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[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2174774] I asked a waitress to call over a real cute spinner from the jacuzzi side. Here's where things started to go downhill. The waitress said you must buy two drinks for her. I said I already know and that was fine. Then she asked me again. I said in Thai Mai pen rai, which means no problem. Then she went to the stage and spoke to the girl. After that, again with the question about 2 lady drinks. I said again, I understand. [/QUOTE]Indeed a crappy night. Like you said, it happens. Curious. Was the chick dancing at the time or sitting with another customer when you had the dek serve bring her over? Is this predatory demand for 2 drinks a new biz model that is widespread. Or just something the dek serve or this bar recently up? 2 drinks for an introduction or pre-employment interview is bullshit. I think you dodged a bullet with that gal. The guy who paid the barfine probably got fucked over more than fucked. Better that she did a "runner" before you might have paid a barfine. I can envision her getting a phone call about some bullshit emergency that requires her to run off after 10 minutes in a hotel room. Of course, demanding that the gals "pit" their phone isn't a bad idea. It lets them know this isn't your first rodeo and that you are in control.

Oh. "mai pen lai / rai"= nevermind; mai mee bahn hah= no problem.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2175272]Dear All,

Incidentally, I will be traveling BKK for couple of days for business, and wish to go Pataya for couple of nights. I am not a frequent of Pataya, remember just visit there once via Suvarnabhumi airpor via Van. I wonder should I go back to airport to take the Van as before or I can go straight from BKK?

This time I choose to go Pataya than staying all four nights in BKK as I think Bar sou nana & soi cowboy seems to be much highier expenses than in Pataya, but I can't remember of quality varies or worth for going all the way to Pataya just for about 2 or 3 nights?

Hope to hear your valued advises.

Cheers,

MD.[/QUOTE]The easy quick way is to take a cab from the airport or your hotel. I use Nam's Taxi service. You hotel can also set up a taxi or you can get one at the airport. And yes it's going to cost you an extra 900 baht or so. So what, the hassle it eliminates makes this very worthwhile.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2175350]The easy quick way is to take a cab from the airport or your hotel. I use Nam's Taxi service. You hotel can also set up a taxi or you can get one at the airport. And yes it's going to cost you an extra 900 baht or so. So what, the hassle it eliminates makes this very worthwhile.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your valued advise, you are right, hassle it eliminates plus faster to do my mongering activities, worth & why not?

I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas?

I have been a staying BKK In some occasion but mainly focus on Beirgarten ladies since I feel gogo girls in NEP tense to be more of attitude specially I am not a young nice good looking guys than any western man nor Jap guys that known for paying good price that allure these bar girls than anyone of us. Not to initiate any racial dispute but this seems to be planted in the mind of Bar girls specially those young nice looking one at NEP that tense to opted serving Japanese man than other nationality.

Since Pattaya may be due to more high competition, so much wonder if this will make those bar girls there more of non selective as to their counterparts in BKK I. E. NEP or soi cowboy area?

Cheers,

MD.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2175515]I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas?[/QUOTE]I've done both and for a short trip probably not a huge difference and BKK is easier. That said if you've been to BKK and not Pattaya it might be worth it just to see the differences Pattaya totally blows BKK away in terms of Beer Bars and gogo clubs. If you could figure out how to stay a week or two that would be ideal.

[QUOTE=MachoDik;2175515]Thanks for your valued advise, you are right, hassle it eliminates plus faster to do my mongering activities, worth & why not?

I still hoping to received more advises from Thailand veterans over if it worth for me to spend 2-3 nights in Pattaya than BKK, in terms of girls qualities. Economically wise & of coarse attitudes and services rendered from girls between these two areas? I have been a staying BKK In some occasion but mainly focus on Beirgarten ladies since I feel gogo girls in NEP tense to be more of attitude <SNIP> Since Pattaya may be due to more high competition, so much wonder if this will make those bar girls there more of non selective as to their counterparts in BKK I. E. NEP or soi cowboy area? [/QUOTE]MachoD, Your query really belongs in the Pattaya thread. You should post it there so more Pat punters might read it and make some valuable suggestions. In the meantime I willl respond here:

