises your social value to them, they figure you're not some backpacker staying in a hostel trying to pump and dump them for a week.

But yea, if you have to use a translator to talk to non pros, unless you look like Brad Pitt I'd say it's near impossible and the cost (time) would be greater than the reward. That one chick never let me go raw either, which is the whole point of non pros. I have a lot more success in Colombia.

[QUOTE=QLegal;2735606]I see a lot of old gringos that are completely out of shape, poorly dressed and with no Portuguese trying to pull 20 something locals and it just looks pathetic. And to be honest it is insulting to Brazilian people.
.[/QUOTE]I think what is more embarrassing is not their age or shape but it's insulting to the girl because most gringoes especially the older ones are viewed as sex tourists and you are embarrassing yourself and insulting the girl that she is a GDP working girl. You should know 100% if she is a working girl or not before you approach her if you're a slob.it’s just common sense.

[QUOTE=GringoNumero48;2736049]Hey guys,

I wanted to contribute to this thread since reading through it had provided me so much info when I was in Rio. I stayed for 2 weeks, first in Ipanema and the second week in Lapa. When I was in Lapa, I visited both Dark Room and 4 x4 every night. My routine was always go to Dark Room, get a nut out in a 30 min session and then walk over to 4 x4 and chill there while making out and deciding who to fuck with a clearer head. ... [/QUOTE]Thanks for the 4 x 4 and Dark Room updates.

Just curious as to why only these two places during your week, while in Lapa, with all that downtown Rio has to offer? Or was it simply a matter of convenience?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2736153]Thanks for the 4 x 4 and Dark Room updates.

Just curious as to why only these two places during your week, while in Lapa, with all that downtown Rio has to offer? Or was it simply a matter of convenience?[/QUOTE]It was a few factors for me for me. I checked out a few of the other places around Dark Room and wasn't impressed. 4 x 4 had a lot of Americans and I preferred talking to them over the BS conversations that hookers wanted to engage in. After my second day, I decided that it was a good routine to stick to and I preferred what I was getting from a two known bars / locations than continuously search for new experiences. Next time I come back, I think I'll only stay in Lapa and explore the other opportunities.

[QUOTE=Stef1988;2733823] I must also say that Rio was a very nice city in the past, over 10 years ago. I am not sure if the current government or the Covid situation has caused this bad situation, but Rio has lost some of its beauty and flair to me. Very bad roads and not maintained walking streets. A lot of homeless people. [/QUOTE]Thanks for your report and enjoy reading them.

What puzzles me is the decline in talents Rio scene where girls are traveling to Sao Paulo or other cities to make money.

Rio is so popular with tourists so figure more business can be earned from travelers and gringos.

Rio is special place but bit disappointed with talents compare to Sao Paulo.

If anyone has explanation, feel free to share.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735845]Was definitely longer than 8 years ago if you are talking about hanging out at Help.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah I guess you are right. Made me realize I'm not 39 anymore either.

[QUOTE=GringoNumero48;2736049]Hey guys,

I wanted to contribute to this thread since reading through it had provided me so much info when I was in Rio. I stayed for 2 weeks, first in Ipanema and the second week in Lapa. When I was in Lapa, I visited both Dark Room and 4 x4 every night. My routine was always go to Dark Room, get a nut out in a 30 min session and then walk over to 4 x4 and chill there while making out and deciding who to fuck with a clearer head.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report and especially your MO at 4 x4. I spoke with the owner (or one of the owners) a few years back briefly, and had a few jokes with the mamazan while paying the bill, but it never occurred to me to chat them up. The only thing, I think Spidy is right, Rio is, well, diverse, and you should've taken in more territory than that. But there is always a next trip.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2736047]There is one big difference. In 1993 Garota the Ipanema was very popular among papa-gringos. Lots of girls wanting to hook up with gringos and had sex for free. We used to call them the turma the batata fritas. If you bought them a chop and batata fritas you could be sure to get sex for free.[/QUOTE]Totally true same too if you took them to McDonalds! Happy Days.

-S.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2736282]Thanks for the report and especially your MO at 4 x4. I spoke with the owner (or one of the owners) a few years back briefly, and had a few jokes with the mamazan while paying the bill, but it never occurred to me to chat them up. The only thing, I think Spidy is right, Rio is, well, diverse, and you should've taken in more territory than that. But there is always a next trip.[/QUOTE]Fully agree with you that I should have seen more. I might swing back down there next year. I think if I understood Portuguese, I might have been more adventurous and ventured to more places instead of sticking to a routine.

Is 4 x 4 (Rua Buenos Aires 44) open again. They had a severe fire in late 2019 (three firefighters died). The COVID-19 hit. But it sound like it is open for business again? I will be in Rio in September 2022 for the first time in 4 years.

Obrigado.

[QUOTE=Josht69;2736528]Is 4 x 4 (Rua Buenos Aires 44) open again. They had a severe fire in late 2019 (three firefighters died). The COVID-19 hit. But it sound like it is open for business again? I will be in Rio in September 2022 for the first time in 4 years.

Obrigado.[/QUOTE]Literally 5 posts down you would have seen a fellow member comment about his experience at 4 xv4, that tells me you didn't even try to RTFF.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2734895]It's very easy to make the first move in Brazil, but without Portuguese you are likely going to have a more difficult time. I don't think anyone should get the impression that civilian girls in Brazil are all looking to jump into bed with foreign men. From my experience, Brazil is not as easy as Southeast Asia for making civilian connections.

There are a lot of obvious factors that will impact the probability of success. How young, how attractive and how much game you have will all be factors. Also, the longer you are in Brazil the easier it will be to make civilian connections. This leads me to an often repeated axiom tell the women you will be there for another month even if you are flying home in a few days.

I would not recommend Brazil for a pursuit of strictly non-pros especially with limited language skills. I became chummy with a crew of cool American twentysomethings in my hotel on a Rio trip. They were committed to the pursuit of non-pros. By day two or three with the abundance of pay for play options, they were like "I'm done trying to pick-up girls. I'm going to throw down some cash and get laid."

Go for the pay for play and spend some time chatting up the civilians. Perhaps you will get lucky.[/QUOTE]Cheers Wyatt. I'm sure there will be some P4 P but I do like the chase too! I just don; t like stuck up women so wanted to gauge the state of play. Is the Rio night life scene like Medellin, where you get a night out, dancing drink etc and then a night in with them? Or is it more transactional like the brothels in Lima?

[QUOTE=RioBob;2735070]I like bossa nova at Beco das garrrafas in Copacabana and Vinicius in Ipanema.[/QUOTE]Cheers! Added to the list.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2736058]Everyone else pretty much covered it, I only converted with that one chick I mentioned, the rest were playing hard to get / playing games so I got tired of wasting all my time sweet talking and just stuck to darkroom and the other centro prives. It is pretty easy to get WhatsApp.

I am completely fluent in Portuguese, in my thirties and in shape, dress well, so as always ymmv. ID say it's exactly like picking up girls in the states, but you have the upper hand because when you say you're in Rio for a year for business, they assume you have lots of money which automatically raises your social value to them, they figure you're not some backpacker staying in a hostel trying to pump and dump them for a week.

But yea, if you have to use a translator to talk to non pros, unless you look like Brad Pitt I'd say it's near impossible and the cost (time) would be greater than the reward. That one chick never let me go raw either, which is the whole point of non pros. I have a lot more success in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Cheers dude. It's good to get a feel for the locals, thanks for the info.

[QUOTE=StevenJones;2736874]Cheers Wyatt. I'm sure there will be some P4P but I do like the chase too! I just don; t like stuck up women so wanted to gauge the state of play. Is the Rio night life scene like Medellin, where you get a night out, dancing drink etc and then a night in with them? Or is it more transactional like the brothels in Lima?[/QUOTE]I think you are asking can you party with a working girl in Rio. Yes, this is definitely more possible than picking up civilians. If you find the right vibe with a girl and use a bit of charm it can happen. Several guys here including myself have had turned hooker meet-ups into extended time hanging out.

The take home program hasn't been discussed lately, but the best places to try to connect with a working girl are termas. You have a chance to flirt, charm, etc. And with limited language they already basically know what you want. You can discreetly get their number and ask them what days they are available. Termas 4 x4 is closed weekends and most others are closed Sundays. Fridays at 4 x4 is a good evening to find a girl who will have time to hang out the next two days.

Your best bet is to find an attractive girl who can communicate a bit with you. When there's no communication, she will still come but want to leave in two hours or in the morning.

Most of these working girls appreciate being treated as a date. After sex, invite them to dine or drinks.

I would be glad to meet up with some ISGers at Vinicius in Ipanema.

I am also interested in going to Aussie Coffee which is in Ipanema!

My first trip to Rio de Janeiro, I stayed in Ipanama. I remember a bit tits tight assed anal friendly hoar from Scortshow -- what was her name, white girl, super tight body, nice big ole natural knockers, big nipples to suck on like baby bottles, oh that will get all your freudian mama nipple feeding fantasies going, and then putting it up her willing nasty ass. Oh, I need to look up the pictures.

Sometimes I can find them on archive. Org on the scortshow site.

Damn, Vagabundo must be on about 600 Rio and Brazil hoars, and about 500 cheap Italian hoars from over the border from Lugano, Switzerland, oh my dear switzerland.

So, Ipanema. John Stagliano also filmed some of his great scenes in the Towers in Ipanema.

John Stagliano, now 70.

Raise a toast to Buttmen everywhere, we Swiss Italian Buttmen need to come together out of the lakes there, Lake Como and Lake Lugano, to join the Catholic bishop there in Northern Italy, to ask the powers that be to give those Southern Italians a bar of soap!

It must be the asses that bring together Italian and Brazilian culture.

[QUOTE=StevenJones;2736875]Cheers! Added to the list.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2736919]I think you are asking can you party with a working girl in Rio. Yes, this is definitely more possible than picking up civilians. If you find the right vibe with a girl and use a bit of charm it can happen. Several guys here including myself have had turned hooker meet-ups into extended time hanging out.

The take home program hasn't been discussed lately, but the best places to try to connect with a working girl are termas. You have a chance to flirt, charm, etc. And with limited language they already basically know what you want. You can discreetly get their number and ask them what days they are available. Termas 4 x4 is closed weekends and most others are closed Sundays. Fridays at 4 x4 is a good evening to find a girl who will have time to hang out the next two days.

Your best bet is to find an attractive girl who can communicate a bit with you. When there's no communication, she will still come but want to leave in two hours or in the morning.

Most of these working girls appreciate being treated as a date. After sex, invite them to dine or drinks.[/QUOTE]Totally agree with you WyattEarp. In my years living in Rio, L'Uomo terma was my favorite and I made some great connections there and other termas (Help was another great spot but also gone and never really replaced IMHO). One L'Uomo girl, best f#ck I ever had, we used to hang out a lot, outside the terma. She never asked for money but I gave her some anyway. We went to the movies, bars, restaurants. Just like a regular GF, and we shagged non-stop and had a lot of fun together. Good God, that girl could f#ck! I got into a relationship with a really beautiful regular girl and played Mr. Faithful and lost Luomo girls number in the meantime. Stupidly. When that relationship went south, I couldn't connect with Luomo girl again as she stopped working there. If anyone remembers the L'Uomo leaflet / brouchure / website they had, she was the one on the front. She used to be a major dancer (samba queen) with Beija-Flor samba school too. All these years later, I still remember Luomo girl as the best f#ck I ever had. A really nice person too. She's probably married now and 3 grown up kids, I don't know, but I'll never forget her. The point is, as Wyatt Earp said, termas are great for connecting, you have plenty of time to charm and flirt and know if there is some connection. All the best f#cks I've had are when there is some connection. Eye contact, she initiates etc. Picking up regular girls is much harder in Brazil. Your best bet is make Brazilian friends, male and female, and they'll help you get hooked up if that's what you're after. I'll be in Rio next week and looking forward to visiting a few termas. Just wish Help and L'uomo were still there! I'll put up a few reports here if anyone is interested.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2736919]I think you are asking can you party with a working girl in Rio. Yes, this is definitely more possible than picking up civilians. If you find the right vibe with a girl and use a bit of charm it can happen. Several guys here including myself have had turned hooker meet-ups into extended time hanging out.

The take home program hasn't been discussed lately, but the best places to try to connect with a working girl are termas. You have a chance to flirt, charm, etc. And with limited language they already basically know what you want. You can discreetly get their number and ask them what days they are available. Termas 4 x4 is closed weekends and most others are closed Sundays. Fridays at 4 x4 is a good evening to find a girl who will have time to hang out the next two days.

Your best bet is to find an attractive girl who can communicate a bit with you. When there's no communication, she will still come but want to leave in two hours or in the morning.

Most of these working girls appreciate being treated as a date. After sex, invite them to dine or drinks.[/QUOTE]That sounds ideal, so I read a couple of reports on 4 X4 and it sounds like a lively place. It is interesting to hear that they are closed on the weekend, especially as I (think) I'm only there Friday to Sunday. Are strip clubs similar in timing and pick up opportunity? Any recommendations for great strip clubs would be good too!

I had a couple of great weekend play hook ups in Lima and it was great, amazing sex, great fun and a company to show me the really cool parts of town.

[QUOTE=StevenJones;2737178]That sounds ideal, so I read a couple of reports on 4 X4 and it sounds like a lively place. It is interesting to hear that they are closed on the weekend, especially as I (think) I'm only there Friday to Sunday. Are strip clubs similar in timing and pick up opportunity? Any recommendations for great strip clubs would be good too![/QUOTE]Steven, if you are only going to be in Rio Friday to Sunday, I have to say you are overthinking this. Just go to a the termas Friday and Saturday and hope for the best.

Strip clubs aren't a thing in Brazil. You have apparently decided not to read the forum at all.

Jamile Cortat.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2737118]I would be glad to meet up with some ISGers at Vinicius in Ipanema.

I am also interested in going to Aussie Coffee which is in Ipanema!

My first trip to Rio de Janeiro, I stayed in Ipanama. I remember a bit tits tight assed anal friendly hoar from Scortshow -- what was her name, white girl, super tight body, nice big ole natural knockers, big nipples to suck on like baby bottles, oh that will get all your freudian mama nipple feeding fantasies going, and then putting it up her willing nasty ass. Oh, I need to look up the pictures.

Sometimes I can find them on archive. Org on the scortshow site.

Damn, Vagabundo must be on about 600 Rio and Brazil hoars, and about 500 cheap Italian hoars from over the border from Lugano, Switzerland, oh my dear switzerland.

So, Ipanema. John Stagliano also filmed some of his great scenes in the Towers in Ipanema.

John Stagliano, now 70.

Raise a toast to Buttmen everywhere, we Swiss Italian Buttmen need to come together out of the lakes there, Lake Como and Lake Lugano, to join the Catholic bishop there in Northern Italy, to ask the powers that be to give those Southern Italians a bar of soap!

It must be the asses that bring together Italian and Brazilian culture.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TeddyT6969;2737164]Totally agree with you WyattEarp. In my years living in Rio, L'Uomo terma was my favorite and I made some great connections there and other termas (Help was another great spot but also gone and never really replaced IMHO). One L'Uomo girl, best f#ck I ever had, we used to hang out a lot, outside the terma. She never asked for money but I gave her some anyway. We went to the movies, bars, restaurants. Just like a regular GF, and we shagged non-stop and had a lot of fun together. Good God, that girl could f#ck! I got into a relationship with a really beautiful regular girl and played Mr. Faithful and lost Luomo girls number in the meantime. Stupidly. When that relationship went south, I couldn't connect with Luomo girl again as she stopped working there. If anyone remembers the L'Uomo leaflet / brouchure / website they had, she was the one on the front. She used to be a major dancer (samba queen) with Beija-Flor samba school too. All these years later, I still remember Luomo girl as the best f#ck I ever had. A really nice person too. She's probably married now and 3 grown up kids, I don't know, but I'll never forget her. The point is, as Wyatt Earp said, termas are great for connecting, you have plenty of time to charm and flirt and know if there is some connection. All the best f#cks I've had are when there is some connection. Eye contact, she initiates etc. Picking up regular girls is much harder in Brazil. Your best bet is make Brazilian friends, male and female, and they'll help you get hooked up if that's what you're after. I'll be in Rio next week and looking forward to visiting a few termas. Just wish Help and L'uomo were still there! I'll put up a few reports here if anyone is interested.[/QUOTE]I'm going to take a wild guess and say the L'Uomo girl was Ingird. No?

[QUOTE=BeenBob;2738122]I'm going to take a wild guess and say the L'Uomo girl was Ingird. No?[/QUOTE]Ingrid. Now there is a lady and an ass I will never forget. She was a star.

[QUOTE=BeenBob;2738122]I'm going to take a wild guess and say the L'Uomo girl was Ingird. No?[/QUOTE]No, not Ingrid. Roberta was her L'uomo name, mulata.

Here are some currencies I track, the GBP is also collapsing, pretty much at a 10 year low against USD. JPY is roughly a 40% collapse making selected jap stocks good value. And now is a great time to short the shit out of USA gas bubble bullshit (95% of companies) ! I expect the euro has a long way to drop with self imposed energy crisis and ECB hikes that will not save it. Great times, so much mispricing.

But more importantly is the Price of Pussy (POP) for a 7/10 semi prime in UK, JPY and BRL. By far and away BRL leads the pack in choice and currency. My own field trip surveys show a 45 minute all holes, CIM at about USD25, though in the slums places it can be half or less. I do not have data for Tokyo or London, and I gather a FKK is now about EUR100 but without the sheer choice giggles, sun and surf of Rio. We punters must support the healthy market and help BRL, especially by boycotting the expensive and illegal ho industry in USA with tatooed, drug addled heifers. Rio next week, I aim to massage several girls tonsils on a daily basis that somehow has me grinning like a teenager just thinking about it. Enjoy life to the fullest, you never know when the party could end.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2736058]Everyone else pretty much covered it, I only converted with that one chick I mentioned, the rest were playing hard to get / playing games so I got tired of wasting all my time sweet talking and just stuck to darkroom and the other centro prives. It is pretty easy to get WhatsApp.

I am completely fluent in Portuguese, in my thirties and in shape, dress well, so as always ymmv. ID say it's exactly like picking up girls in the states, but you have the upper hand because when you say you're in Rio for a year for business, they assume you have lots of money which automatically raises your social value to them, they figure you're not some backpacker staying in a hostel trying to pump and dump them for a week.

But yea, if you have to use a translator to talk to non pros, unless you look like Brad Pitt I'd say it's near impossible and the cost (time) would be greater than the reward. That one chick never let me go raw either, which is the whole point of non pros. I have a lot more success in Colombia.[/QUOTE]I've been to Rio twice in the last nine months for about three weeks each trip. Now I know about 1000 words of Portuguese but on my first trip I did not know one single word of Portuguese when I step foot on the plane. I use Google translate on Tinder and had no problem at all picking up regular girls. I actually found that not speaking the same language and a way help because I was forced to use my body language to show I was interested. And I jokingly became very fluent in google translate haha Of course no in Portuguese is a better situation though. And no I'm not Brad Pitt LOL but I am in my 40's and keep it and definitely not shy, but not a cocky egotistical asshole either. I did a mix of pay for play and regular girls, although ended up on my second trip with a girl from 4 x 4 the whole time I met on my first trip. We actually started video chatting every day and that's how I picked up a lot of Portuguese along with studying. I know this is getting op tangent but we're basically in a relationship but she would be upset if she thought I was fucking another girl because it was not my job like her, she honestly a sweet girl but then dynamics of that kind of relationship made it impossible. My advice is to a mixture of both if you have any games but if you want to start something deeper with somebody have it be a regular girl, realize most of them will also at least do some thing like only fans or something similar because they make such little money that it helps supplement their income.

[QUOTE=TeddyT6969;2738187]No, not Ingrid. Roberta was her L'uomo name, mulata.[/QUOTE]Fond memories of both Roberta and Ingrid!

[QUOTE=TravelGuy79;2738394]if you want to start something deeper with somebody have it be a regular girl, realize most of them will also at least do some thing like only fans or something similar because they make such little money that it helps supplement their income.[/QUOTE]LOL. Surely this is a joke. Most normal chicks do something like Only Fans? You do not know Brazil at all.

[QUOTE=TeddyT6969;2738187]No, not Ingrid. Roberta was her L'uomo name, mulata.[/QUOTE]How oldtimers manage to remember the name behind the fuck is beyond me. To me it's all the blur after the first hundred, LOL.

Having said that, I share that nostalgia over Luomo. Loved the joint.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2738479][QUOTE=TeddyT6969;2738187]No, not Ingrid. Roberta was her L'uomo name, mulata.[/QUOTE]

[b]Some memory on you fellas.[/b] How oldtimers manage to remember the name behind the fuck is beyond me. To me it's all the blur after the first hundred, LOL.

Having said that, I share that nostalgia over Luomo. Loved the joint.[/QUOTE]The thing that rings true about why guys vividly remember these GDPs, is I think, in part because they were very good to great at their craft.

Obviously for some, they were legends.

It's hard to forget when the sexual experience, with said GDPs is just that good, time and time again. Considering the "sex prisons" where some of us, were coming from, the freely open, diverse and quality of sex, that was on offer by very beautiful Brazilian women, was just mind blowing for a lot of us dudes, pre-Internet, pre-social media or pre-dating apps...etc.

From the termas and boites, to the prives and VM, we've all listened, heard and encountered, such indelible GDP legends.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2738479]How oldtimers manage to remember the name behind the fuck is beyond me. To me it's all the blur after the first hundred, LOL. Having said that, I share that nostalgia over Luomo. Loved the joint.[/QUOTE]Photos help. The first few are of my own "Ingrid" who worked at 4 X4 (I've seen some posts recently about an "Ingrid" at L'uomo). And speaking of L'uomo, that was my favorite termas to go to on Sundays. Had the best anal sex of my entire life there with "Natasha" in the second set of photos. Damn could those brancas fuck! Including take it in the ass both of them! Whew! Jerk material to this very day! Oh, was that TMI? Sorry hahaha!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2738479]How oldtimers manage to remember the name behind the fuck is beyond me. To me it's all the blur after the first hundred, LOL.[/QUOTE]I do not even ask anyone's name. And if they happen to tell me then it goes in one ear and out the other.

Case in point. Couple weeks ago one night I went on photoacompanhantes and got a chick. No idea what her name was. But I walked to her place on Nossa Senhora. This chick was perfect and showed me just why Brazil hookers are #1 in the world. Absolute GFE. She had the apartment smelling good. And this was an intelligent chick.

She had 2 books on the table. One was Mark Manson's The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck. The other was a book along the same lines by a Brazilian author. I told her that Manson also has a second book that is a runoff from the first. She suggested that I should read the one by the Brazilian author as well.

But what can I say that anybody that has been to Rio does not already know. BBBJ until I made her stop. Condom sex everywhich way but loose. And again total GFE. She tried to get me on the price through. When I asked how much via whatsapp she said 150. I did not call her on it until after I was leaving. I asked why she told me 150 when the price on the site says 130. She said she thought I wanted anal too. So a 20 real ($4) upcharge to fuck her in the ass while cats in other forums are paying an extra $20 to kiss a chick or BBBJ. I did not fuck her in the ass, but she deserved that extra 20 reais anyway. I almost never repeat but I definitely would with her and she is a prime example of why guys fall for some of these girls.

The apartment was nice but I noticed there were not enough things there and it did not actually look lived in. So I asked where she lives. She said that she lives in Jacarepaguá and has 2 kids, but has the apartment in Copacabana for work.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2738479]How oldtimers manage to remember the name behind the fuck is beyond me. To me it's all the blur after the first hundred, LOL.

Having said that, I share that nostalgia over Luomo. Loved the joint.[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah I know what you mean. Thinking back, I remember only 3 names out of over 100. The 3 best fu#ks and had several sessions with them. Names don't matter and usually I forget as soon as they tell me. Don't remember any names of the most recent ones either.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738685]Case in point. Couple weeks ago one night I went on photoacompanhantes and got a chick. No idea what her name was. But I walked to her place on Nossa Senhora. This chick was perfect and showed me just why Brazil hookers are #1 in the world. Absolute GFE. She had the apartment smelling good. And this was an intelligent chick.[/QUOTE]Are you sure you can't remember and help the brothers here out? Perhaps you still have her photoacompanhantes page in your temporary internet files.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2737379]Steven, if you are only going to be in Rio Friday to Sunday, I have to say you are overthinking this. Just go to a the termas Friday and Saturday and hope for the best.

Strip clubs aren't a thing in Brazil. You have apparently decided not to read the forum at all.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I had a read but I didn't do a deep dive.

Cheers for the info.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2738479]How oldtimers manage to remember the name behind the fuck is beyond me. To me it's all the blur after the first hundred, LOL.

Having said that, I share that nostalgia over Luomo. Loved the joint.[/QUOTE]I rarely remember names but for some reason those two I do and even then I wouldn't have unless someone brought them up. Both were very good. It's crazy. I've been many times to Brasil, Colombia, Cuba, DR, etc. But virtually all my truly memorable experiences are from Brasil.

I'm down in Rio right now. I've been having a great time at several of the prives in Copacabana and Centro. I see that all of the ones I've been frequenting are closed on Sunday. Where might a fellow look for some Sunday action?

Rock in Rio started yesterday and finish 11: th of September. Besides the shows it's probably a good place to pick up regular girls.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738685]I do not even ask anyone's name. And if they happen to tell me then it goes in one ear and out the other.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=TeddyT6969;2738856]LOL, yeah I know what you mean. Thinking back, I remember only 3 names out of over 100. The 3 best fu#ks and had several sessions with them. Names don't matter and usually I forget as soon as they tell me. Don't remember any names of the most recent ones either.[/QUOTE]I'm the same way. It also doesn't help that they always use stage names, so whatever. . . Kkkk. When I think I might want a repeat, Zap is all I need.

[QUOTE=Combo;2738964]I rarely remember names but for some reason those two I do and even then I wouldn't have unless someone brought them up. Both were very good. It's crazy. I've been many times to Brasil, Colombia, Cuba, DR, etc. But virtually all my truly memorable experiences are from Brasil.[/QUOTE]Yep. While I haven't been everywhere, there is probably no other country where great sessions are a norm. Hell, even an average encounter in Brazil would be considered good elsewhere. We're blessed and spoiled, in this order.

I bad about getting reports done so thought I would do a quick 2 min drill. Landed Friday too tired from 20 hours of travel to hit the prive's so went into 4 x4 guns loaded. Arrived at 7:30 and place was pretty full only a couple seats available, but guys and girls move in and out so was fine. I thought selection was pretty good, some of the tiny nymph things I like, some with more curves, silicon, non-silicon, basically something for everyone. Sessioned twice and closed the place down, think we were the last 2 out the door about 1 am. Both girls were winners, no complaints, though neither was up for the ass, but should have tried negotiating before committing.

Saturday just relaxed around copa, made solarium around 7:45, place was also pretty full, but possible to find a seat in a few minutes. I didn't like the selection as much. First I think I was getting bit pickier after one night in but also just not as much to my taste. However it was definitely still not a problem to find something. Had good 3-4 targets I debated over before finally committing. Used just a regular room and those beds are really quiet small, its a bit like reliving your university years and screwing on a single bed against a wall. I had spoiled myself and the girls by taking the supreme / superior rooms at 4 x4 (think they are 480 brl). Headed back to copa to catch the american football game and decided I was up for any more chit chat and called it.

Sunday, just finished a delivery from barra, was ok, nothing great. Broke one of my rules which is only girls with videos and ones you can see the midsection and this wasn't near the taught middle her photos suggested. Performance was fine though so was good for afternoon snack. Have a repeat girl who used to work at 4 x4 tonight should be quality. Happy hunting all.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2738675]Photos help. The first few are of my own "Ingrid" who worked at 4 X4 (I've seen some posts recently about an "Ingrid" at L'uomo). And speaking of L'uomo, that was my favorite termas to go to on Sundays. Had the best anal sex of my entire life there with "Natasha" in the second set of photos. Damn could those brancas fuck! Including take it in the ass both of them! Whew! Jerk material to this very day! Oh, was that TMI? Sorry hahaha![/QUOTE]2 of the greatest girls I ever been with were from Luomo. God I missed that place. Why it closed is beyond me.

[QUOTE=TjBrazil;2740059]2 of the greatest girls I ever been with were from Luomo. God I missed that place. Why it closed is beyond me.[/QUOTE]What I heard at the time was that it was as simple as not being able to renew the lease with the landlord.

Darkroom, 116,4 x4 -- festa for Halloween, sports events like superbowl.

Darkroom, 116,4 x4.

Monday of a holiday week, Vagabundo took the 14 h20 bus to centro from Transamerica, thus saving $50 reais, which he promptly invested in some pussy.

He mongered over to [URL]Darkroom.com.br[/URL]. He chose one of the usual suspects, and we fucked for 30 minutes, then she gave a good massage, then we sucked again, and started fucking but the front desk robbed our hero of 10 minutes, but he did not protest. I mean, 40 USD, what a deal. Cardio, massage. You can't beat the value with a stick, and given the economics of the Rich World, it is a fraction of a few basis points of what your financial accounts do in the markets when they are open. The venue is very nice, at [URL]Darkroom.com.br[/URL]. There are open windows overlooking the mountains, facing West, the real Rio, overlooking the city hall at central. The cost there for an hour is $150 r.

Then Vagabundo mongered over to Starbucks, and found a bookstore with english books, shopped, and then having linked up via zap (whatsapp) with some ISG wingmen in town, he started over to 116 and 4 x4. At 116, the brown and black asses on offer were superb. Real [URL]wefuckblackgirls.com[/URL] quality. They remember everything, and one of them came over and said she was a friend of Nicole, a preta magrinha, and we chatted, over the mr catra funk, about that preta magrinha, and she remembered me, and I told her to give my best to Nicole, whom I remember screaming out in ecstacy, "Te amo Nicole" down those halls in 116, which elicits laughter from the locals, and I want that negra pussy and ass again. She is such a tease.

Well, wingman was on the road, so Vagabundo patrolled over to 4 x4. First, he went to Club 21, which is at Rua Buenos Aires 21, where the entrada is 10 reais. There, a magrinha pretinha bundinha of Kira Noir quality was on offer. OK, I take a break here to teach you all the Portuguese you need. Eita! Poxa! Caralho! These are practically challend and password on carnival at the beach, as in, you say one of those words, and another Brazilian says the other word. Those words are also de facto comedy genius out of the mouth of a gringo, which I will always be if I live 500 years and get a Ph. The in portoguese. But laughter is good. It breaks the ice. When the hottest ass at Solarium or 116 shows you her asshole and pussy, you should scream out, Eita! Which also translates at that is great ass, I want to slide my peperoni into your anal passage.

I digress.

I linked up with wingman at 4 x4. The cover has been raised to 60 reais. The talent is top shelf, as always.

Oh, by the way DJ Vagabundo will gladly set up festas for halloween, or for superbowl like events. At 4 x4. At Mosaico. At Perola Negra. Just any two ISGers, let me know. Ferfuckssake, we can do a frigging Honkytonk night with Toby Keith if we have some paying customers, but the girls will likely prefer 50 cent. The Cowboy / Gaucho stuff would probably go over better in Perola Negra / Barra, where as the 50 cent stuff would go over better in centro at 4 x4 and 116, but let me know.

So Vagabundo followed his normal MO, which has been documented here well, so won't repeat.

It is good to hangout with quality wingmen.

Monger on fellas. Life is short. No one ever regrets getting laid as much as possible on your deathbed; they regret working too hard for goals that mean nothing, like conforming to some puritanical pussy prison protocols!

Went to 4 x4 around 10 PM. Maybe about 20 girls, not many customers, all the reserve tables were occupied but that was about it. There maybe 3 or 4 other customers. I guess the A team was not working that night so I left after an expensive drink if cover (60) is added. LOL This is my favorite place but not tonight.

I headed toward the other side. Had a hot dog for 10 BRL.

Is that place right before the secret terma new? I went in, climbed up the wooden stairs and there were two girls with customers.

Went to secret terma, kind of empty, but more customers than girls. It still has best looking negras but all were occupied. I think the ordering procedure has changed. Now you need to go to the counter outside to buy a token to exchange for drink. One beer is 8 BRL.

210 was the same, more customers than girls. Also went by MV30, the same

Two of the three (02,03, 04) unnamed termas near the night time soup place maybe closed.

Not the same day, it seems darkroom removed the lowest cost 10 minutes option.

[QUOTE=MichaelSamuel;2739686]I bad about getting reports done so thought I would do a quick 2 min drill. Landed Friday too tired from 20 hours of travel to hit the prive's so went into 4 x4 guns loaded. Arrived at 7:30 and place was pretty full only a couple seats available, but guys and girls move in and out so was fine. I thought selection was pretty good, some of the tiny nymph things I like, some with more curves, silicon, non-silicon, basically something for everyone. Sessioned twice and closed the place down, think we were the last 2 out the door about 1 am. Both girls were winners, no complaints, though neither was up for the ass, but should have tried negotiating before committing.

Saturday just relaxed around copa, made solarium around 7:45, place was also pretty full, but possible to find a seat in a few minutes. I didn't like the selection as much. First I think I was getting bit pickier after one night in but also just not as much to my taste. However it was definitely still not a problem to find something. Had good 3-4 targets I debated over before finally committing. Used just a regular room and those beds are really quiet small, its a bit like reliving your university years and screwing on a single bed against a wall. I had spoiled myself and the girls by taking the supreme / superior rooms at 4 x4 (think they are 480 brl). Headed back to copa to catch the american football game and decided I was up for any more chit chat and called it.[/QUOTE]Wow are you me? I did the same exact thing on Friday and Saturday so I guess I don't need to write a report anymore. Friday had some talent at 4 x 4 but not much, more than half the girls there are too old or look like they're been in the game too long or both. That left maybe 5 doable girls at most. I went with a nice Colombiana which defeats the purpose of coming all the way out here when I was just in Medellin. But she had good service even though she didn't have enough meat on her bones for my taste. She convinced me to go with the better room for 480 an hour (the basic room is 420 an hour but I have no idea what the difference is still) and I'm glad I did because it had a shower which was nice.

Went to Solarium after the futebol games on Saturday night and the talent was disappointing, especially after hearing all the good things about it on here and seeing the talent at 4 x 4 the last night. Less girls than 4 x4, maybe about 20 or 25, and only about maybe 2 or 3 were doable. Rest were too old or just not that attractive. Ended up with a darker Brazilian who had decent service, nothing amazing but nothing to complain about, and I just wasn't that into her, I should have been more patient but I was ready to leave and already paid for the room. Quick question, do you have to pay for a session when you arrive? I don't know why but for some reason it felt like you had to pay for a session beforehand when you enter but after I left I realized maybe I could have just paid for the entry fee and drinks. Also, there's an upcharge for using a credit card or discount for using cash however you want to see it. The nice thing about 4 x4 is the cash price and credit price were the exact same.

Speaking of price, it was funny there was some black gringo at 4 x4 talking with the manager at the front desk really pushing hard to get a discount on a bottle. Normally the bottle was 370 brl but that guy just kept pestering the only English speaking front desk guy to give him a discount for some reason. He was finally able to get it down to 300 so I guess everything is negotiable out here. I don't know, just seeing that kind of left a bad taste in my mouth but maybe that's just me.

One other quick question: does anyone use a chase debit card out here? The only ATM's that work for me are Bradesco and Santander, and for some reason my ATM fees don't get refunded by them. I've tried Itau and Banco do Brazil but I can't even get money from those atms at all. Just wondering if anyone has better luck at any other banks out here.

[QUOTE=MSanchez;2740389]Wow are you me? I did the same exact thing on Friday and Saturday so I guess I don't need to write a report anymore. Friday had some talent at 4 x 4 but not much, more than half the girls there are too old or look like they're been in the game too long or both. That left maybe 5 doable girls at most. I went with a nice Colombiana which defeats the purpose of coming all the way out here when I was just in Medellin. But she had good service even though she didn't have enough meat on her bones for my taste. She convinced me to go with the better room for 480 an hour (the basic room is 420 an hour but I have no idea what the difference is still) and I'm glad I did because it had a shower which was nice.

Went to Solarium after the futebol games on Saturday night and the talent was disappointing, especially after hearing all the good things about it on here and seeing the talent at 4 x 4 the last night. Less girls than 4 x4, maybe about 20 or 25, and only about maybe 2 or 3 were doable. Rest were too old or just not that attractive. Ended up with a darker Brazilian who had decent service, nothing amazing but nothing to complain about, and I just wasn't that into her, I should have been more patient but I was ready to leave and already paid for the room. Quick question, do you have to pay for a session when you arrive? I don't know why but for some reason it felt like you had to pay for a session beforehand when you enter but after I left I realized maybe I could have just paid for the entry fee and drinks. Also, there's an upcharge for using a credit card or discount for using cash however you want to see it. The nice thing about 4 x4 is the cash price and credit price were the exact same..[/QUOTE]1. No, you don't have to do the programma at 4 x 4 or any other terma. Most dudes come there are for drinks and ass-grabbing.

2. Chase debit cards never failed me in Brazil when I used them years ago, but I've never heard of them refunding ATM fees. Are you sure about that? The only cards I use abroad nowadays is Schwab and Aspiration, but Aspiration more like a spare because they charge 1%.

I would really like to move to Rio in the next six months, I would be coming on a student visa and switching over to an investor Visa after a couple years. The problem I'm running into is that it seems like you have to have proof of employment and two Brazilian co-signers with the financial backing to cosign for you. I have enough assets to retire on and probably won't work for a year or two except for investment income. From what I'm reading it seems almost impossible to rent an apartment without cosigners and definitely without a job even if I have plenty of assets to pay my rent 100 times over. For those ex-pats living in Rio what did you do? There is the option of Airbnb but there's no way I'm doing that it's way overpriced for more than a few weeks stay. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2740172]Life is short. No one ever regrets getting laid as much as possible on your deathbed; they regret working too hard for goals that mean nothing, like conforming to some puritanical pussy prison protocols![/QUOTE]Wow! True words of wisdom!! This message should be printed as the initial passage of every Psychology 101 text book and every student shall be forced to recite it before he is allowed the look the professor in the eyes. Bravo!

Quick cap of my time here. I like the trash clubs in Centro and Vila Mimosa. A little background, I stayed here in Rio last year for 5 months straight, did the exact same thing as now, trash clubs Vila mimosa. I stayed with a Brazilian lady whose rent was only $200 USD a month (this is how and why I decided to stay 6 months last year, it was actually cheaper to stay with her than to go back to LA). I'm staying with her again this trip she cooks clean and doesn't mind me going out boning other women. In the now 5 months staying with her she never asked where I'm going or questioned me coming back to the apartment everyday at 1 am. Nice setup.

I like petite fit model type girls. I'm really into faces, I like a really pretty girl. Traditional model types. There's a girl name Livia that works at Onyx. That's my type. They have a website you can find there lineup. Session with her, very good soft feminine smiling chatty girl. I like her. I love watching her suck that meat. I love a pretty face sucking me. Onyx has a nice lineup. But I only session once (with the girl Livia). R200 1 hour. So like I said I like trash clubs I visit 210,116, and 13. Pretty much cycle through them clubs. Prices are at about R70-80 20-30 minute sessions. I only do 20 minute sessions. I'm the guy that searches for gold in trash spots. Found a girl I like at 210. Light skin curly hair sexy. Nice time with her. She also works at 13 (near dark room). 13 has nice talent. A really nice girl with her lip pierced again light skin curly hair. I'll go back for her tomorrow didn't feel like boning her today. Idk I don't like sessioning with a girl directly after another guy. I don't care if she had other clients before me that day hell 2-3-4 whatever but when I see her get chose by another dude I be thinking like "damn that coochie gta air out a little" before I go with her. Estranho andé? LOL.

Alright so 116 got a black girl with a nice ass booty in there right now. Boned her today (I usually bone 2-3 girls a day). Nice times. Inside the club area she told me she doesn't suck without a condom. I told her I love it and when we got to the room she changed her mind. Good coochie and mouth. Def work a visit. She got a damn near perfect body. And nice face. Cool chick. Tore her ass up. I like to fuck these girls good. Not just bend them over and crash out. Quick side note (actually very important side note) language. My first 5 months here I never tried to study the language. The lady I stay with speaks English so I never practiced. After I started to study Portuguese hard in June. 3-4 hours a day. Dude it's like night and day the service I get from them girls now this trip. You MUST talk to the girl a bit. You have to ask specifically the things you want from her. Everything should be discussed. My first trip here I barely would get blowjobs from the girls because I never interviewed or asked questions initially. I would just walk up and say "Quer um quarto comigo" want a room with me. And we would go. No I ask a lot of questions well not a lot just the shit I care about. "Chupa sem camise."

Chase does refund ATM fees for Sapphire and Chase Private Client accounts. I've gotten ALL my ATM withdrawals in Brazil (SP and Rio) from my Chase accounts (100+ transactions) refunded in full. And a few of the fees were $50+ USD due to the ATM charging an ATM fee based on a % of the withdrawal amount.

I also try to use Bradesco and Satander ATMs whenever possible.

[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2740868]Chase does refund ATM fees for Sapphire and Chase Private Client accounts. I've gotten ALL my ATM withdrawals in Brazil (SP and Rio) from my Chase accounts (100+ transactions) refunded in full. And a few of the fees were $50+ USD due to the ATM charging an ATM fee based on a % of the withdrawal amount. [/QUOTE]I used to have a Sapphire Preferred Credit Card with 3% pts on dining and 2% pts on travel. What I really liked was the 60,000 pt sign up bonus which paid for $600 worth of nights at 5-star Bangkok & Jakarta Hotels at the time. But I canceled my card after I used all my points due to the $95/ year annual fee and the fact that I was just not using the card enough to justify the annual fee.

My everyday card of choice is the Capital One Venture Card with 2% pts on all purchases. That comes with an annual fee too, but the pts is simple to calculate and even simpler to use for reimbursements on any purchase. ANY PURCHASE.

But I still have my eye on getting another Sapphire 60,000 pt sign up bonus. KKK. I am eligible to reapply for a new Sapphire card in 12 months (48 months after I canceled my old card). The refund on ATM withdrawal fees is a very nice feature, but does not Chase charge immediate interest on the cash withdrawal (advance)? After all this is not a checking account. You are in effect borrowing the money from Chase. And don't Chase Private Client accounts have a pretty high minimum balance to maintain?

In any case, I think the Schwab Debit card with no annual fees and no minimum checking balance requirements is still numero uno for cash disbursements abroad. The big risk is losing the card somehow while on the road. My back up is to bring along $1000 to $2000 cash reserves plus my regular Wells Fargo Debit Card which will charge ATM fees, ect, ect. But I will only use the WF Debit Card in an emergency because no matter what happens I want to keep the party going when I am on the road.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2740899]But I still have my eye on getting another Sapphire 60,000 pt sign up bonus. KKK. I am eligible to reapply for a new Sapphire card in 12 months (48 months after I canceled my old card). The refund on ATM withdrawal fees is a very nice feature, but does not Chase charge immediate interest on the cash withdrawal (advance)? After all this is not a checking account. You are in effect borrowing the money from Chase. And don't Chase Private Client accounts have a pretty high minimum balance to maintain?.[/QUOTE]I did a little digging after reading the SocratesNY post. What he means is Sapphire banking account, not Chase Sapphire Preferred credit card. I have this card, and it doesn't do anything in terms of ATM fee refund. Just like most other credit cards it starts accruing interest right away and charges the cash advance fee too. The Sapphire banking account does indeed have this benefit, but requires a $75,000 deposit, otherwise it's $25 a month. Kind of defeats the purpose.

Schwab is the way to go.

Are there fee free ATMs in Brazil? And what is the dalily transaction limite?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2741174]Are there fee free ATMs in Brazil? And what is the dalily transaction limite?[/QUOTE]My suggestion is to open a Schwab checking account. The ATM card reimburses you for all international ATM fees.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2740999]I did a little digging after reading the SocratesNY post. What he means is Sapphire banking account, not Chase Sapphire Preferred credit card. I have this card, and it doesn't do anything in terms of ATM fee refund. Just like most other credit cards it starts accruing interest right away and charges the cash advance fee too. The Sapphire banking account does indeed have this benefit, but requires a $75,000 deposit, otherwise it's $25 a month. Kind of defeats the purpose.

Schwab is the way to go.[/QUOTE]Most of the upper tier checking account waive ATM fees if you have large amount of money with them. Wells Fargo has the same thing with their Premiere checking account and so does Morgan Stanley. Only bank I know that waive your ATM fees worldwide with no requirement, and doesn't charge you a monthly maintenance fee is CS.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2741241]Most of the upper tier checking account waive ATM fees if you have large amount of money with them. Wells Fargo has the same thing with their Premiere checking account and so does Morgan Stanley. Only bank I know that waive your ATM fees worldwide with no requirement, and doesn't charge you a monthly maintenance fee is CS.[/QUOTE]Yep. And the second one is Aspiration, although, like I said, they sneak in a 1% Forex fee without announcing it directly. I recommend both cards for Brazil where there're often ridiculous daily limits.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2741174]Are there fee free ATMs in Brazil? And what is the dalily transaction limite?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.creditkarma.com/credit-cards/i/no-fee-debit-cards-for-international-travel#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20foreign%20exchange%20transaction%20fees%20if,has%20a%20variable%20annual%20percentage%20yield%20of%200.13%25.[/URL]

First Republic Bank debit card has the same deal as the Schwab debit card. I use both of them.

Vagabundo headed over to Darkroom today. He banged Laura, a pretty white girl with nice ripe tits, and a full bunda, for the 80 reais half hour Saturday special. Good BBBJ, all positions. Forgot to get a massage. Lasted just a quick 15 minutes. Homegirl was sick this week. Good to have the option for a $16 USD fuck. Vagabundo also went over to Emporio do Banho where there were 4 girls, including India, a hot morena.

Links to videos of girls you have fucked in the ass at 4 x4 or Rio with her name and proof of anal penetration.

[URL]https://youtu.be/N46x3_cObxM[/URL]

I, being Vagabundo, do hereby swear that I fucked that redhead in the ass. Her name was Kethleen, and she worked at 4 x4. I also met her at Club Mix Bar, nearby, where there was a social night for mongers, which we need to do again.

/ s / Vagabundo, Commanding Officer, Swiss Navy brand.

[QUOTE=TravelGuy79;2740645]I would really like to move to Rio in the next six months, I would be coming on a student visa and switching over to an investor Visa after a couple years. The problem I'm running into is that it seems like you have to have proof of employment and two Brazilian co-signers with the financial backing to cosign for you. I have enough assets to retire on and probably won't work for a year or two except for investment income. From what I'm reading it seems almost impossible to rent an apartment without cosigners and definitely without a job even if I have plenty of assets to pay my rent 100 times over. For those ex-pats living in Rio what did you do? There is the option of Airbnb but there's no way I'm doing that it's way overpriced for more than a few weeks stay. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Apply for a retirement visa. That'll get you CPF and RNE. Then find an apartment you like through QAndar. They have some insurance solutions instead of co-signers. VivaReal is also a good site. But. Rentals are in big demand right now, it's not easy.

Consider buying if you have the cash. Prices, especially when priced in USD are at generational lows. You get a Big Bang for your buck. But you need to pay cash, mortgage financing in Brazil is almost impossible for a foreigner.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2740113]What I heard at the time was that it was as simple as not being able to renew the lease with the landlord.[/QUOTE]I too miss L'Uomo. It had the hottest garotas and IMHO the best setup. And free food. I also really miss Balcony Bar. I actually liked it better than Helpe, great atmosphere even if you weren't there to monger (which I usually was). It was just so free and easy.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2735070]I like bossa nova at Beco das garrrafas in Copacabana and Vinicius in Ipanema.[/QUOTE]I can second that. Great little club with first rate musicians. And they're opening a second venue right beside it. It's right across from Casablanca in the alley.

Any Las Vegas Raiders fans here? I would love to establish a regular watering hole location to get together and watch the games. I guess Mab's is the obvious choice, but if there's enough of us we could prolly find an alternative.

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2742880]Any Las Vegas Raiders fans here? I would love to establish a regular watering hole location to get together and watch the games. I guess Mab's is the obvious choice, but if there's enough of us we could prolly find an alternative.[/QUOTE]Does Mabs show all the American football games? Any suggestions for venues that show the NFL games on Sunday?

[QUOTE=Shamester;2742990]Does Mabs show all the American football games? Any suggestions for venues that show the NFL games on Sunday?[/QUOTE]I do not know about all. There is only 1 TV. Usually there is an old basketball game or something on it at night. I think they did show the superbowl though. You will probably be able to get some type of ESPN (Brazilian edition) in your Airbnb. I can just imagine the Brazilian equivalent of ISG and guys going to Texas asking where they can catch the Flamengos match.

So I just finished my first day in Rio and I've already fallen in love with this city. In the morning I went for a walk along the beach then went to RioSul shopping center to get a sim card with data and grab some food. I headed to 4 x 4 in the afternoon, got there around 3 pm and made my way inside. The receptionist could tell it was my first time and explained the prices etc. I was quite nervous and excited, felt like being a kid in Disneyland seeing so many women with insane bodies casually walking around the place. I got a drink from the bar and sat down, a couple of girls came and talked to me but I had my eye on one girl I had seen with a crazy body so I asked her to come talk to me. Went with her to a room for an hour and my mind was blown. Amazing sex compared to the service I'm used to back home in London.

After that I spent a while chilling in the bar, got talking to a young girl who spoke very good English and looked a lot like Eliza Ibarra. We talked for quite a while and I kind of wanted to choose a different girl but I felt like I should go with this one after talking to her for so long even though she wasn't my usual type. How do you guys deal with letting a girl know you aren't that interested? Is it rude to keep talking casually to a girl if you prefer to go with a different girl? Anyway I had a fun 30 minutes with her then left around 8 pm. The time went so fast I didn't realize I was there almost 5 hours.

Tomorrow I think I will check out one or two Prives. Anyone got a good recommendation for a newbie? I've heard good things about Dark Room so may check that out. If the rest of my stay here is as much fun as my first day, I will definitely be coming back ASAP!

The only negative thing so far was I got scammed for 150 reals by a taxi driver who took me from the airport to the hotel. It's my own fault for not using Uber, I'll only use Uber from now on for the rest of the trip.

Also I wish I had spent more time learning some Portuguese before coming out!

[QUOTE=Shamester;2742990]Does Mabs show all the American football games? Any suggestions for venues that show the NFL games on Sunday?[/QUOTE]Shenanigans and Lord John (formerly Lord Jim) in Ipanema, but they only open at 6 pm, games start at 2 pm. Mabs is prolly the only place open and they're only set up to show 2 or 3 games. Redzone might be an option. Raiders games are mostly late start because they are Western time zone. Mud Bug was great but closed during the pandemic.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2743123]After that I spent a while chilling in the bar, got talking to a young girl who spoke very good English and looked a lot like Eliza Ibarra. We talked for quite a while and I kind of wanted to choose a different girl but I felt like I should go with this one after talking to her for so long even though she wasn't my usual type. How do you guys deal with letting a girl know you aren't that interested? Is it rude to keep talking casually to a girl if you prefer to go with a different girl? Anyway I had a fun 30 minutes with her then left around 8 pm. The time went so fast I didn't realize I was there almost 5 hours.[/QUOTE]I personally won't talk a long time with a girl unless I am interested in taking for a session. If a girl I am attracted to is cool hanging out, I feel I am better off taking her to the cabine. Certainly my eyes might wonder around the termas, but having already established rapport is a very good thing. If you see a hot girl after you come back from a session, you can always strike up a conversation and get her phone number.

There are various ways to lose a clingy termas girl. There are several places that they are not allowed. Just get up and say you want to look around. Or say you are going to the locker room.

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2743236]Shenanigans and Lord John (formerly Lord Jim) in Ipanema, but they only open at 6 pm, games start at 2 pm. Mabs is prolly the only place open and they're only set up to show 2 or 3 games. Redzone might be an option. Raiders games are mostly late start because they are Western time zone. Mud Bug was great but closed during the pandemic.[/QUOTE]What about Blue Agave?

[QUOTE=Thor91;2743123]So I just finished my first day in Rio and I've already fallen in love with this city. In the morning I went for a walk along the beach then went to RioSul shopping center to get a sim card with data and grab some food. I headed to 4 x 4 in the afternoon, got there around 3 pm and made my way inside. The receptionist could tell it was my first time and explained the prices etc. I was quite nervous and excited, felt like being a kid in Disneyland seeing so many women with insane bodies casually walking around the place. I got a drink from the bar and sat down, a couple of girls came and talked to me but I had my eye on one girl I had seen with a crazy body so I asked her to come talk to me. Went with her to a room for an hour and my mind was blown. Amazing sex compared to the service I'm used to back home in London.

After that I spent a while chilling in the bar, got talking to a young girl who spoke very good English and looked a lot like Eliza Ibarra. We talked for quite a while and I kind of wanted to choose a different girl but I felt like I should go with this one after talking to her for so long even though she wasn't my usual type. How do you guys deal with letting a girl know you aren't that interested? Is it rude to keep talking casually to a girl if you prefer to go with a different girl? Anyway I had a fun 30 minutes with her then left around 8 pm. The time went so fast I didn't realize I was there almost 5 hours..[/QUOTE]A local suggests Onix Therapies.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2743123]
Tomorrow I think I will check out one or two Prives. Anyone got a good recommendation for a newbie? I've heard good things about Dark Room so may check that out. If the rest of my stay here is as much fun as my first day, I will definitely be coming back ASAP!

The only negative thing so far was I got scammed for 150 reals by a taxi driver who took me from the airport to the hotel. It's my own fault for not using Uber, I'll only use Uber from now on for the rest of the trip.

Also I wish I had spent more time learning some Portuguese before coming out![/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write your report. Dark Room is a great place, as are Onix, Bel Prazer, Massagem Tijuca and many others. Check this forum for reviews or better yet [URL]gparena.net[/URL] to find some universally praised "terapistas".

150 from GIG is on a high side if your base is in Copa. I think it should be about 70-80 or something like that. Use metered cabs when you can't get Uber and keep in mind that 100-real bills are similar to 2 reals, and they're good at switching. Most cabbies in Rio are fine, but some rotten apples here and there.

Thanks for the suggestions below, I will probably check out Onix tomorrow. Today I started off with a visit to DarkRoom around 3 pm. Thankfully I had written down directions from this thread otherwise I would have struggled to find it. I was a bit disappointed with the lineup and I only liked one of the girls out of 5 - a young dark skinned black girl with a pretty face and braces. The room was pretty small and the bathroom very small but for are $150 for 1 hour with a cute girl the value is very good.

After DarkRoom I went to 4 x4 again, spent some time at the bar and eventually chose a dark skinned girl with short hair, tattoos and a big natural butt. The kind of girl you might see in a rap video. I forgot to ask about services beforehand and in the room she was saying she would only do BBBJ with a condom which was super disappointing but luckily she changed her mind and did it without anyway. I had a good time with her but my first session yesterday was even better. I think I'll try to take a bit more time between sessions in future so I have more stamina for the second one.

The first two days have been a blur but Rio has definitely exceeded my expectations so far!

Mosaico Sundays, 4 x 4 Mondays! American Football!

We will get a schedule.

Please say which games you want to watch a week or more in advance and we will set it up!

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2743236]Shenanigans and Lord John (formerly Lord Jim) in Ipanema, but they only open at 6 pm, games start at 2 pm. Mabs is prolly the only place open and they're only set up to show 2 or 3 games. Redzone might be an option. Raiders games are mostly late start because they are Western time zone. Mud Bug was great but closed during the pandemic.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thor91;2743123]So I just finished my first day in Rio and I've already fallen in love with this city. In the morning I went for a walk along the beach then went to RioSul shopping center to get a sim card with data and grab some food. I headed to 4 x 4 in the afternoon, got there around 3 pm and made my way inside. The receptionist could tell it was my first time and explained the prices etc. I was quite nervous and excited, felt like being a kid in Disneyland seeing so many women with insane bodies casually walking around the place. I got a drink from the bar and sat down, a couple of girls came and talked to me but I had my eye on one girl I had seen with a crazy body so I asked her to come talk to me. Went with her to a room for an hour and my mind was blown. Amazing sex compared to the service I'm used to back home in London.

After that I spent a while chilling in the bar, got talking to a young girl who spoke very good English and looked a lot like Eliza Ibarra. We talked for quite a while and I kind of wanted to choose a different girl but I felt like I should go with this one after talking to her for so long even though she wasn't my usual type. How do you guys deal with letting a girl know you aren't that interested? Is it rude to keep talking casually to a girl if you prefer to go with a different girl? Anyway I had a fun 30 minutes with her then left around 8 pm. The time went so fast I didn't realize I was there almost 5 hours.

Tomorrow I think I will check out one or two Prives. Anyone got a good recommendation for a newbie? I've heard good things about Dark Room so may check that out. If the rest of my stay here is as much fun as my first day, I will definitely be coming back ASAP![/QUOTE]I think I saw you in there (Was it on Tuesday?) I would have been sitting across from you for a while talking to a morena. I sessioned with Sofia then Izabel, both ok but nothing to write home about. I did have my eye on a mulata with a cracking body. Next time. As usual, I can't have manners and just go home, so I went to Dolce Vita in Copa. Help disco is badly missed, but I picked up 2 little spinner friends from the north of Brazil and went for a threesome in the Lido motel. Great night. Enjoy the rest of your stay!

[QUOTE=Shamester;2743343]What about Blue Agave?[/QUOTE]R. I. P. Was a good place to catch a game. If I remember correctly the owner was a Steelers fan. I think I'll make my way down to Mabs tonight to watch Chargers / Chiefs.

Got to 4 x4 around 430 yesterday afternoon. My agent negotiated with front desk for the entry to be consumable. Put my suitcase in the locker area and went inside to get a beer.

The girl selection was bad. And lots of dudes sitting around. We decided to wait it out. Girls started to come in around 530 and I found a nice little spinner who was my type but she was coming on strong and we negotiated a price to go with me for the night. There was confusion between us as to what I was to going to pay and what she wanted to receive. She wanted more than a Scandello girl for the night total so I was like nope. Thinking about it, I am glad it didn't work out. She bagged two guys within an hour and I didn't see her all night after that. She got her work done and left for the night. I think I would have been disappointed with her performance in the room.

Sat around for a bit and saw a nice little spinner mixed Japa whom I invited to talk. We started talking and found out she was 19 (20 in October) and she was a bit timid. Perfectly my type. I don't like girls who come on strong. I feel that if they come on strong early. They diminish quick later.

We agreed to a deal for overnight (I hate fucking in the rooms at 4 x4. Personal choice) and she kissed well and said no anal. Unfortunately, I wanted anal but I also wanted to check off a Japa so I went with the latter. Checked in to the hotel and went to dinner at a small Italian joint.

Performance in the bed was so-so. She kissed well, decent BBBJ, but didn't want DATY which I refused to follow. Made her come in DATY and then put she put on the condom and then it went downhill. She was so fucking worried about the condom slipping off, she kept her hand at the base holding it. I was like WTF. I was telling her to relax but she wouldn't and after I finished. She examined the condom up close to make sure it didn't leak. Can't blame her for being too careful but this was a first for me. Same thing in the morning when she was ready to leave.

A decent night overall. But it could have been better. Looking forward to Scandello tonight so hope my luck improves.

On a side note, I walked thru Centro in the afternoon with my suitcase and backpack dressed in a pair of safari pants and a regular t-shirt. Nothing with any Brazil sports team or fire fighter or lifeguard patches. Didn't carry stun / flashlight combo and no hidden knives in my belt. Spoke my Texan Portuguese and Spanish mix so didn't need to take out my phone to use the translator app in the club. Exiting the club, I just grabbed a taxi who was waiting downstairs and came to the hotel.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2743511]Mosaico Sundays, 4 x 4 Mondays! American Football!

We will get a schedule.

Please say which games you want to watch a week or more in advance and we will set it up![/QUOTE]That rocks! I will always request the Raiders when they're playing. Mosaico starting at 2 pm?

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2743674]Got to 4 x4 around 430 yesterday afternoon. My [b]agent[/b] negotiated with front desk for the entry to be consumable. [/QUOTE]Sorry, your "who" negotiated, LOLOL?

Also, did (s) he negotiate with an older lady with good English or the young one who seems to be running the girls?

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2743703]That rocks! I will always request the Raiders when they're playing. Mosaico starting at 2 pm?[/QUOTE]Does Mosaico open at 9:00 Pm?

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2743511]Mosaico Sundays, 4 x 4 Mondays! American Football!

We will get a schedule.

Please say which games you want to watch a week or more in advance and we will set it up![/QUOTE]Interested in watching the Packers vs Patriots on October 2.

Had a bit of a later start today. I went to Onix in the afternoon. Got to the area around 3 pm but it took me 30+ minutes wandering around in the rain with my umbrella trying to find the place. I didn't realise I had to register with the reception to get a card for the lift. There were only 4 or 5 girls available and I only found one of them attractive. A very thick branca. I would have done 1 hour but she was only available for 30 minutes. She was really awesome and good fun, she kept sucking my dick for 5+ minutes after I came.

After that I headed to 116 to check it out. The entrance has no sign, no doorman or anything so I wasn't sure I was at the right place. Anyway I could hear music upstairs so I went up and knew I was at the right place when I reached the top of the stairs and saw some of the girls at the reception. This place seems controversial in this thread. Some guys like Vagabundo highly recommend it while others think it's trashy and unclean. I can see both points of view to be honest. Yes the room was dirty, especially the floor, but it's only are $170 for 1 hour with a girl. There were a few hidden gems here. At least one or two that I think would be 4 x4 standard. The place definitely has a different vibe to 4 x4, 116 feels more raw / local. I sessioned a cute black girl here for 1 hour. We had a good connection and I honestly forgot about the surroundings and just enjoyed being in the moment with her. One thing I like about this place is it seems like the girls are more into the music, so they're shaking their asses and dancing more than in 4 x4 where the vibe seemed more calm in the bar.

I'd recommend 116 for guys that want a bit more adventure and the potential to find a hidden gem for a very cheap rate but be prepared for the room to be dirty.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2743832]Does Mosaico open at 9:00 Pm?[/QUOTE]I see that. Useless for Sundays. Damn, I had high hopes.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2743854]Had a bit of a later start today. I went to Onix in the afternoon. Got to the area around 3 pm but it took me 30+ minutes wandering around in the rain with my umbrella trying to find the place. I didn't realise I had to register with the reception to get a card for the lift. There were only 4 or 5 girls available and I only found one of them attractive. A very thick branca. I would have done 1 hour but she was only available for 30 minutes. She was really awesome and good fun, she kept sucking my dick for 5+ minutes after I came.

After that I headed to 116 to check it out. The entrance has no sign, no doorman or anything so I wasn't sure I was at the right place. Anyway I could hear music upstairs so I went up and knew I was at the right place when I reached the top of the stairs and saw some of the girls at the reception. This place seems controversial in this thread. Some guys like Vagabundo highly recommend it while others think it's trashy and unclean. I can see both points of view to be honest. Yes the room was dirty, especially the floor, but it's only are $170 for 1 hour with a girl. There were a few hidden gems here. At least one or two that I think would be 4 x4 standard. The place definitely has a different vibe to 4 x4, 116 feels more raw / local. I sessioned a cute black girl here for 1 hour. We had a good connection and I honestly forgot about the surroundings and just enjoyed being in the moment with her. One thing I like about this place is it seems like the girls are more into the music, so they're shaking their asses and dancing more than in 4 x4 where the vibe seemed more calm in the bar.

I'd recommend 116 for guys that want a bit more adventure and the potential to find a hidden gem for a very cheap rate but be prepared for the room to be dirty.[/QUOTE]Please provide more information on the location of 116.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2743779]Sorry, your "who" negotiated, LOLOL?

Also, did (s) he negotiate with an older lady with good English or the young one who seems to be running the girls?[/QUOTE]He is the guy who handles the export accounts for the company that I buy from. So I call him my agent. We have become good friends over the years and he is younger than me.

He negotiated with the short chubby girl. The old lady that speaks English wasn't working. He was pretty much negotiating for himself saying that he bought a gringo to the club and he shouldn't have to pay the cover. The owner walked by and remembered him and myself and said both of us can have the cover as consumable.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2743779]Sorry, your "who" negotiated, LOLOL?

Also, did (s) he negotiate with an older lady with good English or the young one who seems to be running the girls?[/QUOTE]


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Went to Termas Monte Carlo last night. Got there around 7 pm. Never saw the place so quiet, as in customers. Only me and 1 other guy. Around 17 or 18 girls on duty, and 5 or 6 of them very doable. Because it was so quiet, they all stand up in the middle of the floor, smiling at me and waiting to be called over. Never had this before in Monte Carlo and find it kinda awkward, but in the end I picked a really hot mulata with a killer body. Beautiful face, absolutely perfect ass. We talked for about an hour over some drinks, then headed to the suite for 1 hour. She was amazing, more nasty than I am. Once in a blue moon I find someone like this and you never really know until you get to the room, but I'll definitely be seeing her again. After the session, had another drink at the bar and there were around 6 or 7 customers. Its not the cheapest of places, but its been good to me over the years.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2744100]He is the guy who handles the export accounts for the company that I buy from. So I call him my agent. We have become good friends over the years and he is younger than me.

He negotiated with the short chubby girl. The old lady that speaks English wasn't working. He was pretty much negotiating for himself saying that he bought a gringo to the club and he shouldn't have to pay the cover. The owner walked by and remembered him and myself and said both of us can have the cover as consumable.[/QUOTE]Nice. They used to waive the cover if you session before 6, but I think they scrapped it after the fire. Doesn't hurt to ask, though.

How long are you in Rio?

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2742880]Any Las Vegas Raiders fans here? I would love to establish a regular watering hole location to get together and watch the games. I guess Mab's is the obvious choice, but if there's enough of us we could prolly find an alternative.[/QUOTE]

Send me a PM.

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2743703]That rocks! I will always request the Raiders when they're playing. Mosaico starting at 2 pm?[/QUOTE]

It must have been your extensive martial arts training and collection of Bruce Lee quotes that kept you safe, not to mention your Indian complexion which lets you blend in.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2743674]
On a side note, I walked thru Centro in the afternoon with my suitcase and backpack dressed in a pair of safari pants and a regular t-shirt. Nothing with any Brazil sports team or fire fighter or lifeguard patches. Didn't carry stun / flashlight combo and no hidden knives in my belt. Spoke my Texan Portuguese and Spanish mix so didn't need to take out my phone to use the translator app in the club. Exiting the club, I just grabbed a taxi who was waiting downstairs and came to the hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2742873]Apply for a retirement visa. That'll get you CPF and RNE. Then find an apartment you like through QAndar. They have some insurance solutions instead of co-signers. VivaReal is also a good site. But. Rentals are in big demand right now, it's not easy.

Consider buying if you have the cash. Prices, especially when priced in USD are at generational lows. You get a Big Bang for your buck. But you need to pay cash, mortgage financing in Brazil is almost impossible for a foreigner.[/QUOTE]Thanks for taking the time to write back. Retirement visa won't work for me because I am 43 years old and from what I've read you have to be at least 60. That's why my plan was to go on a student visa and change over to an investor visa. I have a lot of assets but the time I pay for my investor visa and want to create more investment cash flow I really don't have two or 300,000 USD to actually buy a condo outright without having enough reserves in the bank to feel comfortable probably in four or five years but not right now. A guy I rented an Airbnb from told me about that first site you had mentioned but even when I emailed them it seemed like a huge paying and still no guarantee probably because I'm really not at retirement age and will not have a job. I'm just so disappointed because I love Rio iand the beaches I really felt at home there for about eight months straight I study Portuguese two hours a day. Four weeks from today I leave to Thailand for about 3 1/2 weeks to check that out again I might very well end up there instead you just pay for a five year visa it's not cheap but it gets rid of all the red tape and renting an apartment as a simple signing a lease. I guess you could say everything there is more user-friendly for an outsider. Not going to lie I love the Brazilian women and retiring in my early 40's I definitely met lots of beautiful Brazilians that we're not even working girls although if you search my posts you'll see my story I had about one. One might say I'm the worlds worst mongerer LOL. Anyways thank you for the reply I really appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2743511]Mosaico Sundays, 4 x 4 Mondays! American Football!

We will get a schedule.

Please say which games you want to watch a week or more in advance and we will set it up![/QUOTE]Let's watch some FOOTBALL!!

Ok! Standby for details.

[QUOTE=LufkinRules;2744923]Let's watch some FOOTBALL!![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2744890]How long are you in Rio?[/QUOTE]I'm here until October 12, back to Canada for 1 1/2 months then back to Rio. I work here but still working out my visa situation. I'm an old timer, been coming here on and off since 2007. No longer mongering much, happy with Brazilian girlfriend. I do take visitors on a tour of termas, Mab's, etc. Interestingly I've never visited Vila Mimosa but keep thinking I'll do a walkabout one of these days.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2744891]Send me a PM.[/QUOTE]I can't seem to set up a crypto account. For some reason Binance does not accept accounts from Ontario, Canada (the province is not listed in the dropdown) and Coinbase will not accept my Brazilian CC. So for now I cannot PM.

We can set up a time to do a VM / Mosaico / Massagemtijuca tour, link up at Cinelandia Starbucks. Maybe suggest a few days next few weeks. I do suggest upgrading so you can PM.

[QUOTE=NorthernDancer;2745376]I'm here until October 12, back to Canada for 1 1/2 months then back to Rio. I work here but still working out my visa situation. I'm an old timer, been coming here on and off since 2007. No longer mongering much, happy with Brazilian girlfriend. I do take visitors on a tour of termas, Mab's, etc. Interestingly I've never visited Vila Mimosa but keep thinking I'll do a walkabout one of these days.[/QUOTE]

Man the only thing better than football and hot hookers in Las Vegas is football and hot (cheaper) hookers in Rio!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2745039]Ok! Standby for details.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

Thinking of a Rio & Sao Paulo trip for the first time very soon. Wondering if anyone has had any good experiences with [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] here?

