American Politics

[QUOTE=Canada;2586849]Most Americans think their is a crises at the border. No other country allows 2,000,000 illegals to come in their country. Especially with a pandemic. Please explain the benefits of letting 2,000,000 illegals into our country. What is the big benefit for USA citizens who live here and pay taxes?

By year end 4,000,000 illegals will be in our country and after 4 years of Biden 16,000,000 or more illegals will be either taking jobs or be on government subsistence.

How does it benefit the poor? The homeless?

Will the socialists here explain this to me because I can't see how it helps the citizens, the poor or the economy.[/QUOTE]Yes, we all know the surge in illegal border crossings began under Trump, that Trump did nothing about it and that it is just one more problem that Biden inherited from Traitor Trump that he will have to fix.

But that particular problem isn't the "crisis!" Repubs would have us believe it is. It isn't even in the same ballpark as Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Economic Disaster, Trump's Massive USA Job Losses, Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession, Trump's Insurrection, Trump's Surge in Violent Crime, etc.

Let's give Uncle Joe a little more time to finish fixing those truly serious problems first and then he can get onto the few issues Trump presided over and left undone that aren't really serious immediate threats to the USA economy and/or national security.

[B]"We saw the increases (of unaccompanied minors at the southern U.S. border) dating back almost a year."[/B]
Stated on March 14, 2021.
[B]MOSTLY TRUE[/B]
[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/17/veronica-escobar/did-increase-children-arriving-border-start-under-/[/URL]

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586888]Here's a quote from the link (originally from 'Time' magazine) that says it all: "Republicans might be embarrassed about January 6th. They may even be frustrated or angry that the riot occurred. But those feelings pale in comparison to their desire to defeat Democrats, and [B]theyre keenly aware that every second spent relitigating January 6th is a second spent highlighting the worst of their party and their movement[/B]. Of course they want to move on, quickly. Of course they're angry at any Republican who wants to investigate."

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/why-republicans-determined-distort-truth-210617113.html[/URL][/QUOTE]There has never been a more nauseating display of utter contempt for Law Enforcement officers and American democracy by elected officials in America than from the former so-called potus Trump and all but perhaps 4 of his fellow Repubs in the House and Senate.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586848]What is the big deal? Government has them every year when he files his taxes. IRS sees them every year. If their was something illegal he would have been audited. This will only give CNN a few months of keeping Trump in the news.[/QUOTE]Dump was being audited in 2016. That was his stated reason for not releasing his taxes, even though the IRS said he could [URL]https://time.com/5571077/donald-trump-tax-returns-arguments/[/URL].

I predict that dump will fight this order. I also predict he'll lose.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586848] ... IRS sees them every year. If their was something illegal he would have been audited. ...[/QUOTE]Yeah, I wish that were the case and the IRS did actually have the wherewithal, to actually "investigate" and prosecute said tax dodgers.

Its common knowledge the IRS, has been gutted, de-toothed and declawed (mostly by Republican lead governments), to the point of ineffectiveness against billionaire tax dodgers and millionaire tax dodgers like Agent Orange.

Let hope they now, actually have the capable manpower to investigate said fraudulent practices and do a proper [B]"financial/tax forensic audit"[/B].

God help us and hope these "forensic" auditors are nothing like the"Cyber Ninja" buffoons in Arizona.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586721]Texas Republican and democrat senators are on the news every day with evidence. They have taken it to Biden several times but he like you ignores it.

Crime and murders are on the news every day. Local news and Fox. CA ex senators mugged. Shootings in DC and Seattle. Several democrat cities trying to hire hundreds of police officers to combat all the crime.

Contact the Chicago police if you don't believe murders are increasing in Chicago.[/QUOTE]One of these days, you'll get it through your head that [B]evidence[/B] is more than saying "people are on the news saying stuff". [B]Evidence[/B] is more than your gut feeling or opinion.

[B]Evidence[/B] is at least providing a link to a reputable news source or a credible body so that we can read that which you use to back up your opinion. For news sources, most people reading this would accept any source inside the "green box" on this website. [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

But, of course, you already knew that.

Today, a top US Border Patrol union official publicly warned that border agents are having to release COVID-positive migrants into the USA "day in, day out" amid the ongoing crisis at the border. He also noted that his Border Patrol agents are worried about their own health.