Given your stated non Go Go criteria? My answer to you is absolutely yes. Don't hesitate. You should go to Pattaya for a 3 night weekend! And when you get there be sure to check out Soi 6. Then afterwards just walk around and check out as many various Beer Bar complexes and small bars as you want. They are scattered all over the place like the small beer bars on Soi 7 between Beach Road and 2nd Road and the ones near LK Metro on Soi Diana and adjacent sois between Soi Buakhaow and 2nd Road, and of course the Simon Beer bar complex on Walking Street. I think you will find exactly what you are looking for times several 1000 in many of the 100's and 100's of small places all stocked with friendly, available girls just waiting to make your acquaintance if you so desire. LOL. I think you will have a great time!

[QUOTE=SamSanuk;2175334]

Oh. "mai pen lai / rai"= nevermind; mai mee bahn hah= no problem.[/QUOTE]As a literal translation, you are correct. However, what WE usually mean when we say "no problem" to each other in English is more often than not very close to what we hope Thais will take for what we mean to convey with their term for "nevermind".

[URL]http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/never%20mind[/URL]

[QUOTE]Synonyms for never mind:
interj: forget it

don't bother
don't concern yourself
drop it
ignore it
it doesn't matter
it's all right
stop
let it go
nothing[/QUOTE]Whereas what we might convey literally when we say "no problem" rarely really fits the situation as well as saying "nevermind" in Thai, "mai pen lai/rai", does.

[URL]http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/no%20problem?s=t[/URL]

[QUOTE]Synonyms for no problem:
adj: effortless

a breeze
child's play
duck soup
easy
easy as ABC
easy as pie
no problem
no sweat
painless
piece of cake
uncomplicated
simple
snap[/QUOTE]

The trick is to get what we hope the term "no problem" means in our heads colloquially into the mind of a Thai speaker even as we have over time bent the meaning of "no problem" to sort of mean a softer, less rude version of "nevermind" in actual use. Consequently, IMO, "mai pen lai/rai" is the much better fit for what we very likely mean when we say "no problem" in English.

I think if we promoted the idea that all this "mai pen rai" stuff going on all over Thailand actually meant what we usually think of when someone says "nevermind" to us, it would seem a lot more rude than it actually sounds to Thai people. And that is where I believe saying it means "no problem" (as that term sounds to our ears these days) rather than "nevermind" (as THAT term tends to sound to our ears these days) is a closer fit for explaining it in more common usage.

I'm back in Thailand for the first time in about 5 years, and I'm struck by the differences between the present and the country I remember over multiple visits covering maybe 25 years. I decided on the spur of the moment—literally on the way to town from the airport—to stay at Nana Hotel, mostly because I'the never done so. It's a sort of wonderfully seedy place and for a couple of nights, it's interesting and I'm not sorry I selected it.

I arrived at Nana Plaza about midnight last night, and was disappointed not only with the quality, which was way below what I had remembered, but by the general aggressiveness of the bar managers. Granted, many if not most of the stunners may have been spoken for earlier, but for the most part, those I saw were a waste of time for me. I finally wound up in a bar on the opposite side of the second floor from Twisters. It was a smaller, friendlier place but again, the endless hustling for drinks was somewhat unpleasant, and I got sick of fending off the attempts. Then too, the girls were so businesslike that the whole experience was less than enticing. I doubt that I'll return, as in my judgment, compared to the Philippines experience, the place just leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely try Cowboy tonight, but have no elevated expectations, and anticipate that it will prove to be more of same.

I worked in Bangkok years ago, and have been back to the country many times during the intervening years, but I think the place has about run its course for me.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2175559] <SNIP>
I worked in Bangkok years ago, and have been back to the country many times during the intervening years, but I think the place has about run its course for me. [/QUOTE]Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.

Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.

Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.

JMHO of course.

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Anyone have suggestions for similar web pages here in Thailand?

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2175594]Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.

Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.

Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.

JMHO of course.[/QUOTE]Good points and I agree. And for those who might feel "who cares?" how interesting and exciting the city is if the usual mongering destinations are not what they used to be, all I can say is it provides so many more pleasant and fun experiences I can share with my dating site girls, regular shop girls and freelancers who, by far, have been providing me with better sex with younger, prettier girls than I ever experienced in Bangkok before, even 20-25 years ago when I was cruising the bars and clubs for the best that scene could offer.