All the fun and games in Copa and display of military toys is a message, that come October 2nd, things will get messy, the fix is in. One side is money and power. The other side a bunch of well fed and solidly housed lawyers flapping their jaws in typical useless fashion of theory with too many words that most of the population does not understand and know they are just as bad but simply jealous they lack the balls. Talk is cheap. There is money to be made shorting the BR index and currency. And it is mispriced.

I told you.

If my theory is right, the $ can be used to help young women in need of morning tonsil massages I'm a great believer in and happy to oblige delicate teen lips around my manhood. Perhaps this is what James Bond "stood" for on behalf of the late Queen Elizabeth. Certainly Prince Andrew stood tall with Jeff Epstein, but I doubt they have any where near the fun and variety we get on a daily basis. Life is good. I'll watch from the peanut gallery in the hills with a well stocked panty and my personal harem of 3 (I'm adding an extra just for variety - they enjoy cooking, good food, clean beds, fresh air and draining my balls). Prolactin is my next challenge, any ideas welcomed.

Viva de la revolucion!

Senor PM.

I concur.

Cab driver told me the other night, there is a world war on, and in this one, Brazil may not side with 'merica.

Then, the desk clerk at my hotel told me, 2 Oct, expect civil war. Or at latest 30 Oct, the run off.

Pray for war.

// Vagabundo, Station Chief, Swiss Navy sends.

Out.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2746661]All the fun and games in Copa and display of military toys is a message, that come October 2nd, things will get messy, the fix is in. One side is money and power. The other side a bunch of well fed and solidly housed lawyers flapping their jaws in typical useless fashion of theory with too many words that most of the population does not understand and know they are just as bad but simply jealous they lack the balls. Talk is cheap. There is money to be made shorting the BR index and currency. And it is mispriced.

I told you.

If my theory is right, the $ can be used to help young women in need of morning tonsil massages I'm a great believer in and happy to oblige delicate teen lips around my manhood. Perhaps this is what James Bond "stood" for on behalf of the late Queen Elizabeth. Certainly Prince Andrew stood tall with Jeff Epstein, but I doubt they have any where near the fun and variety we get on a daily basis. Life is good. I'll watch from the peanut gallery in the hills with a well stocked panty and my personal harem of 3 (I'm adding an extra just for variety - they enjoy cooking, good food, clean beds, fresh air and draining my balls). Prolactin is my next challenge, any ideas welcomed.

Viva de la revolucion![/QUOTE]

Vagabundo banged this morning with homegirl.

She was watching Dahmer on Netflix.

We paused that trash, and then put on some literature, IE, Noemie Bilas getting anal fucked dressed up, and put on some Coldplay for audio to set the mood, and had a good long suck and fuck.

Now, homegirl is lighting up another joint, and I must join her so I will keep this short, as she munches on brie and bread.

Epicurus would appreciate our lives.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smsh94zPto[/URL]

General Vagabundo can no doubt offer insights adapted to local conditions in Rio.

Next 10 days will be troublesome. I'd suggest folks keep ready cash in a few currencies and a few one ounce silver bars (about $USD 19) or roughly BRL100, just enough for a good session and easily changeable. The ATM's may be shutdown and / or the phone network to stop protest coordination / social media. 30 and 60 day BRL FX contracts are still priced at 5. 26.

Preppers will need a few ladies, lots of condoms, food and drinks and a good genetleman keeps feminine hygiene and vaginal anti-fungal products handy which was not mentioned in the Navy training flick, or about the etiquette of getting one to rub balls while deep mish in the other girl.

Anyone have any recommendations other than onix for centro massage places?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2747823]Anyone have any recommendations other than onix for centro massage places?

Thank you.[/QUOTE][URL]https://gparena.net/tds-areas.php?a=2[/URL]#gsc. Tab=0.

See list above. Room 3206 in Av. Treze de Maio, 33 is usually very good. Also Dark Room.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2747914][URL]https://gparena.net/tds-areas.php?a=2[/URL]#gsc. Tab=0.

See list above. Room 3206 in Av. Treze de Maio, 33 is usually very good. Also Dark Room.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Shall check it out and report. Any idea for the hours on 3206? Dark Room is 10:30 am - 7:30 pm.

Arrived Tuesday morning and walked to Onix. As many already know this building requires going to the reception area with your original passport. Your number is entered into a system. Then, you receive a gate card for entrance and exit thru a turnstile to the appropriate elevator. In the future, a copy of your passport is sufficient.

Entered Onix and requested Livia. She was occupied. The other 2 presented were okay. Almost went with a decent black chica but quickly changed when I saw Bianca. The pictures don't do her justice -- much better in-person.

Hard body with a nice face, lips, solid legs complimented with a good backside. GFE which turns into PSE after getting stimulated. HJ and BJ combo is wonderful. One Hour 2 pops for 170 (183 for credit card). The rooms are tiny which makes it less exciting. Slightly less skilled than older pros but full of energy.

Still feeling horny, inquired about Livia. Needed to wait an hour. When she walked in I was disappointed. Those glam pics are misleading. Still blessed with a nice slim body, perky tits and a good face. Un GFE due to recent tooth extraction.

The performance was decent. Not much licking and sucking throughout the body. Assumes the BJ position well and can suck for a while. Cowgirl is fast like a pogo stick. Decent but no repeat. She is popular for some reason.

This place gets busy as the afternoon progresses. You can count on one hour and 2 pops.

Today was a rainy day in Rio. Understand this is common through December. Unable to walk to Onix due to the rain.

Arrived at onix hoping to secure my favorite -- of course, she was occupied. Requested Alice based on the website and she was also occupied for 30 more minutes. Decided to wait in the room for Alice.

Slightly disappointed when she walked in. The face is decent. Nice thick body with rock titties. Smiles a lot.

This chica is a rock star -- kisses and sucks like a GFE and pfe. Makes slurping sounds just like Japanese porn stars. Extremely accommodating combined with sweetness. My new fav for service.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2747943]Thanks! Shall check it out and report. Any idea for the hours on 3206? Dark Room is 10:30 am - 7:30 pm.[/QUOTE]Name is Sexy Hot Massagem. One website on Google says open 10 to 7:30, another 10 to 8. One says open on Saturday, other one says it is closed.

Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.

Exchange rates at time of visit:

GBP vs BRL = 5. 97.

USD vs BRL = 5. 40.

Overall summary: This was my first ever hobbying trip and Rio absolutely lived up to my wildest expectations, from the first day to the last it was a blur of amazing sex with stunning women. I want to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. Without all this info I never would have gone to Rio in the first place. While out there I ended up talking to a couple of guys in 4 x4 and it turned out they're both regulars on the forum. They gave me some good advice, showed me around and we ended up becoming good friends and hanging out pretty much every day, special thanks to both of you!

Rather than writing a chronological detailed breakdown of my trip, I decided to describe the girls I sessioned with and post an evaluation of each the venues I visited. Hopefully I can provide some useful info, please ask me any questions you have. I want to give back as much as possible since the forum helped me so much on my trip.

4 x4.

This was probably my favourite place, I went here around 5 times in total. The variety of girls is great, the prices are good and the place is well organised.

Prices:

Entrance is 60 are. They waive this if you session a girl before 6 pm.

30 minutes = 300 are.

60 minutes (simple suite) = 420 are.

60 minutes (upgraded suite) = 480 are.

Better rooms are available at higher prices.

Mia. Pretty mulatta with a perfect body, big bunda, perky fake boobs, gym toned with hardly any fat. She's a freak in a good way, she loves being nasty and having hard passionate sex. I sessioned with her twice and wish I'd seen her more often. After our second session I joked that she's too much for me, she needs two men at the same time. She laughed and said she just needs one man to fuck her all day LOL.

Natasha. Morena (I. E. White brunette) girl with an average face and slender body with big boobs, speaks good English. She wasn't really my type but I felt like I owed her a session after talking with her in English for over an hour (newbie mistake). We did 30 minutes and it was good but there were other girls I would have enjoyed more. On the plus side she has perfect big natural tits and her service was good.

Juliette. Sloppy thick black girl with tattoos and hair tied up in a tight bun. She wasn't one of my best sessions but she was still very good.

Lavinia. Huge butt black MILF that loves anal. Built like a horse, huge ass and legs. Very good session.

Ruby. Curvy, light-skinned mixed girl with long blonde-ish curly hair and big natural tits. This is my ideal woman. Big, full natural breasts, wide hips, big bunda, fat pussy. Amazing tanlines. She has a bit of a dorky vibe which I found really endearing. She has clear braces and kind of a goofy smile. I met her in 4 x4 and had a great session, then on another day I had her overnight for 1000 are. She was one of my best sessions. She is built for sex. Her body just exudes raw feminine energy.

Dalila. Dark skinned East African / Somali-looking black girl with huge butt, sloppy curves, tattoos and long braided hair. Very pretty face. Initially was only 30 minutes but I extended to 1 hour. She had a playful vibe, she would switch between slapping my face and kissing me. Very fun session.

?? - can't remember this girls name. She was a young-looking (22) light-skinned mulatta with frizzy shoulder length hair, braces and tattoos. Not super thick but tight body and nice shape. Super soft lips. During anal we had to stop so we could shower, which didn't happen with any other girl but it was still a good session. After the shower and new condom on I assumed we would go back to pussy so I asked her "buceta?" but nope she wanted more anal LOL.

Solarium.

Only went here once. The facilities are a little nicer than 4 x4 but price is slightly higher. I liked how the girls weren't pushy at all and just stood displaying themselves waiting to be asked over.

Prices:

Entrance I think was 120 are which includes 1 free drink.

1 hour was around 450 are.

Cristal. Young mulatta girl with an amazing body, big afro hair and tanlines. Her body was flawless, amazing shape, big bunda. She had a youthful personality, very cheeky and giggly. Great service in the room. Around 30 minutes she reminded me that I wanted anal. Where else would this ever happen LOL? The only downside was towards the end of the session she kept saying "Orgasmo" over and over again. Does this ever make a guy cum faster? It does the opposite for me. After a while I had to ask her to be quiet because she just kept saying it LOL.

Whiskeria 65.

Prices were similar to 4 x4.

It seemed a bit more trashy than 4 x4, many of the girls were smoking in the bar which is a big turn-off for me.

Vitoria. Stupid thick black girl, body like a cartoon character. Big natural tits, absolutely huge natural ass. Straight black hair, tattoos. Thickest girl I've ever seen. The boys had a good laugh at the stark contrast of me (white, slim build) next to this stallion LOL. We fucked the shit out of each other for an hour straight. Wish I saw this girl more than once. I told her her body is crazy, she said she has good genetics because her dad was from the US. So to the American brother who knocked her mom up twenty years ago, thank you!!

116 Terma.

Went here once. It's round the corner from 4 x4. Ghetto vibe and very trash rooms. The room was tiny and floor not clean.

Nadiya. Pretty dark skinned black girl with braids. She was surprisingly submissive in the room. She didn't know how to suck dick, had to tell her to be careful with her teeth. After the session I danced with her in the club for a while before saying goodbye.

Prives.

My experience with the prives is that the quality of the girls is lower than in the termas, but the service is actually just as good.

Onix.

Decent, clean rooms. Efficient operation.

Beatriz. Very thick blonde branca MILF with tanlines. Amazing service, she fucked me like a champ.

Pollyanna. Sloppy thick branca redhead with braces and a huge ass. Again amazing service.

DarkRoom.

Rooms are pretty small and bathroom is separate and tiny.

Rebecca. Young dark skinned black girl with braces. Solid session.

Bel Prazer.

Erica. Ghetto looking black MILF. Good session but felt like I wasted my energy that could have been used for a hotter girl. Still good though.

Nightclubs.

Dolce Vita.

I only went here once, towards the end of the trip. Next time I will go to the nightclubs way more often, I really liked the girls I saw here.

Amora. Light skinned black girl with a cute face and long blonde braids. Big natural boobs, pierced nipples, some big tattoos on her hip / legs and a couple smaller tattoos on her arms. I did an overnight session with this girl twice, and she only charged me 500 are each time. A really sweet, down to earth girl. Super cute, cheeky face and personality to match. The sex was awesome and we also hung out talking for hours, teaching each other English / Portuguese. I had to be careful because I could tell I could catch feelings for this girl which would be dangerous. I had to remind myself she's getting fucked by different guys every single day, and there's so many non-working girls out there it's just not worth it.

Long story short I had an amazing time, made some great friends and I'll definitely be visiting again soon! On my next trip I will also visit Sao Paulo, will be interesting to see how it compares with Rio.

This is Mabs Barra.

All the 4 x4 girls go there.

Mabs Barra during the day is Classico Beach Club.

Vagabundo lives at Posto 6, with the snobs in Riviera condo.

Classic! Love the navy guide!!

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2746902][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smsh94zPto[/URL]

General Vagabundo can no doubt offer insights adapted to local conditions in Rio.

Next 10 days will be troublesome. I'd suggest folks keep ready cash in a few currencies and a few one ounce silver bars (about $USD 19) or roughly BRL100, just enough for a good session and easily changeable. The ATM's may be shutdown and / or the phone network to stop protest coordination / social media. 30 and 60 day BRL FX contracts are still priced at 5. 26.

Preppers will need a few ladies, lots of condoms, food and drinks and a good genetleman keeps feminine hygiene and vaginal anti-fungal products handy which was not mentioned in the Navy training flick, or about the etiquette of getting one to rub balls while deep mish in the other girl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.

Exchange rates at time of visit:

GBP vs BRL = 5. 97.

USD vs BRL = 5. 40.

Overall summary: This was my first ever hobbying trip and Rio absolutely lived up to my wildest expectations, from the first day to the last it was a blur of amazing sex with stunning women. I want to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. Without all this info I never would have gone to Rio in the first place. While out there I ended up talking to a couple of guys in 4 x4 and it turned out they're both regulars on the forum. They gave me some good advice, showed me around and we ended up becoming good friends and hanging out pretty much every day, special thanks to both of you!

Rather than writing a chronological detailed breakdown of my trip, I decided to describe the girls I sessioned with and post an evaluation of each the venues I visited. Hopefully I can provide some useful info, please ask me any questions you have. I want to give back as much as possible since the forum helped me so much on my trip.

Long story short I had an amazing time, made some great friends and I'll definitely be visiting again soon! On my next trip I will also visit Sao Paulo, will be interesting to see how it compares with Rio.[/QUOTE]Outstanding report Thor!! If only ALL the newbies who ask questions would return and provide this level of information. As a fellow big booty lover, I appreciate your posts and pictures. I was shocked to hear that Lavina is back at 4 x4, she has been working off and on for damn near 15 years.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.

[/QUOTE]Nice report. What's the name of the last girl in the photo (blonde) and from which venue?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2748832]Nice report. What's the name of the last girl in the photo (blonde) and from which venue?[/QUOTE]That's Beatriz from Onix.

Hey Thor, Great Terma & Prive Report. I enjoyed reading it just 3 days before I head down to Brazil for my 4th visit in 2 years. I am not going to RJ this time around, only SP, but you made a good case for Rio. I am glad you had a great time.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.

Overall summary: This was my first ever hobbying trip and Rio absolutely lived up to my wildest expectations, from the first day to the last it was a blur of amazing sex with stunning women. I want to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. Without all this info I never would have gone to Rio in the first place. While out there I ended up talking to a couple of guys in 4 x4 and it turned out they're both regulars on the forum. They gave me some good advice, showed me around and we ended up becoming good friends and hanging out pretty much every day, special thanks to both of you!

Rather than writing a chronological detailed breakdown of my trip, I decided to describe the girls I sessioned with and post an evaluation of each the venues I visited. Hopefully I can provide some useful info, please ask me any questions you have. I want to give back as much as possible since the forum helped me so much on my trip.

4 x4.

This was probably my favourite place, I went here around 5 times in total. The variety of girls is great, the prices are good and the place is well organised.

Prices:

Entrance is 60 are. They waive this if you session a girl before 6 pm.

30 minutes = 300 are.

60 minutes (simple suite) = 420 are.

60 minutes (upgraded suite) = 480 are.

Better rooms are available at higher prices.

Mia. Pretty mulatta with a perfect body, big bunda, perky fake boobs, gym toned with hardly any fat. She's a freak in a good way, she loves being nasty and having hard passionate sex. I sessioned with her twice and wish I'd seen her more often. After our second session I joked that she's too much for me, she needs two men at the same time. She laughed and said she just needs one man to fuck her all day LOL.

Natasha. Morena (I. E. White brunette) girl with an average face and slender body with big boobs, speaks good English. She wasn't really my type but I felt like I owed her a session after talking with her in English for over an hour (newbie mistake). We did 30 minutes and it was good but there were other girls I would have enjoyed more. On the plus side she has perfect big natural tits and her service was good.

Juliette. Sloppy thick black girl with tattoos and hair tied up in a tight bun. She wasn't one of my best sessions but she was still very good.

Lavinia. Huge butt black MILF that loves anal. Built like a horse, huge ass and legs. Very good session.

Ruby. Curvy, light-skinned mixed girl with long blonde-ish curly hair and big natural tits. This is my ideal woman. Big, full natural breasts, wide hips, big bunda, fat pussy. Amazing tanlines. She has a bit of a dorky vibe which I found really endearing. She has clear braces and kind of a goofy smile. I met her in 4 x4 and had a great session, then on another day I had her overnight for 1000 are. She was one of my best sessions. She is built for sex. Her body just exudes raw feminine energy.

Dalila. Dark skinned East African / Somali-looking black girl with huge butt, sloppy curves, tattoos and long braided hair. Very pretty face. Initially was only 30 minutes but I extended to 1 hour. She had a playful vibe, she would switch between slapping my face and kissing me. Very fun session.

?? - can't remember this girls name. She was a young-looking (22) light-skinned mulatta with frizzy shoulder length hair, braces and tattoos. Not super thick but tight body and nice shape. Super soft lips. During anal we had to stop so we could shower, which didn't happen with any other girl but it was still a good session. After the shower and new condom on I assumed we would go back to pussy so I asked her "buceta?" but nope she wanted more anal LOL.

Solarium.

Only went here once. The facilities are a little nicer than 4 x4 but price is slightly higher. I liked how the girls weren't pushy at all and just stood displaying themselves waiting to be asked over.

Prices:

Entrance I think was 120 are which includes 1 free drink.

1 hour was around 450 are.

Cristal. Young mulatta girl with an amazing body, big afro hair and tanlines. Her body was flawless, amazing shape, big bunda. She had a youthful personality, very cheeky and giggly. Great service in the room. Around 30 minutes she reminded me that I wanted anal. Where else would this ever happen LOL? The only downside was towards the end of the session she kept saying "Orgasmo" over and over again. Does this ever make a guy cum faster? It does the opposite for me. After a while I had to ask her to be quiet because she just kept saying it LOL.

Whiskeria 65.

Prices were similar to 4 x4.

It seemed a bit more trashy than 4 x4, many of the girls were smoking in the bar which is a big turn-off for me.

Vitoria. Stupid thick black girl, body like a cartoon character. Big natural tits, absolutely huge natural ass. Straight black hair, tattoos. Thickest girl I've ever seen. The boys had a good laugh at the stark contrast of me (white, slim build) next to this stallion LOL. We fucked the shit out of each other for an hour straight. Wish I saw this girl more than once. I told her her body is crazy, she said she has good genetics because her dad was from the US. So to the American brother who knocked her mom up twenty years ago, thank you!!

116 Terma.

Went here once. It's round the corner from 4 x4. Ghetto vibe and very trash rooms. The room was tiny and floor not clean.

Nadiya. Pretty dark skinned black girl with braids. She was surprisingly submissive in the room. She didn't know how to suck dick, had to tell her to be careful with her teeth. After the session I danced with her in the club for a while before saying goodbye.

Prives.

My experience with the prives is that the quality of the girls is lower than in the termas, but the service is actually just as good.

Onix.

Decent, clean rooms. Efficient operation.

Beatriz. Very thick blonde branca MILF with tanlines. Amazing service, she fucked me like a champ.

Pollyanna. Sloppy thick branca redhead with braces and a huge ass. Again amazing service.

DarkRoom.

Rooms are pretty small and bathroom is separate and tiny.

Rebecca. Young dark skinned black girl with braces. Solid session.

Bel Prazer.

Erica. Ghetto looking black MILF. Good session but felt like I wasted my energy that could have been used for a hotter girl. Still good though.

Nightclubs.

Dolce Vita.

I only went here once, towards the end of the trip. Next time I will go to the nightclubs way more often, I really liked the girls I saw here.

Amora. Light skinned black girl with a cute face and long blonde braids. Big natural boobs, pierced nipples, some big tattoos on her hip / legs and a couple smaller tattoos on her arms. I did an overnight session with this girl twice, and she only charged me 500 are each time. A really sweet, down to earth girl. Super cute, cheeky face and personality to match. The sex was awesome and we also hung out talking for hours, teaching each other English / Portuguese. I had to be careful because I could tell I could catch feelings for this girl which would be dangerous. I had to remind myself she's getting fucked by different guys every single day, and there's so many non-working girls out there it's just not worth it.

Long story short I had an amazing time, made some great friends and I'll definitely be visiting again soon! On my next trip I will also visit Sao Paulo, will be interesting to see how it compares with Rio.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.

Exchange rates at time of visit:

GBP vs BRL = 5. 97.

USD vs BRL = 5. 40.

Overall summary: This was my first ever hobbying trip and Rio absolutely lived up to my wildest expectations, from the first day to the last it was a blur of amazing sex with stunning women. I want to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. Without all this info I never would have gone to Rio in the first place. While out there I ended up talking to a couple of guys in 4 x4 and it turned out they're both regulars on the forum. They gave me some good advice, showed me around and we ended up becoming good friends and hanging out pretty much every day, special thanks to both of you!

Rather than writing a chronological detailed breakdown of my trip, I decided to describe the girls I sessioned with and post an evaluation of each the venues I visited. Hopefully I can provide some useful info, please ask me any questions you have. I want to give back as much as possible since the forum helped me so much on my trip.

4 x4.

This was probably my favourite place, I went here around 5 times in total. The variety of girls is great, the prices are good and the place is well organised.

Prices:

Entrance is 60 are. They waive this if you session a girl before 6 pm.

30 minutes = 300 are.

60 minutes (simple suite) = 420 are.

60 minutes (upgraded suite) = 480 are.

Better rooms are available at higher prices.

Mia. Pretty mulatta with a perfect body, big bunda, perky fake boobs, gym toned with hardly any fat. She's a freak in a good way, she loves being nasty and having hard passionate sex. I sessioned with her twice and wish I'd seen her more often. After our second session I joked that she's too much for me, she needs two men at the same time. She laughed and said she just needs one man to fuck her all day LOL.

Natasha. Morena (I. E. White brunette) girl with an average face and slender body with big boobs, speaks good English. She wasn't really my type but I felt like I owed her a session after talking with her in English for over an hour (newbie mistake). We did 30 minutes and it was good but there were other girls I would have enjoyed more. On the plus side she has perfect big natural tits and her service was good.

Juliette. Sloppy thick black girl with tattoos and hair tied up in a tight bun. She wasn't one of my best sessions but she was still very good.

Lavinia. Huge butt black MILF that loves anal. Built like a horse, huge ass and legs. Very good session.

Ruby. Curvy, light-skinned mixed girl with long blonde-ish curly hair and big natural tits. This is my ideal woman. Big, full natural breasts, wide hips, big bunda, fat pussy. Amazing tanlines. She has a bit of a dorky vibe which I found really endearing. She has clear braces and kind of a goofy smile. I met her in 4 x4 and had a great session, then on another day I had her overnight for 1000 are. She was one of my best sessions. She is built for sex. Her body just exudes raw feminine energy.

Dalila. Dark skinned East African / Somali-looking black girl with huge butt, sloppy curves, tattoos and long braided hair. Very pretty face. Initially was only 30 minutes but I extended to 1 hour. She had a playful vibe, she would switch between slapping my face and kissing me. Very fun session.

?? - can't remember this girls name. She was a young-looking (22) light-skinned mulatta with frizzy shoulder length hair, braces and tattoos. Not super thick but tight body and nice shape. Super soft lips. During anal we had to stop so we could shower, which didn't happen with any other girl but it was still a good session. After the shower and new condom on I assumed we would go back to pussy so I asked her "buceta?" but nope she wanted more anal LOL.

Solarium.

Only went here once. The facilities are a little nicer than 4 x4 but price is slightly higher. I liked how the girls weren't pushy at all and just stood displaying themselves waiting to be asked over.

Prices:

Entrance I think was 120 are which includes 1 free drink.

1 hour was around 450 are.

Cristal. Young mulatta girl with an amazing body, big afro hair and tanlines. Her body was flawless, amazing shape, big bunda. She had a youthful personality, very cheeky and giggly. Great service in the room. Around 30 minutes she reminded me that I wanted anal. Where else would this ever happen LOL? The only downside was towards the end of the session she kept saying "Orgasmo" over and over again. Does this ever make a guy cum faster? It does the opposite for me. After a while I had to ask her to be quiet because she just kept saying it LOL.

Whiskeria 65.

Prices were similar to 4 x4.

It seemed a bit more trashy than 4 x4, many of the girls were smoking in the bar which is a big turn-off for me.

Vitoria. Stupid thick black girl, body like a cartoon character. Big natural tits, absolutely huge natural ass. Straight black hair, tattoos. Thickest girl I've ever seen. The boys had a good laugh at the stark contrast of me (white, slim build) next to this stallion LOL. We fucked the shit out of each other for an hour straight. Wish I saw this girl more than once. I told her her body is crazy, she said she has good genetics because her dad was from the US. So to the American brother who knocked her mom up twenty years ago, thank you!!

116 Terma.

Went here once. It's round the corner from 4 x4. Ghetto vibe and very trash rooms. The room was tiny and floor not clean.

Nadiya. Pretty dark skinned black girl with braids. She was surprisingly submissive in the room. She didn't know how to suck dick, had to tell her to be careful with her teeth. After the session I danced with her in the club for a while before saying goodbye.

Prives.

My experience with the prives is that the quality of the girls is lower than in the termas, but the service is actually just as good.

Onix.

Decent, clean rooms. Efficient operation.

Beatriz. Very thick blonde branca MILF with tanlines. Amazing service, she fucked me like a champ.

Pollyanna. Sloppy thick branca redhead with braces and a huge ass. Again amazing service.

DarkRoom.

Rooms are pretty small and bathroom is separate and tiny.

Rebecca. Young dark skinned black girl with braces. Solid session.

Bel Prazer.

Erica. Ghetto looking black MILF. Good session but felt like I wasted my energy that could have been used for a hotter girl. Still good though.

Nightclubs.

Dolce Vita.

I only went here once, towards the end of the trip. Next time I will go to the nightclubs way more often, I really liked the girls I saw here.

Amora. Light skinned black girl with a cute face and long blonde braids. Big natural boobs, pierced nipples, some big tattoos on her hip / legs and a couple smaller tattoos on her arms. I did an overnight session with this girl twice, and she only charged me 500 are each time. A really sweet, down to earth girl. Super cute, cheeky face and personality to match. The sex was awesome and we also hung out talking for hours, teaching each other English / Portuguese. I had to be careful because I could tell I could catch feelings for this girl which would be dangerous. I had to remind myself she's getting fucked by different guys every single day, and there's so many non-working girls out there it's just not worth it.

Long story short I had an amazing time, made some great friends and I'll definitely be visiting again soon! On my next trip I will also visit Sao Paulo, will be interesting to see how it compares with Rio.[/QUOTE]Very good report. Rio is the best.

Thor91! I'm only in RJ for a few days, and SP for just one. You are an inspiration! I'll try to post my antics, but I think that my adventure will pale in comparison to yours.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.

Exchange rates at time of visit:

GBP vs BRL = 5. 97.

USD vs BRL = 5. 40.

Overall summary: This was my first ever hobbying trip and Rio absolutely lived up to my wildest expectations, from the first day to the last it was a blur of amazing sex with stunning women. I want to thank everyone who contributes to this forum. Without all this info I never would have gone to Rio in the first place. While out there I ended up talking to a couple of guys in 4 x4 and it turned out they're both regulars on the forum. They gave me some good advice, showed me around and we ended up becoming good friends and hanging out pretty much every day, special thanks to both of you!

Rather than writing a chronological detailed breakdown of my trip, I decided to describe the girls I sessioned with and post an evaluation of each the venues I visited. Hopefully I can provide some useful info, please ask me any questions you have. I want to give back as much as possible since the forum helped me so much on my trip.

4 x4.

This was probably my favourite place, I went here around 5 times in total. The variety of girls is great, the prices are good and the place is well organised.

Prices:

Entrance is 60 are. They waive this if you session a girl before 6 pm.

30 minutes = 300 are.

60 minutes (simple suite) = 420 are.

60 minutes (upgraded suite) = 480 are.

Better rooms are available at higher prices.

Mia. Pretty mulatta with a perfect body, big bunda, perky fake boobs, gym toned with hardly any fat. She's a freak in a good way, she loves being nasty and having hard passionate sex. I sessioned with her twice and wish I'd seen her more often. After our second session I joked that she's too much for me, she needs two men at the same time. She laughed and said she just needs one man to fuck her all day LOL.

Natasha. Morena (I. E. White brunette) girl with an average face and slender body with big boobs, speaks good English. She wasn't really my type but I felt like I owed her a session after talking with her in English for over an hour (newbie mistake). We did 30 minutes and it was good but there were other girls I would have enjoyed more. On the plus side she has perfect big natural tits and her service was good.

Juliette. Sloppy thick black girl with tattoos and hair tied up in a tight bun. She wasn't one of my best sessions but she was still very good.

Lavinia. Huge butt black MILF that loves anal. Built like a horse, huge ass and legs. Very good session.

Ruby. Curvy, light-skinned mixed girl with long blonde-ish curly hair and big natural tits. This is my ideal woman. Big, full natural breasts, wide hips, big bunda, fat pussy. Amazing tanlines. She has a bit of a dorky vibe which I found really endearing. She has clear braces and kind of a goofy smile. I met her in 4 x4 and had a great session, then on another day I had her overnight for 1000 are. She was one of my best sessions. She is built for sex. Her body just exudes raw feminine energy.

Dalila. Dark skinned East African / Somali-looking black girl with huge butt, sloppy curves, tattoos and long braided hair. Very pretty face. Initially was only 30 minutes but I extended to 1 hour. She had a playful vibe, she would switch between slapping my face and kissing me. Very fun session.

?? - can't remember this girls name. She was a young-looking (22) light-skinned mulatta with frizzy shoulder length hair, braces and tattoos. Not super thick but tight body and nice shape. Super soft lips. During anal we had to stop so we could shower, which didn't happen with any other girl but it was still a good session. After the shower and new condom on I assumed we would go back to pussy so I asked her "buceta?" but nope she wanted more anal LOL.

Solarium.

Only went here once. The facilities are a little nicer than 4 x4 but price is slightly higher. I liked how the girls weren't pushy at all and just stood displaying themselves waiting to be asked over.

Prices:

Entrance I think was 120 are which includes 1 free drink.

1 hour was around 450 are.

Cristal. Young mulatta girl with an amazing body, big afro hair and tanlines. Her body was flawless, amazing shape, big bunda. She had a youthful personality, very cheeky and giggly. Great service in the room. Around 30 minutes she reminded me that I wanted anal. Where else would this ever happen LOL? The only downside was towards the end of the session she kept saying "Orgasmo" over and over again. Does this ever make a guy cum faster? It does the opposite for me. After a while I had to ask her to be quiet because she just kept saying it LOL.

Whiskeria 65.

Prices were similar to 4 x4.

It seemed a bit more trashy than 4 x4, many of the girls were smoking in the bar which is a big turn-off for me.

Vitoria. Stupid thick black girl, body like a cartoon character. Big natural tits, absolutely huge natural ass. Straight black hair, tattoos. Thickest girl I've ever seen. The boys had a good laugh at the stark contrast of me (white, slim build) next to this stallion LOL. We fucked the shit out of each other for an hour straight. Wish I saw this girl more than once. I told her her body is crazy, she said she has good genetics because her dad was from the US. So to the American brother who knocked her mom up twenty years ago, thank you!!

116 Terma.

Went here once. It's round the corner from 4 x4. Ghetto vibe and very trash rooms. The room was tiny and floor not clean.

Nadiya. Pretty dark skinned black girl with braids. She was surprisingly submissive in the room. She didn't know how to suck dick, had to tell her to be careful with her teeth. After the session I danced with her in the club for a while before saying goodbye.

Prives.

My experience with the prives is that the quality of the girls is lower than in the termas, but the service is actually just as good.

Onix.

Decent, clean rooms. Efficient operation.

Beatriz. Very thick blonde branca MILF with tanlines. Amazing service, she fucked me like a champ.

Pollyanna. Sloppy thick branca redhead with braces and a huge ass. Again amazing service.

DarkRoom.

Rooms are pretty small and bathroom is separate and tiny.

Rebecca. Young dark skinned black girl with braces. Solid session.

Bel Prazer.

Erica. Ghetto looking black MILF. Good session but felt like I wasted my energy that could have been used for a hotter girl. Still good though.

Nightclubs.

Dolce Vita.

I only went here once, towards the end of the trip. Next time I will go to the nightclubs way more often, I really liked the girls I saw here.

Amora. Light skinned black girl with a cute face and long blonde braids. Big natural boobs, pierced nipples, some big tattoos on her hip / legs and a couple smaller tattoos on her arms. I did an overnight session with this girl twice, and she only charged me 500 are each time. A really sweet, down to earth girl. Super cute, cheeky face and personality to match. The sex was awesome and we also hung out talking for hours, teaching each other English / Portuguese. I had to be careful because I could tell I could catch feelings for this girl which would be dangerous. I had to remind myself she's getting fucked by different guys every single day, and there's so many non-working girls out there it's just not worth it.

Long story short I had an amazing time, made some great friends and I'll definitely be visiting again soon! On my next trip I will also visit Sao Paulo, will be interesting to see how it compares with Rio.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.
Long story short I had an amazing time, made some great friends and I'll definitely be visiting again soon! On my next trip I will also visit Sao Paulo, will be interesting to see how it compares with Rio.[/QUOTE]Good detailed report, Good read.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2748826] I was shocked to hear that Lavina is back at 4 x4, she has been working off and on for damn near 15 years.[/QUOTE]I have many happy memories of that perfect bunda!!

This place is tough to locate. It's on a side street off Buenos Aires. The unit is 1417. Hours are Monday to Saturday 8:00 am to 6:00 pm.

Prices are 120 for 30 minutes and 200 for one hour. Average line up. However selected a sexy hot petite chica with nice ass, face and tits. Sweet GFE. Provides a professional swedish massage as a bonus. Definite repeat.

[QUOTE=Torgoch;2749075]I have many happy memories of that perfect bunda!![/QUOTE]If that is the bow-legged GP with the fetching smile, I might have to make a trip after 10 years. She was always occupied or showed up after I took up one of my regulars.

The last time, a fellow monger I went to 4 x4 with took her while I went with a MILF from Campo Grande and he was very happy with my suggestion based on reports here and that was the last day of my trip.

As good a reason as any.

[QUOTE=Thor91;2748581]Visited 2nd week in September for 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]And congrats on your maiden voyage!

Sala 1417 is not Darkroom. That is another Prive.

Thanks for the intel that it is open on a Saturday.

Darkroom is cuberto (penthouse) 6. You take the elevator up to 20th floor and walk up stairs to the penthouse.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2749172]This place is tough to locate. It's on a side street off Buenos Aires. The unit is 1417. Hours are Monday to Saturday 8:00 am to 6:00 pm.

Prices are 120 for 30 minutes and 200 for one hour. Average line up. However selected a sexy hot petite chica with nice ass, face and tits. Sweet GFE. Provides a professional swedish massage as a bonus. Definite repeat.[/QUOTE]

On Saturday went to Mabs around 6:00 pm -- what a disappointment. Back in 2018 this place always had chicas around to pick up. Only one was available -- Flavia -- decent looking with good rates. Exchanged numbers. Unsure if shall have her come to my hotel.

It was brought to my attention that I incorrectly posted dark room information. The place is on the 20th floor which requires a walk up to penthouse 6. Highly suggest trying 1417 since they open at 8:00 am and have a decent line up. Good customer service with espresso offered.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2749172]This place is tough to locate. It's on a side street off Buenos Aires. The unit is 1417. ....[/QUOTE]Dark room is on the top floor that you take elevator to the top, then take a flight of stair to the floor above. The price is a little cheaper. 30 minutes is 100. 60 minutes is 150

On Monday arrived at 1417 around 9:00 am. Selected my fav for one hour at 200 reals. This place gets a steady stream of locals. Lineup is your typical Brazilian chicas with more blacks than other prives.

What a gem- petite, no make up with a sweetheart GFE mindset. Professional Swedish massage is wonderful.

Walked upstairs to the Darkroom around 10:45 (stated opening is 10:30) -- no response.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2749342]On Saturday went to Mabs around 6:00 pm -- what a disappointment. Back in 2018 this place always had chicas around to pick up. Only one was available -- Flavia -- decent looking with good rates. Exchanged numbers. Unsure if shall have her come to my hotel.

It was brought to my attention that I incorrectly posted dark room information. The place is on the 20th floor which requires a walk up to penthouse 6. Highly suggest trying 1417 since they open at 8:00 am and have a decent line up. Good customer service with espresso offered.[/QUOTE]Too early Mabs at 6 pm better around 10 or 11 pm, was in Mabs last week and pick up a nice girl, Brenda from Parra, 250 brl, oral without and french kiss.

Yesterday, attempted to meet up with the black hottie Kim from 4 x 4 for hotel action. Unable to connect. Finally agreed to meet at 1100 pm after her shift.

Took a nap and awoke at 900 pm. Feeling horny visited the club. 4 x 4 was going off with a wide selection of hotties. This was the first time found 4 x 4 desirable.

Found Kim and decided to test drive for a 30 minute session. Chica is a sexy ghetto rapper type chica with a fine ass. Not really GFE. She is not a fan of DFK and BJ's. It's still nice screwing her. Decided no outside session with her. She was still expecting to leave with me at 1100 pm.

Decided to hangout and drink some imperio beers. Discovered a petite sexy fashion college student.

It's interesting that in Colombia and Brazil the slim and petite chicas get less attention. These are my preferred types.

She spoke good English. Complete sweetheart that can shake her booty. Nice to kiss and hold such a tiny chica. Obtained number and shall follow up outside the club.

"There is money to be made shorting the BR index and currency. And it is mispriced.

I told you".

5% gain in a week shorting the BRL and tiny losses on some stocks I shorted but with large gain potential, aka 250% annualized. And another window opportunity in a month. I am surrounded by young pussy. I've got to ration it to stop becoming jaded. Now, the important question is how to share my gains. Here is the plan:

Tonight I think a sunset on the beach, maybe a sly BJ between sips on my BRL10 caipirinha. Be sure to use envelhecida premium, and I suggest Magnifica Envelhecida Cachaa (see pics). Use a demerara or turbinado sugar. I'm taking to bringing my own ice, mint and limes to ensure quality. The alternative is to make arrangements with a local beach bar to keep my stash and get BRL5 for the hassle storing and mixing it. My girls like it, helps wash down a load of tadpoles from their cute little mouths that have become very skilled at getting me off. Salty kisses, surf, sunshine and sex. This is the way life should be. Enjoy it, beats the pants of some bullshit suburban faux lifestyle with all of the well documented downsides.

Brazil has many opportunities and good companies. But in getting a return on money, bang for buck in pleasure, this place rocks. There is an entire parallel universe of high quality restaurants and organic food outside of the tawdry Copa. There are entire regions and towns in this big country with natural beauty, food and cool people. Great gyms, hiking trails, personal trainers for next to nothing. Needless to say, I just cannot stop smiling given two or more mind shattering orgasms a day with beautiful young women in their peak. I've even found reliable, real (non sex) massage places.

So at what time dark room opens? 8, 10 or 10:30?

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2750451]I'm taking to bringing my own ice, mint and limes to ensure quality. The alternative is to make arrangements with a local beach bar to keep my stash and get BRL5 for the hassle storing and mixing it.[/QUOTE]Seriously? I have never had a bad caipirinha in Brazil. Some have been better than others, but never bad. I like traditional caipirinhas and save the mint for mojitos.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2750451]"There is money to be made shorting the BR index and currency. And it is mispriced.

I told you".

5% gain in a week shorting the BRL and tiny losses on some stocks I shorted but with large gain potential, aka 250% annualized. And another window opportunity in a month. I am surrounded by young pussy. I've got to ration it to stop becoming jaded. Now, the important question is how to share my gains. [/QUOTE]You told us to short on September 24th.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you had shorted the BRL and Bovespa stocks on September 24 you would have lost 4-5%. The Brazilian currency and markets have not been shaken by the election. Quite the contrary, both BRL and the Brazilian stock market have strengthened since the election.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2749735]Too early Mabs at 6 pm better around 10 or 11 pm, was in Mabs last week and pick up a nice girl, Brenda from Parra, 250 brl, oral without and french kiss.[/QUOTE]Mabs is done my friend. It's depressing to go there at the moment. Hardly any girls ply their trades there these days. I poked my head in there often over the last month and the talent is practically gone. A few hardened seasoned pros from the help days show up sometimes but from what I saw, the men usually outnumbered the gp's. Something is definitely going on behind the management scene at mabs that I can't quite put my finger on it. Anyways, Find loads of former mabs girls and many more beauties at the nearby boates: dolce vita, Casablanca, Marrakech, and kalabria. These 4 boates are all with 2 blocks max of mabs.

Currently Brazil still require foreigners to be fully vaccinated in order to enter the country. I got my two doses of Moderna covid vaccines last year but did not get any booster shots afterwards. Will I be considered 'fully vaccinated' and be allowed to enter Brazil?

[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2750541]Currently Brazil still require foreigners to be fully vaccinated in order to enter the country. I got my two doses of Moderna covid vaccines last year but did not get any booster shots afterwards. Will I be considered 'fully vaccinated' and be allowed to enter Brazil?[/QUOTE]Yes.

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[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2750471]So at what time dark room opens? 8, 10 or 10:30?[/QUOTE]Its definitely not 8:00. For 8:00 go to 1417 in the same building. Unsure about Dark Room opening hours.

I was more finely timed on my forex play, all right around election day and a collar, so all is well. The BRL IMHO remains undervalued. Brazil has issues but nothing compared to the under funded retirement infrastructure (aka social security & euro equivalents in the west), water issues in the south, too much financial engineering, immigration, a shaky euro and deleveraging that is yet to play out. Brazil has got commodities priced in international currencies, an educated workforce, water and can feed and energize itself. Europe is in a mess and likely to stay that way by refusing to retain nuclear (exception being France) & too much immigration of the poor with cultural clashes. Brazil has lots of beautiful young ladies, and that is joy!

I'm pretty sure that weaponizing the dollar against Russia set off alarm bells in China and OPEC and Iran, that should be doing well, has always been stymied. The USD still rules, but I think by the end of this decade things will look very different.

The touristy caipirinha has some sketchy mass produced faux cachaça. Once you get the good stuff and a demerara you will immediately see the difference.

Carry on boys, have fun and enjoy life!

The Week in Baseball.

Monday, Vagabundo headed into Centro on a bus from Transamerica at 15 h30, and caught a massage and bang at a prive, which was really very very good.

Tuesday, Vagabundo went for a 50 reais special for 20 minutes at a centro prive, which was fine, and then linked up with a good wingman and checked out another prive.

Wednesday, Vagabundo did a half hour session with Noemie Bilas which was a animalistic right to the point fuck, just really perfect.

As for the economics, well, the thing is, the amounts are so de minimus, for example, 50 reais, which is less than 10 USD, for a good bang with a super round bundinha, compared to the amounts that your portfolio moves, it is not even really worth calculating. It is like being Billy Pilgrim in Slaughterhouse 5. You are on a planet completely different from the aliens on the planet you are in, and you are surrounded by so many options for sex that it is just really a separate reality.

[QUOTE=Shamester;2750307]Yesterday, attempted to meet up with the black hottie Kim from 4 x 4 for hotel action. Unable to connect. Finally agreed to meet at 1100 pm after her shift.

Took a nap and awoke at 900 pm. Feeling horny visited the club. 4 x 4 was going off with a wide selection of hotties. This was the first time found 4 x 4 desirable.

Found Kim and decided to test drive for a 30 minute session. Chica is a sexy ghetto rapper type chica with a fine ass. Not really GFE. She is not a fan of DFK and BJ's. It's still nice screwing her. Decided no outside session with her. She was still expecting to leave with me at 1100 pm.

Decided to hangout and drink some imperio beers. Discovered a petite sexy fashion college student.

It's interesting that in Colombia and Brazil the slim and petite chicas get less attention. These are my preferred types.

She spoke good English. Complete sweetheart that can shake her booty. Nice to kiss and hold such a tiny chica. Obtained number and shall follow up outside the club.[/QUOTE]

The Best Brazil Trade.

Below is the USD BRL exchange rate since Covid. Regardless of tactical and technical trades, the trade that has worked and still works is to come to Brazil and stay as long as possible.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2750498]You told us to short on September 24th.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you had shorted the BRL and Bovespa stocks on September 24 you would have lost 4-5%. The Brazilian currency and markets have not been shaken by the election.Quite the contrary, both BRL and the Brazilian stock market have strengthened since the election.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2750969]
The touristy caipirinha has some sketchy mass produced faux cachaa. Once you get the good stuff and a demerara you will immediately see the difference.
[/QUOTE]Great insight my friend. You are Preaching the truth!!

Signed: daily caipirinha consumer.

Samba Theta Volatility Trade.

Team,

Equipe.

Ohla pra mim, cada senmana, you mofos sell the 1 week call option 2% out of the mfkin money, and pay for that put option 5% OTM, on ticker EWZ, and then you take your profits and each week, you invest them in sliding your dick into the bare naked negra pussy in centro for like 140 reais, which is 28 unitedse states dollars.

Rinse rpeat.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2750969]I was more finely timed on my forex play, all right around election day and a collar, so all is well. The BRL IMHO remains undervalued. Brazil has issues but nothing compared to the under funded retirement infrastructure (aka social security & euro equivalents in the west), water issues in the south, too much financial engineering, immigration, a shaky euro and deleveraging that is yet to play out. Brazil has got commodities priced in international currencies, an educated workforce, water and can feed and energize itself. Europe is in a mess and likely to stay that way by refusing to retain nuclear (exception being France) & too much immigration of the poor with cultural clashes. Brazil has lots of beautiful young ladies, and that is joy!

I'm pretty sure that weaponizing the dollar against Russia set off alarm bells in China and OPEC and Iran, that should be doing well, has always been stymied. The USD still rules, but I think by the end of this decade things will look very different.

The touristy caipirinha has some sketchy mass produced faux cachaa. Once you get the good stuff and a demerara you will immediately see the difference.

Carry on boys, have fun and enjoy life![/QUOTE]

So it's finally here and time for me to experience Rio.

Not a stranger at all to overseas travel but this will be my first Rio trip. And would welcome any advice available.

Solo travel (first is this a safe idea?

Looking at Airbnb but will probably feel more secure in a hotel. (Any advice on guest friendly hotels is welcome).

Will start looking for woman on tinder but any other advice is appreciated.

Thank you in advance fellas.

Wow. At a boutique be & be on Itapua Beach area, sipping a cocktail. I have a peronite 19 year old I met in Salvador, currently off swimming for an hour, her cute little mouth kissed me before leaving, holding my head in her little hands as she kissed me. Very romantic evening last night looking at Jupiter on its closest approach in my lifetime and she snuggled up, hand resting on my thigh. Always ready to give a BJ. She wanted to know why last night I did not do her anally after our walk. Prolly because her pussy is so tight and sweet and BJ expertly done while fondling my balls and butt. She has this amazing teen glow of health and smiles. Laughs a lot. The plan is the head south to Itacare tomorrow or the next day. The seafood restaurants near here are amazing. So is the swimming. The entire coast up this way is full of cool things.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a8lDXH2qa0[/URL]

This is the signature song, and armed with my Magnifica Envelhecida Cachaa and Guyana Rhum and a bit of hash, I'm grinning like an idiot. All of this for a bit more that $US120 a day. I glad to see at least one other member, OJeito, onto the better cachaca and caipirinha. So she and I were singing along to it in the shower, she correcting my Porto, me spanking her playfully !

Salvador is about a 2 hour flight from Rio and is a great place, lots of beautiful old buildings and no shortage of beautiful women, restaurants, good coffee and ocean views in the nice parts of town.

Brazil rocks ! It is insane how so many beautiful women there are and so accessible and fun to hang with.


If there were a way to put a value on joy and pleasure. smiling, laughing aloud, singing in the shower with a stunning, naked teen, this is the best trade I ever made.

I was just thinking: this young thing with such smooth skin, beautiful looks. Somehow she learned how to please men really well, probably had quite a few over the last 18 months and became very experienced and free of shame or any rancor. So different from USA. This experience is so damned great I'm pinching myself. Brothers, we are truly living. Daily exercise and this, a run and workout, quick shower, BJ, and breakfast looking across the table at this beautiful young thing that provides so much aesthetic, psychic and sexual pleasure.

May this is why Brazil has Cristo Redentor, redeeming us from the grey, miserable, straight jacketed existence of suburban USA. This like a parallel universe.

Swim, Sex, Drink.

So homegirl comes over. Maybe she needed money. She is on the first day of a week over here for which she gets 800 a week, plus expenses, which are our food and drink.

We went to the beach. I swam. I lost a fin. Then I got it back. The surf was high. I did 5. 5 miles, along the coast, up to posto 9, then back down to posto 2.

Girl stayed at the beach, and I got her dinner with some fried fish and a caprihina for us. We smoked weed after I got done with the swim and the jog back.

Then we came back and we went to the supermarket. I bought 550 reais worth of booze and mixers, Jamesons for Vagabundo and Old Parr for her.

Let's just say we might have a substance abuse problem.

Well, I like young black pussy. We then fucked. She is 20, and we did it bare. Below is a girl I was fucking when I was with the Swiss Navy exchange special agent program in North America, where I drove her between live fire out at 29 Stumps with the Joint Interagency Task Force.

[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/models/ashton-devine[/URL]#_tabVideos.

She has had a kid, she gives good throat, her pussy is tight, and I used her like a toy, but she flaked on me when some white girl wanted to have a black girl dominate her at a bar in West Hollywood. We showed up to meet the white girl who had agreed to be a slave, but she did not go through with it. Anyway, now Ashton Devine escorts. PM me for details, for you North American mongers. Because I may not be a pimp, but I was a driver.

Life is grim.

Oh yea, I also put jeweled butt plugs up Ashton Devine's ass in my huge condo in SoCal, of which I will post pictures here.

Just because that same negra pussy is so much cheaper in Rio and Brazil. Which is why you should come and stay. But make Ashton Devine gag for me, and tell her that. Well PM me.

Be careful where you drive. Five Italians, studying in São Paulo, went to Rio for some holiday. After a party in Marina the Gloria, at 4. 30 AM, they got hungry and headed to McDonald's on Avenida Brasil, close to Linha Amarela. They misunderstood the GPS and entered by mistake the favela Complexo the Maré. The bandits opened fire and two of the Italians got hit (by the same bullit) in the arm and the rib.

[URL]https://www.meiahora.com.br/geral/2022/10/6504923-turistas-italianos-sao-baleados-na-mare-apos-erro-de-gps.html[/URL]

Thanks for the item, senor sperto!

Google translation.

Italian tourists shot in Maré after GPS error.

According to the Military Police, the victims were on Avenida Brasil and entered the community by mistake.

By the day.

Published at 08:55 on 10/14/2022 - Updated at 2:53 pm on 10/14/2022.

The victims managed to reach the Evandro Freire Hospital, on Ilha do Governador, after being shot.

The victims managed to reach the Evandro Freire Hospital, on Ilha do Governador, after being shot. Sandro Vox / Agência O DIA.

Rio- Two Italian tourists were shot after mistakenly entering Complexo the Maré, in the North Zone of Rio, in the early hours of Friday (14). According to the Military Police, the victims were on Avenida Brasil and accessed the community through the GPS device. Three other people were also in the vehicle at the time of the shooting, but were not injured.

Also according to the corporation, military police officers from the 17th BPM (Ilha do Governador) were called to check the entry of two people injured by gunshots at the Evandro Freire Municipal Hospital, on Ilha do Governador. The group managed to leave the community shortly after the shooting and went straight to the hospital. According to the Municipal Health Department, the health status of the victims, identified as Riccardo Cefis, 21, and Nicolo Desiato, 23, is stable.

At first, the PM had reported that the victims had been shot in the Manguinhos Complex, also in the North Zone, but they corrected it by clarifying that the shootings took place in the neighboring community.

The case was initially registered at the 37th DP (Ilha do Governador) and forwarded to the Tourist Office (Deat). In testimony, one of the passengers of the vehicle reported that the attack by the criminals took place around 4:30 am, and that the group was leaving a party at Marina the Glória, in Aterro do Flamengo. Upon leaving the event, they went to fill up their vehicle, a Tiggo 3 x Pro, on Linha Amarela, but when they left the gas station, the GPS took the five of them into the community, where the car was shot at. The tourists were staying in São Paulo and came for a walk in Rio.

According to the Civil Police, the vehicle will be forensicized and other witnesses must testify.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2753145]Be careful where you drive. Five Italians, studying in So Paulo, went to Rio for some holiday. After a party in Marina the Gloria, at 4. 30 AM, they got hungry and headed to McDonald's on Avenida Brasil, close to Linha Amarela. They misunderstood the GPS and entered by mistake the favela Complexo the Mar. The bandits opened fire and two of the Italians got hit (by the same bullit) in the arm and the rib.

[URL]https://www.meiahora.com.br/geral/2022/10/6504923-turistas-italianos-sao-baleados-na-mare-apos-erro-de-gps.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

This will be my first trip to rio, will be here till Sunday. Anyone wants to hangout please dm me. Planning to go 4 x4, nightclub etc.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2754530]This will be my first trip to rio, will be here till Sunday. Anyone wants to hangout please dm me. Planning to go 4 x4, nightclub etc.[/QUOTE]ENJOY! My first trip to Rio will be in December! Looking forward to it. Would you mind a little report if 4 x 4 after your experience?

I definitely look forward to reporting my stay over there.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2754530]This will be my first trip to rio, will be here till Sunday. Anyone wants to hangout please dm me. Planning to go 4 x4, nightclub etc.[/QUOTE]Tried to send you a PM about a group in Rio but your Inbox is full. Please make some space if you want the info.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2754591]Tried to send you a PM about a group in Rio but your Inbox is full. Please make some space if you want the info.[/QUOTE]Hi, just cleared my inbox and sent you a PM. Not a good start to this trip, first time ever meeting a Uber bandit.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2754599]Hi, just cleared my inbox and sent you a PM. Not a good start to this trip, first time ever meeting a Uber bandit.[/QUOTE]Info sent. What happened with the Uber?

[URL]Massagemtijuca.com[/URL] Jessica, te amo.

Today, Vagabundo went with fellow ISGer Dandyman to [URL]Massagemtijuca.com[/URL].

Jessica is a goddess.

[URL]https://www.massagemtijuca.com/massagistas[/URL]

The cost was $160 r in cash. I came twice. I played Maria Gadu radio on music. [URL]google.com[/URL], or music. [URL]youtube.com[/URL] or whatever it is now.

Anyway, you know, the language barrier and all prevent me from taking it further, but she is so fricking hot. Well, just one man's opinion.

Then, I took the metro to centro, and banged Noemie Bilas, and all the while thought of fucking a young Michelle Obama, here in adult Disneyland.

Then, I went to Club 21 at Rua Buenos Aires 21 (sidestreet). OMFG. The girls there are so hot. It is Halloween, so the Carnival has started. So, you know, if the rest of the world goes to war, I am staying.

Then we went to Cais do Oriente, and had a excellent meal. Such good non pro talent sitting there on a nice evening. Summer is coming, Carnival too!

I bit the bullet and finally arrived at the bbl capital of the world. No bitcoins for DM. But I imagine I'll run into the ISGers at the routine locations. How long into the night are the clubs going and relatively safe?

[QUOTE=SunFloater;2754834]I bit the bullet and finally arrived at the bbl capital of the world. No bitcoins for DM. But I imagine I'll run into the ISGers at the routine locations. How long into the night are the clubs going and relatively safe?[/QUOTE]Why BBJ capital? Why not pussy sex capital, anal capital, or threesome, rimming or bejo negro capital? Because Rio is all that and then some, and it wants you to enjoy it to the fullest, kkkk.

Business hours depend on the type of club, obviously. Termas might be open till midnight or sometimes later as long as there are customers. Others like Mabs is open 24 hours if I'm not mistaken (haven't been in a while). Clubs are safe inside, but take a cab or Uber to get home.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2754905]Why BBJ capital? Why not pussy sex capital, anal capital, or threesome, rimming or bejo negro capital? Because Rio is all that and then some, and it wants you to enjoy it to the fullest, kkkk.

Business hours depend on the type of club, obviously. Termas might be open till midnight or sometimes later as long as there are customers. Others like Mabs is open 24 hours if I'm not mistaken (haven't been in a while). Clubs are safe inside, but take a cab or Uber to get home.[/QUOTE]LOL BBL not BBJ. But yes from reading what you guys have said about this place I understood when I saw the stellar genetics walking the beach. Although funny you say this right after I get an unprompted BBJ from one off photoacompanhantes. I will say her BBL felt and smacked great. But def not the girl in the pictures and avoided me pointing that out. Did the job but attitude not great and lied about 2 rounds. Nice body overall, face ok. 300+uber.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/copacabana/gata-linda-de-corpo-perfeito-nova-na-regiao-id-438zv[/URL]

Alas, disappointing first in Rio but might be an indication to go to the regular clubs and throw some bad Portuguese out there. A 3 some with some natural big booty non-pros is a Rio goal of mine.

Also I read Mabs was not worth going anymore.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2754905]Why BBJ capital? Why not pussy sex capital, anal capital, or threesome, rimming or bejo negro capital? Because Rio is all that and then some, and it wants you to enjoy it to the fullest, kkkk.[/QUOTE]Brazilian Butt Lift BBL.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2754935]Brazilian Butt Lift BBL.[/QUOTE]One of these days I'll learn how to read, I promise, LOL.

I arrived into Rio at SDH with my last day in SP the night before not ending that well, hoping I can end it on a great note or at least have a good time here.

Called an uber, I always used comfort or black from this trip on since X almost usually cancels. The first one asked me where I'm going, being that I already put the address in the uber app destination. Told him Leblon. First one got cancelled. 2nd one accepted, asked me where I'm going while I'm on the way to the Uber meeting point, again the full address is already there, told him leblon, and he did a? So I said leblon again.

On pickup, he told me to put my hand luggage in the front seat. Seemed strange at first, but I let it go. In the car, I realized there is a difference between the Uber address and google map address of Sheraton Rio, but both are correct being 121 Avenieda Niemeyer, just that the one on uber is few 100 meters away, which I found out later was the old address and no longer valid. Changed it to the correct one in the uber. Ubermensch saw it, ask me did I just changed address? Told him yes, but its the same location, just the correct address shown on google. He then told me there is a price difference, and he did not sound happy about it. I told him, its the same address, but this time with the name of the hotel on the uber app, being it my first time in Rio, I had no idea which one is correct either.

He got frustrated and told me there is a change of price. I said ok. After a few moment while on the way through somewhere I'm not familiar with, he then asked me in Portuguese, so? What shall we do now?/ what are we going to do now? I, already felt a little stressed out by his attitude, felt more in danger than before, like I'm about to be brought somewhere to get robbed etc.

Then again, I was pissed off, no way this ubermensch is going to try to screw with me like I'm a new tourist. I've been to Brazil for many years for gods sake.

The only way to appease him is to tell him, ok, ill pay you the difference once we get there.

About 10-15 minutes on the road, he then asked me, how am I going to pay him? I just ignored that ubermensch, which now at this point he thinks he has an upper hand, what a gutsy ubermensch.

Realised I ignored him, he asked again in a few minute, senhor! Eu te fiz uma pergunta. I asked, que? He wanted to know how am I going to pay. Answered him, via uber app. Went through a street, and he honked on a few location looking outside, maybe at someone he knows that I couldn't see. I was thinking. What is going on here, then at a traffic light, he honked again, talking to this garbage collector guy, can't really make out what are they saying, but it was quick words.

At this point, I'm already uneasy, pissed, and worried, I should have told him to stop me and let me get down. Once arrived at the hotel, I got down of the car, try to get my luggage from the front, and he did not let me open it, and pointed to his phone uber app, and say, so what now? All these conversations are in portuguese, none in English. I told him I don't know what you just said, now let me get my bag, at this point I'm not longer afraid being that, there are securities close by. Now the only feeling left is I'm pissed. At last he lets me open the front door, take out my luggage, which is locked with a TSA lock. Then before closing the front door, I told this ubermensch who thinks he is very high up in the sky now. To basically go suck his own donkey dick. Told him if he is not happy about this, not feeling good about it, call the police and deal with it, slam the door and walked off. And also shouted him a Uber bandido. He shouted something which I couldn't hear, was at the check in counter and saw his car still there for a few, then he was gone after.

I've been to so many cities, POA, Floripa, SP, Recife, Pernambucco etc, and have not met people like this, first time in Rio, which did not gave me a good impression and gave me a bad feeling about this place.

And hell to the no I was never going to pay him the difference, I was just trying to delay him till I get to a safe spot, which is the hotel, I had many other opportunities to stop too.

This kind of behaviour does not belong to Brazil or even Uber drivers, Taxis? Maybe yea. No way in hell I was going to let this Ubermensch be so over the top Ubermenschen, this guy needs to get down from his high horse in the sky.

I reported him to Uber, on the safety link, and said he threathened me, and I did not feel safe, like the situation I described. Told this to the personal check in agent too, which he completely agrees with me, that he should go deal with uber and not me. About 30 minutes after or so, got a call, but couldn't answer. Then got an email from uber, saying they will investigate this, and I am refunded in full. That night, got another email, saying that they will continue to investigate this, and the driver has been dealt with. Today his profile is not available anymore when I go take a look. Must have been suspended. Good for him. Now he is Untermensch for messing with the wrong person he thinks is a new tourist in Brasil.

His name is Jose and he drives a Ford Ecosport KWI7 J89 , so if you guys see this, cancel it.

So I'm going to compare the places I've been to in Rio VS SP, the environment, the ladies, and the ratings.

Went to 4 x 4 , Monte Carlo, Dolce Vita, Kalabria, Solarium, Mosaico, perola negra.

I rate Scandallo 10/10, Bomboa 8/10, Cafe foto 9/10, Casarao 6/10.

4 x 4- if compared to only in Rio, this is the best one in terms of girls that I would rate at least an 8 . Saw 2 that I would go out with on a Friday. Environment, I give it a 7 being its too small, tiny, everyone seemed squished. Ok music, just like a tiny disco with seating. Compared to bomboa, bomboa is bigger.

Few of them ladies can be Scandallo caliber. Spoke to 1 of them, who had worked in Scandallo before. Did not partake in anything, wanted to see if I can find better, what silliness am I thinking. Wished I got their numbers to meet outside.

So, ambiance compared to Scandallo, 4 x 4 ,5/10, scandallo 10/10, Bomboa 8/10, Cafe Foto 8/10.

Ladies, similar to Bomboa, Cafe foto, perhaps Scandallo level on good days. Every girls are in bikinis or in lingerie being its a termas. 4 x 4, 8/10 Bomboa 7.5/10, Cafe foto 8/10, yea I find 4 x 4 girls has more prettier girls than bomboa.

Monte Carlo- on a Saturday, was bad, only few ladies, all ugly. Not fair to give any rating since I'm there on a bad day. Just used sauna and left. The only lady is best looking is the receptionist lady, she is a 8 in that whole termas, 8 in that termas don't mean I will take them out with me either.

Solarium-pretty nice place, slightly bigger than 4 x 4, better facilities, still at peak, people has nowhere to stand and have to stand at the end of the staircase. Saw few doable ones. All the termas I been too, those asses do look very good, big and fit, which I liked, but I emphasize more on the looks. Talk to few of them, and one very tall morena. Did not have a good vibe with her, but she do look good. She kinda like did not want to have a conversation with me, and ask me if I want to namorada, to do it. I told her I'm not interested in doing here, and she said ok that's fine. A girl quoted me 2000 reais to meet outside for the whole night, did not bargain as I don't really like how she looks on closeup, and her voice, hoarsly. Her body is 10/10 though. Would have tried to start from 800 if I really wanted to, with 1500 max, being a Saturday. Music sucks, Sauna too hot. Left 1 hour before close. Solarium 8.5/10 vs 7.5/10 Bomboa, 10/10 Scandallo. Lookwise many of them can be working in Scandallo, and some had worked there but did not like it. I would come back.

Dolce Vita night club. Entrance 50 RS. Loud music, party atmosphere, the DJ sucks, look and quality wise, they are Casarao caliber, maybe a little lower than casarao. Only saw 1 acceptable looking girl.

Ambience-- Casarao wins. Compared to bomboa, cafe foto, scandallo, they have 10 times better music, DJ, singers, and more lively party atmosphere. Smoke are everywhere. Went back and my jeans and clothes smell like heavy cigarettes. Ratings are same with kalabria.

Mosaico--very shady part of town, first time going there in uber myself, uber driver had to tell the police car parked there to do a contra mal. That guy was scared. That street was that bad on the first look. Guy was dancing in front of the uber car like deer seeing a headlight. Uber driver introduced me to Kalabria. Met with Dandyman, decide to try mosaico again with him, this time the place cleared up, looks quite different from before, entrance 30 RS, girls quality, worse than casarao.

Perola Negra- not a good day for comparison, but place do look nice, would say the size of half of cafe foto. Looks more upscale being its in a richer area. Not too many girls, thought 1 was good looking, but she is actually a older lady, maybe 35 or so. Ambiance do look nice, I would spend time here again if I ever came back.

So my trip ended not on a high note, but on a horny and disappointing end of the trip. I should give Rio another chance. Was supposed to come here with a girl I met in SP, but she said she couldn't after confirming with her.

Met a girl on barravips, girl from SP for 4 hours on Friday night before going to dolce vita, went to have dinner. Again I met a silly uber driver, got to location, the location seemed very full, so we wanted to go further to look for a better one around barra the tijuca around the same street we were at, uber driver was not too happy, I'm not sure why he is not happy with this, he grumbled and complained in Portuguese, he is actually making more by going further, and us putting the right address in. My girl told him to calm down, and kept thanking him for indulging us. I wanted to ask her why are you appeasing this stupid fool of a driver? Are you the boss or is he? He is getting paid more if he goes further. Only in Rio I met this kind of dumbass uber drivers.

Found out she tried out scandallo too. Monique, and she is a 10/10 if she is in Scandallo. Had a good time. So. Tried asking a few from barra as to what is price for whole night, quoted me 3 k, countered with 1.5 k, they say no thank you. If I were to do this in SP, I would have gotten a few agreements. Even in Scandallo when I ask how much they want for it, 3 of them will say 2 k but will agree to 1200 to 1500,5 of them would just give me a number that is max I would have paid 1500. Bomboa, cafe foto its easier to get 800 to 1 k pernoite.

Strange Rio and SP price is backwards, as in more in SP will agree to my price, in Rio less will agree to what I want.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2755068]This kind of behaviour does not belong to Brazil or even Uber drivers, Taxis? Maybe yea. No way in hell I was going to let this Ubermensch be so over the top Ubermenschen, this guy needs to get down from his high horse in the sky.[/QUOTE]I'm happy you are ok, because bad things could have happened. I wrote some time ago that I don't take Uber anymore to or from the airports, because I want the ride to be smooth, without any extra drama. When I arrive, I want to get to my hotel as soon as possible to take a shower or sleep. When I go to the airport I don't want to risk missing my flight. From the GRU airport I always take a Guarucoop taxi and from SP to the airport I take a taxi from the hotel's taxi stand.

Are you going to try Centaurus? Since you seem to enjoy high-value spots in SP, you might like it even though it's not as good as it used to be. Maybe someone who's been there recently can chime in.

I've never had an issue with Uber in Rio, but I did have a couple of squabbles with cabbies (both times they tried to switch a $100 bill with the $2). I lost the first one, but stood my ground the second time around when I knew the drill. Those bad seeds do exist, but in my experience they're rare. BTW, depending on where you wanted to go in Jijuca, the Uber guy might've been concerned about his safety. I have no idea if that was the case, but Rio cabbies still seem to hate them. I heard from Uber guys that they'd been beaten up, cars damaged etc.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2755173]Are you going to try Centaurus? Since you seem to enjoy high-value spots in SP, you might like it even though it's not as good as it used to be. Maybe someone who's been there recently can chime in.

I've never had an issue with Uber in Rio, but I did have a couple of squabbles with cabbies (both times they tried to switch a $100 bill with the $2). I lost the first one, but stood my ground the second time around when I knew the drill. Those bad seeds do exist, but in my experience they're rare. BTW, depending on where you wanted to go in Jijuca, the Uber guy might've been concerned about his safety. I have no idea if that was the case, but Rio cabbies still seem to hate them. I heard from Uber guys that they'd been beaten up, cars damaged etc.[/QUOTE]I won't have a chance to try Centaurus unfortunately, a girl in 4 x4 told me it has little people so I didn't think of trying. I had a plane to catch back home yesterday, Sunday. Only spent 3 days in rio.

As for the uber driver feeling unsafe, I didn't like what I saw either, so I told him lets leave this place, back to copa. He introduced me to Kalabria.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2755357]I won't have a chance to try Centaurus unfortunately, a girl in 4 x4 told me it has little people so I didn't think of trying..[/QUOTE]Centaurus is very overrated in my opinion. They charge more because of their reputation and nice facilities but the girls quality isn't higher than other termas. I actually found it lower quality and they had less girls. Personally I probably won't visit Centaurus again.

Just left 4 x4 and T65 and ai just have to chuckle at T65 but here's my analysis.