"Not everyone we encounter we test, only those that exhibit some type of symptoms and not everybody has symptoms that has it," Chris Cabrera, a vice president of the National Border Patrol Council, said this Saturday.

"And we're releasing people out of the door day in and day out with actual positive tests for COVID and more keep popping up," he said.

Cabrera also warned that his sector alone has seen 20,000 apprehensions of migrants at the border, with 2-3,000 every day just in his area and this doesn't take into consideration those who are evading overwhelmed Border Patrol agents.

As a result, Cabrero warned that a number of agents have been quarantined or are sick with the virus themselves.

"We have a lot of agents quarantined right now, which adds to our problem, on top of agents who are sick with COVID, so we're concerned about catching it ourselves, we're concerned about our families and coworkers, and it just seems everyone's turning a blind eye to it when we have a real situation down here," he said.

So, I have a question to ask the Left leaning frequent posters on this forum: is there one honest person among you who can just admit the truth that the US Mexican border is currently a fucking disaster? I am looking for just 1 honest person. It is a simple question: is the border a fucking disaster or isn't it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2586502]You are conflating the 2 issues. I think on purpose because you are obviously not unintelligent nor uneducated.

The open border: 1) the only reason the left wants an open border, insists on an open border, is that the Party Leaders desperately need a massive influx of new votes to achieve the ultimate objective of a nonviolent takeover of the United States of America and the establishment of a one-party socialist state. You know this[/QUOTE]Well, I have no idea who knows this because it's patently false.

Who wants open borders?

Quote anyone on "the left" (whoever it is to you).

What party leaders? Biden and Harris? They're deporting the undocumented full speed, just like Obama did when he was in office.

Can you support your ridiculous declaration with any facts at all?

As for the "nonviolent takeover of the United States of America," that's just shameless.

Your people did that. Not "the left. ".

And after that 'nonviolent' thingy didn't work, you "fought like hell" on Jan 6.

Can't believe the Red Menace and his henchmen haven't been charged yet.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2587066]Well, I have no idea who knows this because it's patently false.

Who wants open borders?

Quote anyone on "the left" (whoever it is to you).

What party leaders? Biden and Harris? They're deporting the undocumented full speed, just like Obama did when he was in office.

Can you support your ridiculous declaration with any facts at all?

As for the "nonviolent takeover of the United States of America," that's just shameless.

Your people did that. Not "the left. ".

And after that 'nonviolent' thingy didn't work, you "fought like hell" on Jan 6.

Can't believe the Red Menace and his henchmen haven't been charged yet.[/QUOTE][B]...almost a year before Biden became president.[/B]

Loony FUX News Channel wingers are stumped for an explanation for how the future President Biden produced a border policy in early 2020 that replaced the Trump policies that were in place when the latest surge began.

Which proves no "Biden policy" caused it, there is no "Biden/Dem Open Borders" policy and never has been one, nothing Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Hunter Biden did or said caused this latest surge, which, as bad as it is, probably pales in comparison to the first historic surge we had under Trump 4 1/2 years ago when he started plotting to steal funding from our military to build his obviously totally useless wall.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2587028]Today, a top US Border Patrol union official publicly warned that border agents are having to release COVID-positive migrants into the USA "day in, day out" amid the ongoing crisis at the border. He also noted that his Border Patrol agents are worried about their own health.

"Not everyone we encounter we test, only those that exhibit some type of symptoms and not everybody has symptoms that has it," Chris Cabrera, a vice president of the National Border Patrol Council, said this Saturday.

"And we're releasing people out of the door day in and day out with actual positive tests for COVID and more keep popping up," he said.

Cabrera also warned that his sector alone has seen 20,000 apprehensions of migrants at the border, with 2-3,000 every day just in his area and this doesn't take into consideration those who are evading overwhelmed Border Patrol agents.

As a result, Cabrero warned that a number of agents have been quarantined or are sick with the virus themselves.[/QUOTE]Yes it is a fucking disaster. Another border patrol agent killed last night. Covid surge in USA and illegals with Covid being released every day.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2586963]One of these days, you'll get it through your head that [B]evidence[/B] is more than saying "people are on the news saying stuff". [B]Evidence[/B] is more than your gut feeling or opinion.