I still do the Nana Plaza and Soi Coyboy scene at least once a week and really enjoy it. But if all of those places disappeared overnight, I doubt I would experience a moment's glitch in the steady stream of hot, young pussy and blowjobs I have been enjoying in THIS Bangkok era. I would probably shed a tear if all of the BJ Bars disappeared. But that is mostly because I just like knowing they are around, since I rarely go to them anymore because I find the BJs I can get from regular, non P4P Thai girls to be superior in almost every way.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2175559]
I arrived at Nana Plaza about midnight last night, and was disappointed not only with the quality, which was way below what I had remembered, but by the general aggressiveness of the bar managers. Granted, many if not most of the stunners may have been spoken for earlier, but for the most part, those I saw were a waste of time for me. I finally wound up in a bar on the opposite side of the second floor from Twisters. It was a smaller, friendlier place but again, the endless hustling for drinks was somewhat unpleasant, and I got sick of fending off the attempts. Then too, the girls were so businesslike that the whole experience was less than enticing. I doubt that I'll return, as in my judgment, compared to the Philippines experience, the place just leaves a lot to be desired. I'll likely try Cowboy tonight, but have no elevated expectations, and anticipate that it will prove to be more of same.
GE.[/QUOTE]I'm always interested to read about the hustling of drinks in many reports and why this is happening. This is perhaps my 6th visit in about two years BKK and I can't remember that I have been annoyed by it. Perhaps once in BKK Bunnies which was during my first time. I have been there yesterday as well, both Soi Cowboy and Nana. (Not that I want to discourage you but Soi Cowboy was worse than Nana according to me during the time of my presence which was between 9. 30 and max 11.00 pm).

Usually I step into a bar and have a look for about 20 seconds. If the vibe is alright I will sit down and order my drink. One drink gives me about 20 minutes or more to decide whether I will have another one or not. It gives me the time to have seen two shifts of girls dancing on stage. I believe that 20 or 30 minutes max for a drink is reasonable.

At the end of the day they're running a business and sometimes it's funny to see people sitting with their drink for a very long time and I can understand that the waitresses or mamasans hassle those customers especially when they're having a full house. I don't want to give the impression to GoodEnough that you're one of those people. I usually completely ignore the waitresses or mamasans and keep my eyes on the stage. Same goes when I walk into a bar and stand there for a while. I don[t bother waitresses trying to pull me somewhere and have a seat. I never had a problem with it. Whenever a waitress as me for a drink I politely say no if there's still left in my bottle and they move on. Same goes for those WG's who come and sit next to you and try to start having a conversation. I'll always reply when they ask me something but I'll make it clear that there's no chance that I'm interested in them buying a LD. I wish them good luck with the hunt while I keep my eyes on the stage. They might stay there and sit for a while which doesn't bother me. Perhaps my body language makes it clear for them that I don't have the "potential" to make more money out of me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2175536]The trick is to get what we hope the term "no problem" means in our heads colloquially into the mind of a Thai speaker even as we have over time bent the meaning of "no problem" to sort of mean a softer, less rude version of "nevermind" in actual use. Consequently, IMO, "mai pen lai/rai" is the much better fit for what we very likely mean when we say "no problem" in English.[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying and you are not incorrect. I've been "guilty" of using both terms somewhat interchangeably over the years and never encountered misunderstandings. I think "mai pen rai" is more BKKish while "mai pen lai" is more Issan. Those lazy northeasterners. LOL Maybe that is why my Issan "acquaintances use "mai pen lai" over "mai mee bahn hah" when "no problem" is what they mean. Just Issan language "economics". A Cheap Charlie way of expressing themselves. LOL.

Arrived in BKK yesterday and wanted to have a good start so went to Snow white and chose Candy. You can find a very short report about Candy in the right thread. I was a bit concerned about the latest reviews regarding Soi Cowboy and started very early going over there from Mermaid Hotel. Perhaps a bit too early as the place was perhaps waiting to get loaded. I thought to go and have a quick bite due to the lack of people (went for some slices of pizza in Pala Pizza Romana. If you want to eat fast and good I don't think you can go wrong with this place. Third time I'm eating there and never got disapointed) . It might have been a mistake though not to go into any bar. I passed both Crazy House and Shark without popping my head in at around 8. 30 pm. I guess that we all live and learn.