4 x4 is just as Nuupter described, small but decent selection. I like to sit and watch which this club isn't the best for given how tight it can be but there's a lotta great ass to see. Talked to 3 girls, Silvia, Romana, and one Blondie with a big ass that can sorta pass as Italian. Silvia speaks English and can carry a Convo, nice body if you like slim small fake boobs and good vibes. Romana is more my type, big butt but not too fake, natural tits, pretty face but she made me chuckle, shortly after getting her number and telling her I'd be looking for something tomorrow all night (quoted me 500 as a starting point). She sees me talking to another girl and msgs me that if I don't want to do tonight she will delete my contact. Cool, good luck on business with that attitude LOL. The Brazilian Italian looking chick sat down at straight up "I like to be fucked deep in the ass", I almost did a spit take. I like how direct this one is, but up close you can see the plethora of foundation unfortunately. Great body tho, small fake tits.

T65. Well I'm surprised they charge 80 to get in the door but they told me for tonight it will include consumption. Only about 5-6 girls, average but decent slim bodies. Humping each other out of boredom and moaning, it was entertaining. Approached by cute girl, nice ass, kept telling me it was her first night and she used to manage a club and dance. Not sure why that matters. Other than that club is small and minimal seating once it gets crowded if it ever does. They told me tomorrow at 8 they will have about 6 girls doing some pole dance.

I'm glad I'm a picky ***** otherwise I would nailed 3 tonight, tomorrows another day. Stay frosty.

P.S. Don't walk between clubs solo like I did checking my GPS. I got some looks LOL.

Came to Rio from Medellin after about two weeks in the latter. Didn't get a chance to do a write-up until now so the post is a bit light on details. One big thing I immediately noticed is that Brazillian girls are way hotter than Colombian girls. I didn't realize how much hotter until I went from one to another and noticed the difference.

Sunday: Perola Negra. On my first full day I decided to hit up Perola Negra at night in part because it is one of the few places open on Sundays. There were a decent number of girls but nothing that suited my taste so I left without anything.

Wednesday: Photoacompahantes girl. I don't recall the name. She charged 300 and it was a pain in the ass to get to her apartment. Service was shitty too. She didn't have any reviews on gparena but I wanted someone who was nearby that I could fuck between meetings. Wasn't worth it.

Thursday: VM. Hit up VM with Vagabundo. Found an ok looking girl who did shitty OWO and had a meh fuck. Wouldn't repeat.

Friday: Massagem Tijuca. Went with Vagabundo. Almost all the girls were occupied. Vagabundo waited for his favorite girl Jessica, I headed to 4 x4. 4 x4 was good at around 6 PM, had a Brazillian and a Colombian girl sit with me. The Colombian was trying to set me up with the Brazillian girl but I liked the Colombian better. Girl from Baranquilla. We conversed mainly in Spanish with some English thrown in, way easier than Portuguese. Talked, made out and felt each other up for about 30 minutes before going to the room for 30 minutes. Good session. Her ass was disappointing but she was passionate and GFE, kept whispering slutty things in my ear while we were fucking. Didn't end up getting her numbers since my phone died. Had a headache all day so I didn't end up doing a second session. Had dinner with Chaychecker and Vagabundo afterwards.

Saturday: Planned on hitting up Mosaico. Caught up with Nuupter at Kalabria. Met a random Dutch gay guy who thought it was a gay club since apparently the location used to be a gay club. Nothing worth it at Kalabria but I wasn't charged cover for whatever reason so only paid about 20 Reais for a beer. Went to Mosaico at around 2 AM. There were a couple of decent girls but the place was rather empty. The girl I was eying left shortly after I got there. Another decent looking girl asked for 350 which I don't think she was worth though I didn't ask for how long. We went to Perola Negra as a last shot. The bouncer claimed there was 30 girls. More like 30 guys and like 15 girls. Nothing special. Probably should have got to Mosaico earlier or banged the Mosaico girl.

Monday: Went to 4 x4 again at around 8 PM. The reception recognized me and welcomed me in. Sat around for a bit and was approached by Lara. She speaks fluent English and is from Minas Gerais. Standard make-out and feeling for 30 minutes before I took her to a room for 30 minutes. She has a really nice Brazillian ass and her service was good. She said she had pure Portuguese ancestry and works twice a week in 4 x4 to pay her tuition. She also mentioned that she gets 180 of the 300 I paid the club. Went back down to watch a stripper show. There was a private party who had arrived in the mean time that ended up taking most of the good girls. There were 2 7's and an 8 that I really wanted to bang but they were occupied with the party. Spent some time in the Sauna and met a guy from Guadalupe who apparently organized the party. Got his contact info. He is apparently a trainer and a tour guide too. By the time I left at 10:30, there were significantly more guys than girls. A lot of the girls were leaving too. Still really enjoy 4 x4 so I probably will come back a couple more times.

[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2754591]Tried to send you a PM about a group in Rio but your Inbox is full. Please make some space if you want the info.[/QUOTE]Now your mailbox is full and I cannot send you a PM. Could you please clean it up?

[QUOTE=Thor91;2755463]Centaurus is very overrated in my opinion. They charge more because of their reputation and nice facilities but the girls quality isn't higher than other termas. I actually found it lower quality and they had less girls. Personally I probably won't visit Centaurus again.[/QUOTE]There was a time it was very good. It was known for having slim Euro looking girls. When Help Disco was active (before 2010) and there were mongers crawling all over the area, Centaurus had a nice niche in the market.

I'm sure there are a lot factors in why Centaurus has fallen. I think one contributing factor is the decline in foreign mongers. Less tourists around to pay top dollar. Anecdotally, I have hooked up with Centaurus girls after their shift. Some I ran into at Help. Others I arranged at the termas to meet later in the area. It's strategic location made it easy to hook-up after hours. The opportunity to make good money at Centaurus and then again afterward surely attracted many hot Rio girls.

[QUOTE=Ejjlk8274;2755570]Now your mailbox is full and I cannot send you a PM. Could you please clean it up?[/QUOTE]Done.

Done. Please send PM.

Went to Rio this past weekend and it started really bad. My first flight out of Lax had a mechanical issue that lasted about 4 hours. Yep, missed my connection. The airlines did what they could to help matters out with accomodation and food taken care of that night but with such a short trip, it only helped a little bit. The plan was on Friday to see my regular girl. Saturday and Monday to visit termas and prives. Sunday left open.

So arrived on Saturday and sure enough, my luggage didn't make it. I guess someone was telling me to turn around and go back home. LOL. Anyways nothing unusual going through immigration but at customs, they make you show them your passport. Don't remember doing this before but no big deal. Took uber black to my hotel which cost are $52.00. Since I lost one day I had to improvise the rest of the days here. So Saturday, which I ususally go to Solarium but decided instead to go to Monte Carlo. Based this decision because I didn't want to get stuck in traffic. I took the metro up there and regretted not taking an uber to Solarium. The metro was pretty packed. Back in the day it was mostly only during peak hours the metro was packed but this day was pretty bad. Live and learn. Anyways, get to Monte Carlo and not sure if it was the same Saturday that Nuppter visited, but I had the same opinion. There were only three girls and no other customers besides me. They were not lookers for sure but I took one up anyways. The clock was ticking for me and I wanted to get my first nut off. Her name was Anna and she had a decent face but was on the bigger side. At least it was all natural. What Anna didn't have in looks, she more than made up for it with service. Not sure if it was because of the missed connection, lost luggage, miss my day with the regular, but for whatever reason, I couldn't get it up. She worked her mouth like there was no tomorrow and finally I got somewhat hard. Everytime we tried to mish I would go soft and again she would work her magic. Finally she got it hard enough to start mish and doggy but not the problem was not finishing. After a while I told I couldn't cum and it's okay to finish our session. She said not yet. She told me to lay face down and she would massage my stress away. Believe or not, I did like her massage and I felt great after. Best session without a release I ever had. I also agree with Nuupter, the receptionist was the best looking garota there.

Siinday, I was thinking of going to vm since everything in centro would be closed. I didn't go because I still had last night on my mind of first not getting it up, then not finishing so went to Botofogo to see a movie instead. Trying to stay cool and claming myself. Saw Black Adam which to me was just okay. Also if any newbies goes to the movies and want Enlish spoken, choose the showing with (leg) or legdado beside the time. This means subtitle. So basically a chill day but spoke to my regular and she said she would come to my hotel before work tomorrow. She works at a mall about an hour away from my hotel so she took the bus and light rail to get to me. She arrived around 10:00 and I told her checkout was at 12:00 although I'm sure they would have giving me late check out if I asked for it. Her start time for work is at 13:30 so didn't ask since she had to leave at 12:15 at the lastest. To make a long story short, she was what the doctor ordered. No stress, no problems getting it up and no problem finishing. Just the GFE I needed including BBFS. Feeling good but with time before heading to the airport, did some exploring in centro. Visited the library there and it is great for picture taking. I was only disappointed that you couldn't walk up the different levels. At about 14:30 I went to Cancun, or whatever it's called now. Since it was early there were only two girls there. Unlike Monte Carlo, since 4 x4 was so close, I didn't session here. I did buy a drink for one of the girls and had a good conversation. Just trying to kill time before heading to the airport. After I paid the bill, as I was walking out a beautiful blond girls was coming in. After telling the girl I bought the drink for that I was going to the airport, I left. Hopefully I can meet her the next time I'm in Rio. I get to 4 x4 and it's slow but there are a handfull of good looking girls. I picked a blond morena to have a drink. For some reason she looked familiar. Finally it hit me, she used to work at Cancun or whatever the name is. So I asked her if she remembered me. She appologise and said she didn't. I asked her if she worked at Cancun and she said yes. So we converse for a while then head upstairs. I don't know if it was the foreplay or her being sorry that she didn't remember me, but her session ended up BBFS also. This is probably only the third time I have had BBFS at a terma in Rio. Now taking a girl back to the hotel from a terma was different with regards to BBFS. Also, I know her real name but I forgot what her stage name is so please don't ask. She is a blond morena with fake tities. After these two great sessions, I'm now ready to go to the airport. Took the lvs to my hotel, then uber to the airport. The uber x was only are $42.00. So what started off a disaster turned into a gem.

[QUOTE=SunFloater;2755520]Just left 4 x4 and T65 and ai just have to chuckle at T65 but here's my analysis.

[b]P.S. Don't walk between clubs solo like I did checking my GPS. I got some looks LOL.[/b][/QUOTE]Try to lower your "victim" risk profile.

1. View your cell phone Map App / GPS and read step-by-step directions to orient yourself prior to departing (current safe location) for your intended destination.

2. If you have at least one cell phone [U]wireless earpiece[/U] (or use both but still be able to hear and have Situational Awareness) try using it and [U]listen to you Map App/GPS step-by-step-directions[/U] from cellphone that is in your [U]pocket instead of full view[/U].

[QUOTE=QuackUp;2755817] Anyways, get to Monte Carlo and not sure if it was the same Saturday that Nuppter visited, but I had the same opinion. There were only three girls and no other customers besides me. They were not lookers for sure but I took one up anyways. The clock was ticking for me and I wanted to get my first nut off. Her name was Anna and she had a decent face but was on the bigger side. At least it was all natural. What Anna didn't have in looks, she more than made up for it with service. Not sure if it was because of the missed connection, lost luggage, miss my day with the regular, but for whatever reason, I couldn't get it up. She worked her mouth like there was no tomorrow and finally I got somewhat hard. Everytime we tried to mish I would go soft and again she would work her magic. Finally she got it hard enough to start mish and doggy but not the problem was not finishing. After a while I told I couldn't cum and it's okay to finish our session. She said not yet. She told me to lay face down and she would massage my stress away. Believe or not, I did like her massage and I felt great after. Best session without a release I ever had. I also agree with Nuupter, the receptionist was the best looking garota there..[/QUOTE]Yep, that was the same Saturday, was there about 8.00 pm, seen nothing, wanted to leave, receptionist tells me why don't I use the sauna, so I did for a bit, then went back to solarium, at 9. 30 no need reentry fee. Solarium was packed by the time I went back. Saw few Americans leaving, paying at the reception when I got to Monte Carlo.

4 x 4 is open on Sundays?

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2756018]

4 x 4 is open on Sundays?[/QUOTE]No. Centro is a dead zone on Sunday.

Hi, I read tons of pages on the is forum (thanks for the great info). I am settled on mainly checking out Solarium and maybe 4 x4.

I want to say that I read somewhere (but can't find it now) that solarium and 4 x4 both have a lounge area where you don't have to change into bathrobe. Is that correct?

Also is it safe to walk from Hilton to dolce vita and the clubs near dolce vita? Seems silly to take a Uber one block but some people say Uber even one block at night LOL.

Finally, is safe to take Uber from 4 x4 to copa late at night (after midnight)?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ozu2019;2756122]Hi, I read tons of pages on the is forum (thanks for the great info). I am settled on mainly checking out Solarium and maybe 4 x4.

I want to say that I read somewhere (but can't find it now) that solarium and 4 x4 both have a lounge area where you don't have to change into bathrobe. Is that correct?

Also is it safe to walk from Hilton to dolce vita and the clubs near dolce vita? Seems silly to take a Uber one block but some people say Uber even one block at night LOL.

Finally, is safe to take Uber from 4 x4 to copa late at night (after midnight)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]The answer to all 3 questions is Yes.

[QUOTE=Ozu2019;2756122]Hi, I read tons of pages on the is forum (thanks for the great info). I am settled on mainly checking out Solarium and maybe 4 x4.

I want to say that I read somewhere (but can't find it now) that solarium and 4 x4 both have a lounge area where you don't have to change into bathrobe. Is that correct?

Also is it safe to walk from Hilton to dolce vita and the clubs near dolce vita? Seems silly to take a Uber one block but some people say Uber even one block at night LOL.

Finally, is safe to take Uber from 4 x4 to copa late at night (after midnight)?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]First, you chose wisely.

Second, I think I've seen people in street clothes at 4 x4. Solarium. Don't think so.

It's more than 1 block, but it wouldn't occur to me to Uber from Hilton to Dolce Vita. My personal safety standards still allow me to walk along Av. Atlantica even at night, but yes, people have been mugged even on Atlantica. That's totally up to you, but I don't know if any Uber will take you for such a short ride at night, so get a cab.

[QUOTE=Ozu2019;2756122]...Finally, is safe to take Uber from 4 x4 to copa late at night (after midnight)? [/QUOTE]Someone else probably can answer this better. There are taxis waiting in front of 4 x4. It will take longer to get Uber in front on 4 x4. That is why some of us walk to Av. Pres. Vargas to get Uber. But there is a danger being robbed when walking there.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2756018]Yep, that was the same Saturday, was there about 8.00 pm, seen nothing, wanted to leave, receptionist tells me why don't I use the sauna, so I did for a bit, then went back to solarium, at 9. 30 no need reentry fee. Solarium was packed by the time I went back. Saw few Americans leaving, paying at the reception when I got to Monte Carlo.

4 x 4 is open on Sundays?[/QUOTE]Sorry for my bad penmanship. The venues are closed on Sunday. I went to 4 x4 and Cancun on Monday.

Sat at feira Sao cristovao with future call sign dandyman and pv118.

Dandyman told a pretty good joke:

If you're at war, shoot at the enemy. If they surrender they are the French. If they respond with precision fire they are British. If they respond with artillery they are German. If they respond with airstrikes they are American (or swiss naval infantry) . Oohrah close air support.

Man like that has to be put on titty bar surveys and HoneyTraps LLC DBA Texas Honkey Tonks Brazil LLC!

Friday. Vagabundo, Dandyman, PV118, Centro, Feira Sao Cristavao.

Friday, Vagabundo and Dandyman left Transamerica together at 1720 on the bus (always get a bus pass if you book a room at av gastao senges 395). It was raining. The bus was late. It's Brazil. So it goes.

So it goes is a refrain from Slaughterhouse 5, for all you heminway types out there.

It is appropro of we few, we happy few, we mongers because Brazil and Rio is sexual Valhalla, the equivalent of the Slaughterhouse 5 of the Vonnegut novel because of the endless pussy.

OK, so the pussy.

We hit first Casa 15, where Vagabundo was looking for Noemie Bilas / Michelle Obama. She was working at another casa that night. We took addresses, which were on the darkside, the sweet spot.

So, then we went to that target casa, and she had not arrived yet.

So we went to 116, the not so secret terma, Rua Conceceio 116.

Vagabundo took an old fave, Suzy, for a half hour, for 90 reais. Three hole ho. She is a long time favorite of Ready Players 2 and 3 too. The highlight was when I was banging her from behind, asking her, do you have a boyfriend, and she said yes, then or before, I put it in her ass. Romance. Vagabundo opts for Room 7 because it has windows overlooking the street where he tosses his jizz filled used condoms, so don't stand out there. When he uses condoms, that is.

The girl that Dandy took was Hot AF, and works at Perola Negra for twice the billable rate. So do the math you snobs. Perola def has better rooms. Isadora, Suzy's friend, and the friend of Dandy's waitress was hot AF too. Romantically, Suzy promised to fist Isadora if and when we do a dupla. That would be worthy of a gopro. You perverts want to see that, doncha?

OK, so, then PV118 joined us at 116, which is a good link up point. PV is a pro! He is a military genius. He took Vagabundo over to a new terma, Sex Club 202, which is around the corner from 116. Rio is definitely coming back after Covid. Better talent at 202 than 116 or as good. Rio is so fun now, Halloween is the warm up to Carnival. Then we went around the block to the inspired Airbnb choice that PV made, the Belga hotel. Which is empty. He is like the only guy in there. It is a good spot.

So, then Dandy joined us. It is just around the corner. We having busted nuts, walked over to where Noemie Bilas was working. She got there, and Vagabundo again paid 85 reais for a half hour and fucked her, while Dandy and PV went over to terma 31, around the corner from MV30. Good talent there apparently. There is so much good talent at these so called trash termas, as bubba boy says, and Vagabundo echoes.

So, then we called an uber to go to Feira Sao Cristavao. That was a good call. We had a great dinner for 40 reais each, dirt cheap, and so good at nordestina place. Oh, Brazil, what a great country. This place is so much fun. Definitely go. 10 reais cover to get in. Dancing. Young women (all wearing Lula stickers).

A great night out.

I just got in Friday and I'm staying at the Pestana Hotel. Convenient location right on Copacabana Beach. It's pretty ideal, and the hotel has exceeded my expectations after reading many spotty reviews online. On my first night in town I was keen on making my pilgrimage to 4 x4 after all that I've read about it in this forum. With my only reference point to compare it to being FKK Artemis in Berlin, I got to say I was disappointed and felt like it wasn't nearly as nice as I was expecting. Artemis is more spacious, with a full on swimming pool and spa and cinema. By comparison 4 x4 felt dingy, tight quarters, and the dynamic of having everyone confined in the small nightclub didn't feel as stimulating as exploring the maze of rooms at Artemis looking for talent.

After spending the whole day seeing all of the beauty on the streets of Rio, I didn't feel like I came across any 9's or 10's in the room as I had hoped. After seeing so many girls with enhancements, it pushed me to choose the most natural looking girl for an hour session. I believe her name was Mirela, she had a beautiful tan complexion, little natural be-cup breasts, and a cute ass. The room left much to be desired pretty small and minimal. The mattress was about as hard and uncomfortable as I've ever felt and the sheet felt like plastic and didn't stay on. And the condoms they have are tight, so if you're on the larger side, you may want to bring your own. The service was fine, she was lovely and we exchanged Whatsapp at the end of the session. But I was just really expecting a better experience overall. (r $60 entrance + are $420 1-hour session + 2 beers at are $22 each came out to are $524. Which equals approximately $100 usd, so fine, I won't complain too much.).

Saturday I was hoping to make it to Dark Room for the famous Saturday Special I've read about, but unfortunately got caught up in meetings that didn't let out until after 3 pm. So by that time everything was closed. Caught a great celebration in the streets after Flamengo won the Copa Libertadores final. And then ended up at another awesome street party in Lapa. After only spending my time around Copacabana, Ipanema, and Leblon, being in Lapa was really eye-opening. The architecture of old Rio is gorgeous, and the vibe was so so different with much more diversity and creativity in the streets.

Today, Sunday, was Election Day. Very tense, but interesting to be here nonetheless. Everywhere from my hotel, to the bank around the corner where I went to use the ATM were turned into voting stations. The majority of the people around Rio had Lula stickers on, occasionally chanting his name in the street. With most (all?) mongering establishments closed on Sunday and me not wanting to go two back-to-back days not having a session, so I took to gparena, the local ads and review site. I had previously gone through the entire past year of reviews (largely thanks to the google translate feature on the chrome browser) and bookmarked my top 10 providers. Most of the girls don't work on the weekends, so I just started going down my list messaging each of them on Whatsapp to see who would respond and be open to meeting. I messaged 7 girls before finally locking in a date. For context, most of the girls on gparena charge between are $170 to are $200 per hour. The only one that responded asked for are $300 plus are $50 for uber round trip to meet at my hotel. That's a good reason to work on Sundays, cause I was left with no other options. Again realizing that are $350 comes out to about $70 usd, it was still a much better deal than anything I'd ever find at home.

She arrived in 30 min. Pastena Hotel is GF, they just called up to my room and sent her up no problem. Even though her gparena profile had 100% good reviews, she wasn't nearly as hot as she appeared in her photos. She has a good attitude, the service was fine, but once again I was disappointed. Reading about monger heaven, maybe I just set myself up to have unrealistic expectations. I think not! So, I'm committed to spending this next week chasing the dream.

That being said I would love to connect with some of the vets on this forum that know this town inside and out. Have I even been to Rio if I don't make the rounds with Vagabundo1? However, I cannot currently PM as I'm on a free account. I tried signing up for a paid membership today, but ran into some obstacles, ISG cannot receive crypto from Coinbase (which I use), US Citizens cannot make a Binance account (which ISG recommends), and I even created a metamask wallet thinking I could send it through that, but it only works with coins on the eth blockchain and ISG dose not accept ETH or wBTC. So if anyone can recommend how I could buy a subscription I would appreciate it. Or, I know it's a longshot, but if anyone were down to spot me the cost of the subscription (if they have a crypto account that works) I would be happy to venmo, paypal, or repay them in person when we meet up. Obrigado.

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2757321]I just got in Friday and I'm staying at the Pestana Hotel. Convenient location right on Copacabana Beach. It's pretty ideal, and the hotel has exceeded my expectations after reading many spotty reviews online. On my first night in town I was keen on making my pilgrimage to 4 x4 after all that I've read about it in this forum. With my only reference point to compare it to being FKK Artemis in Berlin, I got to say I was disappointed and felt like it wasn't nearly as nice as I was expecting. Artemis is more spacious, with a full on swimming pool and spa and cinema. By comparison 4 x4 felt dingy, tight quarters, and the dynamic of having everyone confined in the small nightclub didn't feel as stimulating as exploring the maze of rooms at Artemis looking for talent.

After spending the whole day seeing all of the beauty on the streets of Rio, I didn't feel like I came across any 9's or 10's in the room as I had hoped. After seeing so many girls with enhancements, it pushed me to choose the most natural looking girl for an hour session. I believe her name was Mirela, she had a beautiful tan complexion, little natural be-cup breasts, and a cute ass. The room left much to be desired pretty small and minimal. The mattress was about as hard and uncomfortable as I've ever felt and the sheet felt like plastic and didn't stay on. And the condoms they have are tight, so if you're on the larger side, you may want to bring your own. The service was fine, she was lovely and we exchanged Whatsapp at the end of the session. But I was just really expecting a better experience overall. (r $60 entrance + are $420 1-hour session + 2 beers at are $22 each came out to are $524. Which equals approximately $100 usd, so fine, I won't complain too much.).

Saturday I was hoping to make it to Dark Room for the famous Saturday Special I've read about, but unfortunately got caught up in meetings that didn't let out until after 3 pm. So by that time everything was closed. Caught a great celebration in the streets after Flamengo won the Copa Libertadores final. And then ended up at another awesome street party in Lapa. After only spending my time around Copacabana, Ipanema, and Leblon, being in Lapa was really eye-opening. The architecture of old Rio is gorgeous, and the vibe was so so different with much more diversity and creativity in the streets.

Today, Sunday, was Election Day. Very tense, but interesting to be here nonetheless. Everywhere from my hotel, to the bank around the corner where I went to use the ATM were turned into voting stations. The majority of the people around Rio had Lula stickers on, occasionally chanting his name in the street. With most (all?) mongering establishments closed on Sunday and me not wanting to go two back-to-back days not having a session, so I took to gparena, the local ads and review site. I had previously gone through the entire past year of reviews (largely thanks to the google translate feature on the chrome browser) and bookmarked my top 10 providers. Most of the girls don't work on the weekends, so I just started going down my list messaging each of them on Whatsapp to see who would respond and be open to meeting. I messaged 7 girls before finally locking in a date. For context, most of the girls on gparena charge between are $170 to are $200 per hour. The only one that responded asked for are $300 plus are $50 for uber round trip to meet at my hotel. That's a good reason to work on Sundays, cause I was left with no other options. Again realizing that are $350 comes out to about $70 usd, it was still a much better deal than anything I'd ever find at home.

She arrived in 30 min. Pastena Hotel is GF, they just called up to my room and sent her up no problem. Even though her gparena profile had 100% good reviews, she wasn't nearly as hot as she appeared in her photos. She has a good attitude, the service was fine, but once again I was disappointed. Reading about monger heaven, maybe I just set myself up to have unrealistic expectations. I think not! So, I'm committed to spending this next week chasing the dream.

That being said I would love to connect with some of the vets on this forum that know this town inside and out. Have I even been to Rio if I don't make the rounds with Vagabundo1? However, I cannot currently PM as I'm on a free account. I tried signing up for a paid membership today, but ran into some obstacles, ISG cannot receive crypto from Coinbase (which I use), US Citizens cannot make a Binance account (which ISG recommends), and I even created a metamask wallet thinking I could send it through that, but it only works with coins on the eth blockchain and ISG dose not accept ETH or wBTC. So if anyone can recommend how I could buy a subscription I would appreciate it. Or, I know it's a longshot, but if anyone were down to spot me the cost of the subscription (if they have a crypto account that works) I would be happy to venmo, paypal, or repay them in person when we meet up. Obrigado.[/QUOTE]Someone please show him around! I can't have this as a Rio report a couple of weeks before my first visit!

I definitely hope your trip gets better boss!

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2757321]US Citizens cannot make a Binance account (which ISG recommends), [/QUOTE]I had to double check when I read this, because I thought I had had a Binance account for a couple of years now. I just have never put anything in it. I am a US citizen.

Went to Emporio with Vagabundo on Saturday. Girl were hot and I really like their matching uniforms. Vagabundo took a black girl and I took Stella. She was ok, kind of mechanical and no DFK. She gave some really good head though. Can't complain too much for 90 R for 30 minutes.

Went to Dark Room on Monday at around noon. Only two black girls there. Nothing my interest. Pain in the ass to register at the front desk though as there was a long line.

Met with Izzy Bellini from Gparena. I remember sessioning with her last time I was in rio and she works out of the same place. She is a big woman. Not really fat but just tall and with a proportionally large body. I remember my last session being much better. She gave LFK and we fucked in a couple of positions. Maybe it was because it was late or maybe she has just been working in this business for too long but I felt like she wasn't that into it. Paid 250 R for the hour.

I have a session scheduled with Giovanna Branca tomorrow. I vaguely remember either sessioning with her or trying to set up a session with her last time I was here. She is another one of the highly rated gparena girls. Will post after the session.

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2757321]

After spending the whole day seeing all of the beauty on the streets of Rio, I didn't feel like I came across any 9's or 10's in the room as I had hoped. [/QUOTE]The truth is, if you are looking for high quality girls, 9's and 10's, you won't find them at termas or brothels or similar venues. If you think you can find them there, you are delusional. Scandallo in Sao Paulo wold be your best bet if you can afford it. Rio is a beautiful city and got the best looking girls I have ever seen in my life, but they are either non pros or high end escorts that you won't find online or working termas. Take a walk along the beach in Ipanema on Sunday afternoon and you will see for yourself. Or go party in Leblon on the weekends. Tons of smoking hot girls there. But you have to speak Porto, look presentable, have game and coin in order to beat competition. Local connections always help. Friends, friends of friends, etc. If you are in town just for a few days, most likely you will not be able to pull this off. This is a long term game, and you got to live there for extended periods of time to succeed. Most of the guys coming to Rio have limited time and want a quick fuck, or best bang for a buck, this is why they stick to cheap venues. But the real quality is not there. You have to put in effort and time to get the best looking girls.

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2757321]I just got in Friday and I'm staying at the Pestana Hotel. Convenient location right on Copacabana Beach. It's pretty ideal, and the hotel has exceeded my expectations after reading many spotty reviews online. On my first night in town I was keen on making my pilgrimage to 4 x4 after all that I've read about it in this forum. With my only reference point to compare it to being FKK Artemis in Berlin, I got to say I was disappointed and felt like it wasn't nearly as nice as I was expecting. Artemis is more spacious, with a full on swimming pool and spa and cinema. By comparison 4 x4 felt dingy, tight quarters, and the dynamic of having everyone confined in the small nightclub didn't feel as stimulating as exploring the maze of rooms at Artemis looking for talent.

After spending the whole day seeing all of the beauty on the streets of Rio, I didn't feel like I came across any 9's or 10's in the room as I had hoped. [/QUOTE]Look, you need to manage your expectations. Your friendly Rio terma is not an FKK. Yes, they're small and dingy, they're fire hazard (the old 4 x4 was razed by fire a few years back and people died). In addition, you won't find 9 and 10's there, although 7 and 8 are possible.

When we rave about Brazilian girls, it doesn't mean that all Brasileiras are gorgeous porn stars. It's quite possible to have a boring fuck in Rio, but your chance to become a victim of a lousy tourist fuck is slimmer than anywhere else in the world.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2757639][b]The truth is, if you are looking for high quality girls, 9's and 10's, you won't find them at termas or brothels or similar venues. If you think you can find them there, you are delusional[/b]. Scandallo in Sao Paulo wold be your best bet if you can afford it. Rio is a beautiful city and got the best looking girls I have ever seen in my life, but they are either [u]non pros or high end escorts that you won't find online or working termas[/u]. Take a walk along the beach in Ipanema on Sunday afternoon and you will see for yourself. Or go party in Leblon on the weekends. Tons of smoking hot girls there. But you have to speak Porto, look presentable, have game and coin in order to beat competition. Local connections always help. Friends, friends of friends, etc. If you are in town just for a few days, most likely you will not be able to pull this off. This is a long term game, and you got to live there for extended periods of time to succeed. Most of the guys coming to Rio have limited time and want a quick fuck, or best bang for a buck, this is why they stick to cheap venues. But the real quality is not there. You have to put in effort and time to get the best looking girls.[/QUOTE]Good observations of MiamiBoy1, giving good advice.

Also hang around:

Barra the Tijuca beaches / bars / restaurants / clubs. Example Classico Beach Club [URL] https://youtu.be/B2t824qAOlU?t=17 [/URL].

Any moderate to higher end malls and restaurants.

I would like to add is to ask quality girls (Pro's and Non-Pros / Civilians) where they like to party and hang out (after work is done) there is probably some venues and regular club (s) (not Dolce Vita) where they frequent. That venue could be a good playground, but you must ask to know where to go where the 9's and 10's go. Also knowing Portuguese can immensely change the calculus on getting what you want. To get the quality girls you must be where they are at. And you can't be afraid to strike up a conversation or at least play the unknowing tourist seeking "nightlife" or general information.

Now older gents may not like to go to Clubs so for that group Lounges and Restaurants / Bars, chance encounters, heavy flirting will get what you want.

The main thing to understand is these girls like to have fun and be seen. They like luxury goods, and high-end venues, accommodations, and travel. They feel entitled to the good life and "Money is always on their mind. ".

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2757499]Someone please show him around! I can't have this as a Rio report a couple of weeks before my first visit!

I definitely hope your trip gets better boss![/QUOTE]LOL, what he said is what I felt too, its true, coming from SP to Rio, those places looks dingy, dirty and tight. Only Perola Negra is classier. Look wise, 4 x 4 have better looking girl, then again coming from SP, they are lower rate.

You will find 8-10 on Barravips, but don't expect to pay cheap prices 450 to 600 is a norm.

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2757321]I just got in Friday and I'm staying at the Pestana Hotel. Convenient location right on Copacabana Beach. It's pretty ideal, and the hotel has exceeded my expectations after reading many spotty reviews online. On my first night in town I was keen on making my pilgrimage to 4 x4 after all that I've read about it in this forum. With my only reference point to compare it to being FKK Artemis in Berlin, I got to say I was disappointed and felt like it wasn't nearly as nice as I was expecting. Artemis is more spacious, with a full on swimming pool and spa and cinema. By comparison 4 x4 felt dingy, tight quarters, and the dynamic of having everyone confined in the small nightclub didn't feel as stimulating as exploring the maze of rooms at Artemis looking for talent.

After spending the whole day seeing all of the beauty on the streets of Rio, I didn't feel like I came across any 9's or 10's in the room as I had hoped. After seeing so many girls with enhancements, it pushed me to choose the most natural looking girl for an hour session. I believe her name was Mirela, she had a beautiful tan complexion, little natural be-cup breasts, and a cute ass. The room left much to be desired pretty small and minimal. The mattress was about as hard and uncomfortable as I've ever felt and the sheet felt like plastic and didn't stay on. And the condoms they have are tight, so if you're on the larger side, you may want to bring your own. The service was fine, she was lovely and we exchanged Whatsapp at the end of the session. But I was just really expecting a better experience overall. (r $60 entrance + are $420 1-hour session + 2 beers at are $22 each came out to are $524. Which equals approximately $100 usd, so fine, I won't complain too much.).

Saturday I was hoping to make it to Dark Room for the famous Saturday Special I've read about, but unfortunately got caught up in meetings that didn't let out until after 3 pm. So by that time everything was closed. Caught a great celebration in the streets after Flamengo won the Copa Libertadores final. And then ended up at another awesome street party in Lapa...[/QUOTE]This is my experience too. I found girls that is 8 to 10 on barravips, maybe you can try your luck.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2757639]The truth is, if you are looking for high quality girls, 9's and 10's, you won't find them at termas or brothels or similar venues. If you think you can find them there, you are delusional. Scandallo in Sao Paulo wold be your best bet if you can afford it. Rio is a beautiful city and got the best looking girls I have ever seen in my life, but they are either non pros or high end escorts that you won't find online or working termas. Take a walk along the beach in Ipanema on Sunday afternoon and you will see for yourself. Or go party in Leblon on the weekends. Tons of smoking hot girls there. But you have to speak Porto, look presentable, have game and coin in order to beat competition. Local connections always help. Friends, friends of friends, etc. If you are in town just for a few days, most likely you will not be able to pull this off. This is a long term game, and you got to live there for extended periods of time to succeed. Most of the guys coming to Rio have limited time and want a quick fuck, or best bang for a buck, this is why they stick to cheap venues. But the real quality is not there. You have to put in effort and time to get the best looking girls.[/QUOTE]This post is so perfectly on point. And these top girls aren't easy to get even if you know them. Brazil isn't in the same income bucket as SEA and Colombia. 9's and 10's can easily find local guys who will spoil them since many Brazillians have money. Brazillian guys are also legendary for their confidence and attractiveness. The type of person who can score 9's and 10's in Brazil can often score the same in their home country. Of course I believe a 9 or 10 in Brazil is way hotter than a 9 or 10 just about anywhere else. Even Scandello can't pull in the top 10% of Brasileiras. That being said, Brazil offers some great deals on 6's to 8's with great service quality including tons of BBBJ, DFK and even BBFS.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2757651]but you must ask to know where to go where the 9's and 10's go.
The main thing to understand is these girls like to have fun and be seen. They like luxury goods, and high-end venues, accommodations, and travel. They feel entitled to the good life and "Money is always on their mind. ".[/QUOTE]And that is pretty much what makes people classify them as 9 and 10. If the same chick was in a privee or 4 x 4 who would classify her as a 9 or 10? Was she a 9 or 10 before the expensive lifestyle? I am about to ask all my Brazilian friends where all the 9's and 10's hang out so they can laugh at me. They are going to be like what the hell are you talking about? Where do the 9's and 10's go in your city?

These last few posts are killing my MOJO. I will be in Rio for the first time in December for two weeks and have been looking forward to it. Now with these last few posts about the the 9's and 10's not being accessible I'm worried fellas.

Right now from reading through the thread (thanks for all the reports).

4 x4.

Dark room.

Dolce Vita.

Barravip.

These are the places I see most and plan to attend or partake in.

Any other suggestions that I may be missing out on?

I will be there for 2 weeks! I definitely want quality ladies.

I welcome your recommendations and while I'm not in the business of raising the prices I am not too concerned about budget.

Thank you in advance.

Feel free to DM me.

And if anyone wants to connect while I'm over there I'm all for it I arrive Dec 8th.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2757899]And that is pretty much what makes people classify them as 9 and 10. If the same chick was in a privee or 4 x 4 who would classify her as a 9 or 10? Was she a 9 or 10 before the expensive lifestyle? [u]I am about to ask all my Brazilian friends where all the 9's and 10's hang out[/u] [b]so they can laugh at me[/b]. [b]They are going to be like what the hell are you talking about?[/b] Where do the 9's and 10's go in your city?[/QUOTE]I'm laughing at you and I don't even know you. You seem to miss the essence of what I was saying. Everybody has different tastes so to delve in to who determines who is a 9 or 10 is not pertinent. What is relevant is whatever meets any individual's criteria is in Rio. Are they in abundance? I would say no, but are they in sufficient quantity yes, again alot depends on what areas one goes to. Example it is reasonable to find better looking women in Barra vs. Centro? All depends on your criteria (and yes I know I can find exactly what I want in Barra).

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2757650]Look, you need to manage your expectations. Your friendly Rio terma is not an FKK. Yes, they're small and dingy, they're fire hazard (the old 4 x4 was razed by fire a few years back and people died). In addition, you won't find 9 and 10's there, although 7 and 8 are possible.
...[/QUOTE]It is nuts to expect a Terma in Rio to look like an FKK. We're talking Germany vs Brazil, 2 different world.

However, from an entertaining perspective, termas are close to an FKK experience. For more luxury, I suggest you visit Scandallo in Sao Paulo.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2757946]These last few posts are killing my MOJO. I will be in Rio for the first time in December for two weeks and have been looking forward to it. Now with these last few posts about the the 9's and 10's not being accessible I'm worried fellas.

Right now from reading through the thread (thanks for all the reports).

4 x4.

Dark room.

Dolce Vita.

Barravip.

These are the places I see most and plan to attend or partake in.

Any other suggestions that I may be missing out on?

I will be there for 2 weeks! I definitely want quality ladies.

I welcome your recommendations and while I'm not in the business of raising the prices I am not too concerned about budget.

Thank you in advance.

Feel free to DM me.

And if anyone wants to connect while I'm over there I'm all for it I arrive Dec 8th.[/QUOTE]Don't get us wrong. There are plenty of quality working girls in Rio which is why a lot of us have travelled here often and the city itself is fantastic. The only thing is that there are also a lot of really hot women in Rio. I think many of us are just frustrated that these really hot women aren't in the P4 P market. If you are looking for really hot working girls and are not price sensitive, you may want to consider Sao Paulo. More attractive working girls often head there since it is a richer business-oriented city. Personally, I find the atmosphere in Sao Paulo less fun and relaxing but I have to admit that due to the higher wealth and larger size, there is a much higher likelihood you finding top talent there.

For your list I would consider adding:

Perola Negra: Similar to 4 x4 but down in Barra.

Mosaico: Perhaps the best place after midnight.

Emporio: I like it better than Dark Room.

But I find this hunt for the perfect 10 amusing, to say the least. I'll take a sweetheart even if she's a 7 over a primadonna every day and twice on Sunday. I once took a 7 over a 9 at Solarium, because she whispered all the right nasty things about what I can do to her (and overdelivered) to a huge disappointment of the most beautiful girl in the joint, who sat on the other side looking bored and disinterested because she thought she was a shoe in. Seriously guys, look for the experience first and looks second (pun intended).

I appreciate all of the feedback and suggestions. Since my last report I've been determined to turn my experience around. For anyone booking flights for their first visit just be aware that most places are closed over the weekend. So it's a great time to get all of the tourist activities out of the way (if you get good weather), but not ideal if the 'hobby' is your main priority. That being said, with the start of the work week I've been making the rounds and having some great experiences.

Monday I visited Eden Spa in Copacabana, about a 10 minute walk from my hotel. You walk into a busy office building, take the elevator to the 4th floor, and it's to the left when you exit the elevator. I went relatively early, 11 am, and when I got there I was told there was only 1 girl available. I was worried. I considered coming back later. But when she came out for the "presentation" she was young, beautiful, light skin, curly brown hair, with a fishnet bodysuit and a beautiful smile. Yes please. After a quick shower, she started with a lot of DFK. That escalated to BBBJ and then really great sex switching between many positions fluidly, often keeping eye contact and doing things like biting her shoulder while I hit it from behind, making it seem like she was genuinely enjoying it. It was the most sensual session I've had, and for are $150 for the half hour, I walked away saying that was the best $30 usd I've ever spent in my life.

At night I wanted to try another Terma so I went to check out Solarium, which I read is a more elevated experience than 4 x 4. You change into the robe and enter the nightclub. Nicer place, more attractive women. However, in 4 x 4 the girls are a bit more proactive, they come up to you to chat and then make out with you and start rubbing your cock in your robe to try to make a sale. At Solarium, being higher class, the girls literally just sit around. It was a bit strange to me, not exactly a vibe that gets you excited to fuck. There were lots of 8's in the room, and at least one 9 that had caught my eye. She looked like a younger Rihanna with lighter skin. Very pretty, the only one in the room with earrings and a necklace, she stood out, but the entire night was by the side of an older black gentleman who seemed like a regular, everyone there knew him and he was buying her drinks and food all night. I was tempted to go over and say, if you're not going to take her to a room then can I? But I don't think that would be very good etiquette. Rooms at Solarium are are $640 for 40 min or are $800 for the hour. I was thinking about the great experience I had earlier that day at Eden Spa for are $150 and felt like I'd rather have 4 more sessions there than the one session here, and if I'm not going with the one girl that really caught my eye, I'll pass.

I took an Uber to Mab's a bar / restaurant on the beach in Copacabana where working girls congregate, but didn't see anyone that stood out to me. Two blocks from there is Dolce Vida nightclub, which is kind of a similar situation, but at midnight they said there was only two girls there and that they just opened and that it would be better if I come back later, so I passed and happily called it a night.

The following day I wanted to try some other spots like Onix Terapias and Dark Room, which are close to each other downtown, but it was raining all day and I instead decided to keep it local and go back to Eden Spa. After that first experience and for that price, who wouldn't? This time I went a bit later, around 4 pm, and saw a presentation of about a dozen girls. The one I had seen the previous day was not in the line-up. Most of the girls were 7's and 8's and I ended up choosing a very cute 20 year old with a tan complexion, great ass, cute face, and glasses. She looks like the girl next door in college that you always wanted to fuck. Super cute, but the experience was very different than the previous day. She was very reserved, did not kiss at all, avoided eye contact the whole time. A stark contrast to the GFE session I had there previously, but still a great value at are $150 ($30 usd).

That night I went to Perola Negra. It's a bit further from my hotel than all of the other places I've visited so far, but a very nice looking area, Barra. When you go in there's none of this robe nonsense, like in 4 x4 and Solarium. You just straight up walk into a nightclub. I got there around 10 pm, the girls were hot. I'd say they were all 8's and 9's. The music was better, with a DJ that you could see actually was putting in effort, mixing, creating a vibe. Some of the girls were dancing and twerking and others were just sitting around. It felt much more organic. After learning from my experience at Solarium the previous night, I didn't want to wait around for all of the girls I'm attracted to to get caught up in conversation with other guys, or go to a room and taken out of play for the next hour. So within 10 minutes of getting there I picked a girl and asked her to go to a room. The room was are $290 for 40 min, less than half the price of Solarium. And the room was actually really nice! The bed was in the corner of the room with mirrors on both walls. Each room has its own bathroom and shower. And the girl I chose was basically a Brazilian black Barbie with a perfect (albeit manmade) figure. The complete opposite kind of girl from the one I was with that morning. The session was good, and well worth the cost of admission. But definitely felt more like club sex than the GFE experience I had at Eden Spa a day earlier. There was a lot of attractive girls at Perola Negra and the price seemed fair. I don't think I could do more than 1 session a night but I'll definitely be back.

Don't worry about that too much.

I went to all of them, Scandalo, Boaboa, Conection, Casarao, 4 x4, Solarium, Centaurus and so on.

I consider myself very picky and my experience is the 7's and 8's are almost always the better pick then the 9's and 10's because they are more eager to please and ind the end that's what we all are looking for. If you want to have a 10 who mostly in my experience just spreads the legs and is mostly a dumb barbie then go for it but my best experiences are with good looking girls who are fun, inteligent, a little freaky and not the hot as fuck ones.

Money is not that important. I have paid very little sometimes and had a freaking awesome time if I had a connection with her but had some really bad experiences with high paid stunners.

Take it as it goes and you will have fun. Treat them right and they will give that back.

I am already excited when I am back in Rio in 2 months.

My 5 cents.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2757946]These last few posts are killing my MOJO. I will be in Rio for the first time in December for two weeks and have been looking forward to it. Now with these last few posts about the the 9's and 10's not being accessible I'm worried fellas.

Right now from reading through the thread (thanks for all the reports).

4 x4.

Dark room.

Dolce Vita.

Barravip.

These are the places I see most and plan to attend or partake in.

Any other suggestions that I may be missing out on?

I will be there for 2 weeks! I definitely want quality ladies.

I welcome your recommendations and while I'm not in the business of raising the prices I am not too concerned about budget.

Thank you in advance.

Feel free to DM me.

And if anyone wants to connect while I'm over there I'm all for it I arrive Dec 8th.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2757999]Don't get us wrong. There are plenty of quality working girls in Rio which is why a lot of us have travelled here often and the city itself is fantastic. The only thing is that there are also a lot of really hot women in Rio. I think many of us are just frustrated that these really hot women aren't in the P4 P market. If you are looking for really hot working girls and are not price sensitive, you may want to consider Sao Paulo. More attractive working girls often head there since it is a richer business-oriented city. Personally, I find the atmosphere in Sao Paulo less fun and relaxing but I have to admit that due to the higher wealth and larger size, there is a much higher likelihood you finding top talent there.[/QUOTE]That's really a good synopsis for the Rio vs. SP debate.

Adding to what have some said earlier, I have found 9's from careful research of Brazilian escorts. Scandallo in SP is another option. From my experience, it's rare to find that kind of girl available in a Rio termas. And of course, you are looking at close to a $100 price tag or higher.

Termas are termas. I see no reason to expect an FKK environment. For me, termas are a blast. The girls are fun and cool. And I can find an attractive girl, who will do a good job in the cabine.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2758011]But I find this hunt for the perfect 10 amusing, to say the least. I'll take a sweetheart even if she's a 7 over a primadonna every day and twice on Sunday. I once took a 7 over a 9 at Solarium, because she whispered all the right nasty things about what I can do to her (and overdelivered) to a huge disappointment of the most beautiful girl in the joint, who sat on the other side looking bored and disinterested because she thought she was a shoe in. Seriously guys, look for the experience first and looks second (pun intended).[/QUOTE]So fucking true!!

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2757999]Don't get us wrong. There are plenty of quality working girls in Rio which is why a lot of us have travelled here often and the city itself is fantastic. The only thing is that there are also a lot of really hot women in Rio. I think many of us are just frustrated that these really hot women aren't in the P4 P market. If you are looking for really hot working girls and are not price sensitive, you may want to consider Sao Paulo. More attractive working girls often head there since it is a richer business-oriented city. Personally, I find the atmosphere in Sao Paulo less fun and relaxing but I have to admit that due to the higher wealth and larger size, there is a much higher likelihood you finding top talent there.

For your list I would consider adding:

Perola Negra: Similar to 4 x4 but down in Barra.

Mosaico: Perhaps the best place after midnight.

Emporio: I like it better than Dark Room.[/QUOTE]Very true! I was in Rio earlier this year in Feb. Did not make it to 4 x4 but visited solarium, Centaurus, once each and Dolce Vita multiple times. Managed to find 8's (and reasonably good in the bedroom as well) in the Termas but not in Dolce Vita. The 9+ are usually in places like Scandallo and as I prefer the club environment over the termas anyday although the German FKK used to be a blast in the days gone. So prefer So Paulo over Rio for pure mongering (just like prefer Bangkok over Pattaya haha guess am a big city person and all that goes with it).

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2758011]But I find this hunt for the perfect 10 amusing, to say the least. I'll take a sweetheart even if she's a 7 over a primadonna every day and twice on Sunday. I once took a 7 over a 9 at Solarium, because she whispered all the right nasty things about what I can do to her (and overdelivered) to a huge disappointment of the most beautiful girl in the joint, who sat on the other side looking bored and disinterested because she thought she was a shoe in. Seriously guys, look for the experience first and looks second (pun intended).[/QUOTE]Many times true but depends. The best situation of course is a true hottie and who is hot in bed as well obviously but have had quite few of them in SP but it comes with a price and some luck haha.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2758011]But I find this hunt for the perfect 10 amusing, to say the least. I'll take a sweetheart even if she's a 7 over a primadonna every day and twice on Sunday..[/QUOTE]What if the perfect 10 is a sweetheart and the 7 is a prima donna? Or what if they are equally sweethearts?

Today I had what may have been my greatest session with a working girl in my life. We had such amazing chemistry, it was wonderful. I won't be posting her name here because I am selfish and don't want her to be spoiled but I would like to share with the forum what is possible in Rio.

L is a girl I met in a centro prive. She isn't a supermodel. She is thin, short and has a four year old kid. She is however young and incredibly energetic which is what drew me to her in the prive. Our session in the prive was fantastic and she gave me her number. I tried to arrange something with her on Tuesday but unfortunately we couldn't align on anything so instead she comes on Wednesday. I great her at the entrance and we start some LFK and DFK as soon as she walks in the door. I invite her in and she takes a shower and brushes her teeth. We drink some red bull from my fridge and talk for a bit. L is a unique mix of an indigenous mother and a Swiss father, perhaps one of the only ones in the world. We quickly proceed to the fun with lots of dancing, twerking, DFK, BBBJ with ball licking, DATY, and multiple positions. Her energy makes the sex a ton of fun. We do our session and we cuddle together in the bed talking some more and finding different music to listen to. L goes out on the balcony for a smoke (this is the one thing I really dislike about her). We talk some more and go for round 2. Round 2 is equally good and we cuddle again afterwards. We are both hungry at this point and I order some food. While waiting, we start watching the Netflix series Dahmer which L seems to enjoy. We continue watching while eating when she gets a call. Turns out she lost track of time and stayed with me two hours longer than she was supposed to and failed to answer 5 calls from her friends. We finish our food and I call her an uber back home. Multiple kisses goodbye and a promise to see each other again. She has a bus to Belo Horizonte tonight so I won't be able to see her again on my trip though I'll be sure to meet her again when I come back to Brazil. I learned a ton about her and am actually happy to have met her. She has the personality of a girl I would actually keep as a GF. Funny enough, before watching Dahmer, she told me a story about a monger who she thought was going to kill her who she had to run away from. Total cost: 440 for 6 hours.

Honestly, I find it difficult to express how much fun this experience was. There were so many little things that went right. The six hours felt like an hour and I think we both lost track of time. All I can really say is:

I FUCKING LOVE RIO.

Dandyman is a really good wingman all around.

I may be a few sessions behind in my reporting. Monday, I went into centro with senor the. I was texting a girl from a prive, who met me. We went to hotel Sheik, and got a hidro suite, and had a great afternoon, two pops, all holes.

Then we went for lunch to Contemporaneo on Av Gomes Freire. Both Sheik and Contemporaneo are highly, highly recommended. For any centro prive or terma girls, just take them to Sheik. Hidro suite is like 170 r for 4 hours, and lunch at Contemporaneo (with 4 caprihinhas) is like 170.

Monger on, fellas.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2758206]Very true! [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2758127]Since my last report I've been determined to turn my experience around.[/QUOTE]Good Detailed Report, Nice Read. Looks like your executing your turnaround strategy.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2758297]Today I had what may have been my greatest session with a working girl in my life. We had such amazing chemistry, it was wonderful.
Honestly, I find it difficult to express how much fun this experience was. There were so many little things that went right. The six hours felt like an hour and I think we both lost track of time. All I can really say is: [b]I FUCKING LOVE RIO.[/b]][/QUOTE]Shout it out from the Rooftop or Balcony! Great experiences in Rio to be had by all. Good you're having a good time!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2758011]But I find this hunt for the perfect 10 amusing, to say the least. I'll take a sweetheart even if she's a 7 over a primadonna every day and twice on Sunday. I once took a 7 over a 9 at Solarium, because she whispered all the right nasty things about what I can do to her (and overdelivered) to a huge disappointment of the most beautiful girl in the joint, who sat on the other side looking bored and disinterested because she thought she was a shoe in. Seriously guys, look for the experience first and looks second (pun intended).[/QUOTE]I know my previous post (s) did not sound like it, but [U]I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion.[/U].

Good story, bro.

[QUOTE=Chege;2758147]Don't worry about that too much.

I went to all of them, Scandalo, Boaboa, Conection, Casarao, 4 x4, Solarium, Centaurus and so on.

I consider myself very picky and my experience is the 7's and 8's are almost always the better pick then the 9's and 10's because they are more eager to please and ind the end that's what we all are looking for. If you want to have a 10 who mostly in my experience just spreads the legs and is mostly a dumb barbie then go for it but my best experiences are with good looking girls who are fun, inteligent, a little freaky and not the hot as fuck ones.

Money is not that important. I have paid very little sometimes and had a freaking awesome time if I had a connection with her but had some really bad experiences with high paid stunners.

Take it as it goes and you will have fun. Treat them right and they will give that back.

I am already excited when I am back in Rio in 2 months.

My 5 cents.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2757999]Don't get us wrong. There are plenty of quality working girls in Rio which is why a lot of us have travelled here often and the city itself is fantastic. The only thing is that there are also a lot of really hot women in Rio. I think many of us are just frustrated that these really hot women aren't in the P4 P market. If you are looking for really hot working girls and are not price sensitive, you may want to consider Sao Paulo. More attractive working girls often head there since it is a richer business-oriented city. Personally, I find the atmosphere in Sao Paulo less fun and relaxing but I have to admit that due to the higher wealth and larger size, there is a much higher likelihood you finding top talent there.

For your list I would consider adding:

Perola Negra: Similar to 4 x4 but down in Barra.

Mosaico: Perhaps the best place after midnight.

Emporio: I like it better than Dark Room.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the insight. Have a little cheat sheet going and added your suggestions. I'm thinking of extending my trip another week and getting 3 weeks in instead of 2.

Mosaico. As a solo traveler, is it cool to be out around midnight? I've read the gambit of things regarding safety.

[QUOTE=Chege;2758147]Don't worry about that too much.

I went to all of them, Scandalo, Boaboa, Conection, Casarao, 4 x4, Solarium, Centaurus and so on.

I consider myself very picky and my experience is the 7's and 8's are almost always the better pick then the 9's and 10's because they are more eager to please and ind the end that's what we all are looking for. If you want to have a 10 who mostly in my experience just spreads the legs and is mostly a dumb barbie then go for it but my best experiences are with good looking girls who are fun, inteligent, a little freaky and not the hot as fuck ones.

Money is not that important. I have paid very little sometimes and had a freaking awesome time if I had a connection with her but had some really bad experiences with high paid stunners.

Take it as it goes and you will have fun. Treat them right and they will give that back.

I am already excited when I am back in Rio in 2 months.

My 5 cents.[/QUOTE]I completely agree! Whatever I decide to go with will be quality to me. Won't kill too much time looking for perfection. Going to look for good vibes, chemistry and enjoy my encounters.

It's Rio and from what I have learned from you guys about the area is you can't go wrong if you just go in with good vibes and blend in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2758218]What if the perfect 10 is a sweetheart and the 7 is a prima donna? Or what if they are equally sweethearts?[/QUOTE]Well, when that happens, I snatch my 10 and praise the lord (in that order), but. . .

Seen many unicorns lately, Mr. E, kkkk?

Look, no one's saying that great things can't happen to a guy, but the law of averages still applies, IMHO.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2758297]Today I had what may have been my greatest session with a working girl in my life. We had such amazing chemistry, it was wonderful. I won't be posting her name here because I am selfish and don't want her to be spoiled but I would like to share with the forum what is possible in Rio.

L is a girl I met in a centro prive. She isn't a supermodel.[/QUOTE]This is what I'm talking about!

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2758127]I appreciate all of the feedback and suggestions. Since my last report I've been determined to turn my experience around. For anyone booking flights for their first visit just be aware that most places are closed over the weekend. So it's a great time to get all of the tourist activities out of the way (if you get good weather), but not ideal if the 'hobby' is your main priority. That being said, with the start of the work week I've been making the rounds and having some great experiences.

Monday I visited Eden Spa in Copacabana, about a 10 minute walk from my hotel. You walk into a busy office building, take the elevator to the 4th floor, and it's to the left when you exit the elevator. I went relatively early, 11 am, and when I got there I was told there was only 1 girl available. I was worried. I considered coming back later. But when she came out for the "presentation" she was young, beautiful, light skin, curly brown hair, with a fishnet bodysuit and a beautiful smile. Yes please. After a quick shower, she started with a lot of DFK. That escalated to BBBJ and then really great sex switching between many positions fluidly, often keeping eye contact and doing things like biting her shoulder while I hit it from behind, making it seem like she was genuinely enjoying it. It was the most sensual session I've had, and for are $150 for the half hour, I walked away saying that was the best $30 usd I've ever spent in my life.[/QUOTE]If Carla is still at Eden, I strongly recommend getting an hour with her. Solid 8, IMHO, very sensual and lots of fun, you won't regret it.

[QUOTE=Libertine212;2758127]I appreciate all of the feedback and suggestions. Since my last report I've been determined to turn my experience around. For anyone booking flights for their first visit just be aware that most places are closed over the weekend. So it's a great time to get all of the tourist activities out of the way (if you get good weather), but not ideal if the 'hobby' is your main priority. That being said, with the start of the work week I've been making the rounds and having some great experiences.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you're having better experiences in Rio.

The Rio sex trade isn't that bad on weekends. Many venues are open on Saturdays. Sunday requires some improvisation. Take your chances at Mabs and Dolce Vita or just arrange to meet an escort or a termas girl you met during the week. If one arrives on a Sunday, getting in the groove quickly might be a bit tricky.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2758011]But I find this hunt for the perfect 10 amusing, to say the least. I'll take a sweetheart even if she's a 7 over a primadonna every day and twice on Sunday. I once took a 7 over a 9 at Solarium, because she whispered all the right nasty things about what I can do to her (and overdelivered) to a huge disappointment of the most beautiful girl in the joint, who sat on the other side looking bored and disinterested because she thought she was a shoe in. Seriously guys, look for the experience first and looks second (pun intended).[/QUOTE]You are right. It's your old age and mine too. When I was younger I used to fuck 4-5 different girls every day when I traveled and her personality didn't matter that much. Now I look for a girl who is good looking, maybe a 8, and laughs a lot and is fun in the bar and in the bed. Of course I would take a 10 who is fun, but that is not the first thing I look for, when I choose a girl. I had a nice 28 old girl last night at Bomboa. Her face was 9 and body was 8 (on my own scale of course). She told me that she does everything covered, which made me think, but I still decided to go with her and it was money well spent.

The Customer is always right.

If you come into town for a week or a few days, can't speak portoguese, you stay at the JW Marriot, and spend thousands of real at Solarium and you had a good time, mission accomplished. The cost is less than the daily swings in your portfolio by orders of magnitude.

If you live here, you find a girl who you like, and she likes you, and you spend weeks not hours together, and you pay her enough to be happy -- and all the outback she wants -- and she brings her dog over on command, you have a Rio Wife, mission accomplished too.

For my part, I agree with both Chege and Dandyman. The super high maintenance, 10 is a pain the ass, a gold digger, a bad person a narciscist, a miserable person to be with, a thief. But then, what did you expect at a hoar house. I prefer the 7 that you can easily upgrade to a 8 with some cash for hair and all the rest.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2758348]Well, when that happens, I snatch my 10 and praise the lord (in that order), but. . .

Seen many unicorns lately, Mr. E, kkkk?

Look, no one's saying that great things can't happen to a guy, but the law of averages still applies, IMHO.

This is what I'm talking about!

If Carla is still at Eden, I strongly recommend getting an hour with her. Solid 8, IMHO, very sensual and lots of fun, you won't regret it.[/QUOTE]

I think somebody already mentioned this.

There are 2 types of ATMs at the Rio international airport; "Service" type of ATMs. There were no Brazilian bank branded ATMs, which I found odd. Now I know why. At least one, probably both are TOTAL rip-offs. I've used these type of ATMs previously in other countries without problems.

That ATM asked the normal question about the service charge. I typed YES without really examining the numbers. The numbers came with a comma. It must have said 300 something instead of 30 something. The ATM charged me approximately US $60. Wow! I called Schwab Bank, and we both never heard of such a thing. Luckily when the refund at the end of the month came, Schwab bank refunded me that US $60 fee. If you do it too often, the bank might take away that refund privilege.

Even the currency conversion is a scam. It asked me twice if I wanted the conversion. That I read carefully, because Schwab will not give you a refund for that. You have to DISAGREE to the first time they ask. Then you have to AGREE the second time they ask. Pisses me off that the Rio Airport Authorities allow that kind of scam / rip-offs.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2758808]Pisses me off that the Rio Airport Authorities allow that kind of scam / rip-offs.[/QUOTE]Well shit, they have allowed that Banco Safra place since I have been going to Brazil. They finally have some competition in the ripoff business.

Thinking of heading to Rio a week earlier than planned and just extending my stay for 3 weeks instead of 2.

My airbnb will not be available until my original date of travel so Thinking about staying at Pestana Hotel.

Online reviews are very mixed. Can someone give me a first hand account if this is a nice hotel? Thank you.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2759305]Thinking of heading to Rio a week earlier than planned and just extending my stay for 3 weeks instead of 2.

My airbnb will not be available until my original date of travel so Thinking about staying at Pestana Hotel.

Online reviews are very mixed. Can someone give me a first hand account if this is a nice hotel? Thank you.[/QUOTE]The "Search Thread" option is a great source of information. Also, there is a Rio Hotel thread too.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2758808]

Even the currency conversion is a scam. It asked me twice if I wanted the conversion. That I read carefully, because Schwab will not give you a refund for that. You have to DISAGREE to the first time they ask. Then you have to AGREE the second time they ask. Pisses me off that the Rio Airport Authorities allow that kind of scam / rip-offs.[/QUOTE]Currency conversion is always unnecessary and totally a scum. They do it everywhere in the world, and ATMs often make it look like you must agree to the terms if you want the service. Always refuse that "convenience". I honestly don't understand why it's still legal.

Also, some dishonest merchants in Rio do the conversions in store without telling you, which is totally illegal, but most people wouldn't notice. I always tell them to charge in reals (when I don't forget, that is). Otherwise, just tell them to cancel the transaction and redo it.

[QUOTE=Nuupter;2755068]I reported him to Uber, on the safety link, and said he threathened me, and I did not feel safe, like the situation I described. Told this to the personal check in agent too, which he completely agrees with me, that he should go deal with uber and not me. About 30 minutes after or so, got a call, but couldn't answer. Then got an email from uber, saying they will investigate this, and I am refunded in full. That night, got another email, saying that they will continue to investigate this, and the driver has been dealt with. Today his profile is not available anymore when I go take a look. Must have been suspended. Good for him. Now he is Untermensch for messing with the wrong person he thinks is a new tourist in Brasil..[/QUOTE]Great to know that Uber is taking customer report seriously and making correct action!

Thank you for sharing this experience and this give me a way to understand how to handle issue with the drivers.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2758748]I prefer the 7 that you can easily upgrade to a 8 with some cash for hair and all the rest.[/QUOTE]I salute you vagabundo for doing your part in helping 7's become 8's! Your civic duties are greatly appreciated. You are a true whorist and a fine gentleman.

Hi everyone,

This is my very first posting on ISQ. I'm not new to the game, but next month will be my first time in Rio.

I had a bizarre experience with a Rio-based escort site that I'd like to share and get feedback on. Some time ago I was searching for escort agencies in Rio, and found four websites that are all linked together: Leblon Escorts, Barra VIP Escort Girl, Rio Escort Guide, and Ipanema Escorts (site in Portuguese). Most of the escorts on all four sites have the same phone number for bookings. It's a Rio number (I'm not certain if posting the number is allowed so I won't). One of the sites, Leblon, has a contact email for booking.

Since I had questions in advance of actually making a booking, I emailed Leblon and asked for more detail on rates and for advice on love motels (nothing else). I got no reply.

A week later, I called the phone number via WhatsApp (since the sites say they use it). I heard a very short recording in Portuguese, then the call was disconnected. I sent the following message via WhatsApp: "Hello, I am planning to make some bookings in December, but I have some questions first. I tried to call but I got voicemail. When would be a good time to call again?" I got an immediate response: "Hi" (nothing further). Ten minutes later I called again. The call was declined. I then got another immediate response: "Hi" (nothing further). I messaged back, "I am trying to call you about a booking. " A minute later I got the reply, "no" (nothing further).

I know I reached the right phone number because after initial contact a photo of a teddy-clad woman appeared next to the number in WhatsApp. (But after the "no" message, that photo was removed.).

Has anyone else dealt with these people, or had any similar experience? What's going on? Did I do something wrong? (If so, I have no idea what.)

Hoping someone can enlighten me.

I have been doing a lot of research and I have one day in Rio! What is everyone's recommendation for the best club and also I need a recommendation for the best escort site. If someone doesn't mind helping me out that would be great.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2759954][b]I have been doing a lot of research[/b] and I have one day in Rio! What is everyone's recommendation for the best club and also I need a recommendation for the best escort site. If someone doesn't mind helping me out that would be great.[/QUOTE]What did you find out from your research?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2759957]What did you find out from your research?[/QUOTE]My best best is going to one of the brothels like scandlos.

As for escorts I have been contacting girls on [URL]https://agenda31.com.br[/URL] and [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] but most of the girls seem a bit sketchy or fake because they don't want to verify with a video call or picture🤷127998;8205;9794;65039;.

[QUOTE=Riquewihr;2759888]Hi everyone,

This is my very first posting on ISQ. I'm not new to the game, but next month will be my first time in Rio.

I had a bizarre experience with a Rio-based escort site that I'd like to share and get feedback on. Some time ago I was searching for escort agencies in Rio, and found four websites that are all linked together: Leblon Escorts, Barra VIP Escort Girl, Rio Escort Guide, and Ipanema Escorts (site in Portuguese). Most of the escorts on all four sites have the same phone number for bookings. It's a Rio number (I'm not certain if posting the number is allowed so I won't). One of the sites, Leblon, has a contact email for booking.

Since I had questions in advance of actually making a booking, I emailed Leblon and asked for more detail on rates and for advice on love motels (nothing else). I got no reply.

A week later, I called the phone number via WhatsApp (since the sites say they use it). I heard a very short recording in Portuguese, then the call was disconnected. I sent the following message via WhatsApp: "Hello, I am planning to make some bookings in December, but I have some questions first. I tried to call but I got voicemail. When would be a good time to call again?" I got an immediate response: "Hi" (nothing further). Ten minutes later I called again. The call was declined. I then got another immediate response: "Hi" (nothing further). I messaged back, "I am trying to call you about a booking. " A minute later I got the reply, "no" (nothing further).

I know I reached the right phone number because after initial contact a photo of a teddy-clad woman appeared next to the number in WhatsApp. (But after the "no" message, that photo was removed.).

Has anyone else dealt with these people, or had any similar experience? What's going on? Did I do something wrong? (If so, I have no idea what.)

Hoping someone can enlighten me.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't use any of these sites while in Rio. They are scam sites. Use [URL]barravipsrio.com.br[/URL] or [URL]hotside.com.br[/URL].

No point in making advance bookings as they will ask for a deposit or just flake. Do it when you are in Rio. There is a post for love hotels in the forum somewhere. Let us know how it goes when you get to Rio.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2759994]My best best is going to one of the brothels like scandlos.

As for escorts I have been contacting girls on [URL]https://agenda31.com.br[/URL] and [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL] but most of the girls seem a bit sketchy or fake because they don't want to verify with a video call or picture🤷127998;8205;9794;65039;.[/QUOTE]You have the answer for best club in Sao Paulo (boate). Scandallo. With one evening in Rio de Janeiro, go to 4 x4 (Centro) or Solarium (Jardim Botanico). If you do a search here, they are written about often.

As far as escorts, you should be careful. There is a lot of bait and switch or girl is now older / fatter and / or shoddy service. As mentioned, you could start with [URL]barravipsrio.com[/URL] but I would still put in a little time and try to navigate and translate key concepts on the local review sites [URL]gparena.net[/URL] or gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL].

With only one day in Rio, you might not want to bother putting in the time researching escorts. You could hit the popular prives earlier in the day then head to the termas 4 x4 or Solarium early evening (5-6 pm). If you still have some bullets left, try your luck at Mabs and Dolce Vita later in the night. These last two are okay, but not great.

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2759954]I have been doing a lot of research and I have one day in Rio! What is everyone's recommendation for the best club and also I need a recommendation for the best escort site. If someone doesn't mind helping me out that would be great.[/QUOTE]There next weekend. Can't wait! Hopefully can get some time away from family and get some fun time in.

Thank you for all the info! I land Thursday and will right a report shortly after my visit. The rest of my time will be spent in Florianópolis and I will also be reporting about my time there. Happy mongering fellas!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2760024]You have the answer for best club in Sao Paulo (boate). Scandallo. With one evening in Rio de Janeiro, go to 4 x4 (Centro) or Solarium (Jardim Botanico). If you do a search here, they are written about often.

As far as escorts, you should be careful. There is a lot of bait and switch or girl is now older / fatter and / or shoddy service. As mentioned, you could start with [URL]barravipsrio.com[/URL] but I would still put in a little time and try to navigate and translate key concepts on the local review sites [URL]gparena.net[/URL] or gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL].