[B]Evidence[/B] is at least providing a link to a reputable news source or a credible body so that we can read that which you use to back up your opinion. For news sources, most people reading this would accept any source inside the "green box" on this website. [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

But, of course, you already knew that.[/QUOTE]Republican and democrats are going to the border and taking evidence to congress and Biden daily. Biden and national media ignore it. Border agents are in quarantine for Covid and illegals with Covid are released into the USA. Crime and drugs are at an all time high. A friend of mine is a supervisor at Ajo, AZ and he hasn't seen it this bad in 32 years. If you want proof talk to border patrol. Nobody can proof something democrats, nation media and google are ignoring.

Biden approval rate on the border is 34%. That means at least 17% I democrats even admit it The head of Border Control on the news yesterday should be proof enough you didn't see it because you watch and believe fake news.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2587120][B]...almost a year before Biden became president.[/B]

Loony FUX News Channel wingers are stumped for an explanation for how the future President Biden produced a border policy in early 2020 that replaced the Trump policies that were in place when the latest surge began.

Which proves no "Biden policy" caused it, there is no "Biden/Dem Open Borders" policy and never has been one, nothing Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or Hunter Biden did or said caused this latest surge, which, as bad as it is, probably pales in comparison to the first historic surge we had under Trump 4 1/2 years ago when he started plotting to steal funding from our military to build his obviously totally useless wall.[/QUOTE]Even liberal news are starting to get worried.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/07/28/its-not-a-border-crisis-anymore-its-border-chaos/amp[/URL]

These are Biden policies killing Americans.

[QUOTE=Canada;2586619]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans. Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid. They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers. You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables. Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do. You made these statements so prove it. I can prove that illegals can't work legally in the USA.[/QUOTE]I have tried twice before to respond to this collection of falsehoods. Perhaps this time I will be successful.

Let's look at each of your statements one-by-one.

[B]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans.[/B] This statement is patently false. [URL]https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/unvaccinated-americans-whiter-more-republican-vaccinated[/URL].

[B]Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid.[/B] So what? Every unmasked, unvaccinated person is equally dangerous, regardless of where they came from. You are implying that unmasked, unvaccinated brown-skinned people are somehow more infectious than unmasked, unvaccinated dump supporters.

[B]They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers.[/B] Whoa, Nellie. You said that they are coming here to take jobs away from Americans. In fact, you said this in March: "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans. " So, were you lying then or are you lying now?

[B]You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables.[/B] This statement is so far off base I almost don't know where to start. But how about here:[URL]https://www.fwd.us/news/immigrant-farmworkers-and-americas-food-production-5-things-to-know/[/URL] Here's a quote from the article: "This is partly because, even when wages and benefits are increased, there are still not enough USA Citizens applying. The current agricultural workforce is also aging, requiring younger workers to replace them. Immigrants have filled these shortfalls in the workforce for decades, but in recent years, fewer immigrants are coming to the USA To work in agriculture, a result of current USA Immigration policy and rising incomes in Mexico. " Then there's this: [URL]http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/fs-migrant_demographics.pdf[/URL] Or this: [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/in-depth/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/11/12/wisconsin-dairy-farms-rely-immigrant-workers-undocumented-laborers/2570288001/[/URL] So again, patently false statements.

[B]Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do.[/B] This is the typical Republican talking point that is, in fact, a lie. There's this: [URL]https://slate.com/business/2007/01/what-are-the-jobs-americans-won-t-do.html[/URL] and this: [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/americans-dont-want-jobs-visa-seasonal-1403512[/URL] And hundreds more articles just like them.

[B]You made these statements so prove it.[/B] Why did you think I was going to let all these falsehoods go by without responding? And, BTW, what I provided to you was [B]actual proof from real sources[/B] not Uncle Billy Bob thought he heard sumtin onna TV.

[QUOTE=Canada;2587210]Even liberal news are starting to get worried.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/07/28/its-not-a-border-crisis-anymore-its-border-chaos/amp[/URL]

These are Biden policies killing Americans.[/QUOTE]The NY Post is now liberal? Bwahahahaha.

Find it for me on the attached link then tell me what it says. [URL]https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intro-to-the-media-bias-chart/?fbclid=IwAR0xgUnmJOI4a109rGg9Q06d8_Aj5LiMw0I4WBWfmf4S2yly_6n8p-HHJAQ[/URL].

The NY Post is about as rightwingnut as Fux "News".