After the pizza I went directly to Shark Bar. Even though the first shift of ladies weren't that good looking I thought I would give it a try because Shark Bar didn't disappoint me in the past having at least 1 or 2 lookers that I would be interested in but not this time. If they would have put a gun against my head and choose one I would have go for 22. She's there for a while, brown hair in a ponytail, rather short and good body but fake tits and face doesn't appeal to me. Ass is alright. She was taken by another punter eventually just before I left Shark after 1 drink and started to wander on Soi Cowboy. After going up and down SC I walked into Dollhouse where the girls seemingly had some good fun on stage. The quality of girls was definitely better than in Sharks with for me number 34 standing out of the pack. Petite and well proportioned, perhaps small tits but all difficult to see with that kind of shirt on. Nicely dressed though with a hotpants light colored jeans but who cares but me I guess. Din't proceeded to get her over for a chat and LD. Somehow she gave the impression that it's one of those who thinks that her farts smell like roses. I also noticed that she was taken by another guy for a LD and perhaps she only stayed there for not more than 5 minutes. Not sure what to think about that. I might give her a try another time if she's still around. Also here I only spend 1 drink and left.

As I didn't wanted to spend more time I went to Nana and went straight into Butterflies as I have read some good reports. I have to say that it was already about 11.15 pm so yeah, not the best time to expect much. There was one that caught my eye from the girls that were still available. Forgot the exact name, perhaps Phon or Fon. Her number was 238 even though I was thinking for a while that she was number 3. The two other numbers were faded away a bit. A petite girl who had quite some fun on stage. Nice ass and legs but no tits. Face was ok. Reminded me a slight bit of #4 in Crazy House named Jane but only a slight bit. I choose her to have a drink with me but then realized that she barely spoke English which was a big shame. I'm quite picky or perhaps I was getting hopeless so as it was late I wanted to take my chances with her, however. Due to the fact that the English vocabulary was as good as non existing I just let it go. Not that much else to be said from the conversation. From Isaan (duh!) and only working in Butterflies for about 2 months she said. So far the conversation.

Headed to Billboard and even though the tenderloin was already taken BB never disappointed me until today. Always a good vibe and energy, good music for my taste and girls are having fun. I always seem to be lucky with the spot I usually want to sit even though it's packed. Spot gives me the chance to watch both Jacuzzi and carousel without having to turn around even though I like the Jacuzzi girls the most. But as I have mentioned, the lookers weren't there anymore (at least I hope that they still have some lookers!) and left after a drink. I have popped my head into some other venues such as Rainbow 4, Twisters and some other places not worth mentioning but due to the lack of decent looking girls or not great ambience I decided to call it a night.

On my way home passed by Crazy House just to have a look inside but as it was already 1. 30 am you can imagine that there wasn't that much to look at anymore. Better luck perhaps today.

[QUOTE=RedKilt;2175594]Your comments seem to be purely from a monger's prespective GE as evidenced by your reference to Nana and Cowboy only.

Like you, I have been working and visiting Bkk (and Thailand in general) since 1984 and I am always excited to return there from my home in Manila.

Unlike you, I find Bkk exhilarating these days even when one takes away the mongering aspect. There are so many things to do and see, great food experiences, and the efficient train system (underground and above) makes it effortless to get around. Bkk is my first thought whenever I contemplate 3 or 4 days away from the Phils.

JMHO of course.[/QUOTE]My comments were from a strictly mongering perspective. I don't disagree about the vitality of the city or its great restaurants and cultural interests. But I've been here many, many times and I've taken a lot of advantage of those qualities through the years. I think it's time to try someplace new. But again, this is just a personal predeliction.

GE.

[QUOTE=Hiete;2175645] I thought to go and have a quick bite due to the lack of people (went for some slices of pizza in Pala Pizza Romana. If you want to eat fast and good I don't think you can go wrong with this place. Third time I'm eating there and never got disapointed).[/QUOTE]Agree, La Pala have great pizza slices, expensive yes, but the ingredients are very good and original.