With only one day in Rio, you might not want to bother putting in the time researching escorts. You could hit the popular prives earlier in the day then head to the termas 4 x4 or Solarium early evening (5-6 pm). If you still have some bullets left, try your luck at Mabs and Dolce Vita later in the night. These last two are okay, but not great.[/QUOTE]

Thanks to all of you guys in here w / the amazing posts that have me excited to visit Rio! I have extended my upcoming stay from 2 weeks to 3 weeks in Rio.

I want to thank all if you for being the good bad influences that you are.

Looking forward to my visit and reporting my time in Rio.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2760285]Thanks to all of you guys in here w / the amazing posts that have me excited to visit Rio! I have extended my upcoming stay from 2 weeks to 3 weeks in Rio.

I want to thank all if you for being the good bad influences that you are.

Looking forward to my visit and reporting my time in Rio.[/QUOTE]If you have 3 weeks, you should consider spending one week in São Paulo. They are very different cities and have different mongering locales, even the types of girls are different. Guys tend to a strong preference for one city or the other. It's probably split right down the middle in preference.

[QUOTE=Riquewihr;2759888]Hi everyone,

This is my very first posting on ISQ. I'm not new to the game, but next month will be my first time in Rio.

I had a bizarre experience with a Rio-based escort site that I'd like to share and get feedback on. Some time ago I was searching for escort agencies in Rio, and found four websites that are all linked together: Leblon Escorts, Barra VIP Escort Girl, Rio Escort Guide, and Ipanema Escorts (site in Portuguese). Most of the escorts on all four sites have the same phone number for bookings. It's a Rio number (I'm not certain if posting the number is allowed so I won't). One of the sites, Leblon, has a contact email for booking.

Since I had questions in advance of actually making a booking, I emailed Leblon and asked for more detail on rates and for advice on love motels (nothing else). I got no reply..[/QUOTE]I have never used an escort agency in Brazil. That's a huge red flag. It's legal for girls to sell sex in Brazil but not legal to act as a middleman. That's why all of the legit escort online websites are just advertisement sites for the girls. Each girl has their own contact info and you make arrangements with each girl. Some of these advert sites will verify the girl ID or photos. [URL]https://barravipsrio.com/[/URL] Girls have pay a sizable fee to place their ad there so they tend to be the girl in the photos.

[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2760334]If you have 3 weeks, you should consider spending one week in So Paulo. They are very different cities and have different mongering locales, even the types of girls are different. Guys tend to a strong preference for one city or the other. It's probably split right down the middle in preference.[/QUOTE]The thought of this did cross my mind. I read plenty of posts in here of guys really enjoying the quality of girl in Sau Paulo. I'm 60/40 on actually catching a flight to Sau Paulo for a couple of days. It does make sense to make this happen instead of 3 straight weeks in Rio.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2760364]The thought of this did cross my mind. I read plenty of posts in here of guys really enjoying the quality of girl in Sau Paulo. I'm 60/40 on actually catching a flight to Sau Paulo for a couple of days. It does make sense to make this happen instead of 3 straight weeks in Rio.[/QUOTE]If you do decide to go to Sao Paulo, do yourself a favor and fly from Santos Dumont airport to Congonhas airport. These are more convenient airports that put you in the middle of both cities.

Most of our members know this tip, but if you don't have a lot of experience in Brazil this will save you both time and money.

[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2760337]I have never used an escort agency in Brazil. That's a huge red flag. It's legal for girls to sell sex in Brazil but not legal to act as a middleman. That's why all of the legit escort online websites are just advertisement sites for the girls. Each girl has their own contact info and you make arrangements with each girl. Some of these advert sites will verify the girl ID or photos. [URL]https://barravipsrio.com/[/URL] Girls have pay a sizable fee to place their ad there so they tend to be the girl in the photos.[/QUOTE]Girls are very beautiful for sure but with a lot of photoshop, and most of them with silicone breasts, I am not fan of plastic.

Wednesday, Monica Mattos Ass, The Secret Terma, The New Secret Terma.

Wednesday, Agent Vagabundo, Swiss Navy Private Investigations, conducted a cavity search of a Monica Mattos quality anal passage in the Secret Terma.

First he went to Central and got a bunch of new SIM chips. Google Project Fi cuts off data after 90 days if you don't go back to the US. Forget every positive thing I ever said about GOOG. Short GOOG, report it to the SEC, and f (ck those geeks, dox them and hang them by the balls out of the windows of low rises in the San Francisco tenderloin. Just get a sim chip with unlimited data for international roaming from some other company, or get one in Brazil. The girls at Central can probably help. It is 20 r for a registered VIVO chip, and 17 for a Claro Chip, and 10 for a TIM chip, no CPF, no ID, Rio was made for vagabundos, unlike some other Brazilian cities like maybe SP.

So, then V patrolled over past the Bolsonaro protest outside the ministry of defense. Things are going to get real.

Then he got to 116, met up with PV118, who is a Swiss Naval military genius. He was panning for gold and found his latest nugget, a girl who apparently left 4 x4, and he reports is the hottest in 116, the Secret Terma, that is Rua do Conceceao 116. I would publish a photo, but you know, Opsec, honor among mongers and theives and all that. Plus, you porn fan wanker losers in the rich world should come and get some for your own dick, and your palm does not count. Nor does a fleshlight. Don't get me started. SA, ok. Real, bare pussy is like worth 100 MG of Viagra.

So PV118, our Swiss Italian hero went up with senora bundinha, and then vagabundo spied a lass, the glory of her ass, to quote the saw doctors.

This ass is that of Monica Mattos. A Monica Mattos quality ass. For 90 reais, which is 18 US Dollars, still after 4 years almost of Covid inflation or distortion, then he took the ass up and commanded her to sit on his face, and fuck in doggy.

Room 7 is the room you want because it is bigger, has better ventilation (windows, to toss your used condoms out the window, dripping with jizz -- so you have been warned, do not stand in the street, because that splooge in your hair is not protein conditioner. Well, it is, sort of).

So Monica Mattos said she likes swings. She has a boyfriend. She lives in Jacacarazinho. She is a fucking total *****, 24 year old hard body, super fucking ass, and super fucking natural tits, see cup, smallish, nice mouthfulls. Oh, what a fucking *****. I slide my bratwurst into her box from behind, and asked her romatically, "vc quer um suruba com pretos".

Or, in the words of Marquez (Chapter 1 of Love in a time of cholera), "sodomy with the black men who work on the plantation" or words to that effect. My Germanic sausage pumped into her well used hoar vag jj and expanded her. While 69 ing I fingered her asshole. She did not let me have it. She did not kiss with tongue, maybe my fault as I left my mouthwash at home. But for 18 USD I fucked, with a condom unfortunately this time, a ass and pussy that is interchangable with monica Mattos.

Or Kamila Werneck.

OK, so maybe she was not much more than a fleshlight.

But she was a real woman fleshlight. And I committed sodomy, as it is defined in the bible with her. She gagged, and I face fucked her. She of course wasted my time by ordering me to wash my bratwurst before she throated it. Throat fucking a hoar is essential, as it triggers the gag reflex, triggers the g spot in her throat, and makes her hole wetter, allowing me to penetrate her most sacred hole. I prefer the vagina. I prefer morenas. I like negras too, and mulatas. Loiras a little less. But Morenas are the best. In my dream harem team, a morena dominates a negra, like Thati bom bom, a negra who used to work at Rua do Lapa 120 and was a senssation on gparena and forumx in 2014. I would like thati, a dark dark negra to dominate Kainen Bellato, a nice young 18 year old who was the all time best on command fuck all day, who actually brought her white hoar friends over for duplas and did not charge me to fuck her, as she loved me, she was my girlfriend, there in 2015 on a previous, 10 month trip to Rio. And I would have kainan dominate Lorena, that mulatta with big tits, whom I have code named Nia Nacci, that last name ironically (because she is an untermenchen and you racists you know who you are) wouldn't fuck her, Nazi. Oh, the irony.

Marquez, call your office.

Alot of those girls live in transamerica, still, and other barra hotel apartments.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy;2760628]Girls are very beautiful for sure but with a lot of photoshop, and most of them with silicone breasts, I am not fan of plastic.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/quem-sabe-o-que-quer-vai-direto-ao-ponto-id-s2sw8[/URL] anybody seen the former pornstar recently? I know she's older but I like matures and looks like that ass is still there.

They changed my trip so I only had 5 hours in rio. Arrived at the international airport around 6:30 pm and got an a Uber for 45 br and arrived at 4 x4 around 7! Not a very crazy lineup and the man to woman ration was maybe even or 2 to 1. Sat there for a bit and was approached by many girls until I found a great stunner. Had green contacts in and braces but the body was just my type. Since I wasn't going to have a lot of time I told her to pick a friend and ended up taking two upstairs. We negotiated some extras and for 1 hour, 2 chicks, and some things I like the total was just under 1000 br. Some might say I didn't get a good deal but for what I pay in Tijuana and other places in Europe I got more bang for my buck than anywhere else. These girls really aim to please and I enjoyed every minute of it. Got in a taxi and had time to eat and chill at the airport before my next flight.

Headed to San Paulo Monday and Tuesday so if you guys could recommend the top clubs there I would really appreciate it!

[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2761082]We negotiated some extras and for 1 hour, 2 chicks, and some things I like the total was just under 1000 br. Some might say I didn't get a good deal but for what I pay in Tijuana and other places in Europe I got more bang for my buck than anywhere else.[/QUOTE]Negotiated what extras? Brazil is not Tijuana or Europe. I do not know what extra you could be negotiating for. Usually everything is included and there is no upcharging.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2761150]Negotiated what extras? Brazil is not Tijuana or Europe. I do not know what extra you could be negotiating for. Usually everything is included and there is no upcharging.[/QUOTE]I had to pay a little extra for a lesbian show with lesbian rimming. It was at a private apartment I found thru the advertisement from a site that is listed here. She found a friend at the same apartment complex. I had to pay a little extra than what she normally charged. Only one experience.

Extras included rimming for both them and me, anal (had to pay to get them to do it because I am a man that has been blessed), also got them to cum swap with eachother at the finish. The amount wasn't crazy that's why I said extra. Still saved what I would've spent in Mexico or Germany. Also on my last two post you seem to question everything I say.

Hope you have a wonderful blessed time and not give others such a tough time trying to get some guidance while they figure out new adventures.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2761150]Negotiated what extras? Brazil is not Tijuana or Europe. I do not know what extra you could be negotiating for. Usually everything is included and there is no upcharging.[/QUOTE]

Well boys, all the information is there, but I guess you just need to take the time to look in better detail than I did. Part of the problem is that I had been checking out the website for RJMassagem since the time I started planning this adventure. And after reading everyone's experiences with massages in town, I really thought I would get the same experience wherever I went. I made an appointment with Ciri (at the Copa branch. I mean, hell, it's right across that street from the Eden Spa, and I just read an awesome review from Edan! She came in, gorgeous, lovely body, and gave me a perfectly wonderful nuru style massage. $350. Amazing deal in most places, and was honestly happy with the massage. Enthusiastic handy at the end, but that just doesn't really work for me so after a bit I let her off the hook after 15 min and hoped to move onto greener pastures as the day went on. Unfortunately, it got away from me, and I'm typing this anxiously awaiting tomorrow.

Moral of the story. Want a nice AMP style nuru massage in Rio, RJ in Copa is your spot. Want a chick to suck your face off before she fucks you half to death, I think you should go somewhere else.

Who is ready for some football tomorrow? Dallas vs Packers?

About 2 and a half weeks out from my 1st visit and this thread has me pretty much in a good position to fully enjoy myself.

I did the research online, Twitter and Google but have found nothing solid. Does anyone know of any Brazilian pornstars in Rio that I would be able to get time with?

Appreciate any information and feel free to DM if need be.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2761705]Does anyone know of any Brazilian pornstars in Rio that I would be able to get time with?[/QUOTE]What is your definition of a porn star?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2761724]What is your definition of a porn star?[/QUOTE]I'm speaking specifically of someone we may have seen on video exp: Monica Santhisgo, Darlene Amaro, Elisa Sanchez. (Not these women specifically but in this realm. It's the fantasy of the pornstar right. I've been lucky enough to see quite a few here in the states. Or maybe even some onlyfans Brazilian women in Rio. Seeing thier work before hand is always a nice turn on.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2761705]About 2 and a half weeks out from my 1st visit and this thread has me pretty much in a good position to fully enjoy myself.

I did the research online, Twitter and Google but have found nothing solid. Does anyone know of any Brazilian pornstars in Rio that I would be able to get time with?

Appreciate any information and feel free to DM if need be.[/QUOTE]Elisa Sanches fucks her fans. Check out the Anal Connoisseurs thread for my experience with her. She used to advertise a lot on Rio Sex Site. Maybe she still does (have not looked at it in awhile).

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2759305]Thinking of heading to Rio a week earlier than planned and just extending my stay for 3 weeks instead of 2.

My airbnb will not be available until my original date of travel so Thinking about staying at Pestana Hotel.

Online reviews are very mixed. Can someone give me a first hand account if this is a nice hotel? Thank you.[/QUOTE]I've stayed in this hotel a few times and like it very much. Yes the hotel needs to be refurbished but it's good for mongering. I would only stay in the ocean front suite as they are big and best view on the very large balcony in Copacabana.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2761969]I'm speaking specifically of someone we may have seen on video exp: Monica Santhisgo, Darlene Amaro, Elisa Sanchez. (Not these women specifically but in this realm. It's the fantasy of the pornstar right. I've been lucky enough to see quite a few here in the states. Or maybe even some onlyfans Brazilian women in Rio. Seeing thier work before hand is always a nice turn on.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.private55.com/acompanhantes-rj-rio-de-janeiro[/URL]

If you scroll down to bottom of page in Rio escorts, Estrela says she's a porn actress.

I was curious about Darlene's recent activity so I read some of the reviews on the local Portuguese language board gpguia. It seems she bounces around between RJ and SP with Rio as her base perhaps. I was skeptical that a 47 year old ass could be as tight as the photoacompanhantes advert, but the very solid positive reviews discuss a gym regimen. In reviewer's words, the ass might not be as large as the porn days but tight.

My personal commentary is that mature women with big asses who use the gym to fight it from falling have very hard asses and legs indeed. Sometimes too much for some tastes.

In any event, Darlene might be porn star experience more than girlfriend experience. She definitely gives up that ass. If recent prices of 250 reals for an hour are still the rate, I don't think you can go wrong if you book her. I seem to recall she has popped up on the radar off and on over the years. I would guess she has regulars and places ads sporadically when her bookings are low. It's also possible she's just in and out of the game. I would still try to validate her identity though before setting up a meeting.

Apparently, she is friends with fellow former big ass porn star Soraya Carioca. I would guess a threesome (dupla) might be possible if you are lucky enough to have them together in the same city. Looks like Soraya is coming to Rio soon.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/consola%C3%A7ao/atriz-porno-anal-e-local-incluso-em-breve-rj-id-s4bn9[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/sorayacarioca[/URL]

[QUOTE=RioBob;2761994]I've stayed in this hotel a few times and like it very much. Yes the hotel needs to be refurbished but it's good for mongering. I would only stay in the ocean front suite as they are big and best view on the very large balcony in Copacabana.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the response. I'm pretty sure this is where I will stay for my first week until I move to the airbnb.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2761976]Elisa Sanches fucks her fans. Check out the Anal Connoisseurs thread for my experience with her. She used to advertise a lot on Rio Sex Site. Maybe she still does (have not looked at it in awhile).[/QUOTE]Will do! Thanks for the input. Someone like her or a Natasha Lima or Kelly Brazil would be great to come across.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2762012]I was curious about Darlene's recent activity so I read some of the reviews on the local Portuguese language board gpguia. It seems she bounces around between RJ and SP with Rio as her base perhaps. I was skeptical that a 47 year old ass could be as tight as the photoacompanhantes advert, but the very solid positive reviews discuss a gym regimen. In reviewer's words, the ass might not be as large as the porn days but tight.

My personal commentary is that mature women with big asses who use the gym to fight it from falling have very hard asses and legs indeed. Sometimes too much for some tastes.

In any event, Darlene might be porn star experience more than girlfriend experience. She definitely gives up that ass. If recent prices of 250 reals for an hour are still the rate, I don't think you can go wrong if you book her. I seem to recall she has popped up on the radar off and on over the years. I would guess she has regulars and places ads sporadically when her bookings are low. It's also possible she's just in and out of the game. I would still try to validate her identity though before setting up a meeting.

Apparently, she is friends with fellow former big ass porn star Soraya Carioca. I would guess a threesome (dupla) might be possible if you are lucky enough to have them together in the same city. Looks like Soraya is coming to Rio soon.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/consola%C3%A7ao/atriz-porno-anal-e-local-incluso-em-breve-rj-id-s4bn9[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/sorayacarioca[/URL][/QUOTE]Just reached out to Darlene so hopefully I can make it happen. This will be one of those old visual fantasies.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2762055]Will do! Thanks for the input. Someone like her or a Natasha Lima or Kelly Brazil would be great to come across.[/QUOTE]I think your best bet is to hit Scandallo in SP and find a new, young star.

Natasha Lima and Kelly were goddesses, but they are so far from their prime. Kelly and other porn girls knocked around Copacabana Beach in the mid-2000's. Not only is that young Kelly lost to time so is that crazy Copa scene. That said you never know when you will run into a Brazilian porn star.

Please keep us updated on your pursuit of Darlene Amaro.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2761969]I'm speaking specifically of someone we may have seen on video exp: Monica Santhisgo, Darlene Amaro, Elisa Sanchez. (Not these women specifically but in this realm. It's the fantasy of the pornstar right. I've been lucky enough to see quite a few here in the states. Or maybe even some onlyfans Brazilian women in Rio.

Seeing thier work before hand is always a nice turn on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2762055]Will do! Thanks for the input. Someone like her or a Natasha Lima or Kelly Brazil would be great to come across.[/QUOTE]

In my experience over the years (...yes wayyyy back in the day...kkkk!), I've ran into and had good to decent sessions with a few Brazilian porn stars in the unlikely of places.

Sessioned with Lorena Aquino (and her cousin) at Termas 502, Rua da Alfandega 65. Sessioned with Manuche (Manush) at Termas Cancun/Manhattan Club. Ran into and chatted up, but did not session with Natasha Lima, at Vila Mimosa (VM) and Kelly Brazil, walking around Terraco Atlantico in front of Help, on a number of occasions. The 4x4 twins at 4x4 (Quatro por Quatro) and Terma Monte Carlo. My latest sighting (several years ago) was an unknown, from one of the Carnaval das Panteras videos, at U24. While other less known or slightly washed-up porn stars, get spotted at various locations all the time.

Today many of the newer Brazilian pornstars, may have more of an online persona/profile and will often advertise they've been in XXX videos. So whether it's online or in the traditional brick and mortar establishments, the point is, they can be found, if you know your Brazilian porn stars.

Especially those from the Big Bubble Butt Brazilian Orgy series, who maybe still in the game. Although, come to think of it, I think I've spotted and sessioned with (unbeknownst to me at the time) more of the "unknown/unnamed porn stars", from the Brazilian Panteras Baile and Carnaval series of XXX videos, than those porn stars found in mainstream XXX videos, like BBBB Orgy.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2762079]I think your best bet is to hit Scandallo in SP and find a new, young star.

Natasha Lima and Kelly were goddesses, but they are so far from their prime. Kelly and other porn girls knocked around Copacabana Beach in the mid-2000's. Not only is that young Kelly lost to time so is that crazy Copa scene. That said you never know when you will run into a Brazilian porn star.

Please keep us updated on your pursuit of Darlene Amaro.[/QUOTE]I actually connected with Darlene and she said she will be in Rio at my time of visit. If it all goes down properly I will report back how things went.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2762115]In my experience over the years (...yes wayyyy back in the day...kkkk!), I've ran into and had good to decent sessions with a few Brazilian porn stars in the unlikely of places.
The 4x4 twins at 4x4 (Quatro por Quatro) and Terma Monte Carlo. .[/QUOTE]The two big booty lite skin twins with the long black wavy hair? They have been working at 4 X4 for damn near 20+ years, I never knew they did a porno!

[QUOTE=Bravo;2763239]The two big booty lite skin twins with the long black wavy hair? They have been working at 4 X4 for damn near 20+ years, I never knew they did a porno![/QUOTE]I remember seeing a pair of twins at Meia Pataca a few times. Almost identical, short, quite fat asses (like Icelandic horse asses) and with the same tattoo on the lower back. They seemed to be quite popular at MP. Those are the 4 x 4 twins?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2763239]The two big booty lite skin twins with the long black wavy hair? They have been working at 4 X4 for damn near 20+ years, I never knew they did a porno![/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen one of them in at least one video. I don't think it was a mainstream video and also don't think they make a career out it, like "real porn stars".

Many of girls I have run into, had roles in lesser known videos, like those "Brazilian Carnaval party" style porn movies (by Pantera, Brasileirinhas, INT, Hardsexy...etc) and were part of the overall crowd, either as porn actors, fillers, fluffers or extras.

FWIW, really wish they would make more of these videos, as this was the party atmosphere, Brazil was famous for having.

You want (and we porn fans want) fresh porn stars. Eliza Sanches has had surgery to repair her pussy. Not sayin just sayin.

You want a Kelly Oliviera. Or the new Kelly since Kelly now is 2 years into her career and has been to Prague and is filming for companies in Miami, etc. So, stay up on twitter with the [URL]bradmontana.com[/URL] talent.

There is a Eliza Sanches suite in Mosaico. That's where the best new porno talent congregates. Speaking of which, Vagabundo needs to organize a few events out there, maybe for football or other sports events.

People ask for pornstars. OK, here's one.

[URL]https://barravipsrio.com/acompanhantes-rio-de-janeiro-yasmin-mineira[/URL]

I fucked her when she was just a new 18 year old for 150 reais in Motel Malaga in 2015. Now, IMHO, she is over priced. The truth is there are always new ones, you just have to be looking -- at the clubs, on the sites like [URL]gparena.net[/URL], etc.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2763500]You want (and we porn fans want) fresh porn stars. Eliza Sanches has had surgery to repair her pussy. Not sayin just sayin.

You want a Kelly Oliviera. Or the new Kelly since Kelly now is 2 years into her career and has been to Prague and is filming for companies in Miami, etc. So, stay up on twitter with the [URL]bradmontana.com[/URL] talent.

There is a Eliza Sanches suite in Mosaico. That's where the best new porno talent congregates. Speaking of which, Vagabundo needs to organize a few events out there, maybe for football or other sports events.[/QUOTE]

We must all thank the wonderful women who provide so much pleasure.

This evening was a trip to Joatinga Beach after visiting a friend with direct front seaviews. My menage a trois then left via the beach and a discreet BJ at sunset then off for sushi. I've been training them with anatomy and education videos on how to do a real massage, so we are taking turns, and they are getting good at it. My balls are massaged and sucked daily and my butthole teased during BJ. I've lost count how many shots have gone down their throats and their little pink lips wrapped over my namesake, pahllus maximus.

I give thanks, and I believe that if the Pilgims had this sort of treatment America would be a better and calmer place.

OK, men, so here's the plan.

[URL]https://members.evilangel.com/en/video/evilangel/Black-Babes-Lewd-Interracial-Buttfuck/130275[/URL]

You go and get this hoar, Noemie Bilas, and you bring her down here to Rio for a blowbang on Abrico beach.

I will bring over Yasmin Mineira, and like a team of hoars from Mosaico / 116/ Perola Negra.

We get all tested, and we gangbang the hoars down at the end of the nude beach on a sunny day.

Boom. I will be the fat ugly guy with a black baclava who is ass fucking noemie bilas on a leash.

Then we take those said hoars on the Rio Metro, which is a time machine, back to the year the Puritans came to America, and we get off on that year, and fly up to Boston and have Noemie Bilas fuck those fucking Puritans in the ass with a strapon, while she is giving me a blow job.

Fuck those motehr0 frters.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2764540]We must all thank the wonderful women who provide so much pleasure.

This evening was a trip to Joatinga Beach after visiting a friend with direct front seaviews. My menage a trois then left via the beach and a discreet BJ at sunset then off for sushi. I've been training them with anatomy and education videos on how to do a real massage, so we are taking turns, and they are getting good at it. My balls are massaged and sucked daily and my butthole teased during BJ. I've lost count how many shots have gone down their throats and their little pink lips wrapped over my namesake, pahllus maximus.

I give thanks, and I believe that if the Pilgims had this sort of treatment America would be a better and calmer place.[/QUOTE]

Hi guys,

Want to share my report from trip to Brasil in January this year.

I stayed in 4* hotel at Copacabana. Paid for double room because I was traveling with lads. There were no problems with taking girls to the room. Nobody cares about it.

I used this site: [URL]https://erosguia.com.br/rj/acompanhantes/[/URL].

Communication is smooth, prices are right but girls who comes to room are not the same as seen on photos. They're not bad tbh. I love Brazilians but they're not the same as on photos.

Better site to use is: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] + [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL].

Here you can find comments and reviews for annoucments.

Girls comes to hotel room without any problem or extra payment just need to pay for uber.

100/200 $are are really weak. Much better is trying those more expensive.

I didn't go to discos or clubs because "no habla espanol" and nobody speaks english. Only one ebony girls tried to flitr with me on beach but she wasnt my type.

And last thing maybe the most important if you travel with lad for sure you will be taken as gay. Travel alone or in bigger group of guys.

[QUOTE=Morales85;2764773]Hi guys,

Want to share my report from trip to Brasil in January this year.

I stayed in 4* hotel at Copacabana. Paid for double room because I was traveling with lads. There were no problems with taking girls to the room. Nobody cares about it.

I used this site: [URL]https://erosguia.com.br/rj/acompanhantes/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Anybody else have any experience with the above-referenced site?

In which hotel where you staying and which are the recommended girl-friendly hotels at the moment? I will travel early January. My favourite apartments all seem to be booked.

[QUOTE=Morales85;2764773]Hi guys,

Want to share my report from trip to Brasil in January this year.

I stayed in 4* hotel at Copacabana. Paid for double room because I was traveling with lads. There were no problems with taking girls to the room. Nobody cares about it.

I used this site: [URL]https://erosguia.com.br/rj/acompanhantes/[/URL].

Communication is smooth, prices are right but girls who comes to room are not the same as seen on photos. They're not bad tbh. I love Brazilians but they're not the same as on photos.

Better site to use is: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] + [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL].

Here you can find comments and reviews for annoucments.

Girls comes to hotel room without any problem or extra payment just need to pay for uber.

100/200 $are are really weak. Much better is trying those more expensive.

I didn't go to discos or clubs because "no habla espanol" and nobody speaks english. Only one ebony girls tried to flitr with me on beach but she wasnt my type.

And last thing maybe the most important if you travel with lad for sure you will be taken as gay. Travel alone or in bigger group of guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Morales85;2764773]Hi guys,

Want to share my report from trip to Brasil in January this year.

I stayed in 4* hotel at Copacabana. Paid for double room because I was traveling with lads. There were no problems with taking girls to the room. Nobody cares about it.

I used this site: [URL]https://erosguia.com.br/rj/acompanhantes/[/URL].

Communication is smooth, prices are right but girls who comes to room are not the same as seen on photos. They're not bad tbh. I love Brazilians but they're not the same as on photos.

Better site to use is: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] + [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL].

Here you can find comments and reviews for annoucments.

Girls comes to hotel room without any problem or extra payment just need to pay for uber.

100/200 $are are really weak. Much better is trying those more expensive.

I didn't go to discos or clubs because "no habla espanol" and nobody speaks english. Only one ebony girls tried to flitr with me on beach but she wasnt my type.

And last thing maybe the most important if you travel with lad for sure you will be taken as gay. Travel alone or in bigger group of guys.[/QUOTE]First, neither of these sites is better than another. They're both advertising sites where anyone can buy space and post anything.

Second if you'd done a little more than booking a few escorts, you would've known that 150-200 reals can buy you a wonderful fuck in Rio.

Third, I don't give a shit how the hotel views me when I travel with a buddy, although when I do travel with a buddy we book 2 rooms or a suite, or a 2-bdrm apartment. I'm not staying in a dorm on my cherished, time-limited vacation.

Fourth, you don't "habla Espanol" in Brazil. You either fala Portuguese, or you don't, and it's not a prerequisite of having the time of your life in boites. You should've at least tried.

Finally, you've failed to mention the name of the GF hotel you stayed and that info could be helpful to some folks here. Thus your report has zero value. Although maybe it'll encourage others to do a better job of planning their trip.

If you're for real, I'm sorry to say but you've done the impossible: botched your vacation in the best adult theme park on planet Earth. RTFF next time.

Soon I'll be back in that P4 P paradise known as RdJ for the first time since '19 & I've been scouring this board for useful intel, as usual. One thing I've read, much to my dismay, is that you now have to present photo ID (I. E. Passport) to ride the elevators in RB156? I've spent many, many afternoons like Harrison Ford exploring floor after floor of that building in search of bunda, but I'm just not feelin this idea of having my PP # in some computer just for the 'privilege' of checkin out prives!

For those who've already dealt w / this BS, a few questions:

- I've read conflicting reports on this: in order to get a keycard to ride an elevator, does a foreigner have to give security a physical PP or will a copy / pic do?

- Once you have the card & have ridden the elevator up to a given floor, will the card work to let you go to another floor. Like say from 6 to 9 or 14 to 22?

- Is it correct that once you go back down to the ground floor, the card stops working and you have to present your PP again to get another one in order to use a different elevator?

- Did they lock down the stairs too? IOW, you can still walk freely between floors via the stairwells, right?

This is such a bummer, as I've had many good / great pulls from that bldg over the years! Are there still a bunch of prives operating there or has this ID nonsense caused several to abandon ship?

Yeah, it's a total buzz kill, and what's worse, they just put in the same fukkid upped ID system at the [URL]Darkroom.com.br[/URL] building, praca Olivia bilac 28 or whatever. Jeezus friggin cristo mother mary and josef take your Brazilian laws and shove them up your Patricio asses!

Some time ago, perhaps in late 2020, I gave the pricks at 156 a copy of my Colombian military ID (retired) for one Colonel Arelan Buendia, the hero of a Marquez novel, one of the greatest novels of human literature, which was from the Swiss naval attache in Rio, and they accepted it. Now, it appears the assholes get more anal about having your real ID. But Onix and all those great little orifices and offices have the allure for we happy few, we Indiana Jones with our whip and USB powered vibrators in bright pink, and it is on balance worth it -- that said, Emporio do banho has no such system, nor does BelPrazer, nor does TDM 33. I suggest going to TDM 33/ up to 3206, and starting any fucking tour by doing a gang bang if you are up for it, or just a individual session with Duda, a dark dark negra law student who is a nasty and hard fuck as well as being a total cum drinking hoar for a bang swing festa. Tell her Vagabundo said Hi! Steph useta lover there, I did, to quote the saw doctors, a great Irish band -- but Steph alas is no more.

And of course, to walk around VM and Massagemtijuca takes no ID.

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2764911]Soon I'll be back in that P4 P paradise known as RdJ for the first time since '19 & I've been scouring this board for useful intel, as usual. One thing I've read, much to my dismay, is that you now have to present photo ID (I. E. Passport) to ride the elevators in RB156? I've spent many, many afternoons like Harrison Ford exploring floor after floor of that building in search of bunda, but I'm just not feelin this idea of having my PP # in some computer just for the 'privilege' of checkin out prives!

For those who've already dealt w / this BS, a few questions:

- I've read conflicting reports on this: in order to get a keycard to ride an elevator, does a foreigner have to give security a physical PP or will a copy / pic do?

- Once you have the card & have ridden the elevator up to a given floor, will the card work to let you go to another floor. Like say from 6 to 9 or 14 to 22?.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2764911]One thing I've read, much to my dismay, is that you now have to present photo ID (I. E. Passport) to ride the elevators in RB156?
- Did they lock down the stairs too? IOW, you can still walk freely between floors via the stairwells, right..[/QUOTE]I don't know if they still require ID to enter RB 156.

When I do a thorough privê-serach in RB156, RB185 or TDM33 I always go to the top floor and work my way down using the stairs. In RB156 and TDM33 there are fire exit stairs and it goes quick going downstairs. In RB185 you have to use the stairs next to the elevator which is a hassle as the porteiros will shout at you, in the loudspeakers.

[QUOTE=Morales85;2764773]Hi guys,

Want to share my report from trip to Brasil in January this year. <snip>

I stayed in 4* hotel at Copacabana. Paid for double room because I was traveling with lads. There were no problems with taking girls to the room. Nobody cares about it.

I used this site: [URL]https://erosguia.com.br/rj/acompanhantes/[/URL].

Communication is smooth, prices are right but girls who comes to room are not the same as seen on photos. They're not bad tbh. I love Brazilians but they're not the same as on photos.

Better site to use is: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/[/URL] + [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL].

<snip>

I didn't go to discos or clubs because "no habla espanol" and nobody speaks english. [/QUOTE]Morales85, this is just a friendly suggestion, but the next time you visit RJ or perhaps SP, if there is a next time, KKK, you really should check out the Termas (RJ) and the Boates (SP). IMHO this is where you will find the best working girls each city respectively has to offer, and the main advantage is that you get to see the girls and socialize with them before making any decisions. Language is not a problem in these bordellos thanks to Google Translate. The girls are used to dealing with Gringos and some even prefer them.

Back in April / May 2021 on my 1st visit to Brazil, the bordellos were all closed except for the SP Clinicas which somehow remained open. Thank Buddha. So, I had to little choice other than making use of a few well-known call girl sites. Fortunately, I met a bunch of very attractive girls on the high-end call girl sites such as BarraVips, MClass, and ClubModel. Prices were generally 2 x more on the high-end sites compared to the sites you mentioned, but I experienced no bait & switch and the girls I asked over were all of very high quality plus they gave me some memorable sessions. I am still in touch with a couple of these girls to this day even though the Boates (SP) and Termas (RJ) have reopened and have resumed being my main hunting ground.

One more thing you might want to consider: RJ may just not be your kind of town. It is a cool place, but there are several world class destinations that are arguably a lot better than RJ like SP, Pattaya, BKK, Jakarta, and Macau. On my most recent Oct / Nov Brazil trip I stayed in SP exclusively except for a 3-day Maresias beach break which I took with my favorite Scandallo girl. I did not miss the Termas one little bit. In any case, there are 3 reasons why I have already booked a 5th trip to SP in May / June: 1. I dig Brazilian girls, 2. I have a special SP girl (the girl I took to Maresias) whom I am very fond of and want to see again, and 3. It is a 8-hour non-stop flight to SP from MIA vs. A 24-hour flight to BKK.

I use my original second firearms licence in lieu of a passport where ever there is a need for an ID, and have copies of other original documents on me should anyone wants to verify them.

6 days and counting until my first visit to Rio! On this day I am thankful for all of the knowledge you guys have shared and I hope to contribute to the forum after my 3 week visit!

Yes, they asked for ID and only then gave out the elevator turnstile entrance card. The elevator goes to the top floor after which you have to take another elevator to get to the clinica.

Supposedly you have to return the big key card to the receptionist on leaving. Without the card, you can't exit the turnstile after coming back down to the lobby floor. It was a rather interesting learning experience for me as I didn't know that and dropped the card in the turnstile slot while I was going up and was locked in after coming back down to lobby. The security guard had to go and get the girl from the reception desk to give me an annoying look and get me out. Live and learn.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2764948]I don't know if they still require ID to enter RB 156.

When I do a thorough priv-serach in RB156, RB185 or TDM33 I always go to the top floor and work my way down using the stairs. In RB156 and TDM33 there are fire exit stairs and it goes quick going downstairs. In RB185 you have to use the stairs next to the elevator which is a hassle as the porteiros will shout at you, in the loudspeakers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2765050]
Back in April / May 2021 on my 1st visit to Brazil, the bordellos were all closed except for the SP Clinicas which somehow remained open. Thank Buddha. So, I had to little choice other than making use of a few well-known call girl sites. [/QUOTE]I was in SP, Rio, and Florianopolis in May of 2021. Everything was open. Business as usual. I'm attaching my passport stamp to show that I'm not blowing smoke up your ass. Blowing smoke meaning talk like " there are several world class destinations that are arguably a lot better than RJ like SP. " You mean Sao Paulo? It's a nasty, ugly dump. It's the only place in the world where I use the flashlight on my cell phone at night, to ensure I don't set into human feces left on the sidewalk by the ever growing army of mendigos. Certainly SP is a great place for punting, and definitely the port of entry most of us need to arrive in Brazil in 2022. But, a world class destination? I really wonder if you have ever been there. Pattaya better than Rio? In what way? Please don't try and tell me that Pattaya has great beaches. Pattaya is an adult male Disneyland (I've been there too), which is located on the water, but its not a "world class destination". Please.

[QUOTE=ReyKong6;2764911]Soon I'll be back in that P4 P paradise known as RdJ for the first time since '19 & I've been scouring this board for useful intel, as usual. One thing I've read, much to my dismay, is that you now have to present photo ID (I. E. Passport) to ride the elevators in RB156? I've spent many, many afternoons like Harrison Ford exploring floor after floor of that building in search of bunda, but I'm just not feelin this idea of having my PP # in some computer just for the 'privilege' of checkin out prives!

This is such a bummer, as I've had many good / great pulls from that bldg over the years! Are there still a bunch of prives operating there or has this ID nonsense caused several to abandon ship?[/QUOTE]Bummer? ID nonsense? I don't see the problem here. If you have actually entered Brazil, that means you have a passport, right? You have a problem showing your ID? What country do you live in where you never have to show your ID for routine things like picking up your prescription, voting or getting on an airplane? You had to show one to get on the plane to Brazil and you had to show it again when you arrived, didn't you.

I arrived in Brazil at the end of June and arrived here in Bogota a week ago. In all the time I was in Brazil I had to routinely show my passport to enter commercial buildings, to get on a intercity bus, and of course to board a plane. On both domestic and foreign flights. I've also had to send a photo of my passport to Spanish language schools in Buenos Aires and here in Bogota. And most relevant to Brazil, I've had to present some ID to the porteiro at apartment buildings where GPS work out of, as well as hotels they work out of. In the case of the latter, the desk clerks have made a photocopy of my ID, and taken an actual photo of me before letting me ascend. That also happened in an upscale apartment building in Sao Paulo, where the female porteiro had the demeanor of a Stasi agent at Checkpoint Charlie. This is standard routine. But it didn't stop me from having a good time.

And you know why they need your ID? I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but its for security. It's to discourage you from assaulting or murdering the girls, who are frequently targeted for violence. As my favorite girl in Rio told me, "This is very dangerous work. I never work alone. " Despite the security at the entrance to her building, she shares a 3-room suite with two other girls and will not allow clients to enter unless another girl is there in the suite. You call that nonsense? No, its called safety. And you would be a bit naive to think you are not being monitored on video cameras in any vice oriented establishment.

And if for some odd but legitimate reason you really can't show your ID, then go to a prive, or meet a GP at a love hotel. Now those places do not ask for your ID and for good reasons. Love hotels cater to couples who don't want their ID known, be it an ordinary adulterous situation or GP treating her married client to some fun (do you realize that most clients in Brazil are married?

That said, if showing your passport or just some sort of ID is an obstacle for you, then travel to South America, or probably any other country in the world, is just not in the cards for you.

OK, I get it. You really like RJ, and it is apparently your favorite mongering destination or one of. I firmly support your right to have that opinion and do not care if it is contrary to mine. But why the need to get nasty and question my integrity to make your point?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2765400] talk like " there are several world class destinations that are arguably a lot better than RJ like SP. " You mean Sao Paulo? It's a nasty, ugly dump. <snip> I really wonder if you have ever been there. Pattaya better than Rio? In what way? [/QUOTE]KKK. Don't make me laugh dude. When I use the descriptive phrase "world class" in reference to a city or town on a post in an ISG forum, it should be obvious to you that I am referring to world class mongering and nothing else.

Pat vs RJ:

Sure, Pattaya is a dump. Everyone knows that. But my point was I can't seriously compare RJ to Pat. They are in totally different leagues as far as our favorite hobby is concerned. If you have been to Pat and I have no reason to doubt your word, then you know that Pattaya has soi after soi after soi of girls, bars, beer complexes, massage parlors, go go's, nightclubs and SW's. How many Go Go's are there in Pat? I don't know. Too many to count. How many massage parlors? I don't know. Same same, there are too many to count. And on any given night there are hundreds and hundreds of girls (and ladyboys too 555) standing on Beach Rd starting a couple of blocks before the Hilton all the way to Walking Street looking for customers from 8 pm to 5 am. I don't know the exact numbers, no one does, but there must be at least 10 x, more likely 20 x or 30 x the number of working girls involved with the sex trade in Pattaya compared to RJ. On sheer volume alone and ease of access Pattaya wins hands down. There is no contest, no real comparison.

Look at my attached Pattaya map. It is meant to illustrate the sheer number of possibilities available in Pat. It is mind boggling. But note, I only included venues I have some interest in. I hardly ever visit Pattaya massage parlors because (again) my opinion they are not as good as the ones in BKK so they do not interest me and I did not place them on my map.

SP vs RJ:

Now like I said, you are entitled to your opinion and your personal preferences, but so am I and IMHO comparing SP (Sao Paulo) to RJ on mongering, SP wins. Why? The Boates! And the clinicas which I personally prefer over RJ prives. Please text me when a boate like Scandallo opens in RJ and I will fly over from SP on my next trip to check it out. I am not only talking about numbers of girls, but I am also talking girl quality which in my opinion is the most important thing. And while we are on the subject, I would also love to know what Terma or bar in RJ in your opinion can match Casarao in terms of sheer number of girls and circus circus like atmosphere. 4 x 4? Maybe, but I don't think so. VM? Ha, ha, ha. Not even close. But don't get me wrong, I like 4 x 4 and VM, to lesser extent, but those 2 places ain't as good as Casarao (IMHO). This is why I can skip RJ completely, spend all my trip time in SP, and feel I am not missing a fucking thing. I just think SP is an overall better mongering town in the year of our Lord, 2022 than RJ. You are free to think otherwise.

Integrity:

Lastly, I know you probably didn't mean to impugn my character when you questioned whether I have ever been to Pattaya. Maybe you did, but I will assume you just got carried away a little defending your love of RJ. Don't make it personal. I can assure you I have been travelling to SE Asia (Pat, BKK, Phnom, CGK, MNL, AC ect, ect) for well over 25 years. My current nom de guerre (A. H.) may have only a 361-post history since I began it during Covid when I first visited Brazil in 2021, but I have been contributing to the ISG under a different nom de guerre since 2008 and have over 4500 posts to my credit. It is also safe to say I am fairly well known on the ISG Asian thread and other forums whose names we are not allowed to say here and I have a number of ISG friends over in the Thai, PI, Indonesian, Cambodian, Macau, HKG, forums whom I have met and barhopped with in the real world. I really don't want to start a pissing contest with you, but I will defend my integrity and my word if I have to, so just lay off the personal shit. OK.

A. H.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2765601]Pat vs RJ:

Sure, Pattaya is a dump. Everyone knows that. But my point was I can't seriously compare RJ to Pat. They are in totally different leagues as far as our favorite hobby is concerned. If you have been to Pat and I have no reason to doubt your word, then you know that Pattaya has soi after soi after soi of girls, bars, beer complexes, massage parlors, go go's, nightclubs and SW's. How many Go Go's are there in Pat? I don't know. Too many to count. How many massage parlors? I don't know. Same same, there are too many to count. And on any given night there are hundreds and hundreds of girls (and ladyboys too 555) standing on Beach Rd starting a couple of blocks before the Hilton all the way to Walking Street looking for customers from 8 pm to 5 am. I don't know the exact numbers, no one does, but there must be at least 10 x, more likely 20 x or 30 x the number of working girls involved with the sex trade in Pattaya compared to RJ. On sheer volume alone and ease of access Pattaya wins hands down. There is no contest, no real comparison. Look at my attached Pattaya map. It is meant to illustrate the sheer number of possibilities available in Pat. It is mind boggling. But note, I only included venues I have some interest in. I hardly ever visit Pattaya massage parlors because (again) my opinion they are not as good as the ones in BKK so they do not interest me and I did not place them on my map.[/QUOTE]Yes, I get it too. What you say are the facts. But here's the thing. None of it matters one iota if one is not attracted to Asian women! So, Thailand can't be the best (or better) if you don't like Asian girls. Now, I won't say that I don't like them at all, but I am attracted to very, very, [B]very[/B] few Asian (or African for that matter) women. So much so that I always tell how I literally went 72 hours in Pattaya, ground zero for fucking in Thailand, without fucking anybody because I didn't see anybody who I liked (with all of that choice which you so accurately note)! So Dom Axel I can't dispute what you're saying. But not a lick of it matters one bit if one isn't into Asian girls! No it's those pretty Fox News anchor-looking, plump round bunda, big booty blonde Brazilian brancas that I have lust in my dark heart for (and those tanned babymaker morenas too) LMAO!

Maybe we need to clarify if we are talking about [B]world class destinations[/B] or [B]world class mongering destinations [/B] in our posts.

A large area of Sao Paulo is very nice and upscale actually. There are places that are dump and I have posted some pictures before but they are not all of Sao Paulo. Here are a few more that I took late at night near o Centro. I like both parts of the city.

There have been many posts on this topic but just wanted to share my experience.

You buy a Sim (chip) for example Claro chip recarga from any newspaper agent or Lojos Americanos.

These are 30 real with 12 GB of data for a month. Once you put the new SIM in your phone you wait for an SMS with your new phone number. This takes 20-30 minutes. Now you need to go to a Claro shop to activate the number. I went to Shopping Leblon mall and they activated the SIM at the Clara shop without even checking my passport.

Today I was busy writing some attractive ladies from the recommended sites using my new local number and the prices are local prices thanks to google translate.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2765645]Now you need to go to a Claro shop to activate the number. [/QUOTE]No, of course not.

Hi mongers.

I will be in Rio next Friday for a week. This will be my third time to Rio this year. Would love to meet fellow mongers as always. Please DM me if anyone is interested to meet up.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2765620]Yes, I get it too. What you say are the facts. But here's the thing. None of it matters one iota if one is not attracted to Asian women! So, Thailand can't be the best (or better) if you don't like Asian girls. Now, I won't say that I don't like them at all, but I am attracted to very, very, [B]very[/B] few Asian (or African for that matter) women. So much so that I always tell how I literally went 72 hours in Pattaya, ground zero for fucking in Thailand, without fucking anybody because I didn't see anybody who I liked (with all of that choice which you so accurately note)! So Dom Axel I can't dispute what you're saying. But not a lick of it matters one bit if one isn't into Asian girls! No it's those pretty Fox News anchor-looking, plump round bunda, big booty blonde Brazilian brancas that I have lust in my dark heart for (and those tanned babymaker morenas too) LMAO![/QUOTE]Cane,

First, I look at the face. KKK. Because I am attracted to pretty faces and then slender body types, but after I see what I like, I always check out the girl's demeanor & personality wherever the fuck I am. It reminds me of the old Motown hit by the Contours, "First I look at the Purse. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHDmH8r5l7Y[/URL].

In Thailand I love demure spinners with pretty faces. Girls weighing in at around 40 kg. But truth be told, pretty faces among Thai Go Go girls are a minority. I would estimate that only 5% to 7% of the girls in my favorite Go Go's in BKK or Pattaya, places like Kings Castle 1, Rainbow 4, and Pin Up are barfine worthy, to me anyway. The rest don't even register on my radar. And in lessor Go Go's there may not be any girls to my liking. That's just the way it is.

In Brazil pretty spinners are still my favorite category, but I am happy to report that I have also discovered a new body type, new for me anyway: tall, slender Brazilian girls. Wow! Is all I will say about them until I write up my most recent trip reports. But on any given Thursday, or Friday night I will usually find that around 10% to 15% of SP Scandallo girls are attractive to me which considering how many girls are in the club, turns out to be a lot of pretty girls to choose from. That is why I hold Scandallo in such high regard.

Brancas are my favorites, but I also like morenas, indigenous girls, and an occasional a black girl too. After her good looks grabs my attention, it all hinges on the girl and how she interacts with me. Interestingly, I find Japanese Brazilian girls are a bit of letdown. They are not the same as Japanese Japanese girls IMHO. KKK.

Anyway, let me know if you will be around in May / June 2023. It sounds like we are attracted to different body types. The interesting thing would be if we agree or disagree on pretty faces.

A. H.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2765400]ou mean Sao Paulo? It's a nasty, ugly dump. It's the only place in the world where I use the flashlight on my cell phone at night, to ensure I don't set into human feces left on the sidewalk by the ever growing army of mendigos. Certainly SP is a great place for punting, and definitely the port of entry most of us need to arrive in Brazil in 2022. But, a world class destination? [/QUOTE]SP is certainly not a dump. I do prefer RJ to SP but it's a world class city indeed, very green for a huge megapolis with an excellent transportation system, plenty of things to see and fantastic restaurants. Ibirapuera Park is one of the best urban parks in the world, and I was surprised how much I loved walking there (that's coming from NYC with our Central Park). Centro can be depressing on a weekend, but I have never had to use a flashlight to avoid human waste, although I do tend to uber in both Rio and SP at night.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2765741]SP is certainly not a dump. I do prefer RJ to SP but it's a world class city indeed, very green for a huge megapolis with an excellent transportation system, plenty of things to see and fantastic restaurants. Ibirapuera Park is one of the best urban parks in the world, and I was surprised how much I loved walking there (that's coming from NYC with our Central Park). Centro can be depressing on a weekend, but I have never had to use a flashlight to avoid human waste, although I do tend to uber in both Rio and SP at night.[/QUOTE]Well Said! I too enjoy walking around Ibirapuera Park as well as the surrounding neighborhoods and discovering small restaurants that the locals favor. I also find that Paulistanos are friendly yet they tend to leave one alone unless I choose to open up a dialogue.

I remember an old quote from Anthony Bourdain who once said that when he first arrived in SP, "São Paulo felt (to him) like LOS Angeles threw up on New York City" and "it is true that the city is known for its unreliable weather and the size of its helicopter fleet. " LOL. But even Anthony changed his tune by his 2nd visit as he "discovered a fondness for the rich culture that has developed from the mix of rich and poor, young and old <snip a city of the kind of people I like. " Which parallels how I feel IE SP is a city of wonderful women.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2765702]Cane,

First, I look at the face. KKK. Because I am attracted to pretty faces and then slender body types, but after I see what I like, I always check out the girl's demeanor & personality wherever the fuck I am. It reminds me of the old Motown hit by the Contours, "First I look at the Purse. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHDmH8r5l7Y[/URL].

In Thailand I love demure spinners with pretty faces. Girls weighing in at around 40 kg. But truth be told, pretty faces among Thai Go Go girls are a minority. I would estimate that only 5% to 7% of the girls in my favorite Go Go's in BKK or Pattaya, places like Kings Castle 1, Rainbow 4, and Pin Up are barfine worthy, to me anyway. The rest don't even register on my radar. And in lessor Go Go's there may not be any girls to my liking. That's just the way it is. Anyway, let me know if you will be around in May / June 2023. It sounds like we are attracted to different body types. The interesting thing would be if we agree or disagree on pretty faces..[/QUOTE]The face is also [B]extremely[/B] important to me. It's like I always say. If I can't get past that face, then I won't be getting to them "hind parts" [B]hahahaha[/B]. Guys who do "butter face" girls tell me to just turn them over or do them doggy. My reply? I have a vivid imagination LOL! But seriously though, that's the main reason why I'm not sexually attracted to most Asian women. It's their faces. Why even by your own account above most of them don't have attractive faces. So maybe we agree on that much. I mean if I see 100 Asian women I'm probably going to give only 10 a second look. And out of that 10 I would probably only fuck 2 or 3. No more mongering trips to Asia for me with those kinds of odds of finding someone who gives me a boner! Glad I went and checked it off the bucket list but would rather go to other parts of the world to monger.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2765702]... I have also discovered a new body type, new for me anyway: tall, slender Brazilian girls. Wow! ..[/QUOTE]Same here. LOL. I like the ones that have proportion like model body, head can't be too big. I don't really have a preference on height in my head, just most of the times I felt stuck with taller girl during sex, but slender girl is different.

Thanks to all the helpful feedback on this issue. As I value my privacy, I will avoid RB156 & OB28 and instead explore TDM33, other buildings w / o this ridiculous requirement & the many dozen walkup prives in Zona Sul & greater Centro. And for any of you who think having to present your original PP & taking a photo just to visit a public business is no big deal, I wonder if those security guards are complying with this law and related laws: [URL]https://www.osano.com/articles/brazil-lgpd[/URL].

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2765601] ... Integrity:

Lastly, I know you probably didn't mean to impugn my character when you questioned whether I have ever been to Pattaya. Maybe you did, but I will assume you just got carried away a little defending your love of RJ. Don't make it personal. I can assure you I have been travelling to SE Asia (Pat, BKK, Phnom, CGK, MNL, AC ect, ect) for well over 25 years. My current nom de guerre (A. H.)may have only a 361-post history since I began it during Covid when I first visited Brazil in 2021, but I have been contributing to the ISG [b]under a different nom de guerre [/b] since 2008 and have over 4500 posts to my credit. ...[/QUOTE]Indeed, under your other ISG "nom de guerre", your reports were extensive, comprehensive and very informative, as are many of your current Brazilian reports.

I would even go so far as to say under your other pseudonym/moniker, you were perhaps one of the preeminent BM/posters on Asia. Personally, I did enjoyed reading several your adventurous reports on PI, over the years.

[QUOTE=The Cane;2765871]The face is also [B]extremely[/B] important to me. It's like I always say. If I can't get past that face, then I won't be getting to them "hind parts" [B]hahahaha[/B]. Guys who do [b][u]"butter face" girls[/u][/b] tell me to just turn them over or do them doggy. ... No more mongering trips to Asia for me with those kinds of odds of finding someone who gives me a boner! Glad I went and checked it off the bucket list but would rather go to other parts of the world to monger.[/QUOTE] Oh boy, you've hit on one of my favorite niche categories here, [b]"but-her face" girls.[/b] I love me a good "but-her face" girl, just as long as she comes with a great body and great attitude...kkkk!

Sure I get it, "the face" is top of the pops, for many a monger here, it just not at the top of my priorities.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2765698]Hi mongers.

I will be in Rio next Friday for a week. This will be my third time to Rio this year. Would love to meet fellow mongers as always. Please DM me if anyone is interested to meet up.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Tried to send you a PM about a WhatsApp group in Rio but could not because apparently you can't get PMs. You may want to check why not.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2766024]Oh boy, you've hit on one of my favorite niche categories here, [b]"but-her face" girls.[/b] I love me a good "but-her face" girl, just as long as she comes with a great body and great attitude...kkkk!

Sure I get it, "the face" is top of the pops, for many a monger here, it just not at the top of my priorities.[/QUOTE]Have at them bro. They're all yours! It takes all types to make the world go around. LOL!

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butterface[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2765741]SP is certainly not a dump. I do prefer RJ to SP but it's a world class city indeed, very green for a huge megapolis with an excellent transportation system, plenty of things to see and fantastic restaurants. Ibirapuera Park is one of the best urban parks in the world, and I was surprised how much I loved walking there (that's coming from NYC with our Central Park). Centro can be depressing on a weekend, but I have never had to use a flashlight to avoid human waste, although I do tend to uber in both Rio and SP at night.[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. If you like big cities, you'll like SP. Of course Rio is more spectacular -- it's one of the most spectacular cities in the World. But SP has about anything you could want besides a beach. It has the best restaurants in South America hands down. And I especially agree with Ibirapuera Park. Every day in SP, I try to walk a bit in the park. And obviously the women, no better place anywhere.

SP is the NY of S America.

+55 21 98110-1598.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/barra-da-tijuca/loira-linda-e-completa-com-oral-ate-o-final-namoradinha-id-ee4nf[/URL]

Picked up a girl on photoacompanhantes, whatsapped and invited her to my hotel. Quoted me 300 per hour plus Uber. I searched using 'verified photos' filter, however a girl that showed up wasn't the one on the picture. Yet she was still hot and I decided she could stay. Very nice fake boobs with extremely sensitive and perky nipples. Asked her to stay two hours (mistake), and she asked for 700, agreed.

Didn't want to do BJ with no rubber, but I kinda had to convince her. After couple of minutes of pounding she started complaining that I'm not cumming soon enough and that 'it wasn't only sex' that we agreed on. Finished off and told her to leave. Don't know if the link will still be there, but be careful. I remember using that platform (photoacompanhantes) long time ago and don't remember a bad experience like that.

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;2766176]+55 21 98110-1598.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/barra-da-tijuca/loira-linda-e-completa-com-oral-ate-o-final-namoradinha-id-ee4nf[/URL]

Picked up a girl on photoacompanhantes, whatsapped and invited her to my hotel. Quoted me 300 per hour plus Uber. I searched using 'verified photos' filter, however a girl that showed up wasn't the one on the picture. Yet she was still hot and I decided she could stay. Very nice fake boobs with extremely sensitive and perky nipples. Asked her to stay two hours (mistake), and she asked for 700, agreed.

Didn't want to do BJ with no rubber, but I kinda had to convince her. After couple of minutes of pounding she started complaining that I'm not cumming soon enough and that 'it wasn't only sex' that we agreed on. Finished off and told her to leave. Don't know if the link will still be there, but be careful. I remember using that platform (photoacompanhantes) long time ago and don't remember a bad experience like that.[/QUOTE]Just don't know why guys keep going to Brazil and using PA when there are so many documented better online choices than that. It truly boggles the mind!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2766032]Have at them bro. They're all yours! It takes all types to make the world go around. LOL![/QUOTE]Like my South American brother-in-law used to say; "la cara ofende, pero el culo defiende".

[QUOTE=Nordico;2766241]Like my South American brother-in-law used to say; "la cara ofende, pero el culo defiende".[/QUOTE]But there's the other side of the coin too. What about those ones who have just a gorgeous, gorgeous face but a subpar body? I've known a few of those too in my life. They also get a pass!

[URL]https://barravipsrio.webgata.net/acompanhantes-rio-de-janeiro-sabrina-santos[/URL]

Another experience, this time a positive one. Whatsapped Sabrina in the morning and got a prompt reply before 9 am. Agreed to meet at 11 am, quoted at 600. Ended up paying 200 more for 'Uber' as she said she lived far.

Very nice attitude, tall beautiful girl. Operated boobs which are not the ones that are one the pictures (better ones). Very nice plump butt.

Overall very nice experience, and good effort from Sabrina. Blowjob could've been a bit better though, wasn't really enthusiastic and not exactly CIM per se.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2766187]Just don't know why guys keep going to Brazil and using PA when there are so many documented better online choices than that. It truly boggles the mind![/QUOTE]Learning by trial and error, sir.

I'm personally a little tired of 'perfect and expensive' luxury girls. And kinda of looking forward to more amateurish type. That's why I figured I can try PA. But hey, I come here once in a blue moon, and will know better now.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2766032]Have at them bro. They're all yours! It takes all types to make the world go around. LOL!

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butterface[/URL][/QUOTE]Yep, all types! That it does, my man, that it does!

What a boring place, the world would be, if we all liked the same thing...kkkk!

[QUOTE=Combo;2766082]Agree 100%. If you like big cities, you'll like SP. Of course Rio is more spectacular -- it's one of the most spectacular cities in the World. But SP has about anything you could want besides a beach. It has the best restaurants in South America hands down. And I especially agree with Ibirapuera Park. Every day in SP, I try to walk a bit in the park. And obviously the women, no better place anywhere.

SP is the NY of S America.[/QUOTE]I almost agree but I see SP as a number 2 for restaurants (no pun intended, LOL). I regard Lima as THE gastronomical Mecca of South America, although I've heard the scene's gotten worse due to Covid.

You make valid points.

But IMHO, one should avoid showing ID for many reasons.

1. the girls will try to scam you. Once she has your real name, it's much easier to try to extort you in any number of ways.

2. ditto, the building, the casa, the police, etc, etc. The main business of rio de janeiro is fucking gringos. Be the bat, not the ball.

You want to be the grey man.

BTW, generally, don't put your photo on your whatsapp. Interesting and probably valid discussion of zap too.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2765402]Bummer? ID nonsense? I don't see the problem here. If you have actually entered Brazil, that means you have a passport, right? You have a problem showing your ID? What country do you live in where you never have to show your ID for routine things like picking up your prescription, voting or getting on an airplane? You had to show one to get on the plane to Brazil and you had to show it again when you arrived, didn't you.

I arrived in Brazil at the end of June and arrived here in Bogota a week ago. In all the time I was in Brazil I had to routinely show my passport to enter commercial buildings, to get on a intercity bus, and of course to board a plane. On both domestic and foreign flights. I've also had to send a photo of my passport to Spanish language schools in Buenos Aires and here in Bogota. And most relevant to Brazil, I've had to present some ID to the porteiro at apartment buildings where GPS work out of, as well as hotels they work out of. In the case of the latter, the desk clerks have made a photocopy of my ID, and taken an actual photo of me before letting me ascend. That also happened in an upscale apartment building in Sao Paulo, where the female porteiro had the demeanor of a Stasi agent at Checkpoint Charlie. This is standard routine. But it didn't stop me from having a good time.

And you know why they need your ID? I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but its for security. It's to discourage you from assaulting or murdering the girls, who are frequently targeted for violence. As my favorite girl in Rio told me, "This is very dangerous work. I never work alone. " Despite the security at the entrance to her building, she shares a 3-room suite with two other girls and will not allow clients to enter unless another girl is there in the suite. You call that nonsense? No, its called safety. And you would be a bit naive to think you are not being monitored on video cameras in any vice oriented establishment.

And if for some odd but legitimate reason you really can't show your ID, then go to a prive, or meet a GP at a love hotel. Now those places do not ask for your ID and for good reasons. Love hotels cater to couples who don't want their ID known, be it an ordinary adulterous situation or GP treating her married client to some fun (do you realize that most clients in Brazil are married?

That said, if showing your passport or just some sort of ID is an obstacle for you, then travel to South America, or probably any other country in the world, is just not in the cards for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TylerDurd;2766176]+55 21 98110-1598.

[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/rio-de-janeiro/barra-da-tijuca/loira-linda-e-completa-com-oral-ate-o-final-namoradinha-id-ee4nf[/URL]

Picked up a girl on photoacompanhantes, whatsapped and invited her to my hotel. Quoted me 300 per hour plus Uber. I searched using 'verified photos' filter, however a girl that showed up wasn't the one on the picture. Yet she was still hot and I decided she could stay. Very nice fake boobs with extremely sensitive and perky nipples. Asked her to stay two hours (mistake), and she asked for 700, agreed.

Didn't want to do BJ with no rubber, but I kinda had to convince her. After couple of minutes of pounding she started complaining that I'm not cumming soon enough and that 'it wasn't only sex' that we agreed on. Finished off and told her to leave. Don't know if the link will still be there, but be careful. I remember using that platform (photoacompanhantes) long time ago and don't remember a bad experience like that.[/QUOTE]You may have made a mistake on your search does not look like her picture is verified.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2766464]You make valid points.

But IMHO, one should avoid showing ID for many reasons.

1. the girls will try to scam you. Once she has your real name, it's much easier to try to extort you in any number of ways.

2. ditto, the building, the casa, the police, etc, etc. The main business of rio de janeiro is fucking gringos. Be the bat, not the ball.

You want to be the grey man.

BTW, generally, don't put your photo on your whatsapp. Interesting and probably valid discussion of zap too.[/QUOTE]I never thought about it much, but my "don't stand out / blend in as much as possible" policy leads me to follow the points you suggest. But with girls I repeat with there comes a time when I learn their real names and they mine. I never trust anyone 100%, but I trust my judgment and instincts viz a viz the girls. I know when it is alright to lower my guard a little.

But definitely do not put your photo on your WhatsApp profile. I use a picture of leopard in the jungle. And I have a separate account and alias email name for everything related to our sport. Protect your identity boys. It's very important.

[QUOTE=Combo;2766082].... It has the best restaurants in South America hands down. ....[/QUOTE]Have you been to Lima?

Did a booking for Livia 11 am today as I wanted to be the first customer of the day. Asked if I need a passport to enter the building and they confirmed that ID is needed.

Took metro to Centro / Carioca and the Onix Terapias building is just next to the underground exit. You have to get a card to get on the elevator which requires registration with ID. They ask 2 questions: Which floor and which room? Then when I touch the card on the turnstyle I see my real name. How embarassing is that? They have a record of me visiting that particular apartment.

After ringing the door I was let in and asked to wait in a standard room, which was depressing. So I left the room and asked how much difference the VIP room would be as I saw on the web page that they have VIP rooms. Normal massage 1 HR in standard room are $R170 in VIP room are $R200. Of course I took the VIP room. They asked for are $R30 extra paying by credit card so I paid cash.

Livia is a really beautiful girl and apparently she commutes every day from Baja. The good news is that there is a direct line from Centro going there. Livia came across as a bit shy. She has one pierced nipple and pierced belly. She is all natural and has a beautiful bum. I'm into slim girls with nice faces and she was definitely my type. It was my first time with her and she did not do DFK more of the kissing on the lips. So it was not really passionate the way I wanted. Blowjob without condom and then covered sex in various positions. Her oral sex is not the best but she makes up for it with her personaility.

[URL]https://www.onixterapias.com/terapeuta-info.php?p=LIVIA&s=270[/URL]

I think I would try once more with her to see if she will kiss more passionate. There was one more girl I liked there: Bianca. All pictures on the site are slightly glammed up that is why I wanted to see the other girls in person while I was there.

Reading some of the reports of guys paying small fortunes and taxi fares for girls this is great value for money although you need to carry ID to enter the building as mentioned.

[QUOTE=Neilk;2746306]Hey guys,

Thinking of a Rio & Sao Paulo trip for the first time very soon. Wondering if anyone has had any good experiences with [URL]Seeking.com[/URL] here?[/QUOTE]Same question. Anyone use [URL]seeking.com[/URL] for RdJ? Either for one off dates or for longer multi day sessions? I'm planning to go down for a conference next year and wouldn't mind hooking up with one or 2 ladies who would be willing to go on multiple dates while I'm there for the week.

Thanks for the report. I will put Livia on the short list for ball licker, in fielder in the harem, since she lives in barra (note spelling). Girls like her in Baja would make bank, but why spoil them.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2766629]Did a booking for Livia 11 am today as I wanted to be the first customer of the day. Asked if I need a passport to enter the building and they confirmed that ID is needed.

Took metro to Centro / Carioca and the Onix Terapias building is just next to the underground exit. You have to get a card to get on the elevator which requires registration with ID. They ask 2 questions: Which floor and which room? Then when I touch the card on the turnstyle I see my real name. How embarassing is that? They have a record of me visiting that particular apartment.

After ringing the door I was let in and asked to wait in a standard room, which was depressing. So I left the room and asked how much difference the VIP room would be as I saw on the web page that they have VIP rooms. Normal massage 1 HR in standard room are $R170 in VIP room are $R200. Of course I took the VIP room. They asked for are $R30 extra paying by credit card so I paid cash.

Livia is a really beautiful girl and apparently she commutes every day from Baja. The good news is that there is a direct line from Centro going there. Livia came across as a bit shy. She has one pierced nipple and pierced belly. She is all natural and has a beautiful bum. I'm into slim girls with nice faces and she was definitely my type. It was my first time with her and she did not do DFK more of the kissing on the lips. So it was not really passionate the way I wanted. Blowjob without condom and then covered sex in various positions. Her oral sex is not the best but she makes up for it with her personaility.

[URL]https://www.onixterapias.com/terapeuta-info.php?p=LIVIA&s=270[/URL]

I think I would try once more with her to see if she will kiss more passionate. There was one more girl I liked there: Bianca. All pictures on the site are slightly glammed up that is why I wanted to see the other girls in person while I was there.

Reading some of the reports of guys paying small fortunes and taxi fares for girls this is great value for money although you need to carry ID to enter the building as mentioned.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

I'm planning on moving around June to Rio. My plan is to go on a student visa for a couple years so I can become fluent in Portuguese and then switch over to an investor visa. From my research it seems hard for an Expat to rent that's not an Airbnb, which is way too expensive for what you get long-term. Are there any websites to find private rentals or are there agencies that work with ex-pats? I'm hoping that if I am willing to put a bigger deposit down or pay the entire rental Upfront they will rent to me as a foreigner. Any advice that someone can give me on this obstacle would be really greatly appreciated!

Was wondering what the mongering scene is like during the Rio Carnaval?

Went to Beco das Garrafas yesterday and the live Bossa Nova music was amazing. 50 real to enter and drinks caipiroska and caipirinha are around are 22 real.

[URL]https://becodasgarrafas.com.br/[/URL]

May go on Friday again if I do not hear from Vagabundo There is another more casual place without cover when I went there last time: Bip Bip. They do not only play Bossa Nova there.

[URL]https://www.guiadasemana.com.br/rio-de-janeiro/bares/estabelecimento/bip-bip[/URL]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2766530]Have you been to Lima?[/QUOTE]Good question. In my opinion and many other's opinions, Lima is currently the culinary hot spot of Southern America. You will find many more high-end restaurants in SP. Perhaps you will also find better Italian food in Sao Paulo. However, Lima's restaurants are offering amazing experiences with local seafood and ingredients. There's also Japanese and Chinese influences in Lima's culinary tradition.

I want to try and contribute as I go. Just landed today and I will say if you can book the ocean view suite at this Hotel book with confidence! Guest friendly and the view off of the large balcony is crazy.

Heading to Barra now to link up with a hot hot hot one I was referred to by a Brazilian lady friend of mine back in Miami. Looking forward to sharing this 3 week adventure.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2766808]Was wondering what the mongering scene is like during the Rio Carnaval?[/QUOTE]As you would expect, the competition for an available pussy will be immense. Still, plenty more pussies will descend on Rio for the sousagefest, so you'll still be able to get yours.

The atmosphere is nuts, noisy and a huge aphrodisiac, at least that's how it felt for me. Streets are full with the dancing locals, drunk tourists of both sexes and pickpockets. Tons of pickpockets. You will occasionally hear something that sounds like a gunfire, which might well be a gunfire, so if you see people ducking, don't be a standout guy, LOL. All prices are pointed upwards just like your dick. If you're a younger fellow, you'll love it. If not, it's still worth experiencing once in your lifetime.

