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[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Don't believe everything you see on TV. For all we know, maybe the husband got rid of her because she forgot to buy his daily bottle of Local Whisky (or shall I say Rhum).[/QUOTE]
It was a definitely a suicide and the story was in the newspapers, including the English-language press.
1Ball
The husband was Thai.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Absolutely true. There's a high incidence of mental illness, general emotional instability, and high levels of immaturity, not to mention shear rage, that run through the whole culture.
Also, Thais lack guts to put up with the smallest set back and fall quickly into despair and desperation at the slightest provocation. Thus, you have incidents like those often seen in the Thai media of somebody or other sitting on a roof-top ready to jump, or someone else having shot or stabbed someone in a jealous rage. The 'knife at the throat' (her throat or your throat) is a an all-to-common ploy. I have a friend who was stabbed twice by his absolutely mad GF, who then attempted to stab herself.
At the moment, we seem to be in suicide season. There have been a spate of them lately. Recently there was a well-publicized case of a girl who jumped off her balcony simply because her Thai BF had another girl. Thais seem to go off over the most insignificant things. Only yesterday, a girl jumped off the top of the science faculty building at my uni simply because her grade had dropped from an A to a B - stupid girl.
Cultural pressures and expectations and the all-to-familiar "face" play a large part in this. But, it's also to do with the Thais just not being a very tough people and just plain gutless. They can't deal with anything.[/QUOTE]
I thought you might have known the same girl I knew.........emotional instability, and a definite lack of emotional maturity.......32 y.o., 2 children, very beautiful, very sexy, but unpredictable. I had flown her up to Chiang Mai for a week with me, because I was beginning to really have strong feelings for her. On about the 4th day, I got up in the middle of the night to go to the hong nam, and I decided to take my phone with me to check my messages, but I didn't want to wake her with the noise from the phone. Now the messages I was checking had to do with my work.....not "other gfs." When I returned, she was packing her bags and wouldn't listen to a word I said. She flew home that day.........end of romance. There were more incidents, but I don't want to make this too long. She definitely fits this profile OTH.
[QUOTE=Oosik1]I thought you might have known the same girl I knew.........emotional instability, and a definite lack of emotional maturity.......32 y.o., 2 children, very beautiful, very sexy, but unpredictable. I had flown her up to Chiang Mai for a week with me, because I was beginning to really have strong feelings for her. On about the 4th day, I got up in the middle of the night to go to the hong nam, and I decided to take my phone with me to check my messages, but I didn't want to wake her with the noise from the phone. Now the messages I was checking had to do with my work.....not "other gfs." When I returned, she was packing her bags and wouldn't listen to a word I said. She flew home that day.........end of romance. There were more incidents, but I don't want to make this too long. She definitely fits this profile OTH.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure she just wasn't looking for any excuse to leave and save face?:)
You could be right, but since she initiated later contacts, I don't think so. We had been to the Night Safari Zoo on a previous visit to CM by her and had a threesome pic taken with a Tiger cub. I give it to her. She told me when she came to CM the second time that she had torn it up, because she called me once and my line was busy, so she tore up the picture accusing me of talking with another woman. How you deal with someone like that? She did me a favor by leaving. There are just too many normal, beautiful, and loving women in Thailand to settle for a nut case.
[QUOTE=Oosik1] How you deal with someone like that? [/QUOTE]
You don't
[QUOTE=Oosik1] There are just too many normal, beautiful, and loving women in Thailand to settle for a nut case.[/QUOTE]
Ain't that the truth. But, you need to get away from the tourist areas.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]....
At the moment, we seem to be in suicide season. There have been a spate of them lately. Recently there was a well-publicized case of a girl who jumped off her balcony simply because her Thai BF had another girl. Thais seem to go off over the most insignificant things. Only yesterday, a girl jumped off the top of the science faculty building at my uni simply because her grade had dropped from an A to a B - stupid girl.
Cultural pressures and expectations and the all-to-familiar "face" play a large part in this. But, it's also to do with the Thais just not being a very tough people and just plain gutless. They can't deal with anything.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to point out that suicide is a big problem all over the world, including the West. USA has a pretty high murder rate compared to other countries. But you probably would be surprised to find out that a lot more people in USA die from suicide than from homicide. Here is an article about it:
[url]http://www.livescience.com/health/070829_bad_suicide.html[/url]
For various reasons, western media doesn't like to report suicides in their own countries. And many westerners have unrealistically rosy perception of their own people in terms of emotional weakness and suicide.