[QUOTE=Canada;2587197]Republican and democrats are going to the border and taking evidence to congress and Biden daily. Biden and national media ignore it. Border agents are in quarantine for Covid and illegals with Covid are released into the USA. Crime and drugs are at an all time high. A friend of mine is a supervisor at Ajo, AZ and he hasn't seen it this bad in 32 years. If you want proof talk to border patrol. Nobody can proof something democrats, nation media and google are ignoring.

Biden approval rate on the border is 34%. That means at least 17% I democrats even admit it The head of Border Control on the news yesterday should be proof enough you didn't see it because you watch and believe fake news.[/QUOTE]You denigrate my post about how you don't provide [B]evidence in the form of actual links to real sources[/B] by posting something that (wait for it) contains only your opinions and no links to any real sources. Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant!

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2587228]I have tried twice before to respond to this collection of falsehoods. Perhaps this time I will be successful.

Let's look at each of your statements one-by-one.

[B]There are as many unvaccinated democrats as Republicans.[/B] This statement is patently false. [URL]https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/unvaccinated-americans-whiter-more-republican-vaccinated[/URL].

[B]Unvaccinated illegals are not wearing masks and several have Covid.[/B] So what? Every unmasked, unvaccinated person is equally dangerous, regardless of where they came from. You are implying that unmasked, unvaccinated brown-skinned people are somehow more infectious than unmasked, unvaccinated dump supporters.



[B]They can't take jobs from Americans because employers can't hire them legally. As per laws by Obama. They will have to be sex workers, join gangs, sell drugs or work for some illegal employers.[/B] Whoa, Nellie. You said that they are coming here to take jobs away from Americans. In fact, you said this in March: "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans. " So, were you lying then or are you lying now?

[B]You claim they are coming to pick vegetables but you have not provided any proof of this. Show me where these 2,000,000 are picking vegetables.[/B] This statement is so far off base I almost don't know where to start. But how about here:[URL]https://www.fwd.us/news/immigrant-farmworkers-and-americas-food-production-5-things-to-know/[/URL] Here's a quote from the article: "This is partly because, even when wages and benefits are increased, there are still not enough USA Citizens applying. The current agricultural workforce is also aging, requiring younger workers to replace them. Immigrants have filled these shortfalls in the workforce for decades, but in recent years, fewer immigrants are coming to the USA To work in agriculture, a result of current USA Immigration policy and rising incomes in Mexico. " Then there's this: [URL]http://www.ncfh.org/uploads/3/8/6/8/38685499/fs-migrant_demographics.pdf[/URL] Or this: [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/in-depth/news/special-reports/dairy-crisis/2019/11/12/wisconsin-dairy-farms-rely-immigrant-workers-undocumented-laborers/2570288001/[/URL] So again, patently false statements.

[B]Show me the jobs they are taking that Americans won't do.[/B] This is the typical Republican talking point that is, in fact, a lie. There's this: [URL]https://slate.com/business/2007/01/what-are-the-jobs-americans-won-t-do.html[/URL] and this: [URL]https://www.newsweek.com/americans-dont-want-jobs-visa-seasonal-1403512[/URL] And hundreds more articles just like them.

[B]You made these statements so prove it.[/B] Why did you think I was going to let all these falsehoods go by without responding? And, BTW, what I provided to you was [B]actual proof from real sources[/B] not Uncle Billy Bob thought he heard sumtin onna TV.[/QUOTE]Proof. Ok since you can prove everything you say here is your chance to prove it.

You prove that illegals can work in USA.

You prove that illegals are picking vegetables since farmers can't get workers.

You prove these 2,000,000 illegals are going to work jobs that Americans won't do.

You prove even one of these illegals has a job today.

NFL teams are having problems getting their teams vaccinated. Some teams have 80% unvaccinated according to NFL. Majority of players are black in NFL. Are you saying all football players are republicans?

I am not saying brown skinned unmasked, unvaccinated are at same risk as unmasked, unvaccinated people of any color but I am saying unchecked and Covid positive illegals should not be allowed to travel to other states. They should be sent back or quarantined. This should not be about republicans or socialists. It just should be stopped. The only benefit of allowing Covid spreaders in from Mexico is for democrats to be able to keep this pandemic going and hope they delay it long enough to get mail in ballots for 2022 and cheat again.