But once in your lifetime is quite enough, IMHO.

By the well, it will likely be a real superspreader event, so I'd get the best travel / medical insurance money can buy.

Like I said, triple your budget.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2767162]I want to try and contribute as I go. Just landed today and I will say if you can book the ocean view suite at this Hotel book with confidence! Guest friendly and the view off of the large balcony is crazy.

Heading to Barra now to link up with a hot hot hot one I was referred to by a Brazilian lady friend of mine back in Miami. Looking forward to sharing this 3 week adventure.[/QUOTE]Thinking about staying at the Pestana as well. Can you please tell me about the upstairs pool bar, are their girls from the outside that are allowed to come upstirs? Also what is the price for the Ocean view suite? Thanks so much.

Hey guys I might fly into Gallegos this time around instead of GRU. Does anyone know if there's wifi in the Airport and where the simplest place is in Rio to get a SIM card? Last time I was in SP only Claro would sell to me without CPfuckingF. My language skills still arent good enough to feel confident without immediate internet access.

And does anyone recommend any new Termas?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2766528]I never thought about it much, but my "don't stand out / blend in as much as possible" policy leads me to follow the points you suggest. But with girls I repeat with there comes a time when I learn their real names and they mine. I never trust anyone 100%, but I trust my judgment and instincts viz a viz the girls. I know when it is alright to lower my guard a little.

But definitely do not put your photo on your WhatsApp profile. I use a picture of leopard in the jungle. And I have a separate account and alias email name for everything related to our sport. Protect your identity boys. It's very important.[/QUOTE]Coming here from Pattaya looking forward to come home to Brazil. Been away for 8 months. God, I am so homesick. I can literally feel life coming back to me, familiar language, familiar places, being able to communicate with the girls, oh boy, I am so homesick and soon I will be back. What a joy.

But I do use my normal WhatsApp. I separate Colombian (Spanish speaking activity) on one number, from everything else on my Brazilian number. And it's all mixed up. I keep my name off because that is the biggest problem and I learned that while photo is OK, I should not use a photo which exists on any other social media sites, so the photo should not be searchable to allow tracing to your real identity.

The reason I prefer photo is that it serves as a pre-selection. There is no doubt that just like I select girls that I like the girls have their range too, and I don't want to be with people who don't appreciate me. So I feel photo is useful. I wish there was a feature to control which photo to show to different contacts, as I would like to do reciprocity. Show real photo to people who have real photo, show no photo to people who show no photo, show avatar to people who show avatar, show random photo to people who have random photo.

I don't have to have secrets (anymore, right now anyway) which is really nice. So I am not blackmailable.

But I had a few incidents.

(1) The worst one was being threatened and extorted that someone would post my photo all over and accuse me as a child molester. What happened (and I reported here at the time) was that I got an unsolicited contact from what looked like a provider and then suddenly (s) he became pushy and then suddenly said I was being a waste of time and if I didn't want anything that I should go to hell and besides (s) he will post my picture everywhere and go to the police (actually, "the embassy" which was funny). Wanted me to beg and pay money. But I just pushed back. It got a little scary, because false accusations can hurt. I kept the communication channel open to see how (s) he gave up when I didn't budge. But I immediately checked my photo was searchable on the internet, associated with some blog or something. And I changed the photo at the sources and tried Google image to pull it. That wasn't very successful with Google image. So, this is something I keep remembering, to not use the same photo that is searchable. Fortunately public face recognition services don't exist (yet).

(2) Here is another one: specially Brazil related. Once I got into an argument with a girl from RJ who was being difficult to actually schedule. And then I said sorry I give up this ain't working anyway. And then she became enraged and I made the mistake to get myself suckered into an argument instead of just tuning out. Then she got so enraged that she threatened she would do some Voodo (macumba) stuff with me, which, of course not having anything else from me, would involve my photo. You guys might not believe in such "superstition" but I am long enough in Brazil that I take this issue with caution. In this case quickly blocking her would make sure that she could not pull my photo any more, with the chance being very low that she had captured it during the argument already.

So there we go as deep into WhatsApp photo as one can go. Haha. Man, I am so homesick, I am actually looking forward to having an argument with a girl in Brazil. Haha.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2767731](1) The worst one was being threatened and extorted that someone would post my photo all over and accuse me as a child molester.
(2) Then she got so enraged that she threatened she would do some Voodo (macumba) stuff with me, which, of course not having anything else from me, would involve my photo.[/QUOTE]Both things are dumb. You are just a random guy from the internet. These people know nothing about you, yet can strike fear into you like that? Taking your photo putting it somewhere and saying you molest people would have the same effect as taking any other person's random photo from the internet and saying they molest people. No name. No date. No city. No nothing except a photo. If this was really a thing then I am sure that our inboxes and facebooks would be full of random mfs pics with captions saying they molested somebody. But they are not! Because it is just all bullshit scammers make up to scare you. I guess it actually works on some people. Get some street smarts about yourself.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2767726]Hey guys I might fly into Gallegos this time around instead of GRU. Does anyone know if there's wifi in the Airport and where the simplest place is in Rio to get a SIM card? Last time I was in SP only Claro would sell to me without CPfuckingF. My language skills still arent good enough to feel confident without immediate internet access.

And does anyone recommend any new Termas?[/QUOTE]You can get SIM card in front of Uruguaiana station of Centro station from TIM girl like in the picture, Centro station probably is easier. Technically you can get SIM card anywhere in SP without any documents but you need document to register it. You can register TIM SIM by phone with only your passport. Just wait to the end and you will get an option for English language

Last time I was in Rio, I went to a new terma around the corner of 116, you won't miss it if you know where 116 is. But this is not a recommendation.

[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2767726]Hey guys I might fly into Gallegos this time around instead of GRU. Does anyone know if there's wifi in the Airport and where the simplest place is in Rio to get a SIM card? Last time I was in SP only Claro would sell to me without CPfuckingF. My language skills still arent good enough to feel confident without immediate internet access.

And does anyone recommend any new Termas?[/QUOTE]If you mean GIG airport, then yes there is wifi inside the airport. It will ask you to login with your Facebook or Twiiter account though. I bought a Claro SIM card from the store "Americanas Express". There are other places too. Once you install the SIM, you receive a message showing the phone number. Here is the interesting part. After purchasing the SIM, I went to the Claro store in Leblon Shopping Mall and asked to activate it. The store was very busy. The customer Rep. Wrote the phone on a sheet of paper and asked me to wait for few minutes. While waiting I saw him working on a computer and activated the SIM. He did not ask for ID, Passport or CPF. Whether this is a new policy or he was new and did not know enough, I do not know. He then asked me to go to a pharmacy which is across from the Claro Store to get an Internet package. I bought a 30 day, 12 GB data for 30 Real from the Raia Pharmacy. I also paid 10 Real for the SIM card. So for 40 Real and NO ID or CPF I got a local phone.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2767173]As you would expect, the competition for an available pussy will be immense. Still, plenty more pussies will descend on Rio for the sousagefest, so you'll still be able to get yours.
[/QUOTE]Huh? Why would I imagine that? I actually asked a GP what business was like during carnival. She said it was lousy during carnival, because too many girls are giving it away for free.

"plenty more pussies will descend on Rio for the sousagefest".

Really? Is that comment based on your experience, or is that just your speculation? From where will these pussies descend?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2766530]Have you been to Lima?[/QUOTE]Been to Lima twice. Certainly a good food scene, but IMO São Paulo is way better.

[QUOTE=Combo;2767923]Been to Lima twice. Certainly a good food scene, but IMO So Paulo is way better.[/QUOTE]I am not trying to debate which one is better as I like both. I think Lima has far better seafood dishes, like sashimi, ceviche, and also chicharron. Lima has far better Chinese style dishes. I think Lima also has better cafe. Nothing in Sao Paulo I have tried that comes close to places like El Pan de la Chola but Sao Paulo is very good still and it has far more good cafes than I know in Lima.

[QUOTE=Combo;2767923]Been to Lima twice. Certainly a good food scene, but IMO So Paulo is way better.[/QUOTE]Our taste in food differ. Now what about our taste in women:

1. Argentina.

2. Brazil.

3. Venezuela.

4. Colombia and Mexico tied.

[QUOTE=GValenz;2767352]Thinking about staying at the Pestana as well. Can you please tell me about the upstairs pool bar, are their girls from the outside that are allowed to come upstirs? Also what is the price for the Ocean view suite? Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]Are you asking if you bring a girl to the hotel can you take her to the pool yes? If you are asking if working girls are hanging out at the pool, I have not seen any. The price will depend on when you decide to book.

As far as just having girls come to the hotel to visit. No issues at all.

[QUOTE=GValenz;2767352]Thinking about staying at the Pestana as well. Can you please tell me about the upstairs pool bar, are their girls from the outside that are allowed to come upstirs? Also what is the price for the Ocean view suite? Thanks so much.[/QUOTE]I've stayed at this hotel a few times, on the weekends they have a DJ on the roof bar, I've met working girls there. On Sunday afternoon the rooftop bar attracts locals and I've seen working girls there and I've brought my own. As far as price for the ocean front suite it varies from season to season so check [URL]hotels.com[/URL] or Pestana website.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767918]Huh? Why would I imagine that? I actually asked a GP what business was like during carnival. She said it was lousy during carnival, because too many girls are giving it away for free.[/QUOTE]1. Because it's only logical.

2. It doesn't make any sense. Are you talking about GDPs or civilians? Why would GDPs give it for free during the Carnaval?

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767918]"plenty more pussies will descend on Rio for the sousagefest".

Really? Is that comment based on your experience, or is that just your speculation?[/QUOTE]Yes really. It's based on my experience from 2000's, I don't remember exactly. The way I do remember it, termas and bars were bursting at the seems with both men and women, FLs were asking ridiculous prices, but would go down a bit as the night progressed.

[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767918]From where will these pussies descend?[/QUOTE]Is this a real question? Brazil is a big country, you know.

Not sure what you're trying to say. If you want to counter my observations with your own experience -- just go ahead.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2768042]Our taste in food differ. Now what about our taste in women:

1. Argentina.

2. Brazil.

3. Venezuela.

4. Colombia and Mexico tied.[/QUOTE]Ha! Always a good debate. I'd put Argentina behind Brasil, Venezuela, and Colombia. Unless Argentina has improved in the 15 years since my last (and only) visit.

I can't recall sampling chicas on visits to Mexico.

You were lucky. Getting a prepaid sim card in Rio seems to be a real pain these days. I spent hours yesterday in Riosul buying a sim card and having it registered. I was sent from Claro to Vivo and from Vivo to Tim. Nobody was prepared to help although the stores were almost empty. The staff was just sitting there on their hands looking bored. With much asking around in my very limited Portuguese, I finally found a store where they sold sim cards of Tim. But they told me that I should register myself by calling a number. I did so, but the menu was all in Portuguese. No press X for English. I went back to the Tim store but there they refused to help me and were quite rude about it as well. Service levels really have declined in Rio since my last visit 6 years ago. Back then, it was no problem at all to get a registered sim card. Finally, the people at my Airbnb were able to help me with the Portuguese menu and I got registered.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2767912]If you mean GIG airport, then yes there is wifi inside the airport. It will ask you to login with your Facebook or Twiiter account though. I bought a Claro SIM card from the store "Americanas Express". There are other places too. Once you install the SIM, you receive a message showing the phone number. Here is the interesting part. After purchasing the SIM, I went to the Claro store in Leblon Shopping Mall and asked to activate it. The store was very busy. The customer Rep. Wrote the phone on a sheet of paper and asked me to wait for few minutes. While waiting I saw him working on a computer and activated the SIM. He did not ask for ID, Passport or CPF. Whether this is a new policy or he was new and did not know enough, I do not know. He then asked me to go to a pharmacy which is across from the Claro Store to get an Internet package. I bought a 30 day, 12 GB data for 30 Real from the Raia Pharmacy. I also paid 10 Real for the SIM card. So for 40 Real and NO ID or CPF I got a local phone.[/QUOTE]

My friend had an issue with a girl from DV on Saturday. He brought her back to his place and she changed all of the terms of the deal (! Hour instead of all night. Condom for the BJ, No pictures, etc) So he told her that she could leave and she demanded that he pay her anyway "For her time". He laughed in her face and told her to GTFO. She threatened to call the police and then he would have to pay 3 X what he owed her.

He said she left and made a phone call in front of the building. He went downstairs and lucky FR him, the building he was staying in had multiple entrances, so he just walked out the back door. He went to a different club, picked up another girl and took her to the panda hotel.

My questions for the board are, have you ever had to pay a girl for her time? I wonder what the police would have done when they arrived. Can they force a tourist to pay a working girl for her time? How in the hell would they calculate how much her time is worth?

Earlier today, I checked out some of the prives in Copacabana. I first went to Copa Massagem in the Rua Tonelero, only a few steps from the Siqueira Campos metro station. There were 5 girls available but I didn't like any of them. Prices quoted were are 100 Reais for 30 minutes and 150 Reais for 60 min.

Next stop was the well-known Eden Spa on the NS de Copacabana street. I had been there before, years ago. The house looked exactly the same as I remembered. There was a line-up of 11 or 12 girls, most of them doable. Prices quoted were 150 Reais for half an hour and 200 Reais for an hour. I decided to stay for one hour with Bella, a lovely triguena (or whatever the correct word is in Portuguese) with a nice smile. I had the feeling that I paid a gringo price, so please someone set me straight on this. I had a nice session with Bella but she insisted on doing CBJ only. So, I probably should have picked another girl. According to GPArena, the girls in this house do BBBJ, so I assumed that they would all do it. Lesson learned: never assume, better make certain.

Initially, I was planning to visit Copa Stetic Club as well but that will have to wait for another day.

[QUOTE=Bucanero;2769890]You were lucky. Getting a prepaid sim card in Rio seems to be a real pain these days. I spent hours yesterday in Riosul buying a sim card and having it registered. I was sent from Claro to Vivo and from Vivo to Tim. Nobody was prepared to help although the stores were almost empty. The staff was just sitting there on their hands looking bored. With much asking around in my very limited Portuguese, I finally found a store where they sold sim cards of Tim. But they told me that I should register myself by calling a number. I did so, but the menu was all in Portuguese. No press X for English. I went back to the Tim store but there they refused to help me and were quite rude about it as well. Service levels really have declined in Rio since my last visit 6 years ago. Back then, it was no problem at all to get a registered sim card. Finally, the people at my Airbnb were able to help me with the Portuguese menu and I got registered.[/QUOTE]If you don't care about the carrier, I suggest next time just head to the Claro in the small shopping center just two blocks behind the JW Marriot (Nossa Sra. De Copacabana, 664 - loja 12). No problems whatsoever. You don't have to travel that far to be redirected to 6 lojas and be treated with terrible customer service.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2769932]My questions for the board are, have you ever had to pay a girl for her time? I wonder what the police would have done when they arrived. Can they force a tourist to pay a working girl for her time? How in the hell would they calculate how much her time is worth?[/QUOTE]Dude the other day my boy just told me a crazy story of something that happened to him back in the day. Some guy in Copacabana with dreadlocks befriended him. The guy owed like $7000 or he would lose his place. The guy hooked my boy up with two chicks. The chicks somehow got the cops to do a swat raid on the apartment he was staying in. They held him at gunpoint and ransacked the place looking for money. That time his place just happened to have a safe that was in the floor and he had some dirty clothes on top of it, so they never saw it.

After not finding money, they kidnapped him and took him to the station and demanded money. It just so happened to be exactly 2 times the amount that the dreadlock guy needed not to lose his place. He put 2 and 2 together. For some reason they let him keep his phone (Blackberry at the time) when they put him in the cell. He called the dreadlock guy telling him about what happened and the guy said just pay the ransom, my boy never telling him there was anything to pay. My boy bargained with the cops and told them he would give them the only money he had in his bank account which was $300. (he keeps a normal account and a travel account.) They took him to the ATM to get the money and they let him go. He said he hightailed it out of Brazil. Could not get any money back from the apartment because the door was busted down and the place was a mess. He went back to Brazil like 2 months later. I said shit all this time I thought those chicks were just making empty threats.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2766629]Did a booking for Livia 11 am today as I wanted to be the first customer of the day. Asked if I need a passport to enter the building and they confirmed that ID is needed.

Took metro to Centro / Carioca and the Onix Terapias building is just next to the underground exit. You have to get a card to get on the elevator which requires registration with ID. They ask 2 questions: Which floor and which room? Then when I touch the card on the turnstyle I see my real name. How embarassing is that? They have a record of me visiting that particular apartment.

After ringing the door I was let in and asked to wait in a standard room, which was depressing. So I left the room and asked how much difference the VIP room would be as I saw on the web page that they have VIP rooms. Normal massage 1 HR in standard room are $R170 in VIP room are $R200. Of course I took the VIP room. They asked for are $R30 extra paying by credit card so I paid cash.

Livia is a really beautiful girl and apparently she commutes every day from Baja. The good news is that there is a direct line from Centro going there. Livia came across as a bit shy. She has one pierced nipple and pierced belly. She is all natural and has a beautiful bum. I'm into slim girls with nice faces and she was definitely my type. It was my first time with her and she did not do DFK more of the kissing on the lips. So it was not really passionate the way I wanted. Blowjob without condom and then covered sex in various positions. Her oral sex is not the best but she makes up for it with her personaility..[/QUOTE]Confused about how this place and similar ones work, they have different massages like sports for 130/ HR and Thai for 160 listed. Is the price quoted here in additional to the fee for the massage?

[QUOTE=BeenBob;2770031]If you don't care about the carrier, I suggest next time just head to the Claro in the small shopping center just two blocks behind the JW Marriot (Nossa Sra. De Copacabana, 664 - loja 12). No problems whatsoever. You don't have to travel that far to be redirected to 6 lojas and be treated with terrible customer service.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I'll try that shop next time. By the way, I did not have to travel far as I'm staying in Botafogo, just a few blocks away from Riosul.

[QUOTE=Bucanero;2769995] Prices quoted were 150 Reais for half an hour and 200 Reais for an hour. I decided to stay for one hour with Bella, a lovely triguena (or whatever the correct word is in Portuguese) with a nice smile. I had the feeling that I paid a gringo price, so please someone set me straight on this.[/QUOTE]Those are normal prices for Eden spa.

[QUOTE=BeenBob;2770031]If you don't care about the carrier, I suggest next time just head to the Claro in the small shopping center just two blocks behind the JW Marriot (Nossa Sra. De Copacabana, 664 - loja 12). No problems whatsoever. You don't have to travel that far to be redirected to 6 lojas and be treated with terrible customer service.[/QUOTE]Alternative near Ipanema is Leblon shopping. In this mall you have all operators who are used to activating SIMs. The SIMs need to be bought at a newsagent etc first.

Based in the heart of Copacabana Eden Spa is just walking distance to where I'm staying. No ID needed to enter the lift (or building). Went up to the 4th floor at around 11 am and enetered the spa where I was sat in a room that also had a drinks cooler with prices clearly marked. One by one 5 girls came to introduce themselves. I liked Any and asked her if she does DFK and CIM. She said yes to both so chose her for an hour for 200 real.

Any came into the room in underwear and we had a nice DFK foreplay after which she asked my to lay on the bed and there was a bit more foreplay before she went down to do some nice oral sex with eye contact. She was very good using the mirror to keep eye contact. Then sex in various positions and as she was a bit too passionate I could not hold back and came after 20 minutes. I then asked her if she likes anal and she said sometimes. I said next time we can try and she was like: It has only been 25 minutes, you will try today as we will have another session. Woow! It is very rare for me to get a hard on so quick after an orgasm but she managed to get him hard with her kisses and oral. When we were done with the hour my head was spinning. What a session and I remembered why Brazilian woman are the best in the world when it comes to sex. That was 200 real well spend! It also puts Brazil back on the top of mongering destinations for passionate sex.

[URL]https://www.edenspa.com.br/[/URL]

Second visit was on the 12th December Monday.

This time I was keen on trying Rubi and went up at 11 am. The reason for the early visit is that I want to be the first customer of the day. Paid 150 real for 30 minutes. Took a quick shower as it was an extremely hot day as Rubi prepared the room. Any (previous girl from previous visit) was good but Rubi is on another level. The DFK was true girl-friend experience. If you want a porn star experience she is not for you. We kissed sensual for 5 minutes. Then she gave me one of the best blow jobs I ever had. Sensual and to maximise stimulation using her tongue. Wooooooow! Rubi's secret is that she enjoys sex if you make an effort to turn her on. So I made an effort to stimulate her clit while having sex in several positions. She is not faking it as you do not hear her moaning. It's her contractions and other hints that give away that she is enjoying it. As we have many sceptics on the forum I will just say that the sex ended with her vagina having stong contrcactions and getting rather wet. I stayed inside her a bit until the contractions were over. Then asked her if she can finish me with CIM. Of course she said, taking the condom off and showing off her amazing oral technique. I came so hard that I nearly had a headache from all the brain synapses firing at the same time. It was an stimulation overload and a rather large orgasm as she noted.

I'm claiming that there is nowhere in the world where you can have sex with a beautiful and sensual and passionate girl like Rubi, who enjoys sex for the equivalent of 150 real.

No need to go to Centro with ID. No need to pay much more to places like Perola Negra where few girls want to stay till the end of the time and are passionate. I'm delaying my report on Perola Negra to give the place a second chance.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2770070]After not finding money, they kidnapped him and took him to the station and demanded money. It just so happened to be exactly 2 times the amount that the dreadlock guy needed not to lose his place. He put 2 and 2 together. For some reason they let him keep his phone (Blackberry at the time) when they put him in the cell. He called the dreadlock guy telling him about what happened and the guy said just pay the ransom, my boy never telling him there was anything to pay. My boy bargained with the cops and told them he would give them the only money he had in his bank account which was $300. (he keeps a normal account and a travel account.) They took him to the ATM to get the money and they let him go. He said he hightailed it out of Brazil. Could not get any money back from the apartment because the door was busted down and the place was a mess. He went back to Brazil like 2 months later. I said shit all this time I thought those chicks were just making empty threats.[/QUOTE]That's a CRAZY FUCKING story!

I can see the police officers bringing him to the car and asking for money but to actually take him to the station? There are captains, lieutenants and sergeants in the station, I wonder how they explained why he was there? Did they ever explain to your friend what they were raiding his apartment for? What were they looking for? I am glad everything worked out for him and I hope dreadlocks got his ass kicked by the police for wasting their time! (I think I stayed at that same apartment. Hidden safe that is under the floor.)

[QUOTE=Bravo;2770219]ThATS A CRAZY FUCKING STORY!

I can see the police officers bringing him to the car and asking for money but to actually take him to the station? There are captains, lieutenants and sergeants in the station, I wonder how they explained why he was there? Did they ever explain to your friend what they were raiding his apartment for? What were they looking for? I am glad everything worked out for him and I hope dreadlocks got his ass kicked by the police for wasting their time! (I think I stayed at that same apartment. Hidden safe that is under the floor.).[/QUOTE]They just kept asking him where is the money. And he kept saying what money? I guess if their half of the take was going to be $7000 there may not have been too many questions asked of why he was there.

[QUOTE=Jsk1989;2770078]Confused about how this place and similar ones work, they have different massages like sports for 130/ HR and Thai for 160 listed. Is the price quoted here in additional to the fee for the massage?[/QUOTE]The options are indeed confusing. The sexual 'massage' at Onix is 170 real for the hour. This is the usual all inclusive fee. There is a body massage option which is 30 real more (do not recommend this). VIP room is 30 real extra. In reality nearly none of these girls in any massage place I have been to so far do not know any massage. I actually teach them massage techniques when there is 5 minutes left. They really appreciate it. So do not take the massage options serious. They have no clue about Thai massage etc but they are great in passionate sex.

There is also option of two girls or 4 hands:

Half an hour for 260 real.

One hour for 320 real. Of course the 1 hour makes more sense for 60 real more.

[QUOTE=Bucanero;2769890]You were lucky. Getting a prepaid sim card in Rio seems to be a real pain these days. I spent hours yesterday in Riosul buying a sim card and having it registered. I was sent from Claro to Vivo and from Vivo to Tim. Nobody was prepared to help although the stores were almost empty. The staff was just sitting there on their hands looking bored. With much asking around in my very limited Portuguese, I finally found a store where they sold sim cards of Tim. But they told me that I should register myself by calling a number. I did so, but the menu was all in Portuguese. No press X for English. I went back to the Tim store but there they refused to help me and were quite rude about it as well. Service levels really have declined in Rio since my last visit 6 years ago. Back then, it was no problem at all to get a registered sim card. Finally, the people at my Airbnb were able to help me with the Portuguese menu and I got registered.[/QUOTE]Well here is an update to my previous post. After using the phone for about 11 days, it stopped working. It could not connect to the Internet. I went back to the same Claro store in Shopping Leblon. The customer Rep. Told me I need another recharge. I had used 1 GB of data out of the 12 GB. Next day I was at the Barra Shopping. There are two Claro stores there. The first one told me to go to the second one. The second one told me to call the customer service. At that point I decided to recharge the phone and see if that fixes it. I went to a pharmacy and bought a data package for 15 Real. Waited for 30 minutes, still not working. Went back to the same store. This time there was another customer Rep. He searched for my number in the computer and said you have to register you SIM with a document (Passport) and CPF number. I did not have those with me so next day took a Uber to Claro store in Copacabana. The store manager said this is a franchise and I can sell you a new SIM card with data for 130 Real but can't register your existing one. So I went back to Claro in shopping Leblon and with my CPF the cell phone was registered finally. Unfortunately that is the state of the customer service at these cell phone companies. Bottomline, before coming to Brazil, get your CPF and make sure to register it the first day.

I was at the Solarium on a Saturday late evening. The second floor where the bar is located was packed. Majority of the girls are between 6-8. The only girl that I was very interested in was busy so I had a drink and left. When you walk in, there are two girls at the reception desk that explain the pricing. The entrance fee is 150 Real which includes one free drink. If you select a girl that money goes toward the total cost. The charge for 40 minutes is 590 Real (cash) or 640 Real (credit card). That includes the basic room. Overall the place is nice. I did not feel the girls to be very aggressive. I may go there again during a weekday.

Yesterday, I went to check out a few prives on Treze de Maio, 33. Most of them are concentrated on the 21st floor, so I went there. Funny enough, the elevator does not reach that floor. You have to go to the 22nd floor and then take the stairs down to the 21st. I first went to 2102 but did not see anything I liked. From there I checked out nextdoor, 2103, which was slightly better but I wanted to see the selection in the other places as well: 2101,2106 and 2107. There may be more mini prives on that floor and on other floors. Prices were everywhere similar: about 150 Reais per hour and going as low as 40 Reais for a quick 15 minutes session. At 2107, a fully naked girl opened the door and she looked great. I was sold and went with her for a one-hour session. She agreed on everything: DFK, BBBJ and CIM. I understood Nicoly when I asked for her name: a small mulata with big T&A. The session was good but not outstanding. Great BBBJ with good eye contact. Afterwards, she used too much lube and I slipped out several times. Overall, she was nice enough but it was without the passion you often get from Brazilian girls. About the prive: not too clean. It reminded me of one of the trash places. There was a shower but it did not look clean and my towel did not come in a plastic bag. The bed was just a wooden board with minimal padding. I could hear perfectly well what was going on in the other rooms as the walls do not reach up to the ceiling. I saw several girls in there but I liked mine best. They were all walking around fully naked. Try it out if you are feeling adventurous.

Asked at 10:30 am using whatsapp what girls are in the line-up today. Rubi, Any (from my previous 2 visits), Angel, Luna, Mirela, Jady and Brenda.

Angel and Luna seemed to be new so was keen to see them. When I arrived at around 12 pm, I was told both of them are busy. I decided to come back at 1 pm, when both would be available, and not view the other girls.

When I came back at 1 pm I liked both Angel and Luna, but both said No to oral withhout condom. So I decided to see the rest of the line-up. Mirela a short and petite lady said Yes to oral without and french kissing. Another girl (I think Jady) was a bit hesitant about french kissing but said yes to oral without so I picked both for 30 minutes for 230 real. Although not asking for it, I got a free lesbian show with both girls kissing each other (when they came into the room) and of course I joined in. This would be extra in a lot of places. They even sucked each others pierced boobs. The hesitant girl about french kissing, did not french kiss and her oral technique was a bit strong. I liked Mirela's DFK and oral technique. At one point one was sucking me and the other licking my balls. That was fun to watch. Changed condoms after having sex in a few position with the hesitant girl (Jady?) while kissing Mirela. Then changing positions with Mirela (who seemed to enjoy the sex) while kissing the other girl. Mirela was getting in the mood and wanted me to go on. I asked to switch back to oral sex and the hesitant girl was telling me that it was taking me too long to come after 20 minutes into the session. She had made a comment before that I'm taking too long so I thanked her and asked her to leave the room as I do not like to be rushed. Carried on with Mirela who made me cum with her mouth. She had told me she does not like CIM so I pulled out just before I came. That was a 230 real well spend and I nearly used the full 30 minutes. Now I know that some girls at Eden Spa do not do oral without condom. It's always good to ask and not assume. Rubi is certainly the star of the place so far.

Who is interested in teaming up to visit a few termas? I find them a bit boring to visit on my own as the girls normally only speak Portuguese (and I don't). I'm in Rio until next Wednesday. Please send me a PM if you are interested.

Do you bring your own chair? I watched about 20 Rio beach videos. Never saw any vacant chair.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770738]Do you bring your own chair? I watched about 20 Rio beach videos. Never saw any vacant chair.[/QUOTE]You can if you want to however, most just pay a few $Reais for rental chair / umbrella to the beach vendors. Some days (usually weekends or holidays) the beaches can get packed to the point of no availability.

[QUOTE=DriftClouds;2770738]Do you bring your own chair? I watched about 20 Rio beach videos. Never saw any vacant chair.[/QUOTE]Never had an issue. There are always chairs and umbrellas available.

Yesterday afternoon, I had a disappointing experience at Massagem Tijuca. I arrived shortly after 3 pm. There was a lineup of 6 girls, most of which doable. None of the girls smiled or showed any eagerness to session with me. I picked Jessica as she was the best looking one but that was probably a mistake. In the room, she was very passive, I did not even get eye contact from her. Her whole attitude told me that she did not want to be there and wanted to get it over with as soon as possible. Ok, I guess I was not her type but in her profession she should be able to act as if, right? No kisses and she had a condom ready before I was hard, which was not helpful for any progress from my side. I considered walking out of there but I did not want to make a drama. So, I cut my losses and asked her to give me a massage with happy end. The massage was worthless but she at least knew how to give a happy end. That was 130 Reais not well spent. I've read some positive comments about massagem Tijuca so I suppose I just had bad luck with my choice.

I matched with a Carioca. She had a nice personality and good looking. She lives in 'Zona Norte' so I checked the [URL]guiademoteis.com.br[/URL] site and selected the Corinto Hotel that was close to her. The rate at Corinto Hotel for up to 12 hours is 109 BRL. The hotel / room was clean with good bed, A/C and shower. I spent about an hour with her. She is in her mid 30's and does not have another job right now. She wanted 400 BRL and that is what I gave her. Overall, it was a better value than spending the money in a Terma with a very small room for 40 minutes.

I also matched with another very attractive girl. We chatted for a day and then she asked for money to buy groceries without meeting first. So I ended the chat. Anyone asking for money first I think is a scam. Overall, I think Tinder is a good option to use in Rio. You just have to be wise and careful and not to rush bringing someone to your apartment.

[QUOTE=Bucanero;2770656]Who is interested in teaming up to visit a few termas? I find them a bit boring to visit on my own as the girls normally only speak Portuguese (and I don't). I'm in Rio until next Wednesday. Please send me a PM if you are interested.[/QUOTE]I like to see one or two other Termas. The better / cleaner ones. Will send you a PM.

Does anyone have a good recommendation for a barber who can cut beards and goatees? (Especially for black men). I have been here for almost 2 months and I can't find one decent barber to cut my goatee. I know that hear are relatively new to Brasil, so I can understand the lack of skill, but damn it's frustrating. I have been to 5 barbers since I arrived and each one fucked up my goatee!! What makes it worse is that I have a picture of my face after I saw my barber in the states as a reference for them to follow and they still couldn't cut correctly. I know when I get back to the states my barber is going to look at me like "WTF?

[QUOTE=Bravo;2770965]Does anyone have a good recommendation for a barber who can cut beards and goatees? (Especially for black men). I have been here for almost 2 months and I can't find one decent barber to cut my goatee. I know that hear are relatively new to brasil, so I can understand the lack of skill, but damn it's frustrating. I have been to 5 barbers since I arrived and each one fucked up my goatee!! What makes it worse is that I have a picture of my face after I saw my barber in the states as a reference for them to follow and they still couldn't cut correctly. I know when I get back to the states my barber is going to look at me like "WTF?[/QUOTE]I have used the ones near diagonally opposite to Bip Bip on Rua Almirante Goncalves a couple of times. They seemed old and experienced and gave a good cut but I thought they were a bit classist / racist. Every time I went they told me the price first and asked if it was ok. May be I got that wrong and they were being transparent. I am Asian BTW. I have not used them for anything beard-related though and it has been a while since I was in Rio.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2770965]Does anyone have a good recommendation for a barber who can cut beards and goatees? (Especially for black men). I have been here for almost 2 months and I can't find one decent barber to cut my goatee. I know that hear are relatively new to brasil, so I can understand the lack of skill, but damn it's frustrating. I have been to 5 barbers since I arrived and each one fucked up my goatee!! What makes it worse is that I have a picture of my face after I saw my barber in the states as a reference for them to follow and they still couldn't cut correctly. I know when I get back to the states my barber is going to look at me like "WTF?[/QUOTE]I know a barber shop in Saigon where you can get a good blow job. I'm not really sure about their trimming skills. LOL.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2770965]Does anyone have a good recommendation for a barber who can cut beards and goatees?[/QUOTE]I go to a Venezuelan dude Roberto at Shopping Cidade Copacabana BE #40 45 reais.

First day ever in Rio (and Brazil).

Red eye 1 am arrival, stayed at airport hotel, then swapped over to different Airbnb at decent normal hours.

Read reports and packed cash for possible spa / prive outing.

Met up with another ISGer. Swapped stories. Had itch for 4 x4 (or similar terma (s) so 4 x4 it was.

Payment is not collected at entry, given a wristband with barcode to ring up your drink / room tab. We both got a slight bit of sticker shock on current rates. Staff assured me they take cards if short on cash.

We sat down, both contemplated finishing drinks and switching to prive down street. But then the girls started chatting us up and yeah.

While my first seat mate was an absolute knockout, I wanted to see what other prospects were in the room.

Many of girls spoke decent English, I mixed some Spanish in to bridge.

Several of these girls were knockouts and at least 6 were totally compatible. They were dry humping, slow peck kissing, everything to get me worked up. And it was working.

However reading about reports of sex in prives / terapias for BR150, I was just not feeling the asking price of BR300/30 minutes or BR420/60 minutes. I was so torn to pull trigger but I just wasn't 100% prepared for that price point, but damn they put up a great performance. Maybe I'll make it my special night later this trip. Was also assured an hour session allows multiple pops, some girls even offered CIM.

Paid tab of 1 drink, 1 cover, about BR83 (barely $16), have to show payment receipt to be allowed to leave, the exit routes thru a hidden VIP lounge with additional girls in hopes of luring customers to stay a little longer.

Since we were in Centro, went to a nearby prive recently reported at Trece de Maio street 21st floor, but it was 7 pm when we got there, they closed already.

Next to ride to Eden Spa in Copacabana. Earlier that day on WhatsApp they named upwards 8 girls available. Also at this point of 7:30 pm realized I haven't eaten since breakfast so quick pause.

Got to Eden at 8 pm, they close at 10 pm only 3 girls still remain, quoted BR150/30 minutes BR200/60 minutes. Initially picked Angel, but (thankfully before handing payment to hostess) when I was told she doesn't do BBBJ, asked and other girl Tiffany did.

The BBBJ was nice but kissing was light pecks which really wasn't doing it for me, actual sex was only slight step above mechanical.

Pay extra BR50 to get full hour=still only get one relation / pop / pulvo. This wasn't the case in Mexico / Argentina / Colombia.

We chatted up stuff for last 30 minutes.

Thinking maybe the termas are more my jam, unless the prives come thru in the clutch. Or maybe I got a dud spa.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2770965]Does anyone have a good recommendation for a barber who can cut beards and goatees? (Especially for black men). I have been here for almost 2 months and I can't find one decent barber to cut my goatee. I know that hear are relatively new to brasil, so I can understand the lack of skill, but damn it's frustrating. I have been to 5 barbers since I arrived and each one fucked up my goatee!! What makes it worse is that I have a picture of my face after I saw my barber in the states as a reference for them to follow and they still couldn't cut correctly. I know when I get back to the states my barber is going to look at me like "WTF?[/QUOTE]I recommend the barbers at Edifício Central, downstairs. Old school and very skilled. I'm not sure about goate beards.

There is another place in one of the Leme comunidades. Three young guys that are very popular. They cut everything, even design art in the hair. Usually their locations is cool, but their barber shop is just in the no mans land between bandit area and police area.

Wondering what other active open termas besides 4 x4 are worth checking out. Running into outdated sources listing places no longer open.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2770965]Does anyone have a good recommendation for a barber who can cut beards and goatees? (Especially for black men). I have been here for almost 2 months and I can't find one decent barber to cut my goatee. I know that hear are relatively new to brasil, so I can understand the lack of skill, but damn it's frustrating. I have been to 5 barbers since I arrived and each one fucked up my goatee!! What makes it worse is that I have a picture of my face after I saw my barber in the states as a reference for them to follow and they still couldn't cut correctly. I know when I get back to the states my barber is going to look at me like "WTF?[/QUOTE]From one brotha to another, you're better off just trimming it yourself during your stay because it's difficult to find a good Brazilian barber unless you're Brazilian. I've actually been living in Rio since May 2021 and gave up a long time ago with trying to find a good barber. The problem is the Brazilians will both overcharge and purposely give you a subpar haircut simply because you're a foreigner. And if you're black, it might also be due to racism. As an example, I went to a barber in Copacabana in 2021. There was a Brazilian guy getting a haircut along with his beard trimmed and lined up in one chair alongside another Brazilian customer in a second chair. After about 20 minutes of waiting, I took the second chair and asked for a low taper, trim, and line-up. By that time, the dude in the first chair had already gotten his haircut and the barber was about halfway finished lining up his beard. Long story short, the barber cutting my hair rushed to finish in about five minutes and completely ignored what I asked for. He gave me a high-bald fade with a shitty line-up. The irony is the Brazilian dude getting his hair cut was still in the chair getting his beard lined-up and his haircut / line-up was the quality that I expected with my haircut. A few weeks later, I got my haircut at a different barbershop—far away from the tourist area. I. e. Copacabana—and the same thing happened again. There are good barbers here but it's difficult to find them and / or to getting good service if you're not Brazilian; and a lot of times the ones that know how to cut black hair are probably located in the favelas. And it's not worth the risk.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2771078]Wondering what other active open termas besides 4 x4 are worth checking out. Running into outdated sources listing places no longer open.[/QUOTE]The only other true terma I'd recommend is Solarium, but keep in mind it's pricier than 4 x4.

The appeal of termas to me is the sheer amount of adult entertainment you can get outside the room. To me the action in the room is just a cherry on top, not the cake. Some guys just spend a couple of hours, then get out and go to a prive, and that's fine, but let me put it this way. Alcohol costs less in a liquor store, but I still buy drinks at a bar or restaurant. Because I'd rather have a drink when and where I want.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2771078]Wondering what other active open termas besides 4 x4 are worth checking out. Running into outdated sources listing places no longer open.[/QUOTE]You can start with these since have been mentioned recently.

Solarium.

Perola Negra.

Monte Carlo.

Centaurus.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2771078]Wondering what other active open termas besides 4 x4 are worth checking out. Running into outdated sources listing places no longer open.[/QUOTE]I don't think there are any Termas worth checking out for you because 4 x4 is the cheapest one. Most of the others are more expensive. If you won't pay 4 x4 prices to fuck (in your own words) an absolute knockout then I think you will be disappointed with the pricing and selection at the other Termas.

Maybe try Vila Mimosa or hookup with Vagabundo and let him show you the cheaper places downtown.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2771158]I don't think there are any Termas worth checking out for you because 4 x4 is the cheapest one. Most of the others are more expensive. If you won't pay 4 x4 prices to fuck (in your own words) an absolute knockout then I think you will be disappointed with the pricing and selection at the other Termas.

Maybe try Vila Mimosa or hookup with Vagabundo and let him show you the cheaper places downtown.[/QUOTE]4 X4 is the cheapest of the tier-1 termas but there are are several tier-2 ones (and below). Of course, these places are not as nice as 4 X4 or Solarium but sometimes you can find real gems in these places. Just to mention a few in Centro:

Terma 21, Rua Buenos Aires 21 (near 4 X4).

Cancun, Rua do Carmo 64.

Club 502, Rua the Alfandaga 65.

Whiskeria 65, Rua do Rosario 65.

There are many more of these tier-2 termas spread out all over Rio.

[QUOTE=TheCritic;2771131]You can start with these since have been mentioned recently.

Solarium. Perola Negra. Monte Carlo. Centaurus.[/QUOTE]CenTexCrash, you certainly had an interesting 1st night on the town even though it did not go the way you originally envisioned it would. KKK. The Critic has listed the top 4 RJ Termas. Including 4 x4 that makes the top 5. I rate Solarium #1 for its girls. 4 x4 is #1 for its atmosphere and circus circus like entertainment qualities. Perola Negra is a late-night kind of place that does not really get going until after midnight. MC is a waste of time IMHO, and while Centauras might have some attractive girls, it is the most expensive of the top 5 termas.

But I am afraid I have to agree with Houston Player.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2771158]I don't think there are any Termas worth checking out for you because 4 x4 is the cheapest one. Most of the others are more expensive. If you won't pay 4 x4 prices to fuck (in your own words) an absolute knockout then I think you will be disappointed with the pricing and selection at the other Termas.

Maybe try Vila Mimosa or hookup with Vagabundo and let him show you the cheaper places downtown.[/QUOTE]If you, on your 1st night in town, could walk away from (your words) an "absolute knockout" over a 200 BR difference (420 br at 4 x4 vs. 200 br at some Prive) then the RJ Termas may not be your thing. But your big mistake was in timing. You went too late to a Prive. I think you will find that in Prive Land, the earlier the better is what you should shoot for and maybe check out VM later at night. Good Luck. I am sure you will eventually find what you are looking for.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2770924]I like to see one or two other Termas. The better / cleaner ones. Will send you a PM.[/QUOTE]If you want a club without the bathrobes let me know as we could go together on Saturday and get a bottle to share (400 real for the bottle with mixers I think and will confirm).

Perola Negra is in Barra. PM me if interested. I noted on my last visit that small groups who order a bottle get all the attention from the girls.

30 real entrance fee
Prices for 30 min are 270 real standard room
40 min 350 real in VIP room

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2771158]I don't think there are any Termas worth checking out for you because 4 x4 is the cheapest one. Most of the others are more expensive. If you won't pay 4 x4 prices to fuck (in your own words) an absolute knockout then I think you will be disappointed with the pricing and selection at the other Termas.[/QUOTE]That shit was hilarious. Usually a brand new guy that has made all the trouble to travel to Brazil will pull out all the stops. He chose to pay $37 at a place he seemed meh about even having to switch girls at the last minute, over $56 at a place he seemed really excited about that the chicks were ticking off all his boxes. Go figure.

If I am at the rental car place and they tell me $56 for my Ferrari dream car, I am not opting for a $37 Volkswagen instead. I am about to drive the fuck out of the Ferrari. And like the people said, they take credit cards. Even as cheap as I am, I am not about to pass up the moment I have been waiting for over $20. If I was hard up for money, I would use the card and worry about the payment later. That is the American way.

Just a quick reminder of the good times I used to have at 4 x 4.

Made a quick stop in Rio from SP and wanted to share my experiences.

4 x 4.

Went here on two days, both times the lineup was only okay but there were definitely a few lookers in the mix. Found a girl with a gorgeous face and solid body, and I tried to wave her over but she kept sitting with her friends. Waited about 10 minutes and went over and introduced myself directly, asked her to come sit with me, and shortly after we went up to the room. She was much much better in the room than downstairs, and the service was great. Anal was included for the standard fee.

I went back day two when she told me she'd be in, but the woman at the desk confirmed she hadn't yet arrived. It's definitely a lot quieter early, but after nearly giving up I saw a pretty girl wander into and out of the bar area. Woman at the desk told me to check another place and sure enough I found her. Very brief chat as I was pressed for time, and off we went. Service again was really solid, though she told me she doesn't do anal.

Solarium.

This place had a gorgeous lineup. No, its not Scandallo, but nowhere is. In 4 x4 I was interested in maybe 3/15 girls, here I would have considered 15/20. I met a girl who spoke great English, and talked a pretty good game. I'm always skeptical when a woman says all the right things, but boy did she deliver. In terms of raw physical passion, she easily took the #1 spot for this trip. I also sessioned with a second girl right before close. She was pretty and the service was fine, though I was pretty eager to get out of there so I wasn't looking for anything mind blowing (and after the first girl that would frankly have been impossible).

Eden Spa.

I wasn't sure I was in the right place at first, but the number on the building matched the address, and I remembered someone here saying 4th floor so I found it okay. They had around 10 girls, only one of which I'd consider, but one is all you need. She asked if she could do a CBJ, and while I felt like I could say no, I wasn't inclined to pick anyone else and for R150 I'm not expecting the world. Fairly mediocre but not terrible. I wouldn't go again, but I could see why someone might head there before a trip to 4 x 4 or Solarium.

I don't remember most of the prices at the termas, but when you get there they are very clearly spelled out, and in fact the front desk at Solarium would speak to me on the phone whenever I'd take a girl upstairs and confirm the new total of my bill. It all seemed very above board. The lockers seemed safe-ish, and I had no problems with them at both establishments. I changed into the robe and preferred it, but I did see people in street clothes in 4 x4 for sure. I personally wouldn't recommend it. You don't need cash, and the robe has a pocket for your phone if needed (I brought mine to translate).

[QUOTE=Bucanero;2771186]4 X4 is the cheapest of the tier-1 termas but there are are several tier-2 ones (and below). Of course, these places are not as nice as 4 X4 or Solarium but sometimes you can find real gems in these places. Just to mention a few in Centro:

Terma 21, Rua Buenos Aires 21 (near 4 X4).

Cancun, Rua do Carmo 64.

Club 502, Rua the Alfandaga 65.

Whiskeria 65, Rua do Rosario 65.

There are many more of these tier-2 termas spread out all over Rio.[/QUOTE]Right, but none of them is a real terma. Boates, not termas.

BTW, Cancun has been renamed into New York, I believe.

Look I don't care that Gparena lists them as termas. To me it's not a terma if you don't change into a robe and have access to a sauna, showers; where you can relax and take your sweet time. 65 does have lockers, but most people go in street clothes, and I don't like to be the only disrobed dude in a joint.

Although, there is nothing wrong about these fine establishments.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2771205]That shit was hilarious. Usually a brand new guy that has made all the trouble to travel to Brazil will pull out all the stops. He chose to pay $37 at a place he seemed meh about even having to switch girls at the last minute, over $56 at a place he seemed really excited about that the chicks were ticking off all his boxes. Go figure.
[/QUOTE]LOL, I try not to be judgmental as everyone has to find a balance between his lust and his budget, but I can't say I disagree.

[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2771246]Made a quick stop in Rio from SP and wanted to share my experiences.

Eden Spa.

I wasn't sure I was in the right place at first, but the number on the building matched the address, and I remembered someone here saying 4th floor so I found it okay. They had around 10 girls, only one of which I'd consider, but one is all you need. She asked if she could do a CBJ, and while I felt like I could say no, I wasn't inclined to pick anyone else and for R150 I'm not expecting the world. Fairly mediocre but not terrible. I wouldn't go again, but I could see why someone might head there before a trip to 4 x 4 or Solarium.
[/QUOTE]Carla. If she's still there, make sure she's available or better yet make an appointment.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2770915]I matched with a Carioca. She had a nice personality and good looking. She lives in 'Zona Norte' so I checked the [URL]guiademoteis.com.br[/URL] site and selected the Corinto Hotel that was close to her. The rate at Corinto Hotel for up to 12 hours is 109 BRL. The hotel / room was clean with good bed, A/C and shower. I spent about an hour with her. She is in her mid 30's and does not have another job right now. She wanted 400 BRL and that is what I gave her. Overall, it was a better value than spending the money in a Terma with a very small room for 40 minutes.

I also matched with another very attractive girl. We chatted for a day and then she asked for money to buy groceries without meeting first. So I ended the chat. Anyone asking for money first I think is a scam. Overall, I think Tinder is a good option to use in Rio. You just have to be wise and careful and not to rush bringing someone to your apartment.[/QUOTE]I've connected with several women on Tinder but have a very low hit rate of English speakers. Am I wasting my time there since I can't speak Portuguese?

(long time view, first time poster. Thank you all for the valuable info!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2771326]Right, but none of them is a real terma. Boates, not termas.

BTW, Cancun has been renamed into New York, I believe.

Look I don't care that Gparena lists them as termas. To me it's not a terma if you don't change into a robe and have access to a sauna, showers; where you can relax and take your sweet time. 65 does have lockers, but most people go in street clothes, and I don't like to be the only disrobed dude in a joint.

Although, there is nothing wrong about these fine establishments.[/QUOTE]Right, boates it is. Which should then also include Perola Negra in Barra. By the way, when I visited 4 X4, yesterday I was surprised when being told at the counter that I could enter in street clothes if I liked. It was good to see that the great majority of guests still changed into a robe but it may be a sign of the times. Are the "real" termas disappearing in Rio?

[QUOTE=Smiller1231;2771335]I've connected with several women on Tinder but have a very low hit rate of English speakers. Am I wasting my time there since I can't speak Portuguese?

(long time view, first time poster. Thank you all for the valuable info![/QUOTE]That has been my experience as well. I know Spanish at a decent level so I use that plus the Google Translate to be able to communicate.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2771124]The only other true terma I'd recommend is Solarium, but keep in mind it's pricier than 4 x4.

The appeal of termas to me is the sheer amount of adult entertainment you can get outside the room. To me the action in the room is just a cherry on top, not the cake. Some guys just spend a couple of hours, then get out and go to a prive, and that's fine, but let me put it this way. Alcohol costs less in a liquor store, but I still buy drinks at a bar or restaurant. Because I'd rather have a drink when and where I want.[/QUOTE]Agreed. That's what makes termas great. You can hang around an hour or two making out with chicks, groping them, and having them grab your dick. Go to the cabin for a session, shower, relax in the sauna, and then start all over again. Termas and FKKs are two of the great inventions of mankind.

The week in beisball.

A.

Last Saturday, Vagabundo lead Jimmy Boy and another buddy on a centro prive attack, in which Jimmy Boy played his dago wop boticelli trash romantic music and finally fucked nani at emporio do banho, 90 r for half hour.

Then we had whiskeys at cais do oriente, and saw the art exhibits at praca xv.

Then we went to vm. Man some hot negra talent there.

Then we walked out and chedked out quintal motel near sao cristavao metro, 50 reais, half hour, closest motel to vm.

Then we took the metro to jimmy boy's love pad at alvarim 37, recharged cells, and then crawled through lapa, up house, stripper club, new club. Best club was ganja coffee shop! The hot server girl there sara serves up her holes to pretos in suruba de preto night at my swing club. I usually have monique take her out on a leash with a jeweeld butt plug up her blond ass, but that is a inside baseball brazilian thing. Her boyfriend sells her cheap to ganja lovers.

He is sick of her too.

Then we went to perola negra, where vagabundo smoked ganja with super hot 18 year old vascaina new stripper girls at perola, and did DFK beijos with them.

There are super hot bitches all over this fucking city, so come and fuck some of them.

First visit with a friend and we were both told that entrance is 30 reals with payment for drinks and entrance fee at exit. We first did a tour of the room where the girls sit around in very low light conditions and then went to the bar and grabbed some drinks after looking at the prices. Corona 26 reals and Caipivodka 40 reals. The nice bars in Barra charge around 30 reals for a caipivodka.

I liked a slim girl and went to talk to her and asked her to sit with us. She introduced her friend to us and so we both had a girl to chat. There was not much chemistry and appartenyly she did not like CIM and wanted an expensive drink so I excused myself. Went to the bathroom and when I came back both were gone. There was another slim girl and this time I invited her for a chat. This fake blonde with long hair (Maria?) said she is ok with DFK and CIM if we book 40 minutes with the nicer room for 350 real. My friend was approached by an English speaking lady (Lorena) who told him the same story. Here are the two mistakes we made: 1 - We trusted the girls and did not try DFK in the room 2- We accepted the 40 minutes and nice room for 350 too soon without having fun with the girls in the room.

Unfotunately in the room both of them did not do DFK. I actually thought of the FKK rule of immediately leaving the room but then relaised that all my stuff was not in a locker but hanging in the room. I suddenly understoof the benefit of locking your valuables up in a Therma or FKK. My girl could only do oral sex for 30 seconds after which she was starting to use her hand. We had poor sex in a few positions and went back to oral. CIM was impossible as she was constantly pulling back so I could not come when the 40 minutes were up. She insisted that I tale her number which I refused as she did not DFK as she promised and her oral technique was poor.

I was in the holiday mood and did not want to complain so sat down in the room with my friend after the time was up. However Lorena (the girl my friend went to the room with) came to talk to my friend and gave him the thumbs up for taking her number. She gave me the thumbs down and said a few nasty things as I apparently offended my girl by not taking her number. That crossed the line so I went to the reception and asked for the manager. I explained that the promise about DFK was not kept and how I was snitched and then offended in the room by Lorena. The manager apologised for Maria and told me that she will have a word with her. She asked me to point out Lorena which I did and then a bit later Lorena was called out by the manager for a converstation. She was back 30 minutes later. These kind of dishonest and rude girls would never be allowed to work in a proper FKK (there are not many of those left post-pandemic).

Back in the room there were some new girls. One with innocent looks who I felt would be more honest. Went next to her and after introductions and short small talk went to the point: Do you for DFK? Yes. Do you do CIM? Yes. Should we go to the room for 30 minutes? Yes. That was short and sweet. Paid 250 real instead of the expected 270 and the room was of much much smaller than the 40 minutes room. At Centaurus they would have given me an upgrade due to the issues with the 2 girls. This girl (Flor) kept her promises and it was a great session. I came in her mouth and while I was waiting for her to spit in the shower she actually swallowed. Wooow! Happy ending. Bar tab was 2 beers and a water coming to 92 real with the entrance fee.

Lot of good looking girls so may be back. A word of warning: trans-girls work there. These are guys who had an operation and now have female genital including fake boobs. I'm posting this report late so that there is no bad blood with those 2 girls mentioned by name when I go there next time.

One massive advantage of Perola Negra is that they do not charge extra for credit card or foreign card payments.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2771194]If you want a club without the bathrobes let me know as we could go together on Saturday and get a bottle to share (400 real for the bottle with mixers I think and will confirm).

Perola Negra is in Barra. PM me if interested. I noted on my last visit that small groups who order a bottle get all the attention from the girls.
[/QUOTE]After posting the review I realised that the only reason I like Perola Negra is the low cost of entry compared to a nice Therma. I certainly had more fun at Centaurus and other thermas in the past.

I know Perola Negra (which opens at 8 pm) is not a therma but an anomaly for Rio. A club full of working girls but which also has different room types. It's a great idea if you ask me but poorly managed. Perola Negra has IG posts about promotions so I wrote them on IG. They get back to me 3 days later on IG telling me to use whatsapp. I write them on whatsapp, nobody responds. I think management needs to step up on all fronts.

Called and asked the line-up and saw that Laticia was there. Walked to the building and up the elevator to the 4th floor. Laticia was introduced first and she was my type: Tall and slim with a nice smile. I told Laticia that I do not need to see any other girl. She told me she does not do CIM but said ok to DFK. Paid 150 real for 30 minutes and was asked to wait in the room. Laticia walked in at 2. 30 pm and called the madam to check-in the start time. Then Laticia immediately grabbed my dick and started rubbing it with her hand while I wanted a bit of forepaly. She was in rush mood while I was in let's take it slow I'm on holiday and relaxed mood. After a bit of kissing she gave a poor blowjob and asked if she can put the condom on. I told her that I was not ready and that I need a bit more of her attention. After another 2 minutes I put the condom on started with doggy, then missionary, then she on top facing me and facing away. Back to missionary and Laticia was acting like a porn-star with loud moaning. This was a bit distracting for me so could not cum. Asked to switch back to oral taking the condom off. She did a few minutes of oral and as we hit the 18 minutes mark (clock on wall), she stopped and said that I should wank and cum on her body. She told me that I'm taking too long and that time is nearly up. I told her to chill and lie down so I can give her a massage. At around 20 minute into the session the phone rings and even Laticia know the time is not up yet so she goes and talks to the madam and comes back. I giver her a 3 minute massage and she says to me get the condom on and fuck her but that I'm not getting any more oral. So I ask for a towel and shower and left without cuming. It's not a huge loss as it was only 150 real. Was really excited about Laticia's looks but sadly she has a poor oral technique and rushes far too much. Rubi is on holiday otherwise I would have done a follow on session with her.

Hello everyone,

I will be making my 1st visit to Rio next week. I'the like to cut straight to the chase. Where do I go to pick up girls? Nightclubs or off the streets? I've been to many other countries so I know how to handle the game just need to know where to go. Thank you.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2771571]Was really excited about Laticia's looks but sadly she has a poor oral technique and rushes far too much.[/QUOTE]A lot of lazy ass girls in these Rio prives. And they come back and charge clients 150 for a poor passionless rushed service. Such a turn off when these lazy ass girls give you a minute of lackluster BJ and be reaching for the condom. I always tell them what's the rush, we have an hour. And they play it off and tell me oh I'm just getting it ready. Most girls will then get the hint that they need to take things slow with me. But with a girl like Leticia, one should just terminated the session early and walk out. Need to let her know that type of behavior and service will not be tolerated. If she doesn't want to do her job there are plenty of other equally as beautiful girls who will. And in the end she will be the one who suffers.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2771205]That shit was hilarious. Usually a brand new guy that has made all the trouble to travel to Brazil will pull out all the stops. He chose to pay $37 at a place he seemed meh about even having to switch girls at the last minute, over $56 at a place he seemed really excited about that the chicks were ticking off all his boxes. Go figure.

If I am at the rental car place and they tell me $56 for my Ferrari dream car, I am not opting for a $37 Volkswagen instead. I am about to drive the fuck out of the Ferrari. And like the people said, they take credit cards. Even as cheap as I am, I am not about to pass up the moment I have been waiting for over $20. If I was hard up for money, I would use the card and worry about the payment later. That is the American way.

Just a quick reminder of the good times I used to have at 4 x 4.[/QUOTE]They are beautiful. You have more photos showing there 2 of their full bodies?

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2771502][b] Perola Negra field report Saturday 3rd of December[/b]. First visit with a friend and we were both told that entrance is 30 reals with payment for drinks and entrance fee at exit. ... Wooow! Happy ending. Bar tab was 2 beers and a water coming to 92 real with the entrance fee.

One massive advantage of Perola Negra is that they do not charge extra for credit card or foreign card payments. [/QUOTE] Thanks for the update on Perola Negra.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2771502] ... Lot of [b]good looking girls[/b] so may be back. A word of warning: [b]trans-girls work there. [/b]These are guys who had an operation and now have female genital including fake boobs. ... [/QUOTE] Strange mix of [i] "working girls"[/i] at what I assumed to be a gentleman's boate/club? Anyways, that's a good [b]"heads-up"[/b] (pun intended...kkkk) and very good to know before heading out there in Barra.

I have traveled with a wingman to the Dominican Republic for the last six or seven years. Beaches are great. Sosua went bad several years ago, so we have frequented Blackbeards in Puerto Plata. Quite frankly, it's dead, and many of the restaurants in Costambar closed, making it worse.

The wingman is always looking for anal girls, and some members here mentioned the love of anal in Brazil in the threads. It appears as if Copacabana is the place to go if you love the beach and members discussed Mab's as a pick-up site near / on the beach. There is limited discussion on girl-friendly hotels and it seems as though the Promenade Princess Copacabana isn't taking reservations for some reason. That's unfortunate since their rooms have kitchens and a sitting area. Their website is down. We are considering the Praia Lido or Hotel Atlantico as possibilities but would much rather have an apartment. Not many folks mention AirBNB establishments that are girl-friendly. Do any of you vets have any recommendations for girl-friendly AirBNB establishments? Is there a way to read the advertisements to determine if they are girl-friendly? Some secret code of sorts?

Are most of the girls / freelancers you find on the beach back-door friendly girls?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2771788]I have traveled with a wingman to the Dominican Republic for the last six or seven years. Beaches are great. Sosua went bad several years ago, so we have frequented Blackbeards in Puerto Plata. Quite frankly, it's dead, and many of the restaurants in Costambar closed, making it worse.

The wingman is always looking for anal girls, and some members here mentioned the love of anal in Brazil in the threads. It appears as if Copacabana is the place to go if you love the beach and members discussed Mab's as a pick-up site near / on the beach. There is limited discussion on girl-friendly hotels and it seems as though the Promenade Princess Copacabana isn't taking reservations for some reason. That's unfortunate since their rooms have kitchens and a sitting area. Their website is down. We are considering the Praia Lido or Hotel Atlantico as possibilities but would much rather have an apartment. Not many folks mention AirBNB establishments that are girl-friendly. Do any of you vets have any recommendations for girl-friendly AirBNB establishments? Is there a way to read the advertisements to determine if they are girl-friendly? Some secret code of sorts?

Are most of the girls / freelancers you find on the beach back-door friendly girls?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are a few mentions in the Rio Hotels & Apartments thread (Pestana being mentioned recently). When I started going to Rio, I had used Amerioca and had no problems but Don had closed shop more than a decade ago. I am going after almost a decage to monger and I am trying find these guest friendly ones myself.

As for girls, I generally went to termas / prives and do the interview as suggested to filter for anal if I was feeling like it and then have a great time usually. You can try at the beach / Mab's etc but the few times I have tried it, I didn't get the backdoor option. But if you go to termas and get the numbers of the girls you are in-sync with, that should keep you entertained on weekends and nights as well.

Good luck!

Thank you. I went back a year reading posts in the general forum not realizing the issue had its own thread. After reading the Hotels and Apartments thread it looks as though hotels might present the best option. In the Hotels and Apartments thread, members stated the Promenade Princess Hotel now functions as apartments, not a hotel. That information helped a lot. I will be selecting a girl-friendly hotel in Copacabana. We enjoy the beach so Copacabana is high on the list.

Thanks for the tips on the girls and the termas. I have read the term "prives" but am uncertain what it means. The translator says it means "deprives. " We are reviewing some of the websites as well. One of them is [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com[/URL], another is [URL]www.leblonescorts.com[/URL] The first shows some profiles have verified photos. The other looks like a small site where girls pay to advertise. From what members write, anal shouldn't be a rare event in Rio.

Lots of time between now and March. Thanks for the help.

[QUOTE=ErectusIndicus;2771796]There are a few mentions in the Rio Hotels & Apartments thread (Pestana being mentioned recently). When I started going to Rio, I had used Amerioca and had no problems but Don had closed shop more than a decade ago. I am going after almost a decage to monger and I am trying find these guest friendly ones myself.

As for girls, I generally went to termas / prives and do the interview as suggested to filter for anal if I was feeling like it and then have a great time usually. You can try at the beach / Mab's etc but the few times I have tried it, I didn't get the backdoor option. But if you go to termas and get the numbers of the girls you are in-sync with, that should keep you entertained on weekends and nights as well.

Good luck![/QUOTE]

This club is in Realengo and far from Copacabana. It took 45 minutes and 70 BRL to get to the club by Uber. The club has four pool tables. All male clients are from working class. This is not another Termas Solarium. Most girls are in bikini. I rate the girls between 3 -7. They are mostly dark or darker skin. If you like dark skin, I think you will find someone that you like. The club has rooms upstairs. The charge for the girl and the room are 85 BRL /30 minutes and 145 BRL /1 h. The room for one hour has a shower. I think the other one does not. The room was clean with good A/C and shower. Since it was a long drive I decided to have a session anyway. So started talking to a girl who was playing pool. She was nice and friendly. When we went to the room she took a shower and asked me to take a shower too. Session was good including BBBJ without asking. Upon leaving the club you need to go to the cashier to pay for your drinks and the entrance fee. I paid 35 BRL for two beers and the entrance fee. Would I go there again? If it was close to 'zona sul', yes, but with a round trip of 1. 5 hours and 140 BRL Uber cost, probably not.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2771571][b]She told me that I'm taking too long[/b] and that time is nearly up. I told her to chill and lie down so I can give her a massage. At around 20 minute into the session the phone rings and even Laticia know the time is not up yet so she goes and talks to the madam and comes back. I giver her a 3 minute massage and she says to me get the condom on and fuck her but that I'm not getting any more oral. So I ask for a towel and shower and left without cuming. It's not a huge loss as it was only 150 real. Was really excited about Laticia's looks but sadly she has a poor oral technique and rushes far too much.[/QUOTE]NEVER has anything like that happened to me in Brazil. In other countries. Yes, but not Brazil.

That's not to say I've never had a "Rio tourist fuck" but rushing a session is a huge infraction in my book that I would report to the mamasan.

That said I rarely take less than at least 40-minute sessions because a) I know I might not be able to cum fast and b) I don't like to rush or feel rushed.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2771788]I have traveled with a wingman to the Dominican Republic for the last six or seven years. Beaches are great. Sosua went bad several years ago, so we have frequented Blackbeards in Puerto Plata. Quite frankly, it's dead, and many of the restaurants in Costambar closed, making it worse.

The wingman is always looking for anal girls, and some members here mentioned the love of anal in Brazil in the threads. It appears as if Copacabana is the place to go if you love the beach and members discussed Mab's as a pick-up site near / on the beach. There is limited discussion on girl-friendly hotels and it seems as though the Promenade Princess Copacabana isn't taking reservations for some reason. That's unfortunate since their rooms have kitchens and a sitting area. Their website is down. We are considering the Praia Lido or Hotel Atlantico as possibilities but would much rather have an apartment. Not many folks mention AirBNB establishments that are girl-friendly. Do any of you vets have any recommendations for girl-friendly AirBNB establishments? Is there a way to read the advertisements to determine if they are girl-friendly? Some secret code of sorts?

Are most of the girls / freelancers you find on the beach back-door friendly girls?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]As someone who's quite familiar with Sosua (love the beach) I can tell you one thing: Rio will blow you away. Here are a few thoughts.

1. Rio beaches aren't as cozy as the Sosua beach. They're open ocean, the sea is usually rough, and swimming is difficult. Still, the beach is gorgeous and busy.

2. Hotels. I like to stay on Avenida Atlantica, which is a Malecon in Rio. Depending on your budget you'll find cheaper places one or 2 blocks away, but nothing beats crossing the street and finding yourself on the beach. Both Hilton and JW Marriott are girl-friendly, but you'll need to check your guest at Hilton. There are more GF hotels on Atlantica, but I love Hilton for ocean-view rooms and two nice pool decks.

3. Apartments. Much cheaper than hotels, and you can find an Airbnb with a gorgeous view, but many restrict any guests who are not on your check-in list. Make sure to read the listing carefully, but I've stayed at some great apartments in Rio. Read the descriptions and the rules at the bottom of the page. When in doubt contact and ask the host.

4. Girls. I recommend to start with two termas: 4 x4 and Solarium. They are pricy for Rio, but very enjoyable. Then ease into boates (clubs) and prives ("small hoarhouses). When you feel lazy, there are tons of escort sites, too. It's possible to pick up girls on the beach, but most are not working girls, so don't be too enthusiastic, LOL. If she smiles at you it might be a sign to approach.

5. To find an anal-friendly provider ask if she's "completa".

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2772036]NEVER has anything like that happened to me in Brazil. In other countries. Yes, but not Brazil.

That's not to say I've never had a "Rio tourist fuck" but rushing a session is a huge infraction in my book that I would report to the mamasan.

That said I rarely take less than at least 40-minute sessions because a) I know I might not be able to cum fast and b) I don't like to rush or feel rushed.[/QUOTE]I think this has nothing to do with how long you book the session. Some girls just should not work in this business as they are burned out and do not want to give a proper blow-job and just want the guy to come in 10 minutes. I kind of have empathy for the girls as on busy days they may have to fuck different guys and at one point they start hating all guys and just do this job for money while being disgusted by it. It's bad luck if you encounter one of these girls. Brazil does not imply that all girls who earn peanuts at the massage places love having sex. Out of the 150 real they may only get 80 real for the half hour.

It's arguably better to book a short time at a massage if you did not establish compatibility like you can in a Therma or FKK. I had two girls trying to rush me at Eden Spa out of five. The other 3 were great. In Perola Negra I had one poor performer out of 3 girls I had in 2 visits. The last one (Analu, report pending) was the best. In Perola Negra girls get 100 or 150 from the 250 real for 30 minutes.

The mamsan understood that Laticia did a poor job as I told her I will go downstairs to look at the selection there. Laticia also got the message from me. On my next visit to Rio I may not be so kind for session infractions but I let is slide on this visit due to the 150 real rate.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2772227]I think this has nothing to do with how long you book the session. Some girls just should not work in this business as they are burned out and do not want to give a proper blow-job and just want the guy to come in 10 minutes. I kind of have empathy for the girls as on busy days they may have to fuck different guys and at one point they start hating all guys and just do this job for money while being disgusted by it. It's bad luck if you encounter one of these girls. Brazil does not imply that all girls who earn peanuts at the massage places love having sex. Out of the 150 real they may only get 80 real for the half hour.