[QUOTE=Aslan]This is what I was talking about in my orig. Post. Who is to say this is the easy way out? How boring it must be to sit at a biergarten for 10 hours a day and wait for someone to take interest in you. Talking to man after man and being shot down many times. How is it the easy way to know you're probably end up with some overweight, unattractive farang that will want to do who knows what sexually to you? How is it easy to fear that they might hurt you physically. How is it easy to fear for your life and a std every time? How easy is it to explain this work to a potential boyfriend and move on? How easy is it to reconcile this line of work spiritually? How is it easy to know you have no marketable skills down the road.
This easy way out perception is, in my mind, the way mongers justify their view of prostitutes and disassociate themselves from any wrong doing. Doing this makes it easier not to think of them as human and to treat them with our own interests in mind. It makes us feel better about ourselves for our activity.
I believe many of the girls may do this a few times and become seduced by possibility. There is possibility of marrying a farang and having a better life. There is a possibility of using this line of work to your advantage financially and changing your future and that of those around you. I believe we are all *****s in a way. We all do things we don't like or agree with for money to a certain extent. There are few people who love their job so much they would be willing to take a pay cut. This is no different that some ambulance chasing lawyer having an ethical or moral problem with what he does and overlooking that for the reward.[/QUOTE]There are many ways 2 look at this. Many on the forum make valid points. I don't see anythng inherently wrong with selling a service (sex) what the girls do/or don't do with the money they make is their business. Some can argue they should use the money and invest in the future, save, make a business, study. In developed countries there exist subcultures of people that don't want to work hard, study, learn a trade as well as sex workers.
All I can say is it seems difficult for anyone with reasonable education/and or intellectual development without formal education to have a significant relationship (romantic) with a high % of the bar girls. Those in entertainment venues hopefully are not trying to find a meaningful relationship there.
Hey, Longshoremen have highly coveted (by some) jobs, make a lot of money, and and don't seem highly interested in intellectual development either.
Highly unlikely many of those girls will become ambulance chasing lawyers, but then again, if they did, the fees would skyrocket.
Live and let live
[QUOTE=Dan7373]I'd like to point out that suicide is a big problem all over the world, including the West. USA has a pretty high murder rate compared to other countries. But you probably would be surprised to find out that a lot more people in USA die from suicide than from homicide. Here is an article about it:
[url]http://www.livescience.com/health/070829_bad_suicide.html[/url]
For various reasons, western media doesn't like to report suicides in their own countries. And many westerners have unrealistically rosy perception of their own people in terms of emotional weakness and suicide.[/QUOTE]
This discussion came up quite recently, and somebody produced a world league table of suicides. Thailand was mid-table.
IMO nearly all suicides are over-reactions. But (as flagged up by OTH) many Thai female suicides seem to be, on the face of it, incredibly silly. I wonder how big a contribution the hugely popular Thai Lakorn (soap operas) make to this type of mentality?
[QUOTE=Oosik1]There are just too many normal, beautiful, and loving women in Thailand to settle for a nut case.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Ain't that the truth. But, you need to get away from the tourist areas.[/QUOTE]
I hate to disagree with you. But, I'd say that the majority of Thai women are mentally and emotionally unbalanced, not to mention incredibly immature.
I've witnessed countless examples over the years from "regular" Thai women, that have convinced me that many, if not most are abnormal in one way or another.
To answer Terry Terrier's question...I think that the situations and behaviour dramatized on Thai Lakorn are both symptomatic of this abnormality and also a huge contributor to it.
On any given night, Thai TV displays overt and wild female (and male) hysteria and histrionics for all to see and emulate. The Thais are not a sophisticated people, especially up-country. They take what they see on TV much more seriously and literally than we do in the West. Thus, it has a huge impact on their belief system and subsequent behaviour. Stomping one's feet, and losing one's cool at the slightest provocation, like a petulant child is ingrained into every Thai woman's psyche.
The great cultural myth here, that Thais like to shove in your face is that they are a calm, serene, happy, smiling, loving people because they're Buddhists, not like us mean, aggressive Farang.
The truth is quite the opposite. They bottle up an incredilbe amount of emotion and anger, which then goes off, often repeatedly, like a rocket at any given moment, with often disastrous results.