It's arguably better to book a short time at a massage if you did not establish compatibility like you can in a Therma or FKK. I had two girls trying to rush me at Eden Spa out of five. The other 3 were great. In Perola Negra I had one poor performer out of 3 girls I had in 2 visits. The last one (Analu, report pending) was the best. In Perola Negra girls get 100 or 150 from the 250 real for 30 minutes.

The mamsan understood that Laticia did a poor job as I told her I will go downstairs to look at the selection there. Laticia also got the message from me. On my next visit to Rio I may not be so kind for session infractions but I let is slide on this visit due to the 150 real rate.[/QUOTE]Different strokes for different folks. I prefer booking a longer session for my own reasons, you don't, and there are no rights or wrongs here. That said, when you book 30 minutes and after 15-20 minutes into the program still can't bust a nut, less experienced girls might start getting anxious. When I feel I might not be able to cum, I smile and tell her it's OK if I don't, I'm just enjoying her company. That normally puts them at ease and some even redouble their effort.

As for your feelings, I'm looking at it from a different angle. I'm a nice, clean and respectful person, so as long as [B]she has chosen this life[/B], I'm not the worst thing that can happen to her.

I'm not a god's gift to women, but this is exactly why I bring cash, LOL.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2772264]...As for your feelings, I'm looking at it from a different angle. I'm a nice, clean and respectful person, so as long as [B]she has chosen this life[/B], I'm not the worst thing that can happen to her.....[/QUOTE]She has choosen this life. That is not the problem. The problem is that she did not know the consequence. That is one reason there are girls that go from very good service to become dead fish. It was because they provided great service, so mongers booked them, sometimes too many, too soon, some survived fine and some broken down or "crashed" mentally.

Tagged along with a (different) ISG contributor for Saturday night at Perola Negra.

I guess it was an OK turn out. Unlike 4 x4 and Club 65, rate cards weren't posted.

I wanted to do my window shopping before narrowing down finalists. Treating this as my possibly last shot to have a great session with a Brazilian model babe.

So just as luck would have it, barely 2 minutes into our entry an available WG from across room ambushes me, rubs on me, DFK in club floor.

For a second I thought she might have been one of the girls the other night at 4 x4 but no just a doppleganger, this girl had ink.

The DFK and hand action was fun, her measurements were on par, but I got a little distracted by the high mileage milfy past her sell by date status quo.

I have a tendency in other scenes to never pull the trigger on the first offer, and to browse around, when possible, before narrowing down finalists.

This lady would NOT break away from me. I was trying to politely ask if she could let me be me for a second and if I want to come back to her I'll come back to her. No. She insisted tag she's it. I haven't seen any other girls yet. She won't take the hint.

By this point, my ISG seat mate screened two girls before making his pick so he's gone.

Meanwhile I'm trying to find a chance to at least get a chance to explore the club floor. No go. Starting to get antsy. She seemed nice, performance seemed promising, but alas I came looking for a jovencita not a madura.

It was starting to get late and didn't want others waiting, and she did offer CIM and Backdoor so I regrettably took a chance.

So ordering room, initially they said 600/ HR which I said NO. Then they offered 460/ HR. I said sure I guess. I don't know if they're open to haggling with no posted rate card or if they were giving me a smaller room.

Any other ISGer probably would've knocked this one out of park, with BBBJ and a-game on the menu. Me? I'm just kinda here simply because I (over) paid for it.

I was robbed of a chance to see all available talent. Not just pounce on first offer. Trip to Rio ruined.

In all fairness she did take anal like a champ.

Also upon leaving, unlike other clubs, entry / drinks are NOT rolled in to hourly room charge.

If I ever venture into Brazil again, would like to find termas ok with serial browsing, casting wider net, where lady sits for 5 minutes after that move along let the next girl shoot her shot idk.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2771502] First visit with a friend ....and A word of warning[/QUOTE] Good report and thanks for the warning.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2771984] This club is in Realengo and far from Copacabana. [/QUOTE] Thanks for going out of your way to experience and report on [b]Club Das Flores[/b]. It's always good to hear about new mongering venues no matter the location. With this club being so far out I doubt I will visit, but I like knowing it exists.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2772329]Tagged along with a (different) ISG contributor for Saturday night at Perola Negra.

I wanted to do my window shopping before narrowing down finalists. Treating this as my possibly last shot to have a great session with a Brazilian model babe.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo maybe the place for models but I think those with amazing looks sometimes do not provide the best service.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2772329]
So just as luck would have it, barely 2 minutes into our entry an available WG from across room ambushes me, rubs on me, DFK in club floor.

For a second I thought she might have been one of the girls the other night at 4 x4 but no just a doppleganger, this girl had ink.

The DFK and hand action was fun, her measurements were on par, but I got a little distracted by the high mileage milfy past her sell by date status quo.

I have a tendency in other scenes to never pull the trigger on the first offer, and to browse around, when possible, before narrowing down finalists.

This lady would NOT break away from me. I was trying to politely ask if she could let me be me for a second and if I want to come back to her I'll come back to her. No. She insisted tag she's it. I haven't seen any other girls yet. She won't take the hint.

[/QUOTE]I thought you two had a connection and the woman genuinly liked you. Most important is to make a decision. I think you could have send her away if you really wanted to but there was chemistry.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2772329]

I was robbed of a chance to see all available talent. Not just pounce on first offer. Trip to Rio ruined.

In all fairness she did take anal like a champ.

[/QUOTE]Ok I could have written this all from a much more positive perspective. You two came down after an hour like a couple. I think you experienced the real Brazilian passion and that is not a trip to Rio ruined. My view is that picking the best looking girl who is not interested in you is nearly always a worse choice than a session with a girl you have a connection with and who is into you. This lady was so into you due to your diferent look. I never get that attention as I look like a Carioca.

We took a taxi with Texas from Copacabanca to Barra. The club is near Posto 1 and we arrived around 10 pm. Entrance 30 real to be paid on exit with the drinks.

Texas immediately got the attention of a woman, who seemed to genuinly like him. As he wanted too look around a bit more I said he can excuse himself and go to the toilet and then have a look around. He took my advise and had a quick look around before coming back to the bar. Flor from the previous visit came and said Hi to me but I gave her a bit of a cold shoulder as I had written her on whatsapp and she had blue-ticked me. Now it was my turn to ignore her. Did not see anyhting I liked and just got a sparkling water as I was drinking Gin-Tonic at home. We then sat down with Texas and his girl. I was still looking for my slim and tall type girl with a small bunda (bum). Talked to one girl and her fake boobs turned me off. My trans-alarm (note I'm not against trans people, I just do not like to have sex with them) was activated so politely excused myself. One girl caught my attention and she was at the bar next to two guys. As expected she started small talk with one of the guys at the bar but he was undecided so she stopped talking to him. This was my chance and I walked to the bar to ask for her name and all her friends were like: Wooow! This is because she had 2-3 other good looking friends with her and went straight to her making clear how she was my type. She was friendly with me so asked her if she would come and sit with me to which she responded: Of course.

As Texas was DFK it was easier for me to get Analu to make a bit more effort. So she started dancing a bit. Showing her pierced boobs. Letting me kiss her and grab her boobs and ass. She just wanted a water which was also a positive sign. As my type is very specific and as she ticked all the boxes I said that I want to have a 30 min session here to see how we get on and that we can meet in my apartment for a longer session on Sunday. After she said yes to CIM I went with her to reception to pay the 250 real for 30 minutes. The session was a blast with nice DFK to start. She did a bit of dancing rubbing her bum against me and positioning her leg in a way I could stimulate her clitoris to get her wet. Fingering was on the menu and she had a tight pussy at 23 years old. Amazing blow job. Sex in different positions and I could not hold myself as she was so tight and came while inside her with the condom. This was about 20 min into the session. We kissed and she danced a bit more. She then put her number in my phone and send herself a whatsapp message. This was a great session and Analu is now my top girl in Rio.

Went for a quickie 30 minutes at 150 real as I felt like a CIM session which Rubi happily provided. Came after 20 minutes impressed again with Rubi's technique.

I told her about the forum and she consented for her pictures to be uploaded and posed for me and took selfies for 5 minutes. Sorry for the poor lighting.

I asked Rubi about Laticia and she told me that Laticia does not like giving blowjobs. In that case I think Laticia should have told me so and I would not have selected her. Anyway I guess she thought she can just get away with it and she did!

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2772357]I thought you two had a connection and the woman genuinly liked you. Most important is to make a decision. I think you could have send her away if you really wanted to but there was chemistry.

Ok I could have written this all from a much more positive perspective. You two came down after an hour like a couple. I think you experienced the real Brazilian passion and that is not a trip to Rio ruined.[/QUOTE]In my opinion that brother is someone who just likes to find things to complain about. I am glad you saw the real deal with your own eyes. Who would visit the top 2 mongering places on this side of the planet (Medellin and Rio) back to back on the same trip and be full of complaints and dissatisfaction? Nobody except him. He needs to take a look in the mirror.

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2772329]I was robbed of a chance to see all available talent. Not just pounce on first offer. Trip to Rio ruined.

If I ever venture into Brazil again, would like to find termas ok with serial browsing, casting wider net, where lady sits for 5 minutes after that move along let the next girl shoot her shot idk.[/QUOTE]CIM and anal are pretty good offers. All boates / termas allow free roaming and there is no pressure from management to buy drinks or go with a girl. For some reason I rarely get approached by girls in boates. That's a curse and a blessing. Don't be afraid to reject a girl. Remember, these boate aren't cheap so you want to make sure you get your money's worth. One time, I was approached by an older garota in a boate. She was asking me to go with her but I didn't say anything hoping she would just give up and move on. But she was glued to me so I told her very blunted that she was not my type. She acted like I had offended her and walked away angrily. The next night, I went back to the same boate and I saw her again. She came up to me smiling. I asked if she was still angry at me for what happened last night. And she said no. She tried again to get me to go with her but I declined again. LOL.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;2772447]Went for a quickie 30 minutes at 150 real as I felt like a CIM session which Rubi happily provided. Came after 20 minutes impressed again with Rubi's technique.
I told her about the forum and she consented for her pictures to be uploaded and posed for me and took selfies for 5 minutes. Sorry for the poor lighting.
I asked Rubi about Laticia and she told me that Laticia does not like giving blowjobs. In that case I think Laticia should have told me so and I would not have selected her. Anyway I guess she thought she can just get away with it and she did! [/QUOTE]

Wow, Rubi, is a Lovely Doll in those photos, Excellent pick! I really like your reports keep them coming!!

I decided to take a fellow mongerer and the manager of club sex 202 to 4 y4 on Monday since there was a promotion 80 realis entry, all 80 realis in consumables. But the woman at the counter (one I did not know) said to us the promotion was not for foreigners. We then began walking out but the old bald owner said we can have the promotion. We returned to the counter, but then the receptionist said it would be 100 realis for us. Still bullshit.

If we wanted to pay full price we will go on a Thursday or Christmas party Friday, not a Monday. If people try to cheat you, just walk away, even if it's a few dollars. Part of mongering is not being a simp and not taking shit from anyone.

[QUOTE=Pv118;2772792]I decided to take a fellow mongerer and the manager of club sex 202 to 4 y4 on Monday since there was a promotion 80 realis entry, all 80 realis in consumables. But the woman at the counter (one I did not know) said to us the promotion was not for foreigners. We then began walking out but the old bald owner said we can have the promotion. We returned to the counter, but then the receptionist said it would be 100 realis for us. Still bullshit.

If we wanted to pay full price we will go on a Thursday or Christmas party Friday, not a Monday. If people try to cheat you, just walk away, even if it's a few dollars. Part of mongering is not being a simp and not taking shit from anyone.[/QUOTE]Looks like we're milk brothers now with TonyCarioca11, cheers!

Now, you pay on the way out. I found it to be a waste of time to negotiate entry fees with reception and security in case of real or perceived misunderstanding. My advice is just always to have extra cash on you to be ready to settle a bill on the way out and not spoil your late evening.

She looks just the way I like them, young, pretty and in flimsy, soft feminine lingerie rather than totally nude. I'm assuming you filled her mouth with tadpoles and no condom like all good girls should offer. Did she swallow or spit out?

Surfing regularly, blowjobs daily, high quality organic food cooked at home amongst the trees, this is the way life should be. It's unbelievable how many men are in sexless (and often indifferent or even hostile) relationships with someone who evolved into a stranger. Let me see, commuting through White Plains in traffic jams or Rio? Greetings to all and Merry Christmas special call out to Mr Enternational and his happy adventures.

Long time viewer and first post, sorry. I'm looking to stay in Rio for about a month in July or August, and want a place where I can have different girls over all the time. I want something super nice, like a beachfront condo with a nice balcony in Ipanema or a suite in one of the nicest hotels. The issue is that the nicer hotels seem to have tons of security and it would seem either awkward or impossible to have girls over all the time, and I'm looking on Airbnb and lots of the nicer listings say "pre-registered guests only" and lots of stuff like that (even many reviews say no guests etc). My budget is up to $20 k I'd say for accommodation for the month, but I can't seem to find something super high-end where I can have different girls over all the time. Anyone have a solution for this in Rio? Other than that, Rio seems perfect for my mission.

Do the nightclubs require you to have long pants? Is there any kind of dress code or can you wear shorts pretty much anywhere?

This is my 18 month survey of Rio and Brazil in answer to to Mr Smith and more generally for others. For starters, Brazil is below the equator, so July / August is winter in Rio. Meaning low 70's, so pretty mild.

The metro is your friend and I've enclosed a map. Whilst there are luxury buses from Barra and the touristy places, the traffic is bad. I like the subway for that reason, and because it is clean, cheap and frequent. The line you need is the yellow line (line 4) opened in 2016 running from Jardim Ocenico, So Conrado, Gvea, Antero de Quental, Jardim de Alah, Nossa Senhora the Paz / Siqueira Campos (Copacabana) from where you can connect to lines taking you into Centro where there are hundreds of brothels, clubs and so on.

The rundown is something like this. Barra (Jardim Ocenico) is a upper middle class wannabe place sort of like Miami but without the trash, split in half by a polluted lagoon. Make sure you are on the beach side. It tends to keep out the beggars and human flotsam. It features Club 400 (Av. Sernambetiba 400) aka the Yellow House, RJ Massagem and a ton of private girl apartments found on the usual websites like photoacompanhantes and muraldopraze. Plenty of beach accommodation. Pria Da Joatinga is a lovely spot with some cliffside places you could book direct for an extended stay. Don't feed the middlemen scumbags in Silicon Valley either your data or money.

The line heads east to Ipanema where all the malls and middle class comforts are. What you want an your tastes and budget come into play. I bought a somewhat run down villa and garden the hills in Joa that is pretty much jungle with great ocean views and a personal harem with live in caretakers/drivers/maids. I've mostly grown out of squalid tourist fuck hutches except for talent recruitment. There are hundreds of micro brothels in Centro in high rises, about BRL 100 - 150 an hour (as of today, 5. 16 USD or about USD 20-40). You can get express BJ's for as low as USD 10, but I like taking my time. A harder task is finding a real and skilled massage that is a great way to start the day, after a morning BJ or course.

Despite being a tourist trap, Copacabana has some surprisingly good upmarket restaurants, plenty of action, convenient brothels and a nice beach. Frankly I think the beach view thing is something you don't see after a few days, and with all the rooftop bars you can just visit and save your $. Don't overlook Niteroi on the other side of the harbor from Rio by ferry. Be sure to have a two girl experience every few days, one providing a testicle rub you while you fuck the other girl, lesbian eat out while you do one anally, two girl BJ, etc.

If its ocean, good seafood, surfing and sex you want, I'd suggest you head to Salvador, Bahia (plenty of girls) or Itacare with a weekly girl rental BYO arrangement. You can get a direct flight from Rio's downtown airport SDA (as opposed to GIG) to SSA. I'd also recommend Buzios some 130 miles east of Rio, and specifically Geriba Beach outside the touristy bit. It's a laid back place for the middle class families with lots of nice ocean front at a good price, or so close it does not matter. Not many girls though, so it's BYO. Food is not that good either, Buzios proper is a tourist trap.

PRACTICAL MATTERS

Get yourself a SIM when you get here and have them activate it. Buying bus tickets and so on online is a real pain unless you get a magic number from the government. I assume they do this to stop tourists spending money, or is the typical government cockamamie designed to surveil, frustrate and vex the population, though I suppose it is good underwriting tax receipts for the consumption of goods and services. Also, get a Charles Schwab and Capital One debit / ATM card. They rebate ATM fees and have a decent exchange rate with no foreign transaction rip-off fee. Be warned that Capital One latter randomly freezes accounts (for your protection they claim) when you go more than about 10 miles from your usual place. Then they might try and call you, and because you are necessarily outside of the USA, never hear from them, with the typical crushing lack of logic by fucked up retail banks and their trigger happy denial of YOUR money. This usually happens at 3 am when ordering an UBER or similar, such as paying a restaurant bill for friends.

The more card backup the better. Never trust US banks. Assume one or more cards will fail and involve hours of call center bullshit and the most canned insincere apologies and being told the massive inconvenience is all for your benefit. On the other hand, Citibank is pretty good if you get a premium package.

Rio is safe, just don't wear fancy watches or clothes or costly phones. By all means keep an credit card and say BRL 500 cash. Cards are taken in most places. Get yourself a cheap second hand phone for sex travel and never keep real data on it. Separate your life. That's good advice generally with apps, assume all smartphone data will be compromised be deliberate design. Rio has everything, black, brown, white, skinny, busty, young and experienced cougars, the choice is ridiculous. You can have a super busty black girl, a Grace Jones or a pale redhead and everything in between. When I used to travel I budgeted (per day) $200 for food and hotels and $100, so about $USD9 k for a month of total debauchery and fine dining. But you can at least chop that in two with not much effort.

You will have a lot of fun at first, but bring some work, reading material or something to learn or do (like languages), because after a few days you will be nutted out, or rather the brain reward center saturated. There is a limit to sexual pleasure because of biochemistry, probably an evolutionary thing so viable sperm can replenish between sessions. I'm not a tourist anymore, so the over compensation effects of USA sex prison deprivation have worn off. It's great watching guys eyes light up like little boys with awe and wonder at so much pussy, Disneyland for red blooded men and lusty Brazillian women, many of whom think anal is normal and most think CIM or an oily HJ is a human right for men, as it should be.

Healthcare is free (it's in the constitution), high quality teaching hospitals and meds are perhaps 90%+ cheaper than the US without any bullshit or gimmicks. Brazil is a real country. Good investments here as well, certainly better than many profit free, low ROI and / or debt ridden zombie companies in the USA. Organic food and farmers markets are also very accessible. All in all, Brazil has a lot going for it, such as water and an educated, cosmopolitan population.

There are direct flights to Europe across the Atlantic, such as to Frankfurt, Paris & Amsterdam. USA is typically via Miami, New York, Houston, Atlanta & Washington DC. Airlines are currently running full to capacity, so pick midweek, be sure to have your address prominently displayed INSIDE checked bags, bright ribbon, chalk mark etc on the outside and maybe a tracking tile for when (not if) they lose / delay your bag.

Lastly, have fun and enjoy beautiful, available, fun young women in their prime and leave behind the neurotic fat, entitled American heifers, jack booted cops, rip off health care, guns, homelessness and puritanical garbage. USA is a predatory society that is failing at even basic stuff, including its own Favelas in Los Angeles. Glen Greenwald, a good journalist, lives here, though he bats for the home team and misses out on beautiful women, but so long as he is happy, all is good. Merry Christmas everyone, my two girls will be in a Santa uniforms, but thigh highs below the waist and in stilettos, lot's of fun and games and poolside BBQ of seafood and some 12 hour fatty, organic brisket, organic salads and plush reds from Argentina. Look after the ladies, treat them well and and they give 10 x back in bed. My oh my!

P.S.: you need more vegetables, salad etc. One of the things Brazil tends to lack.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2773689]If its ocean, good seafood, surfing and sex you want, I'd suggest you head to Salvador, Bahia (plenty of girls).[/QUOTE]I would love to read more about the way the game is played in Salvador. There are not a lot of detailed reports on Salvador and information is scant. For example, what's the overall availability of brancas in Salvador? For my next trip to Brazil I'm trying to decide between bringing either Salvador or Florianopolis into the mix (or perhaps even both). It would be best to move this discussion to the Salvador thread, but I brought it up here since you mentioned it. Feedback is welcome from all with any firsthand experience and insights to share.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2773689]This is my 18 month survey of Rio and Brazil in answer to to Mr Smith and more generally for others. For starters, Brazil is below the equator, so July / August is winter in Rio. Meaning low 70's, so pretty mild.

The metro is your friend and I've enclosed a map. Whilst there are luxury buses from Barra and the touristy places, the traffic is bad. I like the subway for that reason, and because it is clean, cheap and frequent. The line you need is the yellow line (line 4) opened in 2016 running from Jardim Ocenico, So Conrado, Gvea, Antero de Quental, Jardim de Alah, Nossa Senhora the Paz / Siqueira Campos (Copacabana) from where you can connect to lines taking you into Centro where there are hundreds of brothels, clubs and so on.

The rundown is something like this. Barra (Jardim Ocenico) is a upper middle class wannabe place sort of like Miami but without the trash, split in half by a polluted lagoon. Make sure you are on the beach side. It tends to keep out the beggars and human flotsam. It features Club 400 (Av. Sernambetiba 400) aka the Yellow House, RJ Massagem and a ton of private girl apartments found on the usual websites like photoacompanhantes and muraldopraze. Plenty of beach accommodation. Pria Da Joatinga is a lovely spot with some cliffside places you could book direct for an extended stay. Don't feed the middlemen scumbags in Silicon Valley either your data or money.

The line heads east to Ipanema where all the malls and middle class comforts are. What you want an your tastes and budget come into play. I bought a somewhat run down villa and garden the hills in Joa that is pretty much jungle with great ocean views and a personal harem with live in caretakers/drivers/maids. I've mostly grown out of squalid tourist fuck hutches except for talent recruitment. There are hundreds of micro brothels in Centro in high rises, about BRL 100 - 150 an hour (as of today, 5. 16 USD or about USD 20-40). You can get express BJ's for as low as USD 10, but I like taking my time. A harder task is finding a real and skilled massage that is a great way to start the day, after a morning BJ or course.

Despite being a tourist trap, Copacabana has some surprisingly good upmarket restaurants, plenty of action, convenient brothels and a nice beach. Frankly I think the beach view thing is something you don't see after a few days, and with all the rooftop bars you can just visit and save your $. Don't overlook Niteroi on the other side of the harbor from Rio by ferry. Be sure to have a two girl experience every few days, one providing a testicle rub you while you fuck the other girl, lesbian eat out while you do one anally, two girl BJ, etc.

If its ocean, good seafood, surfing and sex you want, I'd suggest you head to Salvador, Bahia (plenty of girls) or Itacare with a weekly girl rental BYO arrangement. You can get a direct flight from Rio's downtown airport SDA (as opposed to GIG) to SSA. I'd also recommend Buzios some 130 miles east of Rio, and specifically Geriba Beach outside the touristy bit. It's a laid back place for the middle class families with lots of nice ocean front at a good price, or so close it does not matter. Not many girls though, so it's BYO. Food is not that good either, Buzios proper is a tourist trap.

PRACTICAL MATTERS

Get yourself a SIM when you get here and have them activate it. Buying bus tickets and so on online is a real pain unless you get a magic number from the government. I assume they do this to stop tourists spending money, or is the typical government cockamamie designed to surveil, frustrate and vex the population, though I suppose it is good underwriting tax receipts for the consumption of goods and services. Also, get a Charles Schwab and Capital One debit / ATM card. They rebate ATM fees and have a decent exchange rate with no foreign transaction rip-off fee. Be warned that Capital One latter randomly freezes accounts (for your protection they claim) when you go more than about 10 miles from your usual place. Then they might try and call you, and because you are necessarily outside of the USA, never hear from them, with the typical crushing lack of logic by fucked up retail banks and their trigger happy denial of YOUR money. This usually happens at 3 am when ordering an UBER or similar, such as paying a restaurant bill for friends.

The more card backup the better. Never trust US banks. Assume one or more cards will fail and involve hours of call center bullshit and the most canned insincere apologies and being told the massive inconvenience is all for your benefit. On the other hand, Citibank is pretty good if you get a premium package.

Rio is safe, just don't wear fancy watches or clothes or costly phones. By all means keep an credit card and say BRL 500 cash. Cards are taken in most places. Get yourself a cheap second hand phone for sex travel and never keep real data on it. Separate your life. That's good advice generally with apps, assume all smartphone data will be compromised be deliberate design. Rio has everything, black, brown, white, skinny, busty, young and experienced cougars, the choice is ridiculous. You can have a super busty black girl, a Grace Jones or a pale redhead and everything in between. When I used to travel I budgeted (per day) $200 for food and hotels and $100, so about $USD9 k for a month of total debauchery and fine dining. But you can at least chop that in two with not much effort.

You will have a lot of fun at first, but bring some work, reading material or something to learn or do (like languages), because after a few days you will be nutted out, or rather the brain reward center saturated. There is a limit to sexual pleasure because of biochemistry, probably an evolutionary thing so viable sperm can replenish between sessions. I'm not a tourist anymore, so the over compensation effects of USA sex prison deprivation have worn off. It's great watching guys eyes light up like little boys with awe and wonder at so much pussy, Disneyland for red blooded men and lusty Brazillian women, many of whom think anal is normal and most think CIM or an oily HJ is a human right for men, as it should be.

Healthcare is free (it's in the constitution), high quality teaching hospitals and meds are perhaps 90%+ cheaper than the US without any bullshit or gimmicks. Brazil is a real country. Good investments here as well, certainly better than many profit free, low ROI and / or debt ridden zombie companies in the USA. Organic food and farmers markets are also very accessible. All in all, Brazil has a lot going for it, such as water and an educated, cosmopolitan population.

There are direct flights to Europe across the Atlantic, such as to Frankfurt, Paris & Amsterdam. USA is typically via Miami, New York, Houston, Atlanta & Washington DC. Airlines are currently running full to capacity, so pick midweek, be sure to have your address prominently displayed INSIDE checked bags, bright ribbon, chalk mark etc on the outside and maybe a tracking tile for when (not if) they lose / delay your bag.

Lastly, have fun and enjoy beautiful, available, fun young women in their prime and leave behind the neurotic fat, entitled American heifers, jack booted cops, rip off health care, guns, homelessness and puritanical garbage. USA is a predatory society that is failing at even basic stuff, including its own Favelas in Los Angeles. Glen Greenwald, a good journalist, lives here, though he bats for the home team and misses out on beautiful women, but so long as he is happy, all is good. Merry Christmas everyone, my two girls will be in a Santa uniforms, but thigh highs below the waist and in stilettos, lot's of fun and games and poolside BBQ of seafood and some 12 hour fatty, organic brisket, organic salads and plush reds from Argentina. Look after the ladies, treat them well and and they give 10 x back in bed. My oh my!

P.S.: you need more vegetables, salad etc. One of the things Brazil tends to lack.[/QUOTE]Thanks but my key question is where can I stay that's super upscale / nice but also completely girl friends (bringing multiple girls into the place each day). I'm no newb at all, not even close. Maybe with rio I am, but I don't visit these places or use public transportation etc. I'd be using like barravip to come to me, SA and on occasion going to scoop one up late night in person -- but always prefer to bring them to my place. So I don't need any advice on that aspect. My only issue is that my research (and I know how to research well), is indicating clearly that the highest end condo rentals and hotels don't seem girl friendly at all. Any solution to this problem would be quite welcome? Thanks. I want to get a baller place in Rio like leblon or ipanema (copa if neccessary) that is girl friendly. That's it.

[QUOTE=Redman25;2773650]Do the nightclubs require you to have long pants? Is there any kind of dress code or can you wear shorts pretty much anywhere?[/QUOTE]The locals get pretty dressed up, no shorts.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2773715]I would love to read more about the way the game is played in Salvador. There are not a lot of detailed reports on Salvador and information is scant. [/QUOTE]Just need some reports on these places.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?570-Salvador&p=2749306&viewfull=1#post2749306[/url]

Hopefully the Salvador tread picks up!

[QUOTE=DavidSmith300;2773599]Long time viewer and first post, sorry. I'm looking to stay in Rio for about a month in July or August, and want a place where I can have different girls over all the time. I want something super nice, like a beachfront condo with a nice balcony in Ipanema or a suite in one of the nicest hotels. The issue is that the nicer hotels seem to have tons of security and it would seem either awkward or impossible to have girls over all the time, and I'm looking on Airbnb and lots of the nicer listings say "pre-registered guests only" and lots of stuff like that (even many reviews say no guests etc). My budget is up to $20 k I'd say for accommodation for the month, but I can't seem to find something super high-end where I can have different girls over all the time. Anyone have a solution for this in Rio? Other than that, Rio seems perfect for my mission.[/QUOTE]I've used this guy many times before, no problem with guests. All these apartments are on Airbnb but I find them a little cheaper here on his website. [URL]https://www.mzapartments.com.br/en/[/URL]. Also my type of mongering is similar to yours, I also like barra vip and bring up freelancers all the time with no problems or very few, sure there will always be issues but none showstoppers.

Places like the Hilton will usually turn a blind eye as long as you are discreet, though I stay away from big hotels with few exceptions. Boutique is the way to go. The places I stayed at were all clustered around Joa, such as the Cliffside lodge in Ponta the Joatinga. There are several great choices up in the hills of Rio away from the trashy beach front that gets boring. I suppose my perspective has changed since I got to know real families and the dinner party route, so I don't flout having girls around like some leering sex addict. Good manners, grooming, smiling and simple but neat clothes go a long way. It's like Asia, don't make people lose face, have some excuse, even a flimsy one, such as you and the girl are teaching each other language, even with a 40 year age gap.

Do not flout money, whether in public or around a girl, be discreet, especially when you know the wealth gap. If you have girls come to you, there are risks of being drugged or robbery or a pretend boyfriend showing up, this happens all over the world as you probably know. Using a high faulting escort agency does not change the calculus that much given the extreme gap in wealth. Keep in mind the girls are hugely vulnerable doing escorts (bashing, rape, robbery) and are full of fear with new clients they conceal . They prefer initial meetings in public, a large hotel or a love hotel where they know there is help around. This is another reason to scout the private houses, to break the ice so as to speak so they know you are OK. Then you get her number, arrange a peronite etc. Like all good things in life, it takes a bit of patience, time and effort, but when you have it, the girls that trust you (and are well treated) become wild things in bed.

My overall advice is to rid yourself of the belief that superficial symbols like private transport or costly ocean rooms or "exclusive" escort agencies can somehow create a bubble for yourself. The "exclusive" escort probably got a text from the agency when she was in a high rise commercial building servicing 5 guys a day and lives in poverty with her family in real life, with quite a few from the favelas. I'd do Rio but get to the coastal cities, sandy feet, salty kisses and happy, relaxed women feeling generous rather than reluctant captives of an agency or retail fuck hutch.

What are the fine prints of 90 days per visit and 180 days per year? If I had two 90 day stays in Brazil in 2022, do I get another two 90 day trips in 2023? I guess I am asking if the term "per year" means per calendar year?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2773923]What are the fine prints of 90 days per visit and 180 days per year? If I had two 90 day stays in Brazil in 2022, do I get another two 90 day trips in 2023? I guess I am asking if the term "per year" means per calendar year?[/QUOTE]What specific document or website are your referencing?

Generally, if you do 90 and leave out of country for 30 days then you can come back and do another 90 and so on.

Anyone correct me if I am wrong.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2773923]What are the fine prints of 90 days per visit and 180 days per year? If I had two 90 day stays in Brazil in 2022, do I get another two 90 day trips in 2023? I guess I am asking if the term "per year" means per calendar year?[/QUOTE]The way it was explained to me is its "180 days per year, NOT calendar year. Meaning it does not reset on January 1st to 0". If I remember correctly, if you stay more than 180 days in a year, you are blocked from returning for 1 year.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2773866]I've used this guy many times before, no problem with guests. All these apartments are on Airbnb but I find them a little cheaper here on his website. [URL]https://www.mzapartments.com.br/en/[/URL]. Also my type of mongering is similar to yours, I also like barra vip and bring up freelancers all the time with no problems or very few, sure there will always be issues but none showstoppers.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Places look good!

Does anyone know someone like this in Sao Paulo?

VISA rules. It all depends on your nationality. I. E most europeans tourists can stay for a period not exceeding 90 days. Maximum stay of 90 days every 180 days. (It has nothing to do with calendar years).

[URL]https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/assuntos/portal-consular/arquivos/arquivos-qgrv/qgrv-simples-ing-30sep22.pdf[/URL]

Example: You stay in Brazil 3 months, Dezember-February. Then you can't return before June.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2773949]The way it was explained to me is its "180 days per year, NOT calendar year. Meaning it does not reset on January 1st to 0".[/QUOTE]This is correct. It's 90 days every 180 days. If you are from certain countries, PF can prolong your one stay up to 180 days per (not calendar) year. If you are from EU, that's not possible.

So finally back in Rio. 😈 what's up during new year? Are any places open?

DM if any fellow mongers want to meet up.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2774000]VISA rules. It all depends on your nationality. I. E most europeans tourists can stay for a period not exceeding 90 days. Maximum stay of 90 days every 180 days. (It has nothing to do with calendar years).

[URL]https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/assuntos/portal-consular/arquivos/arquivos-qgrv/qgrv-simples-ing-30sep22.pdf[/URL]

Example: You stay in Brazil 3 months, Dezember-February. Then you can't return before June.[/QUOTE]Throwing this tidbit in the mix: Also want to check your return details of your home country / next country you plan to visit after Rio. Some places require residents / travelers who have been in City / State of Rio De Janeiro be vaccinated against Yellow Fever. I personally lucked out both Mexico and USA said it was recommended but not required. Have also watched YouTube videos where other flyers were not as lucky and denied boarding.

Quick tip: Make sure you wear a mask when going thru security on your return trip to America. I showed up without one and they made me walk all the way to the end of the airport to purchase a mask from the pharmacy. Then I had to wait in line all over again to place my bag on the xray belt.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2773873]Places like the Hilton will usually turn a blind eye as long as you are discreet, though I stay away from big hotels with few exceptions. [/QUOTE]If we're talking specifically about Hilton, their security is very alert. They will stop you (run after you if needed) and insist on registering your girl (which is not such a bad thing for your own security). After that, however, I could take them anywhere including pools and bars.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2774541]Quick tip: Make sure you wear a mask when going thru security on your return trip to America. I showed up without one and they made me walk all the way to the end of the airport to purchase a mask from the pharmacy. Then I had to wait in line all over again to place my bag on the xray belt.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the info. Mask was also mandatory in the airport in Colombia last week.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2773866]I've used this guy many times before, no problem with guests. All these apartments are on Airbnb but I find them a little cheaper here on his website. [URL]https://www.mzapartments.com.br/en/[/URL]. Also my type of mongering is similar to yours, I also like barra vip and bring up freelancers all the time with no problems or very few, sure there will always be issues but none showstoppers.[/QUOTE]The Fairmont is a great option. Gorgeous views and big enough that they don't bother you. Great poolside singers on the weekends!

[QUOTE=DavidSmith300;2773834]Thanks but my key question is where can I stay that's super upscale / nice but also completely girl friends (bringing multiple girls into the place each day). I'm no newb at all, not even close. Maybe with rio I am, but I don't visit these places or use public transportation etc. I'd be using like barravip to come to me, SA and on occasion going to scoop one up late night in person -- but always prefer to bring them to my place. So I don't need any advice on that aspect. My only issue is that my research (and I know how to research well), is indicating clearly that the highest end condo rentals and hotels don't seem girl friendly at all. Any solution to this problem would be quite welcome? Thanks. I want to get a baller place in Rio like leblon or ipanema (copa if neccessary) that is girl friendly. That's it.[/QUOTE]Years ago, a Copa real estate guy showed me a few high-end condos that have their own garage and private elevator. I guess that such places are still available if you are willing to pay enough. They are often penthouses with beach view. You should be able to get girls into these places without a problem. I don't have any addresses though but perhaps it is a lead.

[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2773873]

My overall advice is to rid yourself of the belief that superficial symbols like private transport or costly ocean rooms or "exclusive" escort agencies can somehow create a bubble for yourself. The "exclusive" escort probably got a text from the agency when she was in a high rise commercial building servicing 5 guys a day and lives in poverty with her family in real life, with quite a few from the favelas. I'd do Rio but get to the coastal cities, sandy feet, salty kisses and happy, relaxed women feeling generous rather than reluctant captives of an agency or retail fuck hutch.[/QUOTE]Just an FYI escort agencies aren't really a thing anymore in Rio for many years now. The escort sites being referenced here lately are escort sites of freelancers.

Hello to the distinguished Rio forum!

I am hitting the city in about 3 weeks and have read the last 80 or so pages of this thread in preparation.

- what a wealth of information to be found. Cheers for putting in all the hard work guys, especially to members like Vagabundo!

I am a well travelled 30 yo guy standing at 6 ft3 - so probably much younger than the average demographic on here.

To me mongering is the the sole purpose of this trip but rather a nice addition and a chance to fulfill some fantasies.

Up to this point I've been meeting girls naturally all over SA but this time my time is limited to 2. 5 weeks. I also find the idea of picking a girl I want and paying her to spread her legs before me quite exciting.

I am not planning to be meeting 3 girls a day during my trip but it would be ideal if I could fulfill the following fantasies:

1) "The hunt" - I absolutely love the idea of a hunt in Centro often described by Vagabundo. I also like the idea of at least once in my life picking a girl from the street, taking her to a local hotel for a quickie and fucking her for pennies. I was supposed to be travelling with a friend but they bailed on me earlier this week so it would be useful to buddy up and hit the Centro with someone who knows the area. Unfortunately I do not speak Portuguese so it would be great to hang around with someone who does.

In fact it would be ideal to find a wingman for the trip to replace my friend. Ideally someone in my age range.

2) GFE. I normally get this through Tinder / Bumble when on holiday but it takes time. Most normal, educated girls also have normal jobs and tend to be only available on weekends / evenings.

I mostly go for petite, spinner type girls with a nice butts of all colours. Rubi from Eden Spa showed in this thread is 100 % my type.

Coming to Brazil I would love to try some darker girls. I'd be looking for recommendations for specific girls with the right attitude.

3) Swinging. I have some experience with couples / MMF which tends to happen when I am abroad. I really like MMF, cuckold and hotwifing and have some experience with Latino couples.

Aer you aware of any reliable swinging sites in Brazil. There is a handful of people on AFF and wondering if there are better options?

Some generic questions:

/ Planning on staying in Botafogo. Seems like a good mid-point between Copa and Centro. Planning on commuting by metro. Is this the safe option after dark? Any spots to avoid? Are taxis back.

To Botafogo during the night the better option?

/ I've heard the Rio WhatsApp group being mentioned. Any chance I could be added to it?

/ Anyone around my age (30 +- 10 years) in town from the 20th of Jan?

Feel free to message me directly gents with any advice and help with the above. It would be greatly appreciated and I promise a good report at the end of my trip.

Last week, I had a few dates with a 21 yo girl I met at 4 X4. A pretty girl with a bubbly personality. We clicked instantly and we had a great session at 4 X4. She asked me if we could meet outside on a day she was not working. I asked her how much and she said 400 reais. That was almost as much as I paid for her at 4 X4 so I told her to forget about it. I did give her my (Brazilian) phone number though. Two days later, she sent me a whatapp asking me to meet her. She would agree on 300 and I could take my time with her. That was ok for me. As I was in an AirBNB that did not allow guests that were not pre-registered, we first met at one of the Copa beach bars and went from there to a motel in Lapa. We had another great (and longer) session with passionate DFK, BBBJ and CIM. A couple of days later, I had another session with her and one of her friends, a busty blonde. IMHO, a trip to Rio is incomplete without a good dupla and I only regret that I didn't do several of them in the 9 days I stayed there. The girls were totally wild and uninhibited, both kissing and licking each other as well as me. Both rode me in turn and then I took one of them doggy-style while the other tickled my ass and balls. Finally, I deposited a huge load over their faces. They did not lick it off though. Perhaps I should have asked them to do this before we started. As it was, I already felt like a porn star. Total cost: 600 reais for one hour. A bit expensive but I got great quality in return. Wow, I love Rio!

On another day, I had a very nice session with a girl from photoaccompanhantes, who received in Copa. Her name is Gaby. I know that it is a risk to date a photoaccompanhantes girl as the photos are often photoshopped or old or from another girl. However, I was lucky as this girl looked exactly like her photos. She is very cute and has a great body. I could entirely believe that she is 19 yo, as was mentioned in her ad. She received at home (or at the home of a friend). There were clothes and other personal items all about the place. I could take a shower and afterwards we had a very nice session including DFK and BBBJ. Totally GFE but with moderate passion. A very sweet young girl. Although advertised she did not accept CIM. When I left, her morena "dupla" girlfriend just entered the apartment. She was beautiful and flashed a very inviting smile, making me wish I had done them both. Later on, I could not reach her anymore, unfortunately. She does not receive every day. Total cost: 230 reais for one hour.

I also had a few more sessions with Centro Prive girls but I was not very lucky there. It really is a hit or miss in these places. At Bel Prazer, Rio Branco 185, I got a girl (I believe her name is Adrielly) who was friendly enough but her service was quite hurried and mechanical. She did do BBBJ and DFK (although the kisses were without passion). Total cost: 150 reais for one hour.

I visited several other prives in this building as well as in 13 de Maio, 33 but the quality was less than I remembered from earlier Rio trips. Or perhaps I got more picky?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2774000]VISA rules. It all depends on your nationality. I. E most europeans tourists can stay for a period not exceeding 90 days. Maximum stay of 90 days every 180 days. (It has nothing to do with calendar years).

[URL]https://www.gov.br/mre/pt-br/assuntos/portal-consular/arquivos/arquivos-qgrv/qgrv-simples-ing-30sep22.pdf[/URL]

Example: You stay in Brazil 3 months, Dezember-February. Then you can't return before June.[/QUOTE]The rule used to be: up to 90 days at one time, no more than 180 days in a 12-month period. This was the case for the prior paper visas in your passport--not sure about the new visas on arrival. I couldn't confirm this via the enclosed link or the official sites I looked at.

[QUOTE=KinkyEngineer;2774992]Hello to the distinguished Rio forum!

I am hitting the city in about 3 weeks and have read the last 80 or so pages of this thread in preparation.

- what a wealth of information to be found. Cheers for putting in all the hard work guys, especially to members like Vagabundo!

I am a well travelled 30 yo guy standing at 6 ft3 - so probably much younger than the average demographic on here.

To me mongering is the the sole purpose of this trip but rather a nice addition and a chance to fulfill some fantasies.

Up to this point I've been meeting girls naturally all over SA but this time my time is limited to 2. 5 weeks. I also find the idea of picking a girl I want and paying her to spread her legs before me quite exciting.

I am not planning to be meeting 3 girls a day during my trip but it would be ideal if I could fulfill the following fantasies:

[/QUOTE]1. I think Vagabundo can help you fulfill most of your fantasies, but you must find a way to pay Jackson for PM privileges.

2. Botafogo is a great area to stay, but the beach is unswimmable. You'll have to travel to Leme (very close) for the beach.

3. Metro is great. Cabs and Uber are fine, cheap and all over the place. Definitely avoid walking late at night, even short distances.

4. You haven't said if it's your first time in Rio, so be careful. No jewelry, expensive-looking watches, nothing like that. Avoid using your phone on the streets and be always aware of your surroundings.

5. Your age makes me suggest visiting jazz night clubs in Lapa. I'm twice as old as you are, but still enjoy an occasional visit, although not for girls. Lapa is a great night-time spot in Rio, but again, be careful. Try to go with friends.

6. There are beautiful resort towns around Rio, Buzios to the north and Angra dos Reis to the south. Consider spending 2-3 days there with a girl of your dream.

[QUOTE=KinkyEngineer;2774992]Hello to the distinguished Rio forum!

I am hitting the city in about 3 weeks and have read the last 80 or so pages of this thread in preparation.[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention. Take your girl or two to one of those swanky love motel suites with a private pool and Jacuzzi. Unforgettable experience!

I am coming to Rio in 3 weeks. The first time in 20 years. I have an Airbnb in Barra the Tijuca overlooking the beach a couple of blocks from Perola Negra. The person renting the Airbnb is not a super host. She has 5 good reviews on her listing. I am staying there for 3 nights. I'm wondering if this is a good place to stay for someone who is on the plus side of 60? Things have changed since the last time I was in Rio and I'm looking forward to exploring the area.

The week in baseball.

So it is Saturday. I fucked my girl, and then took the jizz as she wants me to cum outside her pussy, and tossed it off the balcony, with profound sadness at all the little vagabundos who would not come after me to claim their free education in the University of Switzerland, due to my being a lieutenant commander in the Swiss Navy, honorably retired after receiving fire from a Italian mafia gang way back in 1994, that's all I remember, except the part about tossing my jizz to land like prayers from the heavens upon the naked rocks of the pavement below.

So, yes PM me, one and all to be added to the local whatsapp group. I run the group like Elon Musk runs Twittter, with an open mind and a willingness to help any man come to Rio and fuck our finest hoars, whom I am glad to offer to the world in the interest of world peace in these troubled times. We plan to upload videos of old, ugly, white men and 18 year old Brazilian women to the world via Starlink, using money from FTX which we received in a grant from the Government of Bahamas in a swap for some of our finest instagram models.

PM Senor Nounce, PM Senor JimmyBoy99 too. Alas the best terma in Rio is Perola Negra. Same girls as 4 x4, like Penelope. We Veterans of the Swiss Navy should start a joint Veterans of Foreign Hoars at Perola Negra, and at 4 x4, and at Monte Carlo, under the new management of DJ Vagabundo, Lieutenant Commander, Swiss Navy, his royal highness, the future King of the Peoples Republic of Brazil and Macau.

Semper Ad Majorem Dei Vagabundo!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2775398]1. I think Vagabundo can help you fulfill most of your fantasies, but you must find a way to pay Jackson for PM privileges.

2. Botafogo is a great area to stay, but the beach is unswimmable. You'll have to travel to Leme (very close) for the beach.

3. Metro is great. Cabs and Uber are fine, cheap and all over the place. Definitely avoid walking late at night, even short distances.

4. You haven't said if it's your first time in Rio, so be careful. No jewelry, expensive-looking watches, nothing like that. Avoid using your phone on the streets and be always aware of your surroundings.

5. Your age makes me suggest visiting jazz night clubs in Lapa. I'm twice as old as you are, but still enjoy an occasional visit, although not for girls. Lapa is a great night-time spot in Rio, but again, be careful. Try to go with friends..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2775633]T Alas the best terma in Rio is Perola Negra. Same girls as 4 x4, like Penelope. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I have to check out Scandallo first so I have something to compare it to. I know it's difficult but someone has to do it.

May 2023 be a wonderful year. I started it with timing a session to the "stroke" of midnight where I was balls deep in in a hottie. Great way to start the year.

President Lula took over without incident, time for a swim at the each. Anyone bagging Rio with misinformation should look on you tube at the favelas of USA. Here I see happy and healthy families playing soccer on the beach.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2775879]Thanks for the info. I have to check out Scandallo first so I have something to compare it to. I know it's difficult but someone has to do it.[/QUOTE]Comparing Scandello to Perola Negra is like comparing McDonald's to a Michelin star restaurant 🤣.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2776214]Comparing Scandello to Perola Negra is like comparing McDonald's to a Michelin star restaurant 🤣.[/QUOTE]Yeah, there is no place in RJ that comes close to Scandello's league or even Bomboa (SP's #2 Boate). A fair brothel comparison for Perola Negra would be the Brooklin Club in SP.

And while we're on city vrs. City brothel comparisons: Casuara vs 4 x4 is an interesting matchup. Casarao has more girls and its girls are FL's. So, you can take the girls out of the club. 4 x4 girls work for the house and the girl's price is set by management. Both places are pretty amazing and have relatively similar pricing. I personally think Casarao has more, better looking girls than 4 x4, however.

Another very competitive brothel comparison would be Bahamas Club vs. Solarium. In this case I think the two clubs are pretty evenly matched. Girl quality is similar, the number of girls available is around the same, and prices are somewhat similar too although Bahamas is more expensive, and the decor is more upscale. But Bahamas girls are FL's and you can take them out of the club for the same fee as going upstairs. Solarium girls work for the club and prices are set by management. I like both places, but when I am in RJ I tend go to Solarium more often than I go to Bahamas Club when I am in SP because SP has bordello nightclubs like Scandalo & Bomboa and RJ just does not. Game, set, match!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2776223]Yeah, there is no place in RJ that comes close to Scandello's league or even Bomboa (SP's #2 Boate). A fair brothel comparison for Perola Negra would be the Brooklin Club in SP.

And while we're on city vrs. City brothel comparisons: Casuara vs 4 x4 is an interesting matchup. Casarao has more girls and its girls are FL's. So, you can take the girls out of the club. 4 x4 girls work for the house and the girl's price is set by management. Both places are pretty amazing and have relatively similar pricing. I personally think Casarao has more, better looking girls than 4 x4, however.

Another very competitive brothel comparison would be Bahamas Club vs. Solarium. In this case I think the two clubs are pretty evenly matched. Girl quality is similar, the number of girls available is around the same, and prices are somewhat similar too although Bahamas is more expensive, and the decor is more upscale. But Bahamas girls are FL's and you can take them out of the club for the same fee as going upstairs. Solarium girls work for the club and prices are set by management. I like both places, but when I am in RJ I tend go to Solarium more often than I go to Bahamas Club when I am in SP because SP has bordello nightclubs like Scandalo & Bomboa and RJ just does not. Game, set, match![/QUOTE]I would compare SP's Casarao to Rio's Dolce Vita.

Both are made up of FL.

Both entry is 50 BRL.

Both don't get packed til after midnight.

Both have a low take out fee of 100 brl more or less.

Casarao has rooms available to use is the only thing I can think of that separates them.

Casarao also has more girls but that's more of a population thing.

I've never been to Bahamas because like you said there are more better boates in SP but will check it out and do a report when I go back in a few months.

Solarium is definitely the best boate in Rio. Girls are the best looking and best attitude and has a lot of girls relative to the rio scene.

It's one of the more expensive boates in rio but is worth the value.

I would consider 4 x4,Solarium and DV as the best clubs in rio in that order.

I am traveling with a Thai bargirl and staying in Copacabana. What she wants to do is go to a bar that has garotas available for drinks, maybe something more. Any suggestions where to take her?

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2776365]I would compare SP's Casarao to Rio's Dolce Vita. Both are made up of FL.

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Solarium is definitely the best boate in Rio. Girls are the best looking and best attitude and has a lot of girls relative to the rio scene.

It's one of the more expensive boates in rio but is worth the value.

I would consider 4 x4,Solarium and DV as the best clubs in rio in that order.[/QUOTE]Dolce Vita is at the top of my RJ must check out bar list. The last time I was in RJ in May 2022, I stayed on Copacabana Beach and I was plaining to go to DV, but then I caught the Omicron. Although the disease itself amounted to not much more than the strangest sore throat I ever had in my life and its effect lasted for only 3 days, out of respect for the girls and other civilians, I self-isolated and I kept to myself for friggin' 10 days. What a God damn drag as I did not do anything except bake on Copacabana Beach and watch Netflix the entire time. But once I returned to SP, I extended my trip at no extra cost, thanks to American Airlines, and made up for the lost days with my SP girls and SP Boates.

I totally agree with you about Solarium. Great girls! It is my favorite RJ Terma too. But I do like the vibe and atmosphere over at 4 x 4. 4 x 4 is rawer and lower class. KKK. For example, one Thursday night I went there, the place was packed, and I saw this fat, naked, drunk, girl writhing and rolling around on the liquor-stained bar floor. She grabbed her customer's hand and pulled his head towards her pussy and he, with his friends urging him on, reluctantly went along for the ride. Ha Ha. He was just an American Black guy, having a real good time at 4 x4 with his buddies. His friends were real friendly too. I was sitting at the table next to them. It was their last night in town, and everybody was having a great time. It was a wild scene! I eventually found a slender half Turkish / Brazilian girl and she showed me a good time.

Perhaps I'm an old Rio stickler, but I think it's helpful to differentiate boates and termas. While the distinctions can be subtle, the former is more of a night club and the latter is more of a brothel. It gets confusing because some boates have hourly rooms available on or next to the premises.

I guess the biggest difference other than the overall vibe is that at a termas you are basically paying a fixed price set by the termas management. Of course, you can work out a deal to meet a termas girl later, but that's not the primary purpose of a termas per se. (By the way, I still think it's best to discreetly get a termas girl's number and work out an off-site rendezvous.) Termas can also have some amenities like a sauna and real masseuses that usually aren't that great.

The boates are more like nightclubs where girls and boys go to meet. And yeah, the girls just happen to be working girls and everyone including management expects you to negotiate a deal. They don't care if you take the girl home as long as they get their beak wet.

You could also make this more confusing by adding clinicas and prives which are generally small fixed price establishments frequented in the day.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2776398]I am traveling with a Thai bargirl and staying in Copacabana. What she wants to do is go to a bar that has garotas available for drinks, maybe something more. Any suggestions where to take her?[/QUOTE]There are several swing clubs in the Rio area. Just do a little google search, the one in Barra (Asha), is very good so is the one in Botafogo called 2 a2.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2776476]There are several swing clubs in the Rio area. Just do a little google search, the one in Barra (Asha), is very good so is the one in Botafogo called 2 a2.[/QUOTE]The Thai lady is more interested in going to a regular bar where customers buy drinks for ladies. Not so much interested in going to the room with a lady.

Maybe a strip club in Copacabana.

The Casablanca bar is not far, I will give it a try. Anyone ever go there?

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2776214]Comparing Scandello to Perola Negra is like comparing McDonald's to a Michelin star restaurant 🤣.[/QUOTE]I'm already aware of that. The last time I was in Brazil was 20 years ago. At that time my favorite termas was Centaurus. I went into this big room full of women after changing into the robe and flip-flops. I sat next to a gorgeous blonde and started kissing and fondling her right away. We ended up going to a room about 20 minutes after and had amazing sex. The other places I went include Help disco where I met a girl who stayed with me every night and even went to the airport to see me off when I left, Barbarella boite (where I met two girls and had my first threesome), And 4 X4 where I had okay hookup with a girl but it wasn't anything to write home about. I only had a week in Rio but had a great time.

I also used this forum to get information back then. I am looking forward to trying new things in Sao Paulo, Rio, and Foz do Iguacu this time around. Perola Negra looks like a small club. I don't have any high hopes for the action there but you never know.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2776540]The Thai lady is more interested in going to a regular bar where customers buy drinks for ladies. Not so much interested in going to the room with a lady.

Maybe a strip club in Copacabana.[/QUOTE]Strip clubs or even Thai-style go-go bars are not really a thing in Brazil.

Your best bet is to go to Dolce Vita in Copacabana late at night to drink. It's not clear what your end game is, but I'm sure you will find open-minded women. You can buy the ladies drinks and see where it goes.

You might want to clarify things more since strip clubs aren't really regular bars. If you want something more hardcore, you can always go to a termas like 4 x4 or Solarium. You can also buy the girls drinks there and figure things out.

I have a week in São Paulo on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ. $$ not a problem.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panamá? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776847]I have a week in So Paulo on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ. $$ not a problem.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panam? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?[/QUOTE]Have you ever been to Costa Rica? If you're looking to try something different maybe you can give that a go. It's not like Sampa which is not like Rio which is not like Medellin which is not like Mexico City. In other words, it's its own thing with its own kind of "vibe". In San Jose you got the Hotel del Rey, the Sportsmens Lodge, and Hotel Taormina. And in Jaco there's the Cocal. These are "party hotels" with bars patronized by "ladies of the night". Pre-pandemic they were full of Colombianas, but I understand that the Colombianas have yet to return at their former numbers. So you would most likely be pulling lots of Ticas (Costa Rican girls), which is not a bad thing. I bet a lot of those Ticas are thrilled the "Culombianas" (as one Costa Rica Tica put it to me) are gone LOL! If I was going to do a stop off between North and South, then Costa Rica would be my choice. Panama also has a very active and robust scene and is a more modern country, but between the two I always preferred the action and the "vibe" to be found in Costa Rica versus that in Panama (you could do worse). Hope you make a good choice for you. And write up a good report too hehe!

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2776847]I have a week in So Paulo on business. And a week in Mexico city on business. And the weekend intervening I can go ANYWHERE in south / central America. A few parameters:

I love the club scene when traveling. I have a girl at home so dinners and GFE are standard. So I like to get out and party on the road. So like Scandallo and Casarao etc will def be done. But I can do that during the workweek.

I've been to Medellin and found it only OK for what I was after. Did Facebook girls at my condo. Was def fun but missed the club scene and didn't like the plastics at La Isla.

Absolutely got to have BBBJ. $$ not a problem.

Want to balance of nice place to hang out, maybe beachfront, with club / girl options but not the only thing. Rio? Costa Rica? Panam? The options are wide open. What would you guys do given the above parameters?[/QUOTE]Steve, I've been to Costa Rica and Panama and in my opinion Rio is far better for mongering and much more fun overall. I don't remember if you been to Rio. It's a beautiful, beautiful cosmopolitan beach city. It's like God dropped San Francisco on Hawaii and sprinkled with Miami's Latinas.

Knowing you a bit, I don't think Rio's mongering club scene will meet your expectations unless you meet a working girl or a Seeking / Facebook girl who you can take to civilian clubs. You might like the civilian nightlife scene in the Lapa neighborhood. Since you seem to have some game and banter, you should try your hand flirting with store clerks and beach bunnies. If you invite a girl to a nice club or restaurant, you will likely warm them up more than if you lechered them up with an offer to go back to your place for a quick bang.

Having said that, I don't know how you feel about the hardcore brothels (as opposed to boates). You can always hit the termas. You can also invite a nice termas girl for an evening out. Some of them appreciate being on a date before jumping into bed.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2776873]Steve, I've been to Costa Rica and Panama and in my opinion Rio is far better for mongering and much more fun overall. I don't remember if you been to Rio. It's a beautiful, beautiful cosmopolitan beach city.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. In fact, after I started going to Brazil, I never returned to Costa Rica again LOL! My suggestion was just based on if he wanted to try something new by doing a stop in Central America. If that's the case, then Costa Rica would be my pick. Otherwise, I would choose Rio over San Jose every single time (and have ever since I discovered Brazil). Why, I would even choose Germany and its FKK scene over Costa Rica. But in Central America? Costa Rica rules (and you could do much worse)! I don't know why in the world Steve hasn't gone to Rio. It's absolutely essential to go there if you're going to "hobby" in Brazil!

And back to our feature presentation.

So after my trip to SP I ventured across the land to the land of the cariocas.

TRAVEL.

You can easily get a 1 HR plane ride from SP to Rio as they have a plane leaving every hour using GOL, Latam and Azul.

Now these sons of onions want to charge you 200 up to 500 USD for one tickets or round trip if you book late. You should always book your flight from SP to Rio ahead of time to avoid this. Sometimes the price isn't too bad but if you book ahead of time they usually can be had for around $40 USD.

Since I wasn't sure if I was going to stay more time in SP I opted to get a leito cama bus from SP to Rio which is a 6 hour bus ride. So the thing about the leito cama is that it is a fully reclinable seat that is pretty much the ultimate lazy boy. You hardly feel any bumps on the road and they stop half way at a buffet place where you pay for the weight of the food.

The bad thing about going this route is you HAVE to go to the bus station terminal and buy the ticket directly from the booth because they will not accept foreign credit card, debit or my virgin asshole. This is a real pain for somethings in Brazil. Major institutions don't have the option for foreign transactions so you have to physically go down and do things like this. Luckily there was a deal for the leito cama bus I took for 160 brl. Usually it's about 250 brl. They leave 9 am, noon, 3 pm, 6 pm and mightnight although leito cama rides are only certain times. I would not do the regular bus ride with the regular seats since it's a pretty long trip and the fare is already cheap enough.

GIG is the international airport in Rio so you'll end up here if you fly in or fly out to your country.

SDU is the domestic airport that will take you to and from SP and is closer to the city.

AIRBNB / LOVE HOTEL.

I ended up staying in an Airbnb for my entire stay in rio. I had a nice big room with a washing machine, kitchen and doorman. It was located across the street from monte carlo boate so prime location. Hotels in rio seem to be really small compared to SP and the styling is very dated. I met a member in rio and he stayed at one of the budget hotels in copa and it was tiny room and he was only paying 8 USD less than me. Another member was staying at one of the higher end hotel in copa and it was smaller again than my airbnb. Unless you really need a maid to clean your room everyday, hotel rooms aren't really the best value unless you go to barra where it's decently priced. The one thing I noticed is that all the apartments in rio, the doors lock from the inside. So yea there usually arent any safes in these airbnbs but a girl isn't exactly going to able to steal your stuff without you letting them out first. It does feel a bit weird locking the door when the girl enters, I feel like a straight jeffery dahmer ready to eat some morena coochie.

I would find a place in copa near posto 2 since it's close to Casablanca and dolce vita which I believe are the best little boates in rio where you are suppose to take the girl back to your place. You'll also have access to the beaches and a good amount of bars and restaurants.

There are tons of love motels in copa to pick from as well.

You have lido which is very basic but is down the street from Casablanca or DV.

Hotel vanity is pretty decent.

The best so far is panda hotel but it's a bit far out so a uber ride is needed. Not too far out but you can't just walk there.

There are a ton in copa so if you have reservations of taking a girl to your place just go to one of many love motels in rio.

BEACHES.

If it's your first time I would say check out the beaches whenever you can and soak up the sun.

Copa is tourist hell as you constantly get bugged every 10 steps on the beach.

Ipanema is better but still have guys bugging you.

Barra has the best beaches where the only people who bother you are the beach chair people so not so bad. They also have nice beach club restaurants where in copa / ipa they just have little finger food booths.

You can pick up girls in copa but the thing is that some of the girls here are also tourists from other parts of Brazil who are here for the weekend or a quick trip. A buddy chatted up a pretty hot girl from minas and they ended up texting back and forth but she had to leave the next day so he couldn't do anything. She was a civilian as well.

Barra seems to be more locals and I went with 2 other members and we ended up talking to 3 models who were smoking hot. They were with a few guys so no numbers after but definitely a place for hot young locals.

Barra is also safer for your items. I got some chairs on the beach and chatted with the boys and we left to go search for some new gash and we came back to our stuff fully intact. The beach chair guys actually look out for your things.

There was another guy I met that went to ipanema beach for a quick swim and when he came back shore after 5 mins everything but his stupidity was stolen.

GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS.

(I don't remember the pricing so well so don't at me, its been a minute since I've left).

-4 X4-.

Still one of the best termas in rio.

Cheap entry less than 100 brl.

Rooms are cheap too like 150 brl.

Girls are like 250 brl.

I don't remember all the pricing but all in it's less than 100 USD.

Its best to arrive at 5 pm when it's packed.

I went here every other day while here.

I actually ended coming here on my last day in rio and spent my last hours here before my plane departure.

I had my luggage in the locker room and the lady who gives you your robe and sandals looked after it.

If you come here more than two times the lady in the front remembers you and it becomes an olive garden where "when you're here, you're family".

It's the best value place out of all the major places in rio but the only thing is that after your third visit you end up seeing the same girls over and over again. You start to get bored of the usual line up.

The other thing is that sometimes guys will have a private booth booked and hog all the good girls so that can really make or break your trip there.

This place also has one of the best and most fleshed out menu with drinks and actual food.

Overall still top 3 places in rio.

-SOLARIUM-.

I believe this is the most upscaled place out of all the termas in rio. Not comparable to anything in SP but for rio it's the best you can get.

The girls here are so much nicer, friendly and hotter than any place I've been to thru out all 5 times I've been to rio. The quality is great and you can literally sit and chat with a girl and not be pressured to take them up. I had a buddy talk to a girl for over 2 hours and he ended up taking her but at no point was she trying to get him to go with her or looked annoyed.

The rooms are also pretty clean although pretty cramped. Unlike 4 x4 where you can get a much bigger room, solarium doesn't have that option that I'm aware of. When it's really busy you can also be waiting for a room which sucks but happens in 4 x4 as well.

Every last Monday (or maybe Tuesday I forget LOL) of the month is a big event at solarium. All the girls who work at solarium comes in and the room is filled from wall to wall with the best they have to offer. I think the sushi is extra rsw on this day as well because it smells a little fishy. The entry fee becomes all consumable. In total your spending like 600 brl for entry, one hour with the room. It's a bit pricey compared to other options but honestly I'm usually never disappointed with the line up.

Top 3 for sure.

-MONTE CARLO-.

I ended up only coming here once during my stay and should have went a few more times.

It's one of the lesser visited termas in copa but it's there.

I've been here before during my other trips and it's usually a hit or miss.

Sometimes it's slow and sometimes its got some decent amount of girls.

When I went it had like 8 girls and 3 of them were my type.

I ended up seeing a girl I met during my first trip in rio.

She's a pale blonde carioca with grey eyes so she sticks out LOL if you go to monte carlo you'll know her once you see her.

She's actually pretty popular on seeking and meu patrinho and she's always flying out to europe and all around Brazil and staying at some of the bigger hotels in rio like the copacabana palace.

She remembered me and we went upstairs and had a good time. I ended up asking her questions about where to eat and stuff like that and she was happy to be a tourist advisory LOL.

The rooms are similar to solarium, nice but a bit cramped. I think they have a bigger suite option available tho.

It's worth a look but get there at 5 pm so it's got a good amount of girls. Any later and it will just be you alone with 3 girls. Never seen it fully packed with guys and / or girls.

It's like 500 brl for everything so kinda of a gamble but could pay off.

-CENTARAUS-.

Idk if I spelled it right but I don't even care to check that's how little I care about this place.

This is the definition of a tourist trap.

Its like 660 brl for one hour, room and entry and that's a lot in rio.

The amount of girls here is usually 15 or so but these girls attitudes make them horrid.

Its like the opposite of solarium. I've been here 3 times during my 5 trips and every single time I was immediately assaulted walking in. Unless you're a high roller you're treated with very little respect. I don't understand how this place is still in business. The rooms aren't even the best. Its bigger than solarium and monte carlo granted but the bed and room are very old looking.

I met one great girl here during my first trip but she stopped working here because even she said it's a real nightmare working there as the girls can be very aggressive and competitive.

The entrance is also not very subtle and is located next to a cafe which is usually busy so you get some side eye going in and out.

I would avoid this place and not waste your money and precious time.

-Dolce Vita-.

This place is one of my new favorite places in rio.

Its the casarao of rio.

It opens around 11 pm and gets busy at midnight.

Alot of americans here so it's very much a US nightclub vibe.

50 brl to enter.

There is a good mix of pros and non pros.

Take out fee I believe was 100 brl.

I met some really great girls here.

I took two pros to the panda love motel for 400 each and they were great but were very much watching the clock which is unfortunate but happens with pros.

Then I took a non pro and at first she said she would go out for 1500 brl and I said 500 and she took that. Her body was an hourglass figure and just crazy. She had a tongue piercing and that really sent me over the edge. Every single lick was pure bliss. Toe curling kind of feel. She got a kick out of that and I would just have her do that for 30 mins and she indulged me. We ended up fucking so hard that the downstair neighbor would tap our floor to quiet us down. I ended up seeing her two more times and she was great again! She knew how to ride and she liked to be manhandled. I was almost tempted to cum in this carioca but unlike a certain swiss navyman this american stud's seamen is worth it's weight in gold and I can't dilute my market value. It simply can't be done.

So I just ended up constructing a kiddie pool on her stomach every sinlge time.

She definitely did not watch the clock and we went at it until we tired ourselves out.

DV is the new place to be for a last ditch hail mary if all else fails.

-Casablanca-.

This place is around the block from DV and is also a good place to look at.

It's 100 BRL to enter but you get two drinks with that.

I only went once but when I did it was packed with 30 girls so the most out of any place other than DV somedays.

It's not a really big space so girls are packed there tight. You can hardly sit sometimes. Girls are constantly looking at you and want to strike up a conversation.

I was the one of 3 guys there so ratio is good. Girls are mostly 5's some 7's and 8's. It's got numbers is it's strongest points. Girls from DV will come here too so you might end up seeing the same girl if you already checked out DV. Take out fee for a girl is 100 BRL.

Girls will usually go out for 500 brl.

Its good to check out and you might get lucky.

Definitely don't use the room in the back.

I didn't session at any prives.

I went to a few with another member but I wasnt impressed.

Getting to these places in centro was also a trip.

You have to sign in and get a elevator pass.

Then go up and do this all over again for the others.

Its just a lot of walking around the girls here were 3's -5's.

Yea it's cheap like 150 brl but this stallion is looking for the quality, not quantity.

I heard there are some good prives in copa but again it's a journey getting up and they are not easy to find.

If you want to do the prive scene is would suggest sitting down and making a plan to map out your visit.

SEEKING / MEU PATRINHO.

I tried to use seeking and meu patrinho but didn't really get any results becuase I did so 2 weeks before coming.

Besides that most of these girls are non pros so they can be very flakey.

Some even write they are not SPs so don't even bother.

In rio it seemed to be mostly 30's to 40's.

I ended up meeting this 24 yr dance instructor.

We had lunch, going to the mall to get a dessert and then went to vidigal which was a bit tough as many uber drivers simply would not go. Took a while to get there. Had a good time and we ended up taking the motorcycles that takes you up and down the hill back to our place which was fun and beats the long time it takes to get an uber driver to pick you up plus the traffic at night.

Nothing happened afterwards as she had to leave for a work thing and the next day she had to cancel so no luck for me here. I admit I didn't come prepared but I really don't get the appeal of the SA scene. It's a lot of work and you're spending as much or more for a medicore fuck at best. RJ just doesn't seem to have the best scene here or at least for guys who aren't going to take these girls on a yacht ride and shower them with gifts.

I met another college girl but she was like 1. 5 hours away so after the first contact I dropped her. She was ok at best. It was very awkward at first and only got slightly better towards the end. Idk the scene here just isn't the best.

ONLINE GIRLS.

I only saw one online girl from barrasVIP as I really didn't see any girl I liked that much to part with my reais.

The one girl I did see was new to the game and she was a real peach.

Cute and wide eyed. Some guy gave her Romanian lei as payment and she took it so she was just starting out. I think I was her second guy which was funny.

Online girls here are pretty good but they do tend to charge like 600 and over for 1 hour.

Alot of them are in barra so it's a drive and some wait time for you.

Can't report much here but it's always an option.

BRINGING A SP GIRL.

So this is the 3rd time I took a SP girl to Rio.

I actually get a real kick from it, I really do.

I guess it makes me feel like a catcher in the rye. The reason most of these girls do this type of work is because they really need the money to help their families or just survive. I just like showing some of these girls that the world isn't that bad and filled with decent folks. I go for GND type of girls so they are always appreciative and it's a good time for both.

Like I mentioned in my SP report I brought a girl over that I met in casarao to rio for 3 days. At first I was skeptical because she was the most leveled headed brazilian girl I met so something must be wrong with here LOL.

She had never been to rio so we did the usual redeemer, sugar loaf and a sailboat ride around gloria. She was really sweet and acted as a wing woman for one of my bud when we were walking on the beach. I got really bored of the Rio termas scene as I've been here 5 times so kinda saw all the girls already so she was a nice getaway from that.

I did ask her if she wanted to go to one of the swing clubs like asha but she said it wasn't her thing and she wouldn't really enjoy it but she didn't care if I went and she would stay in the bar area. She was really sweet about it but I felt if I did go for it, it would kill her. It really would. That's what I get for going for GND girls.

It was still a good time with BBFS without hesitation and just a real GFE experience. Taking a SP girl to Rio is the real ultimate GFE cheat code.

SAFETY.

Rio isn't really that much dangerous than any other big tourist city.

You just can't be a dumbass with a foot up your ass.

You need to understand your surroundings and always keep your eyes open.

You can be robbed in any city in any country.

Safety is a window that will get shattered one day and make you realize it's only an illusion and just a concept.

A non brazilian is easy to spot. I'm not a "gringo" but that being said I am a gringo, so even though I don't stick out that much I still do. I can easily spot non brazilian latinos so it's really not that hard.

You can speak in english in rio, there's tons of tourists and americans here, its not a problem.

But if you talk about money or things of value out loud that easily is translated and understood universally as please rob me because I'm an idiot.

Don't have your phone out and glued on it.

Don't flaunt your gold chain or money.

Wear regular clothing and just keep your wits about you and think fast.

Robbers are cowards and they prey on the slow witted and unaware. If you sense or see anything fishy make a move and let your presence be known. They don't want to fight a fully aware person because then their edge is gone.

Centro, ipanema and copa are just big tourist traps and so entails a bunch of leftover scum to fester so just keep your eye out.

Barra on the other hand is definitely the more safer area than the rest.

EXAMPLE.

I was walking late at night from Casablanca to my airbnb which was only 6 blocks away around 1 am in copa. I've done this before many times but this time it was pretty dead more than usual. I walked maybe 4 blocks and then I saw two guys coming up behind me and one guy in front walking towards me. I casually walked across the road to the sidewalk on the beach and sure enough these guys were making their move and trying to slowly get me surrounded. So I walk back towards the sidewalk I came from and they follow suit and one said something. It was probably something gay and I, not being of homosexual descent, jogged away from these gay bois and went to the nearest hotel lobby. The guard at the hotel (there is always one in copa hotels) asked me if I was guest and I told him I was not but there were some bad hombres trying to jack me and he actually went out and took a look for me and saw that they were walking around the block still and reassured me that he had my back and got me a taxi. I just had my phone on me and a couple of reais so wouldn't lose much but keeping your head on a swivel and acting fast will do you more good than wearing a football Jersey. Sure I could also not walk at night but I wasnt too far from my place and done this a ton before but if anything just act fast. It's the thinking that gets you in trouble.

Barra on the other hand I had my Iphone out and wore my expensive sunglasses and no one batted an eye. There's a couple of rich arab guys that come here and they stay here and buy bottles at the beach clubs. It's a big difference and crime still exists but it's more guarded.

Rio is a great place to come and indulge in some sun and cariocas but just know it won't match SP and staying here for a long period can lead you to seeing the same line up over and over again and that can get old real quick. I know some guys live here which is different from staying here for 2-5 weeks. I could see it being a good place to live but for a long vacation you pretty see everything after the first week. There's nothing new after that. For the best rio experience without all the annoyances, check out arrial do cabo or buzios for a real get away (not for girls) better waters and less touristy.

Its a real escape and something new for most.

It's definitely a must stop destination but after awhile it can get old. SP is my new favorite city and will be back there in a few months and will skip Rio altogether.

I'll probably wait a year or two til I go back when new actions come to play.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]And back to our feature presentation......[/QUOTE]Now that's what I call a report of distinction. Any newbies come here asking questions about mongering in Rio should be ***** slapped.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]Centro, ipanema and copa are just big tourist traps and so entails a bunch of leftover scum to fester so just keep your eye out.

Barra on the other hand is definitely the more safer area than the rest.

EXAMPLE.

I was walking late at night from Casablanca to my airbnb which was only 6 blocks away around 1 am in copa. I've done this before many times but this time it was pretty dead more than usual. I walked maybe 4 blocks and then I saw two guys coming up behind me and one guy in front walking towards me. I casually walked across the road to the sidewalk on the beach and sure enough these guys were making their move and trying to slowly get me surrounded. So I walk back towards the sidewalk I came from and they follow suit and one said something. It was probably something gay and I, not being of homosexual descent, jogged away from these gay bois and went to the nearest hotel lobby. The guard at the hotel (there is always one in copa hotels) asked me if I was guest and I told him I was not but there were some bad hombres trying to jack me and he actually went out and took a look for me and saw that they were walking around the block still and reassured me that he had my back and got me a taxi. I just had my phone on me and a couple of reais so wouldn't lose much but keeping your head on a swivel and acting fast will do you more good than wearing a football Jersey. Sure I could also not walk at night but I wasnt too far from my place and done this a ton before but if anything just act fast. It's the thinking that gets you in trouble.[/QUOTE]Bearsi, great report. This type of comprehensive report should be a Report of Distinction. We can direct newbies there who pop up here with "hey guys, going to Rio in two days. Where are the best girls?

As far as safety, six Copacabana blocks late at night is enough for me to call an Uber. I have had too many strange guys follow me in Copa and had to react in a similar manner. They know that the clubs that draw tourists and know the walking patterns. I'm also cautious in Ipanema. Forget about leaving the front door of Termas 4 x4 at night and walking in Centro. This is just my opinion.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2776886]I agree 100%. In fact, after I started going to Brazil, I never returned to Costa Rica again LOL! My suggestion was just based on if he wanted to try something new by doing a stop in Central America. If that's the case, then Costa Rica would be my pick. Otherwise, I would choose Rio over San Jose every single time (and have ever since I discovered Brazil). Why, I would even choose Germany and its FKK scene over Costa Rica. But in Central America? Costa Rica rules (and you could do much worse)! I don't know why in the world Steve hasn't gone to Rio. It's absolutely essential to go there if you're going to "hobby" in Brazil![/QUOTE]I think one can have fun in Costa Rica for sure. It's a beautiful country. I don't think it's cosmopolitan enough for Steve. San Jose is a small city. If one likes a laidback environment to chill with some girls you will find them. Are they as hot as Brasileiras? No. Are there a lot of girls? Not even close as compared to Rio. There is enough though and with Steve's budget I don't think he will balk for paying for the top Costa Rica talent.

I think someone responded to Steve on the San Jose, CR thread. Their description was accurate. You just hang out at some small bars where there are some working girls milling around. Some are very friendly.

I wrote about a Jaco Beach experience. We ran into a group of five fairly attractive girls at a bar. They were not interested. A few hours later I saw them at the disco and I took one of them home to the Cocal for the night. Some of the other girls in the group went with my buddies. So the girls must have mentally separated "girl time" from later "working time". I guess I can respect the separation.

Steve will figure out what he wants this trip and have a good time either way.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2777169]I think someone responded to Steve on the San Jose, CR thread. Their description was accurate. You just hang out at some small bars where there are some working girls milling around. Some are very friendly.[/QUOTE]I happen not to agree 100% with this description of all of Costa Rica, but I temper my remarks by noting that it's been a long time since I have been to Costa Rica, and it was all pre-pandemic. Now take a place like the Del Rey. When I used to go, by 7 pm it would be packed wall-to-wall with at least 200+ or so tutes up in there (lots of 7's and 8's). The music would be loud and people would be eating and drinking and talking and laughing. There was a tiny little casino area and people would be in there blowing some money. And mongers would be striking up deals with Ticas and Colombianas (and maybe a few Nicas, Panamenas, and Salvadorenas too) to get blown LOL! You could walk across "Gringo Gulch" to this little place across the street (forget the name of it) where there was live music and a restaurant. I remember there also was this club called "El Quartel" or something like that with people packed in standing shoulder to shoulder for live music. I went there one time with a blonde head turner from Colombia (doorman told me I was living "la pura vida" hahaha). Now, if you wanted an atmosphere that was more quiet and laid back with tutes "milling about", then that would be the Sportmens Lodge, which is still kicking.

Then there were a few upscale strip clubs with hot girls for takeout (not the American-style bull we know), and I remembered pulling a smoking hot Colombiana (a 10 on my scale) named "Xiomara" from one of those joints to go back to my hotel in Escazu (nicest part of San Jose) for sex (she proposed it LOL). You know she had to be hot as I still remember her name and looks to this very day. She told me I was a "buen polvo" (Colombian Spanish for a "good fuck" hehe). Then too there were the "pensiones" or little casas where you could go and find nice small stables of girls waiting just for you! After the Del Rey closed (its since opened again), a lot of the heavy action moved to Jaco and the Cocal, another "party hotel". And in San Jose the Taormina Hotel eventually filled the void that had been left by the Del Rey in that city. I guess my objection is that your descriptions make the place sound like some sleepy little hamlet or something, and that's definitely not the Costa Rica I knew (again talking pre-pandemic). There were so, so many options, sleepy and on speed! Why, the current population of the San Jose metro area today is about 1. 5 million people. No, that can't compete with Rio in terms of size, but the place is more than large enough and "sex tourist concentrated" enough that you can find some "pace" in Costa Rica if you want to. At least you could pre-pandemic anyway.

The reason why I stopped going to Costa Rica is because I discovered Brazil where the menu suited my sexual appetites so much better. I found Brazilian girls on average to be prettier per my tastes (with lots of them being brancas), sexier, less inhibited (dirtier), and far better in bed skill wise than the average Ticas and Colombianas working in Costa Rica. And when it comes to delivering PSE sex, well I haven't found any country in the world better than Brazil for that, including a penchant for offering anal sex! So if you like taking pretty girls in the ass, then you know Brazil is simply Heaven on this earth LOLOL! Costa Rica (and most places) can't compete. Not even close. Another thing is although it was fairly routine to get BBBJs in Costa Rica, not so much so for CIM. Much, much easier in places like Brazil and Germany for CIM and anal sex. All that said, in my view Costa Rica is still a "permanent monger member nation". Meaning that if you want to call yourself an experienced international monger, then a part of earning your stripes means that you've got to get at least one trip to Costa Rica under your belt.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]And back to our feature presentation.

So after my trip to SP I ventured across the land to the land of the cariocas.

TRAVEL.

You can easily get a 1 HR plane ride from SP to Rio as they have a plane leaving every hour using GOL, Latam and Azul.

Now these sons of onions want to charge you 200 up to 500 USD for one tickets or round trip if you book late. You should always book your flight from SP to Rio ahead of time to avoid this. Sometimes the price isn't too bad but if you book ahead of time they usually can be had for around $40 USD.

Since I wasn't sure if I was going to stay more time in SP I opted to get a leito cama bus from SP to Rio which is a 6 hour bus ride. So the thing about the leito cama is that it is a fully reclinable seat that is pretty much the ultimate lazy boy. You hardly feel any bumps on the road and they stop half way at a buffet place where you pay for the weight of the food.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the great experience, I made sure to write some of your information down for when I go visit Rio and Sao.

Never went but I'm hoping to make it this year as it is one of my next destinations I want to see because after visiting Medellin I fell in love so I can only imagine over there.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]And back to our feature presentation.

So after my trip to SP I ventured across the land to the land of the cariocas.

TRAVEL.

You can easily get a 1 HR plane ride from SP to Rio as they have a plane leaving every hour using GOL, Latam and Azul.

Now these sons of onions want to charge you 200 up to 500 USD for one tickets or round trip if you book late. You should always book your flight from SP to Rio ahead of time to avoid this. Sometimes the price isn't too bad but if you book ahead of time they usually can be had for around $40 USD.

Since I wasn't sure if I was going to stay more time in SP I opted to get a leito cama bus from SP to Rio which is a 6 hour bus ride. So the thing about the leito cama is that it is a fully reclinable seat that is pretty much the ultimate lazy boy. You hardly feel any bumps on the road and they stop half way at a buffet place where you pay for the weight of the food....[/QUOTE]Great report!

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]And back to our feature presentation.So after my trip to SP I ventured across the land to the land of the cariocas. [/QUOTE]Another great report. Lots of details for everyone, especially for the uninitiated (newbies) to Rio.

Safety Note: When leaving 4 x4 late night just call Uber, wait inside until Uber pulls up.
Don't walk from 4 x4 late night alone unless you definitely know what you're doing or in a group.

Ok Rio it is. I was seriously considering Jaco but it's a bit out Of the way for my short weekend jaunt. I've always passed on Rio because I have limited time and SP is well known to be better for girls exclusively. But since I'm looking for a balance, Rio seems ideal.

Thanks for the insights from Bearsi, Wyatt and others. And who knows maybe I will fly up a girl from SP or SA in Rio and just do a GFE weekend. It's all good. Thanks again fellas.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2777440]Ok Rio it is. I was seriously considering Jaco but it's a bit out Of the way for my short weekend jaunt. I've always passed on Rio because I have limited time and SP is well known to be better for girls exclusively. But since I'm looking for a balance, Rio seems ideal.

Thanks for the insights from Bearsi, Wyatt and others. And who knows maybe I will fly up a girl from SP or SA in Rio and just do a GFE weekend. It's all good. Thanks again fellas.[/QUOTE]Looking at termas and boates I am considering 4 x4, Dolce Vita, and Solarium based on Bearsi's feedback. He's explained how they differ. What about Monte Carlo. Seems so convenient. What's wrong with it? Oh and Perola Negra. Thoughts?

Also almost everything seems closed Sunday. Dolce opens at 11 Pm. Any other suggestions?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2777472]Looking at termas and boates I am considering 4 x4, Dolce Vita, and Solarium based on Bearsi's feedback. He's explained how they differ. What about Monte Carlo. Seems so convenient. What's wrong with it? Oh and Perola Negra. Thoughts?

Also almost everything seems closed Sunday. Dolce opens at 11 Pm. Any other suggestions?[/QUOTE]There's nothing wrong with Monte Carlo. It's just smaller with fewer girls. If one is staying nearby in Copacabana, it's work a look. I'm not sure if I would make it a trip to go there. I have enjoyed 4 x 4 and Solarium more. The bar area in 4 x 4 usually has much more energy. However, some guys like to hit as many venues as possible. On a short trip, you should probably focus on a few.

Depending on your schedule, you might want to have made a connection before Sunday comes around. There is also a vibrant escort scene if you are looking for action Sunday afternoon.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032] And back to our feature presentation. So after my trip to SP I ventured across the land to the land of the cariocas.

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Beaches.

Copa is tourist hell as you constantly get bugged every 10 steps on the beach.
Ipanema is better but still have guys bugging you.
Barra has the best beaches where the only people who bother you are the beach chair people so not so bad. They also have nice beach club restaurants where in copa / ipa they just have little finger food booths.

Girls, girls, girls:

-4 X 4-. Still one of the best termas in Rio. I went here every other day while here.
Overall still top 3 places in Rio.

-SOLARIUM-. I believe this is the most upscaled place out of all the termas in rio. Not comparable to anything in SP but for rio it's the best you can get.
The girls here are so much nicer, friendly and hotter than any place I've been to thru out all 5 times I've been to rio. .[/QUOTE]So here are a few thoughts I have had after reading Bearsi's excellent RJ report:

Beaches: I am into natural beaches, so for me there is no stretch of beach in RJ better than the Praia the Reserva, Barra the Tijuca which begins at the Grand Hyatt. But it is not a pick-up beach. Ha Ha.

GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS: There are only 2 Termas in RJ that I really like. Solarium & 4 x 4. Bearsi describes them very accurately. I would only differ with him on the best time to visit 4 x 4. I prefer going later at night to catch the party party. On Dolce Vita & Casablanca: I really want to check these 2 joints out. I need more than my 2 favorite termas to justify another side trip to RJ and I believe I have it with these two bars or whatever they are called.

Prives: yeah, quality does matter. It is just my opinion, but SP clinicas are worth doing and I like them & with most RJ Prives not so much. I know some guys like the Prives and go to them a lot. That's fine with me. Do what makes you happy. But I am not a fan.

BarraVips: During the Covid lockdown I focused on this source, and I met a bunch of nice girls. The girls looked like their photos and service was always good, but I prefer going out rather than ordering in. Plain & simple.

Bringing Sand to the Beach: I particularly enjoyed reading this section of Bearsi's report. KKK. I have taken my favorite BKK girl to Phuket and I flew my favorite Yangon girl to BKK. Yeah, it's kinda crazy bringing sand to the beach, but I had a good time, both times, and the girls loved it, so what the fuck although normally it is a better idea to take favorite girls to some place that does not have girls. Like the time I took my 2 favorite Manila girls to Palawan. The 3 of us had a real good time on a beautiful natural beach. Or just this last November I took my favorite Scandallo girl, Valerie, to Maresias. That trip was so nice that I am going to take her to Ilhabela this June. She literally glowed when I asked her to go with me.

Lastly, I totally agree with Bearsi's conclusions: SP is better for girls by far and likewise SP is my new, post covid favorite girly destination which can be proven by the fact that I have still not returned to BKK, Pat, or Jakarta since they reopened and BTW since weed is now semi-legal and readily obtainable in BKK & Pattaya store fronts. I have fallen for Brazilian girls. What can I say? KKK.

As to RJ, it has beaches (urban except for the Barra Praia the Reserva) and the cityscape looks spectacular. RJ also has a decent nightlife, and therefore, it is definitely worth checking out or revisiting from time to time. It is a short flight from SP.

A. H.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2777276]I happen not to agree 100% with this description of all of Costa Rica, but I temper my remarks by noting that it's been a long time since I have been to Costa Rica, and it was all pre-pandemic. Now take a place like the Del Rey. When I used to go, by 7 pm it would be packed wall-to-wall with at least 200+ or so tutes up in there (lots of 7's and 8's). The music would be loud and people would be eating and drinking and talking and laughing. There was a tiny little casino area and people would be in there blowing some money. And mongers would be striking up deals with Ticas and Colombianas (and maybe a few Nicas, Panamenas, and Salvadorenas too) to get blown LOL! You could walk across "Gringo Gulch" to this little place across the street (forget the name of it) where there was live music and a restaurant. I remember there also was this club called "El Quartel" or something like that with people packed in standing shoulder to shoulder for live music. I went there one time with a blonde head turner from Colombia (doorman told me I was living "la pura vida" hahaha). Now, if you wanted an atmosphere that was more quiet and laid back with tutes "milling about", then that would be the Sportmens Lodge, which is still kicking.[/QUOTE]I think we are in general agreement on Costa Rica vs San Jose. I do think Steve could have a blast in CR, but I don't think it would be better than Rio. If he hasn't the time for Jaco, that rules out the beach. We also both find the Rio girls generally hotter than CR girls whether they are from a country near CR or a true Tica.

Steve is also posting on the San Jose board and getting a taste of the vibe. I think some of the members have confirmed the number of girls is down. The Del Rey is a shell of its former self. However I think we all know that if we are sitting across from a hotty that we are about to bed, it doesn't matter where we are at and how many girls are in the building.

Here are some key points between the two cities:

Rio is far more cosmopolitan than San Jose. Steve seems to like nice restaurants, bars and clubs, but again it's a short stopover. So perhaps he will focus on hooking up.

Rio has a beach right out the front door.

Rio girls are hotter, more adventurous and more diverse. If anal is your game, I think it's easier to find in Rio.

San Jose is easy to get to from North America, but Steve's itinerary has him in Sao Paulo.

Yeah San Jose is safer, but if you have navigated Sao Paulo I don't think Rio will intimidate you.

I do enjoy having small casinos and sports books all around in Gringo Gulch. Gringo Gulch is relatively compact. It's mongering central.

Indeed and excellent report. I thought I'd let everyone know about this and my own biological experiment.

[URL]https://interestingengineering.com/health/synthetic-tissue-erectile-pigs[/URL]

We must all bang hookers and have lots of enjoyable sex, cut out smoking, alcohol and get high intensity cardio happening (I'm doing all of that). Your corpus cavernosa and dorsal artery / vein will thank you with spontaneous pleasant hard erections. I have my own theory of regular BJ's with simultaneous testicle fondling and / or ass play by a beautiful young woman with CIM. So far the results of this long running experiment are positive. I have a convenient theory that girls benefit from this with better tooth enamel and other benefits, but sadly I do not do long follow up with the girls. But seems reasonable.

We should not rely on viagra and this type of stuff. May today bring another earth shattering orgasm to you. For a change today I'm seeing a big titted and highly experience MILF who wears a delicate chemise who is extremely skilled in this experiment and swallows, then a nice smile and kiss. It's a sort of housewife fetish, but very relaxing and chill, like an old friend, I've seen her maybe a dozen times and every time she surprises me with something new.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2777472]What about Monte Carlo. Seems so convenient. What's wrong with it?[/QUOTE]Nothing is intrinsically wrong with Monte Carlo. And depending on where you headquarter, it can be very convenient indeed. Another good thing about it is that it's one of the few termas that's open on Saturday. Every first visit to Rio should include a stop by Monte Carlo if you can fit it into your rotation. You might find something you like there. You might not. I did. A lot. Like "Michelle's" plump, round, ruiva bunda!

Bearsi is right about Arrial do Cabo that is in a national park and mostly protected from shitty developers. But add to that the nearby Saquarema and some places dotted along the coast heading east. A couple of hours flight north takes you to Salvadore in Bahia and for the adventurous, Itacare. This part of Brazil has gorgeous beaches, fresh seafood and Salvadore has a scene where you can get lovely young women on the usual sites plus a few discreet and stylish bordellos. Or BYO lady if going on a surfing, fishing or diving adventure. You can body massages on the beach too while you zone out on the sound of the ocean. After that, a nice meal and time for a BJ timed for sunset. Many Brazilians have not seen these places and happy to go, and if you treat them well like normal girl you will get some amazing GFE experiences.

This is the way life should be.

I've been to scandallo, and Perola, and I would tell you:

The best girls at Perola like Penelope are just as good or better than the girls at Scandallo -- but there is no beach in SP. Further, the best girls at the best prives in RJ are as good as the top SP girls.

I understand, there is more money and higher prices so that attracts the best girls from all over Brazil, so you can argue that SP has better talent, especially if your tastes are not for negras and mulattas.

That said, look at Barravips or Riosexsite.

[URL]https://barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

Correlate those top tier girls with good reviews on gpguia and gparena.

And make your list.

You can only fuck so many girls in a week or however long your trip is. RJ is a megacity of 12 m and SP of 20 m. You can't fuck all the girls on [URL]Barravipsrio.com[/URL] in your trip and say that Rio doesn't have the same talent as Scandallo. I've been to Scandallo, and the girls there are not any better than the top girls at Perola and Solarium and 4 x4 (if you actually live here, you realize they all go back and forth, and now, the best rio girls are going to SP, because they can find bigger suckers -- oh, I mean clients to pay them more in SP).

And for hot young girls of all colors, there is VM, and there you just take them to motel malaga or quintal real if you don't want to do the first fuck at VM.

Anyway, I've blocked all the usual suspects that I go back and forth with, and I don't really care -- the customer is always right, I've learned to say. But Rio is the best city in the world for mongering, IMHO, because of the beach, the waterfalls, the food, the culture, carnival, and the Rio attitude of Libertines. SP is business. And if you need to go to SP, it is a 50 dollar or less bus or plane ride away.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2776223]Yeah, there is no place in RJ that comes close to Scandello's league or even Bomboa (SP's #2 Boate). A fair brothel comparison for Perola Negra would be the Brooklin Club in SP.

And while we're on city vrs. City brothel comparisons: Casuara vs 4 x4 is an interesting matchup. Casarao has more girls and its girls are FL's. So, you can take the girls out of the club. 4 x4 girls work for the house and the girl's price is set by management. Both places are pretty amazing and have relatively similar pricing. I personally think Casarao has more, better looking girls than 4 x4, however.

Another very competitive brothel comparison would be Bahamas Club vs. Solarium. In this case I think the two clubs are pretty evenly matched. Girl quality is similar, the number of girls available is around the same, and prices are somewhat similar too although Bahamas is more expensive, and the decor is more upscale. But Bahamas girls are FL's and you can take them out of the club for the same fee as going upstairs. Solarium girls work for the club and prices are set by management. I like both places, but when I am in RJ I tend go to Solarium more often than I go to Bahamas Club when I am in SP because SP has bordello nightclubs like Scandalo & Bomboa and RJ just does not. Game, set, match![/QUOTE]

I went with my Thai lady friend to the Casablanca boate. It's expensive, the cheaprst lady drink is a 100 real bottle of champagne. A glass of whiskey with Coke is 500 reals. Entrance is 100 reals, which includes 2 drinks.

The bar opens at 22.00, but things don't get going until midnight. There are infrequent naked pole dances.

There are rooms in the back if you must go with a lady.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]And back to our feature presentation.[/QUOTE]Thanks much!

Week in baseball, noemie Michelle Obama bilas pernoite, ano novo.

So Vagabundo was a little hungover from ano novo. I took my girl and her friend and we went to copa for new years, last Saturday. We took a uber, with a bag of whiskey (old parr is her fav), red bull, and ice to a drop off point where we walked from posto 6 to copa palace where her other friends met us, and we did a foot patrol through the throng to a spot next to a band and PM station. I sang the Swiss Naval Infantry Anthem 4 times, and my high school and college fight songs during the 15 minutes of fireworks, and screamed and yelled and parties, drank whisky and red bull and smoked ganja. Pretty awesome experience, not unlike a mad minute in a defense against a million screaming Chinese hoards at the choosing resevoir, for those of you who have had that kind of experience. Stayed until dawn, saw the first sunrise of the year on copa beach. You should do this if you haven't. Definitely a check the box event. Then we tried and failed to get a cab for a reasonable fare, they were asking 250 reais to barra. So we took a bus. At barra, we took the dog to the beach, which was awesome. Hot ass girls there, Vagabundo being Vagabundo he chatted up the hot SP girls as soon as his girl was at the beach. So we slept, fucked. Repeat, rinse, repeat. 600 r for 3 or 4 days, and at least as much for whisky and churrasco. And so it goes.

Monday, Vagabundo went to centro and picked up Noemie bilas Michelle Obama and went to a hotel, lips, and did a pernoite which was 140 r for the hotel, and 300 for the girl, all bbfscip, just 2-3 hours of sport fucking with 4 pops.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576]I've been to scandallo, and Perola, and I would tell you:

The best girls at Perola like Penelope are just as good or better than the girls at Scandallo -- but there is no beach in SP. Further, the best girls at the best prives in RJ are as good as the top SP girls.

I understand, there is more money and higher prices so that attracts the best girls from all over Brazil, so you can argue that SP has better talent, especially if your tastes are not for negras and mulattas.

That said, look at Barravips or Riosexsite.

[URL]https://barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

Correlate those top tier girls with good reviews on gpguia and gparena.

And make your list..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Explorer8939;2777606]I went with my Thai lady friend to the Casablanca boate. It's expensive, the cheaprst lady drink is a 100 real bottle of champagne. A glass of whiskey with Coke is 500 reals. Entrance is 100 reals, which includes 2 drinks.

The bar opens at 22.00, but things don't get going until midnight. There are infrequent naked pole dances.

There are rooms in the back if you must go with a lady.[/QUOTE]Oops. Regular drinks are 50 reales, not 500. But beer is available for 25, which is the drink of choice.

[QUOTE=Bearsi;2777032]And back to our feature presentation.[/QUOTE]Great report and I truly enjoyed reading it!!

I have to agree with your views of the prives. It never made sense to me to do all that legwork just to bang someone who is a 3 to a 5 . But to each his own. I also feel that Rio gets real boring real quick. I prefer spending my time in SP. The women are hotter and the food is definitely better.

Reading your report is getting me excited for my trip in February.

I found a way to bypass the exit fee when you take a girl out of Dolce Vita. (DV charges either 75 or 100 R to take a girl out of the club with you, I think it's called a "desperta" fee on your bill).

The best way to bypass the fee? Just go up to the desk by yourself when you are paying the bill, don't have the garota standing next to you at the desk. When you get your receipt, go grab your girl and walk out of the club. They are not going to stop you at the bottom and make you go back upstairs to pay the fee. I did this multiple times on my trip last month and never had an issue, in addition, I figured they owed me money from all the times they ripped me off in the past.

Good News: I think someone must have said something to the owner / manager. The blonde woman who normally works the desk wasn't there for there during my entire vacation. They have some young guy working the desk now. I still go over the bill but he hasn't tried to rip me off the way the woman constantly did.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2777783]I found a way to bypass the exit fee when you take a girl out of Dolce Vita. (DV charges either 75 or 100 R to take a girl out of the club with you, I think it's called a "desperta" fee on your bill).

The best way to bypass the fee? Just go up to the desk by yourself when you are paying the bill, don't have the garota standing next to you at the desk. When you get your receipt, go grab your girl and walk out of the club. [/QUOTE]Why not just tell the girl to meet you outside?

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576]I've been to scandallo, and Perola, and I would tell you:

The best girls at Perola like Penelope are just as good or better than the girls at Scandallo -- but there is no beach in SP. Further, the best girls at the best prives in RJ are as good as the top SP girls. [/QUOTE]Hi Vagabundo, I will agree with you that there is some degree of overlap between not only a terma like Perola or my favorite Solarium and Scandallo, but also between an SP Clinica like Prime and Scandallo. For example, I once me a very pretty girl at Prime. She was wonderful. I felt she could easily have found a niche in the girl next door, Tier 2 category at Scandallo. But for some reason she chose to work at Prime where her cut of the 240 BR hourly session rate was around 120 BR vs. What she could have earned roughly 500 to 700 per session at Scandallo. Go figure. Maybe she felt more comfortable at Prime. Maybe she did not think she was good looking enough to make it work at Scandallo. All I know is she was a real find and I liked her a lot.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576] I understand, there is more money and higher prices so that attracts the best girls from all over Brazil, so you can argue that SP has better talent, especially if your tastes are not for negras and mulattas. [/QUOTE]I like girls from all ethnic backgrounds. One of the great things about Brazil is the variety of girls to choose from. But that said, I do have my preferences. I prefer slender, sexy, all natural girls with pretty faces and with friendly personalities to match. I do not like big butts or silly cones although if a girl has a really pretty face and her fake tits are reasonable, I will say let's get it on.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576]
That said, look at Barravips or Riosexsite.

[URL]https://barravipsrio.com/[/URL]

Correlate those top tier girls with good reviews on gpguia and gparena.

And make your list. [/QUOTE]Barravips, ClubModel, and MClass definitely have some top tier girls and I am sure some of these girls have worked at Scandallo or Bomboa. But once a girl achieves a certain level of clients there is little reason for her to show up at the Boate every night. They only come to the club when they feel like it. One of my favorite MClass girls, a really lovely girl, has been in Spain for 6 months. She must be raking in the cash. Another one I met at Scandallo is currently in India. India! She tells me she gets $1000 US / hour from her wealthy Indian gentlemen clients.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576] You can only fuck so many girls in a week or however long your trip is. RJ is a megacity of 12 m and SP of 20 m. You can't fuck all the girls on [URL]Barravipsrio.com[/URL] in your trip and say that Rio doesn't have the same talent as Scandallo. [/QUOTE]I think we are talking about 2 different things. While it is absolutely true that many BarraVips RJ girls could easily fit right in and do well at Scandallo, the issue for me is that I prefer to go out to find my girls rather than order in. It is the same story for me in SP, namely that there are some very attractive Tier 1 girls advertising their wares on BarraVips SP, MClass, & ClubModel, but I prefer to go out to find what I am looking for.

But I have noted that in the past you have posted about the number of BarraVip RJ girls that live at Hotel TransAmerica in Barra the Tijuca, so one night I chose to session with a BarraVip RJ girl at her place at TransAmerica. It turned out to be an interesting and productive night. After I said goodbye to my BarraVips girl, I hung around outside the TransAmerica near the bar. There were 4 girls inside and a couple of guys. An attractive blond walked outside the bar to have a smoke. She was wearing very tight-fitting jeans and I liked her look. So, I saw my opening and I approached her to ask to borrow her lighter for my Cohiba club mini cigar. We got to talking and the vibe was light and friendly. Ha Ha. Like you suggested, this is a great way to meet these girls.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576] I've been to Scandallo, and the girls there are not any better than the top girls at Perola and Solarium and 4 x4 (if you actually live here, you realize they all go back and forth, and now, the best rio girls are going to SP, because they can find bigger suckers -- oh, I mean clients to pay them more in SP). [/QUOTE]I agree, as I have said, there are some terma girls that could easily do well at Scandallo or Bomboa. They are not be what I consider Tier One model quality girls like a some hot BarraVips girls are, but rather what I call Tier 2 sexy girl next door types. Now don't get wrong, I find these Tier 2 types very attractive. I am just noting a difference in quality that is obvious to me at first glance. BTW, My favorite Scandallo girl is a Tier 2 sexy girl next door type and I just love her.

But my point is that when I am at Solarium, for example, I might like the look of 3 maybe 4 girls on a good night. Meanwhile on any Wednesday thru Friday night at Scandallo, except a national holiday night, I will see a combined total of say 25 to 40 Tier 1 & Tier 2 type girls that I like the look of out of a grand total of say 140 girls available. I can't shag them all, KKK, but having this huge selection of attractive girls to choose from is fantastic, and it means I can easily have a different quality girl or different quality girls (plural) every time I go to this Boate. And that is fucking amazing! How many honky tonks in the world can you do this at?

I realize that we are in different positions. You are a resident ex-pat and can enjoy one of the major benefits of your status which is having a super large file of WhatsApp numbers to choose from on any given night including national holiday nights. I, on the other hand, am a visitor so no matter how long my visits last; 6 weeks to 11 weeks or how many cumulative nights I have spent in Brazil; almost 6 months from April 2021 to November 2022 I remain basically a tourist. Still, I have my favorite repeat girls which include a couple of BarraVips, MClass, and ClubModel girls, but it is mostly composed of Boate girls. My favorite repeat girls take up at least half my nights in SP. They come to me, and I no longer have to contribute to their Boates. But I love variety and I like to get out on the town, so I wind up spending the other half of my travel time hunting for new girls at Scandallo, Bomboa, Casarao, and Bahamas. I love the hunt. You must too, but I don' t know how you managed to stay free and unencumbered considering all the time you have lived in RJ. I think I would have fallen for a local civilian by now if I were you. Ha Ha.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2777576] And for hot young girls of all colors, there is VM, and there you just take them to motel malaga or quintal real if you don't want to do the first fuck at VM.

Anyway, I've blocked all the usual suspects that I go back and forth with, and I don't really care -- the customer is always right, I've learned to say. But Rio is the best city in the world for mongering, IMHO, because of the beach, the waterfalls, the food, the culture, carnival, and the Rio attitude of Libertines. SP is business. And if you need to go to SP, it is a 50 dollar or less bus or plane ride away.[/QUOTE]This is what makes things interesting. It would be a very strange, monolithic world if we all agreed on who has the prettiest faces, the sexiest body types, the best bordellos & clubs, and the best cities to play our game. You prefer RJ. I prefer SP. I also like BKK, Jakarta, Pattaya, Phnom Penh, Macau, Manila, RJ, Yangon, AC, and even Singapore (Geylang, Brix, and Ipanema at the OT). I have not made it to the VM yet, but I will eventually go there to see what you are talking about. KKK.

Rock on,

A. H.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2777783]I found a way to bypass the exit fee when you take a girl out of Dolce Vita. (DV charges either 75 or 100 R to take a girl out of the club with you, I think it's called a "desperta" fee on your bill).

The best way to bypass the fee? Just go up to the desk by yourself when you are paying the bill, don't have the garota standing next to you at the desk. When you get your receipt, go grab your girl and walk out of the club. They are not going to stop you at the bottom and make you go back upstairs to pay the fee. I did this multiple times on my trip last month and never had an issue, in addition, I ifigured they owed me money from all the times they ripped me off in the past.

Good News: I think someone must have said something to the owner / manager. The blonde woman who normally works the desk wasnt there for there during my entire vacation. They have some young guy working the desk now. I still go over the bill but he hasnt tried to rip me off the way the woman constantly did.[/QUOTE]Surely you are only doing this to get back at the club for prior ripoffs? You wouldn't really begrudge them $20 US for taking one of their workers off the market would you? I would think they need those $20 to keep things running at a fairly prime location right?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2777799]Surely you are only doing this to get back at the club for prior ripoffs? You wouldn't really begrudge them $20 US for taking one of their workers off the market would you? I would think they need those $20 to keep things running at a fairly prime location right?[/QUOTE]Wrong. The girls are not their workers. The girls are freelance and go to the club to pick up tricks. It is just a normal club but they try to charge a guy if he leaves with one of the chicks that are inside looking for customers.

Layla Darkroom, Emporio -- Saturday special.

Vagabundo and a ISG wingman went to centro today via metro (see below for a transcript of the banter on the zap group). First we hit emporio, where Vagabundo did a 19 year old mulatta, super nice ass, porn star quality bod, but predictably, so so performance, BBBJ (going back and forth with a joint and my dick in her mouth, which the girls appreciate, just make sure the air is running before the session starts). Bending over a girl with an ass this fine is like taking a 18 year old kira noir doggy style, and while fucking her with my (covered unfortunately) bratwurst, I shot a wad into the latex (skyn brand always in Brazil). That's 90 reais, or 18 dollars or less.

Then we had some pasta at spoleto, always recommended. Rua do rosario 135.

Then we went up to [URL]darkroom.com.br[/URL], where I hit a negra with a super hot bunda, layla. Much better performance from the 26 year old! DFK, nasty hot BBBJ (garganta profunda, chupa meu saco, ie, deep throat, suck my balls). Bent her over and fucked her, while telling her how I wanted to take her to a swing with barbara, a white girl who said she preferred to be submissive in duplas, who I said we would make her escrava (slave) in a show ao vivo (live sex show). Layla has a super nice ass, and is good people and the sex, even in a half hour is good and as hot and nasty as you want to be. My wingman wanted her number, and I got it for him, even though he does not like the cabines at darkroom, which I can understand. You can hear the customer fucking the girl next door loudly. On the plus side as I commented upon below, one could run a business on the wifi at darkroom from the bar, which other prives lack, not to mention from 4 x4, which is better than sitting inside one's room and running a business from either barra or anywhere in the world. If that nasty, pasty FTX crew had a few real brazilian girls to bang not those other nasty pasty nerds in the Bahamas, I am sure they would have done much better in their actual crypto trading and would still be afloat as they would better understand the value of a dollar in relation to the BRL exchange rate.

Layla. Yet another winner at Darkroom. I hate the need to get a stupid card everytime one enters, but I also understand security, so it goes.

[URL]https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=EOs0qeiJyIg[/URL]

"Layla".

("Crossroads" Version).

See if you can spot this one?

What will you do when you get lonely.

No one waiting by your side?

You've been running, hiding much too long.

You know it's just your foolish pride.

Layla, got me on my knees.

Layla, begging, darling, please Layla.

Darling, won't you ease my worried mind?

Tried to give you consolation.

Your old man had let you down.

Like a fool, I fell in love with you.

You turned my whole world upside down.

Layla, got me on my knees.

Layla, I'm begging, darling, please Layla.

Darling, won't you ease my worried mind?

Make the best of the situation.

Before I finally go insane.

Please don't say we'll never find a way.

Tell me all my love's in vain.

Layla, got me on my knees.

Layla, I'm begging, darling, please Layla.

Darling, won't you ease my worried mind?

(Yeah, yeah).

Layla, got me on my knees.

Layla, begging, darling, please Layla.

Darling, won't you ease my worried mind?

(Yeah, yeah).

Layla, got me on my knees.

Layla, begging, darling, please Layla.

Darling, won't you ease my worried mind?

Layla, got me on my knees.

Layla, begging, darling, please Layla.

Darling, won't you ease my worried mind?

Thank you.

8:51 AM, 1/7/2023 Professor Jose: who wants to do centro prives, 90 r for 30 minute specials today?

8:53 AM, 1/7/2023 : wtf is that green stuff on the beach.

8:54 AM, 1/7/2023 first time in Rio in which I saw these.

9:00 AM, 1/7/2023 how fo the prives on centro work?

9:00 AM, 1/7/2023 I never went.

:30 AM, 1/7/2023 You go, girls line up, you pick a girl, 90 reais Half hour, Saturday special, go on metro and get off at metro uruguiana, 12-3 are hours. Meet at metro jardim oceanico at 11 h.

9:30 AM, 1/7/2023 Prives are the sweet spot of the market.

9:36 AM, 1/7/2023 If SP had a beach it would be different 😁.

9:38 AM, 1/7/2023 Santos beach is a 90 minute Uber away. That is closest. The whole experience is the thing for me. Yes sex on demand but also the beach before and after and swimming etc.

9:40 AM, 1/7/2023 Everyone has a different list, having lived in my top 4. I would say MDE is a distant 4th or maybe even 5th (I have lived in MDE). And I say that as an absolute lover of Latin women.

9:40 AM, 1/7/2023 Porto allegre is underrated, and so is Florida.

9:41 AM, 1/7/2023: Floripa.

9:41 AM, 1/7/2023: lets make that 11:30.

10:03 AM, 1/7/2023: K.

10:04 AM, 1/7/2023: But Santos is really crap compare to Rio. So corrupted. Majority of high level paulista don't go here anymore. Bars and restaurant offers is low.

In sex there is Nothing at all. 2 Poor clubs I tried with few girls. Nothing on website either. Forums like Gpguia or cucuta have a litoral section which is empty.

10:56 AM, 1/7/2023:11:30 meeting metro jardim oceanico still stands?

10:59 AM, 1/7/2023: Yes.

10:59 AM, 1/7/2023: alright see you there.

11:20 AM, 1/7/2023: In station.

11:28 AM, 1/7/2023: Waiting down by tracks platform 2 direction uruguai.

11:29 AM, 1/7/2023: how do I get in.

11:29 AM, 1/7/2023: I will wait by turnstile.

11:29 AM, 1/7/2023: You need a card.

11:30 AM, 1/7/2023 I'm here.

11:38 AM, 1/7/2023: Vagabundo and chege headed to darkroom and emporio do banho.

2:24 PM, 1/7/2023 As far as coworking spaces in Rio Centro, darkroom and 4 x4 have wifi and are motivational spaces to work.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2777743]...I have to agree with your views of the prives. It never made sense to me to do all that legwork just to bang someone who is a 3 to a 5....[/QUOTE]I think it depends on the context. Let's look at it as a math problem, and these are some variables.

[B]Lodging[/B]:
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Transportation[/B]:
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Food[/B]
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Girl[/B][INDENT]
How many times do you have paid sex a year. ([b]total session cost[/b]) is roughly ([b]session cost [/b]) x ([b]session count[/b])
[/INDENT].

These are some variables the determine the total cost. I think out of pocket cost is different for each person. One has to look at the number to see if it makes sense. Obviously, most people will pay the girl out of their own pocket but if the trip is paid by work, then one can pay more for the girl. If one's time here is short, one pays more for one's time.

If one is here 6 months and has one or two sessions a day, then it is ideal to reduce session cost. The prives offer the lowest base price so it makes sense. The prives often is the first stop for new girls, so are other places. One only needs one girl so it does not matter even most are ugly. One can grab the fresh one, then wait for opportunity to upgrade. There are many people value freshness over look.

Personally, the look becomes far less important when the sex is really good so I start to look for great sex, instead of the best looking girls but I will still try when I meet one. LOL

[QUOTE=Nounce;2777810]I think it depends on the context. Let's look at it as a math problem, and these are some variables.

[B]Lodging[/B]:
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Transportation[/B]:
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Food[/B]
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Girl[/B][INDENT]
How many times do you have paid sex a year. ([b]total session cost[/b]) is roughly ([b]session cost [/b]) x ([b]session count[/b])
[/INDENT].

These are some variables the determine the total cost. I think out of pocket cost is different for each person. One has to look at the number to see if it makes sense. Obviously, most people will pay the girl out of their own pocket but if the trip is paid by work, then one can pay more for the girl. If one's time here is short, one pays more for one's time.

If one is here 6 months and has one or two sessions a day, then it is ideal to reduce session cost. The prives offer the lowest base price so it makes sense. The prives often is the first stop for new girls, so are other places. One only needs one girl so it does not matter even most are ugly. One can grab the fresh one, then wait for opportunity to upgrade. There are many people value freshness over look.

Personally, the look becomes far less important when the sex is really good so I start to look for great sex, instead of the best looking girls but I will still try when I meet one. LOL[/QUOTE]Completely agree. And that is why I added "to each his own".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777802]Wrong. The girls are not their workers. The girls are freelance and go to the club to pick up tricks. It is just a normal club but they try to charge a guy if he leaves with one of the chicks that are inside looking for customers.[/QUOTE]Every girl you see in Scandallo, Bomboa, Casarao is a FL too, but that does not stop the boate from charging customers a takeaway fee in lieu of the in-house hotel fee. The girls have to abide by certain time rules set by the boate, but only if they want to gain free entry to the club. A lot of the top tier girls don't give a shit about that and show up whenever they feel like it and yeah, they pay the entry fee which I believe at Scandallo is 200 BR or 250 BR except on special entertainment nights when a girl's entry fee is upped to 500 BR.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2777783]I found a way to bypass the exit fee when you take a girl out of Dolce Vita. (DV charges either 75 or 100 R to take a girl out of the club with you, I think it's called a "desperta" fee on your bill).

The best way to bypass the fee? Just go up to the desk by yourself when you are paying the bill, don't have the garota standing next to you at the desk. When you get your receipt, go grab your girl and walk out of the club. They are not going to stop you at the bottom and make you go back upstairs to pay the fee. I did this multiple times on my trip last month and never had an issue, in addition, I ifigured they owed me money from all the times they ripped me off in the past.

Good News: I think someone must have said something to the owner / manager. The blonde woman who normally works the desk wasnt there for there during my entire vacation. They have some young guy working the desk now. I still go over the bill but he hasnt tried to rip me off the way the woman constantly did.[/QUOTE]Are we talking about freelance girls? Do they have some sort of arrangement with DV? Do they pay entry fee? What are the terms as explained to you as a customer?

Senor nounce, I concur, and thanks for the analysis.

The simple fact is that if you are here, you see that the same girls work in prives as in boates, it's just a matter of which hours they want. Tier 1 prives like bel prazer have the same girls as boates like 4 x4 who started in VM -- indeed, the new porn star lorena green in some of the new videos by the porn actor / director mambo perv on [URL]analvids.com[/URL] specifically was identified to me as a girl who worked in VM and in a boate.

You also realize the same girls who work in solarium one week are in perola negra the other week.

But that said, the customer is always right. If he paid for the girl and he had a good roll in the hay, it's a rounding error on what a rich world investor sees in daily profit and loss, even if he picked the most expensive girl at 4 x4, which may be the optimal place to run said investments, reclining on the lawn chairs in the steam room, which is the ideal place to get numbers, the paying customers who pay full price for a hour be damned, the long term intelligent investor gets the same pussy for a full night for the same price. That customer, the vagabundo, is always right too!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2777810]I think it depends on the context. Let's look at it as a math problem, and these are some variables.

[B]Lodging[/B]:
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Transportation[/B]:
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Food[/B]
[INDENT]
Out of your own pocket or paid by work
[/INDENT]
[B]Girl[/B][INDENT]
How many times do you have paid sex a year. ([b]total session cost[/b]) is roughly ([b]session cost [/b]) x ([b]session count[/b])
[/INDENT].

These are some variables the determine the total cost. I think out of pocket cost is different for each person. One has to look at the number to see if it makes sense. Obviously, most people will pay the girl out of their own pocket but if the trip is paid by work, then one can pay more for the girl. If one's time here is short, one pays more for one's time.

If one is here 6 months and has one or two sessions a day, then it is ideal to reduce session cost. The prives offer the lowest base price so it makes sense. The prives often is the first stop for new girls, so are other places. One only needs one girl so it does not matter even most are ugly. One can grab the fresh one, then wait for opportunity to upgrade. There are many people value freshness over look.

Personally, the look becomes far less important when the sex is really good so I start to look for great sex, instead of the best looking girls but I will still try when I meet one. LOL[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777802]Wrong. The girls are not their workers. The girls are freelance and go to the club to pick up tricks. It is just a normal club but they try to charge a guy if he leaves with one of the chicks that are inside looking for customers.[/QUOTE]Exactly! A poor punter walks in for 50, buys loads of drinks for himself and a girl (at, let's say, quite elevated prices), and they have an audacity to charge the dude another 100 for finding a company. For 150 reals you can get a good 1-hour session in Centro, so screw that. I'm with Bravo on this.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2777901]Exactly! A poor punter walks in for 50, buys loads of drinks for himself and a girl (at, let's say, quite elevated prices), and they have an audacity to charge the dude another 100 for finding a company. For 150 reals you can get a good 1-hour session in Centro, so screw that. I'm with Bravo on this.[/QUOTE]It is called free choice. The boate is not forcing anyone to enter its establishment and hook up with a girl. If you don't like the pricing structure don't go. Following the OP's suggestion to its logical conclusion it is ok to skip out on a restaurant bill if the back door next to the bathroom is left open.

I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and I thought she was talking Reals so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.

I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo. Do they still do that today?

Back then it was 3. 5 are per dollar. Now it's 5. 24 are per dollar.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778066]I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and I thought she was talking Reals so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.

I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo. Do they still do that today?

Back then it was 3. 5 are per dollar. Now it's 5. 24 are per dollar.[/QUOTE]I'm a gringo and never had a Brazilian girl try to negotiate with me in dollars. Its always been in reals. In fact, the only places where I personally have been where the girls have spoken to me in dollars are Panama (where the dollar is legal tender) and in Costa Rica (super heavy concentration of gringos dominating the monger population at tourist venues).

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778055]It is called free choice. The boate is not forcing anyone to enter its establishment and hook up with a girl. If you don't like the pricing structure don't go. Following the OP's suggestion to its logical conclusion it is ok to skip out on a restaurant bill if the back door next to the bathroom is left open.[/QUOTE]I can understand entrance fees, overpriced drinks, etc but why would I pay a take out fee if all the girls are freelancers and do not work for boate? I don't get. Whether I hook up with a girl or not, is not their business.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777789]Why not just tell the girl to meet you outside?[/QUOTE]I don't see why this is even something to debate about. If you don't want to pay what amounts to a bar fine, even if it is small, just tell the girl to meet you outside. Problem solved!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778076]I can understand entrance fees, overpriced drinks, etc but why would I pay a take out fee if all the girls are freelancers and do not work for boate? I don't get. Whether I hook up with a girl or not, is not their business.[/QUOTE]Miami, I am not going to debate with you on your personal preferences and price points. These independent girls choose to ply their trade at DV and as the OP posted, "DV charges either 75 or 100 are to take a girl out of the club with you, <snip it's called a "desperta" fee on your bill. " In addition, a takeout fee is in the price structure of every boate that I know of in SP and as well as DV here in RJ. So, there is nothing new here. No sudden surprises or hidden fees.

MY point is that if you don't like the pricing structure of DV, or Scandallo, Bomboa, or Casarao in SP, or any bordello, club or Go Go worldwide, then DON'T GO TO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS! It is that simple. Or as Vagabunda once suggested, go there to collect WhatsApp numbers and try to hook up with the girls later. But trying to sneak out of a Boate with a girl without paying the "desperta" fee or as it is known in Thailand, the "barfine" is a bad move for a number of reasons including one's personal safety. KKK. But hey, do what you like. I am not your father.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778076]I can understand entrance fees, overpriced drinks, etc but why would I pay a take out fee if all the girls are freelancers and do not work for boate? I don't get. Whether I hook up with a girl or not, is not their business.[/QUOTE]Exactly Miami Boy, I couldn't agree more ! That ridiculous analogy of running out of a restaurant and not paying the bill in no way compares to what DV is doing. Not only do we pay an entrance fee, but the club pays the girls a cut of your drink bill. I was one of those idiots who didn't believe that until someone had me stand there and watch. (There is a reason why the girls stopped asking for Red Bull and Vodka and now they all want the 75 R Gin and Tonic drink).

So. If I pay an entrance fee, I buy my drinks, I buy the girls drinks, and the female gets a cut of my bill, why the fuck would I pay a 100 R exit fee for a freelancer?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778055]It is called free choice. The boate is not forcing anyone to enter its establishment and hook up with a girl. If you don't like the pricing structure don't go. Following the OP's suggestion to its logical conclusion it is ok to skip out on a restaurant bill if the back door next to the bathroom is left open.[/QUOTE]High horses are beautiful creatures, but I find it difficult to climb one in my old age, LOL.

By your logic, it'd be a huge no-no to get a phone number from a terma girl to meet her later. Even more so because a terma girl actually works for her establishment, she's not a freelancer.

In case of DV, I'm sure they're well aware of the game, and they know they'll still be ahead after the entrance fee and the drinks you buy at roughly $10 each. Like you said, it's a free choice. You can happily pay their barfine if you feel like it.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778066]I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and [b]I thought she was talking Reals[/b] so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.

I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo. Do they still do that today?

Back then it was 3. 5 are per dollar. Now it's 5. 24 are per dollar.[/QUOTE]You thought right. This is the oldest trick in the book.

I remember the cheapest girl I had at Mabs cost me around $US40 whatever the exchange rate was back then, although they always start around $100+. Your girl's claiming she meant 250 dollars is quite funny, IMHO.

I hope you "renegotiated" her to her place, LOL.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2778136]

You thought right. This is the oldest trick in the book.

I remember the cheapest girl I had at Mabs cost me around $US40 whatever the exchange rate was back then, although they always start around $100+. Your girl's claiming she meant 250 dollars is quite funny, IMHO.

I hope you "renegotiated" her to her place, LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes, I negotiated with her for a lower price but I don't remember the exact amount. It's been a long time. It was more prevalent picking up girls from Mabs or Help. They always tried quoting in dollars without actually saying it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2778136]By your logic, it'd be a huge no-no to get a phone number from a terma girl to meet her later. Even more so because a terma girl actually works for her establishment, she's not a freelancer. [/QUOTE]You misunderstand me. A girl's time off is a girl's time off. She is entitled to do whatever she wants when she is off the clock.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778093]
if you don't like the pricing structure of DV, or Scandallo, Bomboa, or Casarao in SP, or any bordello, club or Go Go worldwide, then DON'T GO TO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS! It is that simple. Or as Vagabunda once suggested, go there to collect WhatsApp numbers and try to hook up with the girls later. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2778136]
In case of DV, I'm sure they're well aware of the game, and they know they'll still be ahead after the entrance fee and the drinks you buy at roughly $10 each. Like you said, it's a free choice. You can happily pay their barfine if you feel like it. [/QUOTE]So you are saying the desperta fee or barfine is optional? KKK. That's crazy. If it were optional everyone would choose not to pay it and the little dodge the OP suggested to avoid paying it would not be necessary. So, I don't think the bar is aware of what he is doing, but they will catch on sooner or later. You can be sure of that.

I don't employ the get her phone number 1st strategy for the simple reason that I go to termas and boates to get laid not to pick up phone numbers. But after an initial in-house session, I will exchange whatsapp numbers with the girls I really like. For me this works better with SP Freelance Boate girls than Terma girls because Boate girls have a lot more leisure time on the hands. In any case, I currently have several girls whom I originally met and shagged-in house at Scandallo, Bomboa, Casarao, and Bahamas and who now come see me at my hotel whenever I want and we have very good relationships. I posted about my Scandallo & Bombao girls many times.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778066]I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and I thought she was talking Reals so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.
I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo. Do they still do that today?
Back then it was 3. 5 are per dollar. Now it's 5. 24 are per dollar.[/QUOTE]It is absolutely your responsibility to Negotiate at the start / during / end that you quote in local currency. It is the girl's job to misdirect you gringos to pay in USD or Euros. Don't fall for the trickery. You started the negotiations by asking how much. If you don't understand Portuguese, your phone is your friend just put $R in front of your number. I. e. , $R250 or R$250 or $250R, you know what I mean.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778093]But trying to sneak out of a Boate with a girl without paying the "desperta" fee or as it is known in Thailand, the "barfine" is a bad move for a number of reasons including one's personal safety. KKK. But hey, do what you like. I am not your father.[/QUOTE]The girls are employees of the places you pay a barfine to take them out of. They get paid a salary. The girls in DV are customers of the establishment the same as the men are. If they do not find a man to go with, then DV gives them necas de pitibiriba (not a got damn thing) to take home.

At LA Cafe in Manila, which is also a freelance bar, the girl has to buy a drink and she is good. If she leaves with a guy and has not bought a drink or has not gotten a guy to buy a drink for her, then she will not be allowed in the next time. This is where I learned to just meet the girl outside around the corner. If the establishment does not see her leaving with a guy then they are square. And the chicks are the ones that taught me to do this.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778066]I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and I thought she was talking Reals so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.

I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo.[/QUOTE]Same exact thing happened to me with my first freelancer in Rio 21 years ago. I do not remember if it was in front of Mabs or Help or Meia Pataca that I found her, but her name was Amanda. She said 100. The next morning I handed her 100 reais (just over $25 at the time). She said it was supposed to be US $100.

I was like why would I have dollars in Brazil? She left upset talking about she was going to get the police or some gangsters or somebody. I did not speak Portuguese at the time. (As a matter of fact, she kept sniffing and pointing to her nose. So I gave her a Sudafed. Days or months or years later realized she was asking for cocaine.) She definitely had to be trying to put one over on me, because thereafter for years on end I was giving chicks from Help 100 reais for all night without a complaint.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2777789]Why not just tell the girl to meet you outside?[/QUOTE]Honest answer? I don't know if the girls get a cut of the exit fee or not. I might be just reaching for straws, but it's a hell of a coincidence that every time I tell a garota that I am going to go pay my bill, they All decide to stand next to me at the desk. So, I bypass that, by just paying my bill alone.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778093]Miami, I am not going to debate with you on your personal preferences and price points. These independent girls choose to ply their trade at DV and as the OP posted, "DV charges either 75 or 100 are to take a girl out of the club with you, <snip it's called a "desperta" fee on your bill. " In addition, a takeout fee is in the price structure of every boate that I know of in SP and as well as DV here in RJ. So, there is nothing new here. No sudden surprises or hidden fees.

MY point is that if you don't like the pricing structure of DV, or Scandallo, Bomboa, or Casarao in SP, or any bordello, club or Go Go worldwide, then DON'T GO TO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS! It is that simple. Or as Vagabunda once suggested, go there to collect WhatsApp numbers and try to hook up with the girls later. But trying to sneak out of a Boate with a girl without paying the "desperta" fee or as it is known in Thailand, the "barfine" is a bad move for a number of reasons including one's personal safety. KKK. But hey, do what you like. I am not your father.[/QUOTE]The takeout fee a DV is just a money grab and was never part of their price structure. This new fee might not even be a year old. I agree with having the girl meet you outside.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778066]I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and I thought she was talking Reals so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.

I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo. Do they still do that today?

Back then it was 3. 5 are per dollar. Now it's 5. 24 are per dollar.[/QUOTE]If the girl just says 250 adding nothing more she means Reals. If she wants $US she would say 250 dollars. If she said 250 with nothing more and after the deed asks for US $250 she's trying to pull one over you.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778159]Yes, I negotiated with her for a lower price but I don't remember the exact amount. It's been a long time. It was more prevalent picking up girls from Mabs or Help. They always tried quoting in dollars without actually saying it.[/QUOTE]Oh, I knew when they were asking for exactly 100 dollars. On a busy night, some of the top talent at Help would ask for and often receive 100 dollars. I indulged a couple times at that price.

If not made clear, it's so easy to specifically note "Reais" in negotiations that I don't remember ever having any misunderstanding. Again, problem solved.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2778076]I can understand entrance fees, overpriced drinks, etc but why would I pay a take out fee if all the girls are freelancers and do not work for boate? I don't get. Whether I hook up with a girl or not, is not their business.[/QUOTE]Well DV doesn't charge the girls anything for entrance or drinks in order to entice them to come in so we have a lot to choose from. So they charge the monger to make up for what the girls didn't pay. They have to make money some how otherwise they would go out of business and then where would we go. That’s not to say they wouldn’t steal from you because they will so you have to question everything and they have answers for everything too.

[QUOTE=DustyRode;2778066]I have a question about negotiating the price of a freelancer.

The last time I was there 20 years ago, I checked into my hotel and walked a couple of blocks to Mabs. A girl approached me almost immediately and asked if I wanted to hook up. We negotiated 250 and I thought she was talking Reals so I said "sure". I had a girl in my room one hour after arriving in Rio but before we did anything I thought I should verify the amount in Reals rather than dollars.

I found out she was quoting dollars. So I had to renegotiate. I found out that the girls try to negotiate in dollars because I am a gringo. Do they still do that today?

Back then it was 3. 5 are per dollar. Now it's 5. 24 are per dollar.[/QUOTE]20 to 22 years ago this was very common to ask for dollars and not reais because the dollar was very strong and the real would weaken week to week. Girls were hoarding 100 dollar bills because next week they got more reais. They thought they were going to get rich holding dollars but it never happened. Just as soon as the dollar almost hit 4 reais it started to slide in the next couple of years to something like 1 dollar got 1. 65 reais. I knew one girl from south of Brazil who had a large stack of 100's who was told by one of her customers who was in finance that it was going to 5. 5 or 6, I hope she converted before it hit 1. 65. If she asked you for 250 dollars that was extremely rich 20 years ago as well as today.

The last time a girl played the dollar switcheroo was in 1999. Told me "1 hundred" in club help and then specified that she meant dollars when it was time to pay in the morning. We were taking the elevator down so I could catch a cab to the airport, so she was SOL. Even if we couldn't agree on the price, unless she was going with me to the airport, there wasn't much she could do about it.

Something I have noticed recently is the girl from DV saying that "they are going to stay all night". So we leave the club at 3:45 AM, get back to the hotel, take a shower have sex and then the next thing you know she is getting up to get dressed. When I said "You told me all night in the club". She pulled back the drapes and showed me the 5 AM sunrise, smiled and said "See? All night, it's a new day". I didn't mind because I don't like taking a new garota for an all-night session, so I just paid her and walked her to the elevator.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2778400]Oh, I knew when they were asking for exactly 100 dollars. On a busy night, some of the top talent at Help would ask for and often receive 100 dollars. I indulged a couple times at that price.

If not made clear, it's so easy to specifically note "Reais" in negotiations that I don't remember ever having any misunderstanding. Again, problem solved.[/QUOTE]That's what I did after the first time. I negotiated with all the girls in Reais but some girls knew the conversion rate and tried to convince me that paying $R100 was too low based on the price of the dollar. It's been so long that I don't remember the exact numbers that we landed on but I wasn't going to be a pushover.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2778448]Something I have noticed recently is the girl from DV saying that "they are going to stay all night". So we leave the club at 3:45 AM, get back to the hotel, take a shower have sex and then the next thing you know she is getting up to get dressed. [b]When I said "You told me all night in the club". She pulled back the drapes and showed me the 5 AM sunrise, smiled and said "See? All night, it's a new day"[/b]. I didn't mind because I don't like taking a new garota for an all-night session, so I just paid her and walked her to the elevator.[/QUOTE]LOL!! Oh my, I had a good laugh out of that!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778178]You misunderstand me. A girl's time off is a girl's time off. She is entitled to do whatever she wants when she is off the clock.

I don't employ the get her phone number 1st strategy for the simple reason that I go to termas and boates to get laid not to pick up phone numbers. But after an initial in-house session, I will exchange whatsapp numbers with the girls I really like. For me this works better with SP Freelance Boate girls than Terma girls because Boate girls have a lot more leisure time on the hands. In any case, I currently have several girls whom I originally met and shagged-in house at Scandallo, Bomboa, Casarao, and Bahamas and who now come see me at my hotel whenever I want and we have very good relationships. I posted about my Scandallo & Bombao girls many times.[/QUOTE]Well, in some ways I'm with you on that. I also come to termas with an intent of getting laid, not getting a number. DV, however, is different. Like Mr. E says, the girls are not DV's employees. Their primary value for the establishment is to attract male customers who pay the entry fee and buy drinks. So no, my conscience won't bother me one bit to keep my 100 to myself.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2778178]So you are saying the desperta fee or barfine is optional? KKK. That's crazy. If it were optional everyone would choose not to pay it and the little dodge the OP suggested to avoid paying it would not be necessary. So, I don't think the bar is aware of what he is doing, but they will catch on sooner or later. You can be sure of that.[/QUOTE]And what would they do? Ban me from the establishment? Yeah, that'll show me, LOL.

Just curious, has any of you guys ever been to the legendary Hungry Duck in Moscow back in the 90's? I mean, imagine if the knew the concept of barfine, LOL.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2778603]...Like Mr. E says, the girls are not DV's employees. ...[/QUOTE]If DV wants to charge the fee, it should regulate the girl and not let them come and go as pleased.

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I took her to motel lips in centro, 140 r for overnight, and 400 for her. 4 pops BBFS, hours total of fucking. Used the hidro, which is nice. Checked the box. What's the answer to sexual health and endurance? 19 year old bare pussy.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2778676]If DV wants to charge the fee, it should regulate the girl and not let them come and go as pleased.[/QUOTE]Yep, I was going to say the same thing. In all the main line SP boates there is an exit fee, but it is on the girl if she wants to leave early. This girly exit fee is equal to the hotel room fee so customers can choose either way, but nobody skips out in an SP boate with a girl without paying for it. So, it seems like DV has made a mistake by leaving such loophole in place. But I have no doubt they will eventually figure it out and make the necessary adjustment.

SP Boates will also charge girls an entry fee unless she commits to a minimum number of nights per week and corresponding hours. The House keeps track of it all. That is why there are 2 work shifts at Scandallo. My Valerie, for example, does the night shift 10 pm until closing time 4 nights a week. She used to be assigned her nights, but now she gets to choose her nights which are Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. I have met other girls that prefer Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday nights and still other girls that prefer the afternoon shift. The girls are still independent contractors IE FL's, but if they want to ply their trade at Scandallo and enter for free they must comply with these rules. Of course, there are always the super model types who come and go as they please because their price is so high they do not give a shit about entry and exit fees. It is interesting to see the handful of knockouts just arriving at Scandallo at around 11:30 pm Thursday or Friday night, the 2 busiest nights of the week.

P.S. I now understand Bravo & Evac305's point. If I had been a regular DV customer for years I too would resent the new policy and try to find a get around. But since my first introduction to the Boate world was in SP, I take for granted the exit fee as a given fact of life until I hook up with girls I really like and then we take our ongoing relationship away from the boate completely. The girls are very amenable to taking it out of the boate realm because it is not fun for them being stuck at their boate until closing time. They all tell me it gets very slow and boring in the late, late, early morning hours.

One of my regular non-pros just landed a job and is very happy.

Cleaning job, 4 hours per day and 5 days a week = for 600 reals a month.

Good to keep in mind and as a reference when discussing prices with our regulars.

[QUOTE=Junior;2778732]One of my regular non-pros just landed a job and is very happy.

Cleaning job, 4 hours per day and 5 days a week = for 600 reals a month.

Good to keep in mind and as a reference when discussing prices with our regulars.[/QUOTE]I know a super cute 19-year-old who works in a warehouse 6 days a week, 10 hours a day for 1400 reais a month. So, when these garotas ask for 500 R / HR, I just shake my head.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2778852]I know a super cute 19-year-old who works in a warehouse 6 days a week, 10 hours a day for 1400 reais a month. So, when these garotas ask for 500 R / HR, I just shake my head.[/QUOTE]Are you sure she's not pulling your leg? That would be below the absolute minimum wage in Brazil (recalculating for the 8-hour work day) in 2023.

[QUOTE]WHAT IS MINIMUM WAGE IN BRAZIL?

Minimum Wages in Brazil increased to 1302 BRL/Month (250.379 USD/Month) in January 2023. The maximum rate of minimum wage for employees was 1100 BRL/Month and minimum was 64.79 BRL/Month.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]WHAT IS AVERAGE WAGE IN BRAZIL?

Average Wages in Brazil increased to 2754 BRL/Month (529.603 USD/Month) in October 2022. The maximum rate of average wage for employees was 2589 BRL/Month and minimum was 2265 BRL/Month.[/QUOTE][URL]https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/wages/brazil[/URL]

Absolutely true!

Men come here from the rich world and haven't gotten laid in two months and ridiculously overpay. The customer is always right, I guess, but that sound you hear coming out of her mouth might appear to be an orgasm but it is really a laugh. And you are the joke, if you don't know who the fool in the room is.

[QUOTE=Bravo;2778852]I know a super cute 19-year-old who works in a warehouse 6 days a week, 10 hours a day for 1400 reais a month. So, when these garotas ask for 500 R / HR, I just shake my head.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2778988]Absolutely true!

Men come here from the rich world and haven't gotten laid in two months and ridiculously overpay. The customer is always right, I guess, but that sound you hear coming out of her mouth might appear to be an orgasm but it is really a laugh. And you are the joke, if you don't know who the fool in the room is.[/QUOTE]This is true all over the world.

I believe you and some other residents have said foreigners don't impact the Brazilian market. That it's too big and has too many local mongers. Yet, some members seem to get perturbed by people overpaying in Brazil.

Obviously it doesn't do anybody any good throwing money around.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2778988]Absolutely true!