Volatile and unstable, like nitro is probably a more accurate description.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I hate to disagree with you. But, I'd say that the majority of Thai women are mentally and emotionally unbalanced, not to mention incredibly immature.
I've witnessed countless examples over the years from "regular" Thai women, that have convinced me that many, if not most are abnormal in one way or another.
To answer Terry Terrier's question...I think that the situations and behaviour dramatized on Thai Lakorn are both symptomatic of this abnormality and also a huge contributor to it.
On any given night, Thai TV displays overt and wild female (and male) hysteria and histrionics for all to see and emulate. The Thais are not a sophisticated people, especially up-country. They take what they see on TV much more seriously and literally than we do in the West. Thus, it has a huge impact on their belief system and subsequent behaviour. Stomping one's feet, and losing one's cool at the slightest provocation, like a petulant child is ingrained into every Thai woman's psyche.
The great cultural myth here, that Thais like to shove in your face is that they are a calm, serene, happy, smiling, loving people because they're Buddhists, not like us mean, aggressive Farang.
The truth is quite the opposite. They bottle up an incredilbe amount of emotion and anger, which then goes off, often repeatedly, like a rocket at any given moment, with often disastrous results.
Volatile and unstable, like nitro is probably a more accurate description.[/QUOTE]
I've seen my share of "head cases" too; but, I have also seen many really decent, what I consider, "normal" Thai women. But, then again, they are more mature, better educated, and usually work with, or are accustomed to, Westerners. Might just be my social circle. I certainly don't consider my wife to be as you describe all Thai wome. I have never met a more calm, understanding and considerate woman in my wife. I know at times she would like to "go off" but we have decided that arguing is not an option. Discussion and compromise is the solution. Maybe my wife is an anomaly, but I’ve seen her friends and most of them seem fairly “normal” to me. So perhaps I’m the one that’s abnormal.
OTH, I strongly suspect that you have seen too much of Thais and Thailand and have a somewhat jaded opinion. I know that I got the same way myself after a few years in Bangkok. It’s enough to make you want to leave and never return. But, once you leave, after a while you start to miss the place as you forget the bad and remember the good.
With all this talking about jumpers... atleast now I know why there are bars on the outside of the apartment balcony where I will stay. Wondered how someone could get up and break in that high up..... I'm not the brightest bulb in the group I will admit that but coming from a banana republic where our tallest building is two stories we don't have jumpers... only knives...
But I must say, you mates have completely depressed the hell out of me. Time to go to Laos instead of LOS ????
[QUOTE=Retired Army]
OTH, I strongly suspect that you have seen too much of Thais and Thailand and have a somewhat jaded opinion. I know that I got the same way myself after a few years in Bangkok. It’s enough to make you want to leave and never return. But, once you leave, after a while you start to miss the place as you forget the bad and remember the good.[/QUOTE]
I did leave once, lived in the Caribbean for a year, hated it and returned to Thailand because I kind of missed it. I have no regrets coming back, as I met my GF and she's relatively normal, and atypically calm like your wife.
But, I really have had enough of Thais and Thailand. Maybe being surrounded by the absolutely disgusting HiSo crowd for the last 3 years has done me in. Fortunately, my GF has had her eyes opened to the world at large and now feels as I do. She often complains about how narrow, small, bigoted and selfish Thais are. And lest someone says she got this from me, I've always been very careful not to express negative opinions about anything Thai to her. So I was surprised when she came to the decision on her own that she doesn't like it here anymore and wants to leave.
But, wanting to leave and being able to leave are 2 different things.
All I know us that it used to be fun here and now it isn't.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I did leave once, lived in the Caribbean for a year, hated it and returned to Thailand because I kind of missed it. [/QUOTE]
OTH..... grass is always greener on the other side... until you jump that fence and land in shit.
I couldn't stand the US mainland nor the Caribbean nor Central America nor South America. Just can't take their crap, don't think things have gotten any better.
well, I am looking ofr a place to hang my hat, and so far have come up empty handed. Suggestions? Warm, good healthcare, value for money, good food, good diving, affordable....
Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=1Ball]well, I am looking ofr a place to hang my hat, and so far have come up empty handed. Suggestions? Warm, good healthcare, value for money, good food, good diving, affordable....
Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
Come to my Banana Republic for the diving part......