Men come here from the rich world and haven't gotten laid in two months and ridiculously overpay. The customer is always right, I guess, but that sound you hear coming out of her mouth might appear to be an orgasm but it is really a laugh. And you are the joke, if you don't know who the fool in the room is.[/QUOTE]There's a lot of great info in this thread, but wanted to ask you in particular about a Seeking date for example since you're a local. How much would you say was a reasonable amount for a 3/4 hour date from Seeking? I know it will vary by girl but wanted to get a range from your point of view. Thank you.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2779302]There's a lot of great info in this thread, but wanted to ask you in particular about a Seeking date for example since you're a local. How much would you say was a reasonable amount for a 3/4 hour date from Seeking? I know it will vary by girl but wanted to get a range from your point of view. Thank you.[/QUOTE]My experience worldwide is a good tule of thumb is an evening with a seeking girl should be close in price to that of an hour with a pro. So if a pro in Rio is going to get 500 R then a 3-4 HR dinner date with a Seeking girl might well be around 500 R.

I am actually doing some Rio research myself and if I get down to brass tacks I'll let you know.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779373]My experience worldwide is a good tule of thumb is an evening with a seeking girl should be close in price to that of an hour with a pro. So if a pro in Rio is going to get 500 R then a 3-4 HR dinner date with a Seeking girl might well be around 500 R.

I am actually doing some Rio research myself and if I get down to brass tacks I'll let you know.[/QUOTE]Steve the o. G. Dropping info gems in all forums! Thank you.

I have been in touch with a few seeking girls in Rio in the past few weeks, I can tell you that the quality and quantity is no way near as it is in CDMX. But either way, a couple of the best looking ones (talking 8+ and English speakers here) have quoted $1 k Reias which would be the absolute max. Other few I got to agree on $750 first date and $600 from there on if we meet again as I might end up there for a month if everything works out.

But I have no experience in Rio and I don't know if I'll meet any of these girls, most seem hesitant to quote and would rather you make the proposal (totally different in CDMX where they tell you right away what they're looking for). There is great info here I like said and prices for pros but not much data on what seeking dates normally go for, so it would be great to hear from others with Seeking experience in Rio.

I don't use seeking but maybe should.

You might try senor chege.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2779302]There's a lot of great info in this thread, but wanted to ask you in particular about a Seeking date for example since you're a local. How much would you say was a reasonable amount for a 3/4 hour date from Seeking? I know it will vary by girl but wanted to get a range from your point of view. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2779373]... 3-4 HR dinner date with a Seeking girl might well be around 500 R..[/QUOTE]I think that is a reasonable amount. It also depends. This is my recent experience in SP.

Most girls that bring up price seem always start with 1000 are. It was around 600-800 a couple of years ago. Then there are pros that I can tell right away. I skip these two groups and did not negotiate. There is a group that don't talk about price. The date will be dinner, then likely sex after. Some don't even ask for money. These probably will be happy with any reasonable amount if she does show up for date. The dinner can cost more if the girl likes wine. Then you also need to add Uber cost. I met one who drove her own car and did not even appear to expect me to pay for parking. Also, I am looking for someone to visit me a few times a week.

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My regular girl is over. We fuck 1-2 times a day. It is a regular thing. She is great, but when she leaves, I go and bang two Prive girls. Life is pretty good!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2779557]I think that is a reasonable amount. It also depends. This is my recent experience in SP.

Most girls that bring up price seem always start with 1000 are. It was around 600-800 a couple of years ago. Then there are pros that I can tell right away. I skip these two groups and did not negotiate. There is a group that don't talk about price. The date will be dinner, then likely sex after. Some don't even ask for money. These probably will be happy with any reasonable amount if she does show up for date. The dinner can cost more if the girl likes wine. Then you also need to add Uber cost. I met one who drove her own car and did not even appear to expect me to pay for parking. Also, I am looking for someone to visit me a few times a week.[/QUOTE]Thank you, this is helpful info.

Did you end up seeing anyone more than once? What amount did you settle on? That's my plan, to try and meet a couple, and the one who things go well with, I'd definitely like to see again but wouldn't want to keep paying the same amount per date as the first.

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[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2779302]There's a lot of great info in this thread, but wanted to ask you in particular about a Seeking date for example since you're a local. How much would you say was a reasonable amount for a 3/4 hour date from Seeking? I know it will vary by girl but wanted to get a range from your point of view. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Well I am using SA in Brazil and would say general Date involves a Dinner in a fancy place which will cost 600-800 BRL and for the Girl between 600 - 1000 BRL it depends if they stay the whole night which means untill morning 10 o'clock or even longer and not just untill the sun rises. If the girls stays 2 hours like 600 and 4-6 hours around 800.

But it is actually hard to find good girls in Rio. SP is alot more activ and with more beatyfull girls. Some girls ask ridiculous prices which I decline right away and put them on hide or even block them. Don't forget there are alot of scammers, so meet first time in a bar and then move on. My experience so far is good and. Is pure GFE which is why I am using SA. Looking just for a fuck? Go to Solarium, 4 x4, or Massage places. Avoid freelancers in Copa or Copa in general. They are used to scam Gringos and its just a basic business model for them.

Make sure to let them know this date involves sex. Other than Moskow or Kiev here it is only clear if you made your agreement clear. So they won't say afterwards I don't want that we never talked about that" which happened to me.

And please learn some basic Portuguese, it doesn't work without in my eyes.

Last but not least never ever pay mire then agreed or pay in advance! Make sure yyou stick to your word but won't get taken advantage. If she tries to raise the price just ditch her because she will cause problems. Find a new one.

If you found your gem stick to 2 of them and threat them right. You will be very pleased how brazilians like to fuck and suck. No place in the world like Brasil in my eyes when it comes to sexual energy.

Chege's information is very good.

[QUOTE=JuliusGeezer;2779757]Thank you, this is helpful info.

Did you end up seeing anyone more than once? What amount did you settle on? That's my plan, to try and meet a couple, and the one who things go well with, I'd definitely like to see again but wouldn't want to keep paying the same amount per date as the first.[/QUOTE]I have moved on to a smaller pond. LOL. I think Steve is right if you have to guess. My experience is only a small part of it. Different people will have different experience. If you do find someone hot, she is probably going to ask for a lot if she has been in this game for a while. If you want her, you are likely have to pay if you are only here for a few weeks, and the numbers we suggested here will be useless. The online SB dynamic is very different from meeting in person like in Scandallo. Girls have the advantage because the hot one could have many men chasing after her. In Scandalllo, you pick the girl while SB online picks you. That is the main difference. Money solves all problems at Scandallo and not necessary costing more when you factor in everything.

I couldn't explain everything. Even in the group that I focus on. Some girls would wait until the last minute to ask me the electronically transfer money to her for Uber. Like this one and she deleted the messages when I did not respond quickly. It's a giant waste on time. This one I should have rejected because she would not videocall with me. I kept going because she played her part very well and very convincing. It's a gamble if you don't make it clear on everything you want in advance. BTW, I think paying for Uber is ok, but I can pay after or I can order for her.

Just to satisfy my curiosity if I am overpaying, or if the girl is a working girl. She is not bad looking. She will make more money but she have to work more.

It's just a single example, not trying to generalize anything except what is stated above 😂.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2780685]Just to satisfy my curiosity if I am overpaying, or if the girl is a working girl. She is not bad looking. She will make more money but she have to work more.

It's just a single example, not trying to generalize anything except what is stated above 😂.[/QUOTE]Thank you man. How many guys have come here reporting paying an arm and a leg. After she said 600, all it took was for you to say I can do 300. It was that simple. No mood ruined or nothing. Seems she is in good spirits even after agreeing to half of what she first asked.

Hi mongers,

It is often hard to find mongering places for Saturday / Sunday. Any recommendation for Saturday / Sunday for high class chicas? I am into white or mulata hotties.

Hey guys planning my first trip to rio. I'm a veteran of Medellin and was wondering if there's a spot to buy drugs like weed / tussi that's safe-ish like barrio Antioquia in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2780907]Hi mongers,

It is often hard to find mongering places for Saturday / Sunday. Any recommendation for Saturday / Sunday for high class chicas? I am into white or mulata hotties.[/QUOTE]Was going to write a noob report but I'll spit out this excerpt:

Options are REALLY limited on Saturdays. Almost non-existent on Sundays.

Saturday night check out Perala Negra opens evening doesn't start getting lively until 9pm onwards

Best options are Tinder, SA. Or do this: during the week go to termas like 4 x4 get Whatsapp from girls and message them to meet at beach either Saturday / Sunday especially toward end of month when rent is due.

(I had a very rocky first time in Rio a few weeks ago, and wish I had known the entire city sleeps in on weekends when I booked the dates Thur-Sun) (And I may have unfairly taken out my frustrations on ISG)

[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2780907]Hi mongers,

It is often hard to find mongering places for Saturday / Sunday. Any recommendation for Saturday / Sunday for high class chicas? I am into white or mulata hotties.[/QUOTE]On Saturdays you can also try termas like Solarium, Monte Carlo, and Centaurus. There's also the nightclubs like Black & White, La Dolce Vita, and Marrakech. And for all weekend don't forget all of the online options, one of them being Rio Sex Site for example, which I have used successfully (do a search here to find previous posts for more full online options).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2780689]... How many guys have come here reporting paying an arm and a leg....[/QUOTE]I had an interesting encounter. A girl that works late shift for Yamaha gets off at 11:30 PM so we had a date at a 24 hours store to have some beers. She works 6 days a week and gets two paychecks per month. Each paycheck is are $1600.

Hi Guys,

I'm back RdJ. Just found out that the foreign exchange is really bad on a national holiday. Cheers.

Ow, is senor Vagabundo doing his centro tour anytime soon?

And, does anyone know how the VM situation is during the day? (3-6).

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2781183]Hey guys planning my first trip to rio. I'm a veteran of Medellin and was wondering if there's a spot to buy drugs like weed / tussi that's safe-ish like barrio Antioquia in Medellin.[/QUOTE]If you walk up and down Copacabana or Ipanema and see guys selling bongs or other paraphernalia or you see a sign saying Bob Marley someone will approach you and try and sell you some low quality products. On the other hand the girls have much higher quality products, they would be your best bet.

Today I went to Claro in Rio Sul shopping mall and they wouldn't sell a sim card. They told me that the manager doesn't want to do it anymore. TIM on the second floor asked for approx. 300 R for 12 gb. Declined. Did anyone else encountered this issue? Any solutions?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2781758]I had an interesting encounter. A girl that works late shift for Yamaha gets off at 11:30 PM so we had a date at a 24 hours store to have some beers. She works 6 days a week and gets two paychecks per month. Each paycheck is are $1600.[/QUOTE]And this only proves my point (discussed in the SP thread). She is making just above $600/ month working 6 shifts a week, 24 shifts total per month. Below $30 (USD) per shift. But some garotas have a nerve to ask $300 (yes, USD) per hour, this is ridiculous. And guys not even negotiating, thinking it is a great deal.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782158]And this only proves my point (discussed in the SP thread). She is making just above $600/ month working 6 shifts a week, 24 shifts total per month. Below $30 (USD) per shift. But some garotas have a nerve to ask $300 (yes, USD) per hour, this is ridiculous. And guys not even negotiating, thinking it is a great deal.[/QUOTE]That argument doesn't make sense. Some people make more than others in all levels of a capitalist system. Doesn't matter if they are sports heroes, engineers or great artists. It's a matter of supply and demand. If a girl can make x amount of money more than a standard wage based on her looks or negotiating skills she has every right to do that. Guys who buy for her rate aren't being suckered, they are agreeing based on needs and wants.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782158]And this only proves my point (discussed in the SP thread). She is making just above $600/ month working 6 shifts a week, 24 shifts total per month. Below $30 (USD) per shift. But some garotas have a nerve to ask $300 (yes, USD) per hour, this is ridiculous. And guys not even negotiating, thinking it is a great deal.[/QUOTE]So. I have a question or maybe a few questions:

1) how does one compare the minimum wage of a worker in Brazil or anywhere for that matter to be equal to the work done by an escort? Is it the same kind of work? What qualifies as minimum wage work in Brazil?

2) let's look at the expense side of things — does a minimum wage worker need to get her hair done, her nails done, buy nice dresses, pay for gym membership and try to eat healthy (which by the way is pretty damn expensive) to work at her job?

3) does a minimum wage worker have to answer calls all day from creeps, weirdos and perverts and then meet said creeps at some hotel where she has no idea what kind of animal will open the door? I have seen some nasty motherfuckers in clubs and bars and I really felt sorry for the girl that this person chose to take home. Smelly, fat as fuck, crappy hygiene. You know the type. I am not saying we are all like that but they do exist. I can see how some may say that the girl might chose this profession so she knows what she is getting into and that is why she sets her price.

I have seen many lower wage workers in my work travels around Brazil, Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Dubai and India and I have never ever given them a second glance. I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open. Now I am sure those women have much higher maintenance expense than the lower wage workers. So why shouldn't they charge more?

I am not saying whether paying a certain price is a good deal or not. I believe that is up to the person who is negotiating. I am just asking. Why are we comparing minimum wages to a profession that has certain expenses and dangers associated with it for the person participating in that profession? How is it equal?

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2782211]So. I have a question or maybe a few questions:

1) how does one compare the minimum wage of a worker in Brazil or anywhere for that matter to be equal to the work done by an escort? Is it the same kind of work? What qualifies as minimum wage work in Brazil?

2) let's look at the expense side of things does a minimum wage worker need to get her hair done, her nails done, buy nice dresses, pay for gym membership and try to eat healthy (which by the way is pretty damn expensive) to work at her job?

3) does a minimum wage worker have to answer calls all day from creeps, weirdos and perverts and then meet said creeps at some hotel where she has no idea what kind of animal will open the door? I have seen some nasty motherfuckers in clubs and bars and I really felt sorry for the girl that this person chose to take home. Smelly, fat as fuck, crappy hygiene. You know the type. I am not saying we are all like that but they do exist. I can see how some may say that the girl might chose this profession so she knows what she is getting into and that is why she sets her price.

I have seen many lower wage workers in my work travels around Brazil, Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Dubai and India and I have never ever given them a second glance. I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open. Now I am sure those women have much higher maintenance expense than the lower wage workers. So why shouldn't they charge more?

I am not saying whether paying a certain price is a good deal or not. I believe that is up to the person who is negotiating. I am just asking. Why are we comparing minimum wages to a profession that has certain expenses and dangers associated with it for the person participating in that profession? How is it equal?[/QUOTE]When making comparisons a lot goes into it. But, you absolutely must look at the [B]types[/B] of labor being performed and what it takes to do a good job. Too many people think that just because it's sex work that it's legitimate to equate that work with a minimum wage job. I strongly disagree, and you point out several good reasons why that's not always the most appropriate comparison. Another thing to consider is that sex work is of an extremely intimate and personal nature and, depending on what services the sex worker offers, can be quite demanding and draining upon the provider's person, both physically and mentally. That's all worth something when it comes to placing a value on services rendered. And like you, I'm not talking about whether a certain price is a good deal or not. No, what I am saying is that in determining what is or isn't a good price, just remember that all sex work isn't just like doing some lowly, minimum wage job.

It's not as simple as that, and even within the whole world of "tutes" if you will, there are different levels of tutes with some of them and the services they deliver (and how that delivery occurs) being closer to minimum wage work or even less (street stank hoor), while others deliver services in a way that is more professional in nature (sophisticated call girl). Now, I'm not one of these guys who subscribes to the mantra that when it comes to women that all the "product" is the same, and only worth but so much. Rather, some women are Buicks, some are BMWs, and some are Bentleys. And they should, and you must expect, that they will charge accordingly. So, circulate in the market (s) that work for you and your wealth level, and how you want to spend your money. Just remember that not all women, and that includes the tutes, are worth the same (minimum wage). And whether you believe that or not? Remember that they do, and will act accordingly.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2782211]...I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open...[/QUOTE]I am wondering if the same 300/ HR girls charge the same rate when they first started? You think they absolutely didn't work in a factory before? Do you think the same 300/hr girl can charge the same rate in Sao Paulo and in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2782252]I am wondering if the same 300/ HR girls charge the same rate when they first started? You think they absolutely didn't work in a factory before? Do you think the same 300/hr girl can charge the same rate in Sao Paulo and in Medellin?[/QUOTE]$300/1 HR in Medellin? She can ask whatever she wants, and some sucker might pay it, but no matter how hot she is, I bet she won't get that rate consistently. Thank god, every city or venue has going rates in place, if costs of living and minimum / average wages were completely ignored and every monger paid whatever he was quoted, then we would not have them.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2782211]So. I have a question or maybe a few questions:

1) how does one compare the minimum wage of a worker in Brazil or anywhere for that matter to be equal to the work done by an escort? Is it the same kind of work? What qualifies as minimum wage work in Brazil?

2) let's look at the expense side of things does a minimum wage worker need to get her hair done, her nails done, buy nice dresses, pay for gym membership and try to eat healthy (which by the way is pretty damn expensive) to work at her job?

3) does a minimum wage worker have to answer calls all day from creeps, weirdos and perverts and then meet said creeps at some hotel where she has no idea what kind of animal will open the door? I have seen some nasty motherfuckers in clubs and bars and I really felt sorry for the girl that this person chose to take home. Smelly, fat as fuck, crappy hygiene. You know the type. I am not saying we are all like that but they do exist. I can see how some may say that the girl might chose this profession so she knows what she is getting into and that is why she sets her price.

I have seen many lower wage workers in my work travels around Brazil, Mexico, Bolivia, Colombia, Argentina, Hong Kong, Dubai and India and I have never ever given them a second glance. I have seen some true knockouts at Scandello, at 4 x4, in Mexico, in the bars in Dubai and in Wan Chai and my mouth stayed open. Now I am sure those women have much higher maintenance expense than the lower wage workers. So why shouldn't they charge more?

I am not saying whether paying a certain price is a good deal or not. I believe that is up to the person who is negotiating. I am just asking. Why are we comparing minimum wages to a profession that has certain expenses and dangers associated with it for the person participating in that profession? How is it equal?[/QUOTE]I never said that a minimum wage job is equal to prostitution or should be equally paid. My point is that costs of living in each city / country and minimum wages should be taken into account when comparing p4 p rates in different countries. Don't you think that if city A in one country and city be in another country have exact same costs of living and minimum wages, they should have similar p4 p rates?

[QUOTE=DinoDong;2782050]Today I went to Claro in Rio Sul shopping mall and they wouldn't sell a sim card. They told me that the manager doesn't want to do it anymore. TIM on the second floor asked for approx. 300 R for 12 gb. Declined. Did anyone else encountered this issue? Any solutions?[/QUOTE]I had a similar experience at Riosul last month. Buying the sim card is no problem though. I bought a TIM sim card at the stationary shop located near the north-western exit. The real problem is having it activated. Don't expect any help from the staff at any of the mobile operator shops. You have to call a (free) number but you get a labyrinth of menus and everything is pre-recorded in Portuguese. Fortunately, the people of my AirBNB helped me with it. Your name, nationality and passport number are required for the registration. After this, I went back to the TIM shop on the second floor to buy enough credit for Internet usage for 3 weeks. I don't remember how much I paid. Other guys wasted less time in other locations, though. You can find several posts on this subject in the Rio thread if you go just a few weeks back.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782271]I never said that a minimum wage job is equal to prostitution or should be equally paid. My point is that costs of living in each city / country and minimum wages should be taken into account when comparing p4 p rates in different countries. Don't you think that if city A in one country and city be in another country have exact same costs of living and minimum wages, they should have similar p4 p rates?[/QUOTE]Yes and no. I think there are many other factors at play other than the ones you mentioned above. Access and ease to P4 P, local laws surrounding P4 P, and even local attitudes would make a difference in pricing. This is even before factoring local pricing vs tourist pricing. I just don't think looking at minimum wage and cost of living translates to P4 P pricing.

[QUOTE=Bucanero;2782324]I had a similar experience at Riosul last month. Buying the sim card is no problem though. I bought a TIM sim card at the stationary shop located near the north-western exit. The real problem is having it activated. Don't expect any help from the staff at any of the mobile operator shops. You have to call a (free) number but you get a labyrinth of menus and everything is pre-recorded in Portuguese. Fortunately, the people of my Airbnb helped me with it. Your name, nationality and passport number are required for the registration. After this, I went back to the TIM shop on the second floor to buy enough credit for Internet usage for 3 weeks. I don't remember how much I paid. Other guys wasted less time in other locations, though. You can find several posts on this subject in the Rio thread if you go just a few weeks back.[/QUOTE]Google Fi.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782271]I never said that a minimum wage job is equal to prostitution or should be equally paid. My point is that costs of living in each city / country and minimum wages should be taken into account when comparing p4 p rates in different countries. Don't you think that if city A in one country and city be in another country have exact same costs of living and minimum wages, they should have similar p4 p rates?[/QUOTE]The law of supply and demand along with cost and risks of doing business determines pricing.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782269]$300/1 HR in Medellin? She can ask whatever she wants, and some sucker might pay it, but no matter how hot she is, I bet she won't get that rate consistently. Thank god, every city or venue has going rates in place, if costs of living and minimum / average wages were completely ignored and every monger paid whatever he was quoted, then we would not have them.[/QUOTE]What I am trying to say is not about how much. Let's look at it from the mileage point of view. I think most girls charge less when her hypothetical mileage is 0. By the time the girl get to 300/ HR, her mileage is higher.

We are conditioned one way or the other by the cost of the country we come from. That is why I did the 300 proposal earlier because that is below my comfort zone, believe it or not.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2782443]What I am trying to say is not about how much. Let's look at it from the mileage point of view. I think most girls charge less when her hypothetical mileage is 0. By the time the girl get to 300/ HR, her mileage is higher.

We are conditioned one way or the other by the cost of the country we come from. That is why I did the 300 proposal earlier because that is below my comfort zone, believe it or not.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily. She could only have 1 or 2 long term sugar daddies prior, and once she is back on the market, her asking rate will be based on what she was getting from her SDs before. Prostitution is not your typical professional career, where you salary commensurates with your experience, education level, KPIs, etc. If a girl is hot and she knows it, she can easily start off with high rates at Scandallo. There is no need to gain experience working at clinicas or streets prior to working at Scandallo.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2782459]Not necessarily. She could only have 1 or 2 long term sugar daddies prior, and once she is back on the market, her asking rate will be based on what she was getting from her SDs before. Prostitution is not your typical professional career, where you salary commensurates with your experience, education level, KPIs, etc. If a girl is hot and she knows it, she can easily start off with high rates at Scandallo. There is no need to gain experience working at clinicas or streets prior to working at Scandallo.[/QUOTE]I am trying to point out an irony without being too explicit. Some people value mileage so they will not go for what is considered high mileage ones and in this context, the high price. Borrow the investing term, high price ones are either fully valued or over valued, relative to the low mileage ones that are more likely to be undervalued.

This is one example.
[QUOTE=Combo;2782522]...A girl that's been in this game a while (and become well-known among the gringo crowd on FB or SA) might feel emboldened to hold out for a higher rate. I don't want that girl. The newer girls are generally a better experience.[/QUOTE]

I will add some context based on my experience. Brazilians are generally nicer in negotiation. They don't get offended easily like the Paisas. They will either say no, or say something like the following image. Paisas are frequently rude. They will say something like who told you I would leave my house for XXX amount or something like that. But the reaction may have to do with the level of education so I am not really sure either

Hmmm prices. Minimum wage. Cell phones. Is anyone actually fucking anyone in Rio? Do tell! 😜.

What are the best swing clubs in rio? Looking to go. How much is the cover and does anyone have their names / instagrams?

You want high end porno sex with model looking girls or cheap dirty quick nut. Either is available with women of all different colors and body types.

Hi guys,

Not trying to jack this thread. I have done my research on this thread, I went back to December 30,2021 and starting reading and made notes on prices, places, girls, I also had fun reading about Vagabundo01 and other members adventures, etc.

I have been to Cartagena once and it was GREAT, didn't over pay and banged some really hot chicks and one really cute 20 year old, I found a lot of young girls at the beach at stall #4 I think. I have also been to Bangkok, great time but I love Latina women more. My main priority going is pussy, maybe if worked remote I would think about having a harem and staying there but hey it is what it is.

When I was in Cartagena I took proper precautions because of the drugging that go on there. I am not a drinker so I never drank with the girls in Cartagena, if I have to then a beer at the club but nothing at my place. Just fuck, while she says things to me in Spanish, god I love that.

I wanted to get some members opinion here. Having seen videos and read the threads on Medellin it seems that you can find young girls (NOTHING illegal, I mean 18-22) in el Centro, Parque Lleras, and Parque de el Poblado. There are no videos like that for Brazil, so I can only go by what I am reading here. It seems that the only way I can find younger girls in Rio would be Villa Mimosa walking around and talking, the beach IF I get lucky plus I can't Portuguese so I mean really lucky, or using a website but options are limited.

I know there are members that have been to both places, if you could compare which one do you prefer in terms of quality, level of service, and hotness.

[QUOTE=RavenBoy89;2782954]Having seen videos and read the threads on Medellin it seems that you can find young girls (NOTHING illegal, I mean 18-22) in el Centro, Parque Lleras, and Parque de el Poblado. There are no videos like that for Brazil, so I can only go by what I am reading here. It seems that the only way I can find younger girls in Rio would be Villa Mimosa walking around and talking, the beach IF I get lucky plus I can't Portuguese so I mean really lucky, or using a website but options are limited.[/QUOTE]Seems you have missed a big part of the Rio thread, which discusses privees, boates, termas, online. Don't expect to see what you need on youtube. You need boots on the ground.

The week in baseball -.

I did a Monday night pernoite at Hotel Lips in centro for 140 for a hidro suite, and 300 r for the girl, Noemie Michelle Obama Bilas, 4 pops, probably 2. 5 hours of sex in the hidro, etc. Got her some food $100 r and breakfast like a vagabundo.

Last week, went over to Mosaico with Senor Chege, but nothing done as it was a local holiday during carnival and the best girls were not there.

More of the normal the last week, Saturday trips to centro prives for the 90 r for half hour specials, nice big tits on 22 year old girls who are 7's here, but 9's in North America.

Personally, Vagabundo prefers post carnival, but new years on the beach in Rio was rad, and Carnival is always fun. Now, it's a little hot, but it will cool off in a few months.

Lieutenant Commander Vagabundo, Swiss Naval Intelligence, Your Man in rio, Reporting.

[QUOTE=RavenBoy89;2782954]Hi guys,

Not trying to jack this thread. I have done my research on this thread, I went back to December 30,2021 and starting reading and made notes on prices, places, girls, I also had fun reading about Vagabundo01 and other members adventures, etc.

I have been to Cartagena once and it was GREAT, didn't over pay and banged some really hot chicks and one really cute 20 year old, I found a lot of young girls at the beach at stall #4 I think. I have also been to Bangkok, great time but I love Latina women more. My main priority going is pussy, maybe if worked remote I would think about having a harem and staying there but hey it is what it is.

When I was in Cartagena I took proper precautions because of the drugging that go on there. I am not a drinker so I never drank with the girls in Cartagena, if I have to then a beer at the club but nothing at my place. Just fuck, while she says things to me in Spanish, god I love that.

I wanted to get some members opinion here. Having seen videos and read the threads on Medellin it seems that you can find young girls (NOTHING illegal, I mean 18-22) in el Centro, Parque Lleras, and Parque de el Poblado. There are no videos like that for Brazil, so I can only go by what I am reading here. It seems that the only way I can find younger girls in Rio would be Villa Mimosa walking around and talking, the beach IF I get lucky plus I can't Portuguese so I mean really lucky, or using a website but options are limited.

I know there are members that have been to both places, if you could compare which one do you prefer in terms of quality, level of service, and hotness.[/QUOTE]I have been to Medellin 5 times and I love it. That being said I am in Rio for the first time right now and I can tell you Rio is far superior in my humble opinion. It has everything that Medellin has and so much more. Logistically speaking meddy is much easier for me to get to and it is cheaper on average for everything (flights, lodging, food and of course girls). But the extra money you spend for Brazil is well worth it. You don't have to go to Villa Mimosa to find what you want either. It's everywhere here. They have daytime spots similar to the Medellin casas almost as cheap. The girls are beautiful and there's not as much plastic in Rio. I personally love the natural bodys. As far as age goes most working girls look to be 18-25 from what I have seen. If you can do Rio I think you will be impressed. Although Medellin is always a great time too and I will still go there but Rio scratches a special itch for this here particular monger that nowhere else I have ever been to can compare. Feel free to DM me for more info on either place.

[QUOTE=RavenBoy89;2782954]I wanted to get some members opinion here. Having seen videos and read the threads on Medellin it seems that you can find young girls (NOTHING illegal, I mean 18-22) in el Centro, Parque Lleras, and Parque de el Poblado. There are no videos like that for Brazil, so I can only go by what I am reading here. It seems that the only way I can find younger girls in Rio would be Villa Mimosa walking around and talking, the beach IF I get lucky plus I can't Portuguese so I mean really lucky, or using a website but options are limited.

I know there are members that have been to both places, if you could compare which one do you prefer in terms of quality, level of service, and hotness.[/QUOTE]Streetwalkers are not as plentiful in Brazil as Colombia. I've been to Bogota and Cartagena, but not Medellin, and AFAIK there are not many areas in Brazil like Santa Fe, or Tower Clock (or Pargue Lleras, it seems). But there is Vila Mimosa in Rio, although this is NOT a pleasant area. I can tell you it's rougher than Santa Fe and that means something. It's not especially dangerous, mind you, just the general vibe.

In Brazil, there are tons of prives / terapias / clinicas ("massage" brothels) and boates ("night club" brothels). And yes, you can find your 18-22 year olds there, but you'll need to enter each establishment and look. They're not in your face like in the above-mentioned areas.

I would say, in terms of quality and hotness, there is some kind of general parity here. Latinas are Latinas after all, although Brazilians are more diverse in looks due to a larger pool of ethnicities.

As to level of service and work ethics, Brazilian women are unparalleled, IMHO.

[QUOTE=RavenBoy89;2782954]Hi guys,

Not trying to jack this thread. I have done my research on this thread, I went back to December 30,2021 and starting reading and made notes on prices, places, girls, I also had fun reading about Vagabundo01 and other members adventures, etc.

I have been to Cartagena once and it was GREAT, didn't over pay and banged some really hot chicks and one really cute 20 year old, I found a lot of young girls at the beach at stall #4 I think. I have also been to Bangkok, great time but I love Latina women more. My main priority going is pussy, maybe if worked remote I would think about having a harem and staying there but hey it is what it is.[/QUOTE]Small world! Last month crossed both of these destinations off my bucket list in one single swing thanks to multi-city booking on Copa Airlines.

I already voiced my opinion on Medellin which appears 80/20 hater / spot on: Medellin is oversaturated with idiot gringos who overpaid and have grossly diluted going rates, and weird unexplained vibe specific only to Medellin and no where else on the globe: you will only enjoy it if you plan on being a regular / lifer. Casual one-time visitors won't have the same results as the seasoned pros. Even the first time visit involves a load a pre-planning to point it is almost a Catch 22 / Paradox of itself. Link: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2781338#post2781338

Both scenes: renting a airBnb / hotel with a roof top pool / villa bungalow with a pool GREATLY increases your in-call session quality. More on that later.

Villa Mimosa: link up with user Vagabungo or hire a body guard. Do NOT go into VM solo as a tourist! Just don't.

When in VM or a termas, show the girl pics of you in your decked out room and decked out pool and ask for her WhatsApp.

Spas usually cater to locals on their lunch break, tourists might not be impressed.

One curveball that threw off my night owl status quo: Rio monger scene is done in broad daylight between 10 am-5 pm. There are club / termas options mainly Zona Centro open till midnight too. However especially Centro, the real sketchy ugly figures of Rio start trickling out into streets at these late hours. If you're still clubbing late night ready to fold up, ask club staff to arrange a Taxi waiting outside for you to leap into before you become a statistic.

Saturdays and Sundays EVERYTHING is closed, so all those WhatsApp contacts you harvested earlier in the week? That's your weekend action.

While on my trip, I was bombarded with several ISG PMs that in the case of both MDE and Rio, the real knockout girls follow the money trail and are not in either MDE nor Rio, they are in Bogota and Sao Paulo. Not sure if you're in a position to look into that?

Most of this is hindsight I wish I knew more of when I initially booked the trip, hopefully your ride is much smoother than mine!

[QUOTE=CenTexCrash;2783103]Small world! Last month crossed both of these destinations off my bucket list in one single swing thanks to multi-city booking on Copa Airlines.

I already voiced my opinion on Medellin which appears 80/20 hater / spot on: Medellin is oversaturated with idiot gringos who overpaid and have grossly diluted going rates, and weird unexplained vibe specific only to Medellin and no where else on the globe: you will only enjoy it if you plan on being a regular / lifer. Casual one-time visitors won't have the same results as the seasoned pros. Even the first time visit involves a load a pre-planning to point it is almost a Catch 22 / Paradox of itself. Link: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2781338#post2781338

Most of this is hindsight I wish I knew more of when I initially booked the trip, hopefully your ride is much smoother than mine![/QUOTE]Thanks for the insight! This was helpful, I guess at this point I will have to either gather my wits and go to Medellin knowing full well it's is saturated, or try Brazil. Man the choices LOL. When I was in Cartagena the girls on the beach (and the ones walking around Clock Tower) would always straight up be like 100 usd to which I would get their number and text them at lower rate later in the night, it worked I would say half the time. The other half I just stopped responding. I hope more guys read these threads so they how they are screwing up a great spot for guys like me to get their demon time on. Getting to Medellin from where I am at plus staying at Green LLeras hotel is something like $1100 for 8 night. Brazil Is pricey to get to but from what I'm reading service are less expensive. I have no problem spending money if I find a girl that is actually hot though.

Would you or any other member say Villa Mimosa is safer during the day to find young girls and get their numbers? Having read the posts it seems that most of them show up night, I wonder if that's always the case.

If I go to Rio I will surely contribute to this thread!

Thanks to both Raven Boy 89 and CenTexCrash for their reports on Colombia. I have just wrapped up a 6 week trip in Brazil and will be posting my reports soon, but Colombia vs Brazil was one of nagging questions I had. I had an insanely good time in Brazil, but the Brazil vs Colombia conversation is a very worthwhile one now I suspect given Colombias popularity exploding like it is. I'm not sure if its a good idea, but a separate thread about it would be worthwhile I think? Will leave that to a mod to decide.

I can't spend more than 6-8 weeks in South America a year, so time is short and I need to get the most value for time rather than being purely fixated on cost. I assume most visitors would be in the same position.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but this is just what I am taking from the conversations I am seeing online everywhere and with people I know who have spent time in Colombia. Please bare in mind this is as someone who has very little experience with the place from a mongering perspective, but from what I can gather is that Medellin in particular is simply not setup for quick and easy access like Brazil is?

Termas, boates, clinicas, privates, escorts, freelancers, massage shops. Compared to facebook / social media, overpriced strip clubs with a sprinkling of some knock shops and a suspect escort scene?

Crime is a concern everywhere in South America, but the drugging in Colombia seems to be a topic of conversation that's being raised waaaay to frequently now too. The thought of having to watch the girls with eagle eyes seems to be a real pain in the ass.

Then there is the tidal wave of mongers who seem to be heading to the place, while Brazils scene is for Brazilians first and foremost.

Then there are the day to day things. Food in Brazil is great, Colombia seems to be a step down. Beaches in Colombia are very average. Brazil is just more developed. Even if Colombia is 30% cheaper, does it really matter when everything is downgraded as a result?

As for the cost of sex, even if Brazil is a bit more expensive but access to it is better with more venues and options, then the overall experience is better I would think?

Unless you are extremely budget conscious or have a ton of time to spend on the ground building a base, I am struggling to find a reason to visit Colombia over Brazil. I am likely to make the trip at some point still, I am just really starting to doubt the necessity of it more and more.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2783222]Thanks to both Raven Boy 89 and CenTexCrash for their reports on Colombia. I have just wrapped up a 6 week trip in Brazil and will be posting my reports soon, but Colombia vs Brazil was one of nagging questions I had. I had an insanely good time in Brazil, but the Brazil vs Colombia conversation is a very worthwhile one now I suspect given Colombias popularity exploding like it is. I'm not sure if its a good idea, but a separate thread about it would be worthwhile I think? Will leave that to a mod to decide.

I can't spend more than 6-8 weeks in South America a year, so time is short and I need to get the most value for time rather than being purely fixated on cost. I assume most visitors would be in the same position.

Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but this is just what I am taking from the conversations I am seeing online everywhere and with people I know who have spent time in Colombia. Please bare in mind this is as someone who has very little experience with the place from a mongering perspective, but from what I can gather is that Medellin in particular is simply not setup for quick and easy access like Brazil is?

Termas, boates, clinicas, privates, escorts, freelancers, massage shops. Compared to facebook / social media, overpriced strip clubs with a sprinkling of some knock shops and a suspect escort scene?

Crime is a concern everywhere in South America, but the drugging in Colombia seems to be a topic of conversation that's being raised waaaay to frequently now too. The thought of having to watch the girls with eagle eyes seems to be a real pain in the ass.

Then there is the tidal wave of mongers who seem to be heading to the place, while Brazils scene is for Brazilians first and foremost.

Then there are the day to day things. Food in Brazil is great, Colombia seems to be a step down. Beaches in Colombia are very average. Brazil is just more developed. Even if Colombia is 30% cheaper, does it really matter when everything is downgraded as a result?

As for the cost of sex, even if Brazil is a bit more expensive but access to it is better with more venues and options, then the overall experience is better I would think?

Unless you are extremely budget conscious or have a ton of time to spend on the ground building a base, I am struggling to find a reason to visit Colombia over Brazil. I am likely to make the trip at some point still, I am just really starting to doubt the necessity of it more and more.[/QUOTE]This is a forum about sex and girls so going to ignore the beaches and the food and all that. Having been to both I think it comes back around to venue and your preferences. Hot girls both places.

What I mean is there is the discussion here sometimes about boates vs clinicas. And it's kind of a nonsense discussion. If you like the evening / night scene do the boate. If you like daytime do the clinica. If you like a lineup do the clinica. If you like a nightclub do the boate. Same thing here. If you like the boate or clinica scene then hands down no comparison São Paulo wins every time. Medellin (best of Colombia) cannot compete on the "go to some location and get a hottie in person" scene.

That said, the "get a nice Airbnb and have girls over" scene I might give the nod to Colombia. The Facebook scene in Medellin is crazy and there are other ways to bring back girls also. But the clubs are over priced for what you get and absolutely nothing to touch Scandallo say.

So if you like going to a place to with a relaxed atmosphere to pick a girl and do the deed on-site or nearby def Brazil. If you want to pull girls to your Airbnb either can work but MDE gets the nod for easy and cost effective girls back at your place. IMO. YMMV. 😋.

P.S. Just one data point but I stayed in Laureles in MDE and felt very safe even at night walking to and from restaurants. And then in SP my Uber was robbed at gunpoint. So I am not sure you can generalize the safety aspect so much. Both are safe. Until they aren't. 😜.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2783367]This is a forum about sex and girls so going to ignore the beaches and the food and all that. [/QUOTE]So why quote the parts that you are going to ignore?

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2783222]Colombia vs Brazil was one of nagging questions I had. I had an insanely good time in Brazil, but the Brazil vs Colombia conversation is a very worthwhile one now I suspect given Colombias popularity exploding like it is.

Unless you are extremely budget conscious or have a ton of time to spend on the ground building a base, I am struggling to find a reason to visit Colombia over Brazil.[/QUOTE]I think Steve was on to something in his post, but trying to compare Colombia to Brazil is falling short. It would work better to compare city to city and not country to country. Even in Colombia, Medellin is different from Cartagena is different from Bogota is different from Cali is different from Barranquilla is different from Santa Marta. Big difference if I am planning to go to Fortaleza, Brazil or Bogotá, Colombia.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2783367]This is a forum about sex and girls so going to ignore the beaches and the food and all that. Having been to both I think it comes back around to venue and your preferences. Hot girls both places.

What I mean is there is the discussion here sometimes about boates vs clinicas. And it's kind of a nonsense discussion. If you like the evening / night scene do the boate. If you like daytime do the clinica. If you like a lineup do the clinica. If you like a nightclub do the boate. Same thing here. If you like the boate or clinica scene then hands down no comparison So Paulo wins every time. Medellin (best of Colombia) cannot compete on the "go to some location and get a hottie in person" scene.

That said, the "get a nice Airbnb and have girls over" scene I might give the nod to Colombia. The Facebook scene in Medellin is crazy and there are other ways to bring back girls also. But the clubs are over priced for what you get and absolutely nothing to touch Scandallo say.

So if you like going to a place to with a relaxed atmosphere to pick a girl and do the deed on-site or nearby def Brazil. If you want to pull girls to your Airbnb either can work but MDE gets the nod for easy and cost effective girls back at your place. IMO. YMMV..[/QUOTE]Since this is the Rio thread, I think when discussing venues it should be recommended that everyone try Termas 4 x 4 and / or Termas Solarium. Termas especially these two are unique and fun experiences with a large volume of girls.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2783412]Since this is the Rio thread, I think when discussing venues it should be recommended that everyone try Termas 4 x 4 and / or Termas Solarium. Termas especially these two are unique and fun experiences with a large volume of girls.[/QUOTE]Going to hit both 4 x4 and Solarium in the next six weeks. And I will def report out and give any other perspective vs Scandalo Casarao etc tho that subject has been visited before.

For on site venues, kissing and BBBS are default in SP and Rio. It is the opposite in Medellin. As far as P4 P is concerned, my experience is that Paisas don't kiss or don't kiss as passionate as Brasileiras. Brasileiras don't hold back. Paisas, including Facebook girls, seem always holding back something. Brasileiras are more consistent, while Paisas are hit or miss. You will have no problem finding this out by reading the Medellin thread. Just search for La Isla which is the top club there, and you will see the common theme is all covered. Or read the review on New Life.

it is as easy for new guys to get laid in Medellin as in Rio. I went to La Isla during my first visit. It is basically point and click. This image is the available working girls of an escort agency. There are 44 standard price girls today. You review the picture, set a time, and wait for the girl to come. It's pretty much guaranteed she would show up on time.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2783471]For on site venues, kissing and BBBS are default in SP and Rio. It is the opposite in Medellin. As far as P4 P is concerned, my experience is that Paisas don't kiss or don't kiss as passionate as Brasileiras. Brasileiras don't hold back. Paisas, including Facebook girls, seem always holding back something. Brasileiras are more consistent, while Paisas are hit or miss. You will have no problem finding this out by reading the Medellin thread. Just search for La Isla which is the top club there, and you will see the common theme is all covered. Or read the review on New Life.

it is as easy for new guys to get laid in Medellin as in Rio. I went to La Isla during my first visit. It is basically point and click. This image is the available working girls of an escort agency. There are 44 standard price girls today. You review the picture, set a time, and wait for the girl to come. It's pretty much guaranteed she would show up on time.[/QUOTE]You actually make a good point. And another reason the Medellin clubs are lame. They push CBJ. Boo. Although Not one of my Facebook girls tried to pull that shit tho the one Vennie I pulled from Parque Lerras (the street not the club) tried to pull that BS and we had to argue till she caved. But yes the clubs push CBJ. On the contrary I am shocked in SP if a girl suggests CBJ. Only had it happen once.

And kissing. Yes Brasileiras seem to love to kiss. It's never something "they have to do" or if it is they sure don't show it. And I will also note that I found the BJs in MDE to be shorter and more perfunctory than SP. With the exception of Andrea S whose BJ is a top five worldwide. She's known there for it and she delivered the goods twice back to back in short order. A goddess on that count but an anomaly.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2783222]Thanks to both Raven Boy 89 and CenTexCrash for their reports on Colombia. I have just wrapped up a 6 week trip in Brazil and will be posting my reports soon, but Colombia vs Brazil was one of nagging questions I had. I had an insanely good time in Brazil, but the Brazil vs Colombia conversation is a very worthwhile one now I suspect given Colombias popularity exploding like it is. I'm not sure if its a good idea, but a separate thread about it would be worthwhile I think? Will leave that to a mod to decide.

.[/QUOTE]Glad I contributed something! I look forward to reading your report. From what I have read here and seen on youtube (those are my only sources) Parque Lleras and El Poblado have a ton young hot girls around you can bang. Safety concerns are a big deal because of drugging. El Centro from what I understand is ok during the day and can find young hot girls there too, again safety being a bit of concern. There are Casa's, massages, clubs etc. When I go to places like this I don't drink, was never much of a drinker. It's one less thing to worry about. Plan is to hunt in the park, bang, and move on.

From I read here is that you can find a lot hot models in Scandallo, termas, etc. Members like Vagabundo have mentioned how there are a lot of 19 why / o hotties around Villa Mimosa, but it is dangerous. I wonder if collecting numbers during the day would be better?? Since I'll be traveling for 8 days (still thinking about time) I want to bang with some younger hotties with an amateur vibe (NOTHING illegal), the termas makes me think the girls are hard pros. Now experienced fucking is also good too. The models I see on some of these sites BaraVip are definitely hot. I need to make my mind to see what I want experience Rio or Med. I do feel getting pro's in Rio would involve less walking as I would just Uber to the establishments.

On a final note, one thing that is echoed not just here but also by guys who visited Brazil on youtube is that the level of service you get from women in Rio is superior than what you can get in Medellin. I have never heard of the reverse. Something I am considering.

[QUOTE=RavenBoy89;2783943]From I read here is that you can find a lot hot models in Scandallo, termas, etc. Members like Vagabundo have mentioned how there are a lot of 19 why / o hotties around Villa Mimosa, but it is dangerous. I wonder if collecting numbers during the day would be better?? Since I'll be traveling for 8 days (still thinking about time) I want to bang with some younger hotties with an amateur vibe (NOTHING illegal), the termas makes me think the girls are hard pros. Now experienced fucking is also good too. The models I see on some of these sites BaraVip are definitely hot. I need to make my mind to see what I want experience Rio or Med. I do feel getting pro's in Rio would involve less walking as I would just Uber to the establishments.

On a final note, one thing that is echoed not just here but also by guys who visited Brazil on youtube is that the level of service you get from women in Rio is superior than what you can get in Medellin. I have never heard of the reverse. Something I am considering.[/QUOTE]Just some advice, don't put Scandallo and Vila Mimosa so close in your thoughts. They are virtually polar opposites on every level. Some guys find what they are looking for at VM. Others despise the environment, the overall drop in talent and don't bother.

A lot of guys here kind of have this low mileage, semi-pro quest in mind. It's hard to find on a short trip. It happens. You could get lucky at a boate (nightclub) and find a girl relatively new to the scene. As far as collecting numbers, you can basically collect numbers anytime at any venue. I always advise discretion in termas, clinicas and prives when collecting numbers.

And yes, the passion of Brazilian working girls is renowned.

[QUOTE=RavenBoy89;2783943]Glad I contributed something! I look forward to reading your report. From what I have read here and seen on youtube (those are my only sources) Parque Lleras and El Poblado have a ton young hot girls around you can bang. Safety concerns are a big deal because of drugging. El Centro from what I understand is ok during the day and can find young hot girls there too, again safety being a bit of concern. There are Casa's, massages, clubs etc. When I go to places like this I don't drink, was never much of a drinker. It's one less thing to worry about. Plan is to hunt in the park, bang, and move on.

From I read here is that you can find a lot hot models in Scandallo, termas, etc. Members like Vagabundo have mentioned how there are a lot of 19 why / o hotties around Villa Mimosa, but it is dangerous. I wonder if collecting numbers during the day would be better?? Since I'll be traveling for 8 days (still thinking about time) I want to bang with some younger hotties with an amateur vibe (NOTHING illegal), the termas makes me think the girls are hard pros. Now experienced fucking is also good too. The models I see on some of these sites BaraVip are definitely hot. I need to make my mind to see what I want experience Rio or Med. I do feel getting pro's in Rio would involve less walking as I would just Uber to the establishments.

On a final note, one thing that is echoed not just here but also by guys who visited Brazil on youtube is that the level of service you get from women in Rio is superior than what you can get in Medellin. I have never heard of the reverse. Something I am considering.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you might be leaning Rio vs Medellin and personally I think that's wise. That said if you are coming to Brazil and the girls are the priority, not the beaches and general ambiance, I think 80% of members would agree SP beats Rio. In fact most of the girls I've met in SP were FROM Rio but don't "work" there. They come to SP because that's where the biggest / best scene is. Of course if you want a more balanced vacation with things to do and see, Rio wins hands down and you wouldn't be disappointed, not having SP to compare it to.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2784000]They come to SP because that's where the biggest / best scene is.[/QUOTE]To borrow bank robber Willie Sutton's famous line "because that's where the money is. " LOL.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2783952]Just some advice, don't put Scandallo and Vila Mimosa so close in your thoughts. They are virtually polar opposites on every level. Some guys find what they are looking for at VM. Others despise the environment, the overall drop in talent and don't bother..[/QUOTE]Very true that they are way different and polar opposites.

However, the most sexy beautiful loving girls I have met in Rio, have been from VM.

Obviously it's a dirty, loud, low end place with plenty of uglies, but when an 18 year beauty comes from the favela to make a little grana, she has no clue of her worth.

I always pass thru on the lookout for a diamond, and I've found plenty.

I speak Portuguese well and good at dando papo (chatting up).
Also I never take them to those nasty rooms there.
I go to one of the nice rooms they do have there (suites) or to a Motel.
Works great for me.

Just spent a day with a girl I met there a month ago.

Absolute beautiful sweetheart.

Scandallo I visit as well, and I understand the draw, cool and elegant ambiance, however, I personally would choose a sexy sweet hot favela girl over a high priced, prima donna type.

That's just me, and I know most will disagree, however, I love it!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2784032]...
Absolute beautiful sweetheart.

Scandallo I visit as well, and I understand the draw, cool and elegant ambiance, however, I personally would choose a sexy sweet hot favela girl over a high priced, prima donna type.

That's just me, and I know most will disagree, however, I love it![/QUOTE]I met one like that at Scandallo. She was innocent looking so I picked her. She taught me to skip the take out fee and we went to a love motel with her luggage in tow. Then I saw her gradually becoming a professional and lost her innocence.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2784032]However, the most sexy beautiful loving girls I have met in Rio, have been from VM. Scandallo I visit as well, and I understand the draw, cool and elegant ambiance, however, I personally would choose a sexy sweet hot favela girl over a high priced, prima donna type.

That's just me, and I know most will disagree, however, I love it![/QUOTE]How many brancas like that (that's mostly what I like) have you met coming out of a favela? Probably not many relatively speaking, making that place not for me!

A couple of hours ago I broke up with my girl (well late last night she broke up with me first; more on that later), so I decided to hit photoacompanhantes. Chick was in Copacabana for 130 reais. I am no dummy. When you look at the closet in the picture it was pretty obvious that it would not be the same girl. So I asked to see what she would say. She claimed it was her and sent one of those disappearing photos of herself in a raggedy ass room in front of an air conditioner. I started to take a picture of it with my tablet but I did not. Then she sent another of the fake pictures.

I told her that it sure does not look like the same person but I was coming anyway. On my walk down I spotted a chick coming from the beach biting her nails. I said Hi young lady. Are you hungry? If she had said yes then I was going to invite her to lunch. She shot me down saying no and ignoring me though. Just so happened she walked into the same building that I was going to. I gave her some space and went in a couple minutes later so she would not think I was stalking her.

When I got to the apartment old girl opened the door and I started laughing. I said you are not the same person in the pictures. Why did you lie? She said well you can leave if you want. I said no. You are still fine as fuck but why did you have to lie. She claimed that she was married.

I asked where she was from and she said Copacabana. She asked where I was from and I said Bahia. I took all my clothes off while she asked me pix or cash. I said cash of course. She said fork it over then. I said I pay after. She said no way. You know the routine. So I reached into my pocket where I had already separated the money.

Things worked out so great that while I was fucking I was thinking I may come back tomorrow for some more of this 130 real pussy. Afterwards I laughed some more and told her that she was sexy and there was really no need to lie.

Last Saturday 1/21 - 12 am got dropped off at mosaico, decided to walk the you at VM first. Entered the you and it was fairly busy. I walked through the you and didn't see much. After a bit I headed back to mosaico got my card, grabbed a drink and chatted with some ladies both inside and out on the terrace. Hung around until 1:30 waiting to get inspired. Couldn't find a suitable GDP so I paid the conta and walked back down to the you. I entered, about halfway down, damn, our eyes locked and I knew this hard bodied favela beauty who just turned 18, was going to give all she's worth and more. Upstairs whole lotta moaning, whimpering and vai amore. So fine, so young, so hot! R75. A cidade maravilhosa.

😀.

Any jazz musicians here now? Brought my alto and flute.

Last Saturday 1/21 - 12 am got dropped off at mosaico, decided to walk the you at VM first. Entered the you and it was fairly busy. I walked through the you and didn't see much. After a bit I headed back to mosaico got my card, grabbed a drink and chatted with some ladies both inside and out on the terrace. Hung around until 1:30 waiting to get inspired. Couldn't find a suitable GDP so I paid the conta and walked back down to the you. I entered, about halfway down, damn, our eyes locked and I knew this hard bodied favela beauty who just turned 18, was going to give all she's worth and more. Upstairs whole lotta moaning, whimpering and vai amore. So fine, so young, so hot! R75. A cidade maravilhosa.

Any jazz musicians here now? Brought my alto and flute.

I was in Brazil for about 6 weeks, of which two weeks was spent in Rio. I have been to Brazil before, but I am a newbie for the most part. I thought the best approach would be to just give my overall thoughts on things as that might provide more value.

Stayed in Copacabana for 14 days, had an AirBNB that was girl friendly. I had two friends with me, so the apartment was quite large. I must say that it was a struggle to find decent accommodation we paid through the nose for the place. Granted end of the year in Rio is a clusterfuck *but there were a few lessons learned. Given my tastes, I am likely to just spend a bit more and stay in Ipanema or Leblon next time. One question I have with regards to AirBNB is how frequently they are guest friendly? In future the preference would be to stay there rather than a hotel, the hotels are not great in Rio given the cost I must say. *.

I went to 4 termas - 4 x4, Solarium, Centaurus and Monte Carlo.

4 x4 was my favorite by far, loved the energy in the place and the selection of girls. Some nights I was doing multiple sessions there. Solarium was a bit more low key, but also very, VERY good. Monte Carlo did not have the same selection of girls I thought, but its close proximity to Copa made it convenient and I enjoyed it. Overall, when I return as a solo traveler next time I am going to spend the bulk of my time hunting in the termas I think, and will sprinkle in some massage therapists and girls from the clinicas.

Centaurus was a nightmare, which is unfortunate because the experience itself ended up being quite good with the girls in the room. Both me and my two friends were mauled when we got in there. There is one thing with the girls being aggressive, but we could not even get a drink in the damn place we were just being bombarded to the point we had to be rude with some of them. I actually suggested we walk, but both of my friends wanted to just stick it out and see how things went. I am assuming this is because they could see a mile away that we were tourists, but Ill never set foot in that place again.

The girls were relentless, and it was not fun at all with endless pressure to go to rooms and attempts to upsell before we even got halfway through a beer. I ended up taking two at once for a threesome, and even then the upselling did not stop. To the point that one of the girls disappears, then comes back to the room with a third girl! I had to threaten to leave before they accepted the no. At the end of the session, that same girl then pushed for a large tip and tried to convince me that I had not paid her yet, after which I said we would settle it downstairs and the bullshit stopped. Beyond that was a push for drugs too, obviously the plan is to get you inebriated and just accept everything they throw at you. I wish I could say that it was just me, both of my friends had similar experiences they said after we met downstairs. We spent all of 2. 5 hours in the club, of which 2 would have been in the rooms. We exited as soon as the sessions were finished rather than deal with anymore bullshit.

Its unfortunate because the threesome ended up being one of the best I ever had. Both of the girls where highly engaged with each other too, so even with the issues I had (and the cost! Not cheap!) the experience was very good. Both were great performers, and the quieter one who was feeling embarrassed by her friends antics I met outside the club on once occasion. She told me that competition is relentless there, and she was likely to go to a different club because it was getting worse with the girls behavior. The experience with her outside the club was very good too.

Pulled a ton of numbers from the boates and worked through a few girls though, as did my friends.

Dolce Vita on one occasion, while fun I preferred the Termas. Cost wise its the same and I just think you have better options at the termas.

We had 4 days in Barra, but got rained out a bit. I really liked Perola Negra, was disappointed that we only got to go once. I liked Barra a lot, however unless you have a car you are going to have to taxi everywhere. I can see why living here instead of Rio would appeal though, and I think once you get rolling in that place and build up a book of working girls and favorites it would be a pretty decent place to spend some time. If I was going to come to Rio for 3 months plus, I would likely choose Barra over Ipanama / Copa / Leblon area I think.

Also used the BarraVIPs site, must say I was surprised that even though the pics are photoshopped, the girls did match their profiles for the most part and I thought the value was reasonable.

Went to RJ Massagem, girls would not fuck on site but I got the number and ended up fucking a lady called Thais off site. She said all the girls should be available to meet outside, the owners were just strict about sex in the shop. Not sure how typical this is in Rio, in Sao Paulo was not the case at all.

No doubt this would have been cheaper if I spoke a bit more porto, was a solo traveler and had a bit more experience. On average though, the cost is not that much higher than Thailand these days all in when you consider the rate of the average barfine at a decent gogo. Sure you can fuck mongrels on Soi 6, but compared to what's at the termas and escorting the thai women are not in the same league not with these exchange rates.

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2784176]

Centaurus was a nightmare, which is unfortunate because the experience itself ended up being quite good with the girls in the room. Both me and my two friends were mauled when we got in there. There is one thing with the girls being aggressive, but we could not even get a drink in the damn place we were just being bombarded to the point we had to be rude with some of them. I actually suggested we walk, but both of my friends wanted to just stick it out and see how things went. I am assuming this is because they could see a mile away that we were tourists, but Ill never set foot in that place again.

The girls were relentless, and it was not fun at all with endless pressure to go to rooms and attempts to upsell before we even got halfway through a beer. I ended up taking two at once for a threesome, and even then the upselling did not stop. To the point that one of the girls disappears, then comes back to the room with a third girl! I had to threaten to leave before they accepted the no. At the end of the session, that same girl then pushed for a large tip and tried to convince me that I had not paid her yet, after which I said we would settle it downstairs and the bullshit stopped. Beyond that was a push for drugs too, obviously the plan is to get you inebriated and just accept everything they throw at you. I wish I could say that it was just me, both of my friends had similar experiences they said after we met downstairs. We spent all of 2. 5 hours in the club, of which 2 would have been in the rooms. We exited as soon as the sessions were finished rather than deal with anymore bullshit.

Its unfortunate because the threesome ended up being one of the best I ever had. Both of the girls where highly engaged with each other too, so even with the issues I had (and the cost! Not cheap!) [/QUOTE]I went to Centaurus last week and a girl came to meet me at my locker when I was changing into my robe. She led me to the bar to get my drink and there must have been 30 ish girls standing around the bar with all eyes on me. I told my "guide" that I'm going to sit and make up my mind while I drink my beer. Another girl came and sat with us and both were trying to convince me to take them upstairs.

I don't speak Portuguese so I just played with them a little bit at the table while I scanned the room. There was only one other guy and lots of girls. Then I saw one girl walk walk by with a group. S.

She just came in for her shift. She had the nicest ass I've seen and beautiful boobs. I told the girls at the table tchau and went straight for the ass. The girl spoke English and was very pleasant. She was the best girl I've had in my week so far. During this vacation I've been to solarium, scandallos, and a few clinicas in Sao Paulo. I took a cute blonde with silicone enhancement from Scadallo but she wasn't any comparison to the girl at Centaurus-22 years old and all natural. You have to take charge at Centaurus as well as Scandallo. I was being approached many times there too. Solarium didn't impress me too much either. My first time there and there were too many guys and not enough girls. No place to sit so I stood by the bar. I took the girl at the bar with a pretty face. She wasn't too bad in the room but the experience wasn't comparable to some of the others I've been with. I'll be back in Rio in a few days. I'll check out 4 x4 and perola Negra when I'm there.

Week in Baseball, Saturday Emporio, Eden Spa.

So, we have this zap (whatsapp) group.

The ISGer I shall give call sign shantaram asked who wants to hit centro prives for the special (90 Reais for half hour). Vagabundo raised his raging boner, kind of slid his dick all over the keyboard, and with his foreskin which is well trained, typed yes.

My Jewish girlfriends like the foreskin for the anal.

So, we met up, and I picked Nani. I got there first because Shantaram zapped something about taking first picks, and being a Vagabundo, having arrived first, I stalked my target like a Leopard II sighting in on a T14 or T90 Russian tank, I pulled the trigger, and a German bratwurst of 21 centimetros and 18 centimeteros around choked Nani, which Jimmy Boy the first Mafia boss allowed to be a Swiss Bank Examiner picked. Oh, what a nice morena. No kids. Nice ass. Nice tits. Good service. We smoked a joint after a good 20 minutes of hiding the bratwurst in her vagina (not her ass because it hurts she says). Nice girl. Good fuck. Good massage. Good service.

Shantaram is like my best friend, as he is very compatable. He hustled me over to Darkroom, rejected the offerings, and thus lead the pussy patrol to the metro, and on to Copa, Eden Spa, where we picked our dance partners. The cost there was 200 reais plus 50 for anal (she says it was 150, but I mis understood her, and I showed her my bombero wallet, which only had a extra 5 reais, and she relented. Man, what nice talent.

So Shantaram fell in love. Hey, it's all good. The transcript of our drone strikes is below.

10:01 AM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: let me know if anyone up for Centro prive tour. I am just about to hit the gym hard.

So I am thinking like 12:30 pm. And then I Am going to head home by 3 pm because I have a birthday party tonight for one of my friends and she bringing her 4 single friends 😀 (they are in their 40's. Barra crew. They can party well into the morning, I want to be in bed by midnight 😁! So don't get ideas they are 21 yr old HB10's 🤣 Amazing people though and so lucky to have their friendship and so caring for me🥰 just that I need to get home in the afternoon and get a good snooze).

10:02 AM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: anyone coming on the prive tour -if the chica is a tall (5'10+) skinny white chick, I get first dibs 🥰128523;.

10:02 AM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: I am.

10:26 AM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: ok let's firm it then. Exit A at uruguaana 12:40 pm. And I am going to head back to Copa as soon as the deed is done. Got too much going on this weekend 😅.

Hitting the gym now, won't be checking messages till 12:10 pm.

10:26 AM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: K.

11:58 AM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: On metro jardim oceanico.

12:29 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: At uruguiana.

12:43 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: At emporio.

12:43 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: Ok.

12:48 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: Doing session.

1:28 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: I am going to darkroom.

1:29 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Meet me at darkroom.

1:29 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: After to Barra classico beach club.

1:37 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Make darkroom your remote office.

1:44 PM, 1/28/2023 : Too dark.

1:44 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Nani was awesome.

1:44 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: ?

1:45 PM, 1/28/2023: For office space.

1:54 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: O contrere monfrere.

1:54 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Next week we go to glorua6.

1:54 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Gloria.

1:54 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: Next week go to Gloria.

1:55 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: It's perfect.

1:55 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: Prive hours are American stock market hours.

1:57 PM, 1/28/2023 : Do you bust a nut while you are taking profits?

1:57 PM, 1/28/2023 : I mean as soon as you tp you bust that nut so double the pleasure double the fun.

1:57 PM, 1/28/2023 : Have the laptop on her back.

2:03 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Vagabundo, head of Mossad Honey Traps LLC, a Texas LLC, and retired Swiss Naval Lieutenant Commander.

2:20 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: 583 302.

2:25 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Luna.

2:26 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: 402.

2:27 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: We are at eden.

2:27 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Luna Eden hot af.

2:28 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Suellen.

2:30 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Walkon 97: at ISG Kyrawz she is smoking hot wow.

2:31 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: Leticia.

2:39 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Kyrawz: YEs but she speak an inudible portuges.

2:39 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Kyrawz: my friend who has a barraca on Ipa, send me photo of some girls I think they are no pros. He will take numers for me next time.

2:41 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: Need real lesbo.

2:55 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Walkon 97: Oh yeah.

2:55 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Walkon 97: I miss🇧127479;.

3:02 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Walkon 97: Suellen is a star.

3:24 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: !

3:24 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Angel took suellen.

3:26 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Walkon 97: she's special.

3:27 PM, 1/28/2023 +1 (201) 772-7645: Try Samanta in sala 302.

3:27 PM, 1/28/2023 +1 (201) 772-7645: Great service 🫡129761;129761;.

3:43 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: Suelen and I got married just now.

3:44 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: Since Ruby has gone to get her tittas done.

3:45 PM, 1/28/2023 +1 (201) 772-7645: Damn so that makes you my son in law.

3:45 PM, 1/28/2023 +1 (201) 772-7645: Suelen is Rubi's daughter who is my ex wife.

3:45 PM, 1/28/2023 +1 (201) 772-7645: What are the chances? 🤷127997;8205;9794;65039;.

4:18 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Trueblue: Fighting fucking football.

5:11 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Vagabundo and shantaram will do a proper tour of barra.

5:42 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Labeling is feminine.

5:42 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Guys don't do that.

5:58 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: 5 categories of men vampire werewolf surgeon pirate billionaire.

5:58 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Capable of taming is standard female fantasy.

6:00 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Takes a sophisticated woman to make distinction between psycho and sheepdog.

6:01 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Women emasculate boys who mistreet women.

6:01 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: Small world! Now I know where she gets her great looks from.

6:01 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Mistreat.

6:01 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Source is Jordan peterson.

6:01 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: I wonder if anyone has taken suellen for toda la noche. She might be quite good company 🫣.

6:01 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: My dad.

6:02 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: ?

6:05 PM, 1/28/2023 +1 (201) 772-7645: God king level 9000.

6:09 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: I'll fall in love again -- Sammy Hagar.

6:10 PM, 1/28/2023 sg Walkon 97: at ISG Shantaram Angel she's great company. Absolute star. Special.

6:11 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: My girl is going to use suellen as a escrava in our BDSM kink fantasy.

6:11 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: going to ballgag her in motel vips for a swing.

6:12 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Marxists believe everything is about power.

6:12 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: She doesn't love you.

6:12 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: But you love her.

6:12 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: She's like the nympho teacher who sucks off all the boys in junior high -- joe rogan.

6:19 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Bloco carnival in barra.

6:20 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Time to look up the blocos.

6:20 PM, 1/28/2023 + Where we at?

6:20 PM, 1/28/2023 +: I'm in Lapa having a beer and watching the cfr game.

6:20 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Get everyone over 5000 USD / year.

6:27 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: Need to challenge Davos crowd.

6:29 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: [URL]https://open.spotify.com/episode/4GJZmmvdh4NFbFqdqp9ovm?si=zQ07R7wSTA6jFEmIK4TtiQ&utm_source=copy-link[/URL].

7:07 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: Yes, I'd be keen to check some out.

8:24 PM, 1/28/2023 : Is this the Suellen you guys are talking about?

8:27 PM, 1/28/2023 guardiao do piscina: [URL]https://www.edenspa.com.br/suellen[/URL].

8:31 PM, 1/28/2023 : Ok yes that's who I figured. She has a gap in her teeth right?

8:32 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: Whaaat?? I need to get a divorce. 😱128561;128561;128549;.

We were planning our next holiday together but now.

8:38 PM, 1/28/2023 ISG Shantaram Angel: The two kids we planned 💔 and a cat and a dog.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2784094]Spidy, you're ruining the vibe here of thongs, bongs and schlongs. Me thinks you cut and' paste in the wrong thread.[/QUOTE]Okay, Sheriff [B]"Quick Draw McGraw"[/B], you win! That was pretty quick on the draw, with your post, Sheriff.

I literally, had deleted it, like two (2) minutes later, when I realized the error. Had your thongs, bongs and schlongs, waited two (2) minutes, all would have been well with the world.

My bad, for the two (2) minute cock-block. Shit does happen!

Carry On!

[b]PS:[/b] As a senior member, you should know better. Did you [i]"really"[/i] have to re-post [b]"the entire report"[/b], just to address this single issue???

[QUOTE=Spidy;2784356]Okay, Sheriff [B]"Quick Draw McGraw"[/B], you win! That was pretty quick on the draw, with your post, Sheriff.

I literally, had deleted it, like two (2) minutes later, when I realized the error. Had your thongs, bongs and schlongs, waited two (2) minutes, all would have been well with the world.

My bad, for the two (2) minute cock-block. Shit does happen!

Carry On!

[b]PS:[/b] As a senior member, you should know better. Did you [i]"really"[/i] have to re-post [b]"the entire report"[/b], just to address this single issue???[/QUOTE]It's all in good fun. Of course, I knew this was an errant post.

Carry on! Back to thongs, bongs and schlongs.

I will buy a tambourine, and more importantly, am glad to go to VM! And Mosaico!

[QUOTE=JazzyDaddy;2784101]Last Saturday 1/21 - 12 am got dropped off at mosaico, decided to walk the you at VM first. Entered the you and it was fairly busy. I walked through the you and didn't see much. After a bit I headed back to mosaico got my card, grabbed a drink and chatted with some ladies both inside and out on the terrace. Hung around until 1:30 waiting to get inspired. Couldn't find a suitable GDP so I paid the conta and walked back down to the you. I entered, about halfway down, damn, our eyes locked and I knew this hard bodied favela beauty who just turned 18, was going to give all she's worth and more. Upstairs whole lotta moaning, whimpering and vai amore. So fine, so young, so hot! R75. A cidade maravilhosa.

😀.

Any jazz musicians here now? Brought my alto and flute.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2784176]Centaurus was a nightmare, which is unfortunate because the experience itself ended up being quite good with the girls in the room. Both me and my two friends were mauled when we got in there. There is one thing with the girls being aggressive, but we could not even get a drink in the damn place we were just being bombarded to the point we had to be rude with some of them. [/QUOTE]Meanwhile, in the Thailand thread, guys are complaining about walking into a bar or gogo and the chicks not paying them any